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United Kingdom sees Scientology documentary ‘Going Clear’ tonight on Sky Atlantic

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Finally, the time has come! After a considerable delay caused by nagging legal concerns, Alex Gibney’s Emmy Award-winning HBO documentary, Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief, will air tonight on Sky Atlantic at 9 pm local time.

“So glad the UK is finally getting to see the film. Maybe now, they will publish Larry’s book,” Gibney tells us. His documentary is based on Lawrence Wright’s book Going Clear, which has never been published in the UK because of the country’s plaintiff-friendly libel laws.

“I am proud to say that the film is playing without cuts – as far as I know – although with a few more printed disclaimers than on this side of the pond,” Gibney adds. “Even with reforms, the British libel laws are the handmaidens of power which predatory organizations like Scientology use to their advantage. Yo, denizens of Great Britain and Eire: lose the official secrets act and change those libel laws!”

“I’m delighted the film is being shown. Sure hopes it opens publishing possibilities,” Wright chimed in.

After the film airs, we hope a new rush of folks lands here at the Underground Bunker, which gets prominent mention in the film along with its proprietor, who was very fortunate to be included. For those new folks, we’re happy to help you find more information about the fascinating people in the movie.

Gibney and Wright cover a lot of ground in the documentary, from Scientology’s earliest beginnings up to the current scene. In order to build that narrative, they make use of eight former Scientologists with remarkable stories to tell. We’ve provided additional details about each of them.

Jason_Beghe3Jason Beghe. Jason was the first Scientology celebrity to defect and then go public, posting a damning condemnation of Scientology on YouTube in 2008, three years before another celebrity, Paul Haggis, was profiled in the New Yorker. We got to know Jason in 2008 when he made his very public exit from the church, and we explained in a recent piece how Beghe’s subsequent cross-country search to find other former members led directly to the wave of exposes which subsequently showed up in the press.

Tom_Devocht_GC3Tom DeVocht. Tom’s role in the Sea Org was to oversee building and renovation projects at Scientology’s headquarters in California and Florida. During that time, he became very close to Scientology leader David Miscavige, and watched as Miscavige had Tom Cruise’s most private information from confessional auditing sessions delivered to him every day. He tells us even more about the relationship between Miscavige and Cruise than he revealed in the film.

Sara_Goldberg_GC2Sara Goldberg. Sara was introduced to readers by the great Joe Childs of the Tampa Bay Times, who told her full story. But for our countdown to the movie’s airing, Sara shared with us previously unpublished documents and other details that helped fill in the background to what you see on the screen.

Paul_Haggis_GC2Paul Haggis. Paul was the subject of Lawrence Wright’s New Yorker profile as well as his book, Going Clear. But for us, Paul wrote one of the clearest expressions of what the Scientology experience is like and how difficult it is to read. If you haven’t seen it, you really must.

Marty_Rathbun_GC2Mark “Marty” Rathbun. We’ve denuded entire forests writing about Marty Rathbun over the years. But in our countdown to the airing of Going Clear on HBO, we asked him about how far he’s come from the days he first started his blog in 2009 and over time re-examined his relationship with the ideas of L. Ron Hubbard. His answer may really stun you.

Mike_Rinder_GC2Mike Rinder. We’ve written extensively about Rinder, the former top spokesman for the church. We have a piece about his background which includes a series of videos we took about his experience in The Hole and escaping Scientology. He also helped us decipher a bizarre memo written by Scientology leader David Miscavige just before Rinder walked away in 2007.

Spanky_Taylor_GC2Sylvia “Spanky” Taylor. We’ve known Spanky a long time, and we were thrilled to see her featured in Lawrence Wright’s book and Alex Gibney’s film. She agreed to talk to us to fill in additional details about her life story and experience in Scientology, and she saved for us some really fascinating new facts.

Hana_Whitfield_GC2Hana Eltringham Whitfield. Hana was the Deputy Commodore, the woman who L. Ron Hubbard trusted to captain his vessels as he ran Scientology from sea from 1967 to 1975. As we revealed in a story about her, she plans a new book to discuss the “family cult” she was in before Scientology, and then her experiences as an interventionist (1987-2004) helping others escape the church.

There’s so much more about Scientology that we cover here at the Bunker, and we hope you stick around to learn about Scientology’s scheme of courses, its essential source text, and many other things.

As for the rest of our frequent commenters and experts who have already seen the film, what are your favorite scenes? Of the amazing new footage found by Gibney and his team, which surprised you the most? What Scientology stories were you most disappointed to see left out? (We can guess what the most frequent answer to that one will be.) Alex has mentioned making a sequel — what would you like to see in it?

Hey, and for our UK readers, please give us a little live-blogging in the comments as the movie plays. It’s the next best thing to being there.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

NYC rapper Tameek Williams, better known as “Teemonee,” helped out Drug-Free World in a Harlem parade this weekend. Speaking of Harlem, we had a couple of correspondents go by this weekend and ask questions about when the new Ideal Org might be opening. One was told a week, the other a month. Both said the latter seemed more realistic.

 
Teemonee

 
When one whale recedes, another beaches himself. Jim Mathers now picks up where Tom Cummins left off in Taiwan, as David Miscavige regges the Chinese to their last dollar…

 
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Kelly Preston in Mexico — you can glimpse here on this video. What a Scientology fiesta!

 
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BOOK NOTES
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis, Grumpy’s Bar & Grill, 2801 Snelling Ave, Roseville, 7 pm, sponsored by Minnesota Atheists

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Greater Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 25: Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)

Oct 28: Adelaide, Wheatsheaf Hotel, (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 21, 2015 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Vaquera
    • Observer

      Oh, Coralie, GC barely scratches the surface …

  • RBE

    Paul Haggis: “What! The fuck are you talking about!” (on finding out about OTIII)

    • I sometimes think that the OT3 story functions to filter out those who are still capable of the least scepticism towards Hubbard’s pronouncements. If you fall at that hurdle, the CofS is better off without you. If you vault it you are less likely to be a problem in future, when the demands for money and commitment are ramped up. If you

      Still… I wonder how people get that far in the first place.The Xenu story is crazy – but so is TR0. I suspect some people just get tired of the way they are being treated and the constant failure of Scientology’s promises. When these factor finally break their faith, they ascribe this to whatever Scientology ‘study’ they were doing at the time. The fact is, it is all senseless and incredible.

      • Kestrel

        That’s how I think it goes. If you continue on after seeing this, they know the hook is set.

      • ze moo

        Every level of $cieno land is built exactly for that. Prove your fealty to Lroon and Miscabitch or out the door you go. Either pay up or get out. In the end, it is all about the money.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        OTIII, the, you know, Wall of Fire:

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      OTIII… the Wall of Fire:

  • Ella Snowfury

    Quick advert and tea making break…one main thought thus far is just how creepy LRon was. Seriously, nightmarishly, creepy. Right, back we go…

  • Jimmy3

    What minute are you guys on? (Rough estimate)

    • Science Doc

      It’s the car chase sequence.

  • Vaquera

    What the hell? Going Clear is dropped by the second theater. Clearwater residents will have to drive to Tampa.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/going-clear-dropped-second-theater-825890?utm_source=twitter

    to add:

    AMC Woodlands Square 20 in Olsdmar, Fla., has told HBO it will no longer be screening film due to “space” reasons. Last week, the AMC multiplex agreed to rent HBO Films the use of an auditorium beginning on Oct. 2 after a nearby cinema in Clearwater, the Cobb Countryside 12, dropped the film. The Cobb Countryside 12’s owner had told HBO it backed off screening the movie after receiving pressure from the church. Woodlands Square is a short 10 minute drive or so from the Cobb Countryside.

    • Jimmy3

      “What ‘threats’? What ‘strong-arm tactics’? Be specific.”

      — OSA Bot

      (I didnt make this up.)

      • Vaquera

        Check out the first comment.

        • Sunny

          Such a treasure.
          “Why are you complaining, you running dog press? Am I surprised those theaters won’t buy into HBO’s regurgitation of old lies from criminal apostates? First of all, the movie’s probably not making money for them because people aren’t interested in this drivel. The movie never made any money to speak of, anywy. You guys are just like Gibney who’s just like William Randolph Hearst: If you can’t find a war, you’ll create one. And why do you keep regurgitating old regurgitations, anyway? It’s not news.”

          • Vaquera

            Thanks Sunny. You might want to clarify that those are not your views!

            • Sunny

              But they are….
              That’s it. Those movie theaters have completely changed my mind about Scientology. Man, I have been bad hanging out with all you SP’s.
              I am going to do my A to E steps …..

            • Vaquera

              We’ll still be here for you. πŸ™‚

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Sunny – As long as you keep posting pix, maybe from the garage of the Fort Harrison who you are on the RPF.

          • Missionary Kid

            Great sarcasm!

    • Lucille Austero

      God Dammit!

    • Lucille Austero

      This weeny theater, AMC Woodlands Square 20, doesn’t appear to be on the twitter. I left a sad review on their facebook page. Gah!

      • ReallyMGM

        What about their main office? Probably in another city…

        EDIT: @AMCTheaters and @AMCHelps for questions and issues

        • Lucille Austero

          There is also a facebook page for AMC Theatres, which appears to be the parent company’s page. You can actually leave a post on this page. Which I did. Cowards.

          • ReallyMGM

            I don’t feel bad saying anything about AMC dropping them. They are a huge company out of China, based in Kansas, the second largest theater chain in the US. If they can be bullied, anyone can be. They have resources for attornies Cobb Theaters does not have.

