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How Ron Miscavige’s Scientology memoir reads to a former Scientologist

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We had our say about Ron Miscavige’s book Tuesday morning at midnight (in London) when it first started to hit your Kindles and other devices.

Now, friend to the Underground Bunker and former Sea Org official Chris Shelton has put together a video with his thoughts on Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me. And you’re getting more than a book review. Chris does a skillful job putting Ron’s book into some historical context, and also looks at its reception in the media and especially the attacks aimed at it by the Church of Scientology.

Give it a listen, and then please tell us your own thoughts about this really important book.

 

 
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Here are the DOX on the Nevada “Real Water” lawsuit

As we mentioned yesterday, there’s quite a mashup of fun stuff that has come together in the story of a new lawsuit in Nevada. Grecia Echevarria-Hernandez, a Catholic woman living in Las Vegas, filed suit on April 26 against the company that produces Real Alkalized Water. She had started working at the company the year before, but she was forced to watch Scientology videos and was told she would get raises for every Scientology course she completed. She refused to do the Scientology courses, and then was later fired.

“Real Water” preys on the gullible, claiming to have health benefits because it contains more “electrons,” which is like a restaurant saying its hamburgers are better because they contain atoms. The product is the brain child of Scientologist and Tea Party politician Brent Jones, who was elected to Nevada’s legislature in 2014. We’re going to keep an eye on this case, which is already getting a lot of (rather derisive) national attention.

In the meantime, here’s the actual court complaint, for our many readers who are document hounds…

Echevarria v. Real Water, Complaint

 
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When TexasLawyer speaks…

Last night, our Texas legal expert continued to dispense some wisdom about a legal situation that has left so many of us mystified, Monique Rathbun’s decision to fire her attorneys and then later dismiss her three-year lawsuit without a financial settlement. In case you missed these exchanges, we thought you might find them illuminating…

deathtoallpoliticians: This pattern of behavior indicates to me that there is a secret settlement in place. Why do you think such an outcome is impossible?

TexasLawyer: Not impossible. Just implausible in light of all available evidence. It’s also not impossible that the ghost of LRH returned to Earth, gave Marty his eternal blessing, and asked him to immediately fire the legal team and wait several months before getting around to asking to dismiss the lawsuit. Not impossible.

deathtoallpoliticians: My thought is that part of the secret settlement between the parties is the stipulation that (wink, wink) there was no settlement.

TexasLawyer: That would be a stipulation that none of the highly competent attorneys on the church’s side of the case would EVER allow their client to make. I would never expose my ass to being sued on such a ridiculously obvious – and readily provable! – conspiracy to defraud my opposing counsel out of a fee agreement. And beyond the personal liability, I would assume there is a damned good chance my license to practice would be yanked if I allowed my client to do something like that without addressing the matter to the court. I am personally and professionally familiar with several of the attorneys on the church’s side of this case. They are not stupid, unethical, crazy, or willing to risk professional suicide.

Missionary Kid: We look at it as being a case of win/lose, they probably look at the whole thing as, “I’m tired of this shit. I want to move along.” Yes, they probably could have gotten a monetary settlement, but I know of several people who were in marriages that got tired of fighting in the divorce settlement, and just walked away. The emotional toll on a couple, especially one with a new baby or small child, could be extreme, even if they’re winning.

TexasLawyer: Litigation fatigue alone is probably not an adequate explanation for what happened here. Monique didn’t just dismiss the lawsuit, or seek a quick and cheap settlement. She fired her legal team, then waited around another 4+ months to see what the Texas Supreme Court was going to do, THEN finally started taking steps to make the case go away. And all of that happened at a point in the litigation where (1) Scientology was 100% prohibited from doing anything to harass the Rathbuns, (2) the Rathbuns hadn’t had to actively do anything in the lawsuit for almost two years, since the whole thing was stayed while on appeal, leaving only the appellate lawyers to do any real work, and (3) THEY WERE OBJECTIVELY WINNING. Apologies for the all-caps, but come on. This was probably not motivated, at least solely, by litigation fatigue.

 
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Cinco de Mayo, one year later

One year ago today, we got a special package in the mail to our underground lair. We captured the moment as we got a look at the first copies of our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely.

Since then, London-based Silvertail Books has sold more than 10,000 copies of this story about journalist Paulette Cooper’s ordeal at the hands of the Church of Scientology. We’re very grateful to our many readers, and we thank you for all of the great messages and photographs we’ve received. What a year it’s been. Pass the tequila.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 5, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Lucille Austero

    Talking about abusing Ron’s first wife.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    No, never punched wife repeatedly…

  • Jimmy3

    Oh god

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    What is punching???

  • Jimmy3

    She’s tearing him to shreds

    • chelleinchicago

      She delights in doing this.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    It was a horrible thing…

  • Supper Powers

    Denying punching in face. She’s dragging it out.

  • Lucille Austero

    This doesn’t look good – Ron talking about how he abused his wife…

  • TexasBroad

    You admit that you abused your first wife? RM Absolutely… MK: Repeatedly? She drills him for specifics about the abuse. He answers and then apologizes.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    Why did u have to escape?

  • Supper Powers

    I do not like this woman.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    She asks why he had to escape. He tells her you can’t walk out that door. Mail is censored. All is controlled. Calls monitored.

  • Lucille Austero

    Megyn – why did you have to escape. Ron – you cannot walk out that gate. Talking about them reading all mail. Calls Gold a compound!

  • Jimmy3

    No one cares because you come off like a scumbag.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    Everything is controlled!

  • PerpetualOutflow

    You couldn’t go off the base to get a pair of underwear.

  • TexasBroad

    did you have to escape? RMS: If you wanted to send a letter, you had to leave it open, they read it, if it was okay they sent it, if not, they told you you couldn’t say something. Listen in on phone calls.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    How did u escape?

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    Planned it for about 6 months… He was 76…

  • Lucille Austero

    Ron talking about how he escaped. No one expected him to escape.

  • Franklin Adams

    Is he talking about Int Base?

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      Yes.

      • Franklin Adams

        Thought so. The two gates kind of gave it away.

  • Lucille Austero

    Getting in the weeds now explaining details of his escape.

  • Lucille Austero

    Megyn – they’re going to chase you down like a criminal.

    • nicholas_jordan456

      did not see it so like did she speak favorably to something or admonish Corn Cob Team?

  • Tony Ortega

    One of the best details of the book: Ron and Becky spent months smuggling out their possessions before their escape.

    And what were those possessions?

    Hubbard books.

    • Lucille Austero

      Ugh!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      So ironic.

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      OMG!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      [sigh]

    • Supper Powers

      Noooo!

    • salin

      *sad sigh*

    • Kay

      Sort of says it all

    • Franklin Adams

      Shows you how deep the mindfuck goes.

    • Illinoisian

      The body escapes but it takes much longer for the mind.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Excalibur by any chance?

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Maybe they contained the tech to handle family relationships.

    • That’s a lot of ballast.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        LOL!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Ron Jr. must have burned his sets.

    • Kim O’Brien

      THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS !!!!!!!!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Well when toilet paper was scarce. They might have feared the real world had it much worse.

    • Bert Allen

      That is crazy, but consistent with my take that Ron still thinks there is value in Scientology.

  • Jimmy3

    Sorry, I hope you all know what side I’m on. Fuck Scientology.
    But this guy is not even close to even pretending to be a hero.
    This is a trainwreck.

    • Franklin Adams

      He’s not a hero and I don’t think he has pretensions of being one.

      • Jimmy3

        What that was does NOTHING to sell a book, nor a message. I don’t apologize for or make excuses for batterers. I don’t like him as a person. But he DOES have a legitimate book to sell, with a legitimate warning, but half of that shoddily edited interview was him describing how he beat his wife.

        Who watches this and says, hey, yeah, I want to read that.

        All I’m saying is that this is terrible marketing. That set him back.

        • Franklin Adams

          I’m a domestic violence victim (my ex wife was a physically abusive multiple substance addict, was not a fun 8 years) so yeah I’m right there with you, I dont like anyone who does it unless they change themselves and most don’t. I dont know if he did change himself or not, but yeah, to use one of Faux News’s own terms that was really “bad optics”.

        • Supper Powers

          on point. All of it.

        • Snippy_X

          He should fire his manager (or handler, as the case may be.)

    • Lucille Austero

      I agree that he didn’t seem as sympathetic as on 20/20…maybe it was the white leather dress?

      • daisy

        I think the thing that made him look sympathetic on 20-20 for me was that Mo Ding bat looked sooo much worse.

