SUPPORT THE UNDERGROUND BUNKER
You can either make a one-time donation to the site via Paypal...

...or you can subscribe and get billed monthly:

FOLLOW ME ON
SUBSCRIBE TO OUR
E-MAIL LIST
To join our e-mail list & get daily updates on new stories, e-mail us at newstory@tonyortega.org.
RSS Feed
Click here to add The Underground Bunker to your RSS Reader

Is David Miscavige really planning to extend Scientology’s ‘Bridge’?

Freewinds107

We don’t always see the newest issue of the Freewinds, a Scientology publication that gets passed around a little less often than Impact or Celebrity or International Scientology News.

But a new edition made its way to us, and it contained a story we thought you’d want to hear about. We’d been hearing some things about New Jersey dentist Louis Feldman. He’s an OT 8, the highest level of spiritual achievement that a Scientologist can attain. And he penned an article in Freewinds about how he’s gone back down to the bottom end of the Bridge to do low-level courses like the Student Hat, a basic introduction to learning.

Why? Well, Louis says he’s getting ready for the next great Scientology advance, the release of levels OT 9 and OT 10. He’s also reportedly been telling people that he’s been given the role as ambassador specifically to prepare people for the release of the new levels. We wanted to ask him about that, but the number at his dentist’s office asked us to enter a code to access a voice mail system. Odd.

We’ve been hearing for years about OT 9 and 10. The story Scientology leader David Miscavige wants followers to believe is that L. Ron Hubbard had planned to reveal new material up to OT 15 at some point, but that the world simply wasn’t ready for anything above OT 8 until certain prerequisites were met. It’s one of the many things that Scientologists continually hear in order to convince them to keep giving money and keep doing prerequisites — some day, OT 9 and 10 will be released, but only when they’ve done enough to deserve it.

LouisFeldman

Says Louis…

Right after my wife and I completed the Competence and Leadership Course, I did my new Student Hat Course and my prerequisites for New OT IX and X. My wife completed four courses and the Purification Rundown. We were able to significantly create effects on the fourth dynamic by using our new leadership drills to bring order and large contributions to the IAS.

Translation: We’re such powerful beings now, we can convince other people to give more cash to Scientology!

As we said, we’ve been hearing about OT 9 and 10 for a long time. Karen de la Carriere reminded us that years ago, Scientologists were told the names of the higher levels: OT 8 (“Truth Revealed”) would be followed by OT 9 (“Orders of Magnitude”) and OT 10 (“Character”). In 2013 we published a first-hand account by a Scientologist who attended a Michael Chan lecture about the unreleased levels. Chan goes from org to org, trying to whip up enthusiasm to get flagging Scientologists to pay more money and complete more levels. During his lecture, he claimed that once they could get to OT 9 and 10, Scientologists will then be able to add 60 years to their lifespans, and they could also mock up clones of themselves! Wow.

So why hasn’t David Miscavige released this miraculous technology already? Who wouldn’t love to have a personal clone army to take care of all those pesky chores?

Well, a couple of years ago, former top Scientology executive Mark “Marty” Rathbun rained on everyone’s parade. In one of his books, Rathbun asserted that Hubbard had not, in fact left behind any OT levels above OT 8. Miscavige, he claimed, was just pulling everyone’s leg.

But hang on. We keep hearing from more and more sources that Scientologists are told that the release of OT 9 and 10 is actually imminent. We have to admit, we once doubted that the Super Power building would ever open, but it did. And GAT 2? Miscavige saw that through. And really, what’s to prevent Miscavige from releasing something he calls OT 9 and 10 — who would be in a position to judge whether it was really material that L. Ron Hubbard had written? And why are OT 9 and 10 always mentioned together, rather than separately?

We turned to one of our experts on the tech, Claire Headley, and asked her these questions. This was her response…

I know no OT levels were developed past OT 8. I heard a rumor that there was a transcript of a meeting or meetings Hubbard had with Ray Mithoff where he supposedly gave his idea of what those upper levels are, but I never saw those notes. They were kept in a safe in Miscavige’s office.

I don’t give much credence to the names necessarily (“Orders of Magnitude”). Hubbard was all about his names and labels as you know.

But as to why two OT levels, I’d say the answer to that is that they go together so to speak. Like OT 1-3 is a package deal, you can’t finish OT 1 and not immediately go onto OT 2. Plus if it’s a package deal, it’s instantly a double revenue scenario when packaged that way.

I had wondered while I was still there if Miscavige would make the running program (the “Cause Resurgance Rundown”) an OT level. Or take parts of the L rundowns and turn those into OT Levels, since those are not part of the required Grade Chart steps. But I never had a distinctive idea of what OT 9 and 10 were, and I absolutely know they were not being worked on in any of the 14 years I was at the Base.

Another thought on this, as far as I know for many years it was always promoted to the public that when all orgs achieved Saint Hill Size, that’s when those levels would be released according to instructions from Hubbard. Obviously that target has not been accomplished, so I’m curious what their spin on that is.

But yes, Miscavige could and would package anything and then sell it to the Scientology public as “the real deal” and who’s to say otherwise?

Yes, it should be obvious even to Scientologists that the orgs today aren’t anywhere near “Saint Hill Size” — the elusive measuring stick related to Scientology’s boom times in the early and mid 1960s, when Hubbard was running Scientology from his UK headquarters at Saint Hill Manor. But perhaps Miscavige is desperate enough to sell new, expensive higher levels that he’ll waive that requirement.

We’d love to hear from our techies — if Miscavige is about to reveal OT 9 and 10, what might he put in them? And will they pass muster with his followers?

Karen reminded us that some people have been waiting a really long time, as this 1987 receipt shows…

 
OT9Receipt

 
——————–

BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable
We didnโ€™t get a chance to include photos in our book, so weโ€™ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry (with Paulette Cooper)

July 14: Hartford, MARK TWAIN HOUSE (with Tom Tomorrow)

July 17: Denver, The Secular Hub, 7 pm (with Chris Shelton)

July 20: Dallas, Times Ten Cellar, 7 pm (with Robert Wilonsky)

July 22: Houston, Fox and Hound, 11470 Westheimer Road, sponsored by Humanists of Houston

July 24: San Antonio, Folc Restaurant, 6 pm

July 25: Austin

July 29: Paris (with Jonny Jacobsen)

August 4: London, Conway Hall, (with John Sweeney)

August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Arizona State University

Sept 23: Cleveland

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland

Sept 28: Seattle

Sept 30: Vancouver, BC

 
——————–

Posted by Tony Ortega on July 1, 2015 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94@gmail.com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

Share Button
Print Friendly, PDF & Email
  • nottrue

    Come on BBC CNN New york Times what are you waiting for…

  • Of course the clones are invisible. Only OT Xs can see them. And they can’t actually do anything in the real world. The only effects they can create are in the spirit world. And people don’t notice them, but they are there.

    It’s like when I’m sitting at a red light and I tell my clone to go turn it green and 1 minute later the light is green just like I wanted. Or when I am driving around a parking lot and looking for a parking spot and then I send my clone to go empty out a parking spot and so I follow this couple who are pushing a shopping cart and wait as they load the car and then they back out and leave and then BOOM, parking spot. Just like I wanted. My clone is really helpful you guys for realsies.

    I am so happy I paid $200,000 for OT IX and X. I am really super happy about it. I can do all kinds of neat things like if I want water, I just postulate water and then I go in the kitchen and get a glass and fill it with water and then BOOM. There’s the water I postulated.

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01570/John-Travolta_1570877c.jpg

    • Observer

      It’s been so beautiful! *tear*

      refresh

      • Saltarello

        This painting really is sort of a Where’s Waldo of depravity. Every time I see it I notice a new disturbing detail.

      • Snake Plissken

        He needs some Spock ears

        • Saltarello

          And instead of a microphone… a lollipop? Ice cream cone? (I’m sure Obs takes the high road, when push comes to shove. Not there’s ever any shoving allowed in the Bunker.)

      • ze moo

        That’s some serious Jerry Lewis he is channeling….

        • Sherbet

          I see Jar Jar Binks.

          • Saltarello

            With a golden yarmulke.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, yeah! Must be High Holy Days in scientology.

      • Alice Graves

        Do any of you master shoopers have a graphic of a bridge to nowhere with people falling to their deaths at the end? That would be a fitting image for OT 9 & 10.

        • Saltarello

          Not a shooper, master or otherwise, but here’s an image that might have potential.

          • Beth

            very cool image. what’s the source Saltarello?

            • Saltarello

              I don’t know the source. The picture appears on several websites, but none (that I have found so far) say where it came from. I’ll let you know if I come up with anything.

              I found it while looking for this image from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

            • Beth

              Thanks for that. I’ll see if I can hunt it down on the web.

        • Lady Squash

          How about adding bankruptcies, suicides, insanity and broken families.

      • This image is incredible

        • Observer

          I think the inside of Bosch’s head must have been a scary place

    • EmmaDaoust

      “If I could make a light go green, I’d make it go green..” Dan Hicks

    • salin

      … I send my clone after my puppy when it’s time to take my puppy out and BOOM! the puppy appears at the door – ready to go – all waggy-like. When I want to warm some cocoa up – send in the clone – and a few minutes later I put the cocoa in the microwave and BOOM. Warm cocoa.

    • Lady Squash

      ROFL! Thank you for so beautifully describing true OT abilities. We laugh about parking space magic being an OT ability, but it’s true–not even an exaggeration. I was there. I heard an OT-8 once exclaim excitedly that her postulates were working because a parking space materialized for her as if by magic. She was ecstatic. I felt such pity for her. I knew the fortune she and her husband had “donated” to the church. I knew the hell she had gone through to get through the level. I laughed till I cried.

      • Bleuler

        What amazes me, both from reading the old Impact posted here and from continuing stories is how the “Parking Magic” lives on. It just begs fort the question “Do you find it worth the money and time invested?”. I live in Sweden and hardly ever have problems finding parking space despite being an evil psych. Maybe I am missing something, maybe in America finding a parking space is on par with flying, making things appear out of thin air or having power over life and death?

        • Verve

          Only in New York City.

        • Lady Squash

          In psychology, I believe the “Parking Magic” would be called confirmation bias. It isn’t about finding that one parking space. Rather, finding that parking proves that Scientology works. It has little to do with logic.
          In some areas such as Chicago, parking spaces are as rare as hens teeth and finding one is a triumph. In smaller towns, such as the one I live in, you’d be laughed out of town if you were excited about finding a parking place. Hope this explanation helps to put some perspective on the “Parking Magic” phenomena.

      • Lora Mohr

        If it costs upwards of $300k to buy this parking theta, why not just take taxis? With a typical $3 drop and $3 per mile in California…it seems like you might need a minimum of 12 years to recoup the lower estimates of the parking benefit (assuming typical driving habits.) Add in the costs of car ownership over that time, and you can add another 7 years to the amortization. This assumes zero inflation for both auditing and taxi fares…does not take into account IAS donations or the shortened life expectancy of someone on the upper OT levels.

    • Jenstnick
  • George M. White

    “Another thought on this, as far as I know for many years it was always promoted to the public that when all orgs achieved Saint Hill Size, thatโ€™s when those levels would be released according to instructions from Hubbard. Obviously that target has not been accomplished, so Iโ€™m curious what their spin on that is.” Claire Hedley
    We were told that once OT IX and X were released, the orgs had to be Saint Hill size because the influx of new public would be massive. More dreams.
    I have no doubt that Miscavige will write his own OT IX and OT X. My guess is that it will be in 2025 when he is ready to retire to a castle in Italy with Tom Cruise.

    • Saltarello

      While all the cool kids are at a villa on Lake Como with George Clooney.

    • Snake Plissken

      I thought the Orgs had to be Saint Hill sized because the newly created OTIX and OTX ‘Big Beings’ needed the energy of a large enough group of ‘thetans’ around them to do whatever it is they needed to do, or some bullshit like that.

      • George M. White

        Could be. There is a certain type of ant which captures the babies of another colony and makes them slaves.

  • Cedilla

    A brand new cruise ship would be fitting for the next great Scientology advance of OT 9 and OT 10.

    Who would want to do the new levels on the 47 year old Free Winds?

    • Snake Plissken

      Yeah their David Miscavige sized cruise ship isn’t going to cut it to unleash the powers of OTIX and OTX , they’re going to need one that doesn’t get laughed at when it pulls into port.

    • Saltarello

      Would all FW1 courses have to be repeated on the FW2? Would they somehow be even perfecter than they were on the FW1?

      • Cedilla

        No.
        The new cruise ship would be the new ,ultimate, status symbol.
        OT1 thru 8 would still be done on the old ship.

        • Rita Gregory

          They should call the new ship Free Shelly.

          • Cedilla

            Rita,
            Another hearty laugh.
            That is so funny.

    • Sherbet

      DM is about to send you a big honkin’ trophy for that epic idea, Cedilla.

      • Cedilla

        A new ship makes sense for the new levels.
        It should not be Freewinds II.

        • Sherbet

          You’re correct. I smell a fundraiser coming.

        • Observer

          The Marcabian Falcon?

          • MarcabExpat

            My god. If you don’t shoop that, I’ll start believing you’ve been replaced by a pod. How can you not shoop that?

    • Newiga

      They really need to do better than a stinky old cruise ship for OT 9 and OT 10. Those levels require something extra special.

      A space ship, you say?? Noooo, let me introduce you to SP-47 Xenuvius (F5).

      http://pixdaus.com/files/items/pics/3/68/21368_004b2ce9d3fadb68bac32ac8a4df7857_mdsq.jpg

      • Newiga

        Fundraising has already begun. Ask OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    • Eclipse-girl

      It should be held in a space station.

    • chukicita

      Now there’s a fundraiser waiting to happen!

  • nottrue

    You mean like a TR..How much is that gonna cost me..https://twitter.com/JennaElfman/status/616136747571892224

    • Observer

      She always tries to sound deep, but the effect she’s going for is ruined by the fact that my brain adds “Have you raped a baby!?” at the end of everything she says.

      • Sherbet

        GMTA, Obs.

      • Alice Graves

        Holy mackerel! Is she on tape actually saying that?

      • sugarplumfairy

        How anyone can force the words rape and baby out of her mouth goes to show how screwed up she is.. She must be TR’d out the wazoo..

    • Sherbet

      That’s an interesting and noble thought, coming from a woman who sees baby rapists in certain people she’s “gazed upon.”

      Edit: Please, someone, repost that video of Elfman going bananas. It’s stunningly pathetic.

    • Jimmy4

      Remember that time David Miscavige thought his father was having a heart attack and told his PI to let him die?
      I’m having a hard time seeing the ethical and spiritual perfection.

    • Saltarello

      OK, you hear no evil and see no evil… now please speak no evil.

    • beauty for ashes

      You will most likely get screwed over by people Jenna! There is a difference between Namaste (I greet or see the God within you) and being TRed to see perfection where there is none. Talk about a drop off in expectations.

    • madame duran

      Twitter blocking in 5…4…3…2…

  • EmmaDaoust
    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Happy Canada Day! <3 (F5)

  • guest9001

    It’s looking like the cash flow has stopped,
    As there’s no new victims coming in, so they’ve come up with some BS to get money from “already ins”.
    OT 9 could be: Stand around an Idle Morgue and make it look busy.
    OT 10: Fight those BT’s that are stopping people getting into those Idle Morgues!

    I’ve been listening to the Darrell Powell part 3 interview with the police and if this statement to the police was given under caution it may be evidence for the IRS,
    At around 9 minutes –
    Police interview with Darrell Powell PI (Part 3)

    “What is Scientology? Is it a religion?”

    “No it’s a Corporation.”

    Exhibit A?

  • Matt in Atlanta

    More on the Going Clear smear campaign. I was watching the “Weather Channel” today and clicked on a video they had up. Once I clicked on the video an add appeared. The damn thing was 6 minutes long. Called ‘The truth about Going Clear”. Real hatchet job. Caught me totally of guard.

    • Snake Plissken

      I would if there is even a single person that has run across these advertisements and come away thinking something other than Scientology is Batshit Crazy.

      • Matt in Atlanta

        I agree. Out of the blue this add comes up. People watching it think WTF is this. Then the sad really creeps in. OOHHH! Scientology……. that sum crazy shit!

    • Rita Gregory

      They just keep giving ‘Going Clear’ free publicity.

      • Snake Plissken

        Yes and adding to the fact of how creepy Scientology is. No we’re not a creepy cult, that’s why we’re spending money to bad mouth a movie on the fucking Weather Channel

  • sugarplumfairy

    Lol.. Freewinds.. Should be called Expensive as Sh*t Winds..

    • Snake Plissken

      I love how they call a ship that you are trapped on, ‘The Freewinds’ , it’s so typical of them call it the exact opposite of what it is.

      • Robert Hammond

        Like bridge to total freedom = dungeon to total slavery and mind control.

      • Newiga

        That tidbit of irony might made me chuckle if I didn’t know of the horrors that take place on that sticking boat.

        • MaxSpaceman

          besides that boat sticking, it stinks pretty well, too ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Newiga

            Whoops… *>_<*

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Do people take sci courses while the ship is docked? As in during their whole time on board?

      • sugarplumfairy

        I don’t think so, but I’m no expert.. I do know they have parties there when they stay docked..

      • Kestrel

        I don’t follow the Freewinds location all the time, but it seems like it only moves from one port to another in the middle of the night, as in: leave at midnight, dock by 6am. This tells me that all normal activity is done while it is docked.

      • Draco

        As far as I know, they keep pretty much the same hours as any org, whether they are docked or at sea. Someone posted a while back that even though the ads for Freewinds are all fun in the sun, scuba diving, exploring exotic islands etc, people are heavily discouraged from wasting time like that. Pressure is put on to put in maximum hours in auditing or courses – stats, you know.

  • Robert Hammond

    Whenever is see the words Scientology and dentist in the same sentence I think about the horrible condition of L Ron Hubbard’s teeth. That’s about the same condition their bank accounts will be in when they get through with Hubbard’s “tech.”

    A great example of Scientology “tech” can be seen with orthodontist John Waldron who abandoned all of his patients when he suddenly went out of business. See: http://www.thepostnewspapers.com/brunswick/local_news/brunswick-orthodontist-leaves-patients-out-in-the-cold/article_7e7b2b06-1144-551c-9546-5199e617d1eb.html

    How’s that “tech” working now? See also: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-waldron.html

    Are there any up-to-date publication listing all of the WISE guy dentists and chiropractors to stay away from?

    • Eclipse-girl

      I would love to find have list.

    • Snake Plissken

      Yep this is exacty the man I want to show dentists how to run their business

      http://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/03/30/5519bcea0acde13473db418a_a-going-clear-uncomfortable.jpg

      • Robert Hammond

        Who would even buy a toothbrush from this man?

        • April

          Much less his so-called secrets of the universe! gahhhhh

      • Jimmy4

        It’s probably just like that old riddle… You walk into a barbershop and there are 2 barbers. One has the perfect coif of a news anchorman, the other looks like he lost a fight with a lawnmower. Which do you want to cut your hair?

        • flyonthewall

          would you have any hands left to cut hair with if you lost a fight with a lawnmower? I don’t think so. I imagine that like chimps, if a lawnmower attacks it’s going for hands, feet, face and genitalia first.

      • Saltarello

        If you’re going for the trout pout look, you have to do both lips.

      • Frank Lee

        But his super powers fixed this! You are seeing an illusion!

        • Snake Plissken

          I don’t think superpowers would have cut it on that project. You’d need some industrial strength construction equipment and a team of engineers to fix that trainwreck of a mouth

          • Frank Lee

            Yea, well we all knew he had a gutter mouth always talkin’ trash!

  • Eclipse-girl
  • Jimmy4

    I don’t like comparing Scientology to Nazis, because that’s ridiculous, but “ultimate win” does sound a little creepy in the “master plan” sense.

    • Snake Plissken

      How much more Nazi can you get than Hubbard’s vision of ‘Homo Novus’?

      • Jimmy4

        Hubbard had some Nazi-like tendencies and beliefs, but overall it’s a ridiculous comparison. The Nazis started a war that killed ~80 million people. They tortured and slaughtered millions of human beings.

