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John Coale, Greta Van Susteren, and the miracle of Scientology drug technology: A meditation

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We’ve posted here a remarkable photograph of a man named John Coale, who was one of the few human beings in the stands at a notorious baseball game held recently in Baltimore, Maryland.

The game, played on April 28, was the first in Major League Baseball history that had no fans in attendance; ticket holders had been told not to come to the stadium while the city was still experiencing unrest during protests over the death of a man named Freddie Gray at the hands of Baltimore police. The Orioles jumped out to a 4-0 lead and eventually won the game 9-2. Journalists who covered it said it was one of the strangest events they’ve ever witnessed.

 
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Coale managed to get a photograph of himself in the otherwise empty stands at Camden Yards because he’s a member of the Maryland Stadium Authority’s executive board. And that’s where we recently sent a message to him, and confirmed with the Authority that our message did get to him.

Why were we sending Coale a message? Well, for a number of reasons. Let us explain.

We were very interested when a profile of Coale appeared on April 12 in the Washington Post.

“A retired, once-flamboyant trial lawyer who made millions off the tobacco wars of the 1990s, Coale is using his private jet to ferry [former Maryland governor Martin] O’Malley around early nominating states as the still largely unknown Democrat weighs a long-shot presidential bid,” said the article. The piece also noted that Coale has favored both Republican and Democratic candidates with his support in the past, and that his friendship with O’Malley goes back many years.

Coale, in other words, is a well known attorney who likes to use his money to influence politics behind the scenes. He also happens to be married to Greta Van Susteren, the Fox News host. They are both longtime Scientologists.

We were disappointed that the Post ‘s otherwise very good piece left out a really interesting recent anecdote about Coale. On February 27, Washington Examiner reporter Eddie Scarry was covering the Conservative Political Action Conference, the annual confab that draws conservative political hopefuls and the press that covers them. In a series of tweets, Scarry said that while he was at CPAC he introduced himself to Coale, who then pulled Scarry “close to his face” and berated him for criticizing Scientology in print.

 
That surprised Scarry, who doesn’t write about Scientology. But he figured Coale must have been reacting to a tweet Scarry had put out. In the tweet, Scarry said something about New York Times columnist Joe Nocera writing about Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear and admitted that he, Scarry, was looking forward to seeing the film.

So for merely expressing that desire to see Gibney’s movie, Scarry got a face full of John Coale dressing him down at the CPAC gathering in February. We have a feeling that Coale in full intimidation mode is something to see.

That anecdote tended to cut against the Post ‘s profile, which played down Coale’s affiliation with Scientology: “Coale said that his religious beliefs don’t drive his politics and that O’Malley ‘didn’t seem to give a hell’ when he told him about them several years ago.”

The Post generally gave Coale’s Scientology involvement a pass, even though Coale’s Scientology history is actually pretty fascinating.

Back in 2009, Gawker’s John Cook wrote a great piece about Coale, who at that point was running Sarah Palin’s political action committee. Cook had dug up a 1986 Scientology document which showed that Coale had proposed a really clever and somewhat underhanded way for Scientology to increase its influence in Washington.

The language in the document indicated that Coale was well aware that Scientology, given its reputation, couldn’t be open about its aims, and needed to take a more subtle approach…

One of the main objectives which we have been working towards is to create a group which could be easily identified by Scientologists without involving any blatantly Scientology terms (such as “dianetics”), and which is general enough to allow for participation by non Scientologists as well.

The name for the group Coale came up with was pretty clever: Freedom, Liberty And Good Government Political Action Committee, or FLAGG PAC.

Non-Scientologists would see a patriotic name, but Scientologists would hear an echo of the organization’s headquarters in Clearwater, Florida, known as “Flag.”

See the genius of it? Scientologists could back politicians that forwarded their interests, and donations could be gathered from people who had no idea they were giving to a Scientology cause.

Alas, Coale told Cook that his proposal was a flop. Only a few people were apparently interested in donating any money, and so it never got off the ground. But the document is still a fascinating look into the way a determined Scientologist thinks. Coale isn’t the only one who has attempted to spread Scientology’s influence through carefully camouflaged front groups — the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, Narconon, the Foundation for a Drug-Free World, Youth for Human Rights and many more are all attempting to do just that with plenty of effort today.

And we know that Coale, at least at one time, tried to do a similar thing for Scientology in the political arena. But there’s so much more to know about John P. Coale and Scientology which outlets like the Post, for some reason, never get around to asking, and we just don’t understand why.

And that’s what our message to him was about.

The Maryland Stadium Authority confirmed for us that our message, asking about L. Ron Hubbard’s amazing drug technology, was delivered to Coale.

Sadly, we haven’t heard anything back from him. It turned out that the day after we messaged him, Coale went in for open heart surgery. But he’s doing better now, as you can see, and so we thought we had waited a suitable amount of time before going ahead with this story.

 
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Coale is looking like he’s recovering nicely. But what we wanted to ask him about was another procedure he had done as a Scientologist. According to Scientology’s own Source magazine, issue 95, Coale completed an audited level called “New OT IV” in 1995.

Last year, with the help of Scientology tech experts Claire Headley and Bruce Hines, we described the wonders of New OT IV, which are spelled out in the writing of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard himself.

Although the previous level, “Operating Thetan Level Three,” or “OT III,” gets a lot more attention with its story about Xenu the galactic overlord made famous in a 2005 South Park episode, we think it’s a shame that OT IV doesn’t have its own notoriety.

You see, on OT III you might learn that you are not just one being but actually a collection of many, perhaps thousands, of unseen souls clustered together after being marooned on Earth in a genocidal act 75 million years ago, but on OT IV, you learn that there’s even more work than simply chasing away these “body thetans” or “BTs.” It turns out that your unseen body thetans also have drug histories, and it’s your job to get them all to go through some kind of rehab to dry out.

Now, before you scoff, we want to point out that this is not some religious ritual that we’re dishing on. We know some folks out there get uncomfortable with the idea that we’d describe the intimate details of a “religion” that is no more nutty than the others. (Or so someone always claims, without fail.)

But you’d be wrong about that. This is not religion we’re describing. This is inerrant scientific fact, and any honest Scientologist will tell you as much. When you are auditing New OT IV, you are not supposed to be praying or trancing or otherwise having a transcendent spiritual experience. L. Ron Hubbard described an actual state of reality — you have invisible ancient alien entities inside and hovering around you, and they have drug histories, and, at about $10,000 for the level, it is your task to determine those drug histories and dry out the junkies you have for space cooties.

Again, we will say to the doubters, this is scientific fact presented by Hubbard, and Scientology’s own publication demonstrates that John P. Coale completed this procedure on his way up the Bridge to Total Freedom, and at around the same time he was handling what he called the “mother of all lawsuits” against America’s tobacco companies. (How many of his body thetans were smokers, we have to wonder.)

And Hubbard is ready for your objection that you may not have used any drugs in this lifetime: “Maybe the guy has never taken LSD or Pheno-barbitol in his lifetime and doesn’t have any of that drug actually in his body. But the BT or cluster freewheeling through an incident containing the drug mocks up the apparency of the drug in the body, making the guy feel that he is on that drug.”

Hubbard’s jargon is a bit thick, but you get the idea — your current life is going to be affected by your unseen spirits re-experiencing their drug binges from millions or billions of years ago until you take care of it.

And, he spells out, your body thetans may be carrying around drug residues that we haven’t even invented in this solar system, so be prepared to restimulate the mother of all flashbacks.

Why, we have to wonder, is it not OK to ask John P. Coale, legal champion, stadium executive, jet travel supplier to presidential candidates, about his work putting his invisible space entities through drug rehab? Shouldn’t he have amazing stories to tell about it?

Come to think about it, isn’t treating billion-year-old invisible entities for drug abuse the kind of thing that ought to get some ratings on Fox News?

And we know just the host to put it on. According to Source magazine, Greta Van Susteren completed New OT IV in 1992. Her body thetans have been clean and sober for more than 20 years now. Isn’t that Emmy material?

At the least doesn’t she, and her husband, have the obligation, since they’ve completed Hubbard’s miracle cure, to warn the rest of us that what’s holding us down or harming our potential are the hits of super-outer-space blue meth our invisible E.T. passengers are still hopped up on, millions of millennia after doing them?

Come to think of it, doesn’t that explain Hannity?

 
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Lori Hodgson on the airwaves

Lori Hodgson will be talking about the way Scientology ripped apart her family today at 5:00 pm Eastern on WPIC-AM 790 in Pennsylvania.

 
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BOOK NOTES

 
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NEW: Check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour.

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, so we’re posting them at the Underground Bunker. We’ve created a dedicated page for them, and we hope you go through them all, then come back here and tell us your thoughts!

Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly. Isn’t technology cool.

 
Our appearances…

June 11: New York City (with Paulette Cooper) We’re keeping the venue on the down-low at this point. If you’re interested in coming to this unique event — Paulette in New York talking about Scientology where her story began — drop us a line so we get an idea how many are coming.

June 20: Chicago (with Christian Stolte) The Annoyance Theater, 5pm: This event is SOLD OUT.

June 22: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper) Toronto Public Library, 40 Orchard View Blvd, 7:30 pm, sponsored by the Centre for Inquiry-Canada
June 23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper) The “Getting Clear” conference

June 28: Clearwater, Florida (with Paulette Cooper) Clearwater Public Library, 2 pm

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 27, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Sherbet

    Funny thing about the fanless game at Camden Yards: If it had been at Fenway Park, and there were only one female spectator, she’d still have to wait in a long line at the Ladies’ Room.

    • Jimmy3

      Manny Ramirez is still hanging out at Fenway?

      • jazzlover

        Are you confusing him with Pedro?

        • Jimmy3

          Is Pedro on fertility drugs too? I wish them both the best.

          • jazzlover

            I just thought he was eternally horny 🙂

        • Sherbet

          Oh, you guys. There are ALWAYS long lines at the Ladies’ Room.

          • jazzlover

            Yes, I think we both got the joke. But I’ve known that since my earlier days of drinking at the South Street Seaport, when there were more women in the men’s rooms than men 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Yes, it’s a women’s clothing logistics thing that creates those long lines. TMI.

            • LHS

              This might be TMI as well, but women also take longer in the Ladies’ Room when they’re dealing with, ahem, their time of the month.

            • Sherbet

              Right. So the Men’s Room looks appealing at that point.

            • Always Amazed

              and there is NEVER a line.

            • Sherbet

              There would be if they bothered to wash their hands. 😀

            • jazzlover

              Yup, and that damn impatience 😉

            • aquaclara

              Hey, I do remember that. My memory is vintage late 80s…the sea of navy blue suits was matched by the sea of briefcases stashed on the side.

            • jazzlover

              And the sight of oil-can sized Foster’s being carried to and fro 🙂 I wasn’t one of dem dere drugged out stock brokers, btw 🙂

  • Robert Hammond

    One very interesting sentence in this article was this:

    “It turned out that the day after we messaged him, Coale went in for open heart surgery.”

    Could it have been the result of his strong reaction to getting a message from The Bunker?

  • Simi Valley

    This has nothing to do with anything, but … I just asked myself this question: What was the weirdest thing you ever witnessed in $ickentology, that if you had had your head on straight, would have just made you cut and run?

    My answer (not a “flash answer”) to myself was the time, during my first year in the cult, when the Ethics Officer at the NY org asked me to “help” him by typing up some stuff. I agreed to do it, and he gave me some guy’s O/W (overt/withhold) writeup which included details – extreme details of his visit to a prostitute.

    • Jimmy3

      Makes sense. In Scientology, someone is always either paying or getting paid to screw someone else.

    • Observer

      Yikes. So much for strict, sacred confidentiality.

  • madame duran

    The name for the group Coale came up with was pretty clever: Freedom, Liberty And Good Government Political Action Committee, or FLAGG PAC.

    Non-Scientologists would see a patriotic name, but Scientologists would hear an echo of the organization’s headquarters in Clearwater, Florida, known as “Flag.”

    BASTIDS!!! That is soooo NOT COOL.
    *angrily shakes fist*
    *goes back to work, thinking of next chance to read TUML*

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    When you are auditing New OT IV, you are not supposed to be praying or trancing or otherwise having a transcendent spiritual experience. L. Ron Hubbard described an actual state of reality — you have invisible ancient alien entities inside and hovering around you, and they have drug histories, and, at about $10,000 for the level, it is your task to determine those drug histories and dry out the junkies you have for space cooties.

    Right now I reeeeally hope Irvine Welsh is reading this and taking down notes…

    • CO$CUZ

      Love Irvine Welsh. ‘Filth’ is one of my favourite books. Dark stuff. Clearly a character that could have benefited from OT IV and the Purif.

      • One Human

        They made a pretty decent movie of it too.

        • CO$CUZ

          I agree. James McAvoy did such a great job. I felt sick and dirty after that one. One of the few times i was glad I saw the movie before I read the book, helped me understand the slang.

          • One Human

            As an American, I am finding I enjoy British cop shows a hell of a lot more than those on U.S. networks, and the sound of the dialogue is a big reason.
            ‘Shameless (UK)’ is another envelope pushing show, and features McAvoy in the first 2 seasons.

            • CO$CUZ

              Completely agree. Not cop shows, but have you seen ‘Peep Show’? ‘Saxondale’? Two more bloody great and weird ones from across the pond.

            • One Human

              I’ll have to look for those.
              I enjoyed ‘New Tricks’, ‘Waking The Dead’, and ‘White Chapel’.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        What happened with your girlfriend with the <<S?

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        What happened with your girlfriend with the MMS?

        • CO$CUZ

          I’ve reached out to her but haven’t heard back. She was posting about it on Facrbook a lot, plan on digging around in there to see what I can find out. Will let you know whet happens.

  • Party Hull!

    Unrelated, but possibly of interest to Scientology watchers –

    The US Department of Justice has today begun laying down what looks to be an ENORMOUS smackdown on the long-corrupt activities of FIFA, the governing body of world football (soccer, to Americans). It is going to be huge.

    Fraud, bungs, corruption. It’s heartening to see an authority sink its teeth into something so massive. FIFA is surely bigger than Scientology. Whether it’s richer, I don’t know, but a lot of things it is being collared for now are things that, I think, could also be thrown at Scientology. The details are still emerging, so I could end up being off the mark, but to me there are parallels.

    I just think it provides hope that when enough is known, and when the will is there, big things can happen. You never know…

    • ze moo

      FIFA was always too big to fly under the radar. $cientology is still small potatoes compared to that. The very international nature of this case fascinate me.

