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Scientology wastes no time making a move on the new president, but where does Trump stand?

[Then-candidate Donald Trump and Trish Duggan, during the campaign]

Back in August, we pointed out that while many people have noted similarities between Donald Trump and L. Ron Hubbard, at least in their personal styles (something we’ve acknowledged as well), we hadn’t really seen any substantial connections between the Republican candidate and the Church of Scientology itself.

But now that he’s president, we’re very curious to find out what Trump thinks about Scientology, which increasingly faces calls from the public to be investigated by federal agencies like the FBI and IRS.

We’ve heard from several conservative friends — even some with fairly impressive connections in Washington — that they feel confident Trump can be convinced to crack down on Scientology in a way his predecessors have not. And indeed, especially since the airing of A&E’s Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, we’ve seen much more interest in the church’s controversies from the conservative media after Leah publicized Scientology’s use of forced abortion against Sea Org workers.

On the other hand, there’s Trish Duggan.

Our tipsters spotted her at the inaugural Friday, chatting with former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and his wife Callista, as well as with Kellyanne Conway, who was Trump’s campaign manager and has been appointed presidential counselor.

Trish Duggan and her husband Bob are the wealthiest Scientologists in the world, currently worth about $2.5 billion. Each year, the Duggans are listed as Scientology’s biggest donors, and we last estimated (conservatively) that their giving just to one Scientology fundraising arm, the IAS, has reached about $70 million. They’ve given millions more to various Scientology construction projects, particularly in South Africa, where they’ve also had an odd family arrangement.

Photos of Trish Duggan at the inaugural were posted online by another wealthy Scientologist, Grant Cardone, who last year started spending a lot of time with the Duggans.

 

[Trish and Callista Gingrich, photo posted by Grant Cardone]

 

[Trish gets a word in with Newt Gingrich, who was ID’d by Cardone]

 

 
We asked former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder for his thoughts on whether Trump might be swayed one way or the other about looking into the church.

“Generally, Republicans are helpful to Scientology,” he says. “The Christian Right has a lot of influence. They may hate Scientology, but they will do a lot to protect from any erosion of First Amendment protections. They worry that if Scientology gets attacked or loses its tax-exempt status, then it will be the Christian Scientists or Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons next, and then their denominations. But I do not know how much influence they have with Trump. He seems wholly uninfluenced by anything other than money and his ego. So, perhaps they won’t have much say and the angle could be to generate revenue for the Treasury by revoking Scientology’s tax exempt status. Trump is so unpredictable…it’s impossible to tell what he might do and whether his is a good or bad administration for seeking government action against Scientology.”

As we pointed out in August, the few connections that have been drawn between Trump and Scientology have been very tenuous…

Three things are usually cited: 1) In 2006, Trump donated a paltry $1,000 to the New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Fund, a Scientology front set up by Tom Cruise to deliver L. Ron Hubbard’s quack sauna-and-vitamins “detoxification” cure for first responders to the 9/11 attacks. 2) That Trump is friendly with Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who went easy on Trump University and declined to prosecute it for fraud, while Bondi has also been friendly with Scientologists, who have hosted fundraising parties for her. And 3), that Trump’s chief fundraiser, Hollywood producer Steve Mnuchin [and now nominated to be Treasury secretary], is involved with a film funding company owned in part by James Packer, who was involved in Scientology from about 2002 to 2006.

While those ties aren’t very substantial, there are signs that Trump’s administration isn’t unwelcoming to pseudoscience.

In August, Trump met with Andrew Wakefield. Writes Michael Hiltzik of the Los Angeles Times…

Wakefield is the former British physician whose paper claiming a link between the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine and autism has been shown to be fraudulent, costing Wakefield his medical license in Britain. Wakefield later moved to Austin, where he still promotes anti-vaccine claims. After meeting with Trump, Wakefield told Statnews.com that he found the candidate to be “extremely interested, genuinely interested, and open-minded on this issue…. For the first time in a long time, I feel very positive about this.”

Hiltzik also pointed out that earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that he had been invited by Trump to chair a commission “on vaccine safety and scientific integrity.”

The Trump team soon denied that the invitation had been issued, but acknowledged that Trump was “exploring the possibility” of such a commission and that he had “enjoyed his discussion with Robert Kennedy Jr. on a range of issues and…looks forward to continuing the discussion about all aspects of autism with many groups and individuals.” If you missed what happened there, the Trump team effectively reiterated the discredited claim of a link between autism and vaccination.

In 2015, we noted that RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine message had led him to give an alarmist address at, of all places, a Church of Scientology.

Trump’s embrace of pseudoscience has also raised alarms from climate scientists and LGBT advocates.

But with conservative media finally getting interested in Scientology and its abuses, could Trump be swayed to back IRS or FBI action?

“I think anyone who says they know what Trump will do is blowing smoke,” Rinder tells us. “Probably the only people in the world I think might know are his kids and Jared Kushner. And I would not bet any money on even their predictions.”

Scientology isn’t taking any chances, and we’re not surprised to see Trish Duggan trying to get close.

Does that mean that Tom Cruise isn’t far behind?

 
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John Travolta’s co-star weighs in

Wow. Barry Pepper played Jonnie Goodboy Tyler, the lead role in John Travolta’s 2000 film version of L. Ron Hubbard’s science fiction novel, Battlefield Earth. And now it turns out he’s a big fan of Leah Remini’s hard hitting A&E series. Does Travolta know?

 

 
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Claire Headley on the radio this evening

Speaking of conservative media showing more interest in Scientology, Claire Headley will be talking about her forced abortions in the Sea Org tonight on an Internet radio program.

You can catch her at 7 pm Eastern at the March 4 Life NY radio channel.

 
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June will be here before you know it

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

[Thank you, Observer.]

 
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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Jimmy3

    “Akeenly aware”
    What?

    • stanrogers

      Froodian slorp. Underneath lies “achingly aware”.

  • Nat-leficent

    Caption Contest
    @cicurious:disqus
    https://i.imgflip.com/1i7ib5.gif

    • daisy

      I thought John T. was our designated dancing fool ?

      • Nat-leficent

        Um, might want to rethink that phrasing Daisy

    • Jimmy3

      You put your left leg in
      You put your right leg out
      You do the Theetie Wheetie
      Shake your thetans all about

      • Nat-leficent

        Oh, oh, now do I’m a little teapot!

        • Jimmy3

          I’m a little teapot, short not stout
          Here is my apple crate, here is my spout
          When I get all steamed up, hear me shout
          YOU HAVE FUCKING DOUBTS??? ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU ARE FUCKING DOUBTING?
          I WILL BURY YOU IN FUCKING AUCKLAND
          DO YOU KNOW WHERE AUCKLAND IS, MOTHERFUCKER???
          SCIENTOLOGISTS IN AUCKLAND DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE AUCKLAND IS
          YOU PIECE OF SER FAC’Y SHIT. ILL CREATE A NEW SET OF ETHICS JUST FOR YOU
          QUIT FUCKING UP

          • Nat-leficent

            Sheer elegance.

          • MarcabExpat

            I hope Rinder sees this and delivers one of his patented giggles.

      • So that really is what it’s all about . . .

    • daisy

      I thought scientologists didn*t believe in dancing. It might lead to sex.

      • pluvo

        Never was a problem with dancing … in the earlier days. The problem later was that there was no more time and opportunity for dancing – at least for staff.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s Baptists, not $cientologists.

    • Vaquera

      Thanks, Nat. Goes into the collection for easy access.

      BTW, though I actually have had to put “layers of poultice, gauze, cohesive bandage and the inevitable duct tape” on a horse’s injury, the linked @Vaquera isn’t this Vaquera. xo

      • Nat-leficent

        Oops

      • Nat-leficent

        I was going to remove it but she hasn’t been on Disqus for seven years. I doubt she’ll mind. I’m going to practice and try again later

        • Vaquera

          Nah, it’s ok to leave it.

    • salin

      Alfreddie, the spinning top.

      Whatever happened to the charges against his wife and their son?

    • Sunny

      This gonna bring my Isaac back….

    • Vaquera

      Spin, spin, spin little Alfraudester of mine, oh.

    • nottrue

      That 30,000 thousand is mine Baby

    • Certainly disproves any stereotype about blacks and rhythm.

    • stanrogers

      Damn bathroom’s gotta be vacant soon!

    • chukicita

      Please Jesus let no one in my congregation see this video of me shuckin and jivin for white peoples money they won’t even see..

  • Dave Reams

    Hmmmm … this NewYorker article* on the super rich building Trementia style bunkers to survive the attacks of the 5th invader force make me wonder if Dave did not build bunkers with blast doors in California, New Mexico, and other places for the very same reason?

    * Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Poor Sean Spicer. He sees the glass not just half full, but full to overflowing. And the rest of the world just doesn’t. Sad.

    • Jimmy3

      THERE IS NO GLASS. PERIOD. If there was a glass, he’d be akeenly aware of its existence.

    • stanrogers

      I, on the other hand, see the glass as just another damned thing I’ll have to wash and dry later.

    • salin

      I wonder what kind of TRs one does to prepare for having to deliver and defend such blatant “alternate facts.”? Surely its something stronger than ashtrays.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Scientology National Affairs Office
    1701 20th St NW
    Washington, DC 20009

    PRESS RELEASE

    Scientologist Trish Duggan today met with senior Trump administration officials to lobby for the establishment of an Office of Scientology in the White House (OSWH). The OSWH would act as an executive police body to sec check and find the crimes of Senators and Congresspeople and other CICS government officials who show SP tendencies towards the President. The OSWH would also burglarize government offices as needed given Scientology’s historical experience in high level burglaries. Mr. Don Alverzo would be the Burglaries IC.

    The President expressed interest but said that Scientology’s proposed prices for these services were an outrageous ripoff. Fleet Admiral David Miscavige quickly offered steep discounts for sec checking if the President promised to protect Scientology’s tax exemption and give Scientology protection from the FBI, IRS, and law enforcement agencies domestic and foreign.

    Fleet Admiral Miscavige demonstrated the e-meter at a press conference today. This was followed by Mr. Ken Delusion conducting a tour of Scientology’s vitally needed new Clay Demo facility in Washington DC.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a7bb522f1370e211fe5a974a29c410bfa544d2561da9ed18051a1012b07ff0d.png

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Trish is starting to look more and more like her art. Pulled up by her bootstraps.

