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‘Babywatch,’ day one: Lisa McPherson raves out by Scientology’s holiest swimming pool

FHCabanas

[The cabanas of the Fort Harrison Hotel facing Osceola Avenue]

After spending several hours at Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater, Florida, Lisa McPherson arrived at the Fort Harrison Hotel late on a Saturday night, and already some questionable decisions were being made about her care.

At the hospital, following Lisa’s bizarre behavior of taking her clothes off and walking down the middle of the road after a minor car accident, psychiatric nurse Joe Price had questioned Lisa about her state of mind. He found that although she spoke with an odd cadence, her answers were lucid, and she didn’t appear to be a danger to herself or others. He decided that she didn’t meet the criteria for being “Baker Acted” and held, with or without her consent, for a full psychiatric evaluation.

But the attending physician, Dr. Flynn Lovett, was heard to argue with Price, and it became clear that Lovett disagreed and wanted to keep Lisa at the hospital. Eventually, he relented, but only after one of the Scientologists who had come to the hospital, a medical liaison officer named Judy Goldsberry-Weber, promised that she would take care of Lisa and watch her closely.

“He pointed his finger and he just shook it at me and just was vehement in his manner,” Judy later told police about what Lovett told her that night: “I’m holding you personally responsible and if anything happens, I’m gonna nail you.”

Judy planned to take Lisa in her car, and she assumed they would be taking Lisa back to her home to rest. But instead, senior case supervisor Alain Kartuzinski took Lisa in his car, and drove her to the Fort Harrison Hotel, Scientology’s most holy site, the jewel in its “spiritual mecca.” He assigned the facility’s senior medical officer, a woman named Janis Johnson, to oversee Lisa’s care. Judy, meanwhile, had promised Lisa that she just needed to run home for some clothes and things and then she’d join Lisa to keep an eye on her. But when she got back to her place at the Hacienda, an apartment complex owned by the church where many Sea Org workers lived, she was told by Humberto Fontana, an Office of Special Affairs executive who had also been at the hospital, that she had done enough that day and that her roommate, Susanne Schnurrenberger, was going to spend time with Lisa.

Judy was upset. She tried to explain to Fontana that she’d just promised Dr. Lovett that she would be the responsible party. But Fontana wouldn’t budge. (Later, when he gave a sworn statement to police, Fontana said that he didn’t remember seeing Kartuzinski at the hospital — even though Alain had been the one to drive Lisa to the hotel — and he denied that he had anything to do with deciding how Lisa would be cared for.) Judy knew there was no point arguing with an OSA officer, and she heard nothing else about what was happening with Lisa for a couple of days.

Schnurrenberger may have been chosen over Judy because she had previously worked with Lisa in late June, when Lisa had previously experienced a mental breakdown and expressed suicidal thoughts to her friend Brenda Hubert. When Scientologists “go Type III,” or have a psychotic break, they are supposed to be subjected to something called the Introspection Rundown. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard announced that he’d discovered the counseling process in 1973, and that it “possibly ranks with the major discoveries of the twentieth century.” With Scientology now able to handle the worst mental cases, he said, there was no longer any reason for psychiatry to exist.

Inside Scientology, however, Hubbard’s great invention got a nickname: It was called the “babywatch.” (At one point, when an investigator in Lisa’s death asked a Scientology official about that term, he was threatened with a defamation lawsuit if he continued to use it.)

The key to helping someone in mental distress, Hubbard theorized, was to put them in isolation and remove outside stimuli — to give them the silent treatment — until they calmed down and then were “sessionable” and could undergo a complex regimen of auditing. In June and July, Susanne Schnurrenberger had led Lisa through that process, making sure she got rest, ate properly, and then got her through the rundown’s auditing processes. By the end of it, Lisa seemed better.

Now, several months later, Lisa was in far worse shape. And over her first two days at the Fort Harrison Hotel, Schnurrenberger was assigned to watch Lisa around the clock to try to calm her down.

Lisa had been installed in Room 174, one of the ground-floor cabanas on the far side of the hotel’s pool area, which line Osceola Avenue. Janet Reitman, in Inside Scientology, explains what Lisa’s caretakers were instructed to do:

The instructions for the watch were simple. The caretakers were to provide Lisa with water and whatever food was available from the cafeteria, plus daily doses of Cal Mag [a calcium and magnesium supplement that Hubbard had sworn by] and various other vitamin and mineral supplements. The caretakers were to keep a log of Lisa’s food and fluid intake and also note her behavior. If she needed to talk, they should let her, but, per Hubbard’s guidelines, they could communicate with her only by writing notes. Every day they were to submit their log to the senior case supervisor, who would determine when Lisa was well enough to be audited.

And that first full day, twenty years ago, on Sunday, November 19, 1995, Lisa wanted to talk. And talk.

According to the (misdated) log kept by Susanne Schnurrenberger, in the afternoon Lisa had eaten a small bite of turkey and spaghetti, three quarters of a banana, and had managed to get down a cup and a half of Cal-Mag.

Susanne indicated that Lisa would talk and talk, and then would stare at a spot in space. She also walked around the room like a robot, Susanne noted.

“I created time 3 billion years ago and now I am dramatizing it since then,” Lisa said at one point.

“I am L. Ron Hubbard and I didn’t confront it because I didn’t confront that power,” she said at another.

At one point, when Lisa awoke from an afternoon nap, she seemed to think Susanne was her mother, Fannie, and said there was a party at the pool that the two of them were invited to.

In the evening, Lisa began simply staring at the light fixtures. She also talked about cleaning the floor of her hotel room with her toothbrush until she had a “cognition,” or epiphany.

She was also challenging Susanne, trying to “push her buttons.”

“She says I am her and she is controlling my body,” Susanne noted in her log. And after saying that, Lisa then kissed her on the mouth.

“Once I let her sit outside for five minutes,” Schnurrenberger noted. “Then she kissed me twice on my face and stared at me. Later she said how wonderful my skin is.”

But Susanne didn’t react, staring emotionlessly in what Scientologists refer to as having their “TRs” in, and Lisa stopped trying to provoke her.

In the evening, Susanne convinced Lisa to eat a tuna sandwich — something Lisa usually liked very much — and also got her to drink two cups of Cal-Mag and take her vitamins.

Then, another provocation: When Susanne was writing her log entries outside the room, Lisa came out to join her. Susanne then led her back into Room 174, and Lisa put her hand on Susanne’s stomach and ran her tongue over Susanne’s face.

She also touched Susanne’s breasts as she talked about what her mother’s were like. And she talked about how she would fool her mom and sneak away when she was younger.

“Out of control,” Susanne noted.

And Lisa’s stay in Room 174 was just beginning.

 
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  • Liberated

    I was just wondering,when little Davey was an LRH messenger did he wear a halter top and short- shorts too?

    • Eclipse-girl

      there was sexism in them thar CMOs
      only the young girls / women had to dress in halters and short shorts.

      • Liberated

        Too bad I was hoping for an affirmative response, if yes I think I would have slept better tonight.

        • Eclipse-girl

          If DM had been in short shorts and a halter, can you imagine the jokes? OBS a shoop is required. one with DM on the apple crate filiming?

          Ron was a misogynist. He had no need to humiliate boys, men in they way that he did females

          • Sherbet

            Doesn’t Observer have DM shooped into a chic little romper outfit and sandals?

            • Eclipse-girl

              I want it with his cute butt cheeks at the camera

            • Sherbet

              Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let’s put that to a vote.

          • Liberated

            Yeah, I know Ron hated women. Just look at the way he treated his wives.

            • Eclipse-girl

              his daughters were not treated any better – with the exception of Diana.
              Once Ron died, I do not know how well Diana was treated.
              I suspect Davey was not kind.

            • mon elle

              Ron is to women’s rights what _______________ is to _______________.

            • Eclipse-girl

              good game

              oili to water

            • Sherbet

              Mama June is to healthy cooking

            • daisy

              My ass is to skinny jeans.

            • mon elle

              LOL my dear.

              Why have I let myself get sidetracked talking to elle when I have you?

            • daisy

              I can*t blame you, Elle is so much more funny and she doesn’t even try.

            • Sejanus

              a jackhammer is to a sidewalk.

            • Sejanus

              Taco Bell is to a deuce.

            • mon elle

              I don’t understand that one. Unless I don’t want to understand that one.

    • beauty for ashes

      Yes but they were long on him.

      • Liberated

        Thanks, you made my evening . I am now happy.

        • beauty for ashes

          Woo Hoooo! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

      • Rasha

        *SNORK*

  • Spackle Motion

    So it’s been a slow day at the Bunker, I see.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Great. I have literally a few minutes to peek in and… I’ve… missed something.

    Again.

    • daisy

      Not true. We shut up early when your not here.

  • Baby

    Really O/T Long Story but wanted to explain what I have been up to. ( Part 1)

    My friend Tami was approached by ” CW” who had a proposition for her. Tami is known for her Baking skills. The woman asked Tami if she would be willing to go into business with her and CW would be a ” Silent Partner.” She gave Tami a Credit card with $5,000 to buy supplies and equipment for the Bakery. And the details were ironed out at a meeting ie money arrangements.

    She was so excited. She needed help immediately. The Baker who ran the Bakery previously left in the dead of night claiming personal problems. ” CW owned the building.” So Tami and I got to work. The previous baker left cupcakes still on the trays.. and it would have been impossible to ever pass a Health Inspection. She poured black paint in the toilets. It took us weeks of scrubbing.

    Every surface, under sinks ..OMG the oven. We literally took turns with it because it was impossible to get the gunk out of it. And every rack in oven was destroyed. The kitchen sink had a bowl under neath for the water that came out of the drain trap. Tami took it apart and I literally had to run to the bathroom to throw up because there was so much hair in it..

    We worked hours..days.. weeks cleaning and scrubbing the floors. CW ensured us that the place was licensed for 6 people to sit and have coffee and say pie/ doughnuts. Tami could also use the Outside yard, but of course it was a mess..

    So we mowed and edged the lawn.. planted beautiful flowers. Brought plants ..Painted the fence with flowers and beautiful birds. Bought tables to put outside and it was stunning. We mulched and put pavers down. It would have been perfect for a bridal shower/ birthday party or just to sit and relax.

    We painted the entire inside. We were very proud of the work that we had down. Instead of replacing tile Tami and I painted the floor and it looked beautiful. Went to thrift shops for baker’s rack, dry sink ( we painted) to put home made bread on.

    So we were getting really excited. Beyond Excited. We were getting up at 5 am and working until 2:00am and consisting on caffeine and adrenaline.

    Yes Tami was getting paid a salary while she did this ( I wasn’t because I am her friend and volunteered) but when it was figured out she was getting like $2.00 an hr.

    So CW announces that the bakery had a wall up that the Baker did not have a permit for. We had to arrange an engineer/ contractor to draw up plans..to get an approval for the wall.. NOPE wasn’t meant to be. Wall had to come down. ( another delay)

    The bakery had a Catering truck ( Paneled truck like an Ice cream truck ) with a window. We were going to go to local events and sell pastry..plus a fryer for doughnuts and funnel cakes. Of course when the business was up and running I would be getting paid.

    Truck didn’t work. So of course Tami had to take it to garage to get it fixed.. Oh and there wasn’t a key to the truck. Had to get one made. It has never been driven since Tami took over. Doesn’t work. Also OMG filthy..I mean filthy.

    It had never been cleaned. Again days cleaning this freakin truck .. It had like cockroaches..and just filth.. Grease from the fryer ( We had to buy a fryer) that had built up to a gagging level inside. Covered in dead ants and flies.. and moldy food left over from a year ago still on the shelves. It was GAG City.. It was so overwhelming we just threw 2 buckets of water in it and both of us doubled up in laughter at the absurdity of the situation.

    CW announced that the County would NOT approve of any seating..either inside or out. It was licensed as a Take out Bakery only. WAIT.. WAT? All that work on the yard..that no one would see.. The darling dining area that we spent hours savaging for furniture and table cloths ..and paintings..We WERE LIVID. Tami would never have done the deal had she been told she couldn’t have one space for someone to relax..or have parties.

    She had scheduled several intimate meetings with local clubs to enjoy the Bakery and if it were a larger meeting have them outside.

    Then after having signs made informing the public that we were having doughnuts and funnel cakes made on the spot we were told that we could NOT fry inside. WAIT WAT? We had done our homework . We purchased a fryer that did NOT require a hood.

    But NOPE.. and we would totally have to remodel the kitchen to accommodate this. That would have been a huge seller. There are NO doughnut shops on the island. We have many fishermen on the island that go to the bait shop and want coffee and doughnuts to go. Many commercial fisherman and charters that want to take a breakfast to their customers.

    Tami was going to make these fabulous breakfast sandwiches with eggs, sausage/ or bacon on handmade croissants or handmade bagels. The word got out and the first day people were literally lined up.