            • Vaquera

              The Tampa venue is AMC. Strange.

            • Lucille Austero

              Good info, ReallyMGM!!

            • ReallyMGM

              Thanks. There is a Wikipedia page. They have had problems before with ADA compliance, ect. If these companies keep caving, the cult will keep threatening and winning.

        • Vaquera

          This third venue, in Tampa, is also an AMC Theater.

          • ReallyMGM

            I would assume they will drop out too, as will other AMC theaters. Since they are one of the biggest chains in the US, they should have the resources to fight.

            • Vaquera

              Now, AMC Veterans 24 in Tampa, Fla., will play the film instead. A spokesman for AMC said the Tampa location, a 45-minute drive from Clearwater, is a larger venue, allowing the chain more flexibility.

            • chukicita

              Ooo! That’s where I go to the movies sometimes. 24 screens.

      • Sunny

        When I was in training at Flag, any time you did have time off and went to a movie, that was the theater you would go to. They probably explained to them that if they show the film, no Scientologist would ever come see a movie there. Only because Clearwater is nearly all Scientologists, they would lose a lot of business. I doubt any other movie theater anywhere else in the world would do this, because Scientologists have no clout anywhere but that one small city.

        • Missionary Kid

          How many of the sea org people have enough spare money to go to shows?

    • Joe

      But you kinda have to hand it to AMC for giving the middle finger to Scientology by giving a lack of space as the reason for cancelling the showing. Even though they capitulated to their demands they’re like “yeah, TOO MANY PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE IT and we don’t have that kind of auditorium capacity”

    • TheLurkingHorror

      AMC Woodlands Square 20 in Olsdmar, Fla., has told HBO it will no longer be screening film due to “space cootie” reasons.

      There, that’s more like it.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Monday, 21 September 2015.

    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,

    New week and some average results: Detroit did well and leads SFBay.

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… BilBoard enhanced by Bob KΓ₯re for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16213096977/in/set-72157642802079293

  • BosonStark
    • Jimmy3

      You’ve been killing it lately.

    • Spackle Motion

      In awe of your some-ness.

    • Observer

      Uncle Fester is far less creepy.

      • ze moo

        And he has control over MEST, well at least he can light up a light bulb in his mouth. Did Lroon ever do any tricks that didn’t involve playing cards?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        It is as though Uncle Fester is a handsomed-up Hollywood version of Tim Mathers, in much the same way Philip Seymour Hoffman was a cleaned-up, buff version of L.Ron.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Uncle Fester was played by Jackie Coogan, possibly the most beautiful child who ever graced the silent screen:

  • Observer

    I just watched the video, and … WTF?

  • nottrue

    Going for the Oscar….

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    Finally! I know it will have a big splash there – maybe more direct affect that it’s had here, legally?

    • Good to see you here again!

    • Juicer77

      Hello! πŸ™‚

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I’m imagining you now sound like Ms. Doubtfire when you say hello.

        • Juicer77

          Lol!

  • Hamtaro

    Looks like Kelly Preston was having a nice dinner with friends while JT was off at some place called “SΓ³lo el Masaje de los Hombres”…whatever that means.

    • Joe

      I think that’s located somewhere on the coast of La Isla del Muchachos Guapos.

      • chukicita

        En la BahΓ­a de final feliz

    • Yeppir

      For all you non-Spanish speakers (of which I am one) … Mr. Travolta is having a nice manly massage.

  • nottrue

    …No stopping Alex…Oscar Buzz

  • Edward Clarke

    The Tom Cruise disclaimer has been expanded and updated since its HBO appearance, as below.

    • Edward Clarke

      This used to just say ‘Tom Cruise denies this’.

    • Sid

      Although when he first laid eyes on her he was heard to say, “I’d tap that”.

      • Edward Clarke

        And you can see why from this photo, even with the scowl.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Man I hate that expression. Just sayin’

        • Sid

          I agree. I’ll take it down.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Aw thanks, Sid. A right gentleman, you are.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      She is so beautiful!

  • Edward Clarke

    And another disclaimer appears now after Marty Rathbun says ‘get it done’ (wiretap Nicole):

    • Hamtaro

      I liked you better when you were the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

      • Edward Clarke

        So did the wife.

    • Jimmy3

      You seem like a perfectly legit Bunker Commenter. You have obviously been lurking for a very long time, and you only chose a Jon Atack post to start in with your criticisms out of pure coincidence. Welcome, Edward.

      • Edward Clarke

        That’s pretty much all there is to it. Cheers Jimmy.

        • Jimmy3

          Cheers.

  • Vaquera

    Not that I expect anyone here to know the answer, but did Alex Gibney approve the disclaimers added to the UK version of Going Clear?

    • Tony Ortega

      I think he implied that.

      They’re weak disclaimers that fall apart when you look at them more fully. Marty has made false allegations against the church? Name one.

      • Jimmy3

        “Tom Cruise’s lawyer says…”

        Just stop reading right there.

        • Edward Clarke

          I don’t know if we should bother reading into it that not only has the disclaimer been significantly expanded, but that the person doing the denials has now been switched. It’s not Tom Cruise any more. Is the expansion there to take away focus from the fact that the world’s biggest film star is suddenly no longer commenting on this himself directly?

          • Jimmy3

            I don’t think he ever responded himself. It was either Scientology or Tom’s personal lawyers all along… They just knew this channel was planning to debut it in the UK and they put additional pressure on them. That’s a reasonable explanation for the expanded disclaimers.

      • Vaquera

        Well, I did expect you to know the answer, but you had to take that Portland call and, and, and….thanks.

        • Jimmy3

          It was probably Fred Armisen. That guy loves Portland way too much.

          • Vaquera

            Elizabeth Moss, not so much.

            • Jimmy3

              They divorced because he is a horn dog.. And also because no one wants to sleep with a blank-faced Ron-bot.

            • Science Doc

              Why? Do they snore?

            • daisy

              One of Freds friends said that they broke up, on his part, was because she was too into the COS and kept trying to bring him in. It was a while ago, so I don’t remember the friend or the magazine.

  • Edward Clarke

    Another additional disclaimer for the scene with the wives being interviewed by Anderson Cooper:

    • pluvo

      Aren’t the disclaimers confirming what’s said in the film somehow? – Like the stereotype denials by “Marion Pouw’.

      • MaxSpaceman

        aka Karin Pouw

        • pluvo

          Ah yes, Karin Pouw.

      • Edward Clarke

        They were all totally redundant IMHO. If I was Alex Gibney and was asked to add them (to drop a fight against the broadcast), I’d have been laughing my ass off. But he must have been tempted to look into the ‘personal agenda’ Scientology claims the woman called Sara had. If a ‘personal agenda’ is being allowed to see your daughter again, then Miscavige told that one like it was. If I was Gibney I would have added this little rebuttal after that last disclaimer.

    • Cedilla

      Linson looks better here than at the airport.
      But then this is before the RPF.

  • SNAFU

    Something sounded oddly familiar in an article about ISIS in the NY Times yesterday.

    “The Islamic State considers defectors as apostates, and most of the hundreds thought to have left the group have gone into hiding.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/europe/isis-defectors-reveal-disillusionment.html

    All it’s missing is the “bitter and defrocked” bit.

    • Missionary Kid

      Yeah, their fair game is to kill the apostate. It can be said that we’ve actually found something worse than $cientology in how they treat people who leave.

      • scottmercer

        A great new slogan! “Scientology: Better Than ISIS!”

        • SNAFU

          Nice one. With a brand name as tarnished as theirs, that just might work! F5

        • Missionary Kid

          *Chuckle*
          Since ISIS seems to kill people off, but $cientology likes to torture people psychologically and drive them to suicide, $cientology is better than ISIS, but not by much.

  • Vaquera
    • Yeppir

      Thanks to you and to all that post the twats. Not a twatter but I have to admit I love them.

      • daisy

        Thank you for the kind words the other day.. I enjoy your posts.

  • Edward Clarke

    The final additional disclaimer before the final credits:

    • anoni81b4u

      Did they make a disclaimer for the disclaimer ?

    • MaxSpaceman

      All the disclaimers, Edward– shows the dancing on eggshells over the libel laws in UK. Amazing- thanks. πŸ™‚

    • Mockingbird

      Provable bullshit .

    • I wonder what went into writing the disclaimers. Since they are in coherent English, doubtful Dan Sherman or “Karin Pouw” were involved.

      Did Alex or one of his peeps write them?

      Did they find a lawyer or barrister to do it?

      They seem so strongly weak.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        K-POW, was in the RPF getting all those BT’s in line.

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for the screenshots!

  • I love the fact that some public and staff in UK will watch Going Clear, for “research” purposes. I know they will.
    I bet some already did. Imagine a large underground lake during the earthquake, the ripple effect may not be obvious, until ripples turning into waves and reaching the surface as geysers. Hello lurkers!

  • ze moo

    Now the UK and Irish twitterverse and other social media will explode with discussion about the clampire. Lawrence Wright and Alex Gibney have just accelerated that snowball down hill to a much higher speed and subsequent mass increase.

    With their heads still stuck in the sand, how can the Ostriches avoid that snowball?

    Mike Rinder has nice leak from the Portland Oregon Idle mOrg. Only 2 people completed an ‘introductory’ course and only one ‘selectee’ came in the door during a one week period. Not exactly straight up and vertical growth is it? Unless the stats were zero the week before.

