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CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST SCIENTOLOGY DRUG REHABS IN CALIFORNIA

narconon-redwood-cliffsCatapulting from the success of Las Vegas attorney Ryan Hamilton, who spent the past year filing 27 lawsuits against Scientology’s drug rehab network Narconon, three attorneys who have watched Hamilton closely have filed a new class-action lawsuit against two Narconon corporations in California with two initial plaintiffs.

Indiana attorney David Miller, California attorney Michael Ram, and Seattle attorney Beth Terrell filed their suit in federal court in Northern California, and have asked for both national and regional classes to be certified as their clients sue for breach of contract, negligent representation, false advertising, and unfair competition.

In other words, they’re hoping to add potentially many more plaintiffs around the United States who believe they have been harmed by what the suit characterizes as Narconon’s deceptive business practices.

If you’ve observed Hamilton’s lawsuits evolve since we began watching them, you may have some sense of the way he found evidence to show that Narconon centers claim to be secular and offer individualized drug training. But when patients pay the approximately $30,000 to enter the program, they soon find that the Narconon program contains no drug counseling at all, but instead is the same Scientology training that beginning church members go through.

You’ll see the same evidence that Hamilton unearthed referred to in this new lawsuit, and it’s laser focused on that essential bait and switch. (Other lawsuits have made allegations about rampant drug use by Narconon staffs, and allegations of drugs traded for sex, and also harm caused by the program’s focus on lengthy sauna use. But here, the suit is about the essential deception about what Narconon offers.)

Plaintiff Nathan Burgoon is from California, and he spent time last fall at a Narconon in Watsonville, Narconon Redwood Cliffs (pictured), which is owned by Narconon Northern California (NNC). According to the complaint…

Mr. Burgoon opted to terminate his “treatment” after complying with NNC’s direction that he spend six to eight hours a day for twenty straight days in a hot sauna, in accordance with the Narconon Program. NNC did not, and has not, refunded Mr. Burgoon any of the $37,500 he paid. Had Mr. Burgoon been informed that “treatment” at NNC consisted of the study of Scientology and participation in Scientology rituals, he would not have enrolled in a Narconon Program…

The other plaintiff, Caleb Landers, is from Pennsylvania, and he went to a Narconon center in Warner Springs, in San Diego County, which is owned by Narconon Fresh Start (NFS). After his parents had paid an initial $10,000 for him to start the program…

It became apparent to Mr. Landers that NFS had strong ties to Scientology and the Narconon Program was a tool to promote its teachings. Mr. Landers observed that all of the text books used by NFS were written by L. Ron Hubbard. Furthermore, Mr. Landers was regularly forced to perform Scientology rituals that were often mischaracterized as drills, exercises and/or counselling sessions. Mr. Landers advised his parents of his experiences at NFS and with their consent decided to leave the NFS Warner Springs Facility. Mr. Landers’ parents also placed a stop payment request on a personal check written to NFS for $21,000.00.

We spoke with David Miller, and he says that there has been a lull in new lawsuits recently as attorneys around the country were waiting to see what would happen with Hamilton’s request to consolidate Narconon lawsuits so that they would be heard out of a single courtroom. But the US Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation denied that request, and so now attorneys suing Narconon are ramping back up. Miller says this new lawsuit is just the first of several more that are coming.

And he points out that because some of the first lawsuits that Hamilton began filing more than a year ago have survived attempts by Narconon to have them dismissed, those lawsuits are now moving into discovery phase. Hamilton will have the opportunity to begin deposing Narconon and Scientology officials, which will be testimony that other teams suing the rehab system can use.

In each of the dozens of lawsuits filed in recent years, the defendants tend to be a local rehab center, but also two Scientology umbrella groups: the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), and an entity it oversees, Narconon International (NI). NI in turn licenses Narconon’s program to the invidual rehab centers.

We pointed out to Miller that the presidents of both ABLE and NI have been disappeared by Scientology. Would he and Hamilton be asking Scientology to produce them for deposition?

We’ll be fascinated to find out what happens if ABLE is asked to produce Rena Weinberg, who vanished from ABLE in 2007 and was subsequently seen to be in the church’s infamous prison for executives, “The Hole,” and Narconon International is asked to produce Clark Carr, who suddenly abandoned his offices in January. And if they do show up, we expect they’ll have some interesting stories to tell.

Here’s the complaint:

Burgoon v Narconon: Complaint

 
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Your proprietor and the ‘C’ word

We thought this was an interesting moment during our recent appearance with Caroline Modarressy-Tehrani on HuffPost Live. We know that many don’t agree with us, but it’s a succinct answer that we wanted to preserve for the next time we get asked this question.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 31, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Ruby

    Great interview!

  • Vaquera

    Did I hear Megyn just bump it up to $4 billion?

  • Juicer77

    TC gets saluted while on Co$ grounds, people must smile. Kidman was scientologist but not as dedicated as TC, she felt Tom was becoming too much like DM.

  • Sibs

    Paused Going Clear just before the explanation of “The Hole” so my baby brother can go to bed. He is ANGRY. He says, “I could write five paragraphs about how terrible $cientology is!” “They say they’re doing good things, but they’re really evil!” “Why do they get away with being so evil?!”

    I love my baby brother. He’s so smart!

    (He asked me if he could see the rest tomorrow while our parents are at work, but I dunno… he’ll be horrified by what comes next.)

    • He wants to write about Scientology? You have a budding “Tony” on your hands!

      • Sibs

        I hope that $cientology will be obliterated by the time he gets old enough to be a journalist.

        Edit: We’re starting the doc again. Closing laptop.

    • MaxSpaceman

      how old, little brother ?

      • Sibs

        He’s 9. But he’ll always be the baby because the rest of us are so much older than him.

        • MaxSpaceman

          4th Grade. tough call. You’ll do what’s best for him 🙂

  • Zana

    What program is this? I want to watch! Is there a link out here?

    • aquaclara

      Fox news

    • Lucille Austero

      FOX NEWS right now.

      • beauty for ashes

        I don’t think she heard you Lucille.

      • Zana

        Thank you! I ran to my TV but couldn’t find the station …. there are so many of them and I never watch Fox. I’ll find it later on fox.com. Thank you for letting me know!

  • aquaclara

    Scientology has $4 billion dollars – everything staged. You must smile. Not a blade of grass out of order.
    “Do you think Scientology had a role in breaking up the marriage of Nicole and Tom? ” yes., absolutely.

  • Juicer77

    Questions about Mike’s smear accusations. Mention of his blog. His last church action was on church property yelling at Sweeney. If anyone says anything negative about Co$ their “confessions” are produced, but they are coerced, esp by DM.

  • Ruby

    This interview is a great addition to the documentary.

  • aquaclara

    Rinder : there are confessions. Or you will be stuck in the Hole.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Mike did so well ! To an audience over 1 million ! ( iirc ) Plus- there is part 2 tomorrow evening !!

  • Ruby

    More tomorrow night!

  • Lucille Austero

    More tomorrow on Megyn Kelly!

  • Juicer77

    next part of multi-part interview tomorrow!

  • generic sock

    Bigots.. Perjury… Gibney doesn’t put the toilet seat up when he pees…
    Same old shit.

    • Juicer77

      They need a new voice box (f5)

    • Sibs

      Wait… when did you become just a plain generic sock?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        901 comments ago 😉

        • generic sock

          903.

      • generic sock

        I’ve always been a generic sock.

        • Vaquera

          The designer sock is on your other foot.

          • generic sock

            No it’s not. I use it to make it look like I have another foot.

  • aquaclara

    People have to salute? Yes.
    This “Church” in quotes.
    The HOLE. How can this happen?
    How can they do this?

    MORE TOMORROW.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      What’s all this about the hole, anyway?

      • aquaclara

        Ha ha, you know. That one that does not exist. Except that they showed a pic!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    I love Mike Rinder!
    He just comes across so genuine.
    And nice plug for Jenna’s book when talking about kids in the SeaOrg.

    Hey Dave? Do you hear helicopters in your sleep?

    • On Megyn on Fox tomorrow night, too. 🙂

  • aquaclara

    Mike Rinder, you rock! Great job! More tomorrow!

    Megyn Fox is on Twitter. If you tweet, send a note. She has covered this all week, taking it on. Great job.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I did my first real talk tweet to her. I usually send links and retweets, etc.

      • aquaclara

        Good for you! I am in awe!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Thanks for the play by play all. The fact that this is on Fox News is really a big deal since Tax Exemptions are part of the solution here – I’d like to see a commercial on Fox News and any of the Money channels just repeating Scientology’s Leader – sitting on $3 Billion – Tax Free. Just that, over and over. The earth will move.

  • beauty for ashes

    Don’t forget to turn off Fox News now, I heard they hypnotize you into being republican.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s true.

  • Zana

    Is there anyone who has a link to the news program. I couldn’t find it fast enough. Never watch Fox… still don’t know what channel it’s on on my TV. I’d love to see the interview!!

    • MaxSpaceman

      It’ll be on Fox .com later. It’s good.

      • Zana

        Thank you!

      • Zana

        Thank you! And I found the link to the second part on Mike Rinders blogs, comment section, today. Thank you.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    It’s 10 pm already! Jeesh. So many chores waiting tomorrow.
    Good job on all these interviews – everyone. Doing rapid fire interviews can’t be easy. And I believe Tony said he’s done 3 in one day. You know, in his spare time.

    • Juicer77

      Typing this fast for 10 minutes exhausts me. I can’t imagine how TO does it all the time.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Cats clocked at 120 wpm

        • Juicer77

          Dang, I’m only 90!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I should have checked and Counted how many fingers Tony had flying over the keyboard.

      • aquaclara

        And he captures the words exactly right. Which I cannot do.

        🙂

      • Mymy88

        I hear that!

    • aquaclara

      While the puppy dog must be dropping toys at his feet, saying it’s time to play!

    • Mymy88

      Tony must be so wiped out but I bet he’s still running on adrenalin so he’s not feeling the exhaustion, yet. I’m just speculating – I have no idea what it would be like to be in his position.

  • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

    Megyn Kelly is doing a brilliant job with Mike Rinder in covering Going Clear, Rinder’s involvement and history, Miscavige, Cruise, the Hole, the Sea Org, children being raised in the SO, and more. Apparently there will be another segment tomorrow night. Awesome sauce and three hail Xenu’s.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is the 2nd one!

      • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

        I know! It’s awesome.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I hope this keeps up until enough letters get to Washington. And phones ringing off the hook. It’s the only way, but it needs a ground swell to create that political will.

      • aquaclara

        Third.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Woh.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Lisa? is that you?

    • Captain MustSavage

      Are these likely to be accessible somewhere for those who didn’t catch them?

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    I wonder if Greta is trying to kill Megyn with her OATEE powers?
    Maybe once she realizes the “tech doesn’t work” she will blow.

    Naw……….

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      She’s probably gnawing on the cable wires now.

    • Snake Plissken

      Greta probably saying to herself … remind me again why I belong to this batshit crazy cult

      • Robert Eckert

        Do you mean Scientology, or Fox?

        • Snake Plissken

          yeah

        • KNMF

          pow pow

          • Mymy88

            pew pew

        • Mymy88

          hahahahaha ZING A DING DING!

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        We can hope.

    • generic sock

      Nails will be broken. Hair will be pulled. Mouths will be mumbling. Errr, That last bit is unrelated.

    • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

      Is Greta STILL a Scilon? You’d think she’d get the news by now. *rolls eyes*

      • Mymy88

        Maybe Greta “quietly left the church”. I don’t think that would get her off the hook though, except I guess it would make the hook a little shorter.

    • Juicer77

      I am VERY curious about GVS’s position on this right now. She’s a high OT so don’t tell me she doesn’t know about the abuses

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Two words: John Coale. If it’s going to hurt his clout, he’ll probably pull out.

        • KNMF

          You would think, but you know those auditing files and Miscavige’s PIs. Once you lay down with Scientology they find out your secrets and if you’ve done enough bad things you’ll think twice about pulling out.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Unless he has his Own dossier on DM. That would be mighty fine.

            • KNMF

              Yes. that might make his quiet exit doable. Might get him in hot water re attorney client privilege if Miscavige was ever his client, but he could leak I suppose. They’re all very leaky.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Negotiation chips.

            • KNMF

              spiritual stuff, having to do with religion. growing pains for a “new religion”

            • Mymy88

              Leverage LOL

            • Robert Eckert
            • Mymy88

              Hey… maybe Greta is a double agent? I’d totally let her off the hook if she was lol.

            • Juicer77

              You just gave her the most EPIC exit “shore story” ever. And even though it’s a fabrication, I’ll take it! Spill it, Greta!

            • generic sock

              She spills it every time she tries to take a sip from a glass.

            • KNMF

              She’s a tad hair-lippy.

            • Sherbet

              It’s on a par with “The noble lrh infiltrated Jack Parson’s cabal under orders from the US Navy to break up the black magic ring.”

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Just the idea put out there could drive DM more off his rocker. We’ve heard how paranoid he is.

      • Mymy88

        You are not the only one! I’m dying to find out. It burns my butt that she’s a Scientologist. Her job is to be in the KNOW and she is famous for projecting this image. Apparently, it’s just an image and not the true substance of what she’s about. How else can it be explained?

        • Ella Raitch

          A bit embarrassing for a journalist to be the last one to uncover the truth about an organisation you have been a part of for years – kinda destroys the credibility

          • Juicer77

            Nobody is immune. Nobody.

        • Juicer77

          I think we just had a cognition – did I say that right?

          • Mymy88

            Cool. I always wanted to know what that was like lol.

            • Juicer77

              And it was FREE! Pretty squirrely, huh?

      • aquaclara

        I don’t care about her. It’s just great seeing coverage on our topic, with appropriate outrage, by someone who is trying to get it.

        We need to lobby her to get Tony on her show. Sending a note.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, yeah, that’ll happen.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            What? No play nice with Raw Story? So much for Fair and Balanced.

            • Sherbet

              GVS must be very shy, because she says NOTHING about scientology. Her husband does, but not Greta. But how delicious it would be for her to be forced to address “Going Clear.” It’s news, isn’t it? She’s a newsperson, isn’t she? //guffaw//

            • aquaclara

              Focus, Sherb! Forget Greta.

            • Sherbet

              That’s almost like forgetting Alley, Travolta, Cruise. She’s one of Them. And the irony is she reports on news stories. But I’ll try to focus.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Isn’t her sister a psychiatrist?

            • Sherbet

              Yes.

          • aquaclara

            Try. You never know. See my note up top. 2.8 million viewers. And she saw this movie.

            • Sherbet

              I’ll send you a big, gorgeous bouquet if you’re right. And I sure hope you’re right, aqua! It would be the second best thing I’ve seen on TV since last Sunday night. (You’re talking about GVS, right?)

    • edge

      At best, she’ll steal Megyn’s parking spot or cut her off at the lights :). OT Powers, yo!

    • generic sock

      I imagine an OT trying to use the Force Choke like Darth Vader, but they’re just posed like an idiot with their fingers out because it doesn’t work.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Tony’s going to need his own Media Agent. And Personal Assistant. And dog walker. And cat scratcher. And a gaggle of typists. Yesterday. I make excellent soup and salad.

    http://i.imgur.com/h429RmK.jpg

    • Sherbet

      Me! Me! Me! Call on me!

      • Juicer77

        *shoves Sherbet out of the way* XD

        • Sherbet

          Share, for heaven’s sake.

          • Juicer77

            Okay, I sorry 🙂

            • Sherbet

              You can have the dog walking job.

            • Juicer77

              Done!

            • MaxSpaceman

              You all sound like you’re part of the mushrooming O Org.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              We do, don’t we? With that, I’m going to try and get back on schedule and get the heck outta here.

            • Juicer77

              Get some rest… xoxo

            • MaxSpaceman

              No, not really. I feel it too. It’s best shown by the picture DT Laser posted.

              Actually it’s not the O Org. It’s like DT Laser did in the City when he was here. He went on Bunker Patrol.

              I felt that- when DT Laser posted that picture.

              So- it’s really Underground Bunker action, in service of the Bunker. We’re all in this together. With Tony. That’s what 29 Sunday was all about. 🙂

            • Juicer77

              Yes 🙂

            • MaxSpaceman

              Not only that, but Underground Bunker International Operations are already in play.

              Twitter Universe is patrolled and operations occurring with Nola Girl and Texas Cowgirl (Vaquera), along with many others now.

              And all the Bunker Tipsters? An International operation. So- it’s already been happening!

            • Sherbet

              Are we in the inner circle if we weren’t in NY? I feel left out.

            • MaxSpaceman

              It’s an International Operation. Yes, natch! This is 24/7/365 1,000 to 3,000 comments per day, with 50,000 unique visitors 29 March. :))

            • Sherbet

              Thank you, Karin Pouw.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Oh man!!!
              Shiver Me Timbers !

            • Mymy88

              Timber me shivers!

            • Juicer77

              Absolutely NOT! That’s why we posted pics here so you all felt like you were there, too.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for that. OK, so I don’t feel left out.

            • Juicer77

              Sherb, I ended up next to TO at dinner and was freaking out thinking someone was going to kick me off the chair shouting “you’re a newbie! go home!” but it doesn’t work that way in the Bunker. Everyone is so kind and including. I owe a great deal to THDNE and Aquaclara for taking this chick under their wings 🙂

            • Sherbet

              I’m so glad for you and for all the Bunkeroos who made the trip.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s either be glad for them or stew in teeth-gritting jealousy, so yeah.

            • Sherbet

              The thing is, I don’t live far away, and I could have gone, so I’ve no reason to be jealous. Shy and cowardly, yes, but not envious. Some day, Robert, some day.

            • Mymy88

              Nope, no jealously if you are afeared of famous people lol!

            • Robert Eckert

              You could have just hidden from Tony and hung out with the more nebbishy Bunkeroos.

            • Mymy88

              Another time, I was at a party and a B list? or maybe C-list? athletic celebrity was the guest of honor. I hid behind a huge potted plant. It’s true. What does nebbishy mean? That must be some kind of Bunkerism lol. Never mind… I am not worthy lol.

            • Robert Eckert

              “nebbish” is a Yiddishism, Mark must have rubbed off on me. It means just like it sounds.

            • scottmercer

              What is a nebbish? The character that Woody Allen usually plays. Or George Costanza.

            • Mymy88

              Ohhhhh, I totally get it now. Yep, I definitely slide into nebbishy behavior quite easily and naturally lol. Oh, and frequently LOL. I would throw Barney Fife in that category, also. He’s the one I most identify with lol.

            • Mymy88

              I’m afeared of famous people. Once me and a friend ran into Robin Williams sitting at the bar. She had fun flirting with him and got his autograph. I took off and hid inside of a phone booth so she couldn’t find me and drag me out. Yeah, it was a long time ago. I hate that every time I have an anecdote there’s always some f’n obsolete technology that can’t be left out of the telling! Ugh.

            • Juicer77

              Will it make you feel better that I grew up with a B&W television? We turned it on before dinner to watch it AFTER dinner, when the dot got big enough. Maybe we were just poor. LOL

            • Mymy88

              Ha ha ha ha. We had a Zenith on a roller cart. It was in the living room, but it got rolled into the kitchen at dinner time hee hee. Good times, well sometimes lol.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Sherb- you were already posting people to the Dog walk !
              Don’t be too humble now 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Are you calling me two-faced? Why, I oughta…

            • Mymy88

              The noive!

            • MaxSpaceman

              Lolol Sherbie ~

            • Billy Bob

              Groupies.
              (exit stage left)

            • Juicer77

              Naw, I’m just nosy and want the inside scoop sooner rather than later!

            • Sherbet

              Ohhh, nooooo! It’s a cult! (We’ve heard that before in the Bunker. It’s a favorite line of trolls.)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ahem, and Marty on a bad day.

            • Sherbet

              Yes, he has a thing about us pretenders to the throne. There’s room for only one King of Ex-scientologists.

            • Mymy88

              Gheeeaagah. I’m sure he meant it in a nice way? Yeah.

            • Mymy88

              Well……… if the shoe fits…

              …don’t worry! Miscavige is the one wearing it! Ha ha.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I can hum while I serve the soup. Think of the salary savings!

            • Sherbet

              I think Tony would pay more than $.50/hour, but we’d do it for nothing.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        There’s plenty to do –

        • Sherbet

          I’m a heck of a typist and speller. The nuns taught me.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Me two. Ouch! Me too.

            • Sherbet

              Ruler scars!

    • A bird in the chimney

      I’m down for cat scratcher. Also I’m great at organizing — anything, really.

      • Juicer77

        (*waves*)

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Megyan’s program on FOX News is repeated at 12 EST I love it so, will watch again even if vid is up.

  • antibity

    Tony Ortega now on KCRW with Warren Olney!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      A Repeat? Yay

    • aquaclara

      What state us that?

      • antibity

        LA – KCRW.com NPR

        • MadMaxi

          Thanks!

      • Sherbet

        Clear. 😉

        • antibity

          listen live at kcrw.con

          Angelenos React to HBO Documentary on Scientology

          HBO is airing a two-hour documentary full of horror stories by former members of Scientology. Celebrity members Tom Cruise and John Travolta are depicted as partners in an abusive cult worth billions of dollars, but declared a tax-exempt religion by the IRS. Scientology calls it “bigoted propaganda” from “admitted liars.” We talk about the impact in Hollywood — the headquarters of Scientology.

          • MaxSpaceman

            it’s an excellent show. glad it’s airing again. 🙂

  • antibity

    probably live from earlier today – broadcasts several times – about Going Clear

  • MaxSpaceman

    The only thing upcoming, vis-a-vis Scientology, that will be going straight up and vertical?

    That’s going to be the volcanic attention that will be placed on the release of “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    My tweet” megyankelly#kellyfiles: Megyan, you shine like the sun, bright and brilliant! Thank you for showing the truth re #Scientology.”
    I’m like a little kid, so happy.

  • aegerprimo

    OMG! I have been swamped since Sunday night collecting all the bad press on the Church of Scientology. Most of you know already, that I collect the bad press and post monthly lists at the anti-scientology chat forums. I had a hard time keeping up with the press after the release of ‘Going Clear’.
    The March list is a DOOZY!

    Select your favorite forum to view the list for March.

    ESMB (Ex-Scientologist Message Board) – http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38261-Co-Bad-Press-Collection-2015&p=1022685&viewfull=1#post1022685

    WWP (Why We Protest) – https://whyweprotest.net/threads/co-bad-press-collection-2015.123076/#post-2525798

    OCMB (Operation Clambake Message Board) – http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=724381#p724381

    RFTTP (Reaching For The Tipping Point) – http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12869.msg35213.html#msg35213

    ESK (Ex-Scientology Kids) – http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11477&p=35037#p35036

    Miss Tia, Bunkeroo extraordinaire is hosting a page where you can find the monthly links to my threads at the chat forums. Bookmark this page – http://misstia.com/badpresslobby.html

    She will post the highlighted articles for March within a day or two. You can find this list on this page as well.