    We had a soft opening.. We were open for maybe 2 1/2 hours. Tami tore a meniscus-torn knee cartilage. She was pain..She could only work just a short time. We made about $400 . We were so excited. Yay..

    So CW.. short for Crazy Woman.. who had been texting Tami non stop came in and told Tami that she didn’t want Tami to sell handmade pastries. ( ?) She wanted her to sell Desserts from BJ’s and Sam’s Club. WAIT..AM I HEARING THIS RIGHT?

    She says..” Tami, I can’t justify the cost of say..Your Cheesecake I buy all my desserts at Sam’s Club ..their cheesecake is delicious and it costs $14..Yours is $25..” Tami is know for her cheesecakes. She uses the best ingredients. It is a NY style. She puts Fresh strawberries/ Cherries on them. She got everything from the local farmer’s market. TO DIE FOR.

    So CW.. says, ” Tami you need to lose weight. ( CW just lost 30 pds and is too skinny and looks very unhealthy. Tami is beautiful with fabulous curves and so sweet. ) She is like 5’5″ and weighs maybe 150. She is just beautiful.

    She said, ” I saw you eat a cookie the other day and I wanted to slap it out of your hands..You are overweight and you and your food disgust me. ”

    I listened to this entire exchange as Tami..held her head in shame and said.. ” You can NOT talk to Tami that way..she looks beautiful and healthy and has worked her ass off for you. You should be ashamed of yourself. ”

    Tami looked at me like.. ” Thanks, but I love the bakery..” so I shut up.. and CW screamed at TAMI.. ” THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK IF YOU DO NOT LOSE WEIGHT.. and BUY EVERYTHING AT SAM’S CLUB.

    • Kristin Rawls

      So… How did Tami get this person as a partner without realizing how terrible she is? I guess you’re getting to this in part 2.

      • Baby

        I’ll answer in a second K.

        • daisy

          HURRY !!

      • Baby

        Kristin. Excellent question. Tami went over the details with me maybe 6 weeks ago.. What the woman was presenting was a ” To Good to be True Plan..”

        Tami said that she was a wealthy woman ( She was) that wanted to fulfill Tami’s dream. She said the woman was a bit “Quirky” and that CW would only be a Silent Partner and we would only see her when she came in for cupcakes.

        Tami was going to eventually buy the business from her. The woman owned the Building. So Tami was going to eventually pay rent and own the Bakery. Verbal handshake and lawyer was lined up for contract.

        CW kept putting it off..and putting it off.. making excuses..

        My first RED flag was when the Woman told us that she was the ” MOST hated woman on the Island..” HMMmmmmmmmmmm

        I thought she was kidding.. but she literally is. Tami did NOT do her homework. Because since then I have seen that she is blocked on the local paper for her ” Letters to the Editor..” Blocked on several FB pages concerning the island. Heard horror stories from others.

        Tami is very Naive and trusting. She just never dreamed up this scenario in a million years.

        OK so CW texted Tami yesterday. I will RENT to you only. Meet me at the DQ..
        Tami goes up.. excited at the prospect.. with her hubby for safety.

        ONE of the conditions is.. ” To restore CW’s Reputation in the community..” ( I swear to God)

        Tami and her hubby agreed to rent only.

        On the drive home Tami got a text that read IN CAPS.. ” THIS WILL NEVER WORK. FORGET RENTING..I WANT YOU OUT. AND TO STAY OUT. ” Lawyer back on.

        Also at the beginning I believe CW was on medication. She stopped taking them after Tami’s first meeting. It was as different as night and day.

        • Kristin Rawls

          HOLY SHIT. This gets weirder and weirder. Also, I’ve been there, at least in part. I tried to start an academic editing business with someone I didn’t know well, and that person was also offering funds that were too good to be true. But I desperately wanted to get out of what I was doing at the time, so I jumped into it. And it turned out that my business partner could not deal with other people. Like, at all. Luckily, I saw this before we got off the ground and got her to agree that we could stop pursuing the project. Otherwise… Wow, this sounds like it’s just gonna get uglier. I’m so sorry this is all happening.

          • Baby

            I told you just the very tip of the Iceberg.. OH I forgot to tell you guys that she sent Tami a text and said.. ” ONLY GIRLS ALLOWED IN THE BAKERY..”

            OMG.. we weren’t to serve men .. WTH.. can you imagine a sign on the Bakery door saying ” NO MEN ALLOWED..” She said that on the First that became the Last day.

            Sorry about your arrangement.. ugh.. This woman also couldn’t handle other people..Absolutely NO social skills. NONE. I would say..” Good Morning..” ( after having like an hr. sleep) and she would say, ” What’s so good about it..ugh.”

            • Kristin Rawls

              Not allowed to serve men? I don’t think that sounds legal, but… WOW, she’s really far gone. At this point, I’d say, “Get out, and get restraining orders against her.”

            • Kristin Rawls

              I’m not kidding. I think my first step would be the restraining orders. And then I’d find a lawyer to sort out the legal mess. Also, you’re both keeping copious notes of all of her erratic behavior, right? Write everything down in as much detail as you can!

            • Frodis73

              Yes!! Write down every detail and save emails, texts, etc.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Voicemail, everything. Do you have a record of her saying she thinks people are out to kill her? That she can’t trust you with the business? Screaming about Tami’s weight? Keep EVERYTHING.

            • Baby

              Tami is going down tomorrow for the restraining order. I am not worried about that piss ant.

            • Eclipse-girl

              well that is a way to garner a law suit.

        • Kristin Rawls

          Oh and also, “Most hated woman on the island.” I have learned the hard way to believe what people tell me about themselves. When I was more naive, I might have thought, “Oh, wow, this person is being honest and self-deprecating.” Nah.

        • Sejanus

          Well I am kinda figuring out why the place was so trashed when you ladies stepped in to clean and rework it.

          With everyone tossing ideas at you I do not think you need my two cents other than to say there are options..several in fact that are very workable. I do have one question though…perhaps I lost something along the way and if so I apologize… Other than sweat equity did you guys put your own money into the biz as well? Do you have receipts?

          Overall it sounds like CW was really trying to get someone to get business cleaned up and running without her doing any grunt work. You have my sincere empathy. I hates jackasses like that who use people.

          • Baby

            I put in just as a friend would do to help another.. Some really cute aprons to bake it.. ( Rev. Dee gave me one..a darling one) So I spent like $35. And magic markers.. and painted some signs and bought a cutting board.. and some containers etc.plants..

            So for me It was probably $100 .. not much, but I was just a friend..

            Tami.. I’m trying to think.. After the $5,000.00 start up that she went through quickly..( With CW approval) I think she probably spent an additional maybe $1,000 and was going to keep bakery on going by putting it back into the business.

            Tami saved every receipt. Every one. I took the aprons, and cutting board and plants home.

            Everyone in the community is saying that CW used us to Clean out the Joint.. Paint it up nicely.. clean the yard.. The front.. do maintenance. Get the Truck up and running.

            and her plan all along was to kick Tami out and then Stock it with BJ club and Sam Club items because where we live people don’t like to leave the area to shop.

            Thank you SJ.. She is a real Jackass.. One thing she got out of it was a spankin brand new Bakery.. But who in the hell is going to pay double for a Sam’s club cheesecake.

            I will really watch it closely.. ( and trust me.. People really despise her here.. and they know what she is planning to sell) and word travels fast around here..

            Tami has every word the woman sent her.. Chats, texts.. everything. and she is ready to sue. Sweat Equity for sure..We increased the equity of the building immensely too..

            • Sejanus

              Please let us know how it turns out.
              It sounds bad, but actually very actionable.

            • Baby

              Thanks SJ.. I am really curious how this will play out..I will let you guys know.

    • Sherbet

      Good God! This is madness. I can’t wait until Baby’s next installment.

    • beauty for ashes

      OMG, brb have to get a drink before I read this!!!!!! BABY STORIES!!!!!!!!!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Baby this really sucks and I haven;t even seen the second installment.

    • Beth

      oh my gawwd. What a b%#Β₯ !!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Find a lawyer quick and see if there’s anything you can salvage out of this mess. No matter what, working with this CW character in any capacity is going to be more of the same – If can’t afford a lawyer, go to legal aid.
      Hopefully you can get enough out of all this and start over with a real food truck – sounds like you’d do well –
      whatever – this CW is business POISON.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Or buy out this person. Do a GoFundMe — it’s not that hard to raise $5,000… You’re probably already thought of this. Will part 2 be up today?

        • Baby

          Kristin.. She could scrounge up the $5,000.. CW refuses to even rent to her.

          • Kristin Rawls

            CW owns the building?

            • Baby

              YES! Do you believe that. She has several buildings she owns. ugh..

          • pluvo

            As per your description she sounds like a psychopath. Kirstin should get out of there as soon as she can, IMO.

            • Baby

              It’s Tami..and YES she is DONE. Fini..

            • pluvo

              Yeah, Tami.. of course…my brain is about to shut down … should break away from the Bunker and go to sleep… sight.

          • Miss Tia

            And really, would you want CW as your landlady?!

            • Baby

              Really! She is a Poisonous Viper Fuckin Bitch..

            • Miss Tia

              she will be dealt with—legally and karmically!!! Your friend will have a lot of good will coming her way from the city having dealt with her!

            • Kristin Rawls

              Yeah, this is starting to sound more and more like an “It’s a Wonderful Life” scenario, in which the evil rich person owns the town.

            • Miss Tia

              never saw it, but she does seem like the town villain!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        btw, Baby, if Tami’s around same age – there are tougher laws with teeth this year in FL under elder abuse laws – and that especially includes financial – might be something that could help but legal aid would know what’s what.

        • Baby

          She is maybe 52-53

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Okay – and just read Part 2 – GoFundMe a foodie truck! Sounds serious – glad she is getting legal help fast.

            • Baby

              I talked to her today Hole.. She is healing right now and licking her wounds. That is an excellent idea.. thanks.. I will mention the truck to her when she’s ready to talk..

            • Kristin Rawls

              This story should be in your local newspaper. And the subject of a novel. It’s pretty riveting.

            • Baby

              Oh the shit hasn’t hit the fan yet Kristin..Tami asked me not to post anything in the area until she goes to court..

              She hacked Tami’s Bakery facebook page..( after she left) and i know that is a crime.

            • Kristin Rawls

              So… How often did you both have to interact with CW over the past month while you got the place in order? Has it been this bad the entire time, or did she recently have a psychotic break or…?

    • mon elle

      MUs really are problematic, I thought CW was referencing the TV network.

      Waiting for part 2. Note that you have folks willing to be a character witness in any trial.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I went through = and am stilling dealing with – unrelated shit

      ASSHOLES exist.

    • Frodis73

      What a story. Eagerly waiting to hear more!

    • Jimmy3

      What a bitch.

      And I would have eaten that floor cookie.

    • Sherbet

      The truck sounds like the food truck in the movie “Chef.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Was thinking the same thing! I loved that movie.

    • Baby

      This is obviously for Baby lovers.. Not about Scientology I apologize..

      Tami timidly replied.. ” I will not sell Sam’s Club pastries and call them my own. ” CW screamed, ” I AM NOT ASKING YOU I AM DEMANDING THAT YOU DO THIS. Tami started crying and I was holding her.. and she is saying to me.. ” Please don’t say anything we’ll work it out..”

      CW says ..” And I know you are paying Baby under the table..No one would work this hard for nothing.. ” OMG I was so pissed I was shaking. Again Tami gave me the look to not say anything..and answered..

      ” I haven’t paid her a dime..she is a true friend watching me build my dream. I was going to pay her once we opened full time..”

      CW seethed.. ” This Bakery won’t make it if you intend to hire an additional staff. Tami said..” I can NOT work from 6am-5pm everyday without another person during the busy hours. I will be making the breakfast sandwiches while baby handles the Coffee Station and counter. ”

      She screamed at Tami.. ” I’m done with you.. take your friend with you and GET OUT OF HERE. ”

      Tami sobbed as I held her ..We had worked for a month.. 60-90 hrs a week ( I am not exaggerating)

      At midnight Tami and I went to the bakery and cleared out what was hers ONLY. We looked at the Bakery cases filled with Pies, Cakes, Canoles, Muffins, Pumpkin Bread, Homemade breads.. brownies..Your typical old fashioned bakery.

      The next evening I called Tami and asked if I could talk to CW ..She said..” Yep..I’m NOT going back.”

      CW was in the bakery. ( Husband told me when he was coming back from fishing) It was 9:00PM..
      I walked in and said.. ” What’s going on?” She said..” What do you mean?” I said.. ” You know what I’m talking about.”

      She said.. ” Let’s talk..” While I was talking she rudely got up and walked around..not listening to me.. just being passive aggressive and fidgeting.

      I said ” You know how hard that we worked to get this bakery open right? We scrubbed until our fingers bled. It was a total pigsty and you know it. I said..” Please sit down when I talking.” She said, ” I know you both worked really hard and I love you for it (?)

