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DOX: Woman sues Pasadena company for forcing Scientology on her

The WISE logo

The WISE logo

We have the legal complaint and some more details about the story that broke out of Pasadena, California yesterday: A woman named Annie R. Lee is suing a company after she refused to take Scientology classes she says were forced on her by her employers, resulting in her being terminated and replaced by members of the Church of Scientology.

This isn’t the first time a legal action has resulted after employers have tried to force Scientology on their workers.

There’s an entire wing of Scientology, known as the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE) that targets employers, trying to convince them that Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard not only discovered the secrets of the human mind and the true nature of the universe, but also that he was a genius in business matters.

WISE tends to target chiropractors, dentists, and veterinarians, and in recent years we’ve covered stories about an Oregon dentist who was fined for forcing Scientology on one of his employees, and a Miami chiropractor who was notorious for running an entire Scientology academy for his workers.

But even though WISE tends to target certain professionals, it will set up shop at any business, given the chance. In this case, Annie Lee says in her legal complaint that in June of 2014 she went to work for Lusida Rubber Products in Pasadena, a company that makes custom molded and extruded rubber products that was founded in Shanghai in 1984 and then opened a satellite office in Pasadena to take orders for three plants in China.

 
LusidaRubber

 
Lee took a job in sales at the Pasedena company, working for its principal, Wayne Chin. But then, a couple of months later, in September, Chin brought on an executive named Bill Johonnesson.

Johonnesson has a long history in WISE and as a Scientologist. (There’s also a listing for a Wayne Chin in the database, showing involvement in Scientology going back to at least 2007).

After Johonnesson was hired, in about October 2014 Lee says she and the other employees of Lusida were then required to go through Scientology training sessions, at least three times a week and more.

When Plaintiff [Lee] informed her superiors, including general manager Defendant JOHONNESSON, that she did not feel comfortable with participating in these mandatory training courses, she was told that she had no choice. Moreover, she was told by [Johonnesson] that if she did not know how to wear “multiple hats” that she was not fit to work for the company. Apparently, the term “wearing multiple hats” is one of the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard. Also, [Johonnesson] repeatedly spoke negatively about other religions in front of Plaintiff and other employees and urged Plaintiff to denounce her existing religious beliefs and adopt Scientology as her new religion.

On December 2, 2014, Lee was apparently asked to write a “success story” about the course she was taking, but instead she spoke up and said she objected to having Scientology forced on her. Less than two weeks later, she was given a poor job performance review and was fired. She claims that after Johonnesson became general manager, the company was forcing out others who were not happy with the Scientology program, and replaced them with actual members of the church.

Last month Lee got a “right to sue” order from the state of California’s Department of Fair Employment and Housing, and her attorney, Gary K. Daglian, filed her lawsuit on Tuesday.

But it sounds like Lusida itself has gone through some kind of upheaval since Lee was fired. According to an online listing at a complaints board, the Shanghai mothership of Lusida asserted control of the Pasadena company, prompting Wayne Chin to post this notice at the Lusida website…

AS OF JULY 1, 2015 LUSIDA RUBBER PRODUCTS, INC., CAME UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT WHICH REASSERTED OUR ROLE AS A GLOBAL SUPPLIER OF CUSTOM RUBBER AND PLASTIC COMPONENTS. WE ARE HERE TO SATISFY THE NEEDS OF OUR CUSTOMERS WITH EXPERTLY CRAFTED PARTS AT A COMPETITIVE PRICE, SAFELY PACKAGED AND SHIPPED ON SCHEDULE TO OUR CUSTOMERS….

Has the Scientology experiment at Lusida been quashed by the home company in China? We’ll try to find out. In the meantime, here is Lee’s complaint. We look forward to your thoughts on it.

Annie R. Lee v. Lusida Rubber Products

 
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Chris Shelton with part two of his conversation with Rachel Bernstein

“Rachel Bernstein is a family and individual counselor and a cult specialist in Encino, California. She has helped over 1,000 people recover from participation in destructive cults. In Part 2 of my interview with her, we discusses the control methods destructive cults use including the power of group agreement and the use of language to shape thought patterns. All of this applies 100 percent to Scientology and I think anyone who is interested in trying to figure out how these things work is going to find this interview very educational.”

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Hey, girl. Let’s get purified together here in Taichung, Taiwan.

 
BigBlue

 
Hey, Legoland. Thanks for the cash. Now we can push Scientology on kids here in Nepal!

 
YHRINepal

 
…and here in India!

 
YHRIIndia

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 10, 2015 at 07:00

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • ithilien

    can someone PLEASE tell them ‘the grabbing for the camera , and photographing the SPs is so old? I think part of it is just to hide their own faces.

    • Missionary Kid

      When I was with Tory and taking pictures of Miss Lovely in front of the $cientology testing center, the security guy approached me and asked me with full command intention, “What’s your name?”

      I answered, “SP.”

      • ithilien

        Good for you! I like spunk in a kid.. I’d love to go with Tory on an adventure.

        • Missionary Kid

          Tory is always fun. I talk to her about once a week, and she educates, amuses, and teaches me. She doesn’t put up with bullshit, which I can spew. She stops me cold, which is good.

          When she shows up, $cientology goes into full Defcon mode. Exception: when they’ve brought in sea org people who are new. Then it’s really fun.

      • Robert Eckert

        I’M Spartacus!

        • Missionary Kid

          To a $cientologist, an SP is far more powerful than Spartacus

  • beauty for ashes

    Has anyone else seen “Death by China?” My sister told me it took her two and a half months to find pillows not made in China. Now I’m obsessed. Another rabbit hole foe y’all to fall into. Seriously bad business practices plus environmentally unsafe, and many products made without the regulations we have in the United States.
    So if that coffee cup you microwave says no BPA, and made in China simultaneously, you might want to rethink it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzRajl5omU0

    • ithilien

      China is killing itself. A Facebook buddy just posted a picture of the hideous unbelievable pollution. So they’re gonna get theirs

      • Frodis73

        I know somebody who was raving about how they do things in China because they don’t have to worry about the govt and OSHA and they get things done better and cheaper. He thinks we need more of that thing in the USA. SMH and crying at the same time..
        eta-just remembered a video he sent of chinese workers doing some type of manufacturing…if they zone out for like a second they could loose their heads in this weird, huge machine. He was bitching that same machine in the USA would have safety equipment, breaks etc. like that was a bad thing. I gave up arguing with this person.

        • A bird in the chimney

          The Almighty Dollar makes for strange bedfellows and stranger priorities. And by strange I mean fuckingawful.

          • Frodis73

            A freaking men, says the heathen.

        • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

          …And some say that education quality in the United States is the same everywhere in the country and = good. The same people probably believe that community colleges should be free to attend, and won’t lower the value of the degrees students have earned before then.

          Maybe the person you’re talking about should have to read Upton Sinclair’s
          “The Jungle” and write a book report to prove they actually read it and aren’t using cliffs notes.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        “So they’re gonna get theirs”…

        Please. I’m sure you’re not blaming the entire Chinese populace for the conditions in which they live?

        • B4you

          Oh oh!

        • ithilien

          Humor darling, irony…no I’d o not wish death on the entire Chinese population and their little dogs too.

          • B4you

            nice comeback!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Sorry if I overreacted. I am very edgy about intolerance.

            • Sherbet

              As we all should be.

            • Vaquera

              While growing up in Texas we had a Pekinese and I was told that didn’t count as “having a dog” because you couldn’t take it bird hunting. I’ve always been my own drummer…no rhythm, but an original beat none the less.
              To add: because Pekinese…China.

            • Sherbet

              It makes you the unique person that you are. Everyone should do a certain amount of coloring outside the lines. Otherwise, we’d all be boring.

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        I was in Beijing two years ago and the weather was beautiful and the skies were crystal clear. Then….the day we flew to Hong Kong the skies had turned the oddest brown-orange and it was incredibly spooky. I couldn’t wait to get the hell outta there.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          L.A. had a funny hue went I left – but they’ve cleaned their act up quite a bit since then.

          • Andrew Robertson

            I remember the first time I arrived in Los Angeles in 1984 and was amazed at the eerie colour of the sky, a brownish orange like a scene from Blade Runner..Creepy.

            Andrew

          • Enturbulated Masterbator

            Yep. I remember LA in the early 80s and how bad it was. I’m there almost monthly these days and it’s drastically better.

          • Glen

            I left LA long ago for northern California. My brother who has been in L.A. all his life has a good line. “I don’t trust any air I can’t see to breathe.”

            • Missionary Kid

              Believe me, the air is better than it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The first mention of smog in the L.A. Times was in the early 40s. Until the 50s, people burned their trash in backyard incinerators. That had a lot to do with the air pollution.

            • Glen

              I was there. We had an incinerator. it really got awful. So much better now but there are still those days when the smog gets trapped by the San Gabriel mountains with nothing moving, yuck.

            • Missionary Kid

              In reality, it is the inversion layer working in conjunction with the surrounding mountains that trap the pollution.

              In a way it is actually better that those factors come into play because it has forced California to deal with its own pollution, instead of sending it East. It still happens, but not at the rate that it would if there were no mountains.

            • Robert Eckert

              Poem about LA:

              In this city so fair, only four things to beware: the fire, the water, the earth, and the air

    • Missionary Kid

      I make it a point not to use any food products or toiletries made in China. After all, the Chinese are buying American baby food and formula because they don’t trust the Chinese products.

      • beauty for ashes

        Mish, you eat baby food? πŸ˜‰ Just kidding!

        • Missionary Kid

          In a few years, I may be. πŸ˜›

      • I know someone (here in the UK) who used to make premium baby food for export to China. I also worked with someone who briefly imported LED lighting. You could get good stuff, or complete rubbish. It all depended on finding a good supplier and building a relationships with them.

        I’m glad that project didn’t work out. Our point of contact with the best company was a young woman whom we spoke to via Skype. She commuted in the company bus (Sea Org style) from a company dormitory to work and back. She got 2 weeks off a year (for the Dragon Festival, when China shuts down) to go home and spent most of it travelling.

        Very cheap ‘stuff’ costs you more than money, in the long run.

    • Rasha

      Having family in Beijing, I’m often horrified by many things there, in the midst of a beautiful culture and people. Every one of my trips there was amazing, people and culture-wise, but the overcoat of corruption in business and politics is enough to dampen it. Hence, the pollution, dangerous products, and tainted foodstuffs. I still love it, though.

      Edit for clarity – I despise the corruption and the manifold effects it has, and I am often sad for China.

      • beauty for ashes

        What a cool place to have family in. Just sayin! ….little jealous.

        • Rasha

          It’s like wearing silks with jeans. Best way I can describe it at the moment. ^_^

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Is this lady talk?

            • Rasha

              …let me rephrase. It’s like having a plate of chicken feet along with one’s pizza.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You ladies iz confuzing.

            • Rasha

              You’ve never had chicken feet. Om nom nom nom……

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Um, I think we’ve already done the chick thing πŸ™‚

            • Rasha

              MOVIN’ ON!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Actually, I have. Lots of visits to Philly Chinatown.

            • Rasha

              Yay!!! Good, right? Glad people try things that are…. different.

              (I highly recommend the Chinatown in Beijing. Just sayin’. Thing’s HUGE)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Meh, I rather have a good batch of beef chow fun from a crusty old, burnt wok than the feet. Or the sticky rice wrapped in a lotus leaf with the chinese sausage and mushrooms. Damn, I miss than. Not the same down here in Florida.

            • beauty for ashes

              You can put a Santa hat on, but you’re still a butt plug. πŸ˜‰

        • Frodis73

          I know…I would love to visit China someday. Too bad we can’t pull a Paulette and sneak away the next time Rasha makes a trip.

          • beauty for ashes

            Umm Rasha?.. I think we might need to inspect your suitcases… **as two suitcases pass by Xray with skeletons in them** πŸ™‚
            PS~ I just watched a marx brothers movie where they were stowaways in herring barrels last night. So this joke was extra funny πŸ™‚

            • Frodis73

              I’m ready, let’s do it!

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for sharing this, I just finished it and it’s very well done. I didn’t learn anything new really, but it just reignited my disgust for these issues. America is slowly digging herself a grave…all in the name of the almighty dollar at the expense of human lives. So depressing and maddening that big corps rule this country. This doc should be required viewing for hs jrs/srs…actually for the whole country, but adults *should* know better.
      Don’t read the most recent youtube comments if you don’t want to deal with the urge to break things either…one person said Trump is the man to fix this. OMFG. Explains a lot of why we are in this situation though. Again, thanks for sharing. I have wanted to read the book and didn’t even know they made a doc about it. I will also share this with a few people.

      • beauty for ashes

        I enjoyed your thoughts on this, so I won’t read the comments. :)I am mostly media free, so while this might have been widely reported on, I NEVER knew. I’m glad to hear others do though. I think at this point we as consumers need to make the hard choices and just do our best not to buy junk from China.

