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Atack: Scientology advocates serenity, so why are so many Scientologists angry jerks?

Jon_Atack3Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than three years he’s been helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Whenever I’m on the receiving end of a scream-fest by an entrenched Scientologist, I reflect on the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation and the Emotional Tone Scale.

[One of the bedrock concepts of Scientology is that its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, discovered how to chart human emotion on what he called a “Tone Scale.” Scientologists believe they can affect another person’s mood by identifying where they are on that scale, and then communicating with them in a certain way to move them up the scale to more pleasing states — Ed.]

So is the Scientologist trying to bring me “up tone” by hurling abuse at me? Any critic must be “covertly hostile” (1.1), so the right tone to adopt is anger (1.5). Or are they reaching down into the “chronic tone,” presuming that critics are at “shame” (-0.2) so will come up to “blame” (-1.0) given enough invective? I don’t think so.

When I first saw Midshipman David Miscavige’s scowling face, it seemed to me that he was definitely in Blame; this seems to have become the preferred tone of many of his followers.

How sad when we compare this to the initial wonderful aims of Dianetics. I still have the copy of Science of Survival presented to me by the then Executive Director, the marvelous Gill Pesich, as the top “field staff member” of the Birmingham Scientology Franchise. Along with this came the aforementioned Hubbard Chart, which tells us what to expect of Clears and natural Tone 4s.

We are first informed that the “Tone 4” has 100 units of “free theta” – while bored people have only 32. Sadly, we do not learn how to measure “free theta” at home, and Hubbard didn’t get around to explaining how he measured it.

 
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I strongly suspect that this is what the estimable Dr Ben Goldacre, in his Bad Science, dubs “sciencey,” but then one of the original meanings of Scientology, decades before Hubbard adopted the term, was “pseudo-science” (“There is science and there is scientology” as Alan Upward put it in 1907).

The Tone 4 – and all Clears are Tone 4 – is “Near accident-proof” and their affinity level is “love.” They also have “full recall” and no “somatics.” Under “straight memory,” we are told that the Tone 4 “Can recall or remember at will anything that has been perceived.”

The Tone 4 is also “fully analytical,” while the lower tones have exactly the same percentage of analytical power as their “free theta” (so only 32 percent for those suffering from ennui). Once again, there is no explanation of these pretend scientific measures.

As to their communicative abilities, Tone 4s have a “strong, able, swift and full exchange of ideas” while at “Overt Hostility,” we find a person “talks in threats, invalidates other people.” Does this sound familiar?

Under “reality,” the Tone 4 will “Search for different viewpoints in order to broaden own reality.” At 1.5 (with a mere 15 free units of theta and thusly 15 percent analytical ability) we find my Scientologist detractors: “Destruction of opposing reality.” For some people, the battering ram is the preferred means of social intercourse.

The “method used by subject to handle others” of the perfected human is “Gains support by creative enthusiasm and vitality backed by reason.” But the Antagonistic 2.0 “Nags and bluntly criticizes to demand compliance with wishes,” and the Angry 1.5 “Uses threats, punishment, and alarming lies to dominate others.”

Every now and then, I suggest that Scientologists should take a few minutes to consider how much they have improved as a consequence of their involvement. This doesn’t mean stating their position on the Bridge, but assessing their own and their fellows’ behavior according to the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation. I am sorry to say that every Clear I’ve met fails to live up to Hubbard’s predictions. But then again, neither did Ron.

— Jon Atack

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Our thanks to a couple of tipsters who noticed that with medical marijuana on the ballot in Florida and appearing to have strong support, Scientologist Pat Clouden is doing what he can to demonize weed with his outfit, Concerned Businessmen’s Association of Tampa Bay. This week, he managed to attract Florida statehouse representative Kathleen Peters and Lt. John Connor of the Clearwater Police Department to kick off a new initiative to spread panic about marijuana with the use of Scientology-printed materials from the Foundation for a Drug-Free World.

 
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Earlier this year, Clouden’s CBA organized an essay-writing contest on the dangers of THC in Tampa schools, which featured Clearwater Police chief Dan Slaughter as a judge. Clever!

In July, Chief Slaughter gave Clouden and his company, Consumer Energy Solutions, certificates at the Fort Harrison Hotel for flooding the town with copies of L. Ron Hubbard’s The Way to Happiness.

 
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Doing the radio thing in LA

Another fun visit with John Phillips and Jillian Barberie of KABC 790 afternoon radio yesterday. We come in at about 20:40 into this…

 

 
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Paulette_Cooper‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ audiobook now on sale

Audible.com has released the audiobook version of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper and you can get the book for free if you’re signing up at Audible for the first time!

Read by the author (that’s us), the book tells the incredible tale of a journalist who was among the first to expose Scientology’s controversies, and nearly paid for it with her life. Go to Audible’s website for more details — [US version] [UK version]

To support the Audible launch, Paulette Cooper joined us for an “Ask Me Anything” session at Reddit on September 29, which covered a lot of topics about the book and about this website.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on October 1, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • nottrue
    • SarahDB

      stopped going, stopped reading

      practicing ignore tech, much happier!!

