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Steven Mango, who appears in Theroux film, calls police to Scientology facility over assault

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[L to R: Andrew Perez, Steven Mango, and BBC presenter Louis Theroux]

Steven Mango makes an appearance in Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie, which opens in Australia in less than two weeks and in the US in January. But last night, Mango got more than he bargained for when he tried to warn some Hollywood tourists about his bad experiences with the Church of Scientology and ended up with a sore shoulder, a police report, and plans to sue over what he characterizes as an unprovoked assault.

We first ran into Mango when he told his story in a 2014 YouTube video about how, like so many others, he’d been sucked into Scientology as an aspiring actor in Hollywood. In Theroux’s film, he makes a brief but memorable appearance explaining that in just a short amount of time, he was convinced to pay huge amounts of money for piles of church publications and courses. (In the photo above, he’s pictured with Theroux and Andrew Perez, who plays Scientology leader David Miscavige in the movie.)

After about four years of taking courses, Mango got fed up with the constant push to spend more money, as well as aggressive recruiting to join Scientology’s “Sea Org” and dedicate his entire life to the church. He dropped out in 2012, and since 2014 has consistently spoken out about what he went through.

And last night, he tells us, he wanted to show a curious friend what all the fuss was about. “My friend Sarah was visiting from New Jersey, so we were on Hollywood Boulevard,” he told us last night after he got home from the incident. “She mentioned reading Leah Remini’s book and wanted to see the Test Center. So we walk over, and I see them roping in families with strollers. So I got in my activism mode.”

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[The Christie Hotel/Hollywood Inn/Scientology Test Center on Hollywood Boulevard]

The Scientology facility on Hollywood Boulevard at McCadden Place is currently in its newest incarnation after a recent renovation. It was originally the Christie Hotel, opened in 1922, then was renamed the Drake Hotel and then the Hollywood Inn before Scientology took it over. And that’s the name some Scientology oldtimers still call it as it became a berthing location for the church’s low-paid staff. For many years, the building was also known as the Scientology Test Center, but then just recently it was renovated and the organization now calls it the Church of Scientology Information Center — but very few people seem to call it that. It’s most recognizable for the vertical Scientology sign along its front, and also as the location, in the lot next door, where the church used to put up its annual “Winter Wonderland” display.

Last night, several staff “body routers” were trying to get passersby to come into the building, presumably to see a video about Scientology or to take a personality test. Mango’s friend decided to continue sightseeing and walked away as he stayed outside the center to see if he could keep the tourists from taking Scientology’s bait.

Mango went to his car and retrieved a “Call Me” protest sign, modeled on the billboards that former Scientologists Phil and Willie Jones put up in Los Angeles and Florida to bring attention to Scientology’s “disconnection” policy that keeps them away from their own two grown kids in the church. Mango received one of the smaller Call Me signs from the Joneses, and had used it for demonstrations at Scientology’s “Big Blue” downtown complex.

For about an hour, Mango says, he stood outside the Information Center approaching people who had been leafleted by the Scientology staffers. “People asked me what I was protesting about, and then threw away the fliers.”

“I was saying some things, ‘David Miscavige beats his staff,’ or ‘Scientology rips apart families,’ or ‘Scientology rips off people on Hollywood Boulevard.’ But mostly, I held my sign until someone asked about it.”

The Scientologists got fed up with him, he says, and started taunting him. “Steve, we just sold a book, no one reads your fucking sign,” and “You failed in Scientology,” and “Go home. You and your sign are worthless.”

“They were telling people, ‘He is insane and was released from the psych ward and isn’t on his meds, you can’t listen to him’.”

Mango said he didn’t mind the taunts. But then, someone who hadn’t said a word to him suddenly rushed him and body-slammed him into the building’s windows.

Usually, Mango records video when he’s protesting, as protection, and he’s usually with other people. But this time, the battery on his camera was low, so he wasn’t filming, and he was alone — and a Scientologist took advantage of it.

