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The most incredible lie Scientology attorney Monique Yingling told ABC ’20/20′

 
Jeffrey Augustine is back with another investigation of Scientology’s essential concepts…

Following the sudden departure of Tommy Davis as the Church of Scientology’s spokesman in 2011, the organization no longer has an actual Scientologist to represent it on television or in documentaries. Seemingly by default, Scientology leader David Miscavige’s attorney Monique Yingling — a non-Scientologist – has found herself cast in the unlikely role as the international spokeswoman for the church.

During ABC 20/20’s recent episode, “Scientology: A War Without Guns,” Yingling appeared to speak on behalf of Miscavige at the last minute. Like her previous appearance in April in an episode about Ron Miscavige’s book Ruthless, Yingling was given a lot of airtime to present the church’s side of things. And this time, at one point ABC’s Dan Harris asked her a very straightforward question, and her reply was stunning:

Harris: Scientology has described psychiatry as an “industry of death.” Why is that?

Yingling: Well, I think that’s a catchphrase. But what Scientology has worked hard against are abusive practices of psychiatry. Not psychiatry in general.

Harris: You say, “not psychiatry in general,” but an “industry of death” sounds pretty general.

Yingling: Well because unfortunately there have been a lot of abuses, and psychiatry has caused a lot of deaths.

Right there on national television, this was a pretty spectacular lie.

If you know much about Scientology at all, you know that founder L. Ron Hubbard considered all of psychiatry an abomination that has plagued mankind for trillions — yes trillions of years. Hubbard even claimed that the “evil psychs” were a special race, traceable to the planet “Farsec.” The goal of the psychs, according to Hubbard, is to implant, enslave, and kill humans.

From 1950 until his death in 1986, Hubbard created, expanded, and sustained Scientology’s attack upon psychiatry that continues to this day.

As part of Hubbard’s efforts to expose psychiatry, Scientology created the Citizens Commission on Human Rights in 1969 as a “mental health industry watchdog whose mission is to eradicate abuses committed under the guise of mental health.” But what does CCHR actually do? One thing CCHR does is work to get psychiatrists arrested, tried, and imprisoned for abuses.

CCHR’s Psychiatric Crime Database, yet another typically exaggerated and bizarre Scientology PR effort, puts the lie to Monique Yingling’s claims that “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death” is merely a catchphrase:

 

 
CCHR also markets and sells the book “Psychiatrists – the Men Behind Hitler” on its website. This tawdry book blames psychiatry for the Holocaust:

 

 
In 2005, CCHR opened its “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death Museum” in Hollywood. This was the same year Tom Cruise launched into his hostile attack against psychiatry and psychiatric drugs during his interview with Matt Lauer. And then at the 2007 New Year’s event at the Shrine auditorium in Los Angeles, David Miscavige infamously used animated exploding hand grenades to call for the global obliteration of Psychiatry:

 

 
I was in the audience that night and was appalled to see the way in which the gathered Scientologists jumped to their feet to scream wildly and applaud Miscavige’s violent call for the global obliteration of Psychiatry and the mass arrest and imprisonment of psychiatrists. Miscavige further bragged at this event that CCHR had a “smart bomb” that “sniffs out Psych fuel lines and blows the funding mechanism. And in that way, to put it bluntly, we booby-trapped the whole psychiatric ecosystem.”

David Miscavige’s violent 2007 rant against psychiatry was nothing new. In October 1995, Miscavige promised Scientologists that psychiatry would be destroyed in five years:

“There are a lot of opinions out there as to what is wrong with Earth, 1995. But if you really want to eliminate those problems all you have to do is work for the objectives that we, as members of the IAS, have set for the year 2000: Objective One – place Scientology at the absolute forefront of Society. Objective Two – eliminate psychiatry in all its forms. Let’s get rid of psychiatry, and let’s bring Scientology to every man, woman and child on this planet.”

Finally, and here we arrive at the crux of the matter, L. Ron Hubbard was infuriated that psychiatry had obtained what he thought was a fraudulent monopoly on mental health treatment. To Hubbard’s way of thinking, psychiatry was rigged because it required an eight-year medical degree plus a four-year psychiatric residency to become a psychiatrist. This conspiracy to require medical degrees and residencies effectively locked Hubbard and his e-meter out of the tens of billions dollars per year in government funding spent on mental health treatment.

Hubbard wanted that money. He wanted Scientology to have an exclusive global monopoly on mental health treatment and the billions of government dollars pouring into psychiatric and mental health programs. As Hubbard wrote in his confidential 1969 memo Intelligence Actions:

Our war has been forced to become to take over absolutely the field of mental healing on this planet in all forms… Our total victory will come when we run his (the enemy’s) organization, perform his functions and obtain his financing and appropriations.

Monique Yingling was prevaricating when she told Dan Harris that “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death” was a catchphrase. Yingling knows that, per its own policies, Scientology will not accept anyone as a member who has been suicidal or has been treated with psychiatric drugs. In a paradoxical coda to this article, we note that these two prohibitions disqualify L. Ron Hubbard from Scientology.

In 1947, L. Ron Hubbard wrote to the US Veterans Administration complaining of suicidal ideations and moroseness, or what we would today call depression. Hubbard asked the Veterans Administration to provide him with psychiatric treatment.

 

 
And at the end of his life, in January 1986, L. Ron Hubbard suffered a stroke and was treated with the psychiatric tranquilizer Vistaril.

Hubbard’s intense hatred of psychiatry was most curiously book-ended between his request for psychiatric help in 1947 and his use of a doctor-prescribed psychiatric tranquilizer at the end of his life. I wonder how Monique Yingling would spin that?

 
— Jeffrey Augustine

 
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  • 3feetback-of-COS

    So, $cientology’s representative lies on national TV…. and somehow I am not surprised.

    The big question in my mind is, What ELSE can we to further expose $cientology’s lies and abuses??

    Billboard is a start. What else???

  • EmmaDaoust

    12 years intensive study and medical license, or a 14 year old kid with a $5 bucket of bolts and wires. Hmm.

    • chukicita

      Yeah, but the one who studied longer than the teenager has been alive is less expensive, and covered by insurance.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Precisely.

  • Observer

    I believe Monique Yingling eats toasted babies for breakfast, because that’s what I was told.

    • Joe

      “toasted babies” as like a catchphrase, right?

      • Observer

        No, real ones. Because that’s what I was told.

        • chukicita

          Sure. A lot of people do.

          Babymuffins.

        • Joe

          Look, I know for a fact that she never ate a toasted baby, ever. . .

          However, even if she did eat a toasted baby, that would perfectly fine.

          • Sherbet

            “Depends on the baby.”

            • Joe

              It might be appropriate to eat a toasted baby, it depends on how hungry the person is.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Boom.

          • Observer

            I was told she eats toasted babies, so I believe it. I have complete certainty that she eats toasted babies, because everything anyone tells me is true. Except you, you bitter apostate/evil SP (choose the applicable epithet).

            • Joe

              I like to think of myself as a bitter “aSPostate”.

              TRADEMARK PENDING RTC, YOU’RE ALL LIARS, YINGLING ATTACK!

            • Observer

              I like it!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Many people believe that.

  • According to my mother, my brother, who usually rolls his eyes whenever I mention Scientology, is now proclaiming on a weekly basis, “Mom, it’s 9 o’clock time for Leah’s show.” I am thrilled because not only does he ‘get it’ now but any time spent watching Leah takes him away from listening to Glenn Beck.

    • chukicita

      You’re a good sibling.

      • MaxSpaceman

        (yet somehow must save bro from the clutches of the psychoBeck)

    • MarcabExpat

      In technical terms this is what is known as a “double win.”

  • PeaceMaker

    I don’t think that it’s implausible that Yingling in her role as attorney for the Scientology corporations, simply hasn’t become informed about some of the inner cosmology like the beliefs about “psychs,” and only knows the basics of their public relations stance on the subject. Outside of environments like the Bunker, there are many people who don’t know about such details despite what may seem like a lot of media attention. She may even have deliberately stayed away from informing herself about things like that, because she doesn’t want to know – perhaps even out of a justifiable professional sense that as an advocate for the corporations she is better off not immersing herself in unnecessary ugly details. Remember, lawyers operate from the principle that everyone deserves effective and even assertive counsel, and I think that most of us appreciate that such as when the ACLU represents a reprehensible organization like the KKK to defend their basic rights like free speech.

    It’s also possible that Yingling knows, and rather than lying she is just too embarrassed to even try to represent what Scientologists actually believe. I suspect that part of the reason for her poor performance is that she is just tiring of representing a client that is so indefensible and incorrigible, and one that may have become an extremely awkward subject for her in her real life social situations and perhaps even with her own family (imagine if her grandchildren watch South Park). Yet she may have ethical or practical reasons (like finishing funding her retirement) for not yet being ready to let Scientology go as a client. Plus you could argue that she has actually done critical forces a favor by not handing Scientology over to an attorney who might be slicker, but is in a certain way helping to get the truth out. My guess is that after this performance, she will be quietly discarded like Tommy Davis, and that as in his example, Scientology may not even be able to find a replacement at this point in its decline.

    • Observer

      She is in Miscavige’s inner circle and has been for decades. She knows.

      The only ethical consideration I can think of for her representation of this blatantly criminal enterprise is that it’s the only client she could find whose ethics fit her own.

      • Draco

        ^^^^^!! Agreed.

      • PeaceMaker

        Observer, there’s no way to be sure of any of the inner workings like this, and if history is any guide observers are often far off in their estimations of the actual strange behind-the-scenes workings of authoritarian regimes and organizations. Scientology is very good at compartmentalizing information internally, as demonstrated by accounts from former staff members that they did not even know of the existence of major facilities like Gold Base. Yingling is not a Scientologist, and is a tax attorney located far from any of Miscavige’s offices, so it seems to me unlikely she is part of the “inner circle.” I think she was selected for her role as spokesperson precisely because she has less knowledge of Scientology’s inner workings and harassment of individuals than any of their other attorneys.
        I’m not trying to defend Yingling in any way, I just think it is important to assess things as accurately as possible, and even to be willing to be uncertain.

    • chukicita

      To me she can’t represent what they believe. By Scns own rules only D M can do that. She can only represent how they behave, and try to deal with their policy-driven behavior.