        • Snake Plissken

          Oh I know you can’t compare what the Nazi did to what L. Ron Hubbard’s cult is doing, but the mindset is the same, and I don’t doubt for a minute that if the cult was given the opportunity to enslave anyone who wasn’t a Scientologist they would hesitate for a second. Scientology is a totalitarian cult. It’s a David Miscavige sized version of North Korea.

          • Jimmy4

            With similar Cold War era technology.
            “Dammit! The fax machine is down again. Get that guy who fixes it in here.”
            “Uhh.. That guy died in 1997…”

        • Perhaps a better comparison would be the creepy eugenic ‘movement’ that exercised considerable influence before the rise of Hitler. It was shamed (almost) out of existence when the Nazis actually put it into practice.

          People like George Bernard Shaw fell for Eugenics when it was only theory. Like the overwhelming majority of Scientologists he would have recoiled from the real world consequences.

          I think Hubbard was more influenced by pre-war eugenic theorists than Adolph.

      • Robert Hammond

        The only difference is that Hubbard died before he could rise to national power and Miscagive is on his way down before he could gain any credibility. The ideology and intentions are the same. Lesser beings, critics, gays, and minorities, according to Hubbard, should shipped off to die “quietly and without sorrow.”

        http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/02/02/the-horriying-real-secret-of-scientology/

        • Snake Plissken

          Well David Miscavige will get his chance to rise to power once again within the prison he’ll be incarcerated in … Could you image how hilarious that would be?

          • Draco

            Red wine on monitor!! ๐Ÿ˜€
            Hilarious indeed. I think he will find it a little harder to beat up guys bigger than he is, in there!

          • Robert Hammond

            I don’t think he’ll be much of a match for leaders of the Aryan Brotherhood, Mexican Mafia, or Black Guerrilla Family. But maybe Charles Manson can offer him some protection as a fellow Scientology brother in exchange for some special auditing sessions.

      • ReallyMGM

        I would love to have a peek at Miscavige’s bookshelf. Would set the question to rest who he draws inspiration from (aside from LRH). Other cult leaders did have books about Hitler among their reading material.

        • Snake Plissken

          Just watch a few minutes of one of his Nuremberg Rallies and you’ll have little doubt where he draws his inspiration from .

          • ReallyMGM

            Those are creepy as hell! No doubt at all.

    • beauty for ashes

      Jimmy **sigh** go stand in the corner, you know what you did.

    • Robert Hammond

      Hubbard’s master race theory was one of the big hints that Hitler was one of his inspirations. Jeffrey Augustine did a good job covering this topic in Scientology Money Project. See: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/02/02/the-horriying-real-secret-of-scientology/

  • salin

    Just because… seems like the Road to Nowhere just got longer… (and well because David Byrne)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk

    • Saltarello

      Hey I was just thinking about this. And Sarah Palin cartoons.

      • salin

        I must be getting old… I remembered the title as Bridge to Nowhere – before realizing that was a slogan in Alaska politics. Great minds think alike and all that.,,

    • beauty for ashes

      yeah! <3 <3 <3

  • Richard

    With the release of OTIX and OTX, I really do believe that Planetary Clearing is now within reach.
    Well, at least in the UK. (warning/spoiler for all those OTVIIIs who have already paid for their next levels – photoshopping in use!)

    • Draco

      The Richard Chain Gang!

    • Frank Lee

      You know my father’s name was Richard, and sometimes he was a real Dick! (Yes, that was a joke!)

  • aquaclara

    Ok, I grabbed a sharpie and a box of crayons for my Duggan drawing for Miss Tia’s big event. Send In before 2 tomorrow! I can’t draw for beans, so if I did one, you can, too!
    Here’s your chance. The directions are around here somewhere…

    • aquaclara

      Here we go. Easy-peezy.
      Miss Tia โ€ข 9 hours ago

      Deadline is tomorrow 2pm!! DRAW BOB DUGGAN!! Rules here: https://www.facebook.com/event… (if you’re not on FB, basically draw Duggan, if you shoop, please use a copyright free image,
      send to misstiaemail(at)yahoo(dot)com and let me know how you want to listed name wise and you don’t need any artistic talent!)

      • Draco

        I get Page not found.

        • aquaclara

          Sorry. Must be something in the copying. Change your setting to oldest, and it’s the first message of the day.
          Wanna borrow some crayons?!

          • Draco

            I got lots of crayons thanks!

            • aquaclara

              Have fun!

  • RK

    Pick a process, any process, or just make one up. The OT levels are pure made up gobbledygook, so it doesn’t matter. People will still just shine it on and claim all sorts of “wins.” As for the dentist, I’ve never heard of him so I doubt his assertions that he’s having much impact on the 4th dynamic as a result of his newly found ability to “bring large donations to the IAS.” Poor fellow. He has no idea how small his world view is.

    • coonellie

      Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this statement, “The OT levels are pure made up gobbledygook, so it doesn’t matter.”

      I believe it matters a great deal because it causes many people to have psychotic breaks, mental breakdowns, lingering (and lasting) psychological problems, and most importantly, fear of the outside world.

      Gobbledygook, as you call it, would be more akin to children playing a game of telephone. The end result would be a mangled version of the original, but unlikely to cause psychological harm.

      OT levels were designed for specific outcomes by Hubbard – and they accomplish their goal, although not the one(s) Scientologists expect. Hubbard’s “gobbledygook” is evil and intentional.

  • Richard

    Very early on, when I had just been introduced to Scientology, I once remarked that it was unbelievable that Ron Hubbard had managed to accomplish so much during his life.

    I actually remember the words I used when I asked this to an experienced Scientologist:

    ” How did Ron Hubbard manage to write and achieve so much during his life?”

    The reply was instantaneous:

    “Do you not know that Ron doubled his body? There were at least two Rons.”

    And there you have OTIX and OTX.

    • Draco

      OK – now that story I would not have fallen for. Unfortunately, I can’t say I would have run a mile if someone said that to me. I would just have thought he was one of the “crazy people” that latched onto scn.

      • Richard

        These were the types of stories that made the whole thing fascinating……unfortunately.

        • Draco

          You are right. I wasn’t against the idea that you COULD run 2 bodies at once, I just didn’t believe anyone was capable of doing that right then. Way up the Bridge somewhere – possibly. As they say – one born every minute…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Based on girth alone, I’d say that Ron had tripled his body…!

    • Information I have obtained from a totally spurious leaked audio recording leads me to suspect there were no less than five Hubbards.

      Consider this extract:

      LRH Do Scientologists worship me?
      Chorus They do Ron, Ron, Ron, they do Ron Ron

      • ze moo

        You need to change radio stations.

  • Robert Hammond

    Another question about Louis Feldman, this OT 8 dentist. Assuming you have to get past “Clear” to get to OT, why does he still need to wear glasses? Isn’t the state of “Clear” advertised as raising your IQ and give you perfect vision?

    How do Scientologists reconcile the idea that nobody even has the powers advertised for the state of “Clear” when they start paying for OT super powers?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      BTs the BTs aren’t clear thus they’re dragging down your perfect vision. –My Guess

      • Draco

        He’s an OT8 – BTs are supposedly all gone when you finish OT7 – “The End of Endless BTs Rundown”

        • MostEthicalPimp

          OT9, “You guessed more hidden BTs!”
          One of things that always got me about the OT3 story was that people pre-OT3 weren’t said to have any special powers.

    • Frank Lee

      Everything you don’t achieve is your fault. Get in an argument with your girlfriend? Well it isn’t your fault or hers, but you have to badger her until she tells you who IS responsible! Insanity at it’s best!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Ahem.

    I thought Scientologists already had the ability to mock up clones of themselves:

    (refresh)

    • MostEthicalPimp

      So this guy is the result of the OT9 pilot program. It’s all starting to make sense now! Clones!!!!!

    • Draco

      Seriously weird pic. And everyone looking so serious in the “friendliest place on the planet”.

      • Frank Lee

        You’d look serious too if you knew the consequence of not posing for the pic was a beating, sleep deprivation and starvation!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It is actually a frame grab from very near the end of this:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38lGTbRTFk0

    • Missionary Kid

      What has red hair, big feet, and lives in a test tube?

      Bozo the clone.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Dang me, dang me! Furiously going about mocking up clones to take care of enough pesky chores to stifle gOdzilla, I was apprehended outside my Dry Cleaners, instead of my clone– yeah, they got me, for clone mocking.

    Fast tracked before a judge, upon my lawyers advice, when asked, How do yo plead? I turned to the court and announced, Your Honor- I plead, Hubbardhausen by Proxy.

    • Juicer77

      I can’t believe Chico didn’t bail you out! He must be jealous of all the attention the clones are getting ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Over the years many scams within the scam have been employed.
    In order to get MORE time, $$$$ and attendance from the flock, these stipulations were announced
    by the flim flam man, In order for OT IX and X to be released the following had to happen~~

    1) 10,000 people must be auditing on daily Solo Nots (OT VII)
    and

    2) All Orgs must be IDEAL (In palatial palaces with locals paying for it)
    and

    3) Every Scientologist must have bought the BASICs, Studied the BASICs and “graduated” the BASICs

    and so on. Read more here ~~
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-ix-x-promises-promises/

    Now that revenue has flat-lined, less flocking for Super Power and the Running Program, a new plot of something to sell surfaces.

    God help those who are guinea pigs for the early experimental OT IX and X. The beta testing of OT VIIIs (those who had it in first 2 years) were all recalled hurriedly, some had mental breakdowns, others had huge adverse effects and some simply left Scientology forever.

    • Draco

      “1) 10,000 people must be auditing on daily Solo Nots (OT VII)”

      In nearly 30 years, this has not been achieved. Despite there being over 12,000,000 scientologists in the world…that works out to only 0.083333% of all scientologists claimed by the church.
      Pitiful.

    • ze moo

      The dwarfenfรผhrer need only wave his magic wand and declare #1, #2, and #3 have been completed to issue OT 9 and 10. By issuing said declare {no goldenrod this time} he reloads the front end of the self help scam and by the looks of OT9, he gets all the OT 8 in perpetual ‘courses’. I doubt that there are enough certified OT8’s to make that part of the scam profitable, but by giving ‘hope’ to those lower on the toll bridge, he should make all income go up.

      That is what he needs now, with all mOrgs suffering from drought of loyal, can holding minions, a jump in income. It is always about the money, unless it is about fealty to the Niblet of COBs.

    • aquaclara

      Karen, do you and J have a sense for approximately how many OT8s are out there now, still in?

    • April

      When you say “flim flam man,” are you referring to the original source flim flam man, or his diminutive successor?

  • pluvo

    At the early years on the Freewinds, after OT8 had been released, there was the notion about releasing OT9 & OT10. That became then less and less and instead there was a lot of โ€œOT-Debug serviceโ€ and โ€œOT-Hatting coursesโ€ promoted and sold. And then also more and more conventions.
    Iโ€™m quite sure that David Miscavige will cobble some OT9 & OT10 together for the flock to keep them in line and $upporting โ€˜Command Intentionโ€™.

  • Draco

    Talking about scientology celebs, which we weren’t, the Feschbachs seem to have gone very quiet lately. Are they still around? Doing anything? Quietly blown? Anything…? (Don’t think I spelled their name right)

    • Miss Tia

      maybe they’re posing for another painting?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        AGGHHH!! Pass me the brain bleach. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Robert Hammond

      I have a feeling that Tommy Davis woke up after Going Clear and seeing himself in John Sweeney’s Scientology and Me documentaries. He seemed to express doubts when he considered the fact that Hubbard faked his military records and miracle cure. .

      Now with “If He Dies, Let Him Die” about to hit the bookshelves, I think he may have seen the light.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I am always skeptical. I do not mean to be cynical,

        • Robert Hammond

          Skepticism is healthy. I am skeptically optimistic. I won’t believe it until I see it, but I still have hope that it can happen. If true believers like Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, and celebrities like Nicole Kidman, Leah Remini and Paul Haggis can leave, anyone can leave.

          Hard to imagine they are not looking at any news or internet and giving the whole thing some second thoughts.

          • Sherbet

            Tony reached out to Davis not long ago and got a rude brushoff. I think he’s still in, one way or another. Remember he’s got mom and stepdad in, plus it’s his wife’s family business.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I thought some of them were seen in Nov 2103 at the opening of the SP building.

      Yes that is more than 18 months ago.

  • jane456

    I wonder what this person’s patients think about him just now achieving competence. You mean you have been sticking needles and drills in my mouth all this time and you were not COMPETENT until now?

  • nottrue
    • Robert Hammond

      That would be the smartest move TC could make. His career would soar and his public relations would be through the roof. The ladies would be lining up to date him and he’d even have Oprah jumping on her own couch!

      • Jimmy4

        He’d still be a weirdo. You don’t just shed all that crazy overnight.

        • Observer

          A dumb, arrogant weirdo, though without the moonbattery his IQ might come up a bit.

          • Jimmy4

            You think he may hit triple digits? That would be incredible.

            • Lucille Austero

              I think you are a bit optimistic, J4 ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Jimmy4

              Not like that cynical prick of a clone I have. I’m a glass half-full kinda guy.

            • Lucille Austero

              Clones. Always a problem. Never a pair of pants in sight.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              It’s the robots Lucille. They want everyone pants-less. Perverts. LOL

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Imposter. ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Jimmy4

              It took him about 4 hours of screaming and pounding to realize he could let himself out of the trunk. That guy is dumb. Stick with me.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Sorry boo, I’m faithful. You can hang around, but my heart belongs to #3. ๐Ÿ™‚

              On a serious note, I want to have a drink with you someday. The laughs alone would be worth me picking up the tab. ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Jimmy4

              How did you know I like free drinks?

            • McLovin_1982

              Jimmy3 ratted you out….

            • McLovin_1982

              Ditto…

            • Eclipse-girl

              I want to be invited ๐Ÿ˜‰
              I will buy at least one round.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Of course love. You have a standing invite. ; )

      • Allie

        I’m not sure his career would soar. I think most people would be surprised–maybe even shocked.
        But I think he’d still have a whole lot of “proving” to do-that he actually got rid of the bullshit cult and that he’s a decent caring human being. That could take quite a while.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Filed in Tabloid Headlines you hope are true!

      • Missionary Kid

        …but I doubt it.

        • Probably not Cruise, but do you doubt the cephalosplosive nature of Tony’s hint? I’m still wearing a hair net. Just in case.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll believe it, as someone else said, when Tony reports it.

            • Oh, definitely re Cruise, but I wonder who it is that’s among us that believes would cause us to go all Cronenberg. Shhhh. They’re reading this now . . .

      • Draco

        I’ll believe it when TonyO says it ๐Ÿ™‚

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I’m hoping if it’s true that TonyO will get the exclusive confirmation and first interview! Tony was saying yesterday that our heads would explode if we knew who was reading the bunker. Fingers crossed!

          • aquaclara

            I still wouldn’t like him. Any changes now would simply be PR related, as that is the most important thing to him.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’m trying to imagine Tom Cruise without all the Scientology Baggage kind of hard to do…

            • Draco

              Yeah…I’m not a fan either. Never was.

            • McLovin_1982

              http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/XQuietThunderX/Emoticons/pfft1.gif
              …If TC is leaving it is all about PR and the dwindling gross profit from his movies (at least in the US). Oh and you can’t fix crazy.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              I’m sure career is a factor, but think about it–if he leaves, he will finally be FREE of the terrible pressure, privacy invasion, and mind-bending thought control. How good would that feel to him? What price tag can you put on that? I think that’s pretty motivating in and of itself.

            • Sherbet

              But it would be like someone having been institutionalized for years, and then they leave and have no idea what to do, nothing to rely on, no support, no order to life. Everything he knows will turn to dust.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Except that there is a whole big community of ex-Sciengologists out there now to lend a hand and reams and reams of great material to help him understand and come to terms with what he’s been through. There has never been a better time to leave.

            • Sherbet

              I can’t imagine him leaning on someone to help him. But who knows? We won’t know until he makes that move, and I’m not betting on it. If he does leave, I’ll be shocked and surprised.

            • McLovin_1982

              He is going to have to do a whole lot of ass kissing, including admitting he supported this crime syndicate with $$$ and promoted it, in addition to apologizing to all those he has harmed, and the public in general. The “I got duped” line is not gonna cut the mustard.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Yes, and it would take a whole lotta time. But what’s the alternative, being controlled and extorted for the rest of your life and losing your daughter?

    • Chee Chalker

      Is Alex referring to Tom’s hairdo? Because it looks bad

    • RBE

      Is this who Tony was hinting at read the Bunker everyday? This would certainly “blow my mind” , as Tony phrased it!

      But seriously, I think there is more chance of LRH being reincarnated than this happening…

      • Robert Hammond

        It seems like he did try to leave before when he was with Nicole, but Marty reeled him back in. Maybe now that Marty’s gone and he’s seeing the real DLHDM in action, he’s coming to his senses. With all the publicity, he can’t totally ignore the reality. Perhaps this is why he’s selling his properties as well.

        With his career on the brink, this could be the smartest move he could ever make. Perhaps he is re-enacting his role in Valhalla.

        Tony will be the first to report it if the story is confirmed. Until then, we can only hope.

        • RBE

          If a “Tom Cruise leaves Scientology” was ever written that had some validity to it, it would appear in the Bunker first, for sure.

          • Beth

            He would be very smart to let Tony handle the transition.

        • Beth

          I’ve said it before, but I think TC’s departure is entirely possible. (if you’re reading this Tom Cruise skip the next part). His most dominant psychological feature is narcissism. He NEEDS to be liked and admired. Co$ is starting to stink like dead fish, and the stink is clinging to anyone still in and getting worse by the minute. Tom Cruise will definitely choose leaving over any loyalty to Hubbard/COB if he finally,truly, gets how bad it makes him look.

          • Robert Hammond

            The only thing that makes him look bad right now is Scientology. Leaving now would give him a tremendous boost in public opinion. People would love to see him admit his mistakes and show a little humility.

            It wouldn’t be easy, but I think he could do it. This would be the perfect time, just before MI 5 comes out see he can cash in on the publicity.

            I’m sure that Tony will be the first one to get the full story if it is confirmed and he is ready to talk about it.

            Tom, if you’re reading this, I loved you in A Few Good Men. You CAN handle the truth! Show the world your humanity and be willing to start fresh. You will have more support than you can imagine.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Good advice Robert. I wonder if Cruise has anyone in his life willing to be that honest with him? I hope so, but I have serious doubts.

            • Robert Hammond

              I think Tom should give Mark “Marty” Rathbun or Mike Rinder a call. I am sure that he would find a sympathetic and understanding ear.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              That would be a hell of a conversation.

            • Draco

              Marty Rathbun would LOVE to be the one TC turns to.

            • Observer

              Good advice = entheta

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think that should be on a tee

              I would wear it ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Eclipse-girl

            Tom would have to bring out his whole family (mother and sisters and their families.) One of the brothers in law is a big mucekty muck in C0$

            Given the snitching nature of scientology, I highly doubt this could happen

            • Beth

              I hear you E girl. I’m just saying that if Co$ continues to dissolve, I don’t believe that TC will go down with the ship (and kill off his career and his reputation entirely). And hey, Leah’s whole family was in, no?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Yes, Leah’s family was all in. She has a mother and sister – and I think the sister was mostly out, at the time.
              There were some stealth mode tactics going on to get them all out

              I believe Tom C could do it.
              He has 3 sisters and a mother. I do now know how large any of the extended families are. But the more people involved, the harder it is to keep a secret
              His brother in law is someone who regularly speaks at various special events.

            • Draco

              Brother in law Greg Capazorio supposedly accomplished huge things with Criminon in South Africa. He made it the one programme that wardens all over SA were begging for. Load of crap. The ONLY place I ever heard anything about criminon was in scilon circles.

              As far as I could figure out, they only had about 2 staff delivering anything. I regularly got begging letters asking for donations for pens and paper, as well as for Xmas bonuses for the one staff member who was actually going into the prisons.

              Those letters stopped a long while back now (over a year) and I suspect that nothing at all is happening.

              Greg Capazorio was all talk and no walk.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That doesn’t surprise me.
              Lying liars lie.

              Doesn’t Greg get a % of all the regging?
              It may make it difficult for him to walk.