The man who barrelled into him laughed while he did it, Mango says. But Mango stuck around, continuing to carry his sign. And then, about 20 minutes later, the same Scientology staffer came back, carrying fliers, and this time, he attacked Mango with a slashing karate chop on his arm, and again with a sneering chuckle.

Mango says he threatened to call the police, and then decided to go to the nearest police station instead. He filed a report, but couldn’t put down the name of his attacker, since he didn’t know it. But then, as he was driving home, he spotted the same man, again on Hollywood Boulevard outside the Information Center, handing out fliers. Mango called police to the location.

 
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[Mango managed to snap this shot of his attacker, the man with the white hair.]

 
Two officers arrived, and Mango talked to them, explaining that he’d been unable to identify his attacker when he’d filled out the police report, but now he could point the man out. He said they were eager to help him out, and asked him about his experiences in the church.

“They said they hate dealing with Scientology,” he says. The officers then went into the Information Center to talk with the man who had struck Mango.

“So many security guards came when the police showed up. Odo from PAC and many others were frantically on their phones,” Mango adds, referring to a well-known Scientology guard who patrols the “Big Blue” complex on Fountain Avenue that is known to Scientologists as PAC base, for Pacific Area Command.

The police interviewed Mango’s attacker, and also viewed video from the building’s security cameras. Meanwhile, Mango managed to snap a photo of the officers in the building…

 
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The police officers told Mango that the man’s name was John Joseph La Voie, age 63. Mark Plummer, the former Scientologist and longtime critic and archivist, tells Mango that La Voie at one time had been the “LRH Communicator Secretary” at the American Saint Hill Organization, one of the high-level course facilities at PAC base. One listing in a Scientology publication indicates that La Voie has been in the church at least since 1981.

“He was claiming that he did hit me but that it was an accident. But twenty minutes later he walked straight up to me and karate chopped my arm. That is no accident.” Mango says. Security video of the first encounter did show the man knocking into Mango, but the officers told him that they couldn’t tell from the camera angle if it had been “malicious.”

“They said if they had seen him laugh and smirk about the body check, they would arrest him. But the camera wasn’t positioned that way,” he says.

Mango says his shoulder still hurts, and it’s painful for him to lift his arm. He’s going to have it looked at today, and he says he’s also going to talk to an attorney about filing suit.

In the meantime, Australian filmgoers can see Mango in Theroux’s film starting September 7, and our UK readers can catch the movie starting October 10. American moviegoers will have to wait until January. We saw the movie last year in London and found it hilarious as Scientology’s security goons followed Louis Theroux around with cameras.

None of them body-slammed him, though.

 
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[Mango filed a police report after being attacked twice.]

 
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Chris Shelton on ‘Scientology’

 
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  • Mockingbird

    It’s absurd that people have to describe rules for filming or protesting Scientology as if you are behind enemy lines facing a ruthless and entirely unethical opponent. An opponent who is hellbent on destroying anyone that won’t submit to the authority of Hubbard and Scientology. It seems so extreme it’s counterintuitive.

    People expect others to be reasonable and rational, to be capable of being worked with and having common traits of empathy and humility to be appealed to. But in Scientology Hubbard and his cult put in a relentless and long-standing effort to eradicate the empathy and humility within Scientologists and make them unreasonable in dealing with those who refuse to submit to Hubbard. They are forged into ruthless enemies of outsiders, haters and destroyers of others.

    Hubbard said quite clearly:

    “The purpose of Ethics is
    TO REMOVE COUNTER-INTENTIONS FROM THE ENVIRONMENT.
    And having accomplished that the purpose becomes
    TO REMOVE OTHER-INTENTIONEDNESS FROM THE ENVIRONMENT.
    Thus progress can be made by all.”

