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Robert Vaughn Young on L. Ron Hubbard’s final days — another ‘Secret Lives’ video outtake

Robert_Vaughn_Young2Robert Vaughn Young was a national spokesman for Scientology, and he had the unenviable task of editing L. Ron Hubbard’s ten-part science fiction mess Mission Earth, which came out between 1985 and 1987. (Hubbard died in January 1986).

RVY, as he was known, left Scientology in 1989, and eight years later he was featured in the excellent Channel 4 documentary, Secret Lives — L. Ron Hubbard. For several weeks now, we’ve been bringing you original footage and outtakes from the documentary for the very first time. And today, we have Robert Vaughn Young, talking primarily about Hubbard’s final days.

Previous segments that we’ve released from the Secret Lives files have featured Hubbard’s literary agent, Forrest Ackerman, his press assistant and lover, Barbara Klowden, one of Hubbard’s fellow science fiction colleagues, Arthur Jean Cox, the former mayor of Clearwater, Florida, Gabe Cazares, Hubbard’s former medical officer, Jim Dincalci, archivist Gerry Armstrong, former Los Angeles Times reporter and postwar Hubbard roommate, Nieson Himmel, and Washington State Representative Robert MacDonald Ford, who knew Hubbard and his first wife well.

The Secret Lives interviewer wants to hear about Hubbard’s final week at his hiding place on a ranch in Creston, California. RVY describes a broken man who was afraid of the world, and who had retreated into his place of seclusion.

“He was a storyteller caught up in his own stories,” Young says. “He was frightened to meet people…He was disappearing down into this world he had created.”

Young says that Hubbard was hiding and disheveled, and he compares the aging writer to Howard Hughes. At the ranch with him were Pat Broeker and his wife Annie, Hubbard’s physician, Gene Denk, and a ranch caretaker, Steve “Sarge” Pfauth.

Young relates an anecdote that Denk went gambling in Reno when Hubbard had his final stroke, and the doctor had to come rushing back to treat him. Young says that Hubbard’s mind had already been deteriorating, and after the stroke he was completely debilitated. But the day before he died, Hubbard supposedly signed a new will. “The coroner was wondering, was he even capable of understanding that last will?” Young asks.

Hubbard had been taking a psychiatric drug, Vistaril, for anxiety, which was pretty scandalous for an organization that hates psychiatry and its pharmaceuticals so much. But that was just one of the things that had to be covered over about Hubbard’s death for the Scientology membership.

RVY says death caught Hubbard by surprise. “In my opinion Hubbard never believed he would die. He just thought he could beat it all the way.”

The last thing Scientology could have, he added, was for Hubbard to be mortal. So the story was told that he’d voluntarily left his body to do research in another part of the galaxy. “They had to portray this man as in control of his life.”

Let us know what you find most interesting or startling about RVY’s description of Hubbard and his final days.

 


 
One additional note. Before he died of cancer in 2003, RVY worked on an epic affidavit which helped Lawrence Wollersheim finally win his thin dimes. If you’re not sure what we mean, you might look at our very lengthy 2008 story about the Wollersheim saga and the part Robert Vaughn Young played in it.

 
UPDATE: And another additional note. Robert Vaughn Young was a very knowledgeable expert about Scientology and his involvement in it. The interviewer here, however, keeps asking him about things he knows only second hand. More recently, we have better information about Hubbard’s final days from a direct eyewitness. Lawrence Wright’s interview in his book Going Clear of Sarge Pfauth is illuminating, but the really definitive version, we feel, is Marty Rathbun’s lengthy discussion with Pfauth in his book, Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior.

 
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Travolta in Clearwater — reporters, here’s your chance!

Since Alex Gibney’s movie Going Clear aired on HBO for the first time Sunday, there’s been a lot of press coverage of it and questions about how the media might treat Scientology’s celebrities in the future.

Well, we now know about an opportunity for reporters to ask John Travolta about the movie, and it’s right in Scientology’s spiritual headquarters, Clearwater, Florida!

On April 18, he’ll be at the premiere of his new movie, The Forger, at Clearwater’s Capitol Theater. Early indications suggest that the movie might not be any great shakes, but we’d like to see some reporters get a good question or two to Scientology’s favorite Qantas spokesman!

 
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Warren Olney tackles Scientology

Speaking of fun, it was a thrill for this native Angeleno to appear on KCRW (our favorite radio station ever) on Which Way LA?, the show of the legendary Warren Olney. He had us on with Tom DeVocht and Kim Masters as we talked about Going Clear. If you’d like to hear it follow this link. Near the end of the segment, we think we landed a pretty good one about the IRS.

 
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To our Canadian friends, some news about Going Clear

It looks like Canada’s unfavorable libel laws are not going to keep Alex Gibney’s film out of that country (even if you still can’t buy Larry Wright’s book that it’s based on there). The documentary will apparently debut at the TIFF Bell Lightbox theater in Toronto on May 8. You lucky Canucks!

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Seems legit.

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 2, 2015 at 07:35

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  • aquaclara

    Outstanding interview. Mike, you hit that out of the park.
    I was in tears hearing him talk about disconnection- losing his kids, his mother, his wife of thirty years. And Megyn went through this to make sure it was well understood in English.

    Same thing about the treatment from the church – his answer got in the list of things the cult has done to him.

    Touched on tax free. Showed the maniacal Cruise laugh video about SPs.

    Excellent.

    • Anonymous

      Oops…wrong location for this comment.

      • scnethics

        Don’t you think Mike spends time reading through these comments? 🙂

        • Anonymous

          The comment was meant as a reply to a different post (see below.)

  • generic sock
  • EnthralledObserver

    Is there a youtube or link to this interview with Mike? Would love to see it! 🙂

    • MaxSpaceman

      The Fox Opinion Website will have it in an hour or 2. 🙂

      • Super Power Wogsy

        NICE!

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Thanks Max, will you post it?

        • MaxSpaceman

          🙂 They will certainly post it here in I don’t know how many hrs.
          http://www.foxnews.com/shows/the-kelly-file.html

          Plus, it repeats on the Fox channel tonite at midnight.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Yes, and I will watch. Greta’s doesn’t get repeated until 2 AM, haha

  • Super Power Wogsy

    I’m not seeing Megyn taking any comments on her FB page. Am I missing something?

    P.S. I love my socks. they are cuddly, fuzzy, and warm.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Try this…Facebook dot com/thekellyfile or go to her twitter megyankelly at megyan kelly.

      The same happened to me the first time. and couldn’t comment.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        Thanks Dee!

        • MaxSpaceman

          Thanks, Super PW, for the reference to psalms 34:18. “The LORD is near to the brokenhearted And saves those who are crushed in spirit.” Very poignant.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            You’re welcome Max : ).

    • munkeesnikkers

      Of course you love your socks — you’ve had dozens of them here in the last couple years.

      I see you …

      • Super Power Wogsy

        DOX OR STFU

        • munkeesnikkers

          Wrong answer.

          I see you …

          • Super Power Wogsy

            you can see whatever the hell you want. i don’t care.

  • Mymy88

    — OFF TOPIC — Google Alert

    Secure your vomit bag. It’s a PRO $cien article and the cover photo, of which I could only obtain a partial snip for some reason, is a photo of the eyes of the lady that tells her happy family story, thanks to $cien.

    It has been said, the eyes are the way to the soul.

    ************* Remove the space or linky won’t worky (sorry for the inconvenience) ***************

    — My Family and My Life After ‘Going Clear’ —

    http://www.worldreligionnews.com /religion-news/scientology/my-family-and-my-life-after-going-clear

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      World Religion News is a front site for Scientology. Pay it no mind.

      EDIT:
      Here is their amusing take on the scurrilous Twitter campaign launched by Scientology to counter Going Clear.
      http://www.worldreligionnews.com/issues/church-of-scientology-runs-twitter-ads-in-unison-with-going-clear-documentary-release

    • aquaclara

      Since this is a Scino site, you might want to label it as such. Or de-link it.

      • Mymy88

        Okay, thanks. I didn’t know it was a $cien site.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well this is comical. The article has nothing to do with “Going Clear,” and is rather about going “Clear.” And it’s just FABULOUS. See how alert looking the newly Clear mommy is?

      (Refresh for photo that is untouched by the hand of the shooper.)

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Rite, a scn site. I was going to tweet her on her “I am way less fearful and nervous” that she’ll need some for the OT levels but I decided against it. Don’t want to give any attention to her. She’ll find out. I just pity the kids.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      • PickAnotherID

        Why does it look like the smile was pasted onto a different face??

        • Mymy88

          LOLOL!