      I said.. ” And you want Tami not to make any homemade pieces right? ” And she said..” It’s my business.. Tami is an employee..You don’t know the details.. You don’t know how much $ I have spent..”

      I said ” I know exactly what the deal is 49% Tami.. 51% you and the $ you put up was $5,000. Tami was to pay you back in increments and as the business developed you would receive profits and Tami would receive a salary..”

      She said.. ” I am videotaping you guys in the bakery because I think that both of you will lie about profits and rob me blind..” ( ?) I said.. ” What is your obsession with Tami and her weight?” She said ..” She is at an unhealthy weight and as a partner in business I want her to look her best. ”

      OK I won’t bore you with all the details..Let’s just say after an hr. of me remaining calm and her getting more agitated as I pointed out the errors in her thinking. I said.. ” I worked in Mental Health for years.” I believe her have a serious mental health issue. Have you just gone off your Meds?

      And she Screamed and said.. ” YES.. I HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS.. AND YES I HAVE GONE OFF MY MEDS..PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KILL ME.. YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND..”

      I stood up and said.. ” I feel bad for you.. I do..I feel bad for Tami and I feel bad for me. This could have been a successful business.. and she said.. ” If YOU DON’T GET OUT NOW I AM CALLING THE POLICE.. YOU COULD LOSE WEIGHT TOO.. ” I left her.. and I heard that 3 days later she had been kicked out of a Chamber Of Commerce Meeting.

      She is stalking Tami now.. Harassing texts ..going to her house at 2:00am ..Tami is getting a restraining order and is filing a law suit. And I am absolutely drained..but back to Bunker. Here is a picture of just one side we worked on.. We had 2 Bakery cases..refrigerated and the 2 blue tables were once for seating, but we used them for the breads..plus the Baker’s rack.. Crazy, huh? f5

      OH I forgot to tell you.. We passed the Health Inspection with FLYING COLORS..

      • Baby

        Tami and I..

        • Sherbet

          Great photo.

          • Baby

            Thanks Sherbie..xo

        • daisy

          Oh what a terrible time you have been having. What a good friend you have been. The cafΓ© looks darling. I hope the money is not all tangled up. I hope the RSO takes care of the stalker. It is a shame that humans don*t come with warning labels or a list of ingredients.

          • Baby

            Isn’t that the craziest thing that you have ever heard.. NUTS.. We did such a great job on that bakery daisy thanks.. Worked our asses off together. But laughed and called each other Lucy and Ethyl .. it was fun.

          • Baby

            Daisy what is the RSO? xo

            • Missionary Kid

              Probably, ReStraining Order.

            • daisy

              I thought it was the ancronym for Restraining Order. Not trying to be pretentious , thought I may have heard it on one of my law shows.

        • Jimmy3

          Good-looking women are good-looking.

          • Baby

            smooches..xo

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Did you meet this woman beforehand? You were a psych nurse or – sorry, senior brain farts – maybe you could testify with a background in psychiatry – that may help Tami’s case. Hope you both can pick yourself up – and Plan B –

          • Baby

            I have testified in many courtrooms and I was an Expert in my Field in many cases. I would show up front and center for Tami. I will sing like a canary.

            You know I’m fine.. Relived for me that I can finally get my sleep.. But of course Tami is devastated. She gave up a lucrative cleaning business for this. So hopefully her accounts haven’t gone elsewhere. thanks hole.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              ah like many are saying – trying to get some legal help and see what you can possible salvage. – but also that GoFundMe idea Kirsten had – for a foodie truck. Did you see that movie “Chef” that Sherb was talking about – if not, watch it! Don’t give up – get back up! hugs

            • Baby

              No I didn’t see Chef.. I need a laugh.. I will definitely encourage her to get back on that Horse and get that Foodie truck. There are so many possibilities. She’s just seeing the end of her dream. Pity Party has commenced.

            • Frodis73

              I agree with the others, you and Tami should sit down one night and watch Chef. Pretty sure it’s still on netflix.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh yes = pity part with all the right refreshments and the two of you watch that movie – it might be an inspiration, but it will definitely leaving you feelin’ good. It doesn’t have to be the end!

            • Baby

              I will try to watch it with her Hole.. I think that poor woman is in the fetal position now.. She is just devastated.. and That is why I am feeling not only helpless but Angry..errrrrrgh

            • Kristin Rawls

              So, let us know what ends up happening? I had been wondering why you weren’t around. I hope this gets sorted out soon.

            • Baby

              Thanks Kristin.. I hope for Tami’s sake it gets sorted out.. I will support her emotionally and spiritually.. but I am pretty much tapped out.

              I am not a materialistic person at all.. Clothes for me means shorts, T shirts and jeans. I have a dress to attend a wedding and a funeral.

              I am not looking for a job. I was really going to work for her part time maybe 2 days a week. So the extra money I would make was not important to me.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          great pix

          • Baby

            Thanks Hole. You can see how sweet she is.

            • Jimmy3

              Not that I think your friend is overweight, I think she looks damn good. But I don’t think this CW bitch has heard the expression “Never trust a skinny chef.” Your friend Tami could put on 100 lbs. and it would only look better. I know I want someone running a local bakery to be huge. That only makes it more authentic.

            • Baby

              Oh I said the same thing Jimmy.. I had a $100 bet with her that I would NOT put one thing in my mouth that she made. I worked for her once and gained 25# in a month and a half.

              and I faced her goodies daily.. but didn’t lose the bet.. She looks great and felt great. CW was miserable.

            • ObsessedReader

              We can see how sweet both of you are! xo

            • Baby

              Oh obsessed thank you. I was really on my absolute best behavior. We all know I have that ” Bitch Side.” but I held it in UNTIL Tami gave me permission to unleash it.

              But all I saw was an Unstable person in front of me.. So I talked to her gently, but firmly. She was just unraveling as I watched her. It was sad to see.

            • Kristin Rawls

              You sound like you were pretty diplomatic in light of the circumstances.

            • Baby

              I didn’t know if I was being VIDEOTAPED Kristen..hahahhaha..Plus I thought maybe Tami would still have a chance and CW would get on medication.

            • Kristin Rawls

              No, I mean, it sounds like you really held it together — and did’t say anything out of order at all.

            • Baby

              I held it together because I was positive that I was being videotaped and I knew that Tami was going to take her to court..I didn’t want CW to go to court with me Bitch slapping her on tape.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Not sure what the law is in Florida, or how long she was taping you before she told you… But in some states it’s illegal to record people without their knowledge (Or so I learned, I think, from an episode of The Good Wife). That may only apply to audio recordings, but I’d look into that too. This woman sounds like she may have broken a long list of laws.

              Of course, businesses in general seem to have a lot of leeway when it comes to recording employees and customers in the name of “preventing theft.” So I don’t know. Whether it was illegal or not, it’s just shady.

            • Baby

              kristin..you hit the nail on the head.. I will have to check that video taping law out in Florida.

              I would love those tapes played in court.. We worked around the clock. Plus I was painting the floor one night at Midnight in a T shirt and Underwear! haha..I didn’t want to get paint on my jeans.

            • ObsessedReader

              I’m sure that wasn’t easy! You are a rock and your friend is so lucky to have you.

            • Baby

              She would have done the same for me Obsessed.. Thank you.. and you bet your sweet AZZ it wasn’t easy.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yes, and you look great! Working like a slave looks good on you – Okay, I just had a flash – remember the Seinfeld episode about muffin tops. Maybe this won’t be a total loss – think “Donut HOLES” no really!

            • Baby

              Oh thanks.. I was pooped.. Yes..hahahhaha I love that Seinfeld Episode.. too funny.. Donut holes. Now I want a damn doughnut after resisting for a month.. sigh

      • Sherbet

        What a mess (the partnership, not the bakery). I agree with TH — Tami needs a lawyer.

      • kemist

        Wow, “CW” has some, uhm, issues. Serious ones.

        • Jimmy3

          I know, right? Someone is trying to kill her. Probably the same person who stole her meds. Fuck.

      • Kristin Rawls

        WHOA… So CW just went from bitch to scary in Part 2. Get a lawyer. Buy her out now, or get the lawyer to recoup Tami on everything she’s put into the business. Then change the locks, and do a camera sweep. Not sure what a camera sweep entails, but if she’s told you she’s got cameras on you…

        So I’m guessing CW was stable and on her meds when Tami went into business with her — and this is a new side of CW that Tami wasn’t acquainted with? That’s… Wow… I mean, that’s something CW had an obligation to tell her business partner given that it’s having such an impact on her…ability to deal with people.

        • Frodis73

          She went from bitch to scary really fast huh? I was waiting to hear Baby rip into her but then she got scary! Yikes!

          • Kristin Rawls

            Right? I was like, “Oh… Oh. Last time someone I knew was talking like this, they started accosting people with firearms.” No one died as a result, but that’s pretty terrifying if she’s thinking people are conspiring to KILL her.

        • Baby

          Yes she was stable as far as I knew Kristen. I wasn’t around her that much..She disappeared when we were busting our asses..

          One day I said to Tami..” We need a dryer rack in here..so that I can wash cleaning cloths by hand and hang them up..”

          Next day what do you know a dryer rack was in the bakery.. (?) You know she had cameras..

          I don’t know where she got the idea we were lying and stealing..

          ( I only wish..) ha

      • Frodis73

        Holy crap. I am so sorry that you are dealing with all of that. I feel sad for Tami having to loose her dream of a bakery like that. CW sounds a bit unstable…keep a close eye on things. Hugs and good vibes headed your way now.

      • beauty for ashes

        Oh my, this is so terrible. Oh Baby an poor Tami. Lots of love and light and hugs. You guys did a miraculous job. The bakery looks so sweet! I hope CW gets back on her meds ASAP and stops harassing Tami. This is just beyond. She owes you guys big time. <3 <3 <3

        • Baby

          Thank you Beauty.. I can’t imagine her being on Meds and renting to us. I know the Chamber of Commerce called the police on her and they were discussing the Baker Act. ( Committed in Florida)

          • beauty for ashes

            I just at least wanted her to stop tormenting you guys.

            • Baby

              You know she really tormented Tami.. she felt intimidated by me. But I felt helpless over the fact that Tami was so desperate to continue with the bakery..

              that she would not let me defend her. sigh.. I just tried to put out the fires that were spiraling out of control.

            • beauty for ashes

              I definitely got your helpless feeling. I can see soo many ways this situation would make you feel that way. You know you just HATE seeing someone offer to help someone with their DREAM and then fucking piss all over it! Wow that felt good to say! It’s happened to me , and I’ve seen it happen to other people. I just don’t get it.
              You Auntie Baby are a good friend though. MWAH MWAH MWAH!!!!!

            • Baby

              Hey Beauty.. I am going to watch a movie..just wanted you to know Tami and I met with the Sheriff tonight and we will be filing an injunction against CW.

              Well Tami is..I am her witness.. CW continues to Harass.. and just post Tami’s private messages to her on FB.. but altered the emails, chats etc. to make CW look good ( No one is buying it)

              she posted all of Tami’s information.. address..phone number etc. It was all taken down about an hr. ago by FB.. It was crazy..xox baby

            • beauty for ashes

              Oi vey! Its a good start and she should be proud that she is doing everything to protect herself. I’m sure its not easy. Thank you for the update!

      • Kristin Rawls

        Baby, are you in a position to buy out CW and run half of the business? I bet you’d be a great business partner!

        • Eclipse-girl

          she is correct. find out the math of what CW put in and see if you can swing it.
          CW wont sell at that price ,t ought.
          She will money for the sweat equity you and Tami put into the place

        • Baby

          Yes I offered in discussions with Tami and CW won’t rent to us. I am waiting to see who rents it next.. If she gets really desperate (CW) and on meds it would be a possibility Kristin.

          • Kristin Rawls

            I would not rent from this woman under any circumstances. Cut all ties. Before, I didn’t realize she owned the building.

            • Baby

              I feel the same way.. Tami keeps what ifin.. What if she is on meds and isn’t allowed to come in and I sign a lease for 5 years etc..

              Tami is a dreamer..I am a realist. .. She keeps thinking that her dream is right in front of her.. Her Nannie Violet taught her how to bake. She was a Scotsman. And she had the bakery in memory of Nannie

              She brought in all these violets..and decorated beautifully.. She had a Barkery area filled with homemade dog treats. She just outdid herself.

            • Kristin Rawls

              The thing is, she can’t be trusted to stay on her meds. And even if she does… That guarantees nothing. She’s still the most hated person on the island.

            • Baby

              I absolutely agree 100%…. Huge risk and it would NOT end well..

              6 weeks working with this Whackadoodle is a hell of a lot difference than being under her thumb for 5 years! EEEEEk.. that made my hair stand on end just thinking about it Kristin..

      • salin

        Nightmare . But damn – to have a friend like you. Situation is f*ed up. Tons of after math for both of you (esp) Tammy to deal with – but again – damn, anyone with a friend like you is lucky beyond the stars. ((baby&Tammy)) what a nightmare.