    • Rasha

      Wow. Would love to see the invites to those parties…..

  • Rasha

    2.4 BBQ Wings in the Rain

    • beauty for ashes

      so you can wash you hands with raindrops?

      • Rasha

        Why bother with that? Om nom nom nom nom……

        • beauty for ashes

          so when the raindrops fall down your red stained face, you look like a homicidal maniac?

          • Rasha

            Oh, YESH!!!!! Definitely 2.4… ^_^

            • Observer

              Need illustrations plz

            • Rasha
            • beauty for ashes

              that cat had to have some vicodin before this shoot, or else it’s real laid back. I cannot even imagine this happening in real life. I hope he got some real good treats afterwards.

            • Rasha

              …you’ve just described Rasha’s life…

            • beauty for ashes

              I picture a cross between a sad emo girl and ozzy ozbourne biting the head off a chicken, red dropplets coming of Rashas face onto a white vneck. devouring madly bright red BBQ wings out of a giant tin bowl. Set in a quaint outdoor garden patio restaurant alone in the windy rain . I just think it’s sort of funny to have streaming black eye makeup too.

      • Rasha

        2.7 Washing Up In Raindrops

  • Rasha

    3.8 Havingness of Cold Feet being Rubbed Warm by Someone Wonderful

  • Rasha

    2.7 Gummi anything

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Eww, no. 1.1.

  • JJ

    Trickle down culture. CoS was formed and nurtured and then taken over by similarly angry, self aggrandizing, insecure, close minded, paranoid individuals. It lich-raly stands (and falls) to reason.

    • Missionary Kid

      Co$ was formed by a greedy, manipulating narcissist who only wanted money and power. The person who took over after him only has magnified the worst of LRH, and there was a lot of bad in LRH.

      You’re forgetting that LRH’s “nurture” included overboarding, fair game, deception, acceptable truths, stolen valor, and, under his primacy, the biggest infiltration of the U.S. government, in order to make sure that the government bent to his will. He took no responsibility for it, when nothing went on in $cientology that was not at his direction.

      • JJ

        That’s what I meant but it didn’t read that way.

        • LongtimeLurker

          On a reread I got it. And good point.

          • JJ

            Ta, I have an infection I think stuff is coming out weird….

            • JJ

              I mean stuff I am writing. Reading Bare Faced Messiah. Nothing seems out of sync with Hubbard, Scientology and the state it is in now. It is what it was meant to be and what it was, scamtech2.0.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yep.

            • beauty for ashes

              can I quote you on that?

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. It almost came out like an Indy would post who hates Miscavige, and while everyone is entitled to their opinion, I wanted to make sure that’s not where you were coming from. :-)))

  • Rasha

    3.4 Obscure Yet Appropriate Movie Quotingness for Hilarious Effect

    • LongtimeLurker

      I hope you’re keeping all these in one file, so I don’t have to do multiple cut and pastes.

      • Rasha

        …damn. Hold on…..

        • LongtimeLurker

          No it’s okay. You keep going, I’ll follow along and save.; )

        • beauty for ashes

          don’t use dust bunnies like dead lron, use tribbles instead.

          • Rasha

            …Hello Kitties with Nailguns… see what I can do……

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m starting a list for the Bunker Tone Scale. I hurt two fingers on my right my hand this morning (not bad, but it’s hard to type), so bear with me.

  • Observer
    • Missionary Kid

      I know that pain.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Oh that is the best. Thank you.

    • Rasha

      4.7 Laughing Out Loud

      …seriously just did!!!! ^_^

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • LongtimeLurker

        Okay, okay. Need to sit down.

      • Rasha

        4.7!!!!!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Rashie, I’m almost asleep but even with my chin in my hand and my eyes half-closed you still raise a chuckle in me 😀

          • Rasha

            ^_^ Hugz!

      • JJ

        Oh doggies where is the rest of that leg?

      • beauty for ashes

        YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!!!! clapping even though you can’t hear it!!!! <3 <3 <3

        • Rasha

          Totally heard it! ^_^

    • beauty for ashes

      this should have 47x upvotes!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    How to tell if you’ve reached the “Serenity of Douchiness”…

    1. You buy a car that looks like this
    2. You get a license plate that says “L11 OTX”
    3. You park it in the Saint Hill Manor parking lot
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BGea1QhAgrV/?taken-by=ms.kulish

    • Rasha

      Extra Free Theta if you park across 2 spaces, +3 if you park across a Wog Handicap spot….

    • Rasha

      -47 if you abuse HDR…..

    • beauty for ashes

      Paint your car a color the mechanics call “Gleaming Urine.”