    • The utility of having Blinkalot go on the show is that other material would have to be cut out to make room for her blinking. that counts as a Result!! for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.

  • Observer

    “And now we have a long-distance dedication to Monique Dinga…wait, Yingaling…no, Yingling. Take it away, Chuck!”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UO8aEdnHpwY

    • OOkpik

      Finally! XD

  • Rasha

    Scientology if full of great catchphrases…
    “If he dies, he dies.”
    “Get yourself a n*****, that’s what they’re for”
    “The trouble with China is, there are too many ch***s there.”
    …and so on and so forth…

  • Mockingbird

    Good TR L filled day Bunkeroos.

    Monique Yingling may not be a Scientologist but she spins lies just like Hubbard himself !

    David Miscavige has a knack for finding people with no shred of conscience to do his dirty work. If Monique Yingling was a Scientologist at least then she would have the excuse of believing the unethical means are for benevolent ends which unfortunately never arrive.

    That life shattering realization that you did and helped evil for false promises and counterfeit dreams never comes for Monique Yingling. Does she have any slightest traces of a conscience ? I wonder.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Cult lawyering only Xenu knows what those lawyers are thinking How much do the lawyers know better than to find out all about their client and their client’s system.

      One thing “wog” lawyers can claim, is ignorance, if they keep their noses out of the internet and history on the movement.,

      • Mockingbird

        By the way Chuck, I bought a copy of One Was Stubborn and found it very interesting. I plan to write a blog post on it. I am kind of fascinated by the mounting evidence that Hubbard had his Dianetics and Scientology cons dreamed up long before they were released into the world. He planned a majority of the plan by 1952 in my opinion.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Ron Hubbard Jnr, who helped on the first edition of Bent Corydon’s “L. Ron Hubbard: Madman of Messiah” I just bought the first edition and started it, it has Ron Jnr’s material.

          I think you’ve mentioned how much Crowley’s stuff influenced Hubbard too, and I myself have to read up on Crowley’s training materials layout, since I heard even more so some of Crowley’s actual materials/pamphlets course layouts were also borrowed by Hubbard, so I have to find out those details. I was in the training dept of Scientology and know the ins and outs of how the course rooms are run and the materials checksheets, etc, and I have a feeling there are so many weeds of details of Hubbard’s borrowing of little things here and there, between even “One Was Stubborn” and then the course rooms of early Dianetics in the early 1950s, as covered in Hubbard’s OEC green volumes is the history of the class room setups of Scientology, and what all Hubbard administratively borrowed from US Naval Military class room training also.

          The setup fo the indoctrination course rooms of Scientology, and packaging of what ideas into which checksheets (syllabuses for the Hubbard packaged courses) and then the whole gradation chart, I’ve not studied but I suspect Crowley and the US Navy’s administrative training setups were borrowed from.

          Hubbard’s policies solidify and standardize the training setups of Scientology.

          It’d be a research paper galore to delve into the earlier training setups that Hubbard borrowed from and solidified into Scientology’s “church” training methods.

          There is just overwhelming amounts of things Hubbard borrowed from to detail, ending up wearing down a person’s interest in hearing of all the tedious details.

          • Mockingbird

            Yeah, Jon Atack and Arnie Lerma have several hundred possible sources. Veda at ESMB has a lot also. I have seen Crowley’s work as a potential source too. People have seen bits from many others.

            Some have said Napoleon Hill has whole paragraphs stolen and placed in Hubbard’s work verbatim. I haven’t checked him out.

            I don’t think Hubbard ever had an original thought myself.

  • Ann B Watson

    Monique is such a vapid mean individual.The worship of the dollar bill is her religion and the fact that she is not of the cult’s flock makes her even more slippery and disingenuous.Blink or not to blink that is her confession.Yuck!🍂🥀

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      The unfortunate fact is Monique has the privilege to wash her conscience with what the cos pays her. Harm done to anyone else has no value to her whatsoever.

      As a lawyer who dutifully represents her client, she glibly rationalizes the harm she has done

      • Ann B Watson

        Good point HillieOnTheBeach.Glib rationalization fits her as a glove.💗

    • Harpoona Frittata

      She’s not a $cilon, but neither is lil davey, who quit getting any kind of auditing years go, despite having ready access to all the “wonders” of $cn at his beck and call.

      Once he realized that Elron died as an old, sick, demented mere mortal, lil davey, the List 1 R/S’er, decided to let his BT’s go fallow and give the whole Quest for Eternal Spiritual Freedom thing a good long rest.

      So, unburdened by whatever semblance of a conscience that long-time $ea Orgyists like him might retain, lil davey has been free to connive and conspire with ms. yingalingading, his own personal legal weasel, for decades now and with absolutely no internal organizational oversight to rein his high-rollin’ ass in. They both worship at the altar of the Almighty Dollar and it will be instructive to learn how much they each may have “earned” during their long partnership in legal crime. My guess is, tens of millions, with all of it having been acquired through completely legal means…after all, if you have absolute control of the cult, then you can pay yourself whatever salary that you like.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Every time I hear someone say Davie the Savage hasn’t had any auditing in years I am just dumbfounded. Even Tubbie audited himself until the bitter end. How can any of the senior level execs, whales and upper level clams take him seriously?

      • Ann B Watson

        Hi Harpoona,Always like your posts.As some of you know lil davey was after I blew,but I had the great disgust to enchange a few letters with him in 74 when I was letter reg at Asho F and he at Delphian Fdn.I was just 22 so I think he was 13 or so.I still remember his rude,grammar errored response to me & I thought there is a kid with a huge ego,no empathy for anyone or thing and he will cause much distress.And I never dreamed he would control the cult! I knew he was not an auditor but you help fill in the dark spaces of him for me.You make excellent observations.💖

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Thanks Ann, I appreciate the kind words! I exited the cult before he came to power as well. It’s interesting and amusing to hear others descriptions of “the kid,” as he was referred to when he first came to the Int base and began work as a messenger.

          Lois Reisdorf’s account of her interactions with him then, which she’s described in her multi-part essay series on Mike’s blog are very insightful, especially concerning how someone so low in rank and seniority within the CMO could become the cherch’s sole link for communication to and from Elron after he went into deep hiding.

          The interview that Jeffrey Augustine did with Jesse Prince was also quite illuminating as well. According to Jesse, there was a point at which Elron ordered him to be sec checked by Jesse and lil davey was shaking in his boots, knowing that he was busted. I’d be curious to learn if this was the very last time that lil davey picked up the cans and allowed himself be audited.

          From all of the stories of his early days in the $ea Orgy, a picture of him as a wet behind the ears, punk kid comes through quite clearly and it’s a strange and improbable wonder how he ever came to maneuver himself into the position of absolute power he now holds over his fellow co-cultists. Stories like Lois’s and Jesse’s begin to shed light on the exact details and circumstances that existed at the time, but there are large holes in the story which still need to be filled in, especially regarding Pat Broecker’s account of Elron’s final days and his part in the scheme to lie to the $cn community about his death and the condition that he was in prior to it.

          • Ann B Watson

            Oh yes,I so agree.The kid with fangs and claws plus a🖤.❣

  • HTC

    I nearly fell out of my chair when she said catchphrase. Btw fellow Roos a great boat ride today in S FL

    • Qbird

      like an air-boat ride?

      • HTC

        No Q a pontoon boat ride on the intracoastal. But I do love an air boat ride

  • Observer

    Why nobody mentioned muffins on 20/20. She baked them herself this time.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f114fdbe954fbe22fe8e1d4bae006ead0e3629a46d6d78b8a962c92869e73e35.jpg

    • Observer

      There are some hilarious results to be found by googling “fail muffin.”

      • beauty for ashes

        I bet they still taste delicious!

      • Nat-leficent

        Let’s just add Fail Muffin to Blinky’s nicknames.

        • Susan black

          Blinky Muffins…her porn stage name

    • Sherbet

      Floor pie!

      • Syd

        Trash cookies! My “diet trick” is to only eat 1/2 of a cookie and throw the other 1/2 away so I won’t be tempted to eat it. My husband usually catches me digging it out of the trash a couple of hours later. Don’t judge me.

        • Sherbet

          Don’t you know there are no calories in anything you eat while standing over the sink? Try that. It’s cleaner than trash picking.

          • Syd

            Good call!

    • MarcabExpat

      OMG the devoted amateur baker in me just died of laughter and then came back still laughing.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    “She’s such a bitch” is my catch phrase for Monique. And it looks like they’ve given up on sending $cions who might later blow to speak their garbage. “Send in blinkey the Wog”

  • What’sup
  • OOkpik
    • ExCult.Jan

      Yee haw!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    COB ordered Monique to get Ron teeth. Soon all Scientologists will be ordered to get Ron teeth. We in RTC feel this shows solidarity with the Founder.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64735a402db657967c02c1b91b1406be94fdc353f73bcb992dd075d1af17aa05.png

  • Panopea Abrupta

    This is a woman who has witnessed crimes perpetrated by the piccolo capo

    “Well unfortunately, there have been a lot of abuses and $cientology has caused a lot of deaths.”
    There, fixed that for ya, Monique, and I didn’t even blink.
    Where should i send the bill?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/942f2a02ae9cbb35a93352b2cde57bdc2b4e272ebf794ac32b8ff11df6ff85c8.jpg

  • OKSooner01

    About a decade ago, I spent several months at a Narconon facility for opiate addiction. Neither I, nor my family are connected to Scientology but I had a cousin who had gotten clean at Narconon and, at the time, had drank deep of the Scientology Kool-Aid and was working for Narconon at a different facility.

    Anyway, when I admitted that I had seen a psychologist for depression and had taken medication for the condition, they immediately took me aside and grilled me as to the extent of the therapy I had received. I was put through a course on the evils of psychology and psychiatric drugs that included a video that I can only describe as horrifying and utterly hyperbolic.

    I called my parents the next day and as best I could (all calls had to be made in a room where counselors could hear our conversations) explained that this place was utterly frightening and a front for Scientology, which I had a cursory knowledge of. All they knew was that Narconon had gotten my cousin off methamphetamines though and they wanted it to work for my addiction, which I understand now. Nonetheless, my plea fell on deaf ears.

