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Jon Atack: The ‘Getting Clear’ conference and L. Ron Hubbard’s lies about his life

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

We’re getting pretty excited about the weeklong seminar Jon is putting on in Toronto later this month. He decided to give us an idea of some of the material that’s going to be covered on the first day…

JON: Let me give a foretaste of the first session at our Toronto seminar, later this month. After quickly introducing myself, I will turn to the true life and times of Lafayette Ronald Hubbard.

I left the mother cult of Scientology with my beliefs intact. I was sure that Hubbard was either dead or incapacitated; that hostile forces had taken over. I really believed in the Tech. I was ‘OT V’ and a Class II auditor. I had also taken the Data Series Evaluator’s Course.

When I left, and for a few weeks, I was willing to believe that the Guardian’s Office had simply gone rogue; that Hubbard would have been appalled at the systematic criminality of Branch One. So, because I was willing to speak out and take a stand, I found myself at the centre of the independent movement in the UK. I should also add that Branch One continued to operate in the person of Myles Mellor (who had simply been moved to RTC, I was told) and Peter Stumbke, so the new management only removed Mo Budlong as director and then it was business as usual.

As a member, I had absorbed the myth of L. Ron Hubbard without question. He was an explorer and a nuclear physicist who had studied with gurus in Tibet, India, and China; he was a wounded and decorated war hero, “crippled and blinded,” who had cured his wounds by developing a “science of mental health.” Although I had (and have) never seen any demonstration of supernatural “OT” powers, I still believed that the “Bridge to Total Freedom” would eventually allow us all to leave our bodies at will and “operate” without the need of such physical encumbrance. I was a true believer.

A few weeks after I left, a wonderful New Zealander called John Hanson turned up on my doorstep. He gave me an 18-inch stack of documents that had been given to him by Boston attorney Michael Flynn. He said that it was too much for him to take in, so I might as well have it.

I didn’t sleep again until I’d read that stack of documents. Most of them had been collected by Michael Linn Shannon, who had already disappeared (I’d still like to thank him for his remarkable researches, if anyone knows where he disappeared to). Here were public record documents about Hubbard that conflicted with his grand claims. For instance, a transcript from George Washington University showing that Hubbard had never studied “nuclear physics” and had failed his class in “atomic and molecular physics” (he confirmed the title of this class in the first edition of Self-Analysis, in 1951). He had been suspended for poor scholarship.

I’ve met many people whose knee-jerk reaction is simply to dismiss documents as forgeries. I was more sKeptical, so I looked for consistency and I found it, by comparing Hubbard’s own statements with the record, and the accounts of others.

Over the years, I collected and read a mass of documentation: Hubbard’s complete Navy records; his father’s Navy records; Hubbard’s Veterans Administration and FBI records. These papers alone came to over 2,000 pages.

I added records from the Montana Historical Society; traced the Blackfoot Indian reservations; checked the Navy records with an officer who had served at the same time as Hubbard (along the way disproving the cult’s hired expert, Fletcher Prouty’s assertion that the records had been “sheep-dipped,” and the claim that Hubbard had served in “Naval Intelligence”). We also checked all of the medals Hubbard claimed.

Russell Miller found the logs of the ship that took a young Hubbard and Commander “Snake” Thompson through the Panama Canal, in 1923. Between us, we interviewed over a hundred people who had known Hubbard, including his aunt; a school friend; his daughter by his first marriage; fellow pulp authors and others who recollected his feats as a hypnotist (by his own admission, he practised hypnosis for more than 20 years before Dianetics); early Dianeticists and Sea Org members. Few biographers have access to so many who have known their subject.

I was given copies of the documents exhibited in the Armstrong case, made during the brief period when the court seal was lifted. These included three of his teenage diaries, which were in stark contrast to his claims to have roamed Mongolia, Tibet, and China. As I have often observed, his single comment about spiritual matters was to complain that the denizens of a Chinese lamasery sounded like “bull frogs.” He added, “The only trouble with China is that there are too many Chinks there.” He visited neither Tibet or Mongolia and spent only a few weeks in China, on holiday. He opined that the Great Wall could be turned into a “rolly-coaster.”

I was given a treasure trove of Hubbard letters to his literary agent (where he crowed about the financial possibilities of Dianetics); to Helen O’Brien, at the time head of his organization (where he crowed about the financial possibilities of the “religion angle”); and to various others. By the time I was done, I had amassed a collection of tens of thousands of pages.