    • aegerprimo

      Goodnight… it is WAY past my bed time.

      • Juicer77

        Thanks for all the hard work!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You’re going to need a full staff too!

      • MaxSpaceman

        Bunker Operations Control. 🙂
        (needed. I wish I could quit my job!)

  • Gus_Cox

    BAM! Ortega lays it out.

    Nice job.

  • aquaclara

    Just looked it up. Megyn Kelly has an audience of about 2.8 million viewers.
    She has covered Going Clear several times this week,included her letter from the chult, and, undeterred, will again tomorrow night. Mike Rinder did an excellent job on tonight’s show.

    Send some tweet love and help reinforce her choice to cover this story.

    This is a big audience. I’d love to see her feature Tony, too!

    • Wogsy

      Wowzers that is awesome.

      • aquaclara

        Exactly. 2.8 million. Click love over on her site, pls.

        • Wogsy

          Do you mean like???

          • aquaclara

            Yes. Find her site and click up, click comments, share, retweet. Whatever.

            • Wogsy

              oh ok. phew! I thought it was me. I was looking for the love button.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ask Generic Sock. He’ll know where the button is located.

            • Wogsy

              Are you sure??? He usually pushes all the wrong ones. At least for me.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Doesn’t mean he knows how to push it…..just hypothetically where it’s at.

            • generic sock

              Goddamn childproof safety locks. Pushing the button is like breaking into a bank vault. wtf.

            • Did you abandon your sock account or are you using both now?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I use both. : ) Mood pending. Why? Do you prefer Wogsy Wonka? (No snark involved in this comment)

            • I just didn’t know it was you so I was confused that’s all.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oh crap. my bad. i assumed everyone knew.

            • No, I had no idea. I thought wogsy wonka was a new person so when you were teasing me abou being Jimmy’s PR person — I was like “What the hell?”

            • Super Power Wogsy

              lolol. oh man. i totally thought you knew from day one. you were the first one to comment about my name so i just thought you gravitated towards wogsy wonka more. monkey and max knew, so i was like “well, i guess everyone knows!” my bad.

            • Couch_Incident

              Well, she did hint at it in her 2010 GQ spread:

            • Zana

              Always look for the love button. 🙂

    • KNMF

      Rinder seems more nervous to me when on FOX. Probably just me.

      • Juicer77

        Mr. J said that too. Understandable, live TV. I’ve only done it once and it’s quite different from being taped. Also, hard to condense all this skullduggery into points newbies can understand.

        • KNMF

          Yes, and sitting across from that shimmering, overly animated barbie doll probably takes some getting used to.

          • Juicer77

            The eye makeup alone is startling.

            • KNMF

              When she asked how an intelligent person can stay in Scientology and Rinder kind of threw up his hands and said something like “we’re still trying to figure that out,”
              I thought to myself, well yes we do know why it happens. There are studies and research and precedents for all of this in cults and prison camps and hostage situations, etc…
              In this case Hubbard designed the processing and Miscavige refined it further to do just what it is doing.

            • Zana

              Is there a 2nd part? I watched the rerun on fox.com. There was only a Part 1. Is there a Part 2? Or is that tomorrow?

              I think he did terrific! Held his own. Yippeeee!!! Millions more people!

            • KNMF

              Yes. Part two tomorrow I believe.

    • MaxSpaceman

      that’s a very big audience. didn’t know her #s were that high. :))

      • KNMF

        A huge audience, especially for an android.

        • MaxSpaceman

          ( yep )

    • Couch_Incident

      Whatever your feelings about Fox News, this is an important demographic to hit. In order to reexamine the the CO$ tax exemption, the IRS and/or the congressional committees overseeing it will have to overcome worries by Christian fundamentalist groups that they will be examined too.

      • MaxSpaceman

        This is true.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          So say we all.

          • Baby

            Meeting adjourned..pass the Caek 3 pieces please.. That was so fuckin good..OMG..Now I want some more..

      • Robert Eckert

        Exactamundo. As a dyed-in-the-wool hater of all things Fox News, I still have to rejoice over this development.

        • KNMF

          Me too. Fox News is brainwash central.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          Agreed, but reluctantly so for fear of being skipped on.

          • Robert Eckert

            Yes, let’s try to skip that part.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Well to be accurate, really, it should only be referred to as Fox Opinion. It is not news.

      • generic sock

        Damn right. Once the red states get on board, Scientology is done.

        • Captain MustSavage

          What states were those Co$ representatives elected to last year?

          • Robert Eckert

            There was the ostrich-egg guy in Nevada.

        • KNMF

          Of course if the Red overlords and FOX believe that Scientology is useful to them, like ISIS and Ebola, then maybe they’ll deem it wise to keep scientology around awhile.

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Old news by now, but just wanted to reiterate Ricky Gervais’ tweet:
    “Watched the fantastic HBO documentary on Scientology last night. New religions are just as much fun as old ones. #GoingClear”
    And point out that he has 7.3 million followers.

    • Chee Chalker

      I love Ricky Gervais, but I am disappointed in this tweet. This falls into the ‘all religions are crazy’ argument favored by the Scibot trolls who begin their posts with ‘I am not a Scientologist, but……’
      What we need the public to understand is that Scientology is not a religion. It is a scam. An abusive, criminal, tax dodging organization.

  • I put Philip Borggren Levin ‘s story ( in earlier comments) on the Danish Org’s health problems through google translate and ended up with the (possible) headline of the week:

    pic

    • here’s his comment which explains it…. just typical scientology logic dealing with wog problems

      • Frodis73

        You would think the second fine would be larger as punishment for not fixing something after a first citation…that’s pretty ass backwards.

      • Baby

        Enjoyed your blog today Lush.. Lots of good stuff all in the same place!

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Yo. Hold the damn phones. I was reading through some of the old VV materials and ran back into Marty’s list of trusted OSA sources and whatnot. One of the people listed on the first page is Doug Williams out of Flag. Comments say “Is black and effective speaker. Initial clearances????”. Is this the same Doug that won a Superbowl for my hometown Redskins, then went on to become a front office exec in Tampa? Say it aint so!!!

    • MaxSpaceman

      No! is it ?!? Srsly ?

    • Juicer77

      Lovely how “is black” is suddenly an exploitable asset to the Co$. Sickening.

      • Sherbet

        Right. “There’s a whole segment of population with cash and credit cards that we haven’t dipped into yet. Let’s get Doug Williams to break the ice.”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Probably a different Doug Williams. The ‘speaker’ Doug Williams I knew in L.A. was there for years and years, at least from the early 80’s. He was very active in trying to get TWTH into the black community, educational programs etc. West coast for a long time.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Thanks for that. I appreciate it and will have less nightmares to the tune of We Stand Tall tonight. . . Bless you, MLT!

  • Vaquera

    Ralph Reid, aide to Pinellas County commissioner.
    https://twitter.com/ralphreid/status/583455874640961536

    • Juicer77

      A promising start…

    • Sherbet

      Ya think, Ralph?

    • generic sock

      You know what else is pretty eye-opening? Opening your fucking eyes.

      • Juicer77

        I can’t, I’m still recovering from the Koloa rum and bigger-assed glass. (lays back down on the floor with a pillow over her face)

        • generic sock

          >D

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Fantastic. I hope he natters at the water cooler tomorrow at work like no one has ever nattered before.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Cant see it on my android tab, V. What’s its say?!

      • Sherbet

        “Ralph Reid salutes David Miscavige. Earns burlwood pen.”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Woh.

          • MaxSpaceman

            No! it didn’t. It was something about him noticing how weird scn is. like for the 1st time.!

            • Sherbet

              Coincidentally, it’s April Fools Day.

            • MaxSpaceman

              you are an operator, Sherbie. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Anything for a laugh.

            • MaxSpaceman

              >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ev-ry Things Com-ing Up Ro-ses <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

            • Sherbet

              Except for scientology.

      • Juicer77

        Gone now, according to generic sock.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Why is the area blank for me above?

      OK, maybe something troubling about post.

      • MaxSpaceman

        rather than a screenshot, which could not be deleted, it’s been deleted by Reid.

        Vaquera was linking to his tweet. So when he deleted it, it disappeared from Bunker board.

        • Robert Eckert

          But it hasn’t been erased from human memories, has it? Did anyone see it?

          • generic sock

            It said Going Clear was “eye-opening” and “almost terrifying”, or something like that. And there was a picture of Big Blue from the movie poster.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Supah!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yay! She said before turning out the lights. Now how about that Mayor?

            • Juicer77

              Tomorrow…. *yawn*

    • generic sock

      He deleted it. Just now. Haha

      • Juicer77

        * slaps forehead * His boss must have called… ETA; PLEASE PLEASE SOMEONE HAVE A SCREEN SHOT

        • Ella Raitch

          Someone else is watching the #GoingClear hashtag then

      • generic sock

        FTR I hope the poor guy doesn’t get in trouble. I just don’t know why you would tweet something you regret immediately. It wasn’t even a controversial opinion. Everyone that has seen the documentary came away with that same opinion. It is eye opening and terrifying.

        • Vaquera

          When I first saw it, I was hoping that his boss actually asked him to tweet about it.

      • KNMF

        Too late, Ralphy boy. Enjoy the black SUV parked across the street when you walk out your front door tomorrow morning.

      • Vaquera

        No way! Way!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I know that the Pinellas County Commissioners are well aware of Scio tactics, since the Aquarium episode.

    • A bird in the chimney

      I happened to have this page open w/o having refreshed in awhile, so PrtScr plus Paint and voila! F5

      • Wogsy

        hahahaha! Awesome! Someone should tweet this to him.

      • Juicer77

        YESSSSSSS!

      • Sibs

        You beat me to it. Oops!

        • A bird in the chimney

          The more the merrier 🙂

          • Sibs

            I was so excited about it too!

            • A bird in the chimney

              I know the feeling all too well!

      • Wogsy

        Can anyone tweet this to him???

        • Wogsy

          just to rub it in his face? No? Too mean?

          • Juicer77

            The silly fool. Once you post, you’re toast.

            • A bird in the chimney

              The Internet never forgets.

      • aquaclara

        Love that you captured this!

      • Frodis73

        I see that he included a link in his tweet…anybody know what it links to?

        • generic sock

          That’s the picture of Big Blue.

          • Frodis73

            D’oh! Thanks. I should have known that. Lol.

        • A bird in the chimney

          He linked to this Washington Post article: http://tinyurl.com/occ3oxb

          (eta: shortcut links as in his tweet can be googled to find the correct URL 🙂

      • Vaquera

        Great!

      • He should be embarassed that he did not already know this stuff.

    • Wogsy

      Maybe he did it for April Fools Day?

    • Sibs

      I CAN STILL SEE IT! SCREENSHOT!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        So You Can Hear Us NOW?! About damn time.

        • Billy Bob

          Dawning is the day

        • Frodis73

          That is what I just tweeted to him!

      • Baby

        NO SHIT SHERLOCK.. HELLLO?

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Ralph Reed. Reminds me of that old hitchslap, “if given an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox.”

      • Oh, Hitch, how I miss your brain.

        • Mymy88

          Me too, so much (frown face). He pops into my head a lot. He went way too soon.

