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Move over, Xenu: Scientology’s other great space opera figure, the Duke of Chug

[The Duke of Chug, maybe]

There are so many avenues you can go down when you fall into Scientology’s rabbit hole. Today we’re going to touch on a period we really haven’t gone into with much rigor: The early 1980s, and Scientology’s ideas about computerization.

If you know Scientology’s early history, you know that much of what lies behind “Dianetics” was Hubbard’s superficial understanding of computers at the time, the late 1940s. He had read about “memory banks” and data input and imagined that the human mind worked much the same way.

Despite that early interest in computers, Scientology remained famously old fashioned in many ways, valuing paper records over digital ones. Even telephones, Hubbard said, were “psychotic” and should be avoided. But by the early 1980s, it was pretty plain how useful computers really were, and Hubbard finally decided that Scientology should begin catching up.

But naturally, Hubbard got very creative about it. According to a couple of former Scientologists who were familiar with Hubbard’s “advices” at the time, Hubbard laid out a vision for a computer system that he wanted to be so sophisticated and comprehensive, it could run Scientology itself. And here’s the best part: Hubbard claimed that he got the idea from something that had happened millions of years ago in another part of the galaxy.

Such a computer system had existed on a planet named Chug. Jeffrey Augustine describes what happened next in Hubbard’s tale:

Hubbard said that the Duke of Chug was a secret criminal with hidden evil purposes. The Duke had raised income taxes to obscene levels. But even with higher taxes, societal conditions were getting worse and not better. The planet was on the verge of a massive and bloody revolution. But then the computer system, impervious as it was to weak-headed human emotions, performed a dispassionate analysis and discovered that the Duke of Chug was embezzling gigantic sums of tax money. Acting with speed, precision, and ruthless ethics, the computer system ordered the Duke of Chug executed. Peace, harmony, and financial sanity returned and the planet was saved from ruin. L. Ron Hubbard wanted this same type of ruthless computer management system for the Church of Scientology. This computer system would not be influenced by any “human emotion or reaction” as Hubbard called it. In his “Chug Advices,” Hubbard ordered Scientology’s computer unit INCOMM (International Network of Computer Management) to devise such a system.

So, given that background, we have a couple of treats for you today. First, Karen de la Carriere explains the significance of the Chug Advices in a new video, and then we have a great 1985 brochure from INCOMM explaining how the computerization of Scientology was going to boom expansion! Ah, such heady times.

 

 

Scientology INCOMM 1985 Newsletter by Tony Ortega on Scribd

 
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More safe pointing in Los Angeles

Emily Jones, daughter to Phil and Willie Jones of billboard fame, and her husband John Goodwin make the scene as reps for Scientology’s fiction pubs wing, Galaxy Press. Emily’s caption: “Here we are with LA City Councilmember Mitch O’Farrell at the State [of] Hollywood luncheon today. He gave us a very nice mention about what we have done with the Hollywood Christmas Parade.”

 

 
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Chris Shelton talks to Nora Crest

Says Chris: “I’ve been having some informal chats about Scientology and the Sea Org and our mutual experiences with former Scientologist friends of mine and this is another of those. Nora is great because there’s never a dull moment in talking to her. We discuss the Sea Org, the two worlds of Big Blue and Celebrity Centre, the RFP and celebrities in Scientology. Enjoy.”

 

 
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  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The Empire of the evil CHUG with their taxes going up up up reminds me very much of $cientology’s greed and $cientology’s incessant regging.

  • nottrue

    Emily looks great.. She is Glowing ….. EDIT

    • Observer

      Is it wrong if I hope not due to the additional pain it would cause the Joneses, and for the child’s own sake? Nobody should have to be born in Scientology.

      • Jimmy3

        I glow too but it’s mostly because I sleep under a transformer box
        I call it my super power bucket

    • Jimmy3

      Up vote for “looks great”!

    • Emily knows how to put forth a happy and glowing front when being photographed or on film, but I know people who have seen her fairly recently and when she is off guard. They have noticed a less happy, tired, and more cowed looking. I know that people can’t look happy all the time but she was seen to be a bit on the other side of scale. It makes me sad to think she’s trapped in this situation, doesn’t realize it, and that we essentially put her there.

      • flyonthewall

        I was gonna write you something reassuring and inspiring but nobody says it better than catfish cooley. Stay strong Phil

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-APEeR_xsA

        • Wise words from catfish. Can we call him chug?

      • Newiga

        You have such a beautiful daughter, Phil. I hope you’ll get her back soon.

        Call your dad, Emily!

      • ExCult.Jan

        Phil, you and Willie did NOT put her in an unhappy trapped situation! You have both been calling out to her with loving open arms! The Cult of Scientology is the ONLY reason she would be ‘less happy, tired, and more cowed looking’.

  • Give a bad workman good tools, and he’ll still turn out rubbish. I realise that INCOMM newsletter was produced in the prehistory of desktop publishing, but even so… (remember to not press ctrl+shift+b quite so often): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ebe8d099dbd9d1792e91acef16ec0a5eb1bb79c99cef978a57387547d8e0cb81.jpg

    • Rasha

      You should totally do a spoof of this…… oh…. wait, what?

      • Snortle! 🙂

    • ReallyMGM

      I had to look closer after your comment. Aldus introduced Pagemaker (for Mac) in 85 which is the same time this newsletter was published. I wonder if they actually were using it?

      I worked with Pagemaker 4 and 5 (on a Mac Classic with a 7″ screen..maybe less). The screen froze constantly, the computer crashed, so I was constantly saving my work every 30 seconds. What I would have given for a 27″ screen like I have now and do side by side pages at once.

      RED INK!!!!

      • Looking at the original, I think it’s a mixture of DTP for the typesetting with paste-up for the rest. The early versions of Pagemaker could be a real pain for adding anything but low-res graphics, and using non-US page-sizes — so people used the flexible Postscript fonts most, and other parts of the software rather less.

        Red ink? Surely you mean offset plate correction-fluid? 😉

        • ReallyMGM

          I thought abought ragging on whoever did it but then I thought about my own first efforts (pretty rough), and whether they had ANY help at all. I wonder if they just had the software box thrown at then and told, “Hey you! DO this!”
          I take for granted I had college professors with style books drilling rules, quizzing, and grading my work all the time. I shudder to think what Dr. Terry would have said about this (he critiqued out each project in sessions.) Good old days!

          • Well, everyone has to start somewhere, and we all have our youthful follies embarrassing to recall — I still have some cringe-worthy DTP relics stashed away. But they wouldn’t have had any help: just the false confidence of being the “only ones who can help” and precious little time to learn on the hoof, either. “Hey you! DO this” sounds all too accurate, and I bet those who least wanted to do it were “hatted” for the job, judging by what Nora says in Chris’s video.

            What used to irk me was how expensively-produced Scientology publications were, despite their amateurishness: they plainly had all the latest equipment like Selectrics and compact offset-litho machines, while the stuff was usually printed on really good stock, which made the mistakes and typos (and bad inking) stand out more starkly.

            • ReallyMGM

              I bet your beginning didn’t start with “This is the switch to turn on the computer.” LOL
              No kidding. I was that damn bad in my first intro DTP class. I stayed hours after class each day to play catch up with the “children” in the class.
              It got better. Much, much better.

            • I use Serif—mostly Pageplus, together with Photoplus. Been beta-testing their new Affinity range, and it’s excellent: can’t wait to try the pre-release Affinity Publisher, which should be out any day now. I’d have nothing to do with Adobe’s cloud stuff if I were you: everything’s online, you won’t even own the program, and you risk losing access to your saved work (only available online in a proprietary format) if you don’t keep up the subscription.

              I started out back in paste-up days while still at school, with my more egregious tyro mistakes being tactfully smoothed out by the printers, who specialised in producing school mags. It was a case of “this is the switch to turn on the computer” with DTP: Pagemaker on an Amstrad 1512 PC producing posters and bulletins for a training-agency, later granted limited access to the firm’s one-and-only Apple Mac. Frustrated over competing with personnel and accounts for the Mac, I sent myself off on a course at the local college’s (excellent) graphics department for Quark Xpress & Photoshop, after which things indeed got better: I was easily able to transfer the skills acquired there to Pagestream on my Amiga at home.

            • ReallyMGM

              Sounds like our beginnings were VERY similar!

            • ReallyMGM

              I did a trial of Affinity Photo and bought it and Designer. I am going to limp along with Pages and iStudio until Serif comes out with a page design program. I don’t think Pageplus and Photoplus are Mac products unless you use Bootcamp (and I have never used it).
              I have been skeptical about the Adobe Cloud service even though a good friend swears by it. He is just using it for Photoshop and Lightroom.
              When I started we were using those tiny box Macs and Pagemaker 4/5 to produce a 20+ page tabloid newspaper nightly. We started gathering everything at about 6 pm, and I would get bits and pieces to work with all night. Stories were constantly being changed and photos added. I would do it all on the computer, but would have to print and paste up in this primitive way. Everything had to be ready by 1 am for the courier to take it to our printer (in another state, no less). It would be back by 6 am, looking like a real newspaper despite the way we had to do it.
              Then Scripps Howard funded a better system for us with a new Mac lab, new computers in the newsroom, a program for an inner city newspaper for high school students. I actually had a screen that I could do facing pages and get my work done in 2 hours vs. 6. Of course, then they made me switch to Quark. I picked it up pretty fast even though the key commands make no sense whatsoever.

            • ReallyMGM

              I was what is called a “non-traditional” student. All that actually meant was I was not the typical 18-22 year old. However my age was not unique at the urban university I attended (although it was in the department), and no one treated me different. Because of my work ethic (and sense of humor) we got along fine.

            • ReallyMGM

              Btw, Mark. What Shoop software do you use? I am debating the Creative Cloud. Whether to do the entire year subscription for all of it. (Yikes) or just the Photo stuff, or just InDesign. I also saw a software package by Serif Software that looks very nice. I played a bit with it during the trial and liked it. Any opinions?

