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Augustine: How Scientology changes its story to fit what it’s trying to get away with

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[David Miscavige, captain of a legal fiction]

 
Frequent contributor Jeffrey Augustine is back, and this time he digs into the way Scientology changes its story, depending on who it’s trying to threaten or hoodwink. Take it away, Jeff!

Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder recently reported that church lawyer Gary Soter had sent a threat letter to former Scientology executive Dan Koon.

The church had learned that Koon helped Ron Miscavige Sr., the father of Scientology leader David Miscavige, write his memoir, which is due to come out in 2016. In his letter, Soter informed Koon that by merely helping Ron write his book, he was in violation of nondisclosure agreements and bonds he had signed as a Scientology officer. Those documents Koon had signed carried heavy penalties for violating their terms, Soter claimed.

On March 12, 1980 you agreed to pay $5,000,000 in liquidated damages for “breach of security of the CMO INT or any units working under CMO INT. This would include anything heard with regards to work…”

Sea Org members make about $40 per week — when they’re paid at all — but Scientology expects its indentured servants to pay a $5,000,000 penalty for breaking the Sea Org’s rules. What really stood out, however, was something else Soter included in his letter. Can you spot it?

On May 12, 2000 you signed a “Declaration of Religious Commitment and Membership in the Sea Organization. Paragraph 8 of that Agreement states: “I agree to maintain the confidentiality of all communications…all documents, all files, all mailing lists and all other material not commonly offered to the public for sale or use…which may come into my knowledge or possession in the course of my services as a member of the Sea Organization…”

You might remember that we’ve pointed out before how David Miscavige’s attorney, Lamont Jefferson, has said in official court documents that the Sea Org has no legal standing and has no members. Here’s what Jefferson wrote in a filing in Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit against Miscavige…

Plaintiff asserts that Mr. Miscavige exercised control because he leads the Sea Organization, a religious order within Scientology. But the ‘Sea Org’ is not a corporate entity; it has no physical or legal existence. It is not incorporated or established pursuant to legal formalities. It has no constitution, charter or bylaws, and no formal or informal ecclesiastical, corporate, or other management structure. It has no directors, officers, managing agents, or other executives; no employees, staff members, or volunteers; no income; no disbursements, no bank accounts or other assets; no liabilities; no stationery; no office, home, address, or telephone number. It does not create or maintain any financial, personnel, or other records. It can neither give nor receive orders because it has no one to either give or receive them or to carry them out. It cannot sue or be sued.

What Jefferson told a Texas court aligns with what the Church told the IRS to get its tax exempt status in 1993:

Although there is no such “organization” as the Sea Organization, the term Sea Org has a colloquial usage which implies that there is. There are general recruitment posters and literature for “The Sea Org” which implies that people will be employed by the Sea Org when in reality they will join, making the billion year commitment, at some church that is staffed by Sea Org members and become employees of that church corporation.

So, while Scientology tells courts and governments that its Sea Org has no legal reality and no members, it tells Sea Org members like Dan Koon something very different.

But then again, Scientology isn’t even consistent in what it says in the courtroom. Here’s what another Scientology attorney, Bert Deixler, said in a court briefing in Laura DeCrescenzo’s forced-abortion lawsuit against the church…

“It is exclusively from the Sea Org that the senior leadership of Scientology is drawn.”

The Sea Org has no members. But Deixler told a California court that the senior leadership of Scientology is drawn “exclusively” from the Sea Org – a group that Mr. Jefferson told a Texas court can have no directors, officers, managing agents, executives, employees, staff members, or volunteers.

So, let’s review the scorecard…

— In order to keep David Miscavige out of a deposition in a Texas lawsuit, Scientology claims that the Sea Org does not exist and has no members. Sea Org members derive authority only from their posts in the Church of Scientology hierarchy.

— In order to threaten Dan Koon, Gary Soter asserts that the Sea Org and its contracts exist, that they are legally binding; and that they can serve as the basis of a lawsuit to collect $5,000,000 in liquidated damages.

— In order to claim First Amendment protection for its abusive treatment of employees, Bert Deixler said in Laura DeCrescenzo’s lawsuit that all of Scientology’s senior executives are drawn from its monastic order the Sea Org.

Deixler was unsparing on this point in defending the Sea Org’s policies, which include outrageous treatment of children, as Laura DeCrescenzo was. Deixler cited Higgins v. Maher (1989), a case which states that anyone who enters into employment as religious clergy forfeits the protection of the civil authorities:

The courts of this State have recognized that the ministerial exception bars judicial interference with discipline or administration by churches of their clergy…”In our society, jealous as it is of separation of church and state, one who enters the clergy forfeits the protection of the civil authorities in terms of job rights.”

As I wrote in a previous column, this “ministerial exception” is why Sea Org workers do not have to be paid minimum wage or overtime; why they can be locked up and brutalized in the Rehabilitation Project Force; and why they receive no pension after decades of service. Scientology has been able to subject its workforce to endless hours, sleep deprivation, unhealthful food and psychological terrorizing, and American courts have been reluctant to do anything about it.

The Church sees Sea Org members as “coins” that can be traded among Orgs and then kicked to the curb when they weaken from age or infirmity. The Sea Org euphemism for this cruelty is called “Fitness Boarding.” Old and sick Sea Org members are fitness boarded, given $500, and then shown the door.

Is what I am describing inaccurate? Is my language too strong? Not according to the words of Bert Deixler and the Church of Scientology in their filings opposing Laura DeCrescenzo’s lawsuit:

Even if an ecclesiastical decision appears harsh, humiliating, unfair, or irrational from a secular viewpoint, civil courts have no role to play…

The Church of Scientology’s justification for its humiliating and sadistic treatment of Sea Org workers is the First Amendment. However, when Captain David Miscavige of the Sea Org is at risk of being deposed, the Sea Org does not exist.

The Church of Scientology should not be able to have it both ways: A legally nonexistent entity cannot have First Amendment protections.

The late Earle Cooley, an attorney for the Church of Scientology, once caught someone the Church was suing in a contradiction during a deposition. Cooley calmly asked, “So which story are you sticking with?”

Thus, we turn Mr. Cooley’s question to David Miscavige and the Church of Scientology: Does the Sea Org exist or does it not exist?

Which story are you sticking with, Mr. Miscavige?

— Jeffrey Augustine

 
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Scientology facing bankruptcy in Norway

 
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The newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad is reporting this morning that Scientology is facing bankruptcy in Oslo, and used the occasion to produce the really nifty illustration of L. Ron Hubbard you see here. In fact, it’s an interactive graphic, and allows the newspaper’s readers to learn basic information about Scientology concepts as they mouse over Hubbard’s mug.

The reason for the story is that Scientology has changed locations in Oslo, and its old landlord, Panorama Group CEO Stig Bjarne Sandøy, says he’s going to have his former tenant declared bankrupt for stiffing him on nine months of rent, a total of 292,434 kroner.

Scientology’s new offices are located on the fourth floor of this building, seen in a photo taken by Adrian Nielsen…

 
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The newspaper quotes local Scientology spokesman Rasmus C. Lossius, who claims that local orgs have to come up with their own finances, and no help will be coming from the international church in America. “This is not good news and something we obviously wish we were well,” he said. (Of course, Scientology leader David Miscavige has shown that he will spend large sums through “IAS grants” when it suits him to prop up a far-flung org. But apparently Norway is not on his Christmas list or something.)

And you have to love this quote from Lossius, who is no Karin Pouw: “Scientology is financed by donations from our members and interested parties who believe in the applied religious philosophy that we work with. Now I encourage members and supporters to join and donate so we can clean up this as quickly as possible.”

 
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Chris Shelton begins an interview with Rachel Bernstein

Says Chris…

“I met Rachel Bernstein through a referral by Karen de la Carriere and I am so happy I did, as she is very knowledgeable and articulate about destructive cults and Scientology in particular. She has counseled over a thousand people through the exit/recovery process in leaving a cult behind and has a great deal of experience with Scientology practices and the harm it causes psychologically and emotionally. I thought interviewing her about this would be informative and helpful to anyone who has ever had anything to do with Scientology and would also help increase understanding for those never-ins who struggle to decipher why anyone would get involved with a destructive cult in the first place. This interview is the first of three parts. In the final part, we will cover the Fair Game tactics Scientology engaged in against Rachel directly when she first began her practice, but first we cover what destructive cults are all about and what can be done about them. I hope everyone gets as much out of this as I did.”

 
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FHCabanasBabywatch, day fifteen: Lisa McPherson in Room 174

On Sunday morning, December 3, 1995, Rita Boykin noted that Lisa McPherson had finally, after days and days, gotten some good, uninterrupted sleep.

The day before, Boykin and the other caretakers had noted a major change in Lisa. She could no longer stand on her own, and had become incontinent. And now, she fell into a long slumber.

When she awoke, at about 10 in the morning, Lisa was “very confused and combative,” Rita noted, adding that Lisa didn’t seem fully awake for another hour and a half. At that point, they pushed on her the usual regimen — valerian root capsules and other herbal tablets, Cal-Mag, and a protein shake.

Overnight, they had also managed to get Lisa to drink 6 ounces of water.

On Sunday afternoon, Lisa took a few ounces of orange juice and some Cal-Mag. She then slept soundly for about two and a half hours, with brief episodes of restlessness.

Rita noted that at one point during the day, she perceived that Lisa wanted to put on a sweater.

“I put it on her, and she thanked me,” Rita noted.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

It’s beginning to look a lot like an R6 implant at Flaaaaaaaag…

 
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Writing a success story in Bogotá!

 
SciColombia7

 
Hey, girl. Now that I’ve been to Flag, your withholds will be all mine.

 
SciFlag5

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 3, 2015 at 07:00

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  • 2theMax2

    If only the U.S.of A. could have a through-line, legally. And add up to a perfect storm, to cause some legal repercussions, aka havoc, on the legal, corporate, business entity that is $cientology. [ F5 ]

    Max Spaceman

  • Sunny

    I posted a little earlier that I think I will take a little break from here. I find it (fascinating? Unusual? Different?) that Lisa’s death has an effect on me. Being in the SO for so long, death was such an ignored subject.
    I am no good at writing or “tributes” per se, but I thought, before I take that break, I would like to take a moment to speak from the heart about some people that have crossed paths with myself, and many who passed away too soon. In most of these that I list, where I could, I have spoken to the surviving family members in hopes of giving them comfort. If anyone knew these people and would like to ask me about it, please feel free to do so.
    Sadly, I think this list is going to be long.
    Bob Shaffner – you were best friends with my step dad. For some reason you went out on your bike in the pouring rain and ended up under a city bus. Your daughter Cara misses you so.
    Uwe Stuckenbrock – You were my first major crush in the Sea Org. It was sad to see you over 10 years later on the RPF, unable to walk or do things on your own. I am sorry for the way you were treated after so many years of dedication in the Sea Org.
    Allen Hubbert – You were my auditor, my friend, and my minister for my wedding. I am sorry I lost the only picture that I had of you. I have searched everywhere and can’t find it. I know I had it after leaving the SO. I hope I find it someday.
    Carol Monroe – We shared many-a-chuckle outside CC over cigs. Rest in peace girl.
    John Mustard – You might as well have been my dad. Your passing hit me so hard and still does.
    Jeremy Kassowitz – I grew up with you. You taught us how to find all the nooks and crannies in all the buildings. All the kids had lots of hiding places because of you. (hiding from nannies)
    Jake Hopwood – Raised with you too. You gave us all tons of laughs on the RPF. And before that, at the Manor Hotel.
    Jill Graham – You taught me to see past anger. Thank you. Rest in peace.
    Brad Blair – Always smiling. I think your dad told me you found your way out of Scn before your passing. Luv you and your sis. I hope she wakes up someday and goes back to her dad.
    Natalie Ellis – I wish I could have done more for you. You were one of my nannies growing up. I was there until your last breath. I am sorry you did not see your son before you passed.
    Briggette Burke – You only lived one year but you blessed the hearts of many. (She was the only victim of the shooting in PTL by Godeka).
    Nosko – (sorry I do not recall your first name). Though you may not know for sure, I can tell you for sure that your husband Butch loved you very much. Rest in peace.
    Felicia Balentine – You were my step-grandma and we had some fun times as I was growing up. I am sorry your last days were in the Sea Org. I hope you have found peace.
    Erik Knauerhase – Another step-dad. You almost made my mom human. Almost. (no I won’t take that back)
    I hope I did not forget anyone. Those are the ones that I remember off the top of my head. (there are a few I left out for the privacy of their families).
    Lisa you are not forgotten. And these great people should not be forgotten either.

    • Sherbet

      Come back when you’re ready, Sunny. You’re carrying quite a burden and need a break.

    • Newiga

      I’m so sorry for your losses, Sunny. *hugs* I hope you came after taking a break.

      Peace & Love,
      Newi

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Damn, now I’m crying.

      Vaya con Dios, Sunny. We’ll leave the light on for you.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Now you have me crying too, Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn). Darn you!

      • Sunny

        Thank you to all of you for the kind words. It feels great to have them remembered.
        I am not “signing a billion year contract” kind of going away….
        just a couple of days….
        Keep ya britches on. ;p

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      (((((hugs)))))

    • Lucille Austero

      Be well, Sunny.

    • Juicer77

      Have a good break, Sunny. Thanks for sharing your memories.

    • Shanester

      Wow, Sunny, my heart goes out to you. As a Sea Org member, you were not allowed to grieve. I was a mere staff member, and I knew how illness, madness and death were treated by the Scientologists around me. Dismissively at best. Actively accusatory and judgmental at worst. When Paolo Lionni died of cancer — he of OTIII status — I was snidely told he was too PTS to make it through the Wall of Fire. I was thirteen years old at the time. I can only imagine how much worse and more intense it was for you.

      The Nosko you refer to was Maryjane Nosko. She was a sharp woman who nevertheless could demonstrate surprising kindness — if her stats were up. Her death was tragic and devastating. I couldn’t stand either of the Noskos, even if I found Maryjane to be less of a creep than her husband Butch, but I do know how Butch lost some of his vigor after her car accident. His hair rapidly began graying. The oddest thing was that I realized how short he was — something his once indominable spirit never allowed anyone to notice before.

      • Shanester

        Ugh, I just realized how mean-spirited my words about the Noskos sound. I’m sorry, Sunny. I greatly value your insights and memories. I know exactly what you mean about taking a break and encourage you to embrace your memories, your past, and the confusing tangle of emotions wrapped up in all of it.

        I’m sorry to intrude on your powerful and gentle words with my bitterness. It’s remarkable how we can have different relationships and memories of the same people. It never would have occurred to me to think of the Noskos in any other light than the abuse I believe I suffered at their hands. But your words prod me now to suddenly recall Maryjane’s laugh, sharp like bells on a cloudy day just before a breeze cleared the air. She was a powerful woman and could be a lot of fun. And Butch was an excellent sportsman and coach. Maryjane shouldn’t have been driving that icy night so many years ago. I wonder if things would have turned out differently if she were still alive.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I wrote and recorded a song for Jill at Mad Hatter Studios when it was still Chick’s studio. I had fun moments and Jill was in many of them. I’ve heard all about what happened to her after I left. She is one of my flowers in my memorial garden. My funniest memory is meeting her mom – this was after her actor dad had passed already – and her looking at the perplexed look on my face as we sat down at their dinner table – laid out like the king and queen were expected. I was so thirsty, but there so many glasses on the table, I didn’t know which was which. She made a joke about what happens to anyone who uses the wrong glass or fork – and it totally put me at ease.

