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Lisa McPherson’s last opportunity for standard care ended 20 years ago today

SunstarVehicle

 
Joe McDonald was angry. A paramedic tried to calm him down, but he looked at the damage done to his boat’s motor and he stared menacingly at the woman who had been so oblivious that she’d driven her red Jeep right into it.

It was a little before 6 p.m. on Saturday, November 18, 1995, and the scene at the intersection of Fort Harrison Avenue and Belleview Boulevard on the south side of Clearwater, Florida was getting chaotic. Things had started when an older woman in a sedan had collided with a man on his motorcycle. It was a minor collision, and as the traffic came to a standstill, the man was trying to pull the fender on his motorbike back into position.

Joe McDonald had just been sitting there in his pickup, waiting for the intersection to clear up again, when he’d felt the impact on the boat that he was towing behind him on a trailer. The woman in the red Jeep had run smack into his propeller, damaging the Jeep’s grille.

Paramedics Bonnie Portolano and Mark Fabyanic were already on the scene, checking to see if anyone needed assistance. They’d been called out on the motorcycle accident, and were there when the Jeep hit the boat.

McDonald told them that the woman who hit him was nuts. When he went to see what she’d done, she had said to him, “Where’s the people? Where’s the people?”

Bonnie went to talk to the woman. She was in her mid-30s, tall, and didn’t seem to be injured. She was wearing loose-fitting pants and a cotton slipover shirt that had paint stains on them. She gave her name as Lisa McPherson, and her responses, Bonnie noted, were a bit robotic. But Bonnie had been at many accident scenes, and was accustomed to people acting very strangely in the stress of that kind of situation. Lisa just seemed a bit dazed, and McDonald was pissed off. There was nothing unusual about that. Bonnie and her partner Mark had Lisa move her car to the side of Belleview Boulevard so traffic could get moving again, and then they got back in their ambulance.

And that’s when Mark said it.

“Bonnie, she’s taking off her clothes.”

“No, she’s not,” Bonnie replied.

“I’m not lying.”

Sitting in the driver’s seat and looking at his side mirror, Fabyanic could see that Lisa McPherson had stripped off every stitch of her clothing, and was now walking down the middle of the road.

Bonnie grabbed a sheet from the ambulance and ran to Lisa, wrapping it around her. Then she guided the woman into the vehicle and had her lie down.

“Lisa, why did you take off all your clothes?” Bonnie asked as she tried to soothe the confused woman.

“Well, you see, nobody knows this but I’m an OT and I don’t need a body,” Lisa answered.

Bonnie had no idea what that meant. So she tried again.

“Why did you take off all your clothes? What’s up?”

“Well, I wanted people to think I was crazy because I want help.”

Bonnie noticed that Lisa seemed exhausted, and she had a hard time keeping her eyes open. But Bonnie wanted Lisa to keep talking, and kept asking her what she needed help with.

“I’m a bad person,” Lisa said.

“Why do you think you’re a bad person?”

“I found out I’m having bad thoughts. I’m doing bad things in my mind.”

A police officer arrived, having picked up Lisa’s clothes.

“I took my eyes off the object,” Lisa added.

The police and the paramedics discussed the situation, and whether they were going to “Baker Act” Lisa — a Florida law that would allow them to take Lisa in for psychiatric evaluation either with or without her consent. They decided to take her to a nearby hospital and let the doctors there decide what to do.

When a police officer asked Lisa about where to tow her car, she gave them the address of a condo on Osceola Avenue, and it was at this point that Bonnie guessed that Lisa might be a Scientologist. Since 1975, Scientology had taken over much of downtown Clearwater, and Osceola was one block west of Fort Harrison Avenue itself, where many of the church’s buildings were located.

“Are you a Scientologist?” Bonnie asked Lisa. “Yes, I am,” she answered.

Lisa said to the police officer that her Jeep needed to be towed to a specific parking spot at her building, but the officer told her they couldn’t guarantee that. So Lisa then asked that her friend, Bennetta Slaughter, who was also her boss at AMC Publishing, where she worked, come get her car. She gave the police officer Bennetta’s phone number.

Bonnie and Mark then took Lisa to the nearest hospital, which had been named after a wealthy New York man, Morton Plant. In 1918, while the family was on vacation in Florida, Plant’s son was injured in a car accident in Clearwater, where there was no hospital at the time. Plant had to have a surgical team sent by railroad all the way from New York to treat the boy. He then paid to have a hospital built in the city, and it still bears his name.

At Morton Plant Hospital, Lisa was checked for physical injuries — there didn’t seem to be any — and then a psychiatric nurse was asked to examine her to determine if she met the criteria for being Baker Acted. But by then, some Scientologists had started arriving, and they were letting hospital personnel know that psychiatry was against everything they stood for.

There’s no doubt that Lisa was a deeply involved Scientologist and had shared the organization’s feelings about psychiatry. She was also involved in trying to improve Scientology’s reputation in the town, where the church had been viewed with suspicion since it arrived, surreptitiously, in 1975. Bennetta Slaughter, Lisa’s boss, was instrumental in a new push to make Scientology appear more friendly to the locals.

One of the things Slaughter believed could help improve Scientology’s image was an annual seasonal display called Winter Wonderland. The Los Angeles Scientology church had been putting one on for years, and Lisa enthusiastically became involved in the project to put one on in Clearwater. The display, a sort of Santa’s Village, gave the impression that Scientology celebrated Christmas. And there were certainly no public indications that, in fact, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, in his lectures, had claimed that Jesus Christ and Christianity itself were just “mental implants” that “evil psychs” had imposed on thetans — the name for our immortal selves. Jesus, in other words, was just a figment of the imagination according to Scientology. But that didn’t prevent the church from putting on a jolly holiday display to fool the locals.

 
ClearwaterWW

[Clearwater Winter Wonderland]

 
On Saturday morning, Lisa had got up very early — she annoyed Brenda Hubert, who had dropped her off at home the night before after a three-day business conference in Orlando, with a phone call at 6:30 a.m. — and wanted to get to the warehouse where her fellow AMC Publishing employees would be painting props for that year’s Winter Wonderland. She was met there that morning by Katie Chamberlain, a coworker at AMC who also happened to be Lisa’s Scientology “ethics officer.” For several hours, Lisa, Katie, and several other AMC employees painted props and talked. Then, around 1 pm, Katie took Lisa on a trip to find a store in nearby Dunedin that might have some supplies they could use, but they were unable to locate the shop. At that point, around 3 p.m., Lisa admitted that she was tired, and Katie took her home to her condo building.

