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Drone footage of Scientology’s secretive Int Base: The reaction from former base employees

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[DJI Phantom 4 drone, like the one that took images of Int Base]

It’s been 24 hours since we posted stunning drone footage of Scientology’s secretive Int Base near Hemet, California, and those videos, made by an anonymous drone pilot, are still up at YouTube where you can view them for yourself or even download them, with the blessing of the filmmaker. [Int Base flyover 1 and flyover 2]

We’ve been talking to former Int Base residents who were blown away by the quality of the footage, as well as what they noticed were numerous changes at the site since they were last there.

One of the things that many people noticed was that in the first few seconds of the first video, you can see a soccer game going on.

“There were 14 people playing soccer on the soccer field. That almost never happened when I was there,” Paul Burkhart tells us. “The sports fields were only used on Sea Org Day for the most part. A few brief periods of ‘Exercise Time is Mandatory’ and then the next flap would happen and the sports fields were forgotten.”

 
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Chuck Beatty noted that about ten minutes later in the video, the game is over and the field is empty. Had the drone been spotted, or was exercise time over?

“My guess is that this was shot on a Sunday morning (the shadows indicate it’s morning) during CSP (personal room cleaning and laundry time),” Jefferson Hawkins wrote in the comments section. “Probably Miscavige is not on Base and they are allowing people to exercise ‘if they’ve passed their berthing inspection and if their stats are up,’ something like that. The few staff leaving MCI (the cafeteria) are heading back to berthing, not to post. It would be interesting to do a flyover during crew muster.”

Paul Burkhart agreed with that Hawkins about the time of the week: “This drone flyover appears to be happening in the morning, but not really early in the morning, judging from the shadows. I wonder about the time because the whole base looks really inactive. There are no projects in the driveways and roads around the Castle, one or two joggers are seen, no cars are present at DM’s Berthing or at Building 50 or at the Villa’s guest rooms. No cars are at motor pool gassing up or washing. An External Comm Van goes across the highway to berthing. About 15 people not in uniform are seen leaving the dining building (MCI). It makes me think that this must be a Sunday morning, when staff clean their rooms etc, until noon. I saw one person coming out of the Laundry building with sheets and towels, but I would expect more staff doing that if this was Sunday morning.”

At one point, Int Base housed something like 800 workers, but we’ve been told that that number is way down now. In 2009, the Tampa Bay Times series “The Truth Rundown” revealed that Int Base housed a bizarre prison for executives, “The Hole,” and was otherwise a scary compound where workers were starved and punished. After that series came out, we’ve heard, the prisoners of the Hole are still segregated, but they spend their time in courserooms during the day and confined to spartan rooms in Berthing at night. And the overall population of the compound has come way down as Scientology leader David Miscavige seems to be putting more emphasis on the Clearwater, Florida base, as well as a new studio compound in Los Angeles.

Still, Int Base is largely the way it’s been for many years, with some important differences. Hawkins, for example, pointed out something that numerous other people noticed: Near a roundabout down from Building 50, the RTC headquarters, there was a bare spot that is marked with an “X.”

Sinar Parman tells us this was where Building 119 stood, which housed CMO Gold and the Household Unit. Sinar had a room in the building from 1981 to 1986.

It was the Household Unit that Gerry Armstrong was assigned to when he discovered that there was a huge collection of L. Ron Hubbard’s personal documents and artifacts on the property that he archived and which eventually became the center of intense litigation for years.

Paul Burkhart tells us what was being planned for this spot after Building 119 was torn down: “This is where Building 51 was supposed to be built. Building 51 is where Int Scientology Management staff were to be located. But those staff were all assigned to the Hole. Even when they were in the Hole, this building was still being planned. Probably 200 different space plans were done (no exaggeration) and submitted to Miscavige on how Management was going to be set up. Staff in the Hole even worked on the plans. Eventually my senior and I got plans for Building 51 approved. I did renderings of the new building. An Architect was hired to produce construction drawings for the building, and those were construction drawings done. Contractors provided bids on the cost of the construction. The small building that used to be on that lot was demolished to make room. And a decade later – the lot is still empty.”

 
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Burkhart and Hawkins also both noted that the place in general is looking a bit dog-eared.

Burkhart: “In 2010, there were a lot of plans being submitted (and eventually approved) with regard to Base Landscaping and Lighting. After all that planning, I don’t see that much of it ever got done. Overall the drone flyover gave me a feeling of quiet acquiescence and not much happening. Maybe it was just the serene music track. A handful of people on a 500 acre $250 million base going thru the same motions, day after day, week after week, year after year … decade after decade.”

Hawkins: “The grounds are in terrible shape compared to when we were there a decade ago – large areas of what used to be lawn are now brown, desert landscape. Probably due to lack of staff to maintain it and lack of water. Huge brown spots on the lawns which Miscavige never would have tolerated in the ‘old days.’ Still huge areas of lawn wasting water.”

One big change from previous years was the way a whole section in the northwest has been altered. “All of the buildings out at OGH are gone – Old Gilman House, Maintenance Man’s House, etc. There was a whole group of buildings out there at the northwest end of the property – all dirt now. These buildings were mostly used as prisons for wayward staff. They probably use sections of Berthing for that now, as Tom mentioned,” Hawkins noted.

Also, a swamp in that area has been removed, as Sinar Parman noted. He said that besides the removal of the Old Gilman House (OGH) and “Maintenance Man House” that as nearby, something called the “Wiese House” has been taken away, as well as the “Horwich House.”

 
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Sinar — who at one time was L. Ron Hubbard’s personal chef — also noted some changes to the south fields.

 
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And he wanted to clear up some identifications of structures near “The Hole.” It was at the music studio here that Hubbard’s “Space Jazz” album was recorded, as well as the “We Stand Tall” video. It was also used for Tom Cruise’s courseroom when he visited in 1990.

 
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But maybe the most important thing we left out of our tour of the base yesterday was to pinpoint where David Miscavige lives when he’s on site. In the middle of the compound, on the north side of Gilman Springs Road, there are three rectangular buildings known as “The Villas.” Miscavige’s personal quarters are in the easternmost one, known as “Upper Villa.” Paul Burkhart helped us out with the identity of the other structures around it.

 
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Burkhart spotted a couple of other things in the high-definition footage. “The Berthing Building landscaping has grown in nicely. When I was last there in 2012, I saw staff that had been assigned to the hole out working on the landscaping around Berthing….It looks like there is a sand sorting operation going on by the generator. The base is probably selling sand. A lot of sand washes off the hills.”

And: “The usual piles of shredding in large bags are seen outside the shred room by the dumpsters.”

Isn’t it fun what we’ve learned, thanks to our anonymous drone pilot friend?

And we’re working on some expert help to identify what we can in our next video, coming soon.

In the meantime, we’ll leave you with this question.

Where’s Shelly?

 
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Chris Shelton on ‘Scientology’

 
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  • Jimmy3

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    $50,000 and your dignity, while supplies last

  • Misty-eyed (‘sup)

    Cue the theme to Twin Peaks.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Based on the cult’s current make-up, those 14 people on the field were playing football on a football field.

    • Robert Eckert

      футбол на футбольное поле?

  • MarcabExpat

    Maybe they’ve finally learned about the Streisand effect?

    ….nah, that would mean learning from their mistakes, and that would plainly be out-tech.

  • OOkpik

    Just for fun, here is an old overhead shot of Int Base showing some of the missing buildings and features.
    F5

    • YellowSubmarine

      Ah yes, the mysterious ‘Eagle’ lookout

    • “The Lake” sounds like something from a slasher flick.

      “It’s down by The Lake, where those two kids..”
      “You hush now Ben. These people don’t want to hear about the maniac with a lemon zester who comes back from the dead every National Lemon Meringue Pie Day! These innocent strangers don’t need that kind of exposition!”

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        This cracked me up.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      This photo really shows how much has dried up out there. Just like its aging boy-man, Gold is looking ragged.

    • Techie

      You can see all the old Old Gilman House buildings. Historical note: At one time in the 80s they had horses out there, at another point there was a greenhouse. To feed the Int Base during national emergencies. For a long time there were big trailers out there with PC folders and other records, then they put bunks in them for people who were too “blowy” (likely to blow, or leave, given half a chance). I lived out there for years. Not because I was particularly blowy but to be on call 24/7 if anything went wrong with anything electronic anywhere. There was a trailer out there for the courserooms while the main ones were being renovated. All bare earth now. Supposedly this was planned to be an area for celebrities to be housed while they were performing in films at the Cine Studio. Of course, if Tom Cruise is there he stays at the special guest house behind Hubbard’s mansion. And most other visiting professionals like Danny Sherman have a place at the “Gs”. Somehow I don’t think any feature films with dozens of name actors are going to be shot in the Cine Studio, though it is large enough. But our friend Dave always likes to dream big.

      • Techie

        Now I remember, it was Fernando Gamboa whose horses lived out at OGH. He got in trouble for not taking proper care of them. Fernando was a Gold Musician and I think he was on the Apollo.

        • Nope, not on the Apollo, but a hell of a drummer.

      • OOkpik

        Great information. Thanks, Techie.
        It is good to have you on this side of the fence.

        Nya, nya, Miscavige!!!!!!!!!!

      • pluvo

        Where was the wildflower field for TC and Nicole?

        For those who don’t know: Miscavige heard about the couple’s fantasy of running through a field of wildflowers together, so he had members [of Sea Org, a unit of Scientology] plant a section of the desert with them; when that failed to meet his expectations, the meadow was plowed and sodded with grass. When a flood triggered a mudslide that despoiled a romantic bungalow specially constructed for the couple, Miscavige held the entire base responsible and ordered everyone to work 16-hour days until everything was restored.

        • Techie

          I think that is south of the G’s, near the Tennis Court. Between the Tennis Court and the Golf Course. But others have reported that it was near Building 50. I think two similar overnight disasters tend to get conflated, we did spend all night putting sod down between the 119 House and Building 50 so it would be green for TC to visit, but that was not the Wildflower Meadow.

          • Kestrel

            Because that’s what ministers of a religion do. Lay sod to impress an actor.

            • Missionary Kid

              Sod both DM & TC.

        • As I recall, it was south of the Gs, past the tennis court and east of the now scrubbed baseball field.

          • pluvo

            I read on the old photo: “Golden Era Golf Course – off limits for staff -”
            Who was using the Golf Course? DM with guests?

            • Techie

              For a time the Golf Course was run by a non-Scientology company, leased. That is how it was in 2004 when I left. Before they got it spiffed up for that it was just gradually returning to the wild with a few old buildings and a lot of cottonwood trees. Of course, a lot of the original golf course was changed over to the Par Course and the Lake etc.

            • In the old days Mike Rinder, Lyman Spurlock, Kurt Wieland and I would play a quick 9 on Sunday CSP time. Must be a recent sign.

            • Closed to the public in 2007. Now they do safe-pointing PR events.

              Golden Era remodels golf clubhouse August 21, 2015, Press-Enterprise

    • OOkpik

      Here is another view, another time.
      F5

    • Ben Franklin

      In one of the descriptions (near the Lake), it mentions that sports facilities were used only once a year by crew, and that nowadays they were not being used at all.

    • sizzle8

      Great find! You can also see some of the gone buildings in Google Earth if you use the historical time slider but those images are not as good as this one.

  • Misty-eyed (‘sup)

    When it’s the SO vs the RTC, Dave always plays Striker.

  • I’m surprised that the (relatively) modest drone shown in the header picture had the endurance to capture all of that footage. I suppose the basic technology of batteries and motors has advanced quite quickly, lately.

    “Our next video”… “Where’s Shelley”… it’s not a flyover of… is it?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Don’t you say it. I’ll faint. 😀

    • Dave better be wearing his armored underroos for that.

      • Whatever effect this footage has here, will be multiplied many times by within the CofS by his paranoia and humiliation. You can be sure he will take this out on others.

        I observed yesterday that the ‘design’ of base reveals Scientologys lack of strategic planning and generally dysfunctional ad hoc ‘organisation’. What are they going to come up with for anti-drone defences – will it include ‘run away and hide drills’?

        The poor inmates might not even be able to go outdoors without anxiety, now.

        • Kestrel

          I try to imagine what would happen to the property should it change hands. How do you deal with an office building next to a mansion? The huge production facility? Scientology spent millions upon millions (not including plan changes) to create this thing and much of it would have to be torn down to be useful.

          • Agreed. Considering the base’s location and the bizarre mixture of facilities on it, it’s difficult to see how the site be re-purposed by anybody – private buyer of business enterprise.

            Lots of the building would have to go, and the wisdom of maintaining a verdant artificial oasis in the middle of the desert would certainly come under question.

            • Graham

              It could be taken over by another cult? As one decays another blossoms, releasing it’s weirdly seductive stench upon the desert air.

      • FredEX2

        …Or his very expensive custom made bullet proof dancing shoes so he can do some fancy dodge moves to the tune of those numerous foot bullets

    • Jimmy3

      But they actually have guns there. Things could get mighty interesting.

      • I suppose whether trying to take it out is worthwhile depends on the altitude of the drone, whether the weapon used has the range (shooting straight up, against gravity, something most firearms aren’t designed to do) and whether you can hit it. Winds are likely to affect both your aim and the path of the drone, is it’s unlikely.

        What’s more, even the attempt is illegal and a bullet shot into the air has to come down somewhere…

        I’d set the drone to fly between a series of GPS coordinates, taking manual control only if it came under a credible attack. That would make jamming pointless, too.

        • Jimmy3

          We all know where the bullets will land.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            *snort*

            Thanks J3. I needed that laugh. The Mom-taxi is about to leave and my patience will be tested. 😀

            • chukicita

              Just turn up the music in the Mom-taxi. Then you can’t hear the whining about the hair.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              It’s like you were in the car with me. 😀 That’s exactly what I did. God bless the Rolling Stones.

            • chukicita

              You could put on Willow Smith’s “Whip My Hair” but then you’d have to ride in the car, too.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              That sounds like an early level of Hell. LOL

      • FredEX2

        Really? That almost sounds like a potential Blue Ridge or Waco incident waiting to happen.

        Question of the decade. WHERE IS SHELLY?

      • PickAnotherID

        Then maybe next time DroneAnon could use a ‘Predator’ that can defend itself.

    • Misty-eyed (‘sup)

      Yes. Twin Peaks.

    • Ben Franklin

      This particular drone has a battery life that last around 30 minutes when fully Charged. It is possible to get close to 25 minutes of footage in the air before the battery power starts to run out

      • Wow! That’s a long time, if you plan the flight carefully.

        • Ben Franklin

          This drone model is pretty advanced for its size. It can hover over targets for a closer Zoom or look, It has on screen control. It can self navigate back to its original starting position.

        • There are various packages that let you plan everything ahead of time. Or you can do it all by stick and an eye on the clock if the control range is good.

          http://qgroundcontrol.com/

          • I’d let it navigate itself between pre-calculated GPS way-stations, and only take manual control if things went wrong.

            • Or if you spotted something interesting.

      • You’d want to keep a good safety margin. I don’t think knocking on the gate and asking for it back is an option.

        • Ben Franklin

          It gives you a signal when the battery starts to run low. It also has a feature that you can use to make it navigate back to where it started from. You can make it come back to you before the battery runs out with just a click.

          • Remaining battery power is an estimate based on the voltage during the discharge cycle. It isn’t always accurate. (Parrot managed to trash a lot of their drones with a software upgrade that thought the battery was dead after 20 seconds flying time. They never acknowledged or corrected that fuck-up.)

            • Ben Franklin

              In this kind of mission, If the drone crashes somewhere inside Gold Base, it is probably worth it to just leave it there. In my opinion, trying to get it back may be more costly in the end than just writing it off and moving on.

            • Yeah, I’d call it a write-off. The only problem is that the 4k camera might not be streaming the full resolution video, but only storing it to a memory card.

            • Ben Franklin

              It would be nice if it has a self destruct button.

            • At least forget to apply the identification stickers that the FAA wants. (The legislation forbids the FAA from regulating hobby drones, but that might have changed.)

            • Ben Franklin

              If they want to regulate hobby drones, they are just opening up a pandora’s box. It is like trying to regulate kites or toy cars. Just the volume alone might make it very difficult to regulate, unless they are planning to increase the size of FAA considerably.

            • It’s a chaotic situation with lots of idiots doing stupid and dangerous things. It does need some kind of sorting out. However, the last legislation, that passed that I know of, restricted the FAA from making too many rules:
              https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr658

              SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.

              (a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—
              strictly hobby, within community-based set of safety guidelines(?), less than 55 lbs, doesn’t interfere with manned planes, not within 5 miles of an airport. (condensed)

            • Ben Franklin

              Personally, I don’t believe they need new laws to specifically deal with drone. There are many laws already in the books that can be used to handle stupid actions by drone users. In my opinion there are privacy laws and public safety laws that can become applicable whenever people misbehave or do stupid things with drones.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re not a pilot. Running into one with an airplane is catastrophic for the drone, and at least life threatening for people in the airplane airplane. A bird strike is bad enough, but a drone doesn’t have soft tissue and blood.

            • Ben Franklin

              There are already laws in the books that can be used to charge someone if they were to do such a thing. Flying an aircraft around an airport without permission would be pretty much illegal in most countries I would Imagine.

            • And still we get jackasses interfering with forest fire-fighting air operations.

            • Ben Franklin

              The reason they do that is because most people think of drones as toys while the law defines them as Aircrafts.

            • Missionary Kid

              There were no laws devoted specifically to drones before, and the majority of airports don’t even have a control tower. You can generally fly as low as you want over uninhabited areas, but once there are people aroud, it’s at least 500 feet. That’s why drones are to be flown under 400 feet – to keep them away from aircraft.

              In California this last year, there were two incidents where aerial firefighting work had to be suspended because of drones in the area.

              Now that there are laws on the books a drone operator was arrested for interfering with fire fighting activities.

            • Ben Franklin

              Interfering with fire fighting operation in itself should be illegal even without a drone, you see what I mean. If they wanted really wanted to punish the operator even further, they could have even charged him under laws that regulate the use of Aircrafts. In this case, the drone operator was using the Aircraft in a dangerous manor.

            • Noesis

              I like your Libertarian viewpoint for many matters…but in flying as in brain surgery…there are only a very few ways to do things right…and small mistakes have big consequences.

              Flight regulations are not primarily to “punish” infringers, but instead are there to make it possible for pilots to predict the actions of others pilots when both are controlling vehicles that move too fast for either one to figure it out “on the fly.”

              The consequences of unpredictable flight are too large for drones to not be specifically regulated…especially if the regulations are not standardized on a federal level so that all (responsible) players are adhering to the same rules and are thus able to avoid calamity.

            • Ben Franklin

              I agree that everyone operating flying objects should be on the same page, but you would also admit that under normal circumstance there would not be many standard Aircratfs coming into direct contact with drones as most non-commercial recreational drones fly below 500ft. The laws are already there to regulate operation of Aircrafts, the problem is drone users often don’t understand or know those laws because they are not trained as pilots. In my opinion, it all starts with educating drone users that drones are in fact Aircrafts that should be operated safely in accordance with existing laws regulating aircraft operation.

            • Noesis

              See the new Part 107 FAA regulations. What you are describing is exactly what is occurring. Getting people to “understand” the regulations requires that there actually BE regulations.

              As with anything new, the implementation is evolutionary.

              And by the way…every pilot eventually does fly their aircraft below 500 feet above the ground…unless they are not planning on taking off or landing. Lol.

              The 400 ft. rule for drone operation only makes things safer for regular aircraft flying at normal cruising altitudes.

            • Noesis

              The latest FAA regs (Summer, 2016) are mostly under Part 107 both for drone operation as well as registration. Among the reasons for these standards was to put some order into the blizzard of state and local regulations that were hampering commercial use of the devices:

              https://www.faa.gov/uas/

              https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf

              Drones are already quite important for agriculture as well as companies that have massive infrastructure (pipelines, power / telco lines, railways etc.) that requires routine inspection. The new regs allow these companies to operate across state lines (even though each inspection area is within line of sight) with at least some degree of understanding about what is legal and (at least for now) considered “safe.”

              I know people that are working on enhancing radio controls that use the cellular networks which will provide the technical (but not yet the legal) means to operate commercial drones well out the range of sight and eventually in IFR conditions. It’s still the Wild West, but slowly some degree of sanity is emerging.

              Delivery via drones (ala the testing being done by Amazon and others) is one of the most talked about use cases for the devices…it seems a bit far fetched for low value / non urgent items, but I can see situation where delivery of high value-per-pound items or specialized tools to remote locations might make sense.

              It seems unlikely that one will be receiving a suburban drone delivery of a Snickers bar from Safeway anytime soon…there is just no economical justification for such idiocy (as was learned in the first wave of grocery-plus-delivery startups in the late 1990’s / early 2000’s.)

            • Missionary Kid

              You put it better than I. The other concern is the privacy of those living under the drone pictures..

            • dungeon master

              Point of order, sir! The fact that there are existing laws that apply has never stopped our legislature from mucking them up with new ones. That said, I’m really enjoying the conversation re drones. Like educational TV, only more interesting. Carry on.

            • Missionary Kid

              The preexisting laws didn’t define the usage of drones. It would have been fine, but there are always idiots who screw things up for the rest of us by doing something stupid.

            • Noesis

              But stupid people can kill large numbers of others…for instance…operating a hobby drone somewhere where it gets sucked into the engine of a landing or departing commercial jetliner.

              Privacy matters are important…but safety matters are far more important when it comes to drones. The federal regulations provide an set of known standards that allow people to operate side by side in relative safety…much like the “everybody knows” traffic laws allow relative safety for automobile operators and passengers. Pilots need rules so that they can predict the likely actions of other pilots…otherwise chaos ensues and bad things happen.

            • Ben Franklin

              Stupid people do stupid things that’s why we have laws. Doing something that leads to the deaths of many people would obviously lead to manslaughter or murder charges. Drones are defined as Aircrafts by law, any charges that stem from recklessly or negligently operating an aircraft would apply, whether a drone hits a plane, a car, or a human being causing death. What I believe is needed more is education on how to operate drones safely, and stiff penalties for those who are careless or reckless in the use of drones.

              When it comes to the issue of privacy, I think there needs to be more clarification on what people are allowed to do with Drones in private spaces. I would not want 10 drones hovering over my compound or trying to take a peek through my windows just because they can fly wherever they want. At the same time it is a problem to require that drone operators receive permission before flying over every private property. If the intent of the drone flight is based solely on recreation, it should not be a problem, but if the intent is to collect surveillance data then privacy laws should be applied.

            • Noesis

              “…What I believe is needed more is education on how to operate drones safely…”

              Believe it or not, the FAA regulations that are emerging are actually being lobbied for by drone makers and commercial users, in most cases. The regulations ARE the education for pilots and drone operators.

              It’s the regulations that provide the framework under which responsible people can act in a cooperative manner.

              It’s the same sort of rule of law that allows businesses to operate in a predictable manner over the long term where huge sums of money are at stake.

              And yes, occasionally the regs / laws are used to punish transgressors…but the larger point is to unleash the creative powers of large numbers of people in a manner that minimizes uncertainty and provides predictability while reducing friction and dangerous / harmful behaviors.

              Over time, statutory case law will emerge to further clarify the application of the regulatory rules. That’s among the ways that society “learns.”

              It is never perfect but is much better than anarchy.

              EDIT to add: FAA regulations are administrative rules which are issued by a department of the Executive Branch of government. Technically they are not “laws” but they are issued for detailed administration of matters on the basis of broader statutes (which are laws passed by Congress.) Thus any “case law” that emerges in the future would be based on the underlying statutes and could ultimately effect changes also in the administrative rules. This is probably tl:dr for most folks but thought it was important to add for the sake of accuracy.

            • Ben Franklin

              Education coupled with some restrictions that go towards guarding public safety and privacy is a good thing. What I do not fully support is a whole set of brand new laws covering only drones. What I am saying is that most of the laws needed to cub the use of drones already exist under current laws that govern the operation and usage of Aircrafts. At the same time, I recognize that drones provide a new challenge that may require some further definition or tweaking of the existing laws to ensure that public safety and privacy rights are protected.

            • Noesis

              Fair enough.

              Take a peek here…it might ease your concerns:

              https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=20516

            • Ben Franklin

              All those restrictions make a lot of sense to me and is exactly what I believe is needed. What I have been opposed to is a whole set of new laws specifically drafted to cover drones as if there are no current laws covering Aircrafts.

              Although, I am not very enthusiastic about the drone pilot licensing requirement, especially for tiny drones, as believe that it is just an unnecessary money grab. At the same time, if drone pilot licensing program is being used to educate people on safe operation of recreational drones, then, I am all for it.

            • Noesis

              Just as a final comment – a significant portion of what is commonly called “Ground School” for aspiring pilots is classroom based pre-cockpit training on the fundamentals of aerodynamics AND the FAA regulations so that when a person does eventually get behind the controls of an aircraft (or a commercial drone) for the next phase of their training…they have at least a basic understanding of WHY an airplanes does (or does not) fly as well as the rules of flying.