Omar Garrison, who had written two pro-Scientology books before taking on the job of official biographer, visited England just to see me. He told me that he was being harassed, because when he abandoned the biography, he had refused to return the documents provided to him by Gerry Armstrong. He felt that he needed to keep these scandalous records to ensure his own safety. He showed me a copy of the Blood Ritual, a magical ceremony dedicated to the goddess Hathor, in Hubbard’s hand writing.

But, what if the conspiracy theorists were right? Perhaps these tens of thousands of pages had all been carefully forged. The World Bank Conspiracy, the Tenyaka Memorial, the Illuminati – whichever grand conspiracy Hubbard’s followers choose to believe in – had spent years undermining the history of the great man to stop his world-saving technology from breaking the psychiatric grip on Planet Earth.

One of my first tasks was to establish the record according to Hubbard himself. As a member, I had read a few of his biographies and in reading his books and listening to about 150 lectures, I had heard many claims, but I had never taken the time to compare those claims.

I hunted out 24 biographies published by Scientology, almost all of them copyrighted to Hubbard. I wanted to know to what extent the documentation conflicted with these biographies. I soon discovered that no two biographies gave the same information. Furthermore, they were riddled with impossible contradictions.

Some tales were evidently fanciful. So, Hubbard claimed to have been riding “broncos” – untamed horses – at the age of “three-an-a-half” (Hubbard’s notes for biographer Peter Tompkins; repeated in Flag Divisional Directive 69RA, Facts About L Ron Hubbard – Things You Should Know).

Simple matters of fact were at odds. His ridiculous claim to have been a “blood brother” of the Blackfoot Pikune people was made with different ages appended. In one tale, he was two when he joined a Pikune war dance (Answers to some biographical questions provided from So 1 lines, 23 August 1975); others have him aged either four or six years.

It was the contradictions that proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that Hubbard was an unregenerate liar, a fabulist who fictionalised his own life, while insisting that ‘SANITY is basically HONESTY and TRUTH.’ (emphasis in the original, WORD CLEARING OCAs, HCOB 24 February 1972).

I usually give the most extreme example of Hubbard’s frequent contradictions, and today will be no exception. In My Philosophy, hand-written in 1965, and for years on display at Saint Hill Manor, Hubbard said: “Blinded with injured optic nerves and lame with physical injuries to hip and back at the end of World War II I faced an almost non-existent future. My service record states ‘this officer has no neurotic or psychotic tendencies of any kind whatsoever’ but it also states ‘permanently disabled physically.'” (For the sake of accuracy, his service record makes neither statement.)

In Mission Into Time, it is claimed that Hubbard was “crippled and blinded” in 1944. The words “crippled and blinded” are used in at least seven other biographies. However, in a 1957 lecture, republished as a Professional Auditor’s Bulletin, Communication and Isness, Hubbard said: “Well, sometime early in 1945 I flunked my overseas examination. Well, I crawled around and felt sorry for myself, and the fact of it was that the Judo instructor there at the hospital brought up the idea that there was a shortage of people in the war – there was. So he kept up my training for me. I think it was July 25th that I went down to Hollywood and three sailors with Petty Officers’ ratings accosted me on the street. They were drunk. They were out to kill officers. And the three of them tied into me. An unbelievable thing happened. One of them turned me around facing him while the second one took a heavy beer bottle to bring it down on my skull. I took the fellow, who brought the beer bottle down, threw him over my head into this fellow, who went down and hit the side of a bumper. The beer bottle hit the pavement, broke the end off, and the other fellow reared up where he had been sitting on the running board of a car, and I put it in his face. That’s what you are trained to do.”

World War II ended on 14 August 1945. How is it possible that in the 19 days following 25 July, while serving in California, Hubbard had become “Blinded with injured optic nerves and lame with physical injuries to hip and back” and “permanently disabled physically”? At the end of July, he was cheerfully glassing petty officers or chucking them over his head. He admits that he had “flunked” his overseas examination, so any injury to his optic nerves, his hip or his back must have taken place in the United States, somewhere between Hollywood and Oak Knoll Naval Hospital.

