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Brandon Reisdorf: Scientology complained to probation dept. over ‘Leah Remini’ appearance

 
Brandon Reisdorf got a surprise yesterday. He tells us that he heard from his probation officer, who had some questions about his recent appearance on Leah Remini’s A&E series, Scientology and the Aftermath.

You remember Brandon. He was the focus of episode 7, “Enemies of the Church.” In the episode, we learned that he chose to stick by his parents, who had been “declared suppressive persons” — deemed enemies of the church. But his brother Craig chose to stay in Scientology, and that meant he had to “disconnect” from Brandon and their parents. It devastated Brandon, who was very close to his brother and who was also dealing with undiagnosed mental health issues. (Scientology demonizes the mental health industry, and Brandon’s parents had never tried to get him standard care for what turned out to be a bipolar condition.)

In a manic episode, Brandon drove from San Diego to Los Angeles and threw a hammer through a window at a Scientology “org” there, filled with rage that his family had been torn apart. It was a simple act of vandalism, and no one was hurt. Scientology reacted, however, by pushing for Brandon to be charged with a hate crime for vandalism of a “place of worship,” which is a felony. Brandon was sentenced to probation, which runs through 2019.

He tells us that his original probation officer was well aware of his story, and had told him it would be all right for him to appear on Remini’s show. Brandon’s sentence did not come with a gag order, and even while he was serving probation for a felony, Brandon knew that he had First Amendment speech rights.

Since then, however, Brandon’s case was given to a new probation officer who was unaware of his story. And yesterday, Brandon says he heard from that officer, who told him that he shouldn’t be making any more public appearances.

He tells us he was pretty surprised to hear that, and asked what was going on. He says the probation officer had heard from an attorney with the Church of Scientology who complained about Brandon’s appearance on Leah’s show.

Brandon says his probation officer never told him which attorney had made that call, but previously it was church attorney Kendrick Moxon who had worked with prosecutors on his case.

Brandon says he explained his situation to the new probation officer. “I said that I have freedom of speech and I spoke the truth. I haven’t broken any laws, so where’s the problem?”

He says he also explained some background on the Church of Scientology.

“She quickly backtracked and said, ‘Just don’t break any laws.’ Well, I don’t plan on breaking any laws.”

He also confirmed with her that his sentence wouldn’t be affected by making an appearance on television. In March 2018, he says, he’ll be in court to see if the judge will shorten his sentence. And eventually, it will get downgraded to a misdemeanor — as long as he doesn’t violate the terms of his probation.

If the probation department does find that he’s in violation, one possible outcome would be jail time.

We sent a message to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw, asking if the church was attempting to get Brandon put in jail for talking about Scientology on Leah Remini’s show. We’ll let you know if she gets back to us.

While Scientology continues to do what it can to portray Brandon Reisdorf as a dangerous criminal, other churches are known for doing the opposite. Here’s just a sample of stories from recent years…

Medway church forgives vandals, invited to church

Hanford parishioners preach forgiveness after church vandalism

Danville church responding with love and forgiveness after second vandalism this month

Church vandal forgiven by congregation

Central Christian church forgives vandals

 
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Finding a Seinfeld Scientology Easter egg, 20+ years later

One of our readers happens to be a major fan of the Seinfeld sitcom, having seen every episode so many times, he managed to spot something that we’ve never seen pointed out before.

In “The Conversion,” an episode that first aired on December 16, 1993, George decides to become Latvian Orthodox for his girlfriend. Kramer, meanwhile, has a conversation with the priest about his effect on women, and the priest tells him that he has the “kavorka,” a special magnetism.

During that conversation, our tipster noticed that there was some kind of pamphlet on the priest’s desk. When he saw what was on it, he sent us a screenshot.

 

 
We grabbed the pamphlet, blew it up, and turned it over…

 

 
That’s definitely a Scientology publication, showing a quote about “OT” from LRH — L. Ron Hubbard. Can one of our readers nail down from what pamphlet or flier that’s taken from?

[UPDATE: Sunny Pereira tells us the message on the pamphlet is probably “Training is the positive assurance that you’ll make it to OT — LRH”]

Jerry Seinfeld at one time took some low-level Scientology courses but then ditched it when he was asked to get more serious about it. He apparently didn’t appreciate the badgering he must have gotten from the church, judging by another well known scene in an episode that takes place in a mall parking lot. You’ve probably seen it plenty of times, but if you haven’t, give it a look.

“Those Scientologists, they can be pretty sensitive,” Jerry says.

Now we’re wondering if Jerry left any other long-lost Scientology Easter eggs buried in the show!

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Kerri Kasem shills yet again for the Scientology front Youth for Human Rights in a presentation for the Wisconsin chapter of the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys…

 

 
Doing anything Friday night?

 

 
Or how about Saturday night?

 

 
These are people (including our old friend Eduardo GalΓ‘n, in the middle) who have paid actual money to learn public relations from the Church of Scientology while aboard its cruise ship the Freewinds.

 

 
Run, kid!

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on January 25, 2017 at 07:00

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BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • EDIT: Ooops, never mind, someone already beat me to it. As you were.

  • davegrille

    It would be much of a surprise if the COS gets cleaned out by their lawyers.

    • They would have to be going some. I wonder if they are not, at some point, going to be taken to the cleaners by their ‘financial advisors’.

      Miscavige must have salted a lot of money salted away in various places worldwide, with the help of wog mercenaries. He would not be able to admit to the existence of such accounts so, If Scientology approaches organisational collapse, there will be opportunities for some of its ‘investment councillors’ to exploit the chaos, take the money and run.

      • ze moo

        What, no honor among thieves?

        • None at all – and never say that to Coppers. They tend to smile, in a pitying way.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Why kill the host when you can continue to feed upon it virtually forever by letting it live?

      • davegrille

        Once celebrities like ,Nancy Cartwright ,JohnTravolta ,and Tom Cruise are out of the picture ,the stream of income is gone .There are no new celebrities joining ,hence new income.

  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    “I DON’T EVEN KNOW L. RON HUBBARD!”
    –George Costanza

    Those references were such a joy, back in the day…

  • Vaquera
    • Jack99

      Actually, only a pilot needs a co-pilot.

    • Jimmy3

      And with roughly the same intellect as the inflatable autopilot from Airplane!

      • kemist

        I don’t know, I think I’d prefer the inflatable.

        At least it would let me do my job.

      • Rasha

        Otto was WAY more qualified.

    • AntoniaW

      Jeez, pack your parachute.

    • Kim O’Brien

      ever seen a grown thetan naked ?

      • Sherbet

        Do you think they could have gotten away with those lines today?

        • Kim O’Brien

          Team America was pretty great . We evolve LOL πŸ™‚

          • Sherbet

            Pilot: Do you like movies about gladiators?
            Kim: Only if they’re wearing sarongs.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      That’s ” not true” Trish. And those folks shoveling dirty coal into your kiln need water.

  • Under the Radar

    This is Scientology’s SECRET manual from the Office of Special Affairs

    Here are the Super Secret CONFIDENTIAL tactics to handle critics.

    Please use this when you write to the government officials requesting that Scientology loses its tax exemption and religious cloak.

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/man_just.htm

    • pluvo

      Hey WOG, back under another name?

  • Robert Eckert

    Moxon supposedly have a particular hatred for this clip
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtLLEap2Oe4

  • Nat-leficent

    So does Mike Crosby (who I never noticed really before he flounced) have a point? What do you think? Scientology is interesting but the state of the state is more interesting.
    Edit: typo

    • Jimmy3

      I dunno. But Sid Crosby has lots of points.

    • Kim O’Brien

      communist

    • Sherbet

      The state of the state is more important, but it’s less interesting than scientology, but that’s just me.

      • Nat-leficent

        You are lucky.

        • Sherbet

          The state of the state is heartbreaking, no doubt about it.

        • Kim O’Brien

          read Patton Oswalds tweets .They can make the day better . not kidding

    • Kestrel

      This weekend I’m going to decide whether or not I go to HowdyCon this year. I don’t want to spend the money on airfare and hotels to hear people discuss their feelings about the most recent presidential election. I get more than enough of that on Facebook.

      • Observer

        I think it will have died down by then–after all, the inauguation was less than a week ago. At this point I’m still trying to assimilate that Trump was even elected, but I sure don’t plan to waste any breath on him at HC.

        • John Prince

          Thatta Girl! πŸ‘

      • Franklin Adams

        Its only been five days since the inauguration, by June it’ll be the same old shit again. Plus, Denver’s great in the summertime. You’ll have a good time. And hell, I know i’ll be there unless there’s a declared disaster in Region 6 or (god forbid) some Radiological/Nuclear incident in the US.

      • Kim O’Brien

        you better show up . I already bought you a pony and I liked meeting you last year πŸ™‚ i also am bringing the shot ski . it is a ski ….with shot glasses glued to it .

      • Jeb Burton

        If you dontt want to hear things that might upset you, just stay in the house.

    • Juicer77

      I would like to see the comments center more on $cientology. It’s hard enough to get away from political discussions *everywhere*. I liked the piece Tony did on Inauguration Day, and it’s well worth noting the similarities between Trump and Hubbard. But political talk certainly seems to derail things around here. Says the woman who posts funny cat pix. Pot – kettle. πŸ˜‰

      • Nat-leficent

        I fear you are the most right. I just honestly don’t know where else to go. You are the most reasonable people I’ve met on the internet.

        • Juicer77

          It’s been very hard for me – with an anxiety disorder – to listen to the hysteria over Trump (pro and con) and not get very upset. There are probably lots of people struggling with increased problems in their mental illnesses right now. It’s a stressful time. But I keep reminding myself that I have a voice that will be heard, there is a system of checks and balances in place, and I can always take a break and just turn off the screaming when I need to.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I too had a depressive episode after the election and took a break from the news all together. Then i watched Bill Mayer last night and had to take a xanax to get to sleep. I know so many people in my town that feel the same way. in my hometown of 60,000 we all of a sudden have skinheads showing up. This is a first in my little hometown anyway…

          • Franklin Adams

            Its been hard for me too. I’m a Federal employee, I’m worried about my future big time. And its not like I could just say see ya to FEMA and go over to the Energy Department, NRC or one of the labs like usual because of the hiring freeze, if I lose my job and want to stay in the Government I’d have to either re-enlist or commission in the Army which I don’t want to do anymore (and my policy about the Military with everyone is if you aren’t 100% committed to do it, don’t. Nobody needs a half-ass Soldier or even worse, an Officer who doesn’t care) or drop a level or two into State or Local Government.

            I’m actually close to terrified but I’m trying to be brave about it.

            • Juicer77

              I understand.

          • TexasBroad

            Me too Juicer…With very close friends and family very passionate on both sides of the aisle, I try to stay off the topic of politics all together because it hurts to see people I care about characterized in ugly ways (yes, on both sides) – Some days, it is exhausting. I do what you do and just take my breaks as needed. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a42e62219717ac676b2edd850a341118dc1f45ef60a06ea4756d2f80fc0effc.jpg

            • Juicer77

              Nodding.

        • Kim O’Brien

          email me any time you want to ….i will not be sleeping much for the next four years anyways …the insomnia and anxiety has already started

      • Jeb Burton

        Crazy cat ladies should be banned, unless your cat is named Miscavage.

        • kemist

          But then you’d have posts like :

          “So, I emptied Miscavige’s litter box today…”

          • Jeb Burton

            Apparently Miscavage just doesn’t only want its litter box emptied, it needs a daily enema.

            • Sherbet

              That’s the funniest thing you’ve ever said, Jeb.

          • Jimmy3

            “He hopped up on the crate, threw up a dead bird and began scratching at the podium.”

            • Franklin Adams

              Sounds like something my cats would do. Plus take a nap.

              And if Shrimpy’s still in charge when I get another one, its so getting named Miscatvige.

      • Draco

        Funny cat pix are never OT. They are the new emoticons and belong on any thread about any subject.

      • Sherbet

        I hear you, Juicer!

        If you’ll remember back about 4 1/2 years, there seemed to be a lot of general discussion about religions, and, as a Catholic, it bothered me. I think I’m open-minded pretty much, and I don’t really shock easily, and I really hope I never preached in the Bunker. However slamming religion — especially mine which is a great target for criticism — wasn’t something I wanted to stick around the Bunker and read. You may remember MidWestMom, a self-described Catholic Republican, headed out of the Bunker back then for the same reasons. As Catholicism pertains to scientology, as any religion applies to scientology, yes, that’s relevant, but it seemed some posters wanted to rant only about the Catholic church, the Pope, the pedophilia crimes…period. Again, my church has tons of flaws. I’m not going to debate it, and I respect everyone who is rabidly anti-Catholic, anti-religion, anti-any other belief. I have an atheist son, and I’m entirely cool with that.