    Over the next month, I fought against the ridiculous ideas in the textbooks we read (all authored by Hubbard) but eventually resigned myself to the fact that the harder I fought, the more time I would spend in useless ethics courses and, ultimately, the longer I would be stuck there. So, I put on a front of acquiescence and made it through.

    Near the end of my stay, I was presented with the opportunity to continue my study of Hubbard’s “tech” which, I was told, could ensure my long-term freedom from drug abuse, for a small fee, were I to sign on as a Narconon counselor. I politely declined and got the hell out of there.

    The most ridiculous aspect of Narconon may be their insistence that they have no ties to the Church of Scientology; a fact they consistently reinforced any time it was brought up. This is a hard case for them to make when all the material used in the courses is written by Hubbard and the central course, “Objectives,” is one every Scientologist must take. In the end, I must admit, I have been drug-free for nine years, though I attribute that more to the fact that I was forcibly sequestered for four months, rather than the efficacy of the program.

    • Draco

      Welcome to the Bunker OK 🙂 Nice first post!

      • OKSooner01

        Glad I found my way here.

        • jayla197145

          I still feel a bit funny about welcoming people when I am so new here myself, but I was told it was alright….so a warm welcome to you OKSooner01! So happy to see you here! 🙂

          • OKSooner01

            Thanks jayla.

            • jayla197145

              You are very welcome!! XO

          • ExCult.Jan

            Hey, Jayla!! Glad you’re here, too!

            • jayla197145

              Aw…thank you so much Sweetie!!! 🙂 🙂 XO

        • Kestrel

          Boomer, Sooner!

          • OKSooner01

            Boomer!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am glad you found your way here also! What a story to start with. You are a survivor and a strong and resilient person!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome! Glad you got out of that facility alive.

      • OKSooner01

        You and me both, Douglas.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Thats a feat, putting up a front AND dealing w/ the post acture withdrawal. Thats perseverence!
          BYW, how is your cousin now? Still in Sci? Still clean of meth?

          • OKSooner01

            Still clean…thankfully he left Sci before hewas in too deep.

    • MarcabExpat

      Amazing that you were able to fight off both addiction and Scientology at the same time. Congratulations on staying clean and mentally free! Please make yourself at home, I can tell you’re going to fit in fine 🙂

      • OKSooner01

        Thanks.

      • OKSooner01

        Being in the throes of withdrawal and addiction, I’m sure Scientology sees addicts in the Narconon program as the perfect victims for their con game. Narconon is very expensive so, if they can show the families of their “patients” that the program works, I’m sure they see this as an opportunity for further financial gain should these addicts choose to continue their Scientology training.

        • MarcabExpat

          Nailed it in one. They rope people in when they are desperate, and tell you they’re the only ones that can help.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, OK. Amazing experience. Glad you made it out ok and are here to comment.

      • OKSooner01

        Appreciate it, Juicer.

    • OOkpik

      BAM !

      Congratulations on staying opiate-free and a hearty welcome from the Bunker.
      Great post!

      • ExCult.Jan

        What OO said!

      • OKSooner01

        Thank you OO.
        Staying clean is often difficult…but it’s better than the alternative.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Now It Can Be Told: Monique Yingling is the love child of L. Ron Hubbard and Leona Helmsley

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a0481ac07a7de31d452e6d1a3899239c439194373579531146a5d09b517a64f2.png

    LRH = L. Ron Hubbard 1911-1986

    LMRH = Leona Mindy Roberts Helmsley 1920-2007

    Monique Yingling born 1951. The math works.

    LRH cheated on Sara with Leona when Leona was doing Dianetics in NYC in 1950. Forrest Ackerman knew but kept it secret.

    • jayla197145

      Thank you for the laugh, I needed that!!

    • JaxNGold

      Brilliant!

      And holy hell…those teeth on Blinky. Stuff of nightmares and shades of Hubbard.

    • Draco

      Why do rich people (Leona) not take the time to find the best plastic surgeons in the biz? That eyebrow lift…
      Mind you – being the Queen of Mean, I suppose she chose the cheapest one around, and then didn’t pay him.

      • Liberated

        She left all her money to her dog….that still pisses me off!

        • Draco

          I hate that shit too. By all means, leave enough to make sure your fur babies are cared for after your passing. But they only live for so long, and then what? Meanwhile, millions starve and live in appalling conditions all around the world.

          • Liberated

            She gave her $ to her dog just to keep anyone else from having it…..mean and petty!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Ahem.

      SARA WHO?

      • J. Swift

        In his lunatic “Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection” of 2 December 1969, Hubbard denounced Sara as being a Soviet spy named “Sara Komkovadamanov.”

        The enemy objective is to discredit… Their first blast was the San Francisco papers, Sept. 1950, quoting the publisher (of Book One) Ceppos being critical of me (he was a communist) followed by the LA papers, pushed then by Sara Komkovadamanov (alias Northrup) “divorce” actions, followed by attempted kidnapping of myself. Other details were pushed into it including murder of four and so on. This was a full complete covert operation. At the back of it was Miles Hollister (psychology student), Sara Komkovadamanov (housekeeper at the place nuclear physicists stayed near Cal Tech), Gene Benton and his wife – president of the Young Communists League…This was a full war against Dianetics.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          “…and then my troubles began.”

        • Harpoona Frittata

          ” Other details were pushed into it including murder of four and so on.”

          The “and so on” refrain that Elron loved so much just cracks me up because it’s almost like he wants you to join in with him in confabulating whatever you might like to come up with there too. You’d think that a murder of four would deserve a few more details, instead of just “and so on,” but not for Elron, who’s already skipping off to tell the next lying ass lie.

          Elron loved to project and displace his crimes onto others. In this case, he’s accusing his second wife, Sara, of kidnapping his fat ass, when in reality it was exactly the other way around. But just to make it super delusional and whacked out, he’s made her into a commie spy!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      This factually true because Elron was never reluctant to pour his seed into them and it’s obvious by comparing the pics that Moyinga-ding is related to them both!

    • Kestrel

      Leona looks upset that they never refunded the money she had “on accounts.”

  • beauty for ashes

    I would love to see Monique in church one day, when the time come to say peace be with you and shake your neighbor’s hand. Just to observe. Everyone does it differently. Depends on my mood, I like to be sincere and a little bit silly. Some people dead fish you a hand shake, barely making eye contact. Monique, certainly wouldn’t do that, I could see her maybe shaking your hand and grabbing your elbow as a off putting sign of power. I just wonder what she is like around her family and in her faith. **this is not a threat**

    • Observer

      Hmmm…does she wear the hypocrite mask, or does she simply stare down would-be greeters with her cold, dead eyes?

      Actually, I’d be surprised if she could set foot in any church (other than Scientology) without bursting into white-hot flames.

      • beauty for ashes

        She a born politician. If she’s there she will at least go through the motions like everyone else. It’s like catholic unconditional love. 🙂
        I bet she smiles, but not with her eyes. Those remain, cold, dead, and scary.

    • JJ

      Then she has to go home and wash off the spare body thetans before she meets with her client.

  • J. Swift

    When I was doing research for today’s article I thoroughly examined many CCHR websites. While it feels like internet dumpster diving, the fact is that one has to study Scientology websites in detail in order to be a good researcher. Scientology websites are a gold mine of the Cult’s paranoid mindset and CCHR has the most gruesome and weird of all Scientology websites.

    As to “Industry of Death” being a catchphrase, one CCHR website has a CGI reproduction of the actual Industry of Death museum in Hollywood. I toured the museum after it opened many years ago. The decor reminded me of a Marie Calender’s restaurant, sort of a French farmhouse motif, festooned with photos of Nazis and ghastly photos of lobotomies and ECT. There are also psychiatric appliances. The net effect led me to conclude that CCHR itself is in dire need of psychiatric treatment.

    On one wall there is a big sign that reads: “Psychiatry. Torture & Death Sold as Miracle Cure.” When I saw this, I realized Scientology was projecting what it does onto Psychiatry:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7dcfffb06030a3b4349b2611337ec44bc3d6173e3db9dd5ec50c3afd7ee6b6d8.png

    There is also a Eugenics display. Curiously, it has never occured to Scientology that its goal to create a master race of Homo Novis and to “dispose of quietly and without sorrow” all those 2.0 or below on the Tone Scale is a form of both Scientology eugenics and genocide.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/025efca76d157711080b95696abe8e599e890790ea798b1345701f396336f89b.png

    The Industry of Death museum has a strange display that features a collage of images that is weird and creepy:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a81e9f3988b3485775a71de05b444ec045361720e7b25e847fecb8b55e03f385.png

    On a final note, one CCHR website shows a Mr. Lage Vitus condemning the South African Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd as the architect of apartheid. Scientology then blames Psychiatry for apartheid:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ccd3825c1b7a391b271f54b52a4f2c0c8a7a2f358250a00b7582652c169b5988.png

    However, as the Daily Mail noted, Hubbard wrote to Verwoerd and praised Verwoerd’s slum clearance projects. In doing so, Hubbard effectively praised and condoned apartheid.

    In a letter written in November 1960 to Hendrik Verwoerd, a former president considered the architect of apartheid, Hubbard praises the devastating practice of forced resettlement of non-white South Africans.

    ‘Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may I state that you have conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the most impressive and adequate resettlement activity in existence,’ says the letter, which was brought up during South Africa’s 1972 Commission of Inquiry into Scientology.

    While in South Africa, Hubbard developed Scientology’s toughest test: a confessional-style list of probing
    questions, asked of followers while they hold the tin can electrodes of a lie detector-type device known as an ‘e-meter.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139093/Revealed-South-African-home-Scientology-leader-Ron-L-Hubbard-developed-notorious-lie-detecting-Johanesburg-Security-Check-using-e-meter-used-new-recruits.html

    • FredEX2

      Great info & pics Jeff. ~Always enjoy your well researched and interesting reports. The part about Scientology projecting the things they actually do onto other individuals or groups I find to be absolutely true. Many of the ’causes’ they say they stand up against…are things they do.

    • beauty for ashes

      My old roommate who is now a Doctor of Psychology used to make me watch videos like these all the time, with her other Dr. friend. They laughed a lot and said it was for my own good. What do you think?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLz2nBhFQoU

    • chukicita

      Thank you for bringing this catch phrase together so succinctly.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      “The net effect led me to conclude that CCHR itself is in dire need of psychiatric treatment.”