      Until we finished up and almost walked into the living room – it was cordoned off, just like in a movie set! I peeked in and saw the plastic covers on the sofa and chairs. I don’t remember the joke she made then – I’m sure she had it down pat – but we were all choking up laughing so hard. Her brothers, one the Hollywood lawyer and the other Hollywood something or other, scriptwriter, I don’t remember – they were as solid as the table and stiff as the plastic furniture covers – hard to believe from the same family.

      It’s hard, I know, for those not in the Sea Org to understand that many of us stayed too long because of people like Jill (I knew her as Burkhardt) – hilarious, smart as a whip, compassionate and warm, hard working, creative, talented. These are the kind of souls we bonded with – and tried our best to ignore or avoid the lugheads and the rah rah hardasses. I don’t think there’s many of the Jill types left anymore. I can’t imagine being inside that hellhole today. I just hope Jill’s son breaks free of the madness. Do you have any pics? I had so few of that time, and lost most of mine due to hurricane a while back.

    • aquaclara

      These are some very special people you’ve shared with us, Sunny. Thank you. I wish we had a chance to know them, too. Now we share your loss so that you don’t have to carry this burden all by yourself. I’m sending you a big hug for love and strength. Come back when you’re ready.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Wow, that was heartbreaking, Sunny, but beautifully and honestly expressed. May everyone find the light one day, or at least some peace. Go rest your heart and your mind for a while. We’ll be here when you get back.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That’s the most beautiful tribute, Sunny. I don’t know what else to say. Love to you.

    • daisy

      Hugs – Sad but moving

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Sunny, I am sorry for your many losses of dear ones. I understand you needing to take a break. The court dates, the tell all books, those are fun stories. Lisa’s story, not at all. It is unbearable. A beautiful young woman killed in the prime of her life, by an evil cult that should have been shut down long ago.

    • Eclipse-girl

      very poignant

      (((HUGS)))

    • beauty for ashes

      Sunny, what I find beautiful about this is that one of the hallmarks of recovery from any kind of abuse is that you make proper boundaries around your heart. You have the courage and self esteem to say no, I can not do that, Or I feel this way and I am going to honor it with my actions. Or just I need a break.
      Just wanted to point that out where as part of you could say, Why can’t you just deal? Which is kind of the groupthink of Scio. Now you are allowing yourself to honor when your intuition says, ***This is tooo much*** Good job Girl! <3 <3 <3

    • JanInThePan

      Sunny, this is truly heartbreaking. There’s a saying in my community that says ‘What is remembered, lives’. All these names here will live thanks to your voice. Take all the time you need.

    • Ella Raitch

      Safe travels Sunny – of course we’d love to see you back when the time is right for you

    • Bernie

      Bless you!!

  • Nat-leficent

    Wait a minute . . . I’ve seen that Dorkberger before . . .
    F5

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/SciFlag5.jpg

    • Sherbet

      Ah, the Keeper of the Crayolas. And Grade One-one-ten, DONE!

    • Shanester

      He kind of looks like Steve Anderson, who I went to high school with at Delphi Oregon — except Steve Anderson would now be about 46 years old. Steve has donated like a million dollars to the IAS. There was a Sunday Funnies (or maybe Rindersblog Thursday Funnies) that showed Steve and his family getting a big trophy for their high status. (Made me feel sick — Steve was a good friend back then and it breaks my heart to see him still so fully engulfed in the cult.)

      Anyway, it just looks like him. Maybe it’s his kid or cousin or something.

      • Newiga

        Thanks for sharing this story, Shanester. A very poignant reminder that the Scientologists featured in the list of donations, pictures of staff, etc. used to be friend’s with some ex-members here at the Bunker. That’s why I try to avoid making fun of individuals Scientologists.. :-/

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          And if they happen to come by the Bunker looking for the truth, and they see themselves getting mocked, I’m sure they will see us for the evil WOG’s that they are told we are.

          • Nat-leficent

            Yes, yes, I’m personally responsible for people staying in their cult.

            • Shanester

              No, you’re okay Nat! “Mr. Dorkberger” is officially the good kind of mockery that we all need. Keep up the funny-but-sharp meme-spreading. We need more people with your fine-honed yet mostly gentle J&D skillz!

            • daisy

              You are why I stay in this one.

        • Nat-leficent

          Good for you.

          • Newiga

            I didn’t mean to say that your shoop was offensive or not funny. I hope didn’t think that, Nat <3

            Just pondering about the duality of joking about those still in and simultaniously feeling empathy for them and hoping they'll blow before it's too late.

        • Jimmy3

          They take it seriously as a very personal, religious rite. A sacrament, if you will. Yet they mark their completion sheets with bubble letters in highlighter. That’s the joke. This isn’t personal. It’s just funny.

        • Shanester

          Thanks, Newiga. But don’t be too concerned about a little J&D toward those still in. A small dose of mockery, carefully measured, can do wonders to a person self-aware enough to wonder how he or she could become the receiving end of such criticism.

          The Steve Anderson I knew, for example, would have laughed his ass off at being called Mr. Dorkberger. I can only hope some of that old Steve still remains and would wonder why his doppelganger is being mocked by SPs — wonder enough to begin looking for answers.

          But I do have to say that cruel mockery with obscene pictures or wild speculation — such as can appear from time to time from certain parties that I shall not name here — can indeed be destructive to our purposes of exposing the cult and helping its victims recover.

          But you, my dear Newiga, are certainly not one of those I find extreme in any way — quite the contrary! 🙂 😎

      • Mary

        Steve’s dad is the C/S on the ship and his mother is one of the Class 12 auditors at Flag. That says it all.

    • flyonthewall

      good catch!

    • B4you

      Mr. Dorkburger…. How nice!

  • visitor

    “…that mysterious arrangement of merciless logic for a futile purpose.”

    Today is Joseph Conrad’s birthday. In his heart of darkness could he have imagined the darkness of the heart of hubbard, miscavige and every single dwindling one of the remaining adherents of scientology?

    • Missionary Kid

      That quote is perfect for $cientology. Good one.

    • Science Doc

      Mistuh Kurtz- he dead.

  • Amy Forsythe

    Start of session:

    Auditor: OSA look at that wall.
    OSA: (looks at wall)
    Auditor: Thank you.
    Auditor: See the writing on the wall.
    OSA: (OSA sees the writing on the wall)

    Auditor: Thank you.
    Auditor: Get up from your desk, take whatever incriminating evidence you can and get the fuck out of here.
    OSA: (OSA gets up, takes some CDs and runs out the door)
    Auditor: Thank you.

  • Sunny Sands

    It’s been interesting to see Ron Miscavige’s projects the last few years, the Exer-genie exercise equipment, and 2 books he authored for sale on Amazon. He seems pretty creative, with no interest in slowing down for age. Can’t wait to read his book.

    • Cars

      Did you see this video of him playing the trumpet recently? He was at Arrivederci’s Wine & Jazz Bar in Milwaukie, 10/29/2015. It was posted by Shelly Britt on YouTube.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2qKuRjVJI

      • Techie

        Looks like Steve Cook on the bass, he looks a lot better then he did the last time I saw him in 2004.

        • Cars

          Glad to hear it. Everyone seems to look better, happier and healthier after they’ve left. I’m sure you do as well. In any case, that’s my wish for you, too.

  • One Who Cares
    • Observer

      Okay, that proves it–you’re not a Scientologist. They never keep their promises to come back!

      • Sherbet

        I thought I was the only one who’s extremely confused right now. Sunny Sands, you might want to recall your upvote. Strange goings-on here, beginning last night.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yeah, didn’t answer up on any of mine – including the Krall question, after I noticed what the avi was and the handle of @jazzlovet
          Better things to do today while multitasking and certainly better subjects –
          like Christmas cookies.

          • Sherbet

            Yup, I’ve made a couple of jokes, but I’m not falling into the same trap as last night. I’ve got a leisurely day here, and I’ve got vintage Sinatra playing, and am staying calm.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Sherb: “Good job rising above the crappola!”

              http://i.imgur.com/AiCy1dz.gifv

            • Sherbet

              Wow, stunning picture, TH.

            • daisy

              Ramen , gotta love Pan.

            • That’s not crapola, it’s our sun filter and AC unit.

            • daisy

              Hope pain not to bad in wrists,not worth aggravating it.

            • Sherbet

              No, it isn’t worth it. Wrist pain continues BTW. I’m mystifying various doctors as to why I’m still hurting.

            • daisy

              You don*t ever want to be a patient where other doctors want to see what*s up. Sorry to hear about continuing pain, it is exhausting . I hope they are trying an array of pain meds to control it. I assume you have tried physio too. I love it when you are here but really don*t aggravate it.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks, daisy. I’ve had Occupational Therapy. Typing doesn’t bother me too much. Mousing does, as does handwriting. Lifting things hurts. Hanging my purse over my wrist is not a good idea. No meds except for ibuprofen. There have been other symptoms over the past 18 months, so a variety of doctors (PCP, dermatologist, rheumatologist, endocrinologist, vascular surgeon) has tried to connect the dots and find one source. So far, nothing. Frustrating. Sorry to gripe.

            • daisy

              Oh please if that griping , I need to teach you. Why not more pain control.? Is there a reason?. Try not to be stoic. Dr*s can*t see pain and they need your help to inform them I am not sure what a PCP does? Is that a pain specialist ? Otherwise ask for one. Ibuprofen doesn’t seem to be cutting it. I hate this, but the squeaky wheel does get the grease. Does ice help, try it it might. Don*t wait til your pain is out of control before taking the Ibuprofen, It is harder to get it back into control that trying to rein it in after. Let me know.I am interested.

            • Sherbet

              PCP = Primary Care Physician, and she truly is, in that she’s been coordinating all my tests and appointments, discussing me with her colleagues, and also suggesting specialists and conditions I should explore next. I suppose I could have pain meds if I asked for some, but I’m more concerned with getting a solid diagnosis than treating symptoms. Ice and heat both help, as do certain hand splints and gloves. That’s just my hands. I have other things going on elsewhere, and the consensus is that they’re all related. Just a long, complicated mystery that I still believe will be solved someday. Generally, I feel good and can function, so there’s that. My snark organ works fine.

          • One Who Cares

            You have to krall before you walk

            • just give it up…..you’re embarrassing yourself….

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Oh I want to bake Christmas cookies too, can I come over? I’ll bring chocolate!

        • Sunny Sands

          You are right. I honestly thought this was sarcasm and didn’t notice the poster name.

          • Sherbet

            Some are on the fence whether this is for real or not. I fell for it last night, but I’m tiptoeing away to other things.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Sunny Sands, this is a problem for me too – the cult is so lame that I cannot always tell if it is a serious post/statement from the cult, or a parody. That is to say it has become a parody of itself.

    • Amy Forsythe

      I especially like the first one with all the cute robots in the audience.

      • Sherbet

        Scientologists stiff the pizza guys — if that isn’t a testimonial to the church’s good works, I don’t know what is. Good choice, One Who Cares.

      • Sherbet

        There are homeless and starving children in the world, but THANK GOD scientology has a course in organizing your stuff. Social betterment doesn’t get better than that. (Of course, the homeless don’t have “stuff,” but if they ever get any, scientology will teach them how to organize it.)

        • OOkpik

          Scientology does not reward “down statistics”. It does not believe in helping “degraded beings” like the poor, disabled, hungry, ad nauseum. If they can’t ply CofS or IAS with substantial monetary contributions or free labour…pfffft! Stuff won’t get you into Xenu heaven.

    • Dylan

      Scared to open links could you provide CRIB notes please. I assume there will be a test.

      • Sherbet

        My head is spinning around.

        • daisy

          Welcome to my world.

    • MM

      If you want to prove “the positives of the church”, then why did you try to pose as the user ‘jazzlover’ when you first came here, I wonder… (you didn’t honestly think renaming your Disqus handle would unlink you from your previous posts, did you?)

      (F5 for 1st post, then under the name ‘JAZZLOVER’)

      • 9001

        I can confirm. Same person (F5)

        • Nat-leficent

          TY!

        • Sherbet

          Can you explain to a technically-inept poster? If I wanted to, I could create a new account under, say, 9001, and Disqus would accept it? And you couldn’t do anything about it?

          • 9001

            Hi Sherbet. I don’t think you can have 2 accounts in the same name.

            • Sherbet

              Then how was jazzlover’s name used by someone else?

            • 9001

              They used CAPS.

            • Sherbet

              Oh! OK. I get it. And someone would do that just to be a jerk and confuse people?

            • 9001

              I don’t know their motivation. Could be OSA or just someone having a laugh with a sock-puppet.

            • flyonthewall

              it’s the discus id that matters, not the display name. The display name can even be in the same capitalization. You can also have the same avi and display name as long as the discus id is different. I know bc someone did it to me a few months back. If you click on your avi, the discus id is the one under your display name

            • 9001

              Thanks Fly. I didn’t know that.

            • Sherbet

              Got it.

            • flyonthewall

              who would of guessed there were such disturbed, bored people on the internet? It use to be such a safe place *sigh*

            • Sherbet

              Anonymity breeds shenanigans.

            • Observer

              Snort!

            • One Human

              But in the meantime, where is the jazzlover we are familiar with?

            • flyonthewall

              idk, there was a minor incident where she said Anonymous was a bunch of jerks or something and she got some push back on it. I didn’t see her much or at all after that, so maybe that’s why we don’t see her anymore but idk for sure

            • One Human

              I always thought she was a he…?

            • flyonthewall

              could be, idk why i thought she was a she

            • daisy

              He is a he or he has a really bad first name. ( he told me)

            • Sherbet

              I’m pretty sure you’re right.

            • Sherbet

              I think he was here last night for a couple of posts.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think they come in at night, now

            • Robert Eckert

              The real jazzlover has posted recently.

          • Jimmy3

            It’s just lazy-ass trolling. They didn’t bother to make a new account or hide their profile after an old troll session. They just changed the display name.

            • Sherbet

              Disqus will allow two people to use the same display name? I’m so confused.

            • Jimmy3

              There’s an account/login name and the display name. The former is unique, the latter will accept anything of acceptable characters and length.

              So, for example, someone could not duplicate your disqus login, but they could name themself Sherbet and have your exact avatar.

              But if something like this happens, we can always check your real profile and see that the phony is not you. So it works out for the real people, and the trolls are wasting their time.

            • Sherbet

              OK, thanks. Identity theft, Disqus style.

            • Jimmy3

              You have a default disqus ID tho. You can change it in your profile settings to something simple and easily identifiable. Like @therealsherb or @iwillnevermelt

            • Sherbet

              Jeepers, I should’ve gone to MIT.

          • Robert Eckert

            Originally you could use exact same names. The Spoofer came to the Bunker a long time ago as “Bob” when our “Bob” (Cary Grant from North by Northwest avatar, but then a blank-head avatar) was new. Howdy sniffed out that the evil twin Bob was not the same person as the one we knew. This may be the same person who tried to imitate Fly a while back, or a different person from the same stable of trolls.

            • Sherbet

              Gotcha, Robert.

      • Eclipse-girl

        nice catch.

    • One Human

      Allow me to share a couple of videos, a compare and contrast of sorts:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOpapeX6Vzs

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyNh1j3dsp8

      Enjoy!

    • Frodis73

      You did a heck of a lot more than say the church did good things. How about the claims that Hubbard is in the Smithsonian? Or that he is highly regarded as a humanitarian and philosopher and is taught at all universities?

      • now now, they must have gotten fermented kool aid last night…..

      • A better nym might have been One Hook Errs.