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    Thankyou so much for covering this angle of Scientology, their computerization department.

    The INCOMM policy letter is the polite public summary of Hubbard’s 1982 “Chug Advices”, the private despatch traffic where the Chug story is first laid out by Hubbard to Foster Tompkins. Foster today works in the ILO’s Dissem and manufacturing building, he works the high tech computerized routing equipment, Bruce Plotz knows what Foster’s line of Sea Org work today is and Bruce can detail the computerized equipment Foster runs.

    But I lived the history, I was Int Training Org which in 1982 was a Clearwater, and the early personnel who were ITO staff then transferred and became most of the top INCOMM first executives, minus Foster. But Barbara Tompkins was the CO ITO, then she transferred to INCOMM. Jorae Tibbits was a top course supervisor or division head in ITO and she went to INCOMM. Noomi and Chuck Prenner (both extremely smart NYC people, Chuck got his PhD from Harvard LOL) really smart people, went into INCOMM. John Burns, in the tech department ITO went into INCOMM, and another person I forget, sorry, so many people formed the initial INCOMM. (Talking of these “large evolutions” “large projects”, I so fucking wish that old Human Resources Sea Org personnel and god dammit, Paul Grady just needs to be interviewed for days and day, he RAN the goddamned mission that set up these 1980s large projects, or someone else in RTC “ran” these build up projects that set UP CST, set up INCOMM, set up the various units like even RTC, the 1980s rebuild era of upper units is just a vast sub subject of personnel and so many of the leaks over the decades have been from the thousands of stories of those who were parts of these rebuild and inititial building of these final top units of Scientology, al vast history of details the movement does NOT keep themselves about their history, so again it is up to ex members to PLEASE tell what they remember.)

    Foster Tompkin’s despatch conversations with Hubbard which drew out the long long Chug story, pages, like all total about 20 pages of Chug stories, from Hubbard, form the basis for the logic for what the INCOMM computer system is to become. They are still at the complex today, working, on the INCOMM Hubbard strategies, trying to attain full computerization. I’m two decades out of touch, but I know the INCOMM traffic, the Chug advices traffic really well, and I cannot think they cannot be still and always trying to attain Hubbard’s INCOMM/Chug strategies.

    The computer is supposed to “do work.” All on its own, all automatically. That is the core core principle. Basically turn the computer on, and it then autopilot self maintains and runs a whole organization, personnel/finance/program-running-by-statistics-and-by-policy-principles, all self automatically. Hubbard said that ancient computer successful systems were self running automationally for millions of years at a go. The longevity of the OLD millions of years ago system out in the far reaches of the universe in either our galaxy or another galaxy, that old computer system was so successful it ran for millions of years once it was perfected.

    In 1987 or 1988 or 1988 or 1990, I read and “word cleared” the two BIG binders of INCOMM full traffic. The binders of the Chug Advices that I read, were put together by Bernadette forget her last name, she was the old Flag Banking Officer for majority of the early years of INCOMM in the 1980s, she had an ethics penance project and her penance was putting together the really excellent full date sequence layout of ALL of Hubbard’s private computerization “advices/despatches” and those two binders I think anyone in INCOMM in the know in the late 1980s will recall that two binder set. What was unique, and what is important for really top experts of Scientology “scriptures” talk, is that the binders ALSO contained Foster Tompkin’s despatches TO Hubbard! Usuaually in all my 27 years of the movement, it was only in the 1980s when the traffic from the person TO Hubbard was included in the binders that contained the private advices/despatches of Hubbards, so the reader, the “exec” or person in that unit who was studying the raw typed manuscript Hubbard writings would also see what was said TO Hubbard. Foster’s despatches were in the binders, and that was totally important to see what Hubbarfd was responding TO Foster’s answers to Hubbard.

    Anyways, I could talk for hours, if one wishes, and extremely importantly like Marty Rathbun commented (and Marty’s comments and Mike Rinder’s comments, and Dan Koon’s comments, and Brue Plotz’s comments, anyone who has had some dealing with raw Hubbard advices traffic, anyone who saw the old Ron’s Traffic Liaison (RTL) filing cabinets, or saw old Bill Funnel’s filing cabinets in the old Watchdog Committee Files room of old Del Sol at the Int Base) the point is Hubbard’s RAW writings have gone through just constant varying types of upkeep.

    The upkeep with the raw Hubbard traffic can be just shredded with aplomb. So that is just so important, in my view, for those that SAW the Hubbard traffic, in whatever form, in their own filing cabinets they inherited when they newly took jobs at the Int Base and looked into the filing cabinets they were. (I at ASI, when upkeeping the computer raw texts of the Hubbard ASI traffic, was ordered, by Norman on order from Miscavige, to lose some of the ASI traffic that related to legal points, things I knew nothing of, but I complied and erased some Hubbard text ASI traffic OFF of the computer system; with the exception of the Hubbard traffic that we designated the COB ASI traffic, I could not rationalize erasing that, so I hid two full copies on the old INCOMM computers I oversaw when I was the computer guy at ASI, 1992-1995, since even if Miscavige ordered that traffic to be erased, it was theoretically and per orthordoxy, technically per Hubbard’s own theoretical rules, it was wrong. ) Marty commented that anyways, it’s likely been erased no matter what. I would always defer to opinions of those even more in the know on Miscavige, and I was completely NOT “on COB’s lines” so I was just out of the loop on what Miscavige could order removed.

    Now, this all said, important for experts who someday wish to see the most complete set of Hubbard’s FULL writings, then CST, the mother site, where Shelly is unquestionably in my mind today, that is where the most total full Hubbard originals and the copies of the originals, would be. Or if I were them, I’d hide copies at all their other sites, on USB drives, I mean there will likely have been some INCOMM personnel, who did the fullest most complete copies of everything, and people like Paul Wilmshurst (he is the INCOMM guy from Dennis Erlich’s raid, I knew Paul when I was there at INCOMM, I’ve been in touch with some of his family who wished news on Paul’s life today), Paul or Pat Buglewicz would know of any possible most complete versions of ALL of Hubbard’s writings put into computer format would be.

    But that’s kind of territory of those that worked directly for Miscavige at those moments that Miscavige ordered things to do with the tiniest details of Hubbard’s original writings/advices.

    Anyways, back to INCOMM and Chug, those Chug stuff are WAY WAY known, hundreds of INCOMM and ex INCOMM staffers will have read the Chug stuff, and there is absolutely strong corroboration of the full Chug traffic, and for absolutely sure, for the main point of the importance of Chug, yes, all the top INCOMM personnel over the decades have all read the two or three large “Chug Advices” and many will have read Foster Tompkins’ answers back and forth with Hubbard. I have written glowingly how the INCOMM/Chug traffic seemed so unique, in terms of Hubbard’s just excited glowing comments and enthusiasm that is evident in the Chug advices compared to other 1982 era advices traffic. LRH really was super hopeful and gave one of Hubbard’s all time important pats on the head, to Foster and to Carol Titus. They both recieved a “Brilliant” acknowledgement from Hubbard, and Paul Grady can absolutely remember the “Brilliant” acknowledgement Foster and Carol got!

    Usually Hubbard’s pats on the head were listed as “Highly Commended”, “Commened” “Very Good” “Good”.

    “Brilliant” was just kind of almost getting a “Kha Khan” pat on the head from Hubbard.

    Also in the INCOMM/Chug advices is the “fire truck” advice, where Hubbard in stressing how important it was to FINANCE INCOMM was the “fire truck” advice, which just gives INCOMM all time, forever the heaviest supportive pie of money carte blanche authorization to finance whatever INCOMM needed to set up this millions years ago model computer system.

    A book ought be written, but then, like academic Doug Cowan years ago said in general, and like Lawrence Wright said many times in his book and in interviews, the Scientology movement does NOT let smart outsiders read Hubbard’s private writings, like the Chug writings.

    One of my goals, all these years I’ve been an ex member, one beef that historically happens with subjects which I believe us ex members who HAVE read the final years of Hubbard’s writings, can help with, is just to tell as best we can, what we read.

    That’s as unfortunately as good as it gets. “Chug” as a word hasn’t been findable, no Chug advices have showed up.

    We all, me especially, have wished that the guy who leaked OSA intel to the internet in 1995ish, we all wish that somehow ALL of the Hubbard private writings were somehow leaked to the univeristy computer where that INCOMM computer operations officer guy took the INCOMM backups tape and copied into his old university’s computer so he could then counter Dennis Erlich’s and others’ arguments on an old Alt Religion Scientology chat series of arguments, but I think that man, when he gets old and no longer has to worry about his employment, he can freely tell the full story of what he leaked or didn’t leak, and what computer Hubbard raw traffic he stashed, or not, on his outside university’s computer in that incident, which were two times that he went through the motions of copying and then removing INCOMM computer stuff to his outside university’s computers in some way that only he knows since he’s never publicly talked of that.

    He, that ex INCOMM computer operatons guy, is a future, hopefully in the future when Scientology can no longer fuck with his life, he will detail the full details. I’ve not been in touch with him in years.

    Oh, Duke of Chug, yes, he’s important. The INCOMM policy has the big core principle, Hubbard wants the Scientology INCOMM computer to actually “do work” and do it automatically, like AI (artificial intelligence) all on autopilot.

    And dovetailing to one of Hubbard’s late 1970s or early 1980s screaming crying private despatches, Hubbard just wails “…..management has failed for the millionth time…..”

    INCOMM was Hubbard’s mindset fantasy solution to Scientology managemet’s failures. INCOMM would be the ancient comptuer system solution to managing large bureaucracies, something that is autopilot and perfect.

    Duke of Chug was like Xenu, a bad apple high up person who got nabbed and “handled” and dealt with.