      LOL, ain’t that the big, fat, ironic truth.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Curiously, it has never occured to Scientology that its goal to create a
      master race of Homo Novis and to “dispose of quietly and without
      sorrow” all those 2.0 or below on the Tone Scale is a form of both
      Scientology eugenics and genocide.”

      Elron was an old school Master Racist at heart and would have been delighted to have his own small country to tear apart. Indeed, he slithered ashore in a number of far flung lands, hoping to establish local ties and insinuate himself into government circles. Elron imagined that he could become some sort of freelance supreme rullah, and even went so far as to write up an unsolicited draft of a new constitution for one country.

      $cn would like to promote the revisionist history view that Hitler, the Nazis and the rise of Fascism were all a diabolical plot of the evil psychs, but in reality, Elron had much more affinity for exactly the kind of Eugenics programs that Hitler adopted and horrifically extended.

      • JJ

        Ah The Master Race… Groucho Marx.

      • eucliditis

        So Elron is trying to say that Nazi Germany was really about engrams and silent births? Who knew.

    • BunchOfFives

      Is there an entry fee to this “museum”?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Your soul.

        • BunchOfFives

          I can spare a BT or two.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I think they would laugh heartily if you were to say that to them. On second thoughts, no they wouldn’t.

      • J. Swift

        It is free to visit the Industry of Death museum. Just watch out for trap doors.

    • JJ

      Uber creeptastical and so telling. The old projection-rejection point your finger scenario.

    • arcinva

      You are just such a treasure, Mr. Augustine. These pieces you write to succinctly take down every lie and hypocrisy the “church” puts out there. The hours and hours you must surely spend in your research is something I am so grateful for. Keep up the good work.

    • Lori Davenport

      Hi all,

      I just have to say I admire you. I was never in Scientology, but my sister was taken in and lied to from the start. I will keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers and I just know that the Lord will shine light in the dark places of this thing. Love to all of you.

  • OKSooner01

    Am I alone in finding Yingling’s incessant blinking reminiscent of Robert Durst in “The Jinx”?

  • Science Doc

    I’m pretty sure Freud, Adler, and the other mostly Jewish first generation psychiatrists had very little to do with creating Hitler.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Spoil sport. Bringing facts into a Fact-Free zone.

  • Xique

    “My last physician informed me that it might be very helpful if I were to be examined and treated psychiatrically or even by a psycho-analyst.” Classic. “Could you please help me.” L Ron Hubbard

    • Observer

      If only someone had listened.

  • FredEX2

    After going thru a reformation Scientology adopted new…and more rigorous policies as re-written by their Leader David Miscavige…for instance there was a new change on the Survival Rundown to make it so much more fun…and challenging…
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fe4ca64c89a4b51fbc0b6920d543fa4ccb12ebae434210a5e7abcffa5c6d9819.jpg

  • This comment is so far off-topic that even I don’t quite believe it – and I’m the one who’s posting it.

    Would you believe a DC Comic Super-villain (one Lord Manga Khan http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Manga_Khan_(New_Earth) ) with a robot minion called L-Ron. In this DC fan wiki (under trivia) is listed the little gem that “L-Ron is also known as L-Ron H*bb*rd and L-Ron the Robot.”

    A little research shows that the character first appeared in “Justice League International” #14 in June 1988. The Wikipedia articles on him are more straightforward noting that, “L-Ron (named after writer L. Ron Hubbard) was originally the robot companion of Manga Khan.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-Ron

    Wikipeida also notes that L-Ron also appeared in the “Young Justice: Invasion” TV episode, “Cornered” voiced by Phil LaMarr and nearly featured as a villain in a mercifully unmade move entitiled “Superman Lives” where he was to be given a ” ‘gay R2-D2’ persona.”

    I will leave further research to comic enthusiasts. All I can say is, ‘you can’t make it up…’

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3a3aaa09aa3e7318bed05e094a019076243dcb9758d375a10910021aa76518e.jpg

    • Joe

      The robot doesn’t even have teeth and yet they’re still better than the real Hubbard’s.

    • daisy

      i am laughing because you think that is off topic.

      • Well..it’s about as far as you can get from Monique Yingling.

        L-ron is comic relief – a servile entity going through the motions of managing appearances for a another character with delusions of grandeur.

        Come to think of it, perhaps there isa similarity.

  • FredEX2

    With all the bad PR of late…Scientology ecclesiastical Leader David Miscavige decided to abolish the Fair Game policy as it was previously written…and then issued the new Fair Game II policy which was found to be much quicker and more effective in neutralizing a potential trouble source…
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a66dc4a10bc71fb490b3864d49ba22854291911dc2c97ac83e09c6888621977.jpg

  • chukicita

    Watching football playoffs, end of 3rd quarter, new Scientology commercial 30 second spot with meaningless number stats, flashy text graphics, upbeat urgent drums and new line, Change is going to take all of us. Also kept branding ‘our help is yours’
    Edit: Tampa Bay market. Any others?

    • What’sup

      OMG!! They’re clearing the planet!

      • flyonthewall

        with a vengeance

    • Observer

      That sounds like a threat if I’ve ever heard one.

      • chukicita

        They forgot to say “all of us except SPs, LGBTQ, people with disabilities, and those we say don’t have the effing rank.”

        • Joe

          “Discover the Knowledge of You.”

          Spoiler alert: it turns out “you” are really into giving away your life savings, not asking questions, and cutting ties with family members.

          • chukicita

            Yes, that was at the beginning. That and the ‘change will take all of us’ were new to me – maybe condensed from the NYE video, which seems to be the only thing SuMP has churned out since its grand opening.

            Discover the knowledge of you: There could hardly be a sentence any further devoid of meaning.

    • Kestrel

      Sorry. If it played in Dallas, I missed it. This nest isn’t going to clean itself.

      • chukicita

        I doubt it’s national.

        Still have to wonder what a Catholic or Jewish commercial would look like.

        • Kestrel

          Oh, they’d probably include sappy words like: love, family, home, heart, and welcome.

          • chukicita

            Yeah, you’re probably right. Compassion. Forgiveness. Community.

            • Liberated

              Yeah, how dare they?

    • Joe

      Their intentional vagueness only really seems to work pre-Internet (since people can and usually do google Scientology or have heard of Going Clear or Leah’s show).

      Their days of cool volcano commercials are long gone.

  • FredEX2

    All Scientology Staff and Sea Org were briefed on the new RPF’s RPF policy…which was proving to be a great tool in keeping Staff and parishoners in line.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c1982c2757c853b76641e8966dd7e6a91a82eddb54919dbed6bc1676b8d2d425.jpg

  • flyonthewall
    • Kestrel

      Oh, how I would love to see how that turns out.

    • What’sup

      Seems a little heavy handed.

      • Kestrel

        That’s nothing compared to the treatment endured by Lego addicts.

      • flyonthewall

        sending Scientology? It is, I was just kidding

    • Todd Tomorrow
  • FredEX2

    i hope a second season of Leah’s ‘Scientology~The Aftermath’ series starts soon.

    • salin

      post haste.

  • FredEX2

    When Miscavige decided that the Sec Check just wasn’t enough…he added a new twist in obtaining a confession out of parishoners…
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1feb7b304543ae96147c17e783bdaf2dc4b1a82f8042e3d396c4fb288a321f14.jpg

  • bbock

    She would not spin that. She would feign ignorance.

    • salin

      And in doing so reinforce that Co$ couldn’t muster up a member to be a spokesperson.

  • What’sup

    This is our new rescue kitteh, Sid. He’s cute as a button but also a violent psychopath. He get desexed and chipped tomorrow and hopefully we can find him a forever home.

    If I’m not around here it’s because he murdered me.

    • What’sup
      • Kestrel

        Handsome lad.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        As someone who’s done a lot of rescue work, I always say that kittens are lucky they’re so cute because they are wild fucking beasts. And Sid is an especially cute beast. Good for you for taking him in. Thank you for having the heart. Happy de-sexing, little one!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Beautiful psycho 🙂

        • What’sup

          Don’t be fooled. That’s his “Oii, what you lookin’ at?” face.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ohhhh. Yes.

    • Liberated

      Can’t wait.

    • chukicita

      Yes!!!

    • Nice.
      She’s “going there” with the brainwashing thing.

    • Yipee!

  • Kestrel

    O/T: The Atlanta Falcons just defeated the Seattle Seahawks in the NFC playoffs. Kestrel Nation is made up of enraptured raptors.

    • Shayne

      Falcons are amazing, but I was rooting for the Hawks.

  • Shayne

    Has Greta Van Susteren ever addressed her thoughts on psychiatry, given that her sis is a psychiatrist?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Greta’s sister ran for office and Gretta gave her money if I remember correctly.

  • salin

    Reminder – if you are reading this, then you both appreciate today’s edition (well researched and written, Jeff Augustine) and the comments responding. Let it be known – click recommend – it’s an upvote for the day’s Underground Bunker. Also consider, if you don’t already, donating to help underwrite the UB (top left of the page) and/or when buying on Amazon using the link through this website (just under the donation) which also supports the UB.

    As a reminder I share some recent sky-watching poetry from the NASA website Spaceweather.com Tonight is an amazing cloud/storm sillohette shot from Atacoma, Chile http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=132316&PHPSESSID=kaflcpc9vllkbt4t152fha6vr3

    • ExCult.Jan

      Fabulous! thanks

      • salin

        My pleasure. Thanks for the response.

  • daisy

    OT – finally got my mom in bed . She had a fall this am. The room looked like a crime scene . Blood on the walls , floor , bedside table. It was a head lac. which are usually bloody and she takes a blood thinner. After all was said and done all she required was 7 stitches. I do enjoy removing sutures so I guess it isn*t all bad.Oh and the teenage Dr. was cute.

    • Liberated

      Glad she’s ok D.
      You are a blessing.

      • daisy

        My mom would beg to differ. I have to wake her up every 4 hrs.

        • jayla197145

          I’m so sorry this happened, Daisy. Your mom is in the best, most capable, loving hands. XO

          • daisy

            Thank you so much . Being a good daughter is a very special compliment.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Holy crap, D. That’s scary. I hope mama heals up quick.