      • Ella Raitch

        I’m seeing a pattern with your comments here Lucille…

    • Davka

      I am literally just reading the page for the first time today and have no idea what’s going on except Megyn Kelly seems to have honed in on Ron’s abuse toward his wife, which to my mind there is no excuse for, and he should live a very long time with lots of regret over that. Doesn’t make his story about COS any less accurate or authentic. Just means he is a less than stellar human who raised a troubled young man who turned into a megalomaniac. As I said the other night, abusive family + LRH = COB.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Lack of media experience? It can be hard to present well on these types of shows without knowing how to do it, even if your history and character aren’t nearly as complicated as RM’s.

    • beauty for ashes

      Almost reminded me of Michael Lohan. He does not seem sympathetic. Its the defensiveness when she asked him about the specifics of the abuse. Which on one hand I can understand, but his answers were not very press ready.

  • TexasBroad

    MK: HOw did you escape? RMS Planned it for 6 mos. My cover was I was 76 and I was Davids father and no one expected it. March 26, 2012, I went to a remote gate and they recognized me and two security guards on duty (one had a car used to chase people down if they tried to escape). Got to gate, he was used to me, he opened gate, and we turned and left.

    • Illinoisian

      Thanks.

  • Lucille Austero

    That’s it!!! Thanks so much, Ron.

  • Supper Powers

    That was a crap interview.

    • salin

      Pretty light weight.

    • beauty for ashes

      She hyped it too much too.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    CoS has denied in full…

    • oknow

      So what, that’s what they always say.

  • Lucille Austero

    Church has denied Ron’s allegations in full. That’s all folks.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      No you must be kidding me.

    • Beth

      well that’s a shame. Thanks for the live blogging, tho πŸ™‚

    • aegerprimo

      Not surprised? ☺

      • Lucille Austero

        Shocked, I say!

    • Illinoisian

      Thanks, Lucille!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Easy bake oven or this for 150$ on ebay for my neice. Like the disclaimer.

    • Flying High

      Easy Bake oven and your warmth goes to your Niece. On the ‘meter’ best advice would be a Head Heavy Traffic Warning to Liam the robot over at Apple who disassembles and recycles all the Apple iPhones letting him know shipments by the truckloadsβ€”I mean trainloadsβ€”are coming his way!

  • Baby
    • Franklin Adams

      Can someone archive this and throw me a link? I dont give Gawker clicks.

      • Baby

        I don’t know how to do that Franklin…Maybe one of the younger kids can.

        • Franklin Adams

          I appreciate it regardless Baby, I got it taken care of.

    • Kay

      As if she isn’t nuts enough already….

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I don’t see what the big deal is about one $cio trying to get his religion to create a PAC and professionalize their political activities. I’m glad they were smart enough to follow his advice though. They always think they know better than the professionals in any area.

  • salin

    In mid west didn’t get the part with the Co$ response that I read that others saw. Here it was and ad break – and done with any comment about RM, COB, or Co$.

  • Nat-leficent

    Megan Kelly hates social justice. I. Must. Turn. This. Off.

    • Kay

      yup…..I need hazardous duty pay to watch Fox, or her. I’m already onto another channel.

  • Hamtaro

    Yes folks, it’s true, Ron Sr. sounded really bad in this prime time interview.
    If Megyn Kelly had a woman on who said she was raped, Megyn would ask “what were you wearing?”
    This is not journalism, it’s opportunistic exploitation.
    She’s not a reporter, she’s an entertainer. Once you get that fact straight, it all makes sense.

    • Kay

      Look at the difference between her and Anderson Cooper….no contest. Cooper is a real journalist IMO.

    • Lucille Austero

      But but but white leather dress.

      • Kay

        Yeah I admit that I liked that dress…I would like to own that. I would also like to be a blonde, and make millions a year. My life sucks. LOL

        • Lucille Austero

          I feel you, sister.

          • Kay

            Plus if I ever cut my hair that short, it wouldn’t be sexy, people would say I look like my Grandmother….not that my grandmother wasn’t beautiful…but hey you know what I mean.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i went to a pot store here in Denver today . The guy behind the counter was adorable ..blond, blue eyes ..southern drawl accent ..6’2 ….broad shoulders ..( my thighs caught on fire ..needless to say ) Southern guys flirt ..just as a habit ..so I was lovin it . He asked to see my ID ..he looks at it at said ..” wow ..your birthday is 6-9-69 ” ..( at this point ..i am hearing the song in my head ” you can leave your hat on ” from 91/2 weeks ( Joe Cocker ) …he looks up , we make eye contact ..my nipples wake up ….and he says ” My dad’s birthday is the day before yours …same year and everything …thanks ma’am ”

          My life sucks too πŸ™

          • Kay

            Ooooooo noooooo…….that is just as horrid as the first time anyone calls you “M’am” I feel your pain, truly.

          • Lucille Austero

            So we all agree. Megyn is depressing. White leather dress.

            • Kay

              Laugh !

          • Nat-leficent

            Dumb kid. Lost an opportunity there XD

            • Kim O’Brien

              LOL πŸ˜‰

          • Lucille Austero

            I will not disclose that I’m “relaxing” over here as well.

          • Frodis73

            Oh, Kim, that story is the best though.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i know right ? I told my mom ..she almost peed her pants LOL

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Always strange that for years Colorado was referred to as :”the hate state” for their stance on gay people. Who’d of thought they’d ever become so progressive?

            • Kim O’Brien

              um ..what ?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              In the 90’s

              Colorado Amendment 2, also known as Romer v. Evans,
              served as a major uniting factor for the gay community in 1996, when
              the Supreme Court ruled that the law was unconstitutional. Amendment 2
              was passed in Colorado in 1992 and prevented any city, town or county in
              the state from taking any legislative, executive, or judicial action
              from recognizing homosexual citizens as a protected class.
              In other words, the legislation took away the ability to put in place
              non-discrimination laws in the state of Colorado, giving it the “hate
              state” reputation. Due to a strong activist base, the case was pushed to
              the Supreme Court, where it was overturned. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, stating that:

              “To the contrary, the amendment imposes a special disability upon
              those persons alone. Homosexuals are forbidden the safeguards that
              others enjoy or may seek without constraint.”

              In the midst of the battle of Amendment 2, Price died in 1993 at the age of 39 as a victim of AIDS. He left Out Front to Greg Montoya, Jay Klein, and Jack Kelley. Kelley later died due to natural causes.

          • Ella Raitch

            *roaring*

          • phoebequeen

            Bwwwwwaaahhhh!!

    • aegerprimo

      What do you expect from Faux News?

  • Lucille Austero

    What I got out of the interview was damn, white leather dress. Girl. Mmmm hmmm. And why can’t I lose a few pounds? Maybe I should cut my hair. I could do that.

  • Nat-leficent

    Okay. I’m not watching Fox again. I mean unless they find Shelly and interview her or something XD

    • Jimmy3

      But Hannity is wearing a white leather dress. You have to see this.

      • Nat-leficent

        Brain bleach plz

        • Franklin Adams

          Even more after imagining Gingrich in a latex gimp suit.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Whoa, that’s freaking. Look what I just wrote above.

            • Franklin Adams

              Thats what I was referencing. Its terrifying.

              ETA: If you ever want a second career, write horror. You have the right mindset for it.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I thought you came up with it in parallel….whew.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        That’s nothing! Did you see Newt in the black shiny latex?

        • chukicita

          Stop it. I’m already gonna have bad dreams.

      • Ben Franklin

        Where is the unsee button?

    • salin

      Agreed.

  • Lucille Austero

    Now she says let her know on twitter what you thought of her interview with Ron.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Have at it, twitterers!
      https://twitter.com/megynkelly

      • Supper Powers

        If I had Twitter I would say, Too bad you are not really a journalist. That would have been a great interview if you were.

  • iampissed

    It’s content that counts. Not the set dressing

  • Lucille Austero

    Trigger Warning!!! Hannity is on now. Everyone turn off your TV.

    • Franklin Adams

      Im not usually much on trigger warnings, but ill make an exception for Mr. Hannity.

      • Lucille Austero

        I know right?

    • Nat-leficent

      Dog is sleeping on me and remote has fallen PLEASE ADVISE!

      • Kay

        AVERT YOUR EYES !!!

        • Nat-leficent

          The sound though!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Throw tablet at TV. Hard as you can!

            • Nat-leficent

              I tried downloading that app that turns your phone into a remote. Finally just woke up puppy Tyrion.

          • Nat-leficent

            HALP!

            • Lucille Austero

              Put your hands over your ears and repeat loudly: white leather dress white leather dress.

            • Kay

              I shall call 911 for you.

            • Nat-leficent

              Crisis averted. Puppy awoken.

            • Baby

              He’s not a puppy any longer is he Nat.. ?

            • Nat-leficent

              No. He’s almost three

          • Kay

            AVERT YOUR EARS !!

      • Supper Powers

        Do you by chance have monkey feet that can grab the remote?