  • Sibs

    Finished watching Going Clear. So now my parents understand why I spend so much time reading the Bunker, and they know what I’m talking about (we just discussed Monique’s harassment lawsuit and how it’s stuck in appeals).

    More observations: I like that they used the typewriter as they were defining terms – put a visual to what they were explaining in dialogue which made the definition easy to remember. Was once again observing how good they were about letting the images speak for themselves at key moments, especially when it came to sources from within the church (like the event videos and, especially, their attacks on critics). Yes, there was a lot of information left out, but what can you do? $cientology is a vast topic. I think this documentary is a compelling introduction for audiences who never cared to know anything about the cult before – people who used to think that $cientology was just some kooky new-age religion that should be left alone.

    … Yes, I’m still calling it a cult. Not to start any debate, but because it turns my stomach to think of it as a “church”. Just my personal preference, and I couldn’t really care less if someone challenges me on it because that argument is totally beside the point.

    • Juicer77

      Free speech FTW!

    • MaxSpaceman

      “I think this documentary is a compelling introduction for audiences who never cared to know anything about the cult before…”

      That’s why I think this baby is going to be Oscar-nominated. For sure.

    • It’s a masterpiece from a graphic and art direction point of view. Of course, that’s only one aspect of its mastery, it’s really a fine documentary and very Oscarworthy.

      • Sibs

        I am a sucker for visual storytelling. And Going Clear is a FANTASTIC piece of visual storytelling.

    • Sibs

      P.S.: Parents and I have decided we’re going to tell baby brother that the password for HBO got changed so the two of us can’t watch the rest tomorrow. I think learning about The Hole and disconnection and fair game would upset him too much.

      • Couch_Incident

        Reminds me of watching the $cn bit they did on the History Channel’s “America’s Book of Secrets” with my first grader. Thought it would not distract him at all from his Legos, but he started paying intense attention to it, and I decided to turn it off despite the live blogging here.

        • Sibs

          Yeah, I thought he was just going to keep playing Zelda. But he hates being left out whenever Mom and I want to watch something serious, now that he’s old enough to notice that we try to schedule these things around him.

  • Sherbet

    How does it happen that I visit the Bunker for 10 minutes, and the next thing I know, it’s 2 hours later?

    Bed awaits. Goodnight, Bunkerites.

    • Juicer77

      Me three. Night!

      • MaxSpaceman

        ‘night ‘night zzz zz z

    • Mymy88

      I HATE that crap (time flies way too fast when you’re at the Bunker).

    • Nightey night o dessert-monickered one.

  • Mockingbird

    Hey , I just read about Tony Ortega’s book and wondered something : was the title for Ellie Kemper’s Netflix show Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt stolen from Tony Ortega’s book title ? It is about a cult survivor !?

    • Kimmie went into pre-production for about 2 years and I doubt that anybody stole anything from anyone. And it’s utterly hilarious. I devoured it in about three sittings. I haven’t laughed that hard at TV in years.

      • generic sock

        Your recommendation is gold. Thanks.

        • It’s absurdist comedy on a level I’ve rarely seen outside Britain or the old Chuck Jones Warner Brothers cartoons.

          • Frodis73

            I watched it a second time through…{hanging head, I have no life}

          • Chee Chalker

            They alive……….damn it!

      • Ella Raitch

        Hated the first ep and didn’t continue…maybe I missed something?

        • Or, it’s not your type of humor. Humor is very subjective. I enjoy the absurd.

      • Mockingbird

        I was unsure , as she is in an underground bunker !!!! A tribute to Tony Ortega !? I have mixed feelings ; I enjoy the show as light fare but cults are not accurately portrayed in TV . In The Following random serial killers hook up like a Craigslist for killers which is not what I found in my 25 year experience in Scientology .

        They just have a psycho killfest .

  • MoX, Mother of Xenu

    Looking at tweets and they just don’t feel to bohdi well …..

    • Juicer77

      I see what you did there (sneaks back upstairs to bed:)

  • scnethics

    I just had a pleasant daydream in which Greta Van Susteren opened her show with the news that she is no longer a scientologist. I can dream, right?

    • How about a pleasant daydream in which Greta Van Susteren tweeted the news that she is no longer a Fox news reader?

      • scnethics

        Do you think she watches Fox News? I seriously doubt it.

  • scottmercer

    So last night was my third time through Going Clear. Once in the cinema, once on Sunday night (solo), and last night sitting with my housemates (whose names and profession will remain undisclosed). So much better when I knew what segment of the film was coming up. Pausing frequently to give commentary and filling in stuff, though trying to keep it cogent and brief. Watching for their jaws dropping during certain scenes. Fun to watch peoples’ reactions.
    Turns out that they added their own story about an adventure they had at the Celebrity Center. Long story short, they thought they perhaps wanted to rent some part of the facility and went over for a little tour. They regretted it, and said that they could tell just by the affect of all the people that they were emotionless robots. Of course, they never rented any facilities over there.
    In addition, when I first moved into the house, there was another roommate. An ex-Scientologist. (Name not disclosed.) He was not too high in the org, but apparently on staff and somewhat high up because he was training auditors. He had been in for almost ten years. He blew in 2009, after the whole dust-up with Anonymous, and he went on the internet to find out what exactly was really going on. The internet strikes again. Scientology’s Achilles Heel. I really wanted to quiz him in depth, but I did not delve too deeply. He was a nice guy, liked to watch MMA and American Idol, and critcized my choice of watching bad old movies of the Mystery Science Theater Variety. (Hey, I like what I like.) A decent chap, but you could tell that his personality was still a little altered. I let him know that I was a Sci watcher of some duration, rattling off names like Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder and Jefferson Hawkins. All names that he was familiar with. He moved out a few years ago, but looking back now, I wish I had talked to him in depth about it a bit more. I hope he’s doing well, (when I lived with him he was quite gainfully employed and had a new girlfriend after his wife (still-in) divorced him) and I”m sure he set aside two hours on Sunday night and was smirking through every bit of it.

    • Couch_Incident

      How nice could he be if he didn’t like MST3K?

      • Baby

        That is exactly what I was thinking Couch..I have spent Marathon days watching it..

        • Couch_Incident

          The best part of coming home from college for Tgiving (other than hooking up with my hometown honey) was watching the MST3K marathons.

          • Baby

            Hilarious.. I watch it with my Grandkids when I visit Ohio..on Youtube..

            • Couch_Incident

              Do they get the cultural references? I think they’re unique to the 80’s.

            • Baby

              They don’t get everything.. just enough to make them laugh..

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        Not MST3K. Scott said that he likes the kind of movies that MST3K pillories. His ex-Sci roommate didn’t care for those kinds of films.

        • Couch_Incident

          True, but I’d like to think that those who like those movies have a MST3K banter running through their heads while watching.

    • generic sock

      I had a similar experience as I was pausing to give commentary. But then I got an “OK, shut up and hit play.” And then the commentary was over.

      • scottmercer

        Yeah, with my interjections I was trying to be helpful and brief as possible. Like during the Sea Org segment, I explained that Hubbard ran away from the US to the UK, then took to the high seas for 10 years.

        • generic sock

          I was only trying to fill in details I thought to be necessary to understand the people on screen. For example, the story of how Mike Rinder learned of his mother’s passing is one that will always stick with me. She had to choose between her children, and he learned that she’d already been buried, and from a casual acquaintance via email? WTF?

          I’m not an overly emotional person. I keep my tears locked up tight. But I was bawling when I read that story.

          • Robert Eckert

            I still get upset when I remember the death of Alexander Jentzsch and how they treated Karen at the time. I never knew him, and have never met Karen.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        My dad also had a similar experience with giving commentary. Every once in awhile he would pause to start talking, and i would
        turn to him slowly and give him “the look”. I’m like “yeah…i know who
        these people are. I was a scientologist”.

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        Same experience.
        My spouse, who has not read Going Clear, has never independently checked in at the bunker, and could not be considered a scientology watcher, said after we watched it together that there were nothing in it she has not heard before.

        • My sister said the same thing. And she isn’t a Sci-watcher either. I guess they listen more than we give them credit for 🙂

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Oh man. I bet he was smiling. I was. : )

  • Suzy

    This not-so-media-savvy Kitteh would like the thank the Bunker for getting me on Twitter. So much fun to be had.

    • Suzy

      Forgot picture

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Tweet from Questlove (3.3 million followers)
    “dog. watching #GoingClear at 1:19am alone in the dark is NOT THE MOVE.”

    • generic sock

      oh shit. I love questlove.

    • Baby

      I don’t get it.. What am I missing?

      • Super Power Wogsy

        I believe he is a rapper. I’m just assuming. I only listen to soundtrack music.

        • Baby

          Thanks Wogsy..So he is saying Going Clear is giving him the Creeps.. Good.. xo

          • Super Power Wogsy

            I believe so, but there has been so much snark over the last couple days, I’m like snarked out. But yes I’m assuming it was a snark comment, since everything else has been.

        • generic sock

          He’s the drummer/leader of The Roots. He’s the band leader on the Tonight Show. He’s very popular because he’s cooler than you or I could ever hope to be.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            oh man. I’m a bad person. i thought “questlove” was a rapper name. lolol. for shame.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Close enough. There is the rap group “Tribe called Quest”

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Yes. I’ve heard of a “Tribe called Quest” maybe that’s where I got it confused lmao.

            • generic sock

              I know I can kick it. Im’a kick it off to bed. Night
              http://youtu.be/71ubKHzujy8

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              That’s good stuff. Makes this white boy kick it like Elaine.

            • Baby

              night Mr. Sock..sweet dreams big guy

        • Are_sics

          Drummer, for The Roots. Among other things. A fine drummer, too.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            oh a drummer cool. well we both have something in common.

      • Vaquera

        Dog = Dude. Dude, watching #GoingClear at 1:19…. THE MOVE.

        • Baby

          Girl.. I knew Dog= Dude.. ( Jeeze how old do you think I am..) don’t answer that Texas…

          I think he’s saying that Going Clear is not the movie you want to watch all alone in the dark at 1:19 am..cause it is giving him the Willies.. Right?

          • Vaquera

            Yes, dog.

            • Baby

              You cute Dawg you..

          • Super Power Wogsy

            pronounced dawg : )

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        He’s the drummer and frontman of The Roots, Jimmy Kimmer’s band. I think he’s saying that he was freakin freaked-out scared watching it in the middle of the night, alone.

        • Baby

          Well..I am pickin up what you’re laying down Sir..

          • Robert Eckert

            You speak Jive?

            • Baby

              Oh absolutely Robert.. Hi am one Cool Cat..

            • Baby

              edit: I am one cool cat.. jeeze..

        • Missionary Kid

          Not Jimmy Kimmel’s band, Jimmy Fallon. They are extremely versatile and able to play just about any type of music you can think of.

          I see that someone else corrected it below.

          • April

            The Roots are freaking awesome.

            • Missionary Kid

              They are more versatile than any of the previous bands that have populated the Tonight Show, and that’s some pretty talented company.

              I haven’t heard them play classical music, but I don’t doubt they could do it.

            • April

              The Roots did a remake of Baby Huey’s “Hard Times” with John Legend a few years ago. OMG it’s perfection. There’s a live in studio version of it on youtube that I’ve watched at least a hundred times. The songs “Compared to What” and “Shine” that they did together are also very good.

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Oops. I stand corrected!

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s an easy mistake to make, with two Jimmys on late night television.