    Holland, Denmark, the US and Canada and now the UK and Ireland are forewarned. France has hammered the clampire for so long the wack a mole hammer was replaced with a new one.

    Will the last clam left please turn off the lights?

    • Missionary Kid

      Before they turn off the lights, could they please recycle all of those dead trees that Hubbard’s crap is written on?

      • ze moo

        The buildings new owners will make some money recycling those papers. I think they are paying $12 a ton around me.

        • They might get some money for the 20 or so titanium cases that actually exist.

        • Missionary Kid

          If nothing else, the slick paper they use has lots of clay, and it makes good mulch.

      • And the titanium used in the vaults.

        • The one real vault photo shows six of those cases. There’s another with more, but clearly shooped. There’s nothing with the stunning number of cases that would be need (at several vaults locations) even if they used foil-thin metal plates.

          They’ve also been contradictory about where Hubbard’s original papers are, claiming that, for the Basics and GATs, they had them spread over many tables at Gold.

          What’s actually in the vaults still seems up in the air.

        • Missionary Kid

          It would be interesting to see how much actual titanium is there, or if DM cheaped out.

  • EmmaDaoust

    Yankees face Blue Jays in Toronto. Go Jays.

    • Sandy

      Okay – I changed channels to watch – cuz anyone against Yankees is ok with me. πŸ˜‰

      • EmmaDaoust

        Ha! I think the last time I watched a game was when the Jays won back in 1992? I know nussink! Sitting in pub sauced on one martini. Where’s daisy? Hic.

        • daisy

          Light weight . I took some clients to a game. I read a book. I can follow hockey barely.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Baseball, daisy, it’s baseball.

            • daisy

              I was talking about a baseball blue jays game. I meant I can only barely follow hockey, I heard you can get away with not knowing any sports, but if you can not follow hockey they can kick you out.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Sorry, I guess I wasn’t following you. Foot in my mouth this time.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Ooh 3-0 Jays

  • Joe

    Do you know where I can see what the new disclaimers say? I’m curious, but I’m working so I can’t watch it right now.

    • MaxSpaceman

      They’re all posted below thread courtesy of Edward Clarke.

      • Joe

        Oh, got it. I had to switch browsers to see it.

  • Jimmy3

    Yeah, Hollywood Reporter is a dick. Thank Xenu we have still some free space to communicate.

    • I’ve been permanently blocked for “spamming”… been dealing with a guy called ‘Ken’ explaining that’s it can’t be spamming and why not bother to actually have a look to judge for himself… something stinks at THR…

      pic

      email of the guy who’s doing the cult’s job for them THR@cambeywest.com>

    • PS – can you post the full comment

      • Jimmy3

        No, because it’s gone. But I can re type exactly what I said:

        “How do you feel about the Ideal Org program? I talked about it in a comment to you the other day and you never responded.”

        That was it. I don’t see how that was worth removing. But, hey, what do I know.

        • Jimmy3

          Actually, yeah, here:

        • even removed comments are still shown on your disqus homepage somewhere [much prefer the old version] but it can be a nightmare to track down… who were you replying to [Elle?]…. when I have a bit more wherewithal i’m going to make that asshat Ken a star of my blog… I hate fuckers like that; he’s either too lazy/can’t be bothered, hasn’t got a clue, or has clam sympathies… wish I had a photo of him

          • Jimmy3

            I know. I posted below. Just distracted atm and I didn’t think of that.

            • sometime’s there’s a reason … any given?

            • Jimmy3

              For being distracted? I’m distracted because I’m at a difficult transition. I come here specifically for the distraction.

        • daisy

          All I said was bullshit over a month ago an THS still will not let me post. I didn’t know better I say bullshit all the time here? I am not even sure if that’s the reason its my guess.

    • Ella Raitch

      While the other cat sits idly by in a collander (wtf?)

      • Colanders are not as cozy as bags or boxes. Fact.

    • Mockingbird

      Mean Kitty !

    • PlanetJ

      Lmao..I snorted! poor kittty…he’s like what the hell?!

    • Cedilla

      Punch cat doesn’t like the Org Board.

  • Sookie Sookie

    This latest theater backing out is really confusing to me. They already knew that the first one was being pressured; why did they agree to do it in the first place if they were ultimately going to succumb to the same thing?

    Are there that many scientologists that still have the freedom to go out to the movies in and around Clearwater, that the theaters would truly see a large drop in revenue from a boycott? I always imagine that everyone is SO/staff or there “on course” and wouldn’t be going to movies, but then I guess the Sci-dipped business-owners might have the time and money for regular entertainment… but enough to threaten the livelihood of a theater? Ugh.

    I haven’t scrolled the comments but had to ask because it seems so outrageous to me. Sorry if it’s already been discussed in depth — just point me in the right direction and I’ll look for it.

    • It’s possible that AMC could only show it in one place, and decided on the larger venue.

      • Sookie Sookie

        I guess so, and I don’t know anything about theater-chain rules. I’m just going by my experience in a large town where documentaries are often shown in smaller rooms (and then moved to larger ones within the theater if they consistently pull large crowds).

        ETA: and that’s great if they’re doing it b/c they think it’s gonna be huge. But it sure smells like caving to pressure to me.

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      ooh I’ll take 37 plz

    • No VHS? WTH?!

      • flyonthewall

        that’s bc Hubbard always said VCR’s are psychotic

      • Mockingbird

        Telex only for Scientology orgs.

      • Ben Franklin

        you would have to go to a museum to find a VHS player

        • flyonthewall

          I have a VCR. I have a few movies that never made it to dvd and some stuff I taped off of IFC.

          ETA – you can come to my house and check it out but admission is not free

        • Kestrel

          Or my parents’ house.

          • daisy

            or mine

        • Observer

          We have our old one stashed around here somewhere.

          • Ben Franklin

            they are becoming a thing of the past very fast

        • Graham

          Are you saying my living room’s a museum? Oh. Yeah. See what you mean [sees living room through new eyes]

      • WTH? Not even on Betamax? The target audience is based on a worldview where telex still rule.

      • Doc M

        Heard the soundtrack is on an 8 track

  • Ella Snowfury

    Post viewing reaction: WOW! After a fair bit of incredulous guffawing the room went rather quiet at the end there. Everyone seems pretty stunned actually.

    Some random comments from throughout the show….(these are all from people who know next to nothing about scientology except that it’s Tom Cruise’s weird space-alien ‘religion’. In the UK you have more chance of bumping into a giraffe in the corner shop than you have of meeting an active scientologist).

    On Travolta: ‘He’s not very bright, is he?’
    On Cruise (saluting LRH) ‘What a twat. What did he do to win that ridiculous medal?’ ‘Be a huge dick by the looks of it.’ ‘No wonder Katie Holmes went all ninja on him, after what happened to Nicole, that’s pretty disgusting’.
    On Ron: ‘I’m going to have nightmares after seeing that mouth. Those lips, those teeth. Ugh’.
    On super powers: ‘Didn’t Hitler think the aryan race were supposed to be superhuman? Scary path to get lured down’.
    On Miscavige: ‘He looks like he’s made of plastic’. ‘Is that a Nuremberg rally or what?’ ‘No wonder that poor girl [Nazanin Boniadi] couldn’t understand him, he sounds like a bulldog chewing a wasp’. ‘So the short guy with the Napolean complex and the Danny LaRue hair is secretly in love with Cruise, right?’
    On Tony: Who’s the hot guy? Just rewind it a bit, yes that guy, ooh!’ [Had to include that for Tony πŸ˜‰ ]

    Things that prompted incredulous, raucous laughter: The billion year contract, the Xenu story and Paul Haggis’ fabulous ‘what the fuck is this?’ reaction to it, pretty much everything Miscavige said, the inch wives, the Tom Cruise black turtle neck video clips, everything Jason Beghe said [in a ‘what a great guy’ kind of way – he is a god around here!]

    Things that prompted angry astonishment: Spanky Taylor’s story about Travolta and the horrible state of her poor baby, the IRS cave-in, the first amendment misuse, the beatings by a so-called ‘pope’, the ‘how can this be allowed to go on in this day and age?’ general what-the-fuckery.

    Things that prompted silent shock and sadness: Spanky’s story, all the disconnection stuff, Sara Goldberg’s description of losing her daughter, Mosey’s story [‘two years? Did he say she was stalked for two years?? That’s fucking insane!’], the slow motion footage of Tom Cruise strutting about [‘makes you want to punch the arrogant cock’], Tony talking about his mum being harassed, the state of Mike Rinder when ‘in’ and how much better he looks now, the squirrel-busters, Marty’s comments right at the end about how he dies so many deaths each time he thinks about who he was.

    There was a lot more but that’s all I managed to scribble down between the popcorn and the more-than-several cups of tea. (No alcohol on school nights, sadly).

    Everyone said how eye opening it was and what an excellent documentary it is so thank you Alex Gibney and everyone involved for making such an incredible piece of history.

    Lastly, I did notice every single person immediately start surfing the net on their phones afterwards – heading straight here! They may be reading for quite a while…. πŸ™‚

    • Ella Raitch

      Bulldog chewing a wasp….Danny La Rue hair….

      Invite that crowd over – they sound like a hoot

      • Ella Snowfury

        Yes they’re a really fun bunch! So nice that they are now saying things like ‘oh my god, now I understand why you’re so fascinated by all this’. Ha!

      • Orglodyte

        Bulldog chewing a wasp OMG! Where’s Missionary Kid and the lists? The thing that strikes me, and it was true when I watched Going Clear with a bunch of people new to the whole thing, is what a range of emotions this movie evokes.