        • Nat-leficent

          NO

        • FredEX2

          I do! Gimme dat!

      • Flying High

        Awe, post a picture of your baby and share with us if you like. πŸ™‚

        • Nat-leficent

          Baby f5

          • Kay

            OH…sooooooooooo cute !!!!!!!

          • vicariousthrill

            Awwwww!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Wook at the wittle puppeeeeeeeeeee!

          • Baby

            Good Lord.. look at that little tubby TY.. hahaha.. I can’t believe how big he is Nat.. darling.. Look at those big eyes.. I could never tell him no….ha

            • Nat-leficent

              I know. I shouldn’t give him snacks but he’s sooo cute and pathetic!

            • Baby

              Oh Nat…You have absolutely NO choice in the matter.. I would love to be around when you pick him up..ha

          • Kay

            DAMMMMM……I keep looking at this and it makes me want another dog, and I’m at my dog limit now. I shall avert my eyes now….

          • Robert Hanna Moore

            Unfair. Gimmee dat puppeh.

          • Flying High

            Thank you so much Nat. Completely adorable! In return, here is a picture of my best friend when he was a puppy about 7 years ago. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7240381a7c213e698f8c181ce1239fe20764cd78a0ddaeaae235f02ba193ded9.png

            • Kay

              PUG !! Crap now I want TWO more dogs. I’m going to end up being on Animal Planet as an animal hoarder if I don’t stop looking at these pics.

            • Nat-leficent

              Awww

            • daisy

              That dogs poop doesn’t look right, get him to the vet.

            • phoebequeen

              LOL! How did know one else see this!

          • Jimmy3

            He looks harmless, but he tried to bite my nose off several times.

            • Nat-leficent

              Out of LOVE!

          • daisy

            Don’t let Baby see this she is terrified of rats, especially big ones like this.

            • daisy

              Just kidding, look at those eyes and ears. It is hard to not spoil them with food I couldn’t resist that face either.

          • Juicer77

            (F5)

      • daisy

        I find it hilarious that people are reluctant to disturb an animal that sleeps 22 hrs a day ( me included) even though they have no problem waking you barking at thunder.

  • Baby

    Well shit.. I was watching MSNBC and missed the interview.. Good Lord

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I thought you were joking before when you said MSNBC. Sorry. πŸ˜‰

      • Baby

        Nope..hhahhaha

    • Nat-leficent

      It’s okay baby just a lot of details about how often he beat his wife

    • Lucille Austero

      To review: Ron underwhelming. Megyn white leather dress.

      • Kay

        Laugh !

      • chelleinchicago

        There’s no subtlety and very rarely any sign of empathy from Megyn. There’s always an undercurrent of “I’ll fuck you up if you don’t answer the question” …

        • Kay

          Yes tis true. She comes across as a far right pugilistic journalist. Those eyes are pretty, but kinda scary.

          • chelleinchicago

            I think she’s tried to prove how fierce she is (more than usual) since her interaction with Trump. It was after that she cut her hair, too. Kind of Travis Bickle-ish now that I think about it.

            • Joe Hurtado

              Removed the extensions after being called out a bimbo by Trump fans. She miraculously grew the hair out in a matter of two or three months in the fall.

            • chelleinchicago

              I had no idea! This new style seems a little severe but hey, that’s Megyn. (I keep wanting to write OB/GYN….)

            • Joe Hurtado

              Yup. She had to uphold some “standards” for Faux until they became a liability after she deigned to put the screws to Trump. Speaking of severe, could you see Mrs. Trump pulling off a short ‘do? Probably wouldn’t attempt it for practical reasons, like not getting divorced by the Donald.

              http://thefoxscat.blogspot.com/2015/05/fox-news-megyn-kellys-hair-extensions.html

        • beauty for ashes

          I don’t see how she did so well with Mike Rinder now. Maybe because he’s handsome and has an accent.

          • Aslan’s Own

            I was wondering the same thing. But you’re right – he is handsome and I love the accent!!

            • Irit8ted

              I do too. It’s distinctive.
              Although it does my head in a little. Mike cycles from American, thru Australian to kind of British, and back to American. Sometimes within the same word.

              The main thing is he seems sincere.
              I hope he doesn’t have a Marty-style meltdown.
              That would suck!
              No more Thursday Funnies and biting sarcasm.

              And on that note, I wonder what The Flying SP has up his sleeve next.
              Exposing some unbelievably clumsy Church move no doubt.

            • Aslan’s Own

              I know! When I listen I try to figure out which accent he’s doing! He does seem sincere and very poised in front of a camera (guess he had practice with that). One big difference between him and Marty I think is that Mike has a really good sense of humor and doesn’t seem to take himself so seriously.

              I’m curious what he’s up to too, especially when Karen said he’s working on something big!

          • chelleinchicago

            I watched her make the Duggar girls cry and I’m ashamed to say I ENJOYED IT. *I hate you Megyn*

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They should have made their mother cry. Ever hear her hate spewed robo calls against the LGBT community. I’d like to tie her tubes without a local.19 kids and counting. Sick
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1186382/Robocall-Michelle-Duggar-compares-trans-people-child-predators.html

            • chelleinchicago

              Well, J’Chelle DID cry but it was a tearless, breathless, little girl whimpery act. I heard the the robo calls way back when. I’ve been on a tear trying to get TLC to can their newest show since before it started. Seriously, don’t get me started. We are in total agreement.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            And Mike knows how to work an interview.

        • Juicer77

          She’s my kind of interviewer in that respect.

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • Todd Tomorrow

        I thought it was going to be a !/2 hour segment. Boooo!

      • Baby

        Thanks Eivol..

  • iampissed

    I’m waiting for you tube. Still watching flip or flop……um interesting

    • Lucille Austero

      Tarek and Christina – I love that show!

  • Supper Powers

    So was that the effects of dead agenting or does Fox News Channel not qualify as a legitimate news source?

    • Lucille Austero

      Is this rhetorical or do you need me to pass you the doobie?

      • Kay

        HAhahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!! Kim is passing the doobie for us, I presume.

        • Lucille Austero

          In Oregon it is weed o’clock.

      • Supper Powers

        Mostly it was a false dichotomy.

    • Franklin Adams

      Its never qualified, neither in High School, 2 year State College, for my BS or for my MA.

      Its up there with the Daily Heil, Sun and National Enquirer as far as reliability goes

    • Kay

      Fox news is to journalism as David Miscavage is to the actual Pope.

      • Franklin Adams

        That’d make a great SAT question

        • Lucille Austero

          Jinx!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          If Ron Miscavige pulls out of Gold Base and goes left at 75mph for 3 days and Gold Base security pulls out, goes right at 45 mph until the Whattaburger, stops for a value meal and then goes to the Walmart for some pine scent air freshener, how long will it take for the Bunker to rue?

          • Supper Powers

            Your hypothetical question is invalidated by the very fact that the Bunker is not capable of rueing. But nice try there L Wrong.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              D. None of the above.

              Well done!

          • Nat-leficent

            Never.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Somehow, that is correct as well.

          • Franklin Adams

            We never rue. And especially not inimically.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sorry, this is the math portion. Keep those fancy words for the reading comprehension module.

      • Lucille Austero

        You scored high on your SAT’s, didn’t you?

        • Kay

          Yeah I actually did….not that I really knew anything…I just test well. LOL

          • PerpetualOutflow

            You must have aced the personality test.

            • Kay

              LOL….don’t know about my personality traits, I’m afraid to test those. πŸ™‚

            • How do you feel about railway timetables?

          • daisy

            I actually test well too, which is hilarious because well you know., I barely function.

  • nottrue

    Hello goodbye its over ……fail……I wish he would stop the Koon-Aid. It took up all the time

  • Joe Hurtado

    I’m glad I’m reading the bad reviews. It’s saved me six minutes of my life and needless stomach acid production.

    Why did I expect more from the woman who declared a fairy tale figure and a Middle Eastern icon white?

  • Jimmy3

    Just delete before they can respond and you’re never mean.
    What up, lush?

    • Nat-leficent

      Seeing things J3?

      • Franklin Adams

        Naw, he said something kinda mean and then deleted it. It was in bad taste but it was pretty funny.

        • Kay

          Wow he must have been fast. As far as in bad taste…..well that’s Lush.

          • Kay

            OK, I apologize, that was rude of me towards Lush. I will go sit in the corner and repent.

            • daisy

              I didn’t always like what he posted but I did enjoy some especially the animal gifs. He definitely had bad taste , often . I will join you in the corner . Can we still drink ?

            • Kay

              Yes he did have some adorable animal gifs….I did enjoy those a lot. He just really pushed my buttons a few times. I wish him well.

