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Gerry Armstrong’s full 1997 ‘Secret Lives’ interview about L. Ron Hubbard

Gerry_Armstrong_SLWe have a special treat for you today. It’s another full interview leaked for the first time from Channel 4’s excellent 1997 documentary, Secret Lives — L. Ron Hubbard, and this time with Gerry Armstrong, who is probably very well known to most readers of this website.

The documentary is one of the better ones made about Scientology, and it contains numerous short clips of people who knew Hubbard. A source is releasing to us the uncut segments with these participants for the first time. So far, we’ve seen interviews with Hubbard’s literary agent, Forrest Ackerman, his press assistant and lover, Barbara Klowden, one of Hubbard’s fellow science fiction colleagues, Arthur Jean Cox, the former mayor of Clearwater, Florida, Gabe Cazares, and Hubbard’s former medical officer, Jim Dincalci.

Gerry Armstrong is a special figure indeed. We’ve told his story before, and you might want to look at those pieces (one, two) before watching him here. But what’s important to know is that Gerry worked closely with Hubbard in the 1970s, and he came across and preserved a vast collection of Hubbard’s personal papers, which later became the subject of a nasty lawsuit as Scientology demanded that Armstrong return them.

Gerry won that battle, ensuring that Hubbard’s actual history (or at least a large part of it) was preserved and helped journalists writing books about Hubbard get accurate material.

In the video, you’ll see that Gerry’s interview picks up with events in 1975, when Hubbard was ending several years of running Scientology from sea and moved to land in Florida. But after just a few months, Hubbard had to flee when a tailor recognized him in the town of Dunedin.

Hubbard went to Washington DC, but then sent Armstrong to California to prepare for his move there. In La Quinta Gerry got to see Hubbard making films with his Sea Org crew, which included a young David Miscavige.

An interesting detail: Gerry says he was sent to the RPF (the Sea Org’s prison detail) for joking. And it lasted eight months.

Gerry has some really interesting insights into Hubbard and his behavior. Dig in, and tell us what you found most interesting…

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Another full page ad in London, where the advertising standards are stricter, right?

 
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Handing out The Way to Happiness in St. Petersberg, Russia!

 
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Those Venezuelans love to get The Way to Happiness in schools!

 
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The Clearwater Academy calls this “10th grade Community Service.” Working central files is community service? If you say so.

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 27, 2015 at 07:00

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  • flyonthewall

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          • flyonthewall

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        Never get complacent! Not till the finish line is crossed.

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          • Missionary Kid

            I’m going to a different place that has WiFi, so I can vote again.

            • beauty for ashes

              Missionary kid is going on a mission…. (insert MI sountrack here)
              Who know where it will lead him, what dangers he’ll face, and how many hearts he’ll break. We’ll keep an eye out for him from our underground bunker. filled with spy cats and caek.

            • flyonthewall

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            • Missionary Kid

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              I’ve also rebooted my modem.

            • Liam

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              Clam schools are fountains of misinformation.

            • Todd Tomorrow

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            • flyonthewall

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            • Liam

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            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve done it. thrice. Screw Co$.

    • Chee Chalker

      You would think with 8 million adherents, they could beat a Humane Society. Kind of ironic that a HUMANE SOCIETY defeats the INSANE SOCIETY that is Scientology.

      Better a.group that helps innocent animals rather than a group that helps one animal.

    • Eclipse-girl

      This morning the Humane society had a 200 vote lead that dropped to 25 votes at one point.

      I would like to have more of a lead.

  • romanesco

    ¡¡¡QUE VOTAR POR FAVOR!!!

    Don’t let $cientology’s Washbrain Academy get a free $20K!

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  • MaxSpaceman

    Gerry Armstrong has more courage and strength of character than John Travolta or Thom Cruize ever will.

    JT and TC are both inauthentic people. The opposite of what scientology promotes, claims and promises.

    • I was going to post an LRH quote about control but I got so damn confused and said screw it. In a nutshell, Scientology is about mind control, enslaving the masses and suppressing creativity and progress. Not too mention justifying endless abuses of human rights for the purpose of making money for the Drag Midget Queen.

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  • RMycroft

    Found another “new” one, part of the legal battle over A Piece of Blue Sky:
    High Court Lets Scientology Copyright Suit Die October 15, 1990, Associated Press

    According to New Era’s 1989 lawsuit, it plans to publish a biography of Hubbard that will draw on both his published and unpublished works.

    New Era sued after learning that Carol Publishing Group planned to publish a book by Jonathan Caven-Atack entitled ”A Piece of Blue Sky: Scientology, Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard Exposed.”
    [..]
    The appeal said the 2nd Circuit court’s ruling conflicts with a 1985 Supreme Court decision in which the justices said public figures have first rights to present in their own words their role in history.

    Heh. What a wacky argument! Claims that because they are doing a bio, no one else can do one until they publish theirs—and then they never publish one!

    If only they had a good biographer with access to a trove of documents…

    • Missionary Kid

      Oooh the irony!

      $cientology screwed themselves on that one, especially since it now has a legal ruling specifically about them on the record. I hope Jon didn’t have to pay for legal expenses.

      • RMycroft

        It’s probably moot now. The Supreme Court didn’t even decide on it, just let the 2nd Circuit court’s ruling stand. I suspect whatever that 1985 Supreme Court decision was that Scientology was trying twist is gone now too—it sounds too easy to abuse in just this way, and there have been a lot of unauthorized biographies in recent years, like Andrew Morton’s unauthorized Tom Cruise bio.

        Since the Supreme Court didn’t hear it, they didn’t award costs either. I’m afraid that Carol Publishing (and their insurance) had to pay for a long expensive back-and-forth battle, which they lost at least once on the way up through the system.

        Judge Blocks Unauthorized Biography of Scientology Founder January 31, 1990, Vera Haller, Associated Press

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks.

    • Robert Eckert

      They’ve published the Roncyclopedia!

  • Liam

    Just found the time to watch the Gerry Armstrong video. He is such an impressive character, with poise that is almost surreal. But the last few minutes of the video pretty much confirms what we’ve suspected for years: Scientology is based on black magick

  • Sydjazz

    How many exes still believe in the tech? Just throwing it out there

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That’s a tough one to answer honestly in the Bunker. I’d imagine it’s like putting a kick me sign on ones own back.

      • Sydjazz

        Not really. I am sure there are still indys

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Surely, but I bet they are much more likely to mention the Indy thing other places. We are known as kind of Indy meanies around here.

      • daytoncapri

        I feel that
        we have ex-cult members who could answer to the affirmative with zero nostalgia. The observation about the “kick me” sign is correct. Why should they want to?

        So, hell, I’ll answer. Being flamed doesn’t bother me.

        I had some wins when I was in. They helped to form my thinking when I was in my 20s.

        That was nearly 40 years ago. I’ve since moved on to other disciplines. (Read these two sentences twice, please.)

        LRH was just a squirrel, you know. He stole “good, workable tech” from every source he could, and mixed it with his own BS and need to be in control.

        Be careful about replying to me, I might just ack you.

        • Liam

          I’ve had some wins at the coffee machine in my office, just socializing. It was free.

          I ack your wins. But I only ack them because I know you are fighting corporate SCN. And, most importantly, you are out.

          • daytoncapri

            Acked, and thanks for the ack. Free is excellent. A dollar or so for a coffee is OK too. Wins inside are one thing, but bigger wins are found outside..

            • Liam

              I can’t tell you how happy that makes me! So glad you are out!

            • daytoncapri

              txs, left a long time ago.

        • Baby

          dayton.. I respect your candor.. I would say as I always said…that the wins that you got was from others because as you say

          ” He stole from others.. ” ( paraphrased ) Just glad that you are out and with us now..

          • daytoncapri

            thanks Baby. I got out easy, and am doing fine. That’s not the case for a couple friends.

            • Baby

              xo

    • Ben Franklin

      A lot of exes who still believe in tech don’t hang out here as much, they use other sites that don’t say negative things about LRH. The way I see it, the bunker is the final stage of decompression. Those who come here and still believe that Hubbard is source and that his words are infallible, are far in between.

    • Liam

      Most of them eventually stop believing the the tech after a few years of healthy socialization. The key is normal social interaction. That is the disinfectant for Hubbard’s contagion.

      • Ben Franklin

        This is after becoming clear again once Hubbard programing is gone. It is very hard to get rid of Hubbard’s programing if you are still taking auditing. Those who stop auditing process come back to reality faster than those who do. Auditing keeps people in a hypnotic state. In this state,normal achievements seem like tremendous achievements (i.e wins).

        • Liam

          Agree 100%

    • aegerprimo

      My guess, there are not a lot of indies hanging at the Bunker.

      • Liam

        Some do lurk, however. Scientia is one, who makes great comments on occasion.

        • aegerprimo

          I’m glad they lurk and occasionally comment.

          • Liam

            As far as I’m concerned, if they aren’t paying dues or being part of a malignant organization, then to each their own.

      • Ben Franklin

        There are more indies at Rathbun and Rinder’s site than here because Bunkaroos don’t spare the rod when it comes to either DM or LRH. Indies prefer a little bit of brakes when it comes to Source

    • scnethics

      “Believing in the tech” means different things to different people. I can say for sure that I don’t believe in the tech, and whenever I do anything that a scientologist would approve of and recognize as agreeing with “the tech”, I think twice about it, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t learn some things while in scientology that are useful. It doesn’t matter if these things are common sense, stolen from somewhere else or whatever – I learned them while in scientology and never got rid of them. Hubbard wanted people to be productive because that meant more money for him, so he did try to give sound advice for doing well in life.

      For example, if you come into a lot of money or start making a lot more money than you’ve been making, a scientologist would say “you are in a condition of affluence on money” and might follow the formula for that condition, which is to 1. economize and don’t buy anything with any future commitment, 2. pay every bill, then there are two other steps that are good too, but these are the most important – in fact, number one is the absolute most important. If everyone faced with a big raise or a windfall would simply refrain from buying anything on credit and also economize (fight strongly against the very natural urge to spend), there is no doubt they would end up better financially. Of course, in scientology there needs to be a step 0., which would be to keep this money secret from the church. If I come into extra money, I resist the urge to spend it and avoid the temptation to finance a better car or buy a bigger house. If I have any debt to pay off, that’s the first thing I’ll think about doing with that money. I know that’s just common sense, but I sure see a lot of people that don’t have any of that. I sure didn’t have any sense when it came to money when I got into scientology.