        All this is to say is I can see Mike Crosby’s point. Like you, I’d like the Bunker discussion to stick to scientology. Yet I also think it’s up to the individual Bunkeroo whether or not he/she wants to hang around. We can’t change the rules, such as they are, in the Bunker, but we can’t expect every poster to tiptoe around our own feelings to avoid controversy.

        This post was longer than I intended. Sorry.

        • Juicer77

          Clear and concise. Thank you. πŸ™‚

          • Sherbet

            Also, Juicer, cats and wombats, recipes, songs — they may be OT, but they’re not offensive and don’t cause divisions in the Bunker. That peripheral stuff is always welcome.

            • Juicer77

              And puns!

        • Jimmy3

          I remember some troll bully calling you bunch “the Catholic Girls Choir” or something very similar. I’m Catholic too but that was funny.

          • Sherbet

            I don’t get all huffy if it’s funny. My guardian angel was Howdy, strangely enough.

        • Franklin Adams

          Hey, I’m Catholic too, and I’m from one of the “weird” rites, so I get what you’re saying about the faith.

          I see Mike’s point about what we’re supposed to be here.

          But at the same time, he wanted one rule for me and another for thee about the President, it doesn’t work like that here. Tony’s pretty clear about supporting free speech as long as its not an attempt to intimidate people, which is one of the reasons why I admire his work so much.

          I do have to also say that after enduring eight years of very thinly veiled racism and outright disloyalty about the President who I voted for and supported, its really fucking rich to hear it out of Trump sycophants who were among the worst (remember all the birther bullshit that he pushed personally?) that their precious widdle fee-fees are getting hurt because we clearly intend to behave the same way that they did. Except with perhaps the constant accusations of disloyalty and treason toned down a bit, though there’s plenty of reason to push them vis-a-vis Russia.

        • Ben Franklin

          Sherbet, there is nothing in this world that people do not hate or criticize. Criticisms are just opinions. I am glad you stayed here and did not run away. The best way to counter criticism is through debate. If someone tells me that something is red when I believe it is blue, why should I let that bother me to a point where I have to run away.

          • Sherbet

            I didn’t want to do the butt-hurt act in the Bunker or expect posters to adapt their opinions for my sake. Leaving seemed it would be easier for everyone. I’m glad I didn’t.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Mercifully there are not a whole lot of anti-$cn trumpists, like Mike C. and Skip P., out there to get overly concerned about, but the situation with them is instructive in a more general regard that’s worth pointing out. Those of us who reject $cn in toto share a common purpose with Indies in bringing about the downfall of the cult’s tiny tyrant, which should overide whatever deeper and less pressing differences that we might have with them concerning the essential value of $cn as a belief system and a practical method of spiritual transformation. We don’t need to let whatever differences that we might have there distract us from the more immediate and pressing concerns about the cherch’s systematic abuses of civil/human rights, as dictated by the cult’s supreme rullah.

        Similarly, since the election is over and Twump IS our president for at least the next four years (barring impeachment or disabling stroke, due to anger over being disrespected), our differences of opinion with duped and deluded folks like Mike concerning what is now a done deal should not prevent us from keeping our eyes on the prize of stopping the cherch’s crimes and massive civil/human rights abuse. The old adage, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” would seem to be totally applicable here, both with respect to Indies and to anti-$cn trumpists.

        Sure, we’re rightfully angry and concerned that the fate of the world has been put into the hands of a arrogant, poorly informed, thin-skinned narcissist who has never cared about anything but himself, but displacing that anger onto those who’ve been morally blinded to the clear and present danger he represents serves no effective purpose because that ship has already sailed and it won’t be returning to port for another four years. In the meantime, it seems like the most prudent course forward would be focus on the values we share and act in unison to effect the changes in $cn that we all wish to see come about.

        • It was Josef Stalin who said, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. It’s a dangerous approach, which, for him, involved turning on his allies as easily as we might change your socks.

          It’s not enough to achieve your objective if you sell your soul in the process.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Thanks, I forgot where that famous quote came from! I subscribe to the belief that most Indie $cilons who hate the corporate cherch, but continue to revere the founder and the Holy Tek, are just midway in the process of decompressing from their involvement with $cn and will eventually come to the same realization that most of us who’ve been out for decades and studied the matter closely already have. Which is that Elron was a pathological liar and a malignant narcissist who created one of the longest running religious cons in history.

            As long as their (in my eyes) mega whacked, space opera beliefs don’t involve the systematic abuse and dehumanization of others through such evil practices of coerced disconnection and fair game, then I’m more than willing to grant them as long as they need to complete that decompression. By practical example, it seems that some of those who were in the longest and drank the deepest at the Kool-Aid fount very can take decades to fully recover.

            On that view, my suggestion that we put aside any differences we might have concerning $cn as a belief system in favor of finding common cause together in bringing down the tiny tyrant isn’t anywhere near as amoral in its intent as it was for Stalin. Indeed, a big part of Indie’s understanding of why $cn is not thriving and expanding puts the blame for that negative outcome squarely on lil davey’s shoulders. So, once he’s gone and it’s vile human rights abuse practices are outlawed, the fact that $cn doesn’t work as promised, and never has, will become much easier to perceive.

            • I agree with all of that. Any Independent that leaves the ‘Church’ is, at the very least, no longer part of the organised abuse, and has an opportunity to obtain a new perspective and put Scientology behind them.

              I meant to say that making common cause with the insane Trump regime in order to bring down Scientology is a step too far. The potential liabilities outweigh the benefits.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              At this point, I think that I’d rather lose a ball than collude with the trumpists on any of their delusional and fascist plans.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        If you stop posting kitteh pix, I will leave >:-(

    • Jeb Burton

      I loved him in CS&N, but he seems to have changed a lot.

      • stanrogers

        With Mark Stills and Gordie Nash? Yeah, they were great. Especially when Norm Young sat in. I heard there was bad blood, though.

        • Franklin Adams

          Yeah that Norm’s hard to deal with. I still love “Iowa” though. Great song.

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      This primarily a Scientology blog, an anti Scientology abuse blog, not an Anti Scientology blog.
      It’s also a community of friends who come by and chat and are friends.
      Political stuff is OK if cat videos, recipes and anything else is ok, but so is telling people your not interested is OK too.
      Most people are terrified of the uncertainty and nutty behavior that Trump is exhibiting.
      It’s their fear for their country, world and way of life that they are talking about with their friends, not normal scrappy politics but this completely previously unseen situation.
      Others may not see the danger and be irritated, but it’s the fear and concern that they are mostly sharing with their friends.

      • you’ve summed up my thoughts nicely.

        my additional 2Β₯:
        i was inspired to come up with the term “hyperbollocks” (hype + hyperbolic + bollocks) when confronted with (subjectively) irrational online behavior. i choose to be here, regardless of topic, and will contribute or ignore, accordingly. i don’t block and i will not “disconnect” over a disagreement.* i definitely wouldn’t announce it. politricks isn’t really my thing but i’m keeping my peepers peeled. i like to learn and some of you have taught me a thing or two.

        *all rights reserved, subject to change without notice*

    • TheLurkingHorror

      I told my sister recently that I get all my news from the bunker, which isn’t strictly true, but I know if something important happens in the world, outside of scientolgy, that bunker commenters will be all over it and I’m fairly likely to hear it here first. I think it is natural for a community like this to discuss, argue about, and otherwise talk about and express opinions about all kinds of topics. That’s part of what makes this more of a community rather than just another comment section, imo. Yeah, it can sometimes get a little nasty, but, again imo, it is rare that it gets too out of hand.

      Also, this isn’t a message board where there is often a section for off topic conversation, so… something, something, something… blah, blah, blah, blah, blah… I’m tired of writing… hopefully y’all get the gist. πŸ˜‰

  • Kim O’Brien

    Everyone better start watching old shows with Mary Tyler Moore….. she is not doing well

    • Sherbet

      πŸ™

    • Jimmy3

      2016: Pssst… ’17, come here a sec. Let me teach you something…

    • flyonthewall

      she just passed.

    • Sarah James

      Diabetes sucks. I hope she rests in peace.

  • flyonthewall

    did Leah ever stop by? I don’t think she did. I hope nothing happened to her

    • Jimmy3

      The real Leah said hi to me on yesterday’s thread.

      • flyonthewall

        really? No she didn’t…did she?

        • Jimmy3

          The one that’s a real person. Yes. I think Leah Remini is a hologram.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      She did, but it was between 3:00 and 3:15 last night and the site was down. (joking, of course)

      • flyonthewall

        πŸ™

  • Errol

    scientologists are not trained to attack; they are trained to be scared and the perpetual attacks are a result of
    their fear. If they wanted to attack Brandon; they wouldn’t have gone behind his back (the most cowardly
    route). I hope that some day they can face their fears; but I don’t bet on it.

  • sizzle8

    Tony, How’s your Spanish?
    Here’s a Mexican critic blog.
    https://cienciologiaenmexico.wordpress.com/
    Google translate makes for some interesting, although slightly spotty, reading.

    • ReallyMGM

      Spotty is right! I use Google translate weekly/daily for translating pages from Mexico. I sometimes come away more confused than when I started. I wonder sometimes if I just went at it on my own with a book of Spanish vocabulary words and my Latin translation skills. I bet someone here can do it since Spanish is so widely spoken in the US now. Good luck!

      • I find it equally frustrating that there are a lot of excellent German books about Scientology that are utterly inaccessible to me.

      • sizzle8

        I know. This section sounded interesting (ODD is what the Dianetics center was called).

        “My 12-year-old daughter, Armando Aristi authorized her to have a boyfriend, another staff named Cesar Reyes, who was then turning 18 (actual ODD Executive Director). Of course upon learning I forbade my daughter to continue with that, since, for my opinion, the boy had too many years. I did not let her go a couple of days to ODD and they literally dragged her out and I was disciplined to prevent the expansion of ODD. All this orchestrated by Armando Aristi.”

  • Shivani33

    I’m very sorry that Brandon Reisdorf has had to experience more vicious behavior being directed at him from Scientology’s representatives. But it has not only proven to Brandon that he can keep his strength, it will make him even stronger. The evidence is here, in that Brandon not only handled the situation with probation but shared this experience for publication here. I want to thank him. I hope that he knows how very broad is the wingspan, of attention and support, evoked by him and his family.

  • nottrue
    • Sherbet

      Oh, crap. A icon and a pioneer for women executives in the TV industry.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i remember an episode of Dick Van Dyke …where the kid dreams that mommie has eyes in the back of her head cuz that is what she told him . I told my daughter that when she was really little …it worked until she was about 4 and busted the fact that mommie did not control the stop lights and the reason i could see her and guess how many fingers she had up ..was because of the rear view mirror. I think of MTM every time i remember my kid discovering humor laced with a little bit of bullshit.

      • Sherbet

        All I can hear now is, “Oh, Rob…”

        • Vaquera

          “Mr. Grant…”

          • Robert Eckert

            “You got spunk… I hate spunk.”

    • Robert Eckert
    • Franklin Adams

      That seriously sucks.

      I was sick a lot when I was a kid because of the damn Georgia-Pacific papermill burning all kinds of stuff as they knew the EPA wasn’t monitoring by a Naval Submarine Base as it would give away when the boats were there and when they werent, and watched a lot of Mary Tyler Moore and Dick Van Dyke as a result.

    • sizzle8

      She was the real deal. A piece of heaven.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” – Chuckles the Clown

      Loved your show, Mary. You will be missed. πŸ™

    • Missionary Kid

      Her role in Ordinary People proved that she was a very capable, serious actress. R.I.P.

      • daisy

        That was an excellent film. No one knew of her range until then. I admired her work with diabetes. She had juvenile diabetes. Living to be 80 was a testament to her ability to manage a very difficult and complicated illness.

    • ReallyMGM

      RIP #MaryTylerMoore🌹 An OUTSTANDING role model & advocate for woman. Many causes she was part of were done quietly, behind the scenes, hiding from the camera. My favorite “Mary,” is the funniest 5 minutes ever on TV. (Chuckles the Clown’s funeral)
      https://youtu.be/TJny78bpsgo

    • PickAnotherID

      At least 2016 didn’t get her.

  • Ooh! Allfrauddie in Sacramento! Can we expect a repeat of Sunday’s terpsichorean extravaganza? (Trip the light fantastic, don’t rip your tight elastic): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4a26dcc83c937ec80edfa8ff7d13265dd92fd0c4b2cf1f7dc2aab723ea903b1d.jpg

  • joan nieman

    Keep up the good work Brandon. You have already come out ahead.