    • changed your disqus ID i see…..here’s me positively giving you and your ‘church’ a succinct image that sums up how i feel about y’all, your criminal machine, and destruction you leave in your wake…..F5

    • Lucille Austero

      Oh dear. Perhaps you did not get the memo? We mailed it to you. Do you ignore our mail and phone calls? Anyway, this is to officially inform you that your cult are dead.
      Sincerely,
      All of Humanity

    • outraged

      Now we know that Scientology stiffs the pizza guy.
      If that’s a positive……

    • Frodis73

      My life has been saved as I now know how to organize! Thanks scientology!
      Btw, that music is awful. Never heard these compositions before…I could have died happily w/out them too.

    • Not parodies. How is that even possible?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        With this cult, it is hard to tell if it is a parody or not.

    • ze moo

      The only Easy Living I ever heard was from Uriah Heep.

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Did I ever tell you about the time I looked into the heart of an artichoke?

    • OOkpik

      I have to give you credit for coming back, at least trying, not deleting your posts and, as far as I have seen, speaking your piece politely.

      You are bumping up against many people here who were Scientologists for many years and were sorely abused by the CofS. Many others are forced to endure the pain of disconnection through no fault of their own. (If you believe there is no disconnection policy, you’re in for rude awakening and a world of hurt). Still others finally saw the light and fled with nothing but the clothes on their backs. It was worth the sacrifice.

      We really want you to WAKE UP. Keep reading. Develop critical thinking skills.

      Freedom, love, compassion, joy and real help await you. Jump and we will catch you.
      If you really want to enjoy a happy and fulfilling life, head for the nearest exit and don’t look back

  • nottrue

    Alex would get a good laugh out of that…..https://www.byline.com/project/28/article/640

  • Liberated

    Maybe we shouldn’t let one who cares rattle our chains today. This person is suspicious. Don’t trust.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    If anyone wants to visit my little write-up from the scene in Oslo from Oct. 25, then here’s the link. It has pics of the old “org” as well. Oh, and we don’t have ground floors here, so when it says 4th floor, it’s the 3rd floor for you who enter on the ground floor.

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/10/25/jon-atack-scientologys-past-lives-dont-pass-the-giggle-test/#comment-2326312747

    • aquaclara

      Thank you!

    • ze moo

      Have Ringness on me. Oh hell, go have a big AASS Fatol. F5

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        “a big AASS Fatol”

        When you say it like that, it doesn’t sound very appealing. Lol.

        • ze moo

          It is a very good, hoppy beer, without the IPA overtones.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Yes, but ‘big ass fat beer’ – it sounds like something Kirstie Alley would drink. Lol.

  • aquaclara

    Jeffrey, you are good. This is a lovely catch from the footbullet masters. Now you’ve got ’em tripping over those things.

    • J. Swift

      aquaclara, the Devil is in the details. These courts filings are Miscavige’s version of Hubbard’s Affirmations.

      • aquaclara

        I love reading your devilish work. This will be the stuff that starts changing the tide in the courtrooms.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Scientologist Jenna Elfman’s Performance in “Youth for Human Rights” Wins Fraudie Award

    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/Jenna_zps8nbpcl34.png

    Scientologist Jenna Elfman successfully lined the Church of Scientology’s pockets with $10,000 when she successfully scammed Legoland California by representing an apparently noble group named “Youth for Human Rights.”

    What Elfman apparently failed to tell Legoland was that “Youth for Human Rights” was a phony Scientology front group. Ooops! Elfman’s scam, really part of her cruel joke, was that “human rights” do not exist inside the
    Church of Scientology or any of it’s phony front groups.

    Elfman played a perfect scam: A bait and switch con that left the victim so embarrassed that it will not report this matter to the authorities. Indeed, Legoland management today attempted to sweep this sordid matter under the carpet and move on with life.

    For her A+ cultic connivance and epic scammery, the American Fraud and Scam Practitioners Society, a social betterment group of the Church of Scientology which encourages and rewards the creative and innovation in Scientology fundraising, has awarded Elfman its highly coveted “Fraudie” award.

    Past winners of the Fraudie include Sea Org Captain Stayta Kleer, inventor of the shiny and ornate IAS trophies given in exchange for free money from IAS members.

    VWD Jenna!

    • Bernie

      LOL! This is going in her Ethics file, right?

  • Well, just to put it on the record for all time: if, on the infinitesimal chance that I DO get sued by DM for help DM’s father tell his story–it isn’t my story, it is Ron’s, I was more or less a scribe who did Key to Life and so can tell the subjunctive from a semicolon and vice versa–but IF DM decides to bring a suit, I declare before all Bunkerites that I will offer to hire the best lawyer or team of lawyers I can find who can file the largest counter suit they feel they can win and that they can keep every penny of the judgment they will undoubtedly win and they only have to pay me their going hourly rate for my time when I have to be involved in the suit. I promise. Signed, Dan Koon AKA Joe Howard.

    • Sherbet

      What’s the ETA for the book?

      • Sherbet

        //Noticing Dan did NOT answer this question//

        • Frodis73

          Lol. I can’t wait to read what Ron has to say…it’s going to be explosive (I hope).

      • Rumor has it next spring.

        • Sherbet

          🙂

    • outraged

    • jane456

      I know a lawsuit is not pleasant or to be desired….but just out of curiosity , how many people could you depose in this hypothetical? All the residents of Gold, Heber Jentsch, Shelly Miscavige….Tom Cruise…..

      • Anyone remember when Sinatra tried to stop Kitty Kelly from publishing her biography of him? She saifpd she didn’t mind being sued because then she could get him under oath in a deposition and ask him some questions of her own. They won’t sue.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      First off, I am glad you know your semicolons! And Joe Howard AKA Dan Koon, I would love to see you depose the diminutive Captain David Blackheart Let Him Die Miscavige.

    • OOkpik

      Way to go, Joe!

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        That’s one nasty gif!! But I love it.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Volunteering my services as Fetcher of Coffee.

      http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/4877184/mr-miyagi-o.gif

    • B4you

      Deal!

    • J. Swift

      Dan, Miscavige is so afraid of you that it sends shivers done his spine. What you’re doing to help as a scribe is of incredible value. Karen and I salute you — I would also enjoy interviewing you on my podcast.

      Question for you Dan: What did it feel like to be a young man in 1980 signing a $5,000,000 CMO bond? Did it seem real or was it just paperwork?

    • Ah, the old “get sued by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology and collect when they settle” ploy. Worked a treat for Debbie Cook.

      Sure, but don’t forget that there really is no need to sign anything more binding than a receipt for a cheque (Bonnie Woods and David Love hardly shut up) – and you should demand a binding agreement for the Co$ to stop lying about you.

  • Mark

    HO! look what I found lurking on Gumtree UK just now: https://www.gumtree.com/sellerads/1144597620?page=1

    Can’t believe it’s entirely a coincidence the Sodom-on-Sea brothel mission posted 6 new ads (4 for front-groups) after Tony’s “Brighton Shiny Moment” piece on Saturday, can you?

    If you’d like to help remove them, click through to each ad from the link above, and then on the grey ‘Report’ button in the top right-hand box, and do your worst! Thanking you in advance 🙂

    • Sherbet

      Is “How can I succeed better in life?” proper English? I think not. Either one succeeds or one does not.

      • Mark

        One of these days someone with access to an MRI scanner’s going to do a thesis on how Scientology atrophies the brain’s language-centres.

        • Sherbet

          Yes, and then they will succeed better at diagnosing.

        • B4you

          You don’t need an MRI. I think it’s a “glow in the dark” thing you can see in there eyes.
          btw: i believe i observed dilated pupils on those $cios that were “clear” and above, especially those who just came out of session. I mean real dilated pupils!
          Any takers ?

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        Thank you! Succeed is an absolute. Just like the word unique!! Either you do succeed or you don’t. Or you are unique or you are not. There are no (zero, nada, none) qualifiers.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Done, m’lud 🙂

    • ze moo

      The poster is “Catriona”? Ok they have been using that name for 3+ years, but still, WTF?

    • Graham

      Done! Thanks for the ‘heads up’.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Done (and since I live in Gomorrah, hopefully my proximity to Sodom will help!)

  • J. Swift

    In the Church of Scientology both the Sea Org and human rights are talked about frequently but neither actually exist. Then again, most of what the Church of Scientology talks about does not actually exist inside the Church and never has:

    * The State of Clear as described by Hubbard
    * OT when defined as “Cause over the MEST Universe”
    * Straight up and vertical expansion
    * The Way to Happiness
    * The Group
    * Ethics
    * Justice
    * Freedom
    * The only game where everyone wins
    * Planetary clearing
    * Planetary salvage

    The list goes on. Scientology exists in a dense language system enmeshed in a deceptive legal structure. As a sales and marketing business masquerading as a religion, Scientology must rely upon duplicity, fraud, and evasion to operate. The power of former members, the internet, books, journalists, and activists is greater than all of Scientology’s money and legal scamminess.

    • flyonthewall

      Hello Mr. Swift. I enjoy your guest posts, pod casts, scientologymoneyproject blog, youtube channel and SP shaving cream. Thank you for being you.

      Fly

    • Madison KinSmed

      Mr. Swift, you da bomb! Thank you!

  • Observer

    Mr Observer is out of surgery. Everything went well and once he’s out of recovery we can go home. 👍

    • Mark

      Good!

    • flyonthewall

      medical science and the human spirit for the win!

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Yay!

    • daisy

      Great news on another sad day. YAY

      • Shit. I don’t want to look. What next?

        • daisy

          No worse than yesterday, I find the counting down difficult . So does everyone. I have it in my head as a never-in and fairly new I need to follow.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      That is wonderful to hear, Obs. Take good care of him!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Woo-hoo! Wait…home home? They’re releasing him already? Dang, hospitals don’t let you hang around anymore, and, you know…heal. Well, here’s to a speedy recovery!

      • Observer

        Yep. It was arthroscopic surgery, which doesn’t require a lot of recovery time.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Ah that explains it.

    • B4you

      Home for Christmas, that’s a good thing!

    • Sherbet

      Wonderful! Quick; take that selfie while he’s still woozy. (Kidding. There must be laws against ridiculing the anesthetized.)

    • Will he be able to be in the Cleveland floor show kick line? I gotta work on the choreography. If he just wants to do his interpretive dance, I totes understand. We can work it out. Take good care of herr Observer!

    • Get a few of his pain meds now, before he can miss them.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      What great news!
      Now, just watch those dang steps when you are going out after the mutt.

      Ironic that the people who spew bile incessantly have the gall to blather on.

      You’re gonna have to follow my suit – I’m drinking for two at the mo.’
      Swift recovery wishes from our corner of the Bunker 🙂

    • Vaquera

      Wonderful!

    • A bird in the chimney

      Glad to hear it!

    • Science Doc

      Sounds good.

    • Eclipse-girl

      wonderful news.
      I hope you didn’t fret too much.
      (((HUGS)))

    • Lucille Austero

      Happy face!!!

    • Glad everything went well and hope he has a speedy recovery!! 🙂

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      So glad to hear that. Observerhund will be so happy. 🙂

      • Science Doc

        Happy to jump on his stomach if my experience is a guide.

      • Observer

        I expect to have to forcibly restrain her from mauling him to death. This has really stressed her out, poor girl.

        • Frodis73

          Poor pup…they hate things like that. *dog smooches*

        • Juicer77

          (f5)

    • Frodis73

      Yay! Now you get to wait on him hand and foot! Tell him I said to get a bell so that he can ring for you when he needs something. 🙂

      • Observer

        He already said he’s going to. I wished him luck. :-p

        The only restrictions he’s under are not to lift more than 10 lbs or drive while he’s on the pain meds.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Pain meds? I don’t remember getting pain meds.

          But I probably wouldn’t take them anyway.

          • Robert Eckert

            Your husband must have eaten them all.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Mr Hole had his smartphone on his bedtray 🙂 He used it a lot

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      Sending you tons of Stimpacks and Nuka-Cola Quantum for a fast and smooth recovery.

    • Illinoisian

      Glad, glad, glad. Home is best for resting and healing.

    • Juicer77

      Hooray!!

    • salin

      WooHoo! Great News!

    • beauty for ashes

      Wooo HOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    • Allie

      Wonderful news!! Will be good to be home again.

      • Observer

        We’re still waiting on the discharge paperwork

    • BraveBloggers

      May he Convalesce well and completely. And don’t forget to take care of yourself while taking care of him. The Mr., needs you and so do the rest of us.

    • Great news! 👍🎉😊

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I came back tonight just to try and find your news. Very good news – and going home after recovery too! Excellent. So glad for you both.

    • Very cool! Best wishes for a smooth recovery

    • GeorgeJ1952

      I am playing catch up here, I hope that by now Mr. Obs is feeling better. I had this surgery done the same way and was back to work two days later. If I remember correctly, what hurt me the most afterward was the gas that they put in to have a better look at things in there. It takes a minute to dissipate and it caused some cramping in my chest and was gone by the next day. Good thought being sent to you 🙂

      • Observer

        Thank you! He is feeling much better and plans to go back to work on Monday.

  • Sometimes there is a post in a private Facebook group that needs broader sharing. I asked Alice permission to re-post this.
    The Sea org while pretending non-existence touts itself as the ultimate in honor, ethics, having strong moral principles and trustworthiness. It is the battle song within that they are superior in integrity and virtue !

    Alice Zm Knapp
    16 hrs I worked as a nanny at the
    CEO for a while. (Cadet Org) I would have anywhere between 20 to 28 three year olds
    children under my care. At the time, we had to buy our own clothing,
    which was pretty hard with only earning $10 to $25 per week. After I was
    routed out, the CEO had uniforms given to the staff. I remember getting
    written up for having worn out clothing. There were so many times which
    I wanted to leave, but I felt so sorry for the children
    and cared for them, I couldn’t go. When I did leave it was because I
    was being routed out. I was basically told to go as they were going to
    get rid of all the preschooler, toddlers, and babies from the Sea Org.
    One of the missionaires told me that the steps they were going to take
    were to get rid of all staff which had quite a few children, then they
    were going to get rid of staff who had children under the age of five
    years old. It was really tough to leave with our family as we had no
    money and didn’t really know anyone in the LA area. Basically we were
    thrown out on the street.
    http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/karendelac/Album%202015/JT.group..jpg

    • OOkpik

      Tears.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Thank you for sharing Alice’s story, Karen.

      $ci: always worse than you think. And this is why we’re here.

    • Not many revelations occur from people that were actually in charge of the children who never saw their parents and lived in a communal state.
      The *high* *high* ETHICS of the Sea Org destroyed family growth and contact and cut off all family time of 1 hour a day with the kids. At the peak 300 to 400 kids lived like this.
      ALICE posts:
      I
      believe that being on staff at the CEO was the hardest post in the SO,
      because we had to take care of other beings, deal with the upset of the
      children when their parents didn’t show up for family time, have a lib
      day, or when a parent went to the RPF. CEO was a legal time bomb for the
      Church of Scientology which is one of the reasons it was moved away
      from Los Angeles. You know the saying “out of sight, out of mind.” So
      basically, they downsized the staff, got rid of the parents who weren’t
      on important post at the top orgs, waited for those children to grow
      older, moved them out to a ranch, called the ranch the cadet org. And
      now there aren’t children in the SO, or so I believe. No more legal
      problems in that area.

      • Frodis73

        So important to share this info. Absolutely sickening…I just can’t. *tears*

      • A bird in the chimney

        Just maybe an indication something is terribly wrong with an organization: When children are considered “legal problems” to be shunted aside and hidden.

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        This is one of the saddest posts I have read here. It sickens me — even as a non- parent.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Karen’s little Alexander is in the front row in the red and white-striped t-shirt.

    • Sid (Phil)

      Scientology family values.

    • JanInThePan

      Wow. Thank you, Karen for sharing this. Please pass along our thanks to Alice too.

