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Scientology responds to Garcia accusations; sexy Virginia congressional candidate visits an org

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Scientology has responded to the new accusations by Luis and Rocio Garcia that the church has made it impossible for the couple to abide by federal Judge James Whittemore’s order that they take their accusations of fraud to Scientology’s internal arbitration.

Scientology has never conducted an internal arbitration, and Judge Whittemore acknowledged, when he put a stay on the Garcias’ 2013 lawsuit, that there are no actual procedures in place for such an arbitration. But Whittemore agreed with the church’s argument that because arbitration was called for in the contracts the Garcias had signed, that was something he couldn’t meddle in for fear of violating Scientology’s First Amendment religious rights.

The Garcias have come back to court, however, and are trying to convince Judge Whittemore that Scientology has made it impossible for them to even attempt such an arbitration. According to the church and its “International Justice Chief,” Mike Ellis, the Garcias’ complaints will be heard by a three-person panel made up of Scientologists in good standing: One that the Garcias choose, one that the church chooses, and a third chosen by the other two arbitrators. But every time the Garcias have tried to get a list of Scientologists to choose from, or have suggested Scientologists they know for their arbitrator, Scientology has refused to turn over a complete list of names or has dismissed the Garcias’ choices as people not in good standing. The Garcias say the situation is impossible, the church is not serious about conducting an arbitration, and they want Judge Whittemore to lift the stay in the case and re-activate the lawsuit.

Now, Scientology has filed its response, and says, not surprisingly, that it’s the Garcias who are being impossible. The Orange County couple kept suggesting potential arbitrators who were known church defectors, the church says, in an effort to disrupt the proceeding. Initially, for example, the Garcias said they wanted former church member Tony DePhillips to be their arbitrator…

Tony DePhillips is a well-known disaffected former Scientologist. An Internet search reveals that he has been blogging or posting his disaffection with Scientology since at least March 2014. Moreover, Tony DePhillips was at the time of the designation, and presumably still is, a client of Mr. Babbitt, the Garcia’s counsel, who has asserted a Garcia-type claim on his behalf against the Church. Plaintiffs proposed DePhillips for no purpose other than to evoke a response that he was not in good standing with the Church.

In other words, the Garcias be trollin’, the church claims.

In its response, the church is pretty open about what an Orwellian situation the Garcias are in here. Because the Garcias have been declared suppressive (Scientology’s version of excommunication), they aren’t supposed to be approaching current church members about accepting a position as their arbitrator. And if they do, those church members know the rules and won’t respond to them. But the church refuses to turn over a master list of members to choose from, and asks the Garcias to trust Mike Ellis to communicate with current members on their behalf.

This is all described by Scientology as if it were the most normal thing in the world, of course.

Take a look at the document itself. Do you think the Garcias have a shot to convince Judge Whittemore to take over this lawsuit again? Or will he just instruct the Garcias to choose from the limited list of people Mike Ellis is offering them?

 

Garcia v. Scientology: Response to Motion to Lift Stay

 
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MikeWebbVirginia congressional candidate visits an org

Virginia conservative congressional candidate Mike Webb suddenly became Internet famous on Monday, and probably not in the way you want to become famous if you’re running for Congress.

In an otherwise forgettable Facebook post, Webb posted a screenshot of his computer, and it showed that he had a couple of tabs open to what were apparently some porn pages. Over the last 48 hours, he’s been putting out some pretty interesting statements about how he reconciles that with his conservative principles. We certainly do give him credit for telling the Daily News, “I don’t think we did anything wrong. Even if I was on a porn site, being a Christian doesn’t mean that you’re perfect.” Well, he has a point there.

But it’s his next move that really caught our attention, thanks to one of our eagle-eyed tipsters. On Monday, Webb posted to his Facebook page a message saying that he’d gone to the Washington DC Scientology org in order to take a personality test.

Oh brother.

 
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Webb is thrilled that the Scientologists who tested him found him to be mentally abnormal (Webb is apparently unaware that the test always finds that you need Scientology counseling). But then this guy is obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Here’s the full text of his message. We gave up trying to understand what he’s getting at. We’d rather hear your reflections on it…

A CHURCH WITHOUT PEWS AND HYMNS

Being a candidate is like becoming a tourist in your own community, and it takes you, if you are willing and a bit daring, outside your zone of comfort, but most politicians prefer to be comfortable, never straying far from that which is familiar. But, a nice sign posted on a sidewalk caught my eye as I was thinking about a Mission Impossible, and I thought, hey, “I’m a Cruiser, too.”

Located right next door to the place where my good alumni friend Meredith Atwell Baker directs the WTIA, wireless association, this restored historical building is home to the Church of Scientology, and I had no idea what to expect when I walked inside to find a receptionist and a gift shop at the door. A nice video on the steps to Happiness awaits anyone with time to review 24 chapters on a road to a better life, and, from the preview that I saw, I did not find much of the advice departing the views of my faith experience, even if those principles were not derived from a theistic origin, but rather a scientific one. So, with eyes wide shut, for a moment, I was one in the spirit with Jerry Maguire.

But, interestingly, the folks inside agreed, to some extent with that assessment, even if I will never be People’s Most Sexiest Man Alive. As one might expect from a candidate or personality in public life, the personality test showed that I was not in the “normal zone” on any measured factor, but but to the farthest extremes. The tester, who had examined ambassadors and corporate executives was fascinated because he had never met anyone who had nothing in “the normal range,” and most of it, to the regret of Robert Kenyon, was not as he had hoped, “not in a good way.” But, for anyone who has ever known me, the results were not really that surprising.

Almost bounding off the scale, the top three qualities of my personality were, in order, Certainty, Activity, and Aggressiveness, the qualities of command,but with Appreciative coming in fourth,which was a surprise to me. Must have been that music appreciation course. Still above “normal limits,”were found Stable, Happy and Composed, rising in score in that order, which was a surprise to me because i would have thought that Happy would have been higher. But, the one concern, again, way off the charts, was the exact thing that i have stated in many candidate forums and to which every woman who I have ever dated will attest: “I have issues.” I have things that I believe, and like George “the determined” Will stated to us last week at AEI, I very certain that my views on these issues are right, which has even been demonstrated in seven hour wave attacks determined “to continue the beatings until morale improves.” So, even though, for just $50, I can take a “get well” course, that bad quality seems to be doing good for me.

I am Mike Webb, and I am running for U.S. Congress. Honest.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 18, 2016 at 07:00

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  • flyonthewall
    • Mockingbird

      Mr Bungle gets so little love.

      • flyonthewall

        but what love they do get is intense

        • Mockingbird

          That’s what I have found.

  • Mockingbird

    Mike Webb is getting roasted mercilessly on Facebook and once his Scientology story spreads it will only get worse. Bye bye politics. Maybe he can be a PI in a van with a silencer and an arsenal. I hear it pays well.

    • Roger Hornaday

      Perhaps a male escort if he wants to stay within the general line of work.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Except he needs to make money…

      • Mockingbird

        Hmm. Interesting idea.

  • Sherbet

    Webb refers to TWTH deriving its principles “from a scientific” origin. The man is either a maroon, or has not encountered any type of media about scientology at all, ever, in his entire life.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    You know, I have always found it frustrating to follow litigation involving Scientology. At some point, you just want to see some judge take control of the damn process and shut down the constant bullshit and dilatory tactics. It seems to me that if we ever got the right judge to put a case in front of — one who is not just well-informed but also has a very strong legal opinion about this cult’s consistent exploitation of the legal system to provide cover for their bad acts — that is when we will see the kind of decision that I have always hoped to see come down. An injunciton or punitive damages award that would throw a wrench into the money machine. I think the narCONon angle is the best bet right now, but that is still a slow-drip. So frustrating. However, that just drives me to do more “disseminating of information” about how and why scientology is an evil cult. Watchers, keep watching, and keep adding your voices to the public discussion about this case and all the others. That kind of engagement with the subject has helped to bring about a big shift in the public perception of the cult over the last 8 – 10 years.