    • Jimmy3

      Can you imagine the repercussions? If the U.S. National Soccer clubs have to withdraw their FIFA membership, we will never get eliminated from international tournaments ever again. And that… That will be… hey, NFL OTAs started this week!! FOOTBALL IS BACK, BABY

    • Bob Crouch

      And some think football is a religion. DOJ, there’s your CoS angle!

  • joe

    Open heart surgery? A touch assist is good for whatever ails you. Good thing he has full control over matter, energy, space and time otherwise he’d have real problems. Hats off to LRH for saving his life.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Suppressive Cats? Who knew? From BlackRob’s thread. (F5)

    • chukicita

      “they are very theta.”

      Theta cats?

      • aquaclara

        Theta until he finds a home for them. Then they are SP cats. I just hope he stays away from Craigs List.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          I hope the two kitteh’s get to stay together.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        Who knew?! magical thinking – it’s a powerful thang ~

        • Sherbet

          If that’s what BT clusters look like, I don’t want to exorcise mine. Totally adorable.

          • Sherbet

            Jimmy, you upvoted adorable kittens?

            • Jimmy3

              One day I will expose, once and for all, the true nature of the cats’ evil mission here on Earth. And you will all gasp in horror. And you will apologize for being wrong all this time. Some of you may even beg me to help you find salvation from the Wrath of the Kitten.

              …But until then… They’re really fricken cute, right? I’d be a monster myself if I did not upvote them.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              (F5)

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        *shrugs* I don’t get it either. If they’re “theta” why does he have to get rid of them? Entheta Cats maybe? 😀

      • Peggy oh!

        Oh I loved that show!

        Refresh

    • aquaclara

      Really, a Scientology is disconnecting from his cats. Unfathomable.
      But I love that the girlfriend has left. Another SP has joined the ranks. Hoorah!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I am still laughing at this. The cats are “a link” to his SP ex-girlfriend??? WTF? LOL

        The woo is strong with this one. 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      This is a prank, right?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        (F5) 😀

    • LHS

      Is this at all related to the “cat people” that LRH lectured about?

      http://www.skeptictank.org/gen2/gen00081.htm

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        No, I think this is just a blind fool who is so drunk on the kool-aid he thinks a couple of cats are SP’s.

        Or is it SC’s – Suppressive Cats 🙂

    • Scream Nevermore

      Poor cats. They deserve a better owner than this arsehole. You don’t just hand cats over to total strangers. I hope the girlfriend comes back and rescues them!

    • Juicer77

      WILLING TO EXCHANGE?!? I’ll exchange all over your stupid @ss face, you… (breathing heavily, trying to calm down)
      I hope to God these sweet kitties get a real home soon with someone who loves them.

  • Sid

    Lori Hodgson again on the radio. A rock star in my book.

  • Sherbet

    BTW, I prefer to call Tony’s book’s format “soft cover” rather than “paperback.” The word “paperback” connotes cheapie books — maybe something like, oh, I don’t know… some sci fi novel populated by space cooties and evil galactic overlords.

  • Viktoria

    OT: It seems like RMycroft was right regarding the Swedish Authorities. Terrified of litigation and, IMHO, have no spine what so ever. They classified the 600 pages containing Scientology scripture that an anonymous source provided them with yesterday morning. This after they released it to a newspaper, saying that they did not realise what was in the documents. Here I was thinking that finally they showed a little backbone. On a positive note though, the source claims he did it because he was repulsed by the going clear movie and wanted the authorities to know what is going on within this organisation, and apparently, according to the newspaper that interviewed him, many Swedes is now more aware and in disgust of the organisation just by watching the movie. So disappointed though…

  • Bob Crouch

    What a deal! Narconon takes people for approx. $30-35,000 to deliver a “service” that is widely considered to be total and ineffective quackery. Yet for a mere $10k, you can get rid of all those druggie BT thingies. A lot cheaper than getting your stoner kid off your basement couch and into a “rehab” destined to fail.

    • Sid

      Except that the Purification Rundown (which is the church equivalent of Narconon’s program) is a pre-requisite for OT IV. Don’t try to get out of it. You’re going to spend it anyway. Just give the church all your money now.

      • Bob Crouch

        Sigh! The only loopholes are for the cherch, should an infidel dare ask for their money back. The rest of the suckers pay up one way or another. The house always wins!

        • Sid

          True. And you can’t even bet with the house. House just takes all.

        • Mymy88

          “infidel”

          LOL

  • Not even Scientology can explain Han-Nutty.

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche

    From 2 years ago, Howdy:

    OT IV: OT Drug Rundown

    OT IV; the Operating Thetan drug rundown. New OT IV gets rid of the
    effects of taking drugs in past lifetimes for a few thousand dollars.
    You should really see this land in FLA; it is near Clearwater…

    “Mocking-up and unmocking implants from Clearing Course in order to
    prevent future implanting plus the handling and rehabilitation of past
    auditing. Product was supposed to be an OT Exterior. Replaced by New OT

    IV: handles the effects of drugs, medicine, and alcohol by addressing
    BTs stuck to/in drugs, medicine, and alcohol incidents. Audited by Class
    VIII auditors at Advanced Organizations and higher.” – Jonathon
    Barbera.

    “This level handles the hidden problems and stops in a being’s
    universe caused by the effects of drugs and poisons on the whole track.
    This is the final polish that rids one of any last vestige of the
    effects of drugs on the spirit. Ministered at Advanced Organizations or
    Flag. Approximately 12 1/2 to 25 hours.”

    The Clear audits his or her body thetans for drug-related problems.

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche
    • aquaclara

      This was funny. I miss Espi.

    • Lucille Austero

      What a great Espi post. Espi, if you’re lurking, you could always come back. Just sayin’

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “The Dark Lord Chuckles”

      Hehehehehe!!

      • ze moo

        Is the Dark Lord named Chuckles?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I am assuming that is what Espi meant, but I can’t speak for him. Either way, it was funny. 🙂

  • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

    John Coale is why I don’t want Martin O’Malley as the Democratic nominee for president.

    • CK

      I miss the ol’ CNW. Freaking Union Pacific.

    • Sherbet

      Sarah Palin is why I didn’t want Sarah Palin to be our Republican Vice President.

    • Bob Crouch

      He also is a friend of Hillary’s as the Post reports.

    • Sid

      I’m betting he announces by the end of the weekend.

    • scottmercer

      Don’t worry about that happening.

      • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

        If Hillary implodes for some reason, O’Malley & his $cientology friends will be waiting in the wings.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    Oh! This article is funny!

    • Jimmy3

      How do you really feel?

      • aegerprimo

        Don’t get him started Jimmy3.

        • Anonymous

          No kidding.

          There is not enough space on the web for the length of the potential reply.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hello, Vinay. Looking good.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Hi Vinnay, nice to see you here.

      • Vinay Agarwala

        Hi Dee, how are you?

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Doing better and better. Finally free from any fears I had. Look forward to saying hello on Sunday the 28th.

          • Vinay Agarwala

            Great! I am currently volunteering at Metropolitan Ministries of Tampa in helping them salvage school dropouts so that they can get their GED Certs. I am also working on an idea of Self-Learning Clinics where school dropouts can be quickly remedied, so they become self-learners.

  • Anonymous

    Fortunately…the new US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, held a press conference yesterday to announce that the agency is going to prosecute the horrible villains over at FIFA.

    FIFA describes itself on its website as:

    “The Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) is an association governed by Swiss law founded in 1904 and based in Zurich. It has 209 member associations and its goal, enshrined in its Statutes, is the constant improvement of football.”

    It is a good thing that organizations like Scientology apparently have nothing to fear from the US Justice Department as instead that agency has devoted their resource to ensure that no one playing soccer ever kicks an illegal goal.

    Lol.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/sports/soccer/fifa-officials-arrested-on-corruption-charges-blatter-isnt-among-them.html?_r=0

    • Drat

      I think they’re just prosecuting for the money. If this has been going on for 24 years, why now?

      Scn, on the other hand, barely has relevant (to a government) funds.

      • Anonymous

        Justice Department prosecutions are more likely to be politically driven (or at least have a political element) that those by almost any other agency.

        One could (if they were so inclined) come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories on this…not the least of which has been the reluctance of Swiss government / banking officials to fully comply with the wishes of the IRS (and other Executive branch agencies) for the Swiss authorities to cave into ALL of the demands to violate sovereign Swiss banking secrecy laws so that suspected US tax cheats can be more easily caught.

        But that would be speculating…wouldn’t it?

        • Scream Nevermore

          Most of us footie fans don’t care why they’ve gone after them, we’re just happy they have. But we’d have been even happier to see Blatter dragged out of his hotel room in handcuffs.

        • Drat

          I agree that speculation is pointless. I just don’t believe their official reasons anymore than I believe David Miscavige.

          When the Vatican calls the Irish referendum a disaster for humanity, what they are really lamenting is a loss of Vatican influence. If nothing else, leaving scientology teaches you to call a spade a spade.

    • flyonthewall

      The Justice Dept’s super computers have calculated that there is only a 7% chance that action taken against FIFA will result in crippling litigation, 2% chance of Justice Dept employees’ pets mysteriously dying and a 32% chance that FIFA personnel will mail dildo’s and DA packs to the homes of Justice Dept personnel. They like those odds and are going to run with it.

      • Anonymous

        And who can blame them.

        • flyonthewall

          oh you know there will be some grouchy puss out there who just loves to complain about everything. McDonald’s made my coffee too hot, why are there car commercials before previews at the movies?, the Justice Dept will prosecute a soccer association but won’t prosecute an abusive totalitarian mafia cult, blah blah blah. Some people, geez

          • Anonymous

            Just so you know, in the McDonald’s case you reference, the plaintiff (Stella Liebeck) tried to settle for $20,000, which is fairly reasonable given that the 79 year old woman spent quite a bit time in the hospital from the 3rd degree burns she received from the coffee. The burns were so severe that she had to have multiple skin grafts and she actually could have died from the injuries.

            Like much “information” floating around, the urban myths about the McDonalds coffee lawsuit are radically different from the court established facts.

            The link below describes what really happened…and provides some of the fairly grisly evidence about the injuries the victim sustained.

            Tort attorneys receive a lot of bad press…and some of it is deserved.

            But without them, all sorts of terrible crap would occur (then reoccur often) and there would be almost nothing that could be done to seek redress.

            Check out the reality of the suit…it is quite illuminating:

            https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

            • Graham

              Thanks for the link. Very interesting, how the facts get distorted.

    • lmnop

      Now if DOJ would start focusing on banksters…

      • Anonymous

        Note my comments down thread.

        By focusing prosecutions on “banksters” that are non-US citizens, no toes will be stepped upon among potential (legal) political donation providers in the next Presidential election cycle…unless of course the donations were going to be in the form of ginormous foreign entity “speaker’s fees” for a certain ex-President and his candidate wife.

        Lol.

  • Robert Hammond

    Somewhat O/T. Actor Jesse Plemons, who played Val Dodd (the cult leader’s son) in The Master, will join Tom Cruise in the film, Mena, about CIA drug-runner Barry Seal. Plemons also had a key role in Breaking Bad. Wonder if they’ll have any “glib” moments talking about The Master or drugs. See: http://variety.com/2015/film/news/jesse-plemons-mena-cast-tom-cruise-1201506534/

    • One Human

      IIRC, Cruise actually gave his blessing for ‘The Master’, but I’ll still hope for some curiosity on Plemons’ part.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Whales like Greta Van S. and John P. Coale exasperate and frustrate me.
    In passing, Mr. Coale has something oleaginous to him that reminds me of Earl Cooley.
    Their willful blindness to what they support is criminal.

    From his personal web-site, www dot woos-on-first dot guv :
    John P. Coale was named a life member in the National Registry of Woo’s Woo and was listed in Woo’s Woo in Executives and Professionals.
    There is no truth to the rumour that his 1940s era 80′ Trumpy motor yacht, the S.S. Sophie, is being re-Xenued “The Ship of Fools.”

  • Tony Ortega

    Just a note about something that’s going around. It was a fine piece which appeared at the Harvard Political Review about Going Clear, and we were pleased to see that it contained a couple of links here to the Underground Bunker. That’s cool and all, but what’s with the “Harvard now agrees with Alex Gibney” nonsense I’m seeing? This was a nice piece written by an undergraduate in a quarterly campus magazine. That’s pretty far from “Harvard University” taking a position on anything.

    • jazzlover

      You’re right, and I understand your point Tony. However, wouldn’t it be a great thing for an influential university like this to take a stand behind what it publishes? Would that necessarily be a bad thing for it to do? Or is this more of that “political correctness” I keep hearing about? 😉 Flipping things around for a second, why does every institution fail to realize that an implied stand against one group might actually make them more attractive/appealing to other larger, saner sectors of the general population? The madness has to stop somewhere. I realize that this is a discussion that could go on and on forever, but still, I thought it merited a mention.

      • Eileen

        Universities are about freedom of expression, whether an undergrad or a prof. Publications reflect the view of the writer not the institution.

        • jazzlover

          I completely understand that. However, the insignia that accompanies such expression has to mean something, however small. Otherwise, why bother reading it? They have to be aware of the fact that the association is exactly the reason why certain people do read it, no? On a deeper level, when exactly do we realize that “same old, same old” isn’t exactly working, and that sometimes basic principles need to be altered.

      • stillgrace2

        I think the point is that a fine piece written by an undergraduate for a campus magazine does not necessarily represent the views of the Harvard dean and/or board of trustees.

        • jazzlover

          I am not implying that we should pretend or falsely argue that Harvard has aligned itself with the views expressed in the article. What I am asking directly is: Why not? It’s a complicated question, but we should no longer avoid asking it. I would argue that the overall environment of apathy is perhaps part of the reason why cults feel they can exist to begin with. Less apathy = smaller brass balls, plain and simple.

    • Science Doc

      Absolutely right. Universities should speak with a great many voices and the best of them still do. But that is fundamentally different than attributing such speach to the institution itself. On the other hand we didn’t see that come out of a publication affiliated with UC Santa Barbara where Bob Duggan is on the Board, or any of the universities in LA who want pieces of Skye Dayton, Nancy Cartright, or certain other whales. Some universities would have made sure that never saw the light of day.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I didn’t think that when I posted the link. I thought that it was interesting to see the take of a mover and shaker of the future.