              He would also be punished should Tom C successfully leave.

            • April

              I know someone who’s worked in the state of Georgia prison system for many years and he’s never heard about Criminon.

            • Draco

              But where Tom goes, the money goes as well. I think it’s quite possible that there are members of his family paying lip service to CoS to please him. There could also be UTRs who will breath a sigh of relief and follow him out.
              It would make a fabulous story!
              (Not holding my breath though)

            • Eclipse-girl

              What about the brother in law who is a medal winner?

            • Draco

              I know him – pretty sure he will follow the money. And he knows that medal is bullshit. He knows exactly what he did and didn’t do in Criminon.

            • Eclipse-girl

              can you elaborate on that statement?

            • Draco

              See my comment just above.

            • April

              I’m sure a similar sentence could have been said about Leah Remini, but remember she left the CO$ and took her entire extended family.

          • McLovin_1982
        • Todd Tomorrow

          Celebs sell their houses all the time. Can you imagine being in a vacuous mansion in the middle of nowhere. Even getting oral from bm must have gotten old by now. He’ll never leaved. He had an affair with the director of, Endless Love as a kid to get in the movie. My buddy said he hustled for awhile,too. Has no reason to lie he talked to him a few times pre-celeb times when he was the front desk clerk. Remembered the teeth in Top Gun. But then soon people will hopefully being homophobics against ex-catholics soon.

          • beauty for ashes

            Is that you TT? Did you get a big box from Big Pharma today ;)?

      • Helen Van Patterson Patton

        At the end of one of his recent radio interviews, Tony hinted about a celeb coming out. I have no idea who it could be, but I’ll eat my hat if it’s Tom Cruise. I’m sure there’s more than one celeb scientologist lurking here too.

        • RBE

          Yeah, my money is on someone that we didn’t actually know was a scientologist coming out, rather than TC, JT or KA.

    • Observer

      Tom Cruise does not have aha moments.

      • Sherbet

        But The Star said it! How can we doubt it?

      • Allie

        Unless someone tells him what it should be.

    • SP Wogsy

      *jumping on a couch*

      Douchebag or not, a little girl gets her dad back (if it’s true)

      • Sherbet

        Whether he’s in or out, the custody arrangement wouldn’t change, and Katie Holmes would be wise never to trust the jerk. I don’t believe it, anyway.

    • Sherbet

      I love Alex Gibney’s snark.

      • Vaquera

        It’s almost as good as yours.

        • Sherbet

          Aw, you’re sweet.

          • Vaquera

            I’m not sweet! I’m not sweet! I’m insouciant.

            • Sherbet

              And you stand tall.

            • Vaquera

              No apple crate required.

    • arcinva

      What the hell is up with his hair in this pic?!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +โ€“+ Reminder +โ€“+ RED X *** Wednesday, 01 July 2015

    Good day Bunkeroos and Bunkerites,

    The weekโ€™s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2543619

    F5โ€ฆ Tank Girl by STMan 2014 enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/17607524109/in/album-72157652994998862/

    • Pierrot

      Removals trend for the month of June. We are better than co$ and are at least showing the scale of one axis.
      The big removals for LA & Sac have been reduced on the graph so as not to dwarf the other results.

  • Kirby Van Zandt

    Off topic…

    Tom leaving Scientology? This could be Davey’s worst week ever!

    • MostEthicalPimp

      No Davey’s worst week ever will be when a lawyer figures a way around all the NDAs Ex-SO have been signing!

    • ze moo

      I call TC bullshite. The whole thing reads like TC is real person, not a big clam being. With the Mission Impossible press tour about to start, TC wants to look normal. I doubt anything can do that but an escape and denunciation of $camatology.

      • McLovin_1982

        Yes… I posted similar below, this is a PR stunt IMO, nothing more.

      • Sibs

        I also think that if he was really leaving the cult, he would be more careful than to let the possibility leak in the tabloids.

    • aquaclara

      He’s an idiot, and I don’t believe him.
      TC feels that if he isn’t in the press with some relationship news every three months, his rep will suffer.
      His PR people put spin out all the time.

    • I want to hear it from him on national TV.

      • Robert Hammond

        Oprah will be jumping on her own couch.

        • Sherbet

          Maybe he’ll go back into the monastery. A cloistered one. Where we never have to hear about him again. Let us pray…

          • Allie

            And he won’t have to worry about another wife/girlfriend or match-making from his bff.

    • Sibs

      I’ll believe that if he actually goes public.

      • Jgg2012

        I’ll believe that when the Bunker has a photo of him standing next to Ortega and holding a copy of “The Inescapable Miss Lovely”.

        • Draco

          That would definitely do it!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I would let him borrow my copy of The Scandal of Scientology if he were posing for photos

    • outraged

      At least they got the New Cloned Tom Cruise on the cover. The one with the squirrelled away nuts in his cheeks.

      • Draco

        There is definitely something really strange going on with his face. Just like DM also looks different. Same plastic surgeon? Or results of being guinea pigs on the soon to be released OT9&10?

        • PerpetualOutflow

          His face does look different in that shot, but it also looks even more like Suri’s.

          • Eclipse-girl

            So he is having plastic surgery to look more like his daughter?

            • Sherbet

              Next he’ll be seen eating a cupcake while Katie carries him in her arms.

            • April

              Omg that thought gave me a hilarious visual image in my mind.

            • Sherbet

              Me, too. I’m laughing at my own joke.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              LOL, just seems to have brought it out if indeed he has had “work done.”

            • Eclipse-girl

              He has had work done more than once.

              I remember noticing a jaw line change 5 – 7 hrs ago.

              and now this puffy change

              He is an actor, a vain profession. Very Very few actors / actresses stay away from the blade.
              I am sure the surgeon(s) who have been used are very very good.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Puffy only in the beginning I’ve heard. Haven’t done any work myself…yet…but I don’t begrudge anyone, especially not a celeb whose career depends in large part on his physical attractiveness, a little maintenance work.

            • Eclipse-girl

              He had something done last fall, IMO
              Enough time before filming began on MI5

          • Kestrel

            Looks more like Tommy Davis to me.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Yeah, I can see that, too.

      • Allie

        LMFAO ๐Ÿ™‚

    • bit more

      pic

      • Observer

        As long as he’s in she’s much better off without him in her life, imo.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Well, we did hear that there would be a big celebrity leaving soon. Here’s hoping….

      • April

        How could Tom “upload his entire file to scribd” if it’s always kept in the cherch’s possession? Btw I assume the person means his preclear folder.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      This wouldn’t be the first magazine to claim that Cruise is leaving Scientology, so I won’t hold my breath in anticipation.

    • Allie

      A slow Wednesday at Star, huh?

  • nottrue

    • Observer

      • Saltarello

        A misunderstanding of the precept of hotpantsness.

      • Saltarello

        Miscavige’s lies are so egregious that they set other people’s pants on fire. (Hence all the standing up and ass-fanning — disguised as clapping — at Scientologiberg Rallies.)

    • Draco

      Wouldn’t it be nice if said investigator recorded all his calls?

    • Kestrel

      “Provable bullshit.” How does one go about proving bullshit? Isn’t it bullshit because it’s, well, bullshit?

      • Sherbet

        Yes, it’s a clunky way of saying We can prove it’s bullshit. You’re right.

      • Allie

        Esp when you don’t even know yet what is/will be written. But they’re SURE it’s bullshit.
        How insane is that?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Isn’t this the statement he released when the PI story first came out? Or is he (the lawyer) using curse words again in his responses to the media? Class act for what he costs. SMH

    • Ella Raitch

      Not just bullshit – provable bullshit. Now I really am convinced!

      That last paragraph of denials does nothing but compound the suspicions anyone may have had. Practically an admission of wrongdoing. It’s like a backbencher saying of the party leader “they have my absolute support”

  • Interested

    Just been showing friends of mine some videos on my iPad. 1 TC ranting about being superior (they looked bewildered and asked me what he had actually said that made sense) 2 TC ranting at Matt L ( the look of horror when he said “you don’t know…… I do) 3 Lisa McPherson s story.(there was silent horror) One told me her great niece is so vulnerable at the moment she is just the type of child to be drawn into this cult. I tried, failed miserably, to explain how easy it is to be drawn into this web. I hope that what little I have shown them will save one possible slave.

    • Juicer77

      Please please get her a copy of Steve Hassan’s Combating Cult Mind Control. It’s full of priceless info on how to deal with/help someone who may be pulled into this type of group.
      ETA: hope your friends aren’t looking at you funny now. Lisa is some heavy stuff to introduce to people.

      • Interested

        Thanks I will.

  • Snake Plissken

    Scientology Slams Forthcoming Tell-All Book by Father of Church Head David Miscavige: โ€˜Provable Bullsโ€“tโ€™

    http://www.thewrap.com/scientology-slams-forthcoming-tell-all-book-by-father-of-church-head-david-miscavige-provable-bulls-t/

    lol and the book hasn’t even come out yet …

    we have absolutely no idea what the book contains but we know it’s all lies because it wasn’t authorized by our crime syndicate

    The little fella is running scared, I feel sorry for anyone he’s blaming for his stupidity and slapping around right now because of it.

    • RBE

      They have OT powers, remember, cause over MEST and all that. Seeing into the future is a minor task…

    • flyonthewall

      The Archbishop of Canterbury said about recent allegations of child abuse – ” That kid and his gold diggin’ parents are fuckin’ liars. Fuck them”

      • Sherbet

        All religious leaders talk like that. The other day the Dalai Lama was talking to the Pope, and, man, the four-letter-words were flying!

        • Mockingbird

          Imagine a panel of religious leaders who ALL act like Hubbard and DM .The Catholic and Orthodox Greek churches will never be the same as they shake down parishioners and bring back the inquisition .

          • Sherbet

            Some people think it’s like that anyway, ‘bird. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • ReallyMGM

      Word cleared: investigator

      โ€œMr. Miscavigeโ€™s attorney, Michael Lee Hertzberg, is on record stating that Mr. Miscavige does not know the investigator, has never heard of the investigator, has never met the investigator, has never spoken to the investigator, never hired the investigator and never directed any investigations by him.

      • Snake Plissken

        Yeah that’s like Osama Bin Laden saying … “What Towers? I have no idea what you’re talking about, I don’t even know what language you’re speaking, I was just sitting in a cave in Afghanistan minding my own business”

        • ReallyMGM

          Reads like clams shrieking repeatedly about crimes.

    • FollowTheMoney

      Ah, I see. His lawyer denied it, BOOM, PI lies disproven.

      • Snake Plissken

        And his hiding from the media makes it so much more convincing too.

      • Draco

        “The Scientology rep disputes the notion that its leader harbors any ill will toward his father. โ€œMr. Miscavige has always taken care of his father and continues to do so,โ€ the rep said. โ€œBeyond that, as a matter of policy, neither the Church nor Mr. Miscavige comments on members of his family.โ€

        Now that’s funny! And I am damn sure no-one in the church is allowed to comment on his family. “Where’s Shelly? Why did your brother Ronnie leave? Why did your niece Jenna leave? Why did your mom and dad leave?”
        Yeah – I can see people asking him those questions…

        • Snake Plissken

          His entire family tree has been declared suppressive and are now officially his enemies, but he harbors no ill will towards them. That could only make sense to a Scientologist.

        • Robert Hammond

          Defining “taken care of” in the mafia-sense.

          • Snake Plissken

            “If it’s his time to be taken care of then let him be taken care of”

        • Eclipse-girl

          Did Loretta formally leave scientology?

          • Draco

            Not sure if she formally left. I recall someone saying she referred to DM as a little Hitler.

            • Robert Eckert

              That was, IIRC, when he ordered his parents to divorce.

            • Draco

              Sigh…why can’t we all have such loving sons?

            • Sherbet

              That’s what the Duggans said.

            • Draco

              Good one, Sherbet!!
              I will now take my chortling self off to bed! Night all!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I read that at lermanet
              Courtesy of Jesse Prince.

              When LHD was insisting on bring Ron into the Sea Org to protect him from further legal attention, he forced his parents to divorce.
              That was when Loretta called the Wee One a Little Hitler (although I often spell it as Lil’ Hitler)

              I do not know if she ever formally left the chult.
              I doubt she was ever declared SP.
              Or if she was, it was kept very secret

        • Allie

          It’s so convenient to have a “policy” that they don’t comment on members of his family.
          Of course they don’t because they’ve either been disconnected or disappeared (except for the kooky twin sister wherever she is). This is beyond stupid (and should be embarrassing to DM) because it’s the same response that they provide to all suppressed apostates and enemies. Another footbullet, I’d say.

    • Robert Hammond

      “St. Martinโ€™s previously published Andrew Mortonโ€™s 2008 unauthorized biography of Tom Cruise.”

    • Allie

      Yup, Davey and OSA (hi there!) are reading the Bunker so they know what’s happening re: Scn.
      because Tony’s the man and he gets the scoops. Interesting that in the article, no name is stated for the Scn spokesperson or they keep stating that a “rep” says…..The usual predictable response:
      he never, we never, he didn’t, he wouldn’t. Hogwash and drivel. They’re so predictable it’s hysterical.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Does anyone have an idea of how many “medals” winners have left scientology?

    This piqued my interest in discussing the recent article claiming Tom C is leaving the chult.
    Toms BIL is a medal winner and regualy shows up on promos for special event at various orgs.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I thought he had only sisters. Mentioned he grew up in a house of woman. Guess, that doesn’t mean you can’t have a bro, too. What’s his name. I know,”Todd, Google is your best friend.” I’ll look..

      • Eclipse-girl

        Greg Capazorio (TY Draco)

        Married to one of Tom C’s sisters.

        • Sherbet

          Who was the old one?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Sorry, I had just woken up.

          • Eclipse-girl

            no worries.

      • Robert Eckert

        Who’s the new avi?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          We got new Id cards in prison. My celley says it makes me look baby faced. But don’t worry I’m bigger than him.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          We got new ID tags in prison. My celly thinks it makes me looks baby faced. Don’t worry I’m bigger than him.

  • A True Prince

    May I remind his shortness a great line provided by Bruce Springsteen’s “Badlands”, his smallness might heed the words….”Poor Man wants to be Rich/Rich Man wants to be King/ And the King ain’t satisfied/ till he rules everything”

  • outraged

    I think I found out where DM is hiding:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlJEvHmO0o

  • nottrue
    • McLovin_1982

      A clear indication that the sciloons are in full batshit crazy mode…. sheesh

    • Snake Plissken

      She’s not even old enough to be senile, hopefully they take her keyboard away from her before her retard tourettes gets any worse

      • Draco

        She is old enough to be senile.

        • Snake Plissken

          Well then it looks like she’s well on her way to going full OT and hanging out with Ron on his spaceship.

          • Draco

            Yup – pity her Star Wars kit doesn’t fit anymore.

            • Sherbet

              Star Trek, methinks, Draco.

            • Draco

              Yes! That’s what I meant…it’s after midnight here…I think it’s bed time for me. I don’t usually get snarky about her weight either.
              Bad Draco.

            • Sherbet

              Nah, not bad Draco. Sweet dreams.

            • Draco

              Kiss kiss <3

            • Eclipse-girl

              Sleep tight.

      • McLovin_1982

        It used to just be funny shit, now it is just really really sad…. LURKERS and UTRS THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGY DOES TO YOU! RUN AWAY!

        • Snake Plissken

          It really is the final product of Scientology, it’s just a matter of time before she starts strapping on cameras to her head and running around with a Squirrel Busters shirt on.

          • McLovin_1982

            LOL! Snort…..

          • Draco

            ๐Ÿ˜€

          • Saltarello

            Golf cart.

    • Eclipse-girl

      WTF is she talking about?

      • Snake Plissken

        She doesn’t even know

        • Todd Tomorrow

          We don’t either. It bothers me like a joke I haven’t been let in on. And where is the breast reference?

          • Snake Plissken

            I wouldn’t let it bother you too much, it’s not the joke that everyone is laughing at, it’s the person telling the joke that everyone is laughing at

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzD-zqWwWc

            • Allie

              That’d be true. But she can see Russia……

      • Sherbet

        Good question.

      • Draco

        NFC – No Fucking Clue

    • Observer

      ..

      • Eclipse-girl

        I am taking that one, if you don’t mind.

        • Observer

          I swiped it from somewhere else, so feel free!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Another way to identify a moron is by looking at their Twitter TL and finding nothing but self-absorbed, verbal diarrhea.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Or third person breast references. At least one of the boys came out looking like a Hardy boy.

      • Snake Plissken

        It’s like drunk posting without actually being drunk.

        • Sherbet

          We don’t know that, Snake. It’s not like she has to get up for an early call to the set tomorrow. She’s got Nothing to do.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            You’ve made me nostalgic for drunk-posting/tweeting Sherb. ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Sherbet

              Don’t you dare call me at 2 a.m.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              ROFL!! I promise, I won’t. I do have some home-training. ๐Ÿ˜€

              I’m more likely to post rap lyrics and jokes that only make sense in my head. Hehehe!!

        • Vaquera

          Dry posting.

      • ReallyMGM

        In one of her more coherent tweets she says she is moving because of the vaccine law.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          And then all of California joined hands and rejoiced at this joyous news. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Draco

          Isn’t she a bit old to be worrying about vaccines? Surely her kids are way past the compulsory/recommended vaccines stage?

          • ReallyMGM

            I am only reporting, not saying she makes sense!

          • Sherbet

            Since when does she mind her own business?

            • ReallyMGM

              I wonder if her monkeys/lemurs are vaccinated. They carry some nasty diseases.

            • Sherbet

              Good point. I wonder what she’d say to that.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            It’s clam world, they must always have an enemy to be at war with. One day it’s Psych’s, then it’s the media/merchants of chaos, today it’s vaccines. Who knows what it will be next. SMH

            • Sherbet

              Crocs.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Bahahaha!!!

            • ReallyMGM

              Very good point. it is a distraction from the real problems with the cult that they support.

            • Rita Gregory

              Spitters.

              I can hear it now. “The war is over, we got legislation passed that requires every library to supply spittoons outside by the entrance.”

              ( Baby is going to kill me when she sees all these spitter posts)

            • Kestrel

              Pffft

            • Eclipse-girl

              naw, she has a good sense of humor

            • McLovin_1982

              YES! Pfft Tech at work!

            • Robert Eckert
          • tracsar

            How would she know? If they’re clams too she probably hasn’t seen them for ages.

        • Sibs

          How are the vaccine laws in Canada? Seeing as that’s always the default country people saying they’re going to when they complain about liberal America.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Oh, we’re a haven for conservative thinkers and conspiracy theorists. Pretty strict gun laws, although the “Harper Government” shot down the gun registry – but no open-carry, long-time supporters of gay marriage, and we’re pretty big on vaccinating your children. Oh, and then there’s that health care thing we got going on.

            • Sibs

              Bwahahahaha! Don’t worry, I wouldn’t wish KA on Canada.

            • Sherbet

              She was close enough. Remember her Pepto-Bismol Palace in Maine?

            • aquaclara

              ha, ha. Did that thing ever sell? *runs off to see*

            • Sherbet

              (Waiting for a real estate report from aquaclara.)

            • aquaclara

              Looks like it was finally taken off the market without a sale….271 cough, cough, uhm Pendleton Point Rd, Islesboro.
              Had been up for sale for $2.3 million; Zillow estimate is half that price.

              No one apparently appreciated that much pink.

            • Sherbet

              That’s quite a drop. I guess New England is stuck with her.

        • BraveBloggers

          California folk rejoice…persons in every other state/territory cringe hoping their state dodges that bullet.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      SLAG!

    • Sergeant Pepper

      A lame attempt to further the “you can keep your religion” shore story?

    • Jimmy4

      I’m sure that makes a lot of sense when you’re really high. I’ll let you know in a bit.

      • anoni81b4u

        nope, still does not make sense

      • Rita Gregory

        I don’t think there is enough weed in the world to make that statement sound profound.

    • Draco

      She just has absolutely no idea how offensive she is. Seriously. Here is a woman whose career has pretty much tanked and she keeps making these horrible comments. Not going to make any friends this way KA. And that includes casting directors, directors and fellow actors.

