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Five years later: Debbie Cook’s indictment of Scientology under David Miscavige, annotated

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Five years ago, a little after midnight as 2012 had just begun, we started to get emails.

Later that morning, we realized that what was happening was significant enough to write a story about it. A woman named Debbie Cook had sent her fellow Scientologists a message for the new year, and it was hitting Scientology like a tidal wave.

For 17 years, Debbie had been “Captain FSO,” the Sea Org official who ran the Flag Service Organization, the outfit that oversees Scientology’s spiritual mecca, the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida. The Captain FSO has to be a hard-as-nails Sea Org commander who runs a small army of similarly dedicated fanatics, but also serves and interacts with the wealthy “publics” who come to Flag for its high-priced counseling. And to have that position for 17 years made Debbie almost legendary. But by the end of 2011, she had been moved from that position and then had quietly left the Sea Org itself, although she was still a Scientologist in good standing. Other church members may have not seen or heard from Debbie in some time, but her name was still one that carried weight. Here’s how Jefferson Hawkins explained to us what Debbie meant to most people in the church…

For many, many years, Debbie was used as the spokesperson for the Flag Land Base. Her picture was featured prominently in every issue of “Source” Magazine, with a “Message from the Captain.” She made many, many promotional videos extolling the virtues of coming to the Flag Land Base. The Church deliberately built her up as an “opinion leader” for Scientologists. There was a lot of work that went into establishing her as a high-profile opinion leader for the top Scientologists.

And now, in a lengthy message that was forwarded to thousands of Scientologists around the world, Debbie used the words of L. Ron Hubbard to take apart David Miscavige.

Five years later, we can say that Debbie Cook’s email is one of the things new defectors from the Church of Scientology most often cite as the reason they began to take seriously the idea of leaving an organization they might have belonged to for decades, or had even grown up in. There’s just no question that Debbie Cook’s message had a devastating effect on the loyalty of many longtime Scientologists, and helped them decide to walk away.

Debbie was sued by the church for writing it, based on draconian agreements she had signed when she left her position in the Sea Org. Debbie was living in the San Antonio area at the time, and she hired a local attorney name Ray Jeffrey to represent her. We were in the courtroom that February day for a preliminary hearing, and we can tell you it was a nervous moment. According to a strict reading of the contracts Debbie had signed, Scientology could potentially convince a judge that she owed them millions of dollars for criticizing Miscavige. On Debbie’s side, Jeffrey argued that she had signed those contracts under duress after being abused in the Sea Org. And in order to prove that, he wanted to put Debbie on the witness stand. Scientology’s attorneys were against it, but Judge Martha Tanner said she wanted to hear Debbie’s testimony.

What Debbie said in the witness box was devastating. She talked about leaving her FSO post and being sent to California, where she was tasked with overseeing the imprisonment of executives in “The Hole,” Miscavige’s bizarre jail for underlings he suspected of sabotage. Before long, Debbie was thrown into The Hole as a prisoner herself, and was subjected to disturbing abuse, such as being stood up in a trash can with water poured over her while the other inmates chanted insults at her and called her a “lesbian.” After seven weeks, Debbie managed to get away from the Hole, and she was happy to sign anything to get away from the Sea Org altogether. At that point, she said on the witness stand, she would have signed a confession to killing babies if it meant getting away from that sick organization.

The press coverage of that day of testimony went national, and it was brutal. And that’s why the Church of Scientology waived the rest of the hearing and then eventually settled with Debbie for an undisclosed amount — but we’re pretty sure it was in the millions. Millions of dollars, that is, paid by Scientology in order to end the lawsuit that it had filed. We always have to remind people of that who criticize Debbie for accepting the settlement and not somehow pushing on with a lawsuit which she had not filed and which potentially had liabilities in the millions of dollars against her.

We don’t know the terms of the settlement, but they obviously included the stipulation that Debbie and her husband Wayne Baumgarten leave the country for a few years. They’re back now, in Texas, but they still won’t give interviews about their experiences, which it’s not hard to conclude is a condition of the settlement they signed.

And that’s a shame, because we’d still like to talk to Debbie about the effect her 2012 email has had on the Church of Scientology. We have a feeling that she knows what a big effect it’s had, and she could probably tell us some interesting things about what she’s heard from the people who were affected by it.

Instead, to mark this anniversary, we’re posting her lengthy email again, and with the annotations we wrote for it back in 2012, with some slight edits to update things. We hope you enjoy this examination of what Debbie wrote, and that it becomes plain why it was such a challenge to David Miscavige and his leadership of an organization that is now in serious decline.

 
DEBBIE COOK’S NEW YEAR’S 2012 MESSAGE TO SCIENTOLOGISTS, ANNOTATED

 

Dear Friend, I am emailing you as a friend and fellow Scientologist. As we enter a new year, it is hoped that 2012 can be a year of great dissemination and a year of real progress up The Bridge for all Scientologists.

As we explained in our introduction to Scientology, church members are encouraged to take courses and do counseling (“auditing”) so they can complete ever more expensive and esoteric levels of Scientology understanding. This process is know as “The Bridge,” so Debbie is wishing her fellow church members a year of successful advancement.

Although I am not in the Sea Org right now, I served in the Sea Org at Flag for 29 years. 17 of those years were as Captain FSO. I am a trained auditor and C/S as well as an OEC, FEBC and DSEC.

As we wrote earlier, Cook enjoyed a storied career as the captain of the Flag Service Organization, which made her CEO, essentially, of Scientology’s spiritual mecca in Clearwater, Florida. Such positions are only held by executives in the “Sea Organization,” Scientology’s hardcore elite corps that requires its workers to sign billion-year contracts and promise to come back, lifetime after lifetime, and dedicate themselves utterly. Along the way to becoming the commanding officer at Flag, Debbie had become a “case supervisor” (C/S), which means that she was qualified to oversee how auditors handled individual cases. She had also completed work in various executive training packages — the Organization Executive Course (OEC), Flag Executive Briefing Course (FEBC), and the Data Series Evaluator Course (DSEC). In other words, Debbie Cook was trained to the gills, had an illustrious past as an almost legendary executive at Flag, and had immense authority for the average Scientologist who might be receiving this e-mail.

I am completely dedicated to the technology of Dianetics and Scientology and the works of LRH. I have seen some of the most stunning and miraculous results in the application of LRH technology and I absolutely know it is worth fighting to keep it pure and unadulterated.

My husband and I are in good standing and we are not connected with anyone who is not in good standing. We have steadfastly refused to speak to any media, even though many have contacted us.

But I do have some very serious concerns about out-KSW that I see permeating the Scientology religion.

Another key concept to understand is that to Scientologists, L. Ron Hubbard — who died in 1986 — is still the one and only “Source” for their “technology.” When current church leader David Miscavige in 2007 put out a new set of Hubbard’s books — The Basics — it was based on the notion that Miscavige had found transcription errors that occurred when Hubbard was publishing the books in the 1950s. In other words, these new editions were even more “pure” and “unadulterated.” In her message, Cook is stressing that she too cares about Hubbard’s original words and ideas, but she lets on now that she sees a problem with the current church, that it is not following Hubbard’s program to “Keeping Scientology Working,” and that as a result the church is permeated with “out-KSW” activity.

I have the utmost respect for the thousands of dedicated Scientologists and Sea Org members. Together, we have come through everything this world could throw at us and have some real impingement on the world around us. I am proud of our accomplishments and I know you are too.However there is no question that this new age of continuous fundraising is not our finest moment.

The timing of Cook’s e-mail, New Year’s Eve, was calculated for maximum effect. Not only does a lot of fundraising go on at New Year’s Eve events put on by Scientology but in November, the St. Petersburg Times published a devastating expose about the church’s current obsession with raising money from its members. And unlike previous exposes about the church’s high management, this was a series that revealed what just about every Scientologist is currently struggling with — management’s mania for donations.

LRH says in HCO PL 9 Jan 51, An Essay on Management,

“drop no curtains between the organization and the public about anything.” – LRH

Based on this policy I am communicating to you about some situations that we need to do something about within our religion, within our group.

LRH — L. Ron Hubbard — wrote not only many books that Scientologists use, but also thousands of “policy letters” that spell out every facet of Scientology’s processes, staffing, internal justice, and administration. Cook brilliantly relies on direct quotations of Hubbard’s words to make her arguments in this e-mail. It’s not just Debbie Cook who has a problem with the way Scientology is going today — it’s LRH himself who would be appalled. That’s an extremely powerful argument for a group of people who consider Hubbard almost a god.

Actions that are either not covered in policy or directly violate LRH policy and tech include the extreme over-regging and fund-raising activities that have become so much a part of nearly every Sea Org org and Class V org as well as every “OT Committee”. This fundraising is not covered anywhere in LRH policy.

In Scientology parlance, it’s a “registrar” whose job it is to convince church members to give more money for services and for donations. (Particularly since the publication of The Basics books, however, many more executives and ordinary workers have been expected to help out with sales and fundraising. “The role model of Scientologists is supposed to be the auditor. But auditors have been turned into fundraisers,” says ex-Sea Org member Chuck Beatty.) The act of asking for donations has become known as “regging,” and here Debbie complains about “over-regging.” At individual “orgs” — churches — volunteer OTs (high-ranking church members) in “OT Committees” are also raising money for new buildings.

Hardworking Sea Org members and the dedicated staff of orgs around the world aren’t choosing to do these actions. Nor are the OTs. I am sure they would be more than happy if they could just get on with direct dissemination of Scientology as they have done for so many years.

But the truth is that this is being driven from the very highest echelons within the Scientology structure and clearly there is a lot of pressure to make targets that are being set.

By feeding on their own — subjecting Scientologists to constant fundraising — the church isn’t spending enough time bringing in new people — “disseminating” Scientology. As we wrote last year, there’s good evidence that the church is shrinking. There may be no more than about 40,000 active Scientologists around the world, and not the 10 million members that the church claims. [And five years later, that number is reportedly much smaller yet.]

The IAS: The [International Association of Scientologists] was created unbeknownst to LRH in 1984 by Marc Yager and David Miscavige. This was supposed to be based on LRH policies on the subject of membership and the HASI, however the IAS is nothing like the membership system described by LRH which only has two memberships and is covered in HCO PL 22 March 1965 “Current Promotion and Org Program Summary, Membership Rundown” and states:

“There are two memberships…” – LRH

“She’s absolutely correct. In 1983, I was in the room doing my own project when I witnessed the executives of the CMO Int fire the project to start the IAS,” says Chuck Beatty, a former Sea Org member who is today a sort of unofficial church historian. “They didn’t bother Hubbard with the details of what they were doing.”

Beatty says the IAS was formed as a way to raise funds to help Scientology fight its legal battles, and to do so with a non-profit organization.

“One of its purposes was to sidestep the IRS,” Beatty says, reminding us that in 1983, Scientology did not have tax exempt status (that came in 1993). The executives who started the IAS wanted to take church member donations to create a war chest for Scientology’s battles, Beatty says.

LRH lists there the INTERNATIONAL ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP and gives its cost at 10 pounds sterling or $30 US. He also lists a LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP which is priced at $75 US. There are no other memberships or statuses approved or known to LRH.

Furthermore, membership monies are supposed to go directly to the org where the membership is signed up, and the money used for dissemination by that org, in that area.

This is covered in HCOPL 1 Sept 1965R Membership Policies.

“It all goes into the HCO Book Account in the area where the membership is brought and is not part of the organization’s weekly gross income. Membership monies go to dissemination.” – LRH

Currently membership monies are held as Int reserves and have grown to well in excess of a billion dollars. Only a tiny fraction has ever been spent, in violation of the policy above. Only the interest earned from the holdings have been used very sparingly to fund projects through grants. In fact many of the activities you see at IAS events are not actually funded by the IAS, but rather by the Scientologists involved.

Cook’s assertion that Miscavige and the church have amassed a billion dollars in cash reserves has been one of the most-talked about things in her e-mail. Can Scientology really have so much at its disposal? Well, let’s look at what we know.

Just a little more than a month ago, the St. Petersburg Times (now Tampa Bay Times) published its latest blockbuster expose of the church, focusing on how much Scientology has become about fundraising. Journalists Joe Childs and Tom Tobin provided these eye-opening numbers:

“Scientology rings up astonishing sums: $100 million a year just from services sold in Clearwater, a minimum of $250 million since 2006 for the International Association of Scientologists, tens of millions for new church buildings called Ideal Orgs, and untold millions more from selling new volumes of church scripture.”

Our own sources suggest that the St. Pete Times may actually have been conservative in its estimates. Revenue for services at Flag over the last six years has averaged $138 million a year, we’re told, and The Basics — a republication of key Hubbard books which was launched in 2007 — has brought in hundreds of millions more.