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Then its a perfect match for the “Steaming BS” inside Saint Hill! 😉

    • anonsparrow

      Nice car. I wonder how many people that would feed if you sold it to a guy who liked cars?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Where are those CO$ food kitchens and homeless shelters anyway? Must be in another ga-LAX-ee ’cause I ain’t seen ’em yet.

        • anonsparrow

          What? You’ve never seen one of those free Scientology centers?

          They are all about helping!

  • anonsparrow

    Hey I got bumped off just now..

    I was trying to say how amazing this planet is!

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Aliens wouldn’t understand L. Ron Hubbard’s definition of the Tone Scale.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2JL0xABlrQ

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    No-one can be at the top of Scientology’s Tone Scale (tone 40 Serenity of Beingness) at all times. That’s just impossible. Not even Old Blue Eyes can:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU2aarQUiU

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Dolly Parton was really downtoned at the BEGINNING of the incident:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTfWmFR2vM

  • anonsparrow

    Kendrick Moxon. HEY HI WHATS UP!

  • anonsparrow

    MOXON.. what’s it like?

  • anonsparrow

    Moxon is a microcosm in what’s oing on right now.

    ICANN anyone? No of course not.

    Back to watching football now.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Here Clark Gable is briefly at 2.6 on the Tone Scale (disinterested):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnTWxpTQt4

  • anonsparrow

    We have the power to rise up but nobody cares.

    Billionaaires.. really? A fucking billion?

    So sad.

    It’s not for me to decide though. Fuck it.

    • meerameezer (wogsy)

      Are you on the right blog? (Backs away slowly)

      • anonsparrow

        oh2 well

  • anonsparrow

    I feel safe here.. please don’t rock my boat.

  • anonsparrow

    Where are you patriots? All quiet now?

    That’s a good pet.. purrrr

  • anonsparrow

    All quiet now.. that’s why I quit caring

  • anonsparrow

    Nah can you imagine if I was like that?

  • Missionary Kid

    THE UNDERGROUND BUNKER TONE SCALE
    0.03 Mac and Cheese Having
    0.9 Comforter
    1.0 Giggling
    1.2 Having Gas
    1.2 making farts in the car
    1.6 Sleepy with Warm Kittehs
    1.9 Toes
    2.1 Peeling Shrimp
    2.4 BBQ Wings in the Rain
    2.7 Gummi anything
    2.7 Smell of Oil Paints
    2.7 Washing Up In Raindrops
    2.8 Picking on Someone in the Bunker
    2.9 Getting Picked on in the Bunker
    3.4 Obscure Yet Appropriate Movie Quotingness for Hilarious Effect
    3.6 Guests
    3.8 Havingness of Cold Feet being Rubbed Warm by Someone Wonderful
    4.7 Laughing Out Loud
    4.7 Silkness

    Love – The most important.

    Please reply to this to correct it, add to it, or comment on it. I’ll be going back through today’s posts to get more. Please put a number to your Tone Scale item.

    • JaxNGold

      Sake-marinated Chilean Sea Bass in Dana Point, CA
      When your 4 yr old comes over to you, says “I love you” and gives the biggest hug ever
      A hot bath with candles and relaxing music
      Good friends and drinks
      Freshly washed bedding
      The smell of a new Christmas tree
      When your husband brings flowers “just because”

      • dungeon master

        ^^^^^^ for freshly washed bedding!!

      • Missionary Kid

        Please, put some numbers to those. 🙂

        • JaxNGold

          Oops…forgot that part…

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ve got some stuff to do, but I’ll get around to adding yours when I get back. Thanks.

    • dungeon master

      Sweet potato fries with garlic salt for breakfast.

      • Rasha

        2.9!!!!!

        • Missionary Kid

          Shall I make dm’s 2.9?

          • Rasha

            Ch’yeah!!! ^_^

    • Rasha

      Oh.Mah.Garsh!!! ^^^^^_^

    • dungeon master

      A whole weekend spent reading in bed.

      • Missionary Kid

        Please put a number to your pleasure. I forgot to add that to the list. Thank you. 😉

        • dungeon master

          Rasha suggested Sweet potato fries with garlic salt for breakfast at 2.9. I think a whole weekend spent reading in bed should be 4.8, but you can finagle it however you wish.

    • Rasha

      2.8 Picking on Someone in the Bunker

      2.9 Getting Picked on in the Bunker

      • Missionary Kid

        Done. I’ll be back much later.

        • Rasha

          Hehe! Lolling. <3

    • UhLasare

      .5 – Grilled cheese sandwich and a cup of hot soup after coming inside on a cold, rainy day.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll put it on when I get back. Thanks.

    • 40.1 – Serenity of a Cat Beingness sitting on your head.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Skip had Tone 50. Which I think was “Not giving a F*** ”

      But if you don’t want to use it, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t give a f***

    • LongtimeLurker

      Ps – Rasha and MK rock.