            • Supper Powers

              You and Daisy are too nice, he was a prick to people for no valid reason. I miss those gifs, though.

            • Kay

              I love your bluntness, Supper !!! You always bottom-line things.

            • Supper Powers

              I type on a small iPhone. I have to get to the point or my hands cramp up.

            • Kay

              LOL !!!!

      • Jimmy3

        I see lots of things. I wasn’t blaming that on lush. I was just hoping he still reads here. And I asked him what up.

        • Nat-leficent

          I’m sure he does.

          • Jimmy3

            I’m sure you do.

            • Nat-leficent

              Hey! Go up vote the picture of my dog I posted below. It doesn’t have any up votes yet and he is anxious that people noticed that he has gained weight.

  • Hamtaro

    Good evening, fellow Bunkeroos. For reasons beyond my control, I am going to have to turn in soon.
    However, this was a pretty awesome Cinco de Mayo day. πŸ™‚
    I danced with several very mature senoritas, ate some of their freshly made guac (amazing!) and listened to their group remembrance of a story about why Cinco de Mayo is Cinco de Mayo, the holiday. I only studied Spanish in eighth grade, so what I understood was “this is the day that we kicked those French people’s ass in the war.” I could be totally wrong on this point.
    When we got home, my wife told me that at some point I joined a group of frat boys singing that Sammy Hagar song “mas tequila” before letting them pour it down my throat. Sadly, I’m old enough and promiscuous enough to be all of their fathers. I have zero recollection of this activity and will therefore assume this is simply another insidious plot by my beloved of 23 years to keep me from drinking. Note to wife: it probably won’t work.

    Best wishes to everyone on this fifth day of May. May you all conquer the French in equally festive fashion.

    • Supper Powers

      You are amazingly articulate and eloquent when you’re wasted! Kudos! Nighty night.

      • Hamtaro

        Thanks. It’s many years of practice. Just like ballet dancers and those guys that deal three card monte on Broadway.

    • Qbird

      one shot – hey hey Mas Tequila! 2 shots ~ laughing at the image, Hamtaro!

    • vicariousthrill

      Salud!

    • daisy

      My favorite sentence Did I do that ? Ahh blackouts I remember them fondly. I guess really I don’t remember them at all . My damn friends did, every detail. Glad you had fun.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Bonne nuit, le petit rongeur!

    • Jimmy3

      You’re the best hamster that has ever hamster’d, mi amigo. Buenos nachos.

    • This is cool. All I remember is sending my dick pics.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Pssst. Just between you and me, but where’d you get the camera with a microscope attachment?

        • Kay

          Hahahaha

        • From Donald Trump store.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            OK, you win. This comedy joust is over.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I didn’t get one.

        • daisy

          ééé

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            ???

            • daisy

              joke in bad taste

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Well, then I should’ve gotten it. I am embarrassed.

        • Juicer77

          LOL

    • Juicer77

      Sounds like you had soooo much fun! πŸ™‚

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Happy one year anniversary Tony!
    (Goodnight SPs)

    • Baby

      Night Eivol.. Pleasant dreams.

  • Kay

    Has anyone tweeted or gone on Megyn Kelly’s facebook per her request?

    • Supper Powers

      No but please send her my disregard.

      • Kay

        I shall…..

    • Aslan’s Own

      I looked at some of the tweets. Mostly people saying how awful scientology sounds.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Good god no!.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    If you missed it live, Ron Miscavige on ‘The Kelly File’…
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4880516412001/scientology-leaders-father-releases-ruthless-tell-all/

    • Supper Powers

      Don’t do it. Just no.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Didn’t get to see it live, watched it just now. I mean…it wasn’t…completely terrible. But it wasn’t great promo. If I were an average viewer who didn’t know much about scientology, I wouldn’t have learned anything of value from this interview. Ron had trouble staying on message–especially after Megyn kept going back to the domestic violence well–and his story came out a little convoluted. Lapsing into scientology speak when he got flustered didn’t help either.

      Well, I’m sure he’ll get more opportunities. And hopefully he’ll get better as he gains some media experience. Talking points, Ron–practice ’em.

      Also, I was disappointed that Megyn was not wearing the much ballyhooed white leather dress during the interview. But the black off-the-shoulder thing with that slick short hair? Fierce, girl. Fierce.

      • daisy

        He was unnerved by the ambush I think.

      • Aslan’s Own

        I think he needs someone like an advisor (Mike Rinder??) who could coach him on how to stay on topic and as you say, have some talking points.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Remember how much Jenna improved as she got practice touring for her book?

          • Aslan’s Own

            Yeah, you’re right. It does take practice. I know if somebody shoved me in front of a TV camera I would probably just babble incoherently.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s not easy. All of those hot lights, cameras, people staring at you. White leather dresses.

            • Aslan’s Own

              Ha! I couldn’t watch it so I didn’t see the infamous white leather dress.

          • True, that.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Oh, wouldn’t it be sweet if Rinder would take him under his wing?

          • Aslan’s Own

            I know! I think that would be cool, and he could really help him to polish up the way he tells his story. But I do I think he comes off as very friendly, which is good.

        • Phil and Willie are phenomenal at staying on message and not losing focus, even when they get emotional, they don’t lose their message.

          • Aslan’s Own

            You’re exactly right. I’ve been so impressed with them when they speak to the media.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Agreed. They have been excellent.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Have they been interviewed by a TV Barbie in a hot white dress yet? Ummm hhhmmmm, didn’t think so. πŸ˜‰

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yes Donald.

            • Well, there is that.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Seemed edited to make him look bad.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Meh, I don’t know about that…He wasn’t doing himself a lot of favors by tripping over some of his answers and telling overlong stories.

      • Juicer77

        I thought he came across as genuine, and Ms. Kelly rightly pushed him on the domestic abuse. He got a little flustered but that shows he’s human. If he’d been overly practiced and glib (ha!) it would have come off badly.The clip above (see Eivol’s link) may have been different than what was shown live, but the stories of absolute submission to his own son and having to escape were powerful and believable.

  • Jimmy3

    Megan Kelly and Ron Miscavige were never in the same frame during the interview segment. It was an obvious editing hack job. And it was chopped up and spliced and it was embarrassing. I need a shower. But I needed a shower anyway.

    • Kay

      I found the disclaimer right off the bat a little disconcerting also, as in “Scientology has done a lot of good for a lot of people.” Was that an attempt at fair journalism, or a courtesy to Greta Van Susterern or what?

      • Jimmy3

        Shit can get awkward real quick when you share a fridge in the break room. That’s what that was.

        • Kay

          Yeah that’s true. She COULD have said “according to members of Scientology, the religion has been beneficial to many people” and I could have stomached that. However, she laid it out there as if it was a given fact.

        • Rasha

          Ah! I was wondering why I couldn’t find a coworker named “Bait” after I ate his lunch, so I could apologize….

          • daisy

            Respect – answer funnier than the very funny joke

        • Juicer77

          YOU TOOK THE LAST ORANGINA, YOU BASTARD!!

      • daisy

        I haven’t read the book, and I am not trying to be a smart ass, but why would it take 6 months to come up with a plan that was basically one lie. I know he had a different reality about its perils so maybe it took 6 months to work up the nerve. He would be better off saying that. Maybe I am being picky. Yes daisy you are. . Nice talking to you Kay.

        • Supper Powers

          Tony said he spent that time smuggling his personal belongings, including LRH books, off the base. And Ron said he conditioned the gate keepers to trust him to just go to the other side of the base.

          • daisy

            Oh yeah he did blog that , I forgot that .Forgive me I have a poor memory and a short attention span. That was actually very smart of him.

            • Supper Powers

              No worries. I am old and I too…squirrel….>>>>

            • daisy

              LOL I just got that despite using basically the same joke. Mine was I have ADH….Yours was funnier.

          • Good thing they don’t have RFID tags on those books, like my library.

            “The Int Base LRH book stat just went down by a whole set.”
            “Send a team, we have a runner!”

        • pluvo

          It’s hard to understand. Years after I was out I had still nightmares about being back and trying to figure out how I could leave/escape (and I had “routed-out”). Ron would have never been allowed to “route-out”. You are under mental pressure so that you have to pull yourself up to work things out in your mind. Think about trying to flee a captivity without getting caught and also not getting caught planning it. If he would have been found out he most likely wouldn’t have had another chance.

          • daisy

            Now that I have been thinking about it I can understand. I sweat lying to get out of a meeting. What a horrible reality to have to escape from your son. Or escape anything, anything for that matter.

            • pluvo

              Additionally you have to deal with the Scio indoctrination which Ron had for decades. It’s seldom that one doesn’t consider himself being a Scientologist anymore after so long time. So you have to fight this duality in your mind and that you get SP-declared with all its ramifications. Only after you have decompressed somewhat you can sort out your mind. You have also to figure out how and where you live now and financial matters.
              Ron is very brave, he could just be quiet and wouldn’t have all this stress, especially with the age of 80.