  • Helen Van Patterson Patton

    Former Continental Design employee files lawsuit alleging religious discrimination
    Quality manager says he was forced to take classes in Scientology

    “Everything in this lawsuit is totally false,” Nagengast said, characterizing Wysong as both a disgruntled employee who “did a lousy job.”
    http://www.heraldbulletin.com/news/local_news/former-continental-design-employee-files-lawsuit-alleging-religious-discrimination/article_7a548d23-9f81-5882-b9f1-c7cb8dbb00ea.html

  • Mac

    I’ve been reading more and more about France and the steps their government has taken to protect families and individuals against cults since the 1980s. It’s a different world there now and it would be great if the US government would set up and fund similar institutions.

    But as Tony is saying the US has more “mainstream” churches who would defend Scientology in order to defend themselves like the Mormons and the Jehova Witnesses, which I never really thought of as a cult until you mentioned it above. But you are correct. They take over your life.

    • Mac

      And of course in Canada there is nothing. Just nothing to protect people.

      • Mac

        My husband is a teacher and he has to fill in for a history teacher today who is really disorganized. He said what should I teach–there will probably be nothing. I said why not teach about cults. The warning signs, how they work, how to tell the difference between them and a legitimate religion or set of courses.

        • Great idea, Mac.

        • Or, the history of cults, cause you know……its a history class…

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Only Tom Cruise knows the history of cults.

            • Yeah, I guess I was just being glib.

          • Mac

            Good point. But when did it start? Probably at the dawn of time.

        • Sherbet

          Husband doesn’t teach at Delphi, does he? If so, this ain’t gonna work too well.

          • Mac

            I hope not. I’m not even sure what Delphi is. Although it sounds ominous.

            • Missionary Kid

              Delphi is a $ciontology school.

        • chukicita

          The whole religion thing can be left out. People been arguing for centuries about that.

          Kids do need to learn about high control organizations. There are a lot of BS Detection Kit teaching tools online to help anyone learn to analyze and evaluate baloney! Logic also helps, just learning debate basics about what constitutes a valid argument. For Xenu’s sake, these kids are living in times when their leaders are normalizing “alternative facts.”

      • kemist

        Well, here (Quebec) we manage quite well.

        Our DPJ and Ministry of Health scare the shit out of them so badly even our homegrown ones leave for other parts of Canada.

        I remember when that bucket of rotten assholes Roch “Moise” Theriault moved to Ontario because he was investigated for negligent treatment of children. The Ontarian equivalent of the DPJ didn’t find anything wrong with his cult… Well, until one of the women in the cult escaped after he had cut off her arm in a drunken attempt at “surgery”.

        • Mac

          Hey Kemist. Good to hear from you. What is going on now in Quebec? I had a friend there twenty years ago that fell into something callled Le Maitre d’Orien ou le nom O’Ryan. J’ai jamais connus l’orthographe. I bet you never heard of that one! There are s a quite a few catholic cults there. It took me months to calmly challenge these insane self-hating things they were teaching him and he became very withdrawn, impatient and depressed. What has the province done to counteract cults. I’m genuinely curious. France seems to have done a great job.

          • kemist

            We have closed our Narconon (the ministry of health shut it down, with no appeals, after complaints from David Love).

            Then the DPJ (Direction de la Protection de la Jeunesse) has investigated many of them for negligent treatment of children (witholding medical treatment, corporal punishment or not sending your kid to school is a big no-no for the DPJ. If you do not comply, you will lose custody of your children). The latest case was a nice little jewish cult called Lev Tahor. When that happen, Lev Tahor pulled stakes and moved out of the province.

            If an adult wants to join a cult, then I’m afraid freedom of religion allows them to do that. What we focus on here is :

            – Enforcing our own laws, regardless of your religious creed (we still have some progress to make in that regard, in the case of illegal jewish school for example)

            – Protecting the rights of children, against their parents if need be (that has pushed away a lot of abusive cults, like Lev Tahor, the mennonites, the FLDS)

            – Prosecuting the illegal practice of medicine (like in the Narconon case)

            These things keep away the worst abusers (those who abuse children, especially) IMHO. It would not be a bad idea to implement an educative program to warn people about undue influence – if you can convince the ministry of health to spend the money, which will be difficult.

            If you want to help your friend, I recommend Steve Hassan’s book Combating Mind Control.

            • Mac

              My friend is out. And then got into a relationship and found what he needed in another person. So he is ok. I will have to look up this Lev Tahor. It sounds like Quebec is ahead of the game as usual and that the rest of Canada needs to catch up.

            • Mac

              OMG. I’m reading about Lev Tahor now.

      • Kim O’Brien

        common sense works

        • Mac

          With respect, common sense cannot keep you from falling victim to a cult. Once you cross the threshold there’s a lot of pressure that overcome the desire to walk away.

  • Observer
  • nottrue

    Thank you….My arm feels much better now….But whatever that is on your chest you will have to remove it..It could be used as a weapon .. . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc5d69811558f4deb0a709e3f2beb69aaec18ceba7b57c03ad7b723e2ca95ab4.jpg

  • Vaquera
    • Bam.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      I’ve seen some clever posters from the women’s march, but that one is now my favorite! 🙂

    • Sherbet

      That’s going to bring Walt back from the grave.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hilarious! We’re going to need more than a spoonful of sugar to help the “medicine” go down, though.

    • chukicita

      Great. Now I have ‘um diddle-iddle-iddle, um diddle-aiiii’ in my head.

      • Vaquera

        Scientology can help you wit….Oh, nevermind.

      • stanrogers

        Anyone ever give your nose a tweak?

        • chukicita

          and told me i was bad.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      OK…that is just fabulous, truly. Best poster of all the ones I’ve seen.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Who still tells the truth? Trump? CNN?
    Who can you trust?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSBYAKdiUno

  • Jeb Burton

    Can’t the FBI or the IRS investigate no matter who is President? Its a fucking criminal enterprise.

    • Juicer77

      Yes, they are not part of the Executive Branch. They are part of the Judicial. They do not take orders from the President. At least the system is designed that way.

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s a criminal enterprise with deep pockets, so it takes political will to see investigations through to legal proceedings. It would take years and $$$ and people’s careers

    • i think they are busy investigating the president :-O

  • Jimmy3

    I miss that guy Scoop Push. Anyone seen him lately?

    • Just look for the steam . . .

    • Strain Plop?

    • What’sup

      He rage quit last night.

      Oh, my bad, that was Skip Press.

      • Jimmy3

        Dirty hateful liberal anonymous coward. Your probley not even a real American.

        • What’sup

          I just realized that was your point. I should never comment when i first awake.

          I get jokes. I sometimes do.

          • Jimmy3

            You anonymous taliban commenters never get jokes unless they are included as a free coupon in your welfare check envelope. I met Ronald Reagan at a laundromat in 1976 you piece of shit.

            • What’sup

              I deserve that.

            • Jimmy3

              wutang clam forever

      • DoveAlexa

        I always miss the best drama…

      • Observer

        He’s done it before.

        • Sherbet

          Yes, he has, but he finds us irresistible.

        • chukicita

          He used to post to a.r.s. He would get annoyed and flounce every now and then. I think Skip must be a hard person to be.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Barry Pepper’s tweets are great! Good to know his opinion on Leah’s show and Scientology.

    BTW, I think his movie character’s middle name is a dog’s name. (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2724e45e509330899dd98a451936c2b27e3248c31c7f8770cc30692e96c06a3d.gif

    • Joe

      Oh my God, I love dogs.

  • Kim O’Brien

    This is totally Off Topic but i just wanted to say that Willem Dafoe was amazing in Speed 2 . I think . Pretty sure .

    carry on

    • Liberated

      Anytime a famous person’s name is mentioned my first thought is Oh, no did they die?

    • Sherbet

      He’s pretty darn good in the Snickers commercial, too.

      Carrying on. And on.

    • stanrogers

      Having seen the trailer before it was released, I can safely say that I will never have sufficient evidence to agree or disagree with you.

      • Kim O’Brien

        jason patrick took his shirt off . and then willem was a bad guy . then jason patrick took his shirt off

        • Sherbet

          Good plot.

        • Jimmy3

          To be clear for the record, he only took his shirt off to cover his face, so that no one would know he was in Speed 2

          • Kestrel

            I’ll bet he cashes the check.

        • Ugh he was so hot in Lost Boys.

          • Kim O’Brien

            preach

          • Ella Raitch

            I really should read all the comments before posting….snap

        • Ella Raitch

          He was the ‘who’s that guy’ of Lost Boys

    • just another guy out there

      You are too much! 😉

      • Kim O’Brien

        😉

    • Ella Raitch

      Also, nice use of leeches and Maori actors in an action flick

  • Georgia Harper

    recruiting Trump is a non-starter. His first cheque would bounce.

  • Paul V. Tupointeau

    Meanwhile on Teegeeack
    Billionaire scilons are
    Safepointing, schmoozing and
    Taking great pains
    Learning to parrot the
    Golden-haired carrot who
    Might let their cult keep its
    Ill-gotten gains
    😉

  • Vaquera

    This was posted by Tampa Scio on Facebook 7 hours ago. Can an ex explain why renting out a room in one’s home would be a required step in order to activate a staff contract? f5
    (Perhaps this person needs the extra $$ to make up for other lost income as a result of signing a 2.5/5 year contract?)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d55d178067ef79f610633a3433c1899074106f76155a1e4fd29829fe4169abc.jpg

    • Probably Project Prepare thing. Just like in the Sea Org.
      Meaning if someone will rent it from them, it will give them enough cash to stay on staff.

      • Vaquera

        Thanks. I thought maybe it was some random requirement that I’d missed knowing about after several years of being a part of the ASC.

        • Kim O’Brien

          we need trophies for howdycon. there are some good ASC meritoious maximus awards to be handed out …LOL

          • Vaquera

            Participation trophies!

            • Sunny

              Maybe I will be there if there are participation trophies…..

            • Robert Eckert

              Shorpy gave out goldenrods at HowdyCon Cleveland

        • Very welcome.

    • Observer

      I’m not an ex, but I wonder if it has something to do with making sure the staff member has some kind of income since they won’t be getting much of one from Scientology.

      • Yes.

        • Observer

          $350 a month ain’t much, no matter where you live in this country.

          • But they will also get ~$250 a month sometimes from the org. See?
            That’s like $600 a month. Crazy money.

            • Observer

              Crazy is right.

            • flyonthewall

              EVERY month??

      • Vaquera

        Thx

        Add: It does seem overly caring on CoS’s part.
        Add: overtly caring

    • Sunny

      It is not a set in stone thing, but a case by case reason for such things. The idea is that the person joining staff needs to have little to no distractions from being on post.
      When I first read this, it made me think that renting the place would give her enough money to pay the property space for the mobile, so she would not have to be concerned about that being covered monthly and would have a place to stay.
      Who knows how and when her next meal would be though… $350 is pretty short to cover everything for a month.