  • Cult spin and lies.
    No, he did *NOT* throw a hammer at a PLACE OF WORSHIP.
    Rather, it is PLACE OF money extortion, money rip-off on false claims and in lower underground levels of that building sadism and atrocities (RPF and RPF’s RPF) daily slave labor occurs of hapless penniless Sea org members who cannot escape.

    *PRIOR* to Brandon driving to Los Angeles in his melt down, the following occurred:::::
    1)The cult extorted, cajoled, co-erced him to donate $60,000 on credit cards.
    Money he did not have as he was merely a staff member making a pittance in wages.
    He was now in $60,000 debt with only ability to pay minimums
    2) Brandon poor baby, endured and lived through the mind numbing hypnotic mesmerizing OBJECTIVE processes day after day. week after week, month after month.
    “You look at the wall.
    You walk over to that wall
    You touch that wall” etc etc etc hour after hour after hour, several hours a day, for MONTHS.
    The Cult was not addressing any mental issues he did have while faking superior mental authority to handle and gouging money for it, here is a perfect example of the End Product after their deluge of Scientology counseling. An act of vandalism.

    Brandon in middle with his 2 brothers.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a68b174bfae9ca115330852b6e8f31ee7b05ccd40c302c2e8b7d0202c95b047.jpg ling

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Exactly! And let’s not forget that he was also subjected to the Lisa M. Rundown as the cherch-mandated “treatment” for his serious mental health problems. So the cult had already tacitly acknowledged that he had those problems and taken charge of his alt treatment, thus assuming responsibility for ensuring that it was effective, which it obviously was not.

      I don’t know how closely linked in time his “treatment” by the cherch and his act of vandalism against a place of non-worship were, but a good argument could be made that Brandon’s underlying predisposition to mental illness was exacerbated and precipitated by the very activities that the cherch had prescribed to make him more stable and more sane.

      Since $cn is always 100% effective when standardly applied, according to the infallible Word of Elron, any bad result must of necessity be the fault of the individual who experienced it. As a consequence, if you draw attention to that poor outcome publicly, you MUST be scapegoated by the cherch in order to keep the flock from questioning the validity of the supposedly 100% effective system.

      Never content to just destroy ex-members lives, lil davey must always twist the knife after the mortal blow has been struck, just to satisfy his sadistic desires. Folks who take pleasure in seeing others being publicly humiliated and ridiculed are, by definition, unfit for leadership positions within any organization. But in ones like $cn that have a strict top-down military-style power structure and utilize duress, fear and threat to ensure compliance, sadistic sociopaths like lil davey are particularly dangerous and destructive when they rise to positions of control.

      • Yes indeed. Brandon was put through the “Introspection Rundown” prior to this incident.

    • Ben Franklin

      One day I would love to see someone challenge the Church of Scientology in court regarding the notion that they have a “place of worship”. Scientology cannot have a place of worship because they do not worship.

      By definition the word worship means “the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity, divine being, or supernatural power”. As far as I know CoS has never claimed publicly that they worship any diety, god, or supernatural being.

      The church should not claim to own a “place of worship” because whatever it is they do in those buildings is not Worship as per the definition of the word.

      • ze moo

        It is, by virtue of the 93 IRS agreement, it is a tax exempt 501c3 corporation. The only one that is allowed to charge set fees for it ‘services’.

      • Good one Ben.
        There is no God in Scientology.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u5bAfcq5kA&t=32s

      • The problem with this is that ‘religion’ is a far, far, more varied concept than it typically understood by people who have experienced only one religious tradition.

        The ‘place of worship’ approach would also apply to Buddhists who, surely, have done little harm to anyone.

    • Glen

      Actually that is Brandon on the right, with Craig in the middle.

      • I was wondering myself. Great points other than that.

  • Vault Digger

    OT: Leah Remini to talk with Conan O’Brien https://twitter.com/aetv/status/824352458898100227

    • Jimmy3

      They must be planning to air that missing episode soon. Why else would she still be promoting the show?

      I’m just gonna sit back, light a cigarette and admire my detective skills for a moment.

      • Ben Franklin

        They are still cashing in from the re-runs of season one.

        • Mick Roberts

          Good. I hope they keep cashing in on the re-runs. Everyone needs to see these shows.

  • Chee Chalker

    Is this Eduardo the Colombian equivalent of Joy Villa?
    Or the Colombian equivalent of Kuba Ka?
    The way things are going the Co$ is going to have to open a Quasi-Celebrity Center
    Or a Celebrity ‘Considered’ Center

    They can put it next to thier Washed Up Celebrity Center

    • DoveAlexa

      D-lister center shaped like a very tall and narrow white cone?

      • Chee Chalker

        Surrounded by orange construction plastic fencing….

    • Ella Raitch

      Celebrity ‘adjacent’

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    REAL religions: We’re willing to forgive you.
    $cientology : Footbullet #4,747

  • nottrue
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      The real Pope: compassion and forgiveness.
      The pretend Pope of Scientology: arseholery.

      • flyonthewall

        The Young Pope: kinda pretentious and artsy but cool overall

        • Kim O’Brien

          and hot . obviously pope Jude Law is hot

          • Tony Ortega

            I couldn’t get through the first episode. And I really did try.

            • flyonthewall

              it was watchable I guess, enough for me to finish the episode anyway, but def not something I want to get into

              eta – it did look really good, set and costume wise

            • Vaquera

              I’ve watched all four episodes and am still waiting for the dang story to start.

            • flyonthewall

              eesh, srsly? That’s no good. A lot of palace intrigue etc I bet. The premise is kinda silly, I mean who really cares about the Vatican? If it was set in old times when they had actual power and controlled kingdoms, moved armies etc that’d be neat, to me anyway. But the Vatican in modern times? *shrug* They’re irrelevant.

            • Vaquera

              Head over to PBS and watch Victoria. Love me a period drama.

            • Ella Raitch

              Like Carrie?

            • Kim O’Brien

              i hung in there . he has to take his shirt off eventually

            • flyonthewall

              did you see him in AI? He was a sex robot

            • Kim O’Brien

              if i gotta plug him in …i’m really not interested

            • Rasha

              Also Sky Captain. But not in A.I.

            • flyonthewall

              you know, somehow I have not seen that one yet

            • Rasha

              It’s a fun tribute to 50’s sci fi.

          • flyonthewall

            yes and hot. Idk how I left that out

        • Franklin Adams

          I liked it but don’t tell my Priest or my Metropolitan or else ill be fasting until Akathistos. I told ya’ll I’m in one of the other rites, I’m Byzantine. Same rite Andy Warhol belonged to.

          • flyonthewall

            did you ever meet Andy Warhol at church or anything?

            • Franklin Adams

              Would have been undoubtedly cool, but nope. I was also very young when he died.

              He did attend mass like almost every day at a Latin Rite church in NYC until he died but he maintained Eastern traditions, like crossing yourself what would be seen as “backward” by the Latin Rite so he didn’t usually take communion, we’re not supposed to in Latin Rite churches unless there is no alternative though, so it may have been a desire to be respectful of their rite’s particular practices.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Please can Obs or anyone else point me in the direction of Scientology’s wedding vows? The one with the comb and the cat. We have a friend who did parts of her degree on Scientology and she’s now doing her masters. For one of her modules she’s looking at weddings and marriage within Scientology. I want to be sure I give her the correct link, not a piss-taking one. I know it’s hard to tell them apart…

    • Is that a joke? Scientology wedding vows is very googleable.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Actually, no! I found some that were clearly piss-takes, but the original is already so silly I just wanted to be certain. Someone else has actually found her the info, now, though πŸ™‚

        • I see.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Somebody has down-voted your original comment – hopefully by accident. But it wasn’t me. You are perfectly correct: I should have been able to locate the vows myself.

        • Rasha

          Was there much difference between the piss-takes and the actual farcical crap ceremony?

    • Be warned – the daft Hubbard version with the cat and the pans now seems to have been publicly replaced with this kind of thing (official Scientology site) http://www.scientology.org.uk/faq/inside-a-church-of-scientology/double-ring-ceremony.html and Hubbard’s equally twee naming ceremony with this more portentous nonsense http://www.scientology.org.uk/faq/inside-a-church-of-scientology/recognition-and-naming-service.html

      The originals might be available in “The Background, Ministry, Ceremonies & Sermons of the Scientology Religion” a now-rare book which dates back to 1970 (relevant extracts at the bottom of this (non-Scientology)) page https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TomCruise/wedding-ceremony.html

      That’s a bit of an obstacle, because references to websites which purport to reproduce the material might not be considered sufficiently reliable to use as a reference.

      Presumably your friend did her dissertation on the subject of Scientology in the course of a degree in social science, and is contemplating a presentation in a module on a related subject…

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        No, that’s great. She will be interested in the evolution of the vows.

        (PS. I didn’t go to uni. I know “degree” and “masters” and “module”. The bits in between are guess work!)

        • sizzle8

          I guess Disqus doesn’t provide for private messages. I think I have a copy somewhere.

          • If you have a scan of that (or were willing to lend out the book, so that I could scan it) I would be extremely grateful – and you can contact me via https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Thank you, that’s really kind of you, Sizzleeight πŸ™‚ It seems she has enough on the vows, but it looks like O_B could use definitely use a scan if you have the original book.

    • sizzle8
      • stanrogers

        …then again, perhaps not.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Ask her to investigate how many same-sex marriages have taken place in $cientology “Churches” while she is at it.
      I’m sure Paul Haggis will be happy to help her, also Nora.

      Here are the pans and cats, referenced from Wiki.
      Once_Born’s reference is the source.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb77113ce31d3032dbff4e2e95d7fb9e876277bdf72f7ba00b754fd95a4c54f7.jpg

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Thank you, lovely Pan πŸ™‚ That’s a really great idea. The focus of her essay is “The Importance of Marriage in Scientology compared to Christianity”.

        • Techie

          I’ll give you a clue about the importance of the sacrament of marriage in the Sea Org. If you get married you can live in your own room. Maybe it is tiny, but you are not in a four-layer tall bunk bed in a room with dozens of others. This is a vitally important consideration, but it could be negated if you get assigned to a different organization, nation or continent than your spouse. In that case it is back to the dorm. The next big plus to marriage is you can no longer be sent for years on the RPF for having sex. Unless you have unacceptably kinky sex, or have it during the wrong hours, or etc. etc. More of a problem than you might think, because spouses are often on separate schedules and may not see each other for weeks even though they sleep in the same bed. But at different times. If a couple works out all those kinks and arranges a decent marital arrangement, one more major hurdle awaits. The woman may not get pregnant. As I understand it the arrangement now is not forced abortion, but you are supposed to get sent as a couple to some failing lower organization in the boonies, where you are supposed to raise your child on something like $25 a week.If you happen to live at the International Base, all these points are moot. New marriages are not allowed there. To sum up, marriage in the Sea Org is about as important as the color of the hymnal in Christianity. A barely tolerated tradition, kept around because otherwise folks would masturbate and you can’t have that. In the larger world of Scientology, marriage is revered as a way to produce future innocent Sea Org members that don’t know any better. Divorce is frowned upon, a couple nearing divorce is supposed to spend extra $$$ on special Scientology “marital counseling”. Which has to do with your mutual transgressions, surprise surprise. But everything in $cientology costs extra, so expensive special counseling is par for the course.

          • Rasha

            *swoon*

          • It’s marriage Jim, but not as we know it.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’ve passed that on. You’re a star, thank you very much, Techie πŸ™‚

      • Joe

        God, the chauvinism is just dripping off those vows. . .

        Hear that ladies? You MAY have needs!

        • April

          Nah. The only needs we have are a pan, comb and perhaps a cat. O.o

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        #TeamWork!

        I mentioned to our friend (on Facebook) what you suggested and in under one minute Nora had offered to scan over a copy of the marriage ceremony.

        ETA. Kerry said “Tell Pan: for my dissertation in the summer I am doing a 20,000 word essay on gender constructions and sexuality in Scientology.” Noice.

    • Observer
    • grundoon

      The Scientology Wedding Ceremony was originally issued as part of Professional Auditors Bulletin [PAB] 84, 15 May 1956, page 421. It was reprinted in Red Volume 2 (1954-56).

      Several variants were given under “Forms of Service for the Celebration of Marriage” in the 1974 publication The Scientology Religion. Sorry I don’t have scans or links.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I really appreciate it, Grundoon.

    • grundoon
      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Thank you, thank you!

        • grundoon

          You are most welcome.

    • grundoon

      Write two
      Words to
      A line –

      Start each
      With a
      Capital letter –

      Et voila!
      Vogon poetry!

  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • Sherbet

      Bob Crane on the conga drum.

  • Shivani33

    I don’t find that I’ve done enough to help Brandon Reisdorf just by commenting here. It led to the question: what can be done? Then I remembered what was done by a large group of “us”, more than 20 years ago, to help someone in similar circumstances. And it worked, helping to make the difference between prison or probation for a man in some serious trouble with the law.