    • Snake Plissken

      The only interesting part of that story was finding out that there’s a Scientologist that lives in Maine.

      • MaxSpaceman

        too funny! yes, who’da thunk it, really 🙂

      • Kristin Rawls

        Huh. That’s even less than my state. We apparently have a whole mission, but only 3 registered Scientologists. Incidentally, what’s the difference between a mission, an org and an ideel org? Is a mission just a small thing? Someone wrote a blog post about it that I found once — apparently it’s someone’s house.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Registered where, in what forum. In other words how do you know this for certain?

          • Kristin Rawls

            I googled, “Scientologists in North Carolina” and this 1 place in Winston-Salem came up calling itself “the main Scientology center of the Carolinas” or something. And it’s called a mission. The three registered thing… I’m not sure — I googled and found this number about 3 years ago, but I can’t remember what it entailed. But I will say… It’s fairly impossible to meet a real Scientologist here, anywhere in the state other than one of the movie sets or wherever Juliette’s new show is being filmed (Wilmington? Not sure, it’s set in Charlotte.).

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Thanks Kristin. Does that mean it’s where you live? Those that watch this blog may note that, so be careful unless it doesn’t matter.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Yeah, I’ve tried to keep it off. It’s not hard to find where I live online, but I think I’ll delete the above, yes. In any case, I think they already know where I’m based, given what happened in 2011.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Oh? don’t know what happened. Want to say something?

            • Kristin Rawls

              I mentioned it way down early in this thread, but probably after everyone stopped reading the earlier comments. So… In 2011, I published an interview with Janet Reitman about Inside Scientology just after it came out. In the middle of the night just after it ran, I was home alone sleeping and woken by a car shining its brights into my bedroom window — on and off a bunch of times. It went on for several minutes, and just as I was calling the police, the car turned around and drove off. I didn’t have a stalker, and it’s not a thing that had happened before or since.

              The next day, a bunch of my online accounts were hacked and I got a couple of weird viruses despite not going to any risky sites at all.

              But then in the next year or two, I interviewed Kate Bornstein about her Scientology book and nothing happened. But by that time, I’d moved to a private, unlisted address.

              To this day, I have no idea whether or not it was them. Does it sound like it? Seemed like maybe some kind of warning intended to scare me. I didn’t and don’t think I’m nearly important enough to get on their radar as a critic (I mainly write about education and politics), but maybe someone in the state mission saw me and figured it was a good chance to get their Fair Game on without having to drive too far or something.

            • Mymy88

              WOW! I don’t know, but it is awfully suspicious.

            • Kristin Rawls

              It was weird enough that I asked my next door neighbor to keep an eye out and let me know if they saw anyone suspicious hanging around at weird times.

            • Mymy88

              Hey, precautions never hurt anything. I would have done the same thing.

            • Robert Eckert

              It is impossible to be certain, but the probability that it was them is very high.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Yeah, I mean, I never thought of anyone *else* it could be, but I will never be able to prove it.

            • noseinabk

              Dee, I am not posting with a fake name at the bunker because of COS. If I had no minor children at home who shared my IP, I would post under my name. As a never in who lives in a remote location, I have no fear of the COS. By the way. I love that you accepted my facebook request without question. Sending a message so you know who I am.

            • Kristin Rawls

              It’s sort of surprising there aren’t more of them, I suppose, these Scientologists… It’s becoming a bigger and bigger place for filming — all the Hunger Games movies are happening here. The show Homeland is filmed in Charlotte… And I heard it’s considered a “tier 1” place for the movie business now? Or something like that, I don’t know.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              They are mostly in key cities as you can see on the net and the biggest membership and those living near in the USA is CA and FL. So you’re lucky.

            • noseinabk

              Google “scientology mission” and zoom out on the US map. You will find many small homes and offices claiming to be missions.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Ah, that’s what these bloggers who wrote about visiting it said it was, someone’s home.

      • PappeKak

        Right. Maybe the CO$ers can send in the vulture ministers.
        They always show up for disasters, right?

    • Tony Ortega
      • generic sock

        Those kangaroo shots of him with his daughter are just too cute. No snark for this.

        • Mymy88

          Yeah, but wouldn’t be awful if one day, when the child grows up, she becomes severed from one or both of her parents, due to the cruel disconnection policy? Shudder, god forbid. It’s unbelievable to me how this sort of thing happens so much within the cherch.

          • generic sock

            It won’t help it if some random asshole was making fun of her dad online. This shit is archived.

            • noseinabk

              Dad is a shill for the cult and Mom works at Delphi. Those beautiful children are SO bait. As COS shrinks more members are congratulating each other on having the kids join the SO.

            • generic sock

              So some random asshole has a chance to prevent this from happening?

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              generic, makes me wonder what can you or anyone do to help this from happening?

            • generic sock

              That’s my point, Dee. I don’t think my stupid jokes are going to save anyone.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I agree! 🙂

              Edit: generic, but what can you do or say to help?

            • generic sock

              Damn. I was hoping you would try to argue and explain how stupid jokes could save people. But whatever.
              🙂

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Stupid jokes are funny and funny isn’t bad.

            • noseinabk

              No. He is just happens to be one of my personal pet peeves. This idiot pushes Hubbards Barley formula BS and all the tenants of LRH for raising children. It breaks my heart to see these parents slap each other on the back when the kid gets sent off to the SO.

            • Mymy88

              Yikes! You are right. I didn’t think of it from that angle! I’ll ask Tony if he or someone can delete those!

            • generic sock

              You’re fine, don’t worry about it.

            • Mymy88

              No really, I agree with you. I normally try to always keep in mind it’s not a good idea to say something that projects an innocent young child’s situation into the future, negatively.

              It can be a touchy call, but I remember that being done to me when I was a kid, (a neighbor criticized my parents) and it was for prejudicial reasons (rich versus poor). It was hurtful but that person could not have been more wrong.

              I wish they could see my family now, and then they would know just how wrong they were, ha ha – if they could even remember it happening because this was a long time ago lol!

            • noseinabk

              No. If Tony was bothered by it he would have told you.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Your comments/pics/links have been fine Mymy88. Never apologize for them. Everyone has had a stick up their ass lately.

            • “Everyone has had a stick up their ass lately”

              Why do you suppose that is?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              hmmmm. let’s see. i suppose scientology is a touchy subject??? hence it’s not a big deal “Everyone has had a stick up their ass lately”. guess i should of added “even i have had one up my ass too” maybe it would have made it better.

            • Mymy88

              Hi Wogsy… Thank you for your kind comment. You probably already know what I’m about to explain, and probably more lol… but here I go… If there is an undercurrent of tension at times, it’s understandable, because of what this blog is all about, which is people coming together that are passionately fighting a very threatening and dangerous common foe, despite people having a wide spectrum of differences, otherwise.

              You all make substantial risks by posting at this forum. I know it gets better with time and especially with what is happening now, but still, there is that risk. I have never experienced a forum as extraordinary as this one.

              It’s like being caught up, up-close and personal, in a likely important historical event as it unfolds. It’s exciting, frightening, and fascinating all at the same time.

              So I try to take the attitude that no matter what happens, I’m here for the ride and I’m going to keep riding, until it becomes time to move on, and I’ll sense that when it happens. But until then, one thing is for sure, I’m not exiting the vehicle because of being afraid of anything or anyone from within the enemy or within the group of anti-$cien colleagues, either. I’ve grown too old and have been through too much for that game. It’s lost its hold on me.

              In other words… I’m down for it! As the Smoking Baby likes to say.. BRING IT! LOL

              If anyone wants to mess with me, good luck! Life is a highway and I want to ride it all night long. Hell yeah~!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I should already know you can handle yourself Mymy. : )

            • Mymy88

              Ha ha, but Wogsy, in your comment about ‘sticks up asses’ (lol), you just said in two sentences what it took me 6 paragraphs to say LOL. I need to think about that. Typing long posts is damn hard, for me anyway! I do a million edits before I’m ready to let it go, too. Think about how many keystrokes that is. And here you go… boom boom, point made, moving on lololol.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              haha! no worries : ) i love reading anyways. please keep posting as you do. besides i come across as mean anyways with my short posts. can’t let assholes think i wear my heart on my sleeve for damn good reasons.

            • Mymy88

              Yup, sounds about right! Hold your cards close.

      • Mymy88

        Yish. Looks like he’s ‘trying’ to copy Paul McCartney.

        • Mymy88

          Compare to above photo…

    • Kristin Rawls

      No she doesn’t have creepy eyes at all.