Lisa’s own car, her red Jeep, was parked at the AMC Publishing location. While she was in Orlando that week, Lisa had let a friend drive it for several days, and, according to their plan, the friend had dropped it off at AMC on Saturday morning. Sometime later in the afternoon, after Katie dropped Lisa off, Bennetta Slaughter picked up Lisa to take her to her car at AMC. Lisa then spent some time at Bennetta’s house, and that’s where she was introduced to Bennetta’s new assistant, who had just arrived in town.

Her name was Mary DeMoss.

Mary was so new to her job, she hadn’t actually moved yet. She was still living in Miami and had come over to meet Bennetta and David Slaughter. And while she was there, Bennetta introduced her to Lisa. Mary noticed right away that there was something off about Lisa. She was acting bizarre and seemed disoriented. And then, suddenly, she vanished.

The way she disappeared alarmed the Slaughters, and Bennetta told Mary to sit tight while she went out to see where Lisa had gone. Lisa, meanwhile, was driving into the back of Joe McDonald’s boat.

And so, when police called Bennetta’s number from the scene of the accident, it was actually Mary DeMoss who answered the phone.

Unsure how to reach Bennetta, Mary decided on her own to head for Morton Plant Hospital to see Lisa. And that’s how Mary ended up being the first Scientologist to arrive at Lisa’s bedside.

Bennetta, meanwhile, did end up spotting Lisa’s car on the side of the road at the scene of the accident. When she learned from a police officer what had happened, Bennetta, who had an extreme aversion to emergency rooms, asked her husband David to go to the hospital, as well as an OT 8 Scientologist who also happened to be Lisa’s chiropractor, a woman named Jeannie Decuypere. Jeannie was second to arrive at the hospital and had no idea who Mary was. David soon arrived, followed by Alain Kartuzinski, a Scientology official from the Fort Harrison Hotel, and more were showing up.

When psychiatric nurse Joe Price arrived to interview Lisa, three of the Scientologists were at her bedside. One of them handed Price a brochure about Scientology’s feelings about psychiatry. It made the claim that psychiatrists rape or at least intimidate their female patients.

Price tried to ignore them as he looked Lisa over and began talking with her. He asked her why she had taken off all her clothes in the street, and she said she had done it to get attention, and that she had done it because she didn’t want to be arrested. When she answered, he noticed, it took her a moment to respond, like she was thinking hard about things. She even crossed her eyes a little before giving answers, and when Price asked about that, she said it helped her concentrate.

Price wanted to talk to Lisa alone. Joe had assured the Scientologists that he was not a psychiatrist, but a nurse. But he wondered if their presence intimidated Lisa and kept her from speaking freely. He talked to the attending physician, Dr. Flynn Lovett, who asked the Scientologists to leave the room. But they were just around the corner, and Joe could see them peeking around it, trying to hear what was going on.

He asked Lisa if she felt intimidated by the other Scientologists, but she said that she did not feel that way. Price thought she might not be telling the truth. But her answers, even with her slight delays, were cogent and clear. She didn’t appear suicidal or a danger to others. Price knew that she didn’t fit the criteria to be Baker Acted. If Lisa and the Scientologists did not want a psychiatric evaluation, the hospital would be unable to make her undergo one.

Price told Lovett what he’d found, and Lovett asked the Scientologists to allow Lisa to stay for more observation. But they told him they wanted to take her with them. They promised Lovett that they would take good care of her. Lisa, meanwhile, agreed to go with them. The hospital had no legal way to keep her.

They got Lisa dressed, and then led her away from her hospital bed, planning to put her in one of the rooms at the Fort Harrison Hotel.

When Joe Price watched them walking her down the hall, three Scientologists to each side of her, he had one thought, which he later told police.

“My God, this lady’s a prisoner.”

 
 
Reporter’s afterword: Your proprietor wrote this story after going through dozens of original police reports of interviews done with the people involved. It was only after completing it that we checked on Janet Reitman’s version of the same events in her excellent book, Inside Scientology, and realized that she — and many others — treat the Scientologists showing up at Morton Plant Hospital after Lisa McPherson’s arrival as some kind of mystery. But the original police documents don’t suggest that there’s any mystery at all. It’s right there in Bonnie Portolano’s interview: While she had Lisa in the ambulance, a police officer asked Lisa where she wanted her car towed. When he told her they couldn’t guarantee that it would be put in a specific parking spot, she said she’d rather have a friend come get it and gave the police officer a telephone number. There should be little doubt that was Bennetta’s number, and that the police officer would have told Mary DeMoss why he was calling, that Lisa McPherson was on her way to Morton Plant Hospital. It’s really no mystery at all why Scientologists — Mary was the first of them — soon began showing up there. Part of why we’re doing this new look at what happened 20 years ago is just for this reason — it’s good to clear up the little misunderstandings that even a generation of observers somehow missed.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Thanks to one of our locals on the scene who captured this young Scientology worker in Clearwater recently…

 
ClearwaterKid

 
Hey, girl. I just completed my Objectives here in Denver. And now my objective is you!

 
DenverObjectives

 
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Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 18, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Is An Emotional Teenager Writing The Scientology PR Posts?

    http://www.beenbitten.com/is-an-emotional-teenager-writing-the-scientology-pr-posts/

    • BosonStark

      “Ms. Remini also continues her bizarre efforts to harass the Church of Scientology’s leader and his wife, whom Ms. Remini has been obsessed with and has stalked for years.”

      Yeah, but she harasses them separately at least, I mean, since they’re not together, right? It’d be easier if they were together, so she could stalk and harass them in one place. Well, that all sounds just so weird and interesting, and probably served as incentive for a lot of people to read Leah’s book.

      I guess the cult publishes these statements on their website, because they’re obviously aimed at cult members only, and they’re not going to read the articles to which they are attached. The thing is, wouldn’t some of them kind of pique the interest of cult members too, like what did happen to Shelly?

      • beauty for ashes

        Harasses them separately! YMML *you make me laugh*

        • daisy

          Cant find YMML in urban dictionary , seen it before?