This is compounded by a statement made by Hubbard in a 1950 interview with Look magazine, where he said that his disabilities consisted of “ulcers, conjunctivitis, deteriorating eyesight, bursitis and something wrong with my feet.” This statement is worthy of pause, because, apart from the bit about his feet, his Navy record confirms it completely. He was treated for ulcers with barbiturate drugs (phenobarbital, to which he admitted addiction in a 15 June 1950 lecture, Case Factors: Paralleling the Mind), although X-rays failed to find any ulcer crater; his eyesight was deteriorating (though only according to chart tests, which are completely subjective); he had bursitis and “pink eye”; but no mention of the wounds for which he would later claim to have received two purple hearts. It is an insult to those who have been awarded decorations for valor that Hubbard made such claims.

I had the privilege of working with Russell Miller on his excellent biography of Hubbard, Bare-faced Messiah, from the outset and right through the litigation. Among his material was a copy of my original manuscript for A Piece of Blue Sky (called Hubbard Through the Looking Glass in his bibliography). He crafted a fine and accurate biography. My concern had been to show the conflict and contradiction in Hubbard’s statements, as well as the bombast and exaggeration.

At Toronto, I will offer more detail, in concert with my dear friend, the creator of the Hubbard Archive, Gerry Armstrong.

If you can’t make it, don’t worry, we intend to live stream. Hopefully, some of the die-hard believers once shown the evidence will finally realize the remarkable extent of Hubbard lies and reconsider their trust in him. Let’s face it, if you can’t trust any of the claims of the Source of Scientology, then you certainly can’t trust the claims made for Scientology “Tech.” As the Old Man of the Sea Org said: “Scientology is the road to truth and he who would follow it must take true steps.”

It is abundantly clear that Scientology is actually a road of deception that leads to devotion to Ron Hubbard rather than enlightenment of any kind. There are no Clears; there are no OTs. The “self-determism” that Hubbard claimed to be the end of Scientology is actually “Ron-determinism,” necessitating agreement with every thought that Hubbard expressed.



Karen de la Carriere: New harassment coming in some strange forms

Karen explains how some new attempts by the Church of Scientology to disrupt her life have been arriving in unexpected ways, and how she’s handling it.



Bonus photos from our tipsters

Actual Tampa org caption: “Super well done to our amazing Qualifications Secretary, Israel Lopez!! He just attested to the State of Clear!!!!!! We are so happy you made it here and so proud of you!! Congrats on your new State!!”


Queens dentist Bernard Fialkoff (father to the glamorous Meghan Fialkoff) held a summit of some kind with some Dominican leaders in New York for a the Foundation for a Drug-Free World…


Even more staff training in South Texas… “Our P.E.S, Ernesto, finished Student Hat and did his Staff Status again..Our staff are constantly getting trained to bring you the best possible service!”


The Way to Happiness in Madrid…


Here’s the really sad thing — we have a feeling Caitlyn and Grant would actually get along…


Alex Gibney’s tweet from Sydney, showing that 2,300 packed the house for the premiere of “Going Clear” — which means that more people saw this film on its first screening than there are Scientologists in the entire country of Australia. Think about it.





NEW: Reader Sookie put together an index for The Unbreakable Miss Lovely and we’re hosting it here on the website.

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page.

Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

June 11: New York City (with Paulette Cooper) 5:30 to 7 pm. Private book party. If you’ve contacted us already, you’ll get venue information soon.

June 20: Chicago (with Christian Stolte) The Annoyance Theater, 5pm: This event is SOLD OUT.

June 22: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper) Toronto Public Library, 40 Orchard View Blvd, 7:30 pm, sponsored by the Centre for Inquiry-Canada

June 23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper) The “Getting Clear” conference

June 28: Clearwater, Florida (with Paulette Cooper) Clearwater Public Library, 2 pm, sponsored by Center for Inquiry-Tampa Bay

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry (with Paulette Cooper)

July 14: Hartford, MARK TWAIN HOUSE (with Tom Tomorrow)

August 4: London (with John Sweeney)

September 16: Arizona State University


Posted by Tony Ortega on June 6, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
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  • Always Amazed

    The Grant Cardone shoop is Epic, kudos to the artist.

  • nottrue

    No photoshopping here…

    • Mymy88

      Wow, that’s impressive!

    • Techie

      2300, capacity crowd, they used to do a little more than that at the Shrine in the ’90s for an “International Event” but that was only by packing the balcony with staff members. Today they don’t even bother renting the Shrine, even with staff they can’t make it look like anything but the ghost town it is. And when you consider that this turnout was voluntary, not promoted by crash regging for weeks in advance, it makes quite a contrast with the poor showing that Scientology does these days.