  • bobcox

    So wait, Megyn Kelly did 2 segments with Mike last night and another segment tonight? (not including the interview they did last week)?

    All I can find on youtube is pt.1 from last night:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ZkNfHpvxc

    • MaxSpaceman

      I thought it was 2 segments, not three. ETA: right, Aurora.

      Right, last night was 16 minutes, 2 segments. Tonight’s was 8 minutes, 1 segment.

      • bobcox

        Thanks for clarifying. I’d love to see tonight’s clip if someone is able to share it.

        • MaxSpaceman

          they’ll put it up just where you got 01 April’s. In a couple hours. Zana, a commenter, caught it like that last night around midnight, iirc.

    • aurora50
      • Super Power Wogsy

        …psssst. i love your avi ; )

        • aurora50

          …thank you!

    • aquaclara

      She covered the story three nights in a row. Mike Rinder was on last night and tonight. Her viewers number somewhere in the 2.8 million to 3.5 million range.

      Of the three, I thought tonight’s was best. Mike was terrific, and she translated the tough concepts into English.

      We didn’t see this coming- I don’t watch much tv, but got some text messages when the first preview hit night one. I watched night two, just to see if there was any follow-up. And then last night, she said it would be on in another part tonight.

      This is a big win.

    • Liam
      • MaxSpaceman

        and part 3 will be up online in a couple hours !

      • Kristin Rawls

        Haha, my mom found that salute creepy too, Megyn! This is the thing she wanted to talk about as well: “Oh my god, did you see the creepy salute they gave each other?”

  • Snake Plissken

    http://www.businessinsider.com/i-watched-five-hours-of-scientology-dvds-2015-4

    In an article on businessinsider.cоm the journalist brings up a very good point

    “One of the most common misconceptions about the Church of Scientology is that it doesn’t get truly strange for new members until you go deep inside the religion and reach its higher levels after decades of faithful attendance.

    I put myself through an introduction to the controversial church by watching over five hours of the promotional DVDs it shows to people who express an interest in joining.

    In my opinion, it didn’t take that long to get strange.”

    He’s right … it gets strange from the second you walk in the door and see all of the creepy ass pictures of Hubbard all over the place and if you happen to stay long enough you get to see the glazed over occupants of the building yell Hip hip hooray to them. … if you aren’t distracted by someone in the next room yelling at an ashtray.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      good one

    • madame duran

      I don’t dispute the fact that Scientology’s weirdness can be seen from the moment you enter an org.
      However, it has been the experience for some that it wasn’t immediately detected and it took another 3 months/3 years/3 decades before they saw the con and left. Why are some people able to see stuff right away while others don’t? Why is there a range of time frames before Scientologists finally “wake up”?

      I’d compare it to watching a movie. You already know that it is fictional and not actual, “real life”
      happening but a certain level of belief suspension is required to get into a story. Most people will automatically “accept” whatever details they’re being fed by the storyteller; they usually don’t come in from the start full of skepticism, cynicism and wariness. Most viewers are able to get lost in the moment unless the film’s quality is so bad, it becomes distracting (with giant plot holes, continuity errors, poor casting, etc.). You have to be in a particular frame of mind to “see” what you want to see. It has nothing to do with degree of intelligence. Add to that layer of suggestibility, the emotional impact of something that’s relatable to the viewer’s personal history, aspirations, interests, beliefs, doubts and fears. Therein lies the hook.

      The “weird stuff” of Scientology that gets the biggest news coverage is the Xenu story. Of course, that isn’t the only weird thing about Scientology but it’s what the media and the general public latch on to for some reason. In that context, it isn’t a “common misconception” that the weirdness is contained at the upper OT levels.

      Many of the ex-Scientologists got in at a time when public, commercial Internet wasn’t widespread or even around. They didn’t have the luxury of cross-examining information within seconds. This journalist had the advantage of having previous awareness of Scientology’s controversies through work assignments. He likely watched “Going Clear” and was able to take DVDs home to privately review them. He’s already been inoculated. He was prepped to “watch out” for weird stuff (and sure enough, the cult delivered to annoying effect). It would be unfair to conclude that everyone will or should see Scientology’s bizarre nature upfront. I hope we wouldn’t fall into the habit of ridiculing those who didn’t “get it” right away. Instead, we should focus on educating the public with factual truths so that LESS people enter Scientology and MORE of those “in” are finally able to break free.

  • CobGatYour$$

    And the cob crows,”wackos doooooooodle doooooooooo!”

  • FOTF2012

    Vaughn made San Francisco news once in the 1970s. He was protesting some government action — I forget what. He was in a priest uniform and was brandishing the Scientology cross as if to ward off the vampire city officials, all the while rabidly chastising them verbally.

    Somewhere in TV archives, I imagine that clip still exists. It would pose a profound contrast from the true believer and Scientology warrior he was then compared to the very decent and brave man who later regained his identity and integrity.

    Another iconic figure in the 70s was Heber Jentsch. When I saw him, he was an imposing man who commanded respect and filled the room with his presence. It is bizarre to picture him being a broken boot licker of Miscavige languishing in The Hole.

    I mention both Vaughn and Heber as examples of what the religion of Scientology can do to the strongest and most decent of people — what the group can twist them into, and how brave and resolute are the ones who manage to escape back to reality and freedom.

    Earlier videos of Vaughn and his wife Stacy can be found on YouTube and are well worth watching. To me, they were early heroes in standing up to the truth about the church.

    • Peggy oh!

      Yes!

      RVY talks about this in one of his videos. How he had to get the collar and get down there so he coukd be filmed/photographed so that the image would be of a poor, put upon minister. It’s in a video where he talks about his very start in scientology. Is it in the deposition tapes? Gosh I can’t remember anything today.

    • Snake Plissken

      Robert Vaughn Young and Heber Jentsch are a good example of one person who maintained his sanity and another who didn’t

      Robert Vaughn Young escaped with his sanity in tact whereas Heber Jentsch went insane early on

      Here is Heber Jentszch’s “I wish I was Superman” OT fantasy printed in Advance! Magazine Number 38

      I went to the Los Angeles Airport one evening to pick up my wife, Yvonne, who was returning from a lecture trip. As we started to leave the car park we both heard screaming.

      I exteriorized and saw a man beating up a woman. I stopped the car and told Yvonne to go and help the girl while I caught the mugger (he was already leaving the scene of the beating).

      Yvonne went to the girl’s aid and began giving her an assist. Her face had already greatly puffed out from the beating. I started walking at an intercept angle to the mugger who was not yet visible to me with the physical eyes. Sure enough he appeared from behind a row of cars walking fast. I walked faster and he began to run. I knew it was him because I had seen his shirt while exterior. I ran after him and called for help and the same time. The police came and helped me run him down and he was captured.

      We then went back to the police station and Yvonne brought the girl in who, after the touch assist, looked fantastically improved. We both realized that we had exteriorized and seen what had happened through several rows of cars and concrete pillars. Well, maybe someday we’ll have a real OT Police who’ll capture the *real* criminals of society. That would be a real help towards world police.

      Heber C. Jentszch, OT

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Geezzzz!!

      • Always Amazed

        Woooooweeeee! Coocoo for cocoa puffs.

      • No wonder Tom Cruise makes all those comic book sounds! He’s really fighting crime and diverting comets with his mind.

      • MaxSpaceman

        He could help himself a lot by ‘going exterior’ and get out of the prison base, Int.

      • kemist

        Uhm… Ok.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Is that for real?

        • Snake Plissken

          Did it really happen? Of course not,

          Did he really claim it happened? Yes he wrote it up as an OT Success Story and it was published in Advance! Magazine.

    • I knew them both and they had something in common – they thought they were on a mission, fixing a planet for Elwrong. Vaughn (I never knew anyone who called him Robert Vaughn) might’ve been one of a few who thought Laffy was the reincarnated Jesus. Heber bought into the Clear mission, too, but Heber always seemed to enjoy being “center stage” about $cientology. He had this song he always sung about “Old Blue” – his signature performance. He didn’t know how many of us CC staff memberes got sick of that damned song. Heber loved being “righteous” onstage and in front of the cameras (and made an ass out of himself for the latter more than once). For Vaughn it was like being a spy and subverting the offending “Romans” in government. He figured out at some point that Elwrong was b.s.ing everyone. Heber apparently never did, and paid quite the price.

    • MaxSpaceman

      I <3 Stacy. Her work was/is awesome. Her videos with Jesse Prince demonstrating HubbardTech are classic. Her interviews she conducted with Scn mbrs who escaped the cherch are wonderful.