              In the metaphor of driving an automobile, it’s like studying for the written part of a driver’s training class…done so that person knows that a STOP sign means – stop the car then look in all directions before proceeding…doing so only when it is safe. The person is expected to know this before they ever get into a car to learn the actual mechanics of driving a motor vehicle…and the logic is essentially the same.

            • Ben Franklin

              I totally concur. My only slight issue is that some of these drones are very very tiny, only a few inches in diameter. To require a kid to go through a pilot training program just to be able to fly such a tiny device around his or her parents backyard or farm is what I am finding a bit hard to reconcile with. Other than that the restrictions makes a lot of sense from public safety and privacy perspective.

            • Noesis

              This is where the new regulations get a bit murky. The relevant language of the new regs says this:

              “Part 107 does not apply to UAS flown strictly for fun (hobby or recreational purposes) as long as these unmanned aircraft are flown in accordance with the Special Rule for Model Aircraft (Section 336 of P.L. 112-95).”

              Below the above text in the new regs are two options where drone flight for hobby or recreational purposes might fall under FAA Part 101 regulating the use of balloons, kites, “model aircraft” etc. – OR – might fall under Part 107, regulating drones in particular.

              In some cases this seems to confuse rather than clarify the matter for true hobbyists. As with all administrative regulations there will be a great deal of feedback from interested parties and clarity will eventually emerge (but probably still not total agreement from all parties – lol.)

              Now you see…if Hubbard was in control – he’d just issue an HCOB on the matter…and that would be that. (Lol again.)

              https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/

            • Ben Franklin

              I give them a lot of credit though for at least trying to deal with the issue in a sensible manner. The seem to be going out of their way to try and come up with the best solution possible given the circumstances. I know they could not resist the opportunity to create a new revenue stream by requiring people to pay for courses or obtain licenses, but, I can’t quarrel much with the idea as it helps improve public safety

            • Noesis

              In most cases (not necessarily this one) I agree with you that the tendency of governments is to expand their reach and their “revenue stream” to the point where instead of remaining neutral third parties they eventually become fully vested players in the games they are only intended to referee.

              It’s human nature for all groups aligned around a common purpose.

              What makes governments unique is that they (currently) have a monopoly on the legal use of taxes and violence to get their way.

              That is a indeed a powerful combination that must be kept in check.

            • BronxLaurie10

              I’m finding this whole conversation about drones fascinating.

            • Jeff Jacobsen
            • Ben Franklin

              Thanks. I have to say, I overlooked the fact that the government never misses any chance to rake in cash.

            • g. Register the aircraft (UAS over 0.55 lbs. and less than 55 lbs. can be registered online at registermyuas.faa.gov; UAS 55 lbs. or greater must be registered through the FAA’s paper-based process)

              They’re exceeding their authority under Public Law 112-95 Section 336 with this, but I guess they figure that no hobbyist will take them to court over it.

            • You could apply stickers reading “We Stand Much Taller” with a screengrab from that video…

            • Missionary Kid

              It did, I believe. I haven’t read all of the new regs. (That’s regulations, not regging). 😀

            • dungeon master

              Cue Mission Impossible theme.

            • PJK

              Looking at the specs the Live View max resolution is 720p at 30 fps (depending on conditions). Since it is transmitted to an app via a 2.4 GHz band I’m guessing that they use WiFi as the transmission medium (probably using a proprietary protocol over either TCP or UDP connections). Having done some work on a streaming app myself, my guess is that they use a high compression video codec to keep the required bandwidth low (h264 most likely).

              So yes, the 4K video is recorded on memory cards, but the live stream should give you a reasonably decent alternative stream.

            • There’s already a UDP protocol for streaming video, so there’s no need to invent a proprietary one. The problems are (1) the drone videos are much higher than 720p, and (2) wifi would be chancy over that distance.

              I suspect the pilot gets a low-res 720p video feed, and if it drops frames, no big deal, but the superb videos we saw were stored in a memory card in the camera or drone. (That drone does have a SD card slot.)

            • PJK

              I refer you to the following XKCD cartoon => https://xkcd.com/927/.

              Just replace standard with streaming video protocol!

    • WOG with Attitude

      Yes, these new fangled thing a ma bobbles are pretty cool.

      I saw my first one in the wild at the park. Pretty impressive!

      The prices have come down to the realm of reason. They debuted at $10K (gasp) but now they are available for realistic prices.

  • Newiga

    Yet another tasty treat for us Scientology watchers. Today’s post is a delicious dessert that compliments yesterday’s post oh so perfectly. Thank you, all for your insights about the Int Base and it’s surroundings.

    YEAH!!! Where is Shelly Miscavige??

  • AmoVolare

    Sorry Tony, but this time a big error has been made: everyone knows that the The Hole does not exist! to the point that an informed UB addict has adopted that fact as her username. Truth is truth and you (and other witnesses) cannot mess with it.

    • Ben Franklin

      The are many things that used to exist that no longer exist.

    • Bea

      COB’s premise is probably, “If I think therefore I exist and if I don’t think therefore it doesn’t exist”. I choose not to think about The Hole therefore it doesn’t exist. Simples!

  • Bea

    Mmm – wonder why the 119 House, Horwich House, MMH and OGH are missing? What was at the bottom of the swamp? Why no running track and baseball field? Who sailed away in the missing boat and why has the former running circle and palm tree been abandoned?

    COB – what are your crimes and what are you trying to hide?

  • hansje brinker

    Wanted give a reaction yesterday but let it go.
    But now it is still a topic and people are seen sporting, I give my reaction:
    Nobody consider that these clips are a nice promo for the church and perhaps it is brought out by the church…..?

    • Bea

      They would have edited the brown patches out – and there would have been a lot more people waving to the camera!

    • If it is (which I doubt) they have shot themselves in the foot… again.

      For one thing, it seems that anyone in the area would not approve of the profligate use of water to maintain a pointlessly verdant landscape in the middle of a desert.

      For another, the sight of two over-the-top luxury houses (one for the current ‘leader’ and another for his deceased predecessor) isn’t going to make the taxpayer feel good about the special treatment given to the CofS by the IRS.

      Also, you would expect less subtlety from a Scientology video – you would see more people enjoying their ‘workers paradise’ and waving cheerfully at the drones. They would not be able to resist gilding the lily, either. There would be more people there, insuring the place was at it’s best.

      If more videos of secret facilities appear, and reveal the characteristically excessive security it’s got to be just what it appears to be. Someone (probably a critic) who has taken a technological opportunity to gather information about secretive sites, make it public, and mess with Miscavige’s head.

      • hansje brinker

        I am not sure that is the way the church is thinking. But I can see your point!

      • LongtimeLurker

        And even if you were trying to appeal to the kind of people who are impressed by this kind of thing, these videos don’t do it.

        No editing, only one angle, no music or narration.

        Actually now that I’ve said all that…maybe it is a typical CoS face-bullet.

        • The physicist Niels Bohr, said to a colleague :

          We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct.

          That’s a problem with an organisation as unpredictable as Scientology. I’m sticking with the obvious explanation – but it’s always valid to ask whether Scientology is so out-of-touch with reality that it has shot itself in the foot. Again.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Great comment. Great Bohr quote.

      • chukicita

        It underscores the pattern of behavior by CoS to spend lots of money on facilities that are not open to the public and are not used even by themselves.

        By investing in real estate and construction, they can point to using funds to achieve their mission and retain their tax exemption.

        • That’s certainly true of the ‘Ideal Org’ programme.

          However, looking over this ‘base’ makes it obvious that there is also a lot of unintended waste and duplication.

          They probably present all of this to the IRS as evidence of their pursuing their registered purpose (although I don’t understand how they manage to get away with those two mansions – including one for a dead man) but that’s not the reason it is done.

          The reason it is done is so Miscavige can play at being a superior manager and organiser a place where nothing and nobody are going to show him up for the ineffective, wasteful fool that his is.

      • Bo

        I think our proprietor is too smart to allow himself to be used by the cult in that way.

        • That too – but there’s no need to resort to an argument from authority when there are other reasons why ‘misguided Scientology propaganda’ is not a likely expanation.

    • Bo

      If the cult had actually done this, can you imagine the background music they would have added? “We stand tall?” Or that noise that always precede some big event?

  • FredEX2

    This is all so interesting. IMHO one of the most important things that these awesome drone videos of Int Base seem to have revealed is that like many established areas, old & new buildings, Ideal Orgs and the new SMP…After the ribbon cutting they are virtually empty or basically inactive. This says much about COB & CoS’s claims that Scientology is ‘expanding’ and the high estimates of ‘growing membership’.

    Looks like the off-loading, abuse, imprisonment and mistreatment of members, his personal & selfish demands and all the other things that have been exposed have culminated and caught up with McSavage and his minions…causing so many to leave and few to join. In essence…Scientology appears to becoming passé’ or slowly extinct.

    Cause & effect. Evidence that by his words and actions… DM has become known. And now it’s becoming clearer that he’s really ‘pulled it in’. It doesn’t matter how many buildings are aquired & opened…or labeled ‘Advanced, Super Power or Ideal’….when there are no members left.

    • Also, how many of these buildings were misconceived, and never really used. There are even, apparently ‘ghosts’, small buildings which had a fortune spent on planning them but were never actually put up.

      The man who ‘designed’ this mess is the same man who is running an international organisation. If it takes him millions to not build a house, you can understand why Scientology recruitment is at a standstill.

      • PickAnotherID

        Considering it’s the home of ‘Golden Era Productions’, I’ve often wondered how many of those buildings are more or less props, like ‘Dodge, El Paso, Abilene, etc.’ that showed up with the exact same streets and buildings in every western ever made in the 50’s.

        • Techie

          No, all the buildings are really there and are somewhat set up for what the original planning called for. Every one was planned, the plans were approved by the County, and inspected. Quite a few liberties were taken with the plans and many renovations were done after building with and without County approval, but for the most part they buildings are what they are said to be.There is a master plan that was approved in the 80s, that is why some buildings like Building 50 are referred to with a number. The master plan has many more buildings and is not followed too precisely but it does exist.When they first bought the property they made a fake plan that showed a shopping center and other items just to get the County interested in allowing them to build. Eventually it was exposed as a fake and they had to submit a “real” one, resulting in the building numbers.

          • PickAnotherID

            Why am I not surprised at the idea of a “church” submitting a fake plan to the County?
            “Most ethical people on the planet”, my sweet patootie.

            • Techie

              I guess the most hilarious one is the “Gym”. They still call it the Gym, but it was really a small sound stage for film shooting. This was before the Cine Studio, very early 80s or late 70s. But the County approved plans for an exercise gym. I don’t know how they justified the 20 foot tall doors for the set walls (made nicely out of wood to match the “Scottish” decor scheme. A Gym for Giants?

            • Would that mean that the generous recreational facilities for the inmates which they have claimed to provide were just another ‘shore story’?

            • Techie

              No, there really is an exercise room. Fully set up with treadmills, weight training, ellipticals, the whole deal. But only Dave and his cronies get to use it. There is also the Par Course, where the soccer pitch is that you see and the volleyball courts. If you have an hour off (unlikely) and can do anything but go to sleep immediately (also unlikely) you are free to run around the par course in the dark. You can go swimming in the nice swimming pool you see at the Ship. As long as you are willing to be sec-checked to within an inch of your life and be busted from your post to go wash dishes in the Galley. Not a lie, just an acceptable “truth”.

            • LongtimeLurker

              “…you are free to run around the par course in the dark…”

              Dare to dream.

            • Graham

              And this is Scientology’s idea of ‘A Workers’ Paradise.’

      • FredEX2

        Very true.

      • dungeon master

        That money, put to good use, could have feed millions, or found cures for several diseases. Instead it’s gone to vanity projects..

        • And vanity projects that didn’t even serve the instigator’s vanity, at that. Miscavige’s greatest ‘triumphs’ (e.g. ‘Ideal Orgs’) are laughed at in the wider world – when they are noticed at all.

    • dungeon master

      IMO they screwed themselves when they started forcing sea org couples to not have family. There went a shitload. (sorry tony) of new staff and public. The lessons of history.. Oh, wait! DM dropped out and never learned about the shakers and other no sex/no children groups. SMH

      • Missionary Kid

        Hey, watch your fuckin’ language!

  • Newiga

    Shelly, you have time to write a message for the next drone fly-over… I suggest close to the logo of the Church of Spiritual Technology.

    ETA: F5 http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/message-in-sand-help-stra-417291.jpg

    • Graham

      Sadly it really is ‘the prison of belief’. I suspect poor Shelly believes she really deserves her fate and would find it difficult to understand why he is supposed to try to escape.

      • Newiga

        I know… T_T Gotta try none the less…

      • BronxLaurie10

        If she ever “blows” and decides to talk, imagine what a story she would have to tell.
        She’s his WIFE.

    • Newiga
  • PickAnotherID

    Slightly O/T, but today is: (f5)
    https://www.askideas.com/media/54/International-Literacy-Day-September-8-2016-Logo-Picture.png

    Please be on the lookout for “Applied Scholastics” trying to take advantage of it. You might point folks they’re trying to scam here http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/costrash.htm or to any of the many other pages that explain what ASI really is.

    • Jimmy3

      Why would they encourige people to liter

      • LongtimeLurker

        Stupid Metrics.

  • Frodis73

    Oh wow, video of Twin Peaks?? That is too much! Dave will have a heart attack when he reads that today.
    Thanks again to AnonDrone person, you rock! I know we have joked about sending a drone over Int in the comments before, so it’s awesome you were able to do it.

  • LongtimeLurker

    “Space Jazz”!

    • Bo

      Isn’t that the name Hubbard gave to some dreadful piece of noise that he recorded and called “music”? Ugh! Even when I was in, I couldn’t stand the man. Just thought he was a brilliant philosopher with an obnoxious personality. This was before I knew about any of the space opera stuff.

      • LongtimeLurker

        It is indeed.

        Actual lyrics;

        Psychlo, Psychlo, Psychlo – Kill, Kill, Kill!

      • If you really want to listen to it (and don’t say you haven’t been warned) you might be interested in a few links in this post https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/07/17/battlefield-plymouth-why-l-ron-hubbards-newly-republished-fiction-is-not-going-to-make-an-impact-in-the-uk/

        They might take some finding, because it wasn’t really about Hubbard’s excuse for a recording career.

        • Bo

          Thanks. I think I’ll take a pass on that. My mom x husband brought the recording home and played it. Even he didn’t like it and he liked everything Hubbard.

          • Bo

            Okay. I couldn’t resist. I looked. Loved the article. I tried to play the space jazz, but was forbidden from bringing it up.

            • Oh… both the YouTube and the download links work for me – but perhaps YouTube don’t allow access to the silliest track (the hilarious “Windsplitter”) outside of the UK…

            • Bo

              I got access to them. Was that Windsplitter piece for real or someone making fun. It brought tears to my eyes.

            • It does seem to have been real – and employed what was, at the time, a cutting-edge digital synthesiser.

              What’s truly amazing, is that a lot of talented musicians followed Hubbard’s instructions and put their names to this abomination.

            • Bo

              That really is amazing. Surely they could see that dreck for what it was and they did it anyway. I guess no one is immune to poor judgement.

            • Well… you could say the same of Scientology in general – surely people can see the book “Dianetics” for the nonsense it is. Surely they have doubts about some of the incoherent ‘lectures’ and repressive ‘rules’.

              However. the power of the situation drives them forwards. They cherry-pick the parts that seem to work for them and rationalise all of the other contradictions away.

              I’ll bet that many of those musicians celebrated having worked with ‘Source’ and denied (even to themselves) the fact that he no musical talent whatsoever.

            • Bo

              You nailed it. That’s exactly what I did when I got involved. The situation was way more influential than the actual “scripture.” Just using that term makes me giggle.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You want a link for a work around?

            • Bo

              Sure. Do you know one?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Possibly. Probably.

              So which one is blocking you? YouTube or the .nz link?

            • Bo

              .nz link. It’s okay. I consulted with my old friend Google and found something that worked. I had forgotten how really awful that stuff was. Thanks for your offer.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I didn’t realise until after I asked that the YouTube link was just one track.

              Anyway, to test the link I was going to send you I downloaded that .nz file myself.

              But it’s not unzipping for me.

              I think I dodged a bullet.

              Glad you worked it out.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “The usual piles of shredding” – how very revelatory.

    Heber is down there somewhere, still a prisoner.
    Someone shoulda told him, the poor tortured bugger, that the
    difference between Mormons and Lord Hubris was easy to spot –
    LDS: missionaries
    $cientology: mercenaries

    47 things you learn as the parent of a 7-month old
    1: Feeding him pear sauce you have just made with bushels
    of pears keeps him wired all night.
    2: Singing “Rockabye-Baby” for the 47th time at 2:47 a.m. does not
    accomplish a lot.
    I am too knackered to remember the 45 others
    ( but I can still do subtraction, integration and differentiation,
    something Lord Hubris was incapable of.
    Mind you, my dad was a quantum mechanic.
    Hubbard’s dad was clearly at sea,)

    I will be useless for the duration.
    Have a great Thursday:)

    ps Remember, $cientology
    this is the first Thursday of the rest of your billion years lies

    • PickAnotherID

      Kids + Pears = Major Sugar Rush.

      From an old SFGate article:

      A medium pear with the skin contains a total of 27.5 grams of carbohydrates, of which 5.5 grams are fiber, 1.4 grams are sucrose, 4.9 grams are glucose and 11.1 grams are fructose. Because sucrose is half glucose and half fructose, the total fructose content of a medium pear reaches 11.8 grams. Most other fruits contain about half or less than half of their sugars in the form of fructose.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Wanna trade? 😀

      When he’s a teenager, rather than pears and being up all night, you’ll be hearing about the Shakespearean tragedy that is him having to go to school with a few hairs out of place. LOL 🙂

      • FredEX2

        LOL ! That brings back memories. What I wouldn’t give to have those days back!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          He’s so much like his Dad was that my mother-in-law has become my Sherpa through this mountainous terrain. 😀 She says I’ll miss these days too. I told her I’m not there yet. hehehe!!

        • Baby

          NO WAY !

          • FredEX2

            I guess I feel that way bc I look back at those innocent ‘normal’ teen angst moments with joy…the moments before Scientology blew our lives apart thru their f*cked up sick criminal ‘Fair Game’ tactics. A time I knew nothing at all about Scientology.

            I wish I could go back to my life just as it was before. My kids were in their mid & late teens…and they were and are the joys of my life…

            Shame forever on those that purposely strive to destroy the lives of others in the name of anything…but especially in the name of a ‘Religion’.

            • OOkpik

              (((hugs)))

            • Baby

              Oh honey.. Yes of course.. sigh.. I wish you could go back too honey..

          • joan nieman

            I dreaded waking them up for school. You think they are all dressed and ready only to see their lumpy shapes still under the covers.

            • Baby

              I had one who would get dressed for school .. eat breakfast.. I kissed goodbye and I would go to work..

              she would walk toward school until I was out of sight.. and circle back and go back to bed.

              I would get a call from the school at work.. errrrrrrgh.. I WOULD NEVER GO BACK TO THOSE DAYS FOR ANYTHING.

            • joan nieman

              Well Baby, sometimes I would be sitting at the kitchen table enjoying the peace and quiet of the morning. I would hear the front door open and my younger son would say ” I missed the bus”. This was like about 10 thirty in the morning. Grrrrr!

            • Baby

              Bawwwwwwwwwwwhahahhaha OMG..

              I worked as a bartender when they were young at night..when they were asleep..

              So when they went to school I went back to bed. They would be outside on porch waiting for bus.. and if I had a nickel for every time one of them would wake me up and say..

              ” Mom we missed the bus..” OMG.. They chased each other around our apt. building and be around the back when the bus came..

              They only had to make about 30 steps for the bus while I was throwing Pop tarts at them.. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh..

              Once I ran out of gas and had to walk home in my BATHROBE .. I was livid.. ( There wasn’t sidewalks .. I had to walk in the road! )

            • Stephanie Loving

              Baby your story and visuals are spot on. School and kids and that “late thing” … so happy that those years are behind me. ;o)

            • Baby

              Steph..I get shivers thinking about it.. I always love the age I’m at..Thank God..

              I was just so young.. as a single mother.. I can’t believe they lived through it. .. Wait..I can’t believe I LIVED THROUGH IT.

            • Stephanie Loving

              Right?!?!?!? You made it. Strive on!

      • PickAnotherID

        If you think a boy is bad about that, try living with a shemale of the teen species when something “critical”, like lip gloss, runs out half way through her preflight prep.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Trust me when I tell you, I know how lucky I am to have a boy. 😀 I have friends with girls, my sister-in-law has a daughter that was born the same year as my son and as much as he drives me crazy, I wouldn’t want it any other way. I remember the hell I gave my Mom. I’m just receiving my karmic payback. LOL

          • Draco

            Don’t we all…

          • Missionary Kid

            Girls mature earlier than boys. That means that the psychological changes that occur when they’re trying to define themselves separate from their parents appear earlier.

            It’s the divine right of every teenager to be an asshole. Just don’t expect people to like it.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Hehehehe!! I wrote that down in one of my notebooks the last time you posted it and it cracks me up every time I come across it. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Have you tried the “5 minutes for an attitude change” trick?

              It also helps if you tell them that the transportation leaves in X minutes, then get in the car and leave. If that’s too harsh, make it so there are consequences if they’re not in the car. I had trouble with my youngest, getting him up and having him get dressed and eat breakfast, until I took him in his pajamas, and made him get dressed in the back seat. I gave him an apple for breakfast. His mother called me up that evening and gave me all sorts of shit, but he was NEVER late getting ready in the morning again.

            • joan nieman

              That’s a clever one MK!

            • Missionary Kid

              It wasn’t a matter of being clever, but desperate. I got a bunch of work-related calls when I would usually be urging him to get going. I then had to be someplace after dropping him off, so I reverted to emergency mode, had him grab clothes, and, when he wailed that he hadn’t had breakfast, I grabbed an apple, and he ate that while getting dressed in the back of the car while I drove him to school. Missing breakfast one day isn’t going to kill a normal kid. I basically ignored my ex’s blast that night for sending him off to school without breakfast.

              I think that most people have had the nightmare of showing up somewhere naked, and I tapped into that unconscious fear.

              The next time that he stayed over on a school night, he was not only ready to go early, but he was on me to get going so he’d be there on time.

            • Stephanie Loving

              That’s great kid work. Good for him and good for you. A smart and a loving approach to your boy.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Aw! Hope you get some cat naps in today! Lol good on you for the homemade pear sauce, at nighttime sweet potato/yam or avocado = not as hyper and fuller tummys!

      • chukicita

        Ooo… not sure about avos. Abuelita used to say, “avocado maduro, peo seguro.”

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          They are are hipster mom IT food of the moment for babies… Of course man-buns are also a thing in that crowd. But I will say my baby boy LOVES his avocado (& I love the lengthened sleep he gets from healthy protein and fats!).

    • Draco

      Pears can cause a tremendous amount of gas in the innards as well. While not usually painful gas, the farts can be loud enough to wake you out of a deep slumber!

    • dungeon master

      Oh, the joys of parenthood. I still can’t sleep through the night, or fall asleep when the gkids are in the house til the’re asleep. Enjoy it while it lasts, and enjoy the peace and quiet when it’s gone. 😀

    • Baby

      Poor Pan.. sleep it off.. He should have loose stools today.. so that’s a bonus..

      • joan nieman

        or not!

  • PickAnotherID

    I wonder what the neighbors think about all that open water in the desert, and the artificial green oasis Cof$ has created?

    • Ben Franklin

      Do they have neighbors out there? That whole area looks pretty much deserted except for Gold Base. If there are neighbors, I doubt they would dare complain without the fear of being fair gamed to death.

      • FredEX2

        It’s fairly near Palm Springs. I think that’s the largest town of neighbors besides Hemet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Springs,_California

        • grundoon

          Palm Springs is on the opposite side of some high mountains.

      • chukicita

        The Soboba Indian rez is just down the street, rolling their eyes at the whole thing.

        • Dylan

          When I left I was on the rpf’s RPF past the reservation. I ran through the creek to avoid the main road leading into happy valley. Also avoiding the reservation. Gold has motor bikes to track you down though.

          • Baby

            OMG.. I bet your heart was beating out of your chest. So F*ckin hot on top of it.. errrrrrrrgh..
            f5

            • Dylan

              I was in a really bad place when I decided to end my billion year contract. My 2D had just written a KR on me for originating communication to her. that broke the remaining will I had mustered to get through the RPF’s rpf.

            • Baby

              OMG Dylan.. Yep, that would do it for me. xo

      • Dylan

        Nobody is really close enough to make a fuss. There used to be a public golf course that would get in the news, once in a while. One time I was in LA in the exec mess hall. When ED INT grabbed a paper and was laughing showing all the other WDC/Int execs the new paper. At that time I had never been to Int. On the front page of the paper was a story about gilman hotsprings. Seemed odd to me at the time. Until I got my Int clearance. There was, very rarely a “normal” moment in the sea org.

