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Scientology disconnection rips apart another family, this time affecting a familiar face

RamanaIyana

[Ramana Dienes-Browning and her daughter, Iyana]

We recently received a message from Ramana Dienes-Browning that, sadly, was all too familiar.

“Well, it finally happened,” she said to us over Facebook. “My mum has disconnected from me so she can continue Scientology.”

And it appears that her mother took this step in part because last October, we finally got to meet Ramana in person when she attended our book tour event in Sydney. But let’s back up a bit and remind newer readers who Ramana is.

In 2011, we wrote about Ramana and her incredible ordeal serving as a young Sea Org executive on Scientology’s private cruise ship, the Freewinds. Initially, we interviewed Ramana because she could corroborate some of the points in another Freewinds saga, the story of Valeska Paris, who was held on the ship to keep her away from her mother — for eleven years, from 1996 to 2007.

But then it turned out that Ramana’s own story was just as startling as Valeska’s. She had been lured to the ship by Sea Org recruiters that talked her out of her dream of becoming a dancer. She married very young to another crew member. And then she was humiliated by her superior officers once her young husband admitted in an interrogation session that he’d been masturbating. From our 2011 Village Voice story…

“When you’re stats are down, nothing is private. The subject of sexual aberrations is very fascinating to Scientology auditors, when you’re not producing as much as you’re supposed to be. So when you get investigated you get put on the meter and any kind of sexual activity will be brought up.”

Ramana says when she was brought into the room with half a dozen Sea Org members, the first thing said to her was by her superior, the Commanding Officer of the CMO, a woman named Pilar:

“She said, ‘You little fucking bitch.’ She proceeded to tell me that he was found to be masturbating, and that he was touching me but I wasn’t touching him back, and that I was forcing him to masturbate because I wasn’t doing it for him. That I was evil, and how could I do that to him.”

Her husband was also in the room, she says. “He was just numb. We didn’t talk about it between ourselves. Pilar assigned me to Lower Conditions, and she sent me on my way. I can’t remember if I was sent to the engine room, but I think I was.”

Ramana believes that she was assigned the ethical condition of “Treason,” which is below “Enemy” but above “Confusion” on Hubbard’s scale.

Ramana went on to tell us about the harrowing conditions working in the bowels of the Freewinds engine room, where Sea Org members were sent to be punished with arduous and dangerous work. And she also described her multiple escape attempts to get away from the ship.

When she finally did get out, she reunited with her father, who had never been a Scientologist and was happy to get her back, and with her mother, who was still in the church.

At the time, we asked her how her mother reacted when Ramana told her about what she’d been through. Again, from our Voice story…

“About a year ago I told her everything that had happened in the Sea Org. She was in shock, and the next day we met up again and she burst into tears. She was absolutely distraught. And what hurts me the most at the moment is that even though she’s so distraught, she’s absolutely committed to the organization. She’s convinced I was mistreated because someone misapplied the technology, not that the fundamental policies that run Scientology are creating these actions.”

We have kept in touch with Ramana since we wrote that story, and last October, she came to our appearance at the Giant Dwarf Theater. We got to hang out with her backstage before the show with jounalists Steve Cannane and Bryan Seymour.

“Mum found out that I had been to the talk you gave in Sydney, and it triggered a final showdown of sorts,” she tells us.

Ramana, 36, lives in the Blue Mountains outside Sydney with her daughter, Iyana, who is 11. Her father lives in a town not far away.

“Mum came to visit around June 2015. She didn’t bring up Scientology at first, but she had made me promise I wouldn’t interact with the media or my ex-Scientology Facebook friends while she was in Australia. I thought for the sake of the family I could make this commitment, but after two months my PTSD was so badly triggered I could barely get out of bed and had to take time off university to recover.” (Her mother had been splitting her time between Clearwater, Florida and Nova Scotia, before her return to Australia.)

Then, she says, her mother found out about the talk at the Giant Dwarf, and she confronted Ramana about it.

“During this talk it basically came out that I had officially been declared a suppressive person by the church, and that in order for mum to stay in contact with me and also do Scientology services I would have to contact the Continental Justice Chief and resolve my declare. That means giving over control completely to the church again, ‘making up the damage,’ ‘admitting I was wrong,’ and doing ethics conditions. Mum said that until I do that she is ‘withdrawing.’ Not disconnecting, but ‘withdrawing.’ I can’t believe how much control this organization has over her,” Ramana says. “She feels Scientology will not only save her but all of us. It is a heartbreaking reality to swallow but she truly believes she is doing the right thing.”

Although her mother has been in Scientology for more than 30 years, she has never reached Clear, Ramana says. Now, her mother is under pressure to disconnect from her own daughter in order to continue progress up Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom.”

“She’s getting some auditing. She is 72,” Ramana says.

Ramana tells us her mother’s decision is “heartbreaking” to her, but also, in a counterintuitive way, something of a relief — she knows her mother has been working up to this statement for a long time. But she’s doing her best to deal with the “emotional blackmail” her mother hit her with in their final conversation.

“This cut pretty deep,” she says.

Ramana, for her part, continues to develop her filmmaking career. She directed a short art-film with allusions to her experiences in Scientology which appeared in local festivals. And it’s also being taught at a local high school.

“I just went in and had a chat with the students and told them my story. It feels good to be educating young people,” she says.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 15, 2016 at 07:30

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  • Sunny

    I hate Scientology. Especially because of the treatment of children and family.
    Disgusting.

    • Roger Yost

      I feel this way almost every time I think or hear of Scientology!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I’m with you on that one, Sunny!!!

  • Rasha

    The Scientology Message: “We have your family member(s). Just do as we say, and at our prices, and we won’t have to punish anyone. That is all.”

    • joan nieman

      It really is deplorable. It is a crime, it is theft, it is coveting and it is evil. Disconnection is one of the many atrocities of the cherch. The disgusting reality of it all is, they are tax exempt.

  • Sejanus

    Proof how even at our later years when we are supposed to wise with experence…
    we can still be duped

    Ramana you are a gutsy and lovely gal.
    Stay the course and be true to who you are.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    A complete inability to face the real world is at the heart of this toxic policy.
    My heart goes to you, Ramana.
    Phil and Willie, your billboard campaign is so so necessary.

    Yesterday Sherb and Sarah started into tongue twisters.
    Here are a few:

    Amiable Atack astutely axed an anxious asshole’s affirmations and asinine “axioms.”

    Bodhi, banjaxed blind bilious bemused bollox, blithely berated by bitchy blonde.

    Canny Cook cleverly clobbered callous criminal COB’s careless clueless court case.

    Cruise, carelessly casting con-fetti, clumsily claims collapsing cult.

    Duped dumb dogged Davis desperately divulged dangerously defamatory data.

    Duggan dumped duo – dim divestment?

    Jenna, jonesing for jism, jesting and joking in the john, jackal-like, jacked a Djibouti jennet juicily.

    Quentin quietly quit questing quixotically.

    Rabid rotund ratlike rotten-toothed Ronnie reacted wretchedly, running round raging.

    Six sad slippery slender sick $cilons sidled slyly sideways, slipping sloppy Slappy.

    The tiny tuppenny tinpot tyrannical tosser texted two timid tired toadies – “Trap trite top trooper thetan Travolta tonight.”

    • SarahDB

      My hat is off to you Pan! Brilliant!

      • SarahDB

        I especially enjoy Rabid rotund rat like rotten-toothed Ronnie!

        • Susan black

          I tittered at “trap trite top trooper thetan travolta tonight.”

    • Sherbet

      What did Sarah and I start?!

    • aquaclara

      The obstinate and oleaginous occult owner, outmaneuvered and outclassed by one outraged omnipresent Ortega, overlooks obvious omens and omnivorously ousts own.

  • Spike Robinson

    What a tearjerking story! I hope Ramana’s mother realizes what she has lost and come to her senses!!

  • BosonStark

    Maybe since Ramana’s mother is not moved by her own daughter’s story, she might find Leah Remini’s book more compelling. But at 72 and not clear yet, well, that’s getting a little old. Sad story to hear.

  • seriouslyWTF

    Heartbreaking. The abuse was because the tech was not being used properly and 30 years and still not clear at 72 years old? The cognitive dissonance is strong in her mother. Very sad. Hopefully they will not allow her to proceed because of this story and she will wake up.

  • Observer

    ..

    • Bunker Buggy Betsy

      Awesome!

    • Linda Clement

      I love this! Dinky-Doodle as the giant cyst on Old Liver Lips’ forehead! 😂😂😂

    • Baby

      CHILLING Obs.. wow..really, really Powerful.

  • kemist

    I don’t know but if an organization had pushed my daughter into PTSD, “the tech was misapplied” would not cut it as an excuse. Plus she isn’t even clear after 30 years, and it’s supposed to take how much time, according to Hubtard ? “Misapplied tech” again ?

    Looks like no one can apply that much vaunted perfect tech in there. Either the tech is bullshit or it’s sold by an entire organization of incompetents.

    • PickAnotherID

      All of the above, it’s bullshit sold by incompetents.

  • daisy

    Giant dwarf theater. I focus on the absurd to keep from focusing on the other heartbreaking absurd.

    • Ella Raitch

      Good strategy

  • Simi Valley

    IMO the people still in are the ones who’ve been brainwashed the hardest. I consider myself one of the last ones to leave, and that was in 2012. My head is still kind of fucked up though it’s better than it was.

    • Ella Raitch

      Scientology does seem in the throes of getting rid of any but the completely rusted on. And the nightmare goes on for those that got away. Do you have any family still in Simi – can’t recall.

      • Simi Valley

        Nope, thank Xenu.

    • PJK

      Didn’t Chris Shelton leave in 2013?

      • Simi Valley

        Something like that, and he got his shit together much faster than a lot of other people.

        • Linda Clement

          Chris is a miracle in so many ways. I check 3 websites every morning: the Bunker, Mike Rinder, and Chris’ YouTube channel.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Remaining in Scientology these days requires a very strong willingness to ignore entheta They see this as a strength rather than a weakness.

      • BosonStark

        Perhaps they feel that in lieu of any real super powers, or even the ability to attain “clear,” avoiding entheta and disconnecting from family members constitutes special abilities. It’s something they can do, and feel good that they can do it.

        • gtsix

          That is an utterly depressing thought.

      • Simi Valley

        Some of the execs in Scn orgs as well as some whales and people “high on the bridge” are fully aware of the truth but do not leave because the colossal con is too much for them to admit, in terms of years wasted and thousands of dollars poured down the drain.

        • Always Amazed

          I have often wondered if that was the case, thanks for your insight to confirm.

    • madge filpot

      I have been out since 1982 and I am STILL unraveling crap. The fact that PTSD apparently is a valid condition for many of us never even entered my mind until very recently.

      • PickAnotherID

        Believe it or not, $cientology claims to be able to heal PTSD with “touch assists”. It’s a few years old, but this page http://nomoreliesscn.blogspot.com/2013/03/scientology-and-ptsd.html puts the lie to that claim.

        • madge filpot

          Well if those touch assists can reach inside the mind and soul..more power to ’em. Touch Assists never held much water for me..never worked on me at all. Probably because deep down I’m an SP who can’t get Case Gain. lolol

          • Dice

            We are all SP’s 🙂

            • madge filpot

              We is. :0)

            • Linda Clement

              Special People, every single one of you who escaped. You’re the reason I’m here.

            • Dice

              Well thank you 🙂 On my account, I just walked away but had to escape the Mental prison, and i am free… Ohhh yeah!!

            • Peter

              Wear the badge with pride!

        • beauty for ashes

          OMG I WANT TO PUNCH THEM IN THE FACES!!! Screw you scientology and your touch assists and bogus faith healing BS.!

      • LittleRedSongbird

        PTSD is not just for soldiers. Your experience was traumatic. You very well could have PTSD. I wish the government would have intervened more on behalf of ex-members because there are so many people that are owed restitution.

      • beauty for ashes

        I was just reading about CPTSD, that is trauma over a prolonged period. It isn’t accepted into the DSM-V yet. It seems to fit better for many cases of religious or cult abuse better than PTSD.

    • BosonStark

      Simi, can I ask you, did you feel that staying in until 2012, when so many others were leaving, did you feel that was a reason to stay in even more? Was there a kind of fear there, that if you didn’t stay in, the planet might not ever be clear?

      • Simi Valley

        As I’ve said before, I wanted to look on the internet and read about $ickentology as early as 2002 or so. But every time I tried, I got so physically ill and terrified, that I backed off and didn’t do it. I was having health problems and feared that it might kill me to really look. Sad, huh!

        • Ella Raitch

          Actually, it just underscores how brave you were to continue to doubt, and finally look. You overcame some pretty major mind-fuckery.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Ella is absolutely right.

          • Simi Valley

            The only reason I read Debbie Cook’s email is that I trusted her opinion; she was “still in good standing” with the cherch at that time. Otherwise I wouldn’t have read it, like many of my ex-friends who are still in.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I read it as a lowly member who had been gone for long time, but came back. She impressed me as a higher up saying the things I saw too in that short time. I’m so thankful for it and proud that I let it open the door to freedom and truth. Be proud dear one as you are among the special people. Since I had no real friends to disconnect from – you are very strong.

            • Baby

              I get chills thinking that you could have stayed in Reverend Mama.. Jeeze.. YOu would have heard me scream the loudest following you to the Org..

              ” YOU GET YOUR FOOKIN ASS OVER HERE.. AND I MEAN NOW..! “

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Dang, someone’s watching over me. Maybe I heard you call, Babu!
              I would never had such good friends, had I not left. Heck, I had NO friends there, which was one of the things I was looking for when returned. Thank you, and love you all.

            • Baby

              xo

          • Simi Valley

            It was major indeed. Even though the cherch made me so miserable, I still COULDN’T SEE that IT was the problem!

            • Ella Raitch

              And it’s so SCREAMINGLY obvious. I had only been reading at the Village Voice a few months when Debbie Cook’s email arrived. Uncanny, that while I was reading about it, there were major seals in your brain unpopping. Days like this – with another disconnection story – the only thing that make it bearable is those of you here who have made the break. Sincerely.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          I really understand your physical reactions. Although not as dramatic as yours, when I first clicked on a ‘squirrel’ website, I may have well had a water squirt pistol in my arm pits. I had never ever before in my life experience the squirting from there…
          When you think of it, the cherch of scientology really is a terror inducing organization,both domestically and internationally and really needs to be identified as such by the department of Homeland Security.

          • Linda Clement

            You all are the Department of Heroic SPs, and you have brought $cientology to its knees. The cherch is terrified of you, and rightly so.

        • Dice

          Ha! you should have seen me read the OT materials in 1996, i was reading with one eye and just once 🙂 That scared the shit out of me for years lol

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      You made me laugh my socks off when we met 18 months ago. The bastards haven’t taken your wickedly dry New York sense of humour 🙂

      • Simi Valley

        That was just because it took me like 15 minutes to squeeze my fat ass out of the back seat of the taxi.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I went “SP” 2004, left the Sea Org 2003, still have nightmares, two tonight.

      • April Moonlight

        hang in there chuck. thanks for all the positive energy you put out in the forums, it’s helpful. 🙂

      • aquaclara

        That’s really tough to handle. I hope it gets better soon, Chuck. And I’m echoing what April said since it was perfect.

      • Linda Clement

        (❤)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I worry about how hard it will be for my 40-year-in family member if (when?) he decides to leave, how hard it will be. But I can’t give up trying, either.

      • Baby

        NEVER.. and we are right behind you Free..

      • Allie

        We have hope with you Free. Stay strong!

    • Orglodyte

      No matter how hard they are brainwashed, no matter how “rusted on” as Ella Raitch says below, many will continue to wake up. Ever seen a Necker Cube? Stare at it for a minute or two, and suddenly it reverses direction. The reversal awaits for many still in.

  • PickAnotherID

    How appropriate today is ‘Dumbstruck Day’. http://holidayinsights.com/moreholidays/March/dumbstruckday.htm

    I shouldn’t be, after hearing so many of these stories, but it gets me every time.

    Hoping that one day Ramana’s mother, and Iyana’s grandmother, will realize how much she is missing by putting $camatology before her own family.

  • JOE BLOW

    Will the IRS please wake the fuck up.

  • Laura Burton

    WOW. The CO$ really are just THE WORST.

  • Chee Chalker

    I think March should be ‘Scientology Re-Connection Month’.
    The billboard reveal could be the kick off
    David Miscavige…. Beware the Ides of March…

    • PickAnotherID

      How ’bout we change that to, ‘Beware the Ire of March’. These “disconnection” stories really spike my blood pressure.