    • Sid

      Uh oh. They’re all coming here? We’d better clean the place up a bit then.

    • Doc M

      Got off Skype with a friend in the U.K. a while ago and she told me that while waiting on the cue to enter, Scientologists were passing out some slick pages Titled: the lies and the real truth and cover up.
      Did you see one of them?

      • Ella Snowfury

        We watched it at home so we didn’t come across anything like that. Was there a public showing of it somewhere tonight? All I’ve had to irritate me is that idiot from Freedom Ethics posting sponsored tweets on twitter about how it’s all lies…blah,blah. So many people told him to piss off he went away eventually.

        • Doc M

          She said that it was shown in a theater via a TV feed for those without the pay service, though there was an admission charge.

      • Mockingbird

        I so want a copy. Propaganda analysis mode activated, maximum snark authorized .

        • Doc M

          She’s actually my friends mother and not to tech savvy,
          I’ll try to walk her through how to use the smart phone tomorrow. She’s in bed now.

    • Kestrel

      Thank you for your report.

    • Juicer77

      “Bulldog chewing on a wasp.” Freaking. Perfect. Comment of the day!

    • Lady Squash

      And ditto all of that. Great reporting, great responses, great memory. Makes me want to see it again.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Thanks so much for catching these comments and sharing with us, Ella.

  • Edward Clarke

    Sadly the only review I found states it is extras free. That’s a huge shame.

    http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/69672/going-clear-scientology-and-the-prison-of-belief-the-hbo-special/

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Scientology troll John Alex Wood is chasing people around Twitter with his whiny links to Freedumb Rag, trying to convince people ‘Going Clear’ is all lies. It’s hilarious to watch.

    • GrandEclectus

      His main squeeze and employee Gemma Harris was kicking up her little heels, freaking out over my tweets. (Yes, she’s blocked, muted, etc., but I hear plus she tweets to me, the my friends answer her, so it gets into my feeds)

      She was borderline, if not, completely hysterical today.

      Freescum gagazien has an article about some girl who was allegedly killed by psychiatrists. I questioned it’s veracity, as no such girl turned up in my searches. The article begins “her name was igli (or something) and gives her last name in the article. No where does it say “this is a false name” etc as real journalists often do.

      The alleged proof of this were articles about a girl w a different last name…in norwegian, which I’m rusty on.

      Scientology has lied about so many people in the past. But, Gemma’s freak outs always insist THIS time, its allll true.

      Here’s the thing. i can tweet “David Miscavige goes to bed in he man footie pajamas.” So what?

      This nonsense has been going on since July. It’s always something they think they have me on, and I’m always suppose to retract my tweet and apologize. LOL

      They really don’t understand the medium,

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Really, the best thing you can do is mute them….I just muted the one telling me I should read “Freedom Ethics” for proof that Going Clear is a lie. These idiots feed on attention. I don’t have time to give it to them. πŸ™‚

        This, of course, doesn’t mean I’m going to shut up about the abuses in Scientology, it just means they have to deal with me being around whether they like it or not. πŸ˜€

        • GrandEclectus

          I’ve blocked, muted and reported GemTheTwit in JULY. I got her two accts suspended temporarily for harassing me on two accts after she’d been blocked.

          She gets into my feed by freaking out and responding to my tweets. My friends argue with her, so I know that she’s in hysterics over something I’m tweeting.

          Believe me, if I could get rid of them and go along my merry, I would.

          They appear to have targeted me back in July when GemTheTwit came onto the scene. She works for JohnAlexWood aka Uptone, and is his g/f

          I’m not going to stop protesting. This is a free speech and harassment issue at this point.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Wow, I didn’t realize it had been going on that long. It sucks that the Twitter suspension was only temporary. Definitely screen-grab her stuff and send it to Twitter in an email, hopefully it will get someones attention. I muted her long ago so, like you, I see a few responses to her but not much else.

            If I can do anything to help, let me know. ; )

            • GrandEclectus

              Thanks. It’s tiresome. They never used to try to tweet me before. They normally block and run. She’s even found comments here in the bunker. How obsessive is that?

              I’ve tried to get her suspended again, but she’s not breaking the rules.

              It might help if all the critics blocked and ignored her, but I don’t like to tell others what to say or do.

              I see Nash has taken up with docs, but they aren’t really interested in proof of any kind.

              Gemma started out attacking me in July when I tweeted a pic of a Scientology event and said it had been shooped. “PROVE IT! NOT THIS ONE”. etc. That went on for a couple days. (I blocked her immediately. I knew she was full of it from the start)

              So, then I tweeted to Eric Idle…had NO idea he would get involved. No idea he would respond.

              That drove them nuts. They started harassing Idle!!! (these are fans?)

              Idle rt’d my tweets, and a media Lush. He even rt’d a chart of the structure of Scientology from Jeffery Augustine, published in the bunker.

              I’m sorry to say, Idle has told me to drop the subject of him and Python vs the cult. No problem. Unlike them, I have the utmost respect for Eric Idle and if he wishes me to shut up, and not include him or Python, I certainly will! He’s got other things on his mind with all the incredible work he’s now doing!

              So,the other day I noted there was something fishy about a freedum gagazine article with a Norweigen girl who is supposed to be a victim of 1000s of doses of psychiatric meds.
              “PROVE IT! SHE’S A REAL PERSON” Again, with her showing up in my feed.

              So, whatever I say. that’s the reaction.
              1. The hysterics,
              2. her arguing w my friends.

              She has no interest in proof, she has NO interest in discussion. She just pushes the party line.

              In any case, she IS proof that the cult makes people crazy. She was a normal person not too long ago. Now she’s a raging OSA working for John Wood. How sad is that!

              Cheers.

            • BetsysFriend

              What she failed to tell you is that the Norwegian girl most certainly IS real and coming up with an excuse that she couldn’t find her (incidentally it took me one go on google) is piss poor. A girl died and Betsy said she doesn’t exist. ‘We’ made her up. Her name in the article is real. But Betsy won’t admit she is wrong (and she was VERY wrong on this occasion). And that’s where the problem lies.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I am way too busy to be drawn into this drama so please don’t attempt to do so by contacting me here. I’m certain you know where I stand.

            • BetsysFriend

              I’m not posting this just for you. And if you side with a pathological liar then that’s fine by me.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              You’re not posting it for me at all. You’re passive-aggressively addressing her and it’s childish. You can respond to her comment if you want to address her. You have no reason to respond to me at all. I’m not buying anything you’re saying, so you’re wasting your time.

              Keep your drama out of my notifications.

            • BetsysFriend

              1.I’m posting this for EVERYONE. Not just Betsy

              2. I get the passive-aggressive treatment everyday from her so you can quit that one.

              3. If you’re not ‘buying’ the fact that Betsy said that this girl didn’t exist then maybe you should look closer at her twitter feed and then find out for yourself why she is lying. Yes maybe I am a ‘crazy bitch’ for standing up to a girl’s memory. I’m sure you’d be grateful too if someone called your deceased daughter ‘a figment of the church’s imagination’

            • GrandEclectus

              I love how she showed up to prove me right.

              I hope everyone blocks and ignores her. Let her pretend to rage in a vacuum.

              Did she delete her comments?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I don’t think she did, I can still see them.

              Agreed on the Ignore Tech.

  • Mark

    Comment from a disinterested (but not uninterested) friend who sat through Going Clear at my urging: “Well, I watched the programme and while I can understand – and support – your revulsion and contempt, and admire your perseverance in opposing this bunch of twats, I have to say that I was mainly left wondering what the fuck Cruise has to hide? Do you think he eats babies?”

    I know, I know… but she might just have a point about the lifestyles of the rich and egotistical, what with all today’s rumours about our uniquely unlovable Prime Minister: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/21/piggate-hameron-twitter-react-david-cameron-pig-head-claims

    • outraged

      By now, Cruise is way beyond ‘nothing to hide’.
      He is so deep in the kool aide his soul is gone.

    • so much piggy snark…. kinda liked this one

      https://youtu.be/FBpQJ98rR4o

      • Graham

        So this is why he calls his wife ‘Babe’.

  • JN West

    I just watched this in the UK. It left me feeling very scared how easily the First Amendment can be abused to protect an abusive cult.

  • Cars

    Mike Rinder tweet re: cancelled showings of Going Clear in Clearwater… hope more theatres follow suit.

    https://twitter.com/MikeRinder/status/646099954507870209

    • Vaquera

      You just beat me. πŸ™‚

    • Scientology – the “church” that tries to intimidate movie theaters.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’d like to pop their corn!

      • Cars

        Pfffttt… and library patrons.

      • ShoopZ

        To be fair, I remember members of the Catholic Church protesting The Last Temptation of Christ

        • Joe

          I have no doubt they even encouraged their congregations to boycott the film, which is totally within their right to do, but do you think they threatened legal action or worse? I don’t. Which is why I think it’s so weird because you really don’t see any religious group being so effing litigious over art, over a documentary.

          • ShoopZ

            If memory serves the protests were pretty intense.

          • Nancy Law

            I remember the Catholic church encouraging parishioners to not see the film; however, its one thing to encourage and assume the parishioners have actual human rights and quite another to buy up a film theater or whatever threat occured by $cientology to actually threaten a private sector business to not do business in the U.S.A. or any other supposed democratic country, its so Hitleresque … how can this possibly happen and be tolerated?