      • Mockingbird

        All the Freedom propaganda is for internal consumption only. Even though imbecilic idiocy like The Posse of Lunatics story leads people like myself to actually look outside the cult for answers. Once that bizarre story contradicting basic Scientology doctrine came out I looked at the internet, ended up looking at Scientology Mythbusting and it was game over. Thanks Freedom for living up to your name, accidentally.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Answer: Yep

    • Ben Franklin

      Remember Jon Atack’s article? “When the militant Scientologist falters, you find a cowering 12-year-old inside”

      http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/16/jon-atack-when-the-militant-scientologist-falters-you-find-a-cowering-12-year-old-inside/

      • Mockingbird

        My biography. Thanks Jon.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I have always suspected that Dimwit McSavage has the emotional maturity of a teenager, so it’s possible…

      • Mockingbird

        You give him far too much credit.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          hah

        • ze moo

          Something no school or college has done.

  • BosonStark

    Mary DeMoss was quite the busy bee. Her first month in Clearwater and she was involved in the McPherson disaster. I can’t say the details of the closing in on Lisa of cult handlers following the accident was any surprise, except for that! Too bad Mary wasn’t there to handle Katie Holmes. She probably would have divorced Tom after six months. Although Tommy “Xenu” Davis and Jessica did a pretty good job, and helped get Leah Remini out of the cult too.

    Mary, I believe is out of the cult, changed her name, and in politics.

    • Marc Headley

      Mary DeMoss left Scientology almost 10 years ago. She had just met Bennetta and JUST met Lisa for 2 minutes when she was with Bennetta. Mary was not a “busy bee.” She just showed up and happened to be there right before Lisa got into her accident. That’s it.

      Mary left Scientology and has been harassed and tormented for a few hours of time she spent in Scientology 20 years ago. Maybe cut her some slack seeing as it has been 20 years and she no longer has anything to do with Scientology…

      • Sunny Sands

        It’s always good to hear someone has left the cult.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    666? Let’s fix that.

    • Mockingbird

      My lucky number !

  • Sunny Sands

    Baker Acting Lisa would probably not have helped in the long run, IMO. The Baker Act is an involuntary 3-day psychiatric commitment. After 3 days, the patient is given some medication, and told they need follow-up with a doctor, then let go. Almost no one is kept longer than the 3 days, and taking the pills is voluntary.

    • Juicer77

      The only way it could have helped is to scare away the Co$ handlers. After a couple of days perhaps, just perhaps, Lisa would have been in a frame of mind to contact her mother or another family member.

      • Sunny Sands

        Interesting point about scaring away the Co$ handlers. If she had spent 3 days involuntarily committed, she may have been unqualified for some or all sci services, but I don’t know the sci rules about that.

        • aegerprimo

          Claire Headley and Sunny Pereira mentioned in Tony’s article yesterday would be qualified to answer the question of what the Co$ “rules” are about that.

          • Sunny

            Funnily enough, the rules about psych treatment and medications changed throughout the time I was a Case Supervisor. In 95, I would say as long as she was not institutionalized she would not have been illegal pc.
            After 95, for a good several years (up to 04 when I left), taking psych meds would make a person illegal, whether they were prescribed by a psych or not.
            Anyone who had psych care and could not remember it was a high risk, and likely would be illegal pc.

            It was pretty common any time a staff member or Scientologist ended up in a hospital there would be either another Scientologist or staff member who would show up and make sure that the person was not touched or talked to by psych staff. That was SOP. They would also ask about every single drug or medication given and some would be refused by the Scientologist (for the patient) if it was ever used as a psych drug. I can’t remember the name of one of them, but it is a common medication for nausea and also considered something psychs use so it would always be refused.

            • PickAnotherID

              That’s not quite as easy these days. The patient has to sign a release specifically naming what individuals medical info, including meds, can be released to. Shmuck $cilon can’t just walk in and demand to know what the patient is being given, and what it’s for.

        • Juicer77

          Even beyond the $ci rules about eligibility for services, after a couple days she may have been considered bad PR or not worth keeping due to her productivity being too low. Any of the multiple excuses the Co$ uses to kick people to the curb. Plus, every hour she was away from $ci influence, getting away from the pressure cooker of her work and “religious” life (even temporarily) may have given her reason to question the Co$ policies.

    • Tony Ortega

      Something tells me her family in Dallas, which would have had plenty of time to get to Florida in three days, might disagree with you.

      • Mockingbird

        I will take three days in a hospital over the care David Miscavige provided. Talking to people that have buried their children in Scientology has created tremendous frustration in me, you could even say I am bitter.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oops – Tony covered it.

    • TrishRan

      I had a friend in St Pete who was Baker Acted because he was blatantly suicidal and owned a gun. They had to release him after 3 days. He went home and shot himself.

      • Sunny Sands

        I’m so sorry for your loss. That is the unfortunate typical situation.

      • aegerprimo

        In California the law is Section 5150. Same thing. My friend was an alcoholic and owned a gun. He was committed under watch for 72 hours and released. He shot himself a few days later.

      • ReallyMGM

        I’m terribly sorry about your friend. A mother in my daughter’s class committed suicide 2 days after what was thought be a successful stay in rehab. She had battled depression all of her life. She was a lovely woman with a beautiful family but was sick with a terrible disease that, despite her best efforts, couldn’t fight anymore.

      • Kim O’Brien

        be a good idea for people not to own a gun . I see a theme here . Let’s thank the NRA for the fact that the state welfare authorities are not allowed to even ask if there is a gun in the home …let alone get it out of there .

        • TrishRan

          As I recall, they weren’t allow to take his gun.

          • Kim O’Brien

            ugh ..that just makes zero sense . I am so, so sorry

          • ze moo

            That depends on where you live. In NY, if you ever passed a background check at a gun dealer or gun show, it is in a record that mental health authorities can check. But yes, far too many allowed to go home and they sometimes pick up a gun. Past sad……

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        So sorry – I wish I could say there was headway in reforming all this, but until the insurance companies start covering mental illness and meds more than they do now, it continues as a problem. Also, so few centers and places to take them where they will get the type of care they need. It’s an issue that effects almost all of us – family and friends, if not mental illness, then addictions, or fundamentalism, the latter something I’ve seen growing in the last decade. Hoping you have many warm and happy memories to hold on to.

    • Kim O’Brien

      those 3 days could have been a lifetime .

    • ze moo

      There are many shade of legal responsibility in commitment cases. If 2 doctors (usually psychiatrists) agree the patient is still a danger to themselves or others, they can petition the courts for a longer involuntary commitment.