  • Observer
    • kemist

      I’d be ashamed if my kid had posted something so fucking stupid too. I mean I think I knew the basics of how vaccines work in 3rd grade, max ?

      I think I’d seriously consider disowning the idiot.

      • Kestrel

        His friends must be laughing their collective butts off.

      • April

        People have forgotten how many kids died of preventable diseases before vaccines were invented. Parents had to have at least half a dozen kids, not just because they were needed to work the farm, but also so that hopefully at least one of them would live to adulthood and take care of them in their old age.

  • J. Swift

    Scientologist Greta Van Susteren has been working with Trump for years, giving him positive coverage on FoxNews and has ties to him. There was a FoxNews segment: Greta meets the Trumps:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uoXxAy07z8

    Media Matters now claims NBC’s hiring of Greta Van Susteren and Megyn Kelly are part of an NBC plan to normalize Trump: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2017/01/04/nbc-building-trump-normalization-machine/214925


    NBC Is Building A Trump Normalization Machine

    Before the Republican primary, Trump appeared more times on Van Susteren’s On The Record than on the rest of the Fox News prime-time shows combined. During the Republican primary, Van Susteren had Trump on for over five hours, dwarfing other candidates.

    If one believes Media Matters, then we can expect to see Rachel Maddows leave MSNBC followed perhaps by Chris Hayes and Lawrence O’Donnell. This scenario makes sense as NBC and MSNBC work to take market share from the highly profitable FoxNews. NBC looks like it wants to do a reboot and refocus to be more like FoxNews at the outset of the Trump administration. Once Bill O’Reilly retires, then FoxNews only has Sean Hannity left as a Trump insider.

    Greta Van Susteren and her husband John Coale have ties to Trump so it is fair to speculate that the Coale-VanSusteren’s got Trish Duggan access to Kellyanne Conway, Newt Gingrich, etc. The goal is to safepoint Scientology — and very possibly by using Bob Duggan’s cash to fund Trump-related PAC’s. Scientology clearly has to swing hard to Trump to safepoint itself in DC. The problem is that the Cult does not have a deep bench of talent or money. Van Susteren-Coale and Bob and Trish Duggan are the top tier. I can’t imagine Scientology actually allowing Grant and Elena Cardone anywhere near DC to rep the Cult as they are not anywhere near DC material in terms of PR, elegance, or brains. The Cardone’s are 2nd tier hustlers, and Grant especially is an obnoxious and transparent hustler suitable for perhaps YHR or CCHR duties.

    Media Matters (op cit): What the future may bring:There are other problem spots on NBC News and MSNBC. Meet The Press fell for Trump’s spin on climate change, just as it bought his take on North Carolina’s anti-LGBTQ law. The show has also at various points ignored or glossed over stories like the Dakota Access Pipeline, the Trump University settlement, the investigation of the Trump Foundation, the proven lawbreaking at the Trump Foundation, the Democracy Spring protests, some of Trump’s sketchy ties to Russia, the EPA’s Clean Power Plan, and the nomination of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. The hosts did find time to let Iraq War architect Paul Wolfowitz relitigate the invasion. They also let Glenn Beck attempt to rehabilitate his reputation — twice. And it’s not just one show. The spectre of increasing Trump normalization talk on MSNBC brings to mind the network’s shady history in the first term of the Bush administration.

    MSNBC’s prime-time voices like Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, and Lawrence O’Donnell are resisting efforts to normalize Trump. But it’s unclear whether they can win that fight with the leading voices at MSNBC
    and NBC News pushing the other way, much less with the network itself in bed with Trump. And if Trump puts net neutrality rules on the table, NBC’s parent company, Comcast, would surely have an interest.

    All of this bears close watching. But the long and short of it is that the network seems primed to become a Trump normalization machine.

    • Observer

      Dang, looking at their faces on the still I’m thinking “Greta Meets the Grumps” might be more appropriate.

    • Kestrel

      “I can’t imagine Scientology actually allowing Grant and Elena Cardone anywhere near DC to rep the Cult as they are not anywhere near DC material in terms of PR, elegance, or brains. The Cardone’s are 2nd tier hustlers, and Grant especially is an obnoxious and transparent hustler suitable for perhaps YHR or CCHR duties.”

      Oof.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Doesn’t Megyn Kelly hate Trump? I think she just wrote a book about this past election year and what she went through. Plus Rachel Maddow is a dedicated liberal who doesn’t like him either, so how would either one “normalize” Trump? As far as Greta Van Susteren, she is just a mystery to me in a lot of ways. (gave a ton of money to Samaritan’s purse, which is a christian relief organization, not a Scientology front group)

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, but they kissed and made up apparently.

    • Ben Franklin

      I don’t believe that the hiring of Greta Van Susteren by MSNBC, and Megyn Kelly by NBC, have anything to do with Donald Trump. Once in a while media outlets switch between liberal and conservative stance in their programming depending on what is popular at the time. Both MSNBC and NBC are just trying to shake off claims that their programming is too liberal by hiring some known conservative leaning anchors.

      • J. Swift

        Ben, imo it’s all about the money and what sells. FoxNews pulled in $1.5 billion in profit in 2015. MSNBC earned a measly $227 million. If Fox’s style of news sells and NBC can potentially grab 50% of Fox’s market by hiring Megyn and Greta, that pushes MSNBC to $1 billion in profits while pushing Fox down to $750 million in profits with a loss of 50% of its audience.

        From CBS Money Watch: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-would-fox-news-be-worth-without-roger-ailes/

        The Pew Research Center’s latest State of the News Media report issued in June estimated Fox News’ 2015 profit at $1.5 billion, well ahead its closest rival Time Warner’s (TWX) CNN, which Pew estimated to earn $381 million, and Comcast’s (CMCSA) MSNBC, which Pew projected to earn $227 million. Profit margins for cable channels are around 50 percent, far better than what traditional publishers earn.

        Revenue among these rivals wasn’t close, either, with Fox projected to bring in $2.3 billion compared with CNN’s $1.2 billion and MSNBC’s $518 million. Cable news viewership spikes during presidential elections as does advertising revenue, though local stations — particularly those in battleground states — make the biggest election-year money.

        • Ben Franklin

          I agree. In TV business it’s all about the money.

    • FredEX2
    • pluvo

      I wonder where Greta Van Susteren is now on the Bridge. I can’t believe that her last course was in 1997. Maybe she did Super Power; that is not listed. http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/g/greta-coale.html
      And how does this all work when her sister is a psychiatrist? http://gawker.com/5272012/what-does-greta-van-susterens-psychiatrist-sister-think-of-scientology

      Her husband John Coal: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-p.-coale.html

    • Mockingbird

      Fucking wonderful. If Fox news gets a collaborator the two can act like they together give the full perspective on the news. Propaganda machine in overdrive.

      There are already millions of Americans that have a right wing talk radio station and no alternatives that listen to that at work and in the car then watch Fox news at night. I know plenty of guys that think between Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly they have all the information they will ever need.

  • nottrue
  • flyonthewall

    I almost fell into a Trump-Russia conspiracy theory sand trap earlier. Then I was like, hey this is just the ravings of a lunatic. There are no sources cited or anything! That was close.

  • Lanie

    Can someone tell me how the church works in regards to politics? Do they try to coerce members into voting a certain way? I know Kirstie Alley has pledged support of Trump on twitter.. Greta seems to be a conservative.. While Bijou Phillips (not sure how involved she is with the church) has posted liberal political musings on instagram.. and Juliette Lewis seems anti-Trump.. Do they wade into that.. or is that the one thing they don’t try to exert control over as to not alienate anyone?

    • It largely depends on who supports scientology front groups, imho.

      • Lanie

        They’re opportunists, so yeah.. That makes sense. Thanks for the response!

    • Sunny

      Actually there is a Tone Scale of politics written by LRH. If I remember right, Republican is at or near the top. It has numbers that correlate to the emotional Tone Scale of Scientology.
      Wow, I can’t believe I remembered that.
      Of course I don’t know which book it was in. It is in a Basic book, I know that much, but I don’t know where.

  • scottmercer

    Sorry, I have to say this. OMG, the New York accents on that March 4 Life radio. I am from New Jersey, and both of my parents were from the Bronx. But she has the thickest, most annoying New York accent I’ve heard in years.

    • jazzlover

      Sure they’re not Joisy accents? 😉

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • “Can I keep the personality?” Briliant.

    • Sherbet

      Hey, she’s aiming for a foot bullet.

  • Leah Remini answers a question about the episode, “The Apostate.”

    http://i.imgur.com/FZ4FS5A.png

    • Thank you!

    • Robert Eckert

      That “later date” being the start of Season 2, we postulate?

    • MarcabExpat

      WOOHOOO

  • Ella Raitch

    #spicerfact tweet had me choking last night
    https://twitter.com/owillis/status/823061509232279553

    • Kestrel

      I read ‘spicerfact tweet’ as ‘spicerfart tweet’. An apparent need for reading glasses is not a good thing for a raptor.

      • Ella Raitch

        Actually, those two terms are closer than you might imagine

      • Me three.

    • daisy

      So funny and cool.

    • Sherbet

      I’ve been wondering what Bert Leahy has been up to.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Donald Trump, Putin and Robert Kennedy Jr. walk into a bar.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8b1083026fecbd6dfe93d5d4b5a88a5f713af7bcc5b4f218ab429201c3d636a.jpg

    Trump says ” Vlad, Buy me a drink,
    fuck the emoluments shit in the constitution.
    And thank you bigly for the hacking.
    Vladimirovich , you son of a bitch, I owe you.
    Bigly.”

    Putin smiles.
    “I know, I know,”

    Kennedy says “I need this shit like I need a hole in the head.”

    “That’s your uncle Jack’s line,” says Putin.

    • Kim O’Brien

      too soon

    • Sherbet

      No, Pan. Please go carve a spoon for a while. 🙁

    • Graham

      The graphic; double plus good. The joke; double plus ungood.

  • Vaquera
    • stanrogers

      Can somebody help me choose a dressing to use on that salad?

      • daisy

        For the weight conscience oil and vinegar – for taste blue cheese with big hunks of blue cheese.

        • FredEX2

          That actually sounds good!

        • FredEX2

          yum.

      • OOkpik

        Clam sauce diluted with whine.

    • Dear friends, I am blocking all of you right now. Thanks Obama for not giving us Cuban cigars, you are blocked too. Bye Ortega, Rinder and Remini for not giving us Season 3. Yep, blocked. Have a nice day.

      • FredEX2

        I still see you Dodo 😘

        • I’m not here.

          • FredEX2

            Ok. ( whispers…but i still see you Dodo )…tippeetoes off…shhhhhhh

      • salin

        About the same level of random, non qualified (explained) rants. Well done.

    • Ben Franklin

      What is a hostile service?