    Duke of Chug, though, was executed! On the spot, and the ancient computer system looked up his replacement, ordered the replacement TO Chug’s office, and then the on the spot space policemen just execute Chug, and the replacement takes over. Sort of like that movie Minority Report, where the Tom Cruise guy kills people BEFORE the person commits the crime. Which made me instantly think that Tom Cruise may have been shown the Chug advices, and further, Cruise has been shown many other of Hubbard’s “exciting” advices traffic of Hubbard’s final years.

    The computer whole history

    PS: Terri Gamboa and Janis Grady and Paul Grady, someday, those people ought to just be interviewed for days and days, when someone who is in the know and everyone has time, THEY really have just boatloads of mind boggling details. Janis Grady, I wish there were an alternative universe where time and space could be unlimitedly provided, her memory for details, is so excellent and she needs so much interviewing by someone who knows what to ask her.

    PSS: Dan Koon, Russ Williams, others with willing memories to be plumbed. Dan could write 10 books of what he knows!

    • Observer

      The computer is supposed to “do work.” All on its own, all
      automatically. That is the core core principle. Basically turn the
      computer on, and it sell maintains and runs a whole organization,
      personnel/finance/program-running-by-statistics-and-by-policy-principles,
      all self automatically.

      Hubbard’s ignorance! It burns!

      • Kestrel

        Sadly, I know of companies that are basically being run by the output of computer programs. Decisions made. Actions taken. Based on graphs and charts. The input that resulted in those graphs and charts? Often it is total crap.

        • stanrogers

          On two occasions I have been asked, — “Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?” In one case a member of the Upper, and in the other a member of the Lower, House put this question. I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

          – Charles Babbage, in Life of a Philosopher

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        Hal computer system.

        Nothing new.

        Jetson’s world!

      • Rasha

        …well, crap. No wonder I get yelled at for “typing” and “entering” things at work. “Rasha!” my boss says every morning, “I see you’ve ‘Logged In’ again! All you need to do it turn it on!”

        Needless to say, my browser history has a 20-second lifespan….

    • As far as Janis Grady and these mind boggling details…her book is written…..

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        Janis Grady and Dan Koon owe history about 10 books each!

        You, Karen, can’t thank you enough, for bringing out the conversation of Scientology into all the important key points.

        YOu too, Karen, need to be interviewed by a tech person in ultra detail.

    • What a banal, limited world-view. How can you believe that something as simple as an 80s-vintage computer can sustain a huge organisation on the basis of a program that has next to no connection with the real world?

      It’s like believing you can perform heart surgery by reference to the magic 8-ball.

      Hubbard’s view of the world was incredibly simplistic because he really didn’t have the intellect to understand that things are not as simple as his ideas.

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        The Jetson’s computerized space age life comes to mind.

        Past conversations about the “Lensman” books series, the blend of that “OT” like force and crossing that with ancient space advanced civilizations, the Lensman books had a major major effect on Hubbard’s conception I believe, of Scientology’s inevitable bureaucracy also.

        When you start fantacising in “millions of years” “seriously” for one’s organization, Hubbad’s Jetson’s and Lensman and Duke of Chug, and Marcab, and just the whole greater vein that Jeffrey Augustine is talking about, it gets so smushy into all of the Hubbard like you say, “limited” overview.

        Sure, the Hubbard mindset, it’s a smorgesboard, I like Hugh Urban using that term with Hubbard.

        • Which, it should be emphasised was a minimal animation cartoon that didn’t have a firm grasp of computer science.

          • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

            I couldn’t agree with you more! The mind that foisted “Dianetics” onto the public, Jetson-ized Dianetics. Hubbard couldn’t help his own pulp prolific wordsmithing mind!

            Carried away by his own mind.

            Pulp fiction, prolific science fiction mindset. That S.I. Hayakawa article Jon Atack put in his article that Tony put here, the Hubbard full mindset is extensive simplistic overwhelming mind smothering if you presume in Jetson’s fantasy, Star Trek stuff, that’s William Bainbridge’s territory of why Bainbridge appreciated Hubbard’s foothold.

            Past-lives, sci-fi, adds up to Xenu, Chug, INCOMM Church of Scientology International.

            PS: And Hubbard the one wishing to be paid for his “LRH products” to the end of his life, witness the Author Services Inc flogging Hubbard’s “products” following the ASI orders that Miscavige himself was the boss, Chairman of the Board Author Services. Selling Hubbard to the end of Hubbard’s life, per Hubbard’s orders. A nice summary booklet ought be done to hand out at the “Writers of the Future” celebrations yearly, the cognitive dissonance in the Hubbard contest judges’ minds must be a whole massive story of those resisting biting the ASI/Writers of the Future money feeding hand! Hubbard set up that whole angle to keep Hubbard’s own ASI’s hand making money even today, reselling and reselling, and reselling, and Phil Jones’ daughter manning her position continuing selling Hubbard’s fiction, even to this moment–the dovetailing of the full Hubbard “legacy” is so continuing tragic sad real….

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        I keep failing to give Jim Lewis his due, for Jim’s article, out of context, I wish to say I am glad Jim wrote this article:

        http://www.academia.edu/20413215/Technological_Exorcism_Body_Thetans_and_Scientology_s_Secret_Mythology

        If one suffers all the way through Jim’s article, Jim does quote I think some “new” Hubbard final writings which I think important to add to the smorgesboard that Hubbard spread out.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Well put, and yet another characteristic that narcissistic overconfident ‘leaders’ share.

        “They really don’t have the intellect to understand that things are not as simple as [their] ideas.”

      • JJ

        Splains a lot about Scientology. Maybe they are still trying to save the world and it is just that simple. Genius is close to madness…and in some cases, past it, long time ago….

        • Oh maybe there are too many simple solutions and not enough simple questions.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Always enjoy hearing your first-hand accounts of life in the $ea Orgy and I knew that you’d have a lot to say about today’s blog topic!

      After hearing about Elron’s wildly ambitious plan to create a “2001 A space odyssey” HAL type super AI computer that would control all of $cn on autopilot, about all one can say there is that I’m sure glad he sent the cult’s best and brightest IT folks down that completely unachievable rabbit hole at that time. Otherwise, they might have done some real damage by bringing the cult into the internet age at the beginning stages of its development. Diverting them off onto a bizarre, delusionally megalomaniacal and doomed-to-failure project like this probably helped considerably to keep the cult in the digital dark ages for as long as it has. Xenu help us all, if some small band of talented $cn computer nerds had gotten in on the ground floor of the internet’s emergence and expansion!

      Elron wanted $cn to rule the world, so if his idea was to have a super AI computer in power above any human $cilon, then the direct implication there is that he wanted to see his “Duke of Chug” era super computer rule the world! Too bad for him, and for $cn, that his plan was for a hyper-centralized system, while the world was moving rapidly away from it and towards the development of a completely distributed network system, which is the only way that the internet could ever have evolved and become what it is today. Like every other scientific field that he dilettantishly dabbled in, Elron had neither the intellect nor the focused drive to do any kind of serious science or work in any technical field other than the imagined one he’d created in $cn, which never worked as promised and completely failed to withstand rigorous objective investigation.

      Instead of being an accurate whole track memory upon which real technological advances could be made, the Duke of Chug was more than likely one of Elron’s early drinking buddies that his BT-addled brain delusionally misremembered 😉

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        Unbelievably true what you say!

        And always, I’ve come to finally grasp, Hubbard’s prolific nonsense rightfully deserves the silent lack of attention back that it gets.

        For history book shelves I’ve wished people to fill in details of the Hubbard mess to avoid longer range hagiography fooling future persons interested in the Hubbard crap legacy.

        Long range, some Writers of the Future contest winner, who is really some well off person, does the full monty massive tome on Hubbard, they’d be a good future book on Hubbard candidate, in my opinion.

  • nateht

    Uh huh and this is why, even today, we all use Chug computers with the latest INCOMM software.

    • Ann B Watson

      ❤️

  • Bob Crouch

    LRH at his own unreflective, narcissistic and tone deaf self: If this computer killed Chug for oppression and greed, guess what would have happened to ol’ El Con!

    • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

      LRH would be ordered to Cramming, Ethics, and for sure Hubbard would be doing Lower Conditions, specificially “Doubt Condition” at that moment near the end of Hubbard’s life when Hubbard expressed despair and real doubts to Sarge Steven Pfauth.

      If the Chug system were recording LRH when LRH talked to Sarge, the Chug system would have had Hubbard assigned “Doubt Conditon” and order LRH to do his own “Ethics Program”

      The L Ron Hubbard Ethics Handling Program!

      But the INCOMM Chug Computer System wasn’t there to fix Hubbard at Hubbard’s own medicine, LOL>

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    The 1980s era of “top management” was a whole different era of honestly TOO MUCH Hubbard raw top management ideas. Each enthusiastic Hubbard final years major set of ideas cross competed and weakened them due to just spreading the movement’s “top” leadership.

    But that seems a normal bureaucratic problem, I later sort of picked up in my outside reading.

    I’ve often wanted to really get university edcuated and read books on how bureaucracies evolve and their basic and just natural internal competition problems.

    When people ask the serious questions, like “Why did you leave?” It elicits so many answers, there is NO one answer to someone who has read and thought that Hubbard’s massive layout of smorgesboard management ideas can be drawn from, to trip over the problems in every part of Hubbard’s muliple policy area zone solutions, it just turns into a mess of confusion why it is that the Hubbard organizations are failing. It’s due to “all of the above” and also major human bureaucracy problems that Hubbard never himself even learned or which he thought weren’t problems, but those problems in his organizations are instantly seen as glaring by outsiders to the whole movement.

    Chug advices were supposed to be the computer solution to bad human management, in a nutshell. And be a permanent long range solution.

    I think in that sense, Hubbard was thinking the Jetson fantasy computer system would save Scientology management. Much ado about nothing, and nothing new, really from Hubbard when all is said and done.