    • One of my step-children was in the Cadet org. He’s a fantastic grown-up man now, but he really struggled when he was there. He confided in us that when he was about 7 he would wander the streets of Hollywood, panhandling, shoplifting, chatting up prostitutes for treats. He’s very angry still about this period of his life and could do with some quality time with Rachel.
      As a scn survivor myself, I feel lucky to have found a good therapist for the left-over crap that regularly f**ks up my life. She is Dennis Erlich’s daughter.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Oh, no. I’m so sorry for him. And so glad for you that you have someone you can talk to about all of this.

        • Thank you. I’ve been avoiding getting some real help for years (trust issues), but lately I’ve come to understand that I’m making a mess of things and I need to talk about the mind-fuck with someone who truly understands. Most therapists are not trained in this area and look at you like you’re speaking Martian when you tell them about experiences inside a cult.

          • Bernie

            All the best in getting peace of mind!

            “Trust issues”, of course! That says it!

    • You do great work, Karen. We’re indebted to you for all of it. Thank you.

    • Bernie

      Scientology feudal system of controlling lives and destinies. Where are they now?

      Alice, thank you for this. I hope your life has been happier since.

  • RK

    6 oz of water and a protein shake (likely 300 calories at the most). Why were they surprised that she withered away and died? I find this story of the end of Lisa’s life simply astounding.

  • Enturbulated Masterbator

    If K Pow wrote the press release he/she would berate the landlord for asking for money from such ethical big beings.

    Poor Lisa….a simple trip to the ER would revive and save her.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    God help us all. The Jive Aces will be at Flag…in kilts!

    F5/Refresh

    • OOkpik

      Up theirs!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Yer bum’s oot the windae!

        • OOkpik

          Bwaaahahaha

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Sorry. There’s a 5% chance of snow tonight and I got overexcited 😛

    • Frodis73

      Lol that the “in kilts” thing is the draw of the night.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I thought that came from Betty until I realized it’s in the freaking flyer! Priceless.

    • Science Doc

      Dress rehearsal for their Legoland tour.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Might a true Scotsman find this offensive or nah?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Probably not. But if one did, he would offer the Aces outside for a Glasgow Kiss 😀

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          You knew I’d have to Google that. LOL

          I’d pay to see that. 🙂

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Och, you would, lassie!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *mwah*

        • daisy

          Oh wad a some Pow*r the giftie gei us.
          To see ourselves as ithers see us – Ode to a Louse. I have used that phrase 2 or3 times against scientology. As the daughter of a Scottish drunk, I am highly offended they use our poet and so would Robbie Burns be. LOL

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            A Scottish drunk??? That’s like finding a needle in a haystack!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Can we hire them for HowdyCon?

      • One Human

        BOOOOO!!!
        No Shill EB either.

    • Observer

      NO

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I know. As if the last few days haven’t been tough enough, Obs. Now you’re picturing canary yellow sporrans and asking yourself: “will they be wearing underoos?”.

        • Observer

          I am picturing and asking myself no such things! That way lies madness.

          • Juicer77

            comment redacted – just saw the update… glad everything went well and he’s headed home!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Attn: Jive Aces

      1998 called, it wants its GAP commercial music back.

      ML

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I gotta stand up and salute you on that one, NOLA.

    • Sid (Phil)

      “ALL PROCEEDS GO TO THE CREATION OF IDEAL ORGS!”
      (Except Oslo, and Toronto, and Winnipeg, and The Valley, and,,,)

    • 9001

      I’m speechless. grrrr.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’m so sorry, my dearest Scottish friend 🙁

  • outraged

    Offff topic, but very important – kitties.
    Anyone use Nutro kibble for cats? 👍? 👎?

    • Juicer77

      I’ve never fed Nutro, but not for any particular reason. My number one rule is check the ingredient label. The number 1 ingredient should be meat, not corn or grain. Also, I don’t feed any food with “by-product” in it. If you are switching foods, remember to go 25% new/75% old food for a week, then 50/50, then 75/25. This will avoid tummy upsets. Hope this helps.

      • outraged

        It does!! Which one do you use btw?

        • Juicer77

          I feed Verus wet (available at pet feed stores, not available at regular retailers) and Precise dry. The ash and magnesium content are lower and the ingredients are excellent. Long story why two different brands, having to do with our previous very elderly cat and what he would tolerate.

          • outraged

            Verus wet, Precise dry, sold at regular pet stores, not Petco/Petsmart?
            I guess also on the web.
            Not sure hubs would go for high end. I would. But luckily I am not the financier in the family though he is on occasion penny wise pound foolish.

            • Juicer77

              You can find decent brands at the large pet stores. Just do some label checking. Verus and Precise are a little more, but not outrageously so, than high-end brands at the big pet stores. Precise also has a loyalty program where you get every 12th bag free. If you check on the Verus and Precise web sites they can tell you where they are sold in your area. Both can be purchased online but check the prices carefully against your local store. Sometimes it’s higher online! I justify the higher, better quality food cost as saving money in vet bills in the long run. Just like for people. 🙂

            • outraged

              Thank you so much Juicer!! you are a wealth of info.

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      No. My kitteh is gone but I used Royal Canin which I think is one of the best.

      • outraged

        I’m sorry. :-{
        Where did you buy it from?

        • salin

          I think PetCo carrie Royal Canin

          • outraged

            thank you!!

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          Petco in the US

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          Thank you by the way. I will see him on the Rainbow Bridge. Not that other silly $cio bridge.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      We usually go with Taste of the Wild. But we have to mix it up from time to time because our cats get bored. We had them on a partial raw food diet for a while, but we got lazy about it.

      • outraged

        do they sell that at petsmart?

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Hmm, I don’t know…I doubt it. But PetSmart might carry Wellness brand, which is pretty good, too.

          • outraged

            Great! thank you! Wellness…sounds yummy.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Sure, good luck!

        • Juicer77

          Second 5 Feet’s comment – Wellness is also good, and they like it.

  • Frodis73

    I was going to bring this up last night but the troll visit made me forget. Yesterday when we learned that Lisa’s “caretakers” were a bit freaked because they were out of money (OMFG, I read it 2x to make sure I had that right) for her protein shakes, I about died. It made me wonder what and where were her caretakers eating? Were they eating in front of her? What were they eating? I’d love to see a comparison between what they were enjoying vs what Lisa was getting. I’m sure there is (or was) a record of it and it would be interesting to see.

    • Susan B.

      What are these people doing??? How stupid can you be to have an assignment as a “caretaker” and not see that Lisa McPherson is seriously going downhill? It doesn’t take a nursing degree to know this: No human contact, no food, no water, no deep sleep, no control of bladder & bowels = DEATH!!!!!!!

      OK, that’s it. I’ve decided that the caretakers were responsible for her death as well the higher up cowards hiding behind the scenes. That includes the stupid caretakers that have already come and gone in these installments of Lisa’s story. So tragic that this went to court and the Cult of $cientology came away without being held responsible. This pisses me off sooooo much!!!! Makes me tearful too. What a combo.

      • Frodis73

        Yes, I do not understand how they didn’t see she was wasting away. I know when you see somebody everyday subtle changes are hard to detect, but I’ve seen her autopsy pics, she was emaciated. This all went down in 17 days and her weight loss would have been drastic, especially the last week. Mind blowing that they blocked it out, ignored it… or whatever the heck they did.
        Troll is One Who Cares…you can prob find it by sorting comments to newest on yesterdays post. Just made some crazy claims about lrh and we were smacking them down.

        • Susan B.

          Thanks. I finally found troll OWC.

    • Susan B.

      PS: What’s the name of the troll? I tried scrolling through last night to find their name and the posts but I couldn’t find them.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        One Who Cares is the name of yesterday’s troll.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Aww, it’s like the 12 days of Christmas in troll form.

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Have we already had our troll visit today? (The Twelve Trolls of R6 would make quite a good carol!)
            Hope you’re well, loving the candy-cane border and snowflakes on your av, very festive 🙂

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hello, love. I am the very lucky recipient of a Nat Special 🙂

              (I have a couple in reserve, too!)

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Wow-one jealous monkey! (I should do something about mine, but I’m waiting for my new laptop… it’ll be really easy to tell when it’s arrived!)

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Ooh, nice Christmas present to yourself!

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Absolutely 🙂 (I need a new one really, my current Dell’s so old {9 years} it can no longer play vids full screen using any browser-and it’s a royal pain in the backside having to use my phone all the time!)

          • daisy

            You are on fire today several pee funnies I think this post might be for another or my remarks doesn’t make sense

          • salin

            A few suggestions for a 12 Days Christmas Troll :

            One Who Cares (used)
            Twins Who Stare
            Three Off Topics
            Therapy four Thetans
            FiveOhOneC3
            Six Division(s) ABCs
            Seven Seas Orcas
            Eight PIs in Waiting
            Nine suits of law
            Ten Beans and some rice
            Eleven Oh So Admirables
            Twelve Yuletide Trolls

            ETA to complete the list of nics

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Bravo! Excellent 😀

            • salin

              While loss hadn’t robbed me of my daily snark, this was my first attempt to push my creative juices in just over a week. Felt good.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I’m so glad, love. It made me smile 🙂

  • Spike Robinson

    SPIKE’S R-6 CHALLENGE!!!!

    For those who wish to go a-caroling at their local Orgs this happy implant season, I’m creating a set of R-6 songbooks and need to add a few more verses to “We Wish You a Merry R-6.”

    I’ll give you what I’ve got – I’ll be recording this, so keep ’em good! (Santa is watching!)

    We wish you a merry R6,
    We wish you a merry R6,
    We wish you a merry R6,
    And getting it clear!

    Chorus: Good tidings to you;
    It’s all been a fake,
    You’ve been mocking it all up,
    So give it a break!

    So give us a lot of cash now,
    So give us a lot of cash now,
    So give us a lot of cash now,
    Or you can’t leave from here.

    (Chorus)

    You can’t go until we get some,
    You can’t go until we get some,
    You can’t go until we get some,
    It’s worse than you fear.

    [alternate words for chorus welcome, too…]

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Heh, fab, Spike!

      Miss Tia is your lady for Scientological carols. She has an entire songbook 🙂

      • Spike Robinson

        cool! I’ve been goofing off quite productively today; instead of the editing/writing/research I’m supposed to be doing, all sorts of R-6 carols have been popping into my head … it’s like I’ve been visited by the R-6 fairy…

        • just posted the link as a comment above! 🙂

          • Spike Robinson

            May the R-6 fairy grant you a Special Postulation this Implant Season!

          • Spike Robinson

            Oooooh! I shall not only record, but also put up link to this songbook!

            I love ‘Go On, Blow!’ Beautiful. And working in 1-866-XSEA-ORG – Genius.

            My black felt fedora is officially doffed in your direction.

            • Thank you!!! When you finish yours please make sure I get the link for it and I’ll add it to mine! (I’m no longer on FB 🙂 But I’m still easy to find. 🙂

            • I gotta say I was pretty happy I got that # in the song. I had a very productive couple weeks rewording songs last year 🙂 I have a few others that I only partially reworded but I’ll perhaps work on them for next year as I’m working on something else for this Christmas 🙂

      • Thanks Andrea! SP Choirs commence PLEASE!!! 😀

    • Here’s all the Christmas songs I reworded last year, typed up in a Google doc this year for anyone who wants to go Christmas Caroling! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_wgxIJO8bWfBBXW_P1TIsQ5uYu7Jx_5lcsVtqzKF_6M/edit

      • Spike Robinson

        Thank you, Miss Tia! May I record some of your variations? I shall credit, of course!!!!

        • Absolutely!!! PLEASE do!!! I would absolutely love love LOVE to hear them sung!!!

          • Spike Robinson

            Your postulate is my amends project… 🙂

            • I made some lyric vids for some of these last year too….found orchestra version i liked and then added the words….of course no singing—cuz my singing voice should be banned, i think it is actually 🙂

              i don’t think you need to make amends for anything!! please feel free to include any of my songs in your song book…..i posted mine so they could get spread about and hopefully sung around some scientology places! 🙂

            • Spike Robinson

              Oh, I know I don’t hafta make amends, but in CO$, we’re all guilty of something… and that was the closest thing I could come up with to ‘command’, because, believe it or not, I forgot about ‘command intention’ until right now. Damn.

              So, your wish is my command intention. There.

              I’d go back and change it, but then your comment would look strange, and I wouldn’t do that to you. 🙂

              And thanks many – I shall credit you with whatever lyrics I borrow! And please feel free to borrow mine, similarly!

            • I’m a dingdong and totally forgot to put ‘Carol of the Bells/Fort Harrison’ in my Christmas Caroling Tech!! Adding at the very last!! DOH!!! I didn’t remember typing up ‘redrum redrum’…. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_wgxIJO8bWfBBXW_P1TIsQ5uYu7Jx_5lcsVtqzKF_6M/edit

    • Jimmy3

      Hilarious, and how great it works.

      Alternate chorus:

      Good findings on you,
      Your credit is cake
      Sign on the dot here, Merry R6
      And we’ll have our take

      • Spike Robinson

        Thanks! believe it or not, coming up with words to tunes is actually part of my academic qualifications – I went to music theory school, where they teach lyric-setting like some schools teach welding or carpentry. Craft is craft! 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          I believe it.

        • Juicer77
          • Spike Robinson

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

            Yes. Yes. YES!!!!

          • daisy

            Oh that is what that is .I wondered.

        • jazzlover

          Let me know when you attain “Lennon Snark” level 🙂

          • Spike Robinson

            you tell me. 😉

            • jazzlover

              You’re gettin’ there, but you need it to be a bit more angsty 🙂 Maybe do some primal scream therapy? 😉

            • Spike Robinson

              Lol! Off-topic, but how’s this one for angsty?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-icNgqgZ2Q

            • jazzlover

              That’s a really nice take on “blues”, and the video is unique and innovative. I like that 🙂 (I am assuming that’s you, although not sure)

              For your next one, might I suggest shooting for the more “overt”? (probably could’ve been an official RPF theme song):

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPA8TGNjqjs

            • Spike Robinson

              Well, I forgot until I watched the vid that the blanket on the couch was the camouflage one, so of course I didn’t realize that I would blend into my surroundings.

              But I assure you it’s me. 🙂

            • jazzlover

              Well, great job, nonetheless! Sometimes the best things in life are accidental 🙂

              Just work on your “scowl” a little more. LOL

            • Spike Robinson

              Yeah, I really should give that camouflage blanket back to the top-secret laboratory I stole it from … otherwise, I won’t get my big fat paycheck from Big Pharm this month.

              That, and it’s hell when you lay your glasses down on it.

            • jazzlover

              LOL

            • Spike Robinson

              And if you want ‘overt,’ then how about this one?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zZn7gip1uw

              It’s not the scowl; it’s the duckface I have problems with…

  • Nat-leficent

    . . .

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I want one!! 🙂 Does it come with the thermos?

      • Nat-leficent

        A Karen thermos 😉

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Dear Santa,

          Please tell Nat I’ve been good. It’s mostly true.

          Thanks,
          Steph

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            No you haven’t! F5

            • Frodis73

              That is awesome.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Bahahahaha!!! I love that. Definitely pinching that for Christmas. 🙂

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Steal away! I stole it from a friend last year who stole it from a friend the year before. It’s like a prayer circle. Except it’s a burglary circle. Happy nearly Christmas, Nolly 🙂

        • Rasha
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Fly (and Sherb) will be thrilled!

      • Sherbet

        I am!

    • J. Swift

      Thanks Nat! To make it onto a Bunker lunchbox is an honor. Of course, COB probably won’t want one for Christmas.

      • Nat-leficent

        He’s mad because his didn’t sell XD

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          It went in the $1 budget basement bucket on Dec 26th and still didn’t sell.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Now they’re giving them away at LEGOLAND.