    • Joe

      I would bet you money that they’ll send Sea Org members to watch the theaters and see if any Scientologists try to go and see the movie and then snitch.

      • Cars

        Sadly, they probably don’t have to go to those lengths; I’m sure family and friends will send in enough KR’s.

        Besides, Sea Org members’ uniforms are so distinctive they’d have to go in disguise. Either that or work behind the vending kiosks serving popcorn, soft drinks, etc., where the uniforms would seem appropriate. ;-(

        • Joe

          Oh, I don’t doubt it, but I wonder if they wanted to see it badly they would be dumb enough to tell anybody. I mean if I knew this thing was totally considered verboten, I would like go way incognito and see it secretly and just be like “Oh, I saw the rom com.”

          and yeah I don’t think Miscavige would send them in their uniforms, I thought he would just have them staked out right in front of the box office and make a list if they saw anyone buying tickets for GC.

  • Vaquera
    • ShoopZ

      (refresh)

      • Cars

        ShoopZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

        I just posted one of your tweets and shoops above. So nice to see you again! Hope you visit more often.

        • ShoopZ

          Thank you! Nice to be back posting again. πŸ™‚

          • Cars

            I’m delighted to hear that.

            I’ve noticed how busy you’ve been cult-busting in the Twitterverse. Thank you for all your clever and persistent work!

            • ShoopZ

              Aw shucks. Tweren’t nothin!

      • Observer

        Good to see you! I’ve missed your stylish shoops.

        • ShoopZ

          Thank you πŸ™‚

      • random ideas should you ever run dry…

        personally I’d love to see if we can get a Trump/Miscavige meme going on [Cruise and Travolta as confused flying monkeys]

        … who’s got more ‘dirty money’… ideas.. visual or otherwise: Scrooge McDuck, Mr Burns…

        …. both rejecting Gary Busey

        …. Lotto machines have a hidden ‘scientology bug’ that gets activated of the person is a Tom Cruise fan….

        TBC… probably a lot as I’m now on the XO

      • beauty for ashes

        Hey did you make Alex Gibney into a laser long cat in your latest shoop? πŸ™‚ It’s great btw!

        • ShoopZ

          Thanks! I just added Alex Gibney’s photo to an earlier shoop that originally had the HBO logo in the TV. The cat and the background are from an ancient Monty Python animation.

  • Cars

    Tweet and shoop from ShoopZ tonight, retweeted by Mike Rinder. [Come back to the Bunker, ShoopZ. You are missed!]

    https://twitter.com/Sh00pZ/status/646100716356894720

    • He is back.

      • Cars

        YES!

        See postulates do work. Poof! Bam! Pow! Just like that, he appeared.

        Now if only it worked for parking spots, too…

    • my blog post headed pic is one of his… although he forgot to add his normal signature to it

      • MaxSpaceman

        C’mon. These thetans are nuts. Get me back to Venus stat !

  • HartleyPatterson

    Just to be clear about this:
    The England & Wales libel laws have been reformed. Northern Ireland however for murky local political reasons decided not to accept the changes.
    http://www.libelreform.org/

    Sky and HBO are profitable companies, Murdoch doesn’t like Scientology. Threats were never going to work.
    The showing was only available to HBO subscribers via the Sky satellite. The rest of us won’t see it, something TV journalists often forget.

  • Vaquera

    Anyone here from Kansas City? Party at Harlings Upstairs?
    https://instagram.com/p/7zBsp_sPjk/

    • Joe

      Look, the register is at 19.50, the year Scientology is perpetually stuck in.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T but I couldn’t not think of DM and his risible attempts to prevent/limit Going Clear.

    Today, unexpectedly, we were marooned, minus connectivity, from 9 am until about 4:30 pm.
    When we finally rejoined the connected world, some kind person had left a slim plastic bag
    inside my windshield wipers – a fridge magnet and some fliers apparently.
    I didn’t even glance at it.
    My little guy took it and told me what the contents were from his booster seat as I drove.
    Later, as I am making supper, I go to the fridge to get miso, to get veggies.
    Imagine my surprise.
    The door was virtually bare.
    All of the photos of whales from last summer (real ones, DM, real ones),
    of friends, of sunsets, of … , all gone.
    In their place, my little guy had stuck what every home needs on the fridge –
    a fridge magnet ad for septic tanks!

    These people who dreamt up this ad campaign need to apply to $cientology –
    they will fit together like hand in glove.
    Footbullet, meet septic tank!
    Karin Puow, take note – you need magnets.

    • ShoopZ

      Maybe the little guy is critiquing the contents of the fridge?

  • Vaquera

    Need a new rocking chair? LRH’s rocking chair? #cooties (refresh)

    • Kestrel

      Interesting group of hashtags. I especially like #creepy … twice.

    • you could create a whole website dedicated to this…with some simple stop motion and overlay animation [a la Adult Swim] and a few good writers the lulz could be mega…. you could sample the most ridiculous Hubbard voice overs with footage of this thing rocking… the possibilities are endless!

    • scottmercer

      I call BS. He never had an “LA Residence” after the early 1950’s. He went to the Poconos, Bay Head NJ, Phoenix, Washington DC, then I think LA…then England, South Africa, Rhodesia, the ships at sea, Queens, Clearwater, FL area, then La Quinta, (not in Los Angeles County), then Hemet (not in Los Angeles County), then Creston (not in Los Angeles County.) Did I miss anything? (I’ve been reading Blubbard’s life story way too much when I can recite all those locales off the top of my head..)

    • Mark

      He needs to add #fart #cushion

    • EmmaDaoust

      Set it atop the pile of books and let ‘er rip.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      I’d rather take my chances with this chair. (F5)

      http://www.theparanormalguide.com/uploads/1/7/3/8/17382059/9203285.jpg?485

  • Cars

    Yeah! Tampa Bay Times picked up the story about the two Clearwater area theatres dropping Going Clear. The TBT movie critic interviewed Alex Gibney for this story.

    http://www.tampabay.com/things-to-do/movies/two-local-theaters-drop-scientology-documentary-going-clear/2246524

    • Vaquera

      ‘We play films based on what we think is the right thing to do.”

      So…..screening movies that expose fraud and issues of human rights within a “church” is the wrong thing to do?

      • Cars

        Lame and evasive statement by Wellman. In contrast, Gibney said in response “When it comes to a choice between money and human rights,” he said, “money always wins.”

        • Joe

          I also love how he made the connection between airing MI:RN and GC. It really reminded me of the tantrum Cruise threw at Paramount over the screening of the South Park’s episode and how he threatened to stop doing marketing for the third MI movie if they played it again.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Have we got a whole slew of newbies yet?

    • EmmaDaoust

      Maybe we need like a turnstile counter or something πŸ™‚

    • Kestrel

      I would be doing a lot of reading right now if I were them. Or sleeping. It’s 2am in London.

  • Susan B.

    Hello,

    When I look at this article the text is redacted by gray boxes. How’d they do that?

    http://www.newstalk.com/Pete-Griffiths-Church-of-Scientology-documentary-former-member-Going-Clear

    Susan (I’m confused. It looks like I have more than one identity on Disqus.)

    • Kestrel

      I’m confused. I didn’t see any text covered by gray boxes.

    • salin

      Try using a different browser. I am using Firefox, and was able to see the article. Thanks for linking the article.

      Welcome to the Underground Bunker.

    • PRenaud

      you just need to click on “Skip survey” and the gray boxes will disappear.

  • madame duran

    Looking over some comments from the UK re: “Going Clear” documentary…

    David Miscavige seems like a throughly nasty piece of work. #GoingClear— Owen Gibbs (@Garbotron) September 21, 2015

    Great documentary on @skyatlantic tonight ,Scientology is seriously messed up #GoingClear— SeΓ‘n Montague (@seanmmontague) September 21, 2015

    @Matt_Fraser @CyndeeYDavis After that tonight both #Scientology and @TomCruise are finished in the UK #GoingClear— Len M (@covlad007) September 21, 2015

  • SarahDB

    Going Clear, so glad it made it to the UK, not to be confused with Getting Clear which is the video series of the Toronto conference which I’m savoring in little bits at a time. When you pop up from your latest Co$ rabbit hole, whack a few clammy scammy ads on CraigsList https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    “Take THAT Co$”, I say to myself as I make that little red x appear. Makes me feel a little better πŸ˜€

    Click on the heart above while you are at it, and for that breath of fresh air…

  • Just did a quick Google of Karin for “official” response and found this picture pop up in Googles quasi-official profile result.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5429&d=1357476747

    • ..

      • Ben Franklin

        That is a photo shopped photo. The original photo was “Baghdad Bob” from the iraq war. I assigned the title of Baghdad Bob to Elle, aka Comical Elle

        • I’m quite certain it’s a shop. Just thought it was funny her photo results vs. Tony’s … parody vs. reality … just like their writing styles.

      • FollowTheMoney

        So Tommy Davis has been written out of ‘church’ history, has he? I thought he was the international spokesperson in 2008.

  • madame duran

    More tweets (sorry if someone posted them earlier)…

    @TomCruise just watched #GoingClear – you should be ashamed of belonging to such a rip-off, cruel cult as Scientology— Rachel Baker (@Saintsmadmomma) September 21, 2015

    Not one for documentaries my husband's thing, but tonight Scientology one made interesting but very disturbing viewing #GoingClear— Sazzler (@babyswayzee) September 21, 2015

    Just finished watching #GoingClear on Sky Atlantic, what an eye opening doc. Scientology is such a scam. Worth a watch.— Angelica Fostinis (@angefostinis) September 21, 2015

    Meanwhile, the cult’s propaganda machine runs the same stock photo tweets of a lone person sleeping in a theatre, implying that “GoingClear” is soooo boring! Three Emmy wins, highest TV ratings for HBO, multiple network acquisitions to air the film, widespread word-of-mouth and critical recommendations, currently one of the top trending Twitter topics in the UK…and the oblivious cult insists that no interests exists for Alex Gibney’s movie. Scientology is going DOWN and it is creating its own footbullets!!