    “”The person who enters a Scientology group to then sell other-answer is of course an enemy.
    However we go about accomplishing the above is the action of Ethics. The above is the purpose.”
    Ron Hubbard
    Founder
    From
    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 18 JUNE 1968
    (Also issued as FO 909)
    ETHICS

    • When there are fanatics for a cause, it doesn’t pay to underestimate the lengths that they’ll go to.

      http://www.paulmorantz.com/the_synanon_story/true-story-of-synanon-violence-and-how-it-started/

      • Baby

        Oh that brings back bad memories.. RM..

        In my small town in Ohio.. let’s see 3,000 .. I know that NOT one person knows or cares about Scientology or abuses.

        If they rounded up say 25 townsfolk and put them in a place comparable to ” The Hole..” they would care. You know because they KNOW the person.

        Or if the Mayor’s wife ends up ” Missing..” It would be on the weekly front page newspaper. The whole town would be clucking and getting down to finding her.

        And it’s not only the apathy in my hometown..

        I know the numbers are going down.. but Sweet Jesus EVERYONE should be CLUCKING.

        And right now I’m feeling bitchy about it.. I guess it’s because I talked to my friend’s Husband last week.

        He asked me.. ” Why do you care so much about Scientology.. ( His wife told him) I asked him if he saw Going Clear. He said ” No..”

        I filled him in on the Cliff Notes..( His wife was swimming) and he seemed interested. And then he said.. ” But Why do you care what they do? How does that impact your life?”

        ( Uh… Have you been listening about the abuse..The mind control..the Hole, DM’s abuses..Sea Org’s Hrs and Pay and RPF..Disconnection ? Financial Ruin? blah, blah.. ( I thought to myself..)

        I said..” David.. I am confused. Why don’t you care? ” and he said.. ” It does not change my life one way or another. (?)

        I do not understand people like this and not only that..I know so many people like that. I never bring up Scn. to anyone unless they ask. And he asked.

        And you ask me why I live on an Island.. ( I must admit I was pissed, but kept it to myself..)

        OK off my Grand Stand.. I just had to tell you all ( who understand) how I felt.. errrrgh

        • Kay

          Well as you know the saying goes “a society is judged by how they treat the weakest and most vulnerable among them.” (paraphrasing) I don’t understand people like that either that don’t respond to the horror show that is Scientology. I know we all have a lot to worry about in life and have to pick and choose our battles, but that doesn’t mean that we disregard/marginalize the injustice of other people’s predicaments and those who are trying to help, support and understand them. It’s a stunning lack of empathy.

          • Baby

            Amen Kay.. I agree 100% .. sigh.. It is so frustrating..My Granddaughter understands..

            We watched ” Going Clear” and she was ready to pick up the Picket signs..

      • Mockingbird

        I read about that horror show. It’s a legend among rehab cults as the absolute worst. What that place became is a warning about groups of all kinds. Any group can be turned evil.

    • Gib

      well said MB.

      If one substitutes the word “environment” with “scientologist”, well there you go, an entrapment .A word play. a rhetorical device.

      “”The purpose of Ethics is
      TO REMOVE COUNTER-INTENTIONS FROM THE Scientologist.
      And having accomplished that the purpose becomes
      TO REMOVE OTHER-INTENTIONEDNESS FROM THE Scientologist.
      Thus progress can be made by all.”

      • Mockingbird

        Yes. That’s an interpretation that is consistent with Hubbard’s policies. It’s easily demonstrated in KSW and many other references.

        Hubbard’s idea of progress is following Scientology. Being able is being able to practice Scientology as he described it. But the ultimate unexamined idea is what is Scientology ?

        At its core Scientology is the instructions Hubbard provided. So being able in Scientology is being able to OBEY Hubbard himself. That’s the capable he referred to in KSW when he said “we would rather have you dead than incapable”, that is the capability you must attain or die.

        But by obscuring everything in Scientology and not allowing ideas to be brought forth for examination Hubbard kept their ultimate meaning and implications hidden, obviously by intent.

        • Gib

          very true, what a lot of people miss, at least those still in the scientology mindset, is that the written tech, is written as HCOB’s and HCO PL’s, and not Scientology PL’s or Bulletins.