  • Bob Crouch

    A word to the “WISE:” Before falling for this scam, consider this. The entire “church” of scientology is run by Hubbard’s business and PR “discoveries.” While a multitude of cults does its thing in obscurity and people are generally indifferent toward them, there is one that has managed to become positively reviled in the public eye. Can anyone guess which one that is? For bonus points: What is the business “tech” that particularly odious one employs? Is it one that actually is doing what solid business management promotes, namely is growing (or at least maintaining)?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Hey scientology – I think the Woggles are on to ‘ya!

    Some recent tweets about the scientology celebrity center in LA:

    http://i.imgur.com/WZvhyd7.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/UFclHDa.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/OBefsIc.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/PIe50XI.jpg

    • Bob Crouch

      Looks like a furniture store. Too many cars for a scientology org.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hah – I thought the same thing – too many cars!

      • Missionary Kid

        Unless they’re selling parking places for a nearby venue.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ha! People are so funny πŸ˜€

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I liked the manger scene with “sweet little baby Tom Cruise” – stuff of Obs shoop dreams!

    • Jo

      First pic, really funny.

    • Bunker Buggy Betsy

      Scientology’s worst fear: J&D

      It’s a beautiful thing when the general public know enough to about the cult to joke this way! Bee-ewe-Dee-full!

      • daisy

        It is a comfort to me that he probably didn’t mind being called evil, scam artist liar, but he would hate to be the butt of the joke. So many comedians including the bunker regulars enjoy making him look like the horses ass he was.

        • Satire that genuinely makes you laugh is probably an exception to the old Hollywood dictum “any publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right”.

          How can you recruit someone when they start to giggle as soon as you tell them who your represent?

          Another reason for the rise of the front groups, perhaps.

  • Missionary Kid

    When they announced the Golden Globes Nominees, I was waiting for Going Clear to be nominated, then realized they don’t have a documentary category. πŸ˜€

    • Allie

      Me too. Waiting in anticipation, then “duh”. *facepalm*

    • Fink Jonas

      They don’t! oh wow! the things I learn in this website. what a pity otherwise it would have taken some.

  • Jimmy3

    sometimes i feel like spirits are using me, and larger voices are calling. but it would feel a lot better if i had a boat. cause you know it will.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9gLjEGJrw

    • Vaquera

      In my top five

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Me too!

        • Vaquera

          I’ve always wanted to visit the Marquesas.
          Islands, not Keys.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Fantastic spot to have on a Must Visit list

          • Qbird

            The Marquesas in the Keys is just a little ol’ atoll covered in Mangroves, uninhabited… but of great importance to me personally, as it provided safe harbor on more than one occasion for me & Mr. Q. Now the REAL Marquesas – in the middle of the Pacific – that would be the bomb, Vaq!

            • Vaquera

              I’ll bring the tequila, you bring the limes. See you there!

    • That’s how Ron felt too.

    • Jo

      Getting that 70’s vibe.

    • Vaquera

      Seriously reining in the urge to link Chris Janson’s “Buy a Boat,” but I would never pollute theirs with his.

    • beauty for ashes

      Woo Hoooo! I just christened my new USB headphones. I can’t tell you what a relief it was not to hear my laptop strangle the sound of a good song. That was extra beautiful. Also they also blocked the sound of my own singing which was rather loud and awful. happy happy πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      wtf VH1? Where is the other verse?

  • Allie

    In looking at all the holiday sales, I’ve been chuckling that Scn doesn’t offer any sales on services/classes/rundowns
    to its minions, you know as a gift for all their hard work. No Black Friday (altho every Friday is black after Thurs. stat day), no Cyber Monday (the internet, God no!) I know, I know–it’s always about the $$. Cheap bastards, that’s for sure.

    • Mary Smith

      They do have sales on books and tapes. They push these for Xmas gifts (Ugh can you imagine pretending to be happy about receiving TWTH book?) and also year end tax write offs.

      • Allie

        My mistake. Thanks for clarifying this to me.

  • daisy

    Golden Globes do not include documentaries ? Never mind.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hey. They nominated The Martian as a comedy.

      • Rasha

        Well, ch’yah!

      • daisy

        I am not sure I understand your joke, but I will up vote anyway because I am confident it was funny.

        • beauty for ashes

          I haven’t read the joke yet, but this made me Bwaaaahaaaaaa! πŸ™‚ YMML

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          The Martian is essentially a dramatic film with moments of comedy. About an astronaut stranded on Mars who survives and (SPOILER ALERT!) is rescued. The producers apparently felt it stood a better chance in the comedy/musical category.

          • daisy

            Thank you for the explanation . All sci-fi references lost on me. I have no idea how I ended up in this blog.

      • Jo

        After watching that movie, I’m sure I’m not moving there, gods know who u could bump into.

      • Ricky Gervais is hosting and is nailed on to rip into the cult again… he’s already said 4 of his jokes will probably get him banned in Hollywood.

    • Missionary Kid

      The nominations will be announced next April first.

  • sashiebgood

    boy, those Nepalese kids and Indian Scientologists look so HAPPY! makes me want to purchase a pallet of WTH booklets and spread the JOY!

    • flyonthewall

      they would get more use out of the actual pallet itself

    • Rasha

      Scientology: A Pallet of WTH….

  • Robert Eckert

    50 years ago tonight was the first Grateful Dead concert– more or less. They had appeared as the Warlocks before, and had been arguing about various possible name changes (“the Mythical Ethical Icicle Tricycle”?) at Kesey’s acid tests, but on Dec. 10, 1965 at the Fillmore they went with “the Grateful Dead” despite the misgivings of Fillmore impresario Bill Graham, who put them on the chalkboard as “The Grateful Dead, formerly the Warlocks”

    • Robert Eckert

      So that makes me feel kind of old

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaXTg3nAuY

      • Vaquera

        I was singing that song on Tuesday as another year was added to the tally.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Did you catch all our birthday wishes? Jimmy sent up the alert that it was your birthday πŸ™‚

          • Vaquera

            I did. Thank you.
            For whatever reason, this particular year’s passing was harsh…but by the next morn all was ok.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Oh, no, V. I’m so sorry to hear that. I won’t pry and ask why, instead I will send love. x

            • Vaquera

              It’s only the number, nothing more. No biggie. It’s not like one can stop that train once it’s left the station.
              Onward we go.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Ah, I understand. I am lucky – out of my group of five best friends I’m the youngest by six months, so by the time it gets round to me I have already celebrated the other four’s birthdays and it no longer has the power to shock.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        You’re not old Robert, you’re wise. ; )

    • Supper Powers

      I’m so glad you’re here. I learn things from you. Thanks.

    • Kestrel

      Strangely enough, I hardly remember anything from my Grateful Dead concert experience.

      • Robert Eckert

        But there is a twisted part of your mind deep inside ever since.

      • daisy

        That in itself proves you were there.