  • Suzy
    • Couch_Incident

      I think they have to work their way through John Africa and MOVE first…

  • Vaquera

    Finally one of the late night guys have entered the fray: Conan O’Brien.
    https://twitter.com/conanobrien/status/583475018933211136

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Okay this one gave me bETE. holyshit that was funny.

      • What’s bETE? I hope it’s nothing serious. I googled it and still don’t get it.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          It’s basically a term that me and another Bunkeroo came up with a few days to represent all the lulz at the Bunker. (F5 for screenshot)

          • Oh cool! Thanks 😀

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Did you get your BETE for the day? Nite Dodo! : )

            • scottmercer

              And you guys could be The BETEls.

            • scottmercer

              (That’s a lower case letter L, not an uppercase I.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Hahaha! ; )

            • I sure did! Good nite, Wogsy!

          • Mockingbird

            Stealing this !!!!

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Funniest tweet today.

    • Straight Diet of Kerbango

      He used to goof on Battlefield Earth a lot.

  • Snippy_X
    • Baby

      Hi Snippy..I haven’t seen you in awhile.. Hello to Mr. Snippy xoox

      • Snippy_X

        Hi Baby, Mr. Snippy says hi back 😀 <3

  • MaxSpaceman

    G’night Bunkeroos from my kitteh ~

  • Hahaha!

    “The time is now people,” said Thetan Commander Tom Cruise of Scientology Zeta RTC Corps VIII. “Scientology is under attack by the Marcabian Implanter Forces of HBO.” https://otviiisgrrr8.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/thetan-commander-tom-cruise-the-time-is-now-people/

  • The new vid is up: Mike Rinder on Megyn Kelly, Kelly File/Mike Rinder on the fallout over HBO’s ‘Going Clear’

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4148337592001/mike-rinder-on-the-fallout-over-hbos-going-clear/?playlist_id=2694949842001#sp=show-clips

  • what’suppressive

    I had a thought after I watched Going Clear and it made me smile a mile. If only those foot bullet shooting clams had got their Tony Ortega’s mixed up and rocked up on the doorstep of his mother’s house. Not the jazz musician the other other Tony Ortega….. He’s a bad ass.

  • “The Church Of Scientology Responds To Going Clear” (spoof)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_Hx2Bexts

    • Missionary Kid

      I thought that was a real response, for about 30 seconds. It’s masterfully done.

    • Baby

      hahaha.. That is so good Dodo.. She’s perfect!

  • Missionary Kid

    I just got back from talking to a friend of mine who’s gay & in the entertainment industry. He said that Sunday night, his twitter feed just EXPLODED. He thought that someone in the industry had died because so many people were twittering.

    It turns out it was all about Going Clear. He also said that $cientology has pissed off a lot of people in Hollywood over the years, and this documentary has emboldened people to come out openly against it. He said he was totally amazed at all of the celebs who were tweeting about Going Clear.

    In the gay community, he said that Lance Bass was leading a lot of opinion in support of the documentary.

    He watched about the first of the documentary, but he’d had a long day and fell asleep. It definitely wasn’t Gibney’s fault that he did. He’ll be watching the rest of it soon.

  • madame duran

    Re: HuffPostLive clip
    The 2 lessons I got from Tony’s answer are this:

    1. FOCUS ON THE GROUP’S BEHAVIOURS.
    2. DON’T GET DISTRACTED BY NON-RELEVANT ISSUES.

    This is very good advice to always keep in mind when communicating about the abuses of Scientology. I understand and accept why he consciously refrains from using the “cult” word. That said, here’s my stance on the “C” word and why I choose to use it (I will try to be brief but I make no promises). But first, a little preamble.

    In all the time I’ve been reading, hearing, and learning about Scientology, I’ve generally observed that there are only two groups that take exception to the use of the word “cult” to describe it (well, there’s maybe a third…will
    clarify later). Among the general public, however, it’s not a big deal. The first group would be some professors
    within academia. These are people who spend their entire careers studying both old and “new religious movements”. From their professional standpoint, Scientology is merely a fascinating subject to pursue intellectually. It isn’t in their interest to make value judgements on these religions; the primary goal is to objectively examine them. “Cult” is a harsh word that denotes a negative bias; they would naturally stick with more neutral terms. The second group would be Scientologists. The “Church” of Scientology exerts a lot of effort trying to appear “respectable” and gain more mainstream status like the major world religions. So, obviously, it is highly sensitive about labelling and doesn’t appreciate being called a “cult” (and anyone who uses it is automatically a “bigot”). The third possible group would be the “all religions are cults/all religions are the same” crowd. There isn’t an objection to the use of the word “cult” because they feel it should be evenly applied across the board to all religious groups. Since they hold an opinion that “all religions are useless/stupid/corrupt/enslaving”, the “c” word neatly encapsulates that view. What the first two groups have in common is that they aren’t actively working towards bringing about CHANGE regarding the religious group’s harmful behaviours…at least “officially” (personal views/actions are another story). They have other overriding agendas or priorities that they want to push into the forefront. The third group may or may not be actively engaged in bringing about change but the temptation to sidetrack with questions of “But what about Mormonism? What about ISIS? What about the Roman Catholic Church?” often torpedoes the chief concern
    that Scientology critics should have…which is holding Scientology accountable. I’m not saying that
    academic discovery and questioning other abusive groups isn’t worthwhile. What I’m saying is that these other issues detract from the unified laser focus we need to FIGHT SCIENTOLOGY.

    I believe in the importance of effective communication. Whether I’m speaking to the academic, the cultist or the non-religious person, I’m willing to use whatever word they prefer to get my point across TO THEM. I’ll refer to Scientology as an “organization”, a “church” (with or without quotation marks), a “religion”, a “scam”—I really
    don’t care. I’m willing to show some degree of flexibility that their rigid minds seem unwilling to do…just whatever it takes to get someone over the petty hump that’s obstructing their sight of the main issue. I’m not interested in squabbling over the “cult vs. religion” debate. Save it for another time or place.

    In the mind of the average Joe on the street, “cult” means “bad group”. S/he isn’t caught up in the quagmire of word definition games like those residing in ivory towers and cult bubbles. They simply want to be informed about the dangers around them and the word “cult” immediately puts them on alert. People can usually tell the difference between a “good” religion and a “bad” cult because the focus is on a group’s HARMFUL EFFECTS (any group can inflict harm but bad groups tend to do it more often–almost exclusively). When I speak TO THEM, I will use the word “cult” to describe Scientology and they’ll quickly understand it is something to avoid.
    “Cult” conveys a whole lot more than “new religious movement” in the same way that “POISON” raises the alarm faster than “noxious substance”. I can tell you that the dominant word many were uttering after watching “Going Clear” was CULT. Is that non-politically correct? Too “black and white”? I dunno. Perhaps. All I know is that millions of eyes were opened WIDE to Scientology’s evilness this week.

    I also use the “c” word because a) it reflects what I truly feel and b) it annoys the heck out of Scientologists so much (ha ha ha…yeah, I’m mean).

    I view Scientology as a cult and not as an altruistic religion (I acknowledge it contains a belief system though). Whether anyone else here shares that perspective or not, I don’t really care. Feel free to agree or disagree with it. I’m not dwelling on that argument because IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE MAIN PURPOSES OF REVEALING AND STOPPING SCIENTOLOGY’S ABUSES.

    Damn. I wrote an essay that nobody will read.

    • Synthia Fagen

      Break up that first large paragraph for me and I’ll read it. I just cannot confront that wall of text. My brain is on scan mode.

      • madame duran

        I broke it up for you.

        • Synthia Fagen

          🙂 Thank you!

      • Baby

        You big baby..

        • Synthia Fagen

          So true! LOL. I can no longer read. I think the Internet has rewired my brain and I can only scan. It takes a real concerted effort to completely read anything! Damn, I am ADD on steroids.

          • Baby

            Oh Syn..I just got New Glasses today and didn’t realize that I needed them so badly until I almost fainted looking at my ” New Wrinkles” that have come up in the last 3 years..sigh

            I agree.. I will read and reread because I wasn’t paying attention..( Gee my floor is dirty..gets out vacuum ..pets dog..gets diet coke..” Now where was I? ” ugh

    • Baby

      I read it madame.. Very well thought out.. Kudos..

    • I red and like your essay. Thank you for writing it.
      With that said, Tony’s point/segment was perfect.

    • Synthia Fagen

      I could not agree more. I would have written everything you’ve said here myself (but not as well). Excellent.

  • Baby

    I took my weekly browse over to Milestone2.. Thought you would appreciate this post on Going Clear.. The comments are a Must read..

    Kool Aid drinking deep..

    https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/prisoners-of-belief/

    • Couch_Incident

      Wherein they travel to Egypt and cruise on De Nial.

      • Baby

        Hahahahah.. Yep I took a bullet for you guys..ugh

        • ObsessedReader

          Thank you, I just can’t do it. It’s a horrible place to go.

          • Baby

            It is.. I’m always afraid I’ll get lost and can’t find my way back..but I always leave bread crumbs and pray the birdies don’t take them.

            • ObsessedReader

              Yikes. Don’t worry, I’ll send my dogs in to save you! (well we don’t want both of us to get trapped in there) 🙂

            • Baby

              Yay..it’s a deal..although I may keep the dogs..ha

            • ObsessedReader

              Ha! No ogling the rescue pups or we’ll leave you in there, Missy! 😉
              You would love them (everyone wants to keep them!) but their big butts would squish your sweet little fluffi-pups on the couch.

            • Baby

              hahahhaha awwwww…I miss my big doggies I used to have..these little yappers..

              well let’s just say Thank God they are cute.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I see Theo’s in there…

      • Baby

        Always.. ; /

        • Scream Nevermore

          For all that they claim to be out of the chult, mentally, they are still in there, kissing Flabtard butt, bathing in the Kool Aid.

          • Baby

            Yep.. I can see them salutin the Old Man from here.. PUKE

    • nukethevolcano

      I hear Static on my radio sometimes.

      • Baby

        I swear to God I want to bleach my eyes..

        • Scream Nevermore

          I want to bleach my entire body!

          • Baby

            hahahha.. OMG.. cute.. Ain’t dat da truth

        • Mockingbird

          From.reading a milestone two post ! I hate to tell you , but I heard there may be a hundred thousand indies out there so there is going to be a lot more where that came from !!!

          • Baby

            Oh I know Mockingbird.. Have followed them for a long time..it makes me so sad that the Mind fuck is ongoing .

            I see the indie movement as a Half way house.. sigh.. as a temporary measure.. Wham, Bam Thank you Mam..

            • Mockingbird

              Unfortunately I talk to some of the indies and they are refusing to look at anything not labeled Hubbard or whatever combo of Hubbard and other stuff they use .

              Some of these guys have been SP declared since 82 and can read anything online and still will never stop trying to perfect auditing to get OT powers . It is truly sad .

          • pluvo

            “a hundred thousand indies” ?
            No way! The “Indie 500” list didn’t even make it to 500 – and many of that list are not “Indies” anymore (speaking from experience). There is also the “Freezone” – but never that much.

            • Baby

              I thought Mockingbird was exaggerating.. I agree pluvo.. closer to 500 and dwindling ..

            • Mockingbird

              I just relayed a number a long time critic gave me – if it is off I accept that but I did not alter the info .

            • Mockingbird

              I think the indies number I got is supposed to include all the freezoners and even offshoots who do not use the words Dianetics or Scientology or even know Hubbard made what they use . It may have been a high estimate but there may be more outside the main cult using Hubbard’s methods now than in .