      • Are_sics

        Those Stacy/Jesse vids going through the TRs were awesome. Really let me see exactly what I was missing. And how happy I was to be missing it.

  • bobcox

    Tonight’s appearance by Mike Rinder on Megyn Kelly’s show is now featured on her homepage:
    http://www.foxnews.com/shows/the-kelly-file.html

    (You have to scroll down a few inches but it’s the first video).

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      thks bob

    • outraged

      Tell Megyn all you Bunker Twitterers!

    • bobcox

      I think Mike does a fantastic job in all of his segments with Megyn, but I take issue with one thing he says in tonight’s clip.
      I DO believe that information John Travolta has confessed during 4 decades of auditing plays a big part in his decision to stay. I think JT believes his career would be seriously damaged by confirmation of his homosexuaiity. And not just his homosexuality but 4 decades of his most intimate secrets, which he now must know have been videotaped. John must believe that it’s far safer to keep this organization on his side rather than publicly cross them. And I don’t know that he’s wrong.

      • Kristin Rawls

        I think what would be more damning than that is all the accounts of sexual harassment and assault — there have been so many suits and complaints that it’s hard for me to feel sorry for him. It’s nearly at Bill Cosby proportions.

        • Are_sics

          And… maybe this is what you already meant… it would be particularly damning if he accepted mother cherch’s strong-arm tactics help in making those suits and complaints go away.

          • MaxSpaceman

            which Marty Rathbun admits to in Going Clear- that he and Mike Rinder, the 2 most senior executives in the cherch, often went to Travolta’s people to help put out those fires, to ‘handle’ the accusers.

            • Kristin Rawls

              But isn’t the line usually that it’s about his “personal life” or do they actually admit that it’s about these more alarming allegations?

            • Jenstnick

              I think they do their best to dance around the issue. They don’t want to be the ones that boot him out of the closet.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Yeah, that too.

        • Robert Eckert

          Letting it be known that he was gay wouldn’t hurt Travolta at all. Most people assume as much anyway. Non-consensual or dubiously consensual sex is a different matter, regardless of genders.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Right, exactly. And there have been so many complaints about harassment and possible assault in the last several years.

          • bobcox

            “Letting it be known that he was gay wouldn’t hurt Travolta at all.”

            I completely agree, but I suspect JT believes otherwise. I think John still sees himself as a leading man and a genuine Hollywood heartthrob with legions of female fans. He probably thinks being outed as gay would lose him many future roles. By now JT may be fully out of touch with reality, living full time in a weird mini-bubble-psuedo-reality, full of minders and handlers and prescription pills and whatever else. I think he’s a lost soul.

      • Snake Plissken

        I think John Travolta have been messed up enough by Scientology to actually believe it, you can explain away his not wanting to leave or not speaking out, but how do you explain him allowing his son to die from an untreated illness instead of getting him the best professional care possible?

    • Captain MustSavage

      Love how pissed off she clearly is at the scientology attempts to control the narrative by repeated phone calls to the station. She was openly contemptuous of them in front of millions of viewers. That is a slam dunk right there. Then she joined one of the top SP’s in mocking scientology by laughing about being an SP at the end of the show. The other really great thing about this for me was she told viewers that they had invited the callers to be interviewed but they declined. I heard the radio guy who interviwed Tony the other day say the same thing. Scientology doesn’t seem to realise that viewers arent stupid. Gibney has said repeatedly that they declined interviews. Every time they decline another invitation to explain themselves they prove the truth of Gibneys version. It’s beautiful.

      • Mymy88

        She looks like she’s ready to breath fire.

      • AnyOldName1

        Megan seemed really pissed. I Tweeted her & pointed out the cult forces women to have abortions. That will not play well with her audience.

        • Captain MustSavage

          Tweet her and ask her to advertise the petition to get the tax exempt status revoked.

    • Jenstnick

      Dammit. Don’t make me watch Fox.

  • there are just so many possible headlines that could work with this story….

    ‘When rednecks study scientology’

    ‘Scientology – the cut-price edition’

    ‘When you can’t afford the next OT level you just make it up’

    … just a couple of ideas off the top of my head

    [the pic will explain everything]

    • Robert Eckert

      “five crack pipes and a baby alligator”: oh Florida, you rarely disappoint!

    • kemist

      They look legit.

      Did the guy sleep on a BBQ grill, have kids draw on his face while he was shitfaced, or is that the most terrible tattoo I’ve ever seen ?

      • Robert Eckert

        Or a combination of all three?

      • Snake Plissken

        I think those are tire tracks it looks like they ran him over and then backed up a few times for good measure.

    • romanesco

      I don’t get it. Why post random silly hoaxes?

      • I don’t think you’re posting in the right thread….?

        • romanesco

          Thread OK; why this hoax?

          • I really don’t understand what you’re trying to say…. do you know about late night Bunker comments? … what exactly do you mean by a hoax?

            • PappeKak

              I think what romanesco means to say is that there is no planet with all-you-can-smoke crack in this sector of the universe.

            • romanesco

              Hoax: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/goldentickets.asp

              Is it a random joke? Doesn’t seem related to anything.

            • I got the story from imgur and didn’t realise it was a hoax… what struck me about it was that it looked like what scientology might be if it was run by rednecks… just thought it was pretty funny… that it is all

              Tito and Amanda Watts were arrested over the weekend for selling “golden tickets to heaven” to hundreds of people. The couple, who sold the tickets on the street for $99.99 per ticket, told buyers the tickets were made from solid gold and each ticket reserved the buyer a spot in heaven — simply present the ticket at the pearly gates and you’re in.

              “People can sell tickets to heaven,” a Jacksonville police spokesman said. “But the Watts misrepresented their product. The tickets were just wood spray painted gold with ‘Ticket To Heaven – Admit One’ written in marker. You can’t sell something as gold when it’s not. That’s where the Watts crossed the line into doing something illegal.”

              Tito Watts said in his police statement:

              I don’t care what the police say. The tickets are solid gold… it ain’t cut up two by fours I spray painted gold. And it was Jesus who give them to me behind the KFC and said to sell them so I could get me some money to go to outer space. I met an alien named Stevie who said if I got the cash together he’d take me and my wife on his flying saucer to his planet that’s made entirely of crack cocaine.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      There’s a reason that fark.com has a special “florida” tag.

  • MaxSpaceman

    OT. Has Captain Howdy returned to commenting? or maybe still dealing with the health issues …

    • MadMaxi

      I miss Capt Howdy, and even tho I lurk, I really do worry about him after his health scares. And miss his views on things and sense of humor.

  • JMasiulewicz

    I’m sure someone will post the footage in the morning but David Letterman just screwed the church to the f**king wall with a hilarious sketch featuring the “President of Scientology”.

    • Kristin Rawls

      I wish the Daily Show weren’t on vacation this week…

    • synopsis?

    • Vaquera

      Happy dance!

    • Mymy88

      Oh my dog and god and cat and everything else, I cannot wait to see that!

    • Captain MustSavage

      Not up on YouTube yet. Hope someone posts something.

  • I Like Ham

    I got a bit of a shock at work today when I went to go check the mail and found a copy of “Freedom” magazine mixed in with all the bills and catalogs. It was addressed to my attention under the store’s name which isn’t unusual as I’m on the management team and do a lot of work with our vendors. One thing that came to mind was that this issue of “Freedom” has the cover story “People who read are a dying breed” and since part of what we carry is in the book trade we get “Publisher’s Weekly” and are on the mailing lists of many book, video, and media organizations so I was wondering if they just got hold of a mailing list.

    I’m kind of unnerved but also kind of excited since now I can actually read one of these things and see just how whacko they are!

    • Kristin Rawls

      Everything is on their website too.

    • Snake Plissken

      After about two minutes of reading it you’ll be back to wishing they’d stop sending you that garbage. they is nothing more embarrassing that the look on the mail carrier’s face when you have you your mail and it’s full of a bunch of the cult’s propaganda, now even more so after Going Clear has been released.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        So true.

    • PappeKak

      Scrub up. Wear two sets of gloves. Incinerate.

    • Mymy88

      What on earth does that mean? “People who read are a dying breed” What reason to they give for this? Do they literally mean people are dying because they are reading? Or what?

      • I Like Ham

        I haven’t read the article, but it’s about how Americans are reading fewer books – the blurb says 1 in 4 Americans didn’t read any books at all last year, and about half of Americans don’t read for pleasure.

        • Mymy88

          That sounds like the kind of reasonable article a decent magazine would publish. I didn’t think
          $cien ever put normal things in their magazine. Do they do that sometimes or rarley or what? Or did I misunderstand?