But Beatty tells me that Hubbard himself wanted the church to have a lot of cash on hand.

“Hubbard did want the church to amass a big reserve,” he says. “His instruction was that we needed to have enough so that the church could keep going for five years, even if every dime in revenue was cut off. That was our target.”

Cook, however, complains that even with all the money on hand, it isn’t being spent the way Hubbard wanted it to be used…

Think about it, how many ads disseminating Scientology, Dianetics or any Scn affiliated programs have you seen on TV? Heard on the radio? Seen in newspapers? I haven’t seen one in the 4 years I have lived in San Antonio, Texas, the 7th largest city in the US. How many have you seen?

Debbie Cook may have not seen many ads, but our own experience is different. On the Internet, at least, Scientology ads seem ubiquitous. And they show up in places like Hulu, where they get wide exposure.

Beatty acknowledged that Cook might simply not be familiar with the Internet enough to know how much Scientology advertises there. On the other hand, he points out, Scientology doesn’t do the kind of massive television campaigns that it did under the leadership of marketing executive Jefferson Hawkins in the 1980s. [We noticed a huge increase in online and television advertising by Scientology shortly after Debbie’s email came out, suggesting that this criticism had hit home. Scientology’s huge expenditures on advertising have continued over the last five years.]

Donating anything more than a lifetime membership to the IAS is not based on LRH policy. The article “What Your Donations Buy” (The Auditor, The Monthly Journal of Scientology No. 51, 1970) is clearly talking about how the church uses your donations for Dianetics and Scientology services. Next time you are asked to donate outside of services, realize that you are engaged in fundraising and ask to see something in writing from L. Ron Hubbard that this is something he expects from you as a Scientologist.

Now we get to the really difficult part of the e-mail for her fellow church members. They are at this point being asked to think for themselves and to speak up rather than simply accept what they are told by church officials.

As Jason Beghe explained to us the other day, this is a radical suggestion for devoted church members. Beghe is a veteran actor of films and television series, and in the 1990s he was a celebrated member of Scientology. In 2008, he announced his defection from the church and has been criticizing it ever since.

“I know it’s hard to understand how someone can be so dense. But you’re in a trance. When someone of this magnitude speaks up, it has an effect,” Beghe told us.

“These people cannot think for themselves, which is ironic, because they’re told when they get into Scientology that they’ll be trained to do exactly that,” he said. “At some point they’re going to wake up. Hopefully.”

New Org Buildings: LRH also never directed the purchase of opulent buildings or the posh renovations or furnishings for every org.

In fact, if you read HCO PL 12 March 75 Issue II, “The Ideal Org”, which is what this program has been called, and nowhere in it will you find 20 million dollar buildings or even any reference to the poshness of org premises at all as part of LRH’s description of an “Ideal Org”. Instead, an Ideal Org was one that delivered and moved people up The Bridge – something that is not part of this “Ideal Org” program.

LRH says in the PL that an Ideal Org:

“would be clean and attractive enough not to repel its public” – LRH.

This is all it says about the state of the building.

Beatty says this is a devastating critique by Cook. For the last decade, Scientologists have been under incredible pressure to raise money for lavish new buildings to replace their current orgs — many of which are not full at all, and really don’t need replacing.

Beatty explains that Cook is showing that Hubbard’s idea of an “Ideal Org” was based on what it produced — not what it looked like.

“Hubbard would have removed Miscavige for that alone. He basically knocked out Hubbard’s final, long-range plans for the movement,” Beatty says. “Hubbard wanted ‘Saint Hill Sized’ organizations. He never pushed for the Ideal Orgs.”

Beatty is referring to the legendary status of Saint Hill Manor — Hubbard’s UK home — which in the 1960s was known for its bustling productivity as it trained auditors and moved church members up the “Bridge.” Ever since, orgs have been measured by whether they are “Saint Hill Sized” (although what, exactly, makes an org Saint Hill Sized seems to be something of an elusive set of criteria).

Cook is charging that Miscavige has thrown out Hubbard’s plan — to produce more busy, bustling and at least clean, if utilitarian, facilities — and has replaced it with a worldwide real estate buying binge for large, opulent buildings that have largely been sitting empty. Members, meanwhile, are constantly hit up for cash for these projects.

As a result of this off-policy alteration of the Ideal Org PL, we have the majority of top OTs, now deemed “OT Ambassadors”, heavily engaged in fund-raising activities that include “bingo”, “pirate dinners”, “knitting classes”, “hay rides”, and many other activities strictly revolving around raising funds for the required multi-millions of dollars to fund their “Ideal Org”. As part of this, people around every org are now asked to donate to their local “Ideal Org” instead of their own services or their own Bridge.

LRH says in HCO PL Org Ethics and Tech:

“GET RID OF DISTRACTIONS FROM SCIENTOLOGY in your org. Baby-sitting or raffle tickets and such nonsense.” – LRH

Cook really hits home on this one. As we saw last year, not only does David Miscavige have Scientologists around the world participating in extremely embarrassing rituals to convince each other to give until it hurts, Miscavige himself seems to take humor in watching his followers engage in such silliness.

In 2011, we published a video which shows Miscavige describing European Scientologists putting on those “pirate dinners” and similar mummery, and noted the way Miscavige described it, his voice dripping with derision.

Yet these distractions are rampant as they are being used as fund-raisers to get money for the huge quotas being issued to fund the “Ideal Org”.

“If the org slumps… don’t engage in ‘fund-raising’ or ‘selling postcards’ or borrowing money.

Just make more income with Scientology. It’s a sign of very poor management to seek extraordinary solutions for finance outside Scientology. It has always failed.”

“For orgs as for pcs, ‘Solve It With Scientology’.

“Every time I myself have sought to solve financial or personnel in other ways than Scientology I have lost out. So I can tell you from experience that org solvency lies in more Scientology, not patented combs or fund-raising barbeques.”

HCO PL 24 February 1964, Issue II, Org Programming, (OEC Vol. 7, p. 930)

The point is that Scientologists and OT’s need to be training, auditing and disseminating to raw public- not regging each other or holding internal fundraisers.

Many ex-Scientologists tell us that what started their disaffection with the church was the way they tended to get hung up on their journey “up the bridge.” They might get stuck on a particular level for years, spending large amounts of money for auditing but never getting “gains” or “wins.”

The constant focus on donations only exacerbates that situation, as members find that they can’t advance when all of their money is going to things like the IAS or new buildings. For many current church members, then, Cook’s admonition here — that such fundraising is stunting their own spiritual advancement — will likely strike a chord.

Out Tech: Over the last few years we have seen literally hundreds and hundreds of people who were validated as clear using the CCRD as developed by LRH now being told they are not Clear. This included hundreds of OTs who were then put onto NED as a “handling”. LRH clearly forbid any Dianetics to be run on OTs in HCOB “Dianetics Forbidden on OTs”. This is out tech. This entire technical “handling” was directed personally by COB RTC and was done on thousands of OTs. But it was based not on an LRH HCO Bulletin, but rather based on a single C/S instruction where LRH C/Sed one pre-OT who had not achieved the state of clear but was mid OT III and not making it. LRH directed a solo handling that the pre-OT was to do to get himself to achieve the state of Clear. This LRH C/S taken out of context was then used to implement a technical handling that was in direct violation of an LRH HCOB.

That’s a mouthful of Scientology jargon about upper-level teachings (“NED” is New Era Dianetics, “OT III” is Operating Thetan Level Three, etc.), but Beatty helped me understand what it all comes down to:

“She’s giving an example of Miscavige taking a single comment by Hubbard in regards to a single person’s case and applying it to the entire movement as a policy, with tremendously harmful results,” Beatty says. The upshot was that many, many longtime, highly trained Scientologists were told that their training had been faulty and they were expected to redo levels that had cost them tens of thousands of dollars. Famous defectors such as Tory Christman and Jason Beghe say it was this order to redo levels that caused them to question Miscavige and the church.

This and other “technical handlings” done on Solo NOTs auditors created great expense and hardship on Solo NOTs auditors around the world as they were made to do these handlings to continue on the level.

Beatty gave us this description for Solo New Era Dianetics for OTs (Solo NOTs): “It’s high volume solo exorcism,” he says.

Then there are the “fast grades at Flag” that no other org has. How can it be that Flag has been delivering grades differently to the rest of the world for the last 3 years? Whatever the problem is, the fact is that having “fast Grades” at Flag creates a hidden data line and is a HIGH CRIME and the subject of an entire policy letter called HCOPL “TECH DEGRADES” which LRH has placed at the start of every Scientology course.

More recently the fad seems to be that nearly everyone needs to “re-do their Purif and do a long objectives program”, including many OTs mid Solo NOTs.

There is nothing wrong with doing objectives, but it is a clear violation of HCOB ‘MIXING RUNDOWNS AND REPAIRS” to have a person mid a rundown or OT level be taken off it and placed on an objectives program.

Solo NOTs auditors are also being made to get their objectives from a Class IX auditor at great expense as they are not being allowed to co-audit.

Flag has made many millions of dollars on the above listed out tech handlings because OTs mid Solo NOTs are forced to get these out-tech actions to be able to get back onto and stay on the level and complete it. Not to mention the spiritual effects of the out tech that this has on each OT.

I myself was subject to these out tech “handlings”, including extensive FPRD mid Solo NOTs. It took its toll in many ways, including physical situations I am still dealing with today. So I have some reality of the hardship caused.

We’re just going to have to take Debbie Cook’s word for it that the standard way of becoming an exteriorizing superhuman intergalactic shaman is being screwed up on many different levels, and we can only assume this would outrage your typical Hubbardite.

LRH Command Structure: LRH left us with a complex and balanced command structure, with our orgs led by the Office of ED International. This office was considered so important that LRH created a special management group called the Watch Dog Committee whose only purpose was to see that this office and the other needed layers of management existed. LRH ED 339R speaks of this extensively as the protection for our Church. But these people are missing. And not just some. As of just a few years ago there were no members of the office of ED Int on post, not to mention top execs throughout the International Management structure.

We’re getting back to something interesting here. As we wrote earlier, Cook experienced the vacuum of leadership that occurred in the mid-2000s as David Miscavige purged nearly every high-ranking official around him and sent them to “The Hole,” a hellish sort of prison at Scientology’s secretive desert base in Southern California (imagine getting locked up at your office with your co-workers for a couple of years, and only being able to leave when you are marched out and ordered to jump in a lake together, and you get some idea).

“Her point is absolutely valid,” Beatty tells us. “The top two councils of the movement have been decimated by Miscavige — the Watchdog Committee and Executive Strata.”

If Hubbard had intended that there would be some measure of checks and balances among the many entities he was leaving behind, instead Miscavige has either driven off or disappeared his many top executives at “Int base” in California, including Heber Jentzsch, who is still nominally the “president” of the Church of Scientology, International, but has not been heard from in years.

You may have also wondered… where is Heber, the President of the Church? What about Ray Mitthoff, Senior C/S International, the one that LRH personally turned over the upper OT Levels to? How about Norman Starkey, LRH’s Trustee? What happened to Guillaume – Executive Director International? And Marc Yeager, the WDC Chairman? What happened to the other International Management executives that you have seen at events over the years?

The truth is that I spent weeks working in the empty International Management building at Int. Empty because everyone had been removed from post. When I first went up lines I was briefed extensively by David Miscavige about how bad all of them were and how they had done many things that were all very discreditable. This seemed to “explain” the fact that the entirety of the Watchdog Committee no longer existed. The entirety of the Executive Strata, which consisted of ED International and 11 other top International executives that were the top executives in their particular fields, no longer existed. That the Commodore’s Messenger Org International no longer existed. All of these key command structures of Scientology International, put there by LRH, had been removed.

There were hundreds and hundreds of unanswered letters and requests for help from org staff, written based on LRH ED 339R where LRH says that staff can write to these top executives in the Exec Strata for help. But this is not possible if all these execs have been removed and no one is there to help them or to get evaluations and programming done to expand Scientology.

Well, after that I got to spend some quality time with Heber, Ray Mithoff, Norman Starkey, Guillaume, as well as the entirety of International Management at the time, who were all off post and doing very long and harsh ethics programs. These have gone on for years and to the only result of that they are still off post. There is no denying that these top executives have all gradually disappeared from the scene. You don’t see them at the big events anymore or on the ship at Maiden Voyage.