        • Well, they weren’t built to hold food, cuz um when are the Sea Org slaves regularly FED? The COB box is a safe deposit box!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Then we should all buy him one.

      • Liberated

        Send him one anyway.

      • ze moo

        I’ll send him one, without the matching thermos.

    • flyonthewall

      ….

    • Sherbet

      Awesome!

  • Juicer77

    Have we gotten an update on how PickAnotherID is doing?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      No, not today 🙁

      • Juicer77

        Probably still working on treatment. Takes a while sometimes.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          At least we have some details, thanks to his daughter.

  • Frodis73

    Hmmm, interesting comment on Chris’s newest video. I have a million questions I’d like to ask this person:

    liketanyanot

    1 hour ago (edited)

    I am spiritual but not religious and I have encountered much of this tyranny of cults of personality in the new age and conspiracy communities without even being an official member of any group. There are tons of individuals like this who create the air of a cult just by being who they are, which invariably are damaged individuals with charismatic personalities. I appreciate so much this interview because for many years I would fall into this trap again and again (thanks codependency) of finding charismatic types who I fell under their spell only to find they were stone cold manipulators who wanted nothing more than my time, energy and/or money. I appreciate Dr. Bernstein’s words even if she casts a jaundiced eye at psychics and psychic ability. She should know that not all of us are scam artists or narcissists with delusions of grandeur and that there are studies that prove it is real- especially if you look at telepathy experiments. But over all I do appreciate this and you very much Chris- you are that rare voice of reason who compassionately asserts that people can believe and experience whatever they want, but who can also look at destructive personality types and really examine when something becomes dangerous with a calm, cool, clear eye. Thank you, most humanist/rationalist/atheist groups cannot do that and very often throw the baby out with the bathwater. The reason I can’t find helpful therapy for myself is precisely this aggressive and obnoxious 19th century pervasive idea that psychic anything is flim-flam from the psychoanalytic/therapeutic community. My mother was a state-licensed, board certified psychologist for 20+ years with the state of Ohio and did my psych eval when I finally told her about my paranormal experiences btw. She told me I wasn’t crazy and that I needed to seek out people like myself to learn about my abilities. I wish more therapists were that open minded/compassionate. Instead, vulnerable people in my situation find ourselves repeatedly fearful of being involuntarily institutionalized like I was for decades, and/or absolutely treated like garbage and with complete overt hostility by most therapists (who for the most part are atheists I have found).

    • Jimmy3

      I’ve spoken to that guy before. He really doesn’t like Tanya for whatever reason.

      • daisy

        I don’t get this joke and I sense it is a funny, I will up vote anyway explain or not,

        • Jimmy3

          You were wrong. It was not funny. You will forget about it immediately.

          *waves hand*

    • daisy

      Wow that is some insight. Thank you. Just a quick addition you do not have to believe what the therapist*s believe for them to help you.

      • Frodis73

        I especially liked the part about being involuntarily committed for believing in paranormal things. Yeah, right. If that was true most of the US would be locked up.

    • Liberated

      Could not agree more, you are a kindred soul.

      • Frodis73

        Just so we are clear, I did not write that. It was posted on Chris Shelton’s youtube page about today’s video. I do not believe in psychics, etc.

      • Liberated

        Whoops.

  • Frodis73

    Has anybody talked to ReallyMGM lately? Missing her…

    • daisy

      A couple of nights ago. Anyone hear from Emma D.?

      • Frodis73

        TY Daisy.

      • One Human

        mon elle too…..?

        • daisy

          SHE has been here too .

  • Fink Jonas

    On Chris’s video, yeah I agree with the lady Scientology demonizes the mind, as a mind stopping mechanism.

    • flyonthewall
      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        WOW…

        • flyonthewall

          Crazy guy invents cult that demonizes psychiatrists and says brains are useless. You really can’t make stuff up like that

          PS – and yes that is Jason Beghe as the announcer

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Oh, so it is, Fly!

          • salin

            Any idea when that ran? It seems so – unsophisticated.

            • flyonthewall

              Since Jason is in it, probably late 90’s

            • salin

              Then I guess they were going for schlock humor? It’s awful.

        • otherles

          You know…Mel Brooks could have a lot of fun with these guys.

      • B4you

        I remember that one!

  • Rasha

    Just a quick check, here – were Lisa’s handlers forbidden to speak to her?

    • Frodis73

      Yes.

      • Rasha

        …. just a minute.

        …A sick, dehydrated woman, physically fighting in a barely conscious instinct to survive, and mentally broken, all due to the individuals (yes – accountable people) who are there to ‘handle’ her, after repeated cries for help, verbally and physically, is reduced to a wracked frame and denied medicine, nutrition, help, love, support, even COMMUNICATION – the “universal solvent”, and is dying

        “Rita noted that at one point during the day, she perceived that Lisa wanted to put on a sweater.

        ‘I put it on her, and she thanked me,’ Rita noted. ”

        Rita….. you denied her the basics of human interaction, the basics of human survival, the basics of human existence…. You think she was thanking you???

        Yes, having not cared for her, not treated her, not spoken to her while she decayed at an astonishing rate and died before you, you ‘perceived’ she wanted… a sweater.

        I only cede you the fact that, as a human, you died first.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Wow. Yes. Wow.

          • Rasha

            …sorry, I had to walk away for a bit.

            • Frodis73

              It’s hard to take it all in. I want to know if her caretakers ate in front of her and what they ate…esp since they talked about being out of money for a period of time yesterday.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              No apologies. That was powerful and cut right to it. Thank you.

        • beauty for ashes

          As I was trying to think what to say I noticed I had been sitting there with my fist clenched over my heart. <3

          • Rasha

            <3

        • jane456

          That’s the whole point of a cult…to kill the human being in you. Sociopaths have no use for compassionate human beings. They want robotic people who follow orders.

          I don’t know if any of these people have ever faced the reality of what they did. I hope someone comes forward one day and speaks, but that is extremely unlikely.

          Because of Lisa, they did have to change how they did things. I hope that it has made it much harder to do this to someone. But the real way to stop them is to take their tax exemption. This is tax payer subsidized. I cannot think of another group that could get away with this. This event alone is reason to take the tax exemption.

  • A bird in the chimney

    After seeing the aftermath of how the hero laid waste to his merc team in the terribleawesome movie “Under Siege,” the villain’s (Tommy Lee Jones) reaction is to yell at his second, “But why didn’t we hire this guy?!”

    Whenever I read one of Jeffrey’s articles I imagine DM having a moment kinda like this. ;D Anger, then ragefists, then just a second of being wistful that Jeffrey isn’t working for them. Then more tiny ragefists.

    Excellent and demystifying as always, Jeffrey, thanks.

  • nottrue

    I think we should leave this one or should we drag him in….He does have Pizza or is that Grilled Cheese. Whatever it is it looks good…..Wait a minute is that Will

    • Free Pizza

    • romanesco

      Drag him in, but let him finish his sandwich first.

    • flyonthewall

      He has a sandwich, grab it!

    • Rasha

      “Oh, no! Maybe he needs assistance! Quick! Let’s help him! Call for medical assistance and perform basic First Aid!

      …eh. Nah. I’ll just fiddle around in my pockets instead. What’s your score on Fruit Ninja, Kyle?”

    • salin

      Good thing we can’t afford to buy the cheese sandwiches from down the street.

    • Shanester

      Wow! Look at those faces. There’s nothing like the true expression of a Scientologist when confronted with degraded beings. The guy on the right at least very nearly has an expression of sardonic amusement. The tall staff member on the left, however, betrays the true, nasty little heart of Scientology indoctrination. Remember: there is no love in Scientology’s tone scale.
      http://i.imgur.com/72g4UcS.jpg

    • romanesco

      Quick, check his pockets before he wakes up! Got an image of his signature? Good. We’ll just put it on this promissory note and NDA.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Touch Assists! Why aren’t they performing LRH’s famous Touch Assists?

    • do you have background on this?

  • flyonthewall

    if Scientology was a chair I would do this to it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvdth7bOPWY&t=11s

    • Frodis73

      That is one messed up flick…been awhile since I have seen it, but I remember the weirdness. Have you ever seen ‘Kids’ btw?

    • Supper Powers

      That and Julien Donkey Boy still haunt me.

  • J. Swift

    IMO, one key mistake the X lawyers made in the early 1980’s was to place OSA in CSI rather than placing OSA in RTC. This happened because Hubbard and Miscavige wanted to place ownership of the lucrative Scientology copyrights and trademarks outside of CSI, this while leaving the GO/OSA Mafia functions in CSI.

    This arrangement seemed a clever way to allow Hubbard and Miscavige immunity from any lawsuits filed against CSI while allowing them to simultaneously control CSI by exercising copyright control via licenses. The RTC control of copyrights allowed Miscavige to shut down all or part of CSI in the event of a mass mutiny or a mass protest by members: Like a petulant rich kid on the playground when things did no go his way, Dave could take “his” Tech and meters and go home and no one would get to play Scientology.

    One of the unintended consequences of 1980’s Church reorganization is that OSA intelligence and spying functions stayed within CSI. So long as no one spoke out about how the Sea Org was the secret government that controlled the Church, Miscavige could remain safe in RTC while secretly controlling CSI via his secret veil-piercing Sea Org comm line to OSA.

    Marty Rathbun and the Squirrel Busters blew this fiction apart.

    The Rathbun v. Miscavige lawsuit forced Miscavige to throw CSI under the bus. This happened when Church lawyers told the court that CSI was responsible for the Squirrel Busters.

    Miscavige then threw the Sea Org under the bus by having his attorney insist that it does not exist, cannot have members, etc. Yet, the Sea Org exists and Miscavige runs the Church in its entirety as Captain of the Sea Org. This is no different than saying that Miscavige runs the Church in its entirety because he controls the copyrights and trademarks.

    Perhaps a more clear statement is this: Sea Org member Captain David Miscavige controls all of Scientology through his unchallenged control of Scientology’s key copyrights and trademarks. These key copyrights and trademarks reside in RTC and only Sea Org members can staff RTC. Therefore, it is a legal fiction to say that the Sea Org does not exist because, as attorney Diexler wrote, “It is exclusively from the Sea Org that the senior leadership of Scientology is drawn.”

    Although this legal structure was created to be evasive and to isolate and protect Miscavige from any personal accountability for his actions and brutality, this same legal structure will, inevitably, be the quicksand that traps him and pulls him down beneath its depths into Hell itself.

    • Sid (Phil)

      Great analysis.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Now that is easy to understand. It didn’t go unnoticed how fast Miscavige threw CSI under the bus – almost at the start, followed by the Sea Org. What I wondered at the time, Jeff, is which of his personnel also found out about this – and also noticed just how fast his “loyalty” to his most dedicated was thrown down on the sacrificial alter.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am glad that you and Karen have Ray Jeffrey as your personal attorney.
      I am also glad that Leslie Hyman is a part of the Rathburn suit.

  • Alex De Valera

    Jeffrey’s remarks are always relevant. He is no namby pamby dilettante on these matters. What a pleasure to have such a nice article before going to bed. Kudos to Jeffrey and Tony. Der Bunker über alles! LOL

  • Rasha

    “…Now I encourage members and supporters to join and donate so we can clean up this as quickly as possible.”

    Yes… yes. This unprecedented, stratospheric expansion is getting way out of hand…..

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Like a tree falling in a forest when no-one is around to hear it, I wonder how loud is a stampede of no feet at all?

      • Rasha

        …so that’s what crickets sound like….

  • Susan B.

    I’m listening to Chris’ interview of Ms. Bernstein. I was reminded in the interview that if the story of Xenu is shared with someone that’s not ready for it the person can die!!!!!!! OMG!!! Any of you know if anyone that died? Where are their bodies? When they die do they get re-born or are their deaths different and permanent? I was never involved with Scientology but I’ve seen the South Park version of the Xenu story. Does that mean I’m going to die? What should I do with my body if I die? Will I have a vision of LRH, DM or TC as I die?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I think you’re going to be okay 🙂

      • Susan B.

        I finished listening to the interview. Fascinating stuff. Wow, it takes a lot to leave a cult and deal with the aftermath. There’s on place in Ohio for recovering cult members. Need one at least for each state I would think. Chris has really carved out a niche for himself.

        (Did I write that stuff above about Xenu? I don’t remember writing it. Ruh-roh!)

        • Eclipse-girl

          Not all states have a large scientology presence.
          In Wisconsin, we only have one lowly mission in a strip mall in Racine.

          • Allie

            Racine seems like a strange place for a mission.

          • Missionary Kid

            Have you gone by and checked to see if anyone ever goes in?

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not live close enough to just drive a few blocks or even 30 mins out of my way.
              It is a large part of the day activity.

    • Robert Eckert

      “I’ve seen the South Park version of the Xenu story” So you’ll just have to go through the South Park version of death. You’ll be fine next week.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwm9DvF24Ag

    • Eclipse-girl

      it was also stated you would get a case of pneumonia.
      if you haven’t got, I think you are good. 😉

  • Supper Powers

    Holy camoley. What is this about? Anyone know the story on this? I know I have reading comprehension problems sometimes, but I’m just totally lost on this one

    http://www.scientologyforyou.info/mystorybykathygold.html

    • Illinoisian

      It’s Scientology word salad served with an oddly flavored homemade dressing which claims to have been passed through the wall of fire.

    • Frodis73

      WTF? Look what she “wrote” about Paulette:

      Paulette Cooper played the chase with LRH, his wife went after her. It was
      wrong on Paulette’s end. Doing the chase with a married man. Out 2d on her
      part, he had her investigated, wanted to see if she was fucking her shrink
      LMAO Paulette Cooper was born in a concentration camp, she is or isn’t a
      past life nazi, I have no idea but I do know that she attacked him as the
      author of this book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_You_Lived_Before_This_Life
      and she assumes, the countess krak character was about her LMAO you have
      to admit she was hot in her day LMAO

      But she’s not an artist, she wrote a few books about animals and her experience
      with Scientology LMAO

      I really hope English is not her first language and that is her excus because this website is incomprehensible.

      • Supper Powers

        Since CoS is always worse than you think, I wonder if there’s any truth to this gem:
        “The special project to get OT9 and OT10 released consisted of getting trained in martial arts and going and kidnapping the SP’s and auditing them. I was like that’s my game. Let’s go.”

        • Frodis73

          Oh gawd, the horror. This chick is severely mentally ill.

          • Shanester

            She does come across as mentally ill; however, she has too many LMAOs.

            I call troll.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        The latest example of why I fear for the sanity of anyone who gets mixed up with $cientology.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Hateful, disgusting person.

      • Rasha

        “LMAO”….. you keep using that word…. I do not think it means what you think it means…..

      • Eclipse-girl

        I went there.
        I should not have.

        The women is nuts.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I always take a blogger who peppers their writings with “lol” and “LOL” extra-seriously.

      • Supper Powers

        She seems severely mentally ill. It’s truly bizarre.

        • Sherbet

          If I were Nikki Sixx, I’d hire an extra bodyguard. And is it Jett Travolta who’s the love of her life? She’s really sick. I feel bad for her.

          • Frodis73

            Oh, I missed the Nikki Sixx bit. I had to stop reading…they crazy was making me crazy.

            • Sherbet

              She talks to dead people and has given birth to children with celebrities in past lives…poor soul is very sick.

          • Frodis73

            Wow. This is kinda fascinating in a sick way.

    • salin

      Crazy indie. Psst Kathy – the copies are all available on Operation Clambake, not to bust your attempt to raise one million dollars and your ‘transparent’ plan for how you spend your money. *cough**crazy**cough*

      • Sherbet

        I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt and contribute to her gofundme campaign. Good grief, I can’t even type that with a straight face. The woman is all over the place, poor thing.

