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Scientology routed: What the national press hasn’t figured out about the Trout Run defeat


[Councilman Jerry Donald, explaining why Trout Run is not really unique at all.]

Last week, a prominent local citizen of Frederick County, Maryland, assured one of our best sources that a majority on the county council had been convinced to vote no to putting a property known as Trout Run on the county’s list of historic places, which would have allowed the property’s owner, the Church of Scientology, to put a drug rehab clinic on it.

Weeks of negative press about the matter, as well as the efforts of many longtime opponents to Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, had had its effect, and our source was assured that at least four council members had decided to vote against adding the property to the county’s historic list. “Maybe 5-2,” the person said, and added that even a vote of 6-1 was possible.

Yesterday afternoon, that 6 to 1 shellacking of Scientology actually came true, with many of our readers watching it happen live over the Internet.

There was much rejoicing at places like Facebook, where various groups have kept an eye on the impending battle. The Washington Post and New York Times, which each have provided excellent coverage on a complex local issue, more soberly reported the 6-1 vote.

But in all the euphoria over seeing Scientology denied, we’ve seen little to answer our own concerns about Scientology’s gambit in Maryland.

Because, honestly, this project makes no sense whatsoever. And when Scientology does something that makes no sense, you know there’s only one question to ask.

What in blazes does David Miscavige think he’s up to?



For a few years now, we’ve been reporting on the mess that Scientology’s drug rehab clinics have become. Long a reliable moneymaker for the church, Narconon only pretended not to be a part of Scientology when it came to recruiting new patients who might be nervous about the connection. At private church events, there was never any need to pretend that Scientology doesn’t run the rehab network and count on its expansion. And Scientology’s celebrities could always be counted on to repeat the mantra that Scientology was the “expert” on “getting people off drugs” through its Narconon centers.

But then everything went to shit. We’ve documented patient deaths in Georgia, Oklahoma, Michigan, and California, some more well known than others. The overdose death of Patrick Desmond while he was in illegal patient housing (yes, the housing itself was unlicensed) turned into a lawsuit which also revealed that the Narconon in Georgia was allegedly engaging in credit card fraud, and that its executive director had been caught lying to a judge about the very nature of the place. Meanwhile, three patient deaths in Oklahoma in only nine months caught the attention of the national press, and then suing Narconon centers around the country developed into a sort of cottage industry in the last two years as attorneys discovered that Narconon’s business model is steeped in deceit.

Not only had Narconon hid its connection to Scientology when it felt it needed to, but its essential pitch to prospective patients made it vulnerable to fraud lawsuits. Why? Well, it’s pretty simple: Narconon promises drug counseling delivered by medical professionals in a safe environment, but instead, it delivers Scientology training by recently dried out addicts, and in facilities rife with drug use.

When they’re pressed on the matter, the Scientologists (and they’re always Scientologists) who run Narconon centers will say that their program is “secular,” and is only tangentially related to Scientology. This is a dodge. Take the ashtray process, for example. One of the things you will find yourself doing, if you attend a Narconon clinic, is yelling at an ashtray, telling it to stand up and sit down. This has nothing to do with helping an addict understand his or her drug cravings or what to do about them. It is entirely an exercise in telling an ashtray what to do. Now, in Scientology, there is an identical process known as “Upper Indoctrination Training Routines.” Like other Scientology processes, it has been recorded faithfully in the set of nine booklets that make up the Narconon program.

Scientology wants you to believe that yelling at an ashtray in a Narconon is “secular,” as opposed to yelling at an ashtray in a Scientology church, which is “sacred,” we suppose.

You can see why a growing number of lawyers are salivating over the prospect of suing Narconon centers on behalf of clients who actually thought they were going to receive drug counseling. (And why did they think that? Well, because to this day that’s what they’re told they will receive by Narconon representatives. We’ve seen absolutely no effort by Narconon to change any of its procedures even as the lawsuits around the country continue to mount in number.)

By 2012, Narconon was in a world of hurt. The death of Stacy Dawn Murphy on July 19 that year at Narconon’s flagship facility in Oklahoma, the third patient death at the center in only nine months, roused the attention even of the national mainstream media. (Since then, Narconon Arrowhead, which had been built with a capacity of more than 200 beds, has suffered from all the attention, and our sources tell us that it’s barely hanging on.)