      Another very powerful idea I got while in scientology is the title Mike Rinder uses for his blog, “Something can be done about it.” In scientology, nothing is hopeless, there is always something you can do and the wrong thing to do is nothing. In life and especially in work and business, you face a lot of obstacles and having this attitude built into your being makes you more resilient. It’s a quality you’ll find in just about every scientologist you meet. Certainly this is an old idea, but it’s not something I ever “got” before being in scientology and being surrounded with it.

  • Andrew Robertson

    I suspect that any mention of the word ‘cricket’ on the Bunker may provoke terminal boredom so I’ll use an analogy instead.

    Imagine a competition between the Orgs in Australia and New Zealand for Ron’s Birthday Game.

    Which of the Orgs would end up in a condition of Affluence and which one in Despair. Remember that too many forced disconnections could markedly change the result.

    Well, we won’t know till close of play tonight and I’ll try not to use the ‘c’ word again as it’s offensive to some.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/cricket/31022411

    Andrew

    • Sydjazz

      Cricket is just organised loafing 🙂

      • Ella Raitch

        It is a very….ahem…nuanced game

      • Ardent

        Try catching a very hard , and I mean, HARD ball going over 100kph with bare hands.

        • giggler

          I did with my mouth once, lost my two front teeth

    • flyonthewall

      cricket is just Brits copying American baseball

      • Ben Franklin

        It is the other way around because cricket is older than baseball.

        • flyonthewall

          I think you are a bit confused Mr. Franklin

          • Ben Franklin

            Maybe you are right

            • flyonthewall

              you’re damn right i am and i think you owe me an apology mister!

            • giggler

              Cricket much older game than baseball

            • flyonthewall

              you are plainly an athletic bigot

            • giggler

              Just an old bigot

            • Robert Eckert

              The traditional “start” of baseball was when Civil War general Abner Doubleday established a set of rules, to smooth out variants among the troops recruited from all over the north– but of course, that attempt at standardization was only necessary because the game was already widespread. In the Hall of Fame at Cooperstown I saw ads for regular games between New York teams in the 1830’s, and I’ve also seen town ordinances from mid-18th-century Massachusetts forbidding the playing of baseball too near to houses– roughly contemporary to 1744, when the first rules for cricket were established. So, by the middle of the 18th century cricket had evolved to where baseball would be about a century later, but both games quite evidently already had some lengthy history behind them.

            • flyonthewall

              Well said sir. 1000 pardons, I beg thee

            • Ben Franklin

              Not too fast if you check Wikipedia you may find out the truth.

            • flyonthewall

              the tooth or the truth?

            • Ben Franklin

              The tooth is much better.

        • Robert Eckert

          Neither achieved their modern form until fairly recent times. They have evolved separately from basic stickball games that doubtless go back to the Neolithic.

          • flyonthewall

            neither achieved their blah blah blah snoooorrrreeee

      • Ardent

        Hope that’s a joke, fly!

        • flyonthewall

          I’m just starting evil, sorry had a bit of the troll in me there for a minute. I’m better now

          • Ardent

            No problemo.

    • giggler

      The ozzzies seem to be struggling today!!!!

    • Ardent

      Some of us love cricket, Andrew. I played wickets and as a batsman was considered a safe-enough wall to be on the pitch with someone who could really bat. My record, I think, was a 2! But I was a very quick wicket-keeper.

    • Draco

      Damn – they are showing the India v UAE here on local TV. I will have to check online for updates!

      • Andrew Robertson

        The game was nerve wracking at the end. Australia came back brilliantly and almost pulled back victory from the jaws of defeat.

        Andrew

        Former Australia fast bowler Glenn McGrath writes on
        Twitter: “Amazing game between Australia and New Zealand. Great
        fightback by the Aussies but just couldn’t get there. Well played
        Kiwis.”

  • romanesco
    • RMycroft

      That won’t work if you’re behind a router (and you should be). The router will just give your PC another local address, and the voting site* will still see the unchanged IP address of the router.

      You need to reset the router, either by a reset button or unplugging it for a few minutes. Then hope that your ISP hands out IP addresses dynamically, but it probably does.

      * reading between the lines here.

      • romanesco

        True. I’m on DSL.

  • Sydjazz
    • Todd Tomorrow

      This is “Arrassssmannnt”, Anyone familiar with the security guard Franc, will know what I man.

      • Ben Franklin

        Franc is in a lot of AGP videos

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I ran into him in LA just walking around and said real loud,”Hi, Franc.” He turned his bike around and said,”What did you say?” I then told him to kiss my ass in French.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Oh gosh – how fun. I think if I ever met him in person I’d definitely follow up with “Hi Gorgeous!”
            What can I say, I am an AGP video fan. lol

          • Ben Franklin

            I am surprised Franc is still in it. Not many guards have received real talk and survived staying in direct connection with the public like he has. Franc or Odo are usually the two guards commonly assigned to handle AGP.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He was gone for a long time in the RPF but somehow got out. When I’m in LA I like to walk around the buildings and sure enough there he was. Boy he is hot tempered. Suprised he didn’t try to detain me for telling him to kiss my ass in French.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      This is bm’s, mistress and she just stopped by big blue to get some money for her pregnancy.

  • aegerprimo

    This is off topic, but maybe not. Many comments today about Star Trek, Spock. The character, Spock, created by Gene Roddenberry, was NOTHING like a Scientologist. First of all, Spock was loyal to his friends, he would’ve died for them. Scientologists will throw their friends under the bus if they can financially gain from it. Secondly, Spock was VERY SMART. Yes there were some Scientologists who are very smart…. most of them are now EX-scientologists. The average scientologist is not all that smart. We here at the Bunker, make fun of their crappy grammar and spelling skills, for example.

    Gene Roddenberry had a great idea which he conveyed with Star Trek, the United Federation of Planets, a humanitarian and peacekeeping armada. IMHO, this idea is as amazing as Isaac Asimov’s idea of the positronic brain for robots and the three laws of robots (Google it). These sort of ideas will be taken to the next level by others.

    L Ron Hubbard wished he could be like such science fiction visionaries. His idea and creation was a trap (discussed and doxed daily here at the Bunker). It is obvious to me that Hubbard did not have the same vision as creative people like Roddenberry, Asimov, etc. The biggest part of Scientology is that people CANNOT take the vision (even Hubbard’s twisted vision) to another level. This has been the slow death of scientology (thank goodness really).

    Anyway, Leonard Nimoy, will be missed. I believe this talented actor saw and understood Gene Roddenberry’s vision, and played his character, Spock, brilliantly.

    • Rasha

      …and Spock did die for his friends. Plus, Roddenberry explored the concept of rational thought and how it plays counterpoint to emotional, sometimes non-rational thought, in the role of Spock.

      Hubbard simply redefined it as, “whatever I say it is to benefit me… Okay, let’s move on to ‘ethical’.. muahahahaha…” Jackass.

    • Ben Franklin

      I think we can all agree that Spock was a logical man, in Scientology there is no such thing as logic. One is only allowed to act like Hubbard, you can not even think your own thoughts.

      Star trek believed in working with others, for Scientology it is more about destroying or dominating others.

    • RMycroft

      In the Federation, people had no cash. How could Scientology exist?

      • aegerprimo

        EXACTLY!

      • Ben Franklin

        They don’t need cash they can reg anything including ships, stations, weapons etc to build ideal planets or galaxies

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They used i-tasers.

    • Ardent

      I’m glad you mentioned Roddenberry’s creation of a United Federation of Planets. So much is good about Star Trek.
      It does rank with Asimov’s Laws of Robotics. When people start in on the dangers of robots (android ones) I always say, “program the Laws of Robotics.” I get funny looks…

      • aegerprimo

        Do. Not. Understand. What. You. Mean.

        • Ardent

          Most people have not read Asimov’s laws. Nor his robot novels and stories. Well, I mean many people. Seems strange to me, but that is my experience.

          • aegerprimo

            Yes, and that is why I said Google it so I would NOT have to include them in my comment.

            Here they are:

            1 – A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

            2- A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

            3- A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

            • Robert Eckert

              1 – A Republican may not injure a corporation or, through inaction, allow a corporation to come to harm.

              2- A Republican must obey the orders given it by corporations, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

              3- A Republican must protect its political existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

            • Techie

              Sadly impossible to code in the Real World. At what address in memory is the concept “human being” encoded and which instructions would constitute “harm”? If I code a robot arm to move 25 degrees, and a sensor shows that there is an obstacle at 20 degrees, what sensor signature shows without a doubt that the obstacle is a human and not the object I am supposed to be moving? A grand concept but impossible to implement.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Philistines

    • Pan-Deterrentism

      Unlike Scientology, he was human. RIP SPOCK. (F5)

    • Frodis73

      Beautiful tribute to Leonard and Gene…and Isaac for that matter. Star Trek was such a huge part of growing up for me…it’s the utopia I wished I could live in, ’cause this place/time just sucks. I’m such a cynic the vast majority of time, but ST touches on that little ember of hope I still have buried deep for humanity. We have to get better…do better…please, somebody, tell me we do!! Sorry, rambling.

      • Draco

        I think we do “do better”, Frodis. The internet does not only expose scientology for what it is, it exposes lots of other things and people too.
        I think we will grow as a civilization by each person deciding to do just a little bit better each day. Be kinder, do random acts of kindness, be more aware of others and their struggles. It begins and grows with each individual, and we can each do something about it.

    • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

      aegerprimo, you are absolutely right that you cannot make a blanket statement that Spock, or Vulcans are like Scientologists. I think where this comparison originated from was the fact that in Scientology, especially the Sea Org, Human Emotion and Reaction also called “HE&R” is a big no no and needs to be avoided at all times. Vulcans also have a similar view towards emotion and use a ritual called Kolinahr to purge themselves of emotion to reach a state called Arie’mnu. This I believe would be the only comparison.

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    So I’m 2/3rds done with the annual House of Cards binge watch marathon. Now that Frank’s the president, everyone is going after him rather than him being able to bring down people higher up on the ladder. Ironically, in every crisis situation this season so far, he’s used the Way to Happiness as a solution 0% of the time. Good thing too, because the show would only be three episodes long- 1. Problems, 2. Way to Happiness, 3. Yay! WTH!! Thanks Frank!! Give to the IAS!! Conflict is more interesting.

    Also, shed a couple of tears for Leonard Nimoy, sci-fi antithesis of LRH. LLAPIP, sir. (Live Long and Prosper In Peace)

    • Frodis73

      Lol. I’m pacing myself..3 eps in. I’m really upset about Leonard Nimoy and just wanted a Star Trek fix vs my Frank fix.