    On another note, I just want to let y’all know that my dad passed away on Sunday. He suffered a lot at the end, but fortunately that part did not last long, and now he is not suffering anymore. I am sad he is gone, but I am relieved the ordeal is over. The last two years have been very hard for my whole family, especially my mom. Now I can take some time to grieve, and get back to the things I had put on hold for that time. Making art, writing weird articles for my blog that are more about scientology than they appear to be, and of course commenting here. I look forward to spending more time with you guys over the summer!

    Peace, and love from CV.

    • Sherbet

      I’m so sorry for your loss.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Sincerest condolences from the Douglas family.

    • That’s a huge transition.

      Love in. Grief out.

      XO Artoo

    • Qbird

      oh man, hugging you tight CV. hard news this. Thank you for this update.
      breathing it all in ~

    • HTC

      Peace and love to you as well. (((hugs)))

    • Kim O’Brien

      peace …..

    • Observer

      I’m so sorry for your loss

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *hugs*

    • I am so sorry for your loss.

    • OOkpik

      I’m so sorry your Dad was taken from you. I hope you and your family can find peace and comfort in the good times you shared. (((hugs)))

    • Jimmy3

      Peace~

    • Juicer77

      Sending lots of love.

    • Illinoisian

      I am sorry for your loss. Hoping you find comfort.

    • TexasBroad

      It will be nice to see you here more often again. I’m sorry for your loss. Grief sucks.

    • Tony Ortega

      Sorry to hear about your dad, CV. We missed you around here.

      As for this: “if we ever got the right judge to put a case in front of…”

      We did. His name was Dib Waldrip.

      • thetastic

        So much word. I miss judge waldrip.

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thanks, Tony.

        As for Judge Waldrip, that case is over now, isn’t it? There have been other judges in the past who put the boots to the cult and their bullshit, but I’m thinking of the future, and cases to come. You know there will be more to come, as long as the cult is up and running. A judge bold enough to make a statement, maybe even one of those activist judges I hear tell of, that’s what I’m hoping for. πŸ™‚

    • gtsix

      May he, and your family, find the peace you deserve. (((((hugs))))

    • JanInThePan

      Sorry to hear CV.

    • flyonthewall

      I’m sorry CV. Glad he isn’t suffering anymore

    • Kay

      That is a really hard thing to go through. I am glad that he isn’t suffering anymore, but it’s never easy to lose a parent, no matter what age you are.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Condolences, CV.

    • MarcabExpat

      Peace, and love right back at you, CV. Sorry your family is going through this, and you know we’re around if you just wanna hang.

    • thetastic

      I’m sorry for your loss, CV. Glad his pain is over.

    • daisy

      I am sorry for loss. I am glad you are taking time to be good to yourself.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Big Bunker hugs, CV.

    • richelieu jr

      Oh shit, CV!

      I am so sorry for your loss (yet grateful you were generous enough to phrase it in terms of our gain with more of you around here this summer.

      I am sorry to hear of his suffering, but glad it was brief. We should all be so lucky.

      I hope your mom is holding up OK, and that you will take the time you need to grieve. I know that strange , heady mix of grief and relief that can be so hard to figure out.

      Hang in there, all of you.

    • Baby

      I am so sorry for your dad’s passing, but comforted knowing he is no longer suffering. Sending positive energy your way CV… love baby

    • Condolences. And hugs.

    • MrsLurksALot

      ((Hugs))

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Wow! thank you all for so many kind thoughts and words. I feel the love… πŸ™‚

  • OOkpik

    Philboard update.
    https://www.gofundme.com/reconnectingfamily

    Update: This GOAL REACHED

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “A Church Without Pews Or Hymns” says Mike Webb

    A Church Without Hers Or Hims
    A Church Without Toilet Paper
    A Church Without Morals or Ethics
    A Church Without Rhyme or Reason
    A Church Without Charity or Love
    A Church Without Parishioners

    A “Church”?
    Today we will read The Parable of the Prodigal Scum

    The $cientologist sold his Impressionist painting to donate to the IAS.
    A fool and his Monet are soon parted.

  • Nat-leficent

    I was gonna make fun of Mike Webb, but I made fun of Trump early on and look what happened there!

  • cdub

    Mike Webb is doing what we all should have done. Good for him. Something unusual in the neighborhood? Hmm. Walk in, check it out, talk, participate, leave without buying anything. Write it up and post it to social media and see what happens. In olden times we didn’t have Facebook but we always had social networks. Care to guess what kind of response Mr. Webb has received about his visit to the science fiction religion? I’m sure it ain’t pretty.

  • Mike Webb’s facebook page is hilariously inept. Nobody is steering that boat and the passengers are trashing the place.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Mike Webb already knows this of course:
    THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNARJPNz2CA

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Sarah Bird’s β€˜Love Letter to Texas Women’ is a hoot”

    But the lure was not, as she feared, β€œa heavily highlighted Farah Fawcettesque temptress.” No, her competition was L. Ron Hubbard. And because she wanted the fraught relationship to work, Bird submitted to an introductory Scientology course.

    After researching Lord Xenu and some of Scientology’s far-out intergalactic beliefs, Bird, as is her custom, told Cuddle Cakes just what she thought: His new club was β€œa sci-fi pyramid scheme.”

    http://www.mystatesman.com/news/entertainment/books-literature/sarah-birds-love-letter-to-texas-women-is-a-hoot/nrF98/

  • May_West

    So it is against policy for a scientologist in good standing to speak with someone who is declared. Has the church submitted a copy of this policy to the court?
    Anyone know which exact policy this is? How it’s worded? All I have ever seen is the handle or disconnect one.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    “We stand Tall” is my favorite hymn.

  • Jgg2012

    Re Webb: I wonder what the personality test would say if Trump took it.

  • Tony Ortega

    Uh oh. Texas Lawyer magazine referred to Monique Rathbun’s actions as “bizarre.” Has Alanzo heard about this? How about the Oracle? Does this mean that Texas Lawyer will rue the day?

    (And please note, that’s “Texas Lawyer,” not “TX Lawyer”.)

    http://www.texaslawyer.com/id=1202757980545/Bizarre-Scientology-Case-Comes-to-Bizarre-Conclusion?slreturn=20160418162337

    • Observer

      The vast merchant of chaos conspiracy is now in full swing!

    • littlefish

      I can throw out my sunscreen with all the SHAAAAAADE.

    • Jimmy3

      *erases the chalkboard*
      *writes in ZERO DAYS*

    • TX Lawyer

      That’s “TX Lawyer,” actually. πŸ™‚

    • Libertylover

      Any chance someone can post the text of the article? It’s behind a paywall or I have to sign up to read, something like that but I can’t see it on my connection. πŸ™

      • Dice βœ“

        Bizarre Scientology Case Comes to Bizarre Conclusion

        In a move that stunned her lawyers, a Texas woman has dropped her lawsuit alleging that the Church of Scientology engaged in a relentless and bizarre harassment campaign against herβ€”including sending her a sex toy at work.