  • davegrille

    The Duke of Chug looks a lot like Ming the Merciless .

    • John Prince

      you recognized ihm immediatly too, huh!

  • nottrue
    • Newiga

      HAHAHHAAAHAHAHAAA! You might be on to something here.

    • Ann B Watson

      Oh damn she broke a nail moving Ron’s books. What Drama,what Tragedy! As if her storage units were made of pure Titanium and she had her own mountain. Sorry dm already has first dibs. And on all the Ron Come Back Mega Mansions too.Thank you not true. ❤️

    • Harpoona Frittata

      And when you’ve been foolish enough to let the $cilon vulture reges get to you like she has, then you’ve got more useless copies of the Basic Books and bowling trophies than a failed Amway distributor has stockpiled soap!

      I’m just glad that Krustie has talked herself down off of whatever inner ledge she’s been teetering on for ages and is now no longer threatening to punch (or shoot) herself in vagina when she gets stressed…glad for her, but glad for us too as all that loose talk of pussy punishing was becoming secondarily traumatizing 😉

    • Good to see she’s keeping that crap in storage instead of reading it.
      Or disseminating it.

    • Boy, the more I think about it the weirder that is.
      Did she really mean to advertise the fact that she bought all that crap and needs to have that much storage for it?
      Twitter deliver.

      • nottrue

        I put the bottom part on. It does look like part of her tweet, Wish it was.. She would be called to Flag

    • Liberated

      I think the image of gun emojis is creepy.

    • Graham

      When the packaging tape starts yellowing with age it’s time to either open the damn things or chuck ’em out!

      • Liberated

        Right..what in the world is she saving them for?

    • Rasha

      The entire planet weeps for you, Krustie.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Nah, it’s a nightmare when you sleep in a storage unit and pay to run around a pole all day.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Is 4:41 am Kristie’s local time (or yours)?

    • iampissed

      Yea it’s a bitch having to move all those peanut butter cups.

    • Mick Roberts

      Calm down Kirstie. Just call up Celebrity Centre and get them to provide you with some free labor from underpaid children to get your stuff moved for you. Or do you have to be on the Tom Cruise celebrity-level to get those benefits?

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      Today is a weekend? Oh, Kirstie, you didn’t have the disadvantage of so many scilons who weren’t allowed adequate education …. but, wait, I’m not being fair ….. morbid brainwashing can account for lots of Kirstiisms and your assorted idiocies. Miss Kirstie, you cause me to sigh so deeply.

  • John Prince

    The Duke of Chug? are you sure that’s not Ming, the Merciless? (Max von Sydow in “Flash Gordon”)
    Maybe elron invented Computers but he sure as shit didn’t invent the Internet, did he? 😂😆😅

    • stanrogers

      You do understand that that was an image our proprietor chose as an amusing illustration, right?

      • John Prince

        thanks for setting me straight. Mr. Rogers. .is it a beautiful day in the neighborhood?

        • ExCult.Jan

          Weather.com says to expect purple rain.

          • Mooser42001

            “Weather.com says to expect purple rain.”

            And even though we call the wind Mariah, for some reason it cries “Mary!”! Never could figure that out. ( At least the waving wheat sure smells sweet when the wind comes right behind the rain, which is nice.)

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    Fred Harris.

    I so wish news of what Fred is doing were to surface.

    Fred would be so important. Fred and Frannie Harris, I wish their story were told by them.

    The whole stream of ex ASI staff, people who were priveleged to execute LRH’s ASI traffic of the 1980s, would be so interesting to hear those details, someday.

    • Fred was the one who introduced me to Scientology back in 1969. He and Susan Surgeoner (Prior?) came to our town to do a drug lecture for Narconon.

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        Fred and Barry Watson were awarded Kha Khan by Hubbard, for Fred and Barry’s initial “tours” for Flag services, the pair did the initial “Flag World Tours” and got that avalanche of service paid starts to Flag Clearwater in early 1976, I recall those days, our food and pay and bonuses took a whole turn for the better due to those original AO 536 tours of Barry and Fred, that are repeated to this day, for those same reasons. AO 536, wish all the Flag Mimeo files were leaked, there are rooms full of filing cabinets of the whole history of the movement all reduceable to USB drives for sharing, were that material to be so issued, but that would take some massive changes to leak all their history. (The Flag World Tours, they will never end due to AO 536.)

        Fred Harris was thus in my mind, him and Barry Watson, they got the all time Kha Khan status.

        And your daughter works where Fred did his final great deeds, at ASI and Galaxy Productions (the seller of LRH’s top fiction products).

        Is she noticing the billboards, have you heard? I like the websites parents are putting up for their kids, that is just a good idea also!

        Disconnected family members I hope continue and I imagine that families will do so, from now on.

        That’s a really good idea!

  • Phil Jones is on Twitter… Say Hi 🙂
    https://twitter.com/phildoggo/status/825443691988869121

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    The Chug computer system is so easy to use that even COB can use it.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4a35657dda16502a4f1ae9176f91ba726df2dea6e2a36575881378abeaa474fb.png

    • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

      One time I was in the INCOMM car, at the Int Base, in the “middle villas” parking lot, siting in the car, I was in the rear seat, on the driver’s side backseat, and John Busby was in the passenger front seat.

      David Miscavige came walking out of the upper villa room that was his and strolled over to the INCOMM car, and John Busby said politely, “Hello Sir” and we all smiled at DM politely.

      I remembered DM since he was just the little newbie CMO Messenger at CW, when he first joined the Sea Org (I’d glimpsed him a few times inbetween the years, in the elevator at the complex when DM and ASI used the main building elevator all the time after ASI daily work they’d ride up in a block of all the “top” ASIers, Starkey, Wilhere(s), DM was just so short, he could be difficult to stand too close to, due to any normal height person would be a foot or greater taller and that’s so noticeable when you stand right up close to him, a reason I think as a really short man he just has to have people AWAY from him, it is unconfortable for him to have tall people stand too close to him, like in those uncomfortable elevator ride moments that he was subjected to.

      Anyways, in INCOMM history, the skinny for those in the know, is DM HATED INCOMM with a passion, just scathing condemnation against the INCOMM failures at computerization.

      So many bitter scathing things DM said, and which trickled down, even in that moment when I was siting in the INCOMM car waiting to drive back from Int to LA, and DM strolled over to the INCOMM car to say hello, he was in good humor, but it was one of those times when you are around him, you see how on edge he puts others. John Busby was on social politeness lockdown tension at that moment. John knew of DM’s explosive wrath and knew of DM’s INCOMM scathing critiicism. I think this DM scathing wrathe had been spread around, so that DM created this whole on edge mentality for those that knew of DM’s eruptions. Not just INCOMM were on edge, but all around DM who live long enough near DM see the effects DM has on others and DM I don’t know if DM has educated himself enough to see his effects.

      Obviously not, and I so wish we could have Shelly Miscavige and others like Terri Gamboa tell of life around DM in way more detail and tell how things have gone over the last 10 years up to now.

    • Observer

      Oh, dear…Captain Miscavige appears to have hit menopause

  • If I recall correctly, there were 200 staff members on a way station out in space that *Ran* the population of 1 quadrillion due to the Chug computer system.
    Hubbard’s recall proved that a Brilliant Computer and 200 staff could control and manage the population of 1 quadrillion rank and file.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mockingbird

      Can I have a clay demo of that in full please ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

      • with Labels…

        • Mockingbird

          Yes ! I wasted hours cutting those stupid labels ! 😂😂😂😂

          • And writing stupid small letters he he..

            • Mockingbird

              Oh man, I had to write so tiny.

    • Rasha

      *degausses shoebox full of 3.5″ floppies*

      …and I can download this software from where, exactly?

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Think 3½” is a bit too high-tech, Rashie–reel-to-reel tape or maybe 8″ floppies would be more appropriate!

        • Rasha

          Thanks for the heads up, Kitteh. I have three audio cassettes around here somewhere….

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            That’ll do nicely 🙂

            • Graham

              So you don’t need my wax cylinders then?

            • Rasha

              LOL!!

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Sorry Graham–the signal-to-noise ratio is too high, and the storage density is too low… I should have checked before making the order.*grovels apologetically for the inconvenience caused*;)

            • Graham

              Have you any idea how many bees gave their all to produce that wax? *flounces off petulantly*

            • 1.5 million?

            • beauty for ashes

              oooh have to try that
              ***flounces off petu-lantly**
              okay~ i’ll do better next time 🙂

        • but 8 inch floppies (and, boy, were they floppy!) could actually hold almost as much data as the 3.5″ drives (and exactly the same amount as 5.25″ disks)! At 1.2 MB / disk, the high density disks were excellent.

      • MarcabExpat

        Are the REM statements just quotes from policy letters?

  • Mockingbird

    God, I remember reading about INCOMM years ago and they had an area in a building in LA that I walked onto and several Sea Org members acted like it compromised the security of this SECTOR of the GALAXY to have unauthorized personnel walk in the hall of the building ! Only summary execution was appropriate. They acted like a major investigation was required and I said I am going to bed after my sixteen hour day on course.

    The references on INCOMM made it seem like Hubbard recalled space opera super computer technology that was millennia more advanced than anything earth had yet created. Like the cause resurgence rundown and its super advanced technology. Running around a pole until you lose your damned mind.

  • Lionel Drinkwater

    Oh snap! Iran has just retaliated against Trump by banning US citizens from entering Iran. Well there goes my plans to visit Tehran to watch the public beatings and beheadings. The IAS had funded my trip. I was to report back to COB on methods Scientology could use to increase compliance and handle counter intention in the environment.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      No worries, N.Korea is still an option, right?