    • pat k

      I first saw them in Alpine Valley WI and then in chgo over the years. I had the gift of going to the first night at Soldier field this past summer. I have seen them in many configurations since Jerry crossed and they sparked in Soldier Field. Some concerts I remember and some I’m happy to not remember.

    • Doc M

      I saw them in 69 and 70 at Fillmore East, I never quite got it, though I like 2 of their albums.
      Nothing against them, just my taste I guess.

      • daisy

        HEY Doc. was it River on Netflix you recommended ? Is it a short series with an end or a long one. don*t know if I am invested enough for a long one. So far so good. I like it

        • Doc M

          6 episodes that ends and really no room for a second series…and absolutely excellent. With my favorite actress Nicola Walker, It’s British and up there with the best!!!

          Can’t recommend it enough, though Broadchurch is also absolutely excellent in every way…also British.

        • Doc M

          Oh, forgot, Yes RIVER

    • daytoncapri

      I have real respect for you Robert. That being said, I once gained a Dead-head as a co-worker and team-member. He introduced himself in those terms. He was a very capable guy, but not always high-functioning. One day, he didn’t show up for work on time … and then another day … and then another … When it finally stopped, there was little said, but a palpable sense of relief. Later on, this guy was the chief operative in a political campaign.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    A video diary from the Bunker cats. We need to up our game.

    https://youtu.be/PKffm2uI4dk

    • Vaquera

      O.M.G. My sister and I are in tears.
      Septimus, however, is not amused. f5

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I laughed and laughed! So glad you enjoyed it πŸ˜€

        • Vaquera

          A classic.

        • daisy

          The cat videos reminded me of a grainy pretentious French film, they even had subtitles.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Yes, Daisy!

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        If Xenu was as sexy as this black cat then I might, just maybe, reconsider this whole $cientology thing.

    • Doc M

      That is so damn hilarious!!!!

      And so true.

      My god, how do these incredibly talented people come up with this stuff!

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Hilarious, having the kitty litter evenly distributed throughout the house struck a particular chord with me πŸ™‚

    • Doc M

      2nd viewing and laughed even harder. Just great!!!!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I watched it twice. There are a couple that made me laugh loud enough to wake the household!

        • Doc M

          The dog one is also great and so typical dog

    • Doc M

      This is just as funny for us dog lovers!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw1C5T-fH2Y

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Haha! Dogs are all about the butt. My brothers and I love embarrassed dog videos; sad dogs are almost as funny.

        • Doc M

          And testicle licking…funny as hell. Thank you Andrea!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Poops delicious candy? Bwahahaha. crying here.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          “I sneak one from time to time. They are delicious. Forgive me.”

          • Doc M

            The squirrel mocks me…..LOL

      • daisy

        I cannot thank you and Andrea enough , I will watch over and over.

  • Mockingbird

    Busy day Bunkeroos.

    Another post is up at Mockingbird’s Nest.
    This is on wins and gains in Scientology and lies in an abusive relationship. Not for the faint of heart.

    Loving A Lie

    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/12/loving-lie.html?m=1

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Glad you didn’t leave us after all.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. I don’t time my schedule right to start every day with the Bunker but I try to read each post within twenty four hours.

      • Mockingbird

        Despite the wishes of some, I yet live.

        • B4you

          dont say that MB. maybe someone don’t like you to look in there toolbox, but that’s about it!

    • beauty for ashes

      I haven’t read the article yet, but I have to admit I already relate to it. Who hasn’t though~ I wonder?

      • Mockingbird

        You may be reffering to abusive relationships or wins in Scientology. Both are discussed here.

  • SciWatcher

    One week, people!! One week, and the wait is over!!!!!

    • daisy

      I am so excited. Why?

      • SciWatcher

        Hahahaha…

        Because, THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          You could be Chris Shelton’s alter ego!

          • SciWatcher

            I get that a lot!

            • SciWatcher

              (Not really)

          • daisy

            Surprisingly I still didn’t get it til you mentioned Chris Shelton. I have a bit of a fan girl crush until he said he loved sci-fi. A deal breaker. ( says the deluded Daisy, yeah that is the deal breaker)

            • SciWatcher

              Haha, for me, that would just make the deal sweeter!

            • Frodis73

              Ha, me too.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              PS. It’s Chris’s birthday today. Or rather, it’s his birthday in my part of the world where it is 2:30am – the rest of you might have to wait a few more hours before it strikes Friday πŸ™‚

            • daisy

              I wrote him a big long post about his post and he didn’t answer. We are through .

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hahaha!

        • Damn… I missed “The Force Nods Off” – can I get it on DVD?

          • SciWatcher

            lol!!

            Need to wipe off my keyboard now

            • Don’t laugh – the film “The Madness of King George” was originally entitled “The Madness of King George II” (as in the second king with the name ‘George’).

              It was shortened because when the film company’s focus groups revealed that some people thought they had missed “The Madness of King George I” and wouldn’t understand the plot.

            • SciWatcher

              Hahaha! Ah, people. Gotta love ’em.

    • Frodis73

      I know…I am beyond excited.

      • SciWatcher

        Do you have your tickets yet?

        • Frodis73

          Actually, no. This will be the first time I have NOT seen a SW movie in the theater at midnight since the 90’s. Nobody I know wants to see it that much to go late and jump through hoops for tix. What will be hard is avoiding spoilers for a day or so…or buying a bootleg from a guy I know. It needs to be seen in the theater though, so I’m sure I can wait…avoiding spoilers will be hard though.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Aw, that’s too bad. I’d have taken you to see on the giant Imax screen.

            • Frodis73

              Ha! I just squealed like an 8 yr old girl crushing on Mark Hamill.

          • SciWatcher

            The theater in my area has a 4 am showing. I usually get up really early anyway, so it’s perfect. No one wants to go with me at that time, either, though, haha, so I’m going on my own! I say that I’ve been waiting 32 years for this, and they wonder why I can’t wait a few more days. Sheesh. Avoiding spoilers will definitely be hard. I promise I won’t let anything slip here πŸ˜‰

          • SciWatcher

            And, no, don’t bootleg! That would be such a disappointing way to see it first!

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, it needs to be seen on the big screen to really enjoy the FX. I cannot wait…I have a good feeling about it.

            • SciWatcher

              Me too…unlike with the prequels…well, we just won’t go there.