              It is stuff with all kinds of names and practices and includes folks who left or got declared from the 50s on til now . I have not confirmed that number as I am not going to walk to all those houses to ask .

    • RBE

      My brain hurts from the stupidz.

      Two-dimensional worms really don’t get other dimensions. They seem to be prisoners of their own belief there just can’t be anything else than what they think they are, a “two -dimensional worm” holding on with white knuckles to that beingness.

      Pot, kettle.

      • Baby

        [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4025mr7.gif

        Please pour me some Kool Aid RBE.. I got a wormy taste in my mouth.. BLEH

        • RBE

          To quote one of my favourite science popularisers, Lawrence Krauss

          The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not.

          • Baby

            OHhh…I like that..

    • Mockingbird

      I wrote a piece on my blog called PISSED it’s not your fault !!! about behaviors Hubbard implants in Scientologists and there is a list of fourteen fallacies Scientologists usually commit frequently – and I am sorry to say many indies and exes do as well .

      One fallacy is the genetic – a variation of ad hominem – in which a claim is never examined based on the source . A claim is not invalidated in truth based on who presents it .

      Another is appeal to authority . This includes automatically accepting a claim based on who said it . In Scientology you get a double dose for confirmation bias . The Scientologist sees Hubbard as infallible and also themself as this article at milestone two shows better than I could with a parody .

      I am now going to have to write a post detailing those fourteen fallacies for any who dare read it . To be honest Hubbard used hundreds more , but fourteen is a good start . If people learn how to spot those they can take apart some of Hubbard’s lies and hopefully study logic and critical thinking on their own .

      You know , by making a decision with their own minds !!!

    • This is what Scientology’s does to people.

      • Mockingbird

        It makes them narcissistic and overconfident and implants thousands of commands that replace critical thinking and independent judgment . They live in hypnotic trances with the critical factor disabled . Hubbard’s idea replace free will and thought . Mental slavery is the norm . In technical terms they are mindfucked . It is not pleasant ,take my word for it .

    • Missionary Kid

      Like many fundamentalist groups, they have broken away from the institutional group and claim that they are the only true followers of a founder.

      They obviously see themselves as the only true followers of LRH, and everyone else just doesn’t understand or isn’t following the tech correctly.

      The positive aspect of their beliefs is that financially, they don’t appear, at least on the surface, to have the rapaciousness and greed that LRH embedded in $cientology.

      The negative aspect is that they are caught in a loop of mental masturbation in following, to grab some adjectives from Mockingbird, “narcissistic and overconfident” aspects of a criminal mind who “mocked up” everything.

  • Chris Shelton http://mncriticalthinking.com/2015/04/01/video-goingclear-alex-gibney-clears-the-world-of-scientology/ has a new helpful video up, for anyone who missed it:

    #GoingClear: Alex Gibney Clears the World of Scientology

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=833tQKFpl7o

  • Mockingbird

    Well , I greatly admire Tony Ortega’s work and see his blog as head and shoulders above anyone else for professional journalism regarding Scientology…BUT I am one million percent in the cults are not religions camp . AND calling Scientology a religion helps the cult hide behind a lie . I say that Margaret Singer defined a cult as a group that tries to take over all or nearly all the decision making in a member’s life . Also Lifton , Hassan and Atack I believe would support me on this . And there is info on this in totalistic identity theory and traumatic narcissism and tests done that clearly support the pattern of certain groups in molding ALL members personalities into one type – the leader or founder’s personality via mental cloning . This is not just my opinion or a metaphor – there is research by people using scientific method and testing and these people have more degrees than a thermometer . I never let the religion lie slide . It is a complete reversal of truth and red herring that allows the cult carte blanche to piggyback more fallacies on – like the bigot claim and the absurd “we are being persecuted exactly like the Jews were by the Nazis ” lie . It is a rhetorical three for one – first it says Scientologists are innocent people minding there own business – which they are not . Second it claims the enemies of Scientology are hate fueled and pure eviland criminals who cannot be trusted and must be stopped . All untrue . Third it claims Scientology is a natural enemy of anything Nazi like when Scientology is actually based heavily on repackaged Nazism .

    By giving in on this one vital point , you open the door wide to Hubbard’s lies and many never find their way past this point as they confuse cult methodology, thought reform and totalistic domination and dehumanization with freely chosen non coercive religious faith .

    I deeply admire Tony Ortega’s work and am one of his biggest supporters but on this point we are worlds apart .

    • Baby

      I agree Mockingbird.. Tony has always called it a Church.. and I have always called it a cult as have many others.

      I do use ” Chirch” or ” Chult” at times..but my go to word is cult. I’m not going to change it, but you know that’s OK.. As long as we are fighting on the same team as Tony.

      • Mockingbird

        Urgh ! By calling the cult a church he gives them a huge win every time – Hubbard knew this and it is right out of Orwell’s work on using language to mold thought . Hubbard wrote a PL on propoganda by redefinition of terms that is exactly followed by calling Sciemtology a church .

        A PR win for the cult as it confuses most people , and they withdraw from the confusion . Another win for the cult .

        • Baby

          I understand what you are saying Mockingbird.. absolutely.. Tony has pretty much made his statement on the way he feels about the word/words.

        • Billy Bob

          If you focus on what Co$ believes you lose. If you ad hom them by calling them a cult, you lose. Religious bigot, they cry. If you present evidence of crimes, they can only deny and they lose. This is a war of public opinion and Mr. Ortega has sharpened his approach to avoid letting Co$ have any wins in that arena. He presents the belief system and behaviors and lets the readers label this crazy cult.

        • nukethevolcano

          I have to agree. Its odd when someone who writes for a living fails to understand that words have power.

          • 1subgenius

            Oh, he certainly understands the power of words. And he has explained why he does and does not use certain terms.

            The use of language is not only to convey information related to a given set of combinations of letters, but there is a meta-message, that is to say, the very purpose or ultimate goal to be achieved by using them.

        • 1subgenius

          There is a lot of validity to what you say, however it is not the entire story.

          A battle is not the war.

        • pixie dust

          Mbird- I agree with you about Scientology being a cult. I think Singer, Hassan, Atack have it right with research to back it up.
          However, both Scientology and cult/thought control are complex subjects and you can easily get lost in the weeds with people who are new to them. I think most of us have experienced the eye glazing effect it can cause when trying to explain either one. Add to that the knee-jerk reaction most have in thinking it could never happen to them.
          Can you imagine Tony trying to do this with just minutes of air time? I think in those formats it’s more effective to hammer the abuses that are being committed and calling it a church (even though it’s not) makes what they’re doing look worse to the uninitiated.
          I’m hopeful that getting people to pay attention to what Scientology is doing will lead people to the fundamental conversation of cults and thought reform. It certainly did for us.

          • Mockingbird

            I would initially say a cult can be any kind of group with any beliefs and what makes it a cult is taking over all or nearly all of a member’s decision making covertly . It is essentially a very controlling abusive relationship spread out over a group where members are made covertly to take on the identity of the leader or founder .

            Two sentences to get to the heart of it .

            You have to pick your battles and Tony may see the cult definition as a red herring that can be used to tie him up endlessly . To me it is not and I will not let it become one , but I am not on TV and can write as much as I like .

    • 0tessa

      I agree with you. Though I would go even further: it’s not even a cult, though it has aspects of this.
      For me it is a criminal enterprise, like a maffia group. It offers ‘protection’ (in the form of super powers and eternal life) while using menacing and coercive tactics when victims don’t comply. Not to speak of the ‘omerta’ oath.
      Miscavige c.s. are nothing but a bunch of gangsters.

      • Mockingbird

        A cult that commits crimes is a cult . All cults commit crimes against their own members via abuse and totalism . It really is a group that functions as an extremely abusive relationship would with a power holder/abuser/master and victims/slaves . You are correct in that it also commits crimes too .

      • Baby

        Otessa.. I say criminal organization also.. Mafia 100% ..

        • 0tessa

          Religious Maffia …

          • Baby

            Yep..

          • 1subgenius

            Well, you’d need a really long list to completely describe the “Church” of Scientology.
            So we tend to describe a set of attributes that is relevant to the discussion at hand.

      • 1subgenius

        Things can be labelled many different ways depending on what aspect you are then considering.
        A (real) church may also be termed or described as an “organization” or an “enterprise”, etc.
        All these words also have different meanings to different people.
        Cult, religion, church, criminal organization, etc. ……something may have aspects of any or all of these.
        It’s a wonder we can communicate at all.

    • The problem is – there is a very thin line between religions and cults, if any. Burn after reading.

      • Mockingbird

        I disagree – totalism is not orthodox religion . The beliefs are not the issue – the extreme abusive relationship demanding identity contol which becomes identity replacement is what makes a cult a cult . They are miles apart . This is not just my opinion I can give mountains of strong supporting evidence . This subject has been thoroughly researched .

        • Every religion must be taxed, imo. That’s all.

          • Baby

            Oh hell yes! I have believed that for years..

    • 1subgenius

      “AND calling Scientology a religion helps the cult hide behind a lie ”

      I agree.
      Here’s a solution we all can agree on (ha ha ha).
      Refer to it as the “so-called Church of Scientology”, “self-styled ‘Church’ of Scientology”, or similar terms.
      I like Jens “criminal organization masquerading as a church”….type names but a bit unwieldy often.
      I often will use: the “Church” of Scientology. Verbally I use air quotes.
      Yes, anyone can call themselves anything, and others have the right and duty to correct the record.

      • Ella Raitch

        I saw ‘church-themed or ‘religion-themed’ business the other day which I quite liked (although Id use scam rather than business).

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, ultimately there are many different ways to describe things, and all of them are ultimately inadequate.

          Tony gave his reasons for using, and not using different terms, and they are completely valid. Others have different reasons for using different terms.

          At the end of the day, as long as we have some idea of what we are discussing, it doesn’t matter.

  • Revoke Scientology’s tax exempt status” petition to White House.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

    I just voted. It probably won’t change much, but who knows.
    Took me about 60 seconds. Please add your vote. Thank you.

    Eta: 9,908 signatures so far. Almost twice more then the last time.

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  • Jack99

    Finally saw the film! Not completely legally, I must admit, since I don’t have HBO. It’s a very powerful film. But if you’ve read the book and seen the youtube clips, it’s not shocking. I almost wish there was an amnesia pill that worked for two hours so I could have seen it with a fresh mind. There are things you miss, like the Lisa McPherson and Paulette Cooper stories, but both of those deserve their own documentaries, not five minutes squeezed in. Best parts were the Mike Rinder free/in the hole juxtaposed images and the Sara Goldberg story, wisely put in as the emotional punch in the end. Least favourite: the images of Miscavige looking evil in slow motion; it seemd a bit cheap and the film would have made its point without them.

    • Baby

      “the images of Miscavige looking evil in slow motion”
      ……………………………..
      Jack..that was one of my favorite parts.. He is EVIL in slow, fast or in between motion.

      • Jack99

        Ha ha. I guess… But that was the part of the film looking most like the propaganda the church claims it is.

        • Baby

          I ack you ( tee hee)

  • 1subgenius

    Did the discussion ever turn to whether to use the “b” word?
    Brainwashing.
    See, “Cult” , while I believe accurate, is not fully descriptive.
    Mind-control cult is my overall shorthand for the criminal organization known as “the Church of Scientology”.
    Without touching on mind control it cannot be understood.

    • pluvo

      My favorite is to compare it to Orwell’s “1984”. I really liked it when “TheHoleDoesNot Exist” switched to the “Big Brother” avatar.