      • Lionel Drinkwater

        Scientology’s Ideal Org in Pyongyang never has any ethics problems because all of the Scientologists there are 100% happy at all times. Stats are always up. The rumors that Scientologists who are even remotely PTS or disaffected suddenly disappear in the dead of night are false.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          $cn’s Pyongyang org has been Ideal since it opened and it took only three days to go Saint Hill-size after Dear Leader visited and pronounced the tech delivery to be 100% standard.

          With $cn on the ropes in America and under fire across the world, the DPRK could be the perfect spot to move its headquarters. Lil davey could beat his minions to his dark heart’s content and Kim Jong-un would be over the moon to get access to the cult’s e-metered sec checking and interrogation tech!

  • Science Doc

    I’m trying to load Chug OS onto my mobile devices but I can’t find a paper tape reader for an iPhone.

    • Graham

      I think you have to do it via telex machine??

      • Do they make an acoustic coupler for an iPhone?

    • Lionel Drinkwater

      Science Doc, with all due respect, COB’s policy on this clearly orders you to turn in your iPhone and other computer devices to OSA. You will be issued a telex and a landline. If you need to know anything OSA will call or telex you. You can also call or telex OSA.

    • ze moo

      You need a punch card reader.

    • grundoon
      • that guy has to much time on his hands

      • April

        I’m more than a little impressed at the ingenuity. And devotion to outdated technology.

      • MarcabExpat

        That was awesome and you are awesome for showing it to us

        • grundoon

          awwww

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Kestrel

      Well, you can see why Scientology, Inc. is love-bombing KUBA Ka. His mom has access to serious wealth.

    • MarcabExpat

      Wait, he’s upset about anti-Trump campaigns AND anti-Muslim campaigns? I didn’t think it was possible to overestimate his mental flaccidity, but I appear to have done so. Wow.

      ETA: and how did he even get on her radar to have her block him? Or is he really not blocked, just a stunt by his mom for attention? (That would be cleverer than I give her credit for.)

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Plus, Madonna was featured at the anti-Trump rally. SMH

        • MarcabExpat

          Yeah of all the people for them to be sucking up to right now…brilliant.

          My money says:
          1. neither of them has a clue what is going on in the country;
          2. KK surveyed some twitter trends and concocted a lament for everything people seem to be “anti” at the moment, without noticing whether they fit together, and his next, even more confused tweet will be along the lines of “Please, won’t someone think of the Fascists?”
          3. his mom figured she could gin up some followers by accusing Madonna of blocking him, but in fact Madge has never even heard of this guy.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            If this guy’s family didn’t have money he’d be SCOHB. That’s not to say that he doesn’t anyway.

            • MarcabExpat

              No summation of his life could be more pithy or astute.

    • April

      Dude is just a little bit confused. Anti-Trump folks are genrally also anti-racism.

    • Observer

      A tiny appendage of real life just got through the bubble and smacked him in the back of the head.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      That nice note from momma Kubakaa should do the trick!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Big beings shouldn’t need their mamas to jump into the fray. Come on, OSA, time for action. Madonna is a bigoted SP who blocked Kuba Ka!

        • Harpoona Frittata

          OSA, OSA, OSA…

          Madonna is a Kabbalist, which to $cilons are like snake-charming Pentecostals. There are some weird mofos down there in the Southland, that’s for sure, but Kubakka and momma Kubakka are $cn strange.

  • scottmercer

    “The difference between Scientology and Donald Trump is that Scientology has better celebrities.” – Bill Maher

    • iampissed

      Classic

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      That’s like comparing armpit funk to basketball crotch. I’ll hold my nose and find my entertainment elsewhere.

      • Kestrel

        Oh, my goodness. That’s going to stay with me all day. Like basketball crotch.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Who is in charge of compiling the T-shirt slogans?

        • jayla197145

          XD !!!

    • ExCult.Jan

      Really, who is in charge of compiling the T-shirt slogans?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think it’s Chris Shelton.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • ExCult.Jan

      With a cute 20-something (if that) on each arm.

      Does “recovered” into Scientology mean he blew or just that he made the mistake of replying to Co$ junk mail?
      I assume enrolling on his full route (root?;) to clear and starting purif rundown and beoming an IAS sponsor and joining the team could involve a pretty hefty chunk of one’s retirement savings?

      • Mick Roberts

        Pretty much the same questions & comments I had. Didn’t see your comment until I typed mine and refreshed.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Great minds…. 😉

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah. Recovered means they roped him back in. But he could have only bought a book in 1970.

    • Mick Roberts

      Relatively new never-in here, but does “recovered into Scientology” mean he left and they got him back in (apparently with the use of two young women by the looks of it)? I guess he’s getting a sweet retirement/pension that this so-called “church” wants to get a cut of (check that, they want all of it, plus his credit and anything else they can get him to leave them in his will).

  • Susan B.

    A not so happy use of the word “chug”:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chug

  • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

    That first line of the Computer Expansion Newsletter says the sole purpose of orgs is to “sell & denver materials & services”.
    How do you “denver” materials?
    Do you send it a mile high & then to the person who wants it?

    Great proofreading there!

    • Observer

      It’s because the document was scanned so the text was text instead of an image. Optical character recognition requires laser-sharp text to scan accurately. There’s stuff like that throughout it.

      • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

        Whenever I scan something into optical character recognition, I carefully go through it & correct all the mistakes.

  • Ever met an SP?

    Fascinating, I’d never heard of any of this! The computer system he’s proposing in his little fantasy sounds rather bollocks, though. It wouldn’t be workable in today’s technology, never mind that of 1980, and by no means matches the specifications described in the article (which is basically a largeish database of parameters – yes, that’s parameters, Scientology, and I’m sorry that you apparently don’t know the difference between those and statistics). The article makes it clear that since the system can’t think for itself, it needs a human controller who interprets and acts on the data. In the space opera example, if the system they were using had those sorts of limitations, that controller would have either been or reported to the Grand Old Duke, so they wouldn’t have been in a position to overthrow anybody. Could this be a case of LRH resorting to bait-and-switch? Inconceivable!

    • Ben Franklin

      He was thinking more of an artificially intelligent computer that would analyze data and then make a decision or come up with possible solution for a particular problem.

      • Ever met an SP?

        Ay, but that’s nothing like what they actually implemented. The program doesn’t even seem to have been doing much analysis, never mind proposing anything that wasn’t obvious.

        • Ben Franklin

          True, Scientologists were never able to implement such a system, but, it was Hubbard’s dream to create a computer system that was capable of making decisions like a human would. Hubbard liked the idea that machines do not have any emotions, therefore, any decision made by a machine would be emotionless.

          Nowadays, there is quite a lot of research being done to create machines that are capable of learning and analyzing information like human beings. The goal is to create machines that are capable of making decisions based on data analysis. One of the most famous computer system in the field of machine learning, is the chess-playing IBM computer named Deep Blue

          • What Deep Blue does is look a every possible move and assign a score to it, according to an algorithm written by its programmers who include a lot of world-class chess players. .

            It’s so powerful that it can access a large number of moves and reliably come up with good ones – but that’s not playing a game. That’s investigating all the possibilities by brute force number-crunching according to instructions that have been written for you and without understanding. Deep Blue is no more intelligent than a calculator.

            The test, I suppose is to challenge it to another game. Deep Blue would simply not be able to (for example) play drafts if you asked it to. It would need a completely new program to do this – and then you could take out a pack of cards, challenge it to a game of ‘snap’ (and it wouldn’t have a clue, again).

            Machines which appear to be able to make intelligent decisions are here, but real AI is just as far off as it ever was. They are misleading simulations of intelligence with no intellect at all.

            • Ben Franklin

              Well…I would say it all depends on your definition of intelligence. Some people would argue that any computer system created by a human being can never be deemed intelligent. Others argue that an “intelligent” machine is a machine that is capable of learning from experience, adopting to new circumstances, and making rational decisions based on the information it receives or stores in its memory.

            • Mine is the one that is difficult to produce in a machine – the generalised ability to (for example) learn a game without encountering it before, let alone having to programmed to ‘play’ it.

              I don’t think it would be impossible – but any truly intelligent machine would probably need a body to act upon the world (there’s a severe limit to the amount that you can know through pure reason) and… what’s the point. There is already a method of producing intelligent embodied entities and it’s much more fun.

              AI is going to remain a intellectual tool, not to be trusted in novel situations, for a very long time.

            • Ben Franklin

              A machine will never be able to fully mimic the human brain because the human brain is capable of making both rational and irrational decisions.

              What scientists are trying to do is develop a machine that can acquire knowledge and then use that knowledge to learn how to do things. A human being who has never played a specific game would never know how to play that game until they learn the rules and then practice how to play the game. The difference between a human being and a computer is that someone has to input the knowledge of a new game into the system before a computer can learn how to use the information to make decisions that can help it play the game. Human’s also take time to learn and practice games, but unlike computers, human’s acquire knowledge on their own. The learning process is the same though. Human’s can not play a game that they have no experience playing in the past without some kind of practice or knowledge about the game.

              The more we practice and play games we never played before the more we acquire knowledge and lean the best way to play the game. Humans learn only through practice. An intelligent machine is one that is capable of learning through practice(experience) and also capable or recognizing mistakes and then avoiding making the same mistake twice. We all learn the best way to do things only through practice and experience. The human brain is like a computer in some ways because everything a human does is calculated.

            • The distinction in AI research is between ‘top down’ (where you load a computer with high level concepts and explicitly provide rules for manipulating them) and ‘bottom up’ where you provide it with a camera, an arm, some blocks and let it evolve rules for dealing with the world).

              Deep Blue is ‘top down’, and demonstrates that you can’t build a mind that way. You can only build a mindless, specialised tool. ‘Top down’ AI is, obviously, an enterprise that will take generations to produce something as adaptable as a pigeon. All that it is good for, at the moment is understanding general principles that may become useful in the future.