      • FredEX2

        Don’t know Ben, but I’m pretty sure I don’t want to buy one…could be anything from snake oil…to a nest of vipers.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, so scientology.

          • FredEX2

            Yep! LOL

      • jazzlover

        That’s when a waitress spits in your food because you’ve been rude.

      • Vaquera

        Yes, kidding aside, I’d like to know.

    • Observer

      Poor guy must have done the Ls.

    • Sherbet

      Heck, well, this makes it very clear. I, too, am going to block Polo Maldonado because of, um, something.

      PS: If Polo is serious with his threats to Donald Trump, this person’s “correct terminal” is the FBI.

      • Liberated

        Ha you said terminal.

        • Sherbet

          Yes? I don’t understand.

          • Liberated

            People in the cult always used the word terminal when they didn’t know what else to say, I always thought they sounded like idiots, trying to be important.
            I was just joking around and have never thought that about you.
            That word has always cracked me up….that’s all.

            • Sherbet

              I was quoting the “Polo Maldonado” person, who said he/she will send “a full report to the correct terminal.”

              I agree that the church’s use of the word “terminal” is goofy beyond belief.

  • nottrue
  • FredEX2

    This article from the Tampa Bay Beat makes it sound like Trump & Scientology have been friendly for a long time… http://tampabaybeat.info/index.php/2016/10/06/donald-trump-pam-bondi-and-the-church-of-scientology/
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d87f05626dbfa86ecd57c02412d0f2a6c33929eaf52b392b82bd1c857c2f9c5f.jpg

    Heard from Tony that evidently much of this isn’t true.

    • Observer

      Trump needs a stylist for his eyebrows.

      • They’re sickening.
        And also a weave.

        • salin

          Odd, after spending months in the public eye with such a … er.. “healthy” tanning bed (or spray tan?) that he is looking more pasty – like many of look all of the time. Guessing the reality of the time commitment required (esp on top of lack of sleep due to late night tweet storms that there isn’t the same time for the vanity tanning (bed or spray) time.

      • chukicita

        I don’t think it will help.

    • Tony Ortega

      That guy was determined to write that conclusion, no matter how much I told him there as no evidence for what he was saying. That column is utter bullshit.

      • flyonthewall

        you want I should take care of him?

        • Sherbet

          No, Polo Maldonado will handle it.

          • Vaquera

            Damn you’re fast, woman.

            • Observer

              None faster.

            • Sherbet

              Aw, you folks are nice.

            • Vaquera

              Like a whip

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks for saving me a wild goose chase. I have plenty of good stuff to read.

      • chukicita

        I live here and feel somewhat connected to local news, but have never heard of this blog.

    • jazzlover

      roflmao. At least she’s going after the guy whose very essence defines the word “dick”.

    • Observer

      I prefer to think that none of these people even have genitals. The alternative is too horrifying.

      • 50 shades of orange.

        • dungeon master

          {{{{Wince}}}

    • flyonthewall

      put your hand in the box

    • flyonthewall
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      One tiny prick and you’ll be dead. Huh? No, not YOUR tiny prick….my tiny prick….ahem, with this needle thing you see? The Gom Jabbar. Oh for fuck sakes, forget about it!

  • salin

    Appreciation for the thought provoking essay by our proprietor, and the ensuing conversations in the comments community. Reminder to remember to click ‘Recommend’ and upvote today’s Edition of the UndergroundBunker. To lurkers – even if you are not registered with Disqus, you have a vote (a recommend is like an ‘upvote’) to give. Want to make a bigger impact than just an upvote, consider getting a subscription to the UB (at $3 a month, it is a small price for supporting such great, focused reporting.

    Can we get the reccomend number closer to 150 (it’s at 120 now)?

    Reminder graphic – an amazing Auora captured earlier today in Canada: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=132426&PHPSESSID=6os817u5d1akglo6as32st18n3

    • Liberated

      Yes, salin

  • Mockingbird

    Apologies if It has been posted already.

    US Uncut reported Trump supporters defend Adolf Hitler in response to Pope Francis’ remarks about white nationalism

    • Sherbet

      That’s not a badminton racket, but who cares?

      • daisy

        That racket is made of catgut . Racket what racket ?

        • Sherbet

          We’ve certainly come full circle with the catgut joke.

          • daisy

            Pretty much sewn it up. Now I am done.Not sure where Phil has been.

        • Vaquera

          Winner

          • daisy

            Nope , always Sherb.

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      *ahem* So…. do you prefer to call it a birdie or a shuttlecock?

      • OOkpik

        A hole in one?

      • Sherbet

        Well, it’s really a tennis racket, so…

        • Paul V. Tupointeau

          I see. Part of the fuzzy balls crowd, then 😉

    • Kim O’Brien

      if this is they guy who said he would offer free tennis lesson …then yes . yes i will play tennis .

      • Ella Raitch

        He looks too much like Tom Cruise. I thought it was a shoop with his face on someone else’s body.

        • Kim O’Brien

          LOL ..way to ruin it for me 🙁

          • Ella Raitch

            Can’t be unseen, right?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      What were you searching for when you came across this guy? 😉

      • Sherbet

        “Team Sports”

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Wire fencing?

          • Sherbet

            Yeah, that’s the ticket.

      • Tennis hats.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I call BS

    • Fly Lady

      The new iPhone portrait mode *is* really nice.

      • Vaquera

        PTS boy

    • daisy

      Srsly I think he has had cheek implants .

      • Sherbet

        Somewhere, John Travolta is weeping, because he used to look like that.

        • Fly Lady

          like that or at that?

          • Sherbet

            Both!

          • Rasha

            ShhhBAP!

      • Vaquera

        Hey, I’ve squeezed Fian’s cheeks and they are 100% real and kissable.

    • Vaquera

      I don’t understand why everyone’s making such a big deal over the guy’s tattoo.

      • Sherbet

        The tattoo says, in Chinese: “Look down”

        • Vaquera

          ^^^

    • Liberated

      Googling for pencil drawings of hands again?

      • Not this time.

        • Vaquera

          Is this going to be a regular 9:00-ish EST thing, because I can set my alarm.

          • daisy

            giggle hysterically. I am just going to stay awake in case.

    • salin

      Confident player. Could allow for some quite painful incidents if the swing missed the tennis ball. Yikes.

    • Vaquera

      Henceforth, he will be known as PTS boy.

      • Liberated

        He could be my potential trouble source any day.

    • flyonthewall

      DodoTheSmutPeddler

    • Rasha

      …worst thing you can do for your swing is clench. He’s doing it all wrong. Let the racquet do its job. Relax and let the energy flow to the racquet. Clenching is for play at the net. And his grip is all wrong — more play in the wrist. Let it swing…

      …oh, I’m sorry. What are we talkin– WOAH, DODO!!! …okay, well, he needs to pay attention to the breeze, ‘cuz that will affect the shuttlecock. Just sayin’…. Carry on…..

    • Nat-leficent

      Why? Why?

    • Jimmy3

      I got an emergency text alerting me there’s butts on the bunker
      I need to throw this phone in the goddamn river

    • Nat-leficent

      This is not for straight women. We usually don’t like the over the shoulder coy thing.

    • Badminton is a very rigorous sport for real.

    • FredEX2

      I like his personality. Very uptone kind of guy by the looks of him.

    • Snippy_X

      To Davy with Love / TC

  • allioops

    Drumpf is a self-serving egomaniac,; sound familiar my SP, declared, friends??

  • Kim O’Brien

    I know the people who run this B & B …if anyone wants to stay here …let me know ASAP .

    http://www.capitolhillmansion.com/

    • chukicita

      That looks so beautiful! I wish I could go.

    • daisy

      Makes that English castle Mappin runs look like an outhouse. ( actually looks like that anyway.)

      • stanrogers

        The outhouses are inside the castle.

        • Graham

          Everyone gets their own individual outhouse, right there in the room.

      • It’s not a castle. It’s a hotel build in 1899 with some eccentric decorative features which look like crenellations but aren’t. It was originally designed as a grand terminus hotel for a planned branch railway line from Camelford that was never built.

        • daisy

          I hear the *art* is fantastic. The reviews are hilarious.

          • According to Wikipedia:

            The exterior of the Camelot Castle Hotel was used to portray Dr. Seward’s asylum in the 1979 film, Dracula starring Laurence Olivier and Donald Pleasence.

            That gives you some idea of how attractive the building is. The management hasn’t impressed the local media either.

            In November 2010, an exposé of the hotel’s business practices was broadcast by the BBC television programme Inside Out South West

            You could watch that on YouTube, but it was taken down due to a copyright claim not by the BBC, but by Camelot Castle Hotel… http://exscientologistsireland.org/inside-out-south-west-on-camelot-castle/

    • For one tier of the rooms: “Rate: $199.00 a night, plus tax”
      That is not bad at all for what it is.
      So, since you know them you can get deal, right?

      • Kim O’Brien

        yes

        • Fantastic place.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i’ll call her tomorrow and get back to you about the rate 😉

            • You don’t have to, its unlikely for me.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i hope this does not mean you will not be here . i liked meeting you last year

            • Iffy.

    • Nat-leficent

      Pretty

  • Sunny
    • Vaquera

      brilliant

    • daisy

      genius

    • April

      Voiceover talking about the miniature village, “… the squares are so small it takes hardly any people to fill them!”

      Omg I nearly died.

      • jazzlover

        Sounds like the kinda squares Davey could use so his photoshopping would be more believable.

    • Rasha

      “You can grab them by the pony…”

    • pluvo

      It’s great. It’s absolutely fantastic. It’s true. It’s unbelievable.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Somebody just barely sent this to my cell phone, I literally just finished watching it. Funny !!

    • stanrogers

      I suspect I may have just spent several minutes disturbing the neighbours. Now it’s off to the ER to get my broken ribs set.

  • Annette Fransbergen

    Trump is close with Tony Robbins. Has Robbins ever been involved with scientology before he began his motivational speaking?

    • Ella Raitch

      I had reason to try and dig up dirt on Robbins once, and came away pretty much empty handed. Certainly no Scientology ties. The main scandal was around giving out bad financial advice to followers. If there is dirt. I would like to know about it.

      • JJ

        Technically he is already OT8. He self-motivated it without buying the text and workin’ the tech. They can’t have that!

      • Annette Fransbergen

        Yes. Me also

    • daisy

      So are we !!

      • Liberated

        You know what kills me…all these right wing politicians including Trump, bitch about “if you’re going to live in America then speak English.”
        Well, guess who barely speaks English? The new First Lady.

        • Kim O’Brien

          my neighbors from Colombia have only been here for 5 years . They speak better English . It pisses them off

    • Observer

      They always look miserable in each other’s company.