        When I escaped from the valley I had to run all the way to hemit. Not a lot between them.

        • Ben Franklin

          I am very glad you made it out. It is a prison in the middle of the desert.

        • pluvo

          Is your story somewhere to read?

          • Dylan

            No not really sorry. Not as cool as all the other über cool exs that have left, I’m okay with that mostly. I do love to chat about this subject though. So if you ever want to talk look me up

            • pluvo

              “I did the only thing that I could do and terminated my contract with the Sea Org under the cover of darkness.” ?? 🙂

              edit: Saw it below.
              When I was an “ethics particle”, I was having the idea of jumping overboard and swimming away …….. . But then again, without my passport – what then? Also I didn’t want to be declared and not cause a PR flap (yeah, the kool-aid – sight!)

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              The fact that you had the courage to leave AND hoofed it all the way to Hemet is a very cool story – would love to hear it sometime! Don’t ever minimize you’re leaving – look how many others have NOT had that courage?! Glad to have you here!

            • Dylan

              Thank you.

            • aquaclara

              Write some notes and call Tony. We love stories.
              Go ahead…..we’ll wait. *strums fingers on the table*

            • Baby

              We do love our stories.. Yep … Strumming fingers with ya aqua f5

          • grundoon
        • Baby

          Oh Dylan.. so very glad you escaped..

          Think about it.. How many religions that you know you have to escape from? I hate this cult and what they have done. f5

          • LongtimeLurker

            Well there’s all those religions that had human sacrifice.

            But they’re not around anymore.

            “Scientology – at least we don’t throw virgins into volcanoes!”

            • Baby

              Oh Lurker.. Don’t kid yourself that there are NOT human sacrifices in Scientology..

              Scientology has BLOOD ON THEIR hands.

      • As I recall, they bought a lot of the surrounding property, like the trailer park that they kicked everyone out of several years ago.

  • The 200s consist of the five buildings in the photo. Behind that is another structure that is for sound recording. Inside it is a structure with a boom that spins around and can duplicate the acoustics of any venue where music, etc., will be played. I may be butchering that concept utterly but I am no sound mad. In the last two of the 200s to the right is where Dan Sherman is not writing the official LRH biography. That used to be his office along with the LRH Bio I/C Andy Lenarcic and his assistant Karin Stark. The far left part of the 200s is where RTRC was housed for several years. The “Wiese House” was a small structure where long-time SO members Gary and Carmen Wiese lived for many years. DM once wrote an issue which, as I recall, consisted of this single line: “Definition of incorrigible: Gary Wiese.” The title was somewhat deserved because Gary could be a bully and a lot of people considered him a Grade A asshole.

    • Tony Ortega

      Thanks, Dan.

    • Ben Franklin

      Just curious. are there any underground structures in that compound or everything is above ground?

      • Dylan

        Everything is above ground.

        • Techie

          Well, there are some electrical vaults. The famous one where Stacy died is one, there is another out past the Garage in the desert area. Studio II up on the hill is sort of half underground, what in the Midwest we call a “walk-in basement”. Its original name was “Upper Reservoir” because it was a water reservoir before they converted it into a sound sweetening studio.

          • aquaclara

            Is the Stacy electrical vault visible in the videos?

            • Techie

              I am not sure exactly where that is, but all you would see would be a manhole cover.

            • aquaclara

              How awful. Much like Lisa’s story, Stacy’s will never be forgotten.

        • Tunnels? Like under the highway?

          • Techie

            There are two tunnels under the highway, one for the plebes and one dedicated to Dave Miscavige’s motorcycle.

          • aquaclara

            You can see at least one of them in the video if you look closely.
            ETA I’ll see if I can find it…

          • aquaclara

            Here’s one of the two tunnels. Take a look in Flyover 1, at the 1:06 mark. See the berthing buildings? Look just above the midpoint of the first one. You’ll see a driveway, partially hidden by trees, that goes across the road and comes out the other side of the highway. (There are two covered cars in the parking spaces directly to the left of it, and a small fleet of golf carts in the parking spaces to the right of it).

      • It is all above ground, so far as I ever knew, if not above board.

      • Two underpass tunnels under the road.

    • Techie

      Gary Wiese is a perfect match to David Miscavige, long may they attack each other and leave the rest of us alone. There are three echo chambers for Studio I and I think two more for the Lecture Mixing area (Yes, Virginia, they use full acoustic echo chambers to add reverb to the mellifluous tones of L Ron Hubbard). The one “Joe” is describing has a rotating dual boom mike in it. It spins in both the vertical and horizontal planes, creating a majestic swooping sort of reverb effect which is easily duplicated by the many digital reverbs in the Studio, but really looks cool. There is even a window in the door so you can see it swooping around. This was the brain child of an acoustic expert that Dave was talking to for a while, who also came up with the idea of “Auditorium Synthesis”. Can’t recall his name. But one of the echo chambers is dedicated to a system that allows the mixer to make the mix room sound like the Shrine Auditorium at the push of a button. Special speakers mounted around the walls create this effect.

      • Draco

        All this, of course, being essential to the clearing of the planet.

      • LongtimeLurker

        And they use this to produce…

        ??

        …remind me?

        • Techie

          I think the last album that was actually recorded and mixed in the Music Studio was “Joy of Creating”. Maybe they did “Hymn of Asia” in there. The famous pan shot of disappeared folks for “We Stand Tall” was shot there. But that was all late 80s early 90s, for decades it has only been used for “Event Music” like that catchy ditty for the Success videos. There were supposed to be 10 “Mission Earth” albums, one for each of the books. But without their muse, Hubbard, these grandiose plans have fallen by the wayside. Too bad, it is really a nice studio with 7 floating slabs, super quiet air conditioning, one of a kind two-in-one Massenburg Nova mix board with Surround Sound, 72 track analog Otari and 100s of track Pro Sound digital recording, lots of goodies.

          • LongtimeLurker

            That does sound great. Such a waste.

      • I recall a huge problem with how to allow the boom to spin, which obviously cannot happen with a wire connection. They finally solved it by mounting the boom in mercury on a pivot that still allowed the signal to transmit and still turn.

        • Techie

          That’s right, mercury slip rings. Never have so many sacrificed so much for so little. With the possible exception of the Great Pyramid.

          • Missionary Kid

            At least, the Great Pyramid lasted for thousands of years.

            • Techie

              Yes, MK, and it is always possible that the Great Pyramid really is a navigation aide for a space-faring race that doesn’t have telescopes to see what is on the surface of a planet. Who knows?

            • Missionary Kid

              *Snortle* I don’t think that Gold base will last another 25 years. It’ll be gone sooner if DM croaks.

          • Hopefully they’re very careful with that mercury. Spill any of it, and it’s a major decontamination job. (They’ll get right on it after they do the asbestos, right?)

            • Techie

              Well it is all sealed up in a unit that is up in an attic. I doubt if anyone still there knows about the mercury, it is altogether possible that someone trying to repair the unit could open it not realizing what it is. But what is a bit of hazardous waste when you are committed to rescuing the galaxy from the psychs? Its just your present body, you can always get a new one.

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    OT: Mike Rinder’s Thursday Funnies are up. The date of the IAS regging event at Saint Hill is said to be weekend of 7th October. Hopefully some of the Bunker crew will make a protest of it.

    • Draco

      I wonder if are frantically removing sections of the big tent so that it still looks full even though so few people bother to pitch nowadays.
      I can’t believe it’s nearly October! Ridonkulous!

      • Baby

        They only pitch a fit..hahhaha

        ( That was funny.. I laughed at myself)

        • ze moo

          How long til they’re down to a pup tent?

          • Missionary Kid

            Soon, I hope.

    • FredEX2
  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    God, I accidentally responded to someone on a political site and now he’s bombarding me with Ann Coulter quotes.

    Can you block people on Disqus?

    • Xenu is my Homeboy
      • LongtimeLurker

        What!?

        I was joking, because I assumed you couldn’t.

        I’ll be right back.

        Thank you so much!

    • Ben Franklin

      I believe you can. I remember seeing something about Disqus introducing a new feature to allow users block other users who are harassing them.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thanks. Yeah, I expected it to be in my profile area, but you access it from the other user’s profile.

        Or the drop down from the arrow on the far right of their comment.

        Man…what a relief. He was multi-responding about once a minute.

        Not that I couldn’t hold my side of the argument, but you know…I have better things to do…

        Also, he wasn’t even arguing with me. He was attacking some ludicrous strawman of what he thought I was – it was all nonsensical Limbaugh, Coulter and Baio soundbites.

        Whew.

        • Missionary Kid

          I consider that whatever comes from those people is nonsensical.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah, he was on autopilot. Which we all do from time to time, but that was all this guy had.

        • Ben Franklin

          I try to avoid political fanatics like a plague because most of the time they just repeat whatever their political hero says without even analyzing what it is they are talking about. When you disagree, then they feel like it is their duty to persuade you by repeating the same argument over and over and over and over to no end.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Here’s the funny part – I wrote my initial comment and then thought “this is a waste of time” and deleted it.

            But somehow I hit “Post” instead.

    • SciWatcher

      In case you haven’t found it: click the little down arrow on the right hand side of someone’s comment, it will give you a choice to block user or flag the comment

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thanks. What a relief. Good work Disqus.

        • MarcabExpat

          I’ve got two rogue Bunkeroos blocked now and it feels GREAT.

    • Baby

      I saw her on Rob Lowe Roast.. Despicable. Absolutely has NO sense of humor..She was only their to Hawk her book.

      • Missionary Kid

        Supposedly, the audience bood her.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Downloaded but not watched yet.

          Looking forward to it.

          I also have a problem with Lowe, so it should be great!

        • FredEX2

          An appropriate response IMHO.

      • LongtimeLurker

        She is exactly where she deserves to be.

        She was on the first day of her Trump book tour when he 180’d on deportation. To her credit she made a joke about it being the shortest book tour ever, but I bet she was devastated.

        Karma*

        *Not for being right wing or a Trump supporter, other readers, for being a leech, an exploiter and a liar.

      • FredEX2

        She’s comes across as a very nasty hateful person. Someone you wouldn’t want to poke with a stick for sure.

        • Baby

          The stick was up her ass..

    • Juicer77

      You know better than to poke a bear. 😉

      • LongtimeLurker

        I do!

        I stopped myself but somehow still hit “post”.

        Big Lurker hands.

  • FredEX2

    Since today’s report ended with the renewed question ‘Where’s Shelly?’ I typed that and various other questions like ‘Miscavige enslavement & banishment’ in Google search to see if there might be any more recent news or info…and up pops this quite interesting old missive written by a person who shall not be named… https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/david-miscavige-the-cheater/ It doesn’t mention Shelly but says a lot about Miscavige in this past writing that contrast greatly with the same author’s very recent posts. Uh oh. Sorry. I can’t bear more discussion about MR, truly been enough…but thought what was written in this particular post might be interesting.

    • Frodis73

      ??? Please explain what I am missing

      • FredEX2

        Glad to have it cleared up now Frodis73. xo

        • Frodis73

          Who wrote that and why is it interesting re: sci other than they are close in locale….that is what i mean by what am I missing.

          • FredEX2

            I think when I was searching about Shelly Miscavige today, prompted by the last comment in today’s report “Where’s Shelly?”…there were a few articles about DM & Shelly’s marriage and the word ‘banishment’ etc…then something about Shelly sadly asking if her husband was still wearing his wedding ring. So I started searching for that and up pops a few things about Miscavige ‘cheating’ and this missive above came up. It really doesn’t mention Shelly, or ‘cheating’ but takes Miscavige to task like many don’t dare to…and I found it such a contrast to the recent posts written by ‘this person who shall not be named’ ( I really DO NOT want to discuss him as the last few days have been enough and isn’t my intention at all ) Just thought a few might find the contrast from this past post to the recent ones from this week to be interesting. Please forgive the mention of it. I cringed truly. It was the contrast between this prior old post and the recent one that grabbed me.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I remember that wedding ring story.

            • FredEX2

              I’ve been looking to see if McSavage does wear his wedding ring…does anyone know if DM still wears it ??? I can’t see it in recent pics bc his hand is either blurry or not in the photo.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, in any recent pics where we can see his hand he has had it on.

            • FredEX2

              Tks Frodis! Now I have a question about his ‘fidelity’…and if anyone has ‘word cleared’ that for him? When I think of Shelly being isolated from everything…and everyone…living alone and solitary bc she had a disagreement with her husband or he simply grew tired of her…I feel sad at the cruelty she has endured. I don’t know anyone willingly giving up all their rights to life, liberty and happiness to seclude themselves as she has been. I don’t believe for a minute that this was by her own choice…unless she was given a worse choice as an alternative.

            • pluvo

              That he wears a ring says nothing.

            • Frodis73

              Now I get it; I had to refresh. The link I had was to an entry all about Palm Springs. Lol. I was like wtf does this have to do w/ anything?! 🙂

            • FredEX2

              Yep. I goofed. I copied and pasted the wrong link at 1st but it’s fixed now.

            • Frodis73

              That is okay, I do it all the time!

            • FredEX2

              ~ 😘

      • Baby

        Doggie.. MR .. has been defending DM in present days.. ( since law suit was dropped) and Freddie was saying..

        Look at the contrast between how Marty used to write about DM .. and how he writes now.. Huge Difference.

        • Missionary Kid

          Baby, The link sent you to a Wikipedia entry on Palm Springs. That’s what makes it weird.

          • FredEX2

            Sorry, my error. Fixed now.

            • Missionary Kid

              I hadn’t refreshed.

        • Frodis73

          Oh I know about all that bs, he called me a troll over there because I told him he should publish his entire statement that he made to Tony since he seems to be complaining that TO only put out 1/20th of it. His followers over there think Tony is the bad guy and holding or slanting his statement for this too. F’n idiots.
          eta-clarity

        • FredEX2

          Tks Baby. That’s exactly it.

        • Chee Chalker

          Yes, that link is a must read because of all the hilarious COB
          stories. David Miscavige is a complete and utter tool.

          Here’s what Marty had to say about Mike back in the day:

          “Rinder is a lot stronger than people might think. One reason POB went after him so often. Mike could take it. And he took it many a time like a man. All of those cowards still at Int know that Mike RInder is a man that they will never be.”

          Also, check it out for the lulz as, once again, Marty extols us with his basketball virtuoso skills and uses word like ‘cat’ to describe COB. ‘That is the kind of cat he was’

          Warning: lots of ‘acks’ ‘in comms’ and other scilon speak

          • Baby

            Bleh..

            ” That was the kind of cat he was.. ” Who is he describing Sammy Davis Jr.?

            • Chee Chalker

              I know…..I’m embarrassed for him

  • Draco

    “But maybe the most important thing we left out of our tour of the base yesterday was to pinpoint where David Miscavige lives when he’s on site.”

    Oh dear. I predict that DM sleeping quarters and all his stuff will be moved out of there NOW NOW NOW!!!
    All the SPs now know where he lays his weary head. Can’t have that.

    • MarcabExpat

      That’s been pointed out before, but yeah, why miss an opportunity to punish slaves by making them tear down a mansion and rebuild it a few hundred yards away?

      Actually I’m kind of impressed that he never took over Bonnie View.

      • Juicer77

        He’s afraid of Hubbard’s BT’s that infest the place. XD

        • gtsix

          “Who’s Hubbard?”
          — current staff of Int base.

          • Juicer77

            True!!

  • Kim O’Brien

    i am a little ” bummed ” out that no one flashed or mooned the drone .

    • Missionary Kid

      It could well be that no one noticed it.

    • Ben Franklin

      Must have been a very hot day.

    • Baby

      We would have Kim! And a couple of others from HowdyCon I’m thinkin bout.

    • Chee Chalker

      Or that there wasn’t a ‘HELP ME’ sign or an SOS made out of coconuts ( a la Gilligan’s Island episode where they try to signal astronauts flying over the island)

      • BronxLaurie10

        Gilligan’s Island! It always bothered me that the professor could pretty much build his own radio but they couldn’t build a boat. Or even a raft? LOL

  • dungeon master

    So nice to be able to put a picture with a name. Thanks Tony and Anon!

  • Draco

    I’m a tad confused. Everyone refers to the road bisecting Gold as Highway 79. According to Google maps that is actually the Gilman Springs Road, and Highway 79 runs to the West of the compound, not through it.

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re right. Highway 79 has been moved, but there’s still too much traffic on Gilman Springs road to close it.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “Highway 79 has been moved…”

        With OT powers?!?

        • Draco

          If OT powers worked, the road would have been closed long ago!

          • Princess Squishy

            if OT powers worked he wouldn’t have had his opulent bedroom built right next to the road in the first place.

            • MarcabExpat

              If OT powers worked they would never have needed a desert hideout to begin with.

        • Missionary Kid

          No. I assume that traffic on Gilman Sprins road was too dangerous because of the curves, so they built a straighter road, or widened one to the west to relieve the traffic. There is still reason for people to take Gilman Springs because of the Soboba Indian properties.

          • Techie

            No, it was a decades long campaign by Dave M to get the highway closed so the early morning commute traffic would not wake him up before his noon-time arising schedule. His bedroom was right by the road and though they put up trees, a grape arbor, bushes and so on the traffic noise still gets through. Several have gone to the RPF or worse for failing to get the county to close the highway. When I was last there it was still Highway 79 (2004) but I guess they finally moved the highway designation to another route. But people still drive through there to get to San Jacinto.

            • LongtimeLurker

              “…his bedroom was right by the road…”

              Gee that seems like the kind of basic error an idiot would make. How did such a Big Being screw it up?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup.but it’s actually easier to take the new 79, which is called the Ramona Expressway, to go to the town of San Jacinto. It may be easier to take Soboba Springs to get to Mt. Sac college from the north.

              If nothing else, Highway 79 relieve some of the traffic on Soboba Springs Road.

            • Juicer77

              What a prick.

            • Sunny

              You could have saved some pixels by using a D instead of PR.

            • Juicer77

              I try to be ladylike. 😉

  • LongtimeLurker

    As others have pointed out (including Tony many times, and Panopea in yesterday’s Führer reaction) DM and anyone else left in the upper hierarchy must feel increasingly cornered.

    25 years ago, if you’d told them…

    …that famous and/or senior members would blow with lots of publicity…

    …that there would be dozens of Scientology-negative documentaries, news reports and books disseminated across the world…

    …that staff would be forced to hide from and avoid regular protests…

    …that the very idea of Scientology would become a punchline on sitcoms…

    …that personal things like DM’s food, drink and clothing preferences would be widely known and mocked…

    …that DM and Source would be widely mocked via easy-to-use image manipulation software…

    …that a remote-controlled, unmanned aircraft would fly over one of their secret facilities and gather high-resolution footage to disseminate around the world (legally)…

    …all while membership was crashing, straight down and vertical…

    …they would have laughed in your face.

    DM (and whatever hierarchy is left) must feel paranoid, persecuted, unloved and under attack 24/7.

    • ze moo

      All of these reasons are why membership is crashing. That and all the regging……

      • LongtimeLurker

        The regging (which they can’t lessen because of the dwindling membership base) ends up pushing people away.

        Thus shrinking the membership even more.

        It’s a self-perpetuating death spiral of short-sightedness and ineptitude.

        Like a moth to a flame.

        Sucks to be them.

        • ze moo
        • Princess Squishy

          You have a way with words, very nicely put

          • LongtimeLurker

            Thanks. I used to get paid for it.

            Not a lot.

            Or often.

        • richelieu jr

          True stroy- my old film teacher made a whole film out of Moth wings called ‘MothLight’.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Whaaaa…

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          The relentless regging makes people hide. While they are hiding they start thinking.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Hopefully, right?

            I mean surely you’d be like “wait, if we’re the most ethical people on the planet, and everything’s going great and my life is better than ever, why am I afraid to return my church’s phone calls?”

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Sure. I still get calls decades after. If things are going so well why waste valuable time and energy on a someone who has no interest and keeps hanging up on you. I’ll be damned if I change my number just because of this. It must be brutal for the caller. It would be easier to cold call Amway out of a phone directory.

            • LongtimeLurker

              God, can you imagine?

              They’re making dozens of calls a day, some to people who must now loathe Scientologists.

              And if the poor sap’s stats drop…

    • If you had told critics and ex-scientologists that, despite all this, they had accumulated enough money that they go on pretending to be a viable organisation and persecute people (in the courts, and by other means) they would have been incredulous, too.

      When is it actually going to collapse, or will it continue for years more, administered and defended by mercenaries and bereft of actual members?

      • ze moo

        While DM makes all the decisions, those decisions are more and more, being carried out by hirelings that have signed the nastiest NDAs possible. NDAs are easier to invoke than inspiring loyalty.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’d even be okay with your last option.

        What I really worry about is if the exploitation of non-whale members gets worse, along with the abuse of staff.

        I think a repeat of, for example, Lisa McPherson’s manslaughter is unlikely (not because Scientology is more caring, but it’s probably more gun-shy). But that doesn’t mean that the day to day treatment of the vulnerable can’t be even more unpleasant than it is now.

        Yeah. Either way I fear it will be around for years.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        $cn “jumped the couch” awhile back, perhaps at the point where they put out that hilarious “$cn, coolest religion on earth” T-shirt and everyone everywhere jumped on the J&D bandwagon by substituting “cruelest” for “coolest”…that’s what I call brand identity penetration!

        We’ll probably have to wait for the historical long view backwards to reach consensus on the precise moment when all of those enraged and evicted BT’s finally got together and said, “No more!” Looking back in retrospect, it might seem clear that the tide turned right about the time that Gibney’s doc, “Going Clear” premiered and the many first-hand accounts of lil davey the savage’s sadistic and violent treatment of his imprisoned underlings were made public, prompting the tiny terrible tin pot tyrant to settle every lawsuit against him and the cherch that could result in him having to to testify under oath in open court. (You can run lil davey, but you can not hide forever)

        Alternatively, the $cn ship ‘o fools might have struck its fatal iceberg when the cherch pissed off Anonymous by trying to take down that truly hilarious made-for-clam-eyes-only vid of TC putting the “Z” in unhinged zealotry from the internet and ended up making things so, sooo much worse for themselves, both across the entire virtual world and out in front of their cherches simultaneously.

        I know, I know, I’m probably being glib here because there wasn’t just one moment of epic fail on the part of the cherch that is likely to be seen in retrospect as the cause of its inevitable collapse, but many, many fails that accumulated in a relatively short period of time to give the cherch the evil reputation that it so richly deserves.

        Young mothers know instinctively and with no thought required to shield their small children from danger and that same reflexive reaction towards the cherch is quickly becoming society’s initial aversive response to it too.

        • Some events preceded a damaging landslide. Whether the caused the landslide or just encouraged other people to fight back too, is a matter of debate.

          However, the Anonymous campaign brought about an irreversible change. After that, fewer people were afraid of the CofS and realised that they could attack from obscurity. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/hacker-hoaxer-whistleblower-spy-a-book-about-anonymous-and-scientology/

          “Going Clear” seems to have marked the point that the mainstream media was no longer afraid of the CofS – they may still get taken in and used, but they don’t run away from any Scientology-related comment so quickly any more.

          I think accurate membership &/or Recruitment figures (which we don’t have) would show that the CofS, as a membership organisation, collapsed years ago, and it’s only by giving money to greedy mercenaries (e.g. PIs adn Lawyers) that they are keeping up appearances.

          The events which bring about the final collapse will likely occur inside the bubble, and we won’t have much idea of what happened until ex-members recover enough to tell us.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Exactly! Whale milking has taken the place of donations for actual services as the cult’s primary source of revenue. And once you’ve closed the gates to new folks getting onto the bridge, then the cult’s inevitable demise has already been determined. No new public flooding the (mostly non-existent) missions and Class V orgs means no auditor course completions, which tanks your well done auditing hour stats, no one going up lines for advanced services, and with all of that eventually resulting in an increasingly uncleared planet and the collapse of the BIG Con!

            Like a big heavy cargo jet running on fumes, the cherch of $cn is on a glide path to destruction. Helping it out of the skies just a little bit sooner is a “star-high” goal that I can completely get behind! Providing an accurate current active membership number would be a great way to put the lie to all of the cherch’s many lies about 10X this, and 43X that, expansion. I’d bet money that the yer-to-year graphed trend line of a number of key indicators (such as paid membership numbers, auditor training course completions and well done auditing hours) are more like straight DOWN and vertical.

            Lil davey the savage continues to live a life of indulged and pampered luxury, as if he was in Power, when in reality he’s been in Treason for a very long time. Finding the real Why for $cn’s off-a-cliff plunge toward self-extinction needs to be found by those who truly care about preserving whatever there is of value that might remain after three decades of disastrous dictatorial rule by this terribly, tiny, tin pot tyrant.

            • Perhaps that’s the tipping point that historians will identify in retrospect – the period when ‘statuses’ became more important than auditing because

              a) There just wasn’t enough money in Scientology ‘training’ any more
              b) Management wouldn’t even acknowledge that there was a problem, once they found they go direct for the money instead

              The remarkable thing is that, from the outside, the collapse in recruitment is clearly the most urgent existential crisis facing Scientology, and they are in institutional denial.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              That would be my bet as well. After all, how long can you continue to milk the same old whales, especially if all the money that they’ve already donated has made less than no difference in expanding $cn?