And then, Armageddon: Narconon’s problems were featured on NBC’s news magazine show, Rock Center. The date: April 5, 2013.



That same day, it was revealed that Scientology had made the first of two interesting moves, each of which cost it about $5 million.

In California, a wholly-owned Scientology entity known as Social Betterment Properties International (SBPI), which purchases land for Scientology fronts like Narconon, paid $5 million cash for the Larry Hagman estate in Ojai, California. Then, three days later, a process began in Frederick County, Maryland that would end up with SBPI spending a similar amount, $4.85 million, for a 40-acre parcel that included a deteriorating private fishing camp known as Trout Run. Each of the properties are in isolated locations not very far from major and important cities (Los Angeles and Washington DC).

Each also had connections to television, oddly enough, with the Hagman connection in Ojai, and Trout Run’s use as a stand-in for Camp David in episodes of The West Wing.

But the Trout Run property had a special set of problems. Although Scientology had paid a substantial amount of money, there was no guarantee that it would get to open a Narconon clinic on the property. The reasons are intriguing and complex, and we recommend that you take a look at the excellent breakdown written up by former county commissioner Kai Hagen.

As Hagen explains, despite Scientology’s ownership of the parcel (through SBPI), it could not use it for a Narconon unless the county council decided to put the property on the county’s list of historic places.

A local newspaper claimed that Scientology had the county over a barrel — the council, the newspaper argued, couldn’t consider the merits of Narconon or Scientology, and the council was restricted to determining whether Trout Run was “historic.” And since Herbert Hoover had once caught a fish there, it was hard to deny.

But Hagen demonstrated how wrong that notion was. The council didn’t have to determine if the property was historic. It only had to determine whether the property should be put on the list of historic places. There’s a difference. The county, for example, has been very stingy about putting places on the list, which currently consists of only ten properties. Also, it wasn’t improper, Hagen said, for the council to consider whether a drug rehab clinic should be the best use for a property that the county wanted preserved.

At yesterday’s meeting, the council members opposed to listing the property were extremely careful not to mention Narconon or Scientology. Councilman Jerry Donald, for example, said he wasn’t convinced that Trout Run was really so unique, and he listed numerous other locations in the county that were similar but weren’t on the historic places list. Three others also spoke up, and similarly said they were basing their ‘no’ vote strictly on Trout Run’s lack of historic character.

This was smart, and anticipates the prospect of a Scientology lawsuit against the county.

But is that where this is headed? We decided to ask the same person who had explained to us why Scientology was buying the Larry Hagman estate, and who tells us that understanding the mind of Scientology leader David Miscavige is the only way we’re going to understand what’s happening in Maryland.



Last October, David Miscavige made an announcement that proved his former spokesman, Mike Rinder, had correctly predicted what Scientology wanted to do with Larry Hagman’s estate.

With Narconons in trouble around the country, Rinder explained that Miscavige, instead of retreating, would “out-create” the problem. He announced that he was going to build a whole new set of Narconon facilities around the world, and that they would be “Ideal.”

Since 2003, Miscavige has been pushing for drab old Scientology “orgs” (the word for churches) to be replaced with gleaming “Ideal Orgs.” It’s been a great fundraising tool for him, and now Miscavige has gone a bit “Ideal” happy, with announcements that there will be Ideal Advanced Orgs, Ideal Missions, and even Ideal drug rehab clinics. The Hagman estate was held up as the crown jewel of these, and, as Rinder predicted, it would become a new kind of upscale clinic where celebrities could get special treatment as they dried out.

We asked Rinder why in the world Scientology would pay nearly $5 million for an isolated Maryland parcel that would need an extensive and expensive renovation, not to mention the legal fees and consultant fees it must be forking over in the zoning fight, and all for a tiny facility — beds for only 20 patients are listed in the detailed plans submitted by Scientology. There’s no way such a small number of patients could produce the revenue to justify such an expensive project.

“Tony, it’s all a PR move by David Miscavige,” Rinder told us. “When the flaps really started happening with Narconon in Oklahoma, Miscavige went out and said, we’re going to out-create this, and he purchased these properties for the equivalent of Ideal Orgs for Narconon. Really they’re for show. And so he can tell Tom Cruise and Kirstie Alley and whoever else is left that we have the perfect place for you to bring your friends who have drug problems.”