  • J. Swift

    Thanks for doing this important chronology Tony.

    Just as Program Snow White was a defining negative event in Scientology so was the death of Lisa McPherson. When Snow White went down and the FBI raid occurred, Hubbard was firewalled by Mary Sue Hubbard and the ten other senior GO who were criminally charged. Hubbard had the means and the money to go into hiding.

    This was not the case with David Miscavige and the death of Lisa McPherson. Miscavige couldn’t run away and hide as he was drawn deeper into the legal investigation. Nevertheless, Miscavige had learned a great deal from his battles with the IRS CID and the IRS EO.

    Hence, the same Scientology ten point program of sleazy lawbreaking was implemented:

    1. Hire a battalion of expensive lawyers and experts cost be damned. The goal here is to fight every legal and forensic finding.

    2. Destroy evidence as needed. In other words, engage in whatever felonies were needed to protect Miscavige and the Church.

    3. Mobilize OSA to hire PI’s to spy, intimidate, and harass the opposition.

    4. Use whatever overt or covert means necessary to obstruct justice and impede the investigation by the authorities. Do not cooperate. Do not turn over documents unless compelled to do so by the court.

    5. Put OSA spies into the enemy camp to collect data.

    6. Insulate rank and file Scientologists from the facts by lying to them: Lisa died as a result of a car accident and now the Psychs and SP’s are exaggerating this mundane event to attack Mankind’s only hope of salvation, etc. This is feeding Scientologists the same BS they uncritically swallowed in Snow White, Wollersheim, Hubbard’s death, etc.

    7. Lie to the rank and file and then use Lisa’s death to raise money for what would be ultimately be a $100,000,000 legal and intelligence operation to safeguard David Miscavige from charges of negligent homicide. The immutable rule in the Cult of Scientology: The leader must never be held to account for his gross criminal behavior.

    8. Create the distracting propaganda event of Germany’s “persecution” of Scientology. Scream to the media that the Church of Scientology is being persecuted.

    9. Create the distracting propaganda event of the Super Power building.

    10. Long after the maximum amount of PR damage has been done to the Church and David Miscavige and the legal evidence is in public record then, and only then, settle with the McPherson estate for a huge sum of money on the eve of trial.

    • Mockingbird

      I wish this can all come out in public court and receive more press than any prior Scientology story.

    • jane456

      You know, it makes me happy that tiny fists is sort of in hiding. Hiding from being served…… …….. It makes me smile to think he can never go to a public place, never stroll down a public street, or really go anywhere in public. Maybe he doesn’t know the difference. ….but everyone else does. Just imagine all the things he will probably never be able to do…..would be a long list.

      • Bernie

        Yes, he is his own jailer. Lucky he is not out with normal people. He is always grumpy and dissatisfied and people annoy him no end. Not to mention going into alcohol withdrawal daily a few hours after he wakes up.

    • He also goes in personally against the weakest link, like Joan Wood’s lawyer (spit!), or the IRS top people, and wears them down over time.

      Me, I think I’d want to toss him out the nearest window, but it’s worked for him in the past, so there you go.

    • Bernie

      It would be wonderful if documents relating to #3 came to light….and then a re-trial for wrongful death.

  • PickAnotherID

    Later folks. Taking everyone to I-Hop, then off to my Grandaughter’s recital and her first violin solo tonight.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ah, enjoy 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Bring roses!

    • Mockingbird

      Enjoy.

    • flyonthewall

      RUTTI-TUTTI-FRESH AND FRUITY!

      • Juicer77

        Jim Gaffigan: “I don’t know why they call it I-HOP. They should call it I Barely Move.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Don’t get mad at me, Fly. Sherb made me do it!

        https://youtu.be/q6eV2EUxW8E

        • Missionary Kid

          At least you didn’t pick the Pat Boone Whitebread version. It sucks.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Gahhh no!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d use that version as an earworm if I wanted to really annoy someone.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I never have recovered from the Pat Boone in leather thing.

            • Missionary Kid

              That was as faux as rock and roll can be.

        • Sherbet

          Sure, blame it on the kid sister.

    • beauty for ashes

      Bring tissues!

  • Mockingbird

    This topic has tremendous basis in Scientology doctrine and practices.
    Why Lying And Murder Are Justified In Scientology Part 1 and Part 2

    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/10/why-lying-and-murder-are-justified-in.html?m=1

  • flyonthewall

    If one of your friends, specifically the nutty one prone to pranking you, suddenly invites you to Florida for an all expenses paid vacation, be wary. He probably has plans to Baker Act you bc he thinks it would be funny.

  • Science Doc

    Science Doc here. First I want to thank all of you who sent me well wishes during the recent surgeries and recovery. During a brief period of lucidity and activity in the hospital I was able to read most if not all of these, and when I get a bit better I’m going back over these again. When Missionary Kid and I most recently met for lunch back in August, my lower spine had recently failed at another level, and I was in constant pain and hobbled. Before the neurosurgeon would schedule the truly major proceedure necessary, I had to go through a dozen or more hoops including facete injections, a day surgical proceedure. I also had numerous X-rays, MRIs, a CAT scan, EKG, bone density scan, blood work, urinalysis, and examinations by a total of at least four physicians. One of them, an old drinking buddy, found a completely unrelated carcinoma that needed to come out right away, hence a bonus surgery before the main event. The cancer surgeon got all of it, but I’ll have follow ups every six month from now on.

    The back surgery was scheduled for November 9 back in September. The plan was for a team of vascular surgeons to go into my left front side and take out my intestines to clear the way for the neurosurgeons who would assault the spine from the front and the back. When they took me into the OR at 7:30 AM, I was given an estimate of 3 hours in surgery and one hour in recovery. It ended up being ten hours in surgery and three in recovery. What went wrong? I don’t know. They filed out the bones near the nerve roots, jacked me up at two levels, manufactured artificial disks and metal cages and installed them, harvested bone off of my pelvis, manufactured that into bone grafts, amd put a lot of screws in through the back.

    Anesthesia gas makes you really sick, and a long proceedure can be brutal. The opiate in the pain pump was bad news and made me crazy. Worse of all, the intestines tend to shut down when they are handled, and mine shut down completely for at least four days. I couldn’t eat drink or sleep. They had to take me off of pain meds and put me on five different laxatives until I lost all control.