  • Laura Burton

    I’m wondering now if there are more outspoken opponents of $cientology, than actual $cientologists.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Most likely there are. One indication of that is found by reading through the comments on mainstream Media articles about scientology. I would say the pro scientology comments are dwarfed by the much more prevalent critical comments

    • Scientology’s income was always based on a high turnover of members. They constantly drew in ‘fresh meat (with money) to replace disaffected &/or broke members. This maximises income and enables them to discard anyone they have worn out.

      Disconnection, and all the other repressive practices, are there because there have almost always been more ex-Scientologists than practicing Scientolgists at any given time.

      This didn’t matter when the mass media was all there was, and the CofS could intimiate it with legal threats. Nobody knew what was going on, and they could still recruit.

      Today, the Internet has enabled all those exes (who vastly outnumber Scientologists) to communicate and organise. They have such a large (and growing) pool of recruits to draw from that there there must be a lot of ’em. Then there the ‘never-ins’. Some, like me, who have watched the CofS for many years, others who were drawn to opposition through Anonymous.

      There may not be more opponents than Scientologists – but they are far more organised and effective. It’s only Scientology’s money that is holding it up, now.

  • Simi Valley

    Part of the problem with disconnection is that culties buy into Hubtard’s BS that families don’t exist except as meat bodies, that as spirits or “thetans,” one thetan “can’t be the mother of another thetan.” They buy into this shit and that is why they feel they can throw away a familial connection like it was garbage.

  • BosonStark

    The SP policy in Scientology was written by Hubbard primarily to protect the cash flow. The idea that people follow the ravings and rules of this lunatic and the organization he created, and are willing to break off with their own children, without understanding Hubbard’s life or the process he went through in creating Scientology, well, that’s outrageous.

    For Xenu’s sake, he was a science fiction writer, and there is not one piece of film or documentation that he had a single super power, or special ability, except as a flimflam man. Yet, the amount of documentation on Hubbard is what makes him different from believing in Jesus, for example.

    Scientology claims it is what you see for yourself, but then they don’t allow you to see things, including facts about Hubbard, or even seeing your own family members, in attempt to understand what is true for them.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    I just noticed how excellent the 2011 Village Voice article Tony did on Ramana is.

    Particularly this excellent example of undue pressure to sign a Sea Org contract when she was 15:

    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-cruise-ship-as-hellhole-the-ramana-dienes-browning-story-6711621

    “Eventually, under intense pressure, she made a concession. She told them that after her professional dancing career was over, at 30 to 35 years of age, she might be ready to join the Sea Org. They seemed happy with that offer, she says, and asked her to go ahead and sign a contract now, even though she might not be ready to join their ranks for 20 years.

    ” “They pressured me to sign a contract. I finally said OK because I wanted to get rid of them.” ”

    What an excellent clearcut example.

    • Sunny

      Chuck this reminded me of something.
      The statistic for the recruiter was people routed into the Sea Org. They get one point per person who gets routed in. BUT, if they get someone to sign a Sea Org contract, it counts as .25 on the stat, even if the person never routes in.
      Back in the mid 80’s (when I was a child/cadet), the Sea Org recruiters would come in to the Cadet Org and get the kids to sign Sea Org contracts to get their stats up. It was always last minute end of the week at 1pm on Thursday (week in Scn ends 2pm Thurs).
      I am sure this went on in the 90’s, 2000’s, and onward.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        That is so relevant to this issue of getting future recruits, because signing the contract has bleedover weight in society’s mind, that if you sign promises legally, they are somehow binding and can always hold it over you.

        Scientology is so invasive.

        DId it weigh on your mind, that you had signed the contract and did amongst your children friends place much weight on having signed the contract.

        Were there any holdout children who stubbornly or surreptitiously failed to sign the Sea Org contracts, and what became of those children who were holdouts (if any)?

        Sunny I wish you’d write a long detailed book, you having become a Class 6 at Flag, in those later years, I’d be so interested in your thoughts as you did modern training at Flag in those years you did. (Boring to others I’m sure, and maybe even you to recount or even waste the time to go over those details.)

        Is your real mom still aboard Sunny? I remember she was once in Exec Strata, and during those years I believe she shuttled back and forth to PAC to do parent time on weekends didn’t she?

        Sunny I really appreciate hearing all that you write, thankyou so much.

        • Sunny

          Yes my mom is still in the Sea Org and disconnected from the entire family (since 2004). Last Nov she celebrated 40 years in the Sea Org.
          She was in Exec Strata in 1981/82 I think. I was pretty young. She did try to visit us sometimes, but not every week. By that time I was already 9 and the damage was already done. The connection between mother and daughter was completely broken. She was like another Sea Org member to me, not a mom.
          There were kids who would refuse to sign contracts, yes. But not many. Most just gave in and signed. I think those who did not would be sent to ethics and assigned lower conditions.
          Yes, that Flag stuff is another story entirely. Briefly, I did do the GAT line-up. The RTC Reps when I was there were Ann Rathbun and Alon Barrom. While there I got 6 or 7 RTC video passes on the courses I was training on. I finished every single course under checksheet time, including the Internships (I did Class IV, V and VI Internships at Flag). There is more to it, but about it for now… Someday…..

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Thanks so much, Sunny, you have excellent memory, and if there is time, please do write, I find your stories compelling since you did “make it” tech wise, to C/S, and Class 6 training is historically a very big accomplishment, it is no light matter and getting to mere Class 9 and skipping Class 6 and Class 7 and Class 8 always seemed a watering down of the tech hierarchy, and that tech compromising that LRH allowed is relevant to the point of Hubbard just wrote and lectured too damned much, that his members were tripping over the length of his body of “tech” to even absorb it all and become the “terminals” in the tech lineup his adminstrative policies required. Hubbard’s house of Scientology was burdened by Hubbard’s own prolificness in house, as well it’s been a major barrier to outsiders to get to even Class 6 level suffering through that much of Hubbard’s tech history writings/lectures.

            You did Class 6. I’d be interested in you and Karen De La Carriere someday comparing notes on your Flag internship histories. Karen’s trek to Class 12 is unfathomably more difficult than even your rising to Class 6.

            • Sunny

              Yes, it is a common misconception that someone who is Class IX has trained on more than a Class VI. Class VI is a WAY longer line up than Class IX.
              The set-up is goofy that way.

            • Linda Clement

              I think of Karen as the Wonder Woman of Ex-$cientology. She must be made of titanium steel.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Karen is made of lionesses 🙂

            • beauty for ashes

              Queen of the Lionesses even!

            • OOkpik

              With a tender heart!

            • Linda Clement

              ⬆⬆⬆

      • Simi Valley

        And recruiters who didn’t produce arrivals had the living shit sec checked out of them.

      • Destroying people and families by the numbers.

        Someone like Mark Twain’s messenger from the War Prayer should explain to them exactly what those stats really mean. Eh, but would they, could they listen?

        It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

      • salin

        Sunny, reading this makes me gag. What a horrible game the Scieno stats.

      • aquaclara

        when you were five. Five. FIVE.

        *swearing and in tears at the same time*

    • PickAnotherID

      I hope Laura D.’s lawyers are aware of this prime example of ‘undue influence’ on a minor.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Me too.

        Tony’s years of coverage are thus priceless all time material, for a LONG time into the future!

        • joan nieman

          Oh yes, you are so right there chuck. Tony has kept the facts about scientolgy going for a long time. He gets his material from source and diligently reports facts. Everything reported here in the Bunker is authentic. The organization is crude and dangerous. Family disconnection and the abuse of children under the guise of a religion being the most evil. The robbing of money and estates is another crime. Mind control and it’s inevitable damage is another. I am a never-in but I have so much compassion for the people who were conned. People who only thought they were helping the universe. I hold my perpetual candle to all of them.

    • Linda Clement

      Is there a way to read Tony’s Scientology articles in order, starting with the first? I’d like to have a better understanding of the cherch in relatively recent history and Tony is an incomparable source of reliable information. I’ve been reading his archives, but on a sort of hit and miss basis. I tried backing up page by page but my wrist dissolved.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It would be great if someone would copy and paste each link into chapters that correspond to his tabs and make it into a book with these as chapter headings!

      • aquaclara

        Are you catching up on the Village Voice articles? There’s a wealth of reading in there…

      • UhLasare

        I started reading his archives last week, starting with his first Bunker article. It’s here:

        http://tonyortega.org/2012/09/28/talking-about-the-the-master-on-public-radio/

        I decided not to go further back (Village Voice years).

      • Franklin Adams

        Definitely read the Village Voice articles. After I figured out what the Bunker was all about, I started reading damned near all of them. There’s some very good stuff in there, I’m very interested in the CST, and Tony has about the best article ever written about them over at the voice.

        Now I do have a suggestion, if you do decide to read all of the Voice articles, could you please archive them using archive.is or something like that? I’ve been meaning to do it myself, but if the Voice were to delete their older webpages for whatever reason, we’d lose a huge amount of important information.

        • Linda Clement

          Agreed. I’m reading the VV articles, just trying to find the first one. I’m interested in the evolution of Tony’s perspective on $cientology. He’s an essential part of the history of the Cherch, one of the most significant causes of its downfall and, from what you all and other Exes have said, one of the most useful resources for those trying to find the truth behind their own brainwashing.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    It truly doesn’t matter how prepared you are for the inevitable, it must hurt so badly when your parent officially disconnects from you. I’m sending so much love and support to Ramana this morning. Thank you for being brave and for choosing to speak out at such great cost. You’re a remarkable woman, like so many of the Ex Women.

    • seriouslyWTF

      I think about the little lady sleeping in the room next to me… 96 years old… My mother… My rock.. I can’t even imagine what my life would have been like without her in it. Sadly, time is no longer on our side, but I can safely say that no more than a few days had ever gone by that we didn’t talk, and I truly cannot ever remember being mad at her or arguing with her about anything. The bond between us is so strong I can’t even imagine how this could happen to others. Now I’m sitting here crying my eyes out. Disconnection sucks beyond words.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Aww 🙁 Love to you and your mum, too.

        • seriouslyWTF

          Thank you

          • joan nieman

            That was touching serious, I am glad you have your Mom with you.

      • salin

        Struck me similarly. I lost my rock a few months ago. For a decade + I spent the weekend and each early morning when I headed back to work in the wee hours, she would rise and give me a hug at the door. In the summer of 2014 I took time off from work – to rest. Came to stay with Mom. It soon became apparent that I needed to be here with her, as at 86 and then 87 she was growing frail. Now, it is also clear that I needed her to be with me during that time. We had a few more adventures to take, many conversations to have, meals to share, and time – precious time. As I read Ramana’s story – and the implication of being disconnected from her mother at 72 – I, too weep at the idea of having those last 15 years I shared weekends and then days with my Mom being blocked.

        seriously, you are a gift to your Mom – as she is to you. I am not telling you anything yo don’t know, I think I am just reminding myself of the gift of time that my Mom and I received.

        And your last statement – nails it. “Disconnection sucks beyond words.”

        • seriouslyWTF

          Thanks Salin.. She is a gift to me. I cherish every moment. I remember you posting about your mom. I didn’t comment because I just couldn’t. Too hard. I think you understand.
          My mom and I also shared adventures together.. Drives, musicals, casinos, botanical gardens, shopping, etc.. up until Sept 2011 when, unfortunately, I went through a type of chemo treatment for 6 months ending in Feb 2012 that knocked me on my ass. Then in April 2012, my mom broke her left leg. Two months later she had a stroke that took her right side and her voice. She still understands and tries to talk, but there is a disconnect between her brain and mouth. It is very frustrating for her. So, we have not had a real conversation in four years…. but, even after all this, she has remained the same… happy and content.. She told me one time that she does not dwell on stuff she cannot change. She accepts it, and makes the best out of it. I have tried to use this same philosophy, but i am not even close to being the person she is.

          • salin

            seriously, I understand perfectly.

            This past fall – even through *I* saw signs (and there were lots of medical tests) that she was rebounding – she knew where she was heading… she told me several times that she deeply appreciated that she had lived a good life, and when the time comes she was ready.

            She didn’t say that from fear, or exhaustion, she said it as reassurance to/for me. I really didn’t want to dwell in those conversations and kept them moving on. But now, I appreciate that she had found/claimed a similar spirit and contentedness that your Mom has expressed.

            Like you, I haven’t found that kind of peace, yet. We probably have some more travels to take before we can reach that kind of understanding and grace. But we both have experienced it second hand, and I am guessing that we both of inherited some of it as well.

            Thanks for this conversation beauty. Sending your Mom a virtual hug and in my mind’s eye am giving my Mom one as well.

          • Saint

            You are your own person, and you are lovely as-is. She taught you well and gave you a big, wide, open heart. Those hearts get hurt the most, but they have the most to live, and experience. Hugs to you.

            • seriouslyWTF

              Thank you.

        • Baby

          Jeeze you guys are makin me all teary eyed.. xoxo I know you miss your mama.. piglet..sigh.. and smothering you with kisses !

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        96. What an accomplishment. Wow! I know that you may not have a lot of time left, but am so glad of all the memories that will always be there in your heart.

      • Baby

        You are a beautiful daughter WTF.. You both are so very lucky to have each other in your lives.. Unconditional love and devotion. You are my hero for taking care of your mama..

        • seriouslyWTF

          Thank you Baby. I had to step away for awhile. This shit is killing me.

      • It’s Me!

        Your comment made ME cry! <3

        • seriouslyWTF

          Sorry.

          • It’s Me!

            No, I LOVE the humanity, the emotion, the love. All the things that Scn drilled out of us.

      • Scream Nevermore

        My mama has assured me that when she’s gone, she’ll still be watching
        over me, and when it’s my time, she’ll come fetch me. I’m sure she’s
        planning a big showdown with God on my behalf, bless her. All I can say is he’d better have his Big Boy Pants on that day!

    • Saint

      And there is also when you are not prepared at all. Perhaps if you don’t see it coming, you can see the emotional blackmail. If you are a stubborn bastard like me, you’ll let the anger carry you through the first part. I realized this week it has been closer to two decades since my parents disconnected from me. And I am still sorely pissed off about it. This particular subthread captures so much I have packed in my head about disconnection, and love of family, and never giving up, and PTSD, and WTFness. I can’t even start without howling in anger and frustration and sadness. It’s like a weight, a weight on my throat, and in my gut, and in my bowels. Have you ever been so sick you wanted to vomit and shit until you felt emptied? That is how this topic makes me feel. Hug your mothers, hug your lovers, whisper to yourself that this is not your choice. It is their choice, as understandable or messed up as it is. It is a choice they are giving to you: live our way or live without us. And it is unjust, and insane, and ugly, and not redeemable. At the end of it all, the most they can ask from you is forgiveness. I work on that every day, and I am not anywhere nearer than I was. And they never asked for it.

      • Ella Raitch

        So sorry Saint. An internet hug hardly seems enough but it’s all I can do for you {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}

        • Saint

          I’m thinking of those for whom disconnection is recent and even more raw. Thanks for the internet hug. Sometimes flipping the bird is inadequate.

      • Free to shine

        I think parents/children disconnection is the worst. I’ve had the children/siblings one for the last 8 years or so. When I think I am dealing with it ok, I can read something like this and it all comes back. I really understand how you feel. Internet hugs from me too.

        • Saint

          Internet hugs to you back. I am a parent, and I cannot imagine how I would feel in your situation. I am very sorry that has happened to you.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Saint – I’m speechless after hearing the pain that comes through your post. All I can say is it’s NOT ok and it was NOT designed to be this way… No “child” at any age should ever have to reconcile or forgive something like this from our parents EVER! I wish I had more to offer than a virtual hug! You’re precious and deserve to be reminded of that daily!