      • Tony Ortega

        I was referring to Complex magazine and others now saying that “Harvard” is weighing in on Scientology. Harvard isn’t, an undergraduate at one of its magazines is. Big difference.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I see 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Very true – but I never underestimate the power of the name Harvard, may as well take advantage of it…

  • I had a little bit on this story when it first appeared… though my headline was a touch different [FTR I tweeted it to Murdoch at the time]

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    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/who-knew-greta-van-susterens-husband-dc.html

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      FFS

      ETA – This is a great find but how did he swing that? Did anyone read his book before agreeing to have him on the show? Was he opening for a JFK conspiracy theory nut guest? SMH

    • noseinabk

      Vannier states that the disconnection policy did not exist when he got started in 1973 and was started by Miscavige.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Merrell Vannier saved his brothers life via tough assist, presumably?Jeebus.

    • Tony Ortega

      Dumb news guy is asking about the stuff in Truth Rundown, not Merrell’s book.

      • Ardent

        Incredible. “Bluebird” and “MK ULTRA” were, as far as I knew, investigations into UFO activity, and had nothing to do with Ron’s “Investigations”. Now, maybe I’m wrong, but even so, this guy obviously still thinks Ron was some sort of hero. Gak.

        • Robert Hammond

          Bluebird and MK Ultra had to do with CIA mind control. But they didn’t need to learn anything from L Ron Hubbard. The UFO things were Project Blue Book and Project Blue Beam. Totally different.

          This Vannier character sounds deluded and still promoting the kind of “tech” that was used on Lisa McPherson.

          • Ardent

            Oh, man, you are completely correct! I muddled them up. General apologies, and thanks to you, Robert for tidying up my mess! Cheers.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Got nothing from listening to this interview. The only difference about disconnection back in the 70’s was, I think, one was supposed to handle family members before any disconnecting since that was last resort. Meaning trying to work it out first, which was fairly workable back then, and no problem.

    • Interested

      Yuck…. The lies….. The stupidity. Had to turn it off. Dumb.

  • Unattested Obedient T

    I love what you do Tony and you have helped so many people, so don’t take this as an insult. We know that scientologists are bonded not to tell about the confidential material and that to them it is their religious belief, so why make a big deal of it? Tactics that attack their beliefs just fuel their persecution complex and this makes the bubble even thicker (because they have seen the evil that lurkes outside of it), and thus it becomes harder to reach them. Why not attack Greta for being part of an organization accused of absuse and fraud? Why has she not been confronted about these allegations since scientology obviously has no spokesperson and she is on tv every day and also a member? Why not attack Coale and the candidate he is backing because Coale obviously also has financially backed an organization accused of abuse and fraud? I get that talking about the OT levels shows that their views defy logic, but they still have a right to believe it, and their views don’t show any wrongdoing on their part as long as scn is considered to be a religion and joking about what they consider to be sacred won’t get you any kind of engaging response from any scientologist. I guess it just depends if the objective is to have engaging responses back from scientologists or if it’s to make fun of them and show how absurd their beliefs are, but I don’t think it can be both (despite how fun the latter can be).

    • Sid

      The abuse is part of their beliefs as is written in the sacred texts of Ronald Hubbard. Something like, “destroy utterly” comes to mind.

      • Unattested Obedient T

        Yes but that isn’t even known by 99.9% of scientologists. Attack the OT levels and all scientologists will consider you an instant SP and you’ll fuel the us vs them mentality of the cult. The goal should be to break down the wall by focusing on issues like abuse and fraud that scientologists don’t even know about.

        • Beth

          IMHO, goal #1 is to protect the public from brainwashing and fraud and thus the indoctrination of any new members . It’s very revealing that scientology apologists think the OT levels are being attacked when they are merely being described accurately. The material sounds ridiculous to the un-indoctrinated because while intuition and critical thinking function are still active, the “real life” tale of a galactic overlord 75 million years ago is laughable. Better to have the public know while they have their wits about them.

          • Lucille Austero

            Beth, I love your comment! I think that protecting the public is what many of us never-ins are trying to do every day.

          • FollowTheMoney

            This is a terrific point. Unattested’s main goal, which is AOK, appears to be helping scientologists to wake up and is suggesting a softly softly approach re the tech as the best route for this and I agree.

            The goal of protecting the public is best achieved by exposure of the lot – the bad behavior and the tech. Ridicule is a classic and effective way of deflating pompous over-exaggerated claims of success and as such is a legitimate tool for critics to use, IMHO.

            • Beth

              “The goal of protecting the public is best achieved by exposure of the lot – the bad behavior and the tech. ” Agreed FTM. I think exposure is the antidote for the whole mess – including helping scientologists to wake up.

        • 0tessa

          The OT levels should in my opinion not left out of critical examination (that is not necessarily the same as ‘attacking’ it), because of their possible harmful effects. Instances of harm done to people as result of these OT levels should be continued to be exposed. The public must be warned.
          Abuse and fraud are part and parcel of the Scientology doctrine. The nature of the OT levels necessitates this doctrine (a.o. ethics, confessionals over and over again).
          People speaking out publicly about the OT levels will eventually mean the end of these potential harmful processes. And Scientology is well aware of that.
          But of course everybody is free to believe in ‘body thetans with a drug history’ and that these can be whispered away, drug free. But we have the right and the duty to inform people of the possible harm and the financial scam behind it.

          • Unattested Obedient T

            I agree and when I say attack I am referring to the way scientologists view it. My point was only in regards to reaching out to scientologists and hoping for a reply.

            • FollowTheMoney

              I see where you’re coming from. In a personal interaction with a scientologist I would definitely follow the route you’re suggesting.

        • daytoncapri

          On the balance, severity is much, much more fun!
          Especially if those of us who mostly here for the lols?

          THE WIND
          and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger. Suddenly they saw a
          traveller coming down the road, and the Sun said: “I see a way to decide
          our dispute. Whichever of us can cause that traveller to take off his
          cloak shall be regarded as the stronger You begin.” So the Sun retired
          behind a cloud, and the Wind began to blow as hard as it could upon the
          traveller. But the harder he blew the more closely did the traveller
          wrap his cloak round him, till at last the Wind had to give up in
          despair. Then the Sun came out and shone in all his glory upon the
          traveller, who soon found it too hot to walk with his cloak on.
          “KINDNESS EFFECTS MORE THAN SEVERITY.”
          1

    • sugarplumfairy

      Why attack at all? All Tony has to do is tell the truth.. And he does that beautifully.. And the truth is, Coale and Van Susteren should both be ashamed of themselves for furthering in any way the abusive policies of the coF$..

      • Unattested Obedient T

        But they don’t even know the abusive policies. You’re kinda missing the point. And I never meant to say Tony was wrong

        • sugarplumfairy

          I got you.. I read your comment.. And I’m pretty sure I understood it.. But I’m still saying shame on Coale and VanSusteren for NOT knowing.. And what better work could Tony do than keep exposing the secrets of scientology so the clueless whales no longer have plausible deniability..

          I hope everyone keeps exposing and laughing at the OT levels.. I hope they become common knowledge and common fodder for every comedian everywhere.. Because they are fcking funny.. And the fact that a whale will pay upwards of 300 grand for them is the stupidest thing I ever heard.. Actually, the fact that Coale downplays his ties with scientology kinda says maybe he does know how stupid it is..

        • Lucille Austero

          Why don’t they know about the abusive policies? Willful ignorance is bliss. Not knowing about the abuse perpetrated by their own church, widely publicized and easily researched on your lunchbreak, is not okay.

        • FollowTheMoney

          I understand that you’re suggesting engagement strategies designed to assist those in to wake up. I don’t believe you’re criticising Tony, merely opening up debate.

          Regarding your policy comment… Every scientologist is aware of the disconnection policy which is hugely abusive. I’m assuming this means they also all know about the SP handling policy – crush, kill, destroy and all that – an incredibly shocking policy for an organisation supposedly devoted to spiritual enlightenment.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I think that they absolutely know about the abusive policies. For goodness sake she is in TV and he in politics, don’t you think they have heard about Going Clear?

          • Unattested Obedient T

            Im sure they have heard “some suppressive rumors” going clear, but if they are true scientologists then they believe what freedom mag shows them.

    • flyonthewall

      They cannot have it both ways. Scientologists tell each other and potential recruits that what they are doing is an exact science. When outsiders learn that their “exact science” consists of self-exorcising ghosts, some of whom are junkies, and call bullshit on it, the Scientologists want to put up their religion shield to deflect criticism and scrutiny. That’s bullshit.

      • Unattested Obedient T

        I agree wholeheartedly that it’s bullshit. My point had to do with objective. I believe that that argument will just wind up in a religious debate, void of any scientologists (because anyone debating their beliefs are instantly suppressive), while not focusing primarily on abuse and fraud.

        • flyonthewall

          You know what they say when you talk about abuse and fraud? I never saw that. I don’t have the data on that. They are willfully ignorant, end of story and are therefore enablers of said abuse and fraud.

        • ze moo

          Debating ‘religion’ is useless. Debate actions, snow white, coerced abortions, the Hole, disconnection….

        • Phil McKraken

          I don’t know about religious debate as relates to Scientology. All I’ve ever heard is either, “don’t talk about my secret religious beliefs, that’s bigoted,” a la Tommy Davis, or “the tech works for me” in some form, and it’s always vague. First, there’s no sense in respecting the supposedly confidentiality of the beliefs, because that’s part of the deceptive nature of the whole setup. And then, the alleged benefits of adhering to the “tech” should totally be examined and questioned, since people are paying good money and precious time for those things.

          Yes, plenty of people are turned off by having their deeply held beliefs (religious or otherwise) attacked, questioned, examined for logical consistency, etc, but that’s just the way it’s going to be. Those doing the questioning should just forge ahead.

          Also, it’s really hard to separate Scientology “religious” beliefs from all that is unquestionably rotten and corrosive about the church and its founder. The vaunted KSW is a fascist manifesto.

          • Unattested Obedient T

            I agree. My point was only in the way we conduct ourselves when trying to elicit a response from scientologists. They will not get into anything regarding their beliefs, especially when it’s the OT levels and they have been entrusted to safeguard this “tech” under bond. It’s has however been shown though that they will listen and reply more often when the subject is about abuse, fraud (library campaign), etc.

            • Phil McKraken

              Yes, I can see that at least some, or maybe most, won’t get into their beliefs. But I like the idea that they become aware that tenets of L Ron Hubbard are nonetheless not sacrosanct to the rest of us, and are ripe for discussion in the marketplace of ideas, because so many of them are so odious and damaging. Even if a Scientologist drops out of a conversation because what they consider their religious beliefs has become a topic, they at least are alerted to the fact that people are aware of whatever it is they are ashamed of, embarrassed by or just plain frightened to hear about outside the tightly controlled context it was meant to be consumed in, and it is the talk of the town. Let them at least know that their secret beliefs are not secret. It’s a start.

            • Phil McKraken

              Please don’t take the above to mean that I think that a person should be forced, by social pressure, to discuss their beliefs. I don’t. But I am not gong to be restrained from talking to anyone I feel like about what I know about work product of L. Ron Hubbard and the what the Church of Scientology teaches its adherents.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Welcome, Unattested. It must be ever so difficult to keep an ironic smile out of your writing when you’ve been covering the subject for 20 years. For the most part Tony sticks to the facts but occasionally he lets himself have a wry smile.

      Equally, we would be buying into Scientology’s whole ‘sacred secrecy’ thing if we didn’t question it, don’t you think? Tony frequently replies, when asked, that what makes Scientology different to other religions is their secrecy; the fact that only cold hard cash opens up the higher levels to adherents. Any other religion will tell you its tenets from the word go.

      We like to shine lights into shady corners here at the Bunker.

      • Unattested Obedient T

        Thanks for the welcome. Yeah if I were Tony I would have to make fun of this shit often because I’d be up to my eyeballs in it’s complete ridiculousness. But my point wasn’t about whether we should question it, of course we should. My point was only about whether we should be making their “religious” beliefs be the focus when addressing them and trying to get a reply that could then lead to more. I’ve been in scientology and can say that I never would have responded back to an attack on my close minded belief system, I would have been completely 100% dismissive of such comments. But as soon as I got factual information about fraud, corruption, inurement, abuse, etc I was out of there. The cult mentality will make an instant enemy out of anyone with an opposing view. Scientology has a huge us vs them mentality and addressing scientologists in a way that degrades their beliefs only makes them more defensive, which then in turn makes it even more difficult for them to see the truth. It’s unfortunate but I’ve seen so much of it.

        • Eileen

          It is refreshing to hear an “unusual” (for here) viewpoint. I applaud your straightforward intelligence in pursuing your opinion.

        • Robert Hammond

          Welcome, Unattested. Good news is that you did get out. Different people hear different things and respond depending on where they are at the time. Obviously, nobody, including you can speak for all Scientologists and say that none of them will look at the ridiculousness of their beliefs.

          Just as many of them won’t ever believe that the organization abuses people or engages in human trafficking and fraud.

          But people are leaving in droves and as they continue waking up, they will look further and often see how the very core of their belief system (BS) was total nonsense. This is a good place for them to find out the whole truth, not just the organizational abuses, but the systemic fallacies of belief.

          Cut down the root, not just the branches. Those who don’t want to hear it won’t hear it. Those who can se will see.

        • FollowTheMoney

          Agreed. Many wise exes like Chris Shelton and Tory Christman and others such as Mark Bunker have made similar points.

          On a personal level, I think that if a belief is absurd then absurdity should be pointed out. If the belief is absurd and harmful then it absolutely must be pointed out. Sciemtology is full of absurd, harmful beliefs all of which require exposure.

          • Unattested Obedient T

            I agree they should be exposed. My point was that it won’t get you anywhere in dealing with a scientologist one on one. And as long as there are even just thousands of close minded people supporting this organization, it will continue to harm people in ways that cannot ever be fully measured.

    • Lucille Austero

      But isn’t that just the thing: $cientologists won’t engage or respond in any logical way. They’ve been corrupted by the scam. They only try to confront and shatter.

      • Unattested Obedient T

        Well if Tony or Rinder or someone could get onto Greta’s show then she’d have no choice. I don’t think that’s more than a pipe dream of mine though. But if the candidate that Coale is backing had to answer to getting financing from a source that also backed alleged abuse and fraud then that could be interesting. Or how Greta can be on a “fair and balanced” channel when she wont let people on with criminal allegations agaisnt her religion.

        • Eileen

          I think you are missing the viewpoint underlying most of the comments here. Once in awhile a commenter will try to encourage UTR to leave and point out resources available. But for the most part this site comments on Scientology, including ridicule of some of the most overt silliness.
          People are committed to pointing out abuses, especially as regards children and vulnerable people.
          But little energy is directed toward getting a scientologist out, since it is mostly a waste of time.
          We are observers and commenters, not rescue missionaries. The tone here generally reflects that viewpoint.