              Someone has got to begin to notice that, despite having lots and lot of very nicely refurbished Ideal org space, no one is using it to train auditors and deliver auditing!

              What’s amazing to me is that lil davy + evil minions could run this big of a bait and switch scam for so long without it all crashing down around their ears. Apparently no one ever asks to see the real stats on the 10X (or is it 43X) expansion that $cn is supposedly undergoing.

              It’s almost like there’s a certain percentage of folks who have some sort of deep-seated need to be conned!

            • I do believe that part of the reason people go along is that member accept the propaganda, and don’t get out much (thanks to Scientology).

              Everybody believes that their org is the only one that is empty, and all the others are ‘booming’. ( phenomenon called ‘pluralistic ignorance’, which explains a lot of other things about Scientology) https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-5-pluralistic-ignorance/

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Yea, I was going to suggest that as a possible explanation as well.

              In order to understand how folks of average or higher intelligence can swallow such ginormous whoppers whole, you have to put yourself in their shoes and imagine ‘reality’ from their perspective.

              If you’ve been ‘inoculated’ against any and all media portrayals as either being sincere, but uninformed , or purposefully portraying $cn in a negative light (’cause that’s what the psychs who control the media do), then you’ve been conditioned to avoid them as useless inculcaters of entheta, except for maybe the weather report 😉

              Then, on top of this general admonishment that the media in general is “bad,” there’s the more specifically enforced Ethics targeting that you can run afoul of, like the example Tony just published above. No one wants to get called into the principal’s office and have to account for your actions or be coerced to rat out your peers, so folks learn to either comply or become more wily and furtive in their transgressions against whatever the group think prohibitions are.

              But $cn adds yet another level of mind control into the mix through the use of the e-meter as a lie detector, with the constant threat of being dragged in for sec checking and thought policing hanging over your head as an ever-present cloud, ready to rain on your personal parade at any next moment. And it is at this point, when a person deeply internalizes this dread of the possibility of having their thoughts police and begins to avoid, for example, having negative or counter-intentioned thoughts about Dear Leader that the mindfookery reaches a qualitatively different level of mind control than any other group (except maybe the CIA 😉 has ever achieved before.

              In a snitch culture, where even your supposed best friends are ready to rat you out (“for your own good”), and where it’s not just your actual acts that will get you in trouble, but your internal “pre-crime” thoughts that you will do it as well, even the brightest of the group learn internal thought-stopping skills that act to inhibit the natural questions that simply arise in the minds of everyone else regarding, for example, why our local org is so empty, despite the claims of $cn’s “straight up and vertical expansion”.

              In that sense, $cn makes you stupider, just like any other overarching system of governance that uses fear-conditioning and the coercive threat to modify members behavior. What’s new and qualitatively more insidious and evil is the internal thought policing that members learn to exert upon themselves at a subconscious level of cognitive processing. Implicit within this diabolical system of mind control is not just the threat of being punished or even banished from the group in this lifetime, but the risk of losing your “eternity,” the one chance of getting out of the “trap” that’s been afforded to True Believers in 75 million years.

              Pretty potent thought control stuff! In fact, it’s even a worse threat than the old school Christian threat of being consigned to hell for all eternity because in the $cn cosmology you also stand to lose the possibility of regaining your native state super powers; you can’t become the demi-god you was once were! And that’s a whole lot to hang over the head of any Kool-Aid drinker!

            • That’s pretty much my view – that Scientology is a socially constructed ‘reality’ whose depends on compliance and social isolation.

              Isolation is probably the keystone. Without that nothing else would work, and so much of Scientology practice functions, one way or another to maintain it.

              The long hours spent ‘training’ and ‘disseminating’; the demonization of the ‘wog’ world; the specialised jargon; the presentation of Scientologist as an elite group engaged in saving the world… so much of it is designed to keep you inside the ‘bubble’ with not enough time to really sit and think about what you are doing.

              For Scientologists there a variety of carrots and sticks – but they accept the strange regime they live under only because they can no longer imagine how they would once have seen this as an outsider.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Excellent points! It’s so very strange that in our increasingly interconnected and instant communication world $cilons can remain so closed off from it all and be so utterly oblivious to its “straight down and vertical” actual stats.

            • Well… social media – and even Google can enclose you in bubbles of their own.

              If you let them, search engines will learn your preferences and only present you with things that you are likely to agree with. This is the unique proposition offered by search engines like duckduckgo – they don’t.

              Young people in Scientology, from what I’ve seen here are just as attached to social media as their wog contemporaries . However, they only have ‘friends’ who are Scientologists and their interactions are watched over each other and the OSA.

              If your mind is closed, any communication is going to be limited.

              One of the things you often read here is accounts from exes describing

              a) How difficult it was for them to go online and seek out ‘entheta’, even when they were completely disillusioned.
              a) What a revelation it was to discover all that information – that was there all along.

        • chukicita

          BT LIVES MATTER!

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Hilarious! The NEW BLM movement 😉

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Ain’t it great!? KSW everyone! (Keep $cn Withering)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGmRKWJdwBc

    • Princess Squishy

      “DM (and whatever hierarchy is left) must feel paranoid, persecuted, unloved and under attack 24/7.”

      Then everybody is doing their jobs nicely

    • richelieu jr

      “DM (and whatever hierarchy is left) must feel paranoid, persecuted, unloved and under attack 24/7.”

      See, And yet some here insist that Scientology doesn’t work!

      Scientology works exactly as intended.

  • aquaclara

    Remind me. This was all kept secret from other Scientologists and the public until when? Sometime in the 1990s?

    Anyway, just a reminder of how incredibly far all these stories have taken us. Thanks, Tony and exes and Anons and everyone who consistently presses to get the secrets out.

    • Draco

      When I started looking on the internet in 2010, the location of “Int” was still supposedly secret.

      • Ben Franklin

        I wouldn’t be surprised that even today there may be many active Scientologists who have never heard of Gold Base, they would probably say that it is all a big lie made up by Scientology haters.

        • aquaclara

          Wow to both comments….
          I guess it’s too much to hope that there is free wifi there, so still-ins who manage to have a phone can pop in here…..

          • LongtimeLurker

            KICKSTARTER

            A wifi hotspot hidden in a van.

            We drive it right up to the fence and park it.

            No password required.

            Who’s in?

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              They’d still be scared to look at the Internet though

            • Or find someone with a nearby hill who doesn’t like his neighbors. You could “paint” Int with a high gain wifi antenna.

        • richelieu jr

          I wouldn’t be surprised if even today there may be many active Scientologists who have never realized that Jim Carrey’s butt was not really talking in that film, or that the kids in South Park aren’t real.

        • richelieu jr

          In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised that even today there may be many active Scientologists who don’t know that there may not be many active Scientologists.

    • richelieu jr

      I knew where it was when I lived in Canyon Country just north of LA in the late 80’s, early 90’s.

      Those freak-shows Lyndon Larouche and Tony Alamo were out infecting the desert around there at te same time as well. I would get the strangest flier son my windshield every night. And spacey êople in ‘vajayjayed’ jean jackets with sequins and those ‘Village People’ Biker/Cop’ silver studs, would come and try and hand me stuff as well.

      Good times.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Jesus. Lyndon Larouche as well.

        Is there some kind of Hellmouth out there?

      • Missionary Kid

        The area is now populated with housing tracts and franchise store ghettos.

  • flyonthewall

    a drone filming drones

    • Ben Franklin

      ….and drones filming drone with a flip cam

  • Draco

    For those who missed it, as I did, some more hilarity from Pan:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mv4H3hzXaQ

    • Baby

      Oh Draco..I love you..I missed it..

      Pan.. You have outdone yourself. I just woke up to this..What a way to start the day.. hahah

      • Juicer77

        Even Tony commented that he was ROFLing!

        • Baby

          He absolutely nailed it Juice.. hahahhahaha

      • Draco

        It’s one of Pan’s best, I think 🙂 Lots of digs at lots of current topics!

    • Illinoisian

      Thanks so much, Draco. Both of us here in the corn belt missed this one’s debut but made up for it this morning. It’s brilliant and shows how many new developments there have been, generating fresh material.
      Also: “One clam short of a chowder” is going to be part of our vocabulary from now on.

      • Christinadina

        i missed it too, thanks! so, so good!!

      • Draco

        I liked that one too 🙂

  • EnthralledObserver

    I was wondering if the drone would be visiting Shelly’s prison… er… home next. Maybe, huh… maybe.

    • Juicer77

      That could be a hint… *shrugs*

  • richelieu jr

    OK, now I am getting irritated (and perhaps a little paranoid?)!

    I already got drone footage a couple of years ago for my documentary. It was one of the trump (sorry) cards I was keeping up my sleeve. I was going to tie the thing together geographically.

    Which one of you has been spying on me? (what if turns out that another drone as images of my drone flying over?)

    I am trying to be amused, but I really feel disappointed (agin!), like the rug just got pulled out from under me… I am ruined!

    If only there were some sort of organization that coule find my ruin and give me some sort of course to improve my ‘not getting beat to the punch by Alex ‘Documentary Machine’ Gibney’ skills, or perhaps simply a way to get my ashtrays to behave properly…

    Mind you, such an organization could not be run by just ANY man! He would have to be made of pretty sturdy stuff– Like that X-Ray plastic or an unbreakable comb! Like Tom Cruise, but.. even SMALLER! A sort of ‘Mini-Me’ to Cruise’s ‘Mini-Action Man.’

    I guess what I am imagining is a concentrated concentration of pure malice and ankle-biting discipline crushed down into a diminutive yet discrete martinet from which not even light, let alone a fucking SP could escape. Some sort of relentless, pitiless butt-plug that is up your ass all day and never lets you forget it.. A sort fo ‘Fifty Shades of I AM NOT GAY!!!!” that jumps from Power Pose to Power Pose, to Posing with a Movie Star in front of their Power Twins Motorcycles, all the while remaining the brutal little thug-plug atop a pyramid scheme of human misery.. The ‘Colon Blow’ of kid-sized dictators with kid-sized dicks…

    Like if you shaved Danny DeVito and shoved him in one of those thousands of unsold Jack Reacher action figures with real reach-around action moulds? Like that. Like if you shaved Curious George as punishment for his being too curious about your missing wife, or possibly if he turned out to be curious about what people looked like with their skin off, or if three-Card Monte could be turned into a religion, then dressed him in a little bell-hop costume and put him o a podium so he could see the tops of people’s heads for the first time…

  • LongtimeLurker

    For those following the Rath of Bun;

    A) the number of comments on his Theroux post has almost doubled just in the last day. I haven’t read them yet, so it may all be Oracle replying to Oracle.

    https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/louis-therouxs-scientology-movie/#comments

    B) this;

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/louis-therouxs-scientology-documentary-accused-of-deception-122508093.html

    As you were.

    • Juicer77

      “Continue to harass him” as of September 7, 2016??
      ETA: is the author buying what Rathbun has told him or being a lazy reporter regurgitating old information? Or is there now new harassment going on?

      • Observer

        I believe he considers people telling the truth about him to be “harassment.”

        • Mrs. V.

          Just like most scientologists.

        • LongtimeLurker

          “Stop oppressing me by having your own opinions.”

          Yeah. Call the Waaambulance buddy.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yahoo news … Possibly just retyping whatever they get in their inbox.

    • Missionary Kid

      He keeps referring to his Christmas posting. So misunderstood….

      • LongtimeLurker

        But it was so straightforward!

        …said no one except Oracle.

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, as if it actually explains things. Not only that, isn’t even living up to what he writes in that post. If he’s truly done with the subject, then why is he running around making some pretty hardcore accusations, withholding the evidence, etc. He makes my head hurt.

      • That was the bong-hit “quantum” one, right?

  • Juicer77

    COB must be slipping. Used to be a day when he could handle adding more facilities while still micromanaging the ones he already had. He appears to have neglected some of the duties only-he-can-do.
    Perhaps he’s losing his grip on all these tiger tails?

  • Baby

    f5

  • Sunny

    My mom spent about a year and a half at that Int base, while abandoning her 11 and 13 year old children in LA. I guess it was all right because we had all kinds of freedom and no-one actually watching us.

    • Techie

      Feral kids. A friend of mine told me he used to skate board down the halls of the medical center right across the street from the Complex. You were lucky though, sounds like you never got sent to Happy Valley like Jenna Miscavige. That was almost a Lord of the Flies situation.

      • Sunny

        Early 80’s I don’t think they allowed kids up back then. Or very few. Even Guillermes daughter was at PAC then without parents.
        Jenna wasn’t born yet.

        • Techie

          That’s right, everybody was in the Apollo Training Academy or ATA or something like that.. When I was on the PAC RPF in ’83 we used to go over there and try to do some cleaning every day early in the morning. There were actually some infants on the Int Base when I arrived in ’84 but there was a big flap that “the barley formula was being squirrelled” (as in it was making the kids sick, duhh) so they got rid of all the kids. Probably there is more to the story, that is just the RPF rumor that was going around.

          • LongtimeLurker

            General advice; if you find yourself (not you Techie) saying phrases like “the barley formula is being squirrelled” please reconsider your recent life choices.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Awww, the Elron-approved baby formula recipe…now there’s a story that deserves to be told in more detail and through first-hand accounts.

              Elron and all the quack remedies that he pulled from out his whole-track ass are hilarious at just so many different levels, but certainly not to all of the poor folks and their children who suffered through them.

              The health-endangering effects of taking massive dosages of niacin, then baking your ignant ass for long hours and weeks at a time, just never seems to penetrate the anti-science minds of $cilons until its their liver that explodes.

            • I have tried to describe Hubbard’s ‘baby formula’ here in three parts. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/l-ron-hubbards-baby-formula/

              They include two medical papers with actual case histories which describe just how harmful it is.

              Would you believe scurvy, malnutrition and a potentially lethal infection from one of the ingredients?

              Incredibly, the medical case histories record how some parents returned to ‘Hubbard formula’ even after it put their kids in the hospital, whereupon they had to be treated again, by the same doctors.

              That’s the truly crazy part.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              I would believe it, unfortunately.

              Thanks for the link, I’ll read up on your work soon.

              Whatever you might think about adults’ rights to believe whatever crazy crap they like and waste their money on anything they choose, almost everyone can empathize with the plight of innocent children who’ve been subjected to the kind of abuse, neglect and health-endangering experiences that the cherch at one time routinely visited upon the heads of all who were unfortunate enough to choose Sea Orgy parents.

              And of all the many and varied ways to expose the cherch for what it is and to discredit it in the eyes of the world, one of the absolute best is to tell the story of how the children of Sea Orgy staff were abused, neglected, deprived of an adequate education and made to endure forced labor under harsh conditions.

            • There’s noting I can add to that. Neglecting innocents is one of the worst things you can do, to my mind.

          • Sunny

            Escaping the ATA was very easy when I was 11. We did not stay there. It was a nasty place with screaming dirty younger children. There were places all over the ATA to jump the fence. And very easy to disappear in LA, down a street, an alley. There was no way for nannies to chase us down.
            I would constantly be forced back to the ATA and a stern look and liability assignment, ethics conditions, etc. Then once I was not being watched, out I went again.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              It’s a great story line angle that, to my knowledge, hasn’t been pursued. Perhaps you and a few of your peers from that time could see that it gets told, either through your own creative efforts or in league with someone like Paul Haggis.

              Whenever families within a group abandon their children to the care of strangers while, supposedly, serving some higher good, the results are always the same: chaos, neglect, abuse and the exact opposite of what they’ve dedicated themselves to achieving.

              I’m thinking that a mashup of Days of Heaven ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Heaven ) and Lord of the Flies would be a perfect approach and potentially result in a great fictionalized tale of all-too-real events that would go along way toward revealing the dark heart of this abusive cult!.

            • Sunny

              That would be cool.
              Have you seen the movie “Room”?
              The child in the movie is always seeing the positive side of things. It is a very fascinating look into the mind of a child in those circumstances. They see things quite differently.
              For instance, there was never a time I thought things were “not right” or “so bad” (as a child) that I HAD to get away from it. Yes, I wandered for fun, but always came back. Like the child in “Room”, it was his familiar place. And everything (that was within his understanding and reality at the time) was provided for him, and so, in a sense, for that child, was almost like a perfect world. At one point he wanted to go back to it… because that world was safe for him.
              (But he was lucky that he had a parent who really did watch over him, so the situation, though similar, is not the same).

            • Harpoona Frittata

              No, but it got rave reviews and I’m really looking forward to seeing it.

              If you haven’t run into that fantastic 1978 Terence Malick movie with the Ennio Morricone score, Days of Heaven, you should check it out. It’s the voice-over narration, done by the film’s child star, that gives it its unique perspective and poignantly bittersweet appeal.

              The world is as it’s presented to small children by their parents (or their surrogate parent childcare attendants) until they explore its boundaries in the larger world. Any insular cult-like micro-culture world that’s markedly different than that which surrounds it makes for a great story-telling opportunity. And that’s specially if you were raised in the Loyal Officer’s stronghold – where the fight to save this prison planet is more important than one’s own kids – all surrounded by and shot through with the pop culture of the moment in La La Land…quintessentially Americana and trippier than any hallucinogen that I’m familiar with 😉

              So, are you still in touch with any of your feral childhood friends? Have you given any thought to doing something creative with your RL story?

            • Sunny

              Feral childhood. Ha!
              Yes, many of those friends I am still in touch with. Many walked out in disgust when old enough. Lots of them. Its good to see so many of them doing well now.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m wondering if the ones who walked out are disconnected from their parents.

            • Sunny

              At least half of the kids I know that walked out are not disconnected from their parents. But 100% of those parents walked out too.
              Trying to think of any where the child walked out and parent stayed…. in that situation, I think parent would have disconnected. (Mine did). I can’t think of any other kids (from back then) who walked out and parents stayed.

            • Missionary Kid

              Even when parents are abusive, kids often yearn for a relationship, even when it’s toxic. The desire for family connections can override common sense.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              I’m glad to hear that you and your childhood friends are doing well and remain in touch!

              Any thought to doing something creative with that very worthwhile life story?

            • The sociologist Stephen Kent has something to say about 2nd generation members of high-control groups getting out as soon as they possibly can. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/education-and-re-education-in-ideological-organizations-and-their-implications-for-children/

              This seems to another way in which Scientology membership is being eroded away to nothing.

            • BronxLaurie10

              That’s so horrible.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              In the early 80’s while visiting LA there used to be an area of Celebrity Center that had lots of kids that you could see playing from the sidewalk. I knew a guy who worked there. You reminded me of that when you said screaming dirty younger children. He had a similar way of describing the conditions. It caused him to leave.

            • Sunny

              We called that area the “gulley”, which is no longer there. A lot of the Scn teens would hang out there and play. Public Scn kids and Sea Org kids (who were not being watched, managed to sneak out of ATA or CEO) would hang out there and play.
              The CEO was right next to the gulley, but it was meant for the children (which LRH defines as under 6 years old). Older than 6 were at the ATA, which was by Big Blue (about 3 miles away), and we were all supposed to work at the Cadet Org – which was at the ATA -, learning how to become Sea Org members by being run by small versions of Sea Org members… tiny children who, in some cases, LOVED to be bossy. There were tiny tyrants in training. Lots of them.

          • BronxLaurie10

            So sad. Children, unlike the adults can’t say “I’m here of my own free will (no matter how badly I’m treated.)” I’ve read about how horrible conditions are (or were) in Scientology “day care”. I guess there aren’t any kids anymore because they don’t allow Sea Org people to have them, right? I hope not. But, church or not, I don’t understand how the authorities didn’t come in and take the kids out.

            • Frodis73

              I agree, that is maddening….esp since they went after FDLS for similar things. Though sex abuse is what kick started it…we all know that is rampant in scientology. Speaking of Tony wrote a great story a few months (?) ago about a sci run day care and sex abuse. It was for public sci’s not SO, but still awful.

        • Missionary Kid

          I hope that you’ve overcome your childhood. Freedom can be a good thing, but it can also lead to some dark corners for a kid who’s abandoned.

          • Sunny

            Yes, thank you!
            But sometimes I think my kids can do more… and my husband reminds me their age…. back when I was there age…. yikes. Very different!!!! Very!!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the opinions that I have is that kids are, at the same time, too overprotected by fearful parents, and have powers (electronic and otherwise) that offer many chances to get into REAL trouble.

              I always felt that as a parent, my job was to figure out when my kids should take the full brunt of the results of their actions so they could learn what the world is like.

    • FredEX2

      ((hugs))

  • nottrue

    Stop filming me….No you stop filming me….You stop first….No you stop first…

    • flyonthewall

      I have one simple request. Freakin drones with freakin laser beams on their heads!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey did you have that virtual-sportsball dress-up thing?

        How’d it go?

        • flyonthewall

          meh. I “drafted” some guys apparently and idk what happens next. I guess we wait and see how they do in real life or something

    • FredEX2

      LOL

    • Ben Franklin

      Which one of those two is Louis Theraux?

  • madame duran
  • I doubt very much if Chris Shelton’s remotely in favour of corporal punishment (being an ex-Sea Org member), but I suspect he might make an exception for the moronic James R. Lewis… (Refill inkwells and beat erasers):

    • LMAO. Thanks Mark. I’m afraid that Lewis could use a few smacks with the switch there.

      • Well, if pretending to study “NRMs” for decades hasn’t knocked any sense into these pseudo-academic clowns, maybe you can… 😉

        I wonder if you’ll elicit a response from any of them—or do they rate themselves far too high and mighty to heed a mere YouTuber?

        • I doubt any of them will see my work on this. I’m not reaching out to their world to tell them about it. It might be interesting to hear some feedback from them on this but I think most of them would just think I’m a loser apostate who doesn’t know what I’m talking about because I don’t have any letters after my name.

          • ‘Twas ever thus with the hacks of academe 😉

  • UhLasare

    Oooh, please let the next video be of the CST Headquarters!

  • ze moo

    Pam Bondi and Donny Trump remain on the NY Times most covered list. Still no mention of the clam connection, but Bondi must have had ‘fund raising’ events with every shyster and meth maker in Florida.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/07/us/politics/donald-trump-pam-bondi.html?mabReward=A6&moduleDetail=recommendations-0&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

    The Washington Post echoes this story too. I love a pile on…

  • pluvo
    • ze moo

      Math never was Lrons strong suit.

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientolomath. Nothing ever adds up.

    • kemist

      I guess that’s the same math that’s used when calculating the amounts that need to be donated to buy their Ideal Morgs.

      “So the building costs 10 million, we have fundraised 5 millions ’til now, so only 10 millions to go guys !”

    • BronxLaurie10

      Reminds me of “The Producers”.
      This one owns 50%, and this one owns 75% and this one owns 100%, etc.

      • Sherbet

        Or the Garcias’ sponsorship of the sci cross atop Flag.

        • ze moo

          “I donated all the door knobs”, “No, I donated all the door knobs”. Fighting ensues….

          • Sherbet

            “Wait, wait, wait, kids. There are enough door knobs for all of you. The Valley Org probably needs some.”

            • Scream Nevermore

              Scientology appears to be full of knobs. Not necessarily of the door kind.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Gotta love that math.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Lurker sleep now.

    Thanks Bunkerfriends.

    Thanks Tony.

  • ReallyMGM

    David M really loves his dogs. Puts them as far away as he can on the compound. I wonder what sort of a/c those animals have? Or are they cooking in their kennels? Are they even there any more. Sorry…animal person coming out. I’m not PETA, but very pet should have a minimum standard of care and living in a kennel in the desert has special concerns.

    ETA There are remote a/c and fire detectors for RVs and situations where you can’t be on site with animals in kennels 24/7, but I doubt “base” knows about them and uses them.

    ETA2 Background-I’ve shown dogs for decades and have seen more tragedies than I have wanted to see related to dogs getting overheated (and a generator fire) in RVs and vans. Some were due to negligence, some due to accident and equipment malfunction. It makes me furious when I see dogs kept in a windowless cinder block building that far away from the main compound.

    • Graham

      I believe Dave (please call me David) makes everyone salute his dogs, so I’m guessing they get the best of everything.

    • pluvo

      I’m sure he treats his dogs better then his staff.

      • ReallyMGM

        I’m sure he does, but seeing those kennels that far away made me wonder if there are some dogs that are not being treated well. The beagles might have special status, but not others.

    • Susan black

      Hopefully there’s good staff caring for all animals in that place. Dave shouldn’t be allowed close to any of them.

      • ReallyMGM

        At least one of those dogs came from a show breeder. I have spent hours looking for that dog in show results. Then I hit the AKC website for ownership. As far I I can tell, DM does not own an AKC registered beagle. He still might own the dog as many breeders give/sell their “finished” dogs to people sans papers after they finish their championships. I wonder if there is a Scientologist dog breeder who arranged this for him….still looking.