  • Baby

    Lisa Marie.. thinking of you and we know that you watched the Documentary! We are proud of you for leaving..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6kQmZ3L2Q

    • Mark Foster

      Howdy, Baby 🙂

      • Baby

        Well..Mr Foster..I never know when you are going to show up ! Always good to see you ; D

        • Mark Foster

          And I´m out-again. Hugs for you and Mr. Baby(hope that doesn´t freak him out!)

          • Baby

            Hahahhaa.. he will love it.. xo

    • 1subgenius

      She’s a badass.

      • Baby

        She really is.. I love her throaty voice..

        • 1subgenius

          I’m sure Elvis would be quite pleased. She is one hell of a badass rocking babe, and it is a goddamn great thing that she is out.

          • Baby

            Oh you just know it..

    • pluvo

      She is expressing the feeling with the deep melancholy I had when I left so well – also with “You Ain’t Seen Nothin’ Yet”.

      • Baby

        So Haunting.. Pluvo.. Glad you got out.. so glad.

  • Baby

    Come on now.. We’re waiting for you..

  • 1subgenius

    It should be kept in mind that words are made up of letters. Letters represent mouth sounds. Somehow combinations of various mouth sounds have come to represent things and ideas. There is not complete agreement as to what these ideas and things are.

    • Words are letters? Good one. Almost tricked me. Words are Internet.

    • Jack99

      Hklfkl hjgndmo hjkdlm zhe qqhqdjk wqzzk hjrrrrh pmmxq qxz

      • 1subgenius

        That’s easy for you to say.

        • Jack99

          Not really. Broke my tongue.

          • 1subgenius

            See, these mouth sounds, represented by letters, which eventually represent things and ideas, when transferred to writing, do not convey all of the nuances inherent in the mouth sounds themselves.

            Like sarcasm.

            • Jack99

              My brain hurts.

            • Baby

              And then the words make sentences..and then paragraphs and stuff?

      • 1subgenius

        – …. .- – .—-. … / . .- … -.– / ..-. — .-. / -.– — ..- / – — / … .- -.–

        • Baby

          What in the hell?

          • 1subgenius

            I forget who, but somebody posted this recently, and it’s very cool:
            http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html

            • Baby

              .. / .-.. — …- . / -… . .. -. –. / — -. / – …. . / -… ..- -. -.- . .-. / .– .. – …. / -.– — ..- / … ..- -… .-.-.-

            • 1subgenius

              .- .. -. – / – …. .. … / -.-. — — .-..

        • Jack99

          You’re not saying SOS. That’s about what I know. But there are 3 O’s?

    • Baby

      I did NOT know that words are made up of letters.. Dayam.. Ya learn something everyday

      • 1subgenius

        Smart ass. I was merely trying to point out the obvious, but most often ignored the fact that all of this is just code, and I’m continually amazed that somehow these weird noises we make with our pie holes have greater meaning.

        • Baby

          You are on fire this morning Mr. ( hahhaha I WAS being a smart ass..)

          • 1subgenius

            Smartass is your default setting.

            • Baby

              Heh I got to stay on my tip toes..I’m short

  • 1subgenius

    Just so you know, along with my coffee I am having some of the world’s greatest baklava. Another one of the perks of living near one of the largest concentrations of people of middle eastern descent in the world.

    • Baby

      OHHHHHH yummy.. I remember those days.. but guess what I’m eating? A fabulous Cuban cookie from the Cuban bakery.. I always get my Cuban sandwiches there.. OMG To die for..

      • 1subgenius

        You just had to top me didn’t you?

        • Baby

          OHHH you smooth talkin devil you.. Let me finish my cookie..

          • 1subgenius

            What flavor is it?

            • Baby

              It’s a sugar spicey thing.. ( sweet spice) We are such foodies..ha

    • Baby

      Chaldean bakery?

      • 1subgenius

        I don’t know:
        Sajouna Bakery
        13112 Ford Rd.
        Dearborn, MI 48126

    • NOLAGirl

      JEALOUS!!

      I’d hate it if I didn’t already love you so much. 🙂

    • Phil McKraken

      You live in Cairo?

      • 1subgenius

        No, but I’ve been there.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo,_Illinois

        As a matter of fact I had to jump into the Mississippi and pull our boat to shore, almost by the skin of my teeth when it ran out of gas.

  • Oh shit, it’s Thursday!

    • pluvo

      Hi Dodo!

    • Scream Nevermore

      Yup!

    • hansje brinker

      Shoot my stats.

    • Missionary Kid

      All day.

  • Baby

    Hey..Hey.. I told you NOT to be messin with the Kool Aid..

    • NOLAGirl

      Awwww cuteness!!! 🙂

      • Baby

        It looks my little guy..Teddy Bear..

    • 1subgenius

      “But, but, I didn’t do it!”

  • SciWatcher

    Fellow Bunkerites: if you want to have some fun, there is a “church” press release about how they help with human rights here: http://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/15/04/p5377814/freewinds-teams-up-with-youth-for-human-rights-and-unesco-for-human-rig

    And there’s a comment section! Never seen one of those on their press releases before.

    Also, they call the freewinds a “Motor Vessel”

    • Baby

      It’s got Disqus… thanks Sci..commented..

      • what’suppressive

        Me too. Now we trollin’.

        • Baby

          hahaha.. Yes we are..Never thought of it that way.. We make good trolls..

    • 1subgenius

      “Motor vessel”, is a term of art in the maritime industry, and is probably accurate.

      It is represented by the use of the letters MV before the ship’s name.

      There are other classifications as well, such as steamship, etc., also represented by the use of various initials before the name of the ship.

      • Baby

        sub..you are just a plethora of knowledge today..I am quite impressed.

        • 1subgenius

          And I have the strength of 10 ordinary human beings.

          • Baby

            47x

      • NOLAGirl

        Like Britain where I think the military ships all begin with H.M.S. (Her Majestys Ship) I think? Correct me if I’m wrong 1sub, I’m not fully caffeinated yet.

        • Scream Nevermore

          You are correct, despite the lack of caffeine!

          • NOLAGirl

            That’s rare. LOL 😀 Thank you SN.

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, and in the commercial industry all of those initials generally refer to the type of vessel that it is.

          • NOLAGirl

            I see that all the time around around here. Not to mention if you’d ever see the paperwork from husbands shop….M/V here…M/V there…yada, yada, yada. 😀

            • 1subgenius
            • NOLAGirl

              Thanks. I’m keeping this one for future reference. 🙂

            • 1subgenius

              You will see a lot of this down there:
              FV Fishing Vessel

            • NOLAGirl

              That and a lot of OSV. (Offshore Supply Vessel)

            • 1subgenius

              And a lot of, if not most, of those big oil rigs are actually classified as ships. I don’t know the prefix for them. They are ships because they are sailed out to that location, and actually can be relocated when necessary.

            • Scream Nevermore

              I remember TLPs and FPSOs from my time in Energy…

            • NOLAGirl

              We have those, the jack-up barges, the platforms that are there to stay and every ship that comes and goes from them to support them with supplies, etc. My hubby works on the generators for all of them. So I’ve seen many of the abbreviations, but he saw over my shoulder the page you linked me and said “I want to see that again when I get home later” 🙂

            • 1subgenius

              We should hook up, because I do work for a maritime law firm. It sounds like your husband may come into contact with people who might need legal assistance at times. Tia, Hole, Dee, iBetty and others have my email. Or you can see if Tony will give it to you.

              I can send you some really sweet swag.

            • NOLAGirl

              smithfamilyla@hotmail.com

              Tag it with your screenname here so I know it’s you. (((((hugs)))))

            • 1subgenius

              done

            • NOLAGirl

              Now that you have it, I’m editing it out. ; )

            • NOLAGirl

              P.S. Hubby would love the swag. 😀 He’d probably have some he could send back to you. ; )

            • 1subgenius

              It’s really some badass stuff. I gave Tony some but so far I haven’t seen a picture of him wearing it.

      • pluvo

        Correct.

      • SciWatcher

        Oh, haha, it sounds so antiquated!

    • Baby

      Sci..will you post this on today’s post.. we need more comments..thanks baby

      • bromo

        comment done. you are right baby, it needs more.

      • pluvo

        Done! Their hypocrisy regarding “human rights” and luring young people in with this, is really pissing me off. My comment over there:

        “The Church of Scientology is very hypocritical. They should firstly apply the “Human Rights”
        in their own organization. They are misusing young people and their goodwill for their fake “Human Rights” campaigns. If one googles “Scientology abuses and violence” or “Scientology disconnection” one can see their (real) atitudes regarding human rights.

        Especially in the Church of Scientology’s “RPF” (‘Rehabilitation’ Project Force) – their prison camp (see also “The Hole”) – there are many violations of human rights. Their cruel disconnection and internal ‘justice’ policies and system are inhumane.

        I was staff on the Freewinds for many years. After I said I wanted to leave, I was detained on the ship for more than a year till I got ”released” (all the time having to do manual labor without even one day off). Before I could leave I was coerced to sign a “non-disclosure agreement”, among others never to speak out about what I had experienced and seen.

        If one reads or sees the videos of the many reports from former members of the Church of Scientology, one can easily see that the Church of Scientology is regularly in violation of (at least) these articles of “The Universal Declaration of Human Rights”:

        Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

        Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

        Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave
        trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

        Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

        Article 9. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

        Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    • 1subgenius
  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    In short, the word cult today I take it to be similar to the use of the word quack and crank.

    Not technical terms, but public terms of strong rejection when used, and the public have need for these words to express their feelings.

    If Scientology wishes to lose that disagreeable label, then they could do it in a week, in a day, in fact.

    If the high visibility Scientology celebrities set up the “Hollywood Scientology Celebrity Soup Kitchen/All Impoverished and in Need Welcome” and dish out meals once a week in a friendly space to the needy, and do it week in week out, from now on, with their own donated money setting it all up, that would be PR game changing. (Or get lots of celebs involved, like get Jay Leno to outfit some roach coaches, and have random free meals to the needy roam LA randomly, with Scientology celebs on board doing some meal delivery duties.)

    Scientology genuinely just needs to immediately do something good for the NON Scientologists needy, in a routine, big way, and have their celebrities donate their money and time, and just do it.

    Tom Cruise and John T and Kirstie Alley, just need to set up a Hollywood Celebrity Weekly free meal.

    It’d be way more effective at repairing Scientology’s image than anything, and could be done in a split second!
    But they’d have to keep it up! Be consistently helpful to the needy, put their money BACK to helping those in need, like other religions, really openly.

    GIve back all their wealth to help in traditional church like ways.

    • I guess it’s never too late. This whole thing is THE biggest PR flap, imo.

    • 1subgenius

      “Tom Cruise and John T and Kirstie Alley, just need to set up a Hollywood Celebrity Weekly free meal.

      It’d be way more effective at repairing Scientology’s image than anything, and could be done in a split second!
      But they’d have to keep it up! Be consistently helpful to the needy, put their money BACK to helping those in need, like other religions, really openly.

      GIve back all their wealth to help in traditional church like ways.”

      They all could so totally redeem themselves by doing something like this.

      People can be very forgiving, and something like this is about the only way they can salvage themselves from the coming shit storm

    • 1subgenius

      This would be their amends.

    • Baby

      Shhhhhhhhh .. don’t give them any ideas.. they’ll still carry on behind the scenes..