    We wrote letters to the judge beforehand to stand up for the defendant, for his good character, offering personal experiences, supporting him in whatever ways that each of us could. About 60 of us attended his sentencing. His lawyer knew that many of us would be there. He said something to the judge to acknowledge our presence and asked us to stand up in the courtroom in Orange County, California. The Judge asked a few of us our names and professions and was visibly impressed with our peaceful strength in numbers and for our willingness to vouch for our friend and/or acquaintance.

    Could this kind of activism assist Brandon Reisdorf?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I know nothing about the America justice system but wouldn’t that have been more suited to the original judgement phase? I think what you did for your friend was incredible, by the way.

      • Jimmy3

        You’re mostly right, but he does say he’ll be back in court in March 2018 with a chance to have his original sentence reduced. Letters of support may help then, but who knows.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I think it would need to be people who know Brandon well professionally or personally for the character testimonies to be given any weight. Do you think?

          • Jimmy3

            No. I think judges will factor in the opinion of random, anonymous internet commenters… But it really heavily depends on their comment/upvote ratio.

  • flyonthewall

    I think it’s prob true that Slenderman is a Scientologist

    • Jimmy3

      Bob Slenderman from accounts receivable? Really? I thought he was Jewish

      • Kim O’Brien

        you are thinking about Bobby Slenderburg . The guy from advertising . You know …the one who gets to leave early on Fridays

        • Rasha

          Oh, that’s right. I was thinking of Stan Slenderson in the warehouse. Only guy who can reach the upper shelves, and let’s face it, kinda awkward at the Christmas party, but he does a great “Ministry of Silly Walks” impression….

          • Kim O’Brien

            the girls in the secretary pool think that a tall man means a long …you know ( shy giggle ) So they LOVE that act πŸ˜‰

      • flyonthewall

        you can be both according to Scientology.

        Do you think Muslim Scientologists face Flag when they pray 5x a day?

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t think Muslim Scientologists have the slightest idea which direction they’re facing.

        • Dave Reams

          Them there Scientologists wern’t no dummies when they called “Flag the Mecca of the Scientology religium” uncle Jed! Them NOI Muslins sure nuff be honest when they say they prayin to Mecca when they be bending over for Scientology the way cousin McConnell does for that New York possum wig fellow.

          Pecunia sermo, somnium ambulo
          – Paul Beatty

          * https://www.scientology.org/faq/the…of-scientology/what-is-flag.html

    • kemist
      • flyonthewall

        that shitbird sob

        tell him I hate him

    • Observer
      • flyonthewall

        oh yeeaahh, a classic

  • mandymarie20

    Kerri Kasem is a Scientologist activist? The woman featured in a Reelz special decrying the abuse of her father by denying him medical care and keeping him from his family? Does she not know anything about her “faith”? Clearing physical problems with the mind and disconnection ring a bell?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    “Trump considering an executive action to order NASA to develop time travel and transport an additional one million spectators back to the Washing DC mall at 12:00 noon on January 20, 2017.”

    • Robert Eckert

      Doesn’t he realize that that would create a million time travellers trying to go back and strangle him in the cradle?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        *Determinedly stifling guffaws*

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        That of course would cause an infinitely regressive grandfather paradox that would heterodyne into the core quantum explosion of the big bang. Again.

        • Rasha

          …yeah, but worth it.

        • Perhaps not – the ‘Many Worlds’ interpretation of quantum mechanics suggests that every time you changed the past (if you could) you would split off a new universe where things happen differently – but the original remains unaffected. You ‘just’ create a new thread in the tapestry of the multiverse.

          Perhaps Trump would like a universe in which he was (after progressive alterations) the absolute focus of attention. I don’t know that it would matter to him if there was nobody else in that timeline except him and his yes-men.

          • Jimmy3

            Oh god… What if we ARE in that thread of the multiverse?

            • No. In this one, I’m God, and that’s much better… isn’t it?.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m okay with that. Carry on.

            • Yes… its a wonderful life, isn’t it?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            The “trousers of time” – for those who love Pratchett.

            • I never got around to Pratchett – I’m more your David Deutsch. However, that’s a pretty good image – as long as you realise that each leg of the trousers can subdivide almost endlessly, leading to a garment that would be very difficult to put on in the morning.

    • jane456

      I’m gunna call him Don Peron….what do you think? It’ s nuts and it’s not even one full week!? At least Eva Peron threw some entertainment in with the graft.

    • daisy

      I have said June 20 2017 was the day that future time travelers would go back to , to save the world.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    As one of the people who has had more than one venemous dig at
    Trumplestiltskin on this blog, I am astonished by the rage-quits by
    supporters of a man who lies every time he opens his mouth.
    Snowflakes much?

    The racist birther movement had as it’s proponent in chief for years
    a man who is now President of the United States of America.
    I despise racists, liars and bullies.
    It is one of the reasons $cientology is a worthy opponent.
    But it is, as a movement, symptomatic of something far more vast
    and far more dangerous.
    Delusion and a lack of critical thinking are not solely to be found in
    cults.

    Someone today suggested that the current incumbent of the White
    House has “more balls” than any president ever.
    An astonishing thing to say, betraying a total lack of any study of
    history, recent or ancient.
    Especially since it refers to a man who has several deferments for
    heelspurs, whatever that is, a man accused of sexual agression,
    a man who mocked a disabled reporter and thought it funny, a man
    proud of never contributing to the Commonwealth through taxes for
    decades, a man who lies about his lies.
    John McCain?
    Running from paying his bills?

    The parallels with Hubbard are clear.

    I have young children.
    The threat that Trump and his cabal of rogues – Bannon et al. –
    represent to their lives, their future, is undeniable to all who have
    a bare minimum of scientific understanding.

    The Alt-Right label is false.
    It really means white racist facists and supremacists.
    It represents a sterile evolutionary cul-de-sac.

    A dead planet is bad for business.
    Even Wall Street knows this.
    But short-term greed and kleptocracy motivates many.

    Ending $cientology’s abuses is important.
    Cats and wombats and funny gifs are too.
    But my baby is also.
    I will fight to defend him, with the tools I have.
    Satire, puns, humour, intelligence.
    If it bothers you, be glad the First Amendment still exists.
    $cientology would prefer it did not.
    So would Trump.

    “Blind trust?
    I don’t need one.
    Almost 25% of the eligible voters put their blind trust in me.
    That’ll do me just fine.”

    “Blind trust?
    I don’t need one.
    Almost 20,000 of the remaining clams put their blind trust in me.
    That’ll do me just fine.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/227676654c72475bb5ab7b6796450402662d9e1f343380ff073b8396f7b9015d.jpg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’m afraid I am with Pan all the way on this.

      • MissCandle

        Don’t be afraid,

    • Kim O’Brien

      standing ovation and I am with you and Andrea

      edit – and the ” alt right ” comment is spot on .” If we see a man fucking a goat ..we do not call him
      an ” alt-farmer” ..we call him a goat fucker ”

      ~tweet by someone

    • Dave Reams

      Bless you Pan!

      (But yes, Trump does have more balls … he has us all by the proverbial balls!)

      • daisy

        Do not forget equal billings he has the women by the pussy , he said so himself.

        • Dave Reams

          When you”re a charmer you feel like a fraud
          When you’re a charmer you hate yourself
          – Aimee Mann

    • Observer
    • Frodis73

      ^^^This. Screw Trump and his supporters. I have NO patience for their BS. If they are too arrogant, dumb, whatever to see how this is different…see ya!

    • Jimmy3

      Very well said. It is unfortunate that your recommendation for United States Poet Laureate has been denied without consideration.

      • flyonthewall

        politics man, politics!

    • daisy

      Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      I liked this article, it seems to explain the NPD disorder well. I truly hope he can be reigned in and it’s not so bad, but it doesn’t look good.
      https://goodmarriagecentral.wordpress.com/2017/01/25/and-so-it-begins/

    • Harpoona Frittata

      So very well said!

      “I despise racists, liars and bullies.
      It is one of the reasons $cientology is a worthy opponent.
      But it is, as a movement, symptomatic of something far more vast
      and far more dangerous.
      Delusion and a lack of critical thinking is not solely to be found in
      cults.”

      Whoever coined the phrase “post-factual era,” in describing how little difference exposing calculated lies and purposeful misrepresentations made in discrediting Twump had it exactly right. Without a broad and deep understanding of history, an education that develops critical reasoning skills and a respect for facts, coupled with a disgust for those who would pervert them, we’re pretty much screwed and then tattooed. This election cycle brought into plain view exactly how far down that dark path we’ve already come and if Twump hadn’t come along to embody the zeitgist of this benighted moment, then someone else surely would have.

      I’ll be the first one to admit it if I’m proved wrong, but based on my understanding of history and of the malignant narcissists and sociopaths who’ve risen to power in the past, the only question here is exactly how bad the results of electing this dangerously unfit individual will be. And even if we’re lucky enough to survive relatively unscathed through four years of his “midnight in America” vision, the much deeper endemic problems that enabled him to rise to power in the first place will still be with us.

    • 4chanpartyvan

      There’s an old saying”You get the government you deserve”maybe its true maybe not.
      I think Trump woke up the silent majority,those utterly sick of the safe space,nanny stae,dont offend,acceptance and tolerance crowd,those who act as the moral police telling us what we can and cant say.
      Maybe some good will come from the next 4 yrs who knows but it is 4 yrs maybe some should pull back on the whining,sulking,petty insults and value judgements you dont want to use up all your energy in the first couple of months.
      .

      • Jimmy3

        He woke up the ‘silent majority’ without winning the popular vote? Did they sleep through the election, and he won the electoral college anyway? He just woke them up after he lost the popular vote? How does this silent majority thing work in your alternative fact reality?

      • Frodis73

        He lost the popular vote, there is no majority. All he did was make it ok for people to be mean assholes to each other.

        • 4chanpartyvan

          people have always been assholes to each other,they have never needed permission.

          • flyonthewall

            so what were “the silent majority,those utterly sick of…” complaining about then?

            • 4chanpartyvan

              read what i wrote its right there.

            • flyonthewall

              if people have always been mean to each other and don’t need permission then what is this supposed silent majority who are sick of being told what they can and cannot say so mad about? Those two statements contradict each other. If you don’t need permission to be an asshole and people have always been assholes then how is there some silent majority of people who are tired of being told what they can and can’t say? I thought they never needed permission?

            • 4chanpartyvan

              okay your having troubles reading.Those were 2 separate comments on 2 unrelated subjects.
              one was about an OPINION i have about the silent majority
              2 was in response to a comment that alluded to the fact that now Trump is in power people have carte blanche to be assholes to each other.
              Why have you put them together?

            • flyonthewall

              o.O unrelated? Sounds like you’re the one having comprehension issues

        • beauty for ashes

          I thought he said,” You get the government cheese you deserve.”

          • flyonthewall

            govt cheese is freakin tasty. You ever had a grilled cheese sandwich with those huge long blocks of govt cheese? That shit is the bomb

        • Kim O’Brien

          trump did NOT lose the popular vote . he WON the unpopular vote .

          Winning !!

      • Nat-leficent

        Troll for a life.

    • Nat-leficent

      This Southern Border Wall will be a disgrace. A national monument to hate.

      • And an ineffective one, at that.

        More of a monument to the exploitation of xenophobia, for the purpose of obtaining power, perhaps.

        • Nat-leficent

          Power has been obtained. Maybe it’s about retaining power. For certain it is about reinforcing the myth of white supremacy and cultural “contamination”

      • Frodis73

        Yep!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      He had a modeling job @ Hemet! HA!

      • beauty for ashes

        Is it me, or is that not the stupidest show ever? I want to bury my head in the ground, so I don’t have to hear about it.
        ps ~your joke was still funny:)

        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          No, it’s not just you! πŸ™‚

  • beauty for ashes

    Brandon should be proud of one thing. He is taking full responsibility for his mental illness.(Something I have to work to do too, although I struggle with depression and anxiety) He is taking good care of himself, and complying with the law for even a harsh punishment. That’s a lot coming from a manic state till here. Not everybody gets this far. I have a nephew that we are all praying for who is bipolar, who was once a promising med student hoping to specialize in neurology. It breaks my heart to say he has been in and out of hospitals, police custody, and lives in his car. He refuses to take meds of all things, a med student.
    I know this is anecdotal but as I have repeatedly said , my large family has a great history of mental illness, especially bipolar. So I am scared for him. If he cannot achieve some sort of stability, I fear for his safety.
    I just want to congratulate Brandon, for going from Scientology to Psychiatry successfully too. I think his family support makes a huge amount of difference as well. Best wishes to you Brandon for your future!