        (My mother has a Ch poodle that was given to her this way…good home, breeder gets credit, mom gets wonderful, 1 year old dog. But she does not have AKC registration papers for him, even though she is his owner.)

        This is just my thing, being a show person for so many years. I have done many background checks on my owners, and I have to say the CoS thing has never come up in an interview. It will now!

        • Chee Chalker

          Are there restrictions on breeding the dogs that are given away? I would think some people would see that (getting a champion for free) as a money making opportunity

          • Scream Nevermore

            If the new owner doesn’t get AKC papers with the dog, they can’t breed it for show purposes, because the pups won’t have papers either.

            • Chee Chalker

              The reason I ask is because sometimes I see advertisements for puppies with ‘championship bloodlines’ but then they say ‘not AKC registered’. Which I always thought was odd
              But now I know! Thank you!

              If I may ask, why don’t the owners breed the winners and sell the pups with papers? Too much work? Or that’s just not why they are in the business (of showing dogs)? Seems to me, one could make some money that way

            • Scream Nevermore

              Some owners do, and some don’t. One of my sisters had a dog whose bloodline was full of champions, but the owner only bred a few pups, including him; my sis bought him as a pet, and never bred him. Or they might have ‘flaws’ that mean they’re not championship standard, regardless of how impressive their bloodline is, so they can’t be shown and usually not bred from. If they are bred from, their offspring are sold on as ‘pet quality’.

          • ReallyMGM

            Without the papers the dogs can only be bred by the owners on the papers. Many breeders place dogs in companion homes and retain breeding rights. But the person without papers can’t breed the dog and have registered puppies. Most breeders placing dogs like this, however, spay and neuter the pet before it is placed. Of course this is reputable breeders.

            ETA: Reputable breeders keep a close watch on their puppies and dogs after they have left their homes. The homes have been thoroughly vetted before they are ever allowed to take possession. Since his (or Shelly’s) name does not come up as an owner, someone else retained AKC ownership. He just has physical ownership.

  • (((dagobarbz)))

    You’d have to fly the drone up in Twin Peaks to find Shelly.

    • Missionary Kid

      Hopefully, it’s already been done.

      • (((dagobarbz)))

        Gotta watch out for the numerous pine trees up thar. And bears. That’s why there are security blades on the inside of the fence. A women told AGP it was because of bears. Keeping them in, perhaps?

        • Techie

          There was actually a bear that wandered into the Swamp area back before they fenced it all in. But what complex logic makes that require inward facing razor wire? AGP probably just blew their logic fuse with all his bullbaiting and an illogical conclusion popped out.There are carpenter ants, regular black ants, raccoons, rattlesnakes, black widow spiders, brown recluse spiders, tarantulas, lots of Kangaroo Rats, roof rats, regular nasty rats, possums, skunks, owls (both hoot and screech), coyotes and bears around the artificially watered fake wilderness of the Int Base. The weirdest critter I ever saw up there is a big red bodied wasp that I saw dragging a tarantula into the bushes. Apparently they lay their eggs in the tarantula and the babies feast on the body. Perfect mascot for the Int Base.

          • Missionary Kid

            Any information on the wildlife up at Twin Peaks? I would imagine a lot of other wildlife would be up there.

            • Techie

              I’ve never been there, no personal information. I’ll bet you’re right though.

          • (((dagobarbz)))

            How lucky you got to see a wasp and spider interaction! I’ve only seen it once irl, several times on nature shows.

            I do not care for your Gold Base ants. If you sit anywhere for a minute, they come and bite you.

            • Techie

              Still, the black ants at the Gold Base don’t set your skin on fire like the fire ants at the Florida base. And there are no roaches as cocky as the water bugs in Florida.I did not realize what I was seeing when I saw the wasps on the road to the Old Gilman House, only later when I watched a Nature show did it make sense.

            • (((dagobarbz)))

              Maybe there is footage at Gold of me leaping up off this little wall and hopping about flailing my hands, slapping those damn bitey ants off my legs!

            • Techie

              I’m sure there is footage. It may be that you ran into some of the carpenter ants (black with red middles). When I got down from a ladder outside Del Sol one time I looked down to see one of those evil critters doing his all for his colony, all six legs in the air and hanging on with his pincers.

            • (((dagobarbz)))

              Yeah, it wasn’t the little black guys. They got mean ants at Gold Base!

          • No fire ants?

            DALE: These fire ants are well-organized, highly trained insects. They’ll swarm all over you and sting you all at once without warning on a single command. It’s how they killed L. Ron Hubbard.

            There was a story that there was an ant invasion of DM’s bathroom, and he didn’t notice until he sat down on the toilet.

  • eekc

    Damn, I just posted my first ever Scientology-based comment (have been reading the Bunker for AGES and recently started dipping into MR’s blog with mild distaste) over on said MR blog, in response to one of The Oracle’s wonderful “””wise””” and lengthy comments, and it hasn’t shown up…! Does it just take a while, or are they ‘screened’ before being published…?

    It was in defence of Tony (I’ve obviously been brainwashed), so if it’s the latter, it ain’t showing up, and I forgot to screenshot it. 🙁

    • Observer

      Marty screens all posts and censors or edits however he wants.

      • Ben Franklin

        The internet is a jungle and he has to know that he can not fully control what people say about him. If they don’t say it in his blog they will say it elsewhere. At least in his blog he would have the chance to respond or set the record straight as he sees it.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Let’s face it, someone from there will be here reading what’s said so they can go back to his blog and talk about it. Then they can all sit around bad-mouthing us all. The irony being that what they say over there is so much worse than anything said here.

          • Ben Franklin

            I always find it funny that they accuse the people in the Underground Bunker of exactly the same things they do.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s called projection, but since that’s a term from psychology, they probably don’t acknowledge it.

            • Techie

              “The overt [immoral act] doth speak loudly in accusation.” – L Ron Hubbard

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup, LRH stole the concept.

      • felix

        I didn’t realize he could edit contributions. With that capacity to interfere with the written word he shouldn’t be criticizing people who don’t use their own name, as he does from time to time.

        • My blog is provided free by WorldPress. I could do this if I wanted (but don’t). It’s definitely possible.

        • Observer

          Marty is quite the hypocrite.

          • Frodis73

            He just commented that Tony can’t lie straight in bed. He is really ticking me off. such a hypocritical blowhard. They have such nerve to say Tony edits comments over here when he absolutely does NOT while MR does and admits it. SMH

            • Observer

              And that’s why I don’t go there. Nothing of value is missed.

            • Frodis73

              I know I shouldn’t, but it is a train wreck….plus he really pissed me off saying my comment that he won’t show was trolling. (eye roll)

            • Observer

              He’s bullbaiting you. Get your TRs in!!

            • Frodis73

              lmao, i need to run right out and do the comm course so I too can yell at ashtrays with confidence. I think I have that one down already though, cos I get pretty pissed when I can’t find one.

            • ithilien

              its just a distraction, bones he throws to keep the issue off the fact he got a payoff and now has to kiss ass… Special message to the blowhard in the bunker who was looking back at every post of mine, i told you so!! it was so obvious when the switch occurred. rue the day! makes me think the guy complaining i was a troll, WAS the troll!. lol!!

    • Techie

      It may take a while for Marty to get around to screening it. Give it a few hours, if it still doesn’t show up you have received the mighty ban hammer of the Scientology Warrior. Wear it as a badge of honor.

    • Comments made on Marty’s blog (which uses the native WordPress software) can be set to appear only when the owner approves them. If he declines to do so, they will never appear. He can also edit your words, to suit himself. One of the reasons I don’t comment there is I don’t want what I say to be changed out of context and misrepresented.

      I think that a very high proportion of comments to Marty’s blog just don’t get through. Comments from some people (like ‘the oracle’) must go without moderation, which explains why most of the contributors there agree with each other (and, inevitably Marty) most of the time.

      Tony uses Disqus for comments. This is an independent commenting system that can be incorporated into hosted WordPress blogs. Very rarely, really abusive characters are banned – but not often.

      Disqus can’t be used on free WordPress blogs (which is what Marty’s is – you can tell because the URL reads ‘markrathburn . worldpress . com’ ).

      • eekc

        Ah. Okay. To be honest, I probably won’t bother commenting over there again. I just got particularly irritated with people using the ridiculously feeble “Tony has never been a Scientologist, so how dare he comment on it” argument. That’s all my comment over there was about, but I’m sure people have already made the point I made.

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          Admirable sentiment, but over there it would received as the equivalent of yelling Banana!! in a crowded theater.

        • It would be great to be able to talk with those who frequent that place. However, just like Scientologists, there’s no give and take with them so I suspect it would be ultimately unrewarding, even if it were possible.

          The ‘never been a Scientologist’ thing is also one of those Scientology lines of ‘reasoning’ that can be used to neutralise almost any comment from an outsider.

        • Juicer77

          I’m all for civil discourse and polite intercourse (heh heh) but there is some serious editing and manipulation going on over there. I don’t bother. And i stay away from Rinder’s because of the strong Indie factor.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Hm. Right. By that notion I never voted for Trump so I shouldn’t comment on his candidacy…

      • Noesis

        The remarkable thing is what DOES get through from Oracle.

        Imagine doing discretionary editing on the input she offers….with THAT which has appeared being the stuff “making the cut.”

        Lol.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      I may or may not have a sock dedicated exclusively to ribbing Oracle. Quick note of advice- have fun with it! Never argue (or never argue her main point, pick something obscure to nitpick) with her because that matchup was decided before the dawn of time.

      Also, might want to differential between MR Marty Rathbun and MR Mike Rinder. They started at the same place, but ended up on opposite sides of the globe.

      • Sarcasmo

        It’s amazing how far apart MR and MR wound up from each other after starting off in the same place.

      • ze moo

        Florida and Texas are not on opposite sides of the Globe. Each has their distinctive type of crazy. The states, not Rinder or Rathbun so much. Ok, maybe Rathbun…

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Well about the geography. Are they are different continents EUS and WUS or no? I can never remember how Co$ defines its continents. And acording to Mike Rinder’s Thursday Funnies today, Texas is its own country.

    • Sarcasmo

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Marty doesn’t read The Oracle’s dissertations himself and instead just hits whatever button approves them to be posted.

      • FredEX2

        Wouldn’t be surprised if Marty IS The Oracle. 🤓

        • ithilien

          yes darling. major cognition there

        • Sarcasmo

          Hmmmm. A few months ago The Oracle was criticizing those commenting in the Bunker about how if they really supported Marty, like they said they did, they’d buy his self-published novel. Maybe The Oracle is a sock meant to shill for his novel?

        • pluvo

          No, she was outed some years ago.

          • Frodis73

            Is she independently wealthy or something? It’s seems like she is at Marty’s 24/7 most days, lol.

            • pluvo

              That I don’t know. What I read was just some stuff reporting and blaming each other.

    • eekc

      Hey, my comment went up, and I even got a reply from the man himself! Should I be more or less honoured than if my comment had been banned by the mighty warrior..?
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7fce5ec5cee7c31baf539fbe27792923ba6c9a608a0f8c22ddc5239a8d0eb173.png

      • Less.

        Being used to attack the very thing that Rathburn most envies (Tony’s position as an expert on the CofS) is an achievement.

        • eekc

          My comment, to give some context to his response: (the first sentence is quoted from The Oracle)


          “He has never stepped foot in a Church of Scientology, and is passing himself as a “Scientology expert” for a valid identity.”

          I really can’t be bothered to get involved in the wider argument/discussion about all of this, but this one point bugs me every time I see someone make it about TO (perhaps because I am a journalist, though nothing to do with Scientology).

          Are you genuinely suggesting that a person cannot be an expert in a field they have never personally ‘experienced’? Because that’s utterly ridiculous.

          So all Egyptologists are frauds because they didn’t live in Ancient Egypt? All psychiatrists are incapable of diagnosing patients unless they themselves have a mental illness?

          If people dislike TO and/or wish to broadcast that fact: fine, but do it for reasons that are justifiable, not just ‘Well he was never a Scientologist so how dare he comment! How dare he make a career out of writing about it!’

          …He is a journalist. His job is to research and report facts. Now, if you disagree with the idea that he IS indeed reporting facts or not, then fine – THAT is a justifiable (in your opinion, at least) reason to dislike him or his work (if you have evidence).

          He has been reporting and researching Scientology for a very, very long time. By this point, generally, most people would call him an expert. But even if you don’t consider him an expert, his credentials as a journalist reporting on and researching Scientology are NOT diminished by the fact that he is a ‘never-in’.

          If/when you are attempting to highlight your dislike for Tony Ortega, that particular argument is incredibly feeble.”

          • Sarcasmo

            I like how you worked those evil Psychs into your comment, lol.

            • eekc

              Had to be done

          • Christinadina

            wtf kind of bullshit response (by marty) is that?? he’s a master gaslighter! your comment was factual & rational, yet he has the balls to dismiss it by turning your words back onto you, as if his observations are self-evident? trying to make sense of a narcissist’s comments is a maddening, futile exercise.

            • DoveAlexa

              I thought it was because he’s not creative enough to form his own insult vocabulary, so he’ll just swipe the best looking thing he sees someone else write.

            • Christinadina

              he might as well reply, “i know you are, but what am i?!”

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Great comment eekc!

          • Missionary Kid

            I commented before I saw this post. Excellent post, again.

      • kemist

        If you make any valid point, he’ll either :

        – Won’t post it

        – Give a vague answer

        – Be extra nasty to you

        Keep in mind that he and whatever supporters he has obsessively read here and ESMB, so he may have posted it to quell accusations of suppressing “free speech”.

        Also, I’d proxy up when posting there if I were you. Marty is curiously quiet on the CoS / DM criticism front these days and seems to concentrate on trying to discredit certain very specific things. That’s not a good sign.

      • Frodis73

        Great comment, I am surprised he let it through honestly. Notice how he doesn’t even answer your points in any way. So annoying.

      • Phil McKraken

        Theroux don’t know nothing. Don’t bother me by even responding. I talk. Not listen. You don’t exist. Only me and my propaganda exists.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Great comment.

      • Missionary Kid

        Among some AA members, there is a prejudice that only a recovering alcoholic can treat an alcoholic. It’s the same kind of stupidity.

        I may be wrong, but Marty seems to have the hubris that he’s the only real expert on $cientology. He’s Source. If you don’t pass your information through him, it’s bunk. It’s the same shit that $cientology maintains about itself, IMO.

  • Science Doc

    Can anyone confirm that Big Blue is actually called Mendeleev Base because it is close to the 101 Freeqway. Element 101 is Mendelevium.

    I’m kidding.

    • Techie

      Never heard that one, Doc, but you do know why they call it the Complex right? Because it is orthogonal to the real axis?

      • Science Doc

        Unreal.

      • aquaclara

        There you go with the big words! I have no clue what an orthogonal is, but the Fort Harrison and Mecca in Clearwater are on Fort Harrison Ave. which is also US 19 A (for alternate). 19 is both one and nine, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. May it be so. 🙂

        • Science Doc

          So Flag is actually Potassium Base.

          • aquaclara

            Potassium! Love it.

    • nottrue

      The 210 freeway is named after Jack Parsons Magical number…

      • Science Doc

        405 must be Hell’s PO Box number.

      • Chee Chalker

        The number of parts he was in after the explosion?

        • ithilien

          he was still alive after the explosion, so not so funny. what did he ever do you?

          • Chee Chalker

            He swung (if you know what I mean) with L Ron Hubbard’s meat body

    • Ben Franklin

      What is true for you is true for you. Remember, always keep that in mind.

      • Science Doc

        I’ve gone off my meds after 15 days post surgery, and I’m trying not to do that sort of thing right now.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I hate the first couple days.

          • Science Doc

            This time they loaded me up on Percocet and Robaxin. The Robaxin was the worst. Last weekend I was taking 3 hour naps on top of sleeping eleven hours at night. On Monday I said screw this and embraced the pain.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              The Oxycontin was hard to quit after being on it for over six months.
              ugh!

            • Science Doc

              They gave me pure Oxy in the hospital so they could titrate the acetaminophen separately. I don’t think they send that home anymore. Hence the Percocet.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I wish you a speedy recovery. I broke my back and the Oxy was to get me off the Fentynol patches. I was one cranky boy.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Ouch, I bet you were.

            • Juicer77

              Glad you are progressing. 🙂 Hopefully it will continue to get better.

      • ithilien

        “and it’s not a lie if you believe it.” george costanzo

    • Noesis

      There is a new sort of “Big Blue” being piloted by Sea Org Captain David Miscavige.

      It’s the Big Blue Peeker.

      It will be used to keep an eye on folks that otherwise might inhibit clearing the planet.

      Coming to a city near everyone soon.

      • BronxLaurie10

        I love that! Where is it?

  • Ben Franklin

    A quick look at my crystal ball tells me that very soon we may start to see battle of the drones over Scientology skies.

  • Wog

    Scientology – the only church on the planet that owns billions of sq.ft. of big, empty buildings

    and the ONLY building that is fully occupied with a long waiting list is THE HOLE!

  • ReallyMGM

    OT: Gotta go for the day today for meetings. Hate that I will miss the conversation about the drone footage!!! and will be watching Chris’s video when I get back. It is so damn good (best yet-I love stuff about apologetics of all cults). And hoping J3 gets us a place to trash talk about Fantasy Football. and help for it! Hugs to all.

    • Vaquera

      Gimme JJ!

  • I”m surprised that DM berths so close to the Wog Highway. Why doesn’t he just move into Bonnie View and be done with it?

    • aquaclara

      ghost thetans.

    • He has Bonnie View rigged with loads of death traps in case Hubbard ever did come back.

      • flyonthewall

        make Fallujah look like Disneyland

    • Techie

      R2, not sure that he really is still in the Villas. When I left in 2004 they were talking about moving him into the Gs. But those are still close to the road. But he has a really nice setup in the Villas. His berthing was a hotel room, but they punched a door through the wall to connect another hotel room to it. So it is double wide, conveniently only a few doors away from Lou’s room. Then next door they built another double room setup called the “Officer’s Lounge”. Except only one Officer is allowed to use it, with any close cronies that he allows in. The shot folks like to shoop with him standing in his full dress blues and photos of his great accomplishments behind him was shot in the Officer’s lounge. One side has the wide screen TV, all satellite channels, bottles of expensive liquor, a few books, a chess board and some really comfy chairs. The other side is the most elaborate sound listening setup I have ever seen or heard of. The most expensive speakers, amps, turntable floating on air, racks full of $20,000 Cello equalizers and such. Tubes everywhere. Back in the old days Shelley had a huge bird cage outside that door, with lots of birds of all kinds. Makes me laugh when I hear the birds in the background of the videos from Jeffrey Augustine. I suspect those birds were just to give the Miscaviges some advance warning if anybody tries to sneak around their front door. But it made it rough to work on their equipment while they were sleeping. You had to sneak past the birds.

    • ithilien

      i was thinking that too. seemed like he should be at the top of the hill overlooking the domain…then I thought maybe he thinks he might need quick access to the highway for a fast exit.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Maybe he wants to but it needs to be redone to his tastes, and he can’t agree on plans to tear down and rebuild Bonnie View…

  • Kim O’Brien

    it’s not a ” berthing” place if it IS NOT ON A SHIP…AN AIRPLANE OR A RAILROAD CAR !!!!! OH MY GOD IT’S A FUCKING BEDROOM !!!!!!

    • It’s all pretend.

    • flyonthewall

      i sleep in a race car bed. Do you??

      • I still have my Major Matt Mason curtains. Butch won’t let me put them up.

        • flyonthewall

          had to google that, he was before my time. Vintage toys rule!

          • I had all that man’s shit! It was huge when I was six. Literally and figuratively. That space station was awesome.

            • flyonthewall

              i hate being nostalgic for my childhood toys. Now I want my Lite-Brite back. 🙁

            • Fly Lady

              you’ll get it back when you can learn to play nice.

            • flyonthewall

              hmph!

            • Ella Raitch

              I never know when you’re going to make a clip-Fly-around-ths-earhole entrance, but they are always grand

    • Dave Reams

      Birthing? What do they need a birthing room for? Sea Org aren’t allowed to get pregnant.

      (just kidding : )

    • Ben Franklin

      It just makes you feel closer to L Ron Hubbard and Xenu when you sleep in berthing and is a member of the Sea Organization, than when you live on land and sleep in a normal bedroom

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      It’s already a make-believe navy. Why not make-believe ships??

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        In a make-believe religion with make-believe technology!

    • stanrogers

      We what still have the vestiges of a monarchy use the concept of the “stone frigate” for historical reasons (which later became proud Naval traditions after Westminster recognised that a navy might have very good reasons for having personnel ashore). In American terms, it would be as if, say, Naval (Air) Station Norfolk had to be called USS Norfolk and everything on paper had to look ship-shaped (bad pun) if it wanted funding from Congress. I think Hubbard liked that idea; it’s cheaper than a navy that needs to have a lot of actual boats.

  • nottrue

    Scientology trolling online Pharmacy…

    • daisy

      I wish they would troll my pharmacy online or off. He is like the pill Nazi – No pill for you, No pill for mama , no pill for fat dog.

  • Ms.P

    Oh my, those poor souls playing soccer, what bums. Once again Tony, giving OSA a lot of work. You know DM wants to know the name of each of them, off to the RPF for slacking off.

    • PTS

      I disagree. On the contrary, DM can say “Over worked? Prison camp? Nonsense! Look, everyone can relax and have a game of soccer and enjoy themselves as they wish.”

      • Ms.P

        Oh yes, to the outside but not within.

  • nottrue

    Amazon Bestsellers list = Sorry Ruthless…

    • Juicer77

      Hurry up Audible, we want Miss Lovely!! 🙂

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ll learn yah how to read juicer.

        • Kestrel

          She wants to hear Tony read the book.

        • Juicer77

          *spits* Book lernin’ never did nobody no good. XD

          • Todd Tomorrow

            damm strate.

  • Dave Reams

    Funny the drone did not capture Dave on the vestibule of his birth exclaiming “Da plane! Da plane!”

    https://youtu.be/USfKJYZcUmI

    • Todd Tomorrow

      A HA Ha Ha! Spit coffee!

    • Missionary Kid

      Tattoo. The one person DM could tower over.

  • Baby

    I am going swimming today.. First time out of the house in like a month.. The Island pool is absolutely beautiful. I will take a book and relax.. Later gator..

    OK yesterday my compassion for Marty was waning.. today it is absolutely thread bare..

    and Oracle.. just STFU .. Good God..and Marty allowing your Bullshit.. Ugh.. and calls US Cult Members.. PUHLEASE Fool.

    You say we worship Tony.. ha.. We thank him once in awhile.. He posts and generally the Bunkeroos take off on their own.

    MY GAWD … You praise Marty till I want to puke.. Seriously.. Pages worth of that crap.. It’s sickening. .. You are doing much more harm than good.. and I don’t think there is one critic that doesn’t want to see Theroux’s movie.

    OK.. I’m off.. xoxox love baby.. f5

    • Beth

      I don’t go over there, but I have one question – After 35 years of practicing Scientology’s applied philosophy of ‘making the able more able’ and being THE expert on all things clear and OT, shouldn’t you be able to detect when you’re being played ?
      Louis and company gave him a public platform and made him feel important. That’s all that was required.
      ETA: Have a lovely swim Baby! sounds fun 🙂

      • Baby

        thanks boo.. I wouldn’t call standing in a pool reading a swim though..hahhahahahahahah .. It will be nice to get out..I don’t mind heat if I’m near water..xoxoxoxo

        He is just being mean to people I care about.. ugh..and he is being an asshole.

        • Beth

          I hear you.
          Glad you’re getting out and about 🙂

          • Baby

            Awwwwwww GIMMIE DAT DOGGIE WITH DOSE GOGGLES.

    • flyonthewall

      those dogs just need dunce caps then they will be ready for a proper struggle session and re-edumacation! Long Live Chairman Bow-Wow! f5

      • Baby

        Yuck.. Fly!

    • felix

      Do you happen to know, and can you explain to those of us who don’t, what are Alanzo and Oracle so ticked off about? I mean, surely it’s not just the fact that a blog called the Underground Bunker exists, and it’s not what they want it to be, so what is it?

      • Frodis73

        Oracle is just nuts…there is seriously something mental going on, reading her posts is like talking to a manic person-they are all over the damn place. A couple posts back on Martys’ blog there were over 800 comments and more than half were from her. Not only that, her lips are permanently attached to his ass.
        I do not know much about Alanzo, though he has written about this stuff at his blog. Most of us disagree with his statements though.

        • felix

          Oracle’s posts remind me of that character in _Life on the Mississippi_ who can’t stop talking, and whose stories go on for pages. Those were funny though….

        • LongtimeLurker

          I love how Oracle replies to Oracle.

          I mean we’ve all done it, but not 8, 10, 12 times in a row.

          Talk about an echo chamber of outrage.

          And in support of what Frodis says, I’ve seen him/her turn on people s/he had just been agreeing with. So yeah, just spoiling for a fight.

          Alanzo sounds very reasoned on his blog. It would have made me reconsider a few things.

          Except…

          ….then I read some of his comments at Rathbun’s which were vitriolic, biased and contradictory.