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    Hi Bunkeroos. Haven’t been around and probably won’t be able to for another few days. Hopefully I can at least catch up on Tony’s posts. My father is in hospital in ICU and one of we three daughters is staying there 24/7. it doesn’t leave time for much else but I would not want to be anywhere else. Keep up the good fight and send healing thoughts / prayers my dad’s way. xo

    • flyonthewall

      here’s praying for a speedy recovery

    • Rita Gregory

      Prayers and healing thoughts going out, Shelly.

    • Liam

      Will send healing thoughts, Shelly

    • Eclipse-girl

      take your of your father and your family.
      remember that you need to care of yourself, too.
      I hope for the best.

    • Baby

      Shelly I am so sorry..No need to respond..You just do what you have to do.. sending nothing but love and positive thoughts your way.. Prayers are a given from me.. Love baby

    • Draco

      Sending prayers, hugs and love your way, Shelly. Your dad is fortunate to have 3 daughters that care so much for him; this will help him. xo

    • Frodis73

      Shelly, I’m so sorry to hear about your dad. My thoughts are with you and your family. Just take care of each other.

    • Juicer77

      Sending prayers up for all of you.

    • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

      Healing thoughts being sent Shelly.

  • Gerry Armstrong

    This interview was in Vancouver, BC in 1997. I had left the US earlier that year when I had discovered online a piece of what the Scientologists filed to get their 1993 IRS tax exemption, which included black PR on me. I’ve written about this a number of times.

    Recently Caroline and I have assembled materials that show that the US Federal Government conspired with the Scientologists to violate public policy in the process of the grant of tax exemption. See, e.g., the introduction to the Armstrong Op site: http://armstrong-op.gerryarmstrong.ca/about

    Lawrence Wright did not deal with the public policy issue in Going Clear, nor the content of the Scientologists’ submissions to the IRS that contain false statements and constitute public policy violations. I was not contacted for the Alex Gibneyfilm, but assume per Joe Nocera’s NY Times piece that it follows the Wright plot and does not mention public policy. In his 1997 NY Times article Douglas Frantz provides very useful facts about the conspiracy, but also does not mention the public policy issue. Yet, public policy was central to the IRS’s dealings in and out of court with the Scientologists over decades. It is still central today.

    If you are a smart person with a conscience, please study these materials. If you know of smart people with consciences, please tell them about the public policy issue in the Scientologists’ long war with the IRS.
    http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1298 This includes smart, conscienceful people in every country, because the Scientologists flourish their unlawfully obtained IRS tax exemption and seek undeserved
    advantages with this ill-gotten decision in every country.

    “After the most thorough invest in IRS history,” my ass.

    Anyone who begins to study about the public policy issue in the IRS matter will encounter an almost unfathomable depth of black PR on me, from the most unexpected sources. Please do not be dissuaded from understanding this incredible situation by the assaults on my credibility. In reality, the assaults on my credibility in the Scientologists’ submissions to the IRS are the most blatant examples of public policy violations. The Scientologists and their collaborators committed crimes against me, and a connected set of victims, to be able to commit crimes against everyone. A license from the IRS to criminals to commit crimes against citizens, especially the SP class who expose them as criminals, cannot but be against public policy. The post- submission smears are to reduce my credibility to beast level so no one will grant me an instant of credence.

    I wrote Jesse Prince a note recently about the transpersonal factors and effects in my legal relationship with the Scientologists. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1270 This balances the black PR that Scientology v. Armstrong is my personal battle and nobody should do anything about it because nobody is my personal army. Another black PR line is that the Scientology v. Armstrong war is a “grudge match.” Check out how it gets hidden away on ESMB by people presenting as the Scientologists’ opponents. Other common attack lines are that Scientology v. Armstrong is just about me selling out, or just about an injunction I’m sour grapes over, or that the injunction is legal, or that I’m just a scofflaw.

    There is no one the Scientologists fair gamed more than me during the period Rathbun ran the fair gaming. If there is someone he had fair gamed more than me, he has never identified that person. The one person Rathbun fair gamed somewhat equivalently was my own attorney Michael Flynn. Yet the Scientology v. Armstrong fair gaming, including majorly the IRS conspiracy, is what Rathbun has done nothing about, except for further black PR and furtherance of his crimes against me, and Flynn, in his 2013 book Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior.

    An astonishing recent attack on my credibility came from Chris Shelton, and it was directly on the issue of the
    IRS tax exemption. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1317 Shelton did not deal with the facts or the content of my evidence or argument, just smeared me in relationship to Rathbun, and then would do nothing to support or correct his smear. Shelton presented as someone who had rejected Scientology, called himself an expert, claimed a high level of logic, had never communicated to me, and cheer-leading “Justice for All.”

    One of the black PR lines on me is that,yes, I exposed Hubbard and that was good, but that was then, old history, and then I sold out, and now I’m seeing things, or some such putdown. But the history didn’t stop with me exposing Hubbard. The story became what the Scientologists did to prevent his exposure, which was mainly by destroying my credibility so that no one would listen to me exposing him. He has been exposed for a long time. The story therefore has become what the Scientologists and their collaborators have done to destroy my credibility so that no one would listen to me about what they have done and are doing to destroy my credibility. A key piece of what they did to destroy my credibility, and me, is in their submission to the IRS on which their tax exemption was granted.

    The Scientology v. Armstrong conflict is not old, or lost, or unwinnable. Neither is Armstrong v. Scientology, US, et al. The Scientologists’ tax exemption is not irreversible, and in any case the coconspirators should be exposed for that crime.

    Thanks for the many kind comments. It’s very encouraging.

    • Nat-lificent

      Hi Gerry,
      Thanks for opening the door for the truth!
      Sincerely,
      Natalia

    • Thank you, Gerry!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thank you Gerry. I remember the conversation we had some years ago. I really did try to get an attorney to help me, and thought I had one in Ford Greene. But he never lifted a finger.

      You are the gold standard for courage in exposing Hubbard and Scientology. What they have done to you and tried to do to you is criminal.

      Most folks, including a lot of ex-scientologists simply do not realize that the factual, personal records of Hubbard that showed from his own documentation that the image he portrayed of himself was a sham and a con, was and is central to understanding and combating Scientology.

      This information you got out about Hubbard is simply the most relevant and most damning of all.

      This is why you are attacked. And this is why you must be supported and helped. All the black PR and fair game crap is just “everybody knows” stuff spread to discredit you and I don’t believe it. I say that for the benefit of others reading this post.

      I’m glad you are there. And still communicating the truth.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ve always said that, too. Not one of fans for a long time especially, Rathburn. But then we don’t know what info he has fessed up to the Fed’s. He’s come a long way off the indie band wagon. Still don’t know what to think.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I think both Mike and Marty have come a long way out of the Scientologist mindset. Maybe even all the way out. I don’t want to minimize that. It’s huge. And I cheer for them over that.

          And you are right, they have most likely shared much with the Feds we do not yet know. Perhaps we will know soon, or more likely, eventually.

          But even given that, I am not aware that they have publicly stepped up to a thorough self examination and admission of the harm they caused in their years of authority over some of the nastiest and reprehensible activities of Scientology. There should be apologies. I would be happy to read such if it exists and I am not aware of it.

          Atonement should be in proportion to the transgression. Or at least that is what I believe. They have a lot to atone for.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            This issue has driven me crazy and has caused many problems on this site. But we know they covered up a murder(Lisa), joked about getting Annie Broker back with the use of JT’s jet. They or at least belong in jail. And the fair gaming is hellish.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTWWC6leyb0

            • Mymy88

              NOOOO MOOOORE WIRE HANGERS!!!!!

          • Gerry Armstrong

            This scenario of Rathbun and Rinder talking to the FBI or going to the Feds has been brought up several times over the past few years. It is used as evidence of them doing the right thing, or how effective they are as critics, as it has been assumed that whatever they told the Feds helped the Scientologists’ victims.

            In view of the known facts, however, this assumption is illogical. It is illogical to think that Rathbun and Rinder would lie about me in Memoirs, continue the criminal framing of me and Mike Flynn, black PR me and other persons he victimized, and yet tell the truth about what they did to fair game us to the Feds.

            Rathbun went to the Feds all sorts of times while working inside the cult and in charge of fair game under Miscavige.Rathbun went to the Feds, and had others go to the Feds, about Flynn and me. Rathbun lied to the Feds then, and there is no reason to believe he is not lying to them now. Until he tells the truth to his victims about his victimizing them, his talking to the FBI is just like Kendrick Moxon talking to the FBI.

            All the “Indies” talking to all the FBI had the effect of ending any investigation into the cult. All Rathbun’s followers would have black PRed me and others similarly positioned SPs to the Feds.

            It must be understood, of course, that the Feds conspired with the Scientologists against the Scientologists’ victims. http://armstrong-op.gerryarmstrong.ca/the-operators When Scientologist conspirators like Rathbun and Rinder talk to the Feds, they are talking to their coconspirators. The cure is the public exposure of the conspirators and breaking of the conspiracy, not the conspirators talking in secret. That keeps the conspiracy working, which appears to be Rathbun and Rinder’s purpose.

      • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

        Jerry didn’t cast a stone that caused a minor crack, he threw a brick that smashed in the whole wind shield, and $cientology has been trying to repair it ever since. The emperor would still be clothed if it wasn’t for Gerry.

        Michael, I think your assessment here is spot on. Seems to me that Marty and Mike have made a lot of progress in shedding the Cult-think but there are probably a couple of layers here and there that will peel off as time goes on. The big layer still remaining in my opinion is their relationship to and with Gerry Armstrong and especially for Marty, the IRS dealings. In Scienospeak, they are “Not-Ising” (ignoring, not accepting, acknowledging what is actually there) these factors and they probably aren’t even aware of the ways in which it affects them to not address these issues directly. Instead, they let it persist and so it never “As-Ises” and will continue to persist. I’m sure Hubbard stole those ideas from Taoism or something. But it makes sense.