        • Baby

          Oh salin.. thank you.. it is beyond f*ed up that is for sure. I feel bad for Tami.. seriously.. not me. It was a labor of love. and watching the bakery come alive was so fulfilling..

          UNTIL

          • salin

            What a great perspective – per being able to appreciate the period of ‘labor of love’ so sorry that it was twisted into something so demeaning and ugly.

            • Baby

              thank you salin..demeaning and ugly absolutely!

      • Nat-leficent

        That place looks adorable!

        • Baby

          The entire bakery was so beautiful..all done in Island colors.. and so squeaky clean Nat. Never thought we would close after 2 1/2 hrs of opening. Thank you honey.

      • Miss Tia

        OMFG!! I’m so so sorry for BOTH of you!!! She’s doing the right thing—restraining order and lawsuit. With your history in mental health, I know you’ll ensure Tami gets the support she needs right now, and YOU need to get the support you also need!!!!

        • Baby

          Awwww how cute.. thanks Tia.. Yes I’ll take care of Tami..She will land on her feet.. Anger is a strong motivator. I’m waiting for her to get to that point. She’s hurt now..

          but when the anger sets in she will use it productively. And she is really scared of CW..she intimidates the hell out of her.

          She has never been exposed to unstable people. I made a career out of it.

          • Kristin Rawls

            I think she’s right to be scared — and am actually glad to hear this. Without going into too much detail… My dad was a pastor of a mainline congregation, and we were normal and believed in healthcare. Virtually all of my family and extended family seem to have always been on some type of anti-depressant… Anyway, my dad was too nice to members of the congregation when I was little, and had poor boundaries with them. He tried to do too much for them. He’d show up at a moment’s notice to help them out with any little thing, or listen to them in the middle of the night. I have since learned a couple of shocking stories about unstable members of the congregation approaching my dad with a gun. And about some threats made against our family that I wish he’d taken more seriously, and at least mentioned to law enforcement.

          • Missionary Kid

            You’re int the right place with all us unstable Bunkaroos!

            • Baby

              boy Ain’t that the truth Kid.. ( Not joking) ha

          • Miss Tia

            Anger is indeed one of hell of a motivator!!! Once she learns that CW has ZERO power over her, WATCH OUT, she’ll be flying! πŸ™‚

            • Baby

              Yep.. CW is a bully. And I hate Bullies. I loathe them. Tami gave her all her power and I agree Tami needs to get it back.

      • Eclipse-girl

        (((HUGS)))
        A drink, the night sky and firends

        • Baby

          Sounds fabulous E..((HUGS)) to you too honey.

      • Missionary Kid

        When CW started screaming, I would be tempted to say, “$cientology can help you with that,” but even as nasty as this woman is, I wouldn’t wish it on them.

        Of course, the worst thing for anyone with mental problems is to send them to $cientology. Lisa McPherson is an illustration of that.

    • Edward Bell

      Not to be a party pooper and I know its too late but really its a case of looking before leaping.
      In my mind this has comparisons to how Scientology works as well. They make you work hard with the promise you’re making a difference and then when its all said and done they then berate you for it.

      When going into business the rose colored glasses need to come off and need to start asking questions and start thinking about all the ways this is going to affect your life.

      If I was going into business with someone I’d want to know all the ins and outs before I signed any documents. That way you know what you’re in for and you still have the option of saying “no”.
      Going into business is a pretty serious thing. A lot of due dilligence is required.

      I have no idea what the next steps for you are but I guess you need to make a decision which way you want to go (keep going with the business, pull out or whatever) and start investigating ways of getting to that goal. That may include getting legal, accounting and financial advice.

    • salin

      Before reading more… first response – sounds like a dream converting into a nightmare. Hope I am wrong.

      • Kristin Rawls

        You weren’t wrong.

    • beauty for ashes

      Also hearing from CW that she may have some food related issues, she seems hell bent on restricting, restricting, restricting. She needs help. πŸ™

      • Kristin Rawls

        Yeah… She sounds like this is a part of her…overall issues. I’ve never heard of someone with anorexia or something becoming super judgmental of the weight of others, though. Is that a thing that happens?

        • Baby

          Without giving away too much detail about her.. She co authored a book about eating Desserts only to lose weight..

          OK Paragraph..let me get the book she made me read..hahaha.. NUT case..( I skimmed a little) BRB.. I have to dig the book out of trash. It did not sell any copies.. Good Gawd…

          • Kristin Rawls

            Is it available on Amazon? Now I’m intrigued. (Edit: Still, you should probably keep her name to yourself for legal reasons or whatever, I guess. What do I know?) And also, that sounds like a terrible idea for a book. Please tell me it was self-published.

            • Baby

              Yes self published.. UGH.. and worthless.. I can’t find the paragraph I’m looking for ..She claims there is no such things as food groups. Ice cream has the same nutrients as milk.. so why not eat ice cream?

              One thing she wrote was that.. There are LESS calories in cold baked beans than hot..
              ( I will never forge that!)

              she had a list of foods she keeps on hand.. Like.. Oreo Cookies, Fudge, Frosted flacks, sam’s club cheesecake, Sam’s club blah, blah.. That is in the freakin book.

              She didn’t advertise the book or anything..just took it around clubs to sell.. they just laughed at her..

            • Frodis73

              Oh my woo!

            • Baby

              Hi doggie.. Woo is right.. When I left the bakery I literally Pffffffted her..hahaa

            • Juicer77

              (f5) That’s our Baby! πŸ˜‰

            • Baby

              Hahahha.. Yeah..just like that.. Ohhh Juice so cute.. awwwwwww

        • beauty for ashes

          Its definitely a trigger that can happen. She also doesn’t seem able to separate Tami’s actions from her own. It’s all enmeshed and everything is triggering her.

      • Baby

        She has major food issues beauty.. That’s all she talked about. She only ate Sugary sweets. Nothing healthy..and she looked like death warmed over.

        • beauty for ashes

          Malnourishment can really fuck up your brain too! πŸ™
          Let me know if there is any support I can give you or Tami. <3 <3 <3

    • MaxSpaceman

      Really a tragic tale, Baby. Sorry for you both. CW’s psycho-machinations

      It reads like a Sea Borg abuse story.

      • Baby

        I would never compare it to Sea Borg Max.. because it was only about a month.. but it was very tragic.. Narcissistic Sociopath.

        • MaxSpaceman

          the story reads exactly — albeit for 1 month — like a Sea Org abuse story.

    • Missionary Kid

      Reading the whole story, If there was paint dumped in the toilets, it was probably because the last person was so pissed at CW. Unfortunately, you both ended up cleaning the place up.

      • Baby

        That is exactly what we thought too Kid.. She literally fled in the night .. She probably had her hair on fire as she left.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)
    • daisy

      No its not the Bates hotel. That shriveled old corpse in the window is Tom Cruise ( or Kirstie or Hubbard , pick your favorite )

    • daisy

      We are going to cut down those palm trees, we have enough coconuts inside.

      • Tree

        Oh, that’s good.

    • Edward Bell

      The world through David Miscaviges eyes…. Tom Cruise has just dropped his trousers and the sun seems to be shining out of his arse.

    • daisy

      The lights are are airplane patterns for when we fart and lose body thetans.

    • daisy

      Yes I guess we are like a casino, the house always win and the customer is always broke.

    • Beth

      Pooch just exploded in the big being suite.

    • daisy

      By the way this is a scientology org isn’t it? Cause my jokes won*t make sense if it is not. I guess it doesn’t matter, they usually do not anyway.

    • daisy

      Tell Baby to hurry up I can*t loiter at Mappin Castle western version all day. Did I tell you Ted set up the outside light display?

    • Rasha

      “It’s okay! No one’s trying to blow! It’s just the UPS guy leaving!”

      • Edward Bell

        Great minds……Rasha

        • Rasha

          First thing I thought was that them lights ain’t for advertising – they’re for illuminating the no-man’s land outside the walls…..

    • Edward Bell

      Looks like another one has blown. Turn on the search lights

    • Tree

      The Miscavige Tower of Terror. You can check out but you can never leave with your wallet.

    • mon elle

      “This is the FBI! Stand away from the shredders and send the midget out now!”

      “Not you Mr. Cruise … the short guy next to you with a missing wife.”

      • Edward Bell

        This is the first one to really make me laugh so far. That makes it a winner in my (watering with laughter) eyes.

    • mon elle

      “What stands as a bright, shining beacon of hope, enlightenment, freedom and integrity?”

      Not this place.

    • Nat-leficent

      Pooch has gone exterior and his meat sack is gonna blow!

      http://media.giphy.com/media/axH3uHzcgTv20/giphy.gif

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s their air raid mode.

    • Sejanus

      Flagging down passing Xenuplanes for a lift to Target 2

  • Liberated

    I have to stop and do some stuff, take it easy while I’m gone. I mean it!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Just hit the Bunker Pause button. It’s around here somewhere.

  • Jenny Griffith

    Another Tom Cruise IAS photo. This mans daughter describes it as an interfaith event to discuss human rights issues. Ha!

    • B4you

      Looks like a soft man to me! How can he be shorter than cruise?

      • Edward Bell

        Tom’s standing on a milk crate

    • Sid (Phil)

      The servers at the dinner probably made no more than 10 cents per hour.

  • Frodis73

    I see that I missed a lot while reading ‘Troublemaker’ (finally) today. I enjoyed the book and just wanted to mention a few things that really jumped out to me.
    -Her daughters comments about leaving sci in her head and heart were two different things was really touching not to mention wise beyond her years.
    -Kevin Huvane is a DICK. If somebody reading this knows him, please tell him he is a huge prick and to grow the f up. Seriously dude? You are a douche bag up there with Cardone.
    -The letter she wrote to Shelly that she wanted the cops to deliver to her was awesome. Of course we know she never got it, but knowing that Leah wrote that and told Shelly to just leave and she would take care of *everything* really touched me.
    I really did not like Leah back in the day (even before I knew she was a clam) but she is a strong, outspoken and mouthy woman and I love her for it now.

    • worstcultever

      nice comment, thx

    • Miss Tia

      oh you got a copy of it?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I can send you my copy.

        • Miss Tia

          That’s very generous of you! Is it strange that I sadistically want to see how long it’ll be until an Ohio University library actually GETS it and then makes it available? Yeah, it’s strange. Also, if I got it now I’d want to READ it now and I have a couple projects I gotta finish with no more delays! πŸ™‚

          I still can’t believe no OH University has gotten it yet!! They have the latest Stephen King book. They DO get books like Leah’s all the time. So it’s not like it’s ‘not’ university material. I also like the ‘joke’ of everyone having read it by the time I finally get too πŸ™‚ Yeah, I’m strange.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Email me.
            Give me your snail mail addy.
            I will get it mailed tomorrow.
            After you are done donate it toe Ohio U

            • Miss Tia

              i’d donate it to Kent State πŸ˜‰ Closer to me and they participate in Ohio Link (that’s amongst Ohio Universities) too….you know what, if you sent it tomorrow, since i have things (2 ‘ops’, and a larger project) i HAVE to finish like um PDQ…..i’ll let you know when i receive it and then i’ll go put it in Eddie’s basement until my 3 projects are done!! cuz if i don’t, i’d sit and read it and wouldn’t get my work done!! (i know myself—and it’s a pain dealing with eddie’s house—-right around the corner, cuz you gotta go to the 2nd fl. to turn off the house alarm, then unlock the basement, etc….i wouldn’t do that!! πŸ™‚

              my address is really public:
              miss tia
              571 robinette ct
              akron oh 44310

              if i continue working the pace i have been i should be reading leah’s book thanksgiving weekend!! πŸ™‚ thank you so much!!!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              no problem
              I have far too many books.

              I think Kent state and the Ohio U libraries sounds like a great home.

      • Frodis73

        Yes. finally!! My mom might read it, but I could send it to you when she’s done if you want…let me know. I really enjoyed and it’s an easy read.

    • Laura Lou

      See, I always liked her FROM DAY 1 because she seemed so straightforward, so much someone who didn’t give a rat’s patootie what other people thought of her, or her opinions. A free thinker, in other words (something thought to be an abrasive quality in a woman, but that’s a rant for another time). Which is why I was really surprised to find out she was a Scientologist. I’m very glad to learn that she retained who she truly was (and of course, no one’s identity can ever be truly burglarized), and had all the chutzpah (moxie, for the Gentiles) to GTFO.

      • Frodis73

        I actually liked the mouthy parts of her! I saw her on some type of reality show or special and what I was annoyed about was how she was raising her daughter. She has some really weird and misguided idea about parenting imo (says the infertile and childless woman!). Then I found out she was a sci which explained all the “woo”, but it really turned me off in a major way. I remember wanting to like her because she was mouthy and seemed like a troublemake, etc. as I admire and get along with women like that.