  • Vaquera

    Juicer, are you still awake?

    • Sandy

      Ah – that would be 3:00 am …

      • Vaquera

        Yeah, I was counting on jet lag.

        • Sandy

          She has been there a bit. I bet she is adjusting. That damn jet lag really sux. Especially if if you have to go back and forth.

          • Vaquera

            She commented a few minutes before I inquired, so I thought perhaps she was still ambulatory.

    • Juicer77

      Dang, I am now, 5 hours later. I did have an awake spell but talked myself out of checking the Bunker and forced myself to go back to sleep. Dang dagnabit!

      • Vaquera

        All I was going to say was “Go To Sleep!”

        • Juicer77

          XD xoxo

  • Cars

    At 09:23 PM EDT today, Huffington Post also picked up the story about the two theatres refusing to show ‘Going Clear’ in Florida. The story says the pressure came from church members.
    See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/going-clear-scientology-screenings_56008b12e4b0fde8b0cf82f5

    Interesting to note, Huff Post also got this official response:

    A church representative told The Huffington Post in an email that it would be “inaccurate to say the Church has ‘pressured’ any theater.”

    “Like the movie, these stories are fiction and represent yet another shameless publicity stunt about Gibney’s movie,” the statement continued.

    • FollowTheMoney

      “inaccurate” is a very interesting word to use in a denial. It suggests that a more ‘accurate’ accusation might be able to be levelled.

      • Cars

        Exactly. I believe it would have been more accurate to say, “The church pressured its members to pressure the theatres.”

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      “It’s inaccurate to say the Church has ‘pressured’ any theater.”
      More accurate to say we made them an offer they couldn’t refuse.

    • ReallyMGM

      Semantics, semantics….ugh.

  • Look who else was at Emmy’s

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Mama Mia! She makes me weak in the knees.

      • Supper Powers

        πŸ™

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          But can she cook? That’s the important question.

          • Supper Powers

            You saved yourself….;)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I can haz smartz sometimez.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Even if not, she can brilliantly act like she cooks.

    • EmmaDaoust

      She looks uncannily like Katie in this pic.

    • Nat-leficent

      Preeeetty.

      • Vaquera

        New avi pic?

        • Nat-leficent

          Yesh.

          • Vaquera

            Preeeetty.

            • Nat-leficent

              lol. ty.

            • Vaquera

              Can we play Bunktionary again sometime soon?

            • Nat-leficent

              Sure. Anytime.

            • Vaquera

              conch

            • Nat-leficent

              Let’s shoot for tomorrow. I’m beat today πŸ˜›

            • Vaquera

              No worries. I didn’t mean tonight. Maybe over the weekend.

            • Nat-leficent

              Yes soon!

            • beauty for ashes

              Nat! Can I get your help? I made this for Mockingbird, but I think it neeeeeds a ornate gold frame. elle made fun of his blog and called it a *vanity blog*
              But if you don’t feel like it that’s okay too. F5 and I’m seriously stealing those cheekbones!

            • Nat-leficent

              F5

            • Nat-leficent

              Options
              F5

            • beauty for ashes

              You are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
              Thank you!

            • daisy

              Does Mockingbird look like that.? Just in case, Hey boy. Lets enturbulate together.

            • Exterrier

              I like his vanity blog. A lot. I also like this bit of design.

            • beauty for ashes

              Thank you! I only have Pixlr to work with, and have just started. Sometimes I just want a pencil to draw on the screen! So I really appreciate the encouragement!!!!! πŸ™‚ <3

    • daisy

      I can not do anything with that. Thanks a lot Dodo

    • Kay

      I’m so glad she is having success after her traumatic experience being totally used and discarded by TC and then being punished by DM. It makes me happy to see this picture of her. Good for her !!

    • Kid Kat

      Eat your heart out Tom Cruise Mapother! Although she’s so much better off getting away from TC and Co$… beautiful.

  • order66

    Mr. Ortega asked about people’s favorite parts of Going Clear. The part that sticks out in my mind doesn’t seem to get mentioned very often. Go back and look at the scene where Miscaviage announces the Old Goat’s death. If you pay close attention, you’ll notice that the soon to be Space Pope hesitates more than once, and makes several visible efforts to pull himself together. Maybe he was nervous, understandable since that was the first time he had addressed a huge gathering. Maybe he was genuinely sad, also understandable since he was breaking the news that scientology’s founder and most holy figure had passed. I saw something else.

    Fear. Real fear. This guy was terrified. Granted, everyone here at the Bunker knows that the Diminutive One lives in fear every day that someone might overthrow him, that the money might dry up, or that his dear old Uncle Sam might come knocking and want to take a look at the accountants’ ledgers. The increasingly desperate, pathetic, and even cartoonish attempts to silence dissent and criticism reveal a man who lives with fear every minute of the day.

    Some critics of the cult, especially former members, seem to have convinced themselves that the whole rotten operation won’t come down in their lifetimes, that Miscaviage has made himself untouchable. To those people I say take heart. He is a frightened little child, and he always has been. That constant, sickening fear he feels was evident when he announced Hubbard’s death, and now it may be the only thing he can feel. In other words, he’s human. He may behave in a monstrous fashion, but he isn’t a monster; he’s a man. He’s vulnerable, and always has been. As long as filmmakers like Alex Gibney, websites like the Bunker, and just regular people keep up the pressure, that little boy in a sailor suit will never be free of that fear, and the fear is what will cause him to destroy himself.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Comment well made.

      • order66

        Thanks.

        • A True Prince

          Great Great Great Post, the answers will soon be here when Gibney hands in “Going Clear,Part II” as well as the Old Man Miscavige brings out his tell all book, here’s that Tony interviews Old Man Miscaviage.

          • order66

            The book Miscaviage Sr. is writing should be interesting.

    • Miss Tia

      Nail, on head!

  • Kirstie blocked me on twitter and I don’t think I ever send her any snark. I will take it as a compliment.

    • I’m pretty sure they have an ‘overseer handler’ who’s quick to do all the blocking… wouldn’t surprise me if they have handlers who have their passwords as I found myself blocked by Bohdi [who I didn’t follow or ever tweeted to] when i sent a an enturbulating tweet to Jenna… same for Cardone

      • Miss Tia

        yeah, i’d still love to know what happened months ago when we were blocked by a bunch of them one evening, to some we had never tweeted….that was sort of strange!

      • Odd. I didn’t follow her either. They now try to disconnect from people they are not even connected to.
        Like we can’t see their stupid tweets, when we want to and I almost never do anyway.

        • “handlers”

          • It’s amusing to me, since I’m on Twitter may be once a month and for only a minute or two.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      The Entheta is strong with this one!

      • She is like passive-aggressive ex girlfriend I never had. Spooky and funny, at the same time.

        • Are_sics

          You can think of it as having “had her” when she was pretty, too, to complete the whole satisfaction with ex- picture.

        • daisy

          You better not be referring to me. The girl was looking for you, all I said is that you were around here yesterday bragging about your great ass. I love you Dodo– No I hate you Dodo.

          • I miss you so much! Come back and leave me alone. <3

            • daisy

              I was going to try and top that, not possible. I peed a little into my diaper laughing.

        • Vaquera

          hilarious

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Sexually appealing enough to approach, alarming to know personally, and pathetic in hindsight.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      You can still view her tweets if you sign out… I think. (I don’t use Twitter so I’m guessing.)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      She must have lost her head…

  • can I suggest this as a new new SP technique for anyone willing to experience a street ‘personality test’… it would make for a lovely photo….

    pic

    • EmmaDaoust

      That’s a guy? Thought it was a Miss Cabbage.

      • 9001

        Laughed at that πŸ™‚

    • Miss Tia

      Cabbage Head!!! (from kids in the hall!)

      • EmmaDaoust

        I squeesh your head!

        • Miss Tia

          Here to serve you….aaaannndddd SATAN!

      • salin

        I got buried in gmail. Can’t find your email address. Even though I can’t be at Parma – want to be a part at heart. My gmail is sannloescher@gmail.com also can be reached at loescher@tindley.org (I get less traffic at the latter – so it may be the better email.) Thank you. And congrats again on completing your multi month project.

        I am going to delete this email on the blog in a few seconds, as I don’t want to leave my contact info. public. Trusting the disqus tech method of leaving a PM via the comments. πŸ˜€

      • Nat-leficent
        • Miss Tia

          I LOVE Kids in the Hall!!! Chicken Lady is my favorite! “Straight outta my body and onto your plate”

  • madame duran

    If anyone knows how to stop the doubling of the embedded tweets when I post them, please explain it to me. I only wanted the pictured tweets shown, not the additional texts. Thanks.

    • Vaquera

      When you find a tweet that you’d like to link, click on the three dots to the lower right of the tweet box. Select “copy link to tweet” and then paste it into a comment box here at the Bunker. Tada!

  • FollowTheMoney

    The emoji tweet is comedy gold!