          • Mockingbird

            The distinction between the two won’t hold meaing to most outsiders. To Scientologists the difference is crucial.

            They often buy into Hubbard’s claims of being the source and that every word and symbol in Scientology is as he intended or it’s not Scientology. Even with David Miscavige’s many alterations and addition’s to the technology many either resist or leave the main cult while retaining loyalty to Hubbard or see Miscavige as Hubbard’s proxy.

            For the Miscavige submissive cult members they give him enough authority as Hubbard’s emissary or messenger that he is also treated as a messianic figure and like Hubbard seen as above human and infallible.

            Like how Jesus has been seen as the messenger or messiah by some Christians and capable of creating a new covenant with God’s people or acting as the messenger for God.

            Many Scientologists see Hubbard as ABOVE God. If they believe in God at all. There are Scientologists who see God as a big thetan that created the universe or several prior universes. In Scientology doctrine the current physical universe is at times alternately described as being created by a group of thetans long ago or by God.

            I once met an executive director of a local org that saw it as a simple situation. God existed long ago, created the universe or a series of prior universes. God found the responsibility of handling his creations overwhelming and difficult. So God went away, like an absentee parent to all of creation including the physical and spiritual components including all thetans.

            Hubbard as the savior in Scientology is seen as having through genius, individual outstanding character and personal spiritual ability undone all the trillions and trillions of years of decline all beings in this universe have undergone.

            So Hubbard in this myth is described as attaining unequalled wisdom and then choosing to take responsibility for all creation and to take over the duties God wasn’t up to the challenge of handling. That’s meant to be seen as literally true and factual.

            Hubbard’s been described as a more competent replacement for God. In Scientology people describe a person as holding from above a position on the organizing board if it is empty and no subordinate is available. I have heard several Scientologists joke that Hubbard holds God’s post from ABOVE. Meaning Hubbard is above God and filling in for an incompetent slacker to get the job done which God neglects. Once Hubbard said the closest he ever came to quitting is admitting God himself couldn’t do the job that Hubbard does. Quite humble that Hubbard.

    • Well said.

      That’s how Scientology front groups suck in so many well-meaning people. Folks who think human rights and anti-drug messages are important are likely to assign good intentions to others who appear to share those concerns.

      They don’t expect Scientology to break that implied social contract to the outrageous extent that they do. It’s part of Scientology’s protection that reasonable people can’t believe how unreasonable they are prepared to be until after they have been conned.

      Come to think of it, this is how every confidence game works.

      • chukicita

        That’s why “Scientology: It’s always worse than you think” is such a successful meme.

      • Mockingbird

        Yeah. You don’t expect someone to lie and betray you. That’s the fundamental opening Hubbard exploited.

  • Jimmy3

    Alternate headline:

    Sea Org’s Chuck Norris Chops Mango

    I’m available for work if you need.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I hope you’ve kept your day job…

      • Jimmy3

        For now. Although I’m looking to exercise my options… Are you still a manager at the condescension factory?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Manager? I own the place.

    • Ella Raitch

      I’d buy that rag

  • Sarah James

    Sorry Steven got hurt, but really think Scientology shows it’s ass all the time now.

    • Baby

      Sarah I agree and they are very predictable.

  • Baby

    ” 4 O’ Clock and All is well..” The Bunker Crier f5

  • Baby

    I am drinking tonight.. what the hell I’ve had a rough time.. Discovered Mike’s Watermelon Lemonade.. Cheers.

    I’m back to my Summer hours..I can not begin to tell you how hot it is here.. ugh f5

    • Juicer77

      LOL go to bed, Baby, you’re drunk. 😉 xoxo

      • Baby

        Nah.. I’ve only had 3.. I’m done.. I’m actually a lightweight .. yawnnnnn… I’ve been eating Kettle Corn like I’m getting paid to eat it Juice..

  • Inb4 I ruthlessly put ethics in on this SP….

  • OOkpik

    Has the confrontational approach to protesting ever had much success in helping Scientologists reevaluate their devotion to Scientology?