        • Laura Lou

          Aha! I understand a bit more. Not a fan of reality TV. If I’m going to see actors “being real”, I watch interviews of: a) the ones that I actually give a shit about; and b) the ones who have bizarre and/or unusual, but well thought-out, perspectives to give

          • Frodis73

            I would love to know what it was I saw her on because technically, from what I understand, she has only been on one reality show and it’s on the air now. I don’t watch reality tv and don’t really know how, why or what I stumbled upon. It was quite awhile ago…prob early 00’s or so.

            • Laura Lou

              “King of Queens”, a long running and very successful sitcom (she speaks very affectionately of Kevin James), and the movie “Old School”, where she plays Vince Vaughn’s wife – and BTW, she’s one of very few actresses who could match him in terms of presence. Aniston and Witherspoon were way to tame to play opposite him.

            • Frodis73

              Youngish maybe, but not really young. I’m 42 and I remember her from that model show and Saved by the bell as well as King. I was only talking about her reality shows. AFAIK she has only been on the one, the one that started last year and is currently on.

            • Laura Lou

              OH!!! I’m so sorry, I thought you meant you didn’t know her from anything other than like “Dancing with Stars”. Oops!!! I’m 32, so I was picturing you being, like,16.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Ha! A friend just face booked me to say she had read a book by an actress who left the cluttered if I hadn’t read it I should. Little does she know I have read it, tweeted about it incessantly, and have two copies sit-in on my coffee table and one is for a gift!

      • Missionary Kid

        Leah truly is the gift who keeps on giving.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I hear ya. I was always of two minds about Remini. I liked her brassy balls, but they sometimes took her to really annoying places. After reading (well, listening to) her book…I sorta still feel the same way, actually, when you boil it down. She’s like that friend you sometimes wanna hug and sometimes wanna strangle, but on balance you love and respect her. And I have a lot of respect for Remini right now. I like her, warts and all. I like her because of her warts. She feels human to me now. I’m totally in her corner.

      • Frodis73

        Me too. I wanted to alternately shake her and hug her at certain points.

    • Ella Raitch

      Double upvote on the Kevin Huvane thing. When do we get to see him get his!

      • Frodis73

        So glad to know I’m not alone in my annoyance of him. He thinks he’s so important. I wish I was famous and a client of his…after reading Leah’s book I’d fire his ass, very publicly.

        • Ella Raitch

          He’s like every asshole in disaster movies who is barging in front of women and children but meets a grisly end somehow through his greed

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I know that scientology has bullied google and youtube into blocking or taking down creative content that it claims violates its copyrights. It seems google and youtube are now beginning to fight back, http://thehill.com/policy/technology/260761-youtube-to-back-some-video-creators-court-cases. I can only hope that Miscavige’s year continues to slide rapidly downhill as Derek, Chris, Karen Jeff and others enjoy the protection of the Fair Use Doctrine as they expose the sh*t out of scientology and Miscavige.

    • mon elle

      I wonder what still exists on the Way Back Machine …. archive.org.

  • Supper Powers

    Brie with local apples and local honey. Then, lightly fried, fresh mushroom ravioli with sliced portobello mushrooms, fresh garlic, red pepper and parm. Sauvignon blanc.

    • Rasha

      Ok. Stop.

      • Supper Powers

        To the tick-tick, I don’t.

    • Eclipse-girl

      you will make dinner for us at HOWDYCCON

      • Supper Powers

        I will make supper for anyone, anytime!

      • pat k

        we need to get a house for that. maybe we can….

        • Miss Tia

          Take into costs, getting into town everyday—how? how much–if car, how much would parking be (it’s expensive); houses require usually a deposit; would there be any groceries available—seasonings, etc?
          Nope, I don’t do house hunting. I called countless hotels and got us the lowest rate downtown Cleveland next June.

          • pat k

            Ok …haven’t been to Cleveland since 1988….since then travels have revealed a few corporate condos in the downtown area in other cities…just for kitchen (always looking for a place to cook) & smoking privileges. I really appreciate your research. Was thrilled as never had anything but excellence at Radison.

            • Miss Tia

              if you haven’t been to cleveland since 1988 you’re in for a BIG surprise!!! you sound like NOLA wanting a place to cook—NO ONE IS COOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think smoking privileges at places are pretty rare….i know the place Kim got said no smoking……most of the hotels are no smoking now…..good to hear that about the Radisson! I’ve been very pleased dealing with the sales’ manager!!

            • Supper Powers

              *Sulks away*

              I know, I know.

              ETA. Seriously, thanks for all your work. It’s a lot of effort.

            • Miss Tia

              NO sulking!!! I’ll take you to the candy store and buy you a lollipop! πŸ™‚

            • Supper Powers

              OK!!!!
              *skips and waves hands in the air*

            • Eclipse-girl

              I want NOLA to bring that 12 layer cake.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Kim O Brien spoke of an ArirBnB that I thought she ad dibs on.

            • Miss Tia

              she got an apartment about a mile/mile & 1/2 from downtown…..think it was 2 bedroom? she sent me the link but my email is a disaster area i don’t want to visit before i go to bed πŸ™‚ i know there was a small deposit, and a fee for additional people—i remember that of it…..

              the thing with airbnb is that for the howdycon dates you MUST absolutely lock in the deal—-and make sure it’s cheaper than the radisson (Kim said she doesn’t like hotels, I can respect that) unless that doesn’t matter and that’s it’s easy to get downtown, etc—but the IMPORTANT THING is that if you do that, lock in the deal, 100% seal the deal and do it QUICK because there are people arriving for the RNC one month prior as they’ll be there a month+ and staying an apartment/house would probably be preferable to them than a hotel…..prices are going to rise on hotels, apartments, etc for the RNC (told this again and again and they said it was legal, “supply and demand”)…..make sure they can’t cancel the deal on your if someone for the RNC offers them more money…..

            • Eclipse-girl

              KIM O B are you reading this?

            • Miss Tia

              I am REALLY sure Kim fully locked in her deal……and i think i cautioned her then too to be sure….

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am think ing we get a meal together at Kims.
              If she has parking, AND I drive, i can four others – a bit squished in the back seat –

            • Miss Tia

              If people wanna go eat there AND she wants to make food—buy the food, etc then of course cook it…..I think the on street parking in that area is ‘get it if you can’ but there’s off street parking and probably a parking lot within a block……

    • Jimmy3

      Locally-bought Kit Kat bars. With Coors Light and more Kit Kat bars.

      • Rasha

        Free-range Gummi Bears and a Fluffernutter Florentine sammich..

      • Supper Powers

        I’m coming to your place for dessert!

      • daytoncapri

        Think global, buy local. I like it.

    • Fresh tobacco and apple ale.

      • Supper Powers

        I’m ditching Jimmy3 and coming straight to your place!

      • mon elle

        That sounds like a horrible dessert.

        • Supper Powers

          If you have it in Dodo company, it’s divine!

          • mon elle

            Facepalm. Of course!!

            • Supper Powers

              That was my laugh out loud moment of the day! Perfect response.

    • Omg you sold me at brie & apples! And mushrooms? I’m gonna faint.

      • Rasha

        I K freakin’ R

      • Supper Powers

        Darlin, you are welcome to my table anytime! I would be pleased to cook for you!

  • mon elle

    OT but for the amusement of those spending time with family next week: http://margaretandhelen.com/2012/11/19/thanksgiving-letter-to-the-family-2012/

    Any letter to the family that starts with the following promises a good time:

    I’m not dead yet. Thanksgiving is still important to me. If being in my Last Will and Testament is important to you, then you might consider being with me for my favorite holiday.

  • worstcultever

    Big ups for Chris Shelton’s latest, he is getting tighter and tighter with these vids, just bang-bang-bang, not a word wasted. Jeff Augustine is doing the same with the sci money stuff, we have got to break these guys’ presentations through to elected officials at every level, not to mention the feds.

    Oh and i hope the way to happiness bullshit in Paris results in what it should – pure disdain and yet more antagonism towards this ridiculous inhuman endlessly profiteering monstrosity. Seriously, how fucking dare you, scientology.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Agreed! So disgusting to think of those pamphlets being handed out in the midst of all this! Thankfully it’s in a place that has no issue calling out Scamology for what it is!

      • Edward Bell

        I wouldn’t put it past Scientology that its just a fund raiser for David Miscavige $18 for 12 pamphlets I think. It wouldn’t surprise me if no actual pamphlets get printed or handed out. A small respite for the locals if that is the case.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Good point! I recall reading archives where everyone here was researching the library project with the Basics and how people paid full price and the books never went anywhere! (Not to mention the ones that did ended up on the sale rack!). I despise the use of others’ tragedy for gain! Though I’m referring to WTH pamphlets, it occurs to me that’s the entire basis of the cult!

  • Robert Eckert

    I regret having upset Tony in the past and wish him nothing but the best in the future.

    • daisy

      Classy.

    • Supper Powers

      ((((Get your ass back in here!))))

      • Get your ass back in here!

        You don’t know how long I’ve been waiting here for someone to hug me. Thank you so much!

        • Supper Powers

          Oh, I pinch those cute lil cheeks! Oh, you! Want a slice of apple pie?

          • Jimmy3

            Whomever is behind that trollish-looking 1 comment account is, I’m 100% sure he really does want some apple pie.

            • Supper Powers

              I suspect it pairs well with local KitKat bars, so it makes a lot of sense.

            • Jimmy3

              Throw them on top, 15 second zap zap zap. Mmmmmm

            • Supper Powers

              Sounds so…deli….chous….here…try….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              ala mode? With vanilla bean or artificial mystery flakes? Pie hot or cold? Ice cream, cold or flambe? You can just guess what he’d want

        • Rasha

          Now, help Robert with the decorations! Chop, chop!

          • daisy

            No Rasha we don’t use nailgun*s to hang decorations.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Mr Hole uses duct tape – for Everything. better than a nail gun

            • Miss Tia

              Duct tape is a wondrous multipurpose item!

            • Missionary Kid

              Duct tape now comes with all sorts of patterns and colors.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh nooooooooo

            • Missionary Kid

              The brand that does all of that is called Duck Tape. They’re the company that has kids making their prom dresses and suits out of it and decorating their notebooks. They’re making a lot of money doing it.

            • Ella Raitch

              Ssshhhh – don’t tell Joy Villa

            • Missionary Kid

              *Perfect snark*

            • Ella Raitch
            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’ve seen that in his top tool chest drawer!

            • Rasha

              *pout*

    • Jimmy3

      Classy. Now sit your ass down.

      • Ben Franklin

        You should be the Sec Checker for the Bunker

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Muthafucka you better sit yo’ ass down and tell every fucking thing I need to know before I shove my foot up yo’ ass and wear you as a fucking shoe!

          How’s that for authentic Scientology sec checking?

          • Rasha

            ….ah.. It IS like Thanksgiving!

            πŸ˜›

    • Rasha

      You missed it! Nat totally gave me what-for!!!!

    • Eclipse-girl

      welcome back

    • Ben Franklin

      Did you get sec checked?

      • mon elle

        Worse. His penance is dealing with elle.

        • Ben Franklin

          elle is so scared of this place.

          • Supper Powers

            Hell, I’m scared of this place….

          • mon elle

            Which is just friggin’ hilarious.

            • One Human

              She mentioned to me she found Tony funny.
              Uncertain how to take that as there were no related insults, as there usually would be.

            • mon elle

              It could be that she makes the mistake of buying Lucky Charms and eats the cereal (i.e., reads the blog) but skips the marshmallows (i.e., reads the comments).

              The cereal is good but it’s just not the same without the marshmallows.

            • One Human

              I like your analogy, oddly enough, two of my three offspring love Lucky Charms, I offer it to middle child, who says, “Lucky Charms are for old people”.

            • mon elle

              My blood sugar agrees with that sentiment.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hugs – now can you get the Thanksgiving decorations down from the attic? K, thanks.

      • Rasha

        ^_^

    • salin

      So glad to see you. You make me think, laugh, and roll my eyes at ridiculousness both about Co$, and about broader absurdities in our society.

    • Nat-leficent

      Oh, good — you’re back!
      ETA: See Jimmy, it’s good I asked ;p

    • Thanks for coming back, Robert.

    • May_West

      You’re one of my very favourite commenters here.

    • StudentOfLife

      Glad you are back. I was worried about you as I commented earlier that Tony is very linear in his reporting ala Sgt Friday; he lets the story unfold one fact at a time and build. He’s got trolls all over the net calling him a liar and saying horrible things about him, and misquoting him and his intentions and protects his own boundaries of what he reports fiercely. That is why he is so well respected. I am glad you are back to share your thoughts with us. I’ve made mistakes here also, have to be careful about what I report as it might come out in a folder somewhere and I better have my own facts straight. I live in a small Hollywood like town where it’s hard to be secretive.

    • Miss Tia

      Dude, I hope this isn’t some ‘c-ya bunker’ comment. Feels like it. You’ll upset us all!!! We know where you live! Wait, we don’t, fuck. Sit back down on the bunker bench Robert!!!!