      ETA: And stop cougaring the Doogies, woman! ; )

    • ExCult.Jan

      Whew! Now let me get you a glass of wine and run you a bubble bath.

      • daisy

        Thank you , just make it a carton of wine please.

        • ExCult.Jan

          1 red cardbordeaux, coming up.

    • salin

      Glad that you are with her. You have the training and experience to appropriately respond. Mom, too, was on a blood thinner. I might have had a stroke, myself in dealing with the same scenario. You – managed the crisis with love and expertise. I imagine that the whole experience was exhausting (on high altert and action, until the situation was resolved with information and the 7 stitches. When sleep comes tonight, may it be deep and provide a respite from the day. Sending multiple hugs to you daughter to daughter – whew! Please in the next couple of days – find some way to feed your soul and rebuild your daughter/caregiver strength as it has had a degree of depletion through this. Sending more hugs so that you, too, take care of yourself so that you can keep taking such good care of your Mom.

      • daisy

        Thanks so much Salin. Even your advice sounds like poetry.

      • daisy

        I forgot to hug you back.

        • salin

          I always feel your hugs, daisy – even when you don’t explicitly tell me you are sending them. 😀

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Your poor mum! Did it hurt very much? You’re a good daughter, Daisy.

      • daisy

        I think it only hurt when they were putting in the freezing. It is sometimes hard to tell, because she is very stoic. Even the Dr. commented on it. I scream bloody murder and demand drugs if I stub my toe. I try because she was and is a good mum.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Poor mom. Get better soon.

          • daisy

            Thanks Emma she is sleeping now ,so all is well. Please send me a 1 word e-mail so I have your address. I cannot find it . I may have erased it by mistake.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Your mum sounds just like mine, Daisy – and you sound just like me! 😀

    • pat k

      Hubby too ison blood thinners & had a 12 hour nosebleed ( he is bigger than me and I offered the ER more than once!) and my little powder room was a mess! Best to you both …I’m still finding places I missed getting clean!

      • daisy

        Yeah it is a mess. Someone will think a murder as committed in there.Thank you for your best wishes.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Who’s got the Luminol?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Ouch! Sorry to hear this (((hugs))) your mom is fortunate to have you looking after her 🙂

      • daisy

        ((( hugs )))) Thank you monkey

      • daisy

        Hugs back. Thank you monkey. I am as equally fortunate to have her as a mom

  • daisy

    20-20 re-run about Carrie Fischer.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Here, let me top off your glass.

      • daisy

        . I know it is technically not a glass more of a pitcher ,but don*t mind if I do.

  • Tony Ortega

    So Chukicita, the ad you saw tonight during the football game was this one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB2Kq29A4KQ

    • iampissed

      Dox…Scientology.

    • What’sup

      Have you ever seen a bigger load of crap in all your life?

      • Tony Ortega

        I’m asking because from the description it sound like this one, which is from 2015.

        If there’s a new ad for this Super Bowl, they’re keeping it under wraps. By this time last year we’d seen the new ad.

        • Tony Ortega

          But we know from that audio I posted on New Year’s Eve that he played the new ad at the event. They just haven’t posted it yet, apparently.

          • chukicita

            There wasn’t a lot of voice over, it was text driven with drum heavy music bed.

    • pat k

      Yuck! Even without Davy’s voice I feel icky.

    • chukicita

      No. The one I saw had different statistics, different graphics, looked cleaner and emphasized the words ‘All Of Us’ on a globe just before the our help is yours. The numbers were very different, much lower, and there weren’t as many of them.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Someone you know must have DVR’ed it. Get them to put in on YouTube. Make it go right, Chukicita!

        • chukicita

          Ive already had a few glasses of command intention.

      • Tony Ortega

        OK. I wonder if they’ve posted it somewhere.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Could this be it? From AGP YouTube site:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOsgowCU90A

          • What’sup

            Yep, same one i found so must be.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              It was put up today, so I think it must be this one.

            • Tony Ortega

              Scientology put it on its channel 6 days ago. But it’s a crappy Golden Era special. I need to check the audio of the New Year’s event to see if it had voiceover.

        • What’sup

          Is this it? Scroll right one on video http://www.scientology.org/

      • Tony Ortega

        Did the one you saw have voiceover? I thought the one I heard on the New Year’s event had voiceover, but I might be wrong.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Tony, I posted a link to AGP’s YouTube site with a video put up today. It’s a few comments down. No voice-over, just music.

          • Tony Ortega

            Yes, it’s what they have on Scientology.org. But I want to know from Chukicita if that’s what played on the football game tonight.

        • chukicita

          No, it was just music. It seems to be a shorter version of this one they uploaded a few days ago, without the fear part in the beginning – starting with Scientology sponsors – but with other edits – like the part that says change will take all of us, and some different images throughout.

        • chukicita
        • chukicita

          and it def didn’t say over a million volunteers.

    • Graham

      I’d love to know the story behind the ‘stretcher’ pic (Two ‘volunteer ministers’ running stooped from a helicopter holding the front end of a stretcher). It’s probably the only photo of VMs actually doing anything useful and they use it on every single VM ad (Including the ones in the UK which resulted in the Advertising Standards Authority rapping their knuckles).

      Who are the two VMs? Where were they? Which legitimate aid workers did they snatch this stretcher from for the photo op? Hopefully someone who was there will blow at some point and give us the background to this pic, which gives such a false idea of what VMs do.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Have you guys seen this recipe for the Hurricane Leah cocktail? Trevor Horn shared it to SPs and I didn’t know if he’d already posted it here. F5

    *clink*

    http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4370.html

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6003e9a1cad9e46dda2a1be000626c85069de3015f76ec3f9373697d07995f56.jpg

    • salin

      Sounds like a recipe to knock one out in one drink. Oh. Of Course. Leah – knocking the heck out of Co$ with each episode. (Toasting with Hurricane Leah – to season 2, 3 and 4!)

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Trevor Horn – the record producer???

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        The very same 😛

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          We are honored!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            (I’m lying!)

          • jazzlover
            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I said producer, not Jon Anderson wannabe.

            • jazzlover

              OK. Which record did he actually produce that was good (note: he didn’t really produce “90125”)?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Well, I’m sure there were some good ones. I can’t think of one right now. Ummm… How about ‘Tubular Bells II’?

            • jazzlover

              Didn’t know he produced that. Anyway, I was just kinda teasing you. I’m sure if Trevor Horn poured me a drink and offered me the opportunity to be present at one of his recording sessions, I wouldn’t turn it down 🙂

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Looking at his discography, I will say it is laden with cheese. But I remember him fondly from my youth, when I grew up in th UK, and the quality of music on TOTP wasn’t all that high. He was a powerful man in the industry.

            • jazzlover

              I guess. If Chris Squire wasn’t desperate enough to recruit the 2 Buggles, nobody would have heard of Horn. I’d also advise against assuming that “producer” always means something significant. Some are just time keepers who are there to keep things under budget, some are just record label lackeys who are there to produce radio hits and do as the label wants in terms of making the most money possible, and then there are those who exert a real influence on the finished product in one way or another or in a multitude of ways.

    • chukicita

      That sounds delicious.

    • I love the scaling feature. Saved me the effort.

      Hurricane Leah recipe
      serve in
      Hurricane Glass
      Scale ingredients to
      20 servings
      5 oz light rum
      5 oz gin
      5 oz vodka
      5 oz tequila
      5 oz Blue Curacao liqueur
      20 dash cherry brandy
      60 oz sweet and sour mix
      60 oz orange juice

      • ExCult.Jan

        You plan on sharing some of that around?

        • Yep.

          • ExCult.Jan

            I’ll bring ice. Tues at 10, right?

    • chukicita

      This reminds me of a conversation earlier today, where some friends were trying to invent an Inauguration Day cocktail, and they came up with the Fump Truck, which evidently is 2 oz. of Goldschlager and a line of powdered orange Tang.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Snort!

        • ExCult.Jan

          *whispers* …there’s a little bit of orange stuff under your nose…

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’ve been sniffing Cheetos dust again, Jan!

    • Unex Skcus

      Sounds delish. In a previous life (well, some decades ago) my fav cocktail was a “Sloe Comfortable Screw Up Against The Wall”

      http://hamptonroadshappyhour.com/sloe-comfortable-screw-against-wall

    • littlefish

      unofficial official drink of howdy con? and everyone will be shitfaced in 20 minutes.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        It could get very messy, very quickly! 😀

  • Noallball

    Hi folks. I’m new here so please be gentle. I have been interested in the vagaries of scientology for years, having heard about it in the 70s. Since that time I’ve read, seen and heard about it in many different contexts. I must say that in the last few years I’ve learned a great deal. I’m not an expert, but (yeah, yeah, there’s always a but) I can understand why people are so passionate about it no matter which side they light on. Ying Ling certainly didn’t do Scientology any favors during her recent appearance. I guess my question is ths? Does anybody else think David Miscavige beat the hell out of her after the broadcast?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I’m interested in vagaries as well. Just sayin’ 😉

      No, seriously, we J&D a lot around here. Don’t mind me. (J&D is scientologese for joking and degrading).

      Welcome to the Bunker!

      • Noallball

        Thanks for welcoming me into the fold. Nice and comfy here.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Very comfy. Some of us haven’t been outside for years.

          • Liberated

            Keep you pants on…please!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Why do you think there are so many newcomers here after I started posting my videos and pics? I bring in the crowds, and I gotta keep them happy.

            • Liberated

              Oh ok, you do have a point.

          • Noallball

            Pass the whatever there is to drink please. I’m in for the long haul.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              My libation is Aquavit, but I’m from Norway, so it’s in my blood.

              Cheers!

    • daisy

      The only people who light on their side are scientologists ,work for the COS or are ignorant of the abuses. I doubt he beat the hell out of her. She is not a underling and not a scientologist , and presumed not to be brainwashed. Welcome we only eat the trolls.

      • Noallball

        Thanks for the welcome daisy. Actually I know she’s neither a Scientologist nor an underling. It was a joke, son (or daughter.) Just saying’. I’ll bet he wanted to mop the floor with her though.