Rinder also emphasized that everything is for show — but a particular kind of show. “Really it’s just to deflect criticism and so they can show it at an event. Everything they do now is for showing at one of Miscavige’s Nuremburg rally events,” he says, referring to the showy New Year’s Eve and other major events that Scientology puts on and that were featured pretty prominently in Alex Gibney’s recent HBO documentary, Going Clear.

“With Going Clear, with Narconon going down the crapper, Miscavige goes to Basel, Switzerland to pull the ribbon on a stupid little building?” Rinder says, referring to Miscavige’s most recent public appearance, to open another “Ideal Org,” this time in Basel. “The only reason that happened was so that he has something to show at the Maiden Voyage event in June,” Rinder adds. “It’s a joke. It’s a tiny city, and was never a big place for Scientology. It’s all PR, and it’s not PR for the external world. It’s PR for the internal Scientology public.

“So they’ll fork over $4.85 million for a place with a dozen beds for patients in the DC area just so he can say Narconon has a new Ideal location.”

And there’s no way Miscavige is about to give up, he adds.

“This is going to get challenged. They’ll bring in [longtime Scientology attorney] Eric Lieberman, or some super-specialist to find some way to legally challenge this. If I were a gambling man, I would lay my money on there being a legal challenge. They’ll comb through the statements made by the council members, and not just what they said in that vote meeting, looking to find a rationale to challenge it. Because it’s an insult — that’s how Miscavige will treat it, and he doesn’t take kindly to being insulted.”

Thanks for that insight, Mike. We’ll be interested to see if things suddenly get hot for those six county councilmembers who dared to go up against Scientology’s diminutive dictator.

And now, for you details junkies, here’s a cool interactive timeline put together by a friend of the Underground Bunker…





Check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour.

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, so we’re posting them at the Underground Bunker. We’ve created a dedicated page for them, and we hope you go through them all, then come back here and tell us your thoughts!

Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our appearances…

June 11: New York City (with Paulette Cooper) 5:30 to 7 pm. We’re keeping the venue on the down-low at this point. If you’re interested in coming to this unique event — Paulette in New York talking about Scientology where her story began — drop us a line so we get an idea how many are coming.

June 20: Chicago (with Christian Stolte) The Annoyance Theater, 5pm: This event is SOLD OUT.

June 22: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper) Toronto Public Library, 40 Orchard View Blvd, 7:30 pm, sponsored by the Centre for Inquiry-Canada
June 23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper) The “Getting Clear” conference

June 28: Clearwater, Florida (with Paulette Cooper) Clearwater Public Library, 2 pm

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry (with Paulette Cooper)

Late July/Early August: ENGLAND


Posted by Tony Ortega on June 3, 2015 at 07:00

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    The owners of this address received a permit on Tuesday, May 19, 2015

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  • Frodis73

    OT confession-I accidentally stumbled across that wife swap show on ABC. OMX. One of the wives is that lady from the documentary “Queen of Versailles” (the idiot rich ppl building this huge fricking ugly mansion). It’s a train wreck and I cannot turn it off. I wonder if Trish Duggan is anything at all like this broad…she hosts a jewelry and botox party. Trish sure looks the trophy wife part. The wealth on display is so revolting…I just do not understand it.

    Hanging head in shame as it comes back from commercial and I continue to watch…

    • Eclipse-girl

      it is really really hard not to watch a train wreck.

  • The Dude

    J.R. Ewing should be turning in his grave!

    • Sookie Sookie

      DM: “And so, in closing…”
      Trout: “For the love of Neptune, shut the fuck up already — it’s OVER.”

    • Saltarello

      Fish: Take me to the river…
      DM: NO! It’s supposed to be a WHALE. Singing “Take me to the cleaners.”

    • Ella Raitch

      DM: Do trout fly?
      Trout: No, I do an unforgettable rendition of….”We stand tall……”

  • Charlieisaferalgod

    Connor Cruise thinks the Arthur Ashe Courage Award should not go to Caitlyn Jenner but to someone who actually deserves it:

    • Mockingbird

      I am not on Twitter . So everyone please let Connor know .- I agree , there are important issues that are not being addressed – like the terrorist mind control cult Scientology and their rampant and egregious abuses and crimes .