      • Robert Hammond

        That’s more than all of Scientology’s active members worldwide.

  • PickAnotherID

    What they tried on Karen has got to be one of the stupidest ops ever. I hope you’ve got your local pizza places primed to call a verification number if they get an order for 100 pizzas to your address. That’s about what I would expect next out of these clowns.

    And I wonder if any area businesses caught them “finding” the bird, and whether it was actually injured before they found it?? Based on the way she acted, I don’t think she really cared if the bird was cared for or not. Grrrr!

    • Mymy88

      “What they tried on Karen has got to be one of the stupidest ops ever.”

      Ha ha – at first I read “What they tried on Karen has got to be one of the stupidest ooops ever.”

      However, I think it’s fair to say, the meaning comes out the same.

    • Mymy88

      I wish you would not have said what you just said about the bird. It’s freaking me out now. I never thought of that.

    • If OSA wants to believe that I just fell off the turnip truck, then I welcome them to do so 🙂 🙂

    • There’s an actual Hubbard order or advice not to mass-order pizzas.

      • PickAnotherID

        And do you think that would give DM, who gave us the ‘Squirrel Busters’, pause for even a second??

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Shame on the parents of those three beautiful young people in Madrid. If you had any sense at all, you would do everything within your power to make sure they were as far away from this sick cult as possible.

  • Snake Plissken

    I just finished watching Karen’s video about the OSA Stalker,

    Completely out of touch with reality don’t even begin to describe it.

    Is there anyone left in the cult that is playing with a full deck, or has all of that mind numbing word clearing finally turned all their brains to guacamole?

    It reminded me of this, F5

    • Cedilla

      Anna Fromaroundhere.
      Scientologists are so creative.

      • Snake Plissken

        I know, it’s like she just suffered some serious head trauma from a car accident and happened to stumbled up on the porch and began babbling nonsense.

        • Mymy88

          LOL! Nailed it.

      • Ben Franklin

        I would ask for ID first, if none is available, I would tell them to get lost.

        • Snake Plissken

          I would have just looked over my right shoulder, then I would have have looked over my left shoulder, and said … Help me out here, do you see anyone that gives a shit?

    • Thanks for reminding us about this one.
      This Girl, Anna Stilo was savagely sent to the sadistic RPF’s RPF in a highly escalating abusive punishment. Read it, for what ? For not making her stats and being “enturbulative”
      And here she is working as an OSA Operative a few years later, even after what she went through.

      • Snake Plissken

        They’re in rough shape, Hubbard left them no tools for dealing with reality, and now Miscavige is twisting the screws even tighter. When it come to dealing with people in an open environment outside of the cult’s structured role playing game they have no idea how to behave, it’s really sad, they can’t even fake it. All they know how to do is pretend to be saving mankind by fighting Hubbard’s imaginary war against his imaginary enemies. Scientology is like a Miscavige-sized version of North Korea.

      • Ruby

        The inhumanity to man and “non person” status (Anna in this case), is so obviously displayed here.
        I have had a 25 year “friend” of mine relegate me to enemy, non person status for daring to query cherch actions. No declare issue, no reports…just daring to ask questions.
        This is what “the most ethical group on the planet” does to lifelong friends.

      • Missionary Kid

        That is, indeed, a broken person.

    • Leigh Andrews

      Is it possible that she was trying to catch Marty in a zoning or homeowner’s association violation? I have no idea what zoning laws are in his area, but it would be uncommon to have a building zoned for business in what looks like a residential area. Often business buildings thzat are located in a residential area are confined to the corner of a main street and some other, and the lot has to provide sufficient parking.

      • Snake Plissken

        It would be one thing if she actually lived in the neighborhood, but someone coming from out of state to complain about a zoning violation that is cutting into her batshit crazy cult’s profits, they would laugh at her down at town hall and tell her to stop harassing their residents.

        • Leigh Andrews

          I think that it goes to desperation. They could get away with the “Squirrel Buster” nonsense if they cast themselves as something like RTC Copyright and Licensing Enforcement and didn’t appear to make it personal. Didn’tthere used to be a franchise nature to Scientology missions?