      • jazzlover

        He loves a trophy, and she’s just now realizing that there’s a price to be paid for being a gold digger. But, just try to imagine Ivana or Marla Maples as first ladies. Yikes!

        • Ella Raitch

          I feel as bad for Melania as I did for Elena Ceausescu

          OK maybe that’s a little harsh, but I don’t buy that she’s some downtrodden observer.

          • jazzlover

            I don’t believe I called her that. She was going for the gusto and everyone knew it. If not for the money, there’s no way in hell somebody like him gets an uber model.

            • Ella Raitch

              I quite likely read into what you said based on other reporting I’m seeing around.

            • jazzlover

              She’s not stupid, but I’m sure she wasn’t counting on this being part of the deal (pun intended). This complicates her life immeasurably. She’ll actually have to make tons of public appearances where she’ll be expected to impress people.

          • Snippy_X

            Not harsh at all. She is complicit. Shame on her.

            • Ella Raitch

              I mean, I ‘m not calling for her execution by a mob….but signs from the women’s march suggesting she blink for help etc are past the mark, I think.

        • JJ

          I don’t think she wanted any of this, and HE ran those last two weeks like he was going to have a really good time being angry he lost, threatening to sue EVERYBODY claiming conspiracies left right and center. An example of be careful what you wish for, the electoral college may just give it to you…?

          • jazzlover

            I didn’t say she wanted this. She probably wasn’t thrilled he ran in the first place. I more than implied that what she wanted was the benjamins.

            • JJ

              Just quoting my Mom. The woman knows how to walk and pose but I doubt we will see much of her. She probably rather just take care of her kid and buy clothes. First Lady isn’t a doss anymore. If it ever was, it sure isn’t now…

          • Frodis73

            I agree…he didn’t really want to win. Now he is stuck. He looked shell shocked the day after election sitting next to Prez O.

    • chukicita

      Resting bitch face, on both of them.

      • Resting Mussolini face and resting Lost Soul face.

        • chukicita

          Resting Mussolini Face. 😀

    • Graham

      If only he were intelligent enough to actually realise this.

  • Sunny
  • SNAFU

    John Carpenter’s “They Live” reference
    http://i.imgur.com/e2cZLWT.gif

    • Rasha

      ACK! ACK ACK!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        WE COME IN PEACE!
        WE COME IN PEACE!
        WE COME IN PEACE!

      • SNAFU

        Nice. “Mars Attacks!” works too.

    • Ella Raitch

      Any theories about why is jacket is 8 sizes too big? Kevlar?

      • stanrogers

        Bigly yugeness is the current policy.

        • Ella Raitch

          To make his hands look tin(ier)

      • stanrogers

        Could also be a Talking Heads tribute thing.

        • jayla197145

          Stan those were great (yugeness, Talking Heads). 🙂 🙂 🙂

        • JJ

          You may ask yourself…

      • JJ

        He never expected he would need to dress like a grown up. It is like the condom in the wallet from 1987…

  • Vaquera

    Two days ago Cardone posted this fan boy pic with Trish.
    ¿Donde Roberto? (f5)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/daf0609c840a32e4cafd32ca0eeeb65da6d3ef72add71b74a537550eb51c09c9.jpg

    • chukicita

      Softened Cardone. Inspiration repellant.

    • salin

      Wondered the same thing. All these pics, no hubby. Given how he mugs for cameras, doesn’t seem likely that he was there, took all the pictures, and wasn’t in a single one.

    • Observer

      Pity he didn’t have his epiphany before his mom died. I’m sure she’d have appreciated some thoughtfulness.

      I, however, think he’s just sucking up to Trish.

      • Vaquera

        I don’t disagree

      • He worships their money. He would say anything to suck up to her. His crap about “softening” is just hilarious.

        • Observer

          I wonder if the Duggans seriously take his fawning as their due, or if they laugh at him behind his back, or both.

          ETA: I has spelled Duggans correctly and without an apostrophe, but autocorrect apparently thought it knew better. Grrrrr

          • Easy as it is to hate on them, the wealthy are constantly under assault by people who want something from them. They develop a thick skin and are rightfully suspicious of poors who want to befriend them (and yes, millionaires are poors to billionaires). It’s another cult of sorts and extremely isolating. I’ve been adjacent to wealthy people in one way or another my whole life and am keenly aware of the dynamic. I even have to check myself and ask “do I like this person?” or am I ‘after them’ for something like a contract, contact or project. There’s a field around great wealth like gravity around Jupiter.

            • Observer

              I have wealthy relatives, so I know what you’re saying. I was only referencing the Scientology factor, though–do they really think they are such big thetans that Grant Cardone’s groveling is no more than they deserve, or do they see it as him trying to weasel into their financial success? Scientology succeeds in one thing: it makes big egos bigger.

            • Well the Duggan’s have the weight of wealth and the weight of cult mind control. Add the sycophantic groveling that the cult engages in and I imagine it’s hard to tell what Cardone is up to. I think he and Elena are Miscavige’s Toadies du Jour.

            • Observer

              It’s all so…icky.

            • That pretty well sums it up. Icky.

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi Artoo,Interesting comment,thank you.Millionaires are poor to billionaires and yes those who have inherited or earned money probably do feel that someone always wants something from them.I grew up in the field you describe and married into it,so I do know this area.But you know,I feel it is not how much money a person or persons have,it is what is in their heart and soul that really counts.The spirit soars above.But I have known plenty of wealthy people who have never even considered they have one.Ron/dm come to mind.💖

            • Hello Ann. Always lovely to hear from you! There are many wonderful, philanthropic rich folks, after all, the wealthy are just people with a wide spectrum of behaviors and personalities. But, as Cyndi Lauper so wisely sang, money changes everything. And not always for the better. The stresses of wealth are rarely considered by those who don’t have it unless they know wealthy people personally. Yes, abundant money and its attendant issues can seem like “good problems to have” and in many ways, they are, but managing, keeping and growing wealth can be stressful. For some, there’s guilt and shame, for some isolation, and still others retreat into insular groups of financial equals, away from the increasing hatred aimed at a one percent that grows richer no matter what economic disasters befall the growing poor, and shrinking middle classes. The system is clearly rigged toward the wealthy and there have been some very bad players in the financial sector and government that have made it worse. The resentment gets aimed at all of the wealthy, deserved or not.
              That said, managing a large personal fortune is a problem I’d gladly try on, seeing as I’m still in debt and recovering from the last economic downturn. At least I’m rich in friends, family and Bunkeroos!

            • Ann B Watson

              Artoo,Double lovely to hear from you.Your last line is exactly how I feel here.Having such diverse and incredible ideas available 24/7 and what I have grown to love about The Bunker is the rapid fire pace that ignites and all the comments get better and better.The ebb and flow is really amazing here.Thank you for a profound comment.💘

    • EmmaDaoust

      I know it’s been said many times before, but her “art” is shit.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Maybe Bob Duggan is recovering from more plastic surgery. Fingers crossed he shows up on Botched 😉 That coat she is wearing looks like it cost about 6 bucks. Nothing spent on hair & make-up apparently. The flowered monstrosity she is wearing above looks like she was styled by Joy Villa. Money can’t by you class or style – not even billions of $$$, it seems. Cardone is hoping to be mentioned in the Duggan will.

      • I loved the weird Bene Gesserit prom dress she wore to one of the awards ceremonies a few years ago.

    • JJ

      Why do they always looked so washed out? Or is that as counter point to the DM uber tan?

  • daisy

    One of the things I like best about this blog is the head shaking ability of the exes to laugh and enjoy life. It is like they need to make up for lost time. I am watching Leah and Miike kibitz. The fun they seem to be having while talking about the worst thing in the world is remakable.I think that is what is appealing ( other than the weird WTF factor ) for people watching. I am seeing a lot of things I have missed because I hang out with you losers program day.It really is just watchable TV. Also Lawrence Wright is such a babe.

  • Vaquera
    • stanrogers

      I somehow doubt he’s out-exchange. I wonder what’s going on.

      • Vaquera

        It seems like the past few days Cardone’s been a single-thetan social media juggernaut for Trish. Is Miscavige controlling the marionette strings or is Grant going rogue? The sudden push is odd.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      It’s moments like this, that I miss Joan Rivers on Fashion Police.

      • Vaquera

        Bam

    • Observer

      💩💩

    • Observer

      Seriously, I wonder if he’s trying to capitalize on the void left by Charmaine Rodger’s death.

      • Vaquera

        Whoa. There’s a curve ball. Nice theory.

    • Vaquera

      With Grant’s many mentions of Trish and the arts, is it naive to hope she’s lobbying Don to keep his tiny hands off of the NEA?

    • EmmaDaoust
      • daisy

        LOL

        • EmmaDaoust

          Well she is an entrepreneur.

          • JJ

            Is that what they call that?

            • ONEpointONE

              Well, JJ, it’s the POLITE word.

            • JJ

              o.k……..;)

        • EmmaDaoust

          then I noticed they’re both standing beside the same dark panelling… huh.

    • There’s something you don’t see every day Chauncey, it’s a Mugatu in a red dress.

  • daisy

    Steve Hassan , such a lovely man .

  • OmegaPaladin

    Mike Rinder is pretty on-point with regards to right wing reluctance to go after SCN. The Christian Right is *not* fond of SCN, and the general opinion is that it is an insane cult. Standard apologetics works denounce SCN as a fraud and false teaching, and have done so since I was a kid. More to the point, the people on the political rgith who I have discussed the Leah Remini show with have been disgusted and horrified. (I actually found out about the show from Ricochet, a center-right blogging website.)

    Now, the problem is how to go after SCN without opening the door for people to go after other religions – for example, prosecuting a priest offering First Communion (which includes wine) to children or something ridiculous like that. I understand that there are people who think having freedom of religion is a mistake, but I don’t think that is a winning argument. If the ex-SCN and anti-SCN people can make a solid *legal* argument that can hit the abuses without messing with most religions, I think we could appeal to the people over on the Right.

    For example, SCN is different from an Orthodox synagogue as the scale of the membership fee is vastly different, and to the best of my knowledge Orthodox congregations would allow a member to attend despite not paying if he or she has a financial hardship. I think it is certainly possible to say that SCN demands money unlike any religious group I have interacted with(including one that was seriously coercive). SCN’s Regs would put televangelists to shame. That’s probably a winning argument against a tax exemption.

    • Nat-leficent

      Freedom of religion shouldn’t cover abuse — especially of children.

      • JJ

        Not in a legal sense but when the orthodoxy says we can and may abuse our children the way our GOD told us we can… You get into murky waters there…

        • Nat-leficent

          Why not evolve as a human society?