        • Frodis73

          LOL! I think I will donate to her too. Oh my. I just read her story about them doing what they did to Lisa…that was interesting. I can’t believe we have never seen this before. She’s like that Barbara chick…the one in love with Marty.

          • Sherbet

            Yes. Really unbalanced. Another tribute to the success of scientology for mental health.

    • romanesco

      Weirdo. Scientology probably holds a lien on their mental disability allowance.

    • Sherbet

      “After this planet, there won’t be Psychiatry or Scientology ever again. Psychiatry and Scientology belong in implant stations, jail not medical.” Nice typo! YES, scientology does belong in jail.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh no. She is really messed up.

    • Libertylover

      This lady is really messed up, her blog is so depressing. I wonder if Scientology made her like that or she already was batshit crazy. She sounds like a liar too and her stories don’t make any sense much, she is delusional.
      Ironic because she really needs the Psychiatric help and rejects it completely. Scientology won’t help her in or out.
      If I saw her, I would run as most likely she strikes out against anyone trying to help her. This is depressing stuff.

      • Supper Powers

        She needs help, not CoS. Same as Lisa.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    The irony – it burns…

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Children’s Home Society of Florida was the Spotlighted #Charity at today’s Charity Coalition Luncheon at the Fort Harrison in Downtown @MyClearwater.”
    #MomsHelpingMoms #MOMincFL #childrenshomesociety

    https://www.instagram.com/p/-ztBWclIhD/?taken-at=214814431

    • Supper Powers

      *vomits*

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thank you for the lovely bedtime reading, Pan 🙂

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Karen has shared this link – Church of Scientology DMCA Takedown of Scientolipedia.

    http://scientolipedia.org/info/Church_of_Scientology_DMCA_Takedown_of_Scientolipedia

    • Mockingbird

      Great.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        The site is back up again, though 🙂

        • Mockingbird

          Good news.

    • Rasha

      Of course – critics should be silenced, not disproved. Always attack, never defend.

  • One Who Cares

    Hi Again,
    This is an invitation to come to the NY Org, as for me by my screen name and I’ll be happy to give you a tour and answer any questions you have. There will be no hard sell, I promise.

    The Address:

    227 West 46th Street

    New York, NY 10036

    • Shanester

      Speaking of trolls…

      Captain Howdy says hello.

      • Rasha
      • salin

        O/t – the local paper wrote an editorial that was a tribute to my Mom – and it drew from the article that you found for me. Thanks again.

        • Sherbet

          I’m sure you want to remain anonymous, but I know your Bunker friends would have loved to have read it.

          • salin

            It’s behind a paywall (darn local paper). That gives me an idea, I could ask if the funeral home who houses a page (with her obituary) would post a pdf of the editorial. I’ll see if I can get that done tomorrow and will link it. Thanks.

            • Sherbet

              OK, but your identity will be public.

            • salin

              I think I am really wee and tiny potatoes per concern by OSA or anyone likely to even care enough to try to identify me. I don’t think there is an org or mission within a 150 mile radius (since we have established that the one’s in Indy are defunct.) 😀

            • daisy

              Please do Skype for a short while, I would like to meet you all.

            • salin

              Not a Skyper, yet. Maybe someday I’ll take the time and patience to attempt to figure it out.

            • daisy

              I am sure someone can teach you there. it doesn’t even cost money.

            • Sandy

              I read it – no pay wall. Wonderful story of brave, lovely woman.

            • salin

              The editorial (Bloomington paper?) or the 2003 article (which Shanester will post).

            • Sandy

              Shanester’s post, I think

            • salin

              Hey you got me to check and not assume. Unfortunately the local paper is cheap – and checking – I just hit the paywall. *shrug*

            • Sandy

              She sounds like my kinda woman. Would have loved to have met her – for sure.

            • salin

              If you are able to come to HowdyCon and you can at least meet her daughter.

            • Shanester

              Can I post the link to the 2003 article (that I found for you)? That’s a great read, particularly for a bleeding heart liberal like myself, but definitely for anybody who wants to see a real example of integrity (in diametric opposition to Scientology’s “most ethical people on the planet”).

            • salin

              Please. I am digging around in my gmail which is now getting buried with a lot of excess email. Thank you.

            • Shanester
            • salin

              She does. And she is still finding a way to give me strength in this transition. One foot in front of the other – and to the Bunker when I need distraction. 😀

            • Sherbet

              salin, what a wonderful woman. Thank you, Shanester, for posting the article. Now, more than ever, we need peace and people who promote peace. Your family must be so proud of your Mom’s legacy.

            • salin

              We are. And who at 86 agrees to co-raise a golden retriever puppy (who is now a dog that is lying at my feet) with her (Mom’s) gentleness and grace? Wow – you guys are getting me to smile rather than sit with a huge lump in my throat. That’s a break through. Even if I mostly get lumps in the throat at memories for a while – knowing that bask in warm memory and smile (and comfort) is so close at hand, wow.

            • Sherbet

              You’re among compassionate people, unlike those in room 174. We care about you.

            • Frodis73

              That is so awesome! I wish I could have met her, she sounds like my kind of woman. I see where you get your passion and sense of justice from.

            • salin

              Well, in my dream – while she wasn’t in it – since we figured out that you lived two doors down, she certainly must have joined us for coffee.

            • Frodis73

              We met on a metaphysical plane…I’ll take it!

            • 2theMax2

              You’re a very fortunate individual, salin.

              And keep the smile running. Because what is most wonderful about her admirable self lives on through you all, whom she left behind. Her strength of character, her thinking, feeling, perceiving, is alive in you as a part of you, in your family, as a part of each one.

            • salin

              Thank you 2theMax2.

            • Allie

              A beautiful tribute to your mother. She sounds amazing, with such spirit and heart
              and integrity. Bless her heart. I would have loved to protest beside her.
              (((Hugs)))

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              “I would have loved to protest beside her.”

              Ditto 🙂

            • daisy

              Salin your grace and dignity give me strength., so your mom is helping the bunker citizens too. Oh I see by the post below your mom was an activist. You must be so proud.

            • salin

              Funny, she would never have given herself the term ‘activist’. She just acted. And acted. And acted. 😀 (That smile is my pride.) Love your Mom.

              Get her to talk to you about her life – memories, things she was concerned about (many people do ‘acting’ in their life even when they aren’t consciously ‘acting’). Mom’s short term memory was sometimes malfunctioning – and she found humor in coping with that (most of the time, sometimes frustration) – but her long term memory was sharp. I learned a lot in the past year.

              Hugs. Remember lots of hugs.

              Thanks for your gracious support. And I while we had some moments of frustration and sometimes cross words (mother-daughter – it’s part of the terrain, esp. in this part of the life cycle), we also found laughter, joint goals (our short walks), and in that we found moments of joy.

              The day before her stroke there was a brief snow with big flakes. We took the dog out (just over a year old) not just to do ‘his business’ to watch him respond to the huge snow flakes. We got our coats, stood out with him as he chased and jumped trying to catch the flakes. That was the type of moments of shared joy – appreciation of living in that moment.

              Wow – way more than I meant to say. Sorry that I moved into ‘teacher’ mode/tone. Just giving advice to what I am holding onto tightly when it is suddenly really quiet in the house.

              Good night, and hugs to you.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              This is Salin’s mum? I would have loved her! How proud the family must have been. How lovely.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Mama Salin was good people, like her daughter.

              So glad you have this as part of her legacy, Salin. Shanester, you’re a doll for helping find it. Good people all around here.

            • daisy

              Please do if you can I would really be interested in reading it too.

        • Shanester

          That’s wonderful to hear! I’m really happy I was able to help. Your mom sounds like she was an awesome lady. 😎

          • salin

            She was. I am so very lucky. Thanks.

        • daisy

          Please excuse the confusion, I read the article. Was your mom an activist or the women in the article who was like your mom.

          • salin

            The article was about Mom in the time before the Iraq invasion. It was written locally, and then picked up by the (national) progressive news site Common Dreams.

            • daisy

              What a legacy.

    • Sandy

      Don’t give this one more air time. She is fucking with ya’ll

      • Always Amazed

        ^^^^

      • One Who Cares

        Yet I’m being nice and you’re all being aggressive. Ironic isn’t it and proves my point.

        • Always Amazed

          Aggressive? Haha what’s a matter?don’t like to be ignored? you had your “really beeeg shoooow” last night.

    • Robert Eckert

      But the master will not approve

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEOYQYhWSoI

    • salin

      You kidder, OWC, no hard sell. *chuckle*.

      Fun little recent video from a young lady invited to a comedy show at the CC in LA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLlFSPh6wME

      • salin

        Plug for the video above. I found it yesterday. Her descriptions are really funny.

    • OOkpik

      Give it up, One Who Cares. We know better.

      • Always Amazed

        Yeah, it was only funny yesterday

    • nottrue

      We have alot of people here in the Bunker who were scientologists for 10, 20, 30 years and you are going to teach them something. We have OT’s of all levels and high ranked auditors here who really know what is up. We have people here who knew LRH and worked with him. Come in for a tour and read a book don’t work here. What no reply…..You are just a troll and not a very good one..And by the way Merry Christmas

    • One Human

      OWC / JL, did the reg’s get to you?
      In the name of Living Color, give it up already.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Can I pass out copies of the OT levels to the staff? Since it’s the holidays I thought I might save them some money.

      • OOkpik

        Awww. Cute avi.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Was thinking of getting the handwritten OT III custom printed on tp, that way we can kill two birds with one stone 🙂 (and the lucky sea ogres will have something worthwhile to wipe their arses with!)

    • Amy Forsythe

      What’s better for you, 2 or 3 o’clock?

    • Frodis73

      Who should we ask for the tour?
      eta-oh, so we should ask for you by screen name…lol.

    • Missionary Kid

      Can a declared SP join you for a tour of the Org?

    • Nat-leficent

      You aren’t even a Scientologist XD

    • Sejanus

      My first question would be….
      why is this building so damn empty?…lol

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Careful, now – pneumonia 🙂

  • Spike Robinson

    This goes out to all you folks at le Bunker:

    https://youtu.be/rMfCMSmJRXQ

    More to come.

  • Observer

    Mr O won’t be coming home tonight after all. He had a couple of bouts of rather violent upchucking, so they’re keeping him another night just to be on the safe side.

    • A bird in the chimney

      🙁

      Good they’re being cautious. Continued well wishes going your way!

    • daisy

      POOR FELLOW.

      • Rasha

        He’s got Obs….. oh, and professionally trained physicians and nurses, as well, but he does have Obs.

    • salin

      So sorry – hugs to you both. Definitely safe and stable is important.

      • Observer

        Absolutely!

    • Sherbet

      Oh, sorry to hear that. How are you doing?

      • Observer

        I’m beat. I could go to bed right now.

        • Sherbet

          Work had been stressful, and now this. Hang on.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Can you sleep in the room?

        • Rasha
          • ze moo

            I love the ‘Mission Earth’ logo in the back!!

            • Rasha

              IKR!!!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      He must feel awful 🙁 Do they think it’s a reaction to the anaesthesia?

      • Observer

        Yes. They have him on some really strong anti-nausea drug, and he is completely whacked out. Good thing I took tomorrow off!

    • Rasha

      Best wishes to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! …and you too! (hugs brain pan)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      II am sorry he can’t go home yet. But I am glad they are keeping him where they can keep an eye on him.

    • OOkpik

      Good lord. That’s gotta hurt. So sorry. <3

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sorry to hear – but better in the morning – try and get lots of rest tonight!

    • Illinoisian

      Hang in there. It’s disappointing but best they watch him. With the anti-nausea meds he’ll settle down and rest. Hope *you* can get some decent rest.

      • Observer

        I don’t think that will be a problem. Haha

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am very sorry to hear that.

      will you stay until they kick you out?

      It is always better to be safe.

      (((HUGS))))

      • Observer

        I’m home already. I came back to take care of Observerhund and was going to return, but Mr Observer just called and told me they’re keeping him.

        • Sherbet

          He’s in good hands. Cuddle up with ‘hund and get some sleep.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Sherb is right.
          You need the rest.
          I hope Mr O can understand.
          Does he have a book to read or other entertainment?

          • Sherbet

            He’ll probably be zonked off and on tonight. Tomorrow will be better all around.

          • Observer

            He’s stoned out of his gourd on the anti-nausea drug and morphine, so I think he’s set for the evening. lol

            • Sherbet

              Walk away from the Bunker, and close those eyes, Obs.

            • Observer

              I’m eating dinner. SPs are the best dinner company!

    • Always Amazed

      You could probably use the extra night of worry free (for lack of a better the word) sleep. I hope he continues to improve. Don’t forget to take care of you.;)

    • Nat-leficent

      🙁 I hates upchucking.

      • Observer

        Especially right after having some guts removed. Poor guy. 🙁

    • Robert Eckert

      Keeping him for Observation?

      • Sherbet

        Ho ho! Well done.

  • Always Amazed

    She can’t walk, her body is OBVIOUSLY shutting down, and Rita gives her a sweater. Fanfreakingtastic!

    I feel like I cannot take two more days of this, yet if Lisa lived it, I can survive the retelling of this tragic story. It makes me cry , it makes me physically sick and angry as all hell. I so wish she was alive today, this is murder via torture.

    • Rasha

      Yes.

    • yes. me too. my heart is breaking and breaking.

  • One Who Cares

    Yet I’m being nice and you’re all being aggressive. Ironic isn’t it and proves my point again and again.

    • romanesco

      Thieves like you–again and again.

    • OOkpik

      You are being nice. We are responding in frustration to your close-mindedness and naivete.

    • Robert Eckert

      You forgot to tell us that we’re in a cult.

      • Sejanus

        or bigots…lol

    • 2theMax2

      F5/refresh

    • romanesco

      You don’t sound nice at all. You sound like a sanctimonious snothead. Worse, if you are promoting Scientology, you’re simply refusing to do your homework. Shame on you. If you want to be called “One Who Cares,” start caring about somebody other than yourself for a change, okay?

      • Always Amazed

        Dont get too worked up Roman..after yesterday, it seems obvious owc is very possibly mere troll (or a no longer funny sock) hehe

        • romanesco

          OIC :/

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am not being aggressive but have you seen Going Clear? What do you think about it? And did you read Leah Remini’s book? You may as well do those things if you are going to comment here.

    • nottrue

      Like I said…

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Hi. Tell us all about yourself. Just pretend it’s a sec check. You know what to do.

      “The good Sec Checker is marked by his thoroughness, his willingness to pry, his swinish suspicion. He’s a believer in the meter and little else when he is on the trail of a pc’s withhold.” L. Ron Hubbard.

      We here in the bunker feel it is only appropriate to provide the lurking or trolling Scientologist with a comfortable and familiar experience quite similar to those they are experiencing within the cult.

      It’s for your own good.

    • Nat-leficent
    • One Human

      If you need someone to uncompromisingly agree with you, seek out ‘elle’ or ‘in a fine fettle’.
      If you check my comment history, I have commented to them recently.

    • Amy Forsythe

      How did you think we’d react….we’re SP’s for crying out loud!

    • You’re point is what exactly? That you’re a failed trolled, who’s trying again and we aren’t falling for it? Be nice and fuck off.

    • Libertylover

      Your name sounds like the title for a whiny blog that people write about their relationships they are in, with people who obviously don’t care about them.
      Just like them, you may be looking for love in the wrong place and so instead of complaining just get away from the situation where you aren’t appreciated. Best of luck and happy hunting, brighter days ahead friend.

  • Mark

    CONGRATULATIONS! All but one of the Brighton knocking-shop mission ads on Gumtree UK have been taken down—armchair activism still works! And in just 4 hours!