    It seems kind of bass-ackward to be saying things and using signage that is known to be offensive to them in the hopes of “enlightening ” them.

    Isn’t a more measured and compassionate approach what gets them thinking?…or at least listening?.

    • Graham

      One day the Wind and the Sun had a bet as to who was the more powerful. “See that man?” said the Wind, “Watch me make him take his coat off”. The Wind stormed and raged around the man, but the more he blew the more tightly the man held on to his coat. When it was the Sun’s turn she smiled gently on the man, who relaxed, enjoyed her warmth and removed his coat. Noisy confrontation is often not the best way to get someone to do what you want.

      • OOkpik

        I remember that parable from eons ago and it is no less impressive today. Thanks, Graham. It expresses my sentiments better than I.

      • The problem is that pesky social isolation – the sun can’t shine inside the org. Scientologists just get buffeted by the wind that comes out of Hubbard and Miscavige and think that’s the whole world.

    • I also wonder if confrontational protests don’t actually create solidarity and excitement among members and actually make them more committed – particularly at this stage of the game, when the ideal orgs are empty and membership is noticeably thinning out (and ageing).

      However, the power of Scientology lies in its ability to socially isolate people. Those who make that kind of protest reason that doing something is better than doing nothing at all. If you do nothing, those inside remain isolated and controlled. It can’t do any harm, they think, to stir Scientologists complacency up a bit.

      They also aim to provoke the management into taking action (which will likely be ineffective) and demonstrate to everyone that Scientology simply does perform as advertised (we’ve given it everything we’ve got – why are the SPs still there?)

      I wonder if, under the Miscavige regime, the emphasis on ‘ethics’ and ‘fund-raising’ isn’t doing the protester’s jobs for them – I wonder if people are more likely to leave if they are left alone until the pressure just gets too much.

      My personal observation is that it is assertive people who have good reason to be angry at Scientology who initiate the confrontational protests. Their position is that the alternative is doing nothing, and they feel the urgent need to do something. I understand their position, even if I might not completely share it.

      The compassionate alternative would be to establish and effective organisation to help those who wanted to leave but didn’t dare and send them information via a variety of channels. However, this is an order of magnitude more difficult, not least because the OSA would be all over it.

      At this stage, the questions are , ‘is it better to do nothing at all, and let Miscavige drive people out for you?’ and ‘what are the compassionate people actually doing?’

      • Graham

        Yes, it’s a dilemma. “Doing nothing” seems a bit pathetic, but may actually be the best policy at this stage of the game.

        I’m reminded of the Canadian protester profiled by Tony a few weeks ago who protested for years outside his local Org. Eventually his inside contact advised him to stop because the threat of his protests was now the only thing bringing members in to the Org.

        Noisy protests risk reinforcing Hubbard’s message that it’s a dangerous world out there, and also give the impression that “We must be a potent force in the world; otherwise why would the Wogs be protesting?”

        • I agree. I’m not arguing against that point of view.

          However, having come to know a couple of ‘noisy protesters’ and think of them as friends, I can understand, and sympathise with, their point of view, even though it is diametrically opposite to my own.

          They do make the point that the central problem is bursting that bubble.

      • chukicita

        I think there are different audiences at protests.

        Some people are more interested in informing Scientologists that they actually have choices.
        Others are more interested in raising awareness of organizational abuses and policy-driven bad behavior.

      • OOkpik

        It needn’t be a question of either/or. Unlike Scientologists, we have the liberty to tailor our approach to better serve the purpose of helping these folks out. Why invite antagonism? Most people respond well to a little kindness and dog knows these people could use some. It can open an avenue for useful information and support.

    • Xenu is my Homeboy

      Protests are about warning non-members about scientology as well. That said, I think Tory Christman, when she was in, responded to a more kindly approach.

      • Only because she communicated at length with someone online. That kind of breech of social isolation would not be tolerated today.