  • beauty for ashes

    Barely on topic, a song called “china” by tori amos which is beautiful although the video is chock full of kook.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pEfCe1-KTw

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      They do dry stone wall building holidays here to places like the Dales and the Lakes where you spend your days rebuilding walls that are hundreds of years old and it’s always appealed to me for some reason. Having said that, wtf? Is their dry stone wall a metaphor for the Great Wall, or something? πŸ˜›

      • beauty for ashes

        I totally get that. I have a silent agreement with Tori, that I will not make fun of the metaphors I do not understand, and feel free to interpret them as I see them. I think that’s the best way to experience most art anyway. πŸ™‚

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Aww, I love that πŸ™‚

          • beauty for ashes

            My sister was making a stone border on her yard, and I was helping her with it. It was addicting. πŸ™‚ I want to do that 100 year old wall thing WHEN I come visit you! <– thinking positively. πŸ™‚ And then go shopping with Pete Griffiths!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I get to do the shopping with you two, as well as building the wall, right?

            • beauty for ashes

              Oh Yes!!! That goes without saying!

      • Kestrel

        What a wonderful thing to do.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Well…Tori’s kinda chock full of kook herself. But I loved her first two records back in the day. Then the faeries took over and she lost me.

      • Juicer77

        Got dragged to her concert back in 1994. It was ok, but a huge exercise in self-indulgence. The audience was an afterthought. JMO.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I’m sure your take on this is spot on. She was in “exorcise Tori’s demons” mode in the mid-90s. Definitely self-indulgent, but it produced some lovely, raw-edged stuff on those first records. I never saw her live, so I don’t know what her audience interaction was like back then or now. Her fan base is pretty devoted, though.

  • villagedianne

    I finally got to listen to Chris Shelton’s latest. I am pretty sure that the Jewish cult Rachael Bernstein describes at the beginning of the video, is Kabbalah Centre. They have a belief that if you buy their Zohar (a Jewish religious book) and look at it every day, it will bring a spiritual benefit. You can’t read Aramaic? That’s OK, all you need to do is scan the book with your eyes. And they sell special Kabbalah water, too.

    • Doc M

      It’s definately Kabbalah, she didn’t hide it very well!

    • Doc M

      But I can get a case of the Kabbalah water much cheaper at Trader Joe’s

    • Juicer77

      Ugh.

    • Damn chicken won. This time.

    • Rasha

      ssshhhhhhhBAPBAPBAPBAPBAPBAPBAP– Fine!

    • Frodis73

      Lol. I can’t believe the chicken won.

      • I know, right?! Even after all the slapping. Damn chickenosaurus and their tiny asshole brains.

      • Fink Jonas

        he is a scientologist, he has purpose and intention.

      • Scream Nevermore

        My cats would have fragged that chicken’s ass!

    • here are two of the latest pics of tiny tommy fat cheeks shooting Reacharound 2 that I think our resident shoopsters might appreciate for future shoops

      • disqus didn’t post the 2nd one… here it is

        • Robert Eckert

          I want you to literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!!!

          • Mockingbird

            That is a bit harsh.

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s the Tom Cruise character in Tropic Thunder, screaming into his phone.

            • Mockingbird

              Method acting ?

          • beauty for ashes

            Soo not you Robert, it cracked me up harder!

        • KingofSweden

          Tom looks like he is either having makeup applied, or BT’s peeled off his face…

        • Fink Jonas

          PLEASE STAND UP! THANK YOU!

        • 0tessa

          Is he having a phonecall with his ashtray?

        • Juicer77

          Ermagerd! Phern curl!

      • speaking of Jack Reacher…. this is the guy who should have played him… also this movie looks fantastic!

        https://youtu.be/tyR-UqRom-c

        • Doc M

          Trouble is, the trailer just told the whole story, no need to see it now.

          • Frodis73

            I hate when they do that. It does like it could be good though.

      • Frodis73

        He looks terrible…again.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        F5 for a possible theory…

      • beauty for ashes

        tying his corset strings TIIIIIGGGGHHHTTER!!!!

      • Fink Jonas

        why is he holding his pants like that, like an old men.

        • Graham

          It’s his latest stunt.

          • Juicer77

            XD

  • Watching Tremors 5 on Netflix. True masterpiece of B rated movies.

    • Rick (“fReSh”)

      agreed! I just watched “Howard the Duck” another B movie that shoulda been an “A-Movie!” =P

    • Frodis73

      How funny, I keep seeing that pop up and think about watching but I haven’t yet. Lmk what you think. I did like the first one in all its camp.

      • Watch it. Tremors rule.

        • Frodis73

          I think we are the only two that like that movie! πŸ™‚

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            No way, it’s a cult classic………um a classic, sorry exes.

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, I always seem to forget that.

          • Madison KinSmed

            Love Tremors! So there are more than 2 lovers!

          • Jimmy3

            I love the original Tremors. I had absolutely no idea there was a 3, 4 and 5.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    OT, but I passed a big industry certification today at work and got a promotion. And thanks to Andrea, found out where I was “born”….erm molded. Good day.

    • Frodis73

      Congrats on the promotion!!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Thx.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Congratulations!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Danke

    • Madison KinSmed

      Congratulations on both the promo and the discovery. Good day, yea?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Yep.

    • beauty for ashes

      Woot Woot! Go Elro! Go Elro!

  • Kid Kat

    I hope Lee’s attorney is educated on the cult of $cientology. If not, I hope you California exes will fill him in pleeeeze.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Good point. Seems like it should be an easy win, but we all know that’s never the case against the cult.

  • i-Betty posted a link earlier today of some photos an amateur photographer took that happened to include the San Jancinto scientology facility… no one mentioned this at the time so I’m showing it now …strange thing to have outside…

    pic

    • Frodis73

      What strange thing are you talking about? The nutcracker? Or the car (at least I think it is a car)?

      • the toy soldier… nutcracker I guess… must be an American thing I guess

        • Frodis73

          Ah…yeah, the Nutcracker ballet is big at x-mas here. I honestly didn’t realize that it was just a thing in the States though…I thought the Nutcracker was pretty common at x-mas in the UK too.

          • it’s popular here too but I’ve never seen anyone use it as a door/entrance adornment before

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        My first impression of this vehicle was “Popemobile?”. πŸ˜‰

        • Juicer77

          Electric car? Fancy covered golf cart for tooling around the compound? I’ve seen one-seaters recently in the UK that are basically a bubble on 4 wheels, very much like this.

          • Graham

            Are you thinking of the Smart Car? http://uk.smart.com/uk/en/index/smart-fortwo-453.html

          • Paul V. Tupointeau

            I think you’re right; an enclosed (likely air conditioned) golf cart. The only people who would have such luxury at Gold are COB and Big Thetan #2, T.C.
            We found the COBmobile! :-))

            • Juicer77

              That was my guess. Everyone except those two Big Beans just has to hoof it!