“Quality time,” heh. Cook is being exceedingly cheeky here. The recipients of her e-mail may be so sheltered that they don’t realize that Cook herself was put in “The Hole” in 2007, which is why she got to spend time with Jentzsch and other executives doing time in Miscavige’s prison. As we reported earlier, Cook herself is said to have gone through a harrowing, and homophobic, hazing:

“For the next twelve hours Debbie was made to stand in a large garbage can and face one hundred people screaming at her demanding a confession as to her ‘homosexual tendencies’. While this was going on, water was poured over her head. Signs were put around Debbie’s neck, one marked in magic marker ‘LESBO’ while this torture proceeded. Debbie was repeatedly slapped across the face by other women in the room during the interrogation. Debbie never did break.”

A year after that incident, Debbie was no longer in the Sea Org or a staff member of the church. She claims to have remained in good standing as a public member of the church, but now that she has sent out this e-mail, that will likely change.

David Miscavige has now become the “leader” of the Scientology religion. Yet what LRH left behind was a huge structure to properly manage all aspects of 
the Scientology religion. He put a complete and brilliant organizational structure there, not one individual. There never was supposed to be a “leader” other than LRH himself as the goal maker for our group.

There is a situation here and even if you have not been to the International Management Base you should be able to see that over regging and frequent tech changes are not OK and you have a responsibility to do something to Keep Scientology Working. You should be able to find and read the references on membership in OEC Volume 6. Find and read the HCO PL entitled “The Ideal Org” (Data Series 40). Find and read the references on org buildings, including HCO PL 24 Aug 65 II, Cleanliness of Quarters and Staff, Improve our Image. Also, HCO PL 17 June 69, The Org Image.

If you don’t want to make waves or put yourself in danger of being taken off the level or denied eligibility, then there are some simple things you can do. First and foremost, withdraw your support from off policy actions. Stop donating to anything other than your own services and actual Bridge progress. Simply demand to see an LRH reference that says you are required to make other such donations. No one will be able to produce any references because there aren’t any.

Again, Cook returns to the radical notion that Scientologists stand up to management. How is that working? Well, here’s an example of what we saw on Facebook as recipients of this e-mail reacted to its ideas…

“It is an email that maliciously mixes truths and LRH references with half-truths, un-truths and disaffection,” wrote a European Scientologist who sent out a warning to her friends. She then indicated that she had notified the church’s Office of Special Affairs — its intelligence and covert operations wing — and said she was willing to help anyone who need “dead agenting material” about Cook. In other words, slander that could be used to convince Scientologists that Cook was not to be trusted.

Cook clearly has an uphill battle on her hands.

Stop supporting any of the activities that are being done to forward off-policy fund-raising in your area.

LRH says what he expects of a Scientologist – that is what he expects you to do. In fact he put it in HCOB 10 June 1960 Issue I, Keeping Scientology Working Series 33, WHAT WE EXPECT OF A SCIENTOLOGIST. Read it and follow it.

The other thing you can do is to send this email to as many others as you can, even if you do it anonymously.

Please keep this email among us, the Scientologists. The media have no place in this. You may wonder why I have not written a KR and gone about my business. The answer is, I have. But there is no longer anyone to send that KR to.

Cook was apparently pretty naive about the Internet. Within minutes of her thousands of copies of this email going out, it was being fed to reporters.

But you can and should write reports and bring off-policy to the attention of local org executives and local Sea org members.

We are a strong and powerful group and we can affect a change. We have weathered many storms. I am sorry that I am the one telling you, but a new storm is upon us. It’s waves are already in the media and the world around us.

The truth is that as a Scientologist you are more able, more perceptive and have a higher integrity. Scientology is supposed to allow you to “think for yourself” and never compromise your own integrity. And most certainly LRH held every Scientologist responsible to KEEP SCIENTOLOGY WORKING.

As we reported earlier, Cook’s own background contains some less than ideal behavior, particularly in the way she participated in the fundraising she now decries. But several prominent ex-Scientologists all said that Cook would only have been following directions, and that she actually has enormous personal integrity.

I am not trying to do anything other than affect a change in serious off policy actions occurring. My husband and I have most of our family and many many good friends who are Scientologists. I have not been real interested in sticking my neck out like this.

However, I also know that I dedicated my entire adult life to supporting LRH and the application of LRH technology and if I ever had to look LRH in the eye I wouldn’t be able to say I did everything I could to Keep Scientology Working if I didn’t do something about it now.

We all have a stake in this. It is simply not possible to read the LRH references and not see the alterations and violations that are currently occurring.

You have a very simple obligation to LRH. Don’t participate in anything off policy, and let others know they should not either. If every person who reads this email does nothing more than step back from off-policy actions we would have changed direction. If we took all that energy and directed it into auditing, training and raw public dissemination, we would be winning.

And that is what I wish for you and all of us as we ring in this new year.

ARC,

Debbie Cook

“ARC” — affinity, reality, communication” — is a standard sign-off for Scientologists, a reference to a bedrock concept by Hubbard that church members use to express warmth for each other. To the end, Debbie is trying her best to reach out to her fellow Scientologists as a Scientologist. Her program is not to criticize Hubbard or Scientology itself, only the leadership of Miscavige and the way he has consolidated power and has worn down his followers with all of the money-grubbing.

We hope these annotations have helped readers understand what Cook intended, and can see now how it might be an enormously effective message for Scientologists who are exhausted by the fundraising, stuck on their journeys up the Bridge, and are doubting the diminutive man at the top of the organization.

[And now, five years later, we’d like to hear how Debbie’s email affected you, whether you were still in Scientology at the time, or you were watching from the outside. And Happy New Year!]

 
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HowdyCon2017

Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • Bo

    I should know the answer to this, but don’t. Was that the last time scientology initiated a lawsuit? I googled it, but couldn’t find anything specific.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • Kestrel

      Scientology: Where you hand over all your money and you still get hurt.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Yes, the only way to control people is to lie to them.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          And beat them, Sir?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Well, yes. The only way to control people is to lie to them and beat them.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              And threaten with disconnection?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              The only way to control people is to lie to them, beat them, threaten them with disconnection, and give them trophies.

              Have we missed anything?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I think that covers it. Well done, Sir.

            • Kestrel

              Let’s ask Heber and Shelly.

            • salin

              Drain their Bank accounts – current and future.

            • Mark Foster

              Yes, thatΒ΄s the R2-38 asset exteriorization process I mentioned above under the photo of Dismal Miscreant with his pistol…

            • mockingbird

              All funds past, present and future must be stably exterior with full retention by David Miscavige !

            • Mark Foster

              Correct. FULLY exterior from the source, completely interiorized and then quickly ¨not-ised¨ by the receipt-point, His Royal Whole Track Holiness, The Pompadoured Purloining Punching Putrid Pontiff of Teegeeack and Space Station 33, Dickless Muppet.

            • mockingbird

              WOW ! That’s some immense alliteration !

            • ze moo

              How would you like to go into the ‘as seen on TV’ commercial world? It pays better than $cientology and you get all your food finely diced.

            • salin

              Pistol whipping, scieno style.

            • mockingbird

              Always clear the bank accounts !

            • gtsix

              Aha, someone call Beghe, we CAN show him a motherfucking clear!

            • mockingbird

              A clear bank account. Now who looks silly ?

            • ze moo

              Beghe had one of those.

            • mockingbird

              Empirical evidence established !

            • stillgrace2

              Take away their eternity?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              You have forced our hand; we must now use deadly Ninja semicolons:

              The only way to control people is to lie to them; beat them; threaten them with disconnection; threaten to take away their eternity; threaten to use their pc folder data against them; fair game them; build hate websites on them; and give them trophies.

            • Observer

              SUPPRESSIVE!

            • MarcabExpat

              And then make them go to the back of the line and do it all over again.

            • mockingbird

              And pay at least another quarter million dollars to do it ! Now that’s Scientological !

            • mockingbird

              Don’t forget ruin utterly, find or manufacture evidence, cheat, rob and dispose of quietly and without sorrow..and R2-45, shoot your enemies, run reverse processes as black Dianetics, chain locker for kids, forced abortions, human trafficking, RPF, truth rundown, musical chairs, put them in a trashcan and call them lesbo, steal their child, pretend to have cut up their child, commit bigamy, commit adultery, …what have I left out ?

            • Kestrel

              Embellish your past?

            • mockingbird

              That’s TR L and good old manufacture evidence ! It’s so ecclesiastical !

            • stillgrace2

              drive you utterly insane and cause your brain to crack audibly?

            • mockingbird

              Nice, like Cypress Hill and Insane in the Brain !

            • mockingbird

              Can Sump pump out a new show – doing your A through on A & E !?

            • ze moo

              That rhymes too much to be possible.

            • mockingbird

              I want it so bad.

            • Qbird

              He DID say that! About the lying… I was told a while back [by a ‘squirrel’] that it wasn’t him, it was someone else who wrote that…
              but ~ @ 2:20 ~ there it is.
              https://youtu.be/n7hcIYEHZCo

            • mockingbird

              I think we need more lying…

            • Observer

              In that order.

            • mockingbird

              No wonder Scientology cult leader David Miscavige is exhausted – destroying thousands of families and individuals is a lot of work !

            • mockingbird

              You lied about not beating them…

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              We had to lie about not beating people in order to maintain Scientology’s good PR.

            • mockingbird

              Ha ha. Great PR you got going there.

      • Qbird

        You ever listen to Greg & Debra Barnes’ story, Kestrel?
        holee molee. What you say here is true.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        And hand over your freedom, your time, your friends and loved ones, your business contacts, your privacy, your dignity and for many your sanity.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      CICS Scientologists and wog Jokers & Degraders carry on and act like aggressive IAS fundraising is strong arm robbery. But it’s not. It’s just that we in Scientology need endless supplies of money to fund our overheated global expansion as billions of people daily clamor for Scientology.

      In happier news, Scientology Media Productions is releasing a digitally remastered vinyl edition of The Best of John Travolta. “Let Her In,” says Travolta.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/55dd35fe0ba8accabd21240f47356d79ffa9c60e918d3074111b6423bfc989c0.jpg

      • salin

        Damn – so *that’s* what is accelerating global warming. The heating up of global expansion with the hot air of Scientology.

        • Mark Foster

          Plus all of that ass gas from Hubtard circling Arcturus…

          • ze moo

            Neptune and Uranus (no jokes about the name please) are largely composed of methane, a ‘natural’ gas. If you could supply enough oxygen, you could get them to burn.

            • What’s funny about Neptune?

            • Kestrel

              Thank you,

            • gtsix

              He’s tone deaf?

          • mockingbird

            Remember how hot he got in the Van Allen belts and dodging locomotives on Venus ? He wanted to show a girl his pe— !

          • April

            Dammit, Mark! You owe me for another keyboard.

      • Observer

        Gah! He’s got a really irritating singing voice.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          How can anyone not like Cap’n & Tennille and John Travolta?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c_BIvI9NTI

          • Observer

            You in RTC are bone-chillingly evil.

          • April

            I was wondering why Toni Tennille has such a southern accent here. Looked her up on Wikipedia, and sure enough, she’s from Montgomery, Alabama.

            I loved Cap’n & Tennille when I was a kid in the 70’s. Such a campy era. I miss it.

        • salin

          Made me go look – and now that I saw it… I have to inflict it on others. Starts at about 1:03. Only takes a few long seconds to get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFM4Zx2JNU

          • Observer

            Nope nope nope. I suffered through it in high school and I’m not gonna do it again.

            • salin

              I had forgotten how ghastly bad it is.

            • Observer

              It’s haunted me for decades

            • salin

              thankfully I completely forgot it… all I could think of (and mix up for maybe having been Travolta) was (same era) Rex Smith’s ‘You Take My Breath Away” – which always cracked me up because he would sing that line and then gasp for air to breathe before singing the next line.

            • MarcabExpat

              Ugh. I don’t remember Rex Smith’s voice, but I do remember that godawful hair.

              (You are not allowed to reply with a Rex Smith song.)

            • salin

              Notice I just mentioned it – I didn’t post the video I found to see if my memory of the gasping for air as he sang was a real memory or distorted over time. One mind-bendingly bad 70s teenybopper song/video was as much audiovisual damage that I could inflict on the bunker tonight. πŸ˜€

            • beauty for ashes
            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Auditing can help you.

            • ze moo

              Can auditing cure earworms? Wait, that song is not an earworm, it’s manufactured ear torture.

              Now I know why Lron wanted Sarge to electrocute him.

          • Kestrel

            And I thought “It’s a Small World” was the song that would send me over the edge.

          • MarcabExpat

            OMG you are a sadist.

          • Qbird

            Vinnie! There’s a lotta vinnie going on in the area.

          • ReallyMGM

            I remember this. I was a “Welcome Back Kotter” (he was so stupid) and “Saturday Night Fever” fan. But not this travesty. Made my ears bleed. I never liked him after first SNF movie.