      • Allie

        I’m sure this is how she thinks she can stay relevant. And “out there” so everyone can think she’s hip and important. Besides, she’s not doing much else these days. Besides #2–she just likes being an insane loony bitch.

    • Observer

      Mr. Observer’s comment, delivered after a long, pained pause: “It sounds like one of those deals where someone is trying to be profound but isn’t smart enough.”

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        You two must be a fun couple to hang out with. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Rita Gregory

        I’d say he is correct.

      • Allie

        Smart man. He’s a keeper ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Saltarello

        very observant

      • Eclipse-girl

        Mr Observer did not join us in Chicago.
        We do not bite; he would have been welcome.

        Then again, Mr E did not join us either.
        This is my obsession not his

        • Observer

          He would have gone, but we have a 17-year-old mostly blind wiener dog with heart trouble who does not do well if both of us away from him for very long. As in, he stands in the middle of the room and literally screams. I work from home, so that’s not an issue. We don’t go places together much anymore. He won’t be around much longer, and he is such a loyal and loving dog that we don’t mind.

          • Eclipse-girl

            be there for your fur baby.
            I haven’t hidden the fact that the loss of our last fur baby hit me hard.
            I am finally coming out of the funk but it hasn’t been easy.

            Hug your wiener dog for me, tonight.

    • Rita Gregory

      WTF?

    • Chee Chalker

      Is she implying she is some.sort of Christian?
      You know, the whole ‘you can be Christian/Jewish/etc.and still be a Scientologist’ bs.

      • Observer

        I think she’s just addled.

        • Rasha

          I think she’s just Jadened.

          • Vaquera

            The person sitting next to me in the stands of a tennis tourney did not appreciate my burst of laughter. Keep it up!

      • Sherbet

        It’s a total non sequitur. “I want grilled cheese for lunch.” “Ha! But you’re wearing knee socks!” Touche?

        • Jimmy4

          “I want equal rights for jays.”
          “If it’s pies, it’s pies.”

          • Sherbet

            Nice knee socks, Jimmy.

            • Jimmy4

              They’re baseball socks, okay?

            • Sherbet

              I knew that.

            • McLovin_1982

              But we are starting a fundraiser to get Jimmy3 back…. We just need OTXI & XII to get released first.

            • Sherbet

              I gave at the office.

            • Kestrel

              May I ask how/why you became Jimmy4?

            • Jimmy4

              I read a secret draft of OT X and I successfully mocked up a clone.

            • anoni81b4u

              Scientology knee socks .. like Mormon underpants, but more culty and more expensive ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Sherbet

              Doesn’t he look like he’s just about to tell you some BS lie?

            • Observer

              Those socks would match Tommy Davis’s shoes.

            • Ella Raitch

              And Trish’s glassware

            • Rasha

              The kind of puppet nightmares are made of…..

              Just imagine THAT dancing on strings…..

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Paint some red circles on his cheeks and he could be that creepy character from the ‘Saw’ movies.

            • Rasha

              MARK AND OBS!!!! You’re on the job!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              If they want to, of course. ๐Ÿ™‚

              Jigsaw Duggan. Hehehe!!

            • Rasha

              They have to… Rasha asked nicely. Well… not nicely. per se… okay ordered.

        • Observer

          She should leave the similes and metaphors to Captain Miscavige. While his are lame, offensive, and don’t mean what he thinks they mean, at least you can tell what he’s getting at.

          • Sherbet

            Plus he’ll say, “In other words…” or “Stated another way…” and repeat the message.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Don’t forget his favorite: moreover. lol

            • Sherbet

              Moreover, I forgot it. Make no mistake…

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Knee Socks and Grillllled cheese madness. Madness, I tells you!

          • Sherbet

            Aren’t you sorry you left the church? You could be dining with Kirstie.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I have dined with her once at CC hollywood at the Cafe. I didn’t think she was quite right even then!

            • Sherbet

              You would say that, because you’re not a Christian.

            • Rita Gregory

              Actual LOL!

        • ze moo

          Cognitive dissonance and false equivalency are good bedfellows.

          • Sherbet

            If only there were some way to become Competent.

            • ze moo

              Only 2 psychiatrists in court can do that for you.

      • Eclipse-girl

        She knows better. She recently got her OTVII certificate

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Or is she making fun of Christians?

    • her latest tweet clears a few things up

      pic

      • Jimmy4

        Ahhh. She’s stoned off the vax. That does make sense.

      • Observer

        Oh, so she’s incoherent with butthurt because the anti-vaxxers didn’t get their way.

        I hope she doesn’t stop tweeting. Her tweets are effectively providing me with top-quality entertainment.

        EDIT: Is there some way her tweets can be made into a reality show? Because, though I despise reality/competition shows (except for Face Off), I’d watch it. With bells on.

      • Rasha

        Yes. It is effective. You are explaining SO much just by expressing your mind – which is perfect for the 140-character limitation of Twitter.

    • Rasha

      It would be curious to not the meaning of it. Have think!

    • McLovin_1982

      So I think I found the new Krusty Theme song:

      https://youtu.be/m55RDNlWnLI

      • Rasha

        NOOOO!!! I refuse to relinquish this to ….. that.

        ….me luvs Floyd. Muchness.

        • McLovin_1982

          yeah…. the education part fits tho…. she is the epitome….

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Well, In two more years she can date Jaden Smith!

      • McLovin_1982

        Ewww….. just ewww!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Is it possible that Kirstie is getting even loonier?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It does seem that way doesn’t it?

  • MostEthicalPimp

    How many Sec Checks do think will be required before you can start OT9?

    • ze moo

      “Now first sec check question, what is your current net worth?”

      • Narapoid

        ^^^^^^^

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Q2: Have you ever hidden money or assets from a Reg?

  • Vaquera
    • Judith Sylvester

      Why does VF say: “VF.com has since received the following comment from a Scientology representative” ? Why don’t they say who the Sci rep is that said this?

      • Vaquera

        I’ll call them and get right back to you.

      • Robert Eckert

        Even Karin Pouw won’t let her name be used for this kind of thing anymore??? It’s worth quoting in all its glory for those who don’t do click-throughs:

        โ€Mr. Miscavige has always taken care of his father and continues to do so. Beyond that, as a matter of policy, neither the Church nor Mr. Miscavige comments on members of his family. The Church knows nothing beyond media reports about any purported book.

        As for the purported emergency incident involving an investigator and the second-hand account of an alleged conversation containing a despicably false quote, Mr. Miscavige’s attorney, Michael Lee Hertzberg, is on record stating that Mr. Miscavige does not know the investigator, has never heard of the investigator, has never met the investigator, has never spoken to the investigator, never hired the investigator and never directed any investigations by him.

        So let me be clear: No such conversation with Mr. Miscavige ever took place and any claim that one did is provable bullshit.โ€

        • Judith Sylvester

          Thanks Robert.

    • Ella Raitch

      Huzzah!

  • Mark

    Haven’t seen this one before: an old World In Action TV doc from 1968, with the clams trotting out the same old trot and exes already mentioning disconnection. A case of plus รงa change… even back in the good old days when good ole Ron was still in charge. Makes a nice companion-piece to The Shrinking World of L Ron Hubbard from the same era:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ALm17qFeE

    • Libertylover

      Great find, I remember “World in Action” as a kid. Must have been watching repeats. I always liked the interest stories on Nationwide too as a small kid.
      The Clear in the beginning was on to something, he got to invent the hipster beard/look almost 50 years before!

      • Mark

        YouTube finally recommended something I really was interested in! And his ‘haircut’ is sort of proto-hipster/Prussian officer as well ๐Ÿ˜‰ Not sure about the beardlet/beardette though: could it be a badly-glued on merkin?

        • Libertylover

          Just trying to say something nice! I’ve seen clips of this, but not the whole thing.
          Watching it now. It’s fascinating to get to see actual auditing and the hope in the Scientologists.
          You would never see this now, they are too barricaded these days.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            I feel that they look truly hypnotized unlike today’s Scientologist.

            • Mark

              I think it may be a side-effect of all the very tight close-ups on the interviewees, possibly a stylistic trope among bright young documentary-filmers in the late 60s. I kept on noticing their teeth.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I okay I wanted to double check I think the Teeth are actually pretty good for being 60 English teeth! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOHiPvl2mWk

          • Mark

            At least now we can put a name to this offender against the tonsorial artsโ€”Anthony A. Phillips, shame on you! ๐Ÿ™‚ You’re right about them being much more open then; the film-makers plainly had co-operation from Saint Hill with the re-staged arrival of “Jim from L.A.”. Possibly it was a case of while Ron’s away, the mice will play?

            • Frodis73

              I can’t find it, but he has a blog and wrote about seeing himself in Going Clear. It was linked from either the SA blog or the Milestone 2 blog. For the life of me I cannot find it though.
              His blog is here: http://www.antology.info/

            • Mark

              Now that IS a find! Fascinating stuffโ€”not $cientology, but ‘Antology’! ๐Ÿ™‚

        • ReallyMGM

          It popped up as recommended for me this week too. Better quality than the usual old film. I couldn’t get over the crazy eyes and bad teeth.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Best part is the lady blowing bubbles while smoking! OT multi-tasking at it’s finest.

    • Robert Hammond

      Fascinating find, Mark. The song remains the same.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      “I finally realized that this is an organization that is endeavoring to make me and other people feel guilty and work for nothing and virtually supposedly adore Hubbard. And I’m afraid it’s not within me to adore anyone–LEAST of all Hubbard. Least of all Hubbard.”

      Bravo–one got away at least. Agree–LEAST of all Hubbard. His ick factor is off the charts.

    • Phil McKraken

      Would you buy an e-meter from this man? He’s straight out of “The Big Book of British Smiles.”

  • Unattested Obedient T

    I can remember hearing of people doing “set-ups” for OT IX & X several years ago. It’s a great way to get people to the ship and makes it so OT VIIIs can actually be utilized for service income and arrivals. I’m sure it’s just sec checking, which they will have to do more of if/when the levels are complete, so it’s completely redundant and just for income and stats. DM realized there was lost income, so he said to start delivering set-ups and here we are. I wonder how those people who did set-ups 5 years ago feel about not having the levels released yet, probably feel nothing.

  • CK

    So . . . more of those bullshit videos about people excitedly “going up” the bridge? As far as they’re concerned, I guess DM can extend it endlessly. That is, until people start to wise up and leave.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Give you a comparison or analogue.

      I once did video work for a multi level marketing vitamin company. They had various stages or levels of distributors. Each stage was called silver.gold,platinum,diamond ,ruby etc. You had to “Buy” x amount of product,then sell that product to other distributors in order to move up to the next level.

      During the conferences and conventions,those that moved “Up” the distributor line each got a trophy as a testament to their success level.

      During these award events people would come up on stage and say how much the “Product” changed their lives.

      Some even claimed amazing or miraculous changes in health and weight loss. I found this to be a reaction to being on stage and being fawned over with an award.

      Very similar in the way these so called OT”s percieve themselves. The parallels with scientology are quite astounding actually. Get several hundred people in a room. Get them fired up with recognition and awards and the audience(peers) follow suit.

  • Robert Hammond

    Another article on Tom Cruise leaving Scientology in Hollywood Life: http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/07/01/tom-cruise-leaving-scientology-church-suri-cruise/

    This would be a good time for him to make his exit. He could say it’s for his daughter. But his increased credibility and public support will also benefit his bottom line.

    Tom, if you’re reading this, please talk to Tony Ortega, Marty Rathbun, or Mike Rinder and ask for advice. You CAN handle the truth!

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Or the beghe-inator don’t forget the beghe-inator!

      • Robert Hammond

        Yes. Definitely Beghe.. and Paul Haggis… and Spanky Taylor. That would be a wonderful site to see.

        • Sherbet

          Tory Christman.

    • A bird in the chimney

      If TC defects, CoB is gonna plotz. And probably beat 47 random Sea Org members to a pulp.

      • CK

        TC’s not going anywhere. DM has too much dirt on him. All that “auditing” is in a file somewhere. That’s why nearly every defector–famous or not–has been threatened at one point or another.

        • A bird in the chimney

          Hey yanno, that’s why I will always type “if,” and then grouse / speculate accordingly. ;]

        • Robert Hammond

          What if TC has a lot of dirt on DM as well? Maybe this will be a re-enactment of Valhalla.

          • Sherbet

            Cool hypothesis. And already scientology is saying: “Lies!”

            • A bird in the chimney

              I can totally see where those two would get up to shenanigans together. The kind of parties “big shots” have who live thinking consequences don’t apply to them. I don’t really even mean to imply TC would use any dirt against DM, but I’m sure they’ve ‘had some times.’

          • Todd Tomorrow

      • Rasha

        Can you imagine the army of handlers that would bring him back to Teeny Brother’s arms?

        • A bird in the chimney

          It boggles my mind! I am certainly not holding my breath; it’s definitely more the imagining it even happening that has me going.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Oh, also–if he quits, and it’s for Suri’s sake, that’s nice and all. But what about his two other children already lost to $ci? :/

      • Eclipse-girl

        I think Isabella has kept a low profile
        Connor, he is a publicity hound and it would mean canceling his friendship with Kirstie Alley’s kids

        • A bird in the chimney

          Yeah. But if it weren’t for dear old dad they wouldn’t be in that position to begin with. I PFFT at him.

          • chukicita

            Careful, you might get thrown out of the library.

            • A bird in the chimney

              This would throw me out of an Ideal Morgue reading room I think, right? If so, then I need to nab the jpg from E-G ;D

          • Eclipse-girl

            do you need the jpg?

            h

            • A bird in the chimney

              Never hurts to have at the ready.

            • Eclipse-girl

              yours for the taking

            • A bird in the chimney

              Thanks! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Observer

      I just can’t see Tom abandoning ship–at least not until things get much worse. He knows about, has benefited from, and partaken in the abuse. If he leaves he won’t get to be little tinpot god anymore.

      I hope I’m wrong.

      • Vaquera

        Right there with you.

        • McLovin_1982

          diito

      • chukicita

        I think you’re right. It’s too scary out here and that fear has been reinforced in him so many times. Maybe it’s why he always has that borderline fight-or-flight look on his face, even when he’s smiling.

    • Sherbet

      These articles make it seem that all he has to do to get back into Suri’s life is to leave scientology. There’s are divorce and child custody agreements. Those wouldn’t change. I can’t see Katie, with all the trouble she went to to get rid of TC, simply turning Suri over to his frequent care.

      • Observer

        Especially since she knows what he’s really like. I cannot imagine what it must have been like for her when Tom’s mask dropped.

        • Sherbet

          I think he made his choice where his loyalties lie when he was married, all three times. I also think, if he were to leave the church, he’d still be an egomaniac and control freak. I don’t see him shaking off the church the way Leah Remini did. One way or another, through auditing or through his pigheadness, lrh’s legacy would still be part of TC’s life.

          • Observer

            Nicole was his best chance to get away, and he was doing so when Miscavige lured him back. For a Big Being, he doesn’t seem to have much in the way of character.

      • A bird in the chimney

        They have to cut to the chase of what’s scintillating. You’re exactly right, but they aren’t going to waste ink on the varied realities of the situation.

        • Sherbet

          Yeah, they make it seem as if Katie would say, “Oh, you’re out! Then I’ll see you at Suri’s recital! No problem!”

    • ze moo

      These stories pop up every year or so. Nothing ever comes of it. I suspect that the tabloids actually make some of their stories up.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        They seem pop up whenever he has a movie about to open.

        • I was about to say the same. It’s a part of the film publicity campaign.

      • Robert Hammond

        What?? Tabloids making up stories? Say it ain’t so. That’s too hard to believe, even if it’s true.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          From what I understand the tabloids don’t make up stories. They accept stories from people without checking them and then rewrite them. I used to know a women in the building I grew-up in claimed to be in a love triangle with a famous singer who was gay. The tabloid paid her and published it. She was pretty cray cray since she actually believe her own stories…

          • Sherbet

            Didn’t Paulette Cooper write for The Enquirer? That makes me respect that rag a bit.

            • Robert Eckert

              Tony has the scoop about that in his book, natch. People at the Enquirer hated hated hated Scientology for whatever reason, and when they needed somebody to follow up a lead and turn it into a story, they would throw the work Paulette’s way, knowing she needed the money for her legal bills.

      • Eclipse-girl

        hey, we are fans of National Enquirer. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Rasha

        I know! Like “Insane Dwarf Controls Thousands – Banks Billion$”. Do they thnk we’re stu—

        …hold on……

        • Robert Hammond

          Yeah. That would be totally crazy! Oh, wait..

      • ReallyMGM

        Star is notorious for using a paparazzi photo and making up a story around it. This one has just enough truths about the cult to make it seem like it could happen (when pigs fly).

        • Matt in Atlanta

          I saw a pig fly at a Pink Floyd concert back in the day. Never say never!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    With all the, uh, talk about Tom Cruise leaving Scientology, I am sure the Dainty Miss will be sorry to see that http://www.whoistomcruise.com is already taken.

    Spoiler alert: It’s a web site devoted to urinals. (And I am not making this up.)

    • Snake Plissken

      If Tom Cruise leaves, David Miscavige will probably call on the whales to donate a $100 million to save the planet by purchasing that website

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      So let me be clear: No such website was discussed with Mr. Miscavige and any claim that one did is provable bullshit.

      Thus, Mr. Miscavige has never met anyone named Tom Cruise, therefore Tom Cruise does not exist.

    • Mark

      I want one of their T-shirts! (Shame they aren’t available yet).

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You’re a bad, bad boy.

    • aegerprimo

      Don’t eat the urinal caeks!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        ewwww, is that a Scion punishment?

        • chukicita

          Don’t give Captain LHD any ideas.

  • aegerprimo

    I have been keeping threads at all the discussion forums for over a year and posting the links to Co$ bad press each month. Choose your favorite dicussion forum to view the list of links of bad press for June.

    ESMB Ex-Scientologist Message Board –
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38261-Co-Bad-Press-Collection-2015&p=1048108&viewfull=1#post1048108

    WWP Why We Protest –
    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/co-bad-press-collection-2015.123076/page-2#post-2543747

    OCMB Operation Clam Bake –
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=725497#p725497

    RFTTP Reaching For The Tipping Point –
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12869.msg35706.html#msg35706

    ESK Ex-Scientology Kids –
    http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11477&p=35050#p35050

    —————————————————————————————–

    If you don’t have time to read this LONG list of Co$ bad press this month, I’ve put together a list of highlighted articles (my selections).

    Paul Haggis on Scientology: “I Wish I Had Left Earlier”
    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/paul-haggis-scientology-wish-had-left-earlier-052058646.html

    Scientology critics bringing book tour to Clearwater
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-critics-bringing-book-tour-to-clearwater/2235111

    Ex-Scientologist Carmen Llywelyn Puts the Church on Blast in Shocking Essay
    http://www.chron.com/entertainment/usweekly/article/Ex-Scientologist-Carmen-Llywelyn-Puts-the-Church-6347420.php

    Investigator Gets 3 Months in Prison in Hacking Case
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/business/dealbook/investigator-gets-3-months-in-prison-in-hacking-case.html?_r=0

    Alex Gibney interview: journey into the seductive world of Scientology
    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/28/alex-gibney-going-clear-scientology-and-the-prison-of-belief-interview-documentary-film

    The LipTV โ€“ MediaMahem
    Did Scientology Hack, Spoof & Spy on Journalists & Whistleblowers After GOING CLEAR?
    GOING CLEAR may have triggered Scientology to hack, spoof and spy on journalists and whistleblowers, and journalist Tony Ortega explains how the case against private investigator Eric Saldarriaga could be more than meets the eye in this interview. With Ortega himself the victim of underhanded maneuvers that seem to indicate the involvement of the Church of Scientology, we learn how the negative profile of the Church has been spiralling since GOING CLEAR is reaching new lows in this short discussion of the latest underhanded deeds that continue to raise questions about Miscavige and the church in this Media Mayhem interview, hosted by Allison Hope Weiner.
    https://youtu.be/UelEB4ac_OQ

    WGN Radio
    Tony Ortega talks about Scientology and his book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely
    http://wgnradio.com/2015/06/19/tony-ortega-talks-about-scientology-and-his-book-the-unbreakable-miss-lovely/

    • McLovin_1982

      Wa! Tony was on WGN in Chitown? How in the Xenu did I miss that? It is THE flagship station here…..