    • Mark Foster

      Keep it for cult research/documentation and file under ¨scatology¨ 🙂

  • MaxSpaceman

    Stumbled across this. Such a story. The mad behavior inside the cherch, trying to wreck another life.

    How I left the Scientology RPF and why Going Clear is the most important film of 2015.
    Posted by Nora | March 31, 2015. http://ragingbuddha.net/television/how-i-left-the-scientology-rpf-and-why-goingclear-is-the-most-important-film-of-2015/

    Now I tell you this gruesome story not for shock and awe purposes. I tell you this to show you what the technology of Scientology does. That is is the end product. “Oh you didn’t get ‘Standard Tech’” is what I hear all the time. Like that makes it alright. But yes, actually I did. I got Scientology. If you knew how regulated the RPF tech is you would be amazed. It is more closely monitored than ANY other aspect except maybe Tom Cruise’s sessions. These things that were done to me were right out of Flag Orders, HCOB’s HCO PL’s that L RON HUBBARD wrote. I was treated the way HE thought was standard. Scientology and L Ron Hubbard’s “technology” almost killed me. Almost drove me insane. ALMOST.

    • Vaquera

      As my kids remind me, I could be 100% wrong, but I think that might be basketballjane. Apologies if I’m misremembering.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        That’s her. She’s a pretty amazing lady. In the vein of Magoo, Notorious H.E.W., and our own THDNE- i.e. heroic.

      • Robert Eckert

        It is. She linked to her blog a couple times.

    • StudentOfLife

      Bunkerites will know who this is more than likely. The story is incredible when you hear what I have. My blood curdled when I heard it in person and I realized what a danger to Freedom and how Miscavige and Hubbard set up a system to violate the most basic of human rights as well as replicate George Orwell’s 1984 in this society. When Miscavige is sentenced, I hope everyone in the courtroom tosses lipstick at Four Foot Thirteen once he is handcuffed and taken into permanent custody because there won’t be enough lipstick to constantly paint the bullseyes on his sweet ass when the prisoners find out about how the psychopath destroyed children’s lives, stealing their childhoods, even if it is discovered that he did not actually allow physical molestation of them. Jenna Miscavige’s book does tell instances of the young girls that are married off often before 18 in Lie-in-tology. I could tell her editor or ghost writer had to deal with the fact she was somewhat uneducated in how to use the deep imagery of the Engish language that comes from being well read….she had only read Hubbard most of the time. I remember thinking she was probably a bright girl who at 21 escaped with half the intelligence development (or less) she would have had as a “wog.” Somewhere I get the feeling that when the cult crumbles for good, we might find these young teen girls in the Sea Org are auctioned off to the older men given a few instances I have seen, but I don’t want to start rumors so I should be careful. How bad is it when Planned Parenthood, who believes that any 12 year old daughter should have a surgical abortion without any parent’s consent or knowledge, has to turn in Lie-In-Tology for too many women coming in for forced abortions? Tick Tock Davey….Tick Tock!

      • Kristin Rawls

        I noticed this about her book as well, and I actually thought the book needed a ghost writer or a lot more editing. Her story is one of the most compelling and heartbreaking ex-Scientology stories I’ve ever heard, but I think her lack of education (none of it her fault of course) weakened the book. And if Hubbard is the main thing you read from childhood, it would be difficult to develop into a strong writer.

  • Tribute to someone I love who recently passed away.
    Cherish everyone. It rains inside and out. Sorry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGmVQjdMSR4

    • Super Power Wogsy

      I am so sorry to hear that Dodo. My sincere sympathies to you and your family.

      • Thank you, Wogsy. Not a family member, but it sure felt like it. Stay tuned.

    • i-Betty

      That describes my heavy heart, Dodo. Beautiful song choice, thank you.

    • bromo

      So very sorry for your loss, Dodo. Losing those we love leaves huge holes in our life. Memories are the saving grace, at least for me. I hope you find smiles when you remember them.

      • “I hope you find smiles when you remember them.”

        I sure will. Thank you for your kindness, Bromo.

    • Newiga

      *hug*

    • Jo

      Beautiful tune, sorry for your loss Dodo.

  • X.S.O.S

    As a 2nd generation Scientologist and ex-Sea Org member (two times over) it is, to say the least, very strange to hear such stories about LRH. It’s like hearing the truth about your father or grandfather beating your mother or grandmother when your entire life you saw him as a kind man who only told you wonderful stories and snuck coins out of your ear. As hard as it is, I know in my heart that my entire upbringing has been a lie. In the past two years I’ve been reading the stories about David Miscavige and the Hole, etc. and have since decided I am no longer a part of Scientology. Things I felt in my gut all along were wrong, during my life in scn, in the Sea Org or not, I’m discovering were not incidents isolated to me. Unfortunately my entire family, whom I am very close with, are currently all staff members or full time students at our local org. I can not openly express my new opinions or discoveries with them, as I fear it will push them away and my biggest fear is the disconnection policy being forced upon them. I would like to gradually introduce them to the new information I’ve discovered but it’s extremely hard. Unless you have been in this position it is hard for you to understand what it is like to try and present your family with information that will shatter everything they have ever known and believed and tell them to leave the life they have been living their entire lives. Thankfully Debbie Cook’s email is something I feel my mother can hopefully relate to, at least in regards to fundraising. If anyone has any suggestions about an easy and gradual approach of information I can present to my family to show them the light, it would be greatly appreciated.

    • Vaquera

      You sound kind, compassionate and strong. There are many exs here in the Bunker who can offer advice. As a never-in, I offer you my admiration.

      • X.S.O.S

        that actually means a lot. thank you

        • Vaquera

          Welcome to the Bunker. Pull up a chair and stay a while.

    • It’s very brave of you to post here. Thank you for that. Welcome.

      • X.S.O.S

        It’s nice to have somewhere that I can speak freely. thanks

    • edge

      I’m a never-in, so I can’t relate to your perspective. As much as I’d like to think that people in SCN see the abuses and leave, I’ve come to believe it helps as a good first step for them to see something wrong on Scientology terms. I think the Debbie Cook letter has been just as effective at getting people out of the church as anything Anons have done (and they’ve done some awesome work). So yeah, gradually feed them stuff that at least plants a doubt, like the Debbie Cook email, or something about the constant demands for money. Or how empty the huge, expensive orgs are. These are all small tangible things they can witness in the present without trying to swallow the whole bit of LRH being something other than what he presented himself as. Baby steps. And welcome to the Bunker 🙂

      • X.S.O.S

        Thanks. I think you’re right. Actually that reminds me that the very first thing that planted a seed of doubt in my mind was when I visited the ideal org in Mexico. I couldn’t believe how empty it was. I was shocked and it made me doubt the entire Ideal Org program. Thanks for the advice and the welcome

        • Mark Foster

          Ex-staff here. See Steve Hassan´s site(freedom of mind) for strategies….
          You can use scientology ¨think¨ to get them to look…I KNOW that anyone who has been on staff for a while and has read policy letters extensively has wondered about building orgs as a way of ¨creating demand¨ ,as opposed to the written policy that states, ahem!, otherwise. Be ¨pan-determined¨ and ¨find their ruins¨…from your new freed-from-the-mind-fuck perspective. Be patient and know that, finally, as tough as it probably is to deal with emotionally, they will NOT look until they choose to do so 🙂 I wish you good luck and good humor!

          • X.S.O.S

            Yeah totally and actually part of what worries me is that they are NOT ready to look. And I think you’re right about anyone who’s been on staff for a while knowing that building new fancy orgs is wrong. In fact I brought it up to my senior at Flag right after I finished the EPF there 5 years ago. And he had no rebuttal. He knew i was right. And I knew he knew. Which shocked me because I expected him to have a great response. I just hope, as you say, my family is ready to look. Because that’s such a minor thing, but it’s a crack. And a small crack is the only way they will look deeper into the cracks

            • Ella Raitch

              Are you looking at Ex Scientology Message Board as well XSOS…there have been lots of threads about this in the past…good people there.

            • X.S.O.S

              I haven’t but I will! On this bunker website?

            • Ella Raitch

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/forum.php

              The advantage of ESMB is that there are many active threads at a time (here at the Bunker each topic really only stays active for a day).

              I’ll see if I can find a good thread over there…

            • Ella Raitch

              Back

              This is the link to threads about leaving:

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?38-Leaving-the-Church

              Plenty of good stuff there for a start.

              If you respond on any thread, it gets bumped into the stream of ‘today’s posts” and this will get people looking at that thread.