          • daytoncapri

            Rescue attempts or intentions do not deserve ridicule.. The population on this earth is complex, what doesn’t seem to work for one, may well work for another. Your last sentence seem to define who we are as a group, but I don’t see that. There’s lots of diverse thinking on this site.

        • FollowTheMoney

          I agree with you. I’m shocked at how few questions are asked of high profile scientologists when credible information about the bad behaviour of the cult is so readily available.

        • Robert Hammond

          It would be interesting just to see Greta and Megan Kelly have a discussion about Going Clear. Megan had a 3 part series with Mike Rinder a couple of months ago, so I can imagine that raised a few BT clusters under Greta’s bonnet.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Yes, Megan Kelly’s show with Mike Rinder was great!

          • Unattested Obedient T

            I would love to see that too. I wonder if Kelly knows that her coworker is a scientologist. And what I really don’t get is how Greta can even work for FNC since they are now suppressive for allowing Rinder on their airwaves.

    • Tony Ortega

      I was talking the other day with a major Scientology celebrity, still thought to be in, who was telling me they read this site every single day, without fail.

      Yes, some people, like Unattested, tell me that when I talk about the tech, it offends those still in, or I can’t reach the people who need to be reached.

      But then, when I talk to the many, many under-the-radars I can never tell you guys about, every single one of them tells me they read this site religiously, and so do many of the people they know who are still in and on the fence.

      Sorry, I’m just not going to throttle back on looking at Hubbard and the tech to save the feelings of a few indies who hate this website. They can go to Milestone 2 as their safe space.

      Trigger warning: Hubbard!

      • Unattested Obedient T

        Haha I loved that Tony thanks. I don’t want to say too much here about myself because I’m in one of the groups you mentioned. I’m on this site every day too and I can’t tell you how much I’ve gotten out of what you do. I couldn’t care less if you offend indies or anyone else who reads your blog. I can see that the blog describing your attempts to reach Greta/Coale will get more readership that the attempts themselves so maybe it’s all for the best. I would just love to see some of the people you reach out to actually get back to you (like Duggan, etc), but I know they won’t when they feel their “religion” is being attacked.

        • Lucille Austero

          If your “religion” is a greedy abusive scam cult, then people are going to attack it. Some of us will attack it until it’s dead. Our hobby, if you will.

      • Sibs

        I think having that discussion is important because to the people who listen, it directly affects what they are going through and how they feel when they are auditing, and for the first time it helps them compare their experiences to someone else (something they can’t usually do because Hubbard outlawed verbal tech). That and it’s vitally important for us never-ins to consider what the actual processes are so that we can talk about what they promise versus what we actually see happening to people.

        What you said makes sense. I hope what I said makes sense too, I’m really too hungry to tell.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, UOT. Glad you are here commenting. I actually really enjoy it when a real Scientologist comes on to engage in dialogue. Extremely rare, but satisfying. Usually all we get are the OSAbots who do a drive-by and don’t bother to read our answers. Many of us are willing to engage respectfully when the occasion arises.

      • Unattested Obedient T

        Glad that you enjoy it. I’m here every day but I rarely have time to comment. I’m no longer a scientologists though. I’m sure that anyone from OSA is unable to say more than a couple things at most before they have no idea how to respond because their dead agent pack and What is Scientology FAQ only gave them so much ammo, and since they no longer have canned answers, they leave due to the extreme cognitive dissonance that must be rectified at once by retreating to the confines of the bubble, where their tight circle of agreement in the “tech” allows them to bask in that unquestioned, unwavering “reality”

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          How do you ever get Hubbard out of your head?
          Were you in long?
          Unattested OT… I like this screen name.

          • daytoncapri

            These are good questions.

        • Juicer77

          You’re probably right.
          I have no inside info as to how efficient the sec checking and KR’ing is these days. It’s possible many public are just not reporting behavior that may encounter entheta. Avoid the whole messy punishment circle.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Welcome, Unattested! The problem isn’t the beliefs, it’s the actions. One of the serious scams is that people are forced to pay big bucks over and over to exorcise their body thetans. I think another commenter pointed out that John Coale was on OT VII back in 1991, and still is there 24 years later. He is still paying the big bucks.

      Scientology uses the belief in body thetans to get more and more money from its members. But the whole Xenu story and exorcism track is exclusively reserved for people who have paid to learn about it on OT III. Tony has said that one concern he has is that there is a bait and switch – people are told to get in to improve communication, but once in they are asked for more and more $$ as they move onward. He has said that if they were told about the beliefs up front (the Xenu story etc), that it would be really hard to get people to join.

      And he pointed out below that he knows a lot of celebrities and other regular readers who are still in and read this blog. So for them these beliefs and his comments might be news. Different people respond to different things, and someone on the fence with doubts may see confirmation when they hear the doubts of others.

      • Unattested Obedient T

        I agree

    • daytoncapri

      Upvoted as a welcome. I do you see your point, and I genrally refrain from J&D (joking and degrading). as it does not suit me personally. An old friend is mine is still-in, and I was at a loss of what to say to him when I sat across from him at a HS reunion.

  • Miss Tia

    John P Coale can’t either handle haiku or the truth (or both) cuz he blocked me on twitter. Awwww poor wittle baby. Confront and shatter FAIL!!! I was already smiling cuz I can hear the toads outside trilling but this further gave me cause for smiling! 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Well congratulations for confronting and shattering him so quickly.

      • Miss Tia

        I probably could have just said BOO!! Or….”excuse me sir, I believe you’ve dropped a body thetan cluster, could you please clean up this mess?” 😉 well done on tweeting them this article!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I’m always slipping in those ungovernable BT cluster puddles. It’s extraordinarily exasperating.

          • Miss Tia

            They really should have warning signs! CAUTION: Falling BTs Who do you sue? The person or the BT? Hmmmm…..

  • Unattested Obedient T

    Care to elaborate?

    • scottmercer

      We don’t attack the OT levels. We attack their criminal, immoral, unethical and totalitarian actions. Making fun of the whole Xenu story (which even Hubbard didn’t really think too much of, if you listen to the recording of him explaining it, you can tell he’s just riffing) is just a fun sidelight, something even Mormons can read and go “wow, what a farcical, made up tale.”

      • Unattested Obedient T

        Yeah but unfortunately scientologists can’t, trust me

    • nah, I think I pretty much nailed it

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    F5… Cat Horns enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15588511652/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Sherbet

      Dear Diary:

      Today I complained again to CL about Boston’s overspamming, and I’m feeling good about it.

      ML,
      Sherbet

      • Pierrot

        Cross fingers! :-))

  • Lucille Austero

    From Pete Griffiths at SP’s R Us: the collective noun for $cientologists is a “dwindle.” Reasons are obvi. In a sentence: I used to see loads of $cientologists milling about outside the Ideal Morg, but now I only see a dwindle every now and then.

    • Observer

      Perfect!

    • Ruby

      That’s funny!

    • Robert Hammond

      Kind of like a murder of crows, a mischief of mice, or a bed of clams.

  • RK

    John Coale is interesting. He seems to view politics as a hobby and supports candidates in a way that gives him the most access – the most enjoyment and access to the inner circle of the campaign and all that comes with it. I can see why he isn’t supporting Hilary this time around – not enough room for him to be a big fish in the room with her huge national campaign. I wonder what he really thinks of David Miscavige – or does DM give him the access he seems to thrive on to a different group of people that he doesn’t get anywhere else. I also wonder why, as a lawyer, he supports an organization that is so involved in criminal and immoral activities. He has to know that this stuff is going on – he just has to look at all of the slave labor at FLAG.

  • whingeybingey

    PAC is a Scientology abbreviation also for the Pacific Area Complex or something at Big Blue in LA.

  • John Coale has been on Solo OT VII for several years. Inside, it is known as as being “on the level.”
    OT VII or Solo NOTS is self-exorcism without an auditor, however you must report to Flag every 6 months for Sec Checks (Interogation questions.) 74 questions must get a floating needle with 3 swings back and forth. It is expensive at $8500 for 12.5 hours. Some people are on the level for years and years and years at an average cost of $40,000 a year.
    It is reported that 2000 people thereabouts are on the level.
    John Coale was on the level for several years.
    I even ran into him in a corridor at the Sand Castle in 1991 and he was “on the level” then.
    Many of these questions are for Intelligence reasons more than *spirituality*
    Sample questions:
    1)Have you been on the Internet and read any Black PR on Scientology ?
    (repeatedly cleaned up to 3 swings of the needle floating.

    2) Do you KNOW of anyone who is reading the Internet and the blogs (This is milked for Who, What, When, Where, What are the reading, What are they saying, Who else have they told this too)

    3) Have you had any critical or unkind thoughts about David Miscavige ?

    4) Have you had any critical or unkind thoughts about Management

    74 questions at $8500 for 12.5 hours, it can often take $20,000 to get through this procedure to be *allowed* to continue, or, you can be routed to *Ethics* for penalties and punishments.

    • Anonymous
      • Thank you Anonymous.
        I have no reason to believe John Coale has withdrawn from Scientology.
        Anyone can be ordered to do the PTS/SP course for any reason.
        I recall while working at OSA INT in 1984 the distaste felt for John Coale for being an “ambulance chaser.”
        These are lawyers that pursue a “hot” inc involving deep pockets and big $$$$.
        The Dow Chemical company is the 2nd largest chemical company in the world.
        It has a subsidiary called Union Carbide.
        Some satellite branch of Union Carbide in Bhopal, India had a massive gas explosion.
        8000 died within weeks, and another 8000 died subsequently. Almost 40,000 were very injured but 3900 severely injured many blinded for life.
        John Coale rushed there to India as an Ambulance Chaser to go after the big bucks the Dow Company could settle for.
        John Coale has never had one iota of interest in India or Indian events before or since, but if you Google “John P Coale ambulance chaser” there is more ……nickname Bhopal Coale

        • Leigh Andrews

          Dow bought Union Carbide after Bhopal.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for this. Some thing are seemingly obvious and shouldn’t need to be mentioned…but apparently that is not always the case.

            I do wish that folks would become better informed about issues before offering strongly worded opinions.

        • Anonymous

          Karen,

          I do understand that anyone can be ordered to do the PTS/SP course.

          What is odd about the information on the referenced site is that it is the LAST thing listed for John and he completed the course in 2006.

          As for the Bhopal disaster, believe me I’m more than familiar with he facts of the case. Further, Dow Chemical was in no way whatsoever involved with the incident…they purchased Union Carbide decades later and absorbed whatever residual liabilities that came from that ownership of the company’s assets.

          John Coale stepped up to find some justice for the victims of the Bhopal disaster. That is not ambulance chasing…it is a necessary part of seeking recompense for people that are harmed by the negligence or malevolence of others.

          Tort law is at the heart of almost ALL the litigation against Scientology and Ted Babbitt is primarily a torts law lawyer.

    • Sibs

      Makes sense. Once they get their easy cash cows, it’s even more important to the cult that they are closely monitored and prevented from leaving. “Bridge to Freedom”? Meh.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    It behooves (wonderful word when speaking of El Wretch) us all to read a little scripture:

    “For hundreds of years physical scientists have been seeking to apply the exact knowledge they had gained of the physical universe to Man and his problems.
    Newton, Sir James Jeans, Einstein, have all sought to find the exact laws of human behavior in order to help Mankind.
    Developed by L. Ron Hubbard, C.E., Ph.D., a nuclear physicist, Scientology has demonstrably achieved this long-sought goal. Doctor Hubbard, educated in advanced physics and higher mathematics and also a student of Sigmund Freud and others, began his present researches thirty years ago at George Washington University.”

    Hubbard, HCO Information Letter of 14 April 1961. Reprinted in the Organization Executive Course volume 6.

    In the light of the “scientific teachings” of OT III and OT IV, one might query “the exact laws of human behavior” discovered by Lord Hubris, Turd of Tilden.

    The second paragraph quoted has a period. That may be the only honest part.
    I’ll add only the following, taken from the comments section on Mike Rinder’s blog:

  • flyonthewall

    Don’t forget Lori is on now – http://player.listenlive.co/26801/en/show/9

  • Vaquera

    O/T: Half of the continents of my home are on the moving van with the other half soon to follow. I had to say goodbye to my daughter, my best friend, two hours ago as she drove away and I’ve been a sobbing mess sitting on a bare mattress ever since.

    So, I went searching for something funny to distract the sads and found these two pics from Co$ Durban. They may just do the trick. Caption: The Force was strong with us at the Star Wars Durban Ideal Org Event last Saturday. Thanks to everyone who attended and all of those that donated!

    • Lucille Austero

      I hope you get through your transitions okay!
      PS: for a UFO cult, these $cibots don’t look like they’ve tried very hard with their costumery.

      • Vaquera

        Not enough postulating at the gouging….I mean at the party.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      No one thought to honor Ron by dressing up as Jabba or honor Dave by dressing up as an Ewok? And you call yourselves loyal Scientologists!

      • Vaquera

        Ewok ^^^^^

      • Vaquera

        That portrait of LRH could be mistaken for Darth Sidious, minus the cape of course.

    • Vaquera

      It’s working. Keep ’em coming!

      • beauty for ashes

        You know I’ve been saving this for a special occasion . Its a cosplay convention where people took pics with their real profession on a board. enjoy the irony!

        • Jimmy3

          PLEASE TAKE MY PICTURE DOWN. I DID NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO POST IT.
          DELETE IT ASAP

          • beauty for ashes

            Why? You look hot. Look at those legs in fishnets!

          • Vaquera

            …..ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

        • Vaquera

          Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha…..

        • Vaquera

          It really did the job!

    • Jimmy3

      May the Schwartz be with you, Vaquera.

      • Vaquera

        And also with you, J3. The five mover-guys have been surprisingly sympathetic. I don’t speak spanish, so maybe they were telling be that I have a screw loose. Damn crying BTs from a million years ago.

        • Jimmy3

          Hey, you survived Matt Schaub, right? 😉

          • Vaquera

            There you go! Put a green star upon Thar.

          • Vaquera

            And Rick Perry.

            • MaxSpaceman

              You’re moving x-country ?

            • Vaquera

              Yeppers, 2,000 miles to a state without a Co$ presence. The air will be splendid.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Hey, Texas,

      A song for you – “These are tears from a long time ago”:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_30VEnuGW4

      “I sense a great disturbance in the Farce, Luke”

      As the caterpillar said, on seeing a butterfly overhead ,
      “You’ll never get me up in one of those things.”