        When I was in Dept. 3 (Ethics Section) at Gold during the 90’s, when all of the IRS handlings were going down, there were definitely rumors circulating about what was going on behind the scenes. One of the things being talked about was that we, meaning $cientology/RTC/OSA, were doing a “noisy investigation” on the Commissioner of the IRS, Fred Goldberg at the time. There was a Freedom magazine (OSA publication) that came out with a bunch of personally embarrassing info about agents of the IRS, including Goldberg. I believe in that same issue it covered members of the Cult Awareness Network, and tried to expose the then head of CAN as having been formerly employed as a stripper. Anyways, in one of the Base briefings by Miscavige, he announced that teams were sent to the offices of the IRS in DC with stacks of Freedom to pass them out to every person entering and exiting the building. They even left stacks in the lobby apparently. I’m sure Fred Goldberg was thrilled about the campaign. Who knows what else was being done to get to Fred? I’m sure Marty knows.

        If Marty and Mike decided to open a dialog with Gerry to attempt to set things straight and work together to resolve whatever issues they have, that would be a major milestone. So far their refusal to do this at all after numerous requests from Gerry over the years to get the ball rolling is a red flag to some degree. I don’t think it’s just an apology that’s needed. It’s more about removing the axe from the grindstone, setting the record straight and getting the truth out there so that these men can move forward in their lives and relations, especially Gerry’s.

        There’s a lot of detail being withheld despite lots of blogging and story telling. Like they say, the Devil is in the details. And like you said, it’s perhaps a case of knowing that criminal charges are possible with their knowledge and involvement in certain things. Who knows? But their relation to Gerry is something that can be worked on and possibly resolved right now or at least sooner than later.

    • giggler

      a great interview thanks, you must be incredibly brave and resilient, a true hero in the critic community, thank you for your sacrifices

    • Liam

      Thanks for all your amazing work!

    • Zana

      Your video interview was intelligent, credible and clear. Thank you for sharing here as well as for the amazing work you have already done.

    • Spackle Motion

      Gerry, any link to where Shelton attacked your credibility?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It is right in Gerry’s link.

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, I’d like to see the original FB posts, because from what I read I’m confused and don’t see how Chris is out to get Gerry. Wth am I missing?

        • Todd Tomorrow

      • EnthralledObserver

        Gerry provided a link in his comment to his blog where he has an essay detailing the Shelton issue. Check it out there – a bit eye-opening. Fricken indies (and some exes), eh? Seems to me Hubbard’s bullshit is an almost never-ending mind fuck which ruins some people for life… and you can’t necessarily tell straight away.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Amen, EO.

        • Frodis73

          I read the entire thing…I still don’t see how chris is out to get him or slander him, which is why I wish I could see the original FB post.

        • Draco

          And into the fray I go. I read what Gerry said on his blog. I do have a problem with the way he has posted this in that he appears to copy and paste his emails to Chris, but does not do the same with Chris’s replies. Instead he paraphrases and expresses his interpretation of what Chris has said in reply to him. Why not just copy and paste Chris’s replies and let us draw our own conclusions about this? I know it is his blog and he can do what he likes with it. The thing I dislike the most is insinuating that Chris is still pushing the church’s agenda. With what I have seen of Chris’s work, this is certainly not the case.
          The whole IRS thing is so filled with conspiracy theories and lies and speculation. I don’t think it helps to speculate about how and why it occurred even though it had a huge impact on the way scientology operates.
          What matters is that people keep talking about what really happens inside the church, to people. All of this talk and exposing the abuse will prevent the growth and continue the decline of scientology in the world. In the end they may still have money, but they won’t have people. That’s what counts in my book.
          Yes, not having the official religious cloaking would make a huge difference, but fighting about what happened with the IRS does not help the cause at all. Just IMHO.

          • Frodis73

            Ok, it’s NOT just me. I don’t know Chris or Gerry. Thought maybe it’s cause I’m really tired. For the record, I will read the entire thing again tomorrow…but I just don’t see where Chris is out to smear him, get him or further the Co$ agenda at all.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              My take is this: Chris said some things on FB that disparaged Gerry as a source for information about the IRS deal in favor of Marty’s take on it.

              While this may be Chris’s personal opinion, it is a disparagement, clearly, of Gerry. And it was not private, but on FB, and Chris is building a brand of being a person of honesty, integrity, logic and critical thinking.

              Regardless of Chris’s personal opinion, disparaging Gerry as a source of information, even if innocent, still follows the pattern of Scientology originated disparagement. If it was innocent, Chris should be open to more information from Gerry and his desire to have it corrected publicly, since it was publicly stated.

              Gerry contacted him privately to open a dialog about correcting the statements. Chris it appears, from Gerry’s account of the email interchanged, thinks it is not a big deal and is either avoiding addressing it or refusing to address it.

              By not addressing it and either publicly confirming or correcting his public statements, Chris is letting the disparagement stand. And in doing so, seems to be following the same pattern of black PR that has been directed at Gerry by Scientology for many years.

              So, regardless of intent, simple disagreement or intentional smear, the statements by Chris on FB are functionally the same. It demeans Gerry and comes from someone who’s brand is building respect. Refusal to dialog with Gerry and address his statements, repeatedly, would tend to move the needle toward intentional.

              Gerry is rightly very alert to the subtle ways in which a person’s repute and the invisible and fragile emotion of trust from others can be irreparably damaged. I would like to hear from Chris about this situation. Will he dialog with Gerry and begin to understand Gerry’s concern or will he continue to ignore it?

          • Draco

            PS: Having said all the above, I need to add that I have a lot of admiration for Gerry and his courage in taking on CoS when very few did. I can’t even imagine what that does to a person. I can certainly understand his feelings towards Rathbun and Rinder, as well as his belief that they owe him an apology. When I was on staff in the 80s, I was at the receiving end of some serious mismanagement, and to this day, I have not forgiven the people involved and feel that they owe all of us that they affected an apology. I doubt it will ever happen though – one is dead and another is one of DM’s super regges.

            • Frodis73

              Absolutely! He is a hero…I can’t imagine where things would be had Gerry not done the things he has done for expose the truth…at such great personal cost too. I also understand how feels towards M&M and at the least they owe him an apology. I’m a never in, so I don’t have the church experience you (or Gerry) had, but I can definitely understand the feelings of being mistreated and abused.

          • EnthralledObserver

            I did notice that too – yes, I assume Gerry paraphrased accurately, but it would be nice to read it ourselves to be sure, I hear you.
            It seems to me the point Gerry is trying to make is not that there is just a conspiracy to gain the tax exemption, but that it effected him directly in the resultant harassment, and Chris is discounting Gerry’s first hand knowledge and research of this. I’d be pissed off too. Despite Marty’s leaps and bounds he’s made I still feel like he’s withholding crucial information re the IRS incidents… for Chris to discount Gerry and rely on Marty without enough first hand knowledge himself, I rather think Gerry might have a point in bringing up why he thinks that might be.
            It’s about the mind-set, and way of thinking – this is Gerry’s point, not the details of the IRS thing.

          • Gerry Armstrong

            I didn’t just post Chris’s replies out of an abundance of solicitude. This has been my reasoning since I started emailing:

            “Keep in mind that all private email is considered to be copyrighted by the original author. If you post private email to a public list or forum, or forward it to an outside party
            in whole or in part, you must include the author’s permission to post the material publicly. Not doing so can get you into legal jeopardy or trouble with your friends and associates.” http://www.netmanners.com/426/courtesy-1/

            Fair use, of course, balances and in many circumstances is the most excellent of exceptions to the exclusive right of the copyright holder to prohibits publication. With the known facts, I have no doubt that I possess a fair use right to publish Chris’s emails.

            Caroline and I have been dealing with copyright law and the way Scientologists beat people with it for many years, and we swatted them back with fair use before it was safely in vogue to publish their scriptures. See, e.g.:

            http://www.carolineletkeman.org/archives/9219

            http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/about/legal-and-disclaimer

            http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-508r.html

            My comments, or as you call them my expressions of my interpretations, about what Chris had written in his emails actually create a greater fair use right to publication, since they constitute or evidence, among other things, commentary, criticism, research and teaching.

            Anyway, despite my fair use right, I went to all the trouble of paraphrasing Chris’s emails, rather than just copy and paste them, to be courteous. He had also written that he wouldn’t be answering any more of my emails. And everyone can draw their own conclusions from my paraphrasing.

            Nevertheless, because of the interest expressed, including by you, earlier today I sent Chris the email that follows,which is self-explanatory, and asked for his permission.

            Dear Mr. Shelton:

            In a comment on Tony Ortega’s blog, I mentioned my recent experience with you that started with your black PRing me on Facebook.
            http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/27/gerry-armstrongs-full-1997-secret-lives-interview-about-l-ron-hubbard/#more-20644

            “An astonishing recent attack on my credibility came from Chris Shelton, and it was directly on the issue of the IRS tax exemption. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archi
            Shelton did not deal with the facts or the content of my evidence or argument,
            just smeared me in relationship to Rathbun, and then would do nothing to
            support or correct his smear. Shelton presented as someone who had rejected
            Scientology, called himself an expert, claimed a high level of logic, had never
            communicated to me, and cheer-leading “Justice for All.””

            As you know, in my article “Chris Shelton: logic and loyalty, on the line,” I quoted my emails to you, but paraphrased your emails to me. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1317 Some people at the Underground Bunker have questioned why; e.g., Draco:

            “I do have a problem with the way he has posted this in that he appears to copy and paste his emails to Chris, but does not do the same with Chris’s replies. Instead he paraphrases and expresses his interpretation of what Chris has said in reply to him. Why not just copy and paste Chris’s replies and let us draw our own conclusions
            about this?”

            I did not publish your emails, of course, because I did not specifically have your permission to do so. This does not mean that I do not believe such publication would be fair use. As you know, the paraphrase I posted paralleled your email quite perfectly.

            The issue and the emails between you and me concern public policy in which there is global public interest. The additional public interest in your emails’ exact text, and the
            question of the accuracy of my paraphrasing, make posting them now even fairer fair use.

            Giving me permission to publish your emails is the most logical thing to do, however, so I thought you should have the opportunity to give it. I am sure you can see good reasons for doing so.

            Do I have your permission to publish your emails you sent me?

            Yours courteously,

            Gerry

            • Dear Gerry,

              You have permission to publish those emails only so long as you also publish the following quoted response on your blog as my final response in this matter.

              “It is with great sadness and remorse that I wish to express my apologies for having spoken in haste and without adequate foreknowledge about Gerry Armstrong on Facebook, a public social media site. My comment about him vs Rathbun was ill-advised and stated an opinion that was not fully founded on the evidence of the matters regarding Scientology’s history with the IRS and Gerry’s personal involvement in those matters. I have since had time to reflect on this and study more about the issue and found I did not know everything there is to know about the issue at hand when I was commenting on it. It is not my intention to “take sides” with Marty Rathbun (or anyone, for that matter) over any other ex-Scientologists on this or any other matter because I don’t believe that is constructive behavior. I firmly believe we should all stand shoulder-to-shoulder against the common enemy, which is the official Church of Scientology.