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I agree. I’m very happy that she has transitioned. But I think the award should go to anybody who has never been on E!

    • Robert Hammond

      Maybe he thinks it should go to Tony Ortega and Paulette Cooper for exposing the evils of cult mind control and human trafficking.

  • seriouslyWTF

    Just ran across this on the Twitter. Connor Cruise talking about Caitlyn Jenner.

  • stillgrace2

    The story about Krusty, Organic Liasions, and ponzi schemes is incredible. Karma.

    I need some help identifying what is going on in the lower right corner of this photo (her left arm?). Any help is appreciated. It might be easily explained by something, but I don’t know what it is.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I see some rails and believe she is leaning on one. Enjoyed this text below the pics.

      • stillgrace2

        Oh. She’s leaning against a round rail. That explains some of it. It also looks like there’s a body thetan (or something) next to her arm on the other side of the rail.
        Thanks for checking the photo, Dee. I should probably stop looking and go to sleep!

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          I planned to go to sleep too until I found the 6 Larry Brennan Interview radio tapes. Good stuff and nice to hear him. Fascinating!

    • Tony Ortega

      I may have a little more on this tomorrow, but don’t get excited. This is an old lawsuit based on, of all things, a B-movie that Kirstie had nothing to do with. It’s being blown out of all proportion because Radar had a slow news day.

      The lawsuit is really about Michelle Seward investing the money of her clients, and has almost nothing to do with Kirstie.

  • Sookie Sookie

    O/T: Can anyone tell me what “B-I” stands for exactly, in the context of the Guardian’s Office? Does the “B” mean “bureau” or “branch?” Does the “I” mean “information” or the number one? I’ve seen it all kinds of ways. I’m looking for how people inside pronounced it back in the day.

    • Simi Valley

      In the book, Tony refers to it as B-I, but I always heard it referred to as B-1, and I have read different accounts of the B standing for Bureau and Branch. It was the intel department of the GO.

      • Sookie Sookie

        Thanks, Simi. It seems like the intel part was called one thing (branch or bureau) and the B-1 was the opposite. I just can’t figure out which was which.

    • Tony Ortega

      Said out loud, it was referred to as “Bee One,” standing for Branch One of the Information Bureau. (I have a typo in the book calling it Branch One of the Information Branch, that I’m hoping to get fixed for the second printing, which is coming soon.)

      Even though it was said “Bee One,” it was always written as “B-I” with the Roman numeral.

      • Sookie Sookie

        Thanks, Tony.

        Second printing, eh? Very hearty congratulations!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Speaking of typos – page 146, last paragraph…”they family”

      • Eivol Ekdal

        First paragraph, page 396 …
        “Almost right away, we began to have great luck as “Roger” and “Bruce” were located…”
        But on the first page the Jesus guy is called Bill.
        That is all 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        Our first printings are going to be collector’s items!

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Oh poor Davey Dickless doesn’t like being insulted?
    Well then I will make sure I don’t hurt the little c@cksucker’s feelings from now on.
    The petty little shrunken-nutted, slapping, stunted, poofy-haired, impotent crybaby.

    • Mockingbird


      • TheMirrorThetan

        What? That wasn’t an insult, not really.

        • Mockingbird


        • Frodis73

          It *was* awesome whatever it was. 😀

          • TheMirrorThetan

            Thanks. He deserves it 🙂

  • Saltarello
    • Frodis73

      That family makes me sick. I wonder how they would have reacted if Josh
      had been touching his younger brothers? I have a feeling the reaction
      would have been a lot more extreme.
      Also, I think there is more to
      this story…he keeps downplaying the abuse by saying they were asleep
      and it was done over their clothing (like that matters). Josh’s wife
      needs to keep a very close eye on him and I would not leave him alone
      with the kids! They are all hypocrites in the extreme.

      • seriouslyWTF

        The thing that really bothers me is that Josh said he stopped because his parents and others told him that it would ruin his life if he kept on. Nowhere does he say anything about the girl’s lives. It is also so weird how they all plaster on their fake smiles in interviews.

        • Frodis73

          Yep. Like I said, I really think there is more to this story…or this isn’t the end of it. I’ve read the Quivefull literature about how they deal with these issues and it’s horrifying. Totally about blaming the victim and what they did that played a part in the incident! Wth. Just revolting.