    I’ve been home for a few days (city home), and moving around with a walker a little. Yeasterday I actually had a normal meal, and I’m going to try to move out of the city early next week. No big travel for another five weeks, and if something falls on the floor and I don’t have a snake stick nearby, it has fallen beyond the event horizon.

    Anyhow, tougher recovery than I expected, but the initial neurological findings suggest a successful surgery. Another positive outcome for science based medicine.

    Next week I’ll get at least one chance to go by Narconon Warner Springs. If they are rebranding the facility, I’ll get the photos and share them here.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Excellent news – just make sure you take good car of yourself, and don’t overdo things! When you’re a bit stronger, I’ll tell you about my recent post-op constipation trauma!

      • Kim O’Brien

        “constipation trauma!”
        those two words should never be together . Eeek

      • Science Doc

        I’ll actually be very interested in that. Most people will have no idea what we’re talking about and may not want to read it.

        • Juicer77

          Little late now for you, but I took those individually wrapped prunes in to the hospital with me. XD Helped with the nausea when they fed me pills on an empty stomach, too.

          • Science Doc

            Second person who has testified to prunes. What they gave me worked too well amd not well enough.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m still working on the part about “intestines don’t like to be handled”

            • Juicer77

              No wonder. They basically put your GI tract in a stasis field for the better part of a day!

      • Jimmy3

        It was more like what you would call “amateur surgery”, but I have a horror story, too.

        • Scream Nevermore

          ‘amateur surgery’ – dear gods!

          • Jimmy3

            Don’t worry — I was the amateur.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, you finally pulled out that little splinter? Good job, Jimmy. Here’s a Hello Kitty bandaid for you.

      • Missionary Kid

        A lot of people don’t know that opiates tend to constipate a person.

    • Kim O’Brien

      you sound bionic ! please take care of yourself …and let others help take care of you . Good thoughts !

    • daisy

      Excellent news, steadily don’t push yourself to far and lose momentum. So glad you are getting through what sounds like a hellish ordeal. Pace yourself .

    • Jimmy3

      Hobbled and still on the job! Respect. Pulling for you, Doc.

    • ReallyMGM

      So glad you are feeling better. Surgery is never fun, but that sounds brutal. Being restricted by health is rotten. Take care of yourself and looking forward to your photos.

    • Juicer77

      Wow, you have been through the ringer. Besides everything else I hope the anesthesia headache was bearable (or not present at all). Sounds like you are finally turning the corner to some real healing. Glad you are getting good progress reports. Slow and steady, keep on keeping on! Be extra careful as you shuffle about. No falls – that’s an order!! (says someone who knows from experience).

      • Science Doc

        I left out the near spiral into pneumonia. The anesthesia and Dilantin or whatever the opiate was called were truly awful. I would have confessed if it was torture.

        • Juicer77

          🙁

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Are you going to be written up in some kind of medical science journal? – because this is the most amazing surgery story I have ever heard – you have like bionic courage to get through all that.

          • Science Doc

            Actually my first neurosurgery was in a medical journal. That was the entire cervical spine, and over a decade ago. This one was routine if brutal. It is part of clinical study through, so your point is actually true.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Routine? (thinks about that, faints)

            • ze moo

              Thirty years ago, my neurosurgeon used my mri films in his medical school class. I felt like that guy in beginning of Young Frankenstein.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Holy Bionic Man, SD! That is … well, I don’t know what the hell that is, but I tell you what – you picked the first day for your story – it actually is cheering me up! Stay calm and if you drop it, call Amazon!

      http://i.imgur.com/BLQRBxJ.jpg?3

      • Science Doc

        Yea. There are a lot of replacement parts.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I am inclined to think that bionic Science Doc would be a much friendlier looking:

        • Missionary Kid

          He is.

    • That we can do this sort of surgery is astonishing, but I’m so sorry you’ve been put through the ringer like this. Constipation is no laughing matter. Take excellent care of yourself. I’m pretty sure there’s going to be a big dance number in the HowdyCon floorshow, and we’ll need you able to do a decent high-kick by then.

    • Tony Ortega

      If the Underground Bunker had a medal of honor, you would be the first recipient. Battle on, Science Doc.

      • Science Doc

        Thank you Tony, but you get the medals here.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Tony gets the Medal of Honor, but you get Valorous Meritorious!

          • Science Doc

            How about Cyborg of the Week?

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That’s it!

            • ReallyMGM

              I bet getting through the metal detectors at airports is going to be fun now!

            • Juicer77

              Nope, everything they put in is non-reactive (titanium?) You sail right through. 🙂

            • Science Doc

              This is true. They even make guns out of titanium.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that metals, including titanium will react to the magnetic field put out by the metal detector. It’s not a matter of being reactive chemically, but the fact that since electrons move relatively freely through metals, they produce the eddy currents that unbalance the oscillating fields put out by the metal detector.

              Plastic guns are undetectable by metal detectors.

            • Science Doc

              Titanium implants have no effect on the resolution of MRI images, but that relates to magnetic susceptibility. You are correct that eddy currents should unbalance an oscillator, but the sensitivity must be so dialed down that most medical implants get through. A plastic gun needs a metal barrel and firing mechanism. Titanium plus plastic should get on the plane.

            • ze moo

              The firing pin has to be metal, but the barrel can be plastic. You only get 1 or 2 shots out of plastic barrel.

            • Juicer77

              *not an endorsement do anything of the sort!*

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Alrighty then. A song for our Science Doc. Hit it, Paul!

              https://youtu.be/UBvH5aTuqVo

            • Missionary Kid

              See my answer to Science Doc. Titanium is a metal, so it will set off a metal detector.

            • Juicer77

              Perhaps the security folks knew what they were looking at, and didn’t bother to pat me down. No alarms went off that I saw or heard.

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Tony is sort of an El Generalissimo that way.

    • Missionary Kid

      I think it’s a good sign that even under intense pain meds that you posted very lucidly here on the Bunker. Get well soon.

      I’m thankful that none of the surgery impeded your typing ability.

      • Science Doc

        That was the first surgery that did that. Let’s try to get together next month.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was also referring to your posting after the second surgery. Next month sounds great.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      My God Science Doc that is brutal. I am so glad you are on the mend. Take care of yourself.

      And darn it that you are not up for traveling quite yet – if you were up and about, you could volunteer to do your liability formula at Narconon Warner Springs – according to SecCheck, they are looking for volunteers “to help paint and bring the facility up to the Ideal standard that all Narconons are trying to achieve.” https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/11/18/volunteers-wanted-narconon-warner-springs/

      • Science Doc

        Yes, I saw that, and I hope to get photos.