      • aegerprimo

        Now you know!

    • Rasha

      …I’m trying to differentiate “favorite” and “forum for bad press for Scientology” in my head.

      ….nope. Can’t seem to do it.

      • aegerprimo

        Maybe the way I worded that? Choose your favorite discussion forum above. Each link to the forums is a THREAD I have been keeping called Church of Scientology (Co$) Bad Press.
        I hope you understand more clearly now.

        • Rasha

          Hehe! Both ways are perfect.

    • Allie

      What a great resource. You are a gem, aeger. Thank you.

    • chukicita

      Tony did a great interview with Rob Lorei on WMNF in Tampa last week – it’s great when there are so many wonderful interviews that you need an Excel spreadsheet to keep track!

      You can hear it here – I think it’s the second half of the show. Rob is news director of that radio station and does a weekly public affairs TV show as well. I worked with him for about five years and have a great deal of respect for him as a journalist in the same way I have for our proprietor.

      http://www.wmnf.org/news_stories/usda-program-helps-families-build-their-own-homes-and-journalist-tony-ortegas-latest-book-on-scientology

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Thanks Chukicita I had lost track of it. Btw, love your music.

      • aegerprimo

        Yes, this interview should have been part of my highlighted list. It is however part of the lists at the forums.

        • chukicita

          Much appreciate your list!!

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Oh actually after listening, I realize I heard this one from Tampa.

        Have I missed the 2 hour radio show from Sunday night, midnight with Tony?

        • chukicita

          As I recall that station said they’d put up a podcast in a day or so, but I haven’t followed up on that either. Isn’t it great that there are so many interviews, so little time?

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            It’s fabulous.

  • I will laugh my ass off if after we all done saying how Tom Cruise leaving scientology is a usual bullshit story, Tony’s next post is him interviewing TC.

    • Sherbet

      Hahaha! And I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong wrong wrong.

    • Snake Plissken

      I really can see it coming, after losing three wives and one daughter because of the cult, anyone he’s trying to get into a relationship has to be asking him … “well what about your batshit crazy cult?”

      • McLovin_1982

        You have made me LOL twice today…..

      • And Tony was teasing us last night about some major lurker/s, so who knows..

        • Juicer77

          What? Where? Dang I’ve been working so much this week.

          • Yeah, he totally did. Something along the lines – if only you guys knew who is lurking here, your butts would hit the floor.

            • Juicer77

              Teaser? Do you think he will ever reveal?

            • He better. Or I will stop answering his midnight texts.

            • Juicer77

              I am looking at his commenting history and don’t see it. Oh well. This place has been crazy.

            • If it was a reply and not original post, it won’t show up on a simple search. Because Disqus.

            • Juicer77

              (f5)

            • Found it for you: http://tonyortega.org/2015/06/30/scientology-leaders-father-signs-a-book-deal-for-if-he-dies-he-dies/#comment-2109774645

              Tony Ortega said:

              (Shaking one’s head. If one could only say who has told one they read
              the Bunker every day. Of course Ron does. But the other names would
              make your head explode.)

            • Juicer77

              This is why i luv you ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Luv you back ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Snake Plissken

              I think it was “your heads would explode”

            • I was close.

            • Robert Eckert

              If my head exploded, my butt would probably hit the floor.

            • Thank you, Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              Anytime!

            • ๐Ÿ™‚ <3

            • Kestrel

              I’m hoping it’s Pat Broeker. Already out, but what a perspective on things that would be!

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Me too! Right after I regain consciousness!

      • Vaquera

        Yep. I refuse to even entertain the idea. It’s not so until Tony says it’s so. (I’m partial to out proprietor.)

        • Juicer77

          Or Mark Ebner. Or Allison Hope Weiner.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I got a job there,too. Gaffer..

            • Juicer77

              For realz? Gaffer’s tape is one of my favorite things on this planet. It works on EVERYTHING.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That it does..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Can I be best boy? I’m good at pointing.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Only if i can light your kools and you don’t play with my bum too much.

          • Vaquera

            Mmmmmm, maybe. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Juicer77

              Don’t do this to me, woman!

            • Vaquera

              Gotta go with my Bunker heart.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      That would be like Goebbels defecting from Nazi Germany.

      • Robert Eckert

        Rudolf Hess hijacked a plane from Germany to Scotland during the war, and still nobody is quite sure why. The Russians believed that his mission was talk Britain into an alliance with the Nazis against the USSR, and so after the war they made sure Hess was kept in solitary confinement for decades until he died.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          I once watched an Unsolved Mysteries segment which speculated that the person who died in prison was not Hess, but a double.

          • A bird in the chimney

            I loved old school Robert Stack Unsolved Mysteries. Sometimes complete dreck, sometimes it had legs, and always given false gravitas by Mr Stack emerging from the fog in that trench coat.

        • Or he was just tired of Nazis

          • Robert Eckert

            Or somebody was about to stick it to him.

        • Juicer77

          I’m fascinated by that story and his possible motives…

          • Libertylover

            I think he got sucked, believed the propaganda 100% and his bubble burst when he got to UK and wasn’t welcomed. I really think he thought he would succeed in winning over Britain. He didn’t seem to know that the royalty didn’t really control UK politically. So, I would say, naive with a mild side of fruitcake thrown in.

      • Or like Hugh Hefner defecting from Playboy empire.

      • Robert Hammond

        What if he’s more like Claus von Stauffenberg?

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Tom is way less sympathetic than Claus was.

    • A bird in the chimney

      lol. It’s so unexpected he’d actually leave, it might come all the way back around to ‘totally plausible.’

    • Rita Gregory

      We will find out he’s Jimmy3 and all feel like assholes.

      • Juicer77

        No way. Jimmy has an actual sense of humor. LOL

        • Saltarello

          And truly deserves the non-stop, techno-thriller soundtrack. On at least a 30 second loop. Suck it, TC. And suck it in. You are fooling no one.

      • Robert Eckert

        But who’s Jimmy4?

        • Exactly.

        • Rita Gregory

          Jimmy3 said Jimmy4 is a clone.

          • I thought J3 was the clone and J4 was the real one. So confuse 0_o

            • Jimmy4

              This is correct. ^^^

            • Rita Gregory

              I think Jimmy3 is trying to start some trouble…

            • From the trunk of J4’s car?

            • Rita Gregory

              He got out. Finally found the release latch.

    • Jimmy4

      Even if he left the CoS, I doubt he’d be so critical right away… if ever. I think he’d still be Ronwashed for quite some time, and he would probably still think Tony Ortega and critics are bigots. Just my guess.

      • It’s okay Tom.

        • Rita Gregory

          Bawahahahahaha!

      • Sookie Sookie

        Well, we’re clearly glib, and none of us have studied the history of psychiatry… That won’t change.

      • Chris Shelton went cold turkey on scientology in less then two years.

        • Jimmy4

          Well Chris Shelton is a lot more intelligent than Tom Cruise.

          • Vaquera

            Yes. Big Being does not = intelligence

  • Saltarello

    I can’t believe this stuff pops into my head at random moments…. completely out of nowhere.

    Can we name our porno “Bigger Defrocked Apostates?”

  • Is it late enough for this yet? XD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcSNE0J8bXU

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Thank God. Closet case!

      • I think he used to be a JW and now he makes vids “exposing” celebs as clones. Lol. I can’t believe he has 846 subscribers XD

    • Kay

      LOL Nat

    • Snake Plissken

      Didn’t she used to play bass for the Beatles? Or maybe that was someone else that died and was cloned.

      • “OWN” backwards is “NWO” short for “New World Order.” God, I love crazy people.

        • Kay

          OK….THAT is amusing to me, but then again my humor is a bit warped. :-0

        • chukicita

          I did an album called “Xenu World Order” once.

  • Kay

    I am assuming that OT 9 and 10 means that if they hit those levels they think they can also raise the dead? Just sayin’

    • Snake Plissken

      If you hit those levels that means you still have more money than you know what to do with and are in need of a proper fleecing

      • Kay

        Tis true, Mr. Snake, tis true.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So, I’ve been reading the latest lunatic Twitter ravings from Kirstie down thread. And I thought I would save her (and us) time and effort by humbly offering the All Inclusive Kirstie Alley Twitter Generator. Just fill in the blanks by choosing from the columns, tweet, and prepare a snarling response:

    I _____1._____ if _____2._____ ever _____3._____.
    Coz I _____4._____ when _____5._____ were _____6._____.
    _____7._____!

    1. wonder, worry, laugh, postulate
    2. Big Pharma, the media, men, invisible space cooties
    3. wins, gives up, has a rash, eats their young
    4. remember, flash back to, canโ€™t recall, have no idea
    5. our precious children, those monkeys, my last two waistlines, aliens
    6. free, deeply disturbed, whacked, enturbulated
    7. Mama, Balls, Oy, Xenu

    • It works!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yes, I gave up on making the grammar and syntax consistent when I realized… well… you know.

    • Saltarello

      Hey, Scientology Mad Libs could be a hoot. Or magnetic poetry?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It would be the first time I found anything about Scientology magnetic…!

    • aegerprimo

      Okay… a possible Kirstie tweet…
      I worry men ever have a rash Coz I have no idea when those monkeys were free OY!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Leaving out the punctuation gives it even more verisimilitude. Kudos!

      • Juicer77

        ROFL
        XD

    • Kay

      Monsieur Douglas: this is great !!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Those monkeys ๐Ÿ˜›

    • McLovin_1982

      This is AWESOME!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Archie, Edith, Gloria and the Meathead?

    • Saltarello

      Actually, your 1 through 7 — in their entirety — make kind of a nice bit of…. performance art, perhaps? All it needs is bongos. (Words to live by.)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        In a black and white world… with the right company… and a bit of reefer (or Vistaril, if you prefer), anything can seem profound:

        (refresh)

        • Saltarello

          Um, what the?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Google the text.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Dead serious!

          • Observer

            Yup. In his own handwriting:

        • Observer

          Thanks for dumping blackness on my thetan. Jerk.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I assume you refer to LRH.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Holy sh1t. !!

          Incidence 1 is the frikkin’ creation and beginning of the uni verse.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            And what are you smoking…?

          • Robert Eckert

            It is also (according to Atack or Russell Miller or somebody; unlike our proprietor I don’t keep careful notes on what my sources were) what the church clock did in one of the little Portuguese ports where the Apollo berthed during its Wanderjahre (except the blackness dumped on a thetan, which must have been the pinks and grays kicking in while LRH was staring stoned at the clock).

      • MaxSpaceman

        bongos always seems to be new wave, whether it’s 50s Beat generation of 2010s whatever generation ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Kay

      She has blocked me from her twitter account, but hey it’s worth formulating a whole new twitter account just to send her a version of this, truly.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      You forgot her, uh, vag.

      • Kestrel

        I’d say we’d all like to.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          ROFL

        • McLovin_1982

          I 2nd that motion…. just yuk…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Now let’s not get silly…!

        • PerpetualOutflow

          LOL, she’s the one who talks about it all the time.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It’s such a… deep…. and broad…. subject. It seems hardly like something to be probed lightly. Best to just leave it alone.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          You’re killing me.

        • Kestrel

          Mankind is not prepared to plumb those depths.

      • Kay

        I can’t go there because I still can’t get the images of her dancing on Dancing with the Stars out of my head….truly. I need therapy for PTSD from that. I remember her partner saying “well she takes up a lot of space on the dance floor.” Uh…..yup she does.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Oops…should have expected it was handled ๐Ÿ™‚

      • aegerprimo

        She’s tweeted bout it? Seriously?

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Let’s just say D3’s carefully chosen words below are rooted in digital history.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Can someone surface one of her many vag references for Aeger?

        • Observer

          She threatened to shoot herself in it once. It was supposed to be a joke, but it wasn’t funny, and created untold numbers of engrams.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Thanks Observer. I thought I recalled see some lighter fare, no? Wasn’t too long ago either.

            • Observer

              She refers to it constantly. I don’ t know whether she’s just proud of it, or araid that everyone will forget she has one if she doesn’t bring it up constantly.

          • aegerprimo

            She is crazier than I thought.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            what did the BT’s do?

      • Sejanus

        I think most of us would like to forget her vag.

        • aegerprimo

          I’m a nurse, and I remind you, what has been seen cannot be unseen. Just sayin’,

          • Sejanus

            Thats why I choose my viewed nekkid bits very wisely..lol

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Bad case of jungle rot in their, eh?

            • aegerprimo

              You mean – in there
              Um yes, I have see a lot of ….things ….

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              It must have been nicer back in 1982 during her Trek days. She didn’t resemble Rita Repulsa so much.

    • Juicer77

      Dice game. Patent this.

    • aegerprimo

      This is a fun game. Another possible Kirstie tweet…
      I laugh if Big Pharma ever eats their young Coz I have no idea when our precious children were whacked Mama!

      • Saltarello

        You morons. Big Pharma hardly ever eats their young, anymore. They send them to Africa! Educate yourselves!
        (scarcasm)

        • aegerprimo

          Kirstie does not know that. (wink)

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Hah, they pay me in prison; Merk is very nice
          MRKBuy / Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $47.92 71.52037 $34.39 $1,635.58 65.85% $4,119.57 Edit 02/26/2009 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $7.37 11 $26.61 $340.89 116.46% $633.60 Edit 02/26/2009 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $2.68 4 $26.10 $126.00 120.69% $230.40 Edit 02/27/2009 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $4.69 7 $25.07 $227.71 129.76% $403.20 Edit 04/22/2009 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $2.01 3 $22.90 $99.60 136.07% $172.80 Edit 01/13/2011 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $16.75 25 $34.88 $558.01 63.27% $1,440.00 04/07/2011 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.38 0.57057 $33.30003 $13.86 72.97% $32.86 07/08/2011 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.36 0.53642 $35.83013 $11.68 60.76% $30.90 10/07/2011 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.41 0.61088 $31.79 $15.77 81.19% $35.19 01/09/2012 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.38 0.57158 $38.00 $11.20 51.58% $32.92 04/09/2012 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.38 0.56847 $38.63 $10.78 49.11% $32.74 07/09/2012 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.35 0.52971 $41.9099 $8.31 37.44% $30.51 10/05/2012 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.32 0.48466 $46.2593 $5.50 24.52% $27.92 01/04/2013 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $8.04 12 $42.11 $175.89 34.13% $691.20 01/08/2013 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.37 0.54698 $42.3597 $8.34 35.98% $31.51 04/05/2013 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.43 0.63555 $44.9372 $8.05 28.18% $36.61 07/08/2013 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.41 0.60721 $47.4798 $6.15 21.31% $34.98 10/07/2013 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.41 0.60504 $48.0791 $5.76 19.80% $34.85 01/08/2014 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.40 0.6035 $49.7764 $4.72 15.72% $34.76 04/07/2014 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.36 0.54117 $55.9894 $0.87 2.88% $31.17 07/08/2014 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.35 0.52665 $57.9888 -$0.20 -0.67% $30.34 10/07/2014 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.35 0.52101 $59.0584 -$0.76 -2.47% $30.01 01/08/2015 Sell 57.60 0.67 1.18% $0.34 0.50809 $62.4099 -$2.44 -7.71% $29.27

          • Juicer77

            Better not cash those checks, the company spelled their name wrong!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That is their ticker. MRK.

            • Juicer77

              Merck. never mind.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I spelled it wrong. Gotcha! Thanks:)

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Amgn is also very nice.
            AMGNBuy / Sell 154.99 1.47 0.96% $84.67 57.59754 $120.28 $1,989.23 28.67% $8,927.04 My favorite
            JNJBuy / Sell 98.47 1.01 1.04% $194.18 192.25762 $67.18 $5,975.32 46.12% $18,931.61

          • Saltarello

            Nice try. You see this tinfoil hat? Your secret new world order brain washing code won’t work on me.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      What happened to ‘Vag’?

      • Saltarello

        National Enquirer headline: What happened to Kirstie’s vag?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Ravaged by rabbit Ferret!

        • Sejanus

          It had enough of her and went exterior…..

          • Saltarello

            I don’t think I’d be comfortable in that.

            • Sejanus

              No one is..but it does look roomy….lol

      • chukicita

        I think you can throw it in there anywhere, just about.

    • Kay

      OK, I’ll give it a try: “I wonder if men ever have a rash coz they can’t recall when aliens were enturbulating their balls” (I paraphrased a bit)

      • Kay

        Sorry if that was a bit gross….I default to “nurse” humor occasionally.

    • Ella Raitch

      Genius – anyone not blocked who can tweet this to her and her minions?

    • aegerprimo

      NO ONE ELSE IS PLAYING THIS GAME besides me and Kay?
      Okay…. possible Kirstie tweet….
      I laugh if invisible space cooties ever win Coz I have no idea when my last two waistlines were deeply disturbed. Xenu!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Kay and I?

        • aegerprimo

          Are you a Grammar Nazi? LOL โ™ฅ

          • Saltarello

            (Sputtering, but not quite spitting.) Grammar is important! It’s what separates us from the Scientologists.

            • McLovin_1982

              That and actual thought…. just sayin

            • aegerprimo

              My grammar is good, maybe above average, most days. I am playing DDD’s Kirstie Tweet game parameters. When tweeting, and tweeting as a ….simulated $cientologist… good grammar does not apply.

              I’m sorry… maybe I have a hard time distinguishing between snark and when good grammar skills should be applied.

            • Saltarello

              No, I have a hard time making it clear that I’m snarking at people. I do it so often, I’m seldom aware of it. Not always the best thing.

            • aegerprimo

              No worries. I’m not good at snarking too. I take things WAY too sersiously.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Grammar Nazi? Not at all. Grammar POLICE, and proud of it!

              (refresh)

        • Rasha

          What, both of you?

        • Saltarello

          “No one else is playing this game besides I.”

          Nope. “No one else is playing this game besides me.” The pronoun doesn’t change when you add Kay. K?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            It was a question.

    • Rasha

      “My boobs are confused about…..”
      …no, sorry. I’ll try again…
      “Everyone is a bigoted vag–”
      …no…… hold on….
      “It would be confused if I can’t have sexua—”

      …. dammit, Triple D, this is hard!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Too much inner Kirstie?

        • Rasha

          ACK! Can BT’s survive in an 80-proof environment, or do I need to go EverClear?

    • McLovin_1982

      ok ok… I took the task:

      “I wonder if men ever has a rash Coz I remember when my last two waistlines were deeply disturbed Balls!”

      ETA: Makes no sense… so win!

      • aegerprimo

        Excellent!

    • Ella Raitch

      Hope you don’t mind me tweeting this…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Tweet away!

  • David E Love

    Huh? :> “… and 10 will be released, but only when theyโ€™ve done enough to deserve it?” Is this kinda like a move up from Windows 8 to 10 … or is “OT-8” an easier to swallow “OT-3” without opening the ‘sekret’ briefcase and gasping, “WHAT THE *Fk* IS THIS SHIT!!??” ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • McLovin_1982

      Hey DEL! With all you do, thanks for taking the time to visit!

  • ShannonE

    Did anyone see the report from Hollywoodlife.com that Tom Cruise is leaving Scientology for good so he can have a relationship with Suri? I was just wondering if this is possibly true.

    • Rita Gregory

      Much speculation about that topic down thread. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • MaxSpaceman

      have to be careful and make sure it’s not just a clone of Cruize making a scene

    • Saltarello

      Hope he thinks to check with Suri first. She might be all “thanks but no thanks.”

    • Sejanus

      I cannot imagine him doing that under any circumstances.
      He loves bootlickers and sycophants far too much

  • Question: I am still allowed to dislike TC even if he stops being a clam for just his overall douchebaggery and misogyny, right?
    XD

    • Kestrel

      My Magic 8 Ball says, “Signs point to Yes.”

    • No. That would be human emotions and reactions.

    • Observer

      It’s practically a moral imperative.

    • Frodis73

      Yeah, I plan on it. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Kay

      YES YES YES YES……You are not only allowed, you are encouraged !!!!!!!

    • Ella Raitch

      To my final breath I will support you in this dislike Nat!