        I know I’m banging on about this, but I think it’s the central problem – you can’t gently persuade someone who refuses to acknowledge your existence, let alone talk to you.

        The problem is bursting the bubble/ Once that is done, Scientology is very vulnerable, because it is such a fragile belief system. In most cases, Scientology does this for you, by putting so much pressure on its own members that they go online looking for a way out, and become open to persuasion.

        • Baby

          f5

        • chukicita

          Tory and Andreas’ conversation wouldn’t have been tolerated back then, either. But it happened.

          I think the best thing is to dance and eat caek and invite the notion that there is another way to look at your eternity that doesn’t depend on a number at 2 PM on Thursday.

          • I do agree that, if you are going to protest, the best model is the good-natured Anonymous one, done with entertainment value in mind.

            • chukicita

              Aw, we were picket dancing while Anonymous was in diapers.

    • Baby

      Owl.. Good question. When Rev Mama and Bury and I go to Clearwater without a group
      We just carry Critics books ( as suggested by Mama Dee)

      and attempt to get them into discussions. ” When was the last time you talked to your Mama?”
      ” Aren’t you tired? Aren’t you hungry..? You know you can leave..just walk out the door..”

      It’s hard to measure success. You never know when you have planted a seed. We haven’t done it for awhile.. because it’s too damn hot..

      But when we do the Guards are ready for us. They always attempt to confront and shatter us..but MEH they have flunked every time.

      • chukicita

        Guards have Mamas, too. Guards get tired and hungry, too. Guards could always use some compassion. 😀

        • Baby

          Yep.. We hit them up especially!

      • OOkpik

        <3

    • chukicita

      I think that at every protest, there are different audiences, and perhaps each protester has different ideas about what their audience is.

      In Clearwater, for instance, there are Sea Org, there are die-hard public, there are public on the fence, and there are wog residents, tourists, police and others. Who is your sign for? Is your goal to help people inside re-evaluate their devotion? Is it to inform the community of the organization’s abuses? Is it to get politicians to take notice?

      That’s why I like Phil and Willie’s billboards. It’s all about love. And I know that it was compassion and kindness of Andreas Heldal-Lund’s that sparked Tory Magoo into asking hard questions and ultimately choosing to leave Scientology.

      But from what I understand, everyone has a different spark.

      • Baby

        All of you guys are making sense.. Great discussion..

        • chukicita

          Baby!! Nobody’s ever told me I was making sense at this hour.

          *hugs*

          • Baby

            Hi Curly.. xoxox ha f5

          • Baby

            OMG..hahahhaahaha That guy winking was supposed to be a cup of coffee.. Jeeze..It is time for me to go to bed!

            • It’s just past 11:00 here, and I’m off to the beach with my mate and his little girl, while the weather lasts. Aren’t time zones wonderful?

            • chukicita

              I’m off to “work.”

              *grumble*

            • It was 25 degrees Celcius at the beach (that’s hot for the UK) and the ater was warm. Next time, I shall think of you while paddling 🙂

            • chukicita

              It’s closer to 32 degrees Celsius here, and has been since May.
              I can see dolphins from my window, sometimes, though. 😀

              Enjoy nature!

            • Wow! I’m not sure I’d last very long at 32 C

            • chukicita

              It’s only til November. *sigh*

            • Baby

              Oh have fun O.B

              Yes.. Time zones are wonderful..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

            • chukicita

              LOL! I thought it was a ‘hey, girl.’ Sweet dreams, sweet baby!

            • Baby

              Do you believe that.. ? Dang.. xoxox

      • OOkpik

        You cited the very examples that I had in mind, the Call Me campaign and Andreas Heldal-Lund’.
        Whomever the protest is meant to impress, shouting Xenu, for example, is meaningless to all but a relatively few Scientologists and serves no useful purpose that I can see.

        I appreciate the protesters who are out there trying to make a difference and certainly mean no offense to any of them.

        • chukicita

          I always find it interesting when exes tell what it was that sparked them. More and more, I think it’s Scientology itself that pushes its membership out.