    • LongtimeLurker

      1.1 New Book Smelling

      • noseinabk

        So what is cracking the spine on new books in the bunker tone scale. I do it with every soft cover and don’t care who knows it.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I…I…need the fainting couch.

          (It’s whatever you want it to be) ; )

    • chukicita

      3.7 Puppies
      3.5 Legos
      4.8 Laughing coffee through nose
      4.9 Coffee
      5.0 Wine
      9.9 Shoops

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Why isn’t wine 39.9?

        • chukicita

          Good catch. Must have mistyped it. Because wine.

    • Sookie Sookie

      5.1 Making fun of DM’s height

    • kemist

      0.0 Feeding the trolls

      -0.5 SIWOTI syndrome

      i Entering a rabbit hole

    • OOkpik

      OOOH, it’s upside down, isn’t it? The “standard” format is to have the highest numbers (tones) at the top.
      I is confused. Never mind…I’ll figure it out…
      ….
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a55554940a590f65e645459caa55630cb305c2a671b2746ce2514db71bd25087.jpg

      • beauty for ashes

        maybe u r flyin upside down?

    • EnthralledObserver

      Talking unpopular Political Perspective – it’s low… I’ll let you number it though.

    • Juicer77

      2.75 Smart questions and smarter answers
      3.1 Kindness during troubleness
      0.5 Oops

  • anonsparrow

    Missionary Kid…

    Have you had a chance to digest the turnover of the internet?

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s really not important, IMO, but it’s apparently a topic for conspiracy theorists, IMO. I would have heard warnings about it from the regular internet gurus. We really haven’t had any real control over it for a long time, or Co$ would have been able to keep the Tom Cruise video off of the net.

      • anonsparrow

        Thanks.

    • grundoon
    • grundoon

      Nerd site Ars Technica describes it as “Y2K 2.0”

    • kemist

      The ICANN thing ?

      No one who actually has any idea how the internets work gives a shit.

      For some weird reason, loons have been howling about it, just like they went cray-cray about the LHC supposedly causing the end of the universe.

      • Frodis73

        I know!! What is going on with that? I was going to vent about it here, but decided not too. People just love to make something out of nothing I guess.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Love is not on the Tone Scale, for love is false and pretend in Scientology.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7df99e3037372e812ef83b59dbac03b9c4e2812b06ccef12ccc4db77cb5a1d22.jpg

    • Missionary Kid

      I will add love to the Bunker tone scale, just not on the Co$ tone scale.

      • Liberated

        Try a little tenderness too.

    • Rasha

      Best.Bomb.EVAR!

    • Liberated

      They don’t do”love”…….No money in it.

    • beauty for ashes

      this picture is adorable, we should make these!

  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • Rasha

      …Re, a drop of Golden Sun…” ^_^

    • Juicer77

      Do-re-mi thing LOL

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    How to solve being a lady’s dancing partner when BELOW ZERO on the Tone Scale?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEzQV75LDL0

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    O/T: Hey, where’s Salin?

    “Iceland’s capital plunges into darkness for stunning Northern Lights display”
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/europe/northern-lights-iceland-trnd/

    • Mymy88

      Ah God! There’s my man! Neil, sigh. Anderson is cool, but Neil is my dreamboat. Get the fainting couch for me STAT. They say once you… never mind.

  • Gib

    couldn’t agree more Jon.

    If everything you posted about Tone 4, will the media ask those questions?

    I wish they would.

  • September Sun. Happy October.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhUs9PQvHs

    • coonellie

      Type O…the blood of the Mongol hoards

  • Jimmy3

    People have been mistaking me for Luke Cage all day
    I’m flattered, but I don’t really see it
    Maybe a little… I dunno

    • Sookie Sookie

      Embrace the hoodie, J3. The world needs all the reluctant heroes we can get.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Are you sure? It sounded to me like they were yelling “get back in your cage” at you.

  • beauty for ashes

    Barrett Oliver..Is he in or out now?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zm4xBG7qg0

    • Frodis73

      I remember there was some talk about him here awhile ago…I *think* he is out, but don’t take that as a sure thing.

  • noseinabk

    So many current scientologist seem to be all about the front group or bragging about personal gains and upping donations that I wonder how many of them actually practice scientology. Next to the snitching on family and friends the tone scale is another example of being stuck in a juvenile way of categorizing people by Hubbard’s twisted views. Look at how Gwen Barnard treated Mark Bunker. How Jenna E. panicked when BFG was placed in front of her. Both used the tone scale to judge people.
    I often wonder how deep these people need to bury themselves in delusions in order to keep believing .

    • Jimmy3

      The Tone Scale isn’t something Hubbard invented. It’s a fundamental part of human nature that Hubbard merely observed and recorded

      Trufax

      • noseinabk

        Yes but many of us grow up and learn that all is not so black and white. So many people now feel the need to lable others based on one belief or choice that it is hard differentiate them from the cos hive mind.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Pssst. Pls help. BFG?