          • JJ

            Wish we would, but someone is fighting it, bullies and abusers benefit from the old I didn’t do it and if I did the kid asked for it. and prove it arguments. They will let nothing stand in between them and terrorizing others.

          • ONEpointONE

            We HAVE evolved as a human society and this is what it looks like.

            • stanrogers

              We are DEVO.

            • Nat-leficent

              What? Things are so much better for me and I suspect you than they have been for most people throughout history.

            • JJ

              It is better than say 1400’s have we peaked or are the bullies just digging in out of fear of what being denied the right to treat others as less than human really means…

            • Nat-leficent

              I honestly believe the second thing. A last grasp at unquestioned white supremacy and patriarchy.

            • JJ

              Maybe it is a good sign it is so intense? But then the Holocaust was 70 years ago and they are playing the same record. Some people are never going to give this one up.

            • Qbird
            • JJ

              Otzi was so cool. The only good side of Global Warming, before we all die, think of all the cool stuff we will find in the ice…. early humans, tools, artwork, lost cities, Jimmy Hoffa, space ships, Xenu…

            • stanrogers

              Dude was apparently murdered. Arrow. Talk about your cold case.

            • Qbird

              and he carried with him, goat bacon.

            • JJ

              goat bacon? is that possible?

            • stanrogers

              It’s like turkey bacon, except the turkey is a goat.

            • JJ

              Someone needs to insert screaming goat videos here…

            • Qbird

              Ibex bacon to be more precise… from the article: “Raw meat would probably spoil. So it makes sense that the ice man traveled with cured meat.”

            • Nat-leficent

              Ba dum tsss

            • Nat-leficent

              Oh, this is so going on the Off-topic channel! Thanks Q

            • Qbird

              YaY! So cool.

            • JJ

              Dudes were using the same brains we had when we climbed down outa the trees… roughly. Some more r less, others more so… Some the verdict isn’t in yet.

            • JJ

              exaggeration.. I hope, tell me we have larger brain pans than Piltdown man…

              Lucy?

            • stanrogers

              Piltdown Man had a fully modern brain… because the Piltdown Man hoax was made from a modern human cranium and an orangutan jaw.

            • JJ

              Is that what that was! I have that term stuck in my head for a month and I couldn’t figure out why…

            • stanrogers

              It’s one of those things that Creationists keep bringing up to “disprove” evolution. And El Wrong kept referring to it after the hoax had finally been publicly exposed (it has been regarded as a likely hoax for decades beforehand).

            • JJ

              Like the “man tracks” next to the dinosaur tracks in the river bed?

            • JJ

              Which is worse ignorance or determined ignorance? With the new world of alternate facts we are going to get a good show…

            • stanrogers

              Yep. Just like that.

            • ONEpointONE

              I don’t think we’re much advanced from the tree dwellers. We shave now and wear deodorant but we’re up to the same stuff.

            • Nat-leficent

              I’m a small brown woman. I will never go backward to any other time or society. This is the best possible one that has ever existed from my perspective. I’m fairly safe from rape. I was allowed an education and I’m not anyone’s property.

            • ONEpointONE

              From your perspective. Exactly.

            • Nat-leficent

              What does that mean? Do you know someone who thinks I should be property or denied an education?

            • ONEpointONE

              Yes, I do know of someone who thinks you should be property AND denied an education but I don’t want to name him.

            • Nat-leficent

              Well, that is sick. It benefits no one to keep brown females ignorant or enslaved. They are most of humanity and it is an incredibly inefficient and barbaric squandering of resources.

            • ONEpointONE

              Oh, I wasn’t referring to brown women I was referring to cartoon mice. Sorry. May I paypal you three dollars to make up for any offense?

            • JJ

              it isn’t Mickey is it, that would be so wrong…

            • Nat-leficent

              I think you think you are upsetting me. But you are such an outlier on the scale of acceptable behavior that I’m not scared or anything like that.

            • JJ

              I have become too confused to understand the argument now. Where did mice come in and is it code?

            • ONEpointONE

              Protect me from that depraved woman she wants to do things to me, she’s drugged me with her words!

            • JJ

              still don’t get it, gonna go back to Otzi.

            • Nat-leficent

              I am sure he/she is trying to be scary and intimidating but I feel safe and cozy so no big deal. Social justice may be taboo on the internet but it is actually the correct way to live. Gratitude, compassion, fairness. Those are the ideals.

            • JJ

              I am trying to hold onto them, but I feel I will turn into a misanthrope and figure the world gets what it deserves. But does it really, when so few benefit and so many suffer. That isn’t something that just happens…People work to make the world that uneven and selfish.

            • Nat-leficent

              But more work to make it better. My entire family is made up of teachers — except for two lawyers. We work tirelessly to make up for the damage they do XD

            • JJ

              That is a good combo, the laws and the will to educate the masses, best way to go! Uneducated people can do a lot of harm.

            • beauty for ashes

              Did someone really just offer to paypal you three dollars for offending you? 🙁

            • Nat-leficent

              He/she is just being a weird jerk as far as I can tell

            • beauty for ashes

              It’s so horrible, I almost want to make it a thing. 🙂

            • JJ

              Lots of people, mostly men, scared angry men and someone who wants you reduced to your biologic bits and for you to just do as your told and not ask questions or argue… Whole religious movements were lovingly formed out of that idea thousands of years ago and carried forth today to be bleated in the streets and put on the law books. “See, here it says you have to stay home and do what I tell you to do…!”

            • Nat-leficent

              Free and educated people are always more useful to the societies in which they live than the alternative.

            • JJ

              Unless you are right up at the top and benefit from the unjust system and don’t give a rats ass about anyone but yourself. The thing is, while the top 100th of 1 percent gets rich, they still have to exist in the world that they made to be is so stratified and uneven. Unless they go back to walled cities so to speak. The movie Elysium is a harbinger.

            • JJ

              It is interesting people keep saying this is not good for democracy this is not democratic, there are lots of nations that are not democratic and some that are as undemocratic as it is possible to be, if you control everything and keep people trapped and uneducated and hungry and terrified you have a lot of control. Some people may argue what is best for modern democracy, but I bet deep down they don’t really want one, Trump wanted the be crowned not elected, Checks and balances, people who argue with him and laws are just going to get in his way.
              He doesn’t really want a democracy he wants an oligarchy like Putin has…

            • JJ

              I am a large white woman and I really would not want to be born in another era or in another nation, Maybe some of the Scandinavian countries but the rest…eh?

      • 9001

        There’s a very interesting series of stories on the religious loophole that enables day care centers to get away with that. Not $cirontology but It’s an absolute scandal. https://www.revealnews.org/topic/the-god-loophole/

    • Freedom of belief is absolute. Your behaviour, however, is regulated by common law.

      The behaviour of people with religious belief should not be held to a different standard to everybody else. Everyone should be treated equally under the law – that’s why she is depicted as blindfolded in statues.

      Personally, I don’t think the possession of a metaphysical belief should even let you off taxation, unless it includes works which have a public benefit. I totally fail to understand how employment law can be effortlessly bypassed by claiming that the Sea Org are a religious order.

      These unearned and undeserved benefits are what religious organisations are afraid of losing – benefits that they receive by claiming to believe something that requires faith – that is, something that cannot, in its very nature, be tested for truth.

      This leads to a very strange situation where almost anyone can claim to be a member of a religion but, in practice will only be recognised of they have some kind of tradition behind them (or, in Scientology’s case are willing to play dirty). Familiar weird beliefs are bankable. New weird beliefs are not.

    • Super_Kal

      One big distinction between CO$ and religions is that religions generally have well known doctrines, and often deities. The closest things CO$ members have to deities are Science fiction writer LRon Hubbard (about whom fellow SF writer Randall Garrett (on his way to breakfast with a group of fans) once told a book-hawking scientologist setting up a sidewalk display in Pasadena CA, “Young man, I knew L. Ron Hubbard when he was a *small* time crook”) and David Mcsavage, the current church leader whose personality reportedly bears a resemblance to that of the 45’th president of the U.S.

      Until members have spent enough money, that is.

      Then they discover that there is a doctrine that they are not permitted to learn until authorized (supposedly at the risk of dying from pneumonia).

      Wikipedia’s summary of the doctrine is essentially “Lord Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy 75 million years ago, which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth. Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of psychiatrists, he gathered billions of his citizens under the pretense of income tax inspections, then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls. They were sent to Earth in a spacecraft resembling a Douglas DC-8, and unloaded around the bases of volcanoes across the planet. Hydrogen bombs were then lowered into the volcanoes and detonated simultaneously, resulting in hundreds of billions of disembodied souls. These disembodied souls were then forced to watch an Imax-like movie, for 36 days, containing subliminal messages that screwed up their disembodied brains. The story then continues with ideas that begin to further stretch credulity.

      Even though it is supposed to have been a big secret until a certain amount of money has been spent by cult members, Hubbard wrote it up in a film script that could have potentially been seen by anybody for the price of an admission ticket. Had fundraising to finance the film been sucessful, Hubbard could have killed the secret, limiting the financial growth of his empire.

      Via legal and other bullying, CO$ managed to gain tax exempt status.

      Right now, President Trump is poised to extend the scope of such status via repeal of “the Johnson Amendment” which would allow religions to legally participate fully in politics, permitting significantly narrowing “separation of church and state”. The intent is to throw open the floodgates for real religions, but scientology could benefit from that too.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Question: Who is most likely to molest your child?
    A) A stranger
    B) A registered sex offender
    C) A psychiatrist
    Answer: A psychiatrist is 3x more likely to sexually molest your child

    Sorry CCHR but the truth is that a child is most likely to be molested by a relative or family friend. And often by older children who have been molested themselves. Doctors/psychiatrists would be way down on the list. Even with these 3 skewed choices, since strangers are about 10% of the molesters, there is no way 11% of children are molested by psyches. SMH

    Tip – this video is almost tolerable if you sing out the lyrics of Norman Greenbaum’s “Spirit in the Sky” while it plays.
    https://youtu.be/wB11W2KGdr0

    • JJ

      What are the numbers if your father is a psychiatrist (former)and a registered sex offender?

      And I am only almost joking…

      • And if you don’t know him as he walked out on your mom at birth?

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • JJ

      Dave’s comin right? He likes women and he loves guns and it it’s just across the street…

    • Robert Eckert
      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, with a name like Sniff you’d think he’d be able to tell there’s something rotten going on at Gold Base, huh?

      • Observer

        We have a prosecutor named Gary Nasal.

        • Qbird

          Oh yeah?! Well…

          Years ago, we had a sheriff down in town & his last name was Gehrke.
          (it is pronounced ‘jerk’ — yes, it really is.)
          He had a deputy whose last name was Suck.
          (rhymnes with BOOK — I am dead-dog serious.)

          but the locals called them the Meoff Boys anyway.

          no shit. I couldn’t make that up if I tried.