        After winning significant victories against the church at trial and on appeal, the Texas Supreme Court recently granted an unopposed motion that allows Monique Rathbun to drop the civil law she filed in a Comal County district court.

        Last year, Rathbun won an unusual ruling from Austin’s Third Court of Appeals, which concluded the church didn’t have a constitutional right to stalk her, send her a sex toy at work and publish allegations that she had a secret sex-change operation. [See “Court Rules Against Church of Scientology in Bizarre Case,” Texas Lawyer, Nov. 17, 2015.]

        Rathbun, who wasn’t a member of the church but is married to a former member, filed the civil suit against the church alleging invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The church tried unsuccessfully to dismiss Rathbun’s claims under the Texas Citizens Participation Act (TCPA), also known as the Texas anti-SLAPP statute.

        The TCPA allows the trial court to dismiss tort suits filed against defendants who speak out on matters of public concern, and in some cases, allows them to recover their attorney fees. The church argued that Rathbun’s lawsuit was related to their rights of free speech, association and right to petition found in the First Amendment, and appealed the Third Court’s ruling in Church of Scientology v. Rathbun to the high court earlier this year.

        But before the high court could decide whether to hear the case, Rathbun fired her lawyers. She concluded her lawsuit was no longer worth it financially and that her attorneys had plead defects in her complaint over her objections, according to a pro se motion she filed in the Supreme Court in April.

        “I do not have the resources, the time, nor the motivation to litigate in the Supreme Court of Texas against Scientology’s army of lawyers in the defense of errors made by attorneys who subordinated my wishes in favor of interests inimical to my own,” Rathbun wrote in her motion.

        The move came as a surprise to Elliott Cappuccio, a partner in San Antonio’s Pulman, Cappuccio, Pullen, Benson & Jones, whose firm had represented Rathbun at trial and on appeal.

        Cappuccio said his firm received a letter from Rathbun in January in which she stated she was terminating the representation without cause.

        “She said specifically in her letter that she was terminating us without cause. We were surprised to hear anything critical in her motion and in fact we had succeeded at every level, both at the trial court and the court of appeals,” Cappuccio said. “We were confident that the Supreme Court was going to uphold the Austin Third of Court of Appeals’ decision. And we were on our way to having her day in court in the Comal County trial court.”

        “We were engaged on a contingency fee basis and we invested a lot of blood, sweat, tears and time into this case. We were disappointed,” Cappuccio said.

        “I wish her the best. I’m just not sure why she did what she did.”

        Rathbun, whose contact information was blacked out on her pro se motion, could not be reached for comment.

        Doug Alexander, a partner in Austin’s Alexander, Dubose, Jefferson & Townsend who represents the church at the Supreme Court, did not return a call for comment.

        Read more: http://www.texaslawyer.com/id=1202757980545/Bizarre-Scientology-Case-Comes-to-Bizarre-Conclusion#ixzz492syKDxv

        • Observer

          Must…keep…mouth shut…KHAAAAAAAAAN!

          • Dice βœ“

            It is BIZARRE!!!!!

        • Dice βœ“

          Related story: (deep link)

          Court Rules Against Church of Scientology in Bizarre Case

          Sometimes bizarre facts make for even stranger law.

          And that’s certainly the case for a recent Texas appellate court ruling that the Church of Scientology doesn’t have a constitutional right to harass a woman by stalking her, sending her a sex toy at work and publishing allegations that she’d had a secret sex-change operation.

          The background to the case, Church of Scientology International v. Rathbun, is as follows. Monique Rathbun is married to Marty Rathbun, a former member and official in the Church of Scientology. Rathbun alleges that the church relentlessly harassed her and her husband for three years, forcing them to move to a wooded lot outside of San Antonio. And after the Rathbuns moved, in 2013 she found a high-tech surveillance camera mounted to a tree aimed at their new property.

          Rathburn filed a lawsuit against the church in a Comal County district court, alleging invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

          Rathbun, who has never been a member of the church, alleged, among other things, that Scientology operatives followed her as she drove to and from work; told her parents that her life was at risk as long as she was married to Marty Rathbun; sent a sex toy to her at her workplace; and published allegations on Scientology websites, including that she was a “sexual pervert” and a “man who has had a secret sex-change operation.”

          In response to her petition, the church filed a motion to dismiss Rathbun’s claims under the Texas Citizens Participation Act [TCPA], also known as the Texas anti-SLAPP statute. The TCPA allows the trial court to dismiss tort suits filed against defendants who speak out on matters of public concern and in some cases allows them to recover their attorney fees.

          The church argued that Rathbun’s lawsuit was related to their rights of free speech, association and right to petition found in the First Amendment. Specifically they allege that Marty Rathbun engaged in the independent practice of Scientology outside of the church, which is forbidden. They also allege that the filming of the couple by the church’s so-called Squirrel Busters, to document abuses of church doctrine, fell within the TCPA’s definition of the exercise of free speech, right to petition or right of association.

          After an extensive hearing, the trial court denied the church’s motion to dismiss Rathbun’s lawsuit and awarded her attorney fees. The church appealed the decision to Austin’s Third Court of Appeals.

          And in a Nov. 6 decision, the Third Court upheld the trial court’s decision, dismissing the church’s TCPA motion. The court found that the church failed to demonstrate how Rathbun’s lawsuit implicates their First Amendment rights.

          “Other than argue that the ‘protest and film production’ endeavors of the ‘Squirrel Busters’ are protected rights of free speech and thus within the scope of the TCPA, the Scientology defendants do not directly address the specific conduct Rathbun complains of, which includes following her while she went to and from work, shopping, out to dinner with friends, and walking her dog,” wrote Justice Scott Field.

          “Moreover, other than deny having done so, the Scientology defendants do not address Rathbun’s allegations that they sent a sex toy to her at work and sent flowers with a ‘romantic’ message from her to a female co-worker.”

          The court also found that the record did not support the church’s contention that Rathbun was a public figure who actively participated in a public controversy.

          “The mere fact that she is married to Marty Rathbun and shares a residence with him does not automatically place her in the category of people who have been found to be public figures by virtue of their relationship to famous people,” Field wrote.

          However, the court reversed the trial court’s order awarding Rathbun attorney fees, rejecting her contention that the church’s TCPA motion was filed for the sole purpose of delaying the litigation of her tort case.

          Leslie Hyman, a partner in San Antonio’s Pulman, Cappuccio, Pullen, Benson & Jones who represents Rathbun on appeal, is pleased with the decision. She notes that the Third Court took nearly a year to decide the case and did a thorough job of examining the church’s TCPA motion.

          “One of the things I was concerned about was the argument [the church was] making that as long as you filmed yourself doing stuff, that made what you were doing protected by the First Amendment. That would suggest that if I had somebody with a camera phone filming me, I could smash your car,” Hyman said.

          “It comes back to what we were complaining about. We were not complaining about protected speech or protected assembly or protected petitioning,” Hyman said. “We were complaining about her being followed to and from work, followed to restaurants and while shopping, and followed while walking the dog.”

          Tom Leatherbury, a partner in Vinson & Elkins who represents the church on appeal, did not return a call for comment.

          Elliott Cappuccio, who represents Rathbun before the trial court, said that her case is the third one that his firm has handled against the church.

          “When you talk about bizarre, you have no idea,” Cappuccio said.

          “They had suffered 300 days of the church renting homes next to theirs,” Cappuccio said of the Rathbuns. “They would watch and see when her husband left town and bother her. Imagine they do that so long that you have to move. And then you move to another property, and there are surveillance cameras pointing your way. Imagine thinking you’re never going to get away from these people.