        • Saint

          Didn’t mean to drama queen. Disconnection really bothers me, always did. Always always did. As a child, I watched my grandparents fear of it. My relatives, who might have intervened on our behalf, were either worried they would lose contact with our DAD, or thought they would lose what limited contact they had with us. It is evil blackmail, and just the threat of it is enough to do damage. Reading about Ramana’s story, an adult with a child of her own…and then Sid’s ad, an innocuous ad saying “call me,” is bullied into silence. I move on, I live my life, and then stuff like this always reminds me that disconnection, and the damage it does, is always there. It is there as a threat, then it is there as a promise, then it is there as a reality, then, if you are “lucky,” it is there as an experience you live through.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            You weren’t “drama queen” at all! You were passionate and poised – it was just very touching! It is such an evil component and I’m glad you spoke out. That’s what helps people realize this is not normal or ok – it’s in fact evil and very damaging! If the technology “worked” as it’s supposed to, they wouldn’t need to threaten disconnection. If you are “more able, more capable and free” then why would one be restricted in what they read, view or with whom they interact be such a big deal? But it doesn’t, not the way they claim. So instead disconnection is one of many tools of control and limitation. Hearing what you and others have gone through and that it’s NOT normal or healthy may help break the chains for those lurking. I hope some parents or OSA read your experience and hope that it breaks through and touches their hearts that Scio spends so much effort trying to cut people off from acknowledging they have… Love, family, nurturing and feeling… These are basic human needs and Scientology denies these. (You know this far better than I do though!!!) xoxo – hugs from here and don’t ever feel you’re being a drama queen or anything of the like!

  • Narapoid

    “Ethics Officers”. Twisted, and sad. They have been beating on Ramana’s Mum for…. OH FUCK THIS CULT! Not enough coffee, gotta go to work, but this is the true ugliness of the movement here in this family’s experience and I wish I could express this better, but it is way too early.

    • Ella Raitch

      Sounds like some kind of elder abuse at play. But if Ramana’s mother isn’t clear yet, it’s not money they are after. So pointless and sad

      • Dead right. To them, she is not a person but a deployable asset, due to her relationship with an SP. I wonder what the Cofs will do if this disconnection does not have the chilling effect intended.

        Even if her daughter continues to speak out and she is ‘offloaded’, this will intimidate other members and their non-Scientologist friends and relatives.

        I believe the the Chicargo Stockyards used to boast that they could find a use for everythin about a pig except the squeal. Scientology has gone one better, and found a way to exploit human distress. Cold and contemptible.

    • I’m going to be sad and grumpy all morning.

    • PickAnotherID

      How can an organization that has no real ethics, or real officers, have an “Ethics Officer”???

      • Simi Valley

        It’s part of the con.

  • JOE BLOW

    STICKERS

    • Dice

      What’s that? Bumper stickers – new ideas coming out?

      • JOE BLOW

        Not bumper stickers, although they would be perfect.
        I’m suggesting here like little stickers you could put anywhere and everywhere.
        You can print them out on your home computer.

        • Dice

          Yeah! We had an Activism happening going Viral with stickers – soon you could see them all over town. People where just printing them out at home and stick them on everywhere. But it could backfire!

          • PickAnotherID

            Use the ‘easy peel’ Avery labels. They come off without leaving a lot of residue behind.

            • Dice

              you right!

            • JOE BLOW

              Yes that would be perfect. You can also get them really cheap on Ebay and probably Amazon. The stores like Office Depot usually way over charge.

            • Dice

              what happen to the stencil idea?

            • JOE BLOW

              Still circulating in the theta universe. LOL.

            • Dice

              The last one you did was perfect… let’s hope Spike comes back with something on it.

            • Qbird

              Juicer is still working on it, Joe, darlin’.

        • Sherbet

          Guys, I don’t think you should be promoting what might amount to vandalism or littering. I HATE even having a flyer slipped under my windshield wiper. I’d go nuts if someone stuck an Avery label on my car or sprinkled them through the city, on public lampposts or buildings.

          • JOE BLOW

            You know what I hate even more…..not being able to talk to my brother.

            • Sherbet

              I know scientology stinks and is evil. Like Dice said, a viral sticker campaign could backfire.

    • PickAnotherID

      Where does the ‘Call Me’ art work hang out? I just had an idea for some Avery peel & stick labels.

      • The URL on the stickers. 😉

      • JOE BLOW

        I’ve been picking it up from the GoFundMe page. Also if you google “disconnection scientology sign or billboard or something like that and click on IMAGES, you’ll get a ton of them. Some pretty high resolution probably.

    • chukicita

      Anywhere and everywhere! Like inside a book cover, for instance. 😀

      • JOE BLOW

        Great idea! Or slyly stick one on shrink wrapped books while browsing at your local friendly mission or org.

        • chukicita

          Or vendor table at a Comic Con. 😀

          EDIT: I’d been thinking of bookmarks, but I like the sticker idea better.

          • JOE BLOW

            How about a friendly pat on the back of your local body router and stick it on their back, like a KICK ME sign.

            • chukicita

              Don’t Follow Me Anywhere! I’m only here to route your body.

            • UhLasare

              Somebody, please do this!

        • Linda Clement

          Echoing Wise Beard Man: be careful not to break the law. Leaving a bookmark between the pages is one thing, but applying a sticker to someone else’s property is vandalism. Let’s leave criminal behavior to $cientology. They’re so good at it.

          • Sherbet

            I said something similar below, Linda. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking along those lines. Anything negative that happens that echoes the billboard’s message will be “blamed” on Phil and Willie.

        • OOkpik

          As much as I like the idea of stickers, please be aware of potential charges of property damage. We’re dealing with an extremely litigious group here that WILL play dirty if given the opportunity.
          Have fun but please, stay safe.

      • Skabetti

        Print it bigger, put it in my car window and drive around town with it. Remove it when I park (so my tires stay safe from scientologists).

        • PickAnotherID

          Or get some removable magnetic signs made up to put on the side of the car. A place near hear does a pair of basic 12″x18″ signs for about $30. With all the graphics on the ‘Call Me’ sign, it’d probably be around $45 for a pair.

          • JOE BLOW

            And then get a caravan of cars circulating Big Blue the day of the unveiling with them on their cars or anytime or at Flag.

          • It’s Me!

            No minimum magnetic bumper stickers are only 3.99 ea & better in bulk. 🙂

      • Business card format might be better for that.

        • JOE BLOW

          Ask any Scientology receptionist if they wouldn’t mind if they placed this on their counter.

          • Linda Clement

            Now THAT’s a great idea! Leaving business card holders at counters of stores or offices willing to help. That artwork is going to cause $cientology endless trouble!

        • chukicita

          Business cards are so small. I like a bookmark, though.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Dang good idea. Hell if I was within 500 miles of an org I would print up some of these as ‘free stress’ tickets and hand them out to the body routers every. single. day.

      • JOE BLOW

        Or….as the body routers are handing out their Personality Tests, hand one of these to the same person.

        • During the stress test, when the router sticks Dianetics in your hands, “GET IT. READ IT. 20 MILLION HAVE”, a little sleight of hand to slide a card into the book…

          http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/images/d/d4/CueCard2.png

          • ze moo

            How anyone with a reading comprehension of 5th grade or higher can find ‘wisdom’ in Dianetics is beyond me.

          • Qbird

            the script of this scam, right there.

    • Ben Franklin

      For the cause, maybe Phil can look into extending the campaign into t-shirts, mugs, bumper stickers, buttons etc etc. Such items are often mobile and carries the message for years effectively. DM can try to hide, but he can’t hide from a random stranger on the street wearing a T-shirt.

    • StudentOfLife

      Maybe Sid should sell bumper stickers on the StopDisconnectionSite. Or Tony could offer them here for sale with whatever profit margin is decided upon going to keep building momentum towards stopping the horrible abuses of Scientology. Would get a lot of mainstream PR. I’d love to have 50 and hand them out. I would bet the bumper stickers would go viral in certain places, even if on the internet, maybe in a Youtube video
      .
      Maybe have sports teams sell them for fundraising. I would love to have my girls tennis team sell these, lol. I know here in Ojai, population 8,000 and home to many New Age hippie movements (I think most of the remaining original hippies from Haight Ashbury moved to Ojai after Woodstock once the drugs and bikers moved in) , these Call Me stickers would likely be popular in a town where Tom Cruise and the cult have burned bridges and the Narconon Celebrity Center is an embarrassment. They didn’t even announce their grand opening last Sep 15th. I’ve run into a lot of people in this small town who were disgusted with Scientology.

      • StudentOfLife

        I think the bumper stickers wording could be changed for mass appeal to “to my loved one..in scientology or anywhere….”

        Just a thought as I think about how many people today in real life are so overstimulated they don’t even pick up the phone and call their many family members to stay connected. I have to plead the fifth on this one myself sometimes. I just called my mom last week for the first time this year. Shame on me. The story on the billboard is what made me do it and then I made a list of people to reach out to that I had neglected to stay connected with.

    • It’s Me!

      I hadn’t thought of stickers, great idea! I asked Sid about merch last week and he said he’d look into it, if not for sale at least as “gifts” for donations. I think that “outsiders” may want them too, either to help the cause or just as a novelty. 🙂 He Shared this image then that is great for a bumper sticker.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    To Ramana’s mother:

    Someday ma’am, you will regret this decision because someday the decision will no longer be yours to make. You and your daughter will have lost time together that you can’t get back. Life takes those we love when it chooses to and you won’t have any control over that. You’re missing out on something you can never get back and sadly there will be no on there who cares to hear your regret once it happens.

    I hope you’ll rethink this decision.

  • Mrs. V.

    What a horrible situation to be put through. First to be abused by your “church”, the ones who are supposedly going to save you and the world, and have your mom continue with them and cut you off. I hate this organization.

  • LittleRedSongbird

    So Ramana’s mother had her at 36? If her mother is anything like me, Ramana was a long-waited-for baby. Ramana was probably her treasure. And Scientology has convinced her to giver her up. For what? To close the door after the horse has fled? Spite? Why? Disconnection hasn’t stopped the criticism and made it so, SO much worse. Hey, COB, here’s a little bit of tech for ya: avarice is its own punishment. Aesop.

    I’m so sorry Ramana

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      The ‘why’ for the disconnection is fundamentally connected with the key policy written by hubbard called Keeping Scientology Working Issue 1.
      It states therein…and I paraphrase…’.scientology is not some minor game but a deadly serious activity where your eternity and that of every man, woman and child depends what you do here and now in scientology. Don’t let anything get in your way which might prevent our last chance to get out of the trap…blah blah blah…’ for about 9 pages. It is required study and restudy of all the courses, except the very beginning ones in scientology.
      Of course the above is utter nonsense, but it is also the mindset embedded into a scientologist’s thought pattern and results in the ridiculous conclusions and harmful actions such as disconnection.
      Ramana’s mom, is ‘doing what is best for herself, for Ramana and Iyana and for scientology and all other life forms….for ETERNITY…….gahhh enough… I thought and acted that way… for decades…now that is one big f’n trap from which I am so glad to be free.
      Hope Ramana’s mother also gets free. Miracles do happen and they are happening more and more often now.

  • BosonStark

    Can any Scientologist (except for Miscavige or Hubbard) with a declared SP in their family, ever really go up the bridge? Once someone is declared, won’t the rest of the associated family member’s time be spent mostly in security checking or engram removal, in trying to figure out how they could have an SP in their own family? And I don’t mean just a family member who doesn’t do Scientology, but one who has spoken out publicly and/or been declared.

    • LittleRedSongbird

      On Surviving Scientology radio a former sea org member admitted to disconnecting from his father in order to keep moving up the bridge. He was one of the few sea org members that did. Luckily he came to reality and left anyway. But years and years later.

      That’s the worst feature of Scientology. It fools good people into doing terrible things.

      • BosonStark

        Was his father a declared SP though, or speaking out?

        • LittleRedSongbird

          I think so, yes

    • I’m gradually coming around to the idea that victims of disconnecion should not, as a practical matter, knuckle under and shut up, but make more noise in order to make life within Scientology more difficult for the person who disconnected from them.

      Then, there is at least a chance that Scientology’s over-reaction will reveal the contradictions in its claims and the vindictive nature of its behaviour. It you make trouble for for your friend/loved one, you might drive them deeper into the ‘faith’, at least for a while. On the other hand, you will force the CofS to reveal its true colours, which stands a significant chance of causing your target to doubt their allegiance.

      Of course, this depends on individual circumstances… but, generally, the ‘don’t let it go without a fight’ approach is starting to make better sense to me.

  • Jimmy3

    Maybe show them disconnection stories from mothers and children, but remove all mention of Scientology. Show how horrible it is without mentioning entheta at all. Then fill in the gaps.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      That’s a great suggestion!!!

      • Jimmy3

        Every now and then I try to help the humans

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Trying or no, the amount of laughter and smiling you create is a gift… Even if it’s purely by accident (yeah right)!

          • Jimmy3

            You are kind <3

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Anytime! (<— don't tell your ladies on here about that or I'm toast!)

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      The problem with that Jimmy3 is that horrible is a synonym of ‘entheta’. Regular scientologists are not supposed to be touching any of that. And that is one aspect of why disconnection exists, to hide the horrible aspects of life including the horrendous but provable BS that is scientology. Look but don’t see. What a CON_undrum.

  • Richard

    It must be so glaringly evident to Ramana’s mum now, why she hasn’t been able to reach Clear during these last years or more. Or rather, what the Org have told her is the reason during the dozens of interviews and ARC Break free sessions that she has been ordered to do.

    Ramana’s mum is PTS of her daughter.

    That explains everything.

    There are no barriers now for her to go Clear and right up the Bridge to infinity. The route is completely open.

    All she needs to do is never again mix with her daughter.

    Her daughter is the total cause for Ramana’s mum being stalled.

    That’s the truth, because LRH says so.

    But if for some reason, it is found that Ramana’s mum is not, in fact, PTS to her daughter, then there must be somebody else she is PTS to. And then somebody else, and somebody else and somebody else. Ad infinitum.

    But never say, dear lady, that you are PTS to Hubbard and Scientology.

    If you did that, you would be kicked out of your church and lose your eternity.

    But if you did do that, you would reconnect with your daughter and granddaughter, with old friends and relations and live a great and happy life without being forced to believe in things that just don’t exist, written by a psychotic madman and pathological liar.

    • Ella Raitch

      Re: Lose Your Eternity – of course the holding power is stronger as people get older, worried about what will happen if they die before they get to [insert level here]. So the pressure is on to do whatever action the ‘ethics’ officer tells you, including alienation of affection.

      • salin

        *sniffing back tears*. Sounds about right – and more substantiation of the truism: Scientology – it’s always worse than you think.

        • Mockingbird

          Consistent. It was modeled after the empathy, compassion and humility in Ron Hubbard’s heart and mind. Less than zero.

    • Linda Clement

      That is one of the most viciously evil things I’ve heard in my life. Seeing it spelled out like that makes it so clear. Thanks for this. I needed it.

  • Juicer77

    Ramana, I’m very sorry to hear your mother has disconnected. It must hurt just as much even though it was expected. I hope that someday soon she will realize what she is missing and decide to leave the Co$.
    That billboard can’t go up soon enough.

  • Robert Ramsay

    Having to deal with someone close who is still in it’s very much
    like having to deal with a family member that has Alzheimer’s. You are
    just do desperate to stop the slide and we all know who is pulling from
    the other side.

    On another note Great Pic ! Look at those smiling eyes !

  • DexterSka

    If any person reading this is still connected to Scientology I want to remind you of this: if Scientology has any validity why is it so weak that being connected to someone against it can invalidate it? Why must it exist only in a bubble where nobody can hurt it’s feelings? Hubbard said the Sea Org was created because OTs need other OTs to make progress. If they’re so strong why must they crawl into their “safe spaces” like sensitive college kids to the point that they have to rip apart families? At least college kids will whine to their parents about how insensitive they are. If something is true and not just true for you it can withstand criticism.

    • Mockingbird

      Scientology response:entheta, la la la, hypercritical, la la la, one one, la la la, Hubbard knows best, la la la, don’t listen, don’t listen, attack the attacker, la la la, ruin utterly, dispose of quietly and without sorrow.

      • JOE BLOW

        It’s like:

        Hitler: Jews…are you kidding….we love Jews….don’t listen to that same old bullshit.

        • Mockingbird

          Yeah, the PR was that the Jews were sent to work camps to work efficiently. They claimed to treat them quite well, like it was a massive happy jobs program. TR L was in full effect.

  • Mockingbird

    Here’s a quote directly from the Scientology Newsroom (a Scientology website)
    “Scientology regards the family as the building block of any society and marriage as an essential component of a stable family life.

    People often find that after they begin practicing Scientology, their relationships with spouses and other family members strengthen dramatically. That is because Scientology teaches an individual to communicate more freely with others, raises the capacity to love and puts one in better communication with family and friends.

    Surveys have found that, after participating in Scientology services, individuals are more likely to marry or stay married and to have children than before they became Scientologists.”

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Those surveys must not have included Tom Cruise or anyone in Sea Org.