            • daisy

              Yes he is brave, especially the age thing. It would be so much easier to stay. I admire Bruce Jenner for that reason too.

            • Qbird

              Yes, brave. To put yourself out there on ‘live’ nat’l TV like that. !?!
              Answer hard hard questions. I can’t imagine. I don’t think I’d have the guts to do that.
              and i tell you what, he appears to be telling the truth as best he can.

        • Ella Raitch

          Not sure Daisy – maybe it was 6 months observing guard schedules, creating a routine that meant leaving the gates to cross the highway became an action that wouldn’t raise eyebrows….time to access private documents and belongings without raising suspicions; putting money aside

      • phoebequeen

        Yeah, I was yelling at the tv for that one. “Should have let Martin Press write the fucking book!”

    • Snippy_X

      I didn’t think it was that bad. Ron seemed aggravated by something. Maybe Greta was mean to him beforehand, but he still did well answering her questions. Even the aggressive ones. They were in the same frame, though. They were kind of staring each other down. That was kinda awkward. Also, I think they gave him a little chair.

      • Jimmy3

        I should never have said ‘never’. But the way they edited and aired it, they were cutting back and forth, and it never seemed like a discussion. It was back and forth in an awkward way.

        • Snippy_X

          yep – agree. It was unnecessarily uncomfortable. I do totally get the shower thing.

      • Ella Raitch

        I thought he did well. Once again – comes across as earnest and repentant

  • seriouslyWTF

    Do you think that Ron is not aware of wee Davy’s asthma attack In 1980 that put him in the hospital? Refresh

    • daisy

      I see I am going to need the scientology dictionary.

      • pluvo

        COCMO= Commanding Officer Commodore Messengers Organization
        D/CO= Deputy Commanding Officer

        • daisy

          They do enjoy their acronyms and silly titles, thank you for the translation.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        dedemidate. ARC,ML Todd CCOBMYTYSCOHB

        • daisy

          Except for the name Todd I understood none of that

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I was channeling. ARC=All are crazy. ML=Much love CC..describes sex acts in txt form.

        • Bippity Boppity Boo!

    • Juicer77

      I was pondering this.. perhaps Ron felt than any backslide in DM’s asthma was because he had slacked off on auditing or other crucial $ci practices. Not exactly “he pulled it in” but something like stopping taking a needed medication. JMO.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s in the book.

      • seriouslyWTF

        Oh good. Thank you. I obviously haven’t read it yet.

  • Franklin Adams

    Well, I said I wouldn’t comment much because of my migraine. I lied.

    Now I’m really regretting it so I’m gonna go try to sleep. I blame Fox News, Megyn Kelly, Donald Trump and his taco bowl, Michael Moore and some SJWs, LRH and COB for making it that much worse.

    They all deserve to go play highway football on the Fairbanks Curves on I-4 at around 4:10 PM on a Friday. Maybe you have to be a Central Floridian to get that one.

    Anyway, I’ll see ya’ll later.

    • Baby

      Night honey.. feel better .. wash cloth over eyes..ox baby

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Michael Moore? What did he do?

      • Supper Powers

        She interviewed Moore earlier in the show.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I might be the only one to get the Fairbanks curve reference.

      • Franklin Adams

        I grew up quite literally next to the Par Street exit in College Park. I’d lose count of the accidents at the curves over the space of a year because it happened so often. I still wonder why the hell that stretch of road is so prone to people losing their shit. Especially when I-4 has a thousand places from Tampa to Daytona that should be much more dangerous, like that stupid median for the Westbound Colonial exit less than 100 feet after the Ivanhoe exit.

        I miss home a hell of a lot, but driving there sucks if you have to use the highway.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Karen mentioned the interview got extended to 30 mins. What am I missing from the quick clip I saw under 10 mins?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You missed nothing. They showed about 10 minutes. I fear Karen was mistaken. Maybe they filmed for 30 minutes and Ron assumed it would all be shown?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thx, that makes sense it looked very edited.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          It was definitely pre-show B-roll footage.

  • Illinoisian

    Ron Sr.’s book really is very good. He comes across as basically an ordinary guy who got caught up in something that offered ways to help him improve his life — and which seemed to work. Over time, he watched as both Scientology and his son slowly became distorted, twisted, oppressive and eventually, something to escape from. Many will find it easy to identify with him. This book will penetrate the wall of the bubble. And it builds to an ending.

    The Fox News interview was uncomfortable to watch. Geared to those who love the sensational and have a short attention span . . . and who like fashion. White dress, black dress. A parody of an interview.

    • pluvo

      Also Ron looked pale and exhausted. Not so in the abc interview. He should take it more easy and not expose himself to unnecessary attacks from some media vultures. He doesn’t owe them anything.

    • phoebequeen

      I thought a little bit of the short attention span too. Just not enough in depth questions or answers. I guess we don’t have to speculate that he is an indie anymore.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    O/T but I’ve never watched fox news. They said that trump was”pro life with no rape or incest exception” Really, WTF? I would think you’d lose any female’s vote. Isn’t incest dangerous when carried to term? I’m just gobsmacked. I understand this is a sensitive issue. Honestly though Men shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Abortion is no fun but carrying a child to term after being raped by a relative?

    • Kay

      He didn’t start out talking that way, he’s bowing to the ultra far right of the party now. Incest is a risk to the fetus because of genetic issues…and the younger the girl, the greater the risk to her life in trying to carry a pregnancy. The youngest patient I ever had in an ER who was pregnant from incest was eleven years old. Horrifying. Trump says something different every day, sometimes every hour. He made three differing statements on abortion in one day if I recall correctly.

      • I was just gonna say he’ll say anything to win.
        Still waiting for the media to fact-check him.
        Or ask him something any 5th grader would know.

        • Kay

          ITA…

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’m sure any a fifth grader could tear him up. Idiot does business all over the world but has a geography problem similar to palin.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I have a friend who works in Africa where girls as young as nine are raped often by relatives. Afterwords due to the physical damage to their bodies they leak and because of the urine smell are banned to live in tents and fed scraps,. 20 years ago a woman started a clinic where these woman attempt to get help. A simple surgical procedure stops the leaking and they are given new clothing which helps with their self esteem. Last I heard she was trying to find someone to take it over in her old age, The transformation of the girl’s is so inspiring. Most are given a bus ticket home where they are accepted back into their tribes. I wish I could remember the name of the doc. My friend has worked her to get funding for the clinic.
        I just can’t believe in this country that we’d regress or have regressed to similar legislation to punish a victim.

        • Kay

          Yes, there are a lot of issues with urinary incontinence in Africa with girls because of underage pregnancy, and also due to female castration. (a whole other horror perpetrated against females) I have heard of that woman you mentioned who started the clinic to fix this problem…if I remember correctly she recruited physicians to do corrective surgeries on these girls. Woman have it so tough in so many areas of the world, it is just so disheartening.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I couldn’t agree more and I guess I would expect more woman to band together on these issues. The only planned parenthood which offers abortions has dwindled to one in texas. Prior to the procedure they are required to watch a movie about how horrible they are.
            I thought the tide of change was finally turning the corner to more of a common sense model in my lifetime. With gay’s allowed to marry, legalizing of marijuana which is so much less dangerous than alcohol..Then out of nowhere you get a false story circulating about planned parenthood, which provides healthcare for woman, just not abortions being defunded left and right..One step forward two steps back it’s really sad war against poor woman. You know if trump’s or cruz’s daughter was raped it would be taken care of.
            I’ve lived in Brazil for many year’s of my life where abortion is illegal. Numerous analysis have shown that per capita more abortions are actually done there than in the US. In a place where it is much harder to feed a child the poor woman are often put into harms way by bizarre potent poisons and back ally abortions. Point being if the right wing wants these women to carry these children to term they should offer to pay for their upbringing too.
            I apologize for ranting but even if it is just political rhetoric, it’s a horrid attack on the women of this country.
            Edit: Kay if genital mutilation was happening to men in these countries, well..,I’m sure it would be much more concern since they are the in control populace!

            • Loner Star

              What Texas has done to Planned Parenthood is a travesty. An unfortunately high percentage of my fellow Texas voters are complete fools. All one has to do is look at the caliber of idiots who are in the legislature and statwide offices.

              I wasn’t aware that Trump has taken the hardline stance on abortion. Just a few months ago he said Planned Parenthood does good work. Cruz and others attacked him of course. But he kept winning despite that remark. I don’t know why he thinks he needs to cozy up to the fucktard hard right now.

              Well, the good news is that the GOP is being blown apart. Democrat party is next hopefully. Two party system sucks and needs to go.