          • ReallyMGM

            How the Quiverfull movement deals with issues? Think back to how they dealt with Andrea Yates. She kept having children, with post partum depression increasing with each birth until it was full blown psychosis resulting in the death of 5 children.

            The mental health professionals and insurance companies played a part in the tragedy, too, but the fundamentalist Quiverfull movement that her and her husband were so involved in was right there too.

            • Frodis73

              I absolutely agree they are to blame too. Many failures contributed to that situation, but the mental mind warp sure did its damage on Andrea.

            • ReallyMGM

              And that was before the Duggar family was so damned popular. Do we ever learn?

            • SarahDB

              I didn’t realize the Yates were part of that movement.

            • ReallyMGM

              Yep. I don’t think it was the same church/pastor, but it was my first time hearing of Quiverfull.

            • April

              Andrea was on antipsychotic medications at the time of the murders. Her psychiatrist had also instructed the husband not to leave her alone at all with the kids until her condition improved considerably. She was only alone with the kids very briefly that morning between the time her husband left for work and the mother-in-law arrived. Where her doctor failed her is not realizing just how sick she was and underestimated her risk to harm those kids. Sad sad sad situation all the way around.

      • Saltarello

        Or if someone — man or woman — had “touched” Josh. No doubt that would have been considered a crime (of biblical proportions). No telling of course, but I wonder if Josh would have resorted to molestation if he had grown up in a sexually healthy environment. Why do people still say that sex ed encourages sexual activity…? Hell, maybe for some kids it does, but the most natural of urges have a way of expressing themselves in unnatural ways if they’re bottled up.

        • ReallyMGM

          I said something below about the same thing. He was a young abuser. I would bet money someone had abused Josh at some time; probably someone of power in their church group.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      God Buy Duggars! Made my day!

      • ReallyMGM

        I know their show is toast..gone with the wind, and that is good. No more publicity for them.

        I worry about the girls now. While on the show they were able to take trips, go places, see things, and dream of perhaps doing something other than being a Stepford Wife. Now they will never leave that mountain except for trips to Sams Club and the Goodwill store.

        I know one of the older girls at one point expressed an interest in moving to a larger city and college. Mama D shut that down FAST!

        • Leigh Andrews

          Were I Jerry Falwell, Jr. or some other president of a Christian college, I’d offer all of the Duggar girls a scholarship that covers all of their expenses as they became of age to go to college.

          One of the crazy things about the Quiverfull movement is that often the children’s births are not registered, as the law requires, so in certain ways, the children do not exist. The fine for not registering a birth is usually fairly small, around $500.

          • ReallyMGM

            There are several private church universities in and around their area; some are more strict religiously than others. But that is something they should do! University of AR is in their back yard but it would expose them to too many liberals, I guess. I just know one of the older girls, she is about 24, is not married and expressed interest in getting more education in an interview. Mama jumped in and said “what she really means is ……” Broke my heart that she can’t have dreams and wishes outside of their home.

            • Leigh Andrews

              Another option is to hire her for the registrar’s office or public affairs office, and give her a tuition waiver that way. Any of the Duggar girls would raise the profile of the religious college and make them seem more desirable to prospective students. The problem for Mama Duggar is that a woman who has an independent income is just about impossible to draw into the Quiverfull movement.

            • ReallyMGM

              There are private women’s colleges out there, too. These young women are entitled to educational opportunities beyond the walls of their home if they want it. I am afraid they are indoctrinated to believe it is wrong. It has the same overtones of Warren Jeff’s FDLS mantra for women, “Keep sweet.”

            • Leigh Andrews

              I considered religious colleges first because that would be the most acceptable option to their parents, even though the girls are old enough to make up their minds in at least a few cases. A problem of Quiverfull and other fundamentalist groups is that you lose everyone you know when you leave the group.

    • ReallyMGM

      These idiots don’t even get by making excuses for their son’s behavior they are blaming their daughters (and another child). I hope one of those kids grows up and writes a tell-all expose of their house of horrors.

  • Supper Powers

    Why doesn’t TMZ stalk David Miscavige for some unflattering photos? Radar apparently invented a tenuous Scio link today. Surely tmz can do the same with photos of DM. I’d pay to put a PI on him just for fun!