      • Supper Powers

        Yeah, damn it, what Miss Tia said.
        ETA *secretly passes you the whiskey bottle with a wink and a smile*

      • daytoncapri

        Detroit, right Robert?

        • Eclipse-girl

          I thought it was Perth πŸ˜‰

      • Ella Raitch

        Yep – can’t have Bob missing out the inaugural HowdyCon!

    • worstcultever

      god knows i don’t keep up, but nice thing to say – cheers Robert

    • Nat-leficent

      Take your time RE but do pop in now and again (and again) please.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Think of it as a parent yelling STOP JUMPING ON THE COUCH.

    • Chee Chalker

      Well we know that David Miscavige does not write your blog comments! Glad to see you back…..now, where is Espi…..

      • Miss Tia

        Espi was banned
        ETA: he comments on Rinder’s blog quite often

      • Eclipse-girl

        Espi appears at Mike Rinder’s

        He wont come back, according to his comments there.

        • Chee Chalker

          Yea, I see him over there….I was just thinking during this moment of peace and reconciliation we might see a Thanksgiving miracle!
          Idk…maybe there are enough personalities here already.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Espi was espi.

            He was harsh and did not welcome newcomers.
            He had your back if some unknown person attacked you.

            I owe him a few diet pepsi

            • Chee Chalker
            • Ella Raitch

              I love Amy Winehouse but now I get sad everytime I see her picture.

            • Chee Chalker

              I know πŸ™

            • Baby

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiaZqsA7Zr4

              From one Amy lover to another..

            • Baby

              I could just shake her and when she wakes up she will realize how much she was loved. So vulnerable. I miss her.. RIP Amy.. you didn’t feel the stillness around you was serenity.

            • Baby

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiaZqsA7Zr4

              Don’t know if you have seen this Ella.. fact filled with music..

            • Sandy

              Oh boy. Combo of Amy + Espi. *big sigh*

            • Baby
            • Baby

              Oh I am an Amy nutcase.. Love her.. Loved her.. Have never heard this song..Where in the hell have I been.. RIP Amy.. You were so loved you just didn’t know it.

              Thanks Chee..

    • Ella Raitch

      {{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}. Howdy Bob. Wondered where you’d been at.

    • Sid (Phil)

      Nicely said Katie er, I mean Robert.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        bwahahaha – Good one Phil Okay you all stop being funny – got so much more to do tomorrow and need to hit it early

    • daytoncapri

      Hey Robert – been wondering about you. More posts from you, please.

    • daytoncapri

      Robert, I am restating and slightly rewording a post, please stick with me to the end.

      You went after me in the beginning as a newbie, accusing me of “still thinking and acting like a Scientologist” after I had stated I am an Ex. (The events themselves aren’t worth exploring, really.) You pissed me off, big time. But after I cooled down, I suggested to you that you and I start over. Your response was very positive, I have appreciated the thoughtful insights in so many of your posts. I have considered you, Robert, to be, one of the good guys.. Still do.

    • B4you

      Don’t be too hard on yourself. Back on the horse!

    • beauty for ashes

      Robert Eckert! Missed you!!!!!!!!!! Just think of the fact that by popular vote you are in demand!
      ps~ I am toootally trying to manipulate you through flattery, did it work? You come back now?

      • B4you

        Looks good keep going…

    • Glen

      Excellent response, sir. It seems like I’ve heard that statement somewhere before.

    • Juicer77

      Good to see you back, Mr. E.

    • ObsessedReader

      Well said, Katie! LOL

    • Baby

      what the heck happened to you Robert..I miss you terribly! xo baby

  • Off topic: It’s our marriage anniversary today. My parents reminded me through Skype congrats.
    I reminded my wife through text early in the morning that it’s been 20 years. She called me and reminded me that it’s actually 21 years. Whatever. We are happy and having good laughs. I bought her a bottle of good Italian wine and she is now saying it might be too sweet, because it’s Moscato d’Asti or some such. Cheers for another 21+ years!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You have a jewel there, Dodo, and a gorgeous one at that. You must be doin’ something right. Congrats and have a happy 21 more!

      • She is a very tolerant and wise jewel. I am lucky man.

        • daisy

          I am sure she thinks she is a lucky woman.

    • Supper Powers

      Oh, that is sweet. Embrace the love!

    • Jimmy3

      Say you forgot how many years it’s been because every day feels like you just married her.
      You owe me one.

      • Rasha

        Very. Nice. Catch.

      • Ella Raitch

        We are soooo onto you boys!

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Good save Jimmy! See he can be charming when he wants! ;P

    • mon elle

      Wait. I thought I saw your picture and you are way too young to be married that long.

      Mazel and many more to you and Mrs. Dodo.

    • Rasha

      Whew! For a second I thought we were married, then I got to the third sentence….

      Hehe! Very Congratulations! Such awesome!!! ^_^

    • salin

      Cheers!

      Yesterday Mom read me the obituary of a family friend. He retired and then kept teaching his favorite class for another 20 years (50 yrs teaching that class). One third of the lawyers in the state have taken his class.

      But the best – a week before he passed, he traveled to spend time with his wife and family to celebrate his wedding anniversary (can’t remember the number but it was between 55 and 60 years!

      Cheers for working towards 30-40+ years!

    • daisy

      Dodo, with you in it ,I imagine your marriage is full of joy, compassion , understanding and humor. You probably bring a few qualities to it as well jk. Relay our congratulations to the Missus. So happy for you both Wait is this why we broke up?
      I am not proud but I used this exact joke on Fly and his wife yesterday.

    • Eclipse-girl

      we have made it through 32 yrs.
      COngrats to you and Mrs Dodo

      I avoid anything with “asti” on the label because it usually is too sweet. πŸ˜‰

      Have fun

      • salin

        Joy and congrats to you and Mr. Eclipse.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Its been a long ride.
          I do not want it end.
          It has had its up and downs.
          Raising a child was the hardest thing we ever did, and caused more disagreement between us than I ever imagined.
          I am glad we did it. Daughter E is 23 .
          IT was the hardest work we ever did.

          • daisy

            Hardest but most worthy. Quite an accomplishment !

      • OOkpik

        Congratulations to you too, Eclipse-girl and Mr. E..

    • Miss Tia

      Happy Anniversary to you both!!! β™₯

    • Observer

      Happy anniversary!

    • Ella Raitch

      Sounds like my anniversaries…actually its more like ‘Did you realise it was our 20th wedding anniversary two days ago?”

      • Hey, we all have periods.

        • daisy

          I really hate it when there is cheap joke to be had , but good taste tells me not to push my luck. Hey where is L Wrong Hubbturd ?

          • Jimmy3

            When you feel that urge, you just gotta tamp it on down. Especially when you’re really feeling the flow.

            • Ella Raitch

              No cramping anyone’s style there Jimmy3

            • daisy

              There*s my hero. Jimmy to the rescue. Not answering was actually hurting me.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Happy anniversary to you and the Lady Dodo!

    • Supper Powers

      I love how most the comments around here garner 2-6 upvotes, but when something matters, like what Dodo is sharing, is published, he gets 20+ upvotes.

      Upvote real Dodo love and real Dodo loyalty!

    • Happy Dodoversary!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Happy Anniversary!!!

    • Allie

      Congrats, to you and Mrs. Dodo. Happy Anniversary!

    • Juicer77

      Best wishes for many more happy years together, Mr. and Mrs. D! <3
      (PS Next time try a semi-dry lambrusco – sparkly with just a touch of sweet, just like you guys πŸ™‚

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      The nicest news! Many congratulations to you both. Here’s to the next 2 decades (+/- a year or 2) xx

    • MrsLurksALot

      Congratulations and happy anniversary. 21 years is quite an accomplishment and I wish you many more years together. πŸ™‚

    • Baby

      Oh Dodo that is so sweet.. Happy anniversary to Mr. and Mrs. Dodo 3 days late! xo baby

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    What a freakin’ day in the Bunker today!!!!!

  • salin

    16 more recommends to 200. Very lively discussions today. Are there 16 of you who may have forgotten to hig the recommend (just above the dialogue box, to the left)? Make that heart beat, record the days post and comments in your disqus log, and promote this unique space with its strong message.

    • Eclipse-girl

      13 more to click on RECOMMEND to get to 200.
      Comments are 1300+ πŸ˜‰

      very different stats πŸ™‚

      • Miss Tia

        now 3!

      • Edward Bell

        I think I was lucky 200

        • Edward Bell

          How funny is that it’s also my 200th most favorite number

        • mon elle

          203!

          • Edward Bell

            Whoa! That’s my 203rd most favorite number. What are the chances!

        • pluvo

          I was 200 once. It feels …so … so … exiting?

          • Ella Raitch

            I have on more than one occasion opened the Bunker to 666 comments….spooky πŸ˜‰

    • Chee Chalker

      Just hit it.thanks for the reminder!!

    • mon elle

      How do I hig?

      • beauty for ashes

        I think it’s Swedish for click.

        • Hig, eh? Obs! is Swedish for “look the fuck out” or “danger” or something. It was on a sticker under the hood of my Saab, right near the accessory belts.

          • beauty for ashes

            Achtung! I remember seeing that on the inside of a coffee maker. No that is a U2 album?!
            Obs ! Wait Saabs can wear accessory belts?

  • Nat-leficent

    Baby stories and Robert Eckert sighting — now THAT’S what I call a good Bunker night!

    • beauty for ashes

      He came back I missed it! What happened?

      • Eclipse-girl

        nothing much. πŸ˜‰

        • beauty for ashes

          Found it thanks Egirl!

    • Baby

      Oh honey thank you..smooches that was so sweet of you.

      • Nat-leficent

        Hugs baby! I cannot stop thinking of your poor friend and her dreams going up in smoke. And how hard you worked! Your hearts must be broken!

  • Jimmy3

    Stop clicking and unclicking the heart button. If someone were in grave danger and could not speak or type, it might be their only remaining hope to signal us in Morse code. So please don’t muddy up an emergency line of communication. Thank you.

    Also, we’re gonna need someone to monitor the heart line for Morse-coded messages.

    • Nat-leficent

      -.– — ..- / .- .-. . / .- -. / .. -.. .. — –

      • Jimmy3

        .. / -.. — -. – / -.- -. — .– / .– …. .- – / – …. .. … / –. .. -… -… . .-. .. … …. / .. … / … — / .–. .-.. . .- … . / … – — .–. / -… . .

        • Nat-leficent

          -.– — ..- / … – .- .-. – . -.. / .. – / .– .. – …. / -.– — ..- .-. / -.. ..- — -… / .–. .-.. .- -.

          • Jimmy3

            … – — .–. / ..-. .-.. — .-. – .. -. –. / .– .. – …. / — .

            • Rasha

              -_-

            • Ella Raitch

              ???????????????

            • Eclipse-girl

              I can’t read morse code either.

            • Missionary Kid
            • daisy

              Morse code ?? I thought it was an EKG. I have been trying to analyze this shit for an hour. pfffft

            • Ella Raitch

              Oh Daisy….I love your schtick!

            • daisy

              Not sure what a schtick is, but my Jewish in-laws are coming for non-Jewish Christmas. I will ask them. Thank-you

            • Ella Raitch

              If I ever meet you and you don’t look exactly like your avi I will be disappoint.

            • daisy

              Sorry to disappoint but I am a 20 something with long chestnut red hair and a body like Marylyn Monroe . God I love the internet.

            • No, that’s “I have the body of a 16 year-old and the brain of a German Shepherd . . . they’re in my trunk, wanna see ’em?” Apologies to Bob Saget.

            • daisy

              That is eerily close to what is riding around in my trunk.right now. Hey Baby I found a use for your baking equipment.

            • Edward Bell

              Geez, if that’s the case for all Avi’s I better try and start growing some fur.

            • Ella Raitch

              ScnMonkeyNuts said the other day that it was interesting when they met up in London – he was going around saying “Hey, I’m Monkey Nuts” *snort*

            • I look just like my avi, but I lost my Marcab U Renegades sweatshirt. It was really old and perfectly worn-in. I ordered a new one, but the next Fifth Invader Parcel pod isn’t due on Teegeeack for another 528 years.

            • Ella Raitch

              Ok – it’s shtick not schtick..

            • daisy

              I didn’t even notice. LOL

            • Rasha

              EEG is more like it.

            • daisy

              Okay I was kidding before, but now you are simply upstaging me, with my own jokes.Out!!

            • Rasha

              I’ll be good…….. πŸ˜‰

            • daisy

              Ok but quit hitting on the teenagers that is most definitely is my job.

            • ObsessedReader

              Daisy, you are hilarious! πŸ™‚

            • daisy

              Thank you I like your posts too.

            • Jimmy3

              I’ll transcribe the brief conversation for those who can’t read morse code:

              NAT: YOU ARE INCREDIBLE
              JIM: I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS GIBBERISH PLEASE STOP BEEPING AT ME
              NAT: I WOULD EAT KIT KATS OFF YOUR ASS
              JIM: THAT IS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE PLEASE STOP FLORTING WITH ME

            • Rasha

              Woah! MY translator is WAY off, then!!