            ETA: Change that. I thought “Pulp Fiction” was brilliant. I will never forget his needle scene. My husband screamed like a girl and it scared my daughter away from hard stuff. LOL

      • beauty for ashes

        Aww he was soooo pretty!

      • ze moo

        Paul McCartney did it better. Now, who would you rather see at your door, Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons or $cienoes?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re61B8sKQWk

        • salin

          Pastafarians.

          • ze moo

            With hot take out in a bag. I’ll supply the Parmesan….

        • gtsix

          Pizza delivery.

          • ze moo

            Even Domino’s?

            • gtsix

              That is not pizza!

            • ze moo

              The ‘pizza’ chain, not the little wooden tiles with dots on them.

            • gtsix

              Neither of those are pizza.

            • ze moo

              I see you’ve chewed on both of them.

            • gtsix

              I try not to judge without sampling. The game pieces have more flavour.

        • Qbird

          none of the above, please.

        • MarcabExpat

          Mormons, by a country mile. Scilons are aggressive and dangerous, and JWs are just dull. But if you invite a pair of polite, bouncy Mormon missionaries in for a glass of lemonade and you are armed with a well-thumbed copy of the Pearl of Great Price, you can have yourself a delightful afternoon of entertainment.

          (OK I am a little weird.)

          • April

            I was painting a bookshelf in my driveway late one summer afternoon when two young Mormon missionaries happened by. They offered to help me paint the bookshelf so that I’d be sure to finish before nightfall. I can’t imagine a CO$ sea orgre or JW doing that.

            • MarcabExpat

              These people will give you the cake off their plate even if they think you’re laughing at them. They are absolutely sincere and sincerely openhearted. I’ve always wanted to go to the Hill Cumorah Pageant and plunk myself down in the grass in the middle of them to see the spectacle in the crowd. I wouldn’t heckle or be impolite, no, I’d share my sandwiches!

              In other news, I once got to take the big Temple Tour they offer when a new temple has been completed but not yet consecrated. I was an Episcopalian college student and our campus priest piled a dozen of us into a van for the 90-minute trip, saying, “you’ll never see anything like this again.” Father Bob was right. That was an eye-opener.

            • ReallyMGM

              When our home was destroyed by a tornado, the Mormon men showed up the next morning with chainsaws to help us cut trees on our property. We paid them with 3/4 of the wood they cut because they wouldn’t take a dime and they reluctantly took that. My Mormon friends have never prostelyzed to me. JW have always been respectful when I put a note on the door to not knock or ring doorbell when a child or baby has been sleeping. Some Southern Baptist have been very in my face, but some are not and were very kind after our home was destroyed with no prostetyzing. They are all independently owned so have independent cultures, I think. the one that helped was full of more liberal thinkers such as university professors and such.

            • MarcabExpat

              Agreed.

              Southern Baptists used to be pretty cool in a lot of ways (as well as liberal, believe it or not). In the 1970s there was a sort of conservative coup in the conference leadership (sounds dramatic, but that’s pretty much what happened) and since then many of the congregations have lost that “love they neighbor” feeling. My SB grandmother was a proud feminist, but you wouldn’t find that sort of person in charge in her congregation today. Really sad.

            • ReallyMGM

              My Mormon friends help me quilt. My Baptist friends when I moved went on and on trying to convert me and consequently are acquaintances now. I say “Hi” and move on.

    • Mark Foster

      Ah, the release of the New Wallet Exteriorization Rundown, R2-38!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        The New Wallet Exteriorization Rundown, R2-38, is guaranteed to increase Org GI by 3000% or more when applied standardly. When flashback is encountered, the pistol whip assist is used.

        • Mark Foster

          But, wait! More lost tech has been uncovered! The choke-hold assist yields those last few coins that the selectee was holding on to. Additionally,for the truly recalcitrant dbΒ΄s, the pistol proctology probe is utilized.

  • Kathleen Willhite

    http://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/1016028/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath-1×07-enemies-of-the-church

    Mark your calendar for January 10th. I predict Tony Ortega, Mark Bunker and John Sweeney are going to be hanging out with Mike and Leah.

    Enemies of the Church

    After Leah receives a letter from the church accusing her of provoking hate crimes, she meets with the young man whom the church says she incited; Mike asks Leah to sit down with journalists who have been hounded by the church for their reporting.

    Episode Info
    Show: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath
    Number: Season 1, Episode 7
    Airdate: Jan 10, 2017 at 22:00

    • We won’t miss it. In fact we’ll be there for the beginning of the John Sweeney interview.

      • stillgrace2

        ISWYDT … funny man.

        • Clever. You know your Bunker & Scieno history.

    • HillieOnTheBeach
      • beauty for ashes

        Adorbs!!!!!!!! It looks like they are doing TRs but their ARC is so high they are about to flunk into a gigglefest. either that or they are practicing “smizing”

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Add to that Rinder’s exhausted and gaunt appearance at the time of the Panorama documentary. I think the next best evidence for cult exhaustion is Marc Yager & Jenny Linson at the airport when they were there to harass Rathbun.

          • April

            Mike Rinder looked like walking death before he blew the CO$. So glad that he’s out, (apparently) healthy and happy, and making a difference in bringing the CO$’s unethical behavior to light.

            • Joe

              Yeah, the malnourishment and exhaustion are very apparent.

      • Kathleen Willhite

        Put a horse head on Tommy and this would be a great poster!

    • Ruby

      I would LOVE for A&E to do a preview question/answer with Leah, Rinder and Sweeney on the Monday night before this episode airs. (Like they did that other Monday night.)
      Attention A&E…I bet your ratings would go even more though the roof…hint hint.

      • Kathleen Willhite

        I agree, another Q&A would be awesome. Karen de la Carriere hinted that there will be more than just the 8 episodes plus 1 Q&A so I am cautiously optimistic.

  • mikecrosby

    Boy, would I love to know what Debbie C’s thinking is now. It would be fascinating.

    • Kestrel

      She would probably tell you that you can save money by switching to Geico.

    • I’ve always thought that someone should do a follow-up study of ex-Scientologists to see how their experience affects their attitudes towards organisations that require faith.

      It would aim to find out what proportion become outright sceptics, or convert to mainstream religions, fall for another fringe group or just get on with their lives.

    • Harmless Weirdo

      I’d be interested to know whether she’s still a true believer in LRH and his “tech,” in spite of everything the Miscavige-run Co$ put her through. She didn’t have a crisis of faith, decide it was all sci-fi bullshit, and blow. What she wanted was accountability and reform from within–a return to what she saw as a perfect system that had been debased by Miscavige–and got savaged for it.

      So does she still consider herself a devoted Scientologist, despite having been declared? That, I’m curious about.

  • salin

    Hadn’t gone trawling for recent videos about Scientology encounters (edit to add: for a long time). Ran across this interesting item. Vlogger, watches and responds on Twitter to Leah Remini when the show is airing. Receives in the mail (but not to her direct name) a Co$ Way to Happiness DVD. It is on the first four minutes of the episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig52-n4aOZo

  • Liberated

    There is currently a twitter war going on between the Wash. Post and creationist Ken Ham.
    Mr. Ham is outraged that the post has reported there were no dinosaurs on Noah’s ark and they were wiped out by the great flood.

    Oh yeah, this year is off to a great start!

  • Jeb Burton

    Leah, speaking out and admitting everything she knows is a lie, Rinder speaking out and losing his kids, Scobee speaking out and losing her son, Debbie Cook speaking out, oh wait, she would lose money.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Debbie Cook speaking out, oh wait, she would lose money. What a fucking hero.”

      You missed the part where they paid her to make their own lawsuit go away, didn’t you?

      • Jeb Burton

        How brave of her. Old Jebs a millionaire!

        • gtsix

          Why don’t you get sued by the church. Let us know how that works out for you. Dandar barely escaped with his career. Bob Minton was destroyed. Go ahead Jeb. Be the tough guy.

          No one has said she is a hero. But what she did took chutzpah. And since that case, CO$ has not sued anyone at all.

          Put your ass in the crossfire and let us know how that works out for you. Be a defendant against a billionaire cult. She couldn’t demand anything, she was the defendant. Could she have refused to sign an NDA. yes. No. Maybe. Don’t know.

          • Observer

            He won’t do anything that threatens his illusion that he’s superior to everyone who was ever in Scientology, or that requires him to lift a finger to do anything other than type denigrating judgments upon exes.

            • Jeb Burton

              I don’t believe all exes are saints. Most were arrogant, bullying, antisocial assholes who were better than us. They were at the least homophobic, they knew what LRH said about gays. I’m willing to forgive, but was has Cook done to denounce Scientology? Nothing, she worships LRH.

            • gtsix

              And you know what she believes how?

              You say that everytime “they’re not Saints”. And you fail to see the next line you wrote “were”. Past tense. You have no idea present tense.

              And as far as sainthood… something makes me think neither are you. Or would you like someone to do an in depth study on your life? Up for it? GoFundMe would be ready to go.

            • Jeb Burton

              Maybe she could tell us? I have no idea. But from her last post, she didn’t like DM but loved LRH. An in depth study of my life? Google Hugh Hefner.

            • gtsix

              Hugh Hefner! You live in fucking Clearwater, FL, ffs. Ahhhhaaaa. Put down the crackpipe laddie.

            • Jeb Burton

              Crack is overrated. Were more of a meth lifestyle here.

            • gtsix

              Ya missed a golden: Crack is whack.

            • Observer

              He lacks the ability to grasp that they’re simply human beings who made a terrible mistake and not evil or stupidity incarnate. We’ve all made terrible mistakes of varying kinds. Me, I’ll take people who have faced their mistakes over sanctimonious asses any day.

            • Joe

              I forget who said it, but I think the quote is “10% of people are inherently cruel, 10% of people are inherently kind, and the remaining 80% can be swayed either way.”

            • ReallyMGM

              I believe it is Jon Atack (and maybe Steve Hassan as well) who has said some people are just prone to be taken by dangerous coercive organizations like cults and multi-marketing scams. He free admits he was and was taken in by Scientology. Steve Hassan talks about his indoctrination into the Moonies. It is easier than people think, and there are so many good, caring people in cults, hurt friends and family, see the light, and don’t know how to leave. Others don’t want to leave because they are so totally indoctrinated.
              I wish our children were talked to about this earlier about coercive persuasion techniques earlier in their lives so that it might help. Many don’t know about techniques until they are in college (and only if they take a class in communication, the sociology department will teach it an entirely different way) go to college, or adults if a friend gets involved who gets screwed and disconnects from them.

            • Qbird

              Jeb, do you feel that is true [ most were … etc ] of the former scientologists who comment here in the bunker? I don’t agree with you on that at all.
              Maybe a few, but certainly not most.
              That’s how I feel about it anyway.

            • MarcabExpat

              I’m going to posit, based on your continual line of commentary, that you are not, in fact, willing to forgive.

        • chukicita

          Well, the first thing ya know, old Jeb’s a millionaire
          The kinfolk said, “Jeb move away from there”
          They said “Californy is the place you oughta be”
          So they loaded up the truck and moved to Gilman Springs.

          Hole, that is.
          Swimmin’ pools.
          Movie stars.

          Unless you have faced what she did your own self, with a crushing awakening, your own life and family on the line, and everything you believed in turned upside down, you’ve got about as much room to sling shade as a sprout. Or Captain Sprout.

          • salin

            chuckicita, yesterday/last night L Wrong posted a pic of a down-trodden looking ‘future ideal org’ – that is the Orlando building we watched the auction/bidding on. If you didn’t see the picture scroll through the later part of the day’s comments. Maybe it’s the lighting – but it looked like it has gone from decent shape to shabby in the past number of months since they bought the building.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s most certainly shabbier than last time I took photos. You’d be surprised how fast unattended buildings can cosmetically deteriorate. Just sitting there in the Florida sun and rains can ruin a place in a matter of no time.

            • salin

              Happens here (midwest) too, but not quite at the same speed. As you can keep taking photos, they tell a story – esp when layed out together as an array. How much money were people pressed to give – under the guise of saving humanity? And now it deteriorates. If there is ever the money (and certainly the push for money is incessant) it will cost far more to rehab as each month passes.

      • Observer

        More like ignored.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Indeed. Observerhund pics have a better narrative, and there I will go.

        • Jeb Burton

          I get it. She signed those contracts under duress. That lawsuit has legs. They would have never made her pay. She took the easy way out and so would I. Now she lives like a Kardashion.

          • pluvo

            “They would have never made her pay.”

            Nonsense. Why do you believe that? DM, who she attacked, would have done everything to destroy her. She was already weakened due to a serious medical issue.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            I may be mistaken, but I think the amount she settled for was substantially less than one year of salary for an executive at a business as large as FLAG. Instead, she made pennies every year while they stole her most productive earning years. Hardly a Kardashion lifestyle.