              “No part of my actions were a knowing or willful attempt to forward CofS’s agenda against Gerry. I certainly acknowledge that horrible things have been done to Gerry by CofS in the past and it was never my purpose to align myself with those actions. I am not an agent of Scientology nor am I acting in any alignment with their motives.I believe my works speak for themselves as adequate evidence of this.

              “Gerry, I truly hope you can see that I am not and never have been your enemy and have never wished any ill-will towards you.

              “I am truly sorry that I ever expressed any opinion or statement using your name or disaparaging you in any way and will never do so again.”

              Best,
              Chris

            • Gerry Armstrong

              “Dear Gerry,

              You have permission to publish those emails only so long as you also publish the following quoted response on your blog as my final response in this matter.”

              Thank you. I will publish your response on my blog, but I will not publish it as your final response in this matter because I have no way of knowing if it is your final response in this matter. It is a response, and I will post it, along with your first paragraph.

              You have not actually identified what “this matter” is that you are referring to. For now, I assume that you are referring to your smearing me on Facebook and your interaction with me after I asked you to support or correct the smears.

              If it is another matter in which your response is your final response, please let me know.

              “It is with great sadness and remorse that I wish to express my apologies for having spoken in haste and without adequate foreknowledge about Gerry Armstrong on Facebook, a public social media site.”

              Thank you. After many years of parsing the communications of the most mealy-mouthed, dissembling Scientologists and their collaborators, including big bucks attorneys and bullies, I have had to accept that a great number of people cannot or do not parse such communications. This subject is a study in progress for me.

              In this sentence, you write you wish to express your apologies for speaking on Facebook in haste and without adequate foreknowledge about me. With a hasty read, it could sound as if you are apologizing for smearing me, or black PRing me, as I have said. After all, the words “sadness,” “remorse,” “apologies” and “Facebook” are there. But, it is not the smearing you are saying you are apologizing for. You are wishing
              to express apologies for your haste and inadequate knowledge when you published your smears. There is no apology for your smears in your “final response.” Your smears did the damage, not your haste or what you didn’t know about your target.

              […]

              I have posted the rest of my reply at http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1337

    • beauty for ashes

      The one thing scientology can never take away from you is your spirit. I hope you are encouraged by the whole new generation of scientology critics who at the beginning of your story instinctively knew you were the hero. I think you are very brave to withstand all these years of criticism and harsh mean spirited attacks and still remain a kind genuine person that holds on to their values.

    • Rita Gregory

      Thank you, Gerry. I hope justice will prevail for you someday soon.

    • EnthralledObserver

      You have my support and respect… good on you, Gerry! 🙂

    • Pan-Deterrentism

      I bow in your presence, and I am forever grateful for your courage Mr. Armstrong.

    • nukethevolcano

      Gerry, you certainly deserve apologies from a number of people. Sheton’s behavior is particularly disturbing since he has been going out of his way to fashion himself as a benevolent voice of reason.

    • cdub

      we all love you gerry, keep up your work please, no one here pays any mind to all that trash talk

    • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

      Gerry, after I left the Sea Org in May of 2000 and I still had that remaining layer of “Hubbard and the Tech Good/ Miscavige and Management Bad,” it was what you exposed and brought to the table that cracked and peeled off that remaining layer for good. Thank you for that. You will always have my utmost respect and gratitude. Never give up.

  • romanesco
    • Draco

      I voted 🙂

  • Lady Squash

    My favorite part of the interview was when Gerry was saying that Hubbard tried to obliterate his conscience. When I woke up, I realized that only someone who had no conscience could do and say the things he did–So it was interesting to hear Gerry say that obliterating his conscience had been Hubbard’s goal. What a sorry excuse for a human being.

  • Lady Squash

    What Gerry did not only took guts, but if it weren’t for Gerry the truth might still be buried. How would we ever have known what we know now–all those records he kept safe. They would still be under lock and key had it not been for Gerry. He’s like the Edward Snowden of Scientology. THANK YOU GERRY!!!!

  • susyqobserver

    I have been an observer for several years and I am finally coming out of the closet, per se. Never in, was simply intriqued with the crazy subject matter. Read all TONY Ortega’s Village Voice reports, Tampa Bay Times and here. I view Marty and Rinder’s blog, keep tabs of Tony and Karen’s videos. Read Lawrence Wright’s book and the one by Janet. Watched Endless videos, perused documents…. Conclusion: This CULT IS NUTSO! Interesting watching the slow implosion! Now they’re fair gaming HBO’s Alex Gibey’s (sic) “Going Clear…” Clever video. Ants! Propaganda, hilarious. Watch, if you have not already. it is showing up on news sites I read. Scientology obviously spent big bucks on what’s called remarketing, ads that follow you based on keywords I look up. I could not find the link on YouTube only on their freedom magazine web page. i hope there are not strict rules here against posting links to that propaganda website? Afterall, it would give the cult link juice. Anyhow, Sorry if so. I am new here – my first day commenting. I support you all. On disquis, of course I didn’t use my full – don’t want to be fair gamed – what a NIGHTMARE CULT! Cray, cray. I am a former reporter. Great job Ortega. VIDEO LINK: http://www.freedommag.org/hbo/videos/exterminating-gibneys-propaganda.html?source=gaw&gclid=CjwKEAiAyMCnBRDa0Pyex-qswB0SJADKNMKAkh5iR5hkp0rcYsDqXSrl7tbB5HfJjYqmxqdw1Ly3QBoCaQLw_wcB

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    • Baby

      susy.. we aren’t allowed to link video links to Scientology sites.. Thank you and welcome.. If you go to the edit button under your post you can delete your link..

      • susyqobserver

        I will do that now baby. Can I remove the http so people no where to go?

        • Baby

          Thank you.. Yes remove everything.. please.. We know where to go.. We just don’t go there. Tony doesn’t allow promotion..and some of the links lead to viruses..thank you..

          • susyqobserver

            I removed the link within minutes of your nice and friendly reply to me. Thank you. 🙂

        • You are full of crap

          • susyqobserver

            I am full of crap? you know nothing about me. Sounds like you got some paranoia in ur head. Thank you for the welcome to the site. you set a fine example.

            • daytoncapri

              Susy –

              It’s 8 hours later and I still see a live link to the disturbing content. As you said you would, I trust that you will edit your post, remove the link and allay those concerns.

              I welcome thoughtful and honest contributions – whatever your perspective, and am looking forward to your next post.

            • susyqobserver

              I removed the link within 3 minutes that baby told me. I recommend that you clean your cache. Clean your history on your computer your laptop or smartphone

          • susyqobserver

            you see paranoid people like you are the reason why I do not like to engage on forums, blogs and websites. Some people hide behind a computer and write nasty or abusive statements about people they don’t even know. I am smart enough to realize that you do not speak for the majority of commentators here. You sound like a bad apple with a bad attitude.

    • Smiling with a knife in your back. Good job OSA. Very well played.

      • Baby

        Wogsy.. if link is taken off it isn’t OSA.. Be careful not to judge too fast..xo

        • The 1.1 tactic is so obvious though. Build repertoire with the community to make them friendly towards you and love you. Her comment still promotes the freedom magazine website. They could obviously tell the Bunker can eye a troll much better, so playing the innocent victim “omg OSA is so mean, I hate the cult. heehee” for Sympathy card is obviously working. If you’re not OSA SuzyQ, I’m sorry. If not, I see you.

          • Baby

            Don’t ever underestimate how smart I am wogsy… ( wink) xo

            • oh. (wink) Sorry SuzyQ totally kidding about you being OSA. Welcome to the Bunker. stay here as long as you want. (whistling)

            • Baby

              I’m not just not your average cute baby smoking a cigarette..

            • hehe. We are on the same wavelength now Baby. I got it. : )

      • susyqobserver

        I’m just a regular mother in the Midwest – that’s it folks. but I will give you the benefit of the doubt based on what you’ve been through with the Cult. you have reason to be suspicious of newbies, but it sure would be nice if you could be open to supporters – nothing I said sounded like I am pro cult, which I’m not. I can understand suspiciousness, I was in an abusive marriage at one time. And after that I didn’t trust anyone

    • Baby

      Thank you susy.. Welcome to the Bunker. We just have to be cautious.. We’ve really gotten trolled alot lately.. I know you understand the paranoia at times.. baby

      • Newiga

        Well said, Baby! Let’s not allow a few stupid trolls ruin the Bunker atmosphere.

        Welcome, Susy!

        • Baby

          Thank you Newiga.. xo

    • EnthralledObserver

      Hi susy!
      Your comment perplexes me, I have to admit. You said all the right things, sounding like one of us, but then you added THAT video link. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, can you let us know why you did that?
      (I mean, if you’re OSA – lol – you might have, I don’t know… like, waited for your report building to kick in before killing it straight away yourself)

      • susyqobserver

        I apologize. I did not read the Terms of Service to post on Tony Ortega’s website. I think I mentioned that in my post that I’m sorry.

      • susyqobserver

        Thanks Enthralled. you gave some good advice I should have build rapport first. That said, after watching the Cult’s anti Going Clear video, I just had to speak up for the first time. having read everything I could get my hands on about Scientology, I had a lot to say. Long-winded am i – lol

    • Baby

      “I could not find the link on YouTube – only on their “freedom” magazine web page”
      …………………………………………………………………………

      Could you please edit this line by removing it Susy? Thank you

      • told ya

      • susyqobserver

        I realize that you may be sensitive to me mentioning the magazine, three times. I didn’t know I did that. So I will go back in and edit it to remove the extra references.

    • stillgrace2

      SO flagged!! ETA: B.S.

      • Baby

        hahahhaha.. Heh Grace.. xo

      • Baby

        Yes.. I was playing with her for a minute to see what she would delete.. and respond..

        But Elvis has apparently left the building..

        • stillgrace2

          “She” pinged my radar big-time.

          • Baby

            Mine too..I know it didn’t sound like it..but so fuckin obvious.. Honestly.. so many red flags in one post.. Duh?

            • I have a Masters degree in how to be manipulated. I used to be a Scientologist. All my friends were spiritual vampires. I KNOW THESE THINGS BABY.