    • Libertylover

      You can dislike him, but maybe you would grow to like him. Good PR person and he does have charisma, it’s possible, no?

      • Kay

        No, tis not possible. That floating “central tooth” in his mouth precludes any charisma the man may possess…plus his 3 divorces, plus not spending time with his daughter, plus thinking he’s the savior of all mankind. Can’t get over those things, truly. Plus, the dude wears lifts on his shoes…

        • PerpetualOutflow

          So that’s why he appears to be so much taller than Davey.

          • Kay

            tee hee

          • EmmaDaoust

            He’s “heightening”.

        • Libertylover

          I’m not a big fan but he was surprisingly good in “Tropic Thunder” and a couple of others.
          I just think of him (Allie too) , as the 12 year olds Jon Atack wrote about, trapped in a lot of Scientologists.
          Tom Cruise had an abusive father who split when he was 12, sounds text book?
          It’s possible he could mature from the mental age and become more palatable, he’s not a lost case.

          • Kay

            It’s possible I guess, but lots of people have abusive fathers who split who don’t end up in cults that specialize in child abuse and human trafficking. THAT is what really bugs me, as much as I like to make fun of him in other ways. He has to have known..he employed underaged kids at his house and his airplane hangar. That is despicable IMO.

            • Libertylover

              You’re right of course Kay. I was just thinking how I despised Mike Rinder when I first saw Sweeney’s Panorama #1. I thought him evil personified at the time.
              If you told me then I would be reading his blog daily, I’d have laughed. I quite like the fellow now.
              This is different in someways, but who knows, right?

            • Kay

              I guess anything is possible, and I respect your willingness to give the guy a break. I am just not at that point yet. He would have to really apologize for supporting an organization that takes away basic human rights and victimizes children. If he TRULY left and publicly made statements about the abuses, then I would have hope for him. However, I don’t think that will happen in this lifetime.

            • Libertylover

              Probably not happening but Tony’s teases have me speculating.
              He would definitely have to do his public penance and be contrite, for the public to buy it.
              If it really did happen, I personally think him being clumsy about it would convince me more than a slick campaign. He is an actor and in a sense they are all ways acting.
              Going on Oprah, a 2 hour special, some crying, well maybe just a little lip quivering would set Tom on his way. We are fickle and Oprah…she’s got power over us!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Not only evil personified,but damn good at his job.
              He was perhaps the most effective spokeshole for the criminal enterprise

            • Eclipse-girl

              They prey on Tom Cruise.
              They knew he was vulnerable.

              They prey on all their victims

              I do not have compassion for tom Cruise now, but I have compassion for the vulnerable kids he once was.

      • I suppose. Technically anything is possible ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Saltarello

          … just not with the Tech.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      He’s a douche.

    • Eclipse-girl

      OF COURSE.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      If he is ever able to summon the tremendous amount of courage and humility that would be required for him to truly leave the chult that has held him so tightly in its clutches for so long and admit his culpability, I believe he deserves some compassion and respect and a second chance. It will take him years to recover.

      • Yeah, I still can’t see it.

      • Saltarello

        Cultability?

      • Observer

        You can be compassionate toward someone without liking them. That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it!

        • Saltarello

          That’s my naugahyde and I’m sticking to it.

          • Observer

            I’m old enough to know whereof you speak. Man, that stuff was nasty when it was hot.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Have you ever seen a nauga?

            • Jimmy4
            • FF?

            • Jimmy4

              WoW

            • O I C

            • Eclipse-girl

              you did the raid with the hounds, right? (original content)

            • Jimmy4

              Molten Core? Yes. I was in this really crappy guild when I first started out, and we’d spend hours dying and wiping in there. Even the Core Hounds (which aren’t even a boss) would kill us all at first. It was embarrassing. Not too long after I got in to a much better guild that was farming MC in 2 hours or so. Good times in the old 40 man raids.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I no longer play.

              Daughter E got me involved before Cata.
              I played long and hard for 2 or 3 yrs.

              I left sometime in the middle of Panda.

            • Ella Raitch

              No – they are too good at hyding

            • Saltarello

              Didn’t they go extinct after the great Nauga Cull of the 60s/70s?

            • Saltarello

              Me too. Nasty when I’m hot.

        • Like how I feel about Marty ๐Ÿ™‚

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Totally agree. The bright side of his departure though is that it could have the very salubrius effect of encouraging others to leave in the same way his membership encouraged people to join in the first place hence mitigating the damage that was done to others. Or at a minimum, discouraging new entrants.

      • Just the Brooke Shields thing and the way he used Nazanin Boniadi as practically a prostitute truly sickens me.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          It was reprehensible. Truly. And so has been the behavior of many others under their sway over the years, some still in and many now out. I feel sorry for every single one of them. They are victims made into victimizers by one of the most amazingly effective thought control systems in history.

          • Meh. I guess I’m more heartless XD

            • Kay

              Me too, Nat. Me too.

            • Eclipse-girl

              ..

            • PerpetualOutflow

              You are anything but heartless.

            • Kay

              Nat is still “mad as hell” (i.e. Network the movie) and so am I. You are right, she is not heartless.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Can you splain this reference to me? I’ve been reading only since late fall. Thx.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Network a 1976 movie

              http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/?ref_=nv_sr_2

              Famous line
              “I am mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore”

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Got it, thanks. Didn’t know that’s where that originated!

            • Eclipse-girl

              You are just too young ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun did a lot of things that sicken me, but they (to varying degrees) have reformed themselves.

          • McLovin_1982

            To their credit, they have made great progress in atoning for their actions, it has taken years, and it would be no different for TC.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Seems like cracking and shedding the $cio-induced encasement of hardness, callousness, arrogance, self-righteousness, and elitism that hardened over a period of many years would require such hard work over many, many years. Would need to have a real willingness to look, confront, and understand what was, and a true and heartfelt desire and motivation to change.

            • McLovin_1982

              Agreed…. many have traveled that road, exposing the cult for what it is, and I am thankful for their courage.

          • Marty is still a jerk. A less dangerous jerk, but a jerk nonetheless. Mike I agree, seems awesome ๐Ÿ™‚

            • McLovin_1982

              And yeah…. agree. Not making an opinion either way, just an observation.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              How so?

            • Read his blog. He’s a blowhard who still has a lot of critical thinking blind spots. Also he writes mean shit about us. And he called Vaquera a “groupie” to her face. He is an ass.

            • Jimmy4

              And he does shady shit like asking the critic community for help identifying people when he already knows exactly who it is.

            • THAT was odd.

            • Chee Chalker

              Wait……..what did I miss?

            • PerpetualOutflow

              I hope there’s some explanation for that, because it’s really creepy otherwise.

            • Saltarello

              Sounds like finger-pointing without actually finger-pointing. Might be considered just a tad passive-aggressive.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              And raises the OSA specter again.

            • EmmaDaoust

              I called Vaquera a groupie to her face too. And she agreed. But that’s a horse of a different colour. (We spell it colour up here in the Great White North, right John P?)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not know why you called Vac a groupie, but if perhaps you were referring to Tony O, well I would be in that classification too

              I think (forgive me for speaking for you Nat) that calling Vac or any never in because they have compassion, empathy or whatever – a desire to ruin the chult of scientology – is harsh and makes division when there needs to be unity

            • Yeah, I’m sure Emma meant it with affection and seems like Marty used it to infer inferiority.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Marty used it in a divisive way.

            • EmmaDaoust

              I met Vaq at the Toronto conference, we light-heartedly teased about Tony. Don’t worry, Eclipse-girl, it was meant with affection, as in Tony has a ‘cult following.’ There was no harshness. I am a never-in, but WAS in a cult myself. I am more sinned against than sinning. And with that, I bid you a peaceful night. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Oh? May I ask which other cult you were in?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Its all good.

              The thing about being a groupie or a fan of Tony O, Is that If I walk away I won’t be persecuted.
              The friends I have made will still be my friends.
              And I have never been hounded to pay money, more money and moar money

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He did take a long time to sign my book. I was worried he was going to tell me to bugger off. But he was very nice to me!

            • Eclipse-girl

              He was very kind to me when I came up with four books to sign.

            • Saltarello

              Just don’t call her a grouper.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yuck Florida fish.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Asshole.

            • Violet

              So true. I know Marty has helped expose a lot of stuff, but he also was crucial in helping Scientology get its tax exempt status, and there is a lot to atone for there, so I have mixed feelings about him.

            • Narapoid

              Love ya Nat-leficent. Always have, always will. BUT in (grudging) defense of Marty, I do not have any clue as to how I would’ve responded after I saw someone slain in front of me at 18.

              Especially at the hands of master manipulators afterwards (many of which are in the freezone now.)

              Massive love bombs would’ve gone a long way. Elevation to higher “status” (pre IAS BS of course). I likely would’ve become a zealot, (I did in my way). to the point of chaining people to a pipe in the basement of big blue? Sure!…. After you go Exterior, well, you realize all you have heard is true and my old Christian church could never show me what being a free-roaming spirit could feel like! This shit was real! Scott Campbell and his story is sooo true to me. On both sides. Both sides? WTF Narapoid?!?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mwUTVlTRZA

              Thank you God for not letting me become the monster I could have. Or the victim I might have. Being out a cash goes a long way in being saved, inside Scientology.

              God Bless you Jerry Armstrong!

          • Always Amazed

            My instincts tell me not to trust Rathbun, rinder gives me completely dif vibe.

        • Allie

          I feel the same way, Nat. Both scenarios really made me upset.

          • Like, when I imagine the way Nazanin and her parents felt after it was over — I feel like retching. TC is so gross and pathetic.

            • Jimmy4

              And that was probably her only chance to land a husband. I doubt there are any more guys out there interested in her.

            • She is a beauty. Regardless of anything, I find what happened to her really really sick. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/58/9a/1d/589a1d9737dc46898ee4e4f2a5a590ee.jpg

            • Jimmy4

              woof.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Hubba-hubba. (Sorry, I’ll sit in the corner now.)

            • Soppit.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              She’s gorgeous and will have NO PROBLEM attracting the man of her dreams. This painful experience was a blessing in disguise. She is out and free now.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              (Ahem, ahem…)

            • Saltarello

              Certainly no man with any self-respect. Sloppy Scientology seconds are the worst kind.
              (Sarcasm.)

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Please, comparing Nazanin’s experience to prostitution does a disservice to prostitutes. A movie based on her ordeal could well have been titled 12 Months a Scientology Girlfriend.

          • Don’t be so literal, please. Also, there was a lot of nuance to the way that CoS and TC used her that I feel that I am more capable of appreciating as a nuerotypical female ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Allie

            I thought she was his girlfriend for only a few months (like 3-4) and then DM got upset with her and the relationship was over. I was distressed hearing about the punishment she endured, wasn’t it cleaning the floor tiles with a toothbrush. Pretty sick.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I picked 12 so the reference would get across.

      • McLovin_1982

        This is what I wanted to say but could not down thread…. well put and very true. There are many that have come forward and worked to make their wrongs right… only time will tell.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          I think you got at the same point McLovin.

    • Snake Plissken

      It going to take a lot to gain any respect for him

      https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TomCruise/cruise-salute.jpg

      • Amen.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Sort of like Nixon and Elvis, only infinity times worse.

      • Saltarello

        And to think… some, poor, terrified Sea Org member had to fold that pocket square. It must have been hard with shaky hands and in the midst of a constant barrage of threats, profanity, and spittle..

  • Phil McKraken

    Just noticed that HuffPo has the “If He DIes, He DIes” story. And they’ve also got a statement from “Karin Pouw,” which contains the usual tripe, plus an extra touch of Scientology PR tech.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scientology-leader-david-miscaviges-father-to-write-tell-all-book_55943d9ce4b02ca2a4d6bf85?

    “So let me be clear: No such conversation with Mr. Miscavige ever took place and any claim that one did is provable bullshit.”

    • Todd Tomorrow

      She’s Karen K-Pow!

    • chukicita

      Has anyone actually seen KaPouw walking around breathing lately?

      • Snake Plissken

        I can actually hear Mike Rinder laughing as he read the statement David Miscavige put together and tried to pawn off as his attorney’s and Karin Pouw’s

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you for the links Dodo. โ™ฅ

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        While he foolishly dismisses articles by Tony Ortega (as he does with the BBC, CNN and most other media) he swings into full panic when he is portrayed unfavorably in โ€œthe trades.โ€

        Damn, maybe we should have premiered Going Clear on the E! network.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Yeah, a reality show.

      • Mockingbird

        Hi fucking larious ! You always know when DM has written by his ecclesiastical style ! He has to use purported then repeat it like any idiot will have to believe his repeated loaded language ! He took propaganda tactics for fucking sub moronic imbeciles as his writing class ! He is no Ron Hubbard . And he uses bullshut like the sincere open talk will convince people !

      • Sibs

        Typical DM – always trying so desperately to fit in with Hollywood.

    • aegerprimo

      Link?

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      As I’ve noted before, the “church” has resorted to using abusive profanity in its PR.

    • Jgg2012

      “No such conversation with Mr. Miscavige ever took place” and no perfect clear has ever existed.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      What is it with the CO$ and profanity? I don’t get it. What other church has spokespeople who speak like this?

      • Phil McKraken

        They have only one spokesperson (regardless of whose name is appended), and he’s got a provable potty mouth.

        • Rita Gregory

          Gangsta Pope.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Not just her, also the ones in their buildings and the ones who “telemarket” and call you on the phone. They can’t seem make a point with out resorting to profanity. It’s a real head-scratcher, considering how they gloat about taking communication courses.

      • Douglas D. Douglas
        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Did LRH endorse profanity? Or is this due to Miscavige and all the clams want to emulate him? They inappropriately spew the most vile dreck and don’t even flinch. Even their stars (Kirstie, Danny Masterson) curse like sailors. I don’t get it.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            LRH did, indeed, curse like a sailor, and did not care who overheard him.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              SMH. Thanks, I didn’t know that but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. That definitely explains my experience with a few clams. In just about every way possible they are the most unchurchlike “church” I have ever encountered.

  • chukicita

    At first I thought this photo on celebrity yahoo news was a Bunker shoop – just because of the captionability of it:

    “David Miscavige’s BT grows an ear out of his eyebrow in protest as Tom Cruise looks on.”

    • Rasha

      “Maniac Dwarf Revealed As Hideous Lab Rat”

      • chukicita

        It’s an OT thing; I wouldn’t understand.

        • Rasha

          Google “lab rat ear”…….. ugh…..

          • chukicita

            Ew!

            • Rasha

              That’s what I say when I see him, too…..

    • Saltarello

      Awwwww. Dimples! And is that some sort of pre-pucker lip-purse they’ve got going on?

    • Sejanus

      The air around them must be unbelievably toxic.

      • Saltarello

        This photo must have been chosen because you can’t see the gas masks on any of the passers-by.

    • Ella Raitch

      Is this a dress rehearsal for the uncomfortable conversations to be had in Bogota?

      • Sejanus

        Hey Big Being, remember when we had that cult and you thought you were Superman?
        Yeah, good times, good times.

    • Saltarello

      This was elective plastic surgery and fucking expensive. I wish I had not only the money for this procedure, but also the individual sense of style. Soon you’ll see forehead ears on all the glitterati, but, we’ll know who started it all.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Looks like a juvenile version of one of these:

      (refresh)

    • Allie

      To me it looks like Tom’s jaw is set & is pursing his lips to say to DM:

      Tom: “I’ve heard some shit about your old man writing a book, something about dying. Hell, that’s not good, esp. after that Going Clear movie & that Ortega book about someone named Paulette Cooper.
      What kind of shit is going on? I’m not liking this very much. Shit, I’ve got a movie coming out and press to do and shit like this won’t help me”.

      DM: “Oh hey, Tom. Not to worry. I’ve got everything under control (sheepishly smiles) like I always do.
      I say what I always say – I don’t know whoever that is, I never do anything like that, I’ve never been to wherever that is, I never comment on family members. See, it’s all covered. Let’s go drink some scotch”
      and have some laughs.

  • Kay

    OT: Japan just won against England in women’s soccer. Laura Basset kicked a ball into her own goal scoring for Japan, making the final 2 to 1. Boy I feel sorry for her.

    • Rasha

      Oof. Depends on the reason for the own-goal. If it was an unfortunate ricochet, then I’m okay with that. If it was a confused wrong direction kick, I’m still okay with it, but I commiserate. I’ll have to look it up and see what went on, there….

      • Jimmy4

        It looked like she was trying to clear it above the goal but didn’t kick it high enough. It hit the crossbar and bounced in.

    • ReallyMGM

      That’s too bad. Start of a soccer week here. US men’s friendly against Guatamala Friday, World Cup final Women Saturday, then US men’s God Cup next week.

  • Dave In Ajax

    isn’t TC supposed to be at the idea opening in bogota

  • BabySmurfette

    Comedy Central currently showing the Scientology episode.

    • Mockingbird

      BabySmurfette you should see this .
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QF9ML4dKphE

      • BabySmurfette

        Smurder! Smurf sex! Thanks for sharing – that was hilarious

        • Mockingbird

          I have to share this with every smurflover !! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • any rich SP want to ask Travolta some question at the Kennedy Space Centre on July 19th?

    http://www.hirunews.lk/entertainment/112454/meet-john-travolta-at-ksc

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      How much did you vomit after you shot your love scenes with Lily Tomlin for Moment by Moment? Or all your heterosexual love scenes, for that matter?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      They’ll never find my buried loot. But if I could,”John, who was a better pitcher Jeff Conoway or you.”

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I’m sure he thinks he’s an officer of the Federation and belongs there.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Hehehe

    • George Layton

      THANK GOD, scientology is finally buying into space travel and getting the frick off the planet.

  • Gus_Cox

    $18,800.00. Jeezus, I could have some real spirit-raising fun with that! What a goddamned waste.

    • Obs calculated its worth due to inflation and it would be well over $30,000 today!

  • Snake Plissken

    The Tampa Bay Times pickup Tony’s story

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/father-of-scientology-leader-has-reported-book-deal/2235841

    The father of Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige has reportedly signed a deal to write a book about his son’s life. But the working title, If He Dies, He Dies, suggests the story may not be a flattering one.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Slays me that they don’t understand how tacky and undecorous it is for a cherch to use such language in a public statement. What to speak of their usual undignified public attacks on their critics. Makes them register in the extreme negative numbers on the credibility meter. Hello…living in the 21st Century digital age?

      • Snake Plissken

        Technically there is no ‘they’, it’s 100% David Miscavige, I’m sure everyone around him is pushing their TRs to the limit to keep from cringing as his whining is being transcribed and printed .

        • PerpetualOutflow

          I dunno. I think they’ve used that kind of tripe for many, many years. He may be perpetuating it, but I don’t think he originated it.

          • Snake Plissken

            There are certain things you just don’t get immuned to no matter how many times you see it

            http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1031502/face-plant-o.gif

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Perfection Snake.

            • Mockingbird

              My audition !

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am smiling and crying at the same time.
              That was painful

        • McLovin_1982

          Yes there are… he read the OTIX & OTX materials like Jimmy{pick clone number} did

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Let ’em do it. Is is just so funny. Sounds like an insane teacher we all had.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        I love it.
        It is Dave in his native state. He didn’t even bother to try on his Karin Pouw persona for that response.
        I have been chuckling about it all afternoon.

        He is imploding!

        • PerpetualOutflow

          C’mon K’Pow, Dave. Enough already. Talk about the need for a salvage mission.

        • McLovin_1982

          Zakly…. keep reinforcing that “church” image.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        You are one of the few who called that out-point! Hello, pleasant p.r. language from an ecclesiastical organization!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I think it is perfectly flattering. Bm’s Dad likes to write about the good ol’ days.

      • Snake Plissken

        Yep the good ol’ days

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Before they could have Dysoned him out!

    • Mockingbird

      Bring on the press ! Let’s get another round going ! Permanent massive penetration !

    • skiesareblue

      Interesting sentence in that article: “The church’s media relations office said in an email that David Miscavige “has always taken care of his father and continues to do so,” …. WTF

      • Snake Plissken

        He really wanted to have him ‘taken care of’ in a Tony Soprano kind of way

        • Newiga

          Yes, when Co$ says they are taking care of someone, it has a creepy vibe to it. *shudders* Think Lisa MacPherson.