        • salin

          Probably upon first view (as she says what he wanted/directed) he was pleased. Until moments later when social media blew up and indicated that she was a disaster. Then yes, probably he wanted a Yingling mop. Akin to how proud he was with his micromanaged production of the film Battlefield Earth (Best Advertisement – ever!), until the reviews were so horrible then: F*ck Travolta!

    • salin

      It is of interest that she has become the primary public spokesperson for Scientology (the two national broadcasts of Scientology stories – first the 20/20 show in advance of Ron Miscavige’s book release, then the response to the A & E Aftermath show). She is not a Scientologist, so the leverage over her by Miscavige is financial (she is a primary tax attorney, and reportedly a personal attorney to Miscavige.) But I wouldn’t be surprised if the levers over her, while not including physical violence or extreme regging or threats of disconnection, include black mail either tied to her direct work for Scientology (questionable ethics issues), and things discovered through extensive Private Investigators’ work to compromise her. No reason to suggest that except – Scientology’s track record.

      • Noallball

        I so agree with you. One wonders too, if Miscavige sees PI’s in his nightmares. Oh, I’m sorry. You have to feel fear of some sort to have nightmares and we know he has no fear, except of every living, breathing thing on this planet. Okay, so maybe he isn’t afraid of Tommy boy.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hi, it’s very nice to meet you 🙂 In answer to your question, if he was happy enough with her performance when he put her on screen to rebut his father then he would have been just as happy with this latest performance, presumably.

    • chukicita

      Welcome.
      I don’t think she as a non Scientologist would be subject to the kind of physical abuse that a Captain Miscsvige reserves for members of the Sea Org or staff.

      Who knows what he holds over her head.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    OT. This is one of the best things I’ve ever seen: “Life Accordion To Trump”.

    And now I will never be able to watch him again without mentally inserting his accordion. I won’t say where.

    https://twitter.com/rabbitandcoffee/status/819906384917446656

    • Robert Ramsay

      🙂 my kind of humour. I have to run to the loo now.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Just keep a bucket nearby for accordion emergencies.

    • Unex Skcus

      ^ ROFL 🙂

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Urine is sterile.

      • Liberated

        I hate trump, piss on him.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’ll join yah!

        • daisy

          If you hate Trump , definitely do not piss on him , he likes that.

    • JJ

      A tip for telling lies… When denying you did something say: “No, I have not, have never, did not……do such and what.” Do not say I could not have never would have will not etc. The tone is insincere, a flat denial is more convincing that a lukewarm: ” I couldn’t have done such and what because _______. ” doesn’t mean you didn’t. It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself you didn’t do something.

    • daisy

      LOL- unfortunately you can still hear him..

  • Noallball

    Please let me make one thing very clear. I’m an absolute supporter of the destruction of Scientology by peaceful but outspoken means. I am not a supporter of denigrating, bullying or insulting those thousands ( let’s face it folks, there aren’t millions or even hundreds of thousands.) of members who will one day wonder what hit them when they wake up to find Ronnie has deserted them, taking hundreds of millions of dollars with him. They deserve our unwavering support. They’re gonna need it. I’m sorry if I gave anyone the impression I detest anything but the institution and the man who runs it.

    • salin

      I read that vibe (implied) in your question. Glad you have joined the conversation.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      All who are in scientology (maybe even davey) joined the cult because they thought they were going to help the world. Somewhere along the way, the brainwashing kicked in, and now they are prisoners of the ramblings of a sick madman. It’s not the people, it’s the system.

    • Liberated

      I agree, and we (bunkerites) have a very good time doing just that.

    • Liberated

      Warning…the bunker is addictive.

      • Noallball

        Alas Libby, it’too late. I’m done for.

  • Sarah James

    Scientology is known for it’s astounding lies, and the blinkers that spread them…

  • Nat-leficent

    Worst “art” installation ever?

    JERRY MAGUIRE’ VIDEO STORE OPENS IN ECHO PARK
    http://abc7.com/entertainment/jerry-maguire-video-store-opens-in-echo-park/1701618/

  • funnybroad
  • pat k

    Guys, I was just at Heatstreet.com and this was a headline -Scientology-Backed ‘Anti-Psychiatry’ Scholarship Raises Fears at University of Toronto. Yikes! Sorry I’m not informed enough to link.

  • Tony Ortega

    Yeah, the church put this on its channel 6 days ago…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiE0aYcCFaA

    If this is what’s airing in the Super Bowl, it’s a lot weaker than the last four years. This is just a Golden Era special, it’s obviously not from that firm they farmed it out to the last few times.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      It’s not terrible. It’s not great either. Which firm did the previous ads?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      The New Years event showing of the ad starts at around 2:08:45. It has a voice-over, and music similar to the video above, and it’s only about one minute long, not 1:51 as the one above.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
      • Tony Ortega

        What they’ll air during the Super Bowl will only be 30 seconds long. So even farther cut down.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Thank Xenu for that. 30 sec of scientology is more than enough for most people.

    • chukicita

      What I saw was similar, but not exactly this. Using a lot of it, but some was tweaked and slightly different. I kind of like how it pretty much shows that Narconon and CCHR are official “humanitarian initiatives” of Scientology, Inc. Makes the legal distancing kind of awkward.

    • madame duran

      “3287 were sold into slavery; 2570 were born into poverty” (claims from latest Scientology ad).
      I’m sure charging people tens of thousands of dollars for salvation is going to solve the poverty problem real quick. *rolls eyes*

      And remind me again which Scientology front group is actively STOPPING slavery/trafficking (beyond handing out booklets/pamphlets)? Right…none!

      • JJ

        Mathscavige.

      • ExCult.Jan

        …”regained their honesty and self-respect”….

        Suddenly queasy.

  • Sunny Sands

    (F5) While driving through downtown Clearwater today, I noticed the park they use for their Winter Wonderland. All the sod has been removed, leaving bare dirt. This is at the corner of Drew St. and N. Ft. Harrison Ave., close to the renovated West Coast Building that was remodeled last year. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9bcde9dfe0c4962ddab82b0a6f5081d17990798c9ff5938d42fcf6633e2e435.jpg

    • chukicita

      First read gave me “all the soul has been removed, leaving bare dirt.” Sounded right.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    So, I don’t know if you all saw Kelly Preston at the Golden Globes last weekend, but apparently her makeup artist for the event was Gina Ribisi. Clams don’t let clams go unemployed. Her sister Marissa approves. Like this family is getting out any time soon… (F5)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15361f71ae3bb0969c638855482b47479bdc1a6a5512ac520ec077943024e6d4.png

    • jazzlover

      So instead of commenting about what the Golden Globes is all about, they’re focusing on Kelly’s appearance. LOL

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yeah, but it’s all about appearances, though, right?

        Btw, good to see you again! I feel like you haven’t been around as much lately. Or I haven’t been…

        • jazzlover

          Thanks. I’ve still been lurking occasionally. You’re right on the appearance thing because I don’t think Kelly’s been in much in quite a while. I do remember way back when when she took a pop at Charlie Sheen 🙂

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Ha! Wait, I thought it was Charlie who took a pop at her? Like, literally. As in, he shot at her. (That mofo has always been crazy.)

            • jazzlover

              When they were dating, I think it was her who took a shot at him. He probably deserved it though 🙂

              ETA – you may be right, but this is Sheen’s account of it. Who knows if it’s true or not 🙂

              http://www.eonline.com/news/239915/did-charlie-sheen-really-shoot-kelly-preston-21-years-later-we-get-the-answer

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              No, pretty sure it was the other way around. But if she had, few would’ve blamed her.

            • jazzlover

              See my edit. She had the wound but Sheen claims he didn’t cause it. LOL

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yeah, I think he claimed that she shot herself. What a douche nozzle. How did scientology miss out on recruiting him?

            • jazzlover

              Too many drugs and too much psychosis? 🙂 But hey – tons of cash! You’re right, they must not have been on their game.

    • Sherbet

      Ribisi or not, she looks darn good.

  • Tony Ortega

    Yes, OK, I did relisten to the New Year’s event, and here’s the voiceover of the Super Bowl ad…

    There are words to describe every step we take
    Every moment
    Every memory
    Every landmark
    And milestone
    Words for the joy
    And the sorrow
    The victories
    And the triumphs
    The defeat that pushes us into the shadows
    And the inspiration that brings us back
    But through all of life’s journey
    There’s no language adequate to describe
    The ultimate heights you can attain
    Your full potential

    So the title of the ad is likely to be “Your full potential,” and it doesn’t appear that they’ve posted it yet. If you find it, please let me know.

    • chukicita

      Definitely not what I saw tonight.

      • Tony Ortega

        Yeah. They appear to be keeping it under wraps this year, unlike previous years. Maybe we’ll start seeing it during the AFC and NFC championship games next week.

        • chukicita

          That one part where it says ALL OF US seems like they are trying to copy the Call Me vibe with a lot of individual photos.

      • madame duran
        • chukicita

          No.

    • outraged

      Looking for the commercial, found Vulture page which listed Leah’s show as one of 2016 top ‘pop culture'(?) moments of the year.

      http://www.vulture.com/2017/01/vulture-insiders-on-top-cultural-moments-of-2016.html

    • Sherbet

      High school valedictorian-speak.

      • Observer

        Proof positive that DM didn’t write it himself.

        • Sherbet

          Right! No diploma, no ad copy. And it’s too brief for Sherman. I think it was copied out of a Reader’s Digest.

          • Observer

            Or OSA, hankering for the glory days of the GO, sent an agent in to steal the graduation speech of the valedictorian of Not Hemet High School Class of 2016.

            • Sherbet

              Observer, I suspect you’re not attaining Your Full Potential.

            • Graham

              Michelle Obama’s graduation speech?

            • Observer

              I’m pretty sure she was far more erudite even in her childhood than anything Scientologists or former “warriors” can even imagine.

            • Graham

              Wasn’t meaning to ‘dis’ Michelle Obama. I was just speculating that, following Mrs Trump stealing a MO speech perhaps Slappy Dave might have done the same. Sorry if my reference was a bit obscure.

            • Observer

              I knew what you meant. I was just taking the opportunity to snark at Scientology’s communication skills.

          • Nat-leficent

            Some new Jeff Hawkins type wunderkind?

            • Sherbet

              Minus the volcano.