      • Mockingbird

        I think the Scientology survey results are the product of TR L.

        • Dr_Orpheus

          Telling other Scientologists exactly what the want to hear seems to be the only benefit of Scientology communications courses.

          • Mockingbird

            Conformity to doctrine so severe you are a mental pseudo clone of Ron Hubbard. Not my idea of a win.

            • Observer

              It’s hard to imagine a bigger fail.

            • Mockingbird

              Uh…yeah.

    • JOE BLOW

      Should read:
      “People often find that after they begin practicing Scientology, their relationships with spouses and other family members strengthen dramatically or more often ripped to shreds.”

      • Mockingbird

        No truth telling allowed in Scientology.

    • PickAnotherID

      I suspect, like most $cientology surveys, this conclusion was based on a sample size of 0 and just pulled out of the authors butt.

      • Mockingbird

        Yes.

    • Observer

      Tom Cruise is the poster boy for successful Scientology marriage and family.

      • Sherbet

        I think we’re not supposed to notice the three-time marriage loser and Father of the Year (Not) Awards.

        • “Thank you Ron!”
          ..

          • Sherbet

            Hip, hip, hooey. (That is not a typo.)

      • Mockingbird

        He has a large collection of them. I am still on my first marriage. So, by statistics he is way ahead of me !

      • Bob

        How about Michele Stafford, Kirstie Ally, Nancy Cartwright, Geovanni Ribisi, Juliette Lewis, Elizebeth Moss and Erika Christianson?

        • Observer

          None of them are nearly as visible as Tom Cruise.

      • joan nieman

        Ha! You made me chuckle after much frowning this morning.

    • Draco

      Pffft!
      Such crap. Witness elron and his disconnected families. How often do those siblings and cousins get together?
      Witness miscavige and his disappeared wife. I wonder how Shelly feels about the great communication between them. And those are just the leaders. The role models for scientologists.

      Raises capacity to love? Pffft!!

      • salin

        Reading stories from former staff and seaorg – there seems to be a whole lot of shuffle the married partners (that is multiple divorces and remarriages) going on. Don’t have any idea if that is true for public members.

        • Draco

          A LOT of shuffle for sea org especially. Spouses are often sent to different parts of a country or even the planet on “missions” and can sometimes go for YEARS without seeing each other. The only difference between married couples and single SO staff, is that married couples have their own rooms and don’t live in dorms. Otherwise they are treated as individuals who are expected to accept whatever assignment is thrown at them. Wherever it takes them. I know of couples who got married, spent a couple of nights together, and then were posted to different parts of the country.

          • I suspect that married couples are tolerated or seperated according to whether their committment to each other might one day exceed their commitment to Scientology.

            • Draco

              Nope, not really. They pretty much just send whoever they want to wherever they want. Loyalty to CoS makes no difference. You are there to serve and your marital status will not get in the way of that. No matter who you are.

            • Noted.

              That is, if anything, worse. With absolutely no consistency inthe demands placed upon then, nor any secruity, it’s hardly surprising that Sea Org personel suffer from stress-related medical conditions, which are aggrevated by the prohibition against mainstream treatment.

    • Bob

      Scientology PR. The art of lying.

      • Mockingbird

        Definitely

  • ShevilKat

    If ol’ Jehovah hisself plopped right down in front of me and told me to cut ties with ANYONE that I loved, ESPECIALLY my family, I would tell him to fuck right the hell off. Disconnection truly makes me want to hurl.

    • Mockingbird

      Congratulations. You have more wisdom than is contained in ALL of Dianetics and Scientology.

  • I hate this disconnection shit 🙁 Condolences to Ramana.

  • ze moo

    “Although her mother has been in Scientology for more than 30 years, she
    has never reached Clear, Ramana says. Now, her mother is under pressure
    to disconnect from her own daughter in order to continue progress up
    Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom.”

    What ‘progress’?? Thirty years and still not ‘clear’?? How’s that ‘tech’ working for you? IT’S NOT WORKING!! For anyone.

    How did Ramana’s mother find out about the Giant Dwarf ? The clampire is taking out all the stops to keep members in clam bed. That speaks volumes about the condition of clam ‘management’ and the lengths they’ll go to keep just one clam in KSW hell.

    My anger has more anger.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I’m so sorry . But …i bet it is kind of a relief . I hate to point it out …but you have a crappy mother . I am glad that you are better than she is . If your own mother does not have your back …it has nothing to do with you , she is a crappy mother and now a crappy grandmother . If she was not a scientologist blackmailing you about scientology … it would have been something else . She stopped being your mother a long time ago . It was too hard for her to think for herself , too hard for her to think of anyone other than herself . Mothers step in front of a bus for their kids ….some mothers are the bus . Move out of the way and get on with your life ..with your own beautiful child that knows that you are there for her no matter what .

    • Jimmy3

      Why do you bring so much real

      • Kim O’Brien

        it is easier

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I hope Ramana is doing well because that’s a hell of a blow to take. I’ll never understand. SMH

      • Sunny

        Yes but it’s the truth.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I totally get it Sunny and I do understand the intense mind control and pressure behind these things. Having just suffered a loss though, I’m in a place where the thought of voluntarily cutting someone I love out of my life just hurts too much.

          I can only hope Ramana’s mother is regretting it already. Perhaps it will be the crack in the wall?

          • Sunny

            I hope so, but I guess each situation is different. I think it has a lot to do with the individual themselves (both child and parent).

  • Phil McKraken

    What is means to be a Scientologist, a continuing series of staggering madness:

    “Dear Daughter: I’ve made my own decision to disconnect from you. Now, go sort it out with the IJC, and he’ll tell me whether or not I’ve decided to to reconnect. Freedom!”

    • kemist

      So, that’s what “pandetermism” and being “at cause” means.

    • Mockingbird

      We have the freedom to be slaves to Scientology. Much love your disconnected family members.

    • Sunny

      I laughed. But it’s the truth.

  • Mat Pesch

    So,so typical. Expose the behavior as broadly as possible so as to warn others. Keep strong.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Sudanese-American Yale senior Emi Mahoud won the World Slam Poetry Championship
    last year with her poem “Mama.”
    Her mom did not disconnect from her.
    $cientology, you should be ashamed.
    But that’s not all.

    Mama

    I was walking down the street when a man stopped me and said,
    Hey yo sistah, you from the motherland?
    Because my skin is a shade too deep not to have come from foreign soil
    Because this garment on my head screams Africa
    Because my body is a beacon calling everybody to come flock to the motherland
    I said, I’m Sudanese, why?
    He says, ‘cause you got a little bit of flavor in you,
    I’m just admiring what your mama gave you

    Let me tell you something about my mama
    She can reduce a man to tattered flesh without so much as blinking
    Her words fester beneath your skin and the whole time,
    You won’t be able to stop cradling her eyes.
    My mama is a woman, flawless and formidable in the same step.
    Woman walks into a warzone and has warriors cowering at her feet
    My mama carries all of us in her body,
    on her face, in her blood and
    Blood is no good once you let it loose
    So she always holds us close.

    When I was 7, she cradled bullets in the billows of her robes.
    That same night, she taught me how to get gunpowder out of cotton with a bar of soap.
    Years later when the soldiers held her at gunpoint and asked her who she was
    She said, I am a daughter of Adam, I am a woman, who the hell are you?
    The last time we went home, we watched our village burn,

    Soldiers pouring blood from civilian skulls
    As if they too could turn water into wine.
    They stole the ground beneath our feet.
    The woman who raised me
    turned and said, don’t be scared
    I’m your mother, I’m here, I won’t let them through.
    My mama gave me conviction.
    Women like her
    Inherit tired eyes,
    Bruised wrists and titanium plated spines.
    The daughters of widows wearing the wings of amputees
    Carry countries between their shoulder blades.

    I’m not saying dating is a first world problem, but these trifling moterfuckers seem to be.
    The kind who’ll quote Rumi, but not know what he sacrificed for war.
    Who’ll fawn over Lupita, but turn their racial filters on.
    Who’ll take their politics with a latte when I take mine with tear gas.
    Every guy I meet wants to be my introduction to the dark side,
    Wants me to open up this obsidian skin and let them read every tearful page,
    Because what survivor hasn’t had her struggle made spectacle?
    Don’t talk about the motherland unless you know that being from Africa
    means waking up an afterthought in this country.

    Don’t talk about my flavor unless you know that
    My flavor is insurrection, it is rebellion, resistance
    my flavor is mutiny
    It is burden, it is grit and it is compromise
    And you don’t know compromise until you’ve rebuilt your home for the third time
    Without bricks, without mortar, without any other option
    I turned to the man and said,
    My mother and I can’t walk the streets alone back home any more.
    Back home, there are no streets to walk any more.

    • Sherbet

      Powerful. Thanks for posting it, Pan, because I probably never would have encountered this poem.

      • Jimmy3

        I’m the guy referenced in the beginning of the poem
        And she didn’t say any of that shit, she just slapped me. Really hard.

        • Sherbet

          Sigh…

        • Draco

          Can’t take you anywhere!

          • ze moo

            I have an old friend from college whose mantra was ‘you can dress him up, but you can’t take him anywhere’.

    • salin

      +100

    • Qbird
  • wic

    Dear Ramana
    I’m so sorry that you have to deal with this. I’m so sorry knowing how it feels to have your parent choose something or somebody else over you ( not scientology for my mother). I know that looking at Iyana you can in no way understand why she is doing this and chances are you never will.
    What is important is that it is not your fault. She is a grown woman, a mother. She should know better.
    You are a wonderfull person for speaking about Scientology and it’s crimes, you are a great mother for making sure your girl sees how strong her mother is for her.
    My heart goes to you.

  • It seems that exactly the same rationalisation is used by members of the CofS and Independent Scientologists – that ‘the tech’ is infallible and, when it appears to fail, this is because someone is ‘misapplying’ it. This Catch-22 (so similar to ‘Study Tech’, in which the text is infallible and any apparant inconsistancies are due to ‘going past a misundertood word) is right out of Hubbard’s playbook.

    Even an outsider like me can understand how an elderly woman in a closed social environment can be mainipulated into believing that ‘disconnection’ is for the best – how she could be suffering as much as her daughter. it’s not just the doctine which is wrong, it’s the way in which it is ruthlessly deployed to protect the CofS above all.

    So, ‘disconnection’ is not only to keep members in line but also to silence ex-members. How many people are there who would speak out if they were not afraid of disconnection? There are so many secrets out there which, if put together, could cause great damage to the CofS.

    Of course, it’s up to the individual to decide what is best in their particular circumstances. However, I would urge anyone in this situation to record their experience and arrange for this information to be released under appropriate circumstances. If you have to remain silent while you live, that’s your decision – but don’t let the abuse you have sufferered and the knowledge you have die with you.

    • Draco

      ” However, I would urge anyone in this situation to record their experience and arrange for this information to be released under appropriate circumstances. If you have to remain silent while you live, that’s your decision – but don’t let the abuse you have suffered and the knowledge you have die with you.”
      Good idea, Once Born. It isn’t possible for everyone to tell their stories for so many different reasons, but to write it all up and release it when it’s possible, would be a very good thing.
      I know of many old-timers who have died and although sometimes their kids know some of the stories, they usually don’t know it all. I started my story a while back, but then didn’t continue. And although mine isn’t one of horrendous abuse, it certainly had its moments. I will get back to writing it all up, and hopefully I can release it before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

      • a) I think your story is more interesting than you know

        b) Scientology is compartmentalised. There are people out there who hold essential parts of the puzzle, and don’t even know it

      • aquaclara

        I hope you do get back to writing it. Your comments here add a substantial amount to this blog, and so I definitely agree with Once Born that your story is far more interesting than you know.

        Tony’s blog is remarkable for so many things, as he unravels the stories, puts pieces together and helps educate the world about Scientology. Then you add in the comments, where we get to see exes heal and grow, and reach back to help those who aren’t yet in a good place. The interchanges between former members, the exchange we saw yesterday between protester and a former member, these are the gems that give me hope.

        It’s all a long way of saying write the story, Draco. Either a comment at a time, or in a diary or on video. I was just thinking how remarkable Mockingbird’s insights are from one in so long. And Phil and Willie. And Ramana. And every other ex around here, since we don’t thank you all enough.

  • Mockingbird

    Good disconnection filled day Bunkeroos.

    The more I look at the cult and related subjects the more firmly I am convinced of certain basic ideas. One of which is quite simple: life has a certain degree of potential for happiness and freedom. Both of which are tremendously decreased by participation in Scientology.

    Another thing is that virtually all Scientologists have to disconnect from family members. It’s well over ninety percent of cult members, probably closer to ninety nine percent. So if you don’t want your family to be entirely under the control of a cult then don’t join Scientology.

    Another very relevant idea that keeps coming home is that victims of cultic abuse (which includes abandonment in the form of disconnection) just like victims of other traumatic experiences and forms of abuse have certain needs. One of which is empathic witnessing.

    Victims of cultic abuse have been described by doctor Daniel Shaw as being traumatized in a manner very similar to victims of rape, sexual abuse and incest. They were deeply betrayed and have experienced shock trauma as well. They are often subject to CPTSD. They face blame for what they experience.

    Being blamed for joining a cult is particularly debilitating. It is similar to victims of rape being blamed which unfortunately is a part of our culture. It is similar to abused women being blamed for “choosing an abuser and staying with him”. It is similar to victims of incest and sexual abuse being blamed for the abuse, which is a very complex and layered issue involving denial within families and institutions.

    All these forms of failing to give empathic witnessing produce the effect of more trauma because they treat the victims as if their experiences aren’t genuine and this agrees with the idea that they don’t deserve to be recognized as genuine individuals deserving rights. The experience of having people deny the legitimacy of our pain, of our right to not be exploited and lied to is degrading and disturbing.

    This is tremendously magnified in the shadow of a severely traumatic and abusive relationship, which a cult like Scientology surely is. It takes personal vulnerability to disclose the details and damage of cultic abuse. The abuse teaches victims that trust can be betrayed on a profound level. Overcoming the impulse to shut down and withdraw to protect yourself from further betrayal takes significant effort.

    That is part of why it is so vital that people who have the opportunity to provide empathic witnessing do so. A kind word and sympathetic ear can encourage the victims to be hopeful that they can trust again. It can show them humanity is not all like the abuser. Being indifferent or silent in these situations is taking the side of the abuser. It is giving tacit consent and implied approval to abuse.

    There are so many kinds of abuse and violations of human rights that are supported merely by failure to recognize the legitimacy of the claims being made. This can include cultic abuse, domestic violence, child abuse, and even racism, police brutality and other abuses. But when you have an opportunity to lend a hand in simply showing that a person is deserving of human rights and that the abuse they claim can be legitimate and the pain it causes can be genuine and not their fault is it is a crucial chance to choose good over evil.

    It would be cruel and wrong to be indifferent, incredulous or worse yet blame a victim of any abuse. Cultic abuse is less familiar to many but as it becomes more familiar we should be more sensitive to its legitimacy as genuine abuse and the need to both not blame victims and to treat them with extraordinary compassion and empathy. It’s only the decent thing to do.

  • Observer

    Disconnection is the inevitable result of basing family relationships on the teachings of such an accomplished family man as Lafayette.

    refresh

    • Sherbet

      (Pssst, Observer. 9 more comments for you, and the odometer flips!)

      • Jimmy3

        (Pssst, Tony, girls are passing notes and I think they should have to share them with the class)

        • Sherbet

          There’s always one dork in every classroom.

          • Jimmy3

            Hah. Where’s the dork??? I’ll give him a wedgie

            • Observer

              And charm him while you do it

            • Jimmy3

              You have a mind like a trap full of elephants.

            • Observer

              Why thank you!

            • Sherbet

              ???

        • Ben Franklin

          Guy code dictates that you grab the note and read it out loud

    • I LOVE your RON Mags LOL

  • Simi Valley

    So Xander is spending some time in Clearwater, post-Lardass’ birthday event, to soak up some rays and spread entheta all around Ft. Homicide Ave. He reports that both yesterday and today, a police car was parked on the 200-South block, presumably in honor of Xander’s presence?

    • Observer

      OSA must be frothing with rage that they’re not allowed to call the cops on him anymore.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Hur hur 😛

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Right on, he’s a Special Person presence and ironically they are the only ones afraid of Super Power.

    • Simi Valley

      Correction: I just found out that the midget has been in CW for the birthday thing and up to now. Xander thinks the midget may have just left because the cop car is gone, nobody around the FH, per the latest. So the cop car was prolly there because the midget was in town, plus maybe also because of the protesters.