  • outraged

    There was some kind of melee at a concert yesterday which included Skrillex and Diplo, who make music together. An unlikely pair – one a kool aide drinker, the other not.(??!!) Just found this……..:

    • MaxSpaceman

      Diplo reportedly using anti-entheta materiel against the onslaught from Gibney’s documentary film showing in and around Clamwater FL. Saying how effective the device is, Mr Diplo will be reselling units to other Scilons.

    • willloomis

      he ditched playing pre-recorded music to listen to pre-recored lectures

  • Madison KinSmed

    Click the Recommended heart! πŸ™‚

  • Nat-leficent
    • salin

      g’night Nat. Thanks for the panache in visuals that you bring to us all.

  • not my best work, so apologies but I’m on XO rather than vino…. the menu is genuine

    • Another reason not to drink XO. WTF?

      • that’s a genuine cover of Hara Kiri from 1979 [or possibly 80 or 81] when it was well know in France that Travolta was bumming a whole bunch of French male dancers

        • I see. The visual is just too much. Wish I can unsee it.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. THAT.

  • when two nut-jobs collide… can someone make sure Obs gets to see this tomorrow

    [Oh Xenu, please make this happen!!!!!!]

    • Ella Raitch

      That’s a trifecta of crazy

    • He has a symmetrical face. Never a good sign.

    • salin

      And make sure to get you staffers, while here, to do see the mystery sandwich that is The Light Box!

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        But how can I get rid of the zombie if I don’t destroy the brain?

    • Royce Harlow

      I read this tweet a few times, always reading it incorrectly (Cameltoe castle). Freudian slip much?

  • this one goes out to Tony… just hit imgur… Letterman would be all over this… wonder if Colbert will do anything with it

    http://i.imgur.com/Bky6MDG.gifv

    • scottmercer

      The only way that could be more New York would be if the rat was wearing a Yankees cap.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        And cursing with a Brooklyn accent.

    • Ben Franklin

      Is that a rat? whatever it is, it will be feeding for days, possibly weeks.

    • That’s probably the slice that the dog delivered. No wonder it didn’t want it.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      That poor pizza.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Ratteh!

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • daisy

      I have been missing my substance abuse buddy.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        3, fent patches and 2o mg.,Valium. Life is too short to be in pain.

  • Vaquera
  • On this significant day, we really made The Bunker look safe and sane.
    Good job, Bunkerites. I hope lurkers have wicked sense of humor.

    • Jimmy3

      GET YOUR HAND OFF MY TITTY
      What the fuck, man?.. Get your hands off my titties, Dodo laser. I’ll zap you right back.

      • You wish. Hope you get to meet Tony in Cleveland, honey pie.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          I will get to meet TO in 3 days. XD

        • Jimmy3

          I know karate.

          • Sambo (martial art). Look into it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_%28martial_art%29

            • Jimmy3

              I am standing on one leg, with my other leg bent and raised.
              My arms are raised as if I’m a bird.

              I am The Crane.

              Test me, Dodo bird. I don’t approve of bird-on-bird violence up in these bunker streets, but we can do it if you needin some correcting.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I am The Walrus. Coo-coo-cuh-choo.

            • The Crane vs. The Dodo. It’s on buddy. I am extinct, but it’s okay. Love you, JiMMy.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Big Pharma paying you off in “happy pills” again, I see…

        • Jimmy3

          I know karate, Triple D. Back off before I explain what it is.

          • You know karate and you are here for chicks. We know. You just described us all.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. Wait, what?

            • Gotcha. I won the 1st round. Too tired to play 2nd. And not into games.

            • Jimmy3

              Forfeiting is a loss. I won all the rounds.

            • Congrats.

            • Jimmy3

              Thank you, sir. It’s great to win, even when you didn’t even know you were playing until you won.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Are you sure you’ve never been “in?”

            • Jimmy3

              Yes.

          • Robert Eckert

            I bet you know many other Japanese words as well!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Happy is

    • Let us eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we Xenu ….

  • arcinva

    This just came up in my Facebook newsfeed. I have to chuckle when I see how these Scieno-terms are so commonly known now.

  • salin

    I am posting both the song and the lyrics. Replace Margaret/Thatcher references with both Hubbard and Miscavige. The song captures both the sense of contempt held by the politician (replace with Scientology founder and current leader), and the singer’s sense of contempt for the leaders. After re-reading our proprietor’s reports about the brave folks willing to become targets (or further targets) of Co$, This song started ‘ear wigging’ in my head.

    https://youtu.be/K-BZIWSI5UQ

    Elvis Costello – Tramp The Dirt Down Lyrics

    I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
    A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
    She spills with compassion, as that young child’s
    Face in her hands she grips
    Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
    Coming down on that child’s lips

    Well I hope I don’t die too soon
    I pray the lord my soul to save
    Oh I’ll be a good boy, I’m trying so hard to behave
    Because there’s one thing I know, I’d like to live
    Long enough to savor
    That’s when they finally put you in the ground
    I’ll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

    When England was the whore of the world
    Margaret was her madam
    And the future looked as bright and as clear as
    The black tarmacadam
    Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn’t
    Haunted by every tiny detail
    ‘Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
    All she thought of was betrayal

    And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
    Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his only son
    And how it’s only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
    Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
    Try telling me she isn’t angry with this pitiful discontent
    When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
    And then expect you to say thank you straighten up, look proud and pleased
    Because you’ve only got the symptoms, you haven’t got the whole disease
    Just like a schoolboy, whose head’s like a tin-can
    Filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
    Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and maimed
    Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

    Well I hope you live long now, I pray the lord your soul to keep
    I think I’ll be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
    I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
    ‘Cos when they finally put you in the ground
    They’ll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down

    Songwriters: COSTELLO, ELVIS

  • Robert Eckert

    OT, and I know political side-excursions often end badly, but the J&D going on in the UK right now is just too intense to ignore:

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tb8Xmq0k7w Passed the pub that saps your body And the church who’ll snatch your money

    Farewell to this land’s cheerless marches

    Hemmed in like a boar between arches

    Her very Lowness with her head in a sling

    I’m truly sorry but it sounds like a wonderful thing

    I say Charles don’t you ever crave

    To appear on the front of the Daily Mail

    Dressed in your Mother’s bridal veil?

    And so I checked all the registered historical facts

    And I was shocked into shame to discover

    How I’m the 18th pale descendent

    Of some old queen or other

    Oh has the world changed, or have I changed?

    Oh has the world changed, or have I changed?

    Some nine year old tough who peddles drugs

    I swear to God, I swear I never even knew what drugs were

    So I broke into the Palace

    With a sponge and a rusty spanner

    She said: “Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing”

    I said: “that’s nothing – you should hear me play piano”

    We can go for a walk where it’s quiet and dry

    And talk about precious things

    But when you are tied to your mother’s apron

    No-one talks about castration

    We can go for a walk where it’s quiet and dry

    And talk about precious things

    Like love and law and poverty

    These are the things that kill me

    We can go for a walk where it’s quiet and dry

    And talk about precious things

    But the rain that flattens my hair

    These are the things that kill me

    Passed the pub that saps your body

    And the church who’ll snatch your money

    The Queen is dead, boys

    And it’s so lonely on a limb

    Pass the pub that wrecks your body

    And the church, all they want is your money

    The Queen is dead, boys

    And it’s so lonely on a limb

    Life is very long, when you’re lonely

    Life is very long, when you’re lonely

    Life is very long, when you’re lonely

    Life is very long, when you’re lonely

  • willloomis

    hah at 25 seconds in the guitar player in that video copped a riff from the Clapton song “you look wonderful tonight”

  • Bunker’s anti-drug music PSA. Seek real rehabs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evAjHXMajVQ

  • salin

    Welcome to any new lurkers who are new to Scientology, but interested in learning more. May I suggest a great primer: the links at the bottom of each of Tony Ortega’s blog posts. We refer to ‘going down a rabbit hole’, which means finding something new, and reading links – and chasing down other links, in order to get some sort of understanding about one thread or another in the very complex network of entities that are Scientology.

    What can be done? I don’t have the answer to that question. But I do believe that the more people, in more places around the world, that become informed both builds more barriers (due to increased information) to recruitment of new members, and gives a larger/safer space for those who are in, who become brave enough to look at the internet, and then might find enough hope/encouragement to dare to consider/explore leaving the cocoon of Scientology.

    As one who is still learning about the mechanisms that entrap and create intense levels of pressure to stay in the organization, in my quest to understand, I find eerie but important parallels to many contemporary, subtle forms of gimmicks in propaganda. I believe that in getting greater understanding of how this organization can coerce submission of thought, we can learn – and hopefully begin to act collectively to combat forms of thought- coercion in our own localities.

    Again, welcome. From a relative “newbie” to the Underground Bunker. Glad you are here!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      This is an excellent comment.

      And it raises an interesting possibility: That the very advent of the malignant narcissist Hubbard creating his communicable sociopathy will give rise to the very inoculations that did not exist during his era.

      Look at the scholarship and analysis that is occurring. Look a how the means whereby a charismatic conman can hoodwink thousands into a totalitarian super-human ability selling scam is being broken down into the basic elements.

      This is knowledge that will be developed, understood and finally taught so that future generations know, as Arnaldo Lerma says, “how the trick is done.” And so no other similar charlatan can wreak such destruction.

      I see a future where children are taught not only about stranger danger, but how to recognize and avoid all the mental manipulation and abuse of all kinds of psychopaths and conmen. Where Scientology and all its toxic spawn are distant memories. Where anyone who would use spirituality or hypnotism or the trappings of religion to manipulate and gain undue influence over others have no refuge from which to abuse others.