    • gtsix

      You just don’t get it. She was being g sued by CO $. She was the defendant. Had she lost, she would have been on the hook for millions. They settled with her, after they sued.

      And Amy Scobee doesn’t have any children.

      • Jeb Burton

        Sorry. I thought she was the one who lost her son to the cult.

        • Qbird

          you’re thinking of Mary Kahn.

          • gtsix

            Or Lowie, or Willie, or Karen, or Laurie, or…. way too many to name all individually.

            • Qbird

              yes, gtsix. too many. gd it. it ain’t right.

            • gtsix

              No, it isnt. It really fucking isn’t.

      • Jeb Burton

        You’re right, I don’t get it. She could of demanded from the cult anything she wanted. Do you have to settle when your killing them? Maybe I should ask the Rathbuns about that.

    • Qbird

      you edited your post to soften the blow. Hillie caught it.

      • Observer

        I’m shocked. No, really.

    • said the man who never took a chance in his life

      • 4chanpartyvan

        because you know this guy and you know what hes done with his life/

    • 4chanpartyvan

      The Cos will die from the 1000 cuts theory not one telling blow from one person.
      Cooks e-mail and the knock on effect it had on others(as she was highly regarded in the church)did its job.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    DM, in his year-end triumphalism, called schools
    “social adjustment camps.”
    There is some truth to that.
    But the implication is that he is socially maladjusted,
    fair comment on a violent malignant narcissist and
    billionaire bully.

    DM’s view of The Bunker?
    A Sceptic Tank

    Captain Underpants is a hero in some kids’ books.
    DM may need to launch a lawsuit to take over the name –
    he is gonna need industrial quantities of underoos in 2017.

    I took Fian snowshoeing later yesterday –
    “Taking the son and heir out for some sun and air”
    quipped the in-law.

    Another bottle of foreign stout from my Christmas treasures
    to raise a glass to my pals on the Bunker.
    The hair of the wog that bit you, they suggest.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6eec359b49b01c3da78ef28106749a42582a799b905385ae9c4c5b07f2728a86.jpg

    This New Year’s racket is exhausting πŸ™‚

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48135b43572883a437eec50d6b5f052dcb8132e498567a0d8ff55bf977234c02.jpg

  • Dave Reams

    It is probable that at the time Hubbard slithered out of his Vistaril marinated meat body Scientology was still growing in members, wealth and power. The situation under David Miscavige is clearly different! Like Major Kong riding the bomb, Dave is clenching Scientology tightly between his cheeks as they plunge towards inevitable cataclysmic destruction. Dave may very well live out his days in material comfort in a tropical paradise, but it will be as a scorned and ridiculed failure.

  • PickAnotherID

    May the ‘Ideal Orgs’ jump like a Shaker music hall in 2017…

    • ze moo

      Last I knew, there were 1 or 2 Shakers still alive. They have a nice museum near the Albany NY airport.

      • PickAnotherID

        Exactly…

        • gtsix

          When you outlaw reproduction. .. you go bye bye.

          • I know a family who have been monks for four generations…

            • gtsix

              Not all of them. πŸ˜‰

            • Kestrel

              “…and an angel came in the night…

              …and he needed a shave.”

            • gtsix

              “Mary, they were going to stone you. So I blurted out G-d did it. What else could I say?”

            • gtsix

              Dammit, I thought of a better quip.

              “Mary, they were going to stone you. So I blurted out g-d did it. What else could I say?”

              “Joseph, you could have just admitted we’d had sex.”

              “Mary, then they would have stoned me! “

            • mockingbird

              Remember the shakers…

      • Juicer77

        A handful in Kentucky, as well.

  • Marshall

    Happy 2017 Bunker! Long, long, long time lurker creeping out of the dark fringes to join in the discussion. I’m tired of all the rolling eyes cast my way every time I bring up anything about $cientology with my family and friends πŸ™‚ There is just so much going on right now not to discuss and share. $cientology just doesn’t come up in the discussion here in Pittsburgh all that often! I really do believe that 2017 will be a horrible year for the cult and I want to be around to enjoy that with you all.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Welcome out from the dark corner, Marshall. scientology has not had a good year for eons now, and it probably never will have one ever again.

      • Kestrel

        From your lips to Xenu’s ears…

      • Marshall

        I know that I could never share as much as you do here on the bunker πŸ™‚ but I’m pretty sure I’d get exiled right back to the dark corner if I did!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Don’t worry, I’ve got that department covered πŸ™‚

          • Kestrel

            Is there a photo of you with your department covered?

            • gtsix

              Ba dum dum tish

            • Kestrel

              Da bum bum tush

            • $cnMonkeyNut$
            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You win!

            • gtsix

              Assman has a lasting affect (and effect.. Damn he’s good.)

            • Juicer77

              XD

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              D’oh! I walked right into that one πŸ˜‰

            • Kitz

              LOL!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Good gravy, JT, that’s the second newbie I’ve seen in as many days reference your ass. How does it feel to be a global legend?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              If my derriere is giving people the courage to come out of the shadows, then it was all worth it – all the planning, failures, early mornings, gym sessions and the ice cold baths… It’s a tough job being The Assman.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I salute you for your sacrifice, sweet pea. ; )

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Marshall. I just hope that the implosion doesn’t rip apart more families. Hopefully it will mean lots of reunions.

    • That’s the joy of the Internet – no matter how obscure your interests, there are always people out there who share them. That said, with Leah Remini’s series, Scientology might be passing into the mainstream as we speak.

      • mockingbird

        That’s good news and bad. It warns people about Scientology BUT it helps the cult recruit.

        In England when hearings were held several members of the government understood the publicity would actually get curious people to buy Scientology books and some would be roped into the cult. The same issue has come up in Australia too.

        The mainstream publicity helps the cult expand unfortunately.

        I think eventually the cult has to get stopped in a more effective manner.

        • Back then, this new-fangled Internet did not exist. People who encountered Scientology did so on Scientology’s terms. There was no second opinion you could take that was not buried in a newspaper archive, miles away.

          In England today, people Google these things (and just about everything else, for that matter). Although the counter-suggestible will always be with us, my observations of my local org (supported by some insider testimony) suggest recruitment there has been at an absolute standstill for years.

          They are not expanding, and people knowing the truth of their ‘secret’ teachings before they even encounter recruiters is going to make that situation worse.

          As for buying Scientology books – why should a nation which loves pirate downloads bother – and why should anyone living in the 21st century take Hubbard’s near-incoherent writings and creepy 50’s bigotry seriously. I’m reliably informed that hardly any Scientologists have read “Dianetics”.

          Neither reason nor my direct observation support the idea that a very secular general public would be recruited by the widespread exposure of Scientology.

          Besides, if this were true, this very forum would be an effective recruiting ground for Scientology.

          I understand your concern. With respect, I don’t find it credible. Besides, there is nothing to stop “effective action” on other fronts. Together.

          • mockingbird

            Hmm, first I will address this forum. We don’t have vague generalities about Scientology which is something the press has had in England and Australia at times. Specifically in the fifties and sixties. That’s the weakpoint. Even people attempting to be neutral or tolerant have grossly misrepresented Scientology.

            Very specific details being exposed over and over for years that include the crimes in Scientology, abuses of staff, methods Hubbard plagiarized and his true history along with the secret upper levels ALL being revealed together with hundreds of personal accounts is not the reporting someone like TMZ or some well meaning but ill informed journalists may present.

            It’s plainly a false equivalence.

            The statements by members of the British parliament regarding Scientology gaining members through press exposure in the past were considered accurate. All press are not equal though.

            I have no fears of Tony Ortega or Mike Rinder sending people towards Scientology.

            As a point of critical thinking a condition of personal incredulity for dismissing a claim is technically a logical fallacy. It’s a subtle one, but often stalls progress. Just saying “the earth orbiting the sun is something I personally don’t believe, so we won’t examine evidence”, or “the sun being a star is something I personally don’t believe, so we won’t consider it” are each incorrect and as long as they were followed good reason was impeded.

            The internet collection on Scientology by critics probably stops recruitment of the majority of potential victims of the Scientology cult. That’s my opinion. It may stop ninety percent of them.

            But a small few may still get through. People that are radicalized sometimes get very little information but somehow join or work for cultic groups. ISIS, white supremacists and other terrorist groups have recruited through the internet and minimal exposure at times.

            The recent renaissance of hatred America is experiencing with white supremacists and the KKK undergoing massive expansion despite negative press is an example. Many people know the alt right are repackaged neo Nazis but they have sprung up.

            I don’t understand the secular general public comment. By survey consistently over seventy percent of Americans believe in god so they aren’t a bunch of skeptics, atheists and agnostics.

            I hope these dangerous groups end up with just a few thousand members, but know cultic groups have achieved tremendous power. The Nazi inner circle and leadership of North Korea have had cultic aspects. The US now is tremendously vulnerable to cultic extremists and may be destroyed by them.

            • I was specifically referring to your comments about the UK, and defer to your greater knowledge of US culture. Compared to the US, the UK is a remarkably secular culture.

              The Royal Commission which examined (and condemned) Scientology (the Foster Report https://scicrit.wordpress.com/other-media/government-inquiries/ ) was completed in 1971, after long deliberation.

              At that time, organisations like Scientology were novel, and among the general public (and some MPs) there was some moral panic about ‘brainwashers’ with ‘Manchurian Candidate’ powers to which nobody was immune. The Foster Report, in fact, took a more measured approach.

              In the years since, we have realised that Scientology is a kind of filter feeder, which has to approach hundreds of people in order to find one or two who might sign on for a ‘beginners’ course. It’s power lies in its tenacity – once it has its hooks into someone it does not let go.

              The Internet, and the recent media attention has driven away far more people than it will ever attract, and Scientology’s reputation in the UK is at an all-time low. I think recruitment is at a standstill.

              While I understand this is not rigorous research, I was close by when this video was shot https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/scientologists-in-plymouth-uk-recruiting-for-christmas-what-can-go-wrong/ listening to what people who had just been approached, were saying to each other, while they waited for the lights to change when they crossed the road.

              I hesitate to repeat the things that were being said. Suffice it to say they were not complimentary – and you can see for yourself how many people actually accepted a leaflet, and how many swerved all over the pavement to avoid the Scientologists.

              Organisations like the KKK and Neo-Nazis are, I think slightly different in that they have been around for a long time, and are supported by structural changes in US society. In times of uncertainty, bigots get a larger audience for their ignorant scapegoating.

              In the UK, post -Brexit, there has been an upsurge in racist attacks and a tendency among some people to blame everything on ‘immigrants’. In their mouths, the word no longer means ‘people who enter a country’ but something more like ‘different bastards who are to blame for everything‘.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          “That’s good news and bad. It warns people about Scientology BUT it helps the cult recruit.”

          I’m sure that might have been true in the past, when less was known about the cult and its secret police/prison camp ways. But since all those stories have already broken years ago and $cn has been continuing to “danger point” itself for quite some time now, it may be that this latest round of media attention to the cult is having the opposite effect, resulting in a net loss of both staff and public. The cult is all about false attesting to its stats, so its hard to know one way or another.

          My bet is that $cn may have reached a public awareness saturation point that confers a kind of self-perpetuating herd immunity in which almost no one now says “$cn, what’s that, it sounds all spiritual super powery?” Instead, if you or your children and pets get too close to it, almost any kind stranger will warn you of the danger and try to shoo you away. As a result, we’ve developed a group norm about staying far away from all cults, which is now pretty much universal wisdom, that just gets carried from one genberation to the next every time father and son sit down to watch that infamous South Park episode and then instructs junior to stay away from them damned Xenu lovers πŸ˜‰

          Truly, it’s become an era in which everyone knows not to drink and drive, and also that “friends don’t let friends do $cn”. There seems to be almost universal anger and outrage at the cult that cuts across the entire political spectrum, so perhaps this will be the year that something really is done about it!

          • Herd immunity is a nice way of putting it.

          • MarcabExpat

            Oh I’m stealing “dangerpointing itself.” That’s good, that.

          • mockingbird

            I probably would’ve agreed with you earlier but groups like holocaust deniers, flat earthers, the KKK and various conspiracy theorists find recruits despite all the information available.

            I think if you are saying Scientology will have a very hard time getting enormous numbers you might have a good point, but tens of millions of Americans are probably in cultic relationships to some degree. It’s sad and dangerous.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Yea, through the magic of the internet we can connect with other seven people in the world who collect rhino sphincters or what have, making finding your tribe easier than ever before. Just like women who seek out and marry federal prisoners with life sentences, or young folks who are trying to catch HIV, every nutty thing there is has its own group. So, gaining a few, while losing many, seems like $cn’s future to me!