      Shedding skins and moulting and growing …
      I love that you said “my daughter, my best friend.”
      You are much loved

      (((((HUGS))))
      xxx
      PA

      • Vaquera

        Thanks, Pan. Wonderful song choice, though my eyes are getting juicy. Caterpillar to butterfly almost exactly describes my new adventure. Keep an eye out for TUML sitings as I drive from one end of the country to another. She’s riding shotgun on my road-trip.

    • lmnop

      Here’s some goat performance art to cheer you up: 🙂
      ” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>https://www.youtube.com/embed/58-atNakMWw” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>

      • Vaquera

        Great. I’m imagining the goats are actually Marty’s airport ambush team.

        • lmnop

          Hopefully not, goats just wanna have fun! 🙂 I’m sure they are never-ins.

        • Juicer77
          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            My daughter and I cry tears of laughter at these goat videos 😛

          • lmnop

            laughing so hard, thank you! 🙂

      • beauty for ashes

        That was actually kind of zen to watch. 🙂

      • Saltarello

        Even better than dogs on trampolines!

    • Observer

      refresh
      .

      • Vaquera

        skeery

        • Observer

          And again
          .

          • Vaquera

            Who should be Princess Leah in the gold bikini? NOT KRUSTY!

            • Observer

              Oh ho ho … shooping …

            • Juicer77

              (runs and hides under the bed)

            • Observer

              I chose this one because she seems to be positively ecstatic about being on the end of a leash held by a cruel, revolting scofflaw of a being, much happier than the other dilettante celebrities. I think she’s done more for her cherch (aside from forking over the dough) than than any other celebrity.

              refresh

            • sugarplumfairy

              Aaaaaggghhhh!

            • Vaquera

              Abso-freaking-perfect!!

            • Jimmy3

              I didn’t have to see that.

              You have ruined Princess Leia for me.

            • Observer

              You’re welcome!

            • Mymy88

              Oh Jesus! My eyes! My eyes!

      • Mockingbird

        Disturbing…and stolen .

    • Juicer77

      Don’t be sad, V. Your daughter can always call and see you anytime. Thank goodness for Skype and OoVoo! (hugs)

      • Vaquera

        Warm fuzzes right back at you. She’s already planning a 4th of July visit. For her, it will be 5 hours of plane/change plane time and then a three hour bus ride. Tomorrow, I will go through the same blubbering emotions when I say goodbye to my son and my dad. Luckily, it’s a beautiful place and visits will be often from both friends and family…. who are willing to make the trek.

    • Peggy oh!

      Dear God, don’t these people know people can see them?

    • lmnop

      Ok, here’s one more to cheer you, I call it Be Kind To Cats…. OR ELSE!: 🙂
      ” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>https://www.youtube.com/embed/o-oVhu2fu20?rel=0” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>

      • Vaquera

        She’s doing OTIV and trying to get rid of drug-swilling body cats.

      • Frodis73

        HA! Serves that bitch right!!

        • lmnop

          Love the dog observing, HA HA!!

        • Mockingbird

          Now you sound like my wife !

      • Ella Raitch

        That could do with a soundtrack

      • Mymy88

        I’ve seen this one! Oh my God! That cat brings a whole new meaning to “Go ahead. Make my day” lol.

    • Sibs

      Not to be really mean, but that guy in the brown cloak looks wrinkly enough to be the Emperor. And he’s holding a red lightsaber, which means his cloak really should be black. $cientology misappropriates pop culture once again!

      • Sibs

        Should read: “Not to be really mean, but I’m going to be really mean.”

      • Vaquera

        Oh, you really meant a red lightsaber.

    • Baby

      oh Texas.. sit on my lap.. Damn.. Been there.. Had to leave all my kids in OHIO.. heart wrenching.. Love you and sorry that you are in pain.. xo

      • Vaquera

        xoxo MWAH

    • Vaquera

      Thank you all for the successful derail distraction this afternoon. The movers are almost done and I’m heading over to one of the many offered guest rooms for the evening. Time for a cocktail.

    • Baby

      OK.. Texas I swear to God if this doesn’t make you laugh out loud you have officially lost it.. Yes it is O/T but OMG my Nephew showed me this and I laugh every time I think of it..

      Check out him laughing too..OMG

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF8GhC-T_Mo

      • Vaquera

        Well, would you look at that!

        • Baby

          Is that Hilarious..bawwwwwwwwwwhahahaha

          Is it a secret where you are going and why? I mean is it personal? Is it for Good or Evil?

          • Vaquera

            The area won’t be a secret, though the actual town will remain anonymous. I’m moving to help my sister take care of my mom, but mainly because my life here has been stagnant the past four years. Too many ghosts. Time to shake things the hell up! So off I go….

            • Missionary Kid

              May your ghosts disappear in your rear view mirror, and the best memories stay with you forever.

            • Vaquera

              Thx MK. That is a lovely way to think of it.

            • Missionary Kid

              I should be fairly good at benedictions. I’ve heard enough of them, especially when I was younger. 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              Have a safe trip.

            • Baby

              Oh Texas.. sigh.. sorry about your Mama..You are a good daughter honey. I only want you happy.

              Life is a series of starting over..Shit I did it at the age of 58 when I left my abusive husband and started a new life with the love of my life.

              and moved to Florida. You have the strength my love. You can do it. Your children will always be in your life no matter how far you move.

              I will be thinking of you and this drastic move you are making.. You can do it.. Yep.. You Can do it.

              You take care of your mama AND yourself.. xoxo love baby

            • Vaquera

              Change. This will be my third round of starting over in 7 years….only this time it’s by choice! Even though yesterday’s move was stressful with a low point of saying goodbye to my girl child, I am really very excited about this new adventure. Thanks for being a cheerleader!

            • Baby

              Ohhh CHOICE.. What a beautiful word…xo

              [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif

            • Vaquera

              You are so great!

            • Baby

              Oh Texas.. It just comes so natural to me.. bawwwwwwwwwwhahahhahahaha

              I am so excited for you.. I didn’t know what was going on with you about your move.. and I was getting so upset..

              Until you explained it to me. You were just being a big baby about your kids.. That is understandable..

              My experience has been so rewarding here without my adult children. And when I miss them I Skype.. It’s not the same, but it holds me off until I can hold them in my arms.

              and our visits are beyond special. My move has actually brought us closer. They see that I am much Happier without

              MY GHOSTS as you put it. Too many bad memories associated with my controlling EX.. I left all that Shit behind.

              And started over.. It is amazing how fast I got my breath again.

              If you are near me at all I will meet you half way and we can have lunch or something..

              I would love to meet you.. love baby

            • Vaquera

              Hi Baby! Sorry for my delayed response. I’ve been on the road since Sunday. I took a sanity stop at the halfway-ish point for a couple of days to visit with my best college friend. Back on the road in a few minutes. Only four more hours on interstate asphalt and I’ll reach my new hometown. Whoopee!!!

              Skype: yes, that’s the way to go. It should be easy peasy with my daughter. My son rolls his eyes at the idea, but I said he has to do it….because I’m Mom and I say so. Bam!

              Do you have an email you would be comfortable sharing with me? Or, since THDNE has my email address, perhaps she would share my email with you. Cheers! 🙂

            • Baby

              I am so excited for you.. I am right there in the car with you honey..

              Babybunker@gmail.com.. xoxoox love me.. I am so happy for you sweetie pie..

              I know you have so much to do.. Just gab with me when you get settled..Love baby

            • Vaquera

              Thx for the hook up, Baby. I’ve reached my destination and am settling in. I’ll shoot you a line in a few. xoxo

      • ElleGee

        I just almost wet myself. Remind me to go potty b4 any more vids you put out Baby! LMAO.

        • Baby

          ElleG… I swear to God.. there is no in between on this video..

          You either GET the humor or you don’t.. I am like you..I just laughed my ass off..bawwwwwwhahhahahahahha

          My hubby was like.. ” Meh? Why does he keep saying that? ” hahhaa

          • ElleGee

            I’m kinda silly when it comes to humor (Airplane) so I thought it was hilarious. My hubby thinks I’m silly but sometimes I catch him laughing at something silly too.

            • Baby

              OMG Airplane..hahahhahahah.. Yes..

              My hubby has a great sense of humor..He laughs at ME all the time..ha

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Poor you. I’m so sorry it has been such a sad day for you. Cuddles coming your way, and one of my favourite pieces of music, Flower Duet from Lakmé in the hopes it will cheer you up. Lots of love.

      https://youtu.be/Vf42IP__ipw?t=1m18s

      • daytoncapri

        Lovely.

        This is the piece that I want to have sung at my funeral, in tribute to my wife who is the love of my life. (We’re both still here, and intend to stay for a long while yet.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5r_fZ98514

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          That is so beautiful! May you and your wonderful-sounding wife live another hundred blissful years then have the most spectacular funerals known to man!

          • daytoncapri

            Oh, you are a sweetheart 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Texas CowGirl I am sorry, that is tough. But I must say that these pix are pretty darned funny!

    • MrsLurksALot

      Good luck with your move, TX!

      • Vaquera

        Thanks. Due to the flooding, it took two long days, but mi Casa is now empty. Leaving Friday for an adventure: 2,000 mile solo cross country drive. You will see Miss Lovely photo updates as I traverse multiple states.

        • MrsLurksALot

          Moving, especially cross country, is stressful. Keeping you in my thoughts, hopeful for an easy-peasy move.

    • order66

      Thanks a hell of a lot, scientology. I guess you bastards saw how The Bearded One spent two decades screwing up Star Wars and said “We can do even MORE damage!”

    • Mockingbird

      Sacrilege ! How dare you taint Star Wars with Hubbard’s insane space opera !

    • Saltarello

      Capiltal-L losers indeed.

  • LeeAnneClark

    “Come to think of it, doesn’t that explain Hannity?”

    BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I can’t breath…………..

    • Jimmy3

      That was a great line… But I think the reason you can’t breathe is because you’re underwater with a scuba mask on.

      • LeeAnneClark

        OMG! Now I REALLY can’t breathe. 😉 Just for the record, the full photo shows that I’m holding my regulator off to the side so I can get a pic without a big ol’ thang in my mouth…but I really did have air there. But definitely an interesting observation!

  • nottrue

    Marty’s blog is infested with Cat Daddy and Oracle videos

    • flyonthewall

      lol

      • flyonthewall

        i will bring Marty some of this for his blog

    • SP Wogsy

      I love the “Shake it off” video he posted. Hilarious.

    • Observer

      Cat Daddy I can deal with. Oracle is just freaking insane. And nasty. A real chip off the old Source blockhead.

      • Jimmy3

        I miss Cat Daddy. Which sock is he posting under here? I haven’t been paying enough attention.

        • Observer

          I don’t think he’s been here, but I have been known to be oblivious at times.

          • SP Wogsy

            If I am not mistaken, he has been posting as God, but God hasn’t been here for some time.

            • “God hasn’t been here for some time”
              Very Nietzschian XD

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Nietzsche hasn’t been here for some time.

              God

            • Whoa, what just happened? Do I have to stop being an atheist now :'(

            • Robert Hammond

              God forbid. 🙂

            • Robert Hammond

              Nietzsche is dead. ~ God

          • Sibs

            Cat Daddy is a troll spirit animal. Wherever or whenever a commenter posts a non sequitur video without any explanation as to what that video is, there Cat Daddy will be.

            • flyonthewall

              Wherever there’s a moderator beatin’ a troll
              Wherever a newborn commenter cries
              Where there’s a fight against the J&D in the air
              Look for him, Mom, Cat Daddy will be there

            • Ella Raitch

              What a lovely thought ;p

            • ElleGee

              A shapeshifting troll. lol

        • flyonthewall

          i think he was here yesterday as tonto

          • Jimmy3

            Really? I thought it was weird that tonto was so into Legos. But I don’t know much about history.

          • stillgrace2

            No, that was flyonthewall … or Jimmy … or maybe mooser. It’s hard to tell.

            • flyonthewall

              it was me, Nat outed me real quick. I have been plotting my revenge ever since

            • stillgrace2

              I’m sticking with my original assessment.

            • flyonthewall

              ? no comprendo. Little help plz

            • Jimmy3

              I touched on this with my psych the other day, and he confirmed that fly and I are not the same person. Turns out he’s an entirely different human being who lives in a city far away from me. I had no idea.

            • stillgrace2

              That’s good to hear. You know I love ya, Jimmy. Just make sure fly pays his half of the rent.

  • Scream Nevermore

    BTW, Tony, when you have time you need to update the Bunker’s blurb, seeing as your book is no longer ‘forthcoming’!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That’s uncanny. I read the same blurb this morning and thought I should mention it 🙂

  • PickAnotherID

    Slightly O/T for todays topic, but the ‘Sweet-T’s’ had their first discussion group on TUML last night, and never got out of the prologue. Most of the discussion focused on SS Sturmbannfuhrer Phillipp Schmitt, and his involvement with Paulette and her sister being able to escape. Everyone got curious about this guy, so a search of the inter-webs was conducted.

    This guy was as nasty and brutal as they came. He was commandant of the Breendonk prison, and for about a year also in charge of the Mechelen transit camp. The later being the important point where Paulette and her sister are concerned. Schmitt liked the good life, and shortly after the escape, he was dismissed from command for blackmarketeering and taking bribes. Apparently his replacement would shoot people out of hand for offering him a bribe. So if it hadn’t happened when it did, Paulette and her sister may never have gotten out.

    Strangely enough, after the war Schmitt was tried in Belgium for war crimes, found guilty, and in 1950 was shot at Fort Breendonk, where he once commanded. He has the dubious distinction of being the last person executed in Belgium before they abolished the death penalty.

    A lot of the discussion revolved around the idea that, without such a loathsome individual and his greed being involved, Paulette and her sister would have been on the train to the concentration camp. Instead of heading to the orphanage.

    God working in mysterious ways? Chance? Karma? Your thoughts?

    • Always Amazed

      Truth is stranger than fiction.

      • ElleGee

        That’s why History is Fun (so are Physics). 🙂

    • Satansthetan

      Xenu spared them because he knew Paulette from another galaxy and that she was to become an enemy of his enemy.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Meepthorp spared them because he knew Paulette was a starfish, enslaved by the seagulls, and needed to be set free.

  • Baby

    Oh Please Allow me to Scoff…

    • ElleGee

      PLB looks constipated.