      • EnthralledObserver

        “Blown for Good”, probably?

        • LongtimeLurker

          D’uh. Of course. Thanks

          • EnthralledObserver

            🙂

      • noseinabk

        Marc Headley/Blown for Good

        • LongtimeLurker

          I just blanked. Thx.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Who wants to know about Trump’s Tax Returns?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibcffYFEIJM

    • Tony Ortega

      This is a clever response to the calls for Trump to turn over his tax returns. It’s too bad Trump can’t give a response this coherent himself.

      And I’m sure this is getting a really interesting response at various political forums. But why here?

      I know that part of the reason you’ve been going off on certain topics is some kind of test you think you’re putting people through. But is that experiment worth the disruption you’ve been causing?

      It was sure great to hang out with you in Sydney, and I really appreciate that you came all the way down from Queensland for the book tour. But is it time to rethink the campaign you’ve been on here? We get plenty of the Trump and Hillary stuff elsewhere, right?

      • coonellie

        Makes me think of a heated discussion we had in the kitchen. Being a major in history, I kept thinking of recent history in France…namely Le Pen. It seems a repeat. I appreciate EO wanting to give another side, but I sure wish it would include the baggage that’s included.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I think Tony is saying the side is not welcome… let alone the baggage. It’s not of the right tone.
          And for some reason ignoring is too hard… so safe space we will be… except if they want to bring up Trump.
          Oh… dammit. I am not they.

      • noseinabk

        This is the nicest rebuke I’ve seen you post. Well done TO.

        • coonellie

          Completely OT but since you love books…one of my favorites has become a show…Jonathan and Mr Norell. Have you read it?

          • noseinabk

            Looked it up and saving. I am reading The Path as suggested by science doc and Fair Game. Thanks for the suggestion. I love a good saga.
            19th century drama! Thanks coonelie.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I know… people prefer cats… lots and lots and lots of cats… and wombats and emus… oh, wait, not emus… we eat those… and personal stories and left-leaning political dogma around here.
        I’ll try to stick with the accepted list of OT posts late at night after the main conversation has waned… consider me fairly rebuked.
        It did take you a while though… you gave me lots of rope. It’s incredible I didn’t strangle myself with it.
        😉

    • Frodis73

      Tony gave the best reply ever, but let me just reiterate this point he made again:

      This is a clever response to the calls for Trump to turn over his tax
      returns. It’s too bad Trump can’t give a response this coherent himself.

      I’d also add that I am sure all you supporters would like to think Trump feels this way, he doesn’t. He changes his mind on that daily, so who knows what he really thinks about things.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I found it funny, yes… and a shame he’s not as articulate or he and his team didn’t think of this response himself.

        This exposes the ridiculousness of the call for Trump’s Tax Returns though – which WAS the point. His taxes are a distraction, purely and simply. And Trump is not the one calling for that distraction.

        • Frodis73

          I disagree as every prez has done it for the past 40+ years or longer. No, not required by law, but it is an unspoken thing. Also, considering some of this economic ideas, and claims he has made, etc. the info on those returns would be very relevant imo.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Time isn’t up yet – he still may release them as he says he will.

            • Molly Meldrum

              What percentage likelihood do you think that’ll happen?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Who cares… he either will or he won’t.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Would you put money on it? lol

            • EnthralledObserver

              No – because I don’t think it matters either way. I care about immigration, that’s all. One trick pony here. I’m not American.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Will you relocate please if the wall goes up.

            • EnthralledObserver

              <<< Look at my avi – do you think I'm going to move from here?

            • Molly Meldrum

              Tucked away in the corner. Good.

            • EnthralledObserver

              On the fringes of the internet… yep.

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, I am not holding my breath. I really think the big thing he is hiding is his net worth. He loves to brag about how rich he is, but it is not as much as he claims. Plus all the bragging about donating to charity…all that came up was that one donation, to the clams of all people!!

            • Molly Meldrum

              Oh the Emperor would have no clothes alright!

            • Molly Meldrum

              74% of Americans care.

            • EnthralledObserver

              74% of Americans care about the ‘likelihood Trump will do so’ – I doubt that very much. I think perhaps according to a poll maybe 74% might like to see them released. When he’s President and he still hasn’t released them then maybe complain then? He SAID he WILL – it’s the best you are going to get for now.

            • Molly Meldrum

              74% want to see them. That’s who cares.

        • Nautius Maximus

          The reason he won’t release his tax returns is because he doesn’t pay any taxes. It’s also very likely he’s nowhere near as rich as he claims to be. The reason presidential candidates release their tax returns is to determine whether there are any conflicts of interests. If Trump owed money to the Russians, for example, he would be making decisions based on what’s best for his own financial interests and not those of the American people.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

          • Molly Meldrum

            That youtube advocating trickle down (though would seem the ‘trickle’ ran dry for some of his employees and contractors) is her attempt to respond to the dox.