              Don’t think I need to tell you to avoid using any identifying information until you are sure you are comfortable doing so (here or ESMB)

            • Mark Foster

              Amen! That´s it! Small cracks! Every little one counts.

              Another thing: quote Hubbard from a 1959 Ability magazine(forgot which issue) , in which he advises any prospective student of scientology to be VERY critical of the subject…
              Wait! I found it:

              From “How to Study Scientology” (Ability Magazine, Feb 1959)

              “You are asked to examine the subject of Scientology on a critical basis—a very critical basis.“

              “So then we ask you to look at Scientology, study it, question it, and use it as we present it and you will have discovered something for yourself. And in so doing you might well discover a lot more.”

              “When you have applied it as it should be, and applied as it is taught at the school, and still find it unworkable, it is your privilege to question it and, if you like, reject it.“

            • X.S.O.S

              Interesting that is not a more well-known policy. Definitely may come in handy though. Thankyou

            • Eivol Ekdal

              If they are not ready to look then for now you may just want to show them that they have people outside who love and care. Scientology is devoid of and true love, compassion and empathy. I think that people in are so hungry for what’s missing that for some it becomes too much to bear. Show them that they have a safe place to leap to when they are ready.

          • X.S.O.S

            Oh and thanks for the site referral will check that out!

        • Graham

          As a ‘never in’ what strikes me is the current emphasis on ‘upping your status’ by making donations. As I understand it Hubbard was very clear about the concept of exchange. Giving straight donations is surely grossly out-exchange. Might this be one ‘way in’ with your relatives??

          • X.S.O.S

            I think this is going to be the first and foremost way in with them actually. They will be able to see it from a perspective that it was not Hubbards way. So why is Miscavige doing it? And from there what else is Miscavige doing wrong?

      • i-Betty

        Yes, the Debbie Cook letter filters down through the years. Only recently we heard about someone who had started the waking up process after reading it, despite it taking several more years to finally leave.

    • nukethevolcano

      You obviously have to follow your heart and do whats best for you and your family. You won’t be able to hide for long. I’d suggest keeping a journal because it sounds like there are interesting times ahead.

      • i-Betty

        It would be important to store any such journal at your boyfriend’s house because you know as well as we do that if found, a family member would be obliged to hand it over to an ethics officer.

    • Newiga

      Welcome, X.S.O.S! Glad to have you here at the Bunker! I I can only imagine how hard it’s been to discover the truth and at the same time, have an entire family still heavily involved in the scam.

      I hope you stay here and comment.

    • Scream Nevermore

      There are several people who can help you with that, if you hang around. Might be a good idea to clear your computer browsing history when you’ve been here, just in case!

      • X.S.O.S

        I’ve been doing all my research on my boyfriends computer (who is…as is called here..a “never-in”) and at work where i then clear my browsing history. My dad (whom I did not live with as a child but was a Scientologist) almost got SP declared recently due to being found commenting on some anti-scn websites. I of course had no problem with it, but my sister would have had to disconnect, resulting in me having to choose sides. So I’m being sure to be as careful as possible for the time being. It sure is nice to have people to talk to though

        • i-Betty

          I’m glad your boyfriend is a never-in. It should make any transitions back to the ‘real world’ easier.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Is your dad also having doubts? Be good if you could find out without giving yourself away.

          • X.S.O.S

            He definitely is. He almost got declared as I mentioned. I’ve been wanting to talk to him about it but he doesn’t live here and when we are together we’re with my sister. I should really get him to visit and talk to him though cuz I think it will be nice to have someone to connect with about it

    • i-Betty

      Welcome to the Bunker, X.S.O.S. Your post will resonate with many here and I’m sure you will receive some excellent advice. As a never-in, I can advise you to also check out Ex-Scientologist Message Board (ESMB) where there is a higher concentration of exes and under-the-radars. Here at the Bunker you will find a lot of information from the blog postings with which to arm yourself as you move forward, a lot of wisdom from those exes who have been right where you are, and a lot of kindness from those of us who haven’t been in your shoes but who empathise.

      I do hope you will stay and continue posting 🙂

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/

      • X.S.O.S

        Thanks for the advice, will check it out! It’s nice to feel so much welcome and kindness from a group that you’ve been taught to think is only bad

        • Mark Foster

          Betty is a true sweetheart, as are most of the posters here.
          Now Betty, do you have croissants and oj for me?(joking-we do that here, too)

        • i-Betty

          I just wanted to be sure that you were aware Tony has opened a new blog post, as he does every day around 12 GMT. Hopefully you’ve made your way over there, but just incase, I thought I would let you know 🙂

      • Scream Nevermore

        Do you have a copy of the graphic with the x sea org number on it? I’m on my tablet, so I don’t have access to it.

    • Ella Raitch

      Welcome XSOS

    • EnthralledObserver

      Welcome to the Bunker. As a never-in I probably won’t be able the best advice, but I’m sure many of the exes will have that covered for you.
      I’m all for ripping the band-aid off quick lol – but I understand it’s not for everyone. 🙂
      Either way, I hope it all goes well and in time you are able to rescue ALL your family with as little drama as possible.

      • X.S.O.S

        Thanks, me too!

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      You have the gift of courage. There are a lot of people on your side, and a lot of people willing to help you in real ways as soon as you ask. Your group has spun a really insidious and powerful web to keep everyone caught up. Look to the example of people like Leah Remini or Ronnie Miscavige Jr. and people that got out as a group for ideas. You can use the same Co$ vernacular that they teach you to safely bring up some doubts- like wondering if there aren’t better ways for more good for more dynamics, etc. . . Its likely that people close to you have really similar doubts, but the KR culture forces them underground. Maybe start by gently nudging the envelope with safe language- indirectly pointing out some outpoints or the like, before you push the envelope for real. Sadly, when the day comes, you’re going to have to pull the pin and go for it, but there are more of us out here to help than those in there with a vested interest in hurting you. Like I said, you’re brave. Things will work out for you.

      • X.S.O.S

        Thanks that’s really nice to hear. Oddly enough Leah Remini was one of the factors in my leaving. She always seemed so strong willed and didn’t give a shit about pleasing anyone, Church or not, which made me feel like I could relate to a fellow Scientologist. Then when she left I knew I had to dig deeper.I hope you’re right that they have similar doubts and I think a gentle nudge is what I need to do

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome! Great to have you here.

    • Eivol Ekdal
    • Good on you for escaping the Twilight Zone that would have eventually turned into complete darkness. You saw a light in a tunnel and escaped. Welcome to the sunshine – it’s a very effective disinectant so keep relishing in it.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Hi X.S.O.S. I’m really late to this post, but I just wanted to say Welcome to the Bunker. I can only imagine what you habe gone through, but I am glad you have escaped the mind trap. I do hope that you stay awhile and make yourself at home here.

      • X.S.O.S

        Thanks!

    • Frodis73

      Hi! I’m also really late to your post, but I wanted to welcome you to the Bunker. I also want to say how brave you are. I’m a never in but have been reading about sci forever and understand how difficult looking at negative stuff is. I hope you keep posting here. There are some great exes here that are so great, kind and willing to share their experiences leaving too.

      • X.S.O.S

        That’s good to know…thankyou 🙂

  • Third Drawer Down

    Do you ever get to that point when you just say “Sod this. I can’t fight anymore”?

    It has been relentless… I am so sick of talking about it all now…

    I can’t deal with one more phone call, one more email, one more question…

    I just want to say: “The internet exists M.F. look it up for yourselves! I have been telling you about this for years… you NEVER listened to me before and now you want me to tell you everything? It’s time to do your
    own research!”

    Suddenly people want to know… and they want me to have ALL the answers…

    Where were they when I was trying to tell them about it years ago?

    And where are they now that I am having an onslaught from the Scios?

    I’m tired.

    Sorry for venting… I am sure (hope) you understand…?

    Happy, bloody. Easter.

    😉

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    • I know the feeling. Take it easy.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Hang in there, honey. You’re laying ground work they will thank you for later! 🙂

      I wish I could take some of the burden for you… nobody at all is asking me for any information; I do not personally know anybody involved with $ci and don’t get that much opportunity to share my obsession. I don’t think too many Queenslanders care seeing as we aren’t exposed to it much.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Hopefully that won’t change, if they keep getting knockbacks for their planning applications, sorry, those not affiliated drug rehab facilities keep getting knock backs… 😉

      • Third Drawer Down

        Thank you

    • Scream Nevermore

      I’m getting a small taste of that with my family/friends. Still, it’s better than my annual invitation to go to mass on Easter Sunday with my parents! 😉 Hang on in there!