      • Ella Raitch

        One cop car – man, what an upstat VIP he is(not)

  • Ramana you are strength beyond strength. I am happy you have your father and your daughter to keep you strong. One day your mom will reach out. Hopefully soon. Xoxo

  • Mockingbird

    They should have a dating service called disconnection connection. You can go out with and marry the people Scientology will some day have you disconnected from ! Your one stop shop for all your relationship and estrangement needs.

    Scientology – suicide of the soul, rape of the spirit, destruction of the family.

    • Sunny

      Scientology – suicide of the soul, rape of the spirit, destruction of the family.
      That needs to be on a banner. And a billboard. And written in the sky. And yelled out on microphones. And repeated. And on protest sign. And…
      And…
      And…

      • Ben Franklin

        In reality, Scientology is the anti-religion or the anti-church, but they have managed to hide so well in plain sight by pretending to be that which they are not. The perfect way to hide is to assume a disguise that is opposite. In other words, Scientology is evil masquerading as good. When you look at Hubbard’s connection with Crowley, you’ll understand what I mean.

      • joan nieman

        So true sunny, so damn true.

      • Newiga
  • Draco

    “Although her mother has been in Scientology for more than 30 years, she has never reached Clear”
    She is now 72. If during her prime earning years, she never managed to reach Clear, how will she afford going up the bridge now? And Clear is right near the bottom of the bridge. DM grants it and takes it away at his whim, depending on his latest “stupendous, earth shattering, universe exploding discovery of altered tech by SPs”.
    I am pretty sure that after all those years, her mother has mainly $cn friends and connections. Her “choice”, as she would see it, is to lose all her friends or lose her daughter and granddaughter. She made the wrong decision.

    I am so sorry, Ramana. Life should not be like this. I hope she comes to her senses.

  • Scream Nevermore

    If Scientology has only ever achieved one thing, that one thing is it has stopped me feeling so hard done by for being brought up as a Catholic. Which, as ‘religions’ go, is not much of an achievement.

    • Sherbet

      As a (practicing) Catholic, I laughed out loud at your comment.

      • I think it’s the luck of the draw with such a vast organization as the RCC. I have a few relatives back east, whose Catholicism has brought them nothing but comfort and joy. I think it matters where you live and the luck of the draw. My cousins priest (Father O.) died last year in his late 80s. He’d been a warm, loving, positive influence on their small, New Jersey town for more than 60 years. He was at every family event in their lives, births, deaths and everything in between. Jocular, funny and thoughtful, he told great stories and made a mean Manhattan. Even my uber atheist dad (burned by his own personal Catholic horror show experience) loved the guy. Father O. danced with my mom at my parent’s Episcopal wedding in ’58. Of course, he was friends with the priest that officiated at my parents ceremony.

        So, I get that it’s not all wooden rulers, rape and shaming for some people, not by a long shot. But for those who suffered, I understand their total rage, and hatred for the ruined lives.

        That said, I don’t know of any happy, wonderful, growing up in Scientology stories that sound credible. Anyone got any?

        • Sherbet

          Nice story, Artoo. I don’t at all minimize the damage a strict church like RC may have inflicted on its followers, especially damage done by pedophile criminal priests. But, as you say, there are shades of experience to everything. It works for me, but I don’t presume to proselytize. My son is an avowed adult atheist. Whatever floats one’s boat…

          • PJK

            I left the Catholic church when I was 17, much to the displeasure of my mother who is a devout Catholic. I just couldn’t consolidate what the church was telling me with what I saw in the real world so I had to leave.

            If it works for you and gives you something worthwhile in your life I’m happy for you, but for me it’s nothing more than fairy tales.

            It of course helps that I live in a country (The Netherlands) where religiosity isn’t really considered to be that important and religious tolerance has been the law of the land for a long long time.

            It probably also explains why Scientology hasn’t really ever caught on here either. The Dutch are much to sober a people to fall for an obvious cash grab that disguises itself as a religion.

            • Sherbet

              Like everything else in life, one has to do what feels comfortable and right. It’s a deeply personal choice. I’m glad you’re comfortable with what you chose, as am I.

            • Fellow Dutchie here. 🙂

          • I’m an AAA as well, but I belive that we, as citizens of the planet, have a responsibility to praise and nurture good works wherever we them, no matter their source. And by “good,” I mean golden rule-y, beneficial actions that make the world a better place.

            As for how we react to cruel, vindictive and nasty actors out there? I think we have quite a toolkit here in the Bunker: Tireless, impeccable, journalistic investigation. Fearless protest from former members and never-ins. Social media persistence, and an endless well of J&D to make the medicine easier to deliver.

  • Xique

    Ramana ‘s 72 yr old mum who is willing to “withdraw” from such a beautiful daughter and granddaughter so she can continue the endless pursuit of the state of clear just boggles my mind and of course breaks everyones hearts.
    Ramana all the best to you and your girl. Your speaking to kids in high school and educating them about the dangers of this church, well there’s nothing more noble than that pursuit. Keep up the good work.

  • Ben Franklin

    Love brings joy and happiness when used for good. Love brings sadness and sorrow when used for destruction. Sadly, Scientology uses love as a weapon, not to create, but to destroy happiness among families.

  • salin

    New Press Release – (In advance: Thanks Lego Land)

    Scientology News Reports: Youth for Human Rights International World Tour Launches With Capitol Hill Awards Ceremony

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientology-news-reports-youth-human-171000000.html

    Representatives from David Jolly’s office (Co$ friendly congressman and senate candidate hopeful) were on hand along with representatives from congressman Xavier Beccera’s office to hand out the awards.

  • Bob

    Ramana you state it clearly, “emotional blackmail”. And where does that come from? All sea org members and scientologists are subjected to “spiritual blackmail”. Hubbard created the doctrine and the Mighty Mouse-Scavige is carrying it out to the nth degree.
    Disconnect or lose your “spiritual eternity”. Once they’ve been hypnotized what choice do members have? It’s evil. It’s the worst kind of evil as it is mind control with only one outcome. Slaves.
    I’m so sorry Ramana, you don’t deserve this. Know that you have an extended family that wants to see this heinous policy and group destroyed and you reunited with your mom. It will happen. I know it.

  • WhatWall

    Reaction of Ramana’s mother when told about Ramana’s experiences on the Freewinds: “She’s convinced I was mistreated because someone misapplied the technology, not that the fundamental policies that run Scientology are creating these actions.”

    That is another thought-stopping mechanism commonly employed by Scientologists and staff members. I rationalized in this same manner when I observed the insanity on staff.

    Here are some of the rationalizations that staff use to justify the madness observed in their Scientology organizations:
    – It’s just a few off-policy executives;
    – It’s the lack of admin training;
    – It’s the misapplication of admin or tech;
    – It’s not knowing the basics of Scientology;
    – It’s the lack of auditor training amongst Scientology execs;
    – It’s good people buckling under the pressure of being responsible for clearing the planet;
    – The exec knows more than me so I don’t know the true situation;
    – This is just a temporary situation and will improve as confusion blows off and order goes in;
    – The abusive exec is OT so his emotions are more intense as he moves up & down the Tone Scale;
    – It’s just my org — Conditions are better in the other orgs;
    – I’ll be able to deal with it as I get more highly trained & processed.

    When you have absolute certainty that you’re working for the only group that can save mankind, you try to somehow make sense of the situation until you can’t or won’t. That’s when you start looking for a way out.

    • Draco

      I have used every single one of those rationalizations, WhatWall. It makes me quite ill at times to think that every time I used on of these, I was actually being nudged to wake up and smell the frigging coffee. All those times when truth was staring me in the face and I could not see it.

      Love your name, by the way. Wish I had thought of using it during some of the “locationals” I have been through 🙂

      • WhatWall

        I’ve seen several otherwise bright people with high IQs make those same rationalizations so don’t be hard on yourself. 🙂

        Now I’m wary of any group or cause that clings to an absolute as the basis for its actions. I’m suspicious of any group that can’t be completely open and accountable about its plans & actions.

        An operating basis of “the end justifies the means” can be couched in the most noble of terms and very cleverly disguised these days. Every religion, philosophy and political or social ideology seems to be vulnerable to this “absolutism” defect.

    • Bob

      When one is hypnotized he or she makes up all kinds of rationale to justify their delusions. The trick is how to wake up the members in this Hubbard induced trance.

      • WhatWall

        While there are some hypnotic aspects to some of Scientology’s therapies, I think it is an oversimplification to attribute Scientologists’ delusions to hypnotism.

        Hubbard constructed Scientology as an onion, the outer layer of which is based on stolen therapeutic techniques & repackaged wisdom. Having experienced some relief and self-realizations while passing through the outer layer of this onion, nascent Scientologists are more willing to accept and participate in the next layer.

        If you’re still in after experiencing several layers, you’ve likely accepted several absolutes as ultimate truth, are able to explain away stuff that doesn’t make sense and have become more susceptible to its hypnotic aspects.

        As a Scientologist I thought that I was one of the most logical and least hypnotized people on earth because of the knowledge & truth acquired as I moved through the layers of Scientology.

    • Scientology is a closed social group. Basic doctrine asserts that it is infallible, and any failures are deemed to be your fault. In such a situation social pressure can be so powerful as to make questioning what you are told literally unthinkable.

      I think that people trapped in this thought-tight compartment often only start to question the kind of excuses you list when the injustices visited upon them by the CofS become unendurable. That’s when the efforts of critics and protestors can bear fruit, and they jump ship to another (more rational) explanation for their experiences.

  • Then, she says, her mother found out about the talk at the Giant Dwarf,

    I wonder how that could have happened? (No, not really.)

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Blessing and good luck to your career success. It’s a shame to lose your mother, and it was her choice. I’m very sorry for that. There is always hope!

  • villagedianne

    So. Has COS stopped using the word “disconnect” in favor of the word “withdraw”, because disconnection is such bad PR? Like when they said the words “fair game” were not to be used, but the policy regarding SP’s would remain the same? From http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html

    HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE

    Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex

    HCO Policy Letter of 21 October 1968

    CANCELLATION OF FAIR GAME

    The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease.

    FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.

    This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP.

    LRH:ci:cden L. RON HUBBARD

    Copyright (c) 1968 Founder

    by L. Ron Hubbard

    ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

    • A corpse flower by any other name would smell as putrid . . .

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Translation: we’re still going to fuck with people, ruin them utterly, destroy their family, just don’t call it fair game in writing. Got it?

  • Linda Clement

    Torturing a 72-year-old woman. There is truly no low to which $cientology does not sink.

    • Ben Franklin

      A religion is only as good as it’s morals.

      • “By their fruits shall ye know them”.

  • Ben Franklin

    “Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent than the one derived from fear of punishment.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

  • aquaclara

    Oh how I wish Ramana’s mother had been able to choose her life with her daughter and granddaughter instead. Scientology’s destruction of families is so heartbreaking — the ONLY winner is Scientology. Everyone else loses. I feel sorry for your mom, too, knowing how trapped in she is.

    If the genie could grant me three wishes right now, my first wish is that we had a way to get through to those who have been so emotionally blackmailed into their belief that family is somehow disposable. They simply do not know. And then I wish we had the ability to put Phil and Willie’s billboard up wherever your mom is, too. I’m afraid we need a lot of billboards.

    Ramana, your daughter is so lucky to have you as her mom. Hope you’re enjoying her childhood and all the things you missed from your own youth.

    And as for one final wish: Here’s to much better days ahead, filled with mounds of happiness, healing and hope.

  • Linda Clement

    Is anybody collecting all the disconnection stories? When the billboard goes up, a website for those would be a powerful response to questions by the press.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      There is a tab at the website for adding individual stories.

      Your Story

      There are many stories of those who have suffered the abuse of Scientology Disconnection. We’d love to hear yours.

      Please enter your story below and we’ll publish it

      http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/?page_id=56

    • Uhm… google and other search engines are. 🙂

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I see what Linda is saying. It would be nicely streamlined if the web address on the billboard was also a portal for a large number of disconnection stories, but it’s a big job for one or two people to manage, hence, I imagine, the facility to add your own story at the website.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Yes – and Phil and Willie are asking people to share their stories also. But it would be a lot of work to compile them.

  • Newiga

    Ramana, I’m so sad to hear that your mom has disconnected from you and your daughter. 🙁 Thank you for standing your ground and speaking out.

    Can’t wait for the billboard to go up!!!

  • Today in Scientology history:

    16 years ago, bork bork bork:

    Sweden Recognizes Scientology March 15, 2000, Associated Press

    8 years ago, “We were born. We grew up. We escaped.”:

    Internet unites, emboldens critics of Scientology March 15, 2008, David Sarno, Los Angeles Times, Journal Gazette

    5 years ago, AOSH Canada will open “next year”:

    Former Orangeville-area resort to become Scientology headquarters March 15, 2011, Dan Robson, Toronto Star

    3 years ago,

    VIDEO: What Did You Lose in Scientology? March 15, 2013, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgDVuYrx1sA

    more today

    • Dice

      That vid is so spot on!

      • That vid would be so spot on for just about any day around here. 🙁

  • mikecrosby

    What a sick fuckin evil organization. How one can be behind this pulling the strings, knowing the damage being done and continuing on…? Sick. And the sycophants, lawyers/PIs, are even more dispicable.

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    Ramana,
    Thanks for sharing your story here. It is so sad to hear about your mother disconnecting from you and your daughter. I am constantly amazed at not only the magnitude of numbers of how many families have been broken up by Scientology but the cruelty and abuse demonstrated on each one by this callous and sadistic organization. Stay strong. Between us we’ll end this heartless Scientology disconnection practice.
    Love,
    Phil

  • Simi Valley

    For similar reasons to disconnecting from family members, $ickentologists also disconnect from friends. No matter how much you’ve helped them over the years, no matter how long you were friends, once you’ve had the balls to wake up and smell the coffee, you’re just disposable trash.

  • Simi Valley

    Am reposting a chat I had on facebook a year ago with a die-hard clam whom I’ve known for many years; she didn’t realize I was out until she started the chat with me. [Note: she is not progressing up the “bridge” as she claims.]
    Clam: Hi Simi, I see you are in comm with X. Did you know he’s a squirrel?
    Never mind – I see you belong to an anti-Scientology group.
    Me: Yes I do, and if you are still in, you should read the internet and find out a lot of things you don’t know about Scientology.
    Clam: I’m familiar with all the lies, yes. Meanwhile I’m progressing up the bridge the way LRH intended in a standard org and not destroying my eternity.
    Me: I’m sorry you consider them lies; one day you will wake up and be very shocked about the truth, something that I too believed in for a very long time.
    Clam: No, it’s you who needs to wake up and realize it’s all disaffection and out-ethics. Every person I know who left the church had been very nattery before they left.You have probably been declared, so I shouldn’t even be talking to you.

    • ze moo

      Some draft horses never take the blinders off.

    • Draco

      “Friends” – what we do without them, hey?

    • Dice

      “Every person I know who left the church had been very nattery before they left.”
      He he… i wonder why.

      • Simi Valley

        This same woman put up a gofundme page to raise money for her husband’s funeral expenses that she couldn’t afford to pay on her own.

        • Dice

          did she get it?

          • Simi Valley

            A small percentage, yes.

            • Dice

              Ok! god for her.. anyway it is very emotional expensive to realize that you where wrong all along, so it’s cheaper to stay and pretend. Keep in contact etc

            • Simi Valley

              I don’t have time for that. The people who blew me off will have to handle their shit on their own.

            • Dice

              you right!

        • Draco

          Wow. It’s all just so sad and shabby. If only they could see themselves as we see them.

        • Newiga

          That is extremely sad. I have no words.

          Seeing the elderly spent their time and money on a scam like Scientology instead of enjoying their “golden years” upsets me a great deal. *sigh*

      • Sherbet

        I’d rather be nattery than nuttery.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Yes, in Scientology ‘nattery’ is often mistaken for the awakening of critical and discerning thought processes that were buried for so long. Opposites are so common in Scientology. They are in fact the prisoners yet they consider wogs to be trapped. Lower conditions and punishment are ‘help’. Giving away all your money will magically make you rich. Children are adults. Adults are treated like children. It’s like a bizarre dystopian culture struggling to take over the world while shrinking away into nothing, all the while boldly decreeing its huge successes.

      • Observer

        Nobody nattered more than Ron, though IMO “ranted incoherently” is more accurate than mere nattering.