    • Vaquera

      Oh honey! I haven’t been in the comments on a regular basis and, therefore, didn’t know about your (shall we call it?) adventure. Glad you are gaining strength. Steady as she goes, my dear.
      http://youtu.be/zkD-xIUYPq8

    • Wow. It hurts just to read what you went through. Sending good vibes your way and wishes of recovery.

    • Frodis73

      I am hurting just reading what you have gone through. Please take care of yourself and take it easy. I hope you recover quickly and bounce back. {{Hugs}

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Take good care of yourself Doc. Sending love and good vibes your way. ❤

    • Nat-leficent

      Well wishes for your recovery.

    • beauty for ashes

      “but the initial neurological findings suggest a successful surgery”
      YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • salin

      What an arduous medical adventure. Good news, always a great sign! Keep healing, be patient, and err on the cautious. <3

    • nommables

      Good grief! And you’re here, giving us a report? Amazing! Wishing you a speedy recovery!

    • Ella Raitch

      Sending love from Down Unda Doc xxx

    • Sherbet

      What everyone else said, Doc. Beaming you restored health. And a very gentle hug.

    • Narapoid

      Rock on Science Doc! Thank you for sharing as it helps me put my aches and pains into correct perspective. Here’s a tune and performance with no special meaning, it just makes me smile, and may it do the same for you pilgrim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0dKtiWTKaA

    • Our thoughts are with you. Hugs!

    • Gabbyone

      It is a very difficult surgery to get through, but you will not believe how much better you are going to feel in a few weeks. Just be really cautious, don’t overdo anything, and before you know it you’ll be as good as new.

    • thetastic

      Well,that beats yesterday’s boob wire by a mile! Wishing you a speedy recovery.

    • Lurkness

      Wow. Here’s to a full and speedy recovery Doc!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Holy mother of moly, Doc! Amazing what you’ve just been through. Can we call you bionic now? All the best wishes to you.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I think Bob Marley said it: You never know how strong you are until being strong is your only choice.. Sending you good vibes, Science Doc..

    • safeweb

      Dear Science Doc, it does sound like you went through a lot with that surgery but you have totally hijacked this thread on to something about yourself when it was about Lisa McPherson on the anniversary of her accident. I think there would have been a better time for you to bring up this surgery news. Hijacking a thread is not appropriate.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Are DM’s guards the Prawn Brawn ?

    Bet I could take ’em all.

    I know karate, jōdō, Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu, kenjutsu, iaidō,
    batto-jutsu, kyudō, naginatajutsu, shiatsu, amma, sushi,
    miso, wakame and many other Japanese words.
    I could take ’em all.
    With a little FBI criminal probe ‘n some RICO charges. 🙂

    Power over MEST? Clear the planet?
    Twenty years later AND still you can’t make it go away.
    You can’t even clear your asthma!

    Tick Tock, Dave
    Small emperors have fallen before you.

    • flyonthewall

      and many other japanese words, lol, love it

    • Science Doc

      I am proficient in many forms of sashimi.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I am a student of the Scottish martial arts – seeyoujimmy and gettaefu’yabassa.

    • Vaquera

      I don’t know any of those, so if it’s all right, I’ll stand behind you. Xo

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Karate limericks – chop chop

      • daisy

        I will be the one resolutely cowering behind you with a stake in case they bring along Zombies. If I can tell the difference.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I do sushi. Does that count? Oh wait, that’s on the list. hah

    • salin

      Throw in some Hopkido & whipping some hot wassabi at them with Glee

  • Sunny Sands

    I inquired of the State whether or not Narconon Suncoast has a license. I received today a response from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Program Office that “The SAMH Program Office is in the process of reviewing their application for licensure”. So it appears they do not yet have a license, and I assume cannot yet accept clients.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Hm. I wonder f they would get turned down for licensure?

      • Sunny Sands

        Lovely idea. How would Freedom Magazine report that, after the big grand opening?

        • ReallyMGM

          Freedumb seems to be in a state of “shut down.” They haven’t had a new issue since September. (They still are advertising for new writers if anyone needs a job.)

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            They’re probably waiting for Tony to take a damn vacation already so they know what to write smear.

    • Frodis73

      I wonder if any letters written protesting NarCONon would be considered. It blows me away that the SAMH office would/could be totally clueless about the scam.

    • salin

      So why the rush for the Hoopla of a Grand Opening? Oh, right. Operation Distraction.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Trouble? What Trouble? Oh look over here – shiny ribbons! And Balloooooons!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So they opened without a license. Now there’s a shock. Did you by any chance let them know that they had an official opening?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Somebody needs to call PETA and rescue Shooter, the Narconon Suncoast “drug dog”. Have you ever seen a sadder face on a little pooch? Poor doggie, even he knows they are batsh#t crazy!
      (refresh)
      https://instagram.com/p/-AT6XfKPYk/?taken-by=johnny_lechnar

      https://instagram.com/p/9RknbDKPZ6/

      • Nat-leficent

        shooped above

  • Juicer77

    O/T just saw the most beautiful tribute by a man who lost his wife in the Paris attacks. He was talking to the attackers and saying they had failed. His wife is gone, but will be with him and their son every day. He refused to give them the hatred they wanted. Just amazing.

  • Vaquera

    The McPherson serial is a rough ride.
    Anyone need sustenance?
    I just made some tacos.
    Enough for all.
    Line starts at my screen door.

    • flyonthewall
    • Nat-leficent

      I need a higher dose of antidepressants — just joking — I have enough.

      • Vaquera

        Extra helping of serranos?

        • Nat-leficent

          Hell no, my mom tries to do that pain endorphin thing to me all the time!

          Thank you though.

          • Jimmy3

            Hey, I’m just trying to order a drug-free taco here, and you’re holding up the line with mommy issues.

            • Nat-leficent

              Listen bud, I take my therapy wherever I can get it. Get back in line!

            • Jimmy3

              *mumbles* yeh ill give you some therapy where you can get it.

      • beauty for ashes

        I’m thinking I might need something good to look forward to at the end, like a visit to colorodo! Or Baby’s house! 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Extra salsa, please and thank you! xoxo

      • flyonthewall

        NO SALSA FOR YOU! NEXT!

        • Vaquera

          Taco nazi

        • Juicer77

          You meanie!