          “My client wants her day before a jury,” Cappuccio said. “And we want a Texas jury to tell the church that this type of behavior is not going to be tolerated.”

          Read more: http://www.texaslawyer.com/id=1202742697960/Court-Rules-Against-Church-of-Scientology-in-Bizarre-Case#ixzz492xnYP56

    • Lawyers. Worse than Psychs. They’re clearly in the pocket of Big Bunkerβ„’.

    • OOkpik

      Thanks for sorting out the names.

    • ze moo

      Texas Lawyer also has nice article on “Why Mediations Fail”
      http://www.texaslawyer.com/home/native-ad?mvi=81e9957912774411b536291e597691aa#!/

      “Bad Faith
      No matter how successful mediation is, no matter how positive an option
      it might be, there will always be those who attend mediation in bad
      faith, refusing to cooperate and with no intention to settle. It’s
      almost impossible to overcome bad faith in settlement negotiations.”

    • HTC

      I can’t bear it if another soul has to rue the day! Next to come will be locust and biblical flooding…

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Just don’t rue while you’re cooking a roux. If you burn it, it’s useless. πŸ™‚

      • Dice βœ“

        it’s going to rain Frogs F5

        • Eivol Ekdal

          ruebit

          • Kestrel

            Ouch!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I guess that makes it official legal.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Clearly, every lawyer who thinks it is odd for a client to attack his/her lawyers for winning must be fairgaming Marty Rathbun.

    • Robert Eckert
  • Observer

    Someone posted this on Mike Webb’s FB and I can’t stop laughing

    F5

  • exccla

    the garcias should find a disaffected sn. for their arbitration. they or you can get a name from me privately. good luck to them.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That is exactly what Scientology expects the Garcia’s to do. To name someone the Garcia’s KNOW is an “under the radar” disaffected but “In Good Standing” Scientologist as their chosen arbitrator, and another one jointly with Scientology’s choice. (Who would agree unsuspectingly.)

      While the rules of the arbitration would seem to be equitable, Scientology is not about equity. They MUST have all the cards rigged for Scientology to get exactly what they want. They won’t play the game if they don’t have the assurance either on its face or by underhanded means, that Scientology controls the outcome.

      So the problem of the “under the radar” Scientologists is immense. OSA has to assume that ANY Scientologist the Garcia’s pick is not going to be favorable to Scientology’s agenda. So they cannot agree to any that Garcia’s want.

      The Garcia’s could pick any random person they know to be a Scientologist, and if it wasn’t on OSA’s “pre vetted and approved list”, OSA would immediately assume that the Garcia’s know something they don’t. And thus create more injustice by calling in those persons and sec checking and ultimately declaring them SP and not in good standing, simply and only because the Garcia’s picked their name out of a hat.

      That not only makes Scientology and OSA look like dicks, but it will alienate any such Scientologist and drive them out of Scientology even if they were not disaffected or “under the radar.”

      Scientology has descended to the level of paranoia where they simply do not trust anyone. Not even their own members who have been loyal for years and years.

      Edited to remove IJC and add “Scientology’s choice” of an arbiter.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    This song is about porn, so it’s NOT off topic today:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiyTY9kgpiQ

  • Dice βœ“

    Nobody comented for a whole hour? That’s odd! — DISQUS πŸ™

    • jazzlover

      We are all suspended in stunned disbelief πŸ˜‰

      • Dice βœ“

        It is BIZARRE!!!

        • jazzlover

          It is, and it doesn’t seem to end, does it? We’re all stuck in one ongoing scientology rubbernecking incident — we couldn’t look away if we tried.

          • Dice βœ“

            We just got ZAPPED in an Electronic incident during a glitch in the Matrix. Better Call Xenu!

    • Jimmy3

      Sorry, I had other tabs open

  • Jimmy3

    Marty Rathbun has never been accused of removing the “DO NOT REMOVE” tag from his mattresses. That would be a crime. But he don’t do it.

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy3

      Neither

      • Jimmy3

        Both

    • Observer

      Someone’s trolling

  • Libertylover

    The following picture shows everything can always change no matter how impossible it may sound. HRC smile looks genuine and now they are going to rip each other to shreds over the next six months. Too bizarre you can’t make this stuff up!
    The older I get the more cynical I get. There are plenty of differences in what they say but in reality both parties actually do and pass the same bills IMO.
    I think Trump is a fool, but I do like that he has shook up the establishment and put them in a panic, but don’t worry he will never be president. Trump’s made this one of the most facinating elections ever. It will be remembered for decades. Expect some more Trump like candidates to appear in the future.
    I broke my own rule of no politics in the bunker (I’m sorry) and it’s one of the reasons I like it here, but this isn’t politics, it’s a circus .
    I’ll just go away and make me some popcorn.

    In the US, there is basically one party – the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population. Noam Chomsky

    • beauty for ashes

      Noam Chomsky sounds like onomotopia. Like when you take when you take a bite out of a really good sammich?

    • April

      No. They are not the same. Only one of those political parties is obsessed with what women do with their lady bits. Only one of those political parties thinks that the internet should function like cable tv programming packages. I could go on, but you get the idea.

      • coonellie

        Well, one of those political parties had a smart lawyer. Gotta hand it to President Clinton – he didn’t talk about what women do with their bits, he did it to them from a position of ultimate power, then lied about it, and then, for his final coup de grace, he saw that their reputations and careers were ruined.
        I think both stink. Trump is just more in-your-face and makes people mad on purpose. I, for one, hope gets trounced.

    • ze moo

      If the voter turn out is low, Trump could be elected. Even if Hillary were elected all the ‘conservative republicans’ in congress will just keep obstructing Hillary. We need a huge turn over of most of our professional legislators.

  • OOkpik

    Scientology non-existent “arbitration” process sounds entirely fair, just and oh so ecclesiastical.

    The Garcias get to choose their executioner from a short lineup of Miscavoge’s pre-selected sycophants.
    Miscavige picks one among his most rabid adherent as his selectee.
    Miscavige, by nefarious means, controls who will be appointed as a mutual selectee.

    What could possibly go wrong?!
    etc

    • As far as I can see, absolutely nothing.
      But then,my eyesight is not what it used to be.

      As Madness said, “I’m as honest as the day is long. The longer the daylight, the less I do wrong.”
      Oh gee, you made me go there:
      (at ?;?? the coppers start beating themselves)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul_Kotlqi3k

  • MarieSue

    Tony–do you have a headline prepared for when scn is no more? I keep stopping by the bunker hoping to see that scn has totally imploded and wonder what the headline will read.

    • Jimmy3

      FROM INSIDE INT BASE: NO ONE HAS SEEN COB RTC DAVID MISCAVIGE IN WEEKS

      That or something similar is how the first reports will be. But Scientology will not just die overnight, with some miraculous headline. It will be years of trickling out what exactly happened in its final days. And I don’t expect it soon.

      • YellowSubmarine

        Tony has been reporting from a bunker inside Int Base al these years? πŸ˜‰

      • No. You’re wrong and I’m right.
        It will not be televised, but it will stream live.
        And it may happen any moment now. So don’t go out in the glorious weather, stay glued to your keyboard.
        It will be all I ever hoped for.
        David Miscavige will be perp walked on the evening news (right now I’m favoring Scott Pelley, and that’s not racist). And he won’t have had time to do his hair, or zip up his pants. He will look like the raccoon I cornered in my attic. Only mangier.
        I say no later than this Friday.
        Even though I’m flat broke, I’d put a sawbuck on it. Payable to the bunker.
        Oh wait, I just googled “sawbuck”, how about a fin, a half a sawbuck, a fiver, a nickel, you know, five american dollars?
        (Off to google that. Tony might get richer off my lack of slang-tech)

    • Observer

      I expect Scientology’s death throes will be much like Pee-Wee Herman’s in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlEaZ7mSy-g

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Paul Rubens.