        • Techie

          Observer, very true if you use the real English definition of the word “natter”. But there is a special Hubbard version of the word that the exes are using here, In Scientology if you say anything even remotely negative or critical about anyone or anything you immediately get accused of “nattering”. Hubbard said that carping negative criticism was all the result of the sins of the speaker, and not related in any way to any fault of Hubbard or anyone in good standing in Scientology.Example: “There is no money for food this week, all we are going to get is rice and beans!” replied to with “You said the words ‘rice and beans’ too loud, it sounds like a load of natter to me, report to the Ethics Officer.” You can get away with nattering about politicians or somebody who is on the RPF, but the slightest bit of negativity about Scientology, or Dave M., or your betters in the organization is stamped on with the atomic boot in the face from on high. That is one reason why Scientologists in the street don’t communicate well with protestors, every answer they could make is self-censored to remove any hint of anything that could be construed as any kind of negative comment. They go through twenty possible answers in their heads before they dare to open their mouths, and then what comes out doesn’t make any sense. No nattering nabobs of negativism allowed in the “best of all possible worlds” that is Scientology.

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          He was also very good at generalizations, which were apparently a sign of an SP.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wow Simi Valley. Just. Wow.

  • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

    The ironic thing is that Scientology is NOT the “Road To Total Freedom”. It never was or will be.
    My own research shows this clearly. Hubbard also told me in a channeled session with him
    through a real “OT” that the story of OT-3 was false.

    So those disconnecting are wasting their lives and relationships in exchange for “pie-in-the-sky”.
    All of this so defines a CULT.

    I should not read this board, as it just upsets and restimulates to no avail.

    If I’d done my due diligence at the beginning, none of this would have happened.
    I made myself a victim.

    It is a neat trick that Hubbard made the higher levels secret and a mystery.
    Thus people insert their own higher ideals and imaginings for what is there,
    assuming the best to match their goodness and good intentions, not the real OT levels.

    As the good people are thrown out of Scientology one by one, it leaves only the
    lowest common denominator types who will frustratingly continue to push a
    confusing and unworkable system until it all fails of its own weight.

    My wife died because of Scientology, indirectly, perhaps. She as a being was
    way above any Scientologist, as measured by the Love in her heart.
    At least she is free of the crap now.
    Her husband should have woken up much earlier,
    and could have at anytime if he just looked using his basic abilities.

    Add to the above the impending social and economic collapse, and I’m overwhelmed.
    (Hint: take your money out of the bank, while you still can., before the runs start.
    Keep cash and “junk” silver (real silver coins) as money to use when the SHTF, soon.

    • outraged

      Don’t blame yourself. You were manipulated by masters of manipulation.
      Scientology – Lying liars that lie.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Stop listening to the doom and gloom media. It’s not as bad as they want to make you believe. You’re free of the cult. Enjoy what’s good in the world….It’s all you can really do.

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        That is good advice.
        Thank you.

    • Kim O’Brien

      get help

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Professional, licenced help, not another Hubbard seance.

    • “i should not read this board as it restimulates to no avail”

      The idea that you should not ‘restimulate’ terrible experiences from your past is characteristic of Scientology – simplistic and usually dead wrong. People need to assimilate bad experiences with the help of a therapist, or just sympathetic and supportive company. Trying to suppress these things can make matters worse. Bringing them out into the open can gradually rob them of their power.

      You will find supportive and sympathetic people here, who have experienced the same things you have, and understand. You will also find ‘never ins’ (like me) who partially understand, from a completely different perspective.

      You are among friends, here, who may be able to help.

      • flyonthewall

        he needs real help from a licensed mental health professional

        • That as well. Failing that, though a sympathetic ear would not hurt…

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        Thank you for your support.
        It is appreciated.

    • Robert Eckert

      My grandfather bought a farm away from the cities to use as an escape from the imminent financial crash and social collapse, and hoarded gold and silver as the only real money. He died fifty years later, still waiting for the apocalypse he had been predicting every single year. That was thirty years ago.

      • Sunny Sands

        Living through the Great Depression can do that to a person.

        • Robert Eckert

          I think 1938 was the year he bought the Slippery Rock farm. He was also thinking about the possibility of world war, and expecting Pittsburgh to be a prime target for bombing (although not quite grasping that airplanes from Germany or Russia couldn’t easily get there), but the main thrust of his writings at the time was that the fragile economic recovery was about to give way to a renewed crash “that will make 1929 look like a tea party” (we also have frantic writings from his estranged father, a Eugene Debs Socialist who was hoping the Glorious Revolution was upon us).

          • Sherbet

            Interesting family history, Robert!

          • salin

            Wow. Those writings from both must be very interesting. Captures quite the spectrum of views of a fast-changing world (back then – not unlike now.)

            • Robert Eckert

              My great-grandfather was blacklisted for his role in the great Pullman Strike of the 1890’s. By 1917 he thought it was his duty to defy the Wilson administration by hiding his sons from the draft and making sure they didn’t fight in the English bankers’ war, running to Mexico if necessary. My grandfather apparently ran away from him to enlist (we have pictures of him in uniform, though the war ended before he actually got shipped over, and he met my grandmother at a dance the locals were throwing for the soldiers), causing an unbridgeable rift, and went on to become an accountant (how much more capitalist can you get?)

            • salin

              That is really interesting.

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        I do believe I’ve been feeding the Fear that through the matrix the bad guys live on,
        spiritually speaking.
        Thanks for the reminder.
        The comments I’ve received on that post should be taken as positive cheer,
        as I will take them. There have been about 8 so far.

    • Susan black

      Please don’t beat yourself up with the “shouldas.” It takes time and work on yourself to recover from such a horrible con. I’m a never in, but I’ve been devastated by a con too. I found the bunker while learning about these strange creatures called narcissists and sociopaths. Most of the big time con men of the world are either dead or in jail and they are the ones that are written about and studied. There are few big con artists alive and working their cons while at the same time they are being exposed and targeted to be brought down by another group. Here in the bunker we study David miscavige like the freak he is. Learning is power. May you and I never be conned again!

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        Thank you Susan.
        It is just the way I came back for more and more for 30+ years.
        Such a waste of a life, with not much time to change it.
        But it is possible, from a higher vibration viewpoint, as my hope.

    • Qbird

      maybe you’re not so much a victim as you are a survivor.

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        Yes, I certainly could lay claim to that !

    • Dice

      I remember you, from some of your “few”, earlier comments over time. Your not that bad off 🙂 Your a powerhouse of wisdom and knowledge on this subject of LRH. I think what’s bother you, is how we waste our time in here, fooling around! Am i wrong?

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        Well, you hit the nail on the head on that one !

        • Dice

          Then we might agree , that some of the “core” stories, that goes around has another angle to it? I am very curious if you have more insight and maybe interesting links to follow?

          • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

            I recommend the “Granada TV” BBC interview of Hubbard showing at
            the beginning the ship before it was painted white.
            Look at this 50 min. show carefully, the scared crew, Hubbard’s answers
            and comments with those who knew him. One of them, Mike Goldstein,
            I interviewed myself. He told me how crazy the ship environment was
            and how he had to leave, doing so with agreement.
            This show was a dead giveaway to Hubbard’s self-created insanity.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4HI3KYlFag

            There are today many spiritual practices, none being religions, that will
            lead you safely toward higher states.
            To get an overview from a safe experienced source I suggest
            James Gilliland’s interviews on YouTube. He does the real thing and
            has left his Ego behind unlike Hubbard, who couldn’t.

            • Dice

              Thanks i will dive in to it later and come back with a comment. btw i left you a message on another thread, way back. you can find it in your notifications with your DISQUS

  • outraged

    I am so sorry Ramona. Thank you for sharing your courage and your story.
    May your mother leave the cult as soon as possible.
    Seems like Miscavige is stepping up his abuse to keep up with those who saved themselves. The tide is turning and the wicked will have their day. Karma rocks.

  • Dice

    Odd! I just thought about my org.. We had this standing ovation – or something.. “that we never disconnect” meaning keep in contact with the public. My god!

  • Simi Valley

    Elderly scilons are shaken down for money same as the younger ones. I have seen doddering elderly people – who could barely walk – on “services” at Flag, like Oatee 7.

    • Sherbet

      When they “drop their meat body” and come back and grow to adulthood, do these folks have to start at the beginning of the bridge again?

      • They may or may not be declared a past life clear. I never heard about past life OT 7 or something. 🙂

        Srsly: I’d guess that given COS’s ever lasting need for money they’ll have to start from scratch.

        • Sherbet

          And that is, ladies and gentlemen, a racket.

        • Draco

          Not to mention GAT3/4/5/6 will be out by then, so any previous auditing won’t count anyway.

      • Draco

        I personally know someone who claimed to be a past life OT. If I’m not mistaken, even came up with a past life name. This person still had to do all the auditing from the bottom to the top. Recently did OT8.
        Makes you think, doesn’t it?
        Going to do it all again next life time?

        • Qbird

          that’s lotsa time, energy, effort, work & money for — nuthin’!

        • Dr_Orpheus

          They keep having to retake courses taken in this life, so I would hardly expect them not to have to retake courses from a previous lifetime.

          • Draco

            Exactly.

    • Sunny Sands

      Elderly financial abuse is a hot button in Florida. Complaints are handled by the Dept. of Elder Affairs.

      • Simi Valley

        That’s a tricky one, because supposedly the people are there voluntarily and they’ve signed a shitload of waivers before going on “service.”

        • Sunny Sands

          True, the Co$ has all kinds of legal documents in their favor. But if an elderly person changed their mind about the value of these services, and went to elder affairs, the publicity and bad press could be big.
          The ballroom dance studios used to prey on the Florida elderly a lot, and finally got shut down.

  • Sunny

    Mom and daughter picture is so beautiful!

  • Mark

    To Ramana’s mother: please call your daughter. (Refresh):

    • Draco

      Saved to my Bunker folder. Thanks Mark. I have called it Lala Land.

      • Mark

        I called it ‘Blinkered’.

        • aquaclara

          That communication line always makes me snort.

    • George Layton

      I see little dave is standing on his apple crate again.

      • Mark

        Maybe—or riding on Lou’s shoulders.

    • daisy

      What I love about your work is that I can come back to it and see something new. This made me laugh at the simplicity and truth.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        The person singing “We stand tall” made me laugh 😀

    • Allie

      Excellent depiction of the Sciloonies and Scientoloy, Mark.
      And the creepy look on the slimy coward Douchebag Davey’s face says it all.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    OT —

    I am going to try to make it to the billboard ceremony next week, traveling by bus and train.

    I expect there will be a lot of PIs and OSA folks there.

    Should I bring a Guy Fawkes mask? Anything else I ought to be wary of?

    • Kim O’Brien

      hippies .

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        Always.

      • Observer

        lol

    • daisy

      I am excited for all of you.

    • SucculentDuck

      your call, whatever you feel comfortable doing (within reason) … i’ll be there, too

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        It scared my wife a couple of years ago when 2 of them showed up at my door, trying to “recover” me.

        • SucculentDuck

          i bet. i’m a ‘never in’ so anything i should be wary of beside my liberal use of semicolons ;P ?

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            This is my first protest gathering. I am going to take Draco’s advice.

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            Might also want to bring a camera or a video camera if you have one.

            Also might be good not to be alone, so as to have a witness if anything crazy happens. I’ll be looking for other bunkeroos and bunkerettes.

            • SucculentDuck

              well then, sounds most certainly like we won’t be alone. “anything crazy”… ha, i’ve lived in/around Hollywood for almost 20 and toured the world in a heavy metal band… what else?

            • Qbird

              oh! you guys are gonna have you some fun. oh yes.
              meet & greet.

        • Draco

          If you are spotted at such a gathering of SPs, I am sure there will be no more attempts to “recover” you!

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            I don’t think any of them knows what I look like now. I’ve not been on lines in decades. I have read that they note license plates on cars and can trace you that way. Hence, I am taking public transportation.

            • Draco

              This billboard is a first, so I don’t think any of us could say what reaction CoS will have to it. Public transportation is a good idea. Maybe you should take the mask, and decide whether or not to wear it when you get there. Check out the mood.

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              Since this also a big “fuck you” right in Miscaviges face, I would expect OSA will be very busy there.

            • ze moo

              They could easily have someone to take pictures and try some quiet intimidation, but they don’t want to draw the local news. Keep together and show a go-pro or any time of camera and you probably won’t even be bull baited. Still, a recording of the unveiling would be nice on youtube.

            • Ella Raitch

              Take a smart phone or video camera so you can record any shenanigans

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      This youtube shows how to make a mask in 20 minutes. I am going to try it.

      How to make a GUY FAWKES mask.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sp_-noNgkk

    • Keep your camera handy.

  • Kim O’Brien

    is it THAT hard for scientologists to look up the word ” eternity ” and realize that it is ETERNAL and NO ONE CAN TAKE AWAY ETERNITY ???? for fuck sake …the word itself gives it away .

    • flyonthewall

      are you saying they have a *gasp* MU!?

    • Alice Graves

      THANK you!! They seem to think they’re all on one big merry go round and only the ones who are righteous enough to reach the golden ring get their “eternity.” I am deeply offended by this level of stupidity.

      • ze moo

        The ‘merry go round’ is more of hamster wheel.

    • Alice Graves

      On the other hand, maybe they can block you from the front porch, but you can just jump over that and get in.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Kim,

      When I was in (and I believe others also interpret “eternity” this way), it actually refers to being able to recall and be aware of memories, experiences and educations from past lives, and as an OT, to be able to continue to do this in the future.

      In this way, they believe they can continue their awareness of their fundamental personality through future lifetimes. This is what they are really talking about when they say “eternity”. They get multiple chances to “get it right.”

      They compare this with a non-scientologist who, although is spiritually immortal, does not have the ability know his spiritual past, and forgets his personality when he dies. In other words, he has to start all over again and again, and again.

      • in other words, ‘eternity’, is another one of those words that means something different to a Scientologist than it does to the rest of the world. How convenient for them.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          I think they use it more as a short-hand for the whole concept.

      • Kim O’Brien

        oh …so she has been a shitty parent for millions of lifetimes ….. and wants to be a shitty parent for millions more ……

        ” hey , i remember that lifetime when i never saw my daughter or grandchild . Good times ”

        Ugh .

        • Alice Graves

          Thank you again. Regardless of how many former lifetimes we may be able to bring to consciousness in the here and now, the Golden Rule still applies to ALL of them – Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

          In other words, be kind, generous, and forgiving to others.

          Does this sound like the garden variety scientologist?

          • Kim O’Brien

            if someone cannot find joy in the love of their child and grand-child …then they will never be able to find it . It just brings to light that life is short ( no irony intended …but it just presents itself )

    • Trouble is, they would look it up in a Scientology dictionary…

  • nottrue

    …Being lovebombed and paying a high price for it Don’t think she has shared accommodations….https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/709722377433784320

    • Mark

      I thought the Fleabags was listing badly to port when the old barge was moored in Aruba yesterday (it limped very slowly over to Curaçao early this morning—doubtless with Tugboat Annie still on board).

      • daisy

        When I first read this I thought you were referring to Kirstie Alley as an old barge. Take a peek at her and you can see why I was confused.

        • Mark

          So easily done, especially with an old boiler like her…

          • Observer

            Ha! More like tramp steamer.

            • Sherbet

              Rimshot!

            • Dr_Orpheus

              Or a garbage scow. At least her mouth qualifies for that one especially when she’s talking about Scientology.

    • daisy

      Jenny Craig – I would rather be fat.

  • flyonthewall

    I hate every ape I see. From chimpan-A to chimpan-Z

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m not going to eat you.

      • flyonthewall

        not even a nibble? 🙁

        • Missionary Kid

          Damn automatic spell check changed it to “eat”, and I didn’t check it. What I meant to write was, “I’m not going to eat you.”

          That’s what I get for being in a hurry.

          • flyonthewall

            oohh, that makes a lot more sense, lol 🙂

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    I cried for this one. (F5)

    • Newiga

      Ditto T_T

    • Observer

      You are helping so many people. I don’t think you’ll ever know how many and how much.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Isn’t it incredible how far and wide this is spreading? I honestly think that by giving people the chance to be a part of this you are helping them heal.

      • It’s a bloody good idea which, like many such, is starting to take on a life of its own. Who knows where it could lead?

      • daisy

        Not only heal but finally not helpless.