        • susyqobserver

          If ur replying about me, ur paranoid. it will be sad to see If I have been flagged or banned on Ortega’s site, when I have been nothing but cordial and added to the public discourse, as an anti scientology proponent. if I’ve been moderator banned or repeatedly flagged what that tells me is that there’s some paranoia in this room. and I’ll stop visiting the site to read the latest news. No. Elvis did not leave the building. Miss Presley went to bed. Lol

      • Frodis73

        The former reporter thing raised a flag with me…

        • Baby

          The

          ” I have been an observer for several years” Did it for me..bawwwwwwwhahahhaa

      • susyqobserver

        I feel very sorry for you that you’re paranoid. Nothing I said gave any inkling that I would be from Scientology. But I emphasize with the sensitivities.

    • **************************************DONT TRUST THE TROLLS****************************

      • susyqobserver

        a troll? several of you who have replied to my Inbox are making some pretty wild accusations. That’s not very welcoming. Here I am telling you that I support you and your efforts. & I get some cuckoo people accusing me of being full of baloney. I will look past that and realize that it’s a few bad apples. you know, there are actually people in America, who read this blog to learn more about Scientology and its craziness. several people who excuse me of being a troll are just obviously filled with hate and paranoia. I’m just a married mother in the Midwest who cares when institutions are corrupt and take advantage of the vulnerable. have a nice day and thank you for the warm welcome the select few who sent me private messages

    • Frodis73

      Lol, I just read this again and paid more attention. If you have lurked here longer than…hmmm, let’s say, a week (to be really generous) you would know that never ins are of course welcome here. You would also know that one of the rules is not to post to that sci propaganda stuff too. What a goof.

      • susyqobserver

        That is not nice to call me a goof! What r u? I dont know the rules of posting. fortunately baby was nice enough to let me know in a kind way. Kindness will get you further

        • daytoncapri

          Susy – Welcome. Remove the link please.

          • susyqobserver

            as I said, I removed the link about 3 minutes after baby told me about the rules of posting. clean the cache on your computer smartphone or tablet. That’s why its showing up on your screen. It is not live. Have a nice day.

            • daytoncapri

              Sorry for any misunderstanding. Hope you will stick around.

            • daytoncapri

              Stick around. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

              My first impression of you: If you are as smart as you are tough, you’ll be a good presence here.

            • susyqobserver

              I forgive you. Thank you.

    • Eclipse-girl

      ..

    • sookiesookie

      Hi susy, I tried to find an older post of yours to reply to, but this was the oldest one I saw.

      I just wanted to mention a tip for fitting in at any online forum – not just this one. When you click on the up arrow for your own posts like you’ve been doing, it doesn’t leave a good impression on people. It’s like “voting” for yourself, and you’ll see that it’s something other commenters don’t do (unless it was a one-off accidental upvote or something).

      Please take in the spirit this was meant: just as friendly advice to someone who might be new to online interactions.

      • susyqobserver

        I’m new to disqus. how do people know that I upvote my own post. I thought that gets the discussion going? Are you a true Blood fan based on ur moniker? Cause I am….hey thanks for the tips – did not know the in’s and out’s, the ettiquette of upvoting and the site specific user expectations. 🙂

        • sookiesookie

          No, an upvote isn’t to get the discussion going. That’s what your comment does. An upvote signifies agreement, acknowledgement, thanks, appreciation, or some similar positive interaction not necessarily requiring a reply. When someone upvotes their own comment, it’s redundant — obviously they agree, b/c they’re the person that made the comment. It just comes off as a douche move.

          It’s not at all site-specific. It’s internet-wide.

          I tried watching True Blood b/c the opening credits montage was amazing, but nope, not a fan. “sookie sookie” comes from old soul and R&B recordings (as in “ah, sookie sookie now”).

          • susyqobserver

            Thank you Sookie. 🙂 I loved the TB intro and Jace Everett theme music.

  • Baby

    Hubbard was an evil power hungry dangerous asshole..
    Miscavige IS an evil power hungry dangerous asshole..

    THE END..

    • EnthralledObserver

      Truth^^

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Hi sweetie! How was Florida today? Did you go to the beach?

      • Baby

        HI darlin.. OMG.. my 3 company left after a week and I slept absolutely all day.. ALL Damn Day.. Just whipped.. thanks.. Plus it was too cold this morning to go to the beach ( for Florida) xo

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Anybody see my buddy longtimeLurker, lately?

    • : ( …I tried to send him a smoke signal. No response.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Damn that sucks.

        • I was kinda hoping he could take over RedX’s. I won’t be here that much longer. Which reminds me, if anyone can take over REDxing in the evening please leave me a line. The redx gang is recruiting.

          • I know crappy.

            • Baby

              WTH happened to Longtime Lurker? I love him..

            • Two words. Incident J3. He was in the debate with him as unfollowed, so I can only guess he saw the arguement that ensued afterwards, and maybe needed a break. I don’t know. He never came back after that.

            • Baby

              I absolutely get sick to my stomach over that shit..

              We need as many people to fight the fight.. Not fight each other.. sigh.

              Come on back everyone.. Is your ego bigger than your fighting the cult..xo

            • EnthralledObserver

              Agree – I mean, it’s nothing that a “fuck you, cunt!” won’t fix, right? Some people are too sensitive!

            • Baby

              hahahhaha.. Yep.. EO..hahahhahahaha.. You are Bloody Right!

            • Right?!?lolol

            • Nat-lificent
            • EnthralledObserver

              lol – I hear you. 😉

            • I’m still pissed off about it. I sent him an “I’m sorry, I was mean” message but no response.

            • Baby

              Buck up Buckaroo..

            • IIt’s more annoying really.

            • Nat-lificent

              Baby. Just let it go. I think everything is actually working out well.

            • Baby

              OK.. Nat.. I will.. Seriously.. Those that want to be here are..Those that don’t want to be aren’t.. Got it honey.. Thanks..

            • Nat-lificent

              Plus Bunker breaks can be very revitalizing.
              ETA: I just popped in because Gerry-freakin’-Armstrong! Hello! My hero 🙂
              Night, Babes.
              http://www.howitookit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/iStock_000000123999XSmall.jpg

            • Baby

              Ohhh I see Nat Nekked…

              ( beautiful serenity..)

            • Rita Gregory

              In some cases yes, yes it is. 🙁

            • TheMirrorThetan

              See that is what happens when you dont have a dictator to be leader and slap people into line.
              Who wants to be king dick of the bunker? Must be short and have a good backhand.
              On the plus side you get to screw as much money from your own subjects as you can for hiding offshore.

            • Baby

              Hahaha.. Yep Pooky it’s all going to hell in a hand basket.. but shit we’re still here..

            • TheMirrorThetan

              That’s because I think that fighting COS is more important than slinking away because someone may or may not have said something that may or may not be intended as nasty or hurtful.
              Im not here to join a popularity contest and play nice nice with strangers.
              Im here because I want justice for all the deaths and perminant harm the chult has caused. Sometimes things are more important in the long run than temporary butthurt and our own feelings.
              That said I think that everyone should take a break from cos watching now and then because otherwise it gets too much to cope with.

              ***Also If you dont like me then that is your own business and you can go fuck yourself with a cactus 🙂
              *** Disclaimer : That comment was not directed to anyone in particular and is a generic you.

            • Baby

              hahahha Cactus, huh?

              Oh I agree Pook.. 100% ..

            • Rita Gregory

              Someone said Jimmy3 as one of his socks, chased him away. Don’t know what happened.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I don’t think he’d leave over someone who was drunk.

            • Rita Gregory

              Maybe he just needed a break for a while.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I’ll do some work but never done the postings here. Tried to post anti-sci ads on C list, last night and they kept rejecting me last night. So frustrating.

            • You can take over if you want. If you can’t no big deal. I believe LL was open all the time, and he really enjoyed it.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Just cut and paste? Is Dodo gone. Can I learn another time. Don’t mean to be a baby but had to dodge a car today on my commute and got all tore up on my bike. Hurting a lot now. Guess I could touch assist it but I might have broken my foot(not badly) girlfriend wants me to go to the ER since no Dr’s on my insurance open tomorrow. Er copay is so expensive but is really swelling.

            • I’ll be here another 2-3 weeks. You have time. yeah cut and paste basically. Not sure dodo is awake during the 3pm to 10pm shift. I believe he only commits to the first 7am post.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              you can learn me then:) I love to flag. Always called them to waste their time. Had some funny conversations they have no idea what ads are up.

            • Baby

              Where in the hell are you going Missy?

            • Girl. Don’t you know? I’m an ex who has been rebuilding my life the last year. I start my internship soon and graduate I May. I can’t be here. I was only here to help Pierrot and Pan while they moved

            • Baby

              NO.. No one tells me a damn thing around this joint..( I missed it..)

              But so excited for you.. Woo Hoo.. Yippie Skippee..

            • Newiga

              Graduating soon, eh? Good for you! I graduated last September and I can tell you, it feels great! ^_^

            • Thank you. Yes long time arriving

            • Todd Tomorrow

              What are you graduating in?

            • I can’t say on this line. Too many “in” people know. It’s a dead giveaway.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Well when you are only one of the six at Hubbard college.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePi1Z8gzzSw
              Con?

            • lolol.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              You are the graduate! Is that man at the front desk night?

            • You lost me. Keep us updated about your leg.

            • lol. It’s in the speech//bahavioral field.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Are you sure it wasn’t, CON 101

            • Juicer77

              That’s so exciting. Good for you! We’ll miss you. Work hard and do us proud 🙂

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh dear – Todd – do what your bloody girlfriend is telling you! The ladies always know best – go – Doctor – now!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              You know how it doesn’t really hurt at first but then later. Having trouble putting weight on it. I don’t want her to have to take me so late. But I’m trying to be quiet hoping around looking for pain killers.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Stubborn bloody man! (It’s lovely that you’re trying to be considerate – but – sheesh)

            • Did you just add the last part? I did not see it. I hope you are okay!

            • Rita Gregory

              Go to the ER! Now!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              She worked hard all week. I’m iceing it and can go in the am. But the ER is expensive even with my insurance. It’s a small bone in my foot. I’m guessing. Have some beauty scratches on my knee, too.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Is our collective bullying not working? lol

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I have some perodane somewhere and then we can go tomorrow. Believe me she wanted to go earlier but she’s asleep and now I’m just realizing it is probably broken. God damn cars never see me on my bike despite the bike lanes we have here. It was a bloody Prius, too.