    • Rasha

      Yep, it is the kind of state you only can know if you’re there. Facing it isn’t the cure, but it’s a key moment – recognizing and trying to understand it. The medical and psychiatric sciences are vital, and treatment without stigma is most important…

      • beauty for ashes

        Absolutely! So many things I could say back my brain just stopped working.
        Wanna jump on the trampoline with me? I feel like I haven’t seen you in a while!

        • Rasha

          Already there!!! I was somewhere between re-watching “Withnail And I” and writing poetry, and thought I’d just listen to Perfume. ^_^

          • Rasha
            • beauty for ashes

              They are so cute!

            • Rasha

              They so are!!! <3

          • beauty for ashes

            This song has been rambling through my head. Do you think it means anything if I’ve had muppet dreams almost every day this week?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMR5JVo21wQ

            • Rasha

              Yes. I do think it means something. *rewatches a few more times*

            • beauty for ashes

              Big bird hitchhiking tee hee!

            • Rasha

              *laughing*

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Oh my god, that poor man. His life must feel like one huge struggle πŸ™

      I love your words about Brandon. It’s obvious you have clear empathy for his situation.

      • beauty for ashes

        He is still young, (under 30) I KNOW, he is brilliant, he just has to accept help and get stable. I will Openly beg for prayers/good vibes here~ his name is Shaun.

        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          Lots of Hope, Love & Prayers for Shaun! <3

          • beauty for ashes

            Thanks you Joy, you are such a LOVE and a joy! <3 <3 <3

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              Aaaw, how sweet of you! Thanks, Beauty! πŸ˜€ <3

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Good vibes and love for you, Shaun (and for you, Beauty).

          • beauty for ashes

            Back atcha you adorable lily throated Brit! πŸ™‚ <3 <3 <3

        • lori banister

          Love and prayers to all of you. X

          • beauty for ashes

            thanks Lori, I love your mustache <3

        • Bavarian Rage

          Prayers ascended, Beauty.

    • Frodis73

      I am so sorry to hear about your nephew, it is so hard to not be able to help. If you can get him to read, check out An Unquiet Mind (link below). The woman that wrote it is bi-polar and made it through school to be an (evil) psychiatrist. One of the best books describing the whole not taking meds, among other things. Actually his parents, friends,family may all find this book helpful; it very much helped me out.

      https://www.amazon.com/Unquiet-Mind-Memoir-Moods-Madness/dp/0679763309

      • There is a book called “The Psychiatrist who cured the Scientologist” https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/665/ which was written (and self-published) by a young (second-generation) Scientologist who was suffering from undiagnosed bipolar disorder.

        It’s not a literary masterpiece, but is sincere and well worth reading.

        When he left Scientology, he bravely went into psychiatric care. He describes his treatment and how he was all the better for it.

        In contrast, his treatment by Scientology included sending him away to an isolated compound for years- he was punished for his mental illness in the same way that patients were once tormented by bad doctors in Victorian times.

        It’s a strange irony that Scientology, which is constantly banging on about supposed ‘psychiatric abuses’ actually behaves more badly than doctors did during the prehistory of scientific medicine.

        • Frodis73

          That sounds very interesting and I will add that to my oh so long wish list. I have often wondered if there was every a book about that exact thing too! The comparison between modern psych care and scientology from an ex’s point of view would be fascinating.

        • Bavarian Rage

          Pot, meet Kettle.

      • beauty for ashes

        I should send this to his mom, thanks Fro <3 <3 <3

  • Fucking politics.

    • Jimmy3

      In Mother Russia, politicians vote on you.

    • Politics was once called, “the art of the possible”. A process of getting civil matters settled in a civilised way through negotiation and compromise – making it all work with minimum conflict.

      Ideology, on the other hand, is about intolerance and treating compromise as evidence of weakness. Ideology divides and brings about conflict. It’s for people who do not understand &/or are not capable of politics.

      Fucking ideology is giving politics a very bad name.

      • I so agree…It’s tragicomic how some get mixed up in this

  • An impressive LGBT multi-lie from 2005:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/homophobia-claims-dog-scientology-article-1.633209

    “Scientology spokeswoman Gaetane Asselin scoffed at the suggestion that celebrities like twice-married Cruise, Lisa Marie Presley, Kirstie Alley and Isaac Hayes embrace a theology that sees gays as weak or
    demented. “Mr. Hubbard abhorred discrimination in all its forms,” Asselin told us. “In today’s liberal society,” she argued, the church encourages any relationship that is “ethical.” But, she added, “Subjects such as homosexuality and same-sex marriages are not widely debated in Scientology.”

    See how she slides the word “ethical” in there, pretending that it means the same inside Scientology! And then the use of “not widely debated” to cover over “we don’t discuss it ever because it never happens!”

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thank you, Mr Mycroft.

  • nottrue
    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      Wow, I can’t believe Lego made this! I suppose even the Danish are a tiny bit disappointed.
      I’m glad to see they didn’t use larger bricks, so even tiny hands could play.

    • JJ

      Dude, too many colors! These ain’t Skittles!

  • What’sup

    Still a political hotbed ’round these parts I see. It’s Australia Day today so public holiday for the nation. I will be staying true to tradition and bbqing, hangin’ by the pool, listening to the worlds largest music democracy countdown the Hottest 100 and getting what the kids these days call “turnt” with my “squad”.

    He’s not my President……..no, really…he’s not.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “turnt” with my “squad”

      We don’t need to know about your bathroom habits, thank you very much. Have a fabulous Australia Day! Sling a shrimp on the barby for me, would you?

      • What’sup

        It’s a Prawn…. but I certainly will.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I had to Google it because I couldn’t remember exactly what I wanted you to throw on the barby. I typed the words “throw a something on the barby” in the search engine and the lying bastard told me shrimp. I don’t even like shrimp!

          • Observer

            That was the catchphrase in the Australia tourism ad which showed here in the 90s.

            You’re making a valiant effort on Tony’s FB post, btw. I bet you don’t get an answer from either of them.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              It’s such a striking example of thought ricochet. As startling as the quote is, of greater significance is the actual person who is being quoted and what that means for the subject of the quote (can you see me carefully trying not to mention politics?), yet it seems to be impossible to process because to do so would be to permit the faintest doubt to enter into minds still rosy from the inauguration. Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever tiptoed so hard around a subject πŸ˜€

            • Observer

              VWD!

    • Frodis73

      I am going to celebrate with you…I can fake being Australian, well enough I think.

      • What’sup

        Here’s something to help you feel at home even though you’re a world away.

        66 of the songs in this years Hottest 100 are by Australian artist. This is a heavy favourite to be Numero Uno. Beautiful.
        https://youtu.be/Y-IoluTnuKs

      • daisy

        i hope you saw all the Happy Birthday wishes yesterday. I also hope you had a nice day too.

        • Frodis73

          No i did not…my net went down and just got it back a couple hours ago. Thank you to everybody that wished me a Happy Birthday…it was on Saturday tho and I totally forgot about it because of the march. πŸ™‚

          • Robert Eckert

            Well then HAPPY BIRTHDAY! now that you’re paying attention

    • Ella Raitch

      Happy Straya Day mate

      • What’sup

        Back at ya, cobber.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Happy Straya Day, Ella πŸ™‚

        • Ella Raitch

          Thanks sweetheart

  • Vaquera
    • Rasha

      “…I’m Catman…”

      • Robert Eckert

        You win the Internet for today!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That is the prettiest kitty! She looks just like my Pebbles, may she rest in peace under mum’s cherry tree.

    • beauty for ashes

      whozah KITTEH!!!!!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • MarcabExpat

      I legit love this exchange. These people have retained their sense of humor and should go ahead and blow! The jokes are even better out here!

      • JJ

        It is a sign you don’t belong in Scientology if you can maintain a sense of humor. I mean Hubbard did say We don’t do funny. This is deadly serious shit.. Emphasis shit and deadly.

        • That’s what I was thinking – isn’t that light online exchange J&D, requiring a visit to ‘ethics’ and an appropriate punishment.

        • MarcabExpat

          Exactly. Betcha they’re all UTRs already!

  • Observer
    • ze moo

      I love the WWXD one!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        That’s my favourite, too!

    • Kim O’Brien

      you are so awesome . i saw this a few weeks ago and i have already bought 3 shirts for prizes LOL

    • JJ

      I have an idea for a tee shirt and no means to make it, someone see if they can do this:

      Scientology only thinks they want me, I am a PSS

      POTENTIALLY SUPPRESIVE SQUIRREL

      I am thinking a outline of a squirrel maybe flipping the bird would be a good back ground…? ala the fuzzy finger flipper of 1970’s fame, remember those…

  • ze moo

    Brandon Reisdorf is just another target of the infamous ‘fair game doctrine’ inherent in Clamatology. While it may have been meant to just scare him into silence, it sure boomeranged. By publishing that attempt, Brandon put the clampire on notice that they could not use the probation department to do their dirty work. His probation department was again schooled in the ways of the clam and are now forewarned.

    But they did publicize their nefarious actions and therefore put some fear into others who might have stories to tell. OSA will call that a win. The rest of the world will just put it down to more $cieno craziness. And the more $cieno craziness, the more they attract their target audience. $cientology likes to be crazy one on the block.

  • Vaquera

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4tkLy9AaD4
    (add: You guys know that’s the theme song to the MTM Show, yes? RIP Mary)

  • Jeb Burton

    I’m watching Alaska bush people, and I tell my girlfriend I hope they hunt enough meat to make it through the winter. She says you are a fucking idiot, don’t you realize that the whole family are millionaires and reality TV stars? Buzzkill honey.

    • Kim O’Brien

      keep her

    • Nat-leficent

      She hasn’t left you? So you went to that party instead of watching the game?

      • Jeb Burton

        Watched it on my phone. But still got in trouble for dirty dancing with the company whore.

        • Nat-leficent

          Lol

    • JJ

      The new one with hunting fugitives, there must be a disclaimer that the hunters can not use the trail of social media following behind the duos, or the camera crew following them, or the increase in sales of coffee for the film crew in what ever area the people are “hiding” in….

  • Phatpharm

    I don’t get it. They pushed for a felony charge. They had him convicted. He told his story. Wasn’t violent. I don’t know how they can put a gag order on him. I’m not a lawyer, but he just told the truth and gave an opinion which is covered by the 1st Amendment. I’ll never understand the law and courts in the US that allows this abuse. I mean didn’t Ray Jefferies say that bully tactics have been written up and can be used to make a case? *sigh*

    • Observer

      In Scientology’s inimitable ethical style, they tried to scare him into thinking he’d broken a condition of his probation when he had done no such thing.

    • Kim O’Brien

      scientology bitching about not wanting people to bitch about them …is not a gag order

      • JJ

        Just a veiled whiny threat.

    • ze moo

      In its badly misguided attempt to silence Brandon, the $cieno lawyer has opened themselves up to a civil case based on First Amendment and other probable causes. By using that outside lawyer, the clams think they have insulated themselves from Brandon. I don’t think so.

      • Phatpharm

        That’s what I was thinking. They are opening themselves to another civil case, but I’m not a lawyer. I wonder if that’s what they want because they can add a NDA. Or maybe they don’t think any lawyers would take the case because most are scared. Ex scietologists have united. They need to rethink the scare tactics. Those are being recorded in real time and shown to a nation.

        • Glen

          I am also not a lawyer but I don’t think $ci is risking anything in pressing their case except the negative publicity. I believe they have the rights as the “victim” of the crime to state their opinion and/or try to influence the legal system for the harshest possible sanctions. Can’t really see a civil case coming out of this but perhaps one can be launched out of other documented abuses.

          Thankfully, I don’t think they will get anywhere with their strategy but it requires vigilance to thwart their sleazy moves.

        • My take is that you don’t want to fight on Scientology’s ground. They can afford to spend a lot on a court case and have well-established tactics to bleed the opposition dry.

          In this case, you are, perhaps, better off taking the PR win and leaving Miscavige impotent to do anything else to you.

  • Observer
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Is Miscavige on drugs? It’s the only explanation I can come up with. Astonishing.

      • Observer

        You should visit that page. It’s just one howler after another.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          “Doing God’s Work Better – Tampa Bay Charities Learn Organizational Skills at Charity Coalition Luncheon in the Fort Harrison’s Crystal Ballroom.”

          !!!

          • JJ

            By dressing up as pirates and eating two thousand dollar a plate dinners…?

            • stanrogers

              Ecclesiastical garb and communion varies…

      • Observer
        • JJ

          Right hand slide down to back pocket remove wallet… WIN!

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Could it be that lil davey the pocket-sized supreme rullah of $cn has ordered his minions to put out a series of faux personal communications to counteract the critique that he’s bunkered down in not-Hemet and completely out of touch with the world?