          I imagine because they’re less rewritten.

          So I’m gonna take them as more accurate reflection of the real Alanzo.

          Edit – why am I replying to 10 hour old comments? Also, I added another thought about Oracle.

      • Frodis73

        I should add that Alanzo’s blog deconstructing scientology is very good btw and worth checking out for that content.

        • felix

          Thanks Frodis, I will do that. I’ve checked out McClaughry’s website and found it to be verbose and angry and a little ADHD.

          • Frodis73

            Oh yeah, that one is out there. They actually called somebody a conspiracy theory nut the other day. Kettle. Pot. Black.

            • stanrogers

              This isn’t the pot calling the kettle black; it’s one kettle calling another kettle a kettle.

              – Chris Addison

      • Ben Franklin

        They are all whining but if Tony wasn’t covering Scientology, they would be the first to complain how come no one ever talks about the evils of Scientology in the Media. It is like damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

        • Frodis73

          YES!! For years ex’s were complaining that nobody would listen to them or do their stories….then Tony comes along and all they do is bitch about it and say he is not qualified. He is the most qualified journo to tackle the subject imo. Anybody out there think somebody like Dan Harris (as much as i like the guy) has actually taken the time to read and understand Hubbards “writing”.

          • Ben Franklin

            Some of them give ex-scientologists a bad name because you never know who is going to turn against you and accuse you of all the unimaginable things. You never know who is next in line to sign an affidavit recanting everything critical they ever said about the church and DM and then drug your name through the mud. I am not surprised that there are not many journalists taking the risk to cover Scientology related stories.

            • Scream Nevermore

              A lot of them give the impression that they’re going to relapse at any moment, or that mentally and emotionally they’re still in the cult. It’s quite painful to see. But doesn’t justify their attacking anyone who doesn’t agree in every particular with their own views.

            • Ben Franklin

              It is risky business because you just don’t know who is on your side and who is not. People turn on each other overnight and say all nasty things with former friends becoming enemies and former enemies becoming friends. You just never know who is genuine and who is willing to set you up for a couple of dollars or whatever is important to them. For a journalist, you can never lower your guard down because you can never trust 100% some of the people you are dealing with.

      • Baby

        Alanzo.. Used to have an adversary relationship with Marty..Now they are Buddies ..

        God only knows felix..

        Hmmm Oracle.. Let me see Oracle.. What can I say about Oracle.. So many theories so little time.

        I give her absolutely NO credence..none at all. She continues to make a full out of not only her, but Marty.. f5

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f4bc47115ef5c4365a12f8ba42cf7324f8e19bcb513ef051a33de352f1809d8.gif

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Happy swimming, Water-Baby 🙂

      • Baby

        awwww how cute ..thanks Betty! It was wonderful..

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am glad you will relax with a book at the pool. That sounds REALLY good to me right now, can I come over?

      • Baby

        Absolutely Free… I just got back.. The water is Salt water.. and 89..

        To Die for. there were 3 people in.. when I got there and I was the only one there for an hr. and a 1/2.. To Did For.

        They have water aerobics in the morning everyday..I don’t know it’s kind of early for me ( 9) .. but I’ll see how I feel..

        So you can do aerobics, and swim all day for $2 .. hahaha.. f5

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa9f7021c6d5656cd02ddfec6b0c8d0dfb09378692f3a08d62c2a8094e494260.jpg

        • Frodis73

          You should do it! Water aerobics is so much fun!! Can be really tough too though. I miss going to the class I did, big time.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          !!!!

    • beauty for ashes

      I think I’d forgive that beautiful blond boy almost anything, unless he ate or messed up on of my drawings, then he goes outside.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Wherever she is, maybe Shelly can come out of her hiding place and wave to the drone when the drone goes over next time, so we know she’s allright.
    I hereby include Pocahontas as an example.

  • Science Doc

    Zillow and Redfin don’t have a real estate category for Secret Cult Bases, so how do you even list something like this for sale? The drone footage will save them a grand on the listing though, so that is a positive. Most agents will tell them to get rid of the tenants before any showings, and maybe to upgrade the lawn maintenance some.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Wow, this is amazing. Just catching up on things, and kind of amazed by Marty’s recent statement. I just wonder if… The more focus there is on David Miscavige, the closer to home all of Marty’s own wrongdoing while inside becomes. I feel like maybe he’s never dealt with that.

    This is a thing that often frustrates me when professional Christians leave right-wing Christianity in stages. They’ll make tortured statements over a period of several years about how they’re “struggling” with issues like same-sex equality, and frequently lash out at critics who just go, “Would you please stop saying things that hurt people?” I often wish these people would “evolve” and deal with all their issues on their own — and only come out with a meaningful apology and statement after their evolution is done. I think public “struggling” with a history that involves hurting lots of people just…continues to hurt them.

    I wonder if Marty has been doing a similar thing all this time — evolving publicly in incremental stages in a sort of self-serving, narcissistic way that just continues to do harm to other people.

    • Ben Franklin

      I don’t think he ever confronted the fact that he may have been a monster to other people until he actually experienced it fast hand and felt it. When he was still in the thick of things it was probably easy for him to justify his actions as caused by someone else.

      • Chee Chalker

        Along those lines…..what I can’t figure out is how Marty can say anything positive, or even neutral, things about Scientology and David Miscavige after how his wife was treated.
        I’ll say this about Marty, he seems very fond of Mosey and very protective of her.

        And he is now saying that a man who ordered a campaign of harassment against his wife including sending a dildo to her office, a love note to one of her co-workers (purportedly from her) and spread rumors that she was really a man, Marty is now saying he ‘projected his own behavior’ onto that man.

        I’m waiting for the mea culpa on that one….’well, maybe the dildo wasn’t sent by scientology…..maybe David did not know that Scientology goons went her relatives’ homes to speak to them, maybe I forced David into doing those things’

        That is what gets me. I mean, Marty expected the cult to come after him. But how he can allow his wife to be treated that way…..I don’t know.

        Somewhere in the comments there is a link to a 2011 post of Marty’s. Several exes joined in the comments with stories about Miscavige. I think it is a must read (before Marty takes it down while ‘housekeeping’). It is a fascinating look into the juvenile behavior of a sociopath.

        • Frodis73

          This is a good point about Mosey because I absolutely agree with you about how he feels about her. That interview he gave around the time Going Clear came out was heartbreaking. It was about how they just couldn’t do normal things and were suspicious of new people and how that really hurt him the most because it hurt Mosey. His pain and regret came across so raw and honest…for him to now to seem to be trying to excuse some of DM’s behavior is just baffling.

    • kemist

      It would be interesting to hear from people who have known the “in” Marty with attendant cult persona and the “out” Marty, with his regular personality.

      That would give important clues as to what it is he’s trying to do exactly, and whether there’s been a change back to said cult persona.

      His NPD-like reactions and tantrums seem to point to that, but you never know.

      • Kristin Rawls

        I’m not trying to diagnose him. I think Scientology is a narcissistic ideology that probably breeds a lot of narcissistic behaviors, whether or not he has a personality disorder. I would call the public backtracking, lashing out and incremental shifts narcissistic behaviors. Even with time to delete and edit, he seems to have little control of his emotions — and very little regard for how other exes feel about any of the things he’s saying.

    • edge

      I think that’s why he’s never consistently denounced Scientology. Because doing so would also be denouncing himself, and that would make him wrong. And he can’t bring himself to do that. If Scientology’s wrong, he’s wrong. If Scientology’s right, he’s right. The “middle path” that he’s been peddling all these years? Scientology’s right and I’m right, it’s just David Miscavige is wrong. I was just following orders. Oh, and everyone deserved it. He keeps trying to find other religions and political schools of thought to rationalize both himself and Scientology, but no. It was, is, and always will be Hubbard’s horrible con game and he bought it hook, line, and sinker for a very long time. He has a problem with that, so instead he lashes out at everyone else.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Decompression can take awhile. Seems to me that the longer that someone has been in, and the more deeply involved they were in perpetrating truly evil deeds and abuses of power, the longer and more torturous the way out.

      That would seem to apply here in aces. A full and contrite confession, followed by direct apologies to those who’ve been harmed and real acts of atonement, are the only path back. If what you’ve done is so heinous and involves felony crimes for which you could be charged or sued in civil court, then I imagine doing the right thing becomes even more difficult in those instances.

      Still, no one had a gun to his head; he could have walked at any time, but only chose to do so after what he done to others was visited upon him. Who knows if Marty would have ever have chosen to flee the cult if lil davey the savage had had the good sense not to sadistically abuse and imprison him too. Seems doubtful, given all that he’d seen Lil davey do to others and had done himself up to that point.

      “I wonder if Marty has been doing a similar thing all this time —
      evolving publicly in incremental stages in a sort of self-serving,
      narcissistic way that just continues to do harm to other people.”

      He’s certainly not healing wounds and atoning for the evil that he’s done in these recent days, that’s for sure.

      To me it’s fairly simple: If you know where the bodies are buried and have the ability to bring down lil davey and put a halt to his ongoing crimes, human rights abuses and misappropriation of parishioner’s donations to fund his lux lifestyle, then you’re morally obligated to either Dox or GTFO. Anything less and you’re just adding insult and injury to those that you’ve already wronged.

      If you were Stalin’s right hand man and go-to thug enforcer, then you’ve got a whole helluva lot to atone for and if you’re not willing to fully take responsibility for your actions, then you should just slink away and do your best to try and lead a decent life from there on out.

    • Bob Crouch

      I am a tad confused here. You express a great deal of concern about “hurting people.” Yet, your own statements also come off–at least to some–as judgmental and hurtful toward folks you have issues with. So what gives?

  • David Arum

    It is interesting to see that there is somewhat less now in Gold Base than in years past.

  • Observer

    Is it caek time yet?

    F5

    • Sherbet

      It’s always cake time.

      • Newiga

        Agree! I just had chili chocolate cake… 😛

        • Sherbet

          Ooooh. Never had that, but I’ve had chocolate cookies with a hint of chili powder.

          • Newiga

            It was divine! Too bad I couldn’t bring any to share with the Bunker class.. :((

            • Sherbet

              I’m ingesting fewer calories this way.

            • Christinadina

              i got one this afternoon, and it was pretty good! not as good as a hot chocolate made with chili pepper, but still a nice option – and it wasn’t super sweet, either!

          • Christinadina

            not that i’m a fan of promoting giant corporations, but starbucks has a new mocha chili drink i’m interested in trying out.

            • Sherbet

              Mocha chili? I’ve got to try that! My problem with Starbuck’s and Dunk’s is that their interesting flavors are sweetened. I like the bitterness of coffee and have never used sugar in mine.

            • Christinadina

              i like sweetened coffee, but i agree that they definitely can have some over-kill, esp with their “mocha” stuff. still…. “chili” ….i’m intrigued! 😀

            • Sherbet

              Me, too. I’ll meet you at Starbuck’s in 15 minutes. 🙂

            • Chee Chalker

              I have heard so much about this drink….. That does it! I’ve been at my desk for all of 20 minutes, I have to go get one

            • Sherbet

              Report back, Chee.

    • Jimmy3

      Nice try. That’s a urinal cake.

      • Sherbet

        Looks like an Easter hat I wore around 1963.

        • Jimmy3

          Jesus: What in Dad’s name is going on?! I come back to find people wearing urinal cakes as hats?!?

          • Rasha

            …he doesn’t know, does he?

          • Sherbet

            The antiseptic quality appealed to me.

  • Jimmy3

    I wish I had laundry dogs. That’s some handy dandy tech right there.

    • Rasha

      “Mechanical Laundry Dogs” would be a great band name.

    • Ben Franklin

      are you prepared to get your laundry back in shreds?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I meant to post this earlier so I apologise if it’s been posted in the meantime. A really good article about Scientology and homosexuality:

    http://theoutmost.com/interviews/going-queer-scientology-homosexuality-dont-mix/

  • Todd Tomorrow

    How do they treat their dog’s? I know or I’ve heard you have to salute bm’s beagles. Just wonder if they have any other dogs and are the slaves allowed to own them?

    • Observer

      I’d much rather salute the beagles than DM. They’re far more deserving.

      • stanrogers

        And taller.

  • Sherbet

    Has anyone seen beauty for ashes lately? She had some RL things going on.

    • Rasha

      She upvoted an old comment of mine about an hour ago.

      • Rasha

        Hope all is well….

      • Sherbet

        OK. I’m glad she’s around.

    • Jimmy3

      She’s hiding on my notifications page.

      • Sherbet

        I don’t know what that means. Does it involve a Telex?

        • Ben Franklin

          Smoke signals. Three puffs. 2 for beauty, and 1 for ashes.

          • Sherbet

            Got it.

    • beauty for ashes

      beauty was last seen taking care of her mother, just like this model duo 🙂 F5

      • Sherbet

        Oh, gosh, the Edies. How are you and your mom, beauty?

        • beauty for ashes

          I’m exhausted. My mom’s spirit is indomitable however, even though we have found this is a cancer that can’t be beat. It can be lived with with some quality. But it will eventually kill her. We have yet to get the results back of what the cancer’s name is. That will be important. That will be the how long and how well she lives part. My father continues to be helpful in some ways and other ways a big narcissistic baby. I would sometimes like to cattle prod him, as he sometimes says the most insensitive things.
          She has 10 radiations and six chemos on the books. She is well into her radiation as she has done almost everyday since I believe Saturday. And her oncologist who (btw is a Tim Gunn clone) is working on getting her chemo in pill form as we would not be able to afford it otherwise. So no chemo yet. 🙂 Happily surprised that radiation does not cause Mom more pain. although they really are managing it well with a 12 hr dose and rescue dose of something in between.
          Today I feel as though I was run over by a tractor, and barely managed vacuuming up the area around my mom’s chair with my 4lb bissel. So now I’m trying to catch up on comments and distract myself and ginger ale load.
          I wish I could hire a part time help for my mom, and buy another car. I also know sometimes things can look unmanageable.( especially when you have a fantastic imagination as I have) So we just have to take things one day at a time and do the best we can.:) Thank you so much for asking Sherby, my mom like St. Nicholas the wonderworker so I’m directing prayers there 🙂

          • Frodis73

            You have been in my thoughts, I know how stressful this stuff can be Hugs.

            • beauty for ashes

              I know you do Froyo. (((((((((((((((((big tearful hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) <3 <3 <3

          • Sherbet

            I’m so sorry to hear she was diagnosed with cancer. It’s quite a journey, after you hear that word for the first time. I’ll round up all my favorite saints and barrage heaven with my prayers for all of you. It couldn’t hurt!

            • beauty for ashes

              I think anything positive helps. Also I tell her when everyone says something encouraging . I just want her to feel rich in support and love. (**whispers out of side of mouth** I think ya now the catholic connection might mean a little more to her *wink wink**)
              PS~ This is her 2nd battle with cancer . Also she is an award winning A.C.S. volunteer.

            • Sherbet

              I get it. I’m a big believer in positive thoughts, Catholic or otherwise, so I’m beaming them from me to Mom, Dad, and to you.

            • beauty for ashes

              I’ve had a lot of angry prayers, and I was terrified when she was getting the lung biopsy because she was going down the esophagus, and all I could think about was Joan Rivers.
              I was sitting in the back yard praying, and I yelled out to my sister Alicia who passed, you better get down there and take care of Mom!!!! My Mom doesn’t like my angry prayers , so I don’t normally tell her about them, but I guess I did, because I was telling her how grateful that it was over, because I was so scared she was going to die and I was not handling it well. And she just said, oh my God, the technician’s name was Alicia. 🙂 <3 <3 <3

          • Juicer77

            Thanks for the update. You are doing everything so right. Hugs.

            • beauty for ashes

              Edie Beale is my role model 🙂 (((smooshy hugs back))

          • TheLurkingHorror

            I’m sorry to hear that. I know you want to take care of your mom as much as you can, but don’t forget to take care of yourself, too.

          • OOkpik

            <3 <3 <3

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Chris’s video is great. What struck me most was the mention of the faked statistics, especially on a Thursday.

    Marty? Tony is a Scientology expert, whatever Marty may say. I’m a Bunkerue. I don’t lose my faith, so to speak.

    In the past I did lose my religion though:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZp8k4kxfHo

  • mikecrosby

    “Never In” here. Since watching “Going Clear” I have been fascinated by CoS and have visited Gold Base around 5 times. Of course I never get beyond the guard shack.

    Gold Base can be gotten to by taking Gillman Springs Rd off of the 60 freeway. Gillman Springs Rd cuts right through Gold Base. I’m probably not telling anyone here anything new.

    Watching the video, I could not quite get my bearings. Coming from the 60 freeway, and going through Gold Base, I’m heading from a Northwest direction toward a Southeast direction. Would most of the buildings be located on my right hand side? I believe that’s where the Golden Production studios are, and that’s always where I stop to talk to the guards. And does that mean Miscavige’s quarters would be on my left?

    And “The Hole” is still there? I’m surprised that wasn’t torn down.

    Thanks for any help in advance. This video is interesting. I had no idea drone technology was this advanced. Huge thanks to the person who put this together.

    • Tony Ortega

      Quick and dirty. Here’s roughly the drone path in the first video.

      • Sherbet

        Quick and dirty — Tony’s calling you, Jimmy.

        • Jimmy3

          Tell him to meet me at The Lake.

          • flyonthewall

            he said quick and dirty, not white and nerdy

      • Chee Chalker

        It looks like the way I got home on Saturday night

      • mikecrosby

        Thanks Tony. What’s cool with this is that on my other monitor I can watch the video and keep up with the flight path looking at this screenshot.

    • Missionary Kid

      If you go by at night, you’ll notice that many of the flood lights are pointed outward from the property. Paranoia, I’d say.

      • pluvo

        Because of the bears …. !

        • Missionary Kid

          Like that’s gonna keep them away.

    • pluvo

      Sb posted this link, and I used it to orientate and found it quite helpful: https://www.bing.com/mapspreview/?osid=fda54c8a-92f0-4291-bab2-c83d5b3205f6&cp=pn4r9357hszf&lvl=17&style=b&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027

      What did you talk with the guards? 🙂

      (PS: It’s an older map, some things changed)

      • mikecrosby

        Thanks, the link was helpful.

        With the guards, I asked if I could go play some golf. The Hole (Told no such thing). Not much, it’s been awhile. The first time was on my motorcycle. I noticed (there have always been 2 guards) one of the guards walked around my bike to look at my license plate.

        Also I thought about asking if they’d like me to bring them a whopper from Burger King or something. Then I thought I’d hold up a sign to one of the guards offering a ride and escape if he so chose.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Wow what a spread. Warren Jeffs would be jealous.

    • Missionary Kid

      Not really. Not enough wives.

      • aquaclara

        LOL. That is both funny and sick.

      • Ben Franklin

        Scientology seems to be a bit of an exception when it comes to the cult leader having multiple wives. Scientologists are all work, no pleasure.

        • Spackle Motion

          I suspect that Miscavige has some type of sexual kink. Most cult leaders have one.

          My guess is that he likes to be a leather daddy that gets off on golden showers.

          • Jimmy3

            Ohhhhh! So THAT is why they call it Gold Base!

            • Scott H

              Mystery solved

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Holy Xenu, what a horrid image. Is it cocktail hour yet?? 😀

            • Jimmy3

              It’s noon somewhere.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Good, I’ll need a few to forget that. LOL

            • Draco

              It’s late evening here. Go South African time! You should be good and drunk by now.

          • Dave Reams

            That’s a safe bet!
            https://youtu.be/4Yngc8DB86U

            • Liberated

              Zappa rules!
              Frank stuck it to the cult, ever listened to Joe’s Garage?
              Appliantology—–are you paid….are you paid in full?

            • Dave Reams

              L Ron Hoover! The whole album is a chronicle of a distopian Scientology Sea Org type existence replete with rice and beans, RPF and the hole. Cyborg is of course the e-meter and “Dong work for yuda” satirises Dave’s Daffy Duck speech patterns and savages his vicious sado dominance.

              Zappa also called out Elron in the song Billy the Mountain. Someone once suggested that “Call any vegetable” was lifted from OT materials!

            • Liberated

              Bless you, my friend.

            • Dave Reams

              “[the new Mark V emeter] looks like a chrome plated piggy bank with marital aids stuck all over it.

              [here comes my class VII auditor! none other than diamond Dave hisself!] Little leather cap and feather he looks so gay
              Warren* just bought one! Warren just bought one! Howse about a little bondage and humiliation?”

              – Abstracted from “Joe’s Garage” by Frank Zappa

              *http://warrenmcshane.rtc.org/

          • Draco

            Sigh … now I need to go get the brain bleach …

          • JaxNGold

            EW!!

            Maybe he makes his partners dress up as Xenu. Or maybe he likes to roll around in rice and beans.

            Can’t bear to think of any other options…need a drink

        • flyonthewall

          ummm…Hubbard was a straight up bigamist and Miscavige banished his own wife so he could bang Laura Stuckenbrock while her husband died of MS in the RPF.

          • Ben Franklin

            I am taking about open polygamy where a cult leader is married to multiple wives.

            • flyonthewall

              if the cult leader is free to bang whoever they want regardless of their marital status, which Hubbard and Miscavige were/are, then that is pretty much the same thing

            • Ben Franklin

              Maybe they do, maybe they don’t. I don’t know. What I am saying is that as far as I know, I have never seen a report that Miscavige is married to multiple women. Yes, I have seen rumors linking him to some women, but, at the same time they are just rumors until there is solid proof that indeed he is banging multiple women. Not saying it can’t happen, or doesn’t happen, I am just saying I don’t know or feel comfortable enough at this time in assuming that it is a fact he sleeps with multiple women just because he is a cult leader.

            • flyonthewall

              yeah and I guess The Hole and Miscavige’s involvement in Lisa McPherson’s case are just rumors too? You have as much proof of those things as you do his philandering. People have seen Miscavige go into Cruise’s bedroom with Laura on Cruise’s jet. She had her hands all over his ass at Cruise’s wedding. Remember what touched off the whole Remini thing?

            • Ben Franklin

              Fly you are comparing apples with oranges here.. On one hand you have tons of legal papers and multiple witnesses (in the Lisa Mcpherson case) and on the other hand you have a few statements by a few people. I never discount all rumors as false, but, at the same time you have to agree that we all have different scales in terms of how we evaluate what we strongly believe to be true and what we think may or may not be true. The quality of evidence available to us is what determines our conviction whether something is a fact or just a rumor. I believe a lot of things in the Lisa McPherson case because there are several legal documents and multiple witness statements to back it up. Volume and quality of evidence matters a lot as it is the thing that moves something from the rumor territory to fact territory.

        • Missionary Kid

          The rules are always different for the leader.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Like a lot of other sociopathic dudes who’ve attained power and control over many. lil davey the savage has undoubtedly learned that you don’t need to marry them in order to enjoy their charms.

          On the other hand, his gratuitous and sadistic fascination with accusing others of homosexuality and YSCOHBing leads one to suspect that he might very well be a very severely repressed and deeply closeted gay man.

          • I see both Hubbs and Bitty* as angry eunuchs with broken sex drives. The unsexiest of people.

            *Yes, yes, I know it’s his sister-in-law’s name, but sorry, it’s his now, at least in the Artooverse.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Hahaha…I prematurely jumped to that conclusion, just because it seemed so natural, “Itty Bitty” shortened to just “Bitty”. Plus, I guess that I was hoping that the Sea Orgyists who were under his thumb there at the Gold base were getting some small retribution for his many acts of sadistic degradation against them.

              I mean, even the oppressed people of Egypt routinely called their long-time ruler Hosni Mubarack, Pharoah 😉 But I guess with all the pre-crime thought police se checking action and snitch culture atmosphere that even that small transgression wouldn’t be tolerated.

              Imagine living like that and delusionally imagining that you were saving the universe…soooo fucking nuts!

            • Kestrel

              Thank you for the reminder that the things we find most shocking and disgusting are what it would look like if CoS actually cleared the planet.

          • Liberated

            I’ve thought that for a very long time.
            It’s always the one who protests too much.

            Just like Tom’s ex Katie says…….” DM and TC’s relationship was unnatural”.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              No kidding! It’s like they’re working overtime to deny their urges and feel so bad about who they are down deep that hate has to be projected onto others. All those severely repressed gay repubs and televangelists sure made that point in aces.

              On the other hand, dedicated and out of control sociopaths will use every possible angle to further their evil sadistic sport, so only Shelly knows for sure 😉 I don’t hate a lot of people, but I there’s just no other word that captures the level of disgust and intensity of dislike that I have for him.

            • Liberated

              Ditto

      • Draco

        But what wives there were / are, got written out of the history.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Sadly many were underage boys and girls.

        • Missionary Kid

          There are the “lost boys” who’ve been kicked out under the flimsiest of pretexts so that there will be more girls for the elders. Many of them really have broken lives, because they have little or no education, and many of them have ended up on drugs, or committed suicide, or ended up homeless. At least some of them have banded together to help the other ones.