          It’s pretty easy to get a reverse directory to find out the names of the people who live nearby and write letters to City Hall or the editor of the local paper in their name? The bulk mail/presorted stamp would be a giveaway that it wasn’t the neighbors who wrote the letter, as would be an out-of-the-area cancellation, but what is the chance that the reader of the letter will see the envelope?

          I’m going to have a nice piece of chocolate now to replenish my dopamine after thinking these thoughts.

  • AnonymousConfusedPerson.
    I am going to answer your query on how Covert Data to Overt Data is employed by the Intelligence Division of the Cult.
    The Cult has made some incendiary smear hate pages on me and even a video that I was a former prostitute !
    (same thing they said about Paulette Cooper, and Hubbard said same thing about Sara ~ 2nd wife. When it all blew up between them, Hubbard put out that Sarah was a prostitute. Its in Tony’s book on Paulette.
    For the last 3 years I have been in litigation on a real estate issue (Trust Deed)
    It went to trial last month. Everything went really well. Final arguments are in written brief not oral) and we await Judge’s ruling.
    Opposing counsel already told the Judge that he could not get rid of Church Operatives who had been visiting him for 3 years feeding him stuff to destroy me and hurt my case.
    Tax exempt dollars to destroy critics. !
    But the last day was really something.
    In Chambers, opposing Counsel wanted to introduce the slime pages and hooker video on me into the Court records !!!!
    This way the Los Angeles Court records would be the *SOURCE* of what is said about me ! The Church could henceforth say…”According to Los Angeles Court records…”
    So their slime and spin and lies would have credibility.
    Their covert efforts to destroy me would become OVERT data.
    Tony O will be telling the full story in due course and video coming.
    Hope this clarifies…

    • Frodis73

      This angers me to no f’n end. MISCAVIGE!! You creepy hobbit fucktard, grow the hell up. First it’s a freaking lie, second of all, even if any of those women were prostitutes so the hell what? At least it’s 100 times more honest than anything you have ever done in your sad, pathetic, sadistic, lonely life.

      • Snake Plissken

        I can’t wait to see him in an orange jumpsuit and handcuffs, when it happens I’m going to celebrate by sending over a 100 cartons of cigarettes to his new friends to make sure they show him some proper affection.

      • Mark Foster

        COB is now christened CHF(Creepy Hobbit Fucktard).

        • Frodis73

          Ha! I like it. It’s very fitting of the jackass. Too bad MK doesn’t keep lists anymore as I like this one for DM too…it just came out in a fit of rage.

    • First Last


      Wouldn’t be nice if Jeff and Karen de la Carriere can do a write up in the same line but with documentary proof of CO$ for each section ie., court ruling, deposition, videos, and more …

      Church of Scientology Espionage Tactics Used Against Leading Progressive Groups, Activists and Whistleblowers
      1. Posing as volunteers.
      2. Dumpster diving.
      3. Tapping phones and voicemail.
      4. Casing offices, stealing files.
      5. Impersonating activists.
      6. Hacking and disrupting computers.
      7. Trailing family members.
      8. Adding blackmail to disinformation campaign.
      9. Posing as journalists.
      10. Hiring cops, ex-spooks and veterans.
      11. Little pushback from law enforcement.
      –> What Americans Don’t Know

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Karen, despite all of the big hairy bullshit that the “chult” throws your way you are an incredible inspiration to us all on the right side of history. Your spirit and moral compass are unyielding! Thank you with all my admiration.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Oh thanks Karen. You explain things so well and didn’t know about your ongoing case. Sooo happy the judge did not fall for it.
      I look forward to Tony writing about it.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      Hi, Karen —

      I guess my confusion has to do with what I see as what I’m going to call “hiding the source vs. resourcing bullshit”.

      1) Hiding the source – this information originated from you and is private. How does the cherch make this public without making it obvious that this is what they’ve done? I don’t see how they can do this. Let’s say that you say to a new friend, “I beat baby dinosaurs during lunch time for fun!” and then an obviously-from-the-cherch “anonymous” smear site updates with “Karen beats baby dinosaurs during lunch time for fun!” then you know that your new friend is a cherch spy. How could the cherch possibly release this information without you knowing that’s what happened?