      • Fink Jonas

        What is strange to me is the “there was no Crhist- Christmast wreath over the entrance, they don’t even care about Christmas so why the decorations? I don’t get it.

        • Frodis73

          They think it makes them look good, religious and normal. Unfortunately a lot of people fall for it.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Off-Topic: With a week to go until I see The Force Awakens, I’ve been watching my VHS-to-DVDR’s of the untouched original Star Wars trilogy. (F5)

    • Mockingbird

      Every time I hear of a Scientology court case it is a new hope the cult falls.

    • Frodis73

      When my house burned down my copies of the untouched trilogy were lost…heartbreaking. I would watch all three (well at least SW and Empire) a couple/few times a year.

      • beauty for ashes

        That sucks Fro. πŸ™ I hope those movies come back in your collections again sometime. I’m sure some things you lost cannot be replaced, but hopefully those will. πŸ™‚

        • Frodis73

          It was horrible and I do not wish it upon anybody. I know “stuff” shouldn’t matter, but it does when you literally loose everything except the clothes on your back and your dog. The personal mementos and photos were heartbreaking…the other stuff was very inconvenient and expensive. It’s been almost 6 years now and I still have not completely recovered emotionally, financially or “stuff” wise.

          • OOkpik

            πŸ™

          • daisy

            Frodis I didn’t know this. That is one of the worst thing that can happen. I am glad you and the dog got out. Losing all your stuff very upsetting. You certainly have more than your share of tragedy. I am so glad you are here.

          • beauty for ashes

            I had to move quickly to Florida to live with my parents due to illness. At first my Mom agreed to let me fill a Pod with my things and then have it shipped down to florida. Eventually she nixed that plan and all I could keep was what would fit in my car. Everything else was donated to Salvation army. It all happened so fast. Sometimes I will go looking for something, and not believe its gone. Its traumatic.
            I know a fire is different, but I can relate nonetheless. One thing that helped was my art therapist talking about what it is to a woman to nest. How connected we are to our surroundings. How each item in our brain speaks to us. Hmmm. yes, it is almost as if my loved belongings speak to me.
            It was just as important for me to know why I was so grieved, and to have permission to grieve. <3 <3 <3

    • Juicer77
    • Robert Eckert

      You don’t actually have the original untouched trilogy if it starts “Episode IV A NEW HOPE”. When the first movie it was called “Star Wars” period.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        They retitled it “A New Hope” in the original home video release once it was clear they would be able to make a trilogy. So technically, it is.

        • Robert Eckert

          I wonder if any bootleggers have video of the original untouched movie as it was when I took my little brothers to see it, or if that it gone forever.

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            The latest DVD has the untouched version alongside the Special Edition.

  • Missionary Kid

    OT. I was out to dinner tonight in Banning. I happened to sit next to a couple and struck up a conversation. He was from Hemet and we talked about different things for a while and finally I asked him about $cientology. I could tell he was just about ready to explode and his girlfriend motioned for him to calm down.

    It turns out that he absolutely hates $cientology, and he’s got a friend who has been fair gamed for years after the friend left. The guy at dinner has no sympathy for the cult at all. They have done an excellent job of PR in the community. NOT.

    • Frodis73

      I love hearing from outsiders that have stories. I keep hoping that as the PR gets worse the residents of CW, LA and Hemet will all unite and start speaking out too. They would add to the voices about sci but from a different viewpoint and I think it would help a lot.

    • Scientology has bought a lot of property surrounding Int Base. I’ve wondered how friendly those offers were.

      • Missionary Kid

        I don’t know how friendly those offers for property were. The person I was talking to was pissed off about $cientology not paying any taxes. That was just one of the things he was angry about.

  • Vaquera

    edit to replace (the former was too…idk, something.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoI8meVAySE

    • beauty for ashes

      O o Must send to my friend, she loves Ray, and I love Damien. Thanks V!

  • Wayne Chin’s Success in Scientology page:

    One of the biggest things that I’ve gained from Scientology among many is that I discovered who I am. From the time I was four I was trained to think in a certain way about myself and life in general. And I knew in my heart there is more to life than just making a pile of money until old age and die. Scientology has put meaning into my existence and has helped me to regain my true purpose from long ago.

    Too bad Scientology told him his purpose was to make a pile of money and give it to them until old age and die.

    • Liberated

      Poor schmuck.

    • beauty for ashes

      Oh the irony…. it buuurns.

  • Is Bill Johonnesson Skip Press’ Bill Johonnessen?

    My Past Life in Scientology June 27, 2012, Skip Press, Morton Report

    No doubt Skip has already answered down-thread, but too tired to look.

    There’s also a Bill Johannesson in the completions with a singleton rundown. Probably a typo.
    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/b/bill-johannesson.html

    • Frodis73

      Hmmm…Skip did stop in, but it was to rant about Islam. Maybe he posted earlier in the day about Bill. He usually chimes in if he knows somebody in the story.

  • Jimmy3

    “Over the past 3 months I’ve studied everything I could find about Dianetics & Scientology [*Note* Dianetics was the forerunner concept & book that led to Scientology. LRH’s first book in this field was “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health”and it’s the core foundation of The Church.

    Posted on December 10th, 2012. So he only started reading about Scientology online ~3 years ago. Of his own free will. Maybe he did briefly join staff somewhere, who knows. But that’s a lot different than his quote of joining staff in 2007. And it certainly sounds like he torrented everything they gouge you for early on, and he didn’t pay for it. Plus he still manages to type like a giddy, teenaged girl. So, please, don’t treat this clown like he’s a victim.

    Sorry to “put you on blast”, Rick. But there are Bunker readers who wake up with tears in their eyes because they haven’t spoken to someone they truly love in quite a long time. And you want to play the sympathy card because you’ve read about it online for a few years? You dabbled in it? Did your toes get wet?

    Enough preying on Bunker compassion.

    • perth’sup

      Here, here Jimmy. We’ve both been sus of aka FreSh since day one. Clearly a Dick. Good on you bro.

      • Jimmy3

        I thought he was just a funny sock character. Are funny sock characters not real? :(((

        • perth’sup

          Funny socks are real, but only the kind your family gives you at Christmas.

        • perth’sup

          Some people here went nuts when I posted “Monkey Knickers is back” as a direct warning on him.
          Just because I’m a bit of an asshole from time to time, doesn’t make me wrong.

          • Andrew Robertson

            I’m inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt even when my suspicions are aroused. But I eventually get irritated when it becomes obvious that personas are fake.