          • JJ

            Like a look at every specific complaint and have an add ready for it. I am a dope and fall for advertising a lot and I have noticed, what ever the product ad claims they do it is the exact opposite. It doesn’t cut grease, it isn’t fast, it does rise, it won’t work like a dream. It is the sell of absolute juxtaposition.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              I know, it’s almost like a universal inverse law: whatever the claim is, it won’t do that and, quite often, will do the exact opposite πŸ˜‰

          • Observer

            Anything’s possible with that guy.

      • JJ

        Cognitive Dissonance in it’s final stage. Incurable.

      • Consider his (lack) of life experience. He grew up as a Scientology prodigy. Instead of an education, he spent his formative years under the tutelage of L Ron Hubbard.

        Using what he learned from his guru about utter ruthlessness, he seized a position of power that has completely insulated him from reality. He knows nothing at all about the wider world because he has hardly ever been exposed to it.

        To the extent that he understands the written word at all, I do believe that everything he says makes perfect sense to him. He does not know enough about anything to realise how crazy his pronouncements sound, outside of the Scientology bubble.

        I think you really have to take him seriously. He truly believes some version of Scientology that he has constructed for himself, to the best of his limited ability, over the years. He’s not planning to bug out one day, to a extradition-free nation. He does not understand that Scientology is a con. He really believes that he is a ‘Big Being’ making great strides, and nobody dares tell him any different. He has absolute power over others, and thinks that proves he must be a special person.

        You don’t have to look for external factors. His life experience has left him utterly deluded. Most of what he says makes a kind of sense – but only from a perspective inside the Scientology bubble. To try to apply it to reality is to take it out of context, and leave you in awe of its apparent madness.

        • JJ

          It is a strange concept, but very possible. He hits, cages,torments, does grievous harm to many other people but he feels he is doing a good thing? Entitled to, they asked for it, it is part of their growth? I agree about the end result practice of isolation with absolute power, but one thing I wonder about is the consciousness. The incident wit the shoes, when he was going on about them and his dad asked how much and was noticeably shocked he had bought himself a thousand dollar pair of shoes, DM then went on to defend his purchase. That means he had some insight into another person seeing what he had done as “off”. At least then. I suppose after another 20 years you can buttress anything with “Yeah well.” to the point you don’t even see it…? Fits in with the new age of “Alternate Facts.” ?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          “He truly believes some version of Scientology that he has constructed
          for himself, to the best of his limited ability, over the years… He does
          not understand that Scientology is a con.”

          Perhaps he believes in the version of $cn that he’s created since he seized power and began altering the tech and policy ad lib. Maybe he even believes that he’s channeling Elron who “told” him to come up with such interesting alterations in the tech as the “three-swing FN” and retreading everyone and their pets on objective processes for weeks and months of over runs.

          Since he and Pat Broecker came up with that huge fat lie about Elron’s demise and then conned all of the $cn world with it, he must know that, at least in regard to the upper OaTy levels, that it’s all pretty much bullshit. Tom De Vocht’s account of DM telling him that all he had were Elron’s notes on OaTy 9 & 10 to work with in creating those levels for release to the public also supports the contention that he’s knowingly continuing a fraud.

          Even more telling is the fact that lil davey is not really a $cilon at all because, despite having a gold ticket for a rocket ride to the tippy top of the bridge, the cult’s not-so grand inquisitioner never partakes of auditing or allows himself to be sec checked.

          As more of his cowed and craven minions escape or are given the boot for their failures to kiss enough of his shortarse, we may get the real inside scoop on exactly what’s running through this miserable excuse for a human’s mind. Until then, we’re just left to ponder the insanity of it all and speculate on how much of a True Believer $cilon and Merchant of Kool-Aid that he really is.

          • From my point of view, Scientology is incoherent nonsense to begin with, so the version Miscavige has created by “altering the tech and policy ad lib” is neither more nor less valid that the version invented by Hubbard.

            ‘Doctrine’ and ‘practice’ are all about maintaining power. Miscavige is far more crude and ineffective about it than Hubbard ever was, because he does not understand how to run a con – even his own – but this remains true.

            Miscavige had to make changes as an act of possession, and neither version of Scientology attracts loyalty on the basis of its inherent qualities in any case – they are enforced by various kinds of manipulation.

            Miscavige is not a Scientologist, granted, but sees himself as a ‘Big Being’ who is above it all, and makes it up as he goes along. That’s the way it works. The man at the top can’t afford to expose himself to any of the ‘ethics’ and ‘sec checking’ nonsense.

      • stanrogers

        Or off drugs he should be on.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Ritalin!

    • JJ

      WTF

  • nottrue

    Brandon could win in court if he had tons and tons and tons of money and years and years and years of time

  • Off topic. Finally got brave enough to watch Gravity movie.
    Had no idea Enya also works for NASA.

    • Rasha

      XD

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’ve not been able to bring myself to watch it. Was it more or less terrifying that you expected?

      • You have to take a drink or two before you watch it. It’s pretty normal after that.

        • Rasha

          I feel that the idea was to put the viewer into the situation, but I gotta admit, it was tough to just watch and not try to figure out how they got the shots. (Rasha needs to just enjoy the movie and stop trying to work out the logistics…. yes, I do like Interstellar a lot… another in that genre….)

          And yes, a drink or two beforehand helps…. #^_^#

  • AntoniaW

    O/T, but just picking up on a detail from Ramana’s story down thread, covered in the Daily Mail but first (natch) by our A1 proprietor: what’s this about Miscavige wearing make-up on the Freewinds? Sure, blokes have to wear make-up for filming: but what’s going on here? Just asking.

    • Observer

      He appears to be wearing makeup at every public appearance.

    • JJ

      It doesn’t mean a thing till he starts wearing it to bed.

      • AntoniaW

        I wish you hadn’t said that.

        • Jeb Burton

          Everbodys mascara runs when they get sweaty.

          • AntoniaW

            Mine doesn’t, I just sprinkle some Diorissima on my cheekbones and all is well. What DO they teach the Miscavige Lady’s Maids?

            • JJ

              I saw some cake mascara in a catalog how do you put that on and does it stay on?

            • chukicita

              I hate that stuff. The frosting clogs your tear ducts something fierce.

            • Frodis73

              Do you have a link handy?

    • PRenaud

      Hoo and the comments are pretty bad for Tom Cruise.

    • Jeb Burton

      I’m more intrigued by the daily enemas.

      • Glen

        This would lend itself to asshole jokes about you when you are at your most curmudgeonly. However, you seem to be in some sort of charming phase. A mixed bag (enema?), you.

        • Jeb Burton

          Clever. But when have I ever been anything but charming?

          • Glen

            You are working with some alternate facts if you think this. However, you do get extra points for Tedeschi/Trucks.

            • Jeb Burton

              Great band. Would love to have them at my campfire. Alternate facts are acceptable nowadays.

            • AntoniaW

              OK, so daily enemas AND daily make-up sessions. Can anyone enlighten us as to wft is going on here? I mean, call me old fashioned, but this ain’t the daily routine of my best-loved friends and family.

            • Jeb Burton

              What kind of weird world are you living in? Doesn’t everybody do that? Not me of course.

            • AntoniaW

              Ooh, perhaps I’d better rethink. I’ll pay more attention to my face, but can’t I settle for a manicure instead of an enema?

      • AntoniaW

        me too

      • Harpoona Frittata

        And don’t forget that pie-sitting fetish of his! He’s thoroughly ashamed of that one, but just can’t seem to stop.

  • Liberated

    Butch Trucks of the Allman Brothers band died, he was 69.

    • Jeb Burton

      RIP. He just played the Capitol Theater here in Clearwater last month. But he gave us a blessing in his son Derek Trucks. Or I think he is maybe his nephew. But he is unbelievable.

      • ReallyMGM

        Nephew and he is wicked talented!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      With Skydog ‘n all the band
      Fly free

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUvxRjYqjEQ

      • Liberated

        Thanks for that Pan.
        That would be the perfect anthem for a SO member in the RPF…..instead of tied to the whippin’ post…they run around the whippin’ post.

      • Kim O’Brien

        this is my favorite song Pan

    • Kim O’Brien

      Amos Lee will show respect

    • ReallyMGM

      Makes me sad. “Live at The Fillmore” is one of the best albums/cds/digitals ever. Just saw his nephew Derek Trucks play a couple of weeks ago…shades of Duane’s greatness.

      ETA: it was a weird coincidence but I just realized had been wearing my Tedeschi Trucks Band tshirt all day today.

      • Liberated

        I actually thought of you when I heard the news…really.

        The rolling stone record guide considers Live at the Filmore east one of of the best live concerts ever. ” They not only snapped up the holy grail…they ran off with it”

        I saw them years ago in Louisville they were great.

        And of course Derek and The Dominoes…Layla, well you don’t get any better than that! I had the old vinyl and played it to death.

        • ReallyMGM

          Most critics rate it 2nd behind the the James Brown live album (which is great, too), but I like the Allman Brothers LATF better.
          I saw Gregg play last summer. He was good with an excellent band, but certainly not the same as he used to be.
          Tedschi Trucks Band was one of the best I saw all year, and I saw some good ones. She is an incredible vocalist and he is one of the best guitarists out there (GOD Eric says so).

          • Liberated

            That settles that!

        • ReallyMGM

          A friend sent me a link about a year ago about the engineering that went into layering Eric and Duane’s guitars on Layla. (Because I am a nerd and like stuff like that) I’d share but I have now lost it. Will see if he still has it. He was a teenager in Macon in the Allman Bros day and followed them around with his camera. His photos sell for thousands now. He has some rather interesting/wild Gregg stories too.

      • chukicita

        I first met Derek at music awards event in Florida. He was like eleven years old. Made me want to throw my guitar out the window.

        • ReallyMGM

          I saw Bonamassa and Trucks in one month. That was like guitar overload.

          ETA: I saw Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings this summer and she died in December. I see the videos of them with the Tedeschi Trucks Band as the “Wheels of Soul” band and I am so sad that is just gone now. I hope those videos last forever and people remember Sharon. she was incredible.

    • chukicita

      Butch was good people.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        Was he Derek’s father or other relative? I remember that Derek could not play once because he was too young – labor laws. I think it was at a familiar place, sandy, outdoors…you know. Edit: oops I see below.

        • chukicita

          labor laws = he couldn’t play as many shows in a certain amount of time that he was booked for.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • JJ

      It wouldn’t be if I sang. More like refined torture…

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Can you imagine if karaoke had been a thing back when that croaker LRH sailed the seas? Poor clams would have been overboarding themselves!

  • flyonthewall

    is there going to be a band at Howdycon? Karaoke? Dance battle?

  • beauty for ashes

    You farking icehole DISQUS. ENOUGH !!!!! STAHP! YOu know I did not just click on that. And why you gotta freeze the WHOLE page when all I want to do is upvote the catman comment by Rasha?
    I think maybe I better walk away before I break something I can’t afford to replace.
    Hrrrumphhh!

  • What’sup
    • Glen

      Very funny.

    • That’s good, and a variation on a theme.
      Two Jewish guys see a sign “Become a Catholic and get $50!”
      One does and his friend asks him “So did you get the $50?”
      The other replies “Is that all you people think about?”

      • JJ

        Jesus!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • stanrogers

      At least he’s properly attired for a DC-8 flight to Venus, where he can get run over by a train.

    • Kim O’Brien

      seeing a man in an oversized suit …gives me a sad feeling

      • And yet a man in a too-small suit is funny.

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          especially when his name is Charlie Chaplin

          • MaxLuvsDaBunk

            And, yes, I crush on a dead man; my Charlie *sigh* I love me my Charlie

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Don’t be, that’s how a man who’s exorcised all of his BTs looks!

        See the green dot on his lapel? Those are only awarded to extra special $cilons who’ve gone above and beyond for the cult – like he did by making the cult the beneficiary of his estate when he goes to join Elron in the Great Beyond.

        • dungeon master

          Don’t you just hate it when you find out you’ve been walking around all day with a 25 cents sticker on the lapel of your yard sale suit?

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Yep, but on the Kool-Aid glass half-full side, the more you save on clothes, food and lodging the more you can spend on the cult!