    • Ella Raitch

      Unplug the phone for a while – take a long walk – have a long bath – watch a funny movie – and above all else….breathe…..in and out. We’re here for you.

    • 0tessa

      Be sure we understand. Ella has a good advise.

  • Third Drawer Down

    Happy Easter… sigh…

    • Ella Raitch

      How’s things your end TDD?

      • Third Drawer Down

        Not so great Ella,

        Have been getting quite a lot of repercussions
        from those in… an assault one may say… and those ‘never-ins’, who I
        have been trying to tell that about this for years are now on to me…
        asking, demanding, wanting to know.

        That^ is great, but I am exhausted… I have been talking about it for YEARS and only NOW they want to know?

        You would think I would feel validated… I am just tired.

        Thank you for asking… and letting me vent.

        Edit: The images are not the ones I meant to post… but once you have uploaded them you cannot remove them…

        So enjoy them, even if they are OT. (Not in the Scientology OT way!)

  • I stole this pic from Jefferson.

    • Ella Raitch

      Nice!

      • Three excellent vids on Megyn Kelly so far!

        • Ella Raitch

          Has the last one been uploaded?

    • Mockingbird

      Stolen !

    • Mockingbird

      If I remember correctly you told me you were in Scientology? May I ask how long and how long have you been out ?

      • Sure. About 15 years in, 4 years out. Your turn.

        • Mark Foster

          Dodo, same numbers. 🙂

          • Mockingbird

            Do you mean you were also in for 15 years and out for 4 ?

            • Mark Foster

              Yep.

        • Mockingbird

          Lil’ old me ? In 25 years out 1 .

          • Mark Foster

            YES! You´ve been busy! Digging into the blog…Thanks!

            • Mockingbird

              Ha ha , I have about 800 posts at ESMB too. And enough notes for a few books . And I have done about 5% of the research I want to do to be a “fully hatted Scientology critic” !!

              I want to help break down the con as fully as possible from many angles so as to help people recover via education .

              So I got that going for me .

            • Mockingbird

              Please let me know if you ever want anything expanded on or brought up at the blog that I am leaving out or have neglected .

              I really do better at writing with feedback .

            • Mark Foster

              Left some comments. Can´t think of anything else to suggest at the moment….

        • Judith Sylvester

          Thanks. I wondered. You never talk about it. Maybe you have previously.

        • Always Amazed

          Ugh

    • Rita Gregory

      Perfect! Stealing.

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Really enjoyed listening to these scientology-naïve sports-talk guys freakin freak-out after watching Going Clear. If the link doesn’t work, the show is The Hardline on 310 The Ticket sports radio. Look for Going Clear. They vary from laughing hysterically about saluting and sitting at the right hand of “Ron,” to screaming “OMG, it’s so Hitler,”
    http://tun.in/tgO9Xq

    • Are_sics

      Thanks, I never would have heard that if you hadn’t pointed it out. It’s really fun to hear such fresh reactions to many of the lulzy highlights of what’s on youtube!

      • Judith Sylvester

        That was great Dude talk.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Completely awesome. So very very good to hear these newbies’ utter incredulity, disgust, dismay and hilarity at the revelations in Going Clear. They were particularly damning of Cruise, and the laughter at the sight of Cruise saluting El Ron’s photo was infectious. Great audio, thanks for posting.

  • Pierrot

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    • Mockingbird

      Cult of Scientology malfeasance!? I could spend the rest of my life talking about that !!!

      I made the mistake of asking for the cult’s crimes on ESMB about four months ago and got buried !!!

      Almost every damned day I hear of or from a parent who is disconnected from a child or had to bury one because of the cult !!

      It is a combination of infuriating and dissonant to see the depth of the evil AND the routine and usual “standard” way it is carried out . The institutional evil feels like it transcends what one can witness and still have a naive hope that people are automatically – with very few exceptions – good .

      This is one of the hardest , darkest things for a Scientologist or ex to face – WE supported and to some degree participated in this . In a totalistic cult abuse is routine . In fact without the abuse it would not be a cult .

      The abusive relationship makes the environment and actions that demand and achieve totalism . For a person or group to gain total or near total control over victims decision making needs this critical component.

      Without this a groups’ doctrine is not going to create that result .

      Facing this can be overwhelming as it brings many things home all at once . First it completely negates the false claims for “workability” or any benefit from Dianetics and Scientology as Ron Hubbard is exposed as just another abuser and conman and malignant or traumatic narcissist who was a sociopath and cult leader , like so many others before him .

      That alone is devastating . And it brings right out for all to see the fact that the cult member at the very very least was fooled and must reevaluate the majority of their beliefs . They lose the claims to wisdom and noble character and enlightenment that they had . They now know many acts and words were wrong and some may have been outright evil and harmful .

      They may have disconnected from innocent people and even betrayed family and loved ones .Some committed bona fide crimes and some abused others while in the cult .

      This factors into how hard it is to face that you have been living a lie – sometimes for decades .

      I am sure to some ALL long term Scientologists are irrevocably evil or even damned .

      I do not feel that way at all , but accept that judgment will be laid on me by some .

      That is the exit cost for a Scientologist . A harsh reality of perhaps while thinking you are saving the world finding out you may have done more evil in Scientology than all of the good you may accomplish in your life after Scientology .

      Facing the magnitude of evil in the group challenges your faith in humanity ; facing the evil you surely contributed to tests your honesty with yourself .

      • Mymy88

        UGHGHGH, you just got me pissed as H.E.L.L. all over again at $cienfuckology.

        • Mockingbird

          Well, if you speak out against the rampant and continuous abuse I encourage that .

          • Mymy88

            Yes, it is rather motivating, to say the least.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Urgh – Seafood Day. It is Good Friday and my MIL has convinced her children that Good Friday is a ‘no meat’ day… and one must only eat seafood. Meanwhile they get drunk, despite the pubs not being allowed to open. ?? WTF ?? Meat is bad, alcohol is good. Wow, cognitive dissonance at work people.
    Now let’s get past the fact that I think seafood is also ‘meat’, because it comes from a once living animal. WTF?
    And these people aren’t really religious, until it comes to ‘Seafood Day’, as I refer to it (to their faces!) WTF?
    And I am not religious, and say so, and am still expected to not eat MEAT! WTF? (I don’t even really like most seafoods, and even the ones I do I only like a little taster – like say, two prawns, and that doesn’t fill you up!)
    Needless to say I have defied them on occasion, not today, but not because I was compliant, just because I found enough food on today’s menu that had me satisfied. But I just wanted to whinge about it! The next generation are being indoctrinated into Seafood Day… I’m never going to escape it!

    Thank you for indulging me. I am sure that there are plenty here that see no problem with Seafood Day and a piss up – it’s just not my thing.

    • Mockingbird

      I do not like most sea food either so I can sympathize . Hopefully you will not get a one way ticket to the RPF for saying this !!!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Luckily the powers that be in my seafood and alcohol cult don’t give a shit about $cientology or a blog about it, OR are computer illiterate (MIL) – I think I’m safe! haha

        • AmoVolare

          You lucky man! You could have got a MIL who is Vegane… Not once a year, but quite everyday. Just love Vegane people but hate them if they are the cooks of my meals…

          • EnthralledObserver

            That does sound hideous – you poor thing. I’m a lady though, so mostly I cook or source food for myself… it’s really just the principal of the thing that irks me the most.

            • AmoVolare

              Sorry Lady for involuntary sex discrimination: good thing about religious principles (as about gold standards) is that there are a lot of them to choose from.

    • what’suppressive

      Your citizenship has been revoked
      I’m about the eat chilli basil beef……hotter than hell!
      So I’ll be used to it when I get there.

      • EnthralledObserver

        lol. I’ll see you there! :p

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Know what you mean EO-I get round the problem by calling it Hallmark day #3 (or hallmark weekend, there is certainly nothing remotely religious about it any more) Feb 14=hallmark day #1, mothering Sunday=hallmark day #2, etc, etc. Just a fairly lame excuse to get drunk and waste planetary resources on packaging and cards, while celebrating a pagan feast day cynically hijacked by an opportunistic new (at the time!) religion (christianity). Right, got that one of my chest! Carry on everyone 🙂

      • EnthralledObserver

        Oh I hear you – Halloween is making a rising here in Australia lately. WHY do people not see through this farce for what it really is – a commercial excuse to take more MONEY from everyone!? I refuse to let my kids participate (unless they are over a friend’s house and then I don’t give a shit)!

        • Scream Nevermore

          The thing is, Hallowe’en has always been big where I live. But kids would make their own costumes and go ‘guising’ – they’d come to the door and sing a song, or tell a joke, that kind of thing. Now they buy costumes and just demand money from you!