              Cognitive psychology teaches us that very, very little of what a human does is explicitly calculated. If we worked like that we would never get anything done. Most of the decisions we make are made according to heuristics – rules of thumb that we have picked up over the years and usually work, more or less. There is also the influence that the more primitive parts of our brain have over us producing decisions made (for better of worse) on the basis of emotion.

              So, I also have to disagree about humans being unable to learn a game they have had no previous experience of. Children do it all the time. They watch, they work out the general idea, and then refine their understanding as they play. If we didn’t have that ability we would never get the idea of a game if it was explained to us.

              The challenge of true AI is to simulate the ways in which neurology, psychology and environment give rise to human behaviour (not to mention sentience) on alternative hardware – not in a brain, but on a computer.

              My intuition is that this is an almost intractable task that will have to wait for quantum computers, at the very least.

            • Robert Eckert

              Another thing that was pointed out about Deep Blue is that it would be completely helpless with what humans consider the trivial aspect of chess: it could never look through a camera at an actual chessboard with actual pieces on it, figure out what the position was, and when it had decided on a move, grab the desired piece with an arm and put it where it wanted it.

            • Quite.

              It’s a specialised tool, completely focussed on one task and one only – an abstract mathematical exercise which only has meaning in the human minds which recognise the result as a move in a game of chess.

              Deep Blue is just crunching numbers. The difference between it and programmable calculator is the complexity and extent of the number-crunching it can do.

              It’s an example of the ‘top down’ school of AI which, now that we have machines with sufficient processing power, is clearly not an feasible approach for anything other than dumb, specialised tools.

              The thing that bothers me (and I can’t quite articulate) is that we are giving so many of our decisions over to ‘expert systems’ (e.g. in stock market trading) to systems in the apparent belief that they are more capable than we are. However, they are not aware in any way, and cannot see obvious flaws and mistakes in what they do because they can only follow their inflexible program.

              If you place our faith in the this kind of whizz-bang approach, and don’t supervise it properly, programming flaws could lead us to run off cliffs like lemmings are supposed to.

  • A True Prince
  • Observer

    Meanwhile, Mappin’s ecstacy at the outcome of the US presidential election has not trickled down to his guests.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/66aeb48d28c598a5574ba04b5ae469d8c803bfaf7dd97ae1ae5a22c5256b2b43.png

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      With every review it becomes more and more my dream to stay here, and I’m not kidding! You already know this, Obs, but I was supposed to be staying at Camelot Castle Hotel for a couple of nights last Spring with a friend; to my eternal regret it didn’t come together, but you keep posting these delectable enticements and I know I have to make it happen.

      • Observer

        You may wish to get fake ID before checking in. Just sayin’.

        • lol

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          There must be a teenager around here somewhere who could get hold of fake ID for me. I kid, I won’t need ID.

          • Observer

            You will, however, need one of those tiny spy video cameras for the Light Box. I suspect that experience will be difficult to describe.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Yes, I will! And I know just the man to provide it 🙂

            • AntoniaW

              It’s ghastlier and more embarrassing than you can possibly imagine. After being led down into the bowels of the Edwardian basement service areas, Ted makes you sit on a chair whilst he sings at you. I had to endure “Delilah”. One has to look down because it is too excruciating to look anywhere other than at one’s feet.

            • Observer

              I can imagine Andrea looking straight at him, rapt and filled with delight at the sheer awfulness.

            • stanrogers

              Some people like Vogon poetry.

            • Kestrel

              Didn’t a woman take a tiny camera into a scientology event once?

            • Observer

              I’m not touching that one.

            • Kestrel

              Me, neither.

        • Ever met an SP?

          Happily, under UK law if the place were to turn Andrea away for being an ‘SP’ it could be sued up the wazoo. It’s almost worth going along in a ‘Praise Xenu’ T-shirt just to provoke a case!

          • Observer

            I was thinking more along the lines of Mappin passing her information along to his evil overlords for purposes of harassment.

            • Ever met an SP?

              If they don’t have it by now, they don’t care enough to pay attention 😛

            • Observer

              True enough.

            • Robert Eckert

              Some would-be harrassers did show up at her place once and met her giant beefy military brothers.

      • Frodis73

        I sooooo want to stay there too. I feel like it is something that one must experience. We know what it is all about, so it is not like we will be disappointing that it is run down and falling apart, etc. Meeting the Mappins and Ted would be an experience in itself.
        Also, we all know he read the reviews because at times he writes a rebuttal. I just wonder how he can be in such denial about what a dump it is and how weird most people think he is. Scientology creates an entire alt-universe for adherents.
        Ps-If you ever get to go you know we want tons of pic and any live blogging if you can. Iirc the wi-fi is sketchy and limited.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          That’s precisely it, Frodis! It couldn’t be bad enough for me 😀

        • Kestrel

          We should all try to go at the same time. Maybe we could have a discussion in their dining room. I can’t imagine what we could talk about, but I’m sure we would come up with something entertaining.

          • Observer

            The OTIII materials?

            • Kestrel

              That’s a good start!

            • stanrogers

              Oh, sure, and get pneumonia?

        • Robert Eckert

          HowdyCon UK next year! C’mon, it’s the MST3K of hotels!

      • AntoniaW

        Ahem. If you ever go to the Tropical Paradise of North Cornwall, come and stay with me instead, it’s much safer, warmer and cleaner. In fact, I only became aware of the real ghastliness of Scientology because of these neighbours of mine. I often sent house guests there in the past, though, on rainy weekends, for a bit of theatre/anthropology, and they always returned both gibbering and laughing. Obviously, I warned them to hang on to their wallets.

      • Video,,, everything!

        • Kestrel

          Would it be improper to wear cameras on our heads?

          • stanrogers

            Only if it’s white tie. Then you should wear it on a sash.

      • I just couldn’t bring myself to give them money – for anything. And the whole experience would be excruciatingly embarrassing.

    • Jo

      You got me at alarms bells ringing and strange people running about.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’m almost tempted by the tiny rock hard turd looking things.

      • iampissed

        Those would be my moms cookies.

      • JJ

        Rock hard and look like turds…? Those might be turds.

    • iampissed

      Daaaaam

    • What’sup
      • ReallyMGM

        Someone should have the Gideon’s give him a visit so they can offer alternative reading material.

      • JJ

        Profoundly. Why can’t they be nice and put in Harry Potter.

  • Phil McKraken

    Duke of Chug is the new official nickname for my bartender.

  • Hermesacat

    Did Hubbard derive the name if not the character of the Duke of Chug from The Duke of Chou, maybe?
    The Duke of Chou was an important member of the Chinese royal family during the Chou Dynasty, 1046 BC – 256 BC (Zhou is the modern English spelling). He “played a major role in consolidating the kingdom established by his elder brother King Wu.” (Wikipedia). The Duke of Chou is a cultural hero even today for having been (or so it’s claimed) one of the authors of the famous Chinese book of divination, the I Ching. His name’s mentioned in many places in the I Ching.

    Hubbard as an Aleister Crowley-ite would have been exposed to the I Ching as Crowley was a big fan of the divination book and his diaries show he consulted it for advice on a daily basis throughout much of his life. He also wrote about it himself and incorporated its system it into his own in various ways. Hubbard no doubt would have known all about The Duke of Chou via the I Ching. Maybe Hubbard liked the “ring” of the name and used a derivation of it for his own invented figure of ancient times, but an ancient villain rather than a hero.

    • iampissed

      Never though I would see the I Ching pop up here, here is my story. When I was a lot younger then I am now I was working for a company that thought I was the next best thing to sliced cheese. I was fast tracked into management at a new location with the promise that if it didn’t work out I could always come back home. Well it didn’t, the person who was to show me the ropes had very little
      technical knowledge so I ended up doing all the real field work, I was frustrated and wanted to come back home. I was told I couldn’t, no room at the inn. As my frustration grew I was also somewhat looking at alternative ways of thinking, the I Ching was one of those ways. So one day I broke out the I Ching and used it to ask questions about going to a college that I thought was very hard to into and very expensive. The sticks said I should go for it, I did. I made it in and after I got out my wife also got in. We paid off our student loans which in hindsight wasn’t that bad, we mainly used the loans to live on as we were mainly on scholarship and it was a school where you could not work and go to school at the same time. So to this day I think it worked for me. As for the Crowley thing all I can say is that I know everyone likes to talk about the “Do as thou will is the whole of the law” thing. I’ve hung out with some Pagans and Wiccans, to some of them there is another law which I use, it’s called the Three Fold Law. It stats that what you do good or bad will come back to you three fold.
      That’s my story and I am sticking to it.

      • chukicita

        It is my opinion that I Ching, tarot, etc. are just tools to help a person sort out their thoughts and feelings, ambitions and fears.

        • iampissed

          Yep..that is my point. Thank you.

        • iampissed

          But sometimes it works…..it strange and interesting….just my thoughts.

      • Robert Eckert

        The great prince issues commands, founds states, vests families with fiefs: inferior people should not be employed.

      • Hermesacat

        That’s a tale worth telling. More fun factoids: Psychologist Carl Jung was also big fan of, and believer in, the I Ching. Jung wrote the long intro. or forward to the popular Wilhelm/Baynes edition. And Bob Dylan said in an interview in 1965 that, QUOTE: “there is a book called the I-Ching, I’m not trying to push it, I don’t want to talk about it, but it’s the only thing that is amazingly true, period, not just for me.”

    • iampissed

      Hubbard never got it.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Podcast discussion of Aftermath starts at about 10 minutes in.
    http://loveandknuckles.com/eden-sassoon/

  • J. Swift

    In his 1982 solo album The Nightfly, Steely Dan frontman Donald Fagen included a whimsical song entitled
    I.G.Y. (What a Beautiful World). In this piece, Fagen imagined a future in which compassionate and wise scientists programmed a computer to make all of the critical decisions:

    “A just machine to
    make big decisions
    Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision
    We’ll be clean when their work is done
    We’ll be eternally free yes and eternally young

    What a beautiful world this will be
    What a glorious time to be free”

    The future depicted in Fagen’s I.G.Y. was a utopia. Conversely, in his super-secret “CHUG advices” Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard described a dystopian past millions of years ago on a faraway planet called Chug in which a computer system ruthlessly and efficiently “managed” the planet by using a harsh system of Scientology-like ethics and punishments. The computer system would ordered people killed as needed.