              Part of the unmagic of being a cult member is that you’re convinced that you’re not part of a cult – a word which has an almost universally negative connotation. As you note, there many, many different groups and belief systems that have cultic characteristics. In trying to delve more deeply into aspects of these widely divergent belief groups which they all share in common as defining features by which we informally recognize them as cults, I find it much more useful (and a whole lot less offensive to specific individuals within these groups) to conceptualize them as existing on continuum, from very low-demand groups, such as the Unitarians, to the very high-demand groups, such as the Aum Shinrikyo group, with $cn located towards that extreme end of the continuum.

              For those countries like our own, where $cn is a relatively small sub-cultural group encompassed by a much larger dominant culture, the relative differences between the two – with respect to individual rights, freedom of movement, privacy, communication, access to media –

              defines how high-demand a group like $cn appears to the larger cultural group, which for $cn in the USA is pretty dramatic.

              Move the $cn system of metered sec checking, snitch culture and thought crimes to N.Korea and there’d be no marked qualitative difference between the very high-demand cultural milieu of N. Korea and that which is already the norm there. Indeed, they’re already in almost perfect alignment!

              Shining a bright media spotlight, both on what $cn does and what its adherents believe, makes the contrast between the cult’s internal culture of unquestioning obedience and strictly controlled behavior, communication and even thought and the wider, embedding national culture stand out in bold relief.

            • mockingbird

              I have to agree. I think the key thing that helps is the accurate portrayal of Scientology as harmful in sometimes heartbreaking details. I think a large number of stories that get a large audience and many, many other stories that get a tiny audience (including my blog and posts on other sites) show Scientology is a very bad time.

              You are right that the abusive groups are on a sliding scale of abuse. The very worst like ISIS or other terrorist groups do severe harm. Aum Shinrikyo is way up there as they committed several murders, terrorist attacks and reportedly set out to purchase a nuclear weapon to murder millions of innocent people with and start a nuclear war between the superpowers. If a nuclear attack sparked a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia I can’t think of a more extreme realistic terrorist attack.

              We have no shortage of abusive groups to put at the extreme end. Scientology is very high in certain attempts to use tools to influence but relative to the extreme violence and destruction Scientology brings on a large social scale Scientology is small potatoes.

              When it ruins a life, takes a life or destroys a family it of course is a horrible tragedy. I think the more the different social groups one looks to for cues overtly reject a group like Scientology the less likely most people are to join the group.

              I have to agree that cult members are sure they aren’t cult members. In my experience the certainty that one can’t be fooled or wrong is essential to the cultic relationship.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Yes indeed, there’s some real irony in the fact that the only way that you can be a true believer cult adherent is if you believe that you’re not part of a cult. The fact that almost everyone else who’s not part of your group is positive that it IS a cult is a tough one to deal except through isolation and increasingly high-demand pressures to restrict communication channels and information flow – a completely anachronistic tactic in the age of the internet that just can’t survive.

              Perhaps if we begin to send telexes to those still deep in the cult they will respond to that mode of communication best πŸ˜‰

              ” I think the more the different social groups one looks to for cues
              overtly reject a group like Scientology the less likely most people are
              to join the group.”

              Malcolm Gladwell’s tipping point concept is operable here. Once enough folks within a generation are sufficiently “danger pointed” concerning the evil and threat that $cn truly represents, it becomes a self-perpetuating group meme, just as the very good advice not to drink and drive has become fundamentally embedded within out culture and taken as given, even by those who are stupid enough to go against it.

              I think that we’ve reached a tipping point, at least here in the U.S., where being a Ronbot Kool-Aid drinker is fast becoming as universally rejected and looked upon as grave mistake as drinking and driving has become.

              Rather than being looked upon as the “coolest religion on earth,” the cult and all of its zombified members are increasingly seen as belonging to “the cruelest religion on earth” – a notorious reputation that the cult has well and truly earned for itself!

            • mockingbird

              I am about two thirds through Daniel Shaw’s book Traumatic Narcissism and he gets into this in extreme detail.

              He has views on cult leaders and members having specific behavior including denial of vulnerabilities and projection of weaknesses and flaws onto others.

              Those behaviors would easily explain the sense of infallible invincibility that cults engender. A calm, moderate, cautious and humble approach to oneself, others and life is not conducive to cult membership or leadership. Lifton wrote that to kill everything you need to understand everything. In other words doubting your righteousness leads to seeing a world in shades of grey.

        • For sure, TV documentaries – no matter how good – are not going to shut down a criminal organisation.

          But the ensuing fall-out just might encourage that one or two current members who have evidence of the systematic lawbreaking to come forward to the proper authorities.

          Or at least get the tax authorities to reconsider the tax break, which might not be an easy problem to survive for the Co$.

          • mockingbird

            I agree with you that losing tax exemption could be a serious wound to Scientology perhaps fatal for the main cult in the US.

    • salin

      Welcome to coming out of the lurkdom and in to the comment sections discussions, Marshall!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      *rolleyes*

      jk. Welcome, Marshall.

    • Qbird

      Why your interest, Marshall? just curious…

      • Marshall

        Like many others I just got curious how intelligent people got pulled in and I wanted to try and understand. Read Going Clear when it came out and that was the beginning of falling down the rabbit hole.

        • Qbird

          hmmm… same here, but curiosity gabbed me before Lawrence Wright’s book.
          good book, good read.
          Tom Cruise & a dang medal is what got me.

          • Marshall

            It was definitely on my radar before the book but that was my first real plunge. Didn’t know at that time about Tommy and his big being medal!

    • gtsix

      Welcome to the bunker. Beers in the fridge, tea kettle is on the stove, popcorn and caek are on the table. Do try to keep it clean. Sherbs doesn’t like it when we make a mess.

      And for goodness sake, watch out for the cats. This is their bunker, we’re just allowed to hang out.

      • Marshall

        Thanks!

      • Sherbet

        Damn straight!

        • gtsix

          Can I go gayly forward? It’s my thing.

          • Sherbet

            Don you now your gay apparel, but DON’T MESS UP THE BUNKER. I’m out of vacuum bags.

            • Kestrel

              For some reason, I can’t picture you finding yourself out of vacuum bags.

            • Sherbet

              You’re right. I buy them by the pallet.

    • beauty for ashes

      howdy Marshall! I know what you mean about rolling eyes.
      My Mom said she was going to Clearwater for her anniversary, and I all huffy said,
      ” Mah-um! That’s like scientology’s MECCA! Don’t go there!” (total drama queen) she just rolled her eyes, “That’s your thing sweetheart.”
      None of my scientology posts on FB ever get likes.
      I don’t get why other people around me are not as fascinated as I am. SMDH!
      Anyway welcome!

      • Kestrel

        Many of my friends couldn’t care less, but others are spreading the word about the Remini/Rinder series. It is getting attention.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I stayed shut up when I started to realize that people saw my comments as freaky and bigoted. In the last couple of years though, when people have asked if the movie/TV show/article is true I respond– “Yeah. It’s what I’ve been telling people for 35 years”.

        • Kestrel

          It wasn’t until “Going Clear” came out and a buddy expressed amazement at what he saw that I felt like things were beginning to turn the corner.

      • Marshall

        It’s just so hard to tell them easily how bad it is on so many levels – not just some “kooky” religion. Even if they think it’s weird, I think there is a willingness to shrug their shoulders (and roll their eyes πŸ™‚ because they don’t want anyone going after their religion. How bad could it be??

        • Liberated

          Start by telling them that scientology is not really a religion at all….it’s a greedy criminal cult.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome. Please be sure to get your Social Security number to Big Pharma so the check can be directed properly…!

  • I have noticed an influx of ex-JW joining us with curiosity. Please welcome them when you meet them on social medias.

    • Juicer77

      A lot of crossover from Lloyd Evans’ work on YouTube. He has a book out now, by the way. πŸ™‚

      • You know if he has a forum?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Lloyd is wonderful. I credit Chris Shelton for introducing me to him.

  • 9001

    New Happy Year all!
    “Cook’s own background contains some less than ideal behavior”
    Saying she was only following directions is an excuse that would still apply today to those who are “over-regging” for DM and the Scilons. Hope she gave some of the settlement money she got back to the family of the late Maria Pia Gardini and the others she helped bilk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3tIiv2Ke5s#t=1h41m58s

    • Juicer77

      Happy New year!
      I certainly hope Ms. Cook has made steps to make up for what she did while “in.”

      • beauty for ashes

        This is one question I would love to hear answered as well.
        Maria has a place in my heart <3
        " MORE BODY THETANS!!!!!!???" she kept saying, aww bless her soul.

    • salin

      This is such an important story. It gives such a clear example of how extreme regging can be and how there are *no* limits nothing is out of bounds which means there is a total lack of regard for the situation of the individual/family. Heart breaking story.

  • Snip from Mike Rinder’s 2017 post:

    “The groundswell of sentiment continues to build that government agencies – IRS and law enforcement – must act. Action is inevitable, and I believe it will be this year.
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/happy-new-year-2/

    • Ruby

      This makes me very hopeful. I don’t think Rinder is one to lightly throw statements like that out there. He has had too much interaction with the FBI, police and other agencies to make me think he truly considers this a real possibility.

      • Exactly.

      • MarcabExpat

        Agreed. He is given to snark, but not hyperbole.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Brought a big smile this morning when I read that.

    • Joe

      Mike has such a way of bringing new light to things that have been reported on before or generally known. One of DM’s biggest weaknesses is that he treats the people he needs to stay in power with brutality and derision. It’ll be too late when he realizes the people he relied on to maintain his evil empire have been abused, imprisoned, or ran off.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    In case you were wondering how Kuba Ka rang in the new year…

    PHOTO CAPTION – “With my great Friend – Hunter, Officer Dog of Scientology Celebrity Centre protecting us always, on Charity Ball New Year’s Eve at Beverly Wilshire! He is the Rock Star!πŸ•πŸ•πŸ‘‘”
    @scientology @beverlywilshire #scientology #dog #dogs #pet #friends #officer #singer #actor
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOvdgrDl6iC/

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Spectacular New Year’s Eve Charity Ball for Human Rights at Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Beverly Hills, organized by Scientology Celebrity Centre. Beautiful Night, with big Cause of Freedom for all People of the World!πŸŽ‰πŸŒŽπŸ‘‘” @scientology @scientologylondon @beverlywilshire @fourseasons #scientology #humanrights #singer #actor #entertainment #party #love #dreams
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOuDz_dg4bN/

    • Kestrel

      Nice of his mom to get him a ticket.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It looks like there was a lot of room on the dance floor…
        (refresh)
        https://www.instagram.com/p/BOuDWNpAa_t/?taken-by=kubaka_official

        • Kestrel

          Looks like he couldn’t scrounge up a date for the big event.

        • Harmless Weirdo

          That’s not exactly a young, hip crowd, either. I see some grandpas doing the whiteboy shuffle right behind him.

        • KellyKels

          That’s embarrassing. There is nobody there.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i think it might be safe to say that he thinks he is cooler than 70million other people. Or at least the ones on the dance floor . So like …11 people .

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I see what you did there.

            • madge filpot

              lolol..

        • Sherbet

          “Hey, girl. I’ve got ankhs on chains.”

          • PJK

            From the looks of him I’d rather think that would be “Hey boy. I’ve got ankhs on chains.” or maybe “Hey everyone, I’ve got ankhs on chains.”.

            He reminds me a bit of Gerard Joling (a Dutch gay singer/artist) in his glory days:

            http://www.uithetdal.nl/content/13421/news/clnt/3460350_1_org.jpg

            • Sherbet

              Kuba is neither gay nor straight. He’s offensive to everybody.

        • madge filpot

          I believe that’s a Meskiman on the dance floor… in the dark jacket.

          • Sherbet

            Could be. It’s hard to say.

        • TheLurkingHorror

          He looks like he just came out of the purif. πŸ™‚

    • Liberated

      What’s wrong with his face?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        The family that has cosmetic surgery together…
        Mama pulls that skin any tighter and she’s on her way to being the next “cat woman” πŸ™

      • Harmless Weirdo

        Narcissism is what’s wrong with his face. He’s trying to act out grandiose, megalomaniacal fantasies of power, prestige, desirability, and success, and has altered his face accordingly.

      • salin

        Remember back when you were a child… an adult (often a Mom) told you not to cross your eyes or stick out your tongue because it might get ‘frozen’ that way? Looks like he has kept that ‘uptone’ affect so long that it has become frozen in a rather unnatural looking way.

        • Liberated

          It must have been grandma giving the warning, cause if you look at mom….she’s afflicted by
          “frozen face” too!