          • Observer

            :-O

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    So, does Barry Pepper’s tweets to Leah mean that the clams can no longer watch Battlefield Earth now that Johnny Goodboy was portrayed by an anti-religious bigot SP? The clams should be sending him gift baskets in gratitude.

    • John Prince

      EXCELLENT Point , You intergalactic trouble-makin’ fuckin’ SP aquatic mammal 😎
      is osa on to this GIGANTIC PTS?

  • daisy

    Night Bunkmates . I am going to try and sleep. I have heard good things about it.

    • JJ

      I’m watching the Modurodam tour on youttube…

      • JJ

        Stupid question would DM like miniatures or would he feel touchy about it?

    • Qbird

      Thank you for making me laugh when I feel blue, Dasiy.

      • daisy

        What a lovely compliment.thank you.This blog helps me when I am blue.

    • stanrogers

      It ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. And you miss out on all of the eventual hallucinations.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Sweet dreams.

  • Liberated

    Adeeen Menzele is on Seth Meyer.

    • Could you say that again?

      • Liberated

        What I would give to hear Travolta butcher her name again.

  • KTBug

    How could the Duggans be Scientologists when they owned a pharmaceutical company? Oh, never mind… I forgot.. it’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$.

    • Tony Ortega

      They sold a cancer drug. Scientology is opposed to psych drugs.

      • Graham

        They make a big deal about being against psych drugs but I thought they were also against any form of medication??

        • Robert Eckert

          They’re not formally against medicine, they just have a tendency to get into woo (chiropractors and so on) and to think that sickness is the ill person’s fault (“pulled it in” so a little auditing should make them better), and of course, in the case of Sea Org members medical treatment is avoided because it would cost money.

          • Graham

            Thanks for the response. So basically they’re not formally against medication, however taking medication makes no sense if you believe all ills can be cured by their particular brand of magical thinking. So I guess to take medication would be somehow to feel oneself a failure…

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, they ban ‘psych drugs like aspirin and advil days before a audit..

      • Ann B Watson

        Yes they surely did sell a cancer drug. I have told my oncologist if I ever have to have chemo I will not use the Duggans stuff. And my heavens he agreed with me! 💛

  • daisy

    I guess sleep is overrated . Is the bar still open ? * crickets * hops the bar and helps herself.

    • Liberated

      I knew you’d be back!

      • daisy

        I hate insomnia as usual. Glad to have somewhere to hang out with.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I’m heading back for my 3rd try. Good night daisy and all.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Don’t leave the Dr. until he gives you trazadone. Not addictive. I only take 1/2. out.

          • daisy

            I have had it , didn*t touch me. I take another non-addictive drug. Enough to fell an elephant , it just hasn*t been working lately.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I just took my sleepers. G’night. Thank you big Pharma!

  • grundoon

    LRH imagines himself the “benign monarch”…

    Everybody admits, when thoroughly pressed, that a benign monarchy is the best form of government…. Over a long period of time, why, governments that are set up as benign monarchs get unbenign monarchs sooner or later, and they develop themselves a Nero or something, and everything goes appetite over tin cup.

    Well, man is so afraid of a vicious turn in a benign monarchy that he actually can’t have one, and he says then that he has to have other governmental forms. But the highest governmental form is a benign monarchy. I’ve had royalists – even in this day and age there is such a thing as a royalist – anarchists, communists, Republicans, Democrats, Laborites, Tories, all sitting round in the same room and the only kind of government I could get them all to mutually agree upon was a benign monarchy. That was the form of government on which they would agree, with this single proviso, that there was no way to succeed it. Once the benign monarch kicks the bucket, why then, what happens? Well, catastrophe occurs because you get unbenign monarchs, and he inherits all this power and he starts suppressing people.

    In other words, sooner or later, any government which is set up on a one-man proposition, and so forth, by inheritance, runs the risk of having a suppressive fill that role.

    So, man is attempting to prevent suppressives, and in his effort to prevent suppressives he also prevents decent government. Now, in the first place we can say that a benign monarchy is the finest form of government but there is one thing wrong with it, is no benign monarch can wear all of his hats. And by the very fact of being unable to wear his hats he, of course, can become so exhausted that he cannot govern effectively. Or, on the other hand, he gets so disgusted that he doesn’t.

    Having been through all such cycles – not just on this track but on earlier tracks – I speak with some authority along this line. I’m not saying I was always a king; I remember one time vividly being a garbage man.

    – L. Ron Hubbard
    GOVERNMENT AND ORGANIZATION
    A lecture given on 1 November 1966

    • richelieu jr

      The only thing ‘benign’ about Hubbard was that nasty, cheese-filled cyst on his noggin.

      Unfortunately.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Barry Pepper led an incredible life.
    Barry Robert Pepper was born on April 4, 1970, in Campbell River,
    British Columbia, Canada, as the youngest of three sons. He has two
    older brothers named Alex and Doug Pepper. The Peppers didn’t stick
    around Campbell River for too long. They had been building a ship in
    their backyard for years. When Barry was five years old, the ship was
    done and the family set sail. The ship, named “The Moonlighter,” was a
    50-foot craft that would be their home for the next five years. They
    navigated through the South Pacific islands, using only a sextant and
    the stars as guides. While visiting such exotic locales as Fiji and
    Tahiti, Barry was educated through correspondence courses and sometimes
    enrolled in public schools. He grew up around Polynesian children and
    credits them for his love of dance, music and other expressive arts.
    Barry had plenty of time to practice his newfound loves, too. Without
    television as entertainment on the ship, the family relied on games and
    sketch acting for fun. When the five-year cruise was over, the Peppers
    returned to their native Canada, where they set up shop on a small
    island off the West Coast near Vancouver. They built a farm on the

    outskirts of a small artists’ town, which was populated mainly by
    hippies, poets, musicians and other craftsmen. While in high school,
    Barry was enthusiastic about art and excelled in sports. In addition to
    playing volleyball, he was an excellent rugby player. He graduated in
    1988 from George P. Vanier High School in Courtenay and then enrolled in
    college and majored in marketing and graphic design, but after getting
    involved with the Vancouver Actors Studio, he changed his course. Once
    again, he was using “the stars” to navigate. Barry landed his first role
    on Madison
    (1993) (a sort of Canadian 90210) and other prominent television series
    before moving on to more prestigious roles in the US. Television movies
    followed, most notably the mini-series Titanic (1996), which costarred George C. Scott. Still, Barry’s career reall
    Edit: Some think he killed John Ritter
    Edit Some think he killed John Ritter?https://whokilledjohnritteramurdermystery.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/suspect-1-barry-pepper/

    • daisy

      I liked him in * Saving Private Ryan *

  • richelieu jr

    FWIW, I sent two people the clip of Marty and Mike fishing and shooting the breeze onthe subject of Scientologua nd more specifically, David Miscavige’ Star-Blinded, dim-witted micro-managing of nealry everya spect of the BE movie disaster.

    Nathan Rabin and Barry Pepper.

    Rabin wrote a great review of Leah’s book (Tony linked to it last year, IIRC) and now Mr Pepper (nearly wrote ‘Dr” there… damn ads..) has tweeted the news…

    What I am basically saying is, that I rock and Leah’s series now loses a bit of its sheen in comparison to…

    …aah, who am I kidding, I am just glad they’re watching and reading what Leah has to say, and hearing about Paulette through Tony!

    NB: Hubbard and his Scilon minions are wrong about a great many things but one thing Ron got dead-on:
    Never underestimate the power of a good book (or, sadly, a bad one) in the right hands.

    I dunno about stacking libraries with Dianetics, but Lean didn’t tote around her copy of Miss Lovely by accident. And that, my surfer friends, made waves.

    Who knows which pebble will finally make the wave that overflows the back of the camel’s vase.. straw?… screw it, you guys have too many metaphors ot mix..

    The Point IS:

    I SENT EMAILS PEOPLE!

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Good on you!

      Don’t give Hubbard any credit. Fools born daily (me too) wanted to believe in what Hubbard was selling (blue sky soul-flying immortality).

      Hubbard just built up a Land Base network of dedicated fools willing to be Hubbard’s orgs’ staffs selling the blue-sky soul-flying body-thetan-snipe-hunting-Xenu-exorcism to the beginner and less dedicated dupes for Hubbard’s bluesky wares.

      Fools rush in, and drag their kids along, etc.

      • richelieu jr

        Yup, Chuck.

        True dat.

        So true, and just so sad.

        Keep up the good work! You’ve done so much REAL, tangible good to real people on a personal level, as well as on a bigger, social one…

  • mrssandoval

    Whoa. I am a liberal conservative. I supported Trump because since I became of voting age (during the first year of Clinton’s second term), it’s been a “lesser of 2 evils” for me. I’m a VERY liberal republican, i.e., I’m not just pro choice, I’m pro abortion.
    Can you imagine?! I’m not talking eugenics; however, would a certain LRH be aborted (as well as DM for good measure), this world would be a better place.
    Although we have differing political views (myself in particular), I’ve lurked on here often — for years — out of hope that this cult will be eradicated. Can’t we all come together for this common good?
    I don’t work in DC, but after I get my law degree/masters in public policy, I hope to.
    So, the cos is flying under the banner of free speech, correct? How weird is that? Anyways, what about OUR free speech? What about MY rights, as well as the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), in regards to their constant harassment of psychiatry and mental illness? There has to be an “in” to get them out!
    This would be good for Trump’s PR. Those who don’t like him may love him if he revokes their tax exempt status! While he’s at it, get rid of that Westboro “baptist church.”

  • lisalupin

    Donald Trump says he believes waterboarding works – BBC news story just popped up on my news feed… oh the irony…

    • richelieu jr

      Listen: I wrote my (not-officially turned-in dissertation) on Heresy in Medieval Languedoc and the Establishment of the Holy Inquisition.

      Whether you are for or against Trump, there are certain indisputable conclusions to draw from this statement, some of which stand even if he says the opposite tomorrow.

      First, as in issue of personal aesthetics, I think he missed a step when he didn’t promise to make the terrorist pay for their own water and boards. I mean, dictators have been forcing the families of their executed political prisoners t pay for the bullets that killed their loved ones…

      Clearly, on this level Mr Trump is still small beer compared to the great totalitarians of the past.

      But I digress.

      Trump said, and I quote:

      ” We have people chopping the heads off many other people… things that we have never seen before… I mean, we studied medieval times; not since medieval times have people seen what’s going on. I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”*

      So, where to start?