            Cats out of the bag EO and it’s not pretty – just as we suspected.

            ETA: I’m always very leery of those who argue against transparency.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I don’t know what you are trying to say. A little less covert, please. Huh?

            • Molly Meldrum

              Dodgin’ Donnie gone 18 years (at least) without paying taxes (per NYT published tax records).

            • EnthralledObserver

              So what? Lots of the rich businessmen have the ability to avoid taxes legally. Are you jealous?
              He might fix that for you so you can pay less too. Hillary won’t though.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Jelousy and resentment with 1%ers not paying any tax is an entirely reasonable reaction. At least the tax payers are paying for the shitty “third world infrastructure” he utilises.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Did you forget that he is not responsible for the current tax laws? He merely took advantage of them.
              Do you know what, if anything, he intends to change about the tax laws that might impact you?

          • EnthralledObserver

            Did you even watch the video? All this is covered.
            Good on him if he avoided tax for as long as he could – legally!

            The IRS has his tax returns… they are being audited, right? You don’t trust your government to do their job to make sure all is above board?

            He said he’ll release them. Wait and see if he does. Don’t preemptively whine that he hasn’t yet, when he still could.

            • Frodis73

              Not all of us look at taxes as something evil that should be avoided at all costs. We all have to share this country and we all use various infrastructures and institutions that tax dollars support. It is not too much to ask everyone to chip in. Over the past 30 some years the richest people and corporations have been paying less and less…some pay absolutely nothing…while the middle class pays more. Yet we wonder why our bridges and roads are falling apart, not to mention schools…and that is just for starters. That missing money is hurting the most vulnerable.

            • EnthralledObserver

              What you fail to recognise is that Trump is not responsible for the current tax laws. As a businessman he took advantage of them, sure… but I bet every businessman does. If it’s legal it’s considered moral by your government. If you don’t think it is moral, then change your government. Hillary is not a government change – she is more of the same.
              Trump is new blood – and has stated that changes to the tax system is part of his agenda. If you want simpler, fairer taxes maybe look at what Trump is proposing.
              Don’t shoot Trump for business decisions he made when his priority was his business compared to what his decisions would be if the country was his priority.
              You might not trust that he’ll do it, but don’t look at unrelated past evidence to demonise him.
              I don’t know much about Trump’s proposed tax changes – it doesn’t affect me as I’m not American, so haven’t looked into it. I hope you have though.

            • Molly Meldrum

              If he’s got nothing to hide, why flout the 40 year convention of opening them up?

              He is selling himself on his business acumen after all. There is well founded suspicion he isn’t the business man he claims to be (he’s a recidivist bankrupt for instance).
              There is suspicion he isn’t the charitable person he claims to be.
              Financial transparency would clear all these issues up.
              Most importantly transparency regarding potential conflicts of interest is crucial. It’s utter contempt to believe the American public are not entitled to know if the president is compromised.

              This isn’t a ‘distraction’ issue. It is about accountability. He refuses to provide evidence for his claims, and asks us to take him at his word. He has an opportunity to shut his doubters up but he refuses. What is he hiding?

            • EnthralledObserver

              For the upteenth time – HE SAID HE WILL!!!!!!
              He has NOT said he WON’T.
              He was advised by his lawyers/accountants not to do so after his audits are complete.

              If he never does you may feel vindicated… but until he’s crowned President or defeated on election day, he still might do as he said he would.

            • Molly Meldrum

              The audit won’t be completed before the election. Therefore he’ll evade forensic voter scrutiny of his claims. Voters have a right to have these questions answered before casting a vote. It goes to the heart of his credibility.

              Regarding potential conflict of interest issues – these go way deeper than mere credibility, and avoiding transparency means corruption concerns will always be hanging around. How much does he owe and to whom? Who is he beholden to?
              The nation (and world) has a right to know.
              Transparency is part of what makes a democracy a democracy. It’s not a ‘distraction’.

              ETA: The pretext for why he won’t release them is a further insult. Are we to believe Trump values his lawyer’s advice above the nation’s right to be informed? His lawyer’s advice is treasured above a 40 year electoral tradition of fiduciary transparency?

            • EnthralledObserver

              If you are going to be completely honest… does your vote hinge on seeing his tax returns anyway? Or have you already made up your mind and just hope for more ammunition to point out and say – see, see… he’s a crook!
              I’d probably be pretty safe with my guess, right?

            • Molly Meldrum

              Not the point. Seventy Four Percent Americans want to see them.
              If you’re running for POTUS and asking people to vote for you: you have an obligation to lay your cards on the table so a voter can make up their mind based on all the relevant information. This includes explaining your policies too obviously! This is how it’s done in the US.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I think he’ll get the same votes whether he does or not… so I think the point is moot.