            “There’s a face that we hide till the nighttime appears,
            And what’s hiding inside, behind all of our fears,
            Is our true self, locked inside the faΓ§ade!”
            (From the musical ‘Jekyll and Hyde’)

            Andrew

          • Jimmy3

            I know what you mean, but this isn’t the knickers. But if you’d like an extra dose of paranoia tho, someone named “beaver state singer” replied to an old comment a few months ago and told me they were pretending to be an ex-Scientologist and that the Bunker was buying it. They were claiming to be monkey knickers. Whether that is actually MK or someone playing off her infamy is kind of irrelevant. There are trolls here, and they don’t announce what the fuck they want. They just play some stupid-ass games that no one really cares about.

            So… what I’m saying is SUSPECT EVERYONE.

            Let me scan your card

            • Frodis73

              That is just fucked up, sick and mean.

            • Jimmy3

              You have an ez-pass badge. I don’t have to scan your card.

            • B4you

              It’s very very hard to pretend to be $cio with on hands experience. You would know tons of stuff, others never heard about and can be verified with ease.

            • Jimmy3

              And if you’ve just been reading and listening to Hubbard on your computer, and you suddenly considered yourself a Scientologist from the privacy of your home… but then a few years later you posted to a message board saying you had just left a cult…, and good, caring people showed you love and compassion that you didn’t deserve, well…

              I’d tell you to fuck off.

            • B4you

              I would say the same to you and he does not seem to me that he needs any compassion.
              Don’t get me wrong, keep checking on him.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s like we’re speaking a different language. I have absolutely no idea what you mean. I’m not gonna keep checking on this guy. I just didn’t want the bunker to fall for bullshit again.

            • B4you

              yeah i have noticed that. I really tick you off don’t i?

            • Jimmy3

              No.

            • B4you

              well now i am confused πŸ™‚ lets skip this part!

            • Jimmy3

              Fine with me.

            • James Morris

              If they’re faking getting out, how about we shower them with FAKE love and compassion? We can deliver it properly and realistically but over the top and without the smile touching our eyes. Nothing stirs paranoia like standing inside a group of sheep–that seem…somehow…wolffish.

            • perth’sup

              I know it wasn’t Knickers just using it as comparison bro.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              He isn’t the first attention seeker, spy or troll to come here and he wont be the last.
              I don’t have a card, but I can scan my arse on the printer and send you that if you want. Its almost as good as a fingerprint. JK.

            • Jimmy3

              No JK. No more JK. I need to see your arse printout.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Here’s my arse pic. Hope it is in focus. πŸ™‚

            • Jimmy3

              Ok. Carry on. πŸ™‚

          • Missionary Kid

            Just because I’m an asshole all the time doesn’t make ME wrong. πŸ˜›

    • Frodis73

      Good job J3. I was also suspect of him for some reason from his first post…and I am usually pretty bad at that stuff. Your last paragraph sums things up very well and I hope he takes your message to heart.

      • Jimmy3

        A beloved Bunkerite pointed out that someone had called him on this shit the other day and then promptly deleted their comment. I don’t know why. But they are the ones to thank.

    • B4you

      The kid checks out (imo), he is all over the web!
      If he is up to no good, he does a really bad job around it!
      If its you, jimmy, posting your concerns all over the exes forums, your doing a good job about or your not alone with this concern!
      Keep digging πŸ™‚ it’s good practice!

    • Missionary Kid

      Damn, I hope you don’t check me out. You’d expose me as a 17 year old, working in the spare bedroom, cribbing stories *Joking*

      Good work, J3.

      To quote Tory, “Don’t trust anyone you haven’t met in person.”

      • perth’sup

        You’ve spent countless hours compiling a list of hilarious names for all things Clammy. I’d question my own motives before I cast doubt on yours.

        • Missionary Kid

          You haven’t met me. πŸ˜€

          Thanks for the vote of confidence. πŸ™‚

      • ReallyMGM

        An addendum: Don’t trust even some you have met (or others have vouched for.) They might not be a troll, “sock,” or OSA, but still might be a jackass nonetheless. 🐴

        • MostEthicalPimp

          *touches nose*

        • Missionary Kid

          πŸ˜€

          I happen to believe that OSA will be at Howdycon. I’m planning on going anyway.

          It will be interesting to meet everyone IRL.

    • Juicer77

      This guy has a Ph.D. in Overshare with a minor in Close Talking. His comment history is… interesting, to say the least.

      • James Morris

        And he takes night classes in Not Finishing.

    • Sandy

      Thanks, Jimmy3 for saying something. I’ve been worried about this one.

  • Fink Jonas

    Such a give away, I Googled Lucida products hopping to see the products or at least the building they operate on, and this is what came up, on the images section of the research bar.

    • I bet they make power bands. It would go with the con.

    • daisy

      Rubber face, rubber brain.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Probably came up due to the media coverage…

  • salin

    Sleepless. My generation cousins arrived today in preparation for Mom’s memorial Saturday am. So much to do tomorrow (including formally writing a eulogy) – while it feels like sleep walking. Many moments feel both like they are a blur – and that they are seared into memory. The power and energy given by friends and family continues to be priceless. Closest childhood friend, whose life has intersected with mine both at home, and later when we were both tied to a west coast U (she a post-doc, me a grad students), dropped everything and will fly in tomorrow – and not only make the memorial, but will ‘babysit’ me that night – while we, just like many evenings in our youth, in our twenties and in our thirties – stay up late, philosophize (and in this case, have a safe and comforting place for flowing tears).

    I can’t imagine going through this with disconnection.

    I can’t imagine going through this given little or no time to be present and work through the emotions (as is my understanding of the Sea Org and it’s non-flexibilty to its members to deal with the death of a loved one.)

    I can’t imagine attempting to deal with the idiosyncratic ways that each person deals with grief, in a space where a tone-scale dictates reactions.

    I can’t imagine that any emotional reactions (like finding oneself frozen for a few hours), and having a philosophy that would indicate that the ‘frozen-ness’ was the result of an action of mine, rather than recognizing the human nature responses to such crises.

    While I am supported through the painful transition of life of losing a loved one, I am constantly reminded of the contrast – and it makes me want to fight for those who do not have the support I have, or do not have access to loved ones, or the recognition by those around (both professional space, and personal space).

    Throwing out heaps of great appreciation to the Bunker for your support, and to my RL/local support system that has welled up around me.

    • Frodis73

      I am glad you will have your friend to lean on tomorrow. This is a beautiful post and I am also baffled at how sci’s process grief. They are so cold it is beyond description. I had two unexpected losses at the same time when I was 20 and it nearly destroyed me. I cannot fathom being told to suppress my grief, rage etc. and to just get on with life. It is not normal or healthy. (Hugs)

      • salin

        Exactly. My personal walk in grief – while I continue to try to understand and speak out against damaging practices of Ron – make that contrast strike me hard between my eyes.