        Peewee Herman is a character played by actor Paul Rubens. Rubens also played a vampire in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The character Peewee Herman does not appear in the film.

        Sorry for the mini-rant. Just a pet peeve of mine.

        • Observer

          Yes, I know. But for people who are not terribly familiar with Paul Rubens, Pee-Wee Herman is the best identifier for the actor.

        • jazzlover

          And to connect to today’s post, Paul was caught n the throes in a porn theater, and arrested for his indiscretions.

        • Gilbert Gottfried earned my eternal respect when, in defense of Paul, said, “If masturbation is a crime, I should be on death row.”

      • flyonthewall

        i didn’t know that show had a movie. I was never into it but it seems like it would be fun. That scene was really funny btw

        • stanrogers

          The movie was first, by several years. And it was quite campy compared to the series.

          • flyonthewall

            really? Cool. Learn something new everyday

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              And the movie… not as good as the TV show. Because… Joss Whedon.

            • flyonthewall

              well sure, nothing is as good as it could be w/o Joss Whedon

            • gtsix

              Whedon wrote the screenplay for the movie. Granted, he has often trashed the movie, but he was involved πŸ™‚

              The show was excellent, the movie.. wasn’t horrible. The death scene is the funniest bit in the whole thing.

      • beauty for ashes

        YAAAAS!

    • outraged

      Like other weeds, Scientology will probably keep sprouting up no matter how many times you pull out the roots.

    • Flying High

      Tax Exemption removal headline will come first and it’is a comin’ soon!

    • A “post-mortem” would be easy.
      But, I have repeatedly suggested to Mark Bunker that he needs to focus on, and frame the discourse on why and how this was allowed to happen. Since I still hold out great hope for the demise of the cult before he completes his film.
      A kind of “Why England Slept”.
      Of course I predicted that the cult would collapse within 9 months seven years ago, so what the fuck do I know.

    • beauty for ashes

      “David is Down”
      “Sci is Fried”
      “IRS takes away Scientology’s Exemption, Then Drops the Mic.”

      • ReallyMGM

        XENU IS DEAD

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “Ortega To Retire To Private Island; Bunkerites Left to Finish Off Booze and Distribute Cat Memes”

      • Ella Raitch

        Please contribute to a gofundme in support of homeless memes

    • Kestrel

      “All in the Prison of Belief have been Freed”

  • beauty for ashes

    Just met with a new counselor, and I feel like Whap! Boom ! BAM!!!!! Also ZWOOOO! and Huuh?!!!..**.wow**
    Psychs are the best!
    All my introverts are now extraverts, and the sun is shining!
    **paid for by Big Pharma~ makers of Vistaril**
    No really, those of you still in, you really can when you get a good therapist have many of the wins you get in auditing, and they are sustainable and you can build on them. Also at any time you can switch counselors for someone with a different approach, and you can change your mind. Just wanted to mention that just incase anyone in reading.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Also, most therapists are NOT going to immediately start trying to cram “psych drugs” down your throat. Despite the nonsense that CoS spews, that’s not how the real world works. Therapists also won’t show people the notes from your sessions if you decide to leave for another therapist, or no therapy at all.

      That’s the difference between talking to a licensed professional and talking to an auditor or ethics officer, both of whom will be recording every word you say in case you get out of line in the future.

      • beauty for ashes

        Yeah, and my Mom who was in the waiting room was not immediately dragged off to ethics with officers screaming, “I know what you did!” Then sec checked for thousands of dollars. Nope.
        Hippa laws prevent even the slitest squeak out of a therapists mouth. I have noticed a little side eye to my Mom sometimes πŸ™‚
        So I was free to vent frustrations without any repurcussions.

        • daisy

          I am glad you and mom are working It out.

          • beauty for ashes

            Wait, did I say that!? No I do love my Moms, we just have fundamentally different operating systems.

  • Jeb Burton

    If Scientology had a sense of humor, they would send Garcia a 20 foot cross to his house and say there you go. Your hundred of thousands is right there sucker. Sorry your such a mark.

    • flyonthewall

      trick ass mark
      mark ass trick
      etc etc etc

    • flyonthewall

      ….

    • Not bad, but if they had and sense (of humor or just sense), this wouldn’t be at this point.
      Really, really stupid.
      But quite predictable for a high-school drop-out.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The Garcias and the church agreed to pick one arbitrator each, but then the church told the Garcias they could only pick an arbitrator that has been pre-selected by the church. This is anything but fair, and I am amazed that the church lawyers cannot see how absurd their arguments are. Nonetheless, Judge Whittemore will probably tell the Garcias they have no choice but to accept the church’s rules since he does not want to entangle the court in the First Amendment.

    • ze moo

      There is a fair body of decisions on what is and is not a proper arbitration. If the chirch oversteps its bounds, it can be held responsible. Any decision that calls clam arbitration unconscionable will echo for a long time. Not that $cientology cares about that. The delay and cost of lawsuits is the way they control dissent. They have to be seen as the craziest clam in the ocean. In the long run that reputation keeps internal dissent down and discourages external threats.

  • nottrue
    • So, how to get traction on Donald Trump’s obvious disqualifications?
      Or, do “we?”, just concentrate on getting “good” people to do something?
      I think, a bit of both, due to the fact that the media has, and is for now, giving him literally billions of dollars in free advertising.
      Like with Scientology, folks, its going to take a bit of proving that “we” can out “wit” “them”.
      Or else relegate yourselves to be ruled by morons.

  • 77 Peter st is empty! The Toronto temporary org is missing! (Pictures later)

    • flyonthewall

      >insert alien meme here<

    • ze moo

      Great, now the Asian nail salon and ‘beauty parlor next door can expand!! Artificial nails for everyone!!

      • That’s gone too. The nightclub has opened again.

    • Okay, the sign on the dead org building says the “temporary” location is now 2 College St. I don’t have time to check it out today.

      • Kestrel

        Technically, that’s temporary.

        • Temporary as in until it moves again, not temporary until they rebuild the dead org from the frame and move back.

    • Ella Raitch

      Cue tumbleweeds

    • Niiiice!

  • order66

    To Mike Webb and my other fellow Republicans: Please stop being so stupid in election years. Are you trying to get Hilary elected? Because you’re doing a bang-up job.

    • flyonthewall

      you’re a Republican? I have to ask, what do you think about Trump?

      • Kestrel

        The less the better?

      • coonellie

        As I wrote weeks ago (and, yes, fly, I know you weren’t asking me ;), Trump is to politics as Scientology is to religion.
        p.s. Happy belated B-day!

        • flyonthewall

          Wish me happy b-day, you get a gif! I’m excited to hear from an actual republican what they think of Trump. So excited!

          • coonellie

            Well, I might have to burst your bubble a tad…you see I’m not a full-fledged Republican. I’m not a Democrat, either (I dislike Hillary Clinton just slightly less than Trump). I lean more towards conservative viewpoints, except when it comes to the poor, the disadvantaged, the disenfranchised, and the disabled.

            More than you ever wanted to know, eh?!