      2) Resourcing Bullshit – the cherch makes up some bullshit and then disguises its origin. As you and Jeff have explained it, it goes like this:
      — step one, make up some bullshit.
      — Step two, post the bullshit on the internet or in Freedumb or on fliers, etc.
      — Step three: get someone legitimate to log it in some way: police blotter, in a court record, in a newspaper (in fact, if you report it to an agency or to a newspaper directly [“…according to anonymous sources, here’s some bullshit”], you can bypass step two).
      — Step four: start referring to the agency that logged or referred to your bullshit as your source for the bullshit. You are now one degree removed from your bullshit.
      — Step five: try to get someone new to refer to that referrer. By citing this new someone as the source for your bullshit, you are now two degrees removed from your bullshit. Repeat until it’s difficult for a critical thinker to track the bullshit back to you. They might know it’s bullshit, but you can innocently say, “moi? But my hands are clean!” and “if all of these people are talking about this bullshit, maybe there’s some truth to it after all?”

      I think that the problem is (and it’s MY problem) is that when you say “covert-to-overt”, you’re talking about 2 and I’ve been thinking that you’ve been talking about 1.

      So, as for what you’re actually describing: I get this perfectly. It is perfidious, and I hate that it’s effective. You’d think that all it would take is one person early on in the chain to be a critical thinker and say, “wait a minute — I’m in the presence of some bullshit!” But then the cherch can just completely take their statements out of context anyway.

      This is evil behavior. It is awful. All good people should shun this as intrinsically evil.

      Anyway, sorry for the wall-o-text. Mike Rinder calls me “dev-t”, but honestly I’m not trying to obfuscate with words. I’m just trying to be precise and make sure I understand you correctly.

  • Snake Plissken

    Friday, June 5th – Sunday June 7th
    The Theme for this Convention is: “The OT Phenomena”

    6:00pm – 8:00pm – Confidential meeting with Loyal Officers
    Must be OT III or above to attend. Grab a bite to eat and meet back at the convention room for discussion and a special film.

    Any Loyal Officers out there make it to Confidential meeting? I’m wondering how Ron and his Spaceship are doing these days

    • aegerprimo


    • Frodis73

      This topic makes me nervous…basically they end up lying to new people about what they are getting involved with at first because the word scientology IS toxic. There was a discussion on Milestone 2 quite awhile ago about this and some ppl were discussing how they flat out lie to new people to get them interested in taking classes/reading a book, etc. Dorks.
      I do wonder what was discussed in the confidential meetings though…

      11:30am – Marketing the FreeZone
      While the word “Scientology” has been in the news lately, relatively few know about the independent field and the FreeZone. How can we, working together, help others (leaving the CofS or just discovering Scientology) to find out what the FreeZone is and what their options are? Let’s discuss the problems and possible solutions. Come prepared with ideas of your own.

  • The Dude

    Just read this. It broke my heart. Even more so, because I feel like I know these people. From the many videos she and he have done. If my Dad just stopped talking to me. I would be devastated.

  • The Dude

    Also reading up on something I read at SP’s R Us. Has anyone heard of The LaRouche movement?

    • Missionary Kid

      I have, and they’re really nuts…and dangerous.

  • Jimmy3

    How many people here play chess?

  • Frodis73

    Way OT, but it’s late…has anybody else here watched the new Netflix series Sense8 yet?

    • The Dude

      No. But the Wife and I are always looking for new stuff to watch. We don’t watch TV. We are a computer household. Online alltime.

      • Frodis73

        It’s done by the brothers that did The Matrix. I’m enjoying it so far, but it could go off the rails knowing them. Interesting premise and I like the cast (mostly unknowns) though Naveen Andrews (one of my many Hollywood husbands) is in it. If you like weird sci fi’ish drama, check it out.

        • The Dude

          Yes we do. We found one we liked that they cancelled “Terra Nova”. That was a good show!

          • Frodis73

            I have heard good things about that one but haven’t seen it yet. I’ll check Netflix for it. Praise Xenu for Netflix man.
            Yes, we do appear to be the only ones here. I should be in bed but keep saying ‘one more episode’ and then I’ll go to bed. Fuck sleep, it’s overrated. Lol. I’m practicing for the SO.

        • The Dude

          I feel like “Samwise Gamgee”. I looks like it’s just you and me here, Ms. Frodis.

          • Todd Tomorrow


  • The Dude

    Drunk and listening to old Eddie Murphy stand up. I can’t stop laughing about one joke.
    A bear and a rabbit are taking a shit.
    The bear asks the rabbit if the shit ever sticks to his fur.
    The rabbit says, “No”.
    So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.