          • Sherbet

            Mom is evidently a Vulcan. Check out the Mr. Spock eyebrows.

      • MarcabExpat

        He’s actually a candle. Please don’t put him in the microwave, that gold trim crackles and sparks.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Kuba seems kind of perfect for $cn to me. Someone needs to take mom aside for a moment and emphatically warn her about the imminent danger that the family’s assets will be in if they continue to hang with this crew of shills and con men. Hopefully, she can save Kuba from becoming a full-on $cilon before he gets in too deep. Otherwise he’s got “easy mark” and “cult bait” written all over him.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Yeah. He looks foolish. He wouldn’t have survived very long in my old neighbourhood. An accountant or a jewelry salesman would have beaten him up.

      • Kestrel

        I’m sure he’s been convinced they will make him the next Stacy Francis

        • madge filpot

          EXACTLY.

    • KellyKels

      Hahaha that guy! He’s constantly posting photos

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Upvote because Kuba Ka amuses me.

      • MarcabExpat

        He shouldn’t be funny, but he is. Joy Villa is not nearly so entertaining.

        I wonder what he smells like. I’m thinking incense mixed with a lack of deodorant.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          And a hint of kielbasa.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I imagine he bathes in White Diamonds.

          • MarcabExpat

            With a splash of Eau d’Axe, I reckon.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “PHOTO CAPTION – “With my great Friend – Hunter, Officer Dog of
      Scientology Celebrity Centre protecting us always, on Charity Ball New
      Year’s Eve at Beverly Wilshire! He is the Rock Star!πŸ• πŸ‘‘”
      @scientology @beverlywilshire #scientology #dog #dogs #pet #friends #officer #singer #actor”

      By the work done on the lady’s face, I suspect she has more money than Mr. Ka but I’m not sure it was wise of him to completely ignore her in the company of a dog.

      • Kestrel

        If I remember correctly, that is his mother.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          I think it makes it worse.

          • Kestrel

            It certainly does if they are going through him to get to her money.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Somebody save that puppeh!

    • MarcabExpat

      Wow, his head exploded and his facial expression didn’t change!

    • madge filpot

      oh dear. smh……oh dear oh dear. Mom seems to um… think that maybe they “are” somebody. Do we know if this Kuba Ka is any good? Or is he basically peaking out as SCN’s newest hot in house celeb. Man.. I’m catty tonight. Cain’t hep m’sef.. just keeps coming out.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        He’s half Polish. I was watching one of his videos the other day with a Polish co-worker – we cracked up laughing, and turned it off 30 seconds in – it was terrible. Also, the Polish guy had never heard of him.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Does this look/sound “good” to you?
        https://youtu.be/FigvzyK5xGA

        • Sherbet

          Dr. Frank N. Furter meets Gladiator meets blond Moe Howard.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I think he should have kept the blondie-ness. Now he looks too greasy.

            • Sherbet

              And it’s bordering on Travolta Sharpie-ness.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I don’t know why, but that reminds me of:
          https://youtu.be/d5APeIXEzmA

  • salin

    Reminder to click the recommend (like an upvote) for today’s Edition of the Bunker and the ensuing comments here in the Bunker. Can we boost the recommends beyond 129?

    Instead of the space opera offered by CoS (at the higher levels) – here is some real-life natural sky-scape beauty: Auroras welcoming in the new year in Finland: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=131947&PHPSESSID=97kvcjgqtrci9kkar24t2m0la3

    • Kestrel

      Beautiful.

  • KellyKels

    Not sure anyone has seen this, from Melbourne Ideal Org (Australia) in Nov 2014… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4fe0e700ab746e2f2998ed65383375475e1336abda4793bbb81ee08751d86f78.jpg

    • salin

      Good find. Creepy – looks like a headstone. Metaphor for the person who gives so much to the IAS – get a trophy, and a cake that reminds you that you are killing you and your family’s (financial) future?

      • Kestrel

        That cake looks like a clay demo.

        • salin

          you nailed it!

        • MarcabExpat

          YES. Cannot unsee.

      • KellyKels

        It DOES look like a headstone! The “wave” he is doing looks a bit wrong too, and I’m not sure what’s going on with the 2 children…

        • salin

          They look like they are pleading: “Daddy don’t, please don’t give up our college fund!” Okay that is my biased perception speaking. Whoever designed/made the cake seemed to be sending mixed messages. Or – like me – just isn’t terribly adept at decorating cakes.

          • KellyKels

            LOL!

          • Harmless Weirdo

            More like, “Daddy, please not rice and beans again!”

            • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

              Daddy, we need TP, not PTS!

    • What’sup
  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • KellyKels

      Waxy faces and fake smiles all around!

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        And when I search a faceless crowd
        A swirling mass of gray and
        Black and white
        They don’t look real to me
        In fact, they look so strange

        Raise your glass to the hard working people
        Let’s drink to the uncounted heads
        Let’s think of the wavering thousands
        Who need leaders but get gamblers instead

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Botox…botox everywhere. Granted, it is LA, but still. No wonder Kuba Ka and his mom seem to feel so at home.

    • Sherbet

      The color scheme is seizure-inducing. We got turquoise. We got yellow. We got purple. We got gold. We got silver.

    • madge filpot

      Geeezusss.. these women look like plastic … somethings:. Nancy C and her friend look positively Shrink Wrapped! Wow… not a good look. It feels like from where I am looking, that it would be like wearing a girdle over your face. lolol I sound mean., but please people..

  • outraged

    Bravo Debbie Cook!!! Your courage and honesty allowed many imprisoned souls to escape Scientology.

    Fuck You David Miscavige. Your sadistic narcissistic self serving behavior has split loving families apart.

    Once again and for always, I ask, WHAT RELIGION IN THE WORLD rips children brutally away from their parents, siblings and friends.

    The Cherch is crumbling down, down, down. Get away while you still can.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    The NYE party at the Bogota Ideal Org was really exciting!
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOt-sauAsRO/?taken-by=fbondezan

    • KellyKels

      Wow…Out of control partying!!

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Wow! Roughly 25 people! The echoes in all that empty space must have been deafening.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Sure, there were ONLY 25 people but the body thetan count was off the chart!

        • Sherbet

          I’m glad the guy on the left wore his best undershirt. It was a party, after all.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Sherb, is that you, way over in the back to the left? I see something green over there.

            • Sherbet

              Ssshhh…I was an in cognito party crasher.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Aaaah. Under the covers – I see. How was the caek?

            • Sherbet

              There wasn’t any after this raucous group of partiers got finished with it. You can see the hijinx and hilarity written all over their faces. Man, do they know how to party, and by “party,” I mean sit at long banquet tables for hours.

    • Sherbet

      So the menu basically was soup with little bowls of croutons/mini marshmallows and nothing to drink.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        It looks like they’re eating cereal, and the other bowls are garlic and red onion.

        They have two whole bottles of Coke on the table in the back to share, but nobody has dared to drink from them.

        • Sherbet

          That’s the sorriest party table I’ve ever seen. Pass the Frosted Flakes, will ya?

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            The reality was starting to set in, that neither COB or TC were going to attend. But they are putting on a brave face. Maybe next lifetime… *sigh*

            • Sherbet

              Maybe if their next party isn’t catered by Tony the Tiger.

            • madge filpot

              LOLOLOL… ohhh my face hurts… too funny. Poor peeps.. so hopeful.

      • madame duran

        It looks like gruel.

    • chukicita

      I beet they all moved the tables after the snack, and scooted all the chairs in the corner around the TV to watch three hours of Shermanspeak and statistics together.

      Feel that New Year magic!

      • Sherbet

        Can you imagine the poor guy who has to translate all…Miscavige’s…words…into Spanish or any other language for across-the-globe viewing?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Do they dub his speaches, or is it subtitled?

          • Sherbet

            Dubbing over Dave’s delivery is probably sacrilegious. Good question, though.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Dave does not need translation. He is such a Tone 40 communicator, that even non-native English speakers can understand him fully well.

  • KellyKels

    They seem to party a little different here in Australia…another oldie from 2014, Melbourne https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/84ca5ee57617f817a40f281f0bf733749563965641580f49faf00812ef190de4.jpg Ideal Org staff…Tim Price

    • Kestrel

      Get them out of their staff unis and they don’t know how to dress in public.

    • What’sup

      This can’t be Melbourne. Not a single beard or topknot to be found.

      • KellyKels

        Haha..Its rich CO$ kids in the suburbs

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Well, this about sums it up…
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOvho-agcqW/

    • Kestrel

      Scientology has the answer for any marital problems. Just ask Tom Cruise.

    • It’s spelt “endorses”.

      • GrangerFX

        Spellingtologist!

      • Sherbet

        It’s spelt “spelled.”

        (snicker!)

        • stillgrace2

          Only in America, Sherbet. Brits get to spell it either way. I looked it up.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, I know! Mark never makes mistakes, anyway.

        • By that Webster cove maybe, but not necessarily by Dr. Murray… πŸ™‚

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Doesn’t every British word have a superfluous ‘U’ somewhere..?

        • Missionary Kid

          Americans have some superfluous U’s, too, as in “fuck u.” πŸ˜›

    • Sherbet

      That’s one stunt he shouldn’t admit to doing.

    • madame duran

      I would’ve tweeted this but the spelling error is inexcusable (but if anyone doesn’t care about that bit, they can post it with the #ScientologytheAftermath hashtag).

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Her husband posted this photo of Emily Jones starting 2017 today with a hike. Fingers crossed that she wakes up and takes a hike right out of that disconnecting cult she’s in.

    BTW – John Goodwin, no one makes their wife pose for these goofy photos unless they are out of town tourists doing it for a laugh. And the hand placement is a big failure.
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6b0eaebd8f07e3ba8914e30076cd827384d6a4bf0680f93a1272be5df6fba5c.png

    • Supper Powers

      She’s a beautiful girl. Hope she goes home to see her parents in 2017.

      • Juicer77

        And her brother does, too.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Poor Phil, Willie and Emily. Such a lovely girl and great parents.

      • gtsix

        Does she understand she is being used for PR, that PR being to fuck with her own parents? Does she see her brother, and wonder why her SO work is different from his? Does any of that permeate the bubble of her mind? Does she care? Or is eternity the only thing she cares about? Oh, and clearing the planet, of course.

        What a fucking waste.

        • Sherbet

          It’s for the greater good. You heard Leah: The church is your parent.

          • gtsix

            Sure, when she’s out and about, in a nice Hoodie and expensive glasses. Cuz sometimes that is bullshit, kids know when they have fucked up parents.

            But hey, she looks good, obviously is well fed and doing her thing. So glad she’s out there on social media, to torture her parents.

            Sorry Sherb, not feeling it.

            • Sherbet

              I understand. It’s a poor excuse for a religion. I’d give anything to have my parents back again for even a half-hour, just to hug them and make them smile.

            • gtsix

              Frankly, I am glad for these social media posts. Only so at the least, her parents can see she is healthy and still alive. Silver lining.

    • Observer

      She makes my heart ache.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        She makes my heart flutter – you know… a little bit.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Oh shit, Phil’s here – strike that last comment.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I know. She is beautiful and she has people who care about her and love her dearly.
        And she is mind trapped in a scam started by a nasty lying fat arsehole for money and power.
        I can’t even imagine the bittersweet pain Phil and Willie feel each time they see her pic.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      If anyone can, Ada can.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Ugh… Only two more hours of work left before I can skedaddle home.

        Guess I should be happy I have a job.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          What kind of wacky schedule do you work?

          • Asscheduled kind.

            • salin

              It’s a buttcrazy schedule.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I need to assertain what he’s up to.

            • Assurance. I get it.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You know what happens when you assume, right?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I find it really difficult to see photos of Emily, knowing what Phil and Willie are going through. I can’t even imagine how much it must tear them up. Call home, Emily. You know, deep down, that you want to.

    • madame duran

      Note to Emily: the Underground Railroad led slaves into freedom in Canada. Just sayin’.

    • PickAnotherID

      Ummmm…The sign read ‘Hollyweed’ this morning, so how was this pic taken today??

    • ReallyMGM

      Such a beautiful girl. I hope she finds her way back to Willie and Phil. {{{Hugs for them}}}

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Sherbet

      Oh, it’s just a picture of someone trying to escape Gold Base.

    • Liberated

      What creepy imagery!

      • madame duran

        At first glance, it looked like something you’d find in an Amnesty International ad to depict the OPPRESSION endured by victims of human rights abuses. How is this a motivational image?

        • Liberated

          Amnesty Int. was exactly my 1st. impression too.

    • April

      All that unnecessary bloodshed, when the stupid fucker could have just cut the barbed wire fence with some wire cutters. This pic is not impressive to anyone who grew up on a farm.