      Beheading has taken place, across the world z l<ot since Medieval Times. Anyone remember "Death of a Princess" from 1980? They showed aPrincess (talk about a medieval idea!) losing her head.. I mean 1980 isn't quite the Dark Ages, but it WAs pre-TIVO, though presumably Trump had a Betamax, there were only 4 TV Channels, and of course, it was to see the debut of Trickle Down Economics, the "voodoo" policy that Bush Père so aptly criticised when he should have ben putting needles into his W doll.

      Looking back, maybe it was pretty dark after all.It certainly seemed to last ages…

      Here in France the last beheading was only about a century before so…

      CONCLUSION: ERROR OF FACT.

      Second error– He seems (and some of this is on Obama's refusal to correcty criticise or prosecute those responsable for torture, even thought the treaty Reafgan signed says we must, even if it is unpopular and if we refuse or cannot, the world must do so. There is no out for "But they were brown and lived cves and we were scared" or anything, We beat Soviet Socialism, the Nazis, Polio, the Pet Rocks Race and much, much more without descending below the level of Hitler or the Inqusition.

      "Below?!!" you say?

      Yes.

      Both the Nazis and the Inquisition (from its very beginning (when there was no torture at all), but reiterated, during the heights of the Spanish Inquisition, when torture was widespread and institutionalised and people were hung by their limbs, burnt, starved, imprisoned, crucified, burnt at he stake, etc… But NOT WATERBOARDED.

      WHY?

      Because the Nazis and the Holy Inquisition were arguably totally evil, certainly genocidal, but–They were not stupid and wanted results. The Inquisition as early as the beginning of the 15th century (that, Mr Trump IS "medieval") banned the "Water Question" because of its unreliable results.

      The thing is, people will do anything to keep from dying. And when you are waterboarded you feel like you are dying SEVERAL TIMES, EVERY TIME.

      This is not pretty.

      If you wonder why the CIA destroyed the videos when all the information on the abuses of frequency (by HUNDREDS of times more per MONTH against the WRONG MAN ACCORDING TO THE CIA), when the length, times of torture, frequenccy, techniques, origins in CHinese guides, etc… Look no further.

      The addition of doctors for the victims was no humanitarian impulse, because the reason you feel like you are dying, is because you are. And sometimes it happens, and the good doc is there to wake you up, make sure you wont have a heart attack, a stroke, drown on your own vomit, etc..

      The victims wear diapers because they will, shit themselves every time as the sphincter gives way to death spasms.

      They eat liquid protein because it is easier to clean when they vomit EVERY TIME.

      Why not video tapes? Because this is not easy on the eyes, no more grown men, crying, pleading and screaming for their mothers as they DIE, only to be reawaken and given time off if physical death was too near.

      They also don't want you to see that after they had not more info, and ALL the results proved false that TORTURE CONTINUED.

      Because the purpose was revenge, not information. Cheney knew the info was unreliable after a few tens of millions spent chasing lies from men desperate to stop dying all day, every day. The torturers certainly did.

      Torture degrades the Torturer as well.

      But, boy does it make the 'tough guy' ordering it look tough!

      You can read this, but seeing it is something else, so POOF! It is gone.

      And because it is not on video, it is not on TV, and because it is not on TV, Trump doesn't know it or believe it.

      This was not a problem centuries ago, before video.

      But they forbade it, as did the Nazis (who also called 'torture' by the same euphemism as Trump and the Cheney Bush administration: "verschärfte Vernehmung", or "enhanced interrogation". http://tinyurl.com/zcycjaf

      Still don't believe me? If your German is up to snuff, here is a copy of the ORIGINAL ORDER, thanks to Outraged Conservative, Andrew Sullivan: http://tinyurl.com/ldphkgm

      So here you go:

      1) "…we studied medieval times" WRONG!: Are you kidding me? I doubt he'd even eat there, though the food is probably better than in his medieval Tower. He may have seen it on The Cable Guy, perhaps…

      2) 1980 was regrettable, but not medieval. Reagan was more obsessed with the 1950s than the 1590 (and even THAT is leaving the medieval period for the Renaissance (known by Trump for their hotel chain whose tells that are less "Yuuuuuge" this. Everyone says so) and its flowering of knowledge, and the creation of thousands of books, a veritable treasure trove of information and literature in books that looked like, but were not, the two he actually touched at his inauguration. So many books that he would have to spend a lifetime to not read them all, but being Trump he managed to not read bigly, bigly more books.

      (Fun Fact: Trump may be 70, but he reads at the level of an 82 year-old! http://tinyurl.com/h6ycxkv

      3) "I would bring back waterboarding…" This is against the Geneva Conventions and the agreement against torture signed by Ronald Reagan (who, as was his wont, was walking on water, bored with his holy power to "Make America Great Again" Before it was Made Great Again, Again, this time for Real! Got that? Good!

      Plus, this torture technique has been recognised as cruel, degrading and absolutely ineffective by people for centuries, if not millennia… Brown people, White people, so-called "Red" people & "Yellow" people…
      Just apparently not Orange ones.

      4) "I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding."

      OK, this is the Cherry on top of the Caek:

      He knows nothing about torture, except that it makes him sound tough.He clearly hasn't even read anything about it that wasn't spewed frothing from Fox News.

      Nothing is worse than waterboarding.

      NOTHING.

      (except more waterboarding, which we already tried to embarrassing, humiliating results at a cost tot he reputation fo the US that has taken our sacrifices at Normandy, etc and ERASED THEM for..no results.

      NOTHING.

      Sorry folks. This subject drives me crazy because I have read (in LATIN, ladies, so the line forms on the left… I heard women dreamt of 'Latin Lvers' so I just HAD to love Latin, you know? I think the results are visible for themselves as I type away alone on the Internet on Friday Night!)

      To get more on topic, Scientology certainly tortures, and the Joburg Gang-Bang, and other SecChecks are out-and-out attempts at mind-control, torture, blackmail and coercion. Sleep deprivation, sequestration, browbeating, and threats, control of movement and communication, of food, sex and nutrition, solitary confinement, exposure to ridicule, etc… are all right out of Mao's playbook, and Hubbard reverse-engineered anything he thought would help him control and exploit people of all stripes by turning their own desire to improve the world and themselves against them.

      Not to mention confining 4 year-olds to bilge-lockers, having teenage girls clean dirty heavy fuel in little tanks without masks, overboarding and calling people homosexuals as an epithet, pouring water on them under a blasting air-conditioner (in the desert folks! Your tax-dollars at work!)- which, it must be noted wa part of an act that actually froze a man to death in Afghanistan, to the point the body could not be moved), forced confessions of 'crimes', forced snitching,

      And threatening to separate them from their families, another technique widely used by the United Sates during the Bush/Cheney Administrations and now, presumably under the Trump oligarchy/proto-Junta…

      And he bragged that he would flout International and US Law to do.. WORSE?

      He has no idea what he is talking about, and what he is talking about is pretty bad.

      Are you concerned about Scientology?

      Here's a Good One!

      Q: Why is Trumpism better than Scientology?

      A: Teamwork! He grabs the (miaow!) and you grab the CANS!

      ——————-

      *(You will notice the attached clip is from those untrustworthy asshats at BREITBART. I only quote them in hopes some supporter will then admit Trump really didn't say it instead of going off on the "Lying Media".)

    • richelieu jr

      FWIW- While waiting to ‘fix my post (above) I would just like to summarise:

      I show (with documentation that Trump doesn’t understand:

      –What Waterboarding is.
      That there is NOTHING worse than it.

      — That not only does International Law forbid it, but that even the dreaded Inquisition and the Nazis banned the practise as ‘inhumane’ (and these folks knew how to do REAL genocides) and completely unreliable.

      I point out that the victim of waterboard it actually feels like they are dying to the point that they do, repeatedly and often.

      I present examples of grown men in diapers, fed only liquids so they don’t choke to death when they vomit for the 20th time and when the sphincter relaxes and spasms in the death throws (which they will also do, daily and repeatedly, calling out sobbing for their mothers.

      — That Scientology, like the Bush/Cheney admin, reverse-engineered the same Nazi and Maoist torture manuals to figure out How to Torture American Style..

      –That the Nazis and the Bushies used the sam term to avoid admitting to Torture: ” “Advanced Interrogation”.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158

      Not a single phrase in the Trump statement is true, and this is easily proven. This illustrates clearly he knows nothing about law, torture or ethics– But it makes him sound tough, don’t it?

      (Anyone know how to fix my post above?)

  • Mrs. Brown

    That first picture: That may be trump’s head, but that’s NOT his body. Why did someone fake that photo?

    • How can you tell?

      • Mrs. Brown

        It’s been decades since trump had that tight tummy shown in that picture 🙂 That, and the head is too big for that body. It’s okay Photoshop; I look at shadows, lighting, direction of lighting, general color and exposure of items, proportions, etc. Maybe it’s an old photo of Trish/Trump, but a newer head to signify current time? Something’s not right about that photo, though. This is, of course, only my opinion. 🙂

      • Mrs. Brown

        Also, just blow it up in Photoshop and you can see the pixeljag around his head where it was cut out inelegantly. Note especially down around the chin/neck and the right side (his right side) of his hair. Yup, it’s faked.

        • Don’t forget that compression JPEG or the like, do this to images, that is going around the Internet mill. I don’t even think a photo-forensic tool would reveal something interesting, unless the original or close to, shows up!

          • Mrs. Brown

            Yes, I agree with you regarding pixelation and take that into account. I’ve been a professional PSer since 1991 – or rather I was (in my former professional life.) Some things just jump out at me without my actively searching for them; a tweaked photograph is one, typos or spelling errors are another unless their mine, lol. I compare different portions of an image to either include or discard as a result of a global affect vs deliberate selection. An outline pixelation is different than a global and it’s a result of isolating by cutting/using a selection tool. I didn’t find the same pixelation around other items in the photo. I could be totally wrong; I’m open. I’m not sure if I’m explaining this correctly; I’m one who is better at doing than talking 🙂 It’s not that it’s a big deal, it’s just such an odd thing to do, but… then again, we’re talking about two entities not known for their honesty and truth telling: trump and scientology.

      • Mrs. Brown

        That puffy hand doesn’t fit him now either; at least it looks nothing like his hands now even though he’s a lot heavier in current face and body.

        • Ohh.. I see..I just wanted to check if you had any personal knowledge about the taking of this picture, like being there! It could be shooped for all i care and your right, why would someone do this? But when it appears on this Scam Artist – Cardone’s google profile, i have to draw him as a suspect! And what would he gain portraying this woman with this man using an “expert” Photoshop version of the event?

    • I believe that this is where the photo is originating from: https://plus.google.com/106268128704132883440/posts/HDa73cTGeGa
      That is Grant Cardone’s Google account.