      • Vaquera

        Do you now live in a taco dead zone? Quel horreur!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          How horrible. Uncivilized! Should we send care packages, Juice?

          I ordered a pizza once when in Glasgow for a visit. Still brings a tear to me eye, it does. That’s when I learned about Indian food. And curry on pizza. In Scotland. Everyone got a good laugh at silly ‘merican. I couldn’t understand a damn word they said anyway if they tried to warn me.

          • ReallyMGM

            Curry pizza? And they laughed? Where I live you can buy BBQ pizza (bbq pork). Not my favorite, but with a few beers it isn’t as bad as it sounds.

          • Vaquera

            In the late 80’s I lived in a east coast downtown area. After calls to four different pizza places, someone finally said, “Ma’am, you live in a pizza dead zone.” Seriously…we lived in the center of the city!

            • salin

              90s pregentrification East Palo Alto. Delivery desert. No delivery in grad school? Meh.

        • Juicer77

          IKR?!? We managed to find a “Mexican” restaurant nearby. Let’s just say if you haven’t had good Mexican food in a while, it passes the test if you don’t concentrate too hard. 😉

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Just point me towards the bar so I can start mixing drinks. 🙂

      • Vaquera

        Heading of to a middle school choir concert shortly, so yes, pour me a stiff one, pls.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Oh my. I’ll make it a double.

          • Vaquera

            Make it a double Crown and Fresca.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Mango and raspberry margarita with a lime twist, please.

    • Jimmy3

      I’d like my taco with snow and ice. Unless you’re a cop. Then I just want napkins and ketchup packets.

      • Jimmy3

        those are free right

        • Vaquera

          All tacos and their accoutrements are always gratis for my library door knight.

    • Supper Powers

      I approve this message.

    • Observer

      F5

  • flyonthewall

    I don’t think this was mentioned yet but today is the 37th anniversary of the Jonestown massacre. Here is a good article by Rinder on the parallels of Scientology and People’s Temple. Not implying or trying to start a debate on whether a Jonestown could happen in Sci, just thought I’d mention the anniversary out of respect to the victims and their families so that they are remembered.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lessons-of-history-jonestown/

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      On a happier note, today is also the 30th anniversary of the launch of Calvin & Hobbes.

      • flyonthewall

        i hate happy

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Someone needs to ride a cardboard box to Mars.

        • Nat-leficent

          No you don’t — you’ve just forgotten what it feels like. I think we all have . . .

          • flyonthewall

            this song should cheer everyone up

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP7zE895nwY

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              You are just a fountain of positivity today.

            • flyonthewall

              i’ve got fucking smiles coming out my ass over here

            • Mockingbird

              Shoop.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Pics!

            • Mockingbird

              Arrghhh !

            • beauty for ashes

              hahahahhaha! I would totally be the one dancing by myself to this song in the goth clubs. It ironically has made me happy. 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              that was my plan all along

            • beauty for ashes

              This is a great song to shout sing in the car, gonna have to find the CD and do that.

      • Nat-leficent
      • Mockingbird

        A million times better.

    • Laura Lou

      Just read his article – it’s a very worthwhile compare/contrast to make. As he states, it’s obviously not a prediction about Scientology, but a good look at the psychological and emotional motivations of joining a cult. Whether or not the result ends in mass suicide or literal massacre, it presents an extremely important question as to how the line should be drawn in terms of legally protecting Freedom of Religion, while simultaneously avoiding a slippery slope.

    • jane456

      The first and only time a USCongress person was assasinated.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Rep Leo Ryan’s Chief of Staff at the time was Jackie Speier, and she was there too. She is now a member of Congress herself.

  • beauty for ashes

    Today is a terrible day to have run out of ginger ale. Also If you haven’t noticed from the chronic upvoting, I just want to acknowledge how everyone is feeling. 🙂 Judy Garland says it best.
    For Lisa <3 I hope you feel wherever you are that we all are trying our best to honor you. (((Hugs Bunkerboos)))
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSZxmZmBfnU

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)
    • Leigh Andrews

      They paved paradise and put up a parking lot?

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Scientology Melbourne’s screening of Battlefield Earth.

    • Mark
      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Great movie, but not a caption.

        • Nat-leficent

          Don’t be so rigid — remember we’re neuro-typicals!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Neuro whaa? I can’t keep up.

            • Nat-leficent

              That’s a name some autistic people call non-autistic people.

      • Nat-leficent

        I love this movie.

    • Science Doc

      Remember to to turn out the lights.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        And wax those floors that totally aren’t a waste of a few square miles of forest.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      David Miscavige fan club meeting.

    • Leigh Andrews

      We have no need for the soft pillow or the comfy chair!

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Comfy chairs are for Big Beings.

        • Leigh Andrews

          I was thinking more along the lines of Monty Python’s “Spanish Inquisition” routine.

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            Ah.

    • beauty for ashes

      “If I take that exit on the right will it trip an alarm? I gotta get the hell out of here!”

    • Libertylover

      This is a leaked photo of everyone who has attained true Clear and OT, all together in one room.
      Marked not for release by OSA.

    • daisy

      Mess hall , I grain of rice on each seat

    • daisy

      Are those chairs lined up the way Dave told them to ? yes, thank-you chairs.

    • daisy

      AA meeting here ? We aren*t some f%?&%king church. Wait….

    • daisy

      Now when they come in , start the music ( Queen ) and take 3 away at once. We have got so many in the RPF its going to take f?&%king all night.

    • aegerprimo
    • PickAnotherID

      How do I serve a foreclosure notice on these guys when there’s no one here but dust bunnies?

  • nottrue

    This is funny….

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Dude… the Luke Skywalker ‘do does not look good on you. It looks like you skinned a skunk and put the fur on your head.

    • beauty for ashes

      Must have used an old picture though, it still sort of looks like him.

      • ze moo

        The last week has seen TC showing off his ‘guns’ {large biceps and arms} to various ladies on the set of Jack Reacher. He was not so buffed up in the MI movie. Steroids???

        • beauty for ashes

          IANAD but he is bulky and puffy, has man boobs and hair thinning. Somethings going on. Could be steroids.

        • aegerprimo

          Steroids affect penis size, not it a good (sought after) sort of way. Just sayin’.

    • Sid (Phil)

      So far David Miscavige has said he’s only raised enough money for a one way ticket.