          The churches media relations also state the following ““No such conversation with Mr. Miscavige ever took place,” “and any claim that one did is provable bull..”. Provable?? Really? Prove it then…..

  • Always Amazed

    How many OT levels does it take to make COS implode? There cannot be enough stupid AND rich people In the world, can there be? Amazing

    Not sure this has been posted, could not Wade thru….. Sorry if repeat post…thread of truth?

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/07/01/tom-cruise-leaving-scientology-church-suri-cruise/

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Off-Topic: Something to laugh at — a review of the most cringey of Travolta’s 80’s flops. (NSFW)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92oYy1U0_6A

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Te He!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Stoned Gremlin productions?

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Brad Jones started out as an indie exploitation filmmaker before he moved to riffing other exploitation movies.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’m in stiches!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      If you haven’t given this one a watch, you’re short-changing yourself. Hysterical.

    • Saltarello
    • Juicer77

      Buttering toast?!? I need a cold shower!

  • Anyone heard from Tony Ortega Bunker commenter lately?

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      I think that guy is meditating or some such shit.

      • Yeah, he sleeps a lot too.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think he’s doing it. I mean he has to do it, You know find the time.

    • Always Amazed

      We had a troll recently?

  • SP Wogsy

    I bet you guys a margarita that George Lucas, Oprah and Pat Broeker reads the Bunker. You can buy it for me later. You’re Welcome.

    ETA: oh and Tom Cruise

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      I am with ya on GL and PB. Oprah probably has someone give her the daily crib notes.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Oprah? I doubt it. She’s either flying in her favorite chicken from Seattle or coddling with gale.

      • SP Wogsy

        Yeah I was thinking her asst too.

    • McLovin_1982

      I raise you a George Clooney, Matt Damon, and Jeff Foxworthy. Your call…

      • SP Wogsy

        Nah George Clooney is busy playing good hubby to his beautiful wifey. I could see him playing Tony.

        • Allie

          Agree with you about George.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          He’d have to return to his physical appearance from Syriana.

    • Chee Chalker

      Well Oprah, if you’re reading this…shame on you for falling for the Scilon love bombing from your favorite celebrities: TC, JT and Krusty

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I can’t help it, but I have to say this. $cio’s and “love-bombing” is an oxymoron. They just don’t do it and are in fact incapable of it. They no doubt do something else to entice newbies, but “love” bombing per se ain’t it.

        • Chee Chalker

          Well maybe a better word is ass kissing

        • SP Wogsy

          Both. I’ve had some serious love bombers flip the switch into assholes Johnny on the spot. It really is the case of Dr. Jekyll and Hyde.

        • scottmercer

          No, they save the lovebombing for celebrities. Not actors, celebrities that are ALREADY famous.

      • Always Amazed

        A zillion times this^^^

    • Snake Plissken

      I bet quite a bit of people in the entertainment industry lurk here from time to time. If there is one industry that is sick of the cult more than any other it’s the motion picture industry, I bet 99% of the population within the 30 mile radius of Hollywood wishes the cult would just go away for good, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a parade down Hollywood Boulevard the day it happens. It has to suck having a crime syndicate like Scientology desperately trying to tie itself to the industry which employs you.

      • McLovin_1982

        Agreed… they may be vain, but they are not stupid. It damages their image either way… sciloontology is not glamorous

      • Missionary Kid

        The body routers in front of the testing center are essentially doing the same thing as the barkers and ticket sellers up and down Hollywood Blvd., but the $cientologists have managed to piss off not only their “competitos rs”, but everyone else who happens to pass by on a regular basis.

        When Tory and I did our TUML pictures on Hollywood Blvd., once people found out we were pranking Co$, we got high fives and permission to take pictures nearly every place we wanted.

        The waitress and cashier at Mel’s Diner, for instance, treated us royally, because they’ve had to deal with $cientology’s unwanted advances on a daily basis.

        The waitress got physically grabbed and pulled into the testing center.

    • Judith Sylvester

      I bet the other way on Tom Cruise. He’s made a mental commitment, and he’s not going to open any door that might cause him to rethink.

      • Snake Plissken

        I bet he lives for his and Miscavige’s ‘Big Being’ role playing game. He’s like a junkie addicted to people treating him like he’s a god who can influence the destiny of the universe, he doesn’t even have to believe it himself, as long as everyone around him in the cult does, that’s enough for him to get his fix.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          One could say this sounds like members of any number of political bodies.

          • Snake Plissken

            Sure there are numerous delusional psychopaths that gravitate to positions in politics, but politics is a little different than playing make believe superhero in a batshit crazy cult that dresses up in fake navy costumes. The delusional psychopaths that gravitate to politics actually do have certain amount of power that is granted to them when they get elected, whereas Tom Cruise only has power over slaves that are forced to worship him by the leader of a batshit crazy cult.

            • McLovin_1982

              Ok…. third LOL today… you is on a roll!!

        • SP Wogsy

          Which is why I’m only betting a margarita.

        • Judith Sylvester

          Yes, I think many people, despite fame and accomplishment doubt themselves. I suspect that Scientology replaced those self doubts for him.

      • Robert Eckert

        He doesn’t like reading, period.

        • He likes movies however.

          • Robert Eckert

            I bet he didn’t like “Going Clear” very much.

        • Judith Sylvester

          Agreed. I think he’s a limited kind of a guy, as we all are in different aspects. Unfortunately his deck of cards got laid out a certain way, and I doubt there’s any exit for him. If Scientology were legally disbanded, it might be a door he could walk through, since he wouldn’t have to think.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I give you Luca and maybe Pat, but not Oprah or Tom C

  • Room 101(Nick Lister)

    I’m with Claire. DM could release any Havingness Process or the “Locational for OTs” and call it OT 9 and 10. The sheeple will believe it. Scientology: The biggest clay demo of them all.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’m so glad you’re out, Nick..

      I don’t know how you survived all this.. To me, it all just seems soooooo frking borrrrrrring.. The boring TRs, the boring pocesses, the boring books, the boring clay demos, the boring word clearing.. Just reading about it is even boring..

      The real world is just so much fun, with so much to learn and do all the time.. Thank God you got to see that..

      • Room 101(Nick Lister)

        Thanks for your kind words ๐Ÿ™‚

        Scientology is a lot of things. Boring is a big part of it. When you think you’re saving the universe, being bored as all hell is a small price to pay on your route to becoming a god. In fact, boring becomes unbelievably exciting.

        I agree with the real world having so much in it to do and to learn. “To learn” being the key phrase. Scientologists “know”. I don’t know, but I’m learning. And I thoroughly enjoy it.

        Thanks for existing, sugarplumfairy

        • ReallyMGM

          Your optimism after going through hell makes me smile, Nick., and gives me hope there is an end to this insanity. Life is good. Hugs.

          • Room 101(Nick Lister)

            When I was at my lowest, it was those with optimism which gave me strength. I find it only proper I return the gift I was given. And thank you for existing, as well, MGM ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Commodore H. McCringleberry

              Dude, you’re on the shortlist of people who have put a swift kick into DM’s junk as publicly as possible. Glad you made it through and things seem to be looking up. Six of seven more people like you (though wouldn’t wish that bullshit on anyone) and it’ll be impossible to ignore. You are owed a great many beers.

            • Room 101(Nick Lister)

              Thank you for that! My rewards are seeing others find happiness outside the church, as I’m sure is a big source of happiness for you, as well. Thanks for being here, McCringle!

        • anonsparrow

          Hi Nick. One of the first things most people encounter in Scientology is study tech. Study tech teaches you that the biggest barrier to learning is assuming you already know.

          And yet, at the same time, the Scientology environment indoctrinates you into believing that you have gained the secrets of the universe, and therefore you “know”.

          What a tricky trick.

          Glad you’re out and playing your part.

          • Room 101(Nick Lister)

            Hey anon. Yeah, Scientology is full of doublespeak. It’s riddled with it. It’s just like when they say “What’s true for you is true”, but if you don’t agree with something the tech is “to find your Misunderstood Word.”

            I read some comment one of the bunker folk wrote me once saying something like “For every LRH datum, there is an equal and opposite LRH datum”……..It’s the truth. I had that realization on staff. No matter what I did or what policy I used to back me up, someone always had “another policy” which superseded the one I had quoted. Everyone in Scientology knows this. They constantly say, “you’ll stop getting in trouble as much once you know more policy. Policy will protect you.” That was the truth, as long as you could out-quote the other person, you’d more than likely end up unscathed and the other would be the one looking stupid. In fact, Scientology could quite literally be summed up as “The game of striving to out-quote everyone else.”

            Thanks for your support, sir ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Yep, scientology is a trap adverised as a solution to all traps. Clever trap exposed by the Internet people.

            • anonsparrow

              Internet people.. lol.

            • They are real, bro…

            • anonsparrow

              They’re good people.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              How many courses did you take before you fled to the street, Arron?

            • anonsparrow

              I only did a few courses and some Dianetics auditing before joining staff. Then I started the Student Hat course and did the Purification Rundown. I only lasted 9 months before leaving staff. It took another 10 years though to realize it was all bullshit.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’m working with a guy who left after 35 years. I hope he is going to be Ok!

            • anonsparrow

              I hope so too. I can’t even imagine what that must be like.

              I was very lucky to get in and out so quick (of the actual Church environment). I kept dabbling for another 10 years but it’s not even close to being in deep like that.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yeah, I can’t imagine trying to block all that out especially the Sea Arghh. Really great guy, too. But no benefits, Social security, relatives to go to.

            • anonsparrow

              Well for me it wasn’t trying to block it all out, but to understand what the hell happened and how I could have gotten so invested in it without doing my due diligence. It was a learning experience and I learned from it big time.

              But luckily I was able to get back on my feet and start over (philosophically speaking).

              Good luck with the person you are helping. Thanks for doing it.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks, we’ve actually become quite close friends, yet I’m a never in and have no real idea except try to encourage him to live a Happy Life. I don’t know if hangin’ out in LA and starting to harass them is a good idea. But what does a wog like me know. Just gonna be there for him. Very smart, nice guy.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              (He is)

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Any where I’d look for advice would be appreciated.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Sorry but I thought it might not hurt to ask. I realize there isn’t a panacea but any advice or book help him along. Friend’s with lots of Bunker Heads but if you know of someone that might be helpful let me know. Thanks, “See Emily play..”

            • anonsparrow

              I’m sorry but I don’t have any recommendations. Chris Shelton seems like he might be an awesome outlet but I don’t know anyone personally that might be good at that sort of thing.

            • anonsparrow

              No doubt.

              For example, if something unwanted happens, maybe it’s because you “pulled it in”. And that’s BAD.

              Or, if something unwanted happens, maybe it’s because “when you introduce -order-, confusion shows up but then blows off. That’s GOOD.

              So much policy to pick and choose from to keep that world view intact! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Newiga

              The saddest part is that it’s not even people arguing over a course of action or over differring opinions. It’s policies, that some nutcase wrote decades ago, arguing how a situation should be handled or how people should behave…

            • Great example. There are so many more.

          • One of the neat tricks. Indeed.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        You are right SGPF, but you aren’t taking into account the overarching initial seduction. It’s heady, exhilarating, intoxicating. At least in the beginning.

    • Or any of the Creation of Human Ability stuff with a slight extra magical thinking twist.

  • Music break. Instrumental… Hope you will enjoy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sqbvUt3skE

    • Newiga

      Wooow! Mad skills!

      • It’s not me. And I agree.

        • Newiga

          Thanks for sharing, Dodo. This really kick-started my morning.
          OK, coffee helps too..

          • Wonderful ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Newiga

              I do!! Love it! Both songs have this vintage gaming vibe IMHO. I was instantly taken back to my childhood days of playing NES. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Unex Skcus

      Sweet!

    • Jay Wood

      Oddball! (Kelly’s Heroes reference, for you heathens).

      Hey Dodo!

  • Matt in Atlanta

    John Sugg

    • Snake Plissken

      All I have to say is … I am so grateful I don’t have a John Sugg in my family to be ashamed of

    • Saltarello

      With his looks and personality, I’m sure the kids at school never called him “slug.”

    • Sherbet

      He gots spots?

      • Saltarello

        He fell asleep on the beach and some jokesters stuck rolled-up condoms on his face. Classic!

        • Sherbet

          Oh, gosh! Laughing…

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Used, we use to tie them to the local cops car door in High School. Thank god there was no DNA test back then!

      • Snake Plissken

        It looks like he finally got to meet David Miscavige, and he pitched baseballs at his head the entire meeting.

      • “Spot a spot” — LRH

  • Saltarello

    What’s weirder: the dance itself our the audience reaction afterwards? Remind you of anything? (When do we get to see his new number: Staying Relevant?)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1wapstBQBE

    • Sherbet

      Corny and dated, but JT never looked sexier. He probably cries when he thinks of the way he looked back then. He was gorgeous to both men and women.

      • Saltarello

        He and Swayze actually knew what the hell they were doing.

        • Sherbet

          Athletic dancing.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Swayze was trained, probably more than Travolta

  • Saltarello

    OK. One more. What the hell. It’s winter somewhere. Equal parts OT and NSFW. Peace out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVGULjRM-mA

  • El Ron is a Con
  • El Ron is a Con
    • Sherbet

      Read downthread for other views.

      • Tony has been quiet. Just saying.

        • FollowTheMoney

          What think you, Dodo?

        • Snake Plissken

          On hand hand I can’t see how he’s stayed in the cult this long, but on the other hand I keep thinking of this clip and see him as a lifer

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kuAZANjMM

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Maybe he finally took time to rest, eh?

        • Supper Powers

          You nailed that one.

  • RBE

    For those that did not hear this interview a few days ago, the podcast is now available
    https://twitter.com/WoTRradio/status/616449382896906240

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Just found on WWP, great and thanks for posting.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • ReallyMGM

      The good old days when we thought polyester was a good thing!

    • Judith Sylvester

      Damn that guy was good. But he could never do a full split.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Ouch, it hurts boys! I did two.

        • Judith Sylvester

          Yes, women are more suited to it. But men can do it if they start younger than Travolta did.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I was an eighth grade wrestler. Ouch! They are too busy trying to stretch in other ways.

  • Dave In Ajax

    I posted earlier that Tom Cruise was supposed to attend the bogota ideal org opening on July 4th, it is also reported on the ex scientologists board as a possibility from local Colombian reports, so if he is there, that will squash the rumours, if he doesn’t show could mean he was never going to begin with and the speculation continues

  • Hahaha!

    • ReallyMGM

      BURN!!! Good one Alex.

    • SP Wogsy

      That’s awesome ; )
      Wakey wakey Tom

    • Vaquera

      I’m tucking in, trying to be all calm and such…then you post this?? BWA-hahahaha.

  • Someone probably already said it earlier, but considering declining (and never big to begin with) scientology membership, the clone farm, aka OT 9 &10, is not a bad idea. Empty ideal orgs don’t look too good being empty.

    • El Ron is a Con

      Dodo but OT9 & 10 clones are only visible to OT and scooper power $ci-bots.
      for us wogs those ideal orgs will still be empty.
      Maybe OT 15 will have the tech to produce self image using clay for all ideal orgs so they don’t look empty

  • Unex Skcus

    OT – and probably gossip garbage, but – “Tom Cruise Shocker: Quitting Scientology For Daughter, Suri
    http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/07/01/tom-cruise-leaving-scientology-church-suri-cruise/

    [edit] oops, didn’t read enough comments, already here.

    • Ella Raitch

      Ton’s quitting Scientology which is shy he’s due to open some new bricks and mortar in Bogota in a week or so….

  • Chocolate Velvet

    It occurs to me that we really need to hear from Pat Broeker. I know how impossible that is, but if there is one person who can shed some additional light on what Ron was doing re: the upper OT levels it, it would be Pat. If Ron Sr. is willing to spill his story, what the hell is Pat waiting for? If the church were foolish enough to go after him with litigation, it would be a golden opportunity to get a lot of nebulous rumors and guesswork firmed up on the record. it would be impossible for Miscavige to go after Broeker without raising issues that would expose long-held secrets and lies.

    As for the so-called new OT levels, I seriously doubt that Ron came up with anything of any use in the latter years of his life. This is the same Ron who was sincerely seeking to electrocute himself in order to be rid of his troublesome BTs. I don’t even believe that Ron wrote the Battlefield Earth novels that sold so well in his final decade. I think he was a shell of a man, and there were people around him who were so used to protecting Ron’s reputation by putting out products in his name that the machine just ran on while he faded away. Any upper OT levels would have been “researched” during this period, and Ron would not have been able to have much to do with it.

    Can you imagine if he had? I mean, now that everyone understands that the Original OTVIII is not a hoax, can you imagine what he would have come up with after “I am the antichrist and you are my minions”? That whole thing is entirely consistent with the Crowley thelemic process, BTW, though Ron debased and bastardized it as he did everything — and by those lights, the next level would entail much more toxic narcissistic bullshit than that. How crazy-making would that be for the faithful members of the cult who think they are pursuing “freedom” on some level only availble to elites such as themselves? I shudder to think.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I think Bm had him killed in my gut. It would be easy to find him with a PI. Plus he was partners in crime w/ Bm.

      • Chocolate Velvet

        No. Pat is still around, unless he fell ill and died recently. He has been keeping an extremely low profile for years, but Miscavige managed to keep PIs on him for most of that time anyway. Tony interviewed those PIs and wrote about the enormous amount of funds inured to pay these guys for so many years.

        There are a few people who keep up with how Broeker is and so on. He did not vanish, he is just not making any noise, and his friends respect his choice and his privacy. I would really love to see him come forward and talk about his experiences. I think now is the time.

        • SP Wogsy

          ^^^^

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Well, suddenly they are fired after all these years? I’m not saying they killed him but . Bm is a psycho and I wouldn’t put it passed him. Shelly’s mom, lots of suspicious suicides..need i go on. And why doesn’t Pat want ever seem to appear?

          • Eclipse-girl

            You read Tony O’s article at the village Voice about Flo?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              yep,several times. She ran into a rifle twice? The police thought it was odd. Shelly and bm laughed at her funeral.

            • Eclipse-girl

              OK, we agree to disagree

              Its after midnight in my time zone.
              See everyone tomorrow

            • Todd Tomorrow

              XXXOO. Lets talk about it sometime.

          • Chocolate Velvet

            I hear you. There are many suspicious deaths around this crazy cult. Shelly’s mom is one in particular that troubles me.

            But, no to disrespect to Pat, much what I have read about him from ones where were there is that he was not mentally well or stable himself at the time of Ron’s death. One quote I recall described him as “barking mad”, unable to sustain the thread of a conversation without veering off into Scientology lingo and double speak. I will not cite the source, because I don’t have a link at the moment, but it would not be surprising to me that someone who was neck-deep in Ron’s madness might go a bit mad themselves.

            It takes time to recover, and not all exes consider telling their story publicly to be a priorityas they rebuild a normal life for themselves. It is not a question of delaying justice, to them. The old timers have no reason to believe that simply exposing the truth will change anything, based on bitter experience. So many cases, so many investigations, so many statements of fact on record, yet the cult maintains the ability to destroy families and harass critics. That is why he would be quiet.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Low profiile? He fled to Cheyenne Wyoming. Then went to Prague to teach English and became a medical Dr. Hasn’t been seen recently at all.

          • Chocolate Velvet

            Not by you…
            That is not the same as saying he has not been seen. He has. There are people who actually care about him as a human being, not just a player in a spooky melodrama. If something bad happened to him, it would not go unnoticed. He would not simply disappear.

            The same kind of bullshit swirled around about Mark Rathbun, until he spoke up. Where is he? Is he dead? He knew too much! Bullshit is bullshit.

            David does not have the balls to kill someone outright. “Let him die” is more his style.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I am with Chocolate V on this.
        UNtil Tony can verify a death, Pat B is still alive and being extremely quiet.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Tony knows 98%. Not all..

    • Hubbard did write “Battlefield Earth”, but this is hardly anything to be proud of. Literary critics are united in condemning this incoherent narrative as one the worst books ever published.