    The only one left is at https://www.gumtree.com/p/groups-associations/how-can-i-succeed-better-in-life-/1144597620 if you still feel like expressing your contempt for this vile racket via the grey ‘Report’ button. Well played, the Bunker!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am glad we got some 5 of 6 off.
      I hope the next one comes off within minutes

      • Mark

        They’ll have to go back to SCOTOS (the Old Steine) if they want to get any dough out of Brighton 😉

    • outraged

      Done! I let them know Scientology is very dangerous for children and vulnerable adults, among others.

  • I am being aggressive and you’re all being nice. What the pointless fuck?! Ironic. Whatev.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I come in here proclaiming the virtues of Scientology and you people dare to ask me simple questions!

      Troll Kitty laughs…

  • Nat-leficent

    I’m so nice nice nice! Watch me kick your kittens sooo nicely XD

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • 2theMax2

        God- the cute is nearly unbearable. 😀

    • noseinabk
    • romanesco

      ROFL!

    • Jimmy3

      I am being so fucking aggressive and you are being super nice about it. Go fuck yourself.

      • Observer

        ..

        • Rasha

          You owe me a keyboard and a VBN……

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          That’s hilarious.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Get some sleep = you’ll need it tomorrow 🙂

          • Rasha

            See vid below. Obs is overtired…. ^_^

        • Robert Eckert

          “You’re a dog, Illuminati, and a pain to meet on the streets of this basically clean town!” — Benjamin Franklin

      • Nat-leficent

        You should come to my org and ask for me by my screen name even though I’m just some catfish pretending to be a Scio.

        The Address:

        666 West Fake Street

        New York, I’ve never even been to NY 55555555

        • Jimmy3

          K. I’ll hop on the next L.

    • kemist

      Well, as long as you’re polite about it… I guess it’s ok.

  • Sandy

    I am pretty sure I do not get these comments in the correct order sometimes. Cuz – they just don’t make sense.

    • Shanester

      You have to sort by oldest for them to make sense. But then you have to go scrolling through pages of comments to get to the one you want.

      Of course you can also sort by newest and read from the bottom child comment (the first) to the top.

      Edit: Never mind. Andrea divined the true source of Sandy’s consternation.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Sometimes people choose not to respond directly to a troll, instead posting a stand-alone comment. That way they can make a point without giving the troll the attention they crave.

      • Shanester

        Oh, I get it. That makes sense. Anti-Troll Tech FTW!

    • Rasha

      Ignore mine. Seriously. 😉

      • romanesco

        [snickers softly]

        • Rasha

          [smiles while reaching for nailgun clip in backpack]

          • romanesco

            Owwwch!

            • Rasha

              XD

      • Robert Eckert

        Me give rock

    • One Human

      Knock knock…..

      • Rasha

        Orange ya glad I didn’t say ‘banana’ again?

        • One Human

          Cows….

          • Rasha

            Who’s there?

            • Always Amazed

              3rd Base!

          • romanesco

            It’s owls that go “who,” not cows.

            • One Human

              No, cows moo.

            • Rasha

              No owls moo.

            • One Human

              But do fish swim?

            • Rasha

              Deux fish tango. It takes that many.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Perry’s found another cool bit of tat on eBay. This one’s signed by Hubbard, adding upwards of £2 to the value.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCIENTOLOGY-E-METER-IN-GOLD-METAL-ZERO-HALLIBURTON-CASE-SIGNED-BY-L-RON-HUBBARD-/111840086147?hash=item1a0a304883%3Ag%3A-NIAAOSwAKxWX8yy

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ll give $.02 for it, and another nickel for shipping.

      • Nat-leficent

        Too much!

        • Missionary Kid

          It would get it off the market.

        • salin

          Pay me $20 and I will receive, and take to dispose of it in some kind of compactor.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am still mad someone here did not get one of the bowling tropheys

    • IF that’s his actual signature. He had people trained to sign his letters for him and people who could perfectly duplicate his signature. I never got it verified, but heard he didn’t even sign his contract for “Revolt in the Stars” in which he would’ve gotten paid $666,000 on first day of principal photography, if the movie had been made. (I read the contract, no signature on it, read it in the law firm in Beverly Hills.)

    • 2theMax2

      Hubbard’s cheaply made e-meters can’t touch this; this Easy Bake Oven.

      But his Long Con is based on individuals betting their ‘eternity’ that the dang thing is doing everything Hubbard claimed for it. That clinches the deal for the “believer.” That’s the Close, on his grabbing a hold of someone’s ‘everything.’

  • flyonthewall

    Tkts for TOOL in STL go on sale tomorrow. Wish me luck

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LvAPabwDGg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Good luck!

    • A bird in the chimney

      I was eyeballing their tour cities/dates but don’t think I can make it work — I’m counting on you to live vicariously through!

    • aquaclara

      Good luck,
      ML,
      Aqua

      PS I stuck in that ML stuff to see if our Participation Trophy troll, er, participant is still allowed to visit, or if the dumpster-toothbrush scrubbing duty beckoned instead.

  • Fabulous headline, Jeffrey. “Old and sick Sea Org members are fitness boarded, given $500, and then shown the door.” Wow, the cult has come way up in the world. Last time I knew anyone who got sent off to die (like Sally Chaleff Esterman who had cancer), I don’t think they gave such a large payout. Do they also let the person ride with Lil Davey to Vegas and try to turn that money into something?

    • J. Swift

      Skip, it is brutal. My friend Ladybird — the late Laurie Konneus — had this happen to her. Literally kicked to the curb with $500 after decades of SO service. The Cult calls the $500 “severance pay” and the SO member has to sign a contract stating it is adequate severance. There is policy on this.

      • Their evil is so repetitively stunning it can almost make you numb, but I won’t let it. Sorry about your friend.

        • J. Swift

          Their evil is so repetitively stunning it can almost make you numb, but I won’t let it.

          Agree with you 100%.

  • Rasha

    Need to get some positive yin to balance today’s yang. Off to blast some Perfume music vids. Don’t wanna vidflood the Bunker, but “Nee”, “Spending All My Time” and “Spring Of Life” are such positive energy.

    Edit: NVM, here.

    Hey, hey, hey, hey, where are we going today?
    Hey, hey, hey, hey, piling up our memories
    Hey, hey, hey, hey, where are we going tomorrow (going tomorrow)?
    If I’m with you, wherever the destination, it’ll change into something special………..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbeGeXgjh9Q

    • 2theMax2

      Groovy ! Kinda like The Spice Girls from the Far East.

      • Rasha

        Luv me mah Perfume. <3

  • “People who care” post in the Bunker, but Bunkerites are SP smart asses. Again and again.

    • Rasha

      How can one person be “People”? Hmmmm. Rasha suspicious. Need downvote rock.

    • I don’t get how we called them out on the JAZZLOVER impersonation and yet now they changed their disqus user name and we’re suppose to forget that and play along?? SMDH……

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I haven’t watched any of this so I’m just leaving it here.

    https://youtu.be/B4ndOUdbEiI

    • Rasha

      Couldn’t hear it over “One Room Disco”. Gettin’ my Yin on…..

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I like it! It makes me realise how much I need a kettle to keep my lady stuffs in.

        ETA. Hmm. Hasten to add that I am referring to perfume, lipstick and mirror. And the fact that the girl in the video was using a kettle as a handbag!

        • Rasha

          …just watch out for those apples…. ^_^

        • Supper Powers

          Thank you for the explanation. I was gobsmacked for a moment.

          • Rasha

            …still laughing…… XD

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Chucklesnort!

    • salin

      blah blah blah false religion… cross over with other false religions like Mormonism, Hinduism, Catholicism…because they have a lot of the same false ideas of Scientology… blah blah blah.

      Can’t make myself listen past the 1:10 point.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Yep, I assume it will probably be appalling. It was posted on SPs and seemed to be something new so I thought I’d quickly cross-post it before hitting my bed. But I’ve been distracted by a fantastic interview on the Lip TV which is 56 mins long 🙂

    • Libertylover

      Sanctimonious preacher video. He has a lot of his facts right though. I see he exposes a lot of other religions too.

      I have seen a lot of this in person when I was younger, everyone else is wrong, we are the right religion/sect. The more fundamental the church, the more they attack others including other Christian churches like Catholicism etc.
      Personally I find it ironic they all laugh just like in the Scientology videos that you can hear the audience. They fail to see that their own beliefs are magical thinking too. I’m an atheist though so I don’t put much store into any of them, but believe what you want, just don’t hurt anyone.
      If I were to get religion (unlikely) I would concentrate on preaching the similarities that all humans share, feel and believe, because we all share way more than the tiny differences these churches put so much emphasis on.

    • Qbird

      I listened to the whole thing. Intense Baptist Sermon… Heavy on New Testament scripture. He’s not perfectly accurate on his scn lingo, but gets the gist as only a serious true believer wog® preacher can; he hits on many major points that discredit the CoS. Bible based Christianity vs. Scn., Inc. — just another false religion.
      To this young preacher man, all the other religions {except his} are false.

      Who is this Arizona preacher man? You know his name, iBetty?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Wow, taking one for the team, Q!

        I don’t know anything about him, actually. I was just getting ready to close down and go to bed when it was posted at SPs and I thought I would quickly cross-post it here. Then I got caught in a vigorous Lip TV spiral and it’s now 4am. There’s very little point in going to bed 🙂

        • Qbird

          S. Anderson is the name I found on another sermon. Will search on more maybe.

          You, You! You go to bed iBetty, ya gotta catch a few ZZZZzzzzz’s.
          Yer brain needs it sweetheart.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Your sensible words came just as Allison and Ebner were winding down so I’m going to heed your advice, put on my warmest jammies, climb in to bed and ask Santa for snow.

            Sweet dreams, birdie 🙂

          • salin

            Thanks. Am familiar with the name of some of these extremist fundie ministers from other news reading. Not familiar with this guy.

        • Tony Ortega

          He’s one of the most vile scumbags currently preaching in the US, and is known for his horrendous sermons about killing gays, etc.

          He’s a shitbag.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Amazing how someone so vile can look so normal. I bet he works on that. Thank you, Tony. Allison and Ebner are fantastic in the latest show.

          • salin

            Ugh. Glad I didn’t listen to more than 1 min. Who is he?

          • One Human

            Is this the storefront preacher with near a dozen kids?

          • J. Swift

            Fred Phelps died last year and so now this nasty Baptist monster wants to fill the vacuum.

        • salin

          Get some rest. Even a bit of dosing will leave you better in the am.

  • Rasha

    Tony! We need 3 good music vids for the Bunker. Whaddya recommend?

    • salin

      Don’t know why but Joan Osborne ‘One of Us’ is buzzing in my ear. Who needs to be alone with an earbug? Shared earbugs are so much more fun.

      • Rasha

        Like, “Tom’s Diner”… Just sayin’

        • salin

          That too!

    • aquaclara

      WWCHS?

      Translated, this is “what would Captain Howdy say?”

      • Rasha

        Truly, I wish I had known the Captain. I trust we’ll nae see his like for a’time….

  • came in late… did I miss anything?

    new bollocks https://www.scientologybollocks.com/?p=6780

    bonus gif they’re really watching http://i.imgur.com/568X3I7.gif

    • Rasha

      The usual. LOLCUBS!!!!!!!! <3

    • Love the piece on Jaden. This is gonna be good . . .

  • 2theMax2

    The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys

    The players:
    Steve Winwood – guitar, lead vocals, piano, organ
    Chris Wood – saxophone, flute
    Jim Capaldi – percussion, lead vocals, backing vocals
    Ric Grech – bass, violin
    Jim Gordon – drums

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZH0t5Yozw#t=1m18s

    • One Human

      Oooohh, the good shit!!

    • oknow

      Soooo good!

    • daytoncapri

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W72vtfwzCXE I actively follow this Estonian group by the same name. This one is a novelty video which includes one of its very well-known male singers in drag.

  • a little snark joke on an old episode of Family Guy I missed first time round

    pic

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    OT but so adorable. 7 year old boy chosen to sing the Australian national anthem before a game gets hiccups but powers on through.

    ETA. Thank you, Mr Eckert 🙂

    https://youtu.be/0S23xyazk90

    • Amy Forsythe

      That was great, thank you!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Little trooper 🙂

  • Tis the season for looking up christmas light videos on youtube…..rammstein du hast….cuz yes, that’s christmas music when the lights are synched 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MOPfePkJDU

    and holy shit! done for a halloween display and damn would i love to see that in person!!! that’s my kind of halloween display!!! 😀 Rammstein—-music for all holidays 😉

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnEsEamY5Y4

    • Frodis73

      Ha! F x-mas, the Halloween display kicks ass!!

      • isn’t that just awesome??? oh look, that house also had a rob zombie song that year too for halloween…they do halloween RIGHT!!!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUsDYgZoZs

        • Frodis73

          I just found that one too. I want to go hang out and help this guy create next year.

        • Frodis73

          Halloween and industrial music…doesn’t get much better than that.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Woot! Mark Ebner’s new interview with Allison Hope Weiner just went up.

    PS. It’s not OT because Allison said the word “Scientology” at the 44 second mark 😀

    https://youtu.be/t47HWW-upss

    • Libertylover

      Awesome thanks, for posting.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ebner! Always fun when Allison has him on.

      • Butch and I invited him to lunch when were last in L.A. We had a great time with him, and he’s exactly who I expected he’d be. A super gutsy, smart and funny guy, and one of my favorite players in this weird and wonderful endeavor of ours.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I feel how my daughter might have felt at being left out of a lunch with Bieber. It’s okay to have journalists for pin-ups at my age, right?

          • Supper Powers

            Oh hell yes!

          • I get it, that’s how I felt seeing all those delicious SPs with you in London. I go all fanboi around a very odd and eccletic group of people. I’m going to get to meet Carolyn Porco, the scientist in charge of Cassini’s imaging program this spring. That meeting will pretty much peg my Fanboiometer.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              How amazing!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I say yes.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Aw, this fangirl is jeal-ous! He’s long impressed me as someone with both passion and compassion for the world, who genuinely cares about the truth, and who has zero time for bullshit. I’m glad to hear he’s as lovely as he seems.

  • Reposting as I put in yesterdays psot:

    Did this and tweeted it to Lego… didn’t somebody else have a terrific letter they sent to them and posted here… if someone could repost or link to it that would be nice

    • the tweet….

      • aquaclara

        Terrific. I think they DO believe we’ve forgotten, and that this will die by Monday. I’m planning more then.

        • Juicer77

          This ^^^
          It will NOT go away, Legoland.

  • Wow. This sounds painfully familiar:

    “They manipulate so well, these girls won’t believe they’re trafficked, ever.
    Even if you get a girl away from a situation, drag the girls out, and rescue them,
    it takes years for girls to realize they’re trafficked. What is trafficking when your whole family has been doing it?”
    http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2056-5-things-you-learn-as-sex-trafficking-victim-in-usa.html

    Scientologists are groomed too.

    • And this:

      “In the United States, keeping a person trafficked is a matter of constant vigilance (“There was always someone watching me,” says Christina). The process is often strangely cult-like, including total isolation from the outside world.”

      • salin

        *tears*

        • I am sorry.

          • salin

            Don’t be. Not your fault.

            It is the conditions that we humans can force others to live in. For some, dehumanization is almost in their human nature.

            Our tears come from that place deep within, that for many, is also part of our human nature – the holding dear the dignity (and beauty of that dignity) of individual humans. Same space that finds the drawn out indignity and life threatening/sapping wrought upon Lisa so hard to read and so outraging to spur voice and action.

  • Because this blog needs some Bon Jovi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJyK7Wpv2Yc

    • Vaquera

      Breaks my heart in the best of ways.