            • Molly Meldrum

              How the hell would you know? Furthermore, if he becomes president – the country has a right to know where he might be compromised re conflict of interest stuff. It’s even a national security issue. You don’t seem to have any thoughts regarding that aspect. You know he owes at least half a billion dollars – could be way more, we don’t know. Nor do we know WHO he owes it to.

              eta How on earth would you know how the tax returns might influence swinging voters. What a ridiculous statement.

            • Qbird
            • Molly Meldrum

              He’s got the Apprentice and his demagogueriness.

            • Molly Meldrum
            • Nautius Maximus

              Being audited and releasing tax returns are completely unrelated. It’s his personal tax returns the public needs to see, not his company ones. If he is being audited, the IRS will be auditing his company, not Donald Trump personally.

              He’s not released them because there’s information in there he doesn’t want people to see.

    • Molly Meldrum

      Well, given what we learnt today, it’s certainly been interesting to revisit Trump’s past tweets on taxes.
      The hypocrisy is hilariously cringeworthy.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/02/trump-taxes-and-twitter-his-attacks-on-others-now-back-under-the-spotlight/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na

      • EnthralledObserver

        I don’t know that it’s cringeworthy.
        Trump is letting you know that he understands how to work the system legally… and consequently he’ll know how to fix it if his priority is the country over his business.
        Do you want him to fix it?

        • Molly Meldrum

          An exercise in comprehension.
          What does this mean?

          The hedge fund guys (gals) have to pay higher taxes ASAP. They are paying practically nothing. We must reduce taxes for the middle class!

          And this:
          @BarackObama who wants to raise all our taxes, only pays 20.5% on $790k salary. http://1.usa.gov/HFZJKH Do as I say not as I do.

          …and this…
          HALF of Americans don’t pay income tax despite crippling govt debt…http://plu.gd/qLa

          You can’t spot the hypocrisy huh. Back to kindy for you I reckon.

          • EnthralledObserver

            The half of Americans not paying tax is probably the half earning below the poverty line, actually receiving the taxes as social security… right?
            Trump is talking ‘tax rates’… not tax dollars. It’s the system he’s interested in fixing.
            Do you want a better system, or not?

            • Molly Meldrum

              Uhh, tax rates/tax dollars who cares —- THIS from a billionaire that pays NONE !!!

              Demanding that others do! All the while endlessly avoiding his own. And he’s a billionaire.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You are being obtuse.
              He’s legally allowed to reduce his tax burden. It is morally fine due to the govt laws allowing him to do so. Get off your high horse unless you personally pay more tax than you are required by law to pay.
              Now, apparently you don’t want the system fixed… so stop bitching and vote for Hillary. You’ll get what you desire and deserve.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Legal yes. But morally fine for a billionaire to pay no tax. Lol don’t know what universe you live in but that is screwed up. Having said that, I don’t begrudge him for doing minimizing tax. But he should stop hiding the fact simply because it’s an embarrassing revelation.

            • EnthralledObserver

              If you don’t think it is moral then CHANGE YOUR GOVERNMENT!
              Hillary will not change this.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Oh ffs, Trump wants the rich to pay EVEN less tax. Trickle down? The totally debunked trickle down… That’s some great tax policy. Payed for with what exactly?

              ETA So everyone gets a tax reduction? Who pays for public services etc when the tax base is reduced like that?

        • Robert Eckert

          “if his priority is the country over his business” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What in the world ever gave you the idea that Trump ever ever ever would make anything a priority over himself?

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Random Useless trivial crap for the day.
    I was watching a soap making video and I noticed that SIRI is the name IRIS backwards. Duh.
    I never noticed that before. I bet you all will sleep easier tonight knowing that world changing fact. 🙂
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed1f88a60e8e1638ea8c071db4b68a7804f2e1c6ea103e5b5973d21585a1884e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f75e88c6ac874af0819d88ac55f0c3d7b1a7bed64f71196045d6031e609fa3dc.jpg

    • meerameezer (wogsy)

      If you’re interested in soap making watch the Soap Queen videos on YT 😊

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I have, they are terrific.
        I made my first 2 batches of cold process soap a few weeks ago after watching them. 🙂

        • meerameezer (wogsy)

          Congratulations!! You’re officially a Soapologist! There’s a soapmaking class in my area, I’ve been meaning to take. It just seems like a fun hobby. Also visit nerdyfarmwife dot com. She introduces the hot process for making soaps with milk. I think it’s pretty cool. 😊. Happy soapmaking!!

          • TheMirrorThetan

            Thanks Wogsy. I bookmarked thenerdyfarmwife.
            I was shitting myself working with lye the first time though.
            I was shaking so bad I knocked over $10 worth of fragrance, down the sink.
            I need to make them tidyer but here they are curing.
            I wanted to make my own because alot of store bought soaps make me itch.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4cea0641b83030f43c037ae057cc6dbc46fe88db41da3ea70e34f2d933f560c9.jpg
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4eb075a6e3b0a8c35ac98a848d713869caebeb5c40298a3ffddd6509921aabe0.jpg

            • meerameezer (wogsy)

              They look awesome. Yeah, , working with lye is what scares the crap out me, especially now that I have a kitten. I’m scared she’ll get into it and her organs will burn. I know the store bought soaps are not skin friendly and dry my skin out, too.