    • Science Doc

      Will he ride on the outside?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Well I, for one, think Tom will make an excellent Grand Poobah of Scientology. Does it come with the hat?
      http://static.tvgcdn.net/mediabin/galleries/shows/g_l/ha_hh/happy_days/1/happy-days10.jpg

    • Ella Raitch

      No return ticket required

  • Mark

    Ida R. Wylie—author of Torch Song and Keeper of the Flame among much else—once said “Many people go from infancy to senility without ever achieving maturity.” Looks like Scientology’s going the other way, with much the same result (refresh COB’s pampers now now now):

    • ze moo

      Excellent shoop! giggle, giggle…..

  • Supper Powers

    People are taking Scientology Watching to a whole new level.

    *snickers*

  • Miss Tia

    FINALLY!!! Our one stop Howdycon site is up! 🙂 http://www.howdycon.com Room reservation links on ‘Radisson’ and I included a couple visuals in case people needed help (there’s no shame in that, sites are confusing) and on the Radisson page is a link to a ‘sharing’ page if you want to try to find someone to share a room with to cut the price in half. I reserved mine and yes, yes indeed our HowdyCon code is YSCOHB 🙂 Every page has disqus for comments (duh), suggestions, etc…..I had a friend look at it and they told me to increase the font and change the type. I’m old school and do html coding–and no, i don’t do frills, just a basic site, so that took awhile, then they suggested I change the type to another and I told them to have a nice day (increasing the size was a good suggestion though).

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yay Tia! Will go for a look now.

    • Awesome job, Tia! Thank you.

      • Sherbet

        It’s amazing! I’m pretty glad Boston wasn’t chosen, because I couldn’t have done that much work so quickly.

        • Miss Tia

          I’m sure you could have!! And if Boston hosts the next HowdyCon, the site, store, email, whatever, will be set up for ya to take over and change/use however you wish! 🙂

          • Sherbet

            You set the bar pretty high, Tia. Excellent job.

            • Miss Tia

              Thanks Sherb! Trying to be thorough to ensure every has a good time! 🙂

      • Miss Tia

        Not a problem!! Sorry it took so long!! I’m STILL chuckling that our discount code is YSCOHB. That just amuses me to no end! —it really doesn’t take much 😉 Looking forward to meeting everyone!!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Hmm – I might do camping or at least a trip to Brandywine Falls

      • Miss Tia

        Jimmy3 mentioned he was gonna rent a suite (they’re given a deal on that) and people could stay there—king bed and a sleeper sofa. You might be able to camp at the Radisson! 🙂

        • Eivol Ekdal

          I have a buddy near Akron that I might crash with.

          • Miss Tia

            I live in Akron!! It’s 35-40 minutes to Cleveland from Akron—well from where I live (Robinette Ct, 44310). There’s a page for ‘sharing’ on the Radisson page if you want to find a roommate or someone to just share room with! Glad your gonna be there though—wherever you may stay!! 🙂

            • Susan B.

              You all are making me so homesick! I was born in Cleveland, went to Kent State, left Ohio in 1988 for Philadelphia then moved to the SF Bay Area in 1990. Been here ever since. Hmmmm, maybe I should take another trip next June. I was in Cleveland, actually the eastern suburbs, to visit my parents this past September. My parents are in Highland Heights. My clever brother calls it “Redundancy Heights.” We left the city’s east side and moved to that suburb in the mid-70s and we kids went to Mayfield High School –for any of you who are familiar with those places. On my recent trip I took the RTA Green Line from the airport (west side) all the way east past Shaker Square to the end of the line at S. Green Road. The ride from the airport on the RTA was wonderful. It wasn’t crowded and people helped me with my huge suitcase. People are really friendly and have a great sense of humor. The greenery that surrounded the train tracks had me mesmerized and the train’s A/C was a great escape from the heat. Well maybe that’s cuz in I’m California and we are having a nasty drought. If you take the RTA from Shaker Square to Green you’ll see beautiful old mansions. There’s some good restaurants at Shaker Square. There’s a Shaker Historical Society and a park with the Shaker Lakes. You won’t see any Shakers though. Darn, they should have re-thunk that celibacy thing!

              http://www.shakerhistoricalsociety.org/learn/the-shakers/

            • Miss Tia

              I’m a Kent Stater!!! 🙂 I started in 1988!! Frodis73 is a Kent Stater too! Yes, if you can please make a trip next June!!! Thanks for your great review of the RTA!!! I think I have been to Shaker Heights before. I know I’ve been to Chagrin Falls—which one does Calvin & Hobbes’ author lives in? I think Chagrin Falls. Beautiful homes in the area. And you’re right—no Shakers in Shaker Heights! 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          I was going to pay for a party suite that is open to everyone, and I said whomever wants to save money could crash there when and if the party dies down. But ‘crash there’ and ‘this is your room’ are two different things entirely.

          • Miss Tia

            that’s what i meant, i didn’t convey it properly, sorry! i’m tired!!!

            • Jimmy3

              No worries. I really admire the effort you’ve put into this, and I think it’s going to be great. I will step up and help you out more and more as the date approaches. But mostly now I’m trying to get through the holidays.

            • Miss Tia

              The holidays are fast approaching aren’t they? Can’t believe it’s November 18 already!

      • ze moo

        Go to Hinkly and see the buzzards. Some good bars around there.

    • Sunny

      Awesome password is awesome.

      • Miss Tia

        He said we’d have our own promo code for the discount and I asked if we could make our own and he said certainly and I gave him YSCOHB, cuz what else could it be? 🙂

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Looked at the Amtrak site and it looks like I would need to get on a train from there to get to Cleveland. Haven’t ruled it out, but didn’t someone mention something about a carpooling road trip?

      • Miss Tia

        Wait, maybe i’ve coded too long today, yeah I have….but I’m confused….you’d have to get on a train to get to Cleveland? that can’t be right….i can’t remember where you’re at (please don’t disclose your location if you don’t feel comfortable doing so!!) but that is an official Amtrak station there in cleveland……

        the carpooling was mentioned in conjunction with driving out west…..

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Lynchburg, Virginia. There is no direct line that goes from there to Cleveland. The closest Amtrak station that goes west to Cleveland is in Washington.

          • Miss Tia

            Ah, thanks!! My mind isn’t really working right now! 🙂 Since the site is up I’ve turned my mind to a couple projects I have LONG LONG delayed! Reading about attorneys right now.

            HOLY SHIT!!! i went to