  • Supper Powers

    This makes me laugh.
    Refresh for some pizza powers

    • i’m gonna assume there’s a F5 involved or you’re just laughing for the heck of it? 🙂

      • Supper Powers

        Damn. Yes. I forget to mention that a lot!

  • Andrea, why are you still up?

    • Vaquera

      Ditto, Dodo.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Because I am a hardened gamer who is used to pulling essential all-nighters with my gaming buddies, when partners and other-halves have given them one night of freedom and we know we’re on the clock. And on that note…zzzZZZ…sweet dreams, darling Dodo. Hopefully good news about Mr Observer in the morning 🙂

      • Vaquera

        In all of this time, I missed that you are a gamer gal.
        All of the layers that make us who we are.
        Hugs….

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          So is Observer 🙂 Hugs right back, V.

          • Vaquera

            Tuck in, darlin’.

      • Sweet dreams right back at you.

  • Vaquera
    • Supper Powers

      We have very similar record collections. Love her.

      • Vaquera

        xoxo

      • Vaquera

        Record collections….laughing as I both acknowledge and confirm our age.

  • Didn’t take the fuckers long to cash on on the San Bernardino shootings… admittedly it’s paid for PR from their puppet “PR Newswire”…. I know, I know… but this time I’m including the link as the site has included a questionnaire of what you think about the site…. looking back my responses were pretty weak and unLushWorthy!

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/at-san-bernardino-prayer-vigil-scientology-minister-decries-senseless-violence-urges-tolerance-300188088.html

    pics

      • … and for those who don’t understand why so many people hate the Daily Mail

        pic

        • Robert Eckert

          That’s actually a good summation of what we know now about this difficult story.

          • but there’s a way of writing a headline…. comparison

            pic

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Using the not-even-cold-yet corpses of the shooting victims as a soapbox to spout LRH’s anti-psychiatry bullshit. This is truly vile. UGH!

      “All too often we find the perpetrators of mass killings are on
      drugs—either psychiatric drugs or street drugs.” He asked that the
      autopsies be made available so the truth of what lies behind this
      massacre can be understood.”

  • haven’t posted a music video for a long while…. one of my all time favourite groups new video… [I love this]

    https://youtu.be/QtXby3twMmI

  • Robert Eckert

    Today at a conference of Jewish Republicans, Ben Carson promised to keep them safe from the terrorists of Hummus. Donald Trump said they had a lot in common, since he’s great at negotiating for money, just like “you people”.

    I wish I were joking.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I wish you were joking too.

    • kemist

      Oh lord.

      *facepalm*

    • outraged

      Trump pretty much views the whole world as “you people”.

    • Juicer77

      On behalf of all Americans to the world. I’m so very, very ashamed.

      • Frodis73

        Yes. Wtf?

        • Juicer77

          Instead of the race for the Presidency, it has become the Race To Idiocy.

  • outraged

    So mapquest has a site where you can find out how to avoid The Donald.

    http://www.mapquest.com/avoidtrump/

    Maybe they can do one that tells the world how to avoid any and all Scientology events, buildings, ships, conferences, festivals, stores, meetings, ad infinauseum.

    • Tony Ortega

      That’s a fun idea, but probably unnecessary.

      At this point, you’re probably more apt to be hit by lightning than to run into an active member of the Church of Scientology.

      • Rasha

        The constant mailings make you think they’re there…… Still, they get the fireplace going, so there’s that.

      • outraged

        Perhaps instead map out the locations of legal suits, closed Narconons, empty buildings, offices, and sinking ships. The Demise Of Scientology, state by state, country by country.

        Live viewing of #TheEndofScientology

  • StudentOfLife

    By the way, Jeffrey Augustine should be nicknamed the Grim Reaper for how he makes the Scilon attorneys feel regarding his exposes of David Miscavige and L. Ron Hubbard every time he appears with an article. He cuts a wide swath of destruction and pending death to the cult of LieIntology with his sharp cutting two edged sword when he dips it in ink and carves out a story that cuts straight to the bone. We should maybe one evening have a nickname contest for all the great scientology warriors. Maybe use Super Heroes and historical or fictional characters, Chris Shelton could be The Thinker (the Rodin statue, remember Dobie Gillis, lol), Tory MaGoo could maybe be the Invisible Girl because she has so much inside information as if she is still looking from the inside out, our Proprietor would be The Undertaker (he’s building the coffin for all the evil to be in one place), Rinder could be the Archer, for his arrows fly straight and never miss, Karen would be Wonder Woman, Just thinking in metaphorical images as I got excited by the new Batman vs Superman trailer and realized that Jeffrey Augustine continues to beat up scientology and provide great fodder for future lawsuit strategies.

    Trying to catch up with two days of posts. Just realized when I post a pic or a video, I need to type F5. I always wondered why I would see those F5’s in comments all the time. You guys are so far ahead of me sometimes in keeping up with this matrix and putting all the pieces of the puzzle together I sometimes feel like I wasted my Masters Degree, lol.

    • Tony Ortega

      Luke Y. Thompson already dubbed me Latino Heat way back in like 2001.

    • Sid (Phil)

      Sometimes nicknames can be cool. I remember when I was a kid at summer camp and the first night we were all sitting around the campfire. The counsellor went around person to person and everyone was supposed to think of a nickname for that individual based on their personality. There were about 20 to 25 of us so it took a while. I think I was about 3 or 4 from the end. When they got to me there was silence. Not even any bad suggestions. After a few awkward minutes they moved on to the next kid. For that entire stay at camp I was the only one without a nickname. I still chuckle about it to this day. They call me,,, Phil. Ha!

      • Robert Eckert

        From now on, he shall be called Brian That Is Called Brian

        • StudentOfLife

          That is why you were so missed, lol. Life of Brian is still great after all these years.

        • Sid (Phil)

          Was it Blazing Saddles where the guy said, “My name is Jim, but my friends just call me,, Jim”?

      • StudentOfLife

        My nickname in three different cities in East St. Louis, Collinsville, and Edwardsville IL was always Taz after the Tasmanian Devil from the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Never had to mention a word, they observed and knew right away I moved fast. Still do in many ways, except when it counts after it counts, lol.

        • Sid (Phil)

          Nice. I like that one.

    • F5 doesn’t work on a mac…. hence I always type ‘pic’

    • Sejanus

      I think I would call Tony…The Watcher, given how he documents all and has seemingly unlimited insight.

  • Supper Powers

    Can someone with a better memory than mine remind me who Maria Iara is and why she’s wearing this CoS bauble?
    F5

    • Dunno. But she looks like future Ex.

    • Tony Ortega

      Those are Freedom Medals.

      Not to be confused with Tom’s Freedom Medal of Valor, which is larger.

      • Supper Powers

        Ironic name. Thanks.

      • Robert Eckert

        Medals of Pallor

      • Sejanus

        I thought his just looked larger cuz he is so…diminutive.

        Also Tony..when do you sleep man?

        • Rasha

          Forced Perspective can be cruel…..

    • Rasha

      Some smiles are natural…… some not so much… just sayin’.

    • Sejanus

      Some Columbian actress.
      Maybe they will be looking to audition her for Unifang as wife 4.
      I hear if he gets 6 more the next one would be free.

  • Help us all this Friday, baby Jesus.

    • Rasha

      …touch a tear
      breathe a hymn
      and hold her safe to sleep….

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I never knew until Tony’s series that there were so many individuals involved – and responsible – for her fate. And before, all the attention went to the cause of death and the examiner changing her findings.

      But after reading the details each day, what I really want to know is why didn’t anyone, why didn’t they all, get charged with kidnapping? It’s in these details we find Lisa stating she wants to leave, begging to leave, screaming to leave, and she was held against her will, time after time after time.

      Were there ever any such charges and I just missed it? How could there not be? How could there not be multiple charges of practicing medicine without a license, or something- no matter what the examiner did or did not record as ultimate cause of death. At the very least, it seems to me that she was clearly being held against her will.

      • She was impisoned by prisoners. Over and out.

      • Sid (Phil)

        Negligence causing death.

      • It’s in these details we find Lisa stating she wants to leave, begging to leave, screaming to leave, and she was held against her will, time after time after time.

        And Lisa had not been declared incapable nor had CoS been legally assigned as her guardian.

        The problem is that State Attorney Bernie McCabe went for an all or nothing shot in the charges. Perhaps it was a justified decision at the time, but when the Clearwater police had complained that the State Attorney’s office had never prosecuted a single case against Scientology until then, then wondering why he launched such a narrow and brittle case seems a valid question to explore.

  • running on fumes… so here’s a choice selction of a few nice pics I’ve recently posted elswehere

  • Rasha

    Clan Macpherson ‘Clann Mhuirich’ – Children of Murdoch.
    Motto: Touch not the cat bot a glove.

    ‘Bot’ means without. The ‘glove’ of a wildcat is the pad. If the cat is ‘ungloved’, its claws are unsheathed. The motto serves as a warning that one should beware when the wildcat’s claws are ‘without a glove’. It is a reference to the historically violent nature of the clan and serves as a metaphorical warning to other clans that they should think twice before interfering with Macpherson business.

    -Wikipedia

  • Nat-leficent
    • Rasha

      Sweet dreams! Rasha’s off to the pillow as well.

      • Nat-leficent

        I’ll dream that I am able to go to Leah Remini’s book signing at The Grove next week . . . Zzzzz

        • Rasha

          That would be awesome. ^_^

          • daisy

            Sweet dream my bunker jokesters

            • Rasha

              ^_^ You, too, Daisy. See ya tomorrow!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • Rasha

      ‘Night!

    • Nat-leficent

      F5

      • Rasha

        hehehehehe!!!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • you’ll love this story

    http://imgur.com/gallery/LUMH0

    one of the pics

  • StudentOfLife

    Tom Cruise taped by Miscavige with four witnesses verifying it? I know this has likely been posted but I just found it and everyone needs to see it.
    http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/02/tom-cruise-bombshell-secret-recordings

    • Eclipse-girl

      to me what is new, is how far back this goes.

      Gary Morehead refers to Days of Thunder which is where Tom and Nicole met, or so I thought.

      When Tom was recaptured by the scientology in the early 2000s, the same thing happened.
      I thought it was John Brousseau who was treated to watching the Tom Tapes.

      • StudentOfLife

        I sense they published it because years ago, they didn’t maybe feel they could, and now they realize LieIntology is the true coward. I think every story that comes up in 2016 will be covered by the media when ten years ago there would be have been hesitancy or outright fear to write anything bad about Cruise. He and Miscavige are targets now. The gloves are off when it comes to telling the truth about both these psychopaths. Tick Tock Davey and Tom both. Tom, Hollywood will soon put the squeeze on your career. Couldn’t happen to a sicker guy!

  • Vaquera
  • B4you

    F5

  • EnthralledObserver

    I don’t know what to say about this whole Sea Org deception thing. Really… someone just sleep with the head of the right US government department and convince them to act on these criminals already! Sheesh!

    My mind has just put the pieces together as to why Miscavige has aligned himself with Farrakhan… Islam is making its latest bid for world domination… $cientology hopes to ride its coat-tails.

    • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

      Sure, just tell me who that is and I’ll get to the sexing with them…for the good of the bunker of course. 😛

      • EnthralledObserver

        I was sort of hoping you’d find the right one on your own… hmm… oh well, just fornicate with them all until you find someone powerful enough, yeah? Cheers.

        • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

          Should I start with the EPA or what? The federal government has a whole lot of different government departments, agencies, administrations to sleep my way through! I’m ok with the (w) ‘hor'(e) part but it’s the time all of this is going to require that I’m concerned about! (That and there are likely many married persons working for the federal government, folks who are married I *don’t* do for anything or anyone.)

          • EnthralledObserver

            Your morals are an impediment to the job requirement, thanks for the offer though haha.

  • Lady Squash

    Hi Chris, loved your interview with Rachel Bernstein. I went to your channel and gave you a “like” and I tried to leave a comment, but it didn’t post. So here it is: Hi Chris, I am an ex-Scientologist-out about 4 years. Thank you for doing the interview. I hope the word gets out that there are therapists out there who understand what it’s like. I certainly could have used one. I was so freaked out.
    Anyway, I wonder if you can address at some point the financial issue. How does someone getting out of a cult have the money to see a therapist. Speaking for myself, I couldn’t have done this.
    The other question I hope you have time to address is specifically about Scientology. I am curious about whether it is more difficult to recover from than other cults. I know this would be difficult to answer for many reasons, but still I’d like to hear what Rachel might say about it.
    Enjoyed the interview. Thanks again and keep up the good work. Lady

    • Kat

      I hope you don’t mind, but I copied this over to his YouTube video.

      • Lady Squash

        Thank you, Kat. Don’t mind at all.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Fuck everyone who had a hand in Lisa McPherson’s imprisonment and cruel eventual death.
    Just fuck them all. I hope they suffer nightmares and mental torment for what they did to her.
    I hope they never sleep easy ever.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I still occasionally feel shame and regret for the times I used the Tech and hurt people.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I think alot of exes have to deal with/ make peace with some things they did as a scientologist.
        But most of them were not involved in the cruel imprisonment and slow death of a woman who needed proper mental health treatment.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thanks Jeff. I see Dave’s motto is the sea org doesn’t exist…except when it suddenly becomes convenient for him. But then Iam not a big being like him working hard clearing the planet so who am I to question the great and wonderful COB?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      It’s that he’s OT, he can will the existence of an entire multinational religious order into and out of existence at will. talk about BIG being.

  • Michael David

    The guy in the suit with the mark 8 look’s very nervous… telling

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I bet he’s worrying about how he’s gong to make enough money to pay the credit card bill he has raked up.

      • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

        Where have you been hiding?!

  • Fink Jonas

    That’s why there were some things in scientology that I didn’t understand, because I was trying to see the benefit of it to “me”, and it was never designed to benefit me it was designed to benefit them, what a crock of @(#$*&%&

    • anoni81b4u

      Fink, from “a never in” … I am glad that you got out !
      It Is a crock of poop .. you are correct… congratulations on being free for the rest of your life !

      • Fink Jonas

        I so much appreciate life away from scientology, it has been a lot of fun being free.

  • Xenuvius

    Great captions on the bonus pics…the “Hey girl” pics are a riot.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Why do they (Scientology) go through all this Christmas crap when Jesus, and all religions for that matter are just movies we were forced to watch at an Implant Station on Mars. I wonder when one of the 2 Mars rovers we have exploring Mars will find an Implant Station? I am on the edge of my seat (so to speak) waiting for the discovery of these stations. Happy fake holidays everyone!

  • Dave Reams

    The Danish newspaper article also states that Scientology owns 6 buildings around Copenhagen worth about 347 million kroner. CO$’s Norwegian spokesperson clammed up when asked what their financial worth was but said that their income was better this year than last.

    A companion article details where Scientology got 3 milllion of its worth – from a young woman in Copenhagen. She was isolated at St. Hill and given a special briefing where they showed her pictures of mutilated babies and told her that these were from brutal psych experiments. Though a student with no income, she broke down, took a huge loan and gave the clams $40,000. The pressure to give never stopped and after 10 years she is hopelessly in debt.

    http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/historier/scientology

  • FOTF2012

    One thing that struck me was “all documents, all files, all mailing lists and all other material not commonly offered to the public for sale or use” — is Scientology selling some information (and if so, to whom?) or was that just legal boilerplate?

  • FOTF2012

    The Lisa story would make a good docudrama. At this stage she is very weak and ill and is reduced to thanking her captors for helping her put a sweater on. Her death approaches, and her captors blindly follow the Lizard King’s (Hubbard’s) rules and insanity into the abyss. Somewhere in the night, the puffed up but cowardly Lizard King hides in shadows.