              Did you use the premade box to make them in? I know Brambleberry dot com has premade kits for soap makers – goggles, gloves, etc (brambleberry is Soap Queen). After, I take my class, I’ll probably go there to get the prepackaged herbs and I’ll start predrying flowers to test them in the first few batches. Also, check out Instagram for soapmaking pages. There are tons of them. If you start with brambleberry, you’ll get a ton of page suggestions. When I’m not on the Bunker, I’m browsing soapmaking pages on Instagram. It’s so…so …therapeutic .

            • Frodis73

              I wish I had the energy and ambition to try something like this. I also have very dry skin, plus the idea making things smell exactly the way I like is very appealing.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              I lock the cat out of the kitchen before I even start getting ready and put newspapers down everywhere. I keep the lye in a cat proof plastic tub inside the tub it came in and store everything it in a cupboard Flicky can’t open.
              No I didn’t order from brambleberry as they wanted $70 for shipping to Australia, so I found an Aussie company that buys from them and ordered the oils etc from them. Most of the other bits and things I had around the house like glass bowls and the stick blender just had to buy googles , digital scales and gloves and heatproof plastic jugs for the lye water.
              I wish I lived in the US as it would make shipping and getting supplies MUCH cheaper and easier.
              Everything in OZ is dearer.
              I watch lots of soapmaking videos on youtube because it is therapeutic too. 🙂

            • Kestrel

              Nice!

  • OOkpik
    • Contamminated

      Is it seeming a bit too quiet?

      • OOkpik

        Yes, 6 hours of silence in the Bunker is deafening. 🙂

    • EnthralledObserver

      With the Footy grand finals over for the year…

      The Sounds of Cricket are just beginning…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBpzmA8TTR0

  • Juicer77

    Fall is starting to show her colors. Lovely walk this clear and crisp morning. Happy Sunday, everyone! f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/175ac51d86ee120a214ae44787634ff0328508aea5ffb3e043b86b8eaeab0075.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      Purty.

  • LongtimeLurker

    New post up (I’m looking at you TheMirrorThetan). ; )

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Hey, are you implying I’m boring you to death?
      Coz that is just asking for a spanking across my knee, you know.
      Bad Lurker. 🙂

      • LongtimeLurker

        No, no.

        It was just that as the new one went up, I saw you upvote on the previous one, so I knew you were reading there.

        Didn’t want you to miss out. ; )

  • Dave Reams

    Dear Jon Atac, so why are so many Scientologists angry jerks? I have never understood this. Even Heinrich Himmler, who believed the Nazi SS to be the divine high priests of the master race, wrote that the Jews were like animals who should be treated humanely (on the way to the gas chamber).

    Why ideed does the master race of Operating Thetans among us treat us so crudely?

  • RK

    I always understood that you were supposed to be angry along with the person, rather than angry at the person to coax them up the tone scale. You know, empathy. Letting them know that you are listening and care and are not judgemental. Oh, well…..

    • You’re understanding is getting close. Don’t give it up.

      • So! you are backpedaling the bunker under the radar elle? I might trash you for that!

  • Lighthouse

    Great article, Jon.

    The SO, if not all in the cherch, but still many, are an angry bunch, aren’t they? They’re certainly not representative of what scn practice is supposed to result in by any means but, as you say, neither was Hubbard. It’s all baloney, anyway, IMO.

  • John Davis

    If Jon Atack took the time to look into it, he would find DETAILED descriptions of the Tone Scale numbers and how they were arrived at in Lectures in the early 50’s. But then, this fool doesn’t want to do this. He’s made up his mind and no amount of reality will change that. What an idiot!

  • johninokinawa

    “Scientology advocates serenity”

    It does not.

    “A person who is truly able is normally fairly serene about things. He can, however, express other emotions and it is a mistake to believe that a total serenity is of any real value.”

    L.Ron Hubbard

    Life is full of emotion. All kinds of emotions. A person who is stuck in one emotion all the time or a person who cannot experience certain emotions but can experience others are not healthy.

    “As an illustration, any able composer or author can write in many aesthetic forms and can approximate with his work any level of the tone scale. No artist attempting to interpret life is worthy of being called an artist unless he can view almost in the same sweep both apathy and exhilaration. A good poet can cheerfully write a poem gruesome enough to make strong men cringe, or he can write verses happy enough to make the weeping laugh. Any able composer can write music either covert enough to make the sadist wriggle with delight or open enough to rejoice the greatest souls. The artist works with life and with universes. He can deal with any level of communication. He can create any reality. He can enhance or inhibit any affinity.”

    L.Ron Hubbard