  • Ella Raitch

    Ran @kirstiealley through the twitter fakers dashboard that Mike posted about yesterday. No idea what the algorithm is, but I amused myself:

    • Jack99

      Are you gonna tweet it to Kirstie?

    • Baby

      hahahahah.. Ella..that is funny..

    • Jack99

      What’s 28% of 1,25 million? It’s still too many. One of her latest

      Kirstie Alley @kirstiealley · 4 hrs 4 hours ago
      Never under estimate the human spirit. It has endured being fed to lions, gas chambers, Crusades, inquisitions, & crucifixions. Yet we RISE

      She’s comparing herself to Christians being persecuted by Romans now. Oh yeah, and Jews.

      • NOLAGirl

        *gag*

        I really, really, really don’t like this persecution card. Coming from a rich bitch sitting comfortably in her fancy house, it’s even worse.

        Bitch, you’ve never been “persecuted”…..dumb ass.

        • Jack99

          Also, Krusty, underestimate is one word.

          • NOLAGirl

            Don’t get me started on that. As a southerner I’m known to mangle language from time to time, but I am not a super-magical OT who claims to know it all either. 🙂

      • Captain MustSavage

        Well hot air does rise.

      • Captain MustSavage

        …other things the human spirit has endured that Kirstie left out of her tweet: being over boarded, locked in chain lockers, removing asbestos without protective gear, 7days a week work week, forced abortions, forced separation from parents, friends and family, being followed by PI’s, framed for bomb threats, your bank accounts being hacked, being assaulted by your boss, having to stand in a rubbish bin while water is thrown over you and you’re called a lesbian, being locked in a room without food or water for 17 days, being left to lie in wet nappies for hours on end…

        The scary thing is I wasn’t even trying.

        • Snuzey

          Hmm maybe I could let her know that. I’m sure to get blocked if I inform her of those other things that humans rise above…

        • Mymy88

          Please forward that list to the attention of: United States Congressional Hearings Department.

      • Sid

        “Never underestimate the human spirit. It has endured being fed rice and beans slop, the Hole, RPF, and beatings. Yet Exes RISE.”

        • Mymy88

          Sid wrote: “Never underestimate the human spirit. It has endured being fed rice and beans slop, the Hole, RPF, and beatings.”

          Aaaaaaand saluting Beagles in yellow corded faux military uniforms.

          In what universe other than $cien would the above statement make perfect sense?

          I know… the same one that this does:

          The answers to life can be found in the lawn-mower wheel in the mailbox with pieces of tape stuck to it.

      • Mymy88

        Sir! Permission to projectile vomit at this time? Thank You Sir!

        BBlllBBBlaarrghgghacac~~-..

    • RBE

      This is a report I did from a couple of years ago for @cchruk , the UK branch of the front group. I did some analysis that showed that the majority of the followers were created by an enterprising fellow that probably sold the followers for less than $100. (refresh)

      • Graham

        5 500 real followers is surprisingly good, considering there are only about 2 500 Scientologists in the UK.

        • RBE

          The tactic they use is to follow people that are unsuspecting of them being a scientology front group. I mean it says human rights in the title, so it cannot be all bad, right?

    • RBE

      In fact, the situation is even worse today for CCHR UK, if you don’t have friends just buy them. (refresh)

      • what’suppressive

        What is true for you…..blah blah blah

      • Scream Nevermore

        I apparently have 7% fake friends – I wonder who they could be??

    • Snuzey

      I goaded the sh1t out of her yesterday, and i dont think she blocked me…. I’m quite hurt!

      .@kirstiealley u say u can handle the truth. I dare u to watch Going Clear. And then say it is lies.
      Watch it FIRST, or aren’t u allowed?
      .@kirstiealley Do U know OSA are panicking and doing everything they can to stop you watchingGoing Clear? They R watching U.
      .@kirstiealley at least only all your mates and ex mates are in it. It’s not like you’d be
      curious at all would it? Watch it first…
      .@kirstiealley you’ve reached OTVIII where are your superpowers? Watching a piddling film like
      Going Clear should be easy.
      .@kirstiealley come on kirstie youre cause over MEST now, what’s a little entheta? You can
      handle it, you said it! LRon won’t mind.
      .@kirstiealley you should pay an impromptu visit to the London CC while you’re here, see how
      BUSY it is… #impromptu

      What does a girl have to do?!

      • RBE

        I got blocked despite never interacting with her, obviously the company I keep 😉

        • Snuzey

          That’s quite impressive!

      • Scream Nevermore

        Keep going, she blocked me after a couple of months!

        • Snuzey

          Awesome! She’s just blocked me!!! Does she have lackeys reading her tweets or does she read them herself?! Result if she had to read them!!

  • Looks like Tony is finally getting some sleep.

    • Richard Grant

      He looked good on video. Maybe a little caffeinated — is that his characteristic state?

      • Baby

        He’s been running here and there lately.. I’m sure it has caught up with him. Caffeine? I am sure.

        • Richard Grant

          I was kinda wondering if he’s got that kind of energy level naturally, even without a coffee push. He’s crackling in that 60-second video.

          • Baby

            I think he is probably frustrated at the question..because he probably has answered it like 100x .. I’ve only been around him one time ( In person) and he was pretty chilled.

      • He is on the RPF schedule, but on his own will.

        • Robert Eckert

          That’s what they all say!

  • what’suppressive

    Some of my favourite Bunkeroonies here atm. I’m glad somebody saved my bean bag.

    • NOLAGirl

      The cat in your avi picture seems to be saying: “Right now, all I feel is calm, but at any many moment I could snap on you so, watch yourself.” Hehehe!! 🙂

      • what’suppressive

        Look closely. Kevin is on the bunker

        • Baby

          Oh suppressive..I love your avi..how cute..

          • what’suppressive

            Kevin was awesome. We found him a great home and his new bff is a Bull Mastiff. 3 more kittehs running amok here now

        • Juicer77

          If it’s not made for sits, why is it made of warms?

          • what’suppressive

            I don’t know that one.

            • Juicer77

              It’s a cat thing.

        • NOLAGirl

          He is! Does he have a preference? Narconon? the LRH tapes? Cat memes?

          • what’suppressive

            He really likes Hamtaro

            • NOLAGirl

              Who doesn’t? 🙂

  • Richard Grant

    Well here’s some interesting historical trivia. I’m reading up on the West German intelligence service, which was founded after WWII and known as the Gehlen Organization or — gulp — Gehlen Org. The author of the Wikipedia article likes the contracted form, so the article is full of sentences like:

    “The Org supplied the manpower while the CIA supplied the material needs for clandestine operations, including funding, cars and airplanes.”

    If you glanced at this on a page without knowing the context, you might think you’d landed on Milestone Two or something.

    • Bleuler

      The Gehlen Organization is a very interesting story, but nowhere near as evil as an Org.

      • Richard Grant

        All the bits I’ve read here and there over the years have been interesting, but they’ve tended to do with latter-day revelations, scandals, security failures and the like. I’m trying to get a better overall picture, to see where a couple of fictional characters might fit in.

        • Bleuler

          One thing i never quite understood to whom it refers is the telegram from CIA to BND after Felfes arrest “Glückwunsch — Ihr habt Euren Felfe entdeckt, wir unseren noch nicht.”. To which mole are they refering?

          • Robert Eckert

            There was always at least one KGB plant in the CIA throughout the Cold War; the KGB pretty much made monkeys of the CIA and the CIA knew. James Angleton of the counterintelligence caused a great deal of havoc with mole hunts. Aldrich Ames is the most famous mole who actually did end up eventually being caught.

  • The Four Strings of Mourning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnwnZbDpow8

  • Ella Raitch

    Watching going Clear Again – Mr Raitch’s response to thetans attaching to a newborns body – Fuck Off!

    • Andrew Robertson

      That’s unfair to body thetans. Just because they didn’t fill in their income tax returns correctly they ended up being murdered and their immortal souls transported to a prison planet.

      They’re just lonely and want company and with 75 million years of past lives make interesting companions.

      Andrew

  • Baby

    Let’s Kick Ass today Bunker.. Trolls may be out as Dodo said..” It’s Thursday..” Ignore them.. Don’t give them a forum ( The most noticeable ones) they are just trying to distract.

    I just say to them. ” I am employing ignore Tech.” and then I don’t respond. xo You guys mean a lot to me.. xo baby

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Don’t even say that – the worst thing for a commenter is paying no attention at all.

      • Richard Grant

        It’s frustrating, isn’t it? You want to jump in and say NO, DON’T FEED THE TROLL — but then you’re adding to the thread yourself.

      • 1subgenius

        I talk about them, not to them.

        • Richard Grant

          That’s a good practice, I think.

          • 1subgenius

            Kind of like: I’m laughing at you, not with you.

      • Baby

        Eivol.. I’m not following you… Oh I reread it.. the reason I do that is I don’t want them to think I didn’t read their garbage..but am ignoring it..

      • Baby

        Oh shit I can do very easily..

    • Juicer77

      Right back atcha!

    • shasha40

      We Love you , too , Baby ! Xoxo :-*

  • shasha40

    Mr.Ortega , I agree with you on the use of the word cult . I have been here to educate myself on the people Scientology harms and how .

    • Baby

      brown nose..( hahhaha Shasha I was just teasing you)

      • shasha40

        No need to say your teasing , I know you a little , Baby . Remember , I love, smoking , shit talking ,Baby the Best ! 😀

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

  • Captain MustSavage

    Got a real chuckle from the fact that point 28 in the Burgoon v Narconon complaint mentions aliens as part of scientologys belief system.

  • K Eastvold

    I’m devastated to see focus brought, once again, on the only thing I’ve ever been horrified by on the side opposing Scientology: declaring the word “cult” as “useless.” I was shocked to hear such a thing expressed, especially as one who has spent a large majority of her life (and lost nearly everything because of it) fighting another cult unrelated to Scientology. It is one thing to avoid using the term – I certainly choose the moments I do – but to declare it as “useless” is almost completely opposite of the truth. It’s like calling something “illegal” is useless. There may be many people who debate it and disagree with it, especially online, but the fact of the matter is that the large majority of the world does care and put a different weight on something when it’s called something like a cult. What other word would cause parents greater alarm upon hearing it when researching what their child is getting into at school? What other world could combat Scientology’s use of the word “church”? It alarms me that Tony Ortega uses the term “Church of Scientology” so much instead of just “Scientology” (esp when he’s the one pointing out that it doesn’t bear that weight in terms of the IRS), but at the same time literally encourages people to “not” use the term cult! I can’t tell you how much freedom I experienced when I finally realized I had once been part of and was now fighting against a real, true cult in my own life. It answered SO many questions for me, put SO much in perspective and freed me on so many levels to finally admit the trauma I had experienced… simply because I finally had a word – I finally had definition. There is power in the written word. There is power in language and definition. For a reporter to declare ANY word useless is atrocious, in my personal opinion, and I feel that focusing in on a word even Paul Haggis has used to describe what he was in as “useless” is, as I see it, a detriment to his reputation, his honor, his work and the people he fights for. By all means, avoid using it in your writing. Avoid using it to comment. Answer the question that was posed by saying, “You know, I don’t always use it because I work online and online forums love to debate the definition of it, which only draws attention away from the point I was trying to make that day.” Don’t eliminate it as a tool for the rest of the world – don’t use your clout to actually check off a “win” for Scientology, because I gotta say – right? – that this is the one thing Scientology would cheer you on for doing.

    Love all of your other words and work, but please, please reconsider phrasing the way you handle this particular subject. For the rest of us and for reality, please hear us out.