        • Ella Raitch

          The doctor is Australian and the story is reasonably well known here. It is not only urine smell but faeces that can leak through fissures as a result of traumatic child birth.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            She’s a saint.

            • Ella Raitch

              I just remembered – the ‘wounds’ are called fistulas – and that is what she teaches others to repair. Changes lives.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It sure does in their body language and their bright smiles these girl’s on their way to womanhood are given a second chance in life so few get.

      • Robert Eckert

        Trump does not actually hold any beliefs on this or any other issue that doesn’t affect him personally. He says whatever he calculates will get him attention, or if he has not had any time to pre-calculate an answer, he riffs in an ad-hoc random manner.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Women love Trump, didn’t you know? He says so all the time.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I can’t listen to him as it started to make me ill. But after losing my fox news virginity tonight and learning that he’d actually followed cruz into the pro life, incest, child rape nonsense brought back that nausea.

        • phoebequeen

          I am pretty liberal independent. And, a news junkie. I admit, I like to watch the different stations for their take on issues. Most of the time, I know what I am going to get depending what station I turn to. CNN, love to have clocks and count downs for things. They usually just give the news with some drama. MSNBC, left leaning but with some brilliant people like Rachel Maddow that can explain some very complex issues in a way that is easy to understand. Fox news, cray cray, hate Obama and people with some color in their pigment. That is my take on things. I do watch it when their is breaking news to see how they spin story . I just shake my head sometimes.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            A few months back I was getting well rather depressed. Part of my job depends on monitoring the news for trends in finance, One of my best friend’s told me to stop watching the news so much, unless it concerned my job. It actually worked and brought me out of my funk. Suddenly tonight waiting for Ron to appear I left my TV on in the background. Suddenly all the anxiety came rushing back hearing Fox news. And it actually was the first time I ever listened to their virulent garbage, Back to denial as I know whom I’m going to vote for.

            • phoebequeen

              I know what you mean. I do take well needed breaks. Most of the time, it is on in background. Now that it is warming up more or less, I spend more time outside . I usually take a break when ever Anti Christ Trump comes on. Turn the channel and if he is on all of them, I turn on the music or reruns . Can not stand this man with every fiber of my body.

      • April

        And I thought Romney was bad in 2012 with his “binder full of women.”

    • oops

    • Baby

      When I was working as a Child Care Educator in Toledo ..mid 90s .. There were 33 girls under the age of 12 pregnant via incest at any given time. Those are the facts. The reality of some girl’s lives. Infuriating.

      Babies with VD.. OK.. I gotta stop.. before I have flashbacks of those poor children..both young Mamas and their children. I would take them to the Dr.s appt. them holding a baby on their lap and both of them sucking their thumbs.

      • April

        πŸ™

      • Todd Tomorrow

        How did you know it was incest? Just curious if they put the sperm maker’s in jail?

        • Baby

          Yes..I worked in the home and it was for Pregnant and Parenting teenagers.

          It wasn’t the home that it was in the 50’s ..because gone are the days girls would get pregnant and go out of town..give up their babies and come back home.

          So my facility would take Pregnant girls that were in the system and they would have their babies and go over to the other side of the building

          and learn parenting techniques from me. I would have their file and of course it would have already been determined through the court who the father’s of the baby would be.. ( Dad, Brother, Step Dad.. Mother sold them to John’s .. etc.)

          Sometimes the girls would come in with their toddlers and come straight to my side.. ( the 2 sides were separated by a hallway)

          Pregnant/Parenting.

          The statistics above in the first comment .. We did not service all these girls. In some cases Man sentenced to prison and mom/ or family member assist the young girl with parenting to keep her/him in the family.

          We worked with the courts.. Social Services .. Guardian ad Litem Program.
          Probation officers.. etc.

          Each case was different of course.. For instance one woman held her 14yr. old daughter down while her boyfriend raped her because the mother wanted a baby and couldn’t have one.

          We were for the bad ass kids.. we took girls from all over the country that no other facility could handle. They were Angry and out of control. Given their histories I WOULD BE ANGRY TOO.

          We had one girl deliver her baby handcuffed to the bed. I could write a book about my work.

          • Juicer77

            I have no words.

            • Baby

              no words are needed. I would leave work and not talk the rest of the evening. I was on call 365 days 24/7.

            • Frodis73

              That is why jobs like that have such a high burnout rate…it’s not that people want to stop helping, it literally scars a persons soul and psyche.

            • Baby

              Yes. And you don’t do it for the money. I would have people tell me that I would get a tougher skin .. I never did.

              and Jude, my twin worked with sexually abused and physically abused children in a city that was about 3 hrs. from me.

            • Snuzey

              I always thought you was one of the most sweetest and sensitive people on this blog. Now I know! Amazing what you did. x Just wanted to say that.

            • Baby

              Snuzey.. that is possibly one of the nicest things I’ve ever heard about me. I will treasure your compliment. Thank you so much.

              it certainly has exacerbated my anxiety level today.. and I’ve been retired for years. Again..Thank you.

            • Frodis73

              I would end up drinking every night after work to get thru that probably. You are amazing and tough to do a job like that.

            • Baby

              I did actually.. with people I worked with.. Like cops who can discuss he day’s events because they can’t discuss it with anyone else.

          • Newiga

            T_T

            • Baby

              yes…Writing that brought back too many memories. There should be some things that should NOT be known.. let alone seen.

            • OOkpik

              Or lived by the victims!

            • Baby

              OMG absolutely.. now I feel so self absorbed.. Jeeze. I’m tired.

            • OOkpik

              I’m so sorry that my comment made you feel that way. That was not at all what was intended.. You were there doing what you could to help despite the toll it imposed on you. You show so much empathy. I applaud your strength in the face of the suffering caused by so much evil.

              None of it should even happen to BE known or seen, never mind experienced. :(.

            • Baby

              Oh no sweet Owl.. I am glad that you added that. I was taking for granted that the victim was a given..

              but not all would understand that. I don’t want to give the impression I was a Saint..cause I wasn’t..

              It was just the field that I chose to enter. Mental Health/Social services arena. Thank you.. for the compliment.

            • Ella Raitch

              Baby – it was traumatic for you as well – don’t you dare diminish the impact on you too!

            • Baby

              Thank you Ella.. for all involved yes.. especially the young victims. I shouldn’t have brought it to Tony’s blog.

              Todd asked me a question and memories flooded back.

            • Ella Raitch

              I am currently working for a service with many disadvantaged clients – the social workers I manage say that everyone thy see has had some childhood trauma and the majority involves child sexual abuse.

            • Baby

              It is absolutely amazing. Absolutely. The layperson would be devastated to know what children are subjected to Ella.

              And there is nothing to prepare you for it. You can have all the degrees on the wall..and training. NOTHING prepares you for that horror.

            • Robert Eckert

              Of course you should have brought it here. You won’t find a group of people more understanding of traumas anywhere else.

            • Baby

              Thank you Robert. Those years were very traumatic.

            • Newiga

              Have you ever read books by Torey Hayden?

            • Baby

              Yes I have Weigie.. Long ago. It was so close to what I did I just could not go back into the fray reading them.

            • Newiga

              I first read One Child when I was 10 or 11 years old. Can you imagine?

            • Baby

              Wow..that is one ‘ Heavy ” book..

            • Newiga

              But one of the best I’ve read. In fact, I’ve read One Child/Tiger Child about 3 times..

          • Frodis73

            Stories like this leave me raging at how depraved the human race can be…also totally hopeless as so many kids out there are living in hell.

            • Baby

              Yes.

      • phoebequeen

        Jesus

    • April

      My first and lasting impression of Trump is that he’s a buffoon, a fool.
      He inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his daddy; nothing special about him, except maybe his ability to market himself. He’d have about the same amount of money now as if he’d simply put his inheritance into the stock market back when he inherited it.
      It’s going to be a really tough 4 years for me if he’s elected.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think he steers clear of stocks. Too busy practicing the art of stealing from Peter to pay Paul. The old bankruptcy trick is easy with lawyers. He admits to three times but if you add up his shell companies it’s been six. All too common with real estate investors.

  • Some people gotta work.

    So I go to the bar and laugh at them, and listen to some bluesfunkjazz.

    Getting there and back was half the fun.

    Skeeto Valdez’s Funhouse Northern Lights Lounge Detroit 5/5/16
    If nothing else, listen from 17:00 for “All Meat, And No Potatoes.”
    John Douglas-trumpet
    Phil Hill-keys
    Paul Randolph-bass, vocals
    Skeeto Valdez-drums

    https://soundcloud.com/1subgenius/skeetos-funhouse-northern-lights-050516-second-setwav

    • Baby

      There ya go.. Loved the vocals. xoxo OK off to watch a movie.. xoxo baby

      I had a life once.. Where I would sit at the bar..and just listen to them jammin.. drinking my beer minding my own business..