    • Dave In Ajax

      he would have to leave his own hole

    • Frodis73

      TMZ tends to not go after the church hard at all. I think Harvey may have been safe pointed…or something. When the PI story (think it was that story) broke they changed a story and took DM’s name out of it and just referred to him as leader of the church. Something funky like that happened,. Media Lush was all over it and called them out on his blog.

      • ReallyMGM

        Harvey Levin is an attorney. He probably knows DM would hit him with an armada of attorneys over the most tiny thing. And as you said, safe pointed, ect. It might not be worth the hassle unless it is an exceptional story.

    • Snake Plissken

      For the same reason they don’t stalk any of the other batshit crazy cult leaders, It pretty tough to stalk a prison warden especially one that lives in the prison he the warden of.

  • valshifter

    On the Dish Network show, Tom Cruise came up in the conversations, supposedly, he requested the Madame Tussauds wax figure of him in Hollywood to be 2 inches taller than he actually is. LOL

    • Ella Raitch

      Has it melted or are they actually trying to mimc cheek and chin implants – yowsers

      • valshifter

        Not sure but, he sure looks all sweaty (oily), he looks like an oily table rundown guru.

      • Saltarello

        His auditing doesn’t seem to have helped with his implants at all.

    • ReallyMGM

      What? Make him 5’7″ instead of the 5’5″ (and that is generous!) that he actually is!

    • Saltarello

      And Miscavige requested his own personal waxworks Tom doll to be two inches shorter than Tom actually is.

      • valshifter

        LOL , the battle of the statures , well he is COB so Tom has to obey him if he wants to keep his certs.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      He could have done what they did with Ryan Seacrest’s figure. That one is sitting on a tall stool…

    • Jimmy3

      It must be weird when your wax statue is less creepy than you are in person.

  • Jimmy3

    One day you will admit that you love this.

    • ReallyMGM

      One day? Always have liked DMB. Damn.Good.Music.

      • Jimmy3

        She knows, but she doesn’t know.

    • ReallyMGM

      Right now my playlist is Big Star: #1 Record, Radio City, 3rd/Sister Lovers and Chris Bell’s I Am the Cosmos. I saw the documentary on Netflix and can’t get their music out of my head. Best music of the 70s and no one heard it.

      • Jimmy3

        Your playlist has become my playlist.

        • ReallyMGM

          Big Star fans are a cult. But in the best way. Even though they had no commercial sucess in the 70s, people “found” their music in the 90s.

        • ReallyMGM

          If you have Netflix, watch the documentary. It is good.

    • ReallyMGM

      This week my jam is Robert Plant. Getting pumped for concert next week. He might be pushing 70, but he is still a golden god!

      • Saltarello
        • ReallyMGM

          That was an incredible album. I remember hearing about their collaboration and thinking, “What the _____? But then it was released and it was breathtaking. It was just as stunning live.

          • Saltarello

            “What the” indeed. Would have been a good title! (Almost as good as “Hell Freezes Over,” the Eagles reunion album. Would have loved to see Plant/Krause live. Eagles too for that matter. Too much music, too little time.

            • ReallyMGM

              My “what the ___” moment was at the RP and Band of Joy concert in Nashville. I had driven through a hellacious snow storm (southerners can not drive in snow) to get to concert. Was sitting waiting when my hubby pointed discreetly to my side. Jack White was sitting in the seat next to me.

            • ReallyMGM

              I’d love to see the Eagles too, but they charge too much for their tickets and don’t come through my city making it more expensive with driving/hotel/other. I get by ok with just who comes through though. I spend entirely too much on concert tickets!

    • Saltarello

      Does anyone deny it?

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  • Dave Reams

    Scientology is so practiced at declaring that I am shocked that they could not get a simple old building declared. They may be standing tall but are impotently too flacid to even satisfy themselves.

  • Volunteer Ministers

    Scientology wants you to believe that yelling at an ashtray in a Narconon is “secular,” as opposed to yelling at an ashtray in a Scientology church, which is “sacred,” we suppose.

    And that dumbfuck Kirstie Alley always thinks she’s winning the argument with the ash tray.

  • Emily

    Hello all, I have three tickets for Tony’s sold-out book event in Chicago, but it turns out I’m not able to go. Would anyone like to use the tickets? It’s at the Annoyance Theatre on Saturday, June 20 at 5 pm. The tickets – which were free – are PDFs and printable.