  • flyonthewall

    I made a horrible mistake and I’d like to come clean. Did you guys know that as of July 2014 Red Lobster was no longer a part of Darden’s Restaurant, Inc? I feel like such an idiot. I’m sorry for going on about them lately. If I had known they were no longer part of the trusted and beloved Darden’s Restaurant, Inc portfolio of quality family and casual dining establishments I never would of endorsed them. I did verify that Olive Garden and Longhorn Steakhouse are still owned by Darden’s, so no worries there. Please accept my humble apologies for this unfortunate misunderstanding and have a coupon for a free salad and sodie at Olive Garden. Thank you

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aabe54f1249994c33564a0a5cdef50f34e994aeedab2b26ed7ede4ab68d943fc.png

    • Sherbet

      You usually get free salad at Olive Garden.

    • Jimmy3

      ban this scammer pls

      • Sherbet

        You’ve got to admit, the coupon is really nicely done. I could barely tell the difference between this fake one and an authentic Olive Garden coupon. He must be using special software.

        • Jimmy3

          No. Last time this scammer gave me a coupon it was for “1 free toof fix” and my dentist said it was fake. And that they don’t accept coupons. And if they did they definitely wouldn’t accept ones written in crayon.

          • flyonthewall

            i told you it’s only valid at tooth hurty and not a minute earlier or later!

            • Jimmy3

              Your dad joke game is strong. And cute

          • Sherbet

            Jeez, ya can’t trust anyone. Thanks for the tip, Jimmy.

    • To make you feel better, I almost bought Desert Eagle .50 cal, muzzled, little recoil.
      Almost because still unsure if it owned by Moonies. Such a fine pistol though.

    • Mockingbird

      Have you heard Darden’s is accused of being one of the biggest perpetrators of wage theft in the US ?

      • flyonthewall

        yeah and they pass the savings on to you. What’s the problem?

        • Mockingbird

          Savings ? They have had to pay out millions in lawsuits ! Like Scientology !

  • Mac

    Hello. I have a general question comment for Mr Ortega and whichever ex-scientologists that wish to answer. I guess I am the type of person you wanted to make aware of the problems with Scientology theough media coverage and Leah Remini’s expose. So here I am. I’m watching and learning all I can and reading online but I am left with a bad feeling after watching the Remini expose. I am under the impression that some ex-scientologists want Scientology back in their lives but without Miscavige.

    I can see that many prominent ex-scientologists have come forward some of whom have done terrible things to other people and seem, to me at least, to equivocate rather than apologize for grevious deeds. I’m thinking of Mark Rathburn in particular and both Rinder and even Leah Remini although less greviously slow. So what am I seeing? Is this a truly EX Scientology movement because it’s understood how cults work and how harmful they are or are some of these people wishing for a reformation?

    As someone who is not inclined towards cults and who has gotten a friend out of one in Quebec, I can see myself throwing my support behind the former but not the latter. This comment and question is meant sincerely and without the intention to offend.

    • JJ

      I think the issue is as varied as the people inside and outside and on the edge of coming out of Scientology, Just like people joined for different reasons. Many people believe Scientology genuinely helps them in their life and want to continue to utilize it, while others want nothing more to do with it at all. Some want a piecemeal approach use what works and discard the rest and some simply want the ousting of the current leader because they feel he neither uses nor represents what Scientology has to offer and/or they feel he is a criminal on many levels. Depends who you ask.

    • Sherbet

      JJ answered below, but I’ll say you’ll probably not see people who want scientology to be reformed on Leah Remini’s series. The people she’s interviewed pretty much have come to the conclusion that it’s all garbage. Ron Miscavige is an exception, we think, but he didn’t praise lrh during his episode of the show.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s a good question, and the answer really varies depending on who you’re talking about. There is no question that on one end of the spectrum there are people who detest David Miscavige with every fiber of their being, but if Miscavige were to go they would be very interested in going back into the church and “reforming” it. I have only met a very few on that end, but they do exist. Others left Scientology because of Miscavige, and still revere Hubbard and want to practice Scientology on their own outside any formal organization, or as part of a very loose, informal one. And on the other end of the spectrum you have former Scientologists who see the entire thing, and everything L. Ron Hubbard wrote, as utter bullshit, and want to see Scientology wiped from the earth.

      In general, I would say that the people who were portrayed on Leah’s show were done with Scientology pretty completely, with a few exceptions. Mike Rinder has acknowledged that he helped run an abusive organization when he was in, and he has expressed regret for what he’s done and I know that he’s apologized to some people personally. But I also know that there are others who feel that he hasn’t done enough to atone for what he did inside.

      There’s no question that Leah’s show has more of an ex-Scientologist view than, say, Going Clear, which was done by a journalist and a filmmaker. And for that reason, you’re not seeing L. Ron Hubbard’s nutty ideas taken apart like they were by Gibney and Wright. But her focus on the abuses of the church are really connecting with the public in a big way, and so it’s hard to second-guess her when she’s having so much success.

      • Mockingbird

        It’s tough because there are people like Leah Remini and Ron Miscavige Sr. that believe Hubbard had some good ideas and techniques. They are in my opinion the minority of ex Scientologists.

        I have interacted with hundreds of exes since leaving the cult three years ago and in my opinion only a small percentage think Hubbard had any beneficial technology. Usually people reject him more and more in proportion to time out and certainly in proportion to the degree of education they get about psychology, thought reform and cults in general.

        A small number hold belief in the beginning portion of Scientology but they are rare, a smaller number in my opinion hold hope the spiritual aspects of the technology, like OT powers and past life recall, are genuine but exceedingly rare.

        There are in my opinion degrees of recovery and one person may entirely reject Scientology while another person may claim to but yet hold many, many beliefs, feelings and behaviors that Hubbard encouraged.

        To some exes the idea that all exes hold belief in engrams, the reactive mind, overts/witholds, auditing as beneficial, past lives not to mention the Xenu garbage is frustrating.

        An ex Scientologist has in some circles trouble asserting total renouncing of Scientology and Hubbard. An atheist that was Catholic often is understood as not believing in a virgin mother and the trinity but such is life.

        If like myself you don’t accept any terms or concepts from Scientology and see Hubbard as a pathological liar and malignant narcissist that never found any wisdom or truth then you just have to assert it over and over.

        Yes, I WAS a Scientologist – but now I am not.

      • Mockingbird

        Tony Ortega, you probably have even more regular contact with ex Scientologists than I do . I have seen a few informal polls at ESMB and other places and most exes completely disavow Scientology and Hubbard when asked. A few always differ and even fewer think Hubbard found something that can be isolated and used in another form. Some tweak auditing and put their own twists on it.

        I personally see no way auditing could ever be changed from a dangerous and harmful fraud.

        • MaxSpaceman

          you may need to see if there’s an earlier-similar on that, bird.

          • Mockingbird

            Uh….

            • yeah! what are your crimes?

            • Mockingbird

              Far too many to list here. 😂😂😂😂😂

            • MaxSpaceman

              kidding, kidding 🙂

      • Mick Roberts

        As a never-in, I think the way Leah and Mike are doing their show and focusing on the abuses (instead of the “nuttiness”) is really what is connecting to many outside people like me.

        I used to just see Scientology as a celebrity, Hollywood, elitist club who believe that they’ve been invaded by space aliens (I was one of those “South Park” people who learned about Xenu). When I heard that, I just laughed and went on about my way. At the time, I figured I would just let people believe what they want to believe, no matter how ridiculous it may sound to me personally.

        Going Clear and some news reports brought some of the abuses into focus for me, and I became a bit more educated about the culture of this church. But the format of Leah’s and Mike’s Aftermath show actually humanizes that pain and suffering that real people experience as a result of Scientology’s culture, and THAT is what sticks to regular “never-in” folks like me…..because it’s no longer a laughing matter where we can just chuckle at how crazy we think Tom Cruise is acting. We see what has happened and what is still currently happening to good people and it pisses us off.

        Therefore, I’m glad Leah and Mike don’t spend much time on the “Xenu stuff” trying to explain how much BS the overall philosophy of Scientology is, and instead focus mostly on how devastating this can be to the lives of people who come across as genuinely good people. That’s what people like me need to hear. It’s what drove me to start posting here and on Mike Rinder’s blog and really keeping up with this stuff on a daily basis.

        Hopefully exposure like this to the general public can help enact real change that ex-Scientologists are pushing for, either by showing current Scientologists that there is a lot of outside support for people who leave, keeping the pressure on the Church and spreading the dangers of this group so they won’t get many new members that they can get sucked in and they die by attrition, or putting our elected leaders and governmental agencies on notice that many folks who’ve never been a part of this religion are starting to demand some real changes (not just by former members of Scientology anymore).

        • chukicita

          Scientology uses its religious cloaking device to blind our elected officials to its abuses, as well as never-ins like you and me who also support the idea of religious freedom.

          I think elected officials and US government agencies are the ones who need most to understand that it is not about wacky beliefs at all, but more about the policy-driven abuses of people and entire communities. Scientology’s written goals conflict with democracy (as pointed out in Germany), and Scientology’s operations already been convicted of fraud in other countries. It is a hate group, unable to exist without being in a constant state of war.

      • Mockingbird

        FYI , Steven Hassan posted something on Facebook which you may already know.

        I have just gotten permission to say that I will be appearing on the Leah Remini Reddit special this coming Tuesday night on A&E. I need to wait til official press release to say anything else. Please spread the word. It will be on 10 pm eastern. Set your DVR! I think it should be really interesting! There will be two other extremely interesting guests with Leah and Mike Rinder

    • Mockingbird

      Regarding why letting go of an abusive or cultic relationship is so difficult I will share a quote by psychoanalyst and cult expert Doctor Daniel Shaw:

      For your consideration from Shaw:
      “One of the reasons why many of the people who leave cultic groups choose not to identify their own experience as abusive is because to do so would mean acknowledging an extraordinary degree of grief over the loss of a cherished idealized attachment, connected to their most cherished hopes about themselves and about life. This is in addition to the unleashing of an extraordinary degree of shame about their own self-deception and gullibility, and shame and rage about the manner of abuse they were willing to endure for the sake of maintaining their tie to the leader. Eventually, the realization that their devotion and labor in the group led to no real personal growth, and to no significant contribution to society, will also become a source of deep shame and regret.”