      • Snippy_X

        He hates himself.

    • Let’s see him try that with the ultra barrier at Int Base.

    • Len Zinberg

      Is Cardone subliminally encouraging people to escape from the Int Base?
      (I think so.)

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Jenna & Bodhi’s little thetan doesn’t look like he’s enjoying himself, does he? Poor kid.
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOthXemB-60/?taken-by=bodhielfman

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Fashion consulting by Joy Villa? Poor little guy. Growing up in a cult bubble.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        But…Stephanie Minkoff approves of it. (She responded to this pic on Bodhi’s IG. My hair always stands on end when I see a Minkoff.)

      • ReallyMGM

        Well, my daughter lets my grandson wear his Halloween costume around the house after the holiday so I guess I shouldn’t judge. LOL

    • Observer

      I bet his parents’ behavior keeps him in a constant state of emotional agony. Can you imagine having a mother whose idea of wit is proclaiming she’d blow a horse if she could do something entirely mundane? Gadzooks.

    • Liberated

      “Why does my mom refer to me as a little bastard and little fucker on live tv?”

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Her kids are adorable, I have to say. Ugh, I really feel for the born-ins. I hate seeing kids growing up inside this cult. How do they ever get right?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Some words of wisdom from celeb clams at the NYE shindig… and dig that hip gold spandex!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e38964cdbfeefddc9e6b0b341089d23b57d3aea36cf03d5e0c288a0b088077fc.png

    INSOUCIANCE!!!
    Denice Duff (w/Marisol Nichols) – “Here’s a word for your New Year: “INSOUCIANCE” “Light hearted, unconcerned, a relaxed and happy way of behaving without a feeling of worry” Go use it my friends and let’s
    play this year!!!!😘🎯✨”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOu_qZ-j4Z-/?taken-by=deniceduff

    Let it ride and roll the dice???? Sheesh!
    Sandra Sandiego – “You’ve come this far gambling on the person you are and on your ability to trust your instincts and make the right choices. You might as well let it ride and roll the dice. The odds are bound to be in
    your favor” Happy New Year 2017″ #actress #sandrasantiago #knowlege #education #love #life #create #art #films #changetheworld #musician #adamkirk #empowering #artists #aroundtheworld
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BOukcBBDZDY/?taken-by=sandrasantiago_official

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      The stage performers have shoes that light up as well – how theta.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, they are kind of a fad here, usually torn by kids and teens. And once again, a wog developed this tech before a CO$ big being did.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • AnyOldName1

    As a “never in” Debbie Cook’s email and subsequent interview with Dan Harris on ABC turned me from a curious observer into an active participant to end the abuse and crimes. Eventually landing at the Village Voice……. And the rest is history.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Wow, nice work SMP! This looks like it was put together decades ago. How embarrassing!
    https://www.facebook.com/scientologynewsroom/videos/vb.435652639906611/817002851771586/?type=2&theater

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Never thought of “farewell” as a verb, let alone “farewells.”

    • ReallyMGM

      Not as good without Marc Headley filming and editing their films. Other from Gold must have left or being punished, too. Are those the biggest celebrities and whales attending they could put on the front row?

    • Joe

      “you would be interrogated for asking those questions and then have to pay money for those interrogations.” YUP, JUST YOUR RUN OF THE MILL CHURCH, HERE. NOTHING TO SEE. NOTHING TO SEE AT ALL.

    • Liberated

      Hi dice, I have one problem with that interview…when Leah was asked “if she wanted to end scientology ” she said no.
      After speaking about how horrible and dangerous it is, how could she possibly say “if someone wants to do it on their own they should?”
      I don’t expect you to have an answer, I just found it surprising.
      Did you?

      • Joe

        Hi Liberated, I know you asked Dice but I thought I would give my two cents too. I think she was trying to say if people truly find a benefit in “auditing” and holding an e-meter and talking about their problems with an auditor, then they should be free to do so. I don’t think Leah has a problem with their wacky cosmology so much as their abusive and fraudulent practices.

        • Liberated

          I welcome your two cents, but she knows those “early benefits, and just talking to an auditor ”
          doesn’t stop there. In fact it never stops….it goes on forever, till your broke and completely beholden on the cult.
          It’s the ultimate ” bait and switch” …..why encourage the bait is my question?

          • Joe

            Oh, I agree. I don’t think “independent” Scientology would work any better than what the “mainstream church” is doing now, but it is a very slippery slope to get into an discussion about whether a religion is wrong as opposed to just doing terribly bad things.

            • Liberated

              Well, ok…I see your point about disproving a religion especially on tv in a limited time frame,
              but she had already said how the cult is not a true religion and they achieved that status by bullying the IRS. Yes, it is a slippery slope, I was just surprised she didn’t go all the way to discounting them completely.
              I don’t think we really have a disagreement.
              Happy new year.

            • Joe

              I don’t think so either, just a healthy exchange of opinions and ideas. (aka the stuff that Scientologists aren’t allowed to do).

              Happy new year!

            • Liberated

              I was thinking the same thing…too bad members of the cult aren’t allowed to actually communicate….isn’t that what it professes to teach?

            • Joe

              Yep, one of their many hypocrisies.

            • Liberated

              I thought your avatar was bird with a really long beak….until I did a close up.
              A gavel, now I get it!

      • I didn’t see it πŸ™‚ i just posted it for the record. But i will… just need to hook up some loudspeakers and so. I also find it abstract, to ask her that question! What if is she said yes! I don’t think someone could end scientology more than ending fungus. But we can keep it down to a minimum.

        • Liberated

          Ok, but I think after all she had said…..she could have tried. I just found it strange.
          Scientology will end one day at a time, one documentary at a time and one expose at a time,
          but it will eventually end, because it is evil to it’s core.

      • pluvo

        Her story is about the abuses and disconnection, which is just hit mainstream with her show. Why should she get caught up in the destroy mode? It doesn’t bring anything to get tangled up in it. The success is in EXPOSE!

      • MarcabExpat

        My guess is that Leah is reaching out to still-ins who are questioning but feel torn and are vulnerable to the “us-against-the-world” propaganda the Cherch puts out. They keep members corralled by telling them how horrible it is on the outside and how “they all just want to destroy us.” If Leah said she wanted to end Scientology it would play right into that propaganda. Remember that if you are a Scientologist, you are told that suppressive people want to suppress YOU. “I want to end Scientology” sounds very threatening to a Scilon.

        Instead, she states that she is for religious freedom, but just wants people to be treated well, and gives concrete examples of the abuse she’s talking about. There’s really no reasonable argument against that, and that’s why her show is so devastating. Non-Scientologist viewers are aghast at the Cherch’s behavior — but so are all the Scilon viewers. (And you know there are Scilon viewers.) By making it about the behavior rather than the beliefs, she draws still-ins into the arena so they can see for themselves, and begin thinking for themselves.

        Even if she’s just stating her personal opinion, I agree with her. People should be allowed to spin their wheels on whatever personal beliefs or practices if they want to, as long as they’re not hurting anyone else. Some of them will inevitably choose dumb stuff and that’s regrettable, but part of liberty is that citizens have the liberty to be dumb or waste their energy on going down rabbit holes.

        Banning a belief system doesn’t work and causes believers to react with defiance and solidarity, which is a big part of what Scientology counts on. Remove any threat of external pressure, and a lot of the energy that keeps Scientologists auditing would fade away. Going up the Bridge is a helluva lot of work, much of it very dry and tedious. Even thought you can find many of the materials on the Internet now for free, I doubt there are many self-made OT8s. Any other “path to enlightenment” is a lot less busy work and a lot more rewarding.

        It’s enough that she demands that Scientology abide by the law. You and I know that it’s incapable of doing that, and that if the law were enforced on the Cherch, the whole house of cards would collapse. It would have done so already if not propped up by the IRS. And once it goes down, so does the draconian enforcement system that keeps Scilons running on that hamster wheel of a Bridge, liberating them whether they want to be liberated or not. What they do with their freedom after that is up to them.

        • Liberated

          I understand.

    • ReallyMGM

      There are usually written transcripts of his old shows available too. You might try to find those. There might even be old transcript of other Scientologist celebrities talking about it with him.

  • GrangerFX

    Something a bit fun from Google. Here is Int Base from 1984 to the present. Watch it turn green over time.
    https://earthengine.google.com/timelapse/#v=33.84053,-116.98769,11.973,latLng&t=2.19

  • What’sup

    Hey SO. CoB threatened to send you to Western Australia?

    You should be so fucking lucky. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a571c9a0b0b8854613595a0f16475a81904c92c9603dd46bc8f71c2b123953e.jpg

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Yeah that looks like a terrible punishment. I don’t know how you can bear it. πŸ˜€

      • What’sup

        Its 5:30pm and 35c. It’s pretty great in here but.

        • Juicer77

          GAH. Way too hot for me!

  • Rieand

    I drink alot. Not sure what to say, except. Scientology is not a religion.

    • Supper Powers

      COB, is that you?

  • Dave Reams

    The PBS documentary series Frontline has an interesting documentary (2014) on the Vatican’s handlings of sex abuse, criminal fraud, and other sins – scandals which revealed rampant cancers within some of the church power structures. A new Pope opened a new era of love and kindness and service from the church towards the entire world.

    Perhaps loyal Scientologists will be inspired to want a similar rebirth of their religion? To be able to proudly practice in real fellowship with their friends towards a goodness they feel in their hearts? Perhaps what is not true for you is not true? Perhaps it is time to toss the dwarf?

    https://youtu.be/z7XrVhC_AgQ

    • MarcabExpat

      The problem for the poor Scilons is that Pope Francis accomplished as much as he did by insisting that the leadership actually behave by the principles they were giving lip service to — that they get back to the roots of their faith. But Scientology is as rotten at the core as it is on the surface. There are no selfless, kinder, gentler roots to get back to. El Ron never preached a Sermon on the Mount.

      • Dave Reams

        True enough but I have to believe that a great number of Scientologists got involved with the most sincere motivation to enrich their lives and share themselves with those around them. I don’t believe that the COS fosters the well being and happiness of each and every member.

        Ron never preached a sermon when mounted by Jack Parsons? I think not! Ron probably never stopped talking during the ceremonies … Hell, what’s that rustling behind David Miscavige’s podium the whole time during his 3 hour speech?

  • Good Morning.

  • Why does it say the Bunker has a 500 internal server error when I try to load it normally? Is our proprietor being hacked, or just doing a bit of maintenance?

    • 9001

      I don’t know why Mark but the 500 system error happens for me too on Chrome and Firefox.

    • Jack99

      Also got the 500 message.

      + 502 and 504

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’m getting all the error messages too. I was surprised when this page popped back up. Maybe the cats slept in? πŸ™‚

      • Moggies inside the server (it’s warmer there) πŸ™‚

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I made the mistake of refreshing the page. Just made it back here. LOL

          Moggies!! Wake up!!

    • I think I broke the internet.

  • Newiga

    *stirs a cup of Earl Grey* ‘Ssup?

    • Earl Grey – Yuk!

      • Newiga

        πŸ˜€ Recommendations? I didn’t live long enough in the UK to know better. The locals (my boss) had PG Tips English Breafast with too much sugar and milk which he stirred in with his finger.

        • It is just personal choice so you fill your boots!

        • I just don’t like the perfume like taste it has.
          I like a diy home blend of Assam and Ceylon. Most supermarkets here have their own brand of loose tea in boxes so I grab a box of each and dump them in a jar.
          You can go nuts and het luxury whole leaf versions of each and make the super breakfast blend of Ceylon Silver Tip and Assam Fine Tippy Golden Flowery Orange Pekoe.

          • Newiga

            You should see how my Russian friends make their tea. It’s science and an art form. πŸ˜‰ I know the basics i.e. make sure the water is not too hot so that I don’t burn the tea etc.

            My favorites are (not in any particular order) Earl Grey, Rooibos, Green Tea with a hint of lemon or jasmin, liquorice tea and liquorice tea. My Indian friend also makes a kick-ass Chai Latte from the spices his mother sends him. But that’s another ball game entirely.

            • chukicita

              Wow. You and I are tea sisters. Those are my favorites as well.

        • MarcabExpat

          Here is a wonderland of tea for you πŸ™‚

          http://www.holymtn.com/rare-teas-2/

          • Newiga

            Thank you, ME! xo

  • Hooray! Normal service has been resumed!

  • Peter Hoffman

    “Oh, and by the way, I was tortured at Int Base and witnessed more. Much like Guantanamo Bay. Have a nice day!” A little detail she left out. I guess this is a clue into why people submit to various levels of undue physical duress including torture and brush it off–she believed in $cientology so much that the details and the experience of the torture were insignificant next to Keeping $cientology Working.