            • Frodis73

              If broken the longer you wait the worse it will be. 🙁 I hope it really is a small bone for your sake…poor thing. Like everybody else said, make sure you go first thing in the am.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That’s what it seems the small bone. Happened about 4 hours ago and just starting to really swell. I could call a buddy of mine in the next couple of hours to take me if it gets real bad. She had a review at work and did well but is fast asleep now.

            • Frodis73

              Ok. We order you to ice it and elevate it as much as you can until you get to the ER. Throw in some touch assists while you’re at it. Bwaaa!!!

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol – the girlfriend will have to be woken after all. :p

            • Todd Tomorrow

              HeHe!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Lol, I guess that would take my mind off it since i’d have to touch assist myself. My org is closed. Wouldn’t let me in anyway..

            • Baby

              Call YOUR BUDDY..HONEY..for real.. You don’t want an infection to set in..

              AND I MEAN IT.. NOW!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He is on his way. It is really swelling.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Good! May you get fantastic care and good results! 🙂

            • EnthralledObserver

              Are we talking a pushbike, or motorbike? If pushy, yeah, they are harder to see sometimes. I don’t own a Prius… sooo… fucking Prius drivers, boo!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Old Mountain bike. Usually ride my road bike but it wouldn’t have mattered. No, I don’t have a motorcycle.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yep – that’s right – don’t worry, I’m already blaming the car driver – they pulled it in. Oh… wait…

            • lolol

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It was probably a clam trying to kill or,”fair game” me.
              Fresh Frozen
              Fair game

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They are the worse. When they first came out we always gave then free reign on the road but they suck as drivers. Boo!

            • Rita Gregory

              Well then Mr. Stubborn, take care of it first thing tomorrow! Please. 🙂

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I promise, Rita. Thanks. Believe me I’ve had my fair share of accidents like these playing sports. But getting older now.

            • Draco

              Yup – we don’t bounce back the way we used to! Best to get it seen to, though I understand the money thing. It always p’s me off big time that handling health issues is so expensive.
              Hoping it is just a bad sprain and not a broken bone, Todd.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It’s broken at least I have my old crutches when my old Greyhound knocked me down the stairs two years ago. and I caught all my weight on one foot. Good news is I found some pain pills. They’re old but are kicking in.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh Xenu – we’re all going to have to chip in for hours of sauna and tons of Niacin for Todd after this! *passes the hat around*

            • Todd Tomorrow

              UPDATE; My buddy Luke, is going to come take me in so I can let myy girlfriend sleep.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Group bullying worked, Thanks!

            • Rita Gregory

              Yay! Keep us posted.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Speak of the devil and here he is. Thanks all!

            • Baby

              Oh Todd.. damn.. Ouch.. Go to ER.. NOW..you have a smart Girlfriend..

            • Frodis73

              Holy smokes! I really hope it’s not broke. Can you move it and/or put your weight on it at all?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              No i’m icing it and hopping around.

            • stillgrace2

              Geez … where is Tom Cruise when you need him, huh?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I don’t need oral I need a Dr.

            • stillgrace2

              I agree! Touch assists of any kind won’t work in this situation. I want you to get one of those vests with built-in flashing LEDs … so idiot drivers will notice what’s going on!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I have one that goes around my waist.

            • stillgrace2

              I think you need more square footage (no pun) on the LEDs.

            • Rita Gregory

              Driving the Prius?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              HeHe.

            • Newiga

              Coffee, meet keyboard

            • Baby

              Thick or thin Todd.. I’ll be by your side.. You are a sensitive Cancer..

              Only another Cancer would understand how we crawl in our shell periodically when ouched..
              ( July 2nd)

              Good luck with your stupid foot appointment.. ugh.. Thinking of you..I was lurking, but didn’t feel like posting..

              Moon children crabs just sometimes circle the perimeter to see if friend or foe is approaching.

              We think with our hearts and not our heads sometimes..

              You are one of my best buddies here and always know I will have your back..

              Posters come and go.. I won’t beg people to stay if they don’t want to fight the fight.. but just wanted you to know that I know you are physically and emotionally drained..

              from not only your accident, but from the drama that’s been here lately.. I am too.. xo love baby

    • ObsessedReader

      I haven’t seen him since Sunday.

  • Frodis73
    • Elegant Mess

      Awesome advice, indeed. Hey, where do I get one of those Monkees cover-ups?

      • ObsessedReader

        Lol!! It’s a cover-up, a dress, AND a nighty! Darn, if that “monkey sweat shift” was a muu-muu too I would have bought one.

  • ** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X **

    RedX doc spreadsheet:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    Please see the stats and other information at WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-118#post-2514616
    (including :how to complain to CL about spamming and other misbehavior by co$)
    (F5)Thx AP

  • Baby

    Night everyone.. Love ya..and for God’s sake.. Stay safe in here.. Jeeze..

    • Newiga

      Night, Baby! Sweet dreams! xo

    • Graham

      Goodnight Baby. I’ve just come on shift. The Bunker never sleeps!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Night, sweety!

  • Graham

    Early morning here and I’ve just woken from a weird dream. I was back at college re-doing my basic professional qualification. Where else but in the bizarre world of dreamland would anyone have to re-do their basic qualifications? Makes absolutely no sense. Can’t think where my subconscious got that idea from.

  • There are so many people typing. Bunkerites must be awake

  • Nat-lificent

    Hey ya’ll I’m on break indefinitely. If I was you I would totally use this “hipster Maleficent” meme to poke fun at me (if you want) XD

    I won’t be here to judge the best caption, but I’m sure the upvotes will determine the best one. Peace!

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/af/15/1a/af151a912e5c5c179b40240f36222ccc.jpg

    • Nat-lificent

      My contribution — meant with the lightest of hearts — hope you take it that way 😉

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/59/ee/7b/59ee7b0ed1149849cb9f7bc732e3908a.jpg

    • what’suppressive

      “From this angle I can look right down my nose at all of you”

    • Juicer77

      I’ll miss you Nat! Be well 🙂

    • EnthralledObserver

      We’ll miss you! 🙂

    • Baby

      Nat.. Life is too serious to take so seriously.. We are all worn out and frazzled.. I’m hesitant to post because I’m afraid others will take the wrong way…

      Only you can decide if you want to continue here. I love you and YOU take care of yourself. Love Baby

      If I am one of the reasons you are leaving I can only say that I am sorry that I have caused you pain.

      We are all different. We are not perfect.. but we all have a voice. When/ if you decide to come back we will welcome you with open arms..

      • EnthralledObserver

        Oh, Baby Doll… I must have missed something. Did you do something bad?

        I figured Nat just had something better to do with her time. What’s gone down?

        • Baby

          No EO. but I apologized in case I did.. She explained it very well up above..xo

      • Nat-lificent

        Ah, Babes, what did you ever do but gimme puppies (at least for a few seconds till you snatched ’em back, lol). I’ve been wanting to leave since Espi was banned. All I ever lived for (as a commenter) was a Howdy, Espi or Jimmy3 upvote — I loves me my misanthropes with hearts a’ gold. With Jimmy gone and Howdy in semi-retirement, I was asking myself “Why am I here?” Scientology’s rise and fall is a great story and I’ll still follow it, you’d better believe, but coming here daily is a habit I have to break. I should be jogging or reading books instead of shooping so much — but I can’t help myself — they are so obvious XD
        Anyway, I’m going to be locked in my bathroom with DTs for the next few days, but please wish me luck. Seriously, I really don’t want to be here anymore. I was hoping a lighthearted caption contest would be enough of a graceful healthy exit because I didn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or hear shit about dramaqueen/ego/attentionwhore. It’s the middle of the night.The post is stale. And i just wanted to say Bye <3 Nat

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Good luck, and thanks for the awesome shoops and comments

        • Jo

          Good luck, Nat x

        • EnthralledObserver

          For Xenu’s Sake – will you just GO already!!!!!

          lol (shit, I hope everyone realises I’m just kidding!) 😉

          • Graham

            As my old mother used to say “You know if I’d meant it I’d never have said it.”

            • Baby

              Oh we all know EO enough to know she was teasin.. Graham Cracker! : D

        • Graham

          You’ll be back. Some day you’ll be reading a book or thinking about jogging and you’ll hear the siren call. “What are those nutters up to these days I wonder? One little peep before I put my trainers on. Can’t do any harm…..”

          I’ll miss you. Always valued your posts. Good luck in whatever you plan to do x

        • Baby

          Original Painting..digitally made Black and White with trees added..

          This is the way I feel right now sweet Nat. The sun is going away.

          I understand your feeling the way you do. It’s all good.. This fight will EAT YOU ALIVE.
          Only love and compassion go to those who have fought with us..side by side in these UGLY trenches some days..and chose to leave.

          Their reasons were varied..and at times they flounced out.. but thank you for all that you have done.

          Being a critic Without any relief in sight. And then good news, back to bad. is a bitch.. and I know that you were extremely close to those who left. You go with our blessing..( Not that you need it..) Love always baby

          • Nat-lificent

            TY <3
            Okay, BYE for real this time XD XD XD

            • Baby

              TY <3
              Okay, BYE for real this time XD XD XD xo baby

        • beauty for ashes

          I haz a sad. 🙁 ((((((((hugs and fat pugs)))))))))

        • Ella Raitch

          You rocked Nat – please come back and visit (March 20th for e.g. – live-blogging always a hoot).

        • Eclipse-girl

          You will be greatly missed.

          (((HUGS)))

        • MrsLurksALot

          Sending you wishes for the best of everything….you will be missed! However, I totally get it and support your decision. I’ve given this gift before, but I thought it would be appropriate to give one to you, too. F5

        • Qbird

          Oh my darling Nat, need you to know, I will miss you so.
          Feeling… a loss here. You are in my mind and my heart.
          Please consider popping in now & again. All my love, Q

        • Shelly Britt Corrias

          I’m late but in case you peek in: I get it too, I’ll miss you. Enjoy life. <3

        • Mymy88

          This is CRAZY Nat! You have to change your mind! I loved your posts! And Shoops! And charm, and edge, and wit and intelligence! I’m sure everybody else does also. These people here at the Bunker are fighters for the truth and you are too. They NEED you, they really do!

          Come back, please! You can curtail your time if you have to, but come back! Pleeaaassseeeee come back! I saw someone sending smoke signals to LongtimeLurker. He’ll come back if he sees that. He was a most awesome poster also! I’d be very surprised if Jimmy3 does not come back also. So what are you waiting for! The sooner you come back the better. Please don’t make the Bunkerites wait too long (like longer than a week)! or a few days… or a few hours… come back right now even! PLEASE!