            • flyonthewall

          • Rasha

            I wished you a Very Birthday yesterday, and, well, shucks. I… I thought….. well… just…. oh! Oh, just nevermind!! (runs to room and slams door)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s OK. I didn’t get one either.

            • flyonthewall

              Aww I’m sorry. I’m sure I just didn’t start the gif thing yet when you said happy b-day. I only started that like half way through the day. Here you go, I was saving this gif for a special occasion but you can have it.

            • Rasha

              I cannot stop laughing! This is the Best Fly’s Birthday EVAR!

      • order66

        I utterly, absolutely hate that piece of shit. Feeding on the worst fears and hatreds of the worst parts of the party base, complete ignorance of even the most basic conservative principles and ideals, praising the real-life Bond villain who rules Russia, the fact that he was a Democrat until ten minutes ago, threatening violence if he doesn’t get the nomination, ominous threats of restricting freedom of the press if he’s elected, the son of a bitch has no redeeming qualities, and I need to stop because I’m getting agitated.

        • flyonthewall

          hee-hee! ok cool. I just hope he gets his ass handed to him big time. Fuck a few pegs, he needs to be kicked all the way down into the dirt

          • order66

            And he seems to be friends with Vince McMahon. He will get his ass handed to him in the general election. The Republican Party won’t recover from that damage for a generation, leaving the Democrats unchallenged for a long time, which means one party rule. That benefits nobody.

            • flyonthewall

              Yeah. Remember Obama’s first term? Democrats had everything and still couldn’t get anything done. They got Obamacare but just barely. I wouldn’t be too worried about them actually being effective and doing things.

            • order66

              Dammit, why’d you have to get me worked up? Do you know how much Star Wars I’m going to have to watch to get settled down? Actually, that’s not a bad idea. And happy belated birthday. I’ve been busy this week.

            • flyonthewall

              ….

        • Kestrel

          I couldn’t agree more.

        • Oh my. A Republican.
          Some day we’ll just read about them in books.

          • coonellie

            Oh my. The USA.
            Some day we’ll just read about it in books.

        • He doesn’t have policies, he has talking points.

  • ze moo

    As in everything the clampire does, the opportunity for a locomotion directed explosion with shrapnel is ever present.

    The current stalemate over selecting a $cieno in ‘good standing’ perfectly illustrates that a clam in ‘good standing’ can’t talk to the Garcias. How can they find ‘their’ arbitrator if they can’t even talk to them? $cientology holds all the cards in this matter. And the cards are marked.

    Even if this hurdle is cleared, the actual set up of the arbitration is another hurdle that even a Supreme Court Judge would have trouble setting up. What instructions will be given to the ‘arbitrators’? Who will write them up? Will the Garcias have any say in its composition? Will they even get to see those ‘orders’?

    During the actual ‘arbitration’, all procedures and testimony becomes fodder for an additional motion to Judge Whittemore . This ability to waste time and suck up legal resources is almost unlimited, Whittemore may be having nightmares about this situation right now. He will try to put the kibosh on such behavior in the next decision he renders. Good luck with that Judge, Wasting time and sucking up resources is the modus operandi of the clampire. I hope the Garcias pockets are deep, they are going to need a lot of money if the other side gets to collect their legal fees.

    Why doesn’t Miscavage just make a quiet refund offer? Because the little man with the little hands doesn’t want all the other ‘contributors’ to SP and all the other scams, I mean ‘projects’ the clampire has run in the last 15 years to get ideas.

    Plus, no one is kissing his ass. That ass really craves a good kissing, it is the second best thing in his life. The first is of course, a large bank balance.

  • nottrue

    Clearwater is going to love it. ..All the sea org gals screaming ” Tom is coming Tom is coming “..http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,21007293,00.html

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      David Miscavige wants a vacation and hopes Tom will get married again soon so that he can join them on their honeymoon.

      • Observer

        Refresh

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          I know for a fact that isn’t a shoop and that it is exactly how it happened. They all went to the Maldives if I remember correctly.

          • flyonthewall

            and Miscavige ran into Sasha Baron Cohen and asked to borrow his swimsuit?

            • Sid (Phil Jones)

              Other way around fly. Sasha borrows Miscavige swimsuits as far as I know. David has a collection of about 300 of them. All the same design but just different colors. I think the paisley ones are his favorite but he does like the pastels.

            • flyonthewall

              mind.blown.

            • Observer

              No, he sucker-punched him and stole it.

            • flyonthewall

              for realz?? Poor Katie she’s all crying. There there Katie shoop, you’ll have your revenge.

          • Observer

            Yep

        • HTC

          Oh Obs you are a cheecky little monkey

          • Observer

            This is old, one of the earlier ones I did here.

            • Susan black

              Thanks for bringing it back…sublime!

    • HTC

      NOOOO! He will rue the day if he comes to my state.

  • The Explorer Race

    Mike Webb seems a bit lost..

    • There doesn’t seem to be enough letters there to make a coherent thought, yet, but I agree with it.

      • Kestrel

        It’s one of our biggest concerns – a scarcity of bees.

      • flyonthewall

        he’s missing one letter, geez! Be nice

        • I can’t tell which one.

          • Kestrel

            You should e ale to now.

          • flyonthewall

            o_0 I don’t elieve you

        • OOkpik

          “…but but to the farthest extremes.”

          Instead, he’s got two “but”s and doesn’t know if he’s coming or going.

    • How can he be lost if there’s no place that he belongs?

      • The Explorer Race

        Well, he seems to think he belongs in congress..

  • Jeopardy Power Player spoiler alert:
    Louis CK is smart.

  • Always Amazed

    Incoherent thoughts with all of the commas, Webb is halfway there.

    • Sherbet

      I’m thinking of asking Jaden Smith to translate.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Mike Webb must run for the hills. ‘Not’ for Congress.

  • The actual Republican candidate doesn’t know if to laugh or cry.

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    Billboard Status

    We made it! Billboard contract extension signed and sent. Thanks everyone for your support. We secured an additional few weeks that will take us into September.

    • flyonthewall

      i love Wed night success stories

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        This way I don’t have to stay up all night to get the stats up by Thursday at 2pm.

        • flyonthewall

          no, you’ll still have to stay up. Those shredded papers aren’t going to tape themselves back together.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Remind me….when does it come down temporarily and then go back up?

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        We have a gap in June and then back up in July.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Cool. Thx, Phil.

        • Ella Raitch

          So we get to celebrate the billboard going back up…kewl!

          Billboard 2: Davey’s Lament

          • Dice βœ“

            Ha ! cool idea Version 2.0 time for improvement and upgrades

        • Dice βœ“

          Do they charge extra for putting it back up again? How about use that gap to relocate?

          • Sid (Phil Jones)

            There is no charge to relocate. We didn’t have the dough at the time and the available locations were limited and not very suitable.

            • Dice βœ“

              ok!

    • There should be some kind of Guinness World Records entry about this billboard.

    • noseinabk

      The gofundme is great but paypal only charges 2 percent if you should consider going beyond Sept.
      https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/fundraising

      • Dice βœ“

        how much does the GoFundMe charge. do you know off hand?

        • noseinabk

          5 percent. They could keep the Gofundme up and make a paypal account as another option to donate. A substantial amount can be sent to paypal before they start charging a fee.

          • Dice βœ“

            I agree on that. Also the option make a monthly low contribution has to be the way if we want this billboard going over a long period of time, so it’s not a deadline issue every month! – smooth πŸ™‚

    • Dice βœ“

      You are a – Natural Born Billboard Handler!

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        Getting a PhD certificate on it from Sequoia University.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Mike Webb and $cientology? Porn on the COB
    What was he watching? Davey Does Dallas?