      The high sales aren’t so impressive either. Scientologists were sent out to buy multiple copies from selected bookshops with CofS money to get it into best seller lists. Some puzzled booksellers found copies delivered from the publisher with their price tags already affixed. Some copies may have gone around several times.

      Finally, the book is only in print today because the CofS publisher keeps it that way.

      Later, Hubbard wrote the 1.2 million words, which became the 10-volume “Mission Earth” surely the worst work of fiction ever published. He was in self-imposed exile at the time, hiding from the consequences of ‘project snow white’. His physical and mental health were bot rapidly declining.

      I believe that “Mission Earth” only exists because Hubbard’s minders (notably David Miscavige) encouraged him in this mad project (1.2 million words) to keep him distracted while they took the levers of power away from him.

      https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/l-ron-hubbard-david-miscavige-and-the-curse-of-the-guru/

      • Missionary Kid

        I agree with your assessment of BE. I also am of the opinion that it is close to the level of most of the rest of his writing: dreck.

        • I think John Atack’s recent revelation that many of the ‘classic’ Scientology texts that followed “Dianetics” were ‘composed’ on a Dictaphone and farmed out to ghost writers was significant.

          Hubbard was a routine pulp fiction writer, but had some skill. After “Dianetics” he seems to have given up on developing these (not to mention giving up on editors) and indulged instead in ‘stream of consciousness’ automatic writing.

          This is what produced the 2.5 million words of “Mission Earth” – and what made those books so terrible. He had tried to return to writing after a 30-year period during which his skills (such as they were) had devolved due to self-indulgence – and nobody dared tell him this.

          • Missionary Kid

            Exactly, and since no-one was going to correct LRH on anything, because he was “source,” and that included making suggestions or editing his text or galleys, and because $cientology owned the publishing firm, and hyped his books by having the clams buy them over and over at retail sources that were monitored for bestsellers, his shit sold.

            IMO, it barely qualifies as toilet paper.

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • Tony, it’s 7 am.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      where? i thought u were in the states.

      • Shh…

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          ok i won’t tell Tony. but i am ready for bed.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Night Sarah!

    • SP Wogsy

      Maybe he’s busy running with wolves . It’s a full moon ya know.

      • El Ron is a Con

        NO you are wrong, i just got off the comm line with him …
        he is busy chasing body thetans (BTs) … you know what BTs are don’t you? if not, i know a $cam (sorry I meant religious centre / church) where you can learn all about them.

    • El Ron is a Con

      Dodo, your $cooper powers are not aligned. Your ability to control MEST (matter, energy, space and TIME) is way off.
      Reprot to your closest $uper Power Ideal Org and get a $sec Check and start the crawling up the bridge again.

    • Hamtaro

      Inspired by you, Dodo: “In Soviet Russia, time tells you.”

  • Eclipse-girl
  • Freethinker

    On a more general note pertaining to clam dentists, chiropractors, etc., I hope that sometime in the future our proprietor will look into WISE health professionals and how $cientology corrupts and distorts their ethical relationship with patients.

    • ReallyMGM

      I am interested in this aspect, too. My friend, a veterinarian of many years, who is in Scientology was introduced through Hollander Consultants, then signed up for WISE. Scientology was part of the package. From what I have read, employees are strongly pressured to embrace Scientology. I might post this again tomorrow morning when more people might see it.

    • Robert Hammond

      Yes. I’ve been asking Tony to do a story on this as well. I know that with the book tour, Toronto Conference, PI hacks, and all the other breaking news, he’s got his hands full. But I think there would be a strong interest from most readers to know more about how Scientology has infiltrated so many local businesses, especially dentists and chiropractors.

      I recently posted links to this Scieftologist orthodontist John Waldron who recently left all his patients stranded: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-medina/state-board-of-dentistry-investigating-brunswick-orthodontist-john-waldron-jrs-sudden-closure

      • Freethinker

        Thank you for this link. Abandonment of patients is a big no-no:

        http://www.dental.ohio.gov/abandon.pdf

        I’m sure there are many stories to be told. And let’s not forget the WISE management companies that target dentists, etc. One of the largest, Sterling Management, was started by a clam dentist in the 80’s. The following link, from 2012, shows his pathetic story:

        http://www.dbc.ca.gov/public/dds27768_20120510_dec.pdf

        • Robert Hammond

          Thanks. I would love to see Tony do a comprehensive story on these WISE guys so people can be made aware of dentists to avoid.

  • Vaquera

    Drifting off to the sounds of fado, my dears. Nighty-night….
    http://youtu.be/XQrq7nLPHEw

    • Missionary Kid

      Sweet dreams.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        you too. Mk. The book is good:) OISTNB.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks, but I’m backed up on my non-fiction reading at this point. I just woke up to go to the bathroom, and decided to wait for Tony’s 7:00 EDT post.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I just got Robert Hammond’s, book to start tomorrow. His non fiction book.

            • Missionary Kid

              My non-fiction runs to aircraft building, repair, and flying, as well as straight history. I’m working through a well researched tome on Chairman Mao at this time.

              Mao was, from the evidence cited, a sadist who enjoyed torturing and having people killed. His rise to power was mostly by assuming it an lying like hell to his handlers in the Soviet Union, who financed the start of communism in China, and eliminating any competition within the Chinese Communist Party by any means possible.

              Mao was Miscavige with unlimited power.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I love aircraft. My Gramp’s flew one of the last Pan Am Clipper flights.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Pan Am started the first airline inner China. Saved us from WW2.

  • A New Day

    I’m so sorry if somebody already posted this, but Slate has a story about Ron Sr’s book, (edited to credit TO for breaking the news), that includes Scientology’s supposed, and oh-so-holy, response:

    Mr. Miscavige has always taken care of his father and continues to do so. Beyond that, as a matter of policy, neither the Church nor Mr. Miscavige comments on members of his family. The Church knows nothing beyond media reports about any purported book. … So let me be clear: No such conversation with Mr. Miscavige ever took place and any claim that one did is provable bullshit

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/01/miscavige_memoir_scientology_leader_s_father_to_write_tell_all_book.html

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Every time the CO$ issues one of their statements, like the one above, more people see what a bunch of foul-mouthed moonbats they are and their chances of luring in another sucker sinks even further.

      • A New Day

        Hey, yes, the news is spreading!

      • Missionary Kid

        Not only is Going Clear mentioned, but also Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book, and other writings considered entheta.

        Of course, the mythical Karin Pouw released a statement in reply. Quite ecclesiastically, it ends with “bullshit.”

        The comments run from the usual “all religions are a con” to how evil $cientology is, with none of the usual Co$ trolls showing up.

    • The CofS get their statements printed… but lately they are always accompanied by comments to the effect that the organisation is ‘controversial’ (at the very least) and mentions of “Going Clear”.

      Since the public who read these things can think for themselves and are free to follow references Scientology’s efforts to neutralise bad publicity are wonderfully counter-productive. They are always counterbalanced by links which lead to the opposition case which would not have existed otherwise.

      Even when a CofS statement is relatively reasonable (and, believe it or not, the statement in the “Slate” article is reasonable – for them) it just doesn’t ring true. Later on, when they feel threatened, their response will become so unreasonably vituperative that readers who know noting about Scientology will recoil from all that incoherent hated and start to believe the opposition.

      I doubt Ron Sr’s publishers can believe their luck. The subject of their book (David Miscavige) is paying a fortune to (unwittingly) promote it and is also demonstrating that many of the things which the author claims are true.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4V3Mo61fJM
    Please send me hamburger to my ..

  • Commodore H. McCringleberry

    Though my 3D design skills are far, far away from a Jedi level, I can still do basic shapes and letters and whatnot. As week speak, I’m printing out my first self-designed 3D print. Its a more honest revision of the Co$ cross. It’s currently printing in glow in the dark plastic, to give it that “Danger! Radioactive! Stay Away!” feel. Print time is three hours. I’ll put it up in the morning. So excited!!!!

    • Elegant Mess

      Super excited to see the results!

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        It’s printing pretty well. Larger than I though (still not good at converting inches to MM in my head), but its hilarious watching the YSCOHB letters in the lower part starting to take shape! Once I perfect the design, I’ll get some of the bronze metal filament and make one for Tony for the Houston UBML stop in a couple of weeks.

        • ReallyMGM

          Fascinated Commodor. Can’t wait for a photo. Your message the other night sent me to YouTube to watch videos of the process.

          • Commodore H. McCringleberry

            Its a good time. I’ve got some clients lined up, so that’ll offset the cost of the equipment. Honestly though, if you can solder and follow instructions really precisely over about 300 pages, you can build one for yourself and save about 3 grand. The DM Cross is about 25% done printing, and it looks scary cool. Now that it’s this far along, I’m pretty sure it won’t screw up. There’s little tips and tricks, but you get the hang of it quickly. My main machine is the Rostock Max V2. I’d highly recommend a delta style printer versus the cartesian models, and most importantly I’d recommend building it yourself. There’s always a few hiccups here and there and if you are the one that put it together, it’s way easier to fix it. Wave of the future! I’ve already got jobs from patent attorneys for models to be used in court cases and a couple side jobs making custom beads for some beadworking collectives in Houston.

            • ReallyMGM

              My days of doing that sort of stuff are over! I used to be the one that took the computers apart in the 90s to add RAM and stuff. Hubby walked in office one day and I had the motherboard laying in one place, the case in another…he turned pale and backed out. This, the man who has a Lotus in a million pieces, scared by that! Nooooo, I don’t build things anymore!

            • Commodore H. McCringleberry

              Don’t sell yourself short!! Like I said, the hardest part is a couple of small solder pads on the heated bed. After that, its just following directions and common sense. The electronics are WAY easier than wiring a standard motherboard (only two solder wires, then everything has an adapter or is screwed down). If you go slow, you can build it in a week, and you’re getting a machine that costs five times as much if you want it to work out of the box. I had a cartesian Prusa I3 before, and it doesn’t print half of what this one does. My eight year old daughter loves Disney (of course) and all things Star Wars, so she woke up this morning to an 8″ Mickey Mouse wearing a stormtrooper helmet. Made her day. In the last year, material is available that you can print in wood, bamboo, copper, bronze, brass, brick, felt, many types of rubber, magnetic and rusting iron, carbon fiber, stainless steel, poly-carbonate, conductive silicon for circuit boards, and many other things. You’re never too out of the game to bring some new ideas and some new forms of art into the world!! (refresh)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Are you mocking up J&D???

  • Snake Plissken

    Any lurkers out there who are wondering what David Miscavige means when he states he is ‘caring care of’ his father, this is his idea of ‘taking care of’ someone who has left his cult and is perceived as a threat

    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/151673/Scientologists_At_War/

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Imagine the language inside Ron’s spaceship when it’s full of the faithful. A spaceship full of people on the RPF are all going off on each other. A fight breaks out. The bridge is overrun by the brawling horde and it veers wildly off course, out of control. Adrift now it veers horribly close to the enemy planet Farsec, home of the big Psych From Hell. I dare not name him, though he remains imprisoned, for now. The big evil had an Internet connection and has scored the forthcoming OT 9 and 10 materials. He mocks himself up one hundred times. He, long ago, had completed OT 8, but like so many, he could never seem to accomplish a real exteriorization. He was pissed and wanted his money back, but, like so many… Now, he had finally out witted that pest, LRH and would use the bastard’s weapons against the Source himself! He WILL return to Farsec! Back in the guh-LAX-ee, Ron’s newly-minted Space Org is barreling, as fast as a DC 8, right toward Farsec. The SO in the ship are surviving only because they have already gone pure thetan. Lucky for them because they would be scratching each other’s eyes out by now. Who needs eyes. Hell, they are just part of the meat. The Great Nameless is assembling his clones, ready to do battle..
    I leave the remainder of the story for Bunkers to finish. Finish the story!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And then they all boarded the Freewinds where they were regged to death.

      The end.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        Hmmmm. Xenu’s clones die on the Breakwinds. Nice irony!

    • aquaclara

      Then the scene ended, and Tom Cruise, still in his fake navy uniform, joined his best friend David Miscavige for a celebratory scotch back at his trailer, and an update on their latest black PR spying project. “This will show those evil SPs we ARE winning.”

  • Tory Christman

    For what it’s worth, years ago my Mother and Father–in-law bought OT 9-11. (They had joined Hubbard in 1950 with Dianetics and had supported him their entire lives). After my ex’s Dad died,
    his Mom gave each of us their OT 9-11 packages.

    Can you imagine me trying to cash in on that one? LOL!

    • OT 11? Lol

      • Dave In Ajax

        curious as to what would have been the cost at the time

        • Tory Christman

          I think they got OT 9-11 for $2500 per package. Remember, they bought it
          many years ago…just supporting Hubbard.

          • Good thing they didn’t pay all the way to OT XV.

            • Tory Christman

              I have yet to meet anyone else who has OT 9-11 paid for.
              It was a “special” group of people who supported Hubbard
              for years…and OT 11 was as far as it went.

              I delight thinking of what “dave” and gang will come up with to keep
              this fraudulent show going.

            • It’s sure is the highest anyone paid to go up The Bridge, to my knowledge.

            • ReallyMGM

              It will be interesting to see how the old versions compare to whatever Dave comes up with in the future.

            • Tory Christman

              I doubt he will…..he’ll come up with a new scam..he has to.
              That train of “OT” crashed.

            • OTD:OutTheDoor

              Tory, can you add on a final scene to the narrative I started? You would honor me so! See my post below.

            • Tory Christman

              Sorry—I don’t see it. ๐Ÿ™ Maybe re-post it here?

          • Draco

            Good luck to anyone who tries to get those levels delivered for those long ago pre-paid prices. If I’m not mistaken, when GAT2 came out, all pre-paid packages were simply converted to cash, and they had to pay the new prices for the re-re-re-released whatever. A lot of money on account was also used to pay for the basics books/lectures.

            • Tory Christman

              You couldn’t PAY me enough money to get back on that mind control train.
              Ahhhhhhhhhhhh no thank you.
              IF someone is “in” and wants to try to use my OT 9-11….give me a jingle.
              I doubt they’d ever let you as they’re just too disgustingly cheap.

              We used to say: “If it isn’t FUN, it isn’t Scientology”.
              Now?
              “If they’re not hitting you up for $$$, any way, any how,
              it’s not $cientology”. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Newiga

              “If they’re not hitting you up for $$$, any way, any how,
              it’s not $cientology”

              Well said, Tory. The events they promote so heavily for their members might have free admission, but no one never leavse without spending some money, some way.

            • El Ron is a Con

              Tory most SO who wants to buy OT9-11 won’t have money.
              Will you let them clean your toilet with toothbrush as a payment?

            • Tory Christman

              El Ron is a Con: I think that is THE Dumbest, most offensive question anyone has asked me in 15 years. Most SO are not even “Clear”. The real question is WOULD YOU?

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        The title of OTXI is ‘Boogie Boogie Boogie Til You Just Can’t Boogie No More’.

        • Tory Christman

          ^ ^ Far too kind, CH.Mc C

          • Commodore H. McCringleberry

            Getting a reply from the Great Magoo made my entire summer! You are awesome.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsr7Yo34tk There are no exceptions to the rule.

      • wutangclam(‘sup)

        And a big old Hello to you too mate!

    • Newiga

      It’s mind boggling to think that some people have bought these levels decades ago and still hang hope of them being released.

      Can image ordering and paying, e.g. a phone today and waiting longer than a couple of days to receive it? You’d tell the company who sold you the phone to go to hell and demand a refund so you can take your business to another company who actually delivers.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Could I actually get a tax deduction for buying these, something which doesn’t even exist? Sure sounds like a con!

        • wutangclam(‘sup)

          Hey Bro……Been awhile. I trust my favourite sabre toothed, space travelling, SP seal is doing well?

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Hey ‘sup!’ I’m just having a lot of fun watching the CO$ follies. Seems like every time I fly by the Bunker, they are stepping in something! I’m just hoping that sometime soon they’ll step off the horizon and into oblivion!

            • wutangclam(‘sup)

              I know, right. They go from the sublime to the ridiculous. The walls are really closing in on $lappy. Be well dude.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Thanks, you too!

    • aquaclara

      Yes!, I can! Wow. Surely, this is refundable?

      • Missionary Kid

        Fat chance. She’s officially declared an SP, and has the letter to prove it.

  • Thursdays will never be the same in scientology.

  • ReallyMGM

    Tory, just mentioned you below! Do you know much about WISE and the consulting groups that feed professionals into it and Scientology?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      yes.

      • ReallyMGM

        Thanks Todd. Still trying to make sense of how a friend of ours got mixed up in the cult. At least he has not disconnected from most of his long time friends and family.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          You are very welcome!

    • Todd Tomorrow
      • Snake Plissken

        I remember having mix feelings about this video when I watched it a while back. She does an excellent job of exposing how much of a scam Scientology and it’s front group WISE are. However she along with many others get involved with WISE strictly for greed and are perfectly okay with having the cult show them how to work over their customers and sell them more services than they need or can afford, but as soon as they realize the cult is doing the exact same thing to them as they have been taught to do to their customers, they suddenly have a problem with it.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Since It’s late I’ll be a little OT: This is the greatest week for announcements in long time. First DM’s hacker gets caught. Then Ron Sir’s book. OT9 and OT10 are going to be released maybe? Rumors of TC leave (It’s at least fun to speculate) And now Rick and Marty have an AIR date!

  • El Ron is a Con

    while we all wait for Tony O to wake up … let us play a $ci game …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqE89qKsYSg&feature=youtu.be

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +โ€“+ Reminder +โ€“+ RED X *** Thursday, 02 July 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Better late than never, life got in the way!

    The weekโ€™s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2543619

    F5โ€ฆ La Equis , chipping away by Hamtaro, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14292777922/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Todd Tomorrow

      On it!

    • SarahDB

      Hi Pierrot, sorry I missed posting last two evenings…migraine wars here. Just posted this morning on new post and can post next several evenings to make up for it!

      • Pierrot

        Thanks Sarah, no problem we all do what we can when we can. Your help is always appreciate even if I do not go through 2000 comments to up vote those who are contributing.
        I hope that you feel better.

      • Juicer77

        Hope you are feeling better, Sarah.

        • SarahDB

          Thanks Juicer, in recovery mode! Have to run around today and get ready for vacation so trying to rev myself up ๐Ÿ™‚

  • boocruise

    error

  • FOTF2012

    Amazing how they photo-shopped out all the stress ripples in the Freewinds hull. Much easier and cheaper to just pretend than actually fix the ship.

    The picture of the Freewinds in this article is reportedly more accurate: http://tonyortega.org/2014/04/12/why-is-scientology-cruise-ship-caught-up-in-a-lawsuit-about-human-slavery/

    • Tory Christman

      In case you missed this, which I posted in an earlier thread on the FW’s:
      The 1st time I went to the Freewinds (the ONLY
      time)….we drove up and I said “Wow, that’s really big” (Having never
      been around cruise liners).
      I hung with the taxi drivers all waiting outside for awhile.

      They said: “Ohhhhhhhhhhh this is nuttin’. Wait until the BIG ships come in, mon”.
      So I did.
      Think of your desk you are at, couch, or even cell phone u are holding. That height is the Freewinds.
      Now imagine a ship pulling up 5 times as tall: Up to the Ceiling…or 2nd or 3rd floor of a building.

      The FW looked TINY compared to the *real* Cruise lines that pulled up.
      Just thought I’d point that out. Happy 4th of July 2015 to ALL ๐Ÿ™‚ Tory/Magoo

      • FOTF2012

        Thanks! I’ve never seen Freewinds in person, so your comparison helps (and no clay demo needed at all ๐Ÿ™‚

        I have been on a couple cruise ships. One was the Ruby Princess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Princess). The thing was a floating city with over 4,000 staff and passengers — and awesome food, entertainment, customer service, etc.

        Hmm. I wonder how it is that wog ships can be so much bigger than Freewinds?

  • I hope he does release OT IX and X as more people will just blow when he does.

  • anoni81b4u

    I hope he makes the bridge bigger… because he made the podiums smaller

    • anonsparrow

      Nice juxtapose!

      • anoni81b4u

        Thank you. I had to look up Juxtapose. Now I know what I did ๐Ÿ™‚