    • Take care, Nat. Hope you we will hear from you again.

    • Robert Eckert

      Thanks for the Christmas lights!

    • obvious sock account

      I really hope you read this, Nat. Obvsoxacct @ gmail is a throwaway account, but I’ll check it. If you ever need someone to talk to, please mail me there. I’m sorry about all of this. I’ve got nothing but love for you. Chats me up.

      -Jimmy

      • Nat-leficent!

        Error: The email address “Obvsoxacct@gmail” is not recognized. Please fix it and try again.

        • generic sock account

          I see what you did there. I’m glad everything every little thing is gonna be alright. I love you, too, and I’m really glad you’re not gone for good. Butt fuck all the haters. Seriously, if you ever just want to chat, drop me a line. And I don’t even know what “drop me a line” means. But I’m pretty sure it used to mean something.

          *But fuck all the haters.

          • My original message before I edited it to sound less bitter:

            What’s up, Jimmy Love? You back? Is there even anyone funny there anymore? Did you find it worth going back with all those belligerent newbs and fair-weather “friends”? I was proud that you got mad and left. Fuck the Bunker at least for another week or so (if not longer) XD

            Sorry if this email sounds bitter. I’m not really that hurt — just can’t fathom the stupidity there lately. Especially that little shit “Super Power Wogwogsywoggerwog” and Robert Eckert
            Anyway, enough of that, glad to hear from you and hope all is well in RL. Mine is a little crazy. Probably why I was online so much to begin with — to avoid dealing with it 😉

            *hug*
            -Nat

            P.S. This message will self-destruct after you respond or upvote. No need to give anyone ammo.
            -N

            P.S. 2 Made four posts today and a little sickened at myself.
            Wish we had a bunker refugee camp instead XD

            • generic sock account

              I was disappointed in myself, too. Things are never right IRL. That’s why I’m saying if you ever want to post without posting, you can always talk to me. Thanks for having my back, and give Tyrion a hug for me. I’ll delete this, too, just so it doesn’t seem like I’m talking to myself. 😛

            • Tyrion has “hay fever”! What kind of dog has allergies? Mine. Damn lovable mutt. My mother suggested bee pollen and I thought of Tom Cruise trying to give that to Marc Headley. Anyway he appreciates the hug and extra cuddles and petting from me because even though it is dumb that my dog has allergies, he is miserable and sneezy 🙁

            • generic sock account

              One of my dogs–well, technically he’s my sister’s dog now, as he lives at her place, but I found and raised him as a puppy–is allergic to processed cheese. It’s the weirdest thing. He’ll throw up automatically if he gets even a bite of American cheese. Like within the minute automatic. I think he’s a communist.

              I’ve never heard of dogs having hay fever or any kind of outdoor allergies. But I’m sure Tyrion won’t have to worry about it once he sits upon the Iron Throne. He will have bitches to bring him tissues and Benadryl all day long.

            • Where you be, J?

            • generic sock account

              I be here. What up?

            • I sent you an email just now.

            • generic sock account

              I sent you a reply just now.

            • generic sock account

              And about coming back after certain people turned on me so quickly, I only did it because there are still many that I respect and care about. I felt they deserved an explanation. Because a few people that don’t like me were going to exaggerate and paint me as all sorts of things that I’m not.

  • what’suppressive

    While we’re on the subject of missing regulars. Has there been any word from OTVlllisgreat? I like his insider’s p.o.v wacky schtick.

    • EnthralledObserver

      That’s Jeffrey Augustine – he outed himself a while back. Posts his stuff to the fb site all the time, and on his own blogs.

      • what’suppressive

        Cheers EO . I look him up.

        • EnthralledObserver

          As Wogsy also pointed out – he’s also J. Swift – Karen de la Carierre’s hubby/partner.

        • Here is his blog. Scientology Money project
          http://scientologymoneyproject.com/

          • what’suppressive

            I ‘ve been reading that blog for some time but didn’t realize it was him. Thanks

    • OTVIIIisgreat IS J. Swift : )

    • Lurkness

      He doesn’t always post his “reports” here, but you can always catch up at his RTC digs at:

      https://otviiisgrrr8.wordpress.com/

      • what’suppressive

        Cheers Lurky. He really does give it to Miscarriage. Me likee

  • Elegant Mess

    Just reposting this for the late-late/early crew, in case you missed it:

    A Scientology school in Clearwater, FL is about to win $20K if someone doesn’t stop them. The Humane Society of Pinellas has 5216 votes and Washburn Academy has 4916 votes as of 12:20am PST. You can vote once per day though Saturday, 2/28.

    Don’t let them win!

    1. Click the link.
    2. Click the big orange button that says VOTE
    3. Vote for Humane Society of Pinellas in the Over 16 category.

    Here is the link: http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa

    Cheers, Bunkeroos!

    • latest results

      • FTR – this was the result at about the same time yesterday

        • Elegant Mess

          You rock, ML. Thanks!

    • Andrew Robertson

      The kittens, puppies and bunnies of Pinellas County are pleased!

      Bootsey says “Thanks.”

      Andrew

    • Eivol Ekdal

      You can select a group in each category.
      I am voting in both categories and currently supporting both front runners.
      Don’t forget to keep an eye on the “Category: 15 or Fewer Employees”
      We don’t want that other group winning – the seem to be slow in submitting votes. I am just worried about a last minute rush.

    • Done. Thank you.

    • Pierrot

      Reboot Router Tech also applies, that is the message I got:
      “This form was configured not to receive more than 1 submission per day from the same IP.”

      So to get a new IP, 1) google IP to see your current IP address, 2) switch of your router/modem for 5 minutes, 3) google IP to check that the IP has changed, 4) Vote again!

      • Graham

        When I mentioned that yesterday I got a couple of responses suggesting it wasn’t good thing to publicise as a) it’s rule bending and makes us look as bad as the Scienos and b) if they lose they could take a screen-shot of it and complain the vote wasn’t fair. On reflection I thought those were fair points and edited my posts. Feel diffident mentioning this, but something for your consideration?

        • Pierrot

          Thanks, I will edit

    • KNMF

      Thanks.
      Love it when my vote matters. Innocent creatures.FTW!

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  • 0tessa

    IF Scientology was really spiritual and helping mankind, and honest about it and in good relation with their environment, and humble, then I think Gerry Armstrong (and others of course) would be the personification of it.

  • Pierrot

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    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,
    Before getting busy moving 1000 miles away and still trying to settle down, I appealed to RedXers to complain to CL about Boston (11th of Feb).
    I happened to notice yesterday that only TWO ads (out of 100+) remained. As they did not come up as “Flagged for removal” I must assume that CL removed the ads.
    Thank You all of you who complained, it works, see how it was done here : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-118#post-2514616
    Tampa, LA, Sac, SFBAy please take note

    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

  • Way off topic:”I keep going to the river to pray
    ‘Cause I need something that can wash all the pain”
    Such a great line, imo. Heard it from a song on the radio.

    • Baby

      That is a beautiful line Dodo..

      I am a water sign.. I always take a shower when I’m in pain..the water is not only soothing but symbolic of washing away the pain..so I can relate..

      • Thank you for your art.

        • Baby

          Thank you for being you..You are the heart of the Bunker Dodo..

    • Newiga

      Video spam. It’s a great song. The lyrics are very relevant to my life atm. 🙁https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo0p3nL3G4Y

      • I am sorry.. sending good vibes your way.

        • Newiga

          Thanks! ^_^ Appreciate it, Dodo. xo

      • Baby

        I am sorry too Newiga.. What a beautiful heartfelt song.. I am glad that you are with us! I can so relate.. xox

        • Newiga

          Thanks, Baby! xo I just need to clue a few pieces back together, collect my thoughts and get back up. Might take some time but I’m gonna do it. *refresh*

          • Baby

            OMG…I love it New.. Beautiful..

          • Baby

            Here is my saying.. It was done with my original art..My favorite expression..

            • Newiga

              Love it! Thank you, Baby! xo How true it is…

              Orange is my favorite color. So many beautiful things in life are orange. <3

            • Baby

              I heard this on the Hotel story in India..( I’m too tired to think) and I fell in love with that saying..

              You are welcome..I LOVE ORANGE..LOVE IT..

  • if Krustie’s supporting it you know it’s crooked …. http://www.dayofhappiness.org/

    pic

    • Graham

      Yet another bandwagon for Scamatologists to hitch their wagon to in their attempts to fake being normal, ethical citizens.

      • Sadly, the tricky part, your average scientologist believes it.

      • RMycroft

        Yeah, there is a legit UN Day of Happiness that CoS is attaching themselves to like a lamprey.

        Jim Warren artwork on their site. I’d hoped that he was out by now.

    • Newiga

      I know another great count down…. Something great takes place on March 29th. 😉

    • Graham

      From his public statements Gibney seems to be aiming for two things: Getting Scientology’s IRS exemption reviewed and getting Captain Slappy Miscavige to speak in public. I don’t think ‘Scientology’ will ever end; eg there will always be Indies content to drink watered-down Kool Aid. But if they lost their IRS status and if Miscavige were forced to give a public account of himself (eg via a videoed deposition) then to all intents & purposes it would be ‘game over’. Is it realistic to expect that both those things might happen some day?

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        One realistic expectation, I think, is shaking the political will into action and have the cos answer for its human rights and fiscal abuses it clearly flaunts.

        • Mymy88

          I think some congressional hearings would be a nice addition to realistic expectations.

    • Mymy88

      Good to know. VERY good to know. Thank you for the link.

  • Marcabian Candidate

    Gerry looks like Matthew McConaughey in True Detective.

  • I just watched the Jerry Armstrong video and all I can say to or about him is thank you. He has my total respect for what he has done. I know it’s a thankless job but he does it anyway. I personally enjoy the Secret Lives series produced by Tony, may he continue. Somehow the subject of Scientology remains interesting good or bad. Through the years, the cast and crew have changed, but the lead character, dead L Ron continues to intrigue with new episodes all the time. Mini L Ron, Miss Cabbage has kept the show going and I can hardly wait for the HBO special.

  • Mockingbird

    I will always appreciate Gerry Armstrong for so many things . The affirmations are vital to exposing the true Ron Hubbard . I made a Fifty Shades of Hubbard the Affirmations dating game post at my blog for this – http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/02/fifty-shades-of-hubbard-affirmations.html