    Hey diddle diddle
    The clams have a fiddle
    The clowns jump over a loon
    The little COB laughs to see such shun
    And the shit ran away with the loot

    ………………………………………………..

    Now, some men they are gamblers
    And some men are unkind
    But evil little psychos
    Are the worst you’ll ever find.

    He locked his wife in prison
    But he wears his wedding ring.
    He beats his slaves, the crooked knave,
    Claims he’s never done a thing.

    He eats foie gras with whisky.
    His chefs cook for the king
    But in the Hole, those broken souls
    Know their lives ain’t worth a thing.

    So many disconnected,
    So many broke and blind.
    Junkies lied to, flunkies tied to
    A rotten crazy grind.

    Wee Davey was a gambler,
    Wee Davey was unkind
    And the evil f#@kin’ psycho
    Was the worst you’ll ever find

  • the personality test showed that I was not in the β€œnormal zone” on any measured factor, but but to the farthest extremes.

    Lucky guess!

    • flyonthewall

      In this FB post he’s denying he is a Hubbardite. Do Hubbardites still stone apostates? f5

    • I wonder how they would react if you walked into an org (c/w hidden camera) and asked for a personality text, behaving normally but wearing a tinfoil hat. If asked about it, you would reply (as if this was quite reasonable) that it was to deflect the alien mind-contol rays.

      Whatever they do, you win. If they throw you out for believing that aliens are here, that is inconsistant (especially considering their beliefs about ‘psychs’). If they take you seriously, the video would be priceless. Perhaps your ‘ruin’ would be believing in the wrong aliens…

  • 77 Peter St. Tablet post using Firefox.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Scientology Toronto is a bit tough to find. (F5)

      • Kestrel

        At least it’s not up on the fourth floor.

      • That sign is gone now. I had to go the dead org to get the new location.

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          Where are they now?

    • flyonthewall

      bc the chorus is “get the fuck out”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6PEAo98bMw

    • noseinabk

      Did they own or rent? Looks like most of the office rents at 2 College st are 2000.00. Hefty price to pay if you are trying to fund a new org.
      https://spacelist.ca/p/on/toronto/2_college_st/214

    • Robert Ramsay

      Curious if Susan McDonald/LRH Communicator is still holding the fort ?

      • The Toronto Org ED is Werner Strejewski as of a few months ago. Yvette Shank is out in Cambrige, where most of the CLO probably is.

    • stanrogers

      And that, sir, is ideal. Absolutely ideal. Couldn’t be better.

  • Supper Powers

    Refresh to be evangelized.

    • flyonthewall

      that crow raven looking to be a martyr??

    • noseinabk

      I think I had the same look on my face the last time the JW lady rang my doorbell at 8am on a Saturday morning.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I had them visit twice last month. Looks like their records are as well kept as Scientology’s Central Files.

        • noseinabk

          I don’t like to be nasty with the brainwashed for no reason but I was pissed. I had the flu and thought anyone ringing at 8am must be important. I opened the door and told her I was not interested. She said ” you look like you could use someone to talk to.” I shut the door in her face.
          😟 I feel bad for being so abrupt to that nice lady until I consider the fact that she had two nice looking young men ( 14 or 15 or so) standing behind her. I hope they wake up to the fact that what they are doing doesn’t work.

          • They bring the kids along in the UK too (sometimes younger than that). It’s an interesting tactic.

            If you are short with them, this demonstrates to the kids how hostile the ‘ungodly’ are. If you control yourself for the sake of the kids, it puts you on the back foot, and gives them an opportunity to present their spiel. You can’t win.

            • April

              I’ve never once had to be short with the JW or the Mormon kids. I just open the door and say, “I’m not interested, thank you.”

            • gtsix

              I open the door in my best biker dyke outfit and invite them in for a chat.

              They never accept. Meanies.

    • Robert Eckert
      • One of my friends used to work for Israel’s largest cream cheese manufacturer, testing cheeses. He was from Nazaret Illit.

        • Robert Eckert

          I hope their marketers were smart enough to use the brand name Cheeses of Nazareth

          • April

            That would be awesome.

  • daisy

    So exactly how do you hide the porn tabs ? er I am asking for a friend .

    • You can’t. You/r friend have to buy a special app from Big Porn.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      I’ve often wondered, in the course of all the meetings- the meetings with the developers and management, the meetings of the the tech managers with the marketing people, the ones between the company shareholders and board of directors, the hypergeek programmer chitchat in the Chrome team cubicle farm at Google HQ, and in the infinite number of press questions posed and answered- whether the word ‘Incognito’ or the word ‘Porn’ was used most frequently surrounding the conceptualization, creation and release of the Chrome Incognito Mode feature. Gotta be a coin toss.

      It’s still not safe or Incognito enough to buy drugs, but it’ll hide the freaky, and pretend it was never there at all.

      • OOkpik

        Gasp. It’s Commodore McCrinkleberry! I haven’t heard your name for far too long. Welcome back.
        I hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

    • You close them before you take a screenshot and publish it online.

      This guy did the equivalent of posting a press release, and accidentally putting the ‘adult’ magazine that was sitting on the table into the same envelope.

      It isn’t an IT issue – it’s an example of incompetence that (I should hope) will informally disqualify him from public office forever (although he may qualify for an honourary mention in the Darwin Awards).

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Open two separate browsers, and use one for porn and one for the boring stuff (news, Bunker, cat pics).

      • daisy

        I haven’t had so many responses to a joke. The bunkers are dirty dirty men. LOL

  • Jimmy3

    Wicca wicca what up Wednesday
    http://youtu.be/3vlAdMeZSfw

  • Sunny Sands

    (F5) Some time ago, Scientology purchased the “Lee Arnold” building in Clearwater. They are now extensively renovating this building. The building next to it doesn’t have a name, but I was told it pertained to Freewinds reservations, and is also being renovated. Both of these buildings are on the left side of this picture. Pic taken this evening.

    • noseinabk

      Members should ask themselves if there is any event or location they can attend and still avoid being regged for more donations. *smh*
      The more they build the more they add to the risk of public members wondering why every building is so empty.

      • Sunny Sands

        It does seem like they always have to have a building project going on in Clearwater.

    • chukicita

      I remember this – they bought it for $3 million and it was valued at $610,000.

      http://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/scientologists-buy-chunk-of-clearwaters-super-block-dream/2143942

  • Sunny Sands

    If Tom Cruise is really moving to Clearwater, he may be looking at this compound only a very short distance from Flag. It’s really too cheap for him, but maybe as a 2nd home. (F5)

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      It would be convenient for the poor Sea Orgers who work in the Flag furniture shop to make deliveries too. It’s just a few blocks away.

      https://goo.gl/maps/9717aeemuS32

      Edited with the correct location.

      • Sunny Sands

        Yes, in case he needs another burlwood pen or something.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Seriously though. You remember the story about how DM helped Cruise renovate his airplane hanger? All worked on by Sea Org labor. I’m sure he’s been the recipient of other “gifts” as well. They seem to do nice work when not busy building the Nuremberg Rally set pieces.

          • noseinabk

            One of the many reasons the whales in COS disgust me. Regardless of what they say about respecting SO members they have no problem with the fact that those members wait on them hand and foot and still have the audacity to call that servitude a way of saving the planet or helping KSW. Egotistical fools.

            • Rasha

              Hear, hear!

          • April

            I wonder how many of those guys have since left the CO$. They guy who did the beautiful burlwood work has blown, I believe.