    • Frodis73

      Lol, that is funny.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Frodis73

      Ok, that was funny, but TC’s body/abs look funny to me. It looks like he’s sucking his gut in and well, something else just messed up. His body doesn’t look normal to me. Maybe it’s just me.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I thought the same thing. But i’ve seen celebs really buff up quick then lose it all quick. Like Edward Norton, in An American History X then skinny in Fight club.

        • The Dude

          American History X was a powerful movie. It summed up my experience with “White Power” scum punks. Young disillusioned punks led by old white rednecks. Southwest Florida was full of them in the 90’s.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            One of my favorites. I knew nothing about it just went to a matine. I was like WTF?

            • The Dude

              Watch the Docu that Louis Theroux did on skinheads. I have been on the inside of shit like that. Almost got my ass kicked in because I got into a argument with one of them because he nazi saluted me and I told him to go fuck himself. A couple of good friends dragged me into a van before the shit hit the fan.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Scarey, we had 4 that moved into a studio apt. in Seattle. They never went anywhere by themselves. Ended up getting attacked and two left in Tacoma.

            • The Dude

              I have always loved Punk Rock. Still to this day. Shit can get ugly in the pit. Tough is as Tough does. It was the kids that came up to me after the shows. “Dude! You can thrash! White Power!” It made me ashamed to be a Punk.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yeah, I was teasing you one day telling you I was”straight Edge”, and you got all pissed off. Which I never was.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Can’t find Louis Theroux skinheads. I see racists.

            • The Dude

              Old habits die hard. No hard feelings. Punk kids die early. I have outlived many of my good friends.
              Suicide or drugs have taken a lot of my old friends.
              I am the exception to the rule.
              I like my Leaf. And my Lager. That is all.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I was into Oxy for along time. But I once drank a lot but don’t do anything but herb.

            • The Dude

              That Oxy shit just leads to The Big “H”. Then you are a dead man walking.
              Stick wit’ta herb.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It’s actually a more pure form. I had two friends die on me in three months. One was my business partner. Woke up on the floor and had done 16 80’s. SoI took myself to out patient treatment. Never done heroin, On the west coast it’s that tar shit.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              My friends didn’t die of drugs,

            • Todd Tomorrow
            • The Dude

              16 80’s at once? Com’on is that possible? I got 10m for a toothache and was couchbound for 2 days.

            • Todd Tomorrow

            • Todd Tomorrow

            • The Dude

              My god man? Cheaper to just H up.

            • Todd Tomorrow


            • The Dude

              I am seeing the dawn here. Nice. But I need to sleep sometime. G’night!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Boa noite

            • The Dude

              More like “Bom Dia”. At this point.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              320,000 over 5 years + treatment.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I watched Louis Meth Doc. Wow that was a trip.

            • The Dude

              I have not seen that…………….YET!

            • Frodis73

              Oh wow, I can imagine how crazy that will be. I will have to go find it.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I’m a west coaster. We are afraid of Florida except for Ft. Lauderdale. Too many laws.

        • Frodis73

          This is true and he was looking like he had gained some weight earlier so maybe he lost it real quick.
          AHX is such a great movie…very disturbing, but I think middle school age kids should watch. I remember I saw it the theatre and during the dinner table scene there was this odd uncomfortable tension you could feel bouncing around. I think it was because some people watching had either said some of thought those things, said them aloud or had a family member that was like his father. It was just one of those weird “live” things you had to be there to experience…it was extremely powerful.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I wasn’t raised that way at all. So it was really strange as a kid for me to understand. Especially anti semetic, I didn’t know what it meant until High School. I thought it meant general prejudice. I grew up around all different cultures.

            • Frodis73

              Me too and I seriously don’t get it. I have to thank my parents for not being like that. To me it is just as dumb to think eye or hair color is some kind of indicator to a persons character. Just think of the people you would not know if you had had some kind of preconceived notion about them and never got to know them.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 07 June 2015
    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Although a few of us hit Boston with complaints, there is no results to be seen as yet, let us hope that CL is slow on W/E and that they will wake up, those who have not complained yet do eeeet !

    Saturday: Seattle flagged a couple with LV scraping in.
    SpamTrack and the complaint templates for Boston, LA & Tampa have been updated today 7th of June at 2:30am est :

    RedX tips :
    Flag co$ lies :
    F5… Bob Cat enhanced by Bob Kåre for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo :

    • SarahDB

      Hi Pierrot,

      Seems someone tried to tag a RedXDoc account posting as spam. Interesting.