      • Baby

        OK I’ll Bite ElleG.. PLB?

        • ElleGee

          Its a ‘term of endearment’ that I heard Mareka Brousseau (I think it was her) call DM in an interview one time. Stands for Petty Little Bitch.

          I believe it was over at survivingscientologyRadiodotcom. PLB has a nice ring to it, like PBJ.

          • Baby

            Oh that’s right..hahah.. I call that jerk many names, but my favorite is still

            ASSHOLE

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re too kind.

            • ElleGee

              Still the best name, as it is so descriptive of his nature.

            • Baby

              Oh ElleG It is ALWAYS my Go To name..Always.. xo

      • OOkpik

        Petty Little Bitch.

        • ElleGee

          Yes, that is correct. Now if I only had a prize to give you! 😉

    • Mymy88

      No, it’s Pinocchio!

      • Baby

        hahaha.. At least Pinocchio was cute 88 xo

        • Mymy88

          Strike Pinocchio then, and make it a demon from the seventh circle of hell. Yeah, that’s more like it.

          • Baby

            Yeah.. That’s the ticket!

  • flyonthewall

    Going out to Cat Daddy wherever you are. I always liked your Hubbard sock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5SzMkimYRo

  • Django

    T.O. And Paulette Cooper. In Clearwater.

    Gonna need some vid of that….

  • Vaquera

    Miss Lovely takes in a final view of the Houston skyline from her roof top patio. (Apologies for the glare.) F5

    • Hey there! Looks like you are okay, but I’ve been seeing some crazy pics and videos from the floods down there.

      • Vaquera

        Hi Derek. The majority of those crazy pics were of Allen Parkway which is one block from where I live (or one block from where I lived up until 7:00 this evening.) All of the water has drained off now. The underpasses that you saw with water flooding up to the bridge…I just drove through them 30 minutes ago.

        • Good to know. California is expected to get the same type of weather this winter. Hopefully it alleviates our drought the way it did yours!

    • aegerprimo

      I’m glad to see you are high and dry. ♥

  • Per Wickstrom is at it again, with yet another “several flavors that all taste like Narconon”:

    Closed hospital could house rehab center May 27, 2015, Randy Garner, Your Daily Journal

    • Baby

      PA UKE

    • Mymy88

      “Well, that would be a first!”

      Or more likely, a never will.

      • Mockingbird

        Competent- the opposite of Scientology.

        • Mymy88

          I don’t know… scientology is very competent in regard to getting people to bend over and say thank you. The “may I have another” part, maybe not so much. It seems like the next step, or the next thing to do, is almost always shoved down a member’s throat.

          (footnote – I’m a never-in with only a never-in perception)

          • Mockingbird

            As lovely as that imagery is…I thought Scientology was good at controlling people but I found that people who study statistics for cults found a different story .They have found almost no one buys a second or third book or service . Lots of people buy DMSMH or another basic book then find it boring and do not finish it or ever buy anything else .

            Then the study I remember said most people leave Scientology in the first two months . And of those left most leave in under two years .

            The folks who make it over five years tended to stay .But think about it – less than 1% of people ever buy anything , then most of them do not buy iir want anything else , then of those who are persuaded to come back most leave in two months , then of the few left most leave in two years .

            When you are in or deep in it can seem like everybody you know is in for life , but that is a carefully maintained illusion .

            For people like me we stuck around for decades , but less than 1% of 1% of those who get a book or first service do this . So , food for thought .

            • Mymy88

              I’ve seen a video that talked about those percentages. Naturally, I can’t remember which one or specifically who was speaking.

              My brother got into scientology in the early 90’s. When it came time for him to do the purif, he left because he had a wife, a new house, and a new baby, and could not afford it.

              I remember him being very enthusiastic while he was in it. I also remember his wife making a comment that he had spent too much money on “his hobby”. If I would have known he was paying out a lot of money for that garbage, or any other kind of garbage, I would have tried my best to get him off that idea. I didn’t find out he was paying a lot for this “knowledge” until after he left, not that it would have made a difference because my brother is stubborn.

              I remember him trying to explain engrams to me and I was being polite but I was thinking to myself (it’s a bunch of BS), but how I knew enough to make that determination is a whole other long story.

              Wow! I am so thankful they didn’t get him. I shudder to think about it.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s probably better you didn’t know, because if you’d said something, he might have disconnected from you.

            • Mymy88

              Believe it or not, I can imagine that and it scares the crap out of me.

              You get involved in the scientology critics world, you hear about all these 1000’s and 1000’s of truly tragic and horribly sad stories about disconnection, and it does make you angry, and it does dishearten you, and it does make you feel very sad for the victims, but when I think I could have lost my brother, it’s a whole new level of understanding in terms of how immensely devastating it can be to the victims of this horrible implementation of ultimate control.

            • Missionary Kid

              The good news is that you didn’t and he didn’t.

              Cherish that thought. 🙂

            • Mymy88

              Believe me, I have. Up until this past Fall, I thought scientology was just another BS “religion” and that Tom Cruise was arrogant and / or stupid since he believed he could play doctor and tell people what they should and should not do, and we’re talking MENTAL ILLNESS HERE! You really should not be messing around doing that kind of thing, if you don’t know what you are talking about. It was obvious he didn’t. I was thinking, oh he’s just one of those rich movie stars. They think all kinds of weird shit. Whatever Cruise. Have fun on your ego trip.

              But when I started learning more about the real scien and going back and thinking about my brother, it was very disturbing, very.

            • Missionary Kid

              Every once in a while, I have to walk away from the bunker & $cientology. I get so pissed at all of the lies.

              I even had to put down Miss Lovely for a while because, even though I knew the story, the specifics really pissed me off.

              When I first got involved with the Bunker a couple of years ago, I made it a point to meet whomever I could. The first person I met was Michael Leonard Tilse, and hearing the shit they pulled on him made me much more aware of the fair game shit. Talking to him made it real.

              I’ve learned from Tory Christman that it’s important to show kindness to the minions on the lower levels. They expect us wogs or critics to be assholes to them. The point is not to fall into their trap that they try to set with bullbaiting. They WANT you to act angry, then they can dismiss whatever you say as coming from another angry person. Of course, they stimulated that anger in the first place, and they want you to play their game.

              $cientology is all about manipulation. I finally wandered into an org a while ago (I was actually scouting for a place to take a picture of TUML), but on a whim, I went in, posing as someone asking about the neighborhood. No body router sent me in. I lied about who I was, and they lied about what $cientology is. Amazingly, they didn’t even try to sell me anything or get me to write down my fake name and address.

              The lies and manipulation came fast and furious. They’ve had 65 years to practice them. They claimed to have Sunday services, weddings, and christenings. That last one I asked more about.

              Does your brother know about your status as a critic? I’m wondering if you can get him to watch Going Clear.

            • Mymy88

              Yeah, I tell my brother the main abuses but I don’t go into much detail. Funny you asked, because I saw him on Mother’s Day and he asked me to send the movie to him. I have it downloaded. I keep forgetting lol. I better do that now. I think he will find it very interesting since he has dabbled with scien in the past.

              As far as being nice to the lower level people and not letting them bull bait you, I totally agree, but I admit, it is hard sometimes.

              Scientology lies through it’s lying liar hole and lying is the foundation for the whole disgusting evil organization.

              (footnote: I’m not saying all sciens knowingly lie – I’m speaking as to scien, as an entity)

            • Mockingbird

              You bring up something interesting to me .How many “near misses” do cults have ? I have heard of people grateful their kids escaped Jonestown or the Manson family .

              Obviously Scientology is not a mass murder/suicide cult ( yet , yikes) ; but many people leave without the immense adoration for Hubbard and blind submission to the cult that is an indication of deep indoctrination .Or it could be better described as the slave/victim to a master/abuser relationship.

              I feel that is crucial to severe harm occurring mentally and emotionally.Obviously as Scientology kills that can happen to anyone.

              I am curious how much the influence of family and friends helps to save people who are not at the fanatical devotion stage yet. You and the wife may have saved him from a trip to the RPF .

              If you remember the video please let me know as I am trying to recall the numbers from memory and may be off , but I feel the point that most people leave in less than two years is right and less than 1% of 1% of people both buy something and stick with Scientology out of the entire population. And that those who stick around over five years often stay and have the hardest time recovering.

              I would love to see that study .

            • Mymy88

              I’m sorry. Somehow I totally missed your post and just now randomly came across it as I was going through yesterday’s posts because I am bored right now. Okay, I’ll try to remember where I heard that.

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks , I am very interested in pursuing this for my own writing and trying to be accurate and not biased.

            • Sookie Sookie

              These are refreshing statistics for those of us reading about scientology every day. Good to read, and I’m glad to be reminded of them, to keep things in perspective!

            • Mockingbird

              Yeah, getting buried in emotionally wrenching heartbreaking accounts of the cult can make it seem all consuming . For those hurt by Scientology it dominates their lives often .

              The world has a lot more than Scientology in it and fighting the cult is certainly a needed and beneficial, even kind and for some of us morally required act but it should be kept in perspective relative to its place in life .Upon realizing this personally I have found myself experiencing a tremendous relief from anxiety . I hope many exes achieve this, if they need to.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Wise words. And I share your hope for a healthy recovery for all involved. 🙂

    • Saltarello

      Maybe they should hire a variety of medical professionals to staff the Narconons* that are already up and running.

      *A rose by any other name…

      • Mockingbird

        Competent medical professionals would shut down Narconon …so…

    • aegerprimo

      I think not. Medical people are trained in science (anatomy, physiology, pathology, pharmacology, etc.) and critical thinking, and follow the Hippocratic Oath. Any certifications we have or registrations are from taking tests/board exams that are given nationally or issued by State (in USA).

      • Keep in mind that people who run Narconons include Naturopaths and Chiropractors as medical professionals.

      • Kay

        ITA. What medical professionals? No one with a license in any area of medicine who cares about what they do for a living and values their licensure would ever be employed by this group.

        • aegerprimo

          I agree!

    • Robert Hammond

      If this is a Narconon maybe they are including people with Doctors of Dianetics and certified touch assist training as “medical professionals on staff.” Knowing Scientology’s war on medicine, it would be hard to imagine any real doctors and nurses on staff.

      I’ll just leave this link here again for reference: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientologys-war-on-medicine/

      See also: http://www.thefix.com/content/narconons-big-con?page=all

  • nottrue

    • Mark

      Last heard of on Craigslist London—until the Red-X Brigade drove them off it…

    • Saltarello

      So… knowing the truth about me doesn’t involve knowing the truth about Scientology?

      Know yourself and become more yourself
      Remove barriers and unwanted conditions
      Enjoy free courses, services and information
      Be more competent, successful and happier than you ever thought possible
      Improve conditions in your life
      Manage your company towards optimum success
      Resolve marital strife
      Reach your goals and live a better life
      Know yourself and understand others
      Improve your relationships
      Create harmony and balance in your life
      Be productive
      Have a happy and beautiful family
      Gain energy and improved health
      Access your full potential and live your dreams
      Predict people’s behavior
      Learn how to control your future
      Reduce stress, baggage and confusion
      Find love, beauty and the true you
      Know the answers to what you’ve been searching for
      Create miracles with this new millennium technology
      Learn how to study and master any subject
      Learn how to master your career and field
      Be more causitive when dealing with others
      Body? Mind? Spirit? Find out who you truly are
      Handle exhaustion, fatigue and failed purposes
      Play a better game
      Salvage and save others from misfortune and pain
      100% natural and safe, no drugs involved
      Find answers for any of your problems
      Possess efficiency, a higher IQ and greater intelligence
      Actualize your goals, dreams, desires and wishes
      Seize what you want, assert your intentions
      Unleash your true potential and let your strength abound
      Surpass expectations
      Unlock life’s mysteries
      Increase your morale, stamina and effectiveness
      Empower yourself with greater self-confidence
      Find relief from the hostilities of life
      Exude self determinism and assertiveness
      Become spiritually aware and self-assured
      Heighten your perceptions and increase your awareness
      Empower yourself, feel fantastic, wonderful and free

      • nottrue

        I am very successful and happy and i didn’t need anybody to show me how

      • Supper Powers

        I explore most of these things with friends, family and colleagues. For free.

      • Am I allowed to flag this as spam?
        XD

      • Juicer77

        That’s a lot of pressure to put on yourself. Am I supposed to do all these things simultaneously?

        • Saltarello

          Just reading it all makes me tired. I wonder if this is just their “short list,” and if so, what didn’t make the final cut.

        • Kay

          You made me laugh with your comment, Juicer…I needed that. Thanks 🙂

      • Todd Tomorrow
        • Saltarello

          Not sure I follow… by which I mean I’m sure I don’t. I just found it rather egregiously disingenuous for “Chris and Kelly” to be so dishonest while purporting to teach the “truth” about anything.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Visit the site, it’ll all become clear.

        • Freethinker

          Oh man! Thank you for this. I subscribed on YouTube immediately.

      • Jimmy3

        I totally agree. You should see this video:
        https://screen.yahoo.com/shimmer-floor-wax-000000185.html

        • I heart Gilda!

        • Saltarello

          Near and dear to my heart.

        • Kay

          I love that video.

      • Kay

        You know you would have an easier time living if you just lived something more simple, maybe the Ten Commandments as an example? Or maybe just the Golden Rule? There is not ONE of these statements that has anything to do with truly serving others, valuing the earth we live on, performing humanitarian acts, or being empathetic towards others. Your statements are all about you, controlling those around you, and getting what you want…..

        • Saltarello

          Sorry… I wasn’t clear. These are the things listed on the “Know the truth about you” website. These things are not the truth about Scientology — which, from what I gather, is pretty much the opposite of all the things mentioned on this list. I just found their use of the word “truth” rather ballsy, considering.

          • StudentOfLife

            Great quote from Shaw……I agree with this pretty well as summarized in the Platinum Rule: “Do unto others as they would have you do unto them, not as you would have them do unto you.”

            Allows for respect of where other people are at regarding boundaries: spiritually, emotionally, and physically. I may like to be touchy feely and like to give hugs. I must respect those who are not so emotional and prefer to not be so touchy feely. Just an example. I may like to expound with a diatribe to an innocent question, lol (can you say guilty). Maybe silence is preferred by the other.

            • Kay

              Good comment…..