      And at long last, there might be something for which we can grudgingly thank that slimy purveyor of poisonous fantasy.

      • Exterrier

        Good thought. I agree. I wonder if such information would be permitted into society, because it is used constantly by nations, businesses, religions, political associations and other institutions to hold people and societies under some sort of spell. Maybe nobody wants to let the cat out of the bag,,so to speak.
        It would sure be great, though.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-length The only rehabs are religious cults.
    Siberia: Krokodil Tears

  • mook

    So apparently a cult front group Human Rights Hero Awards had an event tonight and they honored non cultie stars Kristin Chenoweth and Terry Crews for their non cult charity work. Anyone care to flood these two celebs on Twitter with info about who they were supporting?

    • Jimmy3

      Hells yeah. Let me line right up to talk shit to Terry Crews. I’ll just google him to see who that oh god
      Oh god no. That guy is fucking ripped. I’ll just congratulate him on his win.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, but Kristin Chenoweth weighs in at about 68lbs. I think maybe she’s inhaled a little too much hair spray. Wasn’t she backing up that rapey clam that was going back on Broadway in Phantom? She seems awful cozy to the clams for a wog. It looks like she also performed tonight.
        Caption:”The amazing @kristenchenoweth27 at #foundationforaslaveryfreeworld with @marisolnichols #humanrights”

        https://www.facebook.com/TheMichaelOConnor/photos/pb.223776737678745.-2207520000.1442902546./957687130954365/?type=3&theater

        • She’s very tight with Krustie

          • Frodis73

            Argh, such a bummer.

      • Juicer77

        Have you not seen him in Brooklyn Nine Nine? Hilarious!! Great ensemble comedy.

    • Juicer77

      Please please please tell Terry Crews. He is an absolute favorite actor of mine. I suspect he would be horrified to learn of this deception.

  • ScaramouchenFandango
    • FollowTheMoney

      Yeah. Someone should tell those non profits that there’s no such thing as a free lunch.

    • Exterrier

      That is pure 100% straight LRH Gung Ho Group policy. It would be worth a article or video by Chris or Jeffrey to reveal what the deceptive Gung Ho group formula is, as designed by LRon. It is an insidious form of “astroturfing” where you form what appears to be a charitable or community centered group, (which is secretly designed to indoctrinate Scientology into the populace and gain converts….see ABLE), and use it to mingle and ally and position yourselves with actual community groups and activities in your town or city, etc. This way you can legitimize your proselytizing activities in the guise of charity, and also mingle with more and more people.

      This is just another of Ron’s policies he wrote after studying the much older Communist Party methods of infiltration into the mainstream. I read former cPUSA president Benjamin Gitlow’s book, “The Whole of Their Lives”, and you can see how Ron borrowed liberally from the communist M.O. They would eventually infiltrate and take over some unions, art guilds, or even peace movements, so as to divert their activities towards directions dictated by the politburo in Moscow.
      Gung Ho policies even admit to this design and function. It was all so manipulative. The use of “.front groups” is quite an old tactic. Heck, you see it done by corporations these days.

      • ScaramouchenFandango

        Beautiful post. I hadn’t read that L.R.H had studied and borrowed from the older Communist Party. Of course he did. Borrowed, stole, claimed and spread it. You are right. Someone should write more about The Gung Ho Group Policy and make the Wise Front Groups known to the general public. There’s money in them there hills.

  • Edward Clarke

    There was some discussion about who wrote the new disclaimers last night with claims they didn’t read like the usual Scientology copy. Now I may read too much into a sentence, but either the final disclaimer isn’t perfectly written, or a very subtle attack to Scientology has been added. *Very* subtle. I’ve posted the pic again below. Anyway, it says “accusations… made by discredited former Scientologists who seek to further their own personal agenda.” There’s a teeny tiny mistake here which leads to the sentence actually discrediting *itself*. The word agenda is singular, it should have been plural (the word agenda was plural long, long ago, and the disclaimer ain’t in Latin so that’s no excuse). So, by being singular, it is telling us that all these former Scientologsts all had the *exact same* agenda, whilst at the same time the agenda was *personal*. Basically these former Scientologists, under a strict reading of this disclaimer, according to Miscavige, mysteriously have all come up with *identical* complains… ON THEIR OWN!

    • B4you

      These people are living in the 50’th and they do as LRH told them. Don’t expect them!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Do any of these clams have goals that don’t involve money? Yeesh
    (refresh)

    • kemist

      Unless he’s writing a 100 million dollar cheques, I’m not interested.

      Another asshole who promises people they’ll get what they want by wishful thinking. And “work ethics”, bwahahahahahaha…. Yes, your “work ethics” will make somebody rich. That person just isn’t you.

  • B4you

    This is how you should do it πŸ™‚

    “On January 8, 2009, an 18-year-old male member of Anonymous ran into the New York Scientology building shirtless and covered with Vaseline, pubic hair, and toenail clippings.He then proceeded to toss books around and smear the mixture on objects in the building.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology

  • Exterrier

    Barracuda smile. Don’t those Taiwanese notice that?

    • ScaramouchenFandango

      They look vulnerable.

      • Exterrier

        They think he will turn them into rich Americans, maybe. That is most likely what is promised.

        • ScaramouchenFandango

          Yep, they are smiling now but will become very sad in the near future.

          • Exterrier

            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
            Of cabbages–and kings–
            And why the sea is boiling hot–
            And whether pigs have wings.”

            “But wait a bit,” the Oysters cried,
            “Before we have our chat;
            For some of us are out of breath,
            And all of us are fat!”
            “No hurry!” said the Carpenter.
            They thanked him much for that.

            “A loaf of bread,” the Walrus said,
            “Is what we chiefly need:
            Pepper and vinegar besides
            Are very good indeed–
            Now if you’re ready, Oysters dear,
            We can begin to feed.”

            “But not on us!” the Oysters cried,
            Turning a little blue.
            “After such kindness, that would be
            A dismal thing to do!”
            “The night is fine,” the Walrus said.
            “Do you admire the view?

            “It was so kind of you to come!
            And you are very nice!”
            The Carpenter said nothing but
            “Cut us another slice:
            I wish you were not quite so deaf–
            I’ve had to ask you twice!”

            “It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,
            “To play them such a trick,
            After we’ve brought them out so far,
            And made them trot so quick!”
            The Carpenter said nothing but
            “The butter’s spread too thick!”

            “I weep for you,” the Walrus said:
            “I deeply sympathize.”
            With sobs and tears he sorted out
            Those of the largest size,
            Holding his pocket-handkerchief
            Before his streaming eyes.

            “O Oysters,” said the Carpenter,
            “You’ve had a pleasant run!
            Shall we be trotting home again?’
            But answer came there none–
            And this was scarcely odd, because
            They’d eaten every one.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Tuesday, 22 September 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Sunday 20th: Detroit did well and leads SFBay.
    Monday 21st: Boston scored a couple and saved the day.

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

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  • Sid_Snakey

    Tony – you’re right about the UK libel laws, and the impact it has on publishing.

    However, it’s interesting in terms of what gets published in the UK and what does not.

    Yesterday saw a huge scandal break, where a former colleague of David Cameron (UK Prime Minister) alleged that the young Cameron had sex with a dead pig as part of a bizarre initiation ritual into a university social club.

    Now that allegation is completely uncorroborated, yet has been published. Now, David Cameron might not have the legal muscle of the CofS, but he is wealthy.

    Presumably the publishing house believes their source, but even still, it appears to be a huge gamble on their part. So what’s the problem with publishing Larry’s book? It seems pretty well researched and fact-checked.

    • Scream Nevermore

      The libel laws in England and Wales changed in 2013 – but not NI. It’s their fault everything gets held up! Tho there are differences between England and Scotland too. http://www.brodies.com/node/4120

  • james hollingsworth

    Is it just me, or does Jim Mathers look like Uncle Fester from the Addams family? Scary and creepy!

  • Sejanus

    Jim Mathers once had a promising career…
    as Voldemorts head host.

  • RGN

    That guy looks like a classic perv. Manhandling girls looking like they are in schoolgirl outfits. Gross.

  • Lighthouse

    A childhood friend of the family who lives in the UK WhatsApped my sister in South Africa to say that she’d just seen a disturbing documentary on $cientology. I’m betting it was Going Clear on Sky Atlantic. I’ve asked my sister to ask her for the details.

    From the UK to South Africa. The news is travelling….

  • Antonia Willis

    Better late than never – just watched it over here in the UK, FASCINATING, what an excellent film. For me perhaps the most illuminating bit was when someone commented that the further up you went in scientology, the further you went into the mind of L Ron Loony – what a terrifying thought, being taken over by the thought patterns of the fat redhead. I also couldn’t help wondering whether there was any connection between the initials OT for Operating Thetan (hilarious concept) & Crowley’s Ordo Templi (Orientis) – was LRH clinging on to a memory of his jolly goat-conjuring days?

  • ThetanPlace

    I may be in Forest Hills, NY this weekend. I thought it might be fun to take a
    picture of Miss Lovely in front of the Executive apartment building for this page. Does anyone by any chance know the exact address of the “nondescript second-floor walk-up in the middle of a block on
    Codwise Place” (per Russell Miller) in Elmhurst that Hubbard then moved to in 1973? If
    the structure still exists, I’d take another shot there. It’s not a long
    street, only .21 miles, so I could take pictures of anything that fits the
    description, or just the street sign.