      • Oh myyyyy.
        I just did a test ride of the GenZe electric scoot.
        (You asked for a review.)
        (The guy rode along on my 1984 Honda Gyro, which he loved. And……they were in matching colors!!!! Neptune Blue. How synchronous is that!!!)
        So totally sweet. High quality. I would call it the Tesla of electric scooters (even though there’s not many out there).
        Touch screen, cloud-based diagnostics, information, GPS, etc.
        Solid as a rock, one piece aluminum frame.
        Fit and finish flawless. Made in Michigan (can you believe it?)!!!!!
        And, virtually no maintenance, or even operating costs (plug in anywhere to recharge. No oil, or oil changes, air filters, oil filters, spark plugs, stopping at filthy , smelly gas stations.)

        So, after the initial purchase price (totally competitive with any conventional top brand internal combustion equivalent), the ride is virtually free.

        Smooth acceleration, smooth ride due to large front wheel, and dual shocks in back, powerful braking (discs front and rear).

        Sure, like with Tesla’s, even , there’s “range” anxiety, but there needn’t be.
        93.7% (a totally made-up number) of scooterists (definitely me) don’t go more than 30 miles in a day, or trip. And again, you “refresh” the battery while you shop, or eat (or drink). Find a plug, and the “fuel” is “on the house”.
        And, he he he, they ARE going to loan me one for promotional purposes.
        I’m totally geeked. I can’t afford a Tesla, but this is the next best thing, to me.
        Once again, this is not to suggest it to you, as you want to move up, just for shits and giggles, and because you asked.

        • Baby

          Alright now..THAT sounds so cool Shorp. Really..

          They are going to Loan you one for Promotional Purposes.. GET OUT OF FUCKIN TOWN.. No way.. If you put it on line somehow..

          and do a review ( This is when I wished I had a GoPro.. ) let me know and I will comment.

          That is really funny that you guys had the same color of bike. I bet he was geeked to ride your ’84 too.

          Thanks Shorp.. How fun. Did you ride it around the neighborhoods or where? Did you feel comfortable going that speed on Major streets?

          What I’m thinking ..I have to do my homework and find out what speed I can legally drive off Island on main roads.. If I would be able to go 40 then I will be happy to keep my scooter.

          I have know desire to go on Expressways.. Thanks.. baby

          • I avoid expressways even on my Majesty which does 110. I hate driving on them in a car now that no one is paying any attention to their driving. You certainly wouldn’t and can’t legally go on them on a 50cc.
            “Main roads”? Don’t know what you mean by that, but on a 30mph bike, and on the ones you can legally be on, I still use best judgement regarding traffic etc. Usually I’m not on anything with a speed limit over 40.
            You said your scooter can do 40, so its a matter of how strictly they are going to enforce the legal limit on your scoot.
            Just because it does 40 doesn’t mean its legal. And, as I said before, usually the laws define a “moped” as under 50cc and/or 30mph and under. Michigan now says 110cc or under 30mph. But who the hell wants a 110cc scoot that only does 30? Makes no sense.
            So the real limit is a bike which is capable of going over 30mph is classified as a motorcycle.
            So, if Yamaha, or Honda is selling scoots that can go over 30 they need plates, insurance and you need a motorcycle endorsement.
            A friend had a Honda Metropolitan which did 40 (out the door of the dealership), but had it tagged as a moped. A cop pulled up to us at a light, and had observed us doing 40 (within the speed limit, but beyond the limit of a “moped”). He gave my buddy a word of caution, which was nice, because he could have written him up for no motorcycle endorsement, no insurance, no plate, all of which would have cost him hundreds in fines. Could have made him park it right there.

            Yeah, we just rode around Royal Oak, all roads 30 and under.
            Yeah I’ll do a youtube, which will include some helmet camming, but that doesn’t really show the bike in action, so I’ll have to have some other footage of it for that.
            I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get one. I need something for short trips around the towns that is a bit more sturdy and dependable than my 32 year old Gyro.
            Oh yeah, he sent me the pic he took.
            My Gyro is in the foreground, and is much tinier than it looks there.
            Under my right hand you can see the bottom of the rather large stow area on the GenZe, And you could pile stuff in there to the limits of a bungee net.
            I use my vehicles for practical purposes, shopping, etc., so that’s a thing.
            When my buddy, who has a motorcycle, says “Hey, let’s go for a ride.”, I say, “I don’t ‘go for rides’. I go places for a reason.”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05b904d5242ae18f4edad377d2e8d9aaba64d746f0145f66a439b69942e398c9.jpg

            • Baby

              Oh look at that handsome guy! I love that carrier on your bike..and the GenZe does have a big stow area.. I still can’t get over the colors matching. That is hilarious.

              When I said main roads I meant.. let me think of the area..
              OK.. Big Beaver Road..( stupidest name in world.) or say.. Maple Road..

              In Florida .. well at least my county I can go 40 without the licence and insurance. That is a really good lookin GenZe. Glad to hear that you probably will buy it. How fun!

              Would you keep your Gyro?

              When you go back and forth shopping..do you lock it up?
              I wish I had a little shed for mine. I cover it with a really good bike cover..

              and chain it ( special chain my Hubby “Max” got me ) We have so many thieves on the Island ( Drugs) ..sigh.. Maybe we will get a shed eventually.

              I’m excited for you though.. He couldn’t have picked a better guy than you to promote. I love the fact that it is made in Michigan.

              I can see it absolutely in Ann Arbor. With all the traffic..parking problems etc. You could sell them door to door and make a killing.

            • Big Beaver/Maple are mostly 40-45mph tops in spots. If you can do 40, its doable, but again, using judgement about traffic.
              I usually park where I can keep an eye on it.
              But instead of a chain, when I do leave it, I use one of these. Its a lock and alarm. Nothing is 100%.
              http://www.amazon.com/QQ-Tech-Creative-Universal-Motorcycle-Security/dp/B00EB3LUCY/ref=pd_sim_60_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ZXkR6qjPL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1Y7EACJBD7RCCJK3NVKY
              Yes I keep Gyros.

  • Baby

    Dale A. | May 5, 2016 at 6:27 pm | Reply

    “Notwithstanding the service Ortega has provided, I was amazed at how people speak to each other when I first started reading that blog. The most vile, and most verbally abusive are some of the more active and charismatic never-ins.”
    ………………………………………………….

    Really? I thought that was our strongest skills. It takes a lot of wit and intelligence to deliver such Snark.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Are you moonlighting over at Marty’s blog again Baby? Give him my love and thank him for listing three of my comments, which I consider a violation of my franking privilege. That’s right Mark I can mail without postage,

      • Baby

        Only lurking..hahaha and shaking my head.. Good Gawd.. Lots of Hubs fans still. Disappointed in Alonzo ..

        If I read Budha over there one more time I will jump off their bridge..

        Many of us make great points. .. ( Not me) but Sunny, Chee, Robert E., Derek etc.
        I’m sure there are more, but just skimmed this time..

        • Juicer77

          Not much useful discussion going on over there, but I do think Alonzo makes a valid point when he says to beware of blindly believing anyone to the point of willful ignorance. The following exchange shows how open and honest Rathbun is willing to be…
          singanddanceall | May 4, 2016 at 9:46 pm | Reply
          I disagree. He’s just reporting what he knows.
          Marty and Monique can respond to his post directly. Let them answer, not you. Both Marty and Monique can set the record straight.
          What say you Marty and Monique? Put it in plain english without philosophy, metaphysics, reading between the lines, creating a mystery, etc. ?

          Mark C. Rathbun | May 4, 2016 at 9:53 pm | Reply
          Your disagreement is disproven by Ortega’s own published words. So, I guess what I say is it might behoove you to check your prejudices for a spell and open your eyes.

          • Baby

            Yes I read that. sigh

          • I was surprised to find someone claiming to be Media_Lush in among those comments, telling everyone how unfair their ejection from this place was.

            Still, we’re tlaing aobout 200-odd comments, inflated by the fact that Marty replies to a lot of them in the same uninformative style as he did in the comment you quote. It’s a tiny, impotent, online mutual admiration society.

      • Juicer77

        What are you, a former First Lady? πŸ˜‰

      • Scream Nevermore

        It is funny that he’s saying that this place is now Tony’s cult – I got that feeling about his site, all those posters rushing to criticise this place and scrambling for a word from Marty, who, despite apparently wanting no more attention, still hasn’t shut the site down.

        • Once again, that tactic is right out of the Hubbard playbook – whatever they say about you, turn it back upon them – don’t engage, just attack.