          The stories of molestation of boys have just come to light in the last several years. The marrying off of girls has been known for a long time, but their molestation by relatives, often their own fathers, has come to light lately, too.

          The FLDS has, at least, been hit in the pocketbook by the feds because of their welfare scams. Prosecutions are following, with at least one leader fleeing. The theory that he’d been raptured was advanced by some of the nitwits inside the cult. What a shore story!

  • Jon S

    I’ve been thinking for about nine months, since I first saw a drone in action close up, that “someone needs to float one of these babies over Int Base”. THANK YOU, MYSTERY DRONE PILOT….!!!

    • DoveAlexa

      your POSTULATES are WORKING!

    • Chee Chalker

      Thank you Jon! Your postulating made this happen. You must be a natural OT!

  • flyonthewall

    you know what would really freak out Gold Base? Laser pointers.

    eta – and clowns. Wave after wave of clowns

    • Observer

      Clowns made up so they look a lot like Lafayette, but worse.

      • flyonthewall

        worse? Is that even possible?? My god…

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Hold me. I’m scared. 🙂

        • beauty for ashes

          It’s just makeup, I’ll go throw some baby oil at their face and it will just melt away!

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Girl, me and clowns…can’t do it. I can watch an entire autopsy but you get me near a clown and the hair stands up on the back of my neck. LOL

            • Kim O’Brien

              clown autopsy ….thoughts ?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I might be able to handle that. LOL

            • UhLasare

              I’m with you.

    • At night

    • Jimmy3

      You know what would really freak out Gold Base? Human rights.

      • Observer

        Human rights as defined by the wog world, not Scientology

      • flyonthewall

        what if their Commission on Human Rights front group went there for a presentation? Awkward!

    • A squadron of drones TPing the base at night.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Well t would be nicer to drop full rolls of TP, at least they could use them. And snacks too! (And Call Me cards)

    • TexasBroad

      I’ll do it. I used to be a clown minister. I still have the outfit! Good times.
      Except when I got a ticket for driving as a clown. Who knew that could get you a ticket?

      • Graham

        Did you get ticket for driving AS a clown? Or for driving LIKE a clown?

        And how do you operate the pedals with those outsize clown shoes?

        • TexasBroad

          Lol! AS a clown.

          • Sherbet

            Were there about 40 clowns in the car with you?

            • TexasBroad

              It was a 1972 burnt orange AMC Gremlin — even the clowns were too embarrassed to ride with me!

            • Kestrel

              Could have been worse. Could have been an AMC Pacer. A buddy had one. We called it, The Greenhouse because it was so hot in there in the afternoon.

      • flyonthewall

        wth is a clown minister??

  • TonyOrtega

    In a (probably futile) attempt to head off some persistent silliness, I just wanted to point out that I can’t help it if other websites or radio hosts refer to me as an “expert” on Scientology. I describe myself as a journalist who covers Scientology as a daily beat and nothing more. As part of that beat, I talk almost daily with people who have forgotten more about Scientology than I will ever know. And as in other bodies of knowledge, the more you study this field, the more you realize how vast is your lack of knowledge. I’m just fortunate that I’ve been able to talk to so many interesting people and to tell their stories. With the help of many great correspondents, we do our best to make this the best place for breaking news, big features, and a judicious helping of j&d. Gracias.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • Rasha

        LOL “Tony Awards”

        • Sherbet

          I’m so square, I always feel bad for the sound crew when somebody drops the mic.

          • Juicer77

            Gotta be fast on that mute button

          • Frodis73

            Aw, thanks. When I was a audio tech that used to piss me off when the performers would get rough with the mics.

            • Sherbet

              If a kid did that with expensive electronics, he would be sent to his room. Celebs do it to be cute.

          • Rasha

            Mic abuse is rampant. Whatever happened to, “Nyah! So THERE?”

            • Sherbet

              Yes, that’s MUCH classier. I think I’m gonna start a “Save a Mic” protection organization.

            • Kestrel

              All of Ireland will thank you.

            • Sherbet

              Ha. Funny pun.

          • Baby

            You’re so square that you said square Sherb.

            • Kestrel

              I think she’s groovy.

            • Sherbet

              I’m also sort of phat.

            • Kestrel

              You kids with your hep lingo. I had to look that up. “Excellent.”

            • Sherbet

              I hesitated, because I couldn’t think of anything else, but “square” won out.

            • Baby

              hahahhahaha I love it Sherb.. I just haven’t heard it for awhile..xo

          • MrsLurksALot

            So funny. I was just thinking the same thing.

            • Sherbet

              What on earth is the matter with us, Mrs?

            • MrsLurksALot

              Nothing, Sherb. We are awesome!

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Nothing wrong Sherb – the fact that there are a lot of us production and sound peeps here speaks to the level of awesomeness our little cult-group has! All about the mute button because it’s so fun when you get a guest (speaker, performer, etc) who decides to “help” by trying to turn their mic on/off and are the same people who’ll hold at chest-bellybutton level or below and blame “the damn sound person” that no one could hear them or for the “weird sounds” from the gain needed to compensate for their stupidity… Rant over. (Fun weekend stage managing at a church event with a guy “who knows EVERYthing about all that stuff” – was so tempted not to keep him muted when he took his lav into the bathroom w/him.)

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            If it makes you feel any better Sherb, watch the gif closely, NPH sets his down very lightly. There’s something for everyone here. LOL 😀

    • Jimmy3

      But you must admit you’re an expert at winning my heart, you cuddly teddy you.

    • Rasha

      Only a true Expert would deny his expertise. QED.

    • Baby

      Oh shit.. The dumbest bitchin I ever heard..

      First off.. You an expert.. 20+ years.. writing, researching.. chasing stories..throwing away gossip..

      Shit my friends and family call me an expert for even hangin out here.. ha

      Just own it Ortega.. You don’t have to call yourself one if you don’t want to..

      But You RRRRRRRRRRRR MATEY F5 .. xo Baby

      • Stephanie Loving

        Oh Baby … you crack me up. And this was just perfection. Balance Beam Captain Ahoy Kitty.

        • Baby

          hahhaha.. I love Pirate Kitteh too Steph.. I miss you! So good to see you honey!

          • Stephanie Loving

            Thanks luv … just drowning in everyday mishegas and work projects. Oy!

    • JaxNGold

      Always humble and down to earth. 🙂

    • Sunny

      I can say from hanging out here for a few years (I hate to admit it! Ha!), Tony, you know more about Scientology than the average Scientologist.
      I have wondered, if you are willing to answer:
      Have you been offered a session/course/meter demonstration? Did you/would you accept or refuse, if given the chance?

      • Kestrel

        There was an e-meter at HowdyCon, but I don’t remember seeing Tony put the cans in his hands.

      • Frodis73

        The folks at that place in Israel have offered…and are mad that he won’t take him up on it He may have been done it at some point in the past that we don’t know about it.

      • Kim O’Brien

        Claire Headley hooked him up …the man is like OT eleven

      • TonyOrtega

        The e-meter confirmed that I’ve been Clear since the Stone Age. And Kim has been L11 since the Stoned Age.

        • Stephanie Loving

          Rolling about. Laughing,

        • Missionary Kid

          OK, what does L11 mean?

          • MarcabExpat

            That’s one of the L’s, those higher, extra-expensive processes near the top of the OT band. There are only three of them, and yet for some reason they’re named L10, L11 and L12. Because Hubbard.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

        • Sunny

          Funny answer is funny.
          Funny answer is not answer.
          But it is a funny.

      • Techie

        Probably the average Bunker reader knows far more about Scientology than the average Scientologist. There are so many facts, so much background, so much historical context that is hidden from the average Scientologist that he cannot really say he has studied it. He has studied the official version, but that is so much sanitized homogenized Shermanspeak. How many Scientologists know about the Hole? Or Hubbard’s airbrushed spouses? Or the real story of Lisa McPherson? Or Miss Lovely? Or the real circumstances of Hubbard’s passing?To say Tony has to hold the cans to understand Scientology is like saying a doctor has to die from the plague to understand bacteriology. It is true that holding the cans changes your perspective. That is what it is supposed to do, make you think you have experienced something unprecedented and unparalleled. LSD and magic mushrooms have a similar effect. But a journalist who reports on drug abuse is not required to abuse just to understand abuse. Gonzo dog journalism is usually not too coherent or enlightening.

    • SciWatcher

      Well whenever there’s something you don’t know about Scientology, you can always ask Marty Mark. He knows EVERYTHING.

    • I think you’ve been called an ex-Scientologist at least once or twice.

    • Liberated

      You’re right, your attempt was futile

    • beauty for ashes

      Thank you, for still doing it ,for us who cannot contribute, for free 🙂 Also for being adorable. (sorry Mrs O.)

      • DoveAlexa

        Tsk, you forgot to appologise to the cats!

        • beauty for ashes

          Kittehs are adorable too! I’m sorry!

    • TheLurkingHorror

      I’d bet even Hubbard wasn’t an ‘expert’ on scientology. It wouldn’t be easy to remember every stray thought that he pulled out of his ass and turned into some policy. If someone had given him a (closed book) pop quiz on scientology, I bet he’d have flunked.

      • Liberated

        Sure, didn’t he make it up as he went along?

        • TheLurkingHorror

          Yep, that’s what I figure. 🙂

      • flyonthewall

        a pop quiz is a great idea. That’s what needs to happen at Howdycon. A trivia night thing and the winner could get TUML on audiobook or something. Or a juicy Scientology secret only known to Tony!

        • TheLurkingHorror

          Great idea!

      • edge

        Ask him how many wives he had.
        “I never had a second wife”

        • TheLurkingHorror

          Excellent point! 🙂

    • TexasBroad

      Very likely futile. My best guess is that there is an effort to discredit you in front of a coming story. Stay tuned, and all that.
      Thanks for the stellar journalism, Tony…and for the crazy bunker comment section I enjoy so much!

      • gtsix

        Exactly.

        Prepare the ground.

      • Liberated

        I’ve been rooting for him to receive the “Pulitzer” for investigative journalism.
        I mean “why not?”

    • edge

      Enough with the modesty. Show people that “Clear” bracelet and tell them you know just as much about what a Clear is as the people who have gained that status.

    • Graham

      ” the more you study this field, the more you realize how vast is your lack of knowledge.” One of the marks of an expert 😉

      • I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.

        Isaac Newton

    • Chee Chalker

      ‘Don’t be a bragger’
      That is what my middle school daughter would say

      She would also say ‘that’s lit’

      Which I think means ‘that’s cool’

      So to all the critics out there who say you can’t report on the cult if you were never in it, I say to them ‘zip, pow, blam-o, pfft’.
      Because that makes about as much sense

    • Stephanie Loving

      I support the Bunker both financially and emotionally. Why? Because truth is spoken here. Kindness abides here. The moderator is a world class journalist. And it’s a community on fire to change the CO$ status quo. Brilliant. Thank you Mr. O.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Well put and thank you!

    • Missionary Kid

      Because of the Bunker, and your journalism, I’ve met a lot of exes, including people who have been victims of Fair Game & disconnection, and, while I don’t have your knowledge of $cientology, the last time I demonstrated at Big Blue, the minder assigned to me asked me what org I’d belonged to. I didn’t answer, of course. I wasn’t going to give any information about myself.

      Thank you for your coverage of $cientology.

      • Missionary Kid

        To add: The minder and I had a long conversation. I wasn’t able to convince her of anything, but I felt that I scored points. It wasn’t bull baiting she subjected me to, and it wasn’t the usual ignore tech. I believe she was a public.

    • John Prince

      ..your efforts are appreciated by more people than You Know,
      (Besides; at least some of us are Well aware that You’re having a little Too much fun with this shit!)

    • Ninara Poll

      f5

    • So you not a Cult leader that is trying to brainwash us? Dang! – I’ll go tell the others. brb!

    • Ella Raitch

      Reasonable people would.accept that an expert knows more than the average bear, .but does.not claim to know e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g.

      It takes more than the knowledge of one expert to round out a subject.

    • OOkpik

      Ahem.
      Obviously, attempting to head off persistent silliness is best assigned to another blog if there is to be any chance of success. 😉

      Some people may have forgotten more about Scientology than you”ll ever know, but the bits that are forgotten aren’t very helpful. Thanks for highlighting what can be remembered and known.

      You don’t claim the Expert title, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king….or something.

      P..S. Jimmy needs a hug.

    • MarcabExpat

      Honest and classy statement.

      … they’re not wrong, though.

      And honestly, I’m glad you get called that, for two reasons, one major and one minor:

      1. It makes the media call on you more consistently, which raises the standard of coverage, because you can be counted on to know what you’re talking about, convey it in a clear and engaging way, and point out what’s important that others may be overlooking; and

      2. It obviously drives one particular Blogger Who Shall Not Be Referenced By Name bonkers. I know you’re above giggling over that, at least publicly. But I’m not 🙂

    • thetastic

      I totally want to crack a joke about you being a never in, but people thinking I was serious would have my head.

    • Jane Doe 2

      As one commenter pointed out, there is a lot of trees and some lawns that are green. In the middle of a four year or more drought, CA has water rationing. It looks like the Int Base could be cited for watering on days they shouldn’t be and using too much water.

    • Mockingbird

      I can assure you when it comes to Scientology often you are better off not getting indoctrinated in it in the first place. The stuff we forget can come back to haunt us.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Right on…..

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Fleet Admiral David Miscavige has ordered the emergency construction of an exact replica of the Berlin Zoo Flak Tower to be erected on the Base. Equipped with 200 vintage WWII German 88mm antiaircraft guns, the new edifice will be called the RTC Flak Tower and is tasked with shooting down any drones, Marcab beamships, or Helotrobe Imperial War Cruisers that violate the Base’s sovereign airspace. Funds are vitally needed for this new defense installation to protect this Scientology workers paradise that is Scientology.

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/flak-tower.jpg?w=500

  • Susan B.

    Hello UBies. My new name for you. Off topic but I have a question about Twitter. If I re-Tweet a Tweet does the person that did the original Tweet get it to? I want to tweet/retweet anti-scios stuff and I’m wondering if retweeting say Tony’s tweets makes him get too many tweets. OK now that I keyed all that in it’s evident that I need Tweeting lessons. I must be a more responsible social media user. Exit, stage left. : )

    • flyonthewall

      When you retweet it that just means your followers will see it.

      My Twitterfu is more like Twitterpoo so my help there is pretty limited

      • Susan B.

        OK, that’s what I wanted to know. Soooo behind on Twitterese.

    • Juicer77

      They get a notification that your tweet retweeted them, but it does not appear again on their timeline. I am in Fly’s Twitterpoo skillz league, so I could be wrong.

      • Susan B.

        : )

    • it’s always a good thing to retweet, with or without a comment. The best is to create your own tweets.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It seems that nowadays more folks are going for laughs at the CO$’s expense than are going clear! 🙂
    (refresh)

  • Vaquera

    Let the Texas Taco Truck Pilgrimage begin! So far, no COB sightings. Will keep a lookout. f5

    • I’m getting hungry.

      • Sherbet

        Not for El Jefe’s tofu tacos, I hope.

        • Vaquera

          Never!

        • Vaquera

          I’d like to say those are a joke, but it’s Austin.

          • Sherbet

            It says so right on the truck. And they’re vegan.

            • Vaquera

              Which is why I said I’d like to say it’s a joke.

        • stanrogers

          I understand all of those words individually, but…

          • Sherbet

            I hear ya.

      • Vaquera

        I’ll eat the next one in your honor.

      • daisy

        Cry me a river, everyday lately has been fresh hell. No Mexican in our area and for the present no getting the ingredients to make my own. I want nothing else but tocos every minute of the day.

        • Kestrel

          We all want tocos every day. “Toco” means “I play.” Feel free to punch me now.

          One of the nice things about living where I do is that there are places to eat tacos everywhere.

    • Sherbet

      Are those pictures bury the nuts bait?

      • Ella Raitch

        She was here a couple of days ago and made an atypically long post telling Marty to stfu and enjoy his.family

        • Mooser42001

          He needs a new set of gaskets.

        • Sherbet

          I miss her.

          • Ella Raitch

            Heh. Am just now eating a breakfast burrito in her honour

    • Juicer77

      Say hello to all the muchachos!

      • Vaquera

        Y amigas.

        • Missionary Kid

          How about muchachas?

  • JaxNGold

    Yesterday, someone (sorry, can’t remember who) posted a screen grab of a reply to “Ann” copied from the blog of crazy. Mr. Batshit automatically assumed this “Ann” was Ann B. Watson (who regularly posts on Mike’s blog and started posting here a while back), despite the fact that the writing styles of these two people are completely different. The reply from Crazy Ass was so telling. Something like “go post on Mike’s blog so he can stroke your projections” or some such shit. I thought to myself, well that seems to answer the question as to whether or not Mike & Marty are still on good terms. Poor Marty — he seems to have alienated almost everyone who once supported him. Now all that’s left is the cling-on’s and crazies.

    • Chee Chalker

      Not only was the style of writing different, but Ann B. always identifies herself as Ann B. Watson

      So much for OT skills

    • Juicer77

      I screwed up and thought Ann B. Watson got blasted, but it was someone else. Marty’s vitriol is really unnecessary, no matter who it’s directed at.

      • Frodis73

        Baby made a comment to her about it and it seemed like Ann acknowledged it…or did I miss something. I agree though that the writing was completely different and I didn’t think it was Ann B either…at least until she said something to Baby about it.

        • Juicer77

          She replied to me when I commented on the blasting. It was a different Ann, and we got it all cleared up.

          • Frodis73

            Thank you J! Ann B was probably just being polite. 🙂

          • Graham

            Whoever this Ann was she was giving him some very good advice, in some detail and with compassion. All she got for her trouble was a nasty knee-jerk response. Pearls before swine unfortunately.

      • Ben Franklin

        He has at least two sensitive buttons that some people who don’t know always seem stumble upon and the reaction is always explosive.

        • Kestrel

          Someone who publicly views himself as some sort of spiritual guide for others should have the ability to control the explosions before they erupt. Particularly when said explosions are in writing.

          • Ben Franklin

            I agree with you that the standard of tolerance should be higher but we each have our own levels of tolerance. There are those who can cope with public life and all that come with it and there are those who can’t.

    • flyonthewall

      theeeere’s cling-on’s on the starboard bow starboard bow starboard bow

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

      • DoveAlexa

        Get out of my head! I was singing the ‘always going forward cause we can’t find reverse’ when reading the last Marty article. Spooky.
        Also, a present: https://youtu.be/-X69aDIFFsc

    • Kestrel

      “Ann’s” writing style was so unlike “Ann B. Watson’s” it is hard to believe anyone with a modicum of sense would have made that mistake, so I initially thought there was someone with the “Ann” handle who comments on Mike Rinder’s blog and I just missed seeing the comments. Regardless, his response to this human being indicates that whatever spiritual growth he may have expressed in the past has now evaporated.

    • The post did have a lot of offensive speculation into the Rathbun home life, so I can see why he was POed.

      • Frodis73

        A lot of people here agreed with you and def pointed that out…of course MR won’t acknowledge that tho. His kid is def off limits for the majority of us I would guess.

      • JaxNGold

        I suppose I can see what you mean. But everything he says these days is full of anger and insult, unless it’s a glowing comment supporting his nuttyness. A rational and stable person wouldn’t be so quick to reply like a bitter teenager.

      • pluvo

        I agree, offensive speculations and ‘consulting’ under the disguise of caring. It was very weird.
        But why then did he post it on his blog at all? He moderated many comments before. That and the strange answer and the hint at Mike’s blog.
        It’s like he needs all the negative comments for some reason to prove his point, to show how he gets attacked (may be even for later ‘evidence’), to make himself right, to show that his (generalized) statements about the sci critics are correct, whatever. Why can’t he just say something like “my family is none of your business” instead of referring to Mike’s blog (in this case).

  • Sherbet

    Pssst….I don’t want to do any worm can opening (in case I missed something serious in the Bunker in the past couple of months), but where’s Nat?

    • Juicer77

      She’s around, but less often. Said she had real life stuff going on. She was in fine form at our Fantasy Football draft last night. 🙂

      • Sherbet

        If you see her, please tell her I’m shouting Hello.

        • Juicer77

          Will do 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      She said she’s dealing with some shit right now. Literally.

      • Sherbet

        Oh, dear.

        • Jimmy3

          No, I mean last I talked to her she was changing a poopy diaper.

          • Sherbet

            Well, you did say “literally.”

            • stanrogers

              …and I’d say the “oh, dear” still stands.

            • Sherbet

              Uh-huh. Yes.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      We miss you Nat!! Wherever you are, here is a kitteh gif to make you smile. 🙂

      http://viralswarm.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Cat-Stuck.gif

  • Kim O’Brien

    I feel you Tony ….i feel ya

    In a (probably futile) attempt to head off some persistent silliness, I just wanted to point out that I can’t help it if other stoners or people who live in Colorado refer to me as an “expert” on smoking pot . I describe myself as a human who covers stonerism as a daily ritual and nothing more. As part of that ritual, I talk almost daily with people who have forgotten more about stonerism than I will ever know. And as in other bodies of knowledge, the more you study this field, the more you realize how vast is your lack of knowledge. I’m just fortunate that I’ve been able to smoke with so many interesting people and to pass the dutchie on the left hand side . With the help of many great stoner ” sommelier’s’ , we do our best to make my living room the best place for vegging out , having a cuddle , and a judicious helping of twinkies and strawberry ice cream . Gracias.

    • Jimmy3

      Thongs, Bongs and Sarongs: The Kim O’Brien Story
      Titled your autobiography for you.

      • Kim O’Brien

        LOL ….oh Jimmy ….you are SO writing my death notice

        • Jimmy3

          Ok, but give me time. I’m busy.

          • Kim O’Brien

            now on my facebook page

            A friend has decided to name my autobiography . It is so good …i’m gonna have him write it too
            Thongs, Bongs and Sarongs: The Kim O’Brien Story

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I want to pre-order this as soon as possible. 😀

            • Kim O’Brien

              I was hoping you would offer to conduct a free-of-charge fact-check on the manuscript ….then maybe pass the book on to your readers . Do me a solid ? 🙂

            • Kestrel

              You’re killing me, Kim!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              BUY KIM’S BOOK!!!! IT’S THE ONLY WAY TO UNDERSTAND DAMMIT!!

              (something like that? LOL)

        • DoveAlexa

          Should it include a recommendation to bury you face down just in case, or do you want backup for your vengeful rampage, instead? I may or may not know how to make napalm.

      • Sherbet

        That’s one of the funniest things you’ve ever said, Jimmy.

        • Ella Raitch

          I came here for the articles. These conversations are why I log in this time of day (laughing out loud in a coffee shop, drawing curious glances).

    • Mooser42001

      The numbers tell the story: “Secret Drone Footage” got 1301. An article with a photo of Marty Rathbun above it: 1488! That’s something to rueminate over.

      • Mooser42001

        Sorry, that comment wasn’t supposed to be there. Wrong placement.

    • just another guy out there
      • Kim O’Brien

        you make me happy 🙂

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Considering how clams like Bob Duggan dislike having their photos posted on the internet (http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/06/bob-duggan-the-richest-scientologist-in-the-world-is-going-to-love-our-nifty-new-drawings/), this Kendrick Moxon/PsychSearch cease & desist brouhaha is ironic. GAG! http://www.psychsearch.net/conrad-melton-swartz/
    (refresh)

    • How nice of Kendrick Moxon to go to bat for Datasearch, Inc., a totally non-Scientology company.

    • Observer

      Here’s one of Moxon I don’t have to get his permission to use.

      F5

      • stanrogers

        I’m so sorry. He’s from Barcelona.

  • flyonthewall

    I know you guys have been waiting for it so here it is. New track from the forthcoming Zack de la Rocha solo album! Squee!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLishDbwy9c

    • flyonthewall

      Frodis knows whats up. Respect

      • Frodis73

        I dug it. Looking forward to hearing the rest of the album.

        • flyonthewall

          it kinda reminds me of One Day as a Lion but more stripped down

  • Observer
    • Stephanie Loving

      Obs, I’m at my desk at work … got this playing/screaming in the background. Thanks for making my San Francisco work afternoon BETTER.

    • Kestrel

      One of my favorite bands “back in the day.”

      • Frodis73

        Are you familiar with Glen Schwartz at all? He has his own cult experience.

        • Kestrel

          No. I discovered The James Gang after he left. I wore out at least two of the “James Gang Rides Again” 8-tracks.

          • Frodis73

            Bummer, he is amazing to see live…esp if he starts preaching, lol.

    • pat k

      Going to see joe walsh on Sunday!

  • Ivan Mapother

    Off topic and maybe already discussed but Greta VanSusteren is mad because FOX has disconnected from her and shut down her blog along with all its content. She did not back it up off site and wants access to her personal photos and video. She’s pleading for fundamental decency.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Hm. Not liking disconnection and a plea for fundamental decency. Where have I heard that before?

      • Ben Franklin

        She might have to do A-E

        • Kestrel

          Just to get to the “F” in “Fox.”

          • Ben Franklin

            Yep.

    • flyonthewall
    • Ben Franklin

      FOX have gone rogue on Greta.