      Daniel Shaw

      Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation Page 51

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      As someone who works with survivors of a different cult, it is not unusual for people who have been in a cult for a long time to have ambivalent feelings about it for a very long time. It takes a lot of time and distance to work their feelings out and to come to an understanding of what they really believe post-cult. It is a difficult process, and a small percentage will return to the cult even though it is abusive. Every case is different. Most people I have worked with vacillate back and forth, struggle with which parts they think they may still believe, or decide they don’t believe any of it. I have seen survivors put the cult leader’s portrait on their wall even though they have just run for their lives away from that person. It is a complex and painful process that takes time. I don’t think any assumptions can be made about Leah, Mike, or anyone else’s real feelings because they are still in the process of evolving.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Well put.

    • sizzle8

      You’ll never hear from the vast majority of ex-scientologists. They left, are not coming back and don’t want to be in the limelight or don’t have extremely horrible stories that they are willing to share. They left it behind and don’t want to revisit that time of their lives.

      That said, even if Miscavige was removed and Scientology reformed, I doubt that more than a handful would want to go back.

      Too much is known about Hubbard’s true mental state and about the toxicity of his policies to make it safe. His madness is so intertwined in the “tech” that it would be impossible to separate the workable from the crazy. A reformed ‘church’ would not be able to do that.

      Mike Rinder and Leah have done so much to right their own ‘wrongs’ that they could walk away now and deservedly hold their heads high.

    • MarcabExpat

      You can turn on the light, but you can’t make people open their eyes.

      If Scientology weren’t abusive, I wouldn’t care about it. What does it matter to me how many quadrillions of years old someone thinks the universe is? If somebody has an e-meter and wants to use it, or wants to grow old reading thousands of pages of drivel, they have the freedom to do that. It’s sad, but it’s their business.

      If somebody has left because they love the idea of “the tech” but hate the abuses, they are “on the right side” even if they are deluded. There is no hope that Scientology can be reformed, but even though they don’t realize that, they’re no longer supporting the abuse. If they don’t realize for a while (or maybe ever) that Scientology can fairly be classed as a cult, they’ve still stopped aiding and abetting it. It can take years after walking away to truly achieve mental freedom.

      Marty Rathbun is partly a figure of such interest precisely because many have suggested that while he left because Miscavige abused him, he would go right back if he could and pick up in Miscavige’s stead, on the idea that HE would do a much better job running things. And in fact if you look at many of his statements, there is some support for such a perception. None of us really know, of course.

      Mike Rinder and Leah Remini, though, deserve credit for a clean break. Both of them have been explicit in their condemnatory descriptions of exactly how Scientology uses its standard policy and practices to achieve its undue influence, Rinder eloquently and profusely so over a period of years. No one could watch Aftermath and come away with the impression that they don’t understand how cults work. Mike R. is an expert on how they work and is devoting much of his time to making that clear.

      Leah is still practically a newbie-ex, still surprised at the behavior she’s uncovering in her episodes, but even she is crystal-clear: “Fight for your love ones, get them out of THIS THING.” And: “I didn’t want to find out that everything I had believed my whole life was a lie.” That pretty much says it all.

  • FredEX2

    Ralph couldn’t believe it! After only taking a personality test 43 years ago… and after moving 6 different times since then…
    ~Scientology somehow STILL found him…and kept calling.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2756f4a4ea265c43042c1fd9693e9310f355172bf482d34b59b12c07bc915f47.jpg

    • JJ

      Then he still has money to giv…I mean valuable tech to learn to move himself up the Bridge to Total Happiness and supreme monkitude.

      • FredEX2

        LOL

  • Liberated

    The movie Roxanne is on tv now, I’m looking at Shelley Duvall and thinking how pretty and alive she is,
    I hate to see her fall through the cracks.
    She deserves so much better.

  • First Independent Church of Scientology requests a copyright and trademark license from the Church of Scientology (more precisely, RTC and CST), and has an alternative plan if rejected.

    http://religiouslibertyleague.org/a-path-to-victory/

    .

  • outraged
  • Shivani33

    Other than her compulsive blinking, another outstanding overdose quality coming from Monique Y. is that she is very glib. This has given me an irresistible daydream, wherein Tom Cruise, who seems to despise glibness in a way that’s almost uncontrollable, complains to Dave about Yingling. Nostrils flared, T.C. tells Miscavige, “Dave, you’ve made a huge boo-boo. Not once but twice! You’ve trotted her out on tv twice and given her engraved Waterford, Dave. Not just terrible PR, but embarrassing. Em- Bare-Assing! Not only is that Yingling woman unattractive, she’s glib. Glib, Dave!” And Tom and Dave, down to the last straw, break up at last.

  • Mockingbird

    Bunkeroos Steven Hassan posted the following today or last night on Facebook:

    I have just gotten permission to say that I will be appearing on the Leah Remini Reddit special this coming Tuesday night on A&E. I need to wait til official press release to say anything else. Please spread the word. It will be on 10 pm eastern. Set your DVR! I think it should be really interesting! There will be two other extremely interesting guests with Leah and Mike Rinder

    • Liberated

      Yay!

  • The Explorer Race

    This might have been said here already, but Hubbard”s hatred of psychiatry (according to some of the classic books about him), stems from his main first non fiction opus, ‘Dianetics’, not being accepted by the psychiatric establishment. It was critiqued harshly by some in the profession & Hubbard was mortified. I think he thought that he would be lauded by them for it. They became the enemy because they didn’t accept him…

  • Heh. Poor Jimbo Wales is wondering why Wikipedia doesn’t have a tax history article.

    I’m watching Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath and got curious about the history of Scientology and their tax status with the IRS. Looking in Google under various plausible search terms and clicking around some apparently relevant Wikipedia entries, I don’t find the history cleanly laid out anywhere. I haven’t done a thorough search yet so I’m still convinced that it’s here somewhere.–Jimbo Wales (talk) 03:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_215#Scientology_tax_status_history

    Don’t cry Jimmy, I’ll do one. On my site. You can borrow it, so long as you acknowledge the source, same as Wikipedia.

  • Bluefire

    Hi, What exactly is the “HowdyCon”?

    • Qbird

      Hello Bluefire.

      HowdyCon a get together of ppl who post here…. it is informal & just for fun.

      There was a much beloved person who commented here for years.
      He went by the name Captain Howdy. Cool guy.
      He said once, anybody who wants to meet up with ppl they’ve ‘met’ on line are nuts –
      (words to that effect.)
      He passed away.
      He is very much missed even to this day.

      At any rate, a bunch of folks decided to do just that, and so they did, last year… and they are going to meet up again this year — a ‘Howdy’ Conference.
      It is a meeting of strangers in good company.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/512657ddfef622b7b24283fd16a35840c5a3c4632a155b9e5e2ebd7de5f9f872.png

  • saksin

    Hubbard’s problem with psychiatry is a double whammy: with his various psychosomatic and psychotic symptoms (he called them “somatics” and “body thetans” respectively) he was afraid to be “found out” (to be nuts) by psychiatry (his “Would you please help me?” letter in a sense gave him what Scientology calls a “missed withhold” on psychiatry – “do they know or don’t they?”). That’s one leg of the double whammy. The other is his rivalry with psychiatry: for every person helped by psychiatry, Hubbard’s market shrinks a bit, so better bad-mouth and sabotage the competition as much as possible. Applying Scientology principles to Hubbard himself is often a rewarding exercise: Hubbard nattered incessantly about psychiatry, and every Scientologist knows what nattering means (at least in their world).

    • TrishRan

      I have also always suspected that he was afraid that anyone with psychological/psychiatric training would have an easier time seeing him for the con man that he was.

  • SkyBill40

    My wife and I watched this show and this kook’s repetitive blinking, as if she were on a hallucinogenic drug and being affected by the lights, was highly annoying. It was a big enough distraction that listening to her lie deflect repeatedly became a challenge as the blinking was all we could focus on despite her lips moving.

    • TrishRan

      I was thinking that her intense blinking might actually be an intentionally-used technique to distract people and make it harder to notice her many lapses in logic.

      • SkyBill40

        Could be. We’ll never know the truth for sure.

        • TrishRan

          probably so

  • ithilien

    monique is a triple scorpio! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHUwFQBfseo

    • ithilien

      monique has personal generosity, loyalty, and fashion!

      whois paying for those cashmere shawls?

      • ithilien

        hard to believe no one, after all the posts about the blinking, is interested in taking a look into the life behind the muffins

  • OmegaPaladin

    Something I always wondered about:

    So say that we have Dr. Jane Doe. Jane is a practicing psychiatrist, and according to SCN she is an evil alien monster. When did she become the monster? When she graduated? When she decided to major in psychiatry? When she entered college? When she was still a kid?

    Now, what about researchers who study the biochemistry of the brain? Pharmaceutical manufacturers? Neurosurgeons? Are they all aliens? What about professional counselors or pastoral counselors? How do they run this thing?

    Then you have psych drugs. I sure hope SCN folks don’t ever need surgery – many anesthetics are closely related to anti-anxiety and sleeping pills, including the barbiturates (Thiopental) and benzodiazepines (Versed / Midazolam). If some SCN guy gets sent to the ER with an injury, almost all the best pain meds are opiate narcotics like morphine, and all the best fast-acting anti-convulsant medications are in the anti-anxiety groups. Getting chemotherapy for cancer? Well, home you like vomiting, because the anti-vomiting drugs are in the same group as antipsychotics (phenothiazines) One of the main drug groups for high blood pressure and numerous heart conditions, the beta blockers, are also used for anxiety. Hell, even cough medicine is a derivative of opiate narcotics that can induce hallucinations at high does.

    Psych drugs are EVERYWHERE.

    • TrishRan

      I bet just the fact that someone who is indoctrinated in COS can see “psych” professionals exist outside of church propaganda probably goes a long way to convincing that member that there really is “something” to the stories scientology tells its followers.

  • TrishRan

    I wonder if Dianetics and Scientology itself were actually a massive (over)reaction by Hubbard to protect his own ego by building up a theory and later an organization to counter his knowing, deep down, that any psych professional worth his or her salt would spot him for a lying egomaniac. Like the enormity of the effort is an expression of the enormity of his fear of being found out as a fraud.