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I thought that might have been a laser scope trained on him in case he went type 3 during the grand opening. Can’t have him upstage Miscavige’s big moment.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Either that or some sort of rent-an-elder set up that enables lil davey, the master of staging faux crowds, to bus in some old folks for the photo op for just donuts and coffee. The green dots are what they redeem at the end of the event for their reward.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              This guy has been a clam for decades. And he’s one of their batsh#t craziest.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i am a never in so i just see like someone who reminds me of old WW2 vets who still make a go of walking out of the house with a suit and tie on ..a suit they have had since they were old enough to fill it out ..but age has taken it’s rightful tole …maybe with grace and the smell of old spice and fresh air and roses …or with neglect and the smell of moth balls and menthol .

          like …happy irish ..or sad irish . i don’t know how else to explain it . ..:( …ugh

          • Harpoona Frittata

            I get ya, I knew old geezers like that when I was a kid! Speaking of old folks that make you sad, these recent pics and stories about still-in $ea Orgy “elderlies” just really gets me. The cult has less than no respect or use for anything that doesn’t bring in cash. So, kids, old folks and the disabled get the minimum required by law (or even less if they think they can get away with it)…dissssgusting!

          • just another guy out there

            Relax, you did just fine. Gift of gab.

        • Kim O’Brien

          aw man ….

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        maybe too many days/months of beans and only beans brought him to shrink severely …… like so many others

      • Did he buy it too big or, even more sadly

        a) Did he shrink into it after giving too much of his income to Scientology to eat properly?
        b) Is he ill, and denying it?

        Doesn’t look right.

        • Kim O’Brien

          see ..?? man in oversized suit makes bad feeling happen and sometime makes my eyes rain

    • Harpoona Frittata

      A society without money-grubbing, child-stealing, family-destroying $cilons sounds like a good start towards achieving that star-high goal to me!

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        so beautifully said, harpoona

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      He got green dotted. I’m so grateful that I somehow avoided my all-too-close calls with getting green dotted (dianetics drawn in) by these liars, thieves, and destroyers. (Methinks perhaps the green dotted ones at that event are those marked so the regges know they can milk them the most.)

      • chukicita

        Can you tell me what green dotted means? I don’t get it. Edit…never mind I see down thread…

  • anyone else having issues getting onto Mike Rinder’s front porch today? i’ve had the ol’ timeout error message a few times … someone w/ the batphone wanna let him know?
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc7fdb53c781dfb51aab8a21da1104965fd8de847d81bbc47c412dc042b2d002.png

    • JJ

      Maybe he and Leah are workin’ something with the lawyers and he is super busy.

      • maybe, but wouldn’t it be odd to shut his whole site down in the middle of the day considering the amount of traffic he’s been getting lately?

        • JJ

          Our local cable said they were working on stuff for three months and times it just went off. note we do not get a refund.

        • SLIM

          Of course it would…
          The site is unreachable not just stalled..
          Maybe he’s doing an upgrade…
          We will find out soon enough.

          • SLIM

            It’s back..

        • stanrogers

          Judging from the DNS resolution time, it could be a DDoS. But I want to stress that’s just speculation at this end.

    • Just tried it and not getting there either.
      Should we panic and speculate wildly now?
      Because I am so ready.

      • not yet, just testing the waters

      • JJ

        I am thinking if Scientology tried to kidnap him they would want things to look as normal as possible. Maybe he hates his font.

      • SLIM

        It’s back up

        • Damn.

          • Rasha

            I know…. so much potential…..

    • SLIM

      Yep…His site is definitely down at the moment..

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Yes, just checked back in over there a minute ago and couldn’t get through either.

    • pluvo

      I was there about 2,3 hours ago. Now it doesn’t work.

      • same for me, but it also happened briefly first thing this morning pacific time

        seems strange. i’m not trying to cause a panic. just wanted to put it on his radar if he didn’t know.

    • Rasha

      Works for Rasha at the moment….

    • nateht

      So his site is back up. This made me go look. Good article about the vote in the Kaiser Campus precinct.

  • SLIM

    Mike Rinders site is back up

    • JJ

      All the positive energy being sent. mind over mest.

    • Just read his article on the voting cluster. Good stuff.

      • SLIM

        His voice and writings are getting much more powerful…
        It’s amazing to see in real time [RT} his transformation..
        He made me hate him until he made me love him..

        • There’s nothing like redemption. It’s a beautiful thing when a person wakes up to their humanity.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Howdy Con Help .

    Imma gonna need 3 different zip drives ( no ..USB drives ) filled with photo slide shows

    1. slide show photos of HowdyCon 1

    2. ? ….still shots form interview’s with exes from all over ?

    3. ? …still shots of exes living a happy life and those still waiting for reunion ..???

    can anyone help me out and commit to a zip drive project ?

    • flyonthewall

      no thnx, I’m good

      • Kim O’Brien

        i appreciate the offer ..but i am swamped πŸ˜‰

    • What’sup

      Aeger Primo has a photo bucket thingy. Someone will have a link.

    • What’sup
      • flyonthewall

        i thought you were getting “turnt” with your “squad”, but here you are being all helpful and shit. Sup? Grow a vagina or somethin?

        • What’sup

          It’s only 9:30 in the morning.

          • flyonthewall

            it’s only 9:30 in the morning wah wah wah, stop bein a little bitch and start getting turnt!

            • What’sup

              Yes, Sir. Right away, Sir.

            • flyonthewall

              plz remember to drink responsibly and always have a designated driver. You can have fun and be safe. I love you

            • Liberated

              What’s turnt mean?

            • What’sup

              Turned up…. Drunk, High and having a blast.

      • Kim O’Brien

        you have to bring this to denver …on a zip drive . pick up what i am putting down πŸ˜‰ ..

        i am not doing the zip drive thing because i locked myself IN my new car today . not kidding . i answered my phone today by touching a button on my steering wheel . My brain was born in 1969 so it is hardwired up until …say …Atari inventing ” pong ” …and i almost drove off the road

        bring me zip drives

    • In my experience there are only two kinds of Zip drives – those which have just failed, and those which are going to fail tomorrow.

      Hard experience suggests that you consider using more reliable recordable CDs/DVDs or a cloud service like Mega, which provides 50Gb of data per account and allows files to be shared.

      I’d be happy to advise you how to set some of these options up if you would like to email me https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/

      • Kim O’Brien

        you are awesome …but the is for the TV’s that are above and around the bar for dinner . On one ..will play some movie by some french sounding name dude who is british and looks like he always has bed head ….and slide shows on the rest with zip drives cuz only one CD thingy can work at once .
        “thingy” ..i assume ..is a technical term ? LOL

        • Fairly up-to-date TVs have USB sockets, so you can play slideshows from relatively cheap USB data sticks – that might be worth asking about.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i thought that was the same thing . i will call them tomorrow . i either need data sticks ..or zip drives .

            i may not survive the zombie tech insurgence after all

  • Ann B Watson

    I have had similar misadventures with Mike’s site.In fact the last week I did not receive the entire website,it just was gone.His front porch disappeared itself.He’ll be burning rubber on the Batmobile when he gets the Batcall.Got the time out message too and for a minute thought he had put me in the timeout blogging chair!πŸ’›

  • Ann B Watson

    I did want to send Brandon my support and love.The Cult always screams the loudest when Truth is Revealed.Stay strong & shine on.πŸ’–

  • allioops

    may your partner, Sarah, have a total and easy recovery…My aunt went through that surgery twenty years ago! She was to lose weight & give up smoking after the surgery. She told her doctor; I cannot do both if I give up smoking I will gain more weight. He said lose weight. She continued to smoke, and was quite heavy (i take after her; but do not smoke.) She lived a long and busy life. She even climbed to the top of the Statue of Liberty two years after her surgery!

  • allioops

    Whenever I see a “successful Parenting” course from this cult I want to scream! The wasband was a terrible, absentee father. And OT 8!

  • Observer

    A very late response to the dramatic exit:

    Now you know how Scientologists feel about what we’re doing here. They don’t see the evil in their leader, either.

    • Dramatic exit? Do tell, what’d I miss?

      • Observer

        A Trump supporter couldn’t take the “hate” and “vitriol” expressed toward the new president here and left after a lengthy speech.

        • Liberated

          Aww, don’t go away mad..just go away!

        • flyonthewall

          yes, this after he called a very nice poster a “fuck” for absolutely nothing

          • daisy

            That was ridiculous. .

          • Oh, I think I commented on that earlier. Sad! Loser!

          • Robert Eckert

            Trumpists are quick to echo the nastily insulting style of their leader, but turn into special snowflakes who cannot stand the pain of seeing their leader insulted, even if they have to strain to find the insult to get upset about.

        • salin

          How many hours down do I have to scroll down to find this episode?

          • Observer

            9

            • salin

              Thanks – I will work backwards (set to oldest posts.)

            • daisy

              Click on Once Borns avatar . It is not private.Go to his post 9 hrs ago. View in discussion He made a responding post . It is quicker.

            • salin

              I wish I had had the patience to wait for advice like this. No. I had to keep scrolling and scrolling. Anyone else wanting to find the discussion – Use Daisy’s Advice!

        • Kim O’Brien

          and after a few years of emotional investment …344 comments

          i feel so used πŸ˜‰

          • Observer

            I bet you’re crying like a girl.

        • FredEX2

          Ok found it. That’s too bad. Hope he rethinks his attitude and way of communicating.

          • Observer

            No, mikecrosby

            • FredEX2

              Tks Obs. Found it. Wish I hadn’t. πŸ™

        • Ah, Mike Crosby. I think I responded when he was so rude to another Bunkerista. Why do they come here? What’s the point if their delicate pearl strands can’t take the tugging?

  • Man!

    Downloading and building a new version a compiler: Easy.
    Hunting down and killing every reference to the old version: Pain in the butt!

    • daisy

      I have no idea what you just said but if you are complaining it must be difficult. Thank you for doing that.

    • Franklin Adams

      Hunting down old dependencies and symlinks for a particular version of a library is always a lot of fun too. One of the things I don’t miss about Linux that I’m still glad I switched to *BSD about. That and systemd, even though I never had much of a problem with it I hear it can be a real problem to try and figure out anything if something goes wrong before the kernel loads. Not that sysV or any of the other inits are all that good either.

  • Whatever
    • Tony Ortega

      There it is. Thank you.

  • Frodis73

    Can somebody post a link to the story in the Daily Mail (I think that is who it is) that is a repeat of Tony’s story? I tied like crazy to find it from earlier but no luck.

  • Fink Jonas

    The church keeps on slapping people in the face with the hopes that behavior one day will be main stream and accepted by society at large, after all they want to conquer the world so they keep on marching on with that flag till we degraded beings accept that behavior, like they say keep on telling the same lie over and over and people would start to believe it, they wouldn’t dare make the founder wrong on his words; “we are not a put the other cheek religion” in other words “we are evil and we can care less” it couldn’t be more clear.

  • salin

    Reminder – this content doesn’t just appear – Tony works relentlessly to bring us this and other stories. Recommend is like an upvote for the day’s installment and raises the site’s visibility on Disqus. Even if you are not signed up to Disqus, you have one upvote/recommend to give. Recommends are at 137 – can we get it up to 150 for the day?

    If you haven’t yet – remember to Recommend today’s UB – Great story – the composure of Brandon to push back/clarify to the level of clarity that the PO backed up. Applause and hugs of support to Brandon. Co$ seems intent on continuing to find ways to screw lives’ up, while also proving that the policy of Fair Game is real and active. Wake up OSA your actions, in the long picture, are backfiring.

    Incentive – and amazing Aurora image from Tromso, Norway on Jan 24. http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=132434&PHPSESSID=ag0md3avnrf4t0aj7km25mgug2

  • thetastic

    Just think, once that kid starts the EPF, he’ll have a head start to the dumpster he’ll be cleaning.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Reason #43 why it’s probably not a good idea to descale your kettle at 3am: touching your lips with undiluted descaling fluid on your fingers. On a positive note I’ve discovered a cheap alternative to my favourite Chanel lipstick in Rouge Allure. On the downside it stings like a bastard.

    • stanrogers

      Just a little more and it’s a perfect DIY substitute for collagen injections too!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I may very well have made my fortune πŸ™‚

    • Frodis73

      Yikes! That must hurt, so sensitive there.

    • Ow! Next time just boil white vinegar in the kettle for a minute or so. Yeah, you have to rinse it out a couple of times (boil and dump it) but it’s cheaper and less painful if you get it on your lips!

    • daisy

      OOOhh – sorry , keep it wet with cool water.

  • Frodis73

    I have one word and it is not even a word. Ugh. No, let that be help.

  • I don’t think I’ve ever paid attention before … is it a big deal when 1/2 the rags at the checkstand have Trump on the cover and the other 1/2 have Scientology dirt?
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc6104e6eb915adf6e0dfece782961f464ec11b7a3e83121fb2f8473d7e8bf8e.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d637797f8996f370d5707dda573f33130e9044d1dabc219ee4664aa96e417b29.jpg
    (feel free to flip ’em, I’m in line and can’t be bothered)

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      5 hours?

      • seems a little low to me too. that might just be the bonus features.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          40 years of hiding in the closet while being audited? I bet if you ran just the masseur video-taped auditing sessions, it would take 5 years to watch it.