    • Lionel Drinkwater

      Disconnection is a fair and just personal choice when Scientologists do it to others. However, when a Scientologist is disconnected from it is a criminal act that calls for a lawsuit and a public pillorying. The Psychs are obviously behind this as their price for advertising on Fox was for Fox to dump Greta. Get ready for a new wave of Psych drug adverts on Fox.

    • Baby

      f5

      • Juicer77

        Sincerely!! XD

    • Harpoona Frittata

      $cilons begging for fundamental decency…how ironic 😉

      • LongtimeLurker

        From Fox.

        Double irony.

        • Mockingbird

          For fair and balanced news in the no spin zone.

    • April

      If she had any real … you know, technical knowledge (NOT the CO$ type) … sh’ed easily find them with the internet archive:
      https://web.archive.org/web/20160724191015/http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/

      • stanrogers

        So postulating MEST isn’t the same as educating STEM?

    • Ella Raitch

      My heart bleeds ;p

    • Juicer77

      Hmm…. an investigative journalist could find archives pretty easily. Oh, wait…

  • nottrue

    CST Twin Peaks you are next…..Shelly better do your hair

  • J. Swift

    How not to do Scientology PR.

    Scientologist Gemma Harris on Twitter claimed that the suicide rate in Scientology is lower than in atheism, Christianity, Islam, etc. I thanked her for confirming that Scientologists kill themselves. My good friend Chris Shelton could have a blast with this one.

    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/Suicide.Rate_zpsd4aauy3u.png

    • Ben Franklin

      There are way way more Christians and Atheists than there are Scientologists, but then again Scientology Math always leave a lot to be desired

      • Frodis73

        lol

      • Kim O’Brien

        one legged midgets commit suicide more than scientologists do . Then again …there are more one legged midgets than there are scientologists .

    • Frodis73

      I’d like proof of that statement! Ha, Tory (for one) sure seems to know a heck of a lot of people that have committed suicide…think of how many she can name and compare that to how many most of us can name.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Then proof is that some other Scientologist yammered it at her.

        Facts, man!

    • Observer

      What about the “end cycle” rate?

      http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/endcycle.html

      • Mockingbird

        R2-45 or stay away from Scientology to stay alive. It’s your choice.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love that handle, “gemthetwit”! Nothing like owning it, I always say 😉

      II wonder where Gem got her figures? I can’t see $cilons being all that open about Uncle Lester, the OaTy 8 offing himself.

    • Out and about

      Suicide is low via there are only 20 clams left!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Pwned, sucker!

    • Mockingbird

      The Suicide rate is lower if you accept the idea that there are many millions of Scientologists. If you accept that there are perhaps twenty thousand Scientologists left than the suicide rate may be quite high.

    • Mockingbird

      Scientology considers a suicide rate below 100% to be low.

      • Missionary Kid

        Remember, the slogan, “we come back.”

        • Mockingbird

          From R2-45 !

  • No freaking way! Are we going to see drone footage of the Arrowhead CST Facility next!?

    • edge

      Please, please, please…

    • Ben Franklin

      I think the amount of trees in that area would likely make it very difficult to navigate a drone or even be able to see anything of significance on the ground.

      • I think that a drone would work just fine. There are clearings for the buildings and drones can fly above trees. See the pic attached.

        • Ben Franklin

          It can be done, but, the quality of images of objects on the ground might not be great since the drone has to fly at a higher altitude to avoid crashing on tall trees. I don’t know if the above photo was taken from a drone or a small plane, but I think it is doable, with the caveat that the objects on the ground might not be clearly visible.

          • You’re making it sound way more complicated than it actually is. The thing practically flies itself. It can sense obstacles. And it’s tiny.

            • Ben Franklin

              Yes, it can sense obstacles, but, sometimes is senses an object in it’s path it just stops moving and hovers on the spot. Being able to fly over the target is not a problem, I am just wondering whether it would be able to see a lot of things given the amount of vegetation covering the area, the buildings.

              ETA: For the record, I am not arguing against it. I am just wondering whether in the end the result may be worthwhile the trouble based of the location of the facility.

            • I think any footage of the facility is going to be worthwile. I’m not sure what you’re picturing the end result as, but I can’t imagine it as you seem to. So full of foliage that it’s impossible to see a building. There have to be roads for cars to drive, and lots for parking and paths for people to walk. At the very least room for the buildings and the trees have to be far enough away that their roots won’t compromise the foundations.

              There would be space to see the buildings and then some. Either way I imagine we’ll find out soon. Hopefully Tony doesn’t keep us waiting past tomorrow.

        • scottmercer

          What’s the security like up there compared to Gold? I am imagining it’s not quite as large since the place has a much lower profile…but then again, because it’s a “secret” base they might be even more paranoid about it.

          • just another guy out there
          • Who knows. these people are completely fucking insane so there could be no security, there could be 1 or 2 securities or there could be a SWAT team. Who knows.

          • grundoon

            A rent-a-goon outfit called Talon Executive Services apparently provides or provided a wog security team housed across the road from the CST Twin Peaks compound. (Tony, is it time for an update on Robert MacLean?)

            A former CST staffer said the Twin Peaks base was occupied by about 18 people.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sounds like it! I think we should all pitch in and rent a bigger drone and do a candy drop too. We could buy and re-wrap some really good chocolate in wrappers printed with messages for Shelly and her fellow prisoners. I mean, some of these folks probably haven’t had any really good chocolate in years 😉

      • I think the dude has one of the best drones on the market right now when it comes to filming stuff. Would be happy to donate to this project though. He can save it for when the next drone model is released.

      • edge

        Candy is entheta! It will make them hyper and experience sensations they haven’t had in years of rice and beans!

  • randomity

    How does Chris remember those long quotes he cites? Does he actually own a teleprompter?

    • By repeating them to the wall over and over again until you don’t fuck it up. Patter drills is what they call them in Scientology.

      • randomity

        Or maybe messengers with cue cards. 🙂

        • They signed on to cue him for 1.2 million years.

      • Christinadina

        yep, i asked the same question and he answered in one of his Q&As that it was the ‘chinese school’ repetition drills.

  • nottrue

    Could it be time for a closer view……

    • FredEX2

      Don’t know if we need a closer look when we can already see the crazy from this far 👽

      • LongtimeLurker

        “Scientology – now with crazy you can see from space!”

    • Mockingbird

      Compare Kool filter kings for ecclesiastical inspiration.

      • Juicer77

        Always makes me laugh!!

        • Mockingbird

          Thanks. I was stunned when I found out the symbol was chosen because Hubbard loved Kook filter kings and they have that logo on the pack of cigarettes !

          • Juicer77

            Are there dox on that? Or is it a $ci urban legend?

            • Mockingbird

              I believe I read about it here or at ESMB. I thought an ex Sea Org member said it but I am not 100% sure of that.

    • I wonder if the 5 mile rule for drones applies to private air-strips used once in a blue moon?

  • Susan black

    Hi dave, nice pad. Lush trees, all that cool shade. Next time you’re enjoying drinks and dinner on the patio keep an eye on the sky. And if you see the drone, give us a wave.

  • Who let the drones out? Woof, buzz, woof, hum.

    • Missionary Kid

      *Snickersnort*

      Edit: Eliminated the rest of my comment. Wrong reference. Brain fart.

  • Observer
    • April

      The dumbass doesn’t know she can just use the wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20160724191015/http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/

      • Missionary Kid

        Probably, her old blog belongs to Fox, so she may not be able to use any of it. They’ve probably copyrighted it, so she can only go for fair use, and can’t use entire posts.

    • Jimmy3

      That’s topical humor right there. Like when it’s so bad, you need a topical ointment for the rash.

    • LongtimeLurker

      You go, girl!

      Dare to dream!

      Postulate or perish!

      Hey, that’s funny. Did I just make that up?

    • salin

      Apparently, after she gave her public resignation (for x weeks in the future), her date of on-air absence was pushed up by fox to “immediately” and included a deleting of her Fox-based website. Welcome to the real world, Greta.

      • Missionary Kid

        There’s also the matter than apparently she supported Roger Ailes, and the people who took over, (the younger Murdochs) don’t like Ailes. He got away with his shit for such a long time because he was making money for Fox, but when the rest of the women lined up behind Gretchen Carlson, including Megyn Kelly, to charge him with harassment, he was done. It pisses me off that he got double the payoff that Carlson did when he left.

        • salin

          I think there are so many levels of awful yet to be exposed about Ailes actions and fox news. But I agree, and am pissed off, that Ailes will likely end up (because he is so powerful, has files per off the books investigations into perceived enemies) with few consequences.

          • Missionary Kid

            The fact that Ailes is one of Trump’s advisors doesn’t speak well for Trump. His sexual predations have been existent in his previous workplaces. He made Fox into RNN: Republican News Network.

            Ailes has been a sneaky SOB all along. He’s never been “fair and balanced” or let people “decide for themselves”. Fox news has been infotainment all along. There’s some news, but a lot of opinion pieces that fit in with the directives that have come down from Ailes. Those directives from Ailes have been published, and the repetition of catchphrases or terms by all of the Fox people in a chorus have been documented on other websites and TV shows.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thinking about it further, Fox will hush up the extent of his misdeeds, because they will make the corporation look bad.

    • Is she as blank as her webpage?

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Way to go. *rolleyes* Start a blog with a spiteful reference domain name rather than disassociate and rebrand.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hold a grudge, it’s the Fox way!

  • MaxSpaceman

    After all the footage of the Scientology’s Int Base, it’s evident:

    That ridiculous compound, in an absurd location, bisected pathetically by a significant roadway, has become– a stupid storage space for un-needed equipment, things, and an aging staff.

    Not filling the Org Boards and staffing the base as desired — over the course of nearly a decade — seems ‘purposeful.’ Not some blundering around. A planned phase-out of Int/Gold. Replaced by FL-LA-SMP.

    Int decision-making, affecting Scn nationally and globally, has been diminished so as to be non-existent. The place is now a corral. For people. All significant Scn management is coming from Clearwater FL and L.A.

    The LRH Mansion: the huge house and its lovely “lot” (huge) is an empty ‘pitiful’ waste. And worthless, where it is.

    The COB Office Bldg.: the huge, empty, waste-of-space office will remain un-occupied. Dave has shifted his daily leadership work space to another location. He is done working at Int.

    Int is being phased out into housing for useless staff, many aging staff, and old equipment.

    The display of the video footage reveals the disintegration/consolidation of Scn is rapidly apace.

    • Missionary Kid

      Agreed. Dictators often keep their organizations in chaos by many reorganizations because it prevents a coup. By not having an org board, it keeps everyone nervous about their position.

  • Mockingbird

    Good slave caste compound filled day Bunkeroos. It’s obvious the compound needs a low wage involuntary labor force. As the United States doesn’t follow the universal declaration of human rights regarding slavery it’s quite fitting that Scientology also routinely uses prisoners for involuntary servitude. The euphemism for slavery.

    Scientology using RPF members or cadet org members to maintain the grounds is their usual solution and it’s odd Miscavige isn’t using it. Instead of playing soccer or perhaps frolicking freely children could once again be doing hard labor for Scientology. Plenty of adults can be sent to the RPF to slave away for pennies an hour and to alternate between manual labor and the Truth Rundown.

    Hubbard himself would be proud.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Wait, what?

      The U.S. didn’t come to the party on that?

      • Mockingbird

        No . In the thirteenth amendment to the United States constitution slavery is clearly allowed for prisoners. It’s a very clear violation of the universal declaration of human rights.

        The United States allows slave labor.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Ah…well criminals, that’s okay then.

          (Not my actual opinion).

          • Mockingbird

            Remember this when you get a jaywalking or speeding ticket. Prisoners are human beings and allowing them to be slaves creates a potential profit which capitalism can encourage with for profit prisons that lobby for tough sentences and mandatory minimums.

            I am not a fan of slavery under any circumstances.

            • LongtimeLurker

              For profit prisons are insane.

              I couldn’t believe it when I first read about it (outside of science fiction, I mean).

            • Mockingbird

              They are always waiting to warehouse more laborers. The perfect labor source, no rights to minimum wage or unions or even seeking alternative employment.

              Corporations love for profit prisons and the involuntary labor they provide. It’s a system Hubbard would delight in

          • Mockingbird

            And technically to be a bit more honest we are dealing with prisoners, not criminals. Wrongfully convicted innocent people will be enslaved under our system and in fact are slaves every day.

            A bit too Scientological for me.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Very good point.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think that the criminals are supposed to at least be paid some small amount. UNICOR, the private prison corporation, makes money off those poor prisoners. Since the corporation’s goal is to make money, they’ll try to keep those wages as low as possible. I believe that we should abolish private prisons.

          Slavery in the U.S. was unique in that there was no mechanism by which a slave could buy their freedom, as in other countries, and the slaves children automatically became the property of the master, which was not the case in most other countries. In other countries, slaves could often work one day, or a certain period, a week in order to make money to free themselves.

          Slavery in the U.S. was particularly onerous, compared with other countries. I believe that private prisons are particularly onerous compared with other, state run prisons.

          • Mockingbird

            In some cases prisoners are in an involuntary labor condition they are punished brutally for not cooperaing with. A few cents an hour doesn’t change that.

            I can’t compare slavery from place to place but take the simple route of preferring it to be banned everywhere. The allocation of prisoners just makes it more appealing to imprison the most vulnerable in society and to turn a profit off their servitude. That creates invective to arrest and imprison people. Incentives that have nothing to do with justice or protecting society.

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree that prisoners should be paid far better, and given the opportunity, but not forced to work. The problem is that we are most often warehousing criminals, and that turns prisons into crime schools.

            • Mockingbird

              I have to say there is truth to your points. I would say also many people in prison would be better off in a rehab or hospital.

            • Missionary Kid

              For one thing, our treatment of drug additction has been a great failure. The medical model is a far better way of handling it.

              In California, ever since gov. Ronny Regan pushed through community based mental health care, which was a good idea, then, in following years, cut the budget so those people ended up with no support, there are a lot of mentally ill people who ended hp in jail. I believe that model was duplicated in other states.

              The way that we warehouse people convicted of crimes makes the crazy even crazier, and the criminal even more criminal.

            • Mockingbird

              Yeah, at this point to fully express my opinion would take a book. Suffice it to say I wish for several major reforms.

            • Missionary Kid

              I added to my reply that working should be entirely voluntary.

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks

      • Mockingbird

        Here’s the thirteenth amendment.

        Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

        Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

      • Mockingbird

        The US ? Founded on genocide, theft and slavery ? Never abandoned any of those core values.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I wonder seriously if they have too few SO slaves still there? It has been said 250 are left? And what are they doing? I’d like to hear from a recent escapee. Maybe they don’t have enough to do the grounds also.

      • Mockingbird

        They need an international recruitment drive to boost Sea Org membership so they can use slave labor get all Scientology properties up to the highest ecclesiastical standards of slavemaster general David Miscavige.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          yes and they are doing quite well with their fraudulent use of R-1 religious visas, no thanks to our government which is paying no attention at all.

          • Mockingbird

            That’s the problem with special privilege for a religious organization. Someone will abuse them.

  • salin

    My appreciation for today’s post and the comments (and reminder to recommend) I share some images of very active recent Aurora’s – forget induced space opera – the real opera of nature is so awesome.

    Finnish Lapland (north Finland) from Sept 9 http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=129220&PHPSESSID=ksepn37c52uv635h4fpifbq8j6

    Fairbanks, Alaska Sept 8 http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=129205&PHPSESSID=ksepn37c52uv635h4fpifbq8j6

    A little older (Sept 1) but the name of the point – and the visual – makes the cut: From Hubbard Glacier in Amsterdam http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=129199&PHPSESSID=ksepn37c52uv635h4fpifbq8j6

    Awesome contrast of an apparent industrial plant with a vibrant natural aurora in the background from Sept 7 in Iceland http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=129205&PHPSESSID=ksepn37c52uv635h4fpifbq8j6

    • Kim O’Brien

      love these

      • salin

        Thanks, Kim – it’s a small contribution I can make (as long as it’s appreciated) when I have little time to engage in the comments section. 🙂

    • Vaquera

      Over the weekend I met a professor who shoots rockets into the Auroras. I don’t remember why, but sounded cool.

      • salin

        Sounds very interesting.

      • Kestrel

        I’m going to use that line this weekend. Considering I live in a part of the world that doesn’t experience Auroras may make it less than believable. That, and depending on the individual, I may have explain what one is.

        • Vaquera

          I’m going to run into him again in the next month or so and I’ll ask for a more detailed description. The band was too loud to catch everything he was saying this time around.

          • Missionary Kid

            I think that the rocket is probably doing is either measuring or capturing the atmospheric particles or the charged particles that enter the upper atmosphere.

        • I’m going to use that line this weekend.

      • Sherbet

        It wasn’t Jack Parsons, was it? Because he’s dead.

        • Vaquera

          Not dead, but knocking on the door.

          • Sherbet

            That’s OK if he has money.

            • Vaquera

              As I said, he a professor.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, no money.

            • Vaquera

              That’s in no way a deal breaker. The fact the I have another 25# on him is
              But seriously, very nice man. Looking forward to learning more.

            • Sherbet

              I’m eager to know what an aurora rocket shooter does, too. Kindly report.

  • nottrue

    I think so…

    • salin

      The donation followed by the hosted fundraiser – er… yes.

      • Missionary Kid

        What Mar-a Lago charged her was far less than what it charged the Republican Party for one of Trump’s bashes. ($140K). They claimed that it was a “lawn party” for her, so they billed her just under $5,000, but I’d want to see proof of how little of the facilities she actually used.

    • Juicer77

      And the Bondi-$ci connection!

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    I want my bathroom back.

    F5

    EDIT – uninterested bystanders, this OT thread has become quite long. If this is a problem, please make use of collapse thread tech via the little minus symbol at the top right of this comment.

    • OOkpik

      I’m willing to share.

      • LongtimeLurker

        …dear…
        ….God…

        • OOkpik

          .

          • LongtimeLurker

            Did this reply change, or am I going crazy? Doesn’t matter I guess.

            • stanrogers

              They’re not necessarily mutually exclusive, you know. I know.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good point.

              Who said that?!?

            • OOkpik

              I removed it. You’re fine.
              I thought maybe I was getting a little too playful and might have unintentionally offended you.

            • LongtimeLurker

              oh. No it’s all good.

              But thanks for thinking of me.

              That gif is amazing.

      • salin

        Yikes. Oh so many levels of creepy.

        *waves hello*

        • OOkpik

          Hi, darlin’. Mmmmwaah

          eta: Yes, very creepy.

      • Mockingbird

        That’s only a hundred times safer than Scientology.

        • At least you have the option to flush!

          • Mockingbird

            Bye bye BTs !

          • Mockingbird

            Yuck !

      • Who the fuck made that recording? That is so sick… lol

      • Sherbet

        Elmer, don’t sit! It’s a trick!

    • Missionary Kid

      A broken toilet flange, and rihgt at the “T”. No fun. I guess they’ll have to replace the T, then the floor. Ohboyohboyohboy.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah.

        Everything was installed by cowboys apparently.

        • Missionary Kid

          That looks like it’s in either a mobile home, or totally done incorrectly. Usually, there’s a curve to the drain below the toilet, with a vent line coming out of it in a regular house. That way, when the toilet is flushed, the curve adds some impetus to its trip down the drain.

          • LongtimeLurker

            It’s the second storey of a recently renovated Edwardian (that sounded more defensive than I intended).

            It’s actually the shower.

            But you are completely right about how incorrectly it was done.

            I was there when they took the shower out, and we saw how it had been installed.

            I know just enough about this stuff that I burst out laughing. Then I left the room and had a drink.

            Cowboys.

            • What’sup

              Yee Hah!

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., I only looked at the flange and assumed it was for a toilet. Usually, that flange is clamped to the bottom of the waterproof membrane, while the drain itself is clamped to the top and is inserted into that flange, IIRC. I can understand why they don’t have a curved drain. It’s probably so that the ceiling below isn’t dropped further, and I suspect that the ceilings are low as it is. A remodel on an old house like that requires a lot of ingenuity. (The oldest house I ever worked on here in the U.S. was about 80 years old, and had plumbing in it when it was built). Your house, being Edwardian, may not have had indoor plumbing, or as much as we require in a house today.

            • LongtimeLurker

              What would you say if I said the phrase “what waterproof membrane”?

              Edit – and yeah, it totally looked like the toilet flange, I get that.

            • Missionary Kid

              It can either be a waterproof membrane or fiberglass, or waterproof “thin set” that is coated with waterproofing, and under shower tile. I’m not familiar with British methods, but whatever is used can’t leak so all of the water runs down the drain.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah. It was overlapping sheets of rotten, swollen, moldy plywood.

              Edit – which even in Australia is not up to code.

            • Missionary Kid

              What was the bottom of the shower made of that was on top of the plywood? Somebody didn’t know what they were doing, as you’ve already surmised.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I wasn’t in the room for that bit, MK.

              There were the slate tiles that you stood on while showering.

              Now there must have been something between those and the ply…(although maybe not)…

              But I know what it wasn’t, because I’d have spotted it in the pile of rubbish they threw out.

              It wasn’t a metal tray (whatever that’s called).

              It wasn’t a giant heavy ceramic or stone base (like the one they’ve just installed), not that you’d tile over that anyway.

              And it wasn’t an acrylic base, unless they smashed it into little pieces after ripping it out.

              The tradesmen have gone for the day. I’ll ask when they return and report back.

              The owner doesn’t even have legal recourse, apparently, because the limitation is 7 years and the renovation was done 10 years ago.

              On the other hand, I should shut up, because First World Problems, right?

            • Missionary Kid

              Go ahead an vent away. You’re family here. Is there a contractor’s licensing board that can be complained to? At least the comment can be posted online about their work, but you’ll probably need evidence to avoid Britain’s libel laws.

              What started the investigation into the leaky shower in the first place?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thanks MK.

              It was started when I said “mould keeps growing in my bathroom that I clean every week like clockwork and the door doesn’t shut properly anymore, I believe the reason is the frame has swollen from damp. I think it’s pretty obvious the shower is leaking.”

              That was almost a year ago.

              So now they’ve finally given up on the various cheap quotes they kept getting and they’re paying proper people to do it properly with proper materials.

              I hope.

            • Missionary Kid

              Sounds like the guy fixing it now at least knows what he’s doing. Good luck.

            • Kim O’Brien

              just fly him out there to fix it correctly . It will be cheaper in the long run . None of this fake cowboy shit

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good plan.

              You in MK?

              We can visit the wombats while you’re here, too.

    • Ella Raitch

      Insert Munch scream face here

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah…Exactly.

    • April

      I don’t want to alarm you, but it appears that your bathroom floor and toilet are missing.
      Good thing for you that I don’t charge money for my astute observation skills.

      • LongtimeLurker

        WHAT?!?

        (It’s actually my shower that’s missing from that angle)

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I just got two new ones from Japan. Like a really nice mattress it would be hard to go back.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Did that dog come with them?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          No she’s Lora, one of my 3 Greyhounds. They are made by Toto and very comfortable.

          • Juicer77

            The spot on her butt shows exactly where to scritch. XD

    • Robert Eckert
      • LongtimeLurker

        That was great.

      • Missionary Kid

        That really was a great bit.

  • J. Swift

    “In January 1980, fearing a raid by law enforcement agencies, Hubbard’s representatives ordered the shredding of all documents showing that Hubbard controlled Scientology organizations, finances, personnel, or the property at Gilman Hot Springs. In a two week period, approximately one million pages were shredded pursuant to this order.” –California appellate court, 2nd. district, 3rd. division, July 29, 1991, B025920 & B038975, Super. Ct. No. C 420153

    see: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2016/02/11/twenty-things-judges-have-said-about-scientology/

  • Mockingbird

    One thing David Miscavige has done very successfully is accumulate real estate. He could sell a small fraction the Scientology portfolio and fund lawsuits and OSA operations for decades.

    His appetites won’t be limited by any financial limits, certainly not ones like most people have.

  • Just another sentimental song. Love.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csUAVPHvwpg

    • “All that we needed was right
      The fresh hold is breaking tonight

      Open to everything happy and sad
      Seeing the good when it’s all going bad
      Seeing the sun when I can’t really see
      Hoping the sun will at least look at me

      Focus on everything better today
      All that I need and I never could say
      Hold on people that slipping away
      Hold on to this while it’s slipping away

      All that we needed tonight
      Are people who love us and like
      I know how it feels to meant
      Oh and we leave here, the seas

      Open to everything happy and sad
      Seeing the good when it’s all going bad
      Seeing the sun when I can’t really see
      Hoping the sun will at least look at me

      Focus on everything better today
      All that I need and I never could say
      Hold on people that slipping away
      Hold on to this while it’s slipping away

      So long
      So long

      Open to everything happy and sad
      Seeing the good when it’s all going bad
      Seeing the sun when I can’t really see
      Hoping the sun will at least look at me

      Focus on everything better today
      All that I need and I never could say
      Hold on to people that slipping away..”