    The Chug nonsense is yet another reason why Steely Dan is better than Scientology. Take it away Donald:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogYgHlNnqo

    • Ben Franklin

      This kind of reminds me of the movie Demolition Man

    • Jo

      Just read, Wool, Hugh Howely, Same sort of thing, great book but sad and claustrophobic.

    • iampissed

      So useless to ask me why
      Throw a kiss and say goodbye
      I’ll make it this time
      I’m ready to cross that fine line
      ETA….OSA are You paying attention.

    • stanrogers

      Again, context. Hubbard would have been working with things like Murray Leinster’s A Logic Named Joe, which cascaded down to things like the M5 Multitronic System and Landru in Star Trek TOS, Collosus: The Forbin Project and John Varley’s Press Enter. That started as a metaphor for relinquishing personal responsibility (to an autocracy as much as to a machine); the idea that Hubbard was incapable of getting the joke, as t’were, isn’t a stretch, nor is the idea that he was more than willing to play on fears that were already in the air.

    • Rasha

      I have always loved this track. Actually this whole album. New Frontier and Greenflower Street and are wonderful. Donald’s vision of the not-too-distant future was always a happy place for Rasha….

    • Whimsical and serious.
      The issue of programming to make decisions is very timely because of autonomous cars.
      There are, and will be, situations where either the life of the driver, or the life of others is in jeopardy.
      What will the car do? Depends on the programmer’s compassion and vision.

      90 minutes from New York to Paris. Undersea by rail.
      There’ll be spandex jackets, one for everyone.

      I want my spandex jacket.

      I listen to all of the Fagen albums almost on an endless loop.
      He is quite the futurist.

      “Kamakiriad” for one is about a car, steam powered, frame is cryoplastic, tech is Balinese. Oh, with a hydroponic garden in the back.

      Let’s not forget “Tomorrow’s Girls”::

      “Our town is just like any other
      Good citizens at work and play
      Normal folks doin’ business in the normal way
      This morning was like any other
      Mommies kissing daddies goodbye
      Then the milkman screamed
      And pointed up at the sky

      From Sheilus to the reefs of Kizmar
      From Stargate and the outer worlds
      They’re speeding towards our sun
      They’re on a party run
      Here come tomorrow’s girls
      Tomorrow’s girls

      They’re landing on the Jersey beaches
      Their engines make the white sand swirl
      The heat is so intense
      Earth men have no defense
      Against tomorrow’s girls

      They’re mixing with the population
      A virus wearing pumps and pearls
      Lord help the lonely guys
      Hooked by those hungry eyes
      Here come tomorrow’s girls
      Tomorrow’s girls”

      A virus wearing pumps and pearls!

      Best session musicians, arrangers in the world. Recording is flawless. I highly recommend listening in a high definition format rather than MP3.
      I constantly rail about how musicians spend a lot of money to record in state of the art studios, only to have people listen in a format where much of that is lost.
      Its just like HD TV vs. the old ones. Which would you rather?

      “Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision”
      This line always reminds me of Talking Heads’ (David Byrne) line “some civil servants are just like my loved ones. They work so hard and they try to be strong.”

      And from “The Goodbye Look” (and haven’t we all seen it?)
      “Won’t you pour me
      A Cuban Breeze Gretchen”
      I had to get a recipe. Rum, grapefruit juice, amaretto. Wow, umami on the rocks..

  • JJ

    There’s a wonder. Miscavige is A: the super computer Hubbard wanted to have running things or B: The moon-child Crowley was trying to create.
    Here’s a stupid one too. If people in Scientology get arrested and charged with actual crimes, I wonder if any of them would attempt to avoid prosecution/sentencing by claiming mental illness? Is that even possible?

  • Observer
    • stanrogers

      Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha….[large inhale]…ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-…[repeat and fade].

    • iampissed

      Well he has the stare down.

  • Franklin Adams

    Welp. I think I broke my damn hand, can’t bend my thumb at all.
    Check it out. Last time I ever work on my own fucking car, some damn thing always happens.

    ETA: On my way to the ER. I’ll let everyone know how I’m doing later/tomorrow

    http://i.imgur.com/74Kf1pY.jpg

    • ReallyMGM

      Ouch! I think it is a really good excuse!

      • Franklin Adams

        Yeah, it hurts. Bad. But I really don’t want to go to the ER on a Saturday night, nor do I want to go to Albuquerque to do so. We’ll see. Maybe Ive got a ranger candy stashed somewhere still.

        • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

          An acute care clinic would be your best bet.

        • ReallyMGM

          ERs are the worst for a fracture anyway (unless a bone is poking out), so immobilize it and wait until you can see an ortho specialist. I broke 5 bones in my foot a few years ago, got to ER and Dr said, “Yep, you broke broke 4-5 bones. Here is a Percocet. C the ortho doc when they open about 4 hours.” Honestly, he said that. ANd it was a BAD break. If I could have I would have kicked that bast@_d!
          My ortho doc was the best dr on the planet and more than made up for it. He also said the ER dr didn’t have a clue what he was doing!

          ETA: Modify what I said. The days of just slapping a cast on a broken bone are past and an ortho specialist is rarely on duty at a hospital ER on a Saturday night (unless they are there with a big emergency and/or you are in a huge market w/ a trauma center) In my area ERs usually just send even minor breaks to ortho specialists because of any slight displacement in the alignment in the bone fragment (case in point, my husband had a small break on his thumb…surgery/cast). On the up side, the ER can do an exray, do a good job of immobilizing the injury and prescribe some kick ass drugs.

    • Chee Chalker

      Ow wee! That’s going to leave a mark! Looks like something is dislocated, but I don’t know what could dislocate there!
      Ice it
      Or is it heat?

      Hope you feel better!

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      You need to get that x-rayed, seriously. Go to a fast-track place, one of those free-standing clinics they are cheaper than going to an ER by far. (if there is one in your area..they are pretty much everywhere) I am concerned that you can’t move your thumb, that is nothing to fool around with. Your joint alignment at the base of your thumb doesn’t look right, either. See a doctor asap.

      • Franklin Adams

        I got US Government insurance, I’m good to go, but yeah I’m gonna suck it up and go to UNM before the bars let out and people get hurt doing drunken things.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Yes, please go…asap. That could be a fracture/dislocation. I’m worried about your circulation and the nerves in that area.

          • Franklin Adams

            Me too. Especially since its starting to hurt worse. And that’s never good. I’m on my way. I’ll let everyone know how it goes later or tomorrow.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Whew…..good !! I’m sure that hurts…holy cow. Let us know….

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I use the “can I fix it” test. If it is obvious I can’t fix it, then to urgent care or the ER I go.

      I vote go to the ER even if it is saturday. You might have involved blood flow, nerves or other vital structures that are getting worse by the minute. GO!

    • Woah, that doesn’t look right.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh ouch, it does look bad. Good luck Franklin Adams!

    • ReallyMGM

      Some of the ortho specialists have weekend clinics….best place for this.

    • JaxNGold

      Damn. That’s gotta hurt like hell. Hope you get fixed up asap.

    • FredEX2

      Yep. That bruising looks kinda like a bone bleed and it also looks dislocated…which means it’s quite probably broken,…or at least a deep bruise and some tissue damage 😁 Ouch! Hope you’ll be on the mend soon.

    • JJ

      I think you broke it. Rest and take what the dr gives you, Niacin won’t cut it for a break.

    • Jimmy3

      You spilled grape soda on your hand. Wash under running water. Let’s go home now.

    • Draco

      That doesn’t look right!

  • chukicita

    Hubbard admits there is nothing wrong with the universe.
    But then, suppressive people.

    The answer? Selling goods and services.

    That sounds like a business, not a religion.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5df53ac0afb9e3c4849715e8e8c54f43886080f329b2d0ef1e1b4b4e0e80e292.jpg

    • stanrogers

      Well, you have to understand the ecclesiastical meaning of “selling”, “materials” and “services”.

      • JJ

        You know, Scientology bit itself in the ass again with cremating Hubbard. The money they could have made with “Holy Hubberdian Relics”… We’re talkin’ millions here. Piece of LRH big toe $40,000. Pinkie toe, $32,000…

    • April

      That’s better than his other ideas for handling people 2.0 and below on the tone scale, which is to “dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.” He believed, at the very least they should have no civil rights whatsoever.

      “There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.
      – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

      “In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints.”
      – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145 [The “Tone Scale” is Scientology’s measure of mental and spiritual health.]

      “The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.”
      – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170″

      • JaxNGold

        Christ on a cracker. That man was such a hateful, sociopathic, vengeful bastard. Every time I read these writings of his, it pisses me off even more. And the so-called “Tone Scale”? What a sick joke.

        • beauty for ashes

          Just think Jax, he himself ventured into 1.1 territory *supposedly* in his black magick phase. He’s condemning himself then by his own words.

  • Techie

    The Duke of Chug – well I can’t figure out how to upload it without making a youtube video but if anyone knows where it is – The Ron’s Journal 38 cassette that talks about “new management” also talks about the computerized management system that is supposed to automatically find problems etc. Also called “Today and Tomorrow-the Proof”. Hubbard also talks about Incomm on this tape. It is hilariously funny because the computer makes beep noises like R2-D2 and they use a sound effect of a keyboard that sounds like an old mechanical one. You hear them typing on the keyboard and then Hubbard “reads the screen” with ridiculous statistics. It was Ron Clifford that did the “Computer Operator” voice. The music was done on the old Fairlight sampler, the same one that was used for “Windsplitter”. There are a bunch of links for it at WWP and Operation Clambake but they all seem to be broken. Rj-28 is on WikiLeaks, not the same tape. I’m signing off, time for sleep in this part of the world.