  • Liberated

    It’s 11:00…. time for Conan/Leah.

  • daisy

    Leah on .

    • madame duran

      Summarize for the rest of us, will ya?

      • TexasBroad

        She’s explaining why she wanted to speak up on behalf of the people who were being harassed by the church. Explaining how she was working on King of Queens and dismissing criticisms of the church…trained to report things, submit to sec checks.
        She looks amazing in her leopard print dress.

        • madame duran

          Thanks!

      • lori banister

        So far, recap of the basics of sci sins. She is explaining how she was trapped by the beliefs. Conan seems open and made one obvious joke, but seems willing to hear what she has to say. Just my interpretation. Commercacial, as my granddaughter says.

        • lori banister

          Did not mean to step on your toes! Meant for tiny, Texas terror.

          • lori banister

            From medium sized Colorado terror.

            • lori banister

              Now covering Shelley. She is explaining her dissatisfaction with the LAPd response to her missing person report. She is now explaining the mind control and the weird examples that demonstrate that it is mind control. Conan is sympathetic. Holy hell! He just brought up that Sci hasn’t sued her or anyone else on her show. She has pointed out how odd that is. Now they are on to Ron Miscavige. She covers how heartbreaking it is for Ron, and indicative of what this “cherch” does to families. End. Love you, Leah. You must be exhausted explaining this crap every interview, but bless you for doing it. You have made a huge difference.

    • lori banister

      Fierce dress!

  • daisy

    Explaining why she didn*t get out cause she was public
    punished for looking at the internent
    family involvement . so you dont look -severe repercussions
    She believed
    Did it every day.

    • TexasBroad

      He said he’d been doing this for 25 years and never had anyone seems him a letter like the church did prior to her appearance

      • TexasBroad

        Talking about Tom Cruise wedding incident. Love that Conan stumbled over DM’s name. ..”David, is it?”

        • TexasBroad

          Talking about LAPD response to her missing report.

        • daisy

          Oh that is funny . i didn*t notice.

  • Bavarian Rage

    Thanks for pointing out examples of how other churches react to vandalism, which highlights the contrast in this story. Broken windows are such relatively small potatoes that it took about 16 hours for me to recall that 2 basement windows are currently boarded up in my own church! Sure it’s an inconvenience and represents a few extra bucks to repair, sure there’ll be an extra item on the board agenda to brainstorm about security, prevention and insurance, but no one’s getting out the pitchforks to plot vengeance! Now if the hooligans stole $30,000 of a/v equip, dumped paint on the carpet, and spray painted obscenities on the wall, you might just evoke a bit more of a response!

  • Liberated

    Conan said he received a letter from the cherch today saying Leah’s lying blah blah.
    He said in 24 yrs. he’s never received a letter about a guest on his show before.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Love that!

      News flash, Scientology: anytime you send a silly letter, it’s it going at least be publicly mocked, if not read aloud in its entirety. As Dr. Phil says “So how’s that working for you?” Those letters lost their intimidating fangs a decade ago, at least.

  • Liberated

    Talking about Shelley now.

  • daisy

    Talking about the wedding – Conan did his home work
    Where is Shelly ? People scattered when she asked that
    om Davis -You don*t have the fucking rank
    Doesn*t know where she is. Police not helping
    Churh complaining unfounded report
    Talking about being physically assaulted . Conan not understanding why they allowed them to be hurt.
    Scientology not suing because it is the truth
    Fair game explained
    If she was lying the COS would sue.
    David M. father left the COS – Had to call him sir
    Leah saying what motivates her.
    Website address.

    • Qbird
      • Wow, 15 minutes. That’s a long segment.

        • Qbird

          to tell you the truth, I am quite surprised how kind & respectful Conan was 1Sub. It was a very good interview.

          • And she was playfully disarming.
            They were both quite in the moment.
            The opening bits were cute beyond belief. The to and fro.
            They were listening to each other.

      • Mooser42001

        Leah Remini always looks good. But I think I noticed that she looks better in the ‘last’ (hopefully not) episode than she does in the first Like making the series was good for her, and it shows.

        • Qbird

          Watching all the episodes & catching as many interviews as I am able, I find Leah Remini to be utterly upfront & sincere. She truly gives a shit & is doing what she can to expose the truth of the Scn. organizations. Hiya Mooser.

  • TexasBroad

    Leah explain to Conan why people allowed themselves to be beaten.

  • TexasBroad

    DAMN right they are not suing me. Because they know the truth

  • TexasBroad

    Talking about shedding the beliefs quickly once she was on the Internet.

  • TexasBroad

    Conan saying Ron Sr story heartbreaking.

  • Liberated

    Leah’s the perfect person to do this…I love her.

  • TexasBroad

    Short and sweet. COnan obviously has watched the show and been moved by it.

  • daisy

    The men will tune in to her – she is smoking hot .

    • Liberated

      Va va voom!

    • TexasBroad

      Absolutely gorgeous! Woman too, because she is so authentic.

  • daisy

    If you are lurking Baby Kimmel is showing big haired babies after the commercial. I am no good at live blogging Lol – so you are on your own.
    Ok ok one has big hair brown mullet
    The other has big hair blond
    the third has big hair boy brown , part muppet
    the next baby has big hair
    the next had big hair ….

    • TheLurkingHorror

      Lol… well done!

  • Tony Ortega

    Just talked to Ramana. Would it surprise you to hear that the Daily Mail exaggerated the most salacious thing in the article, and then refused to make a correction when she asked for it?

    • daisy

      no

    • Tony Ortega

      Actually, exaggerated is the wrong word. Made up, is closer to it.

      • Franklin Adams

        Alternative facts, y’know.

    • Franklin Adams

      Not in the least. I’ve called them the Daily Fail for a very long time because of that kind of crap.

    • JJ

      I just read a dated article about the Freewinds said DM had to have enemas every day, they were set up by maid etc. That can’t be true, anyone as uptight as him has got to be literally, not just morally, impacted…Just saying.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        That daily hot water enema routine sounds like some kind of a fetish.

        • JJ

          Maybe it was just for shipboard parties.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I always felt bad for the young Messenger gals who had to put on LRH’s socks but if some poor clam has “hose duty” to give COB an enema… Egads! :O

            • JJ

              It could just be a thing in a gossip mag really, anyone that touchy, can you imagine him letting someone put a hose in his butt?

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Actually I can πŸ™
              I remember a couple of years ago there was a creepy blind item supposedly about Miscavige having a medical equipment-type fetish, involving older clam women and a clinic or something where he would do stuff to them. It was ridiculous but I could see him being that twisted.

            • JJ

              Yowsa, that’s moving into Mengele territory.

            • Mooser42001

              With fiends like that, who needs enamas?

        • Liberated

          There’s so many jokes to make, but I just don’t have it in me tonite.

          • JJ

            But see I didn’t write it as a funny, I am seriously wondering. I think it is maybe not reely true…? Were talking ten years back and a UK gossip newspaper…

            • Liberated

              Even if it’s true or not it’s still hilarious. Once you’re hooked on enemas you never go back.

              The guy was a freak 10 yrs. ago and still is a freak.

            • JJ

              Ew are you kidding? Does it become a health thing where you just can’t do without it?

            • Liberated

              Can be.

            • JJ

              pass

            • stanrogers

              No. Passing is what the enema gets you.

            • JJ

              well I’ll pass on my own thank you very much.

            • Liberated

              I was gonna say that, I’m just in a shitty mood.

            • stanrogers

              Now yer gettin’ it!

            • stanrogers

              Not so much “can’t do without” as “can’t go without”.

            • Liberated

              Same thing.

            • JJ

              depends how you spell do ?

            • Liberated

              Ok

            • stanrogers

              Um, no. I meant “go” as in to do your business in the privy closet.

            • JJ

              Some people are seriously missing out on a bizarre turn of post tonight…

            • JJ

              I was to lazy to edit the one word…

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Ick!
              “Because enemas can cause dehydration, overuse of enemas can create serious health problems. Use of enemas for constipation on a regular basis can lead to an electrolyte imbalance in the body called hyponatremia, in which the blood becomes diluted and its salt content becomes lower than normal. Hyponatremia can cause muscle spasms and swelling of the brain that leads to mental impairment. This is a particular concern when using enemas with plain tap water.”

              “Long-term constipation could be caused by lifestyle conditions such as not taking enough exercise, too little fiber in the diet, or not drinking enough water. However, constipation could also be caused by more serious conditions, such as neurological problems or colon cancer. ”

              “Another common problem that has been associated with the excessive use of the enema is dependency. The repeated use of enemas can, over time, cause problems with the muscles in the intestines. The regular use of enemas can prevent the muscles of the intestine from doing their job properly to move stool along. This is one of the main reasons that people who are too used to taking an enema regularly cannot pass stools without taking one. You should not need to use enemas to have a bowel movement. Moreover, some of the common side effects that can be associated with the regular use of enema are cramps in the stomach, irritation in the rectal area, fluid overload, vomiting, severe diarrhea, reduced muscle tone in the anal sphincter and nausea.”

              “There may be several water enema side effects that can be noticed too. In case the water used in the enema is not the right temperature, that is, if it is either too hot or too cold, it could lead to serious damage to the colon. In fact, this condition can be serious enough to also be fatal. There have also been reports of severe harm to a patient’s colon and overall health, if too much water is allowed to enter the colon.”

            • Dave Reams

              I heard a rumor that COB’s maid Georgia piped in the enema water from the Freewind’s bilge. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, grease to the greaser

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I heard a rumor that David Miscavige was born without a sphincter.

            • Dave Reams

              Funny, I heard it was the other way around, David Miscavige is a sphincter born without a fully formed human being around it.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      As if it wasn’t difficult enough for her to go public with her story.

    • Dave Reams

      “Exaggerated” ? Strip away the tabloid prose then: Is COB in the habit of wearing makeup in “daily life” or not?

      Salacious? In these times I don’t know what salacious is anymore. Salacious for a tabloid is when an actress doesn’t wear makeup! COB is a clown! Bring on the pancake!

    • Ann B Watson

      No,does not surprise me.I’ve been around too long.Thank you & πŸ’›Tony.

  • JJ

    Free from mental illness. free from crime. free from war. How in the name of Xenu can they believe that with the actions,ideas and fallout of every scribble of tech? One after another, at its very core CoS seems to be pro greed, narcissism, bias, argument taken to physical violence, theft on a global scale and utterly bizarre and anti social behaviors. Not even the ends justifies the means here. Not if the means and ends match up.
    It isn’t about people being stupid or nuts to join CoS, it is stupid and nuts when you see it all at once. Who ever signed up after reading it end to end? Compartmentalized knowledge, a new thing, making friends, feeling superior, celebrity allure and the pull of a better me and a better world. But through these things, these behaviors and thought patterns. Did LRH ever see the contradictions of his sayings? Or just dollar signs when no one else saw them? How can you rationalize you will get a better more perfect world by these tactics? Or maybe he thinks in Ponzi-Orwellian terms, “All of us are equal but some of us will be more equal than others…”

  • daisy

    Someone said something nice about Trump, so I am rage quitting.

    • Just saw a book that gives me my new nick-name for Donald Rump:
      “Insane Clown President”
      (by Matt Taibbi)
      Oh, and I’m rage quitting over you rage quitting.

  • ReallyMGM

    There has been quite a few tweets today on my feed today with the #stigmafree nami.com campaign for mental health awareness. It really made me think about how Scientology stigmatizes mental illness and all illness. No meds for brain disease at all, whether it is mental illness or epilepsy. And anyone who has read JAW’s tweets has seen him say no meds for things like thyroid disease either. Only the healthy apply, or sign over your life insurance, right?

    ETA: I’d take anything right now if I could get over the cold/flu/bronchitis I have had for 2 effing weeks (starting week 3). Yeah, been to Dr. and on meds. Was well 3 days, then massive relapse.

  • Gus_Cox

    Poor Kerri Kasem. Her Dad (Casey Kasem) was one of the great voices of radio and TV, and she got stuck with a squeaky, high-pitched voice and a bad Los Angeles accent. She’s obviously taken speech classes to try and improve, because sometimes (when she’s concentrating) I hear the telltale sound of the exercises they’d have her do . She’s a nice-looking kid, but the poor thing still has a squeaky voice and a bad Los Angeles accent.

  • Faux Gibbler

    Ouch. Well done Sir Tony.

  • daisy

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddad9269bf9538edde22234ee5d6438e9d7fd3d22d92962179f5ad079a5d325b.jpg I will no longer be upvoting today as I cannot afford to replace my computer. Everyone assume you are upvoted except maybe Jeb if he is being mean and any Trump lover.

    • Mooser42001

      I will be more than happy to upvote any comment you request be upvoted.