        Am sorry that you experienced those losses in such quick succession. Long belated (hugs).

      • James Morris

        My impression is that you didn’t let the horror turn you mean, that you’ve learned to use this to see your way to give a helping hand where another needs succor and aid.
        I’m glad.
        You’re a big being…a big HUMAN being!

    • Ella Raitch

      {{{{hugs}}}} Salin, and thanks for reminding us to cherish those small things that make us human, like commiserating with others in a moment of personal tragedy.

      • salin

        Thank you Ella Raitch. Underscore your message.

    • Let in the love. Let out the grief. Take good care of each other.

    • Liberated

      You have people around you who love you. They will fill your heart with the comfort you need. You’ll be fine, sweetheart.

    • James Morris

      Take care.
      And, also, be careful. I’ve my share of scarring tragedies and expect to see more in time. What I’ve discovered is that the adage of “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is an outrageous platitude. You only get worn down. You can get so worn, you’ll cease to function.
      Please, for your sake and for the sake of those who depend upon you most, remember to see to yourself and your health. Sometimes firstly.
      My sympathies. Please get better.

      Foot note: I know all about the insomnia. It’s supposed to be normal, but that somehow doesn’t help. I can, however, say it gets better.πŸ’πŸ’

    • Juicer77

      Well said.
      Artoo45 said it best, below. (hugs)

    • OOkpik

      Salin, warm thoughts go with you. (((Hugs)))

      • daisy

        To think that you are going through this and still able to consider victim is so beautiful . Hugs

        • OOkpik

          Daisy, I think you meant your reply to be for Salin.

          • daisy

            Yes I did but you are beautiful too. The hugs stand.

            • OOkpik

              Aaaw, thanks. Right back acha.

    • ReallyMGM

      Salin, my sincerest thoughts and prayers during your time of sorrow and reflection. You will be supported by your Bunker family in spirit. I am glad you have a special friend to be with you; what a blessing to have her with you.

      Please take time for yourself, and don’t put a time limit on your grief.

      {{{hugs}} to you, your family and friends,
      Really MGM

    • daisy

      Salin Just when I think I couldn’t admire you more, you top yourself . Being able to consider other people in pain, when you are just as hurt ,beautiful and generous. Enjoy your friend. Old friends are a blessing.

    • Scream Nevermore

      *Hugs*. Salin, your eulogy for your mum will be eloquent and given by a loving heart. Two things, as you say, that Scamatology robs so many of. Bask in the love and support of your family, for that’s what will get you through the day.

    • Illinoisian

      Everything will come together as it should — and you will make it through the day. Sending you love and hugs.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So glad to know that you are surrounded with such care and love. How very very kind of you to think of those who don’t have what you have at this hour of sorrow and loss. And yes, the Bunker is a very very special place. You’ll get through this and sounds like you will have plenty of people around you to all share precious memories of a dear person in your lives. Those memories will always be with you. Sending you our love and thoughts. If I could, I’d bake you something and bring it over. It’s an Irish thing πŸ™‚

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Aw, Salin…I hope you were able to finally get some rest last night. How wonderful that you will be surrounded by family and friends these next few days. How selfless of you to think of those who do not have that kind of support system for their grief. I’m sure the eulogy you deliver will be a beautiful and unique celebration of a beautiful and unique life.

  • Juicer77

    *KEYBOARD PROTECTION WARNING*
    Thanks, Media Lush! I simply could NOT resist… (f5)

  • Susan B.

    That’s great that Annie Lee was able to file a lawsuit. How much more obvious could Johonnesson have been about forcing religious beliefs, worse that that, the brainwashing of a cult on employees? Here’s some info I found on a complaints board about Lusida. Scientology is mentioned.

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/lusisa-rubber-alhambra-california-c404858.html

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      “In the past David slaps male workers if they do not meet sales quota.”

      “…abuse, yelling, hitting…”

      “David’s abuse is not limited to strangers. He called the police on his father.”

      Sound familiar? For a minute there, I thought they were talking about David Miscavige!

      • Susan B.

        Me too, I did a double take.

    • B4you

      good find!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s been linked earlier and yes, this David could be The David’s replacement!

      The scenario described is not unlike many, actually the majority, of scientology run businesses. They are to be avoided at all cost!

  • Lady Squash

    Nice interview Chris. Thank you.

  • B4you

    ISIS is a rubber duck!!! I knew it!

    #Daesh #Daeshbags pic.twitter.com/oInQixCAKK— alessio (@chiello82) December 11, 2015

    • B4you

      I don’t get this twitter-copying-stuff. I really don’t.

    • OOkpik

      This is a rubber duck. F5

      • B4you

        I remember that one, they are all over. Great symbol!

  • Scream Nevermore

    Given the USA’s whole freedom of religion thing, one would hope that the Dread Midget Miscavige and his merry band end up in court over this, and don’t get to do one of their usual Houdini numbers instead.

  • Kay

    I think that Amnesty International would be a bit miffed to see their logo prominently displayed on the sign that is being carried in that picture of India. (yellow logo upper right corner)
    THAT is extremely distasteful !!
    Here is the logo off of Amnesty International’s website: How appalling of them to hijack this and use it to give themselves some “legitimacy”. I am a member of Amnesty International, and I am going to inform them of this.

    • B4you

      Others have send complaints to them, so your not alone! It’s despicable…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      One thing I can say for scientology – they are indeed an equal opportunity con. They discriminate, manipulate and piss off everyone and every organization equally.

  • Meepthorp

    does amnesty international know that scientology international is using its logo/name?

  • Sir Derf

    The Lusida thing… The Scientology crooks snuck in there thanks to one dimwitted idiot who fell for the frauds, and the company dove right down the toilet because of it. The dimwitted idiot who dragged the company down with it tried to force all other employees to buy the Scientology fraud and when it was found that the employees actually THINK for themselves and wouldn’t buy the bullshit frauds, the dimwit started firing the employees and hiring dumbfuck Scientology idiots who would, thus driving the company further in to the shitter.

    Classical Scientology “management tech.”

  • Van Torrance

    Frivolous. The plaintiff has complained that “wearing multiple hats” is a religious belief, and that the “religion” of working together in an organization is contrary to her own religion. Further, she has been “brainwashed” with the idea that coordination is an important practice of good management.

    Who will cover this story when the lawsuit is dismissed or overturned?

    If ANY part of this story turns out to be true, we can be sure that it was NOT Scientology that was being promoted. Scientology does NOT require a person to “convert” or to give up their existing religious beliefs.

    That is, unless this person’s religious belief was that she is owed a job no matter how lazy or insubordinate she might be. If she can make that fly, she might have a case!