            • Missionary Kid

              Of course, what Nat really said was, “YOU ARE AN IDIOT”

            • Nat-leficent

              NO! It goes:
              NAT: YOU A BIG DUM DUM HEAD
              J3: YOU ARE A GODDESS PLEASE LOVE ME
              NAT: JUST GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME BE
              J3: DON’T IGNORE MY PATHETIC FLORTING PLEASE!!!!

            • Rasha

              Okay, that’s closer….. *whew*

            • Supper Powers

              Oh this is Bunker love.

            • Nat-leficent

              Downvoted.

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY

            • Missionary Kid

              http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html copy the code to the input box, then click on translate.

            • Ella Raitch

              Riiight. See I just assumed that Nat and Jimmy3 were geeks that knew morse code off by heart. Handy for the zombie apocolypse, but liable to get you a wedgie in real life.

            • Jimmy3

              I think you put a bleep where you should’ve put a blorp.

            • Rasha

              I florted.

            • Nat-leficent

              Open the bunker hatch then *waves hand*

            • Rasha

              *^_^*

            • Nat-leficent

              You spelled “flirting” wrong! Ha!

            • Jimmy3

              No. I think I just put a blorp where I should’ve put a bleep.

            • Nat-leficent

              Whatev. I wasn’t florting with you anyway. Dream on Pally.

            • Rasha

              … … / -.-. .- .-. .–. .- – …. .. .- / — -. / .. – … / .– .- -.– / … – — .–. / .-. . — .- .. -. / -.-. .- .-.. — / .- -. -.. / – .-. -.– / – — / ..-. .-.. — .-. –

            • Frodis73

              Funny!

            • Jimmy3

              *flort*

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      .. – … / .- / .-. — — -.- -… — — -.-

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      … — -.– .-.. . -. – / –. .-. . . -. / .. … / .–. . — .– .-.. .

  • Shit, next thing you know we all will be speaking rare Japanese dialects here.

    • Edward Bell

      Scientologonese is hard enough to understand sometimes.

    • Rasha

      Bunkerese: The Esperanto of High-Falutin’ Gibberish…

    • Supper Powers

      I want to learn that fishing village whistling language in….Spain?…Italy?…Portugal? I forget where.

  • Supper Powers

    PerezBullocks…

    • Edward Bell

      Did you have to go to a porno site to get that image?

      • Supper Powers

        Are you familiar with regular Bunker posters who may have created that avi? It’s a commentary on our Bunker poster, Media Lush, and Perez Hilton.

        • mon elle

          The first time I’ve had this clear of Media Lush’s AVI package.

          Oh my.

          • Supper Powers

            This is true.

            • B4you

              F5

          • B4you

            I like it πŸ™‚

        • Edward Bell

          Sorry. I’m out of the loop on that one.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      He looks like a character from This Island Earth.

    • B4you

      this wiki describes what you are watching: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scrotum+head

    • this has been my avatar for almost 10 years

      • Ella Raitch

        Where you’ve been?

        • [probably] same place as Robert Eckhart… I made a comment explaining a couple of things further down

          • Ella Raitch

            Good to see you again

  • Rasha

    Night, Bunks. Very dreams.

    • Edward Bell

      Very dreams to you too

    • daisy

      Was it something I said? Night funny girl.

  • Supper Powers

    Y’all prolly seen the midget in Tokyo, but if not…

    • mon elle

      My geography is as bad as my ornithology. Is that a Peking duck?

      • Supper Powers

        You get an upvote for saying ornithology.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Ridding Japan of those pesky Body Saiyans… er, thetans.

    • Liberated

      Gee, the asshole finally found a group of people that are just an inch or two taller than his dwarf ass.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    BREAKING NEWS: Newly-unearthed L. Ron Hubbard lecture revealed!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sanNIcQPPiE

    • Phil McKraken

      It’s funny because it’s true!

    • Juicer77

      ROFL!

  • Libertylover

    Man this series on Lisa McPherson is tragic. I usually consume the articles every morning by just after 7, but find myself not being able to read them till later at night.
    I realized what bothers me so much is David paid his way out of it and I know how it ends. It was 20 years ago and he got off scott free. Worse yet Lisa almost slipped away without anyone noticing, this likely has happened many times and has gone noticed anywhere.
    Fuck you David and you deserve everything that ever happens to you.That’s not a NY Fuck You like saying hello that’s a fuck you you are fucking the worse excuse for a human and scum of the earth you little fucking weazel.
    Poor Lisa RIP, she didn’t stand a chance. Thank you Tony I now understand in a way like never before, why the Lisa McPherson trust was so passionate and oppressed so violently by DM. I admire them even more than before, for their courage and fearlessness in taking on this monster.
    I guess the only consolation is COS is just a paper tiger these days and nothing like the fearsome monster bully it once was.
    Goodbye corporate Scientology, good riddance as you slowly slip into oblivion and history.

    • worstcultever

      +++ what you said

    • daisy

      Ditto everything you said. The thing that I am savoring is that they are not just simply going away. They are a laughing stalk in the eyes of the world. Very sad and tragic it came at the expense of good people.

    • mon elle

      Sadly this paper tiger is still willing to slice everyone that gets in its ways to shreds via a thousands paper cuts delivered by means of lawsuits and contracts.

      • Juicer77

        And broken families.

  • daisy

    Body thetan on crack. Isn*t that one of the OT levels, truth so much funnier than fiction in scientology.

  • beauty for ashes

    I think we need to work out some tension. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRscYVvEFt8

    • daisy

      Was this produced by the COS. It has their tacky fingerprints all over it ? That said I am going to watch it many, many times over.

      • Eclipse-girl

        i don’t think nay of the men are interested in a 20 yr girl with chestnut brown hair

        • beauty for ashes

          πŸ™‚ I’m sure a few are, but man tastes change don’t they? Remember Fame? They all danced like that.

          • One Human

            And shamefully I must admit, Olivia Newton-John’s ‘Physical’ unleashed something in me. Currently handling that engram by watching the movie ‘Heavy Metal’.

          • Eclipse-girl

            yes, they all danced like that.
            i still think the guys in the clip were not looking for women.

        • daisy

          Maybe not, but I like to dream.

      • beauty for ashes

        I tooooootally lurve it. This reminds me of my older sister who was a dancer. Am glad you liked it too. Maybe we can make our own routine for Howdycon.

        • Libertylover

          Thanks Beauty, that made me smile, such manic energy. I needed that, been a tough day in RL and in the bunker too. I will stick with it, but secretly I feel awful for wanting this series to be over sooner, it’s so horrid and frustrating.

          • beauty for ashes

            It’s no secret Libs, even Tony knows its hard for us bunkeroos, and he’s losing some of his regulars. It’s good work too that makes it even harder.
            I’m glad it made you laugh. And remember Tomorrow is another day!!!!

        • daisy

          Sorry, as much fun as that sounds, my body simply does not bend into unreasonable positions. I still do the Richard Simmons jazzercise I am indeed very sad. Maybe Baby will go into business with me and we can produce your video.

          • Juicer77

            That is not sad! Any fitness routine that keeps you active is terrific.

          • beauty for ashes

            Me neither I just liked the idea! Sometimes I just lob things to you funny people to see what you will say back! In fact my 80something mom is in better shape than I am!

            • daisy

              Speaking for you and fellow smart asses , we appreciate the material. You are no slouch of a comic yourself.

    • Frodis73

      Oh my 80’s flashback from hell.

      • Liberated

        Where’s my headband, where’s. my leg-warmers ? My leotard doesn’t fit anymore. Oh No!

      • beauty for ashes

        I’m sorry for that Fro. Were you a jazzerciser?

        • Frodis73

          No, though I was a FIRM girl a decade ago. I just remember the 80’s too much. lol.

    • B4you

      In what frame of mind did you find this?

      • beauty for ashes

        LOL!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Yikes !

      • beauty for ashes

        I made you look! Admit it you at least got a chuckle?

        • MaxSpaceman

          It was terrifying to behold

        • StudentOfLife

          the Jim Carrey one from In Living Color…he was so funny on the show. It’s at the end of the above video.

    • Missionary Kid

      This is almost as tacky as the Saturday Night Live synchronized swimming routine.

      • beauty for ashes

        Thanks Mish now I’m gonna have to track that down on Youtube and lose another hour!

  • I’m 209! I’m 209!

  • Fink Jonas

    A defamation law suit for using the word “Babywatch”? thank god we can use it freely here at the Bunker without being babywatched

    • Supper Powers

      I’m babywatching you. Be careful.

      • Fink Jonas

        lol

    • Juicer77

      They threatened it but didn’t act AFAIK. At that time the threat was enough to make people back down. These days we know the threats are toothless. Can you imagine the Catholic church threatening a defamation lawsuit over someone using the word “exorcism?” Ridiculous!

  • Leah, 3 hours ago.

    • mon elle

      I would die laughing if Leah gave a shout out to elle, thanking her for keeping traffic flowing to all the articles being written about Leah that elle is compelled to post to.

      • Supper Powers

        You seem to have hit it off with her. I personally think those conversations help inform the new readers.

        • mon elle

          I’ve hit something … but she’s doing her darnedest to not engage back.

          What she doesn’t know is that I do play nice. I’ve stumbled across her on a few non-Scientology stories and have been very genial there and by not dropping clues to some of her biggest “fans” (thinking anoni81b4u) who might find her non-Scientologist views to be “interesting”.

          But I think Elle deserves a quiet place in the Internet to post in. Somewhere between 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.2.

    • Laura Lou

      Love this – what an honest, true life Instagram. Lady ain’t playing. Adore her.

  • Illinoisian

    –. — — -.. / -. .. –. …. – –..– / . …- . .-. -.– — -. . .-.-.-

    Good night, everyone.
    It warms my old heart when the young’uns get up to their shenanigans late at night here at the Bunker.

    • Jimmy3

      I say tell all them young’uns to fuck off. My heart is warm enough. <3

    • Missionary Kid

      O.K., are you older than I?

      • Illinoisian

        Good morning, MK.
        Older than you? I dunno. Born the year Dior was applauded for the ‘New Look’ (shortly before my b-day) and Jackie Robinson signed with the Brooklyn Dodgers (a bit after my b-day).

        • Missionary Kid

          I was born in January 1945, Almost New Years, in India. So far, I’m the oldest fart here. Germany hadn’t surrendered yet.

          • Illinoisian

            Mr. Illinoisian has you beat by two and a half years but I’m not sure he qualifies as “here” because he is sans disqus account — but he does lurk these days. In the past, he would ask me for reports on the Bunker post & comments but now he gets his Bunker fix on his own. (Quite a change since I found the Bunker in early 2013 and he thought I was crazy.)

  • Bernie

    I’ve had one experience being with someone who went into psychosis (It may have been the new pain medication administered to this person in the final stages of cancer, or this person was entering a real down turn as a result of the disease). There were elements of bizarre speech, sexuality and amazing strength. I have such admiration for hospice nurses who know how to deal with situations like this where the patient is at real risk of self harm, and harming others. I’ll never forget it.

    The idea of no one being allowed to interact verbally with Lisa is terrible. The idea of nothing in the regimen to help her sleep to get relief from her mania is terrible. I am delighted that her story is once again being told in graphic detail. Think of how many people are reading The Bunker and then talking about it!

    • “The idea of no one being allowed to interact verbally with Lisa is terrible.”

      • richelieu jr

        The idea of no one being able to interact with Lisa ever again is even worse.

    • Liberated

      The cult did the opposite of giving a person the kind of care she needed. She made them look bad , they just wanted her to go away. So, they assisted in her demise. And, they got away with it.

      • Bernie

        “They got away with it”. Very good point. I would be so great if that case could be reopened, but I don’t know enough about the law.

        • Liberated

          They get away with everything, that God awful cult has never been held accountable for anything. It will continue until enough righteous , just people come together and do something to end their reign of terror. The Bunker is the perfect place to start.

    • Ella Raitch

      It is just the story to have here in the wake of the celebritynews involving Cathriona White (and Jim Carrey) and then Leah’s book. Maximum exposure.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I had a mini episode of having those moments when your whole world just collapses, and in my case that mental collapse conveniently came mid my meetiing with OSA to sign self incriminating legal docs that wildly misappraised my life and my Sea Org career, the “pre-RPF” legal docs that they had some pre-RPFers sign back in the 1990s I was told, by the OSA handler Kirsten Caetano, like all long term Sea Org members signed these long self condemning legal admissions docs drudging up all of your life, sort of a reverse “This is Your Life” TV show, where OSA is the host, and instead of OSA praising you for all your good deeds in your decades of Sea Org duty, the OSA team has excerpted your worst, and crafted these self incriminating legal docs of your worst for you to sign!