            • daytoncapri

              Not meant as a criticism really, but this thread is getting a little convoluted for me to follow. The Jesus parable of the Good Samaritan is simple and profound. In his time, an enmity existed between Judeans and Samaritans for political, historical, geographical and doctrinal reasons, Against this backdrop he gives a simple story of profound caring exhibited by someone that his followers were taught to despise. Put another way: The heart has reasons that Reason cannot understand. http://www.stephanielandsem.com/2013/04/jews-vs-samaritans-the-origin-of-conflict/

            • Saltarello

              Le cœur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. Read that on a candy wrapper (Perugina Baci).

            • Saltarello

              Back when I was a student of linguistics I learned a wonderful term: Complementary Schismogenesis. Let’s say you are T-F and I’m not (which is true, I’m not). You try to get me to hug you more by hugging me more, while I try to get you to keep your distance by being even more of a cold fish than I normally am. It’s a great way for people to annoy one another, especially entertaining at family get-togethers.

              (Another favorite term: Anticipatory Coarticulation. This is why we say, for example, “pangcake,” and not “pan-cake.”)

          • Kay

            Uh…now I’m really confused about what you are actually saying. However, I will check out the website you mentioned.

            • Saltarello

              Gah. Sorry. Merely attempting to make fun of Scientology by quoting the tripe they list on a website with the word “truth” in the url. Honest. I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Church of Scientology.

            • Kay

              OK….my bad ! Sorry about that.

          • Kay

            OK…I checked out that website, and it’s part of Scientology.org which is the main website for the COS. I assume since this is associated with the formal website, that these are claims that they do make. Yes, I would say the word “truth” regarding this is ludicrous, however I don’t believe that Scientologists believe the opposite of these tenants. They are pretty congruent with the philosophies of the COS, and they are posted in affiliation with their website. I did enjoy your quote about G. Bernard Shaw, however.

            • Saltarello

              The impression I get (and I’m just an armchair Scientology-watcher, and a novice) is that they may indeed believe these things, or at least act like they do to avoid trouble, but that this list is by no means an accurate representation of the actual Scientology experience.

            • Kay

              Ok, fair enough. I’ve never been in, so I am not as qualified to state an opinion on this. Probably some ex-scientologists who post on this site would be better commenters than myself.

          • Susan_Qbird_Poche

            Ballsy – oh yes!

          • daytoncapri

            I think you misidentified yourself as a supporter of the cult. Weather forecast – a dust-up to follow, you will get through this OK.

            • Saltarello

              Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
              I come to mock Hubbard, not to praise him.
              The evil that men do lives after them…

              Dust-up indeed. Battening down the hatches. (If I say “Maybe I need a Scientology communication course,” would people know I’m kidding?)

            • Susan_Qbird_Poche

              (It’s possible.) Some folks use these { thingies } to indicate sarcasm, hur-hurs, eye-rollin’… snorts & hoots… and such.

              It’s always interesting to see what happens next.

            • Saltarello

              This is how my cat looks when she punches me in the face to wake me up in the morning. In extreme close-up, it scares the bejesus out of me. I always wonder how long she’s been sitting there like that.

            • daytoncapri

              Not to worry. I am solidly right behind you. I think of you as an admirable man, a veritable Julius Caesar
              – signed,
              Brutus.

              (Actually, I took the Comm Course….now you say, I’m not helping you?)

            • Saltarello

              Lol, thanks. I came, I saw, I stuck my foot in my mouth.

            • daytoncapri

              “acking” – that was a biggie for me. Actually, I think it was quite useful at the early, nerdy stage of life I was in at that time. It is an example of a goody that neophytes are fed as the cult draws them deeper into the trap. To be sure: Similar but better content as the comm course can be found on the outside. Seriously.

        • Kay

          Oh well I guess there is the statement about “salvaging and saving others”….at a huge financial and personal cost to them.

      • daytoncapri

        I saw it too! Scientology certainly manifested itself as THE solution for me for all of those items you listed, and more! (Keep reading, please) Over time, I discovered that it was easier and cheaper and more real outside. It’s better out here. It really is! Wishing you on life’s journey!

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        What a wonderful comprehensive list that Scn., inc. sells!
        Too bad Hubbard was such a monumental liar.
        It would be nice if all of that shit was true… and real.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          oh and ETA ~ I like-a the true & real ~ vs. ~ Lafayette…
          Ronald Hubbub… Hey….?!
          Did anyone ever call him by his 1st given name?

  • Todd Tomorrow

    It’s official Duggan sold his company! Now he’ll have more time to play,’truth rundown’ in the backyard with Trish’s, Cheetah.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    Some people want to make other people feel bad, and they make deliberate effort to do that.

    I think that such a person has to be miserable to say the least.

  • valshifter

    An OT getting an open hart surgery? I thought OTs supposed to be superhumans free of illnesses and be cause over MEST. After the high cost to become an OT you should at least have good health.
    Well I guess this is just proof that being an OT means nothing.

    • Robert Hammond

      After a person reaches the state of “clear” they should have perfect memory and shouldn’t even have headaches or need glasses. Everybody who looks at people who have “Gone Clear” can see it’s all total BS. OT status means nothing but how much money you’ve been conned out of.

      • ReallyMGM

        Damn. I wish I had known about this COS thing when I was a kid and started having migraines. I just used the cure I read about in the Ann Landers column where you stuck a banana peel on your forehead.

        • Chee Chalker

          Does that work? (Banana peel)

          • ReallyMGM

            Hell if I know. But it is an urban myth that has survived for years and alive and kicking on the Internet. I heard of it 30 years ago, and thought it was funny.

        • daytoncapri

          OK, I’ll bite. Did it work for you?

        • Robert Hammond

          I understand that banana peel works really well when you take pain killers a out 30 minutes prior.

        • Mockingbird

          The banana peel rundown, I missed that tech breakthrough .

    • Mockingbird

      In Scientology double think OT simultaneously means godlike perfection and no improvement whatsoever – with the contradiction ( and subsequent cognitive dissonance) hidden from the conscious mind via trance logic and the accompanying denial, dissociation age regression and projection used to squelch doubt and mental discomfort .Scientology 101

      When critics point this out we get the dissonance brutally projected onto us by petulant and belligerent Scientologists who instinctively protect the false confident self to avoid unpleasant buried conflict . Always understand Scientologists simultaneously hold multiple meanings for terms and use the one that at any moment asserts their “rightness” more .Simple right ?

  • Just Dee

    This might have been posted before, haven’t been able to keep up lately. If anyone hasn’t see this yet, I think it’s great. Really tired but wanted to leave it here.
    http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/scientology-tax-exemptions/

    • ReallyMGM

      It has been talked about down thread. It is from an undergraduate publication at Harvard and doesn’t represent view of the University, but the student who wrote it. I think he did a good job.

    • Skabetti

      Good catch on that one, Just Dee. Harvard. My, my.

  • satyr wongraven

    found these at the goodwill in oceanside, only 10$ each !

    • DexterSka

      What are they? Please say they are silver masterbatorious status trophies.

      • satyr wongraven

        no, these are lectures on cd with transcription. i hit up the thrift stores and have never seen a collection like this, i didnt buy any of them though.

        • DexterSka

          You are not the only person who will not buy them.

          • ReallyMGM

            Someone paid a fortune for those things and gave them to Goodwill. Guess they didn’t want any trace of CoS left around.

            • DexterSka

              I gave all my books to some scientologist family members. I couldn’t stomach it anymore but why throw away paper?

            • Mockingbird

              Better to recycle them .

        • aegerprimo

          Good on you for not buying that crap.

    • Chee Chalker

      Way overpriced

      • Snake Plissken

        No kidding, you could stick them in the 99¢ Bin and they’ll still be way overpriced.

    • Mymy88

      Biggest turn off ever.

    • Missionary Kid

      I hope you bought the Carl Hiassen book. It’s a good read.

    • Phil McKraken

      I think those are the CD’s with the wrong semicolons. Don’t listen to them; you’ll go cuckoo.

  • DexterSka

    If someone pulled me close to intimidate me for speaking out I would hock a loogie in their face. I would love it if someone tried to blackmail me with that story too. I would be flattered if someone put my ethics folder online. Some of the stories are quite funny.

    • Anonymous

      Keep you loogie where it belongs…that is exactly the response that Scientologists often try to incite…so that they can later press civil or criminal charges.

      It is better to handle the afront in a less obvious manner.

      Lol.

      • DexterSka

        I’d think it belongs in the face of that guy but I see your point.

  • aegerprimo

    Open heart surgery. That is a MAJOR surgery.

    Coale completed OT IV in the early 1990’s… whatever and that was a long time ago. How active of a Scientologist has he been since?

    Scientologists do not seek proper medical care, ESPECIALLY SURGERY!

    How active have John Coale, Greta Van Susteren been in Scientology since the early 1990’s? Have they only contributed $$ for statuses, or have they progressed “on the Bridge to Total Freedom” beyond OT IV??? Are they “whales” aka big monetary contributors to the Church of Scientology?

    Tony, your article today raises more questions in my mind about John and Greta and their involvement and contribution to the Church of Scientology today. Your info today dates back to the early 1990’s regarding their involvement on the “Bridge”

    • Kay

      What Does Greta van Susteren’s Psychiatrist Sister Think of Scientology?
      Filed to: SCIENTOLOGY

      GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

      ARTICLE from the GAWKER

      A tipster passed along something we didn’t know: Noted Scientologist Greta van Susteren’s sister is a psychiatrist. Or, as Greta’s religion would have it, a practitioner of the “industry of death,” a “fraud,” a drug-peddler, and a “rapist.” We asked her what she thought of her sister’s curious views.

      Lise van Susteren lives in Bethesda, Md. That’s her, with Greta, in 2005. She is an assistant professor of psychiatry at Georgetown University and completed her residency at St. Elizabeth’s Hospital, a mental institution in Washington, D.C. She’s a board-certified forensic psychiatrist and has served on the staff of mental health centers in Alexandria and Fairfax, Va. She was a consultant to the CIA, where she developed psychological profiles of world leaders. In 2006, she launched a failed Senate bid in Maryland.

      Lise is no dabbler: She has a deep and varied career in psychiatry. Last month, she wrote in the Huffington Post that mental health professionals must do more to assess and redress the psychiatric effects of dislocation due to climate change.

      Her sister Greta, on the other hand, is a member and underwriter of an organization whose leader David Miscavige lauds its “campaign for the global obliteration of psychiatry” and uses terms like “lethal assault,” “plague,” and “virus of abberation” when discussing his aim of “breaking the dark spell cast across earth” by people like Lise van Susteren. As of 1998, Gretahad given at least $100,000 to Scientology; Miscavige’s mother was the accountant at the law firm Greta ran with her husband John Coale. She and Coale own a home in Clearwater, Fla., Scientology’s spiritual headquarters.Sarah Palin Adviser’s Secret Scientology Plot to Take Over Washington

      John Coale, currently advising Sarah Palin on running for president in 2012, is a Scientologist.…Read more

      We called Lise to ask her about Greta’s views. “These are private matters,” she said. “I don’t ever discuss them. The reality is, I don’t know anything about Scientology’s current campaigns. I know that in the past there were a few people who were very vocal about psychiatry, but I don’t know enough to reasonably comment.”

      A few very vocal people is a vast understatement. We recommend Lise watch this video, of Miscavige at Scientology’s New Year’s celebration in 2006, to get a refresher. She could also go to Scientology’s web site to learn about how her sister’s religion regards psychiatry and psychology as “the stepchildren of…Hitler and the Nazis,” and formed “the philosophical basis for the wholesale slaughter of human beings in…World War II.” She might take special interest in that last bit, seeing as how her Jewish mother-in-law survived a German labor camp during the Holocaust by passing as a Catholic.

      Greta and Lise don’t seem to be estranged; Greta lent her support to Lise’s Senate campaign and gave $2,100. We wonder what Miscavige thinks of one of his premier celebrity ambassadors palling around with a “psych.”

      • April

        If Greta were public or sea org rather than a minor “celebrity,” Lil’ Davey would have forced her to disconnect from her psychiatrist sister a long time ago.

      • Ben Franklin

        In Scientology there is clearly a double standard applied when it comes to celebrities. While regular folks are forced to disconnect celebrities get a pass.

      • Missionary Kid

        IMO, Lise is playing dumb to avoid Disconnection from her sister.

        Greta is probably trying to safepoint her sister.

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Found this for you Aeger… i read it earlier today, a post by Karen;
      http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/27/john-coale-greta-van-susteren-and-the-miracle-of-scientology-drug-technology-a-meditation/#comment-2048697785

      All about being “on the level.” 😉

    • Missionary Kid

      HE PULLED IT IN!

  • Frodis73

    OT-Anybody out there have a guess as to why Disqus is suddenly defaulting all the comments on the Bunker to “best”? Every time I refresh I have to then reset the comments to newest…it’s getting annoying. I tried re-starting and that didn’t work either. Just suddenly started this am. /i is very perplexed.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s dependent on your browser and cookies. I could help you but I get really hungry every time I hear about cookies.

      • Frodis73

        Ok smart ass! Lol. Actually, I was thinking it was something along those lines. I haven’t changed anything in my settings, etc and I have not heard of anybody else speak of the issue. It’s oh so annoying tho! Grrrr.

        • Tree

          Switch to Google Chrome, it is faster anyway and stays on “newest” which I selected. When I use IE it defaults back to “best” and is very slow. You have cute cookies.

        • Missionary Kid

          Sometimes, rebooting helps.

        • seriouslyWTF

          I have had the problem as well. I have no idea how to fix…just wanted to let you know you are not alone.

      • Frodis73

        Here, I couldn’t resist giving you a cookie or 8.

        • Saltarello

          Sweet cheeks!

        • L. C. Spencer

          Wow, there really is a cookie cutter for… everything.

  • Jimmy3

    Hey Bunker… You got the love I need.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bD9t44JUD4

  • mirele

    Sorry, before I knew John Coale was a Scieno, I knew of him from law school as “Bhopal Coale.” Someone held up to us as a person NOT to emulate. (He was having people who could not read sign retainers after the Bhopal disaster.)

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Scientology and dating. I happen to mention on a certain online dating profile, that I’m of course a big nerd, but in fact do not like math. Odd, I know. Well, I get a message tonight from someone who lives in Clearwater. She asked me if other nerds know that I dislike math? I wrote back and asked her how could she live in Clearwater and not be a scientologist. And did her neighbors know? This ought to be fun.

    • The Dude

      Good luck with All That.
      F5

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Not hoping it will go well, really just amusing myself….Which is sometimes rather easy to do.

        • The Dude

          To laugh at one’s self is the key individuality…..
          Otherwise one is just a Cardone-sized douche.

    • Doh!