    • Great info Techie! It’s hilarious, he it talking to the CHUG computer through an operator. Clickety clickety beep beep whirr whirr.

  • My kiddo decided it’s a good idea to start a mutual roast (as in a good-natured ridicule) on a group chat with his best friends. So he wrote a little funny for everyone, covering race and every stereotype and all, but in a humorous, not mean way. He’s got friends who are of German, African, Israeli ancestry, you name it.

    Some of the best comebacks were about him using scientology as a hair gel to get chicks and such.
    He just showed it to me, we both are crying laughing!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Hmmm. “…and such.” Wow, that opened a door. Curious what that means, exactly.

      But you are right, that is hysterical

      • It’s NC-17 type of jokes. Them young adults.

    • iampissed

      I would like to say please. I will wait till ready.

  • Fink Jonas

    ”I have never lied to you or conned you and what I tell you now is true” ha!
    ETA;
    The Duke of Chug sounds very much like a Duke from 16th Century England, with tax issues, being sentenced to death, etc etc but then he places the character at millions of years ago, what a literary mishmash, while at the same time implying that he is God because he has the ability to remember as far as a quadrillion years ago (when things were very much like 16th century England) which implies that he was there so therefore he is omnipresent, but then he has no modern time lingo for the computer that ordered the killing of the Duke, knowing how blabber mouth he was he sure would have loved to use the modern day computer lingo like; bytes, megabytes, virus, spam,Flash drive,spam, biometrics, rebooting, chip, cookie, CPU, crash, cybersquatter,Download,Ethernet,Firewall,Gigabyte,Hacker,Hyperlink,Malware,Megapixel,Peer-to-peer,Phishing,Proxy server,Search engine, Touchscreen,Webhost, etc etc,etc, but the God of Scientology didn’t know modern times were ahead of him which shows he didn’t know anything about the past either, so that makes him not so very God like but a charlatan, so his cyberspace story about the Duke of Chug sounds like a black and white comic book from the 50’s very plain and limited to his time, you have to be conned to buy it.

    • Scream Nevermore

      21st century England still has Dukes like that!

  • beauty for ashes
    • Jimmy3

      Wook at dat wiw guy! Just wook at em!

      • beauty for ashes

        Whoozah puppeh?

    • JJ

      Been there, loved that….

      • beauty for ashes
        • JJ

          No I had a pure breed, he was the biggest one in the litter. Man everywhere I went I got people oohing and awing. Had I not had him neutered I probably would have had a show dog. My whole experience with puppy training class was basically pointless, aside form the fact Monty was too damn smart and stubborn. I swear that dog knew what was saying and just couldn’t care less. Like a cat in a dogs body! There was a family with a kid who followed Monty around and pet him ignoring the dog the family had.
          Chihuahua-pug. A chug? Chi-ug Piuahha, too hard to pronounce.

          • beauty for ashes

            A pughuahua!

            • JJ

              That!

          • ReallyMGM

            I am sorry you neutered him if he was show quality. Pugs are one of the easier breeds to show only requiring a few hours a week in pre-show preparation. (Then about an hour at each show.) They do have a size requirement of 14-18 weight (not height).I included the AKC breed standard (below).

            Even then he can be exhibited in ALL of the performance events regardless of being neutered and despite conforming to the breed standard. None of that stuff matter in obedience and agility as long as the dog is physically sound.
            I always encourage obedience classes for all family pets because it strengthens the companion/owner bond, plus it is just fun for everyone to learn. Even teaching tricks is building a bond even if the dog hates class.

            I will caution that anyone with a brachycephalic dog breed needs to be very careful with them in warm weather. They have unique breathing difficulties in the heat.

            I am happy you love your your pug so much!. The best owners are the ones that are perfectly matched with the dogs of their dreams. 🙂
            Pug standard: http://cdn.akc.org/Pug.pdf

            I am an animal liaison for my local kennel club and help people with their new pets. I hope this helps.(I really like pugs, too)

            (Exhibitor for 35+ years in AKC conformation, obedience and agility. My own dogs are pets first, show dogs last, all are lapdogs and sleep on the bed.)

            • JJ

              Probably wouldn’t have made the weight standard he topped out at 25, and not fat he was really tall, when he was a puppy he was all legs. I had him 15 years. Family member. I know it is a cultural thing but I freak over people who treat their pets like… property, objects… It is just so icko.
              Was sort of a crazy dream dog. I saved my money and read all I could watched shows on puppies and pugs and checked out books on the breed, got hyper watching the toy section of Westminster: “THE PUGS ON !” Finally got my pug after ten years and after a week or two… he choose my mom. I kid you not, one night he just hopped up and went into her room. Animals know who Mom is in the home… I still miss him, it’s been three years. Why can’t pets live longer. like thirty years, why can’t science make that happen instead of extending human life beyond all sense and reason and health and quality of life?

        • Rasha

          STOP THE CUTE!!!

          (but don’t)

    • Scream Nevermore

      I don’t even like dogs and I’m sitting here thinking ‘Awwwwwwwwwww’! The Cute is strong in this one.

  • Gib

    excellent talk by Chris Shelton & Nora comparing notes, which cannot be done while in the tenure of scientology culture. AKA cult..

  • What’sup

    Got this from Amazon. Pretty disappointed though, I’ve checked and double checked.

    Shelly is missing https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b826f88311a4d6c9e249f246d53f0b13f35e88b97de54c3940806c19f8aa438.jpg

    • JJ

      OMG. Do you have DM Colorforms? With the Yellow Goat shirt?

    • Scream Nevermore

      We need an SP version of that!

  • nateht

    Chug. Xenu. What a kidder, that Hubbard. Coming up with a new religion. Filling in the spaces with comic demi gods.

  • Fink Jonas

    The Duke of Chug meets the Queen of Yingling.

    • Kimmy3

      If Monique has to ever face Leah in court she will be the Yingling of Queens.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Does ‘Yingling of Queens’ mean ‘a shredded bloody mass on the floor’?

        • Kimmy3

          Yup .. blinking till her lights go out for good .

          • Scream Nevermore

            I’d travel to the USA to see that!

      • Mockingbird

        The Beauty versus the blinky !

    • Scream Nevermore

      The Duke of Earl wants in as well!

  • JJ

    Listening to the interview. The split crotch on the cheap uniforms. Gotta be some humor in the death soup!

    • Newiga

      Chris’s interview with Nora was superb. 👍

  • darb

    From the last paragraph of the first page of the 1985 newsletter:

    “Oh. of course the unholy will beg you not to do it. will fry to pervert policy and corrupt tech, will cause trouble and mock and lie and try to discourage or stop you.”

    What kind of writing is that? Uncapitalized words, misspelled words, poor punctuation, and plain rambling. It’s probably missing a semicolon too.

  • OOkpik
  • scottmercer

    YOU HOVE IT IN YOUR POWER!

  • scottmercer
  • Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Bunker.

  • I wonder if Hubbard saw this in 1983…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsycWRQrc8

    • JJ

      “It’s not a simulation…!”

  • SHAMEFUL
    The Iraqi Heroes Left Behind By Trump’s Immigration Ban
    They risked their lives for the U.S. military and have been vetted by American intelligence agencies. Now, they’re stranded in Iraq and ISIS wants their heads.
    Trump’s order prohibits Iraqis and the citizens of six other predominantly Muslim countries from entering the United States. There are no exceptions: not for permanent residents, not for those with legitimate visas—not even for heroes.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/28/the-iraqi-heroes-left-behind-by-trump-s-immigration-ban.html

    • Dave Reams

      A student of mine has a brother who was a translator for U.S. Marines in Afghanistan. After the Marines DD’d (left), the Taliban tried to dispose of his familly swiftly and with much sorrow! They could not get into the US and they split up an walked out of Afghanistan to Iran and the north to Turkey then smuggled through Greece to Italy and the smuggled onwards. The story is the same in Iraq and elsewhere.

  • Judge Blocks Part of Trump’s Immigration Ban After His Own Lawyers Can’t Justify It
    Federal judge stays part of Trump’s immigration ban after flustered U.S. Attorney admits government didn’t have time to think through “important legal issues.”
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/28/judge-blocks-part-of-trump-s-immigration-ban-after-his-own-lawyers-can-t-justify-it.html

  • Dօnald J Trump ✓ ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Believe me folks, I will issue an executive order to round up all Marcabians and freeze them in alcohol and glycol until we can build enough DC-8s to deport them back to Coltus.

  • Dave Reams

    It recently came out that the number one of Scientology used a device (or devices) to dispose of his number 2 quietly and without sorrow – hot water enemagrams to run out clusters of enturbulated BTs (bowel thetans). I believe there could be a perfectly normal explanation for this (and actually, whatever the reason – who cares? It ain’t hurting anybody … except maybe his maid Georgia). Anyway, a side of LRH’s favorite nightime nip, the drug Vistaryl (Hydroxyzine) is constipation. I can understand why COB might feel the need to “take the edge off” his high stress life but I would rather see him get good Psychological therapy.

  • Tom Klemesrud

    The “we” at the bunker is going to have a hard time reporting on the lockdown of 100 people for months at INCOMM, without mentioning the criminal assault on me at the support.com ISP, and why it has skipped them’s attention for all these years.

  • FredEX2

  • Suppressive Tomato

    “C/Os and EDs are responsible for their orgs. They’re not robots. It’s only where they aren’t pulling in money with a high powered vacuum cleaner and sending pes and auditors out glowing that Flag gets concerned.”

    *aren’t pulling in money with a high powered vacuum cleaner* says it all