          That post has been up for while now, it’s gathered less than 300 comments (a figure substantially inflated by the fact that Marty has replied to many of them) and yielded nothing anybody didn’t already know.

          • Robert Eckert

            It’s had a lot more comments. It’s just that Marty censors most. I found out accidentally that if you click the box to be notified by e-mail of further comments (which I did when I figured Marty was done with me and would never let my last post through or respond to it, but I wanted to know if otherwise), you also get to see the comments that Marty leaves in Moderation Purgatory.

            • Most. That’s interesting. Considering the subject of the post, the majority of the contributions stuck in moderation probably came from here, and Marty carefully selected a few to attack. That means that it’s pointless to engage with him.

              He should have a disclaimer ‘You do not have to think for yourself, but if you do your comment will only be published if it can be used against you”.

              This would explain why the commenting there is such a mutual admiration society – people who ask awkward questions or don’t ‘fit in’ don’t get past the first hurdle. Only sychophants are admitted into the inner circle . that’s so much like Miscavige.

              Marty has tried (and failed) to dress his ‘reformed Scientology ‘ up in new clothes, but it’s still Scientology, and he still behaves like the Witchfinder General (or whatever his title was when he was a CofS big cheese).

              Do you get to see the text of the comments, or just the number? It would be hilarious to publish all the comments elsewhere.

            • Robert Eckert

              I’m saving them.

            • Dice βœ“

              shhh! πŸ™‚

      • I had to look that up. Interesting.

    • Juicer77

      LOL

    • I just posted in answer to Dale. However, I had a technical hiccup doing it so it may not get through. I thought I may as well post it here, however I felt the need to edit a little to make it more readable for Bunker visitors.

      I’ve glanced through the comments made over there and there is not very much I can add. However I am reminded of the “enturbulation.org”-days from 2008 to maybe 2011. That was the predecessor to the current whyweprotest.net, and it was an example of the Anonymous-culture.

      Let me be clear that I don’t speak for all of Anonymous. I can only give my own opinion.

      Anonymous has a saying that it isn’t nice. Well, that’s true. In the beginning of the Anonymous protests a lot of channers posted on enturbulation.org. (I do not consider myself to be a channer.) Once or twice every month there would be a new poster over there who said they were an ex-scientologist. Almost every time these people were advised to go to other boards such as ESMB as the mood towards exes over there was far more friendly. Some of them didn’t take that advice and, well, that didn’t always end well. This was/is partly because channers were VERY suspicious of these people, thinking (and saying) they might be OSA. And it is partly because of the culture in Anonymous where it is perfectly normal to troll one another and what not. I started posting there in 2008 and also got trolled. Let’s just say it took me a little time to get used to that. πŸ™‚

      Most of the channers have moved on after one or two years protesting COS. WWP now is not the same as enturbulation.org then. A board like ESMB has also changed: they are now not as patient with pro-scientology opinions as they were back then. However also other boards pro-scientology (outside of the COS) have started. Terril Park’s is one example, and there are more.

      Tony Ortega started his blog a few years ago, and I guess most of the people posting here are never-ins, vehemently against COS fraud and abuse. It may well be that a small part of the anon culture has found its place here.

      I think this diversity in boards and blogs is a good thing. Anyone of us can choose the board or blog community that suits best. Nothing wrong with that.

    • Anyone who thinks that some people here express themselves in a vile and verbally abuse way has lived a very sheltered life – or is used to a pointless forum where nobody ever really disagrees.

      Come to think of it, there’s no wordplay or jokes at Marty’s, either. Everyone is so serious about playing with meaningless jargon in order to appear clever to each other.

      • Dice βœ“

        He is just jealous because we have 80% females here πŸ™‚

        • Snuzey

          …and that 90% of the 80% have a lickle crush on him. πŸ˜‰

          • Dice βœ“

            Yeps! what was it Marty called those? he he

            • Snuzey

              His dreams?! πŸ˜‰

      • Baby

        I agree.. Clever as well as ” Enlightened ” Born..

  • Baby

    Night good people. I wouldn’t want to be on a Blog with anyone else.. Love baby

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Kisses. Sleep well.

      • Baby

        I’m watching taped shit on TV now.. but I am yawning..so might just close my eyes..I got a good doggie to snuggle with

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I was going to try and crawl in but it seems two of my Greyhound’s are going to make me squeeze in the middle. One is 14 and I just can’t bear to move her.

          • Baby

            Awwwwwww.. My Lulu is I keep forgetting, but I think 14 now.. She loves to be the curmudgeon among the younger ones.. She is quite the queen. and they listen to her.

            • seriouslyWTF

              Ha ha. Made me think of my 135lbs wolf. Sweetest boy ever except to the other four dogs. He never hurt them and didn’t bother with them too much, but one time we came home and he had them corralled into the kitchen and he was lying down in front of the door blocking their exit. They were somewhat terrified and he was very proud of his accomplishment. I miss that big old goofball.

            • Baby

              Awww that is such a cute story WTF.. Yep that is the problem with having pets.. they don’t live as long as we do ;’ /

  • Todd Tomorrow

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Global warming invented by China.”Blacks are lazy” sounds more like
    LRH>

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyug4_Kabg

  • Lady Squash

    Thank you Chris for another excellent video.

  • Juicer77

    Finished Ruthless last night. I won’t go over specific passages for discussion here until most of us have read it. Overall it was a very interesting read and well worth the reading time, which is pretty quick. Ron Sr. comes across as genuine and befuddled as he tries to reconcile the loveable kid he once knew with the ruthless tyrant in power now. The two distinct narrative voices read like Dan Koon interrupting Ron’s story with Scientology apologetics. It makes Ron sound like he’s contradicting himself (which he does occasionally). If you pay careful attention, you can easily see where Dan’s narrative shows through. Ron does his own bowing to Hubbard, of course. But that dichotomy is part of the interest of the book, at least to me. Others may find it distinctly annoying.
    There are passages where an outsider (especially a never-in like me) is amazed by the things Ron *still* considers normal after so many years in the Co$. Part of the lasting legacy of Hubbardthink.

    Chris and Tony are probably right when they say this book will reach insiders like no other. But I still wonder how many of those who knew Ron well have blown since he left. It’s been 4 years, and his sudden disappearance probably made many of them consider doing the same around that time. Still, there are probably several Old Faithfuls that this book will reach in a shocking (or validating!) way.
    Looking forward to a deeper discussion of the book when more of us have read it.

    • Juicer77

      Forgot to add, a little late for the March 25 anniversary of his escape, but this one’s for you Ron Sr.! (f5)

    • Baby

      Juice.. That is an absolutely fabulous review..Wow.. I am looking forward to reading it. Your description pretty much summed up what I thought I would read. You have missed your calling. You should have been a boo/ movie reviewer. xo baby

  • OOkpik

    It is unfortunate that Chris Shelton will never know how many lives he has improved, or even saved, with his videos and talks. Even from some of the comments here, he has been instrumental in helping to guide a number of people through the difficult transition from the mind-bending bubble world of Scientology to a saner life in the real world. There are so many more that he has undoubtedly helped along the way.

    Hat’s off to you, Chris.

    • Juicer77

      He must have some idea, since he keeps making videos and speaking out. πŸ˜‰

      • This. Also I would guess Chris gets a lot of e-mails and so on thanking him for what he is doing.

    • nicholas_jordan456

      He realizes I assure you

  • Dave Reams

    Of course this is still a rather modest honor, your bronze sphincter glorious entry level type of affair. When Dave becomes a verb then it’s all over. “Geez! The boss really Miscaviged him!” … “Don’t Miscavige that joint!” … “Attention all units, Miscavige in progress in the alley behind Hubbard and Parsons”

    • Dave Reams

      or my favorite Craigslist personal ad: “… BDSM, watersports, Miscaviging”

    • Mymy88

      “Don’t Miscavige that joint.” Lmao.

  • Ella Raitch

    Is tonight the night we find out what Tony is OMFGing about? Why Mike is in LA? Why Bryan is in the US? So many questions…I’m in need of some epic triumphalism to rinse the bad taste of Bunker-bashing out of my mouth.

    • I thought Tony was OMFG’ing about Lisa Marie in Rons book.

    • See post Tony below. Guess you’ll have to wait for some more epic triumphalism. πŸ˜›

      • Ella Raitch

        Yes I saw πŸ™

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    I don’t know if the this photo has been posted but I just discovered in over on ESMB and thought it would be very applicable to this story and a number of other articles by Tony regarding different members of the Miscavige clan.
    It is of the miscavige family and even some of the extended families. It show most it not all of them.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?41895-He-remortgaged-his-house&p=1098523&viewfull=1#post1098523

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/02/14/33BD378B00000578-3569393-image-m-13_1462196509244.jpg