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      You dog you L.Wrong…

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Woof!

      • Mockingbird

        So, that is what the internet is for !

      • Missionary Kid

        *Laughter!*

  • The Dude

    I detest these back-door $cilons. I am more and more surprised at every new person that I find out is $cyco.
    Tony opened my eyes to something in my very home. My son had a website that we got him on before he started school, ABCmouse. I found out here that the owner gave over 7 million to the IAS. My hard-earned money was going to a $cio-shell company. Some of my own money is in Davey’s pocket. It makes me sick.
    We wrote to the company. They begged us to come back. Said $cio has nothing to do with their curriculum. That I was mistaken.
    My son did like it and he did learn a lot in the 3 years we had it. But I cannot condone any of my money going anywhere near this vile excuse for a human.

    • Skabetti

      How did you find out?

      • The Dude

        Here in the IAS photos of Whales.

        http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/03/whale-watching-the-wealthy-donors-keeping-scientology-afloat-2015-edition/

        “The Dohring family reached Diamond Meritorious with Honors (approx. $7 million). Doug Dohring founded Neopets, and now runs the company ABCmouse.com, which is racking up jillions of dollars from American kids across the country, one mouse click at a time.”

        Quote.
        F5 for pic of Dohring’s

        • Skabetti

          TX. I shall pass the word!

          • The Dude

            Do. Please.
            Try to bilk me if you want. If I am weak-minded, I might even buy into it. But don’t go after my kid, or you will find a totally different and dangerous animal lurking over your shoulder!

    • Skabetti

      I just wrote to customer service, stating I am a teacher and asking if it was true. I’ll let you know what they say.

      • The Dude

        I am dying to hear what they have to say(Shore Story). I don’t trust a word from them anymore.

    • Mockingbird

      Back door…uh, that brings to mind something else…

      • The Dude

        Yeah. Like LRH was a “Back-Door Man”?

        • Mockingbird

          Ugh…no dox or shoops please !

      • Robert Hammond

        Leave JT out of this.

        • Mymy88

          LOL!

        • Mockingbird

          Touche !

    • Robert Hammond

      Not cool.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Considering that Disney owns ABC and their famous mascot is a mouse, one might be led to believe that this is some sort of offshoot of Disney. I wonder if Bob Iger et al. are aware of this apparent bogarting of their company identity. That might be a place to start if you want to expose them.

  • Robert Ramsay

    Slightly off topic here but me and mrs watched the “History of the Eagles” for about the third time on netflix tonight and when the credits rolled (first time we watched them) low and behold it was Mr. Alex Gibney that was the producer !!! Some people may say it was “blinded by bigotry and bias that relies on the same handful of bitter, discredited sources.” but I would disagree personally. 🙂

    • The Dude

      Don Felder and Joe Walsh are both, bitter and defrocked apostates. Ignore everything that they say.

      • Robert Ramsay

        🙂

      • ReallyMGM

        I thought it was Felder and Meisner.

    • Missionary Kid

      Mr. Gibney is not only a great storyteller, but he’s prolific and versatile.

    • ReallyMGM

      Great one! I watched it for the second time Tuesday night. I am kicking myself that I didn’t get tickets this tour.

  • Suzy

    Why don’t Greta Van Susteren and John Coale share their epic wins they gained in Scientology with the rest of us schmucks? Why aren’t they bragging about their gains and the levels they’ve reached? Because Greta Van Susteren and John Coale are ashamed that they bought into LRHs scam. They don’t want to be asked by their peers “you did what?? and you paid money for that?”. Don’t be afraid to come out of the closet as Scientologists. What is ’embarrassed’ on the tone scale, by the way?

    • Simi Valley

      How about “Shame” at -0.2?

    • valshifter

      Part of the indoctrination in scientology is to be FABIAN while operating as an OT, so that means they have to be law key while they spread their cancer in society.

  • Lady Squash

    Another interesting fact Tony is Greta and her husband’s involvement with the Reed Slatkin scandal. Most people who invested with Slatkin lost everything. However, there was a short list of investors who did very well with Slatkin. Greta and her husband were on that list. Somehow those who made out like bandits felt no compunction to give back to those who were taken to the cleaners. I just thought it was odd for the most ethical people on the planet to be so greedy and callous. Most people who lost big time were fellow Scientologists who were duped.

    • The Dude

      “MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.”

      – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384

      He said it. You do it.

      • The Dude

        The caps were “his” not mine. BTW.

      • Lady Squash

        So ethical… Lovely people.

  • The Dude

    LRH’s “research” consisted of months of “pink’s and grey’s”. He was high as a kite. These are all the ramblings of a drug-induced , not-so-well-balanced man.
    Let it go SO. Run while you can. The end is coming.
    Don’t be there when it all comes crumbling down.

    • Are_sics

      I agree, but still…. to much an excuse. An asshole sober will be an asshole high. Really.

      • The Dude

        Hello. You were the one I was talking to about Dean Bowman. I agree. I have been absorbing them all week. SHT is my new fav. I have turned on 3 of my friends to them. Good feedback so far!

        • Are_sics

          Somehow his personality didn’t fit with Fuze’s, or the vision Fuze had with the band, or something. The new singer, Freedom Bremmer, sings on a couple of songs on the first Screaming Headless Torsos “Live” album. We’ll see how he does with the new material, but Bowman was in another league, clearly, from that record. Sadownick and Fuze remain; new singer, new bass player, new drummer all have some pretty big shoes to fill. Some more trivia — or not, depending… — the original drummer, Gene Lake, is the son of original World Saxophone Quartet horn player, Oliver Lake. On the other hand, I haven’t heard enough of the new band to state that I “miss” the prior bassist or drummer.

          • The Dude

            I like the new album. I have also seen on you tube , a couple of videos with Bowman and another band. They call themselves ” screaming hendrix’s or so”.

      • The Dude

        A shit-bag is a shit-bag is a shit-bag. To quote a friend.

        • ReallyMGM

          That should be embroidered on a pillow.

          • The Dude

            When anyone of our friend’s drop the ball and start acting like a asshole. We always call it “Shit-Bagging-It”!

      • The Dude

        Someone told me once that cocaine just intensifies your personality.
        What if you are a asshole?

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve seen sober assholes be real mensches when they’re drinking. I can recall AA members saying (sarcastically, and everyone knew they were not serious) that a certain recovering alcoholic was such an asshole sober, that they wish he’d start drinking again.

        Conversely (and this is usually the case), there are sweet, kindly people when they’re sober that turn into aggressive, obnoxious people when they’re drunk.

        • Are_sics

          Sure… though I don’t think you can link alcohol with the “pinks” and “greys” for the most part. And even if you could sometimes, I don’t think LRH’s “sober ramblings” have ever contained any more verities than his high-as-a-kite ramblings. Especially when the ramblings are published as part of a system of mind-control, later, after (presumably) they’ve had some sober evaluation of their use for the purpose.

          I’m not attached to this line of thought… I just didn’t want to give him the “out” that, it appeared to me, calling his research “drug-induced” gives. Even if some of it was drug induced. It was never research, and I think we agree with you on that!

          • Missionary Kid

            LRH made no research.

            I was writing about alcoholics in general. LRH was an asshole, drunk or sober. His ramblings were all just like his fiction, tall tales that had no real meaning because they were contradictory in the long run.

            Poor Nibs, he just flopped in the wind, trying to get LRH’s attention. Of course, trying to please a self_focused/indulgent manipulating asshole like his dad was impossible.

  • ReallyMGM

    I find Greta and John’s involvement with Samaritan’s Purse (an evangelical Christian group) interesting. Not all of their money is going to COS. I keep finding recent news stories of her working with SP and Franklin Graham on different projects.
    http://www.samaritanspurse.org/what-we-do/greta-home/

    • Robert Hammond

      How do you suppose the reconcile the fronting for Jesus act when the upper OT levels claim that all religions were just mocked up on a 3D movie for invisible aliens from other planets?

      • madame duran

        How does Greta reconcile her involvement with a cult organization that bashes psychiatry as “evil” while maintaining contact with her sister who is a member of that despised profession? It seems it’s all “fair roads, fair weather” and “safepointing” up until Greta and her husband are openly confronted about their hypocrisy (so far, Greta’s sister refuses to talk about such “personal” issues; I’m guessing that Franklin Graham is just appreciating their support for his projects but not of Scientology beliefs in themselves).

      • Missionary Kid

        Easy. They’re trying to safepoint everyone and anyone.

        • ReallyMGM

          It sounds as if his health is really bad, cancer and open heart surgery. Covering all his bases.

          • Missionary Kid

            I believe that he’s lobbying without being registered as a lobbyist. There are plenty of people who will believe a friend over the evidence presented to them. Unfortunately.

            John probably knows enough people so that he can tell them,”$cientology isn’t that bad.”

            After all, he’s given money to support their campaign, so he must be a good guy.

            • ReallyMGM

              Good point on the politics.
              She is very involved with Samaritan’s Purse all over the globe, not just at the school in Haiti. It doesn’t make sense to me (cognitive dissonance is strong), but the donations and support go to actual humanitarian aid not COS volunteer ministers in yellow shirts touching people.
              While it is great to see her on a campaign against human trafficking in foreign countries, it is a damned shame she is blind to similar abuses in her own “church.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m glad that they seem to be doing actual relief work, but I’m really wary of anything associated with Franklin Graham.

    • Kay

      That is very interesting information..

  • Jenny Griffith

    What do the sea orgers (who are not OT) do with their drug addicted body thetans?

    • Kay

      Auditing I guess, maybe someone else has a better answer than that.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      That’s what’s ridiculous. I heard that they are to assume to be in an OT state, in the SO without going through the levels, tho some do for show. But the expectations are for them to be OT at their job and it’s told to them over and over. Years ago it used to be Clear. It’s been used on public also as a way to get something out of them.

  • hansje brinker

    Last week in The Netherlands a day after the docu “Going Clear” was broadcast, this undercover report came out. It is subtitled English. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md5Sw4dp6qI&feature=youtu.be&a

    • Kay

      You should re-post this tomorrow so more people can see it….not very many people are online since it is the middle of the night in the U.S. People would be interested to watch this.Thanks for posting it.

      • hansje brinker

        I will do that. Thanks!

        • Kay

          I’m only part-way through and it is really good !!!

          • hansje brinker

            After this docu, a news-release came out about an Dutch Alderman concern’s. http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/05/21/scientology-doc-revelations-concern-amsterdam-alderman/

            • Kay

              I e-mailed Tony Ortega to tell him about your video and the story because I think it’s good enough for him to use as a daily feature. I hope he does it. You might want to email him to see if he does want to use it….more people would see it. His email address is listed on the home page down at the bottom of the left hand column. Please do this, this is great !!

            • hansje brinker

              Great! Last week I e-mailed the news-release. I will do it again, with the docu message.

            • Ardent

              This gets more applause from my direction. Good for that Alderman! I hope he really gets the ball rolling. A ‘seminar’ being run by some kid 11 years old???!! That is a great big no-no.

            • hansje brinker

              The church in The Netherlands is almost dead. I hope this year a judge of a High Court will disapproves the tax-exemption. Then it is done with “the church” here.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              A good article maybe put on tomorrow too and the comments are super.

    • Ardent

      This is great Hansje!
      I agree with Kay: Re-post this. I think it’ll be a smash-hit here in Bunker-land.
      Many thanks,
      Ardent

      • Steve Bazemore

        They turned the tables on the scumbags!! I loved the moment when they revealed who they were!! Priceless!

    • ReallyMGM

      In case anyone can not get the above link to show the English subtitles (like me), you can do a search on YouTube directly and it will work.

      • hansje brinker

        If you click on this You-Tube symbol you get the subtitles!

        • ReallyMGM

          Thanks. That does not show when I use the link from this page. I think it is because I am using an iPad.

    • valshifter

      That’s what they do to all the celebrities they get recorded and they keep the videos, with personal information to be used later as blackmail in case one of them blow.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      This was fantastic. Good on them.

    • Graham

      Jeez- fourteen minutes in and they’re already trying to drive a wedge between the newbie and her husband!

    • Snuzey

      This is brilliant…. I never realised how blatantly it’s like hypnosis from the beginning. “Close your eyes…. when I click my fingers its all over” etc… Its like watching a thriller movie I was getting quite anxious for the girl when she was going in for the weekend session! This needs to be shown to more people.

    • valshifter

      nice video but this guys don’t know anything about scientology, they should have done a better job if they know at least, some of the jargon to talk to a scieno. Scienos only respond to their own colored cool aid others will be spotted specially if you go into a private gathering without invitation.

  • Jack99

    Movie idea:
    Arnold Schwarzenegger plays a father whose daughter becomes a Scientolgist and joins the Sea Org. Schwarzeneggger doesn’t like that too much and the daughter is told by the Church to disconnect with her father. The daughter is put on the RPF. She manages to phone her father before being taken away. The third act is pretty much Schwarzenegger kicking Scientology ass as he goes to get his daughter out of there. The film ends with Schwarzenegger meeting David Miscavige while he’s holding a speech at an Ideal Org opening. Body guards try to hold Schwarzenegger back. No dice. Schwarzenegger knocks Miscavige down in front of the audience, says “Xenu later, alligator.”

    • Ella Raitch

      I’d see that

  • Jimmy3
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  • Todd Tomorrow

    Too early for poocorn?

    • Mymy88

      I’m going to get back to you as soon as I can, about the episodes you mentioned and I have a couple questions. Sorry for delay. I have a flock of shit going on that I need to concentrate on getting taken care of. Can you please like this post so I will know you got it? Then I will delete it. Catch ya later!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Got it!

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • L. C. Spencer

      D’oh! Thanks anyway man, that was nice of you 🙂

    • Frodis73

      Yes Todd! Thank you very much indeed!!

  • chukicita

    Hm. I poked around a little and learned that back in 2009 when he was guv of Maryland, Martin O’Malley appointed John Coale to the board of directors of Univ. of Maryland Medical System. A guy who might have been a little more qualified was booted off the board against his will to make room for Coale.

  • beef

    She is just another reason I boycott Fox News.

    • And it’s far from the worst reason. That’s how malignant Fox is.

  • This is what Scientologists actually believe.

  • Mid West

    Total BS. Scientology is pure evil. Oppressive thugs preying on weak minds. They lie, steal and will send thugs to your door if you quit. They base it all on a bad SciFi book written by the biggest liar of all time. A real Hitler. We need to stop these evil people. My brother printed all of their garbage back in the 80’s. They are totally evil and abusive…like a NAZI.