      • Allie

        And helping them have some hope 🙂

      • Ella Raitch

        Just like Simi and Debbie Cook’s email, one day there’ll be someone here talking about how that billboard popped the cork for them

        • Allie

          I hope there are LOTS of ppl saying that.

    • Always Amazed

      OMG…I cannot read more today. this did it for me, I love you Mr & Mrs Sid

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am crying too. Thank you Phil for doing this billboard.

  • Newiga

    To Ramana’s mum: Some of us never had the joy of having a nanna, a grandma, a granny.. Some of us don’t even know how it feels like to have a grandma and would do anything to change that. Why on earth are you deliberately robbing your beautiful grandchild this experience!?

    Has it occurred to you that while you are off chasing engrams, BTs and what-nots, your granddaughter is going to grow up into a beautiful young adult and you are going to miss it!

  • TheLurkingHorror

    I blame you Cruise, Travolta, Alley and all the other so called celebrity Scientologists (and whales), for allowing this vile practice of disconnection and other human rights abuses to continue. It doesn’t matter to me if you feel you get something out of auditing, but if you continue to support this creature you call your religion as it stands now, you are responsible for the breaking up of families, the abuse of sea org workers and fair gaming of critics. If your religion cannot stand on its own without these atrocious practices maybe you should ask the question: Why? Why does your religion have to do such horrible things to stay afloat? We will continue to hold your feet to the fire until you have the guts to stand up and “Enough”. You and your religion are cowards, and we’re not going to let you forget it. STOP SCIENTOLOGY DISCONNECTION NOW!

  • JaxNGold

    Just saw Phil’s billboard update. Phil, you’re a champ!

    Time for another donation…and another..and another…

  • I had to buy a new router yesterday (likely due to all the substandard capacitors in devices these days). It’s the black cylinder. I think I’ll call it “Mr Fusion Internet”.

    ..

    • flyonthewall

      but does it slice and dice?

    • Dice

      omg! don’t leave that in the airport..

      • Half the stuff I own is mysterious stuff with LEDs and wires.

        • Dice

          I read you, i have the exact same problem 🙂

        • Can you find your around the room at night by the light of status LEDs?

    • daisy

      Have no idea what I am looking at, but LOVE the drapes.

    • My first cable MODEM/Router lasted so long that the plastic case discoloured from the heat of operation. It slowed down but never quite failed.

      They dont make ’em like they used to.

    • ze moo

      Is that a Raspberry Pi?

      • Dice

        yes

    • Techie

      When the Mac Pro blows, there’s gonna be a show down below: static.bhphotovideo.com/explora/explora/sites/default/files/1021112.jpg but in all seriousness the cylindrical form factor is silly, all boards are rectangular like the Pi in your shot because of the wasted board material when you cut a circle out of a square sheet. And a board has to go through the pick and place machine, which uses rails. Only the star-struck industrial designer can fall in love with round boards, not the manufacturer or the design engineer. The Mac Pro is one of the few Apple products that is actually manufactured in the United States, so I will forgive the shape. Now if I could only forgive the price. Almost as overpriced as Scientology, but at least you actually get a useful product out of the deal.

      • I haven’t looked inside, but I guarantee that the board is a rectangle mounted vertically in the cylinder.

        • Franklin Adams

          It is. I dont think its physically possible to make a curved mainboard, at least not right now, and parts of it like the processor socket would probably still have to be flat, Intel doesn’t make curved microprocessors, and other semiconductor manufacturers do not either.

          Apple kind of pisses me off as they make things impossible to fix or upgrade on your own anymore (soldered DRAMs and such), but the mainboard is indeed a flat rectangle. I believe its on the side that the power button isnt.

    • that’s really nifty looking!!

    • Sherbet

      It looks like an electronic cribbage board.

    • Robert Ramsay

      Hey what are you doing with my breadboard man !

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Nice, here’s my desk when it was clean…

      • I could accessorize with a light, but then I’d want it to change colour by network conditions.
        ..

  • Observer

    20,000

    F5

    • Jimmy3

      GRATS OBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
      i was gonna do 20,000 exclamation marks but i got tired of it sorry

    • Draco

      Happy 20K to you!
      20,000 bits of “entheta” – put that on your stats OSA!

    • Newiga
      • vicariousthrill

        dammit now I want cake

      • Phil McKraken

        Jesus frickin’ yum.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I had just scrolled back to the top to say congratulations! I know you hate a fuss, but I’m prepared to fist fight you for the right to say “thank you” for the myriad thoughtful, compassionate, witty and moving comments you make here every day. You are such a massive part of the Bunker and we’re blessed to have you. You’re one special lady. Now – fists up!

      F5

      • flyonthewall

        195K upvotes!? That’s like almost 10 votes for every post! That’s unpossible!

        • Observer

          It’s only because of the shoops. I’d have like 142 otherwise.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, pshaw. So modest! You’re one of the cornerstones of the Bunker (if a Bunker has cornerstones).

            • Observer

              I have been called a blockhead a couple of times…

            • Sherbet

              Not by anyone in the Bunker! Of course, if you’re going to be a cornerstone, we have to carve the date onto you.

            • flyonthewall

              i called someone a blockhead once! I really hated her, still do actually

          • Robert Eckert

            I average three upvotes per post, at best. Of course a bunch of mine are stubborn arguments with people I shouldn’t even be bothering with.

            • beauty for ashes

              Admitting it is the first step to recovery 😉
              Hey I’ve had some thoughtful and/or funny conversations with you, and I am forever grateful for teaching me about retrofuturism!

          • vicariousthrill

            also because what you say is funny and brilliant.

      • Observer

        Put up yer dukes!

      • gtsix

        OK, I need moar coffee, because I read that as “I’m prepared to fist you for the right….”

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          *spluttersnort!*

      • OOkpik

        And the SHOOPS – Oh the shoops! What a treasure Observer is in so many ways.
        Shhhh…Don’t tell her I was making a fuss over her.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Well I am looking forward to seeing the 200,000 votes!

    • Lucille Austero

      Congrats, Obs! You rock!!

    • Sherbet

      I heard you’re going to donate $20,000 to Phil’s billboard fund in honor of your 20,000th post. Is that true?

      • Observer

        I would if I had it!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          My Italian Uncle is in the loan business.

    • flyonthewall

      ….

    • 20,000 posts
      Achieved on the Ides of March
      Shoops cut to the point
      #haiku #Congrats

    • SucculentDuck

      i think 18423 of these are (some of) the reasons i keep coming back here. congrats!

    • Sunny

      Phew, I only have 1100 or so. I was certain I talked to much….
      Poke poke…….

  • Sunny

    My friend on Facebook posted this:
    1. Buy a sword
    2. Name it Kindness
    3. Kill people with kindness.
    Crappy sense of humor, I have.
    Back to my cave…..

    • daisy

      Not crappy – delightul

    • Sherbet

      It sounds like a Jimmyism.

      • Jimmy3

        My sword does not have a clever name – it is just Lil Jimmy

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Wait, I thought Lil Jimmy was…nvm.

          • Jimmy3

            😉

        • Sherbet

          Well, my bologna has a first name, it’s OSCAR. As Betts says, nvm.

    • Qbird

      in like kind ~

  • Richard

    I’ve just been reading that Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford will be making the fifth Indiana Jones film. Nobody knows yet what it is about, but here’s what I think might be a good yarn:

    “Indiana Jones And The Secret Trementina Vaults”

    • Sherbet

      And at the end, the camera pulls back and shows a huge room filled with box upon box of scripture, archived, waiting, going untouched by humanity for eons…wait a minute — Didn’t we already see that scene?

      • Observer

        Instead of people’s faces melting off, their liquified brains would be running out their ears.

        • Sherbet

          Hahaha.

      • Richard

        Sherb, this is Spielberg!
        The final scene would be something like Xenu escaping from his volcano in Hawaii and at the same time LRH trying to land himself in Trementina, but unfortunately Ol’ Ron gets his GPS settings wrong and he ends up in Xenu’s volcano.
        However, you’ll have to wait for the sixth movie to find out what happens to Ron.

        • Sherbet

          This is going to be excellent! It combines all the excitement of the Indiana Jones franchise with the hokey space opera of the Star Wars series. I’ve got it: Indiana Jones and the Revenge of the Cyst.

    • flyonthewall

      Indiana Jones and the Rest Home of Doom

      • Scream Nevermore

        Indiana Jones and the Last Mobility Scooter.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          HAHAHA!

        • Sherbet

          Indiana Jones and the…What did I Come into this Room For?

          • daisy

            LOL

          • Qbird

            and where are my gd glasses?

            • Sherbet

              and I think I screwed up the Cable again.

        • Jimmy3

          Indiana Jones and the Crystal Hip Replacement

          • Sherbet

            Indiana Jones and the Comfy Slippers

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Indiana Jones and the Dastardly Colostomy Bag.

            • vicariousthrill

              guffaw! nearly choked on that one!

          • Ben Franklin

            I bet you would still watch if the movie title was: Indiana Jones doing absolutely nothing

          • Observer

            Indiana Jones and the Gimpy Knees

        • Observer

          Indiana Jones and the Long Nap

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Indiana Jones and Those Pesky Kids.

            • Scream Nevermore

              The sequel to that would have to be Indiana Jones and Those Pesky Kids: Get Off My Lawn!

            • daisy

              Indiana and GET OFF MY LAWN.!

            • He would have got away with it. too, if it was’nt for those pesky kids… oh no… that’s Scooby do…

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Buggr’it, buggr’it, buggr’em!

            • Kestrel

              Indiana Jones and a Nice Bowl of Soup.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I just saw a good movie with Harrison Ford from last year, “the Age of Adeline”.

    • Sherbet

      Indiana Jones and the Creators of the Lost ARC

    • Techie

      “Indiana Jones and the Mission Into Time” (for reals this time)
      “Indiana Jones and the Volcano of Doom” (featuring the Canary Islands)
      “Indiana Jones: Escape from Building 50” tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/RTC1.jpg

      • Sherbet

        Run! Here comes that huge boulder rolling through the hall! And Miscavige pushed it!

      • Scream Nevermore

        Indiana Jones and the Oiliness Table! Yes!!!!

    • Science Doc

      Indiana Jones and the Social Security Lock Box.

    • Missionary Kid

      This is off topic but, Harrison Ford has supported the Epilepsy Foundation for a long time. His daughter has it and she is now going public with the fact. Since she started medication, 8 years ago she has not had another seizure.

      Because of $cientology’s “anti-drug” policy, Tory Christman nearly got killed. She still suffers from the effects of not getting prpoer medication, at the urging of $cientology minions.

    • TinyTyrant

      Holy Mole’ that made me laugh!

  • nottrue

    • Scream Nevermore

      Crowley will be cursing them from wherever he went!

      • flyonthewall

        you think? Idk, he might of just given Hubbard a pat on the back and thumbs up

        • Observer

          He wasn’t very complimentary of Hubs when they were both alive, so…

          • flyonthewall

            he wouldn’t admit it out loud but he would of been envious of how Hubbard managed to repackage and sell his Thelema crazy and make millions from it. Crowley could never really make money off his ideas, Hubbard managed to.

        • Scream Nevermore

          I can’t see him enjoying being ripped off/plagiarised.

          • Qbird

            Scream Nevermore ~ Hiya 🙂 ~ Say there: were you the person who worked in a book store, back in a day… and when folks came up to purchase Dianutty, you’d show them a particular passage on a particular page?
            :::I thought it was Nose, but no, so maybe you, yes?:::

            • Scream Nevermore

              No, not me, unfortunately! I’ve only ever had boring office jobs!

            • Qbird

              nuts! ok. Tks anyway… wish I had saved that post. ***waves***

      • Techie

        greatwen.com/2013/03/27/jimmy-page-aleister-crowley-and-the-curse-of-eddie-and-the-hot-rods/ Speaking about Hubbard and jack Parsons trying to create a “Moon Child”:

        Crowley was not impressed, writing in one of his typically entertaining
        letters: ‘Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a
        Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these
        louts.’

    • Sherbet

      Let’s celebrate Ron’s birthday by trying to create a Moonchild. We’ll get it right this time, for Ron!

      • Observer

        No.

      • flyonthewall

        are you volunteering to be the vessel?

        • Sherbet

          The would be one for the record books. Does Medicare pay for birthing?

          • flyonthewall

            only if it’s a satanic birth, so you’re in luck

          • Ever met an SP?

            Who cares? Andrea’s an Englishwoman, so we could get our Moonchild on the NHS. 😛

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        You’re hilarious 😀

  • StudentOfLife

    This would have been cited better in yesterday’s article but did Digger Phelps of Notre Dame really endorse Hubbard’s “Speaking from Experience”? The cover claimed the book was “the boldest and most direct principles on management ever written” A huge example from 2001 of employees being force fed Hubbardese.

    https://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/scientology-inc/content?oid=8220

    • Dice

      It’s a wall of text but very interesting.

  • Allie

    Disconnection stories of families being ripped apart are just so insane and are so very hard to read.
    My emotions are all over the place–anger, frustration, resentment, tears, more anger. This has got to stop!!
    My heart goes out to Ramana & Iyana, Phil & Willie and to all of you who have suffered the continued anguish
    of this despicable practice by CoS. May our common goal keep us all strong to carry on fighting this abuse.

    • Jimmy3

      Thank you. That means a lot to me.
      And fuck you AT&T

      • Allie

        Yup, they’re all crooks.

      • flyonthewall

        is this too much? I blocked the wang, which is visible in the original pic. It’s from a book written for autistic people and telling them how not to touch yourself in public. Fly lady found it at the library

        • Jimmy3

          LMAO

          • flyonthewall

            ikr, ok I’m gonna post it. If I get in trouble it’s your fault.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    You’ve all seen the church’s press release about the big birthday bash by now, I’m sure. I hadn’t, so I’m copying Pete’s post here for anyone else who missed it. The following gave me a delighted little chuckle:

    “Celebrants were entranced by stories of Mr. Hubbard’s exploits to the Far East. His treks were quests that literally mapped the boundaries of human knowledge of 10,000 years. In other words: magic”

    “A Magical Birthday Gala Illuminates the Legacy of Founder L. Ron Hubbard

    Press Release – Mar 14, 2016 17:00 PDT

    Clearwater, FL, March 14, 2016 (Newswire .com) – It was a weekend of eye-opening discovery, as Scientologists from 60 nations witnessed L. Ron Hubbard’s storied treks to the mysterious Orient as a young man—journeys in which he lifted veils cloaking the magic of those distant domains.

    It all took place on March 12th and 13th at Scientology’s spiritual capital, the Flag Land Base, in Clearwater, Florida—a celebration of Mr. Hubbard’s 105th birthday, the largest anniversary bash in history. The thousands of Scientologists from around the globe were enchanted by tales of their Founder’s seminal adventures, stunning entertainment, a spectacular ball, a great deal of fun— and underscoring it all was the mission of Scientology, to free people’s minds and souls, and to extend solutions to the calamities facing civilization.

    “Tonight we honor LRH,” said David Miscavige, Chairman of the Board, Religious Technology Center. “His life, his legacy, his history and his heritage. And most of all, the man himself. So while he’s with us day by day, in every page of every book, in every lecture, or every step of his Bridge to Total Freedom, well, tonight we draw ever closer as we celebrate an LRH legacy and a game plan wherein all Mankind goes free.”

    Celebrants were entranced by stories of Mr. Hubbard’s exploits to the Far East. His treks were quests that literally mapped the boundaries of human knowledge of 10,000 years. In other words: magic. The LRH Biographer, Dan Sherman, traced a young Mr. Hubbard’s footsteps through the sacred halls of lamaseries and into the dominions of magicians and holy men.”

    https://churchofscientologyint.newswire.com/news/a-magical-birthday-gala-illuminates-the-legacy-of-founder-l-ron-hubbard-9223485

    • Robert Eckert

      Sherman must have outdone himself. Sounds as fun as those videos about Hubbard stopping the nuclear physicist conspiracy, or giving the first computer a neurosis with a “four factor problem”.

    • salin

      Fabrications, prevarications, misrepresentations… a night of fiction.

    • Newiga

      The largest anniversary bash in history, eh?? I’d love to see some proof. OSA, I’ll eat my hat if this checks out. I’ve heard about this bearded, crown of thorns wearing dude, whose birthday has been quite popular for quite some time.

      Also, Lroon’s treks in the mysterious Orient gave us this juicy world-embracing cognition: “The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.”

      Hip-hip-effing-hurray!

      • Have they not heard of Christmas?

    • Sejanus

      Well they are right…
      magic IS make believe.