            • Robert Eckert

              I think most of the burlwood work was by John Brousseau (formerly married to Shelly’s sister).

      • chukicita

        If you ‘drive’ around the block to the Grand Central Ave entrance on Google Maps, there’s a Flag bus parked by the door:

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c305b9400b4c0b793519bb4113f3d8836d53999f1d9b2b090358cf4e407d07e.jpg

  • Supper Powers

    Radio interview with Ron Miscavige.
    http://youtu.be/hGRGueUf-SwP

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Ha! Ron L. Hubbard. Might have to change my Avi.

  • Supper Powers

    This touch assist stuff is so very creepy.

    • Jonathan Cummings

      and useless!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Unless of course, it’s in your browser tab filed under PRON.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Actually, this appears to be a “Nerve Assist.”

      They are two different processes. A touch assist is usually “feel my finger” followed by the touch to a part of the body. The person says they feel it. The auditor acknowledges and continues in another spot. It is done on someone in a chair or standing up.

      A nerve assist is a stroking kind of action, “following the nerve channels.” It usually is done on someone lying down such as in the photo. Along the arms, along the legs, down the back, down the front, across the ribs on the front and back.

      And yes it can be creepy, the nerve assist is more ‘hands on’ and can seem or feel inappropriate.

      • Supper Powers

        Thanks for explanation.

  • Liberated

    Mike Webb is the opening joke on Daily Show right now, porn tabs and all. Funny.

  • beauty for ashes

    OOOOOh Folks! Leila Willis wrote this book called Farrakhan the movie. Ya know leader of NOI who has embraced dianetics? Folks, I’m listening to Leila talk about this hellish marriage from the OTHER side. She says she wrote this book for skeptics and those that like facts! And she knows facts, I’m far into it although not done yet. Bunkeroos I haven’t heard anything this juicy its long but its goooooood!
    We should have a new book club! Let me know if anyone has read this and what you thought. πŸ™‚
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHoiYQLLCcU

    • I liked the book. Should be a movie.
      Leila is a brave warrior.
      Her life should be a book/movie.
      Finally got to meet her at Tony’s book signing in Chicago.

      • beauty for ashes

        I have to buy her book. I like her voice. Lucky you !

    • Robert Eckert

      Shorpy and I sat with her and Darth Xander and his partner Strong Strength at the pizza dinner after Tony’s talk in Chicago. She is what is technically known as a “pistol” or a “hoot”.

      • beauty for ashes

        Tooootally jealous. BTW~ Darth Xander called in to this show, just in case you didn’t listen to all three hours!!

  • Robert Ramsay

    So during the Garcia trial…

    I just got off the phone with Gary Soter and the impression I got is
    that the church is very interested in my involvement in this arbitration
    and the arbitration take place. It felt as though I was being prompted
    to move forward with the arbitration. Gary was very pleasant and in
    unspoken terms was basically, from my perspective, trying to coax me
    into arbitration. He made it a point to refer to an unnamed legal case
    in which someone got “hammered” a week ago and recovered nothing. He
    told me directly that I would get nothing if I took this matter to
    court.

    Ring a bell Gary ?
    Rob Ramsay

  • sizzle8

    Any scientologist in good standing that was picked to be on the arbitration panel and who subsequently ruled in the Garcias favor would be guilty of a High Crime and be declared.
    A fair arbitration CAN’T happen.
    It’s impossible, off source, off policy, squirrel, out-ethics, out KSW, other fish to fry, criminal, suppressive, etc. to side with the Garcias.
    They are labeled SP’s.
    Why doesn’t the judge get it?

    • grundoon

      The judge wants to rule on the basis of what the Scientologists actually do, not what their scriptures say they should do.

  • Dice βœ“
    • The way I understand it, their description of QM is wrong.

      It’s not that you can’t measure the position and momentum of very small particles because the physical act of measurement disturbs them (although it does). It’s more fundamental (and wierder) than that.

      It’s that, in the world of untimately small things, the same rules don’t apply. Position and momentum cannot exist at same time – if you measure one with high accuracy, the other could be any value at all. You have to take a probalistic approach – whhich is what Einstein hated so much when he complained that God does play dice with the universe.

      • 9001

        When Einstein said “God does not play dice.”
        Niels Bohr responsed: “Einstein, stop telling God what to do.”

        • Dice βœ“

          LOL πŸ™‚ did he say that! “God does not play dice.” -Stolen

      • Dice βœ“

        How small can anything get? the result can be altered so many times before we can perceive it with our bodily sensors, so we have to rely on logical understanding before we look at the results.
        imo πŸ™‚

        • That’s about it.

          Authors of books for the layman tell us that the problem is that analogy breaks down and the smallest possible scales.

          We used to think of fundamental particles as things that behave like billiard balls. In QM they are more like clouds of possibilities that only become manifest when a measurement is made – and if we measure one thing we make it definite, and never know the other thing.

          The only way to ‘understand’ this is through mathematics (which I don’t have) and even then, while you can make incredibly accurate predictions you don’t really understand what it going on – the world of the very small operates in such a different way to the macroscopic one that we inhabit.

          Worse yet, string and brane theories are now re-conceptalising fundamental ‘particles’ as wierd twists in higher-dimensional spaces.

          Maybe one day, we will develop a conceptual framework that will enable us to understand these things intuitively. Maybe not. One thing we can be sure of is that someone will keep trying.

          • Dice βœ“

            It’s quite scary how i understand what your writing! πŸ˜‰ we must agree on this… he he

    • Roger Hornaday

      That’s an interesting thought game but it’s based upon pretending the universe splits into two every time you make a decision. Let us say that a decision is NEVER made nor has a decision EVER been made. This would be because there is not a person who decides. There isn’t really a person at all nor has there EVER been. What we call the ‘person’ is merely thought activity. The sense that “I think my thoughts” is itself just a thought and thoughts appear and disappear in accordance with the same laws that make the wind blow and molecules stick together. Does the wind decide to blow in a particular direction? No. Do you decide what thought will enter into your mind next? No. It is all determined by the forces of action already set in motion. So a decision has never been made. Let us say QM is a device God made to make things interesting and unpredictable.

      • Dice βœ“

        To add on this. You know the law’s of entropy and the fact that nothing is truly mathematically random? Since quantum physics may change the way we think about Things! we could be lying to our self on a global scale. This does not change how we perceive Things! but more the perception on how to change the world around us, using our understanding to Quack all the other people up. Or something like that πŸ™‚

  • Liberated

    Egyptiair Flight from Paris to Cairo has vanished from radar–flight 804.

    • dreamcatcher

      I just read it crashed into the Sea somewhere around the Greek islands….

      • richelieu jr

        WTF?!!!!! I take that route all the time!

  • OOkpik

    Scientology’s Third Party Law
    For a quarrel to occur, an unknown third party must be active in producing it between the two opponents.

    Like this?

    • sashiebgood

      Lol

  • Steve Bazemore

    As a virginia resident, im curious if anyone knows what org this candidate vistied? Last i checked there were no orgs in Va, no scientology what so ever, at least nothing listed on the scientology website. If its said in the article, i apologize as ive only had time to skim through it for now.

    • gtsix

      DC Ideal Org, 16th & P NW

  • Robert Long

    I was discussing the Mike Webb porn response with my little brother and I made the observation that it looked like it was written by an algorithm. This led him to the hypothesis that Mike Webb is, in fact, a robot posing as a human. “Ironically, the porn really was for research, ‘must investigate human sexuality…'” The Scientology thing could be more such research.