          • EnthralledObserver

            Is it still assault if you throw a cold bucket of water on one of them – rude, little, entitled shits!

            • TheMirrorThetan

              I celebrate Halloween by eating all the lollies I can find in the house and not answering the door 🙂

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              You could always rig up the bucket to a tripwire, so they got soaked as they got to the porch, with a sign on the door saying “HA! Tricked ya! Don’t expect any treats ya little sh..s!” 🙂

            • Scream Nevermore

              Sadly, yes, it is! I just do what TheMirrorThetan does – buy loads of sweets and eat them myself!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Darn it! Well, eating all the chocolate and lollies myself in front of them it is then.

    • Robert Eckert

      “seafood is also ‘meat’, because it comes from a once living animal”
      A medieval author (can’t remember which one) wrote that the difference is that fish copulation does not involve penetration, and therefore eating fish will not arouse the sin of lust, as eating meat does.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Plus the rich and powerful required *something* to eat on Good Friday that wasn’t just vegetables and beans!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        And the smug git probably said it in Latin too, so 99.9% of the population wouldn’t understand anyway! ETA: Got to love that medieval reasoning 🙂

      • Rasha

        Which is interesting, as, from what I’ve gleaned, “Easter” – which is what this leads up to – comes from the Latin “estrus”, the time of fertility, and is symbolized by the ever-procreating rabbit, or hare (see Down Under for what havoc they can wreak with uncontested overpopulation), and the egg. And today, newly hatched chicks, though I don’t know where marshmallow comes into it, are produced by the billions, as Peeps.

        As Pink Floyd so eloquently summed it up, “Shown how to feel good, but told to feel bad.”

        • Robert Eckert

          “Easter” comes through the Germanic, not the Latin, and is from the root of “east” found in multiple names for the goddess of dawn and springtime (Greek Eos, Sanskrit Ushas, Italic Ausosa becoming Aurora by a familiar sound shift); estrus “mating season” is of course another derivative of the same root, and the uses of rabbits and eggs as symbols of course are not-very-oblique sexual references.

          • Rasha

            Interesting, I shall re-glean my info and edit it accordingly, thanks. I still don’t like Peeps, though.

            • Always Amazed

              Blasphemy!!!! Frozen peeps are da bomb.

              When I think of Easter, I immediately go back in time to my sister and I in matching Mom_made scratchy church dresses (w/gloves and hat). The price we paid for the straw basket of candy was fierce back in the day. Heh

            • Rasha

              Okay, once again I shall endeavour to revise my world view and Give Peeps A Chance…. by freezing them. Rarely have I seen something not be improved by judicious application of Physics.

            • Always Amazed

              Must be yellow bunnies and eat one body part at a time, for full spectrum enjoyment.

            • aquaclara

              Peeps are great. Leave them out, unwrapped for a day or two. Then munch. Ears first, of course, if it’s a bunny.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Bet ya ‘no sexual gratification’ on Seafood day will be ignored too! Hypocrites, picking and choosing!

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Defo-“I’ll have the go forth and prosper, and the love thy neighbour-but could I pass on the no graven image, and the eternal hellfire and damnation, please.” It’s like religion lite-only picking and choosing the bits we like, and in Monkey’s opinion, highlights the foolishness of the whole operation.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Got to be careful which seafood EO, all shellfish is banned by Leviticus! (If your MIL wants to go down that route!) Also, I hope no one is: wearing any mixed fibres, not wearing a hat or cap, gay, has any tattoos… etc, etc 🙂

      • Scream Nevermore

        I specifically got a tattoo in Ancient Egyptian, to make sure I get into their afterlife! 😀

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Me too (Egyptian tattoo) they seem to have an altogether more interesting class of afterlife 🙂

          • Scream Nevermore

            At least I can take my cats with me!

      • EnthralledObserver

        LOL – NO SHELLFISH – wait until I bring THAT up to them!

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Have a camera ready for that special Kodak moment 🙂 (then do a ‘Mastercard, priceless’ skit on it 🙂

    • Jo

      Was working last night, sold a lot of fish. It was funny cause folks were asking me strange questions about making fish pies. Had to use my part time blank face, don’t have a clue look. I really don’t have have a clue about fish, just bag it up and sell it.

    • Juicer77

      Jesus ate with tax collectors and tossed over tables in the temple.

      Eat that meat! 🙂

  • Just chatted with an old friend who is on the fence. He reached to me, even though he knows I am an SP.
    He wants to have Guinness with me and he heard about Going Clear. Interesting.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Nice – at the very least make sure to have a great chat and a great time together! 🙂

      • My closing line – Thanks for talking to this SP. His reply – SP? Fuck that!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Smiling.

        • Mark Foster

          Bravo, DTL, he´s on the underground railroad out of the scam!

        • EnthralledObserver

          *Nods* Good work, son. 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Guiness is a good start. Speaking to an SP is a brave jump. Your kindness will help him through it.

      • Thanks. I sent you couple more emails, btw.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Got them. Passed them on and some other info. Tks. I concur.

    • Juicer77

      That’s great news, Dodo. You’re a good friend.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      You know the drill, try to keep it as on the hush as possible so that no one else inside the CoS catches wind of it.

  • It’s Good Friday. One thing that’s rarely mentioned here is how Christianity has helped people recover from $cientology. Hubbard was very evil – the story’s been told of how he used a small book “Scientology and the Bible” to convince people like me that the “applied philosophy” as it was called in the 70s aligned with the world’s biggest religion. Thomas Jefferson made a Bible in which he stripped out everything except the principles of Jesus. These have made a big difference in my life and got me through insanities like the RPF, being told I was a Suppressive Person, dealing with the general insanity of Hubbardom, etc. I also saw people leave and find peace with Christianity. There were two Class 8 auditors who ran the training academy at CCLA. One was James Fiducia who was married to actress Joan Prather and the other was Ron Santasierro. The last time I saw Ron he had left staff (during the executive purge when so many executives in the L.A. area were sent to the RPF so Hubbard would have a free hard-working labor force to renovate the newly-purchased Cedars of Lebanon hospital in to “the Complex.”) Ron told me he was attending a church in Pasadena and very happy. I didn’t think much of it, because I mistakenly thought $cientology was compatible with Christianity or even if you didn’t want to be in the cult, that was OK. Things were pretty different in the late 70s. I know that people like Spanky Taylor found solace in returning to Christianity (hers in Catholicism). There’s a lot of peace of mind to be found there. I know some folks will probably viciously lash out at my support of Christianity and call it magical thinking or whatever, rail angrily about a God they don’t think is there, but know this or choose to ignore it – the principles of Jesus when applied can bring peace of mind to people leaving $cientology, and some of them were involved before getting into the cult. I’ve seen prayer work constantly throughout my life, and I pray for people to leave the not-church and find peace of mind and spirit, and for the evil cult to come to an end, and those prayers work. That’s what I’m thinking about this Good Friday.

    • Juicer77

      Many non-Christians don’t realize that the “church” is not a building or the clergy or an organization. It’s each person who lives day by day trying to serve others and show them the face of Christ. Not a coercion, not a guilt trip, not a forced acceptance. Just love. Have a blessed Good Friday and happy Easter, Skip.

      • Amen, Juicer, and wishing you the same.

  • Tory Christman

    I loved Robert Vaughn Young (aka: “Vaughn” to those how knew him). He was a prolific and amazing writer, who wrote a great deal for Scientology and then left. I did not see him for some time, and then re-connected with him soon after I escaped OUT in July of 2000. He began calling me daily to make sure I was “ok”. I thought that was SO kind, especially since I had lost every one of my “old” friends who stayed “in”, which back then was ALL of them, except a few special people I won’t mention here, for their sake.

    He told me a couple things I wanted to share here, that I’ve never forgotten:
    1) Leaving Scientology is a lot like the “Battered Woman Syndrome” where people leave, then feel they need to return, etc. (I never, ever had that. Once I finally woke up, I was like a bird let out of a cage they’d been in for 30 years. Return? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?)
    But no doubt, especially in the years, past pre Internet, people, some people did return. (Most did not, and are very happy they didn’t).

    2) He was the 1st person to tell me: “Tory, this is like a relay race—you run it as long as you want to or can,
    and then pass the baton onto the next person.

    He’ll be with us for a very, very long time. People like Robert Vaughn Young don’t go away.
    What he’s written and just he himself shall always be loved. I give thanks that I knew him.
    Blessings and Happy Easter or Passover to ALL 🙂
    Tory/Magoo