      It was such a slap in the face, and like an official “wrong indication” of magnitude, to those that know the L4BR handling steps for all variations of “out-list” phenomena if one is to compartment these concepts of the damage that mischaracterization language and lying false statements being forced upon one as the truth, that can have devastating “official” consequences, it did for my mind.

      That my official status was now as stated in this OSA legal crafted doc of my worst, omitting ALL of my good contributions through my years in the Sea Org.

      Thinking that incident over, just caused my mental collapse, but I hid it and carried on, but it is devastating to see the group you’ve worked for for all your adult life, as I did, and I fully mostly intended to stay the rest of my life.

      Were Scientology’s Sea Org peopled with people who were more understanding human beings, then the communal life would have been satisfactory for me to continue, but only for the fact that Scientology is a con and doesn’t make “OT” superpeople, it’s not worth anyone’s time for one second.

      “OTs” are a fantasy status, we are simply not Caspar the Ghost supersouls that can eject out of our skulls and go around and do good deeds like Hubbard claimed would be possible if Scientologists get up to the top of Hubbard’s “OT” levels.

      I should better have just refused to sign any of the history revision self condemnatory legal docs that OSA team crafted to get their members to self incriminate and admit their worst as one’s real nature, as the worst of the OSA docs were at one time written and given to the members to sign pre-RPF time.

      Anyways, on the Int RPF, over a year later, when I myself told Rich Gilbert that I would like to try the Introspection Rundown, I got it almost immediately. I was such a sucker, I thought well of the “Running Program” (I wanted to get the Running Program, I’d read the Hubbard advices, I knew it was a wholetrack “OT” process, I knew the theory, I thought it was true, so I wanted to do it to experience the claimed “OT” boost you were supposed to get), I also wanted the Introspection Rundown, I thought it might “help” because I knew the theory of the Introspection Rundown’s first step, the essentially a massively flexible “correct indication” therapy step, that would acknowledge the horrendous “wrong indication” of the OSA team legal doc signing incident that “collapsed” me into introspection.

      It did work, in a fashion, on me, as I sort of was the perfect play along dupe in Scientology. Even though in my case I was a “failed” tech person, I was far far far more tech understanding of the Hubbard tech theory, and I’d seen the old Apollo vet top of the line tech experts for real, so I knew well who really were the good people in the tech field and who were smucks.

      I was the kind of dupe Scientologist who read ALL of the theory, because I got the rundown, and I knew what Hubbard was saying that his theory for this or that rundown was going to produce.

      In my years in Scientology, due to my jobs as course supervisor, I always ‘star-rated’ the theory of everything that related to the technical (crank/crackpot) theory.

      Introspection Rundown translated back into normal language, it just means satisfactorily correcting for a person the incidents where the world has wrongly interpreted the world in a way that triggered for the person a collapse of the world so that the person was driven to severe introspection (and mental collapse).

      Once the patient Scientologist is able and well rested to go into their first session with the auditor, the first action of the auditor is just to give a sort of succinct and exact statement of the incident that preceded and which explains why the person experienced their subsequent dramatic collapse into introspection.

      Lisa never was brought to receive her session with the auditor to be given that first session statement from the auditor.

      Lisa never got her “right indication” statement.

      She like everyone, ought to never have gotten into Hubbard’s crazy crank crackpot therapy world, since it was Hubbard’s world that built up around her that resulted in her mental collapses anyways, so the Hubbard repair Introspection Rundown wasn’t the solution.

      Getting out and staying out of the Hubbard world is the only move.

      • richelieu jr

        Sounds absolutely Kafkaesque and nightmarish…

        I must say, your analogy to ‘This is Your life’ suggests a rather wonderful form for a satire or parody of the whole ridiculous cult…

        Perhaps “This is Your Lives (as remembered by L Ron Hubbard, probably)

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Hubbard’s language is ripe for endless parody and Katkaesque Orwellian Catch 22-ishness.

      • Bernie

        I am familiar with the L4BR correction list and the bulletin that outlined the manifestations of an β€œout list”. I remember having a senior tell me I was suppressive and it was so shocking to me that I felt like I had an β€œout list” and I could hardly work the next day as most of my attention was on this. Then I had a win on correcting the out list myself in my head and my attention freed up. But that’s when I still believed in the tech.

        HOWEVER, having something happen that causes that mental collapse is just another instance of why Scn messing with people’s
        minds can be so harmful. AND, not being acknowledged for all the good things and beat over the head with overts and lies is extremely slimy. I am so glad you are out Chuck, and seemingly
        sane (LOL)!!

        I had the Introspection Rundown at one point and I got to a good end point in my estimation. Way earlier in Scn for me I auditor trained but I never really made it as an auditor. However, when I was on staff I read all the new tech issues that came
        out. I also recognized that there were very few people who were really good auditors and even fewer who could manage a
        group well.

        Again, it’s so great that you are now outside looking in, instead of inside looking in, in, in….. LOL.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Hubbard’s packaging life into his fake therapy theory is debilitating and getting out of the Hubbard fiction/reality world is the only sane move. Better still is never bother with Scientology for an instant.

  • Frodis73

    Ok, computer savvy peeps, I need your help. I am test driving a laptop to see if I like. I’m using Chrome and every time I refresh the Bunker Disqus logs me out and I cannot figure out why. Any clues? This is annoying as hell.

    • B4you

      same shit here, but it has always done that. when did it not?

      • Frodis73

        It has never done that for me. I could stay logged in for weeks at multiple sites.

    • Try Firefox.

      • Frodis73

        I was wondering if it was a Firefox thing as that is what I used most of the time on the other one. I haven’t installed that one on here yet. I will get on that asap.

    • Ella Raitch

      I use Chrome and it doesn’t log me out of Disqus, so it’s not a universal chrome ‘thing’

      • B4you

        could be a cookie settings then

    • B4you
      • B4you

        Chrome
        Click the Chrome Menu Icon -> Settings
        Near the bottom of the page, click Show advanced settings
        In the “Privacy” section, click Content settings
        In the “Cookies” section, choose Allow local data to be set (recommended)
        Make sure “Block all third-party cookies…” and “Clear cookies…” are unchecked
        If third party cookies are blocked:
        Under Content settings click Manage Exceptions…
        Type [*.]disqus.com as a hostname pattern and set to Allow

        • Frodis73

          Ah ha! Thank you so much, that did it. I totally could have googled that…I is ashamed. Love ya for helping me tho.

  • Baby

    Night everyone..I am exhausted. Thank you for letting me Vent. It turned into the latest Baby Saga.. xo love and miss you all. I will be back daily again.. smooches..baby

    • Missionary Kid

      If it wasn’t such a bitch to be involved with someone like that, it’d be almost funny. I think CW picks on your friend because she was able to manipulate her in the past.

      It seems she’s trying to lure her in so she can torture her some more.

      • Baby

        I can’t sleep I have laid here for 4 hrs.. You are absolutely right. Tami does not have the strength or skill to stand up to her. I am just waiting until Tami goes to court..

        I will dust off my Suit and tell the Truth and Nothing BUT the Truth for her.

    • daisy

      Only upside of that story. Baby back daily.

      • Baby

        sweeeet.. I thought you guys had forgotten about me.. xoxoxox I kept up with Tony’s posts, but not comments…It killed me.

        • ObsessedReader

          We could never forget about Baby! πŸ™‚

          • Baby

            Awwwwww I needed that Obsessed.. xo

    • nommables

      I tried to post to the original post and my page reloaded. rrggh! I wanted to say that I have a family member who is very critical about EVERYONE’S weight. It just so happens, I love to cook/bake and am known (in our small comunity, in my “circle”) by my food. Well this family member also happens to love my cooking. Every time she compliments my food (cooking or baking) I look at her and saucily say, “Never trust a skinny cook!” She is very thin. My snarky (and probably 4th grade mentality) way to get back at her for years of harrassment! πŸ™‚

      • Baby

        Isn’t that amazing nommable.. So you know exactly what I’m talking about.. She sent Tami an email that said..” I’m sorry I offered you a candy bar due to your serious weight problem.. ”

        Tami loves her curves and has never mentioned her weight to anyone. I think CW was jealous because Tami loves food and it doesn’t bother her that she has a curvy body that she accepts fully.

        Oh great comeback nom..hahhaha.. and kudos for your cooking skills.

        • nommables

          I’m glad that Tami has you for a friend. That relentless harping can be really damaging–at the very least incredibly discouraging. You’re a good friend, Baby!

          ETA: PS: Thanks for the props for my “mad skillz” (as my 18 year old would say)! When I first go married 21 years ago, I didn’t even know how to bake a potato!

          • Baby

            I always said that I would bury a body for a true friend. But the next time someone asks me to enter a dump and turn it into a Castle I’m runnin.

            Oh nom.. that is funny.. My hubby does all the cooking. I tried a couple of times when I was wooing him, and he asked if he could take over the cooking. ha..

            So I envy you. I do have hidden talents, but my husband still hasn’t discovered them..xo

        • kemist

          The relationship between them makes me think of the one between one of my friends and my very narcissist coworker. He also likes to mentally torture her under the guise of “concern”. In his case, he uses everything he can to devalue her, her weight (she is rail thin, and I start laughing every time she mentions her weight), her appearance (she is very pretty but he tells her she’s ugly and she believes him), her age (he constantly tells her she’s old, and she is not yet 40)… Every time she meets him she becomes an emotional wreck.

          The funny thing is that this guy is pathetically insecure about himself. If she had any meanness inside of her, she could tear him into little pieces.

          • Baby

            Kemist.. That is exactly what/is happening in this dynamic. I have known Tami for 3 years..and just lately she has asked me..” Do you think I look FAT? ”

            I’m like.. ” OMG no.. You are so curvy.. you know I’ve always loved your curves. ” and I mean it. She second guessed herself and just shook when CW would come around.

            And yes CW is very insecure and tearing Tami down built herself up in her mind. This saga is far from over.

            I bet you could just strangle your co-worker.. Trust me I know exactly how you feel! So frustrating.

        • ObsessedReader

          That beautiful Tami in your picture? “Serious weight problem”? WTF? The fact that CW would say such a horrible and hurtful thing exposes some pretty serious issues of her own. I do feel a little sorry for CW, I can’t imagine spinning out of control like that. Do you know anyone that could give you more details or history of her medical/mental state? I sure hope she gets the treatment she needs and will have the clarity and fortitude to make things right for Tami (and you!). Poor Tami must have had the wind knocked out of her sails! I know that you’re very strong but this sounds like a truly horrendous experience, please take of yourself too! xo

          • Baby

            Yes,,that beautiful woman is Tami. She has never hurt a fly in her life..and she is vulnerable and very sensitive. CW would NOT let up about her weight. I have every word written by CW to Tami. They were absolutely horrible. Tami would cry and I would console..

            I could see the handwriting on the wall, but Tami insisted that I not say anything. It was literally making me sick.

            Obsessed.. I really keep to myself on the Island. I haven’t gone out of my way to meet people. I have no idea who would know about CW’s mental history.

            Tami was absolutely devastated..and of course being her only friend
            ( I worked in her restaurant which was closed because of zoning restrictions..I was her dishwasher. We became close friends and was all we needed in this community)

            I am really worried now about Tami. She is in the ” I want to be left alone ” mode. I am respecting her decision. She does have a wonderful husband who is very supportive of her. I will let you know as time progresses.

            The last time I talked to her she was going to sue. She was still getting harassed by texts and emails which she is letting pile up without answering them . She wants to take them to court. Oh and she was getting the Restraining order. Thanks for your concern..xo

            • ObsessedReader

              I hope Tami can get some of her old cleaning clients back! She sure doesn’t need financial strain on top of all this.
              I also live on an island and like to keep to myself. πŸ™‚

            • Baby

              I just texted her. She isn’t responding right now.

              I think the greatest gift that a person can have is enjoying one’s own company. I am friendly, but not social. There is a huge difference.

              Willie Nelson once said, ” The best conversations are between Me, Myself and I. ”

              I thrive in solitude. And it sounds like you do too Obsessed.. Good for you.

              My EX didn’t understand it. He kept dragging me here and there to parties..to be with his friends..their wives. I was miserable making small talk. I just wanted to be home soaking in a tub and reading.

              My hubby loves his solitude too.. We do a quick smooch in the kitchen as I sneak in for my diet coke as I make my way back to my office with a smile on my face.. : D

            • daisy

              I had to go to 2 parties in 2 weeks. Torture.

  • Jimmy3

    Don’t worry. I just talked to my guy about that thing. He said every little thing is gonna be alright. Good night, sleep tight.
    http://youtu.be/zaGUr6wzyT8

    • ObsessedReader

      This is my mantra πŸ˜‰

  • Cece

    Tony, thank you for your reporting. There are so many similar stories out here. Just keep reporting. That’s the best friend man ever had.

  • Mymy88

    πŸ™‚

  • Gabreya Bradley

    So sad to hear what Lisa was going through and how her mind became broken because of Scientology.