      • Pierrot

        Make RedXDoc private and do not link to too many URL (http:// ..) especially if they link to more links as disqus might decide that the post is a spam.
        That did happen a lot a year or so ago.

        • SarahDB

          Well, I tried posting with the RedXDoc account and the post vanished, so I think discus has flagged the account. Just posting with my own account.

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    I do wonder if the scientologist bird lady visiting Karen can state exactly how it is better. If it is all better and they don’t do ‘that’ anymore, implies she is knowledgeable about things the organization of scientology “use” to do that was not as good. Since scientologists can’t talk bad about scientology I would wonder if she can confront directly and completely any of the issues that needed changing and are supposedly changed, indicating that scientology perhaps had made some mistakes. It is my opinion they can not admit to mistakes, generally, as that would be speaking against scientology. I wonder if she can tell specifically what the changes are that she has seen that have made it better, if she can tell WHAT specifically they do not do anymore.

    • Mark Foster

      Even if she could say those things, the behavior she engaged in to initiate said discussion would-for me-invalidate the apparent honesty she was displaying. If things were ¨better¨(and if she was not an OSA operative and , better yet, there was no longer a fucking OSA!)), she wouldn´t need to initiate a discussion on a false premise or pretend to be someone she isn´t. OSA: Obscene Stupid Assholes.

    • “The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become
      inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality
      which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary”

      Orwell, George (1949). Nineteen Eighty-Four. Martin Secker & Warburg Ltd, London, part 1, chapter 3, pp 32

      Or, putting it differently, an OSA handler will say anything to get the mission done. Blatant lies and contradictory statements are nothing to them. There is a list of items on a check sheet and more important than notions of truth and integrity is ticking all the boxes.

    • Excellent point Elizabeth. I wish Jeff had asked her “What is exactly is so changed and better.” There is no question that was the on-point message she was there to convey with or without my presence.
      Hundreds and hundreds or people have dropped off birds. No one comes with a *MESSAGE* and they park outside. I am still conflicted on whether she wanted to *feel* me out to talk privately. It is well known that I know what a scam and rip off the so called “SRD” “Survivial Rundown” is. In the 1960s when drugs and LSD abounded, Hubbard developed “Objective processes” (SRD) to get the fogged up druggie looking around the environment and touching things to get him out of his drug haze. This action is done immediately after the Purification Rundown at the lowest end of the Bridge.
      I am puzzled she let me know that after 33 years in the “Cherch” she was signalling to me she was at the bottom of the barrel on the Bridge on SRD the ultimate scam and fraudulent “Tech.”
      She also made it a big point of leaving her card and all her telephone numbers.
      But then an OSA operative would be pretty slick …

  • Eivol Ekdal

    “August 4: London (with John Sweeney)”
    I can’t wait for details!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Wait…wait for it!

    • Interested

      I’ll see you there.

  • valshifter

    Karen’s video, I’m glad Karen is on top and very aware of OSA dirty tricks, that lady with the bird definitely OSA. Karen could have rejected the bird from her just because she is a scientologist, but if she does the church will make a big to do about that, now that she has nurtured the bird they want it back to release it, really? am sure they want to scan the bird for fibers or DNA from Karen….that cult is weird really really weird. Trying to make her guilty or find fault from the very passion that she has for birds, that is evil very evil.

    • Mymy88

      If there are any PETA people, following this blog, I bet the “bird” event would raise their eyebrows.

    • Lighthouse

      Karen and Jeff, a smart couple. I’m grateful for their invaluable contributions to exposing the cult with such intelligence.

  • AintMizBahavin

    Waving hello to everyone hoping all is well. im feeling a little better today emotionally then yesterday. i have my kids and kittens to keep me smiling… heres my 2 yr old tabby cat Casey doing her usual which is eat and then sleep all day smh.

  • AintMizBahavin

    and heres my 8 month old russian blue baby she’s supposed to be homework monitoring lol. but less then 5 minutes later she was sleeping..

  • The Caitlyn/Cardone thing is really diappointing.

  • Lighthouse

    Great about Going Clear in Sydney, Australia. Excellent news.

  • Ralph Hunter

    Karen could read the phone book and I would find it fascinating. I love her videos