    • That is if your goal is to change minds.
      I would be satisfied to see the end of the criminal cult known as “The Church of Scientology”.

  • ReallyMGM

    OT: I’m recovering from a radio frequency ablation in cervical disc C2-4 I had Tuesday. All of the medical guides that said it had “mild discomfort” absolutely LIED. I have never hurt so bad in my life while they did it and now afterward. I know this was in no way as serious as what Science Doc as had, but I know that is my next option according to my neurologist and spinalal specialist. (I’ve been putting it off for 5 years) After this experience, I am seriously considering it.

    • OOkpik

      🙁

      • ReallyMGM

        Lets must it this way, I missed a concert I had spent quite a bit of money on tonight. I did t even give a damn. (If it had been Robert Plant I would have been there dancing)

        • OOkpik

          Bummer!

        • daisy

          Om Mgm that is so intolerable, isn’t there something to at least take the edge off. I am sorry you are having this. Will cold applied helf? If your pain is screaming they need to offer you dosage higher or sooner if you cannot get to Emerg, call an ambulance.

    • Baby

      Oh sweetie.. I am so sorry.. Damn the Bunker is falling apart. I wish I could be there and help you. OUCH..

      Wait and see before you make your decision. Thinking of you sweet Kitteh..Try to get some rest honey.f5

    • ObsessedReader

      I’m so sorry! I hope something can be done for your pain. 🙁

  • Baby

    Night everyone..Stay safe in here.. When I confuse a Winking boy/man with a cup of coffee you know it’s time to say goodnight..xo baby

  • Warrior

    John used to pride himself on how well he could forge L. Ron Hubbard’s signature. I personally witnessed him doing so more than once. On personal knowledge, John LaVoie has been a Scientologist since at least 1975 when he was on staff at ASHO Day. As an LRH Communicator Secretary holding the post of Keeper of the Seals and Signature ‘from above’, John’s signature appears on eleven of my certificates, the first of which is my Finance Course certificate dated July 28, 1976. See http://warrior.xenu.ca/certs.html

    • chukicita

      Good to see you here, Warrior. 😀

      Your posts about how Scientology finance “works” on a.r.s. were fascinating and I appreciate the pains you took to document them with references to Hubbard’s written directives. I revisit them from time to time. 😀

  • Motz55

    Just watched Steven Mango’s video about the body slam, the Karate chop, and how the nut jobs laughed in his face. It reminded me of the many bizarre videos of Scientology morons attacking “SPs”, berating German critics visiting the US (“Nazi criminals, go back to Germany!”,) or “squirrel busters” camped outside people’s homes, and others who use perverted verbal assaults: “What are your crimes?” “How many kids did you molest today?” So, the crazies reach a state of “Clear” and maybe “OT”… their mission to save planet Earth. They lie, lie, lie, about Xenu, the mythic freak who contaminated the rest of us, and they downplay LRH’s visit to the Van Allen belt. (That must have been quite a trip!) Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Anne Archer all do a terrible disservice to young aspiring actors/actresses, like Steven Mango, who wind in the clutches of Scientologists there to prey on their vulnerabilities. Many wind up losing thousands…careers ruined. Hat’s off to you Tom.

    The attackers, who body-slammed Mango, are nothing more than course-trained goons. I witnessed similar methods of savage abuse years ago in Communist countries. Scientology’s magazine “Freedom” is a farce, articles written by propagandists. Many senior members, Marc Yager, Jenny Linson, and Dave Bloomberg, seem mentally unstable and have this sickly look when seen in public. This is what I posted to Steven Mango, whom I think, even after his experiences, still seems vulnerable: “You know how desperate and bizarre they are, especially the outside staff and security. In your film, you detailed how Scientologists cheated and lied to you. Avoid them like the plague. Get on with your life. If you feel a need to protest, don’t go alone.
    They’re trained to make you suffer. How often have they laughed in your face? They are lunatics.” I have nothing but contempt for the leadership of Scientology.