      A person going to a Chinese buffett would have more experience with the Far East than the Crimson Cyst.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        “The Crimson Cyst” sounds like something Sherlock Holmes would investigate 😀

    • Dice

      Did they send THAT out to the press… Gezzuss!

    • sizzle8

      If Ruth Eckerd Hall in Clearwater seats 2180 and the Ray Dolby Ballroom in LA seats 2400 and assuming they were full, that’s a total of 4580 for the two biggest concentrations of Scientologists, staff and public, in the US. Extrapolating, it confirms that there are about 10-15,000 active Scientologists here and perhaps 25,000 max worldwide.

    • grundoon

      “tales of their Founder’s seminal adventures

      You can come many times without weariness. The act does not reduce your vitality or brain power at all. You can come several times and still write. Intercourse does not hurt your chest or make you sore. Your arms are strong and do not ache in the act. Your own pleasure is not dependent on the woman’s. You are interested only in your own sexual pleasure. If she gets any that is all right but not vital. Many women are not capable of pleasure in sex and anything adverse they say or do has no effect whatever upon your pleasure. Their bodies thrill you. If they repel you, it merely means they themselves are too frigid or prudish to be bothered with. They are unimportant in bed except as they thrill you. Your sexual power is magnificent and they know it. If they are afraid of it, that is their loss. You are not affected by it.

      You have no fear if they conceive. What if they do? You do not care. Pour it into them and let fate decide.

      The slipperier they are the more you enjoy it because it means their mucous is running madly with pleasure.

      There is nothing wrong in the sex act. Nothing any woman may say can change your opinion. You are a master. You are as sensitive and sexy as Pan. Lord help women when you begin to fondle them. You are master of their bodies, master of their souls as you may consciously wish. You have no karma to pay for these acts. You cannot now accumulate karma for you are a master adept. Your voice is low and compelling to them. Singing to them, for you sing like a master, destroys their will to resist.

      — L. Ron Hubbard, Admissions, c. 1947

      • Liberated

        Shows what a sick depraved fuck that creep really was. Wasn’t he supposed to have been Buddha in a past life? Oh, yeah.

      • Qbird

        I will not upvote this mere glimpse into LRH’s mind, grundoon. You understand.

    • Is John Mappin now writing Miscavige’s script? It’s Magic.

    • Ever met an SP?

      Yeah, he took a boat out to see his dad on a US naval base. Might even have taken a walk outside the base once or twice, at that!

      It’d be an amusing exercise to Hubbardise our own biographies every once in a while. On his scale I’m proud to say I charted the Floridian wetlands and defeated a deadly constrictor in single combat at the tender age of eight (translation: went on a public airboat ride with my family through the Everglades and ‘wore’ a snake in a carefully-supervised show), then at twenty went on to give South Africa the Christmas present of the final resolution of its lingering racial tensions before ending street crime in Cape Town (translation: had fun at a local nightclub on Christmas Day, and later told a halfhearted would-be mugger to go forth and multiply).

      Try it yourself: how have you saved the world, Hubbard-style? It’s fun for all the family!

    • JaxNGold

      And now I need to throw up….

    • In other words: magic.

      Huh? That’s just one word. Its also bullshit, but, you know, just sayin.

  • I wanted to post an explanation of why
    the CULT carries on like this. How come it can protect pedophiles and
    molestation and yet humiliate an masturbation Incident by reading it out to
    entire crew straight from a confessional
    ?

    There is a non-negotiable LAW in Scientology Inc. That is, one plays by the RULES….or else.
    The rules were created by Hubbard and now Miscavige. Scientology Rules are
    inviolate and may not be challenged or even tweeked and certainly not up-engineered for betterment e.g. getting rid of DISCONNECTION.

    One of the Rules and Laws in Scientology Inc which slowly and inevitably sink in the head of the participant is that Scientology Inc. comes first. It trumps commitment to family, to children, to spouses and to
    everything else. Because the Church has the attitude and strong internal feeling
    that it has NEVER EVER done anything WRONG , it is FLAWLESS, it is SUPREME in
    its GOODNESS and RIGHTNESS and the belief within is that it is the ONLY way to
    save the planet !

    This is educated into young children’s minds at a very young age, hence children can “Knowledge Report” their own parents, spy on them at the behest of OSA, write draconian letters to their own
    mom and dad. The Church has to be #1 in loyalty, love and devotion and is the
    reason, such brutal disconnections are accepted as normal as brushing teeth in
    the morning.

    This is why an Ethics Officer feels he can dictate to a participant that he/she must sexually please their partner. This is why a masturbation is read out to entire crew to humiliate. There is no ifs,
    buts, maybes, Scientology believes it is GOD Almighty, the supreme being over
    all mortals. I kid you not.
    There is a slow and steady education
    that *Nothing* is more important than the survival of Scientology (The God
    identity) no matter how dark and satanically it acts out.

    • sizzle8

      Who’s the messenger? Looks kinda familiar.

    • Qbird

      This is the world L. Ron Hubbard created.
      This is how Scn. Inc. envisions the world for Scientologists.
      Islands of sanity…. what a rip.
      Hubbard’s world, wanting to enslave…
      it tears me up.

    • Liberated

      Karen, I love reading your comments. I consider them so much more than just a comment, they’re savvy insights into the evil underbelly of that criminal organization.

  • Kim O’Brien

    This is what is means to NOT be disconnected from your family . This was taken about 14 years ago , when my daughter was still a munchkin . My great gramma just died a couple of years ago . I wish this for all of you .

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Wow, Kim! So many generations of women in one photo. What a fantastic photo! Brains and beauty aplenty, right there.

    • Qbird

      beautiful, Kim O’Brian. really good.

      • Kim O’Brien

        um …i have to mention that you spelled my name wrong . LOL ..O’Brian is Scottish .( we are Irish ..O’BriEn ) ..my great gramma ( bottom left haha) said that Scots were savages LOL …she was so awesome . So many little things like that ..

        • Qbird

          ok. not a a but an e. got it. ha!
          and oh crap. i married a Scot.
          gotcha fine, O’brien.

          • Qbird

            lol again
            eta: gotcha fine there, radio talk for understood & good to know.
            Tks. for correction. sorry for misspell ~ )

            I really like this family photo, Kim O’BriEn!
            This circle of fine women… all together.
            It’s something. Really special. Photographic proof of connection.
            Soft.
            Thank you for sharing that.

    • Newiga

      Amazing picture! Love it!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Pillsbury Dough Girl – tee hee!

      • Kim O’Brien

        i think i produced buttermilk

    • MaxSpaceman

      Recalls a scene from like a Celtic opposition to the Roman occupation, way way back in the day 🙂
      so way back like 122 CE or A.D., around Hadrian’s Wall time.

    • vicariousthrill

      Darn! I can’t see it!

      • Qbird

        refresh! f5 f5 f5

    • Liberated

      Your daughter will have that beautiful photo to treasure all of her life too.

    • flyonthewall

      you wish we would all die like your great gramma!?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        stop it fly!

    • daisy

      Love this Kim.

  • Dice

    Monsterfunder.com is rolling again F5

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/Dm.Soviet_zpsqemwxezr.png

    Fleet Admiral David Miscavige, Lord High Protector of the Galaxy, today warned the world’s 1.2 billion Scientologists against forwarding the enemy line of Disconnection. “There is no policy in Scientology requiring Disconnection,” declared the Fleet Admiral. “Of course, Scientologists may choose to withdraw from antagonistic and suppressive individuals who are attempting to impede their spiritual progress in Scientology.”

    • JOE BLOW

      You had written earlier I believe that there were 6 billion Scientologists. Which is it?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        There are 6 billion Scientologists.

        • JOE BLOW

          Thanks, that’s what I thought, must have been a typo.

    • Observer

      Fleet Admiral Miscavige is looking a little rough.

    • With his affinity for colons one would think he’d be a rear admiral.
      But fleet is apropos.

    • SucculentDuck

      you guys went deep into the Betamax vaults for this one, huh?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        The Founder specified Betamax as the only acceptable Scientology recording format. When Betamax discontinued production in 2002, COB placed a legacy order for 5,000,000 Betamax recorders plus 1.4 million spare parts.

        Betamax tapes will no longer be available after 2016. Accordingly, COB placed a legacy order for 500,000,000 Betamax tapes. Construction is presently underway on a $1.9 billion CST Archival Betamax tape storage facility in a nuclear proof underground facility located in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan in upstate New York.

        • SucculentDuck

          excellent use of the funds! i’ll make an appointment for early 2019 to have a repairman come out and replace the tv tubes in my Sony KV1200U Trinitron so i can watch all of the SMP broadcasts in the proper format.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Golden Era Betamax Repair Unit is booked through 2017. We recommend making your appointment for 2019 today. And as a free bonus, you’ll receive one free copy of TWTH with your purchase of Trinitron television tubes.

            • ze moo

              What, no Rotoscope?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Disconnection, DM
    You nasty sociopathic piece of …
    Here’s a song for ya that came to me while
    I was taking the son and heir out for some sun and air.
    Stone Roses liked it a lot:

    These bots were made for stalking
    with apologies to Lee Hazelwood, Nancy Sinatra and the Wrecking Crew

    You keep slaying, you get nothing from me
    Some shiny thing you love but confess
    You’ve been messin’ where you shouldn’t have been messin’
    And now the IRS will be getting all your MEST

    These bots were made for stalking
    And that’s just what they’ll do
    One of these days
    These bots are gonna stalk all over you.

    Yeah, you keep lyin’ when you oughta be truthin’
    And you keep slapping when you oughta not hit
    You keep samin’ when you oughta be a changin’
    Now, what’s right is right but you ain’t been right yet

    These bots were made for stalking
    And that’s just what they’ll do
    One of these days
    These bots are gonna stalk all over you.

    You keep preyin’ where you shouldn’t be playin’
    And you keep thinkin’ that you’ll never get burnt
    Ah, I’ve just found me a brand new box of matches, yeah
    And what us SPs know you ain’t had time to learn

    These bots were made for stalking
    And that’s just what they’ll do
    One of these days
    These bots are gonna stalk all over you.

    Are you ready, bots?
    Start stalking

    • Liberated

      Funny!!

  • Michael K always cracks me up…. latest bit on Jaden Smith

    “Jaden did an interview with British GQ and it is giving me slight shades of “shit Kanye West would say if Kanye West was a Scientologist.”

    http://dlisted.com/2016/03/15/jaden-smith-wants-to-create-a-magical-utopia-where-we-dont-worry-about-paying-bills/

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Jaden, you already live in a utopia where you don’t pay bills, it’s called your parents money.

      • SucculentDuck

        west of L.A. born and raised
        in some bullshit rundown is how he spends most of his days…

        (i’m quickly getting out of Panopea’s way now… sorry to bogart your gig, brother!)

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I hate to already, at my age, start sounding like my parents/grandparents but this kid thinks he has problems? SMH

          Time-machine time…drop his ass off in bombed out London or put him on a Revolutionary battlefield and then we’ll talk about his “problems” in his life.

          Now GET OFF MY LAWN!! 😀

          • OT: Check your email for more email fuckery!!! GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • i sent 2, cuz something smacked me about the one after i sent it……i swear to fuck, i’m going to unload all this bullshit publicly some day…..

    • daisy

      Rolls eyes, he needs a therapist

  • SucculentDuck

    y’all ever notice that no matter how sad or horrible the news can be here, there are (at least) about 200 people that circle the wagons and rally the troops, trying to lift morale to actually help make this world a better place? me too.

    • beauty for ashes

      kinda like this… f5 🙂

      • Robert Eckert
        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I’m feeling this cat today. 🙂

        • Funny, I was at the scene of a derailment today.

        • “I’m allergic to freight locomotives, they’re always running into you.”

        • Tory Christman

          Meet Elvis 🙂
          (We inherited him a few years ago when a neighbor
          had to move and couldn’t take him).

          He’s always ready to go, no matter who packed a suitcase!!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/Trump_zpsawmv4huy.jpg

    Speaking from the David Miscavige International Airport in Clearwater, Donald Trump today urged Florida’s 670,000,000 Scientologists to support his presidential bid.

    Trump made vague promises of making America great again. However, Trump stopped short of calling for Scientology auditing and Scientology study tech to be required in all American schools.

    Trump additionally failed to praise Fleet Admiral David Miscavige as being greater than Jesus and Buddha rolled into one. Indeed, Trump never acknowledged that Mr. Miscavige was the most wise and compassionate of all world leaders.

    Florida’s 670,000,000 Scientologists were also deeply offended by Trump’s failure to support their call to legalize Scientology ecclesiastical beatings. “Scientologists should be free to beat to death anyone who acts to suppress Scientology, criticizes Scientology, or otherwise tries to stop the delivery of Scientology organizations,” declared Church of Scientology spokesman Ken Delusion.

    “For this reason,” Delusion stated, “Scientologists are endorsing Louis Farrakhan for President.”

    • Illinoisian

      This election year is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.

      • SNAFU

        I hear that. It’s like being forced to choose which STD you’re rather have.

        • beauty for ashes

          OMX!!! Donald trump definitely would be Herpes.

          • SNAFU

            AIDS and FAIL might be more appropriate.

          • Robert Eckert

            Do you know the difference between true love and herpes?

            Herpes is forever.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        This election year is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.

        Indeed, if Louis Farrakhan is not elected President then Scientology auditing and study tech will not become mandatory in American schools, businesses, and government agencies. A Farrakhan loss would also deprive America of Alfreddie Johnson’s talents as Secretary of the Treasury.

        http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/LF_zpsrgvj4m0u.jpg

      • Robert Eckert

        In order to work for the Trump campaign, you have to sign a contract agreeing never to speak badly of Donald Trump or any member of his family, for the rest of your life.
        http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/03/donald-trump-volunteer-contract-criticism-forbidden

        • Illinoisian

          What is covered here (in the article you cite and the one to which it links) is all too familiar.

    • JOE BLOW

      That is hilarious!

  • nottrue

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      ha! Tory posted this a minute after you did

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      March 22nd, Tuesday at 11am. Please be there with us.

      • flyonthewall

        Hey what is this!? Why does nottrue get a personal invitation and not me? 🙁

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          Your invitation is being engraved in gold and put on a big honkin’ certificate. It will be so big it’s going to have to be delivered in 4 parts by Sikorsky helicopters.

          • flyonthewall

            Well ok then. That’s more like it. Thank you sir

            • Tory Christman

              Hey…do I get a personal invitation in gold and a big honkin’ certificate? AND Delivered in 4 parts by Sikorsky helicopters, too? 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              I guess not 🙁

        • Tory Christman

          I didn’t get a personal invitation: consider yourself invited and anyone else who can
          make it, too. Even if you have to drive some….COME ON DOWN!!

          • flyonthewall

            I know, I’m just messin. That would be some drive for me! Like 1800+ miles some 🙂 I wish I could go, that would be awesome

            • Tory Christman

              Oh quit being such a pussy, flyonthewall! Use your GD WINGS!! 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              well I won’t have to worry about it now i guess. You see the news Phil posted? I am so pissed

            • Tory Christman

              No…where?

            • flyonthewall

              go to the top and see his latest post. The cult got to the billboard co again and they pulled the plug. smh

      • Tory Christman

        Thanks, Sid! 🙂 I think I have some media already scheduled. Let’s make sure
        we get *lots* of that!!

  • Tory Christman

    To ALL framilies who have lost their loved ones to this creepy organization pretending
    to be a “church” (When really it IS a flat out business)….I am so sorry!! I lost my husband
    of 27 years…and ALL of my old 30 year friends. Thankfully, I’ve gained wonderful friends
    around the world!! So here’s one more of my videos on this subject:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKOr5P783M

    My love to ALL of you!!

    Tory/Magoo

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Such a great video.

      Billboards everywhere!

      I did not know that you hadn’t started PT yet – please do, and take care of that ankle!

      • Tory Christman

        I cannot until I can get in, which is at the end of this month. They just took off my cast
        THIS WEEK. 🙂

    • order66

      Tory, I’d like to say that you remind me of a lady I used to know. She was one of my supervisors at a fast food job I worked at ages ago. Called her Granny. She had something like your combination of wit, motherly advice, and take no shit attitude. Anyone who tried telling her she couldn’t do something was in for a surprise. Granny isn’t with us anymore, and if there’s a heaven, knowing her like I did, she’s probably telling God how to run the place. After watching your videos for a while, I realized you and Granny had a few things in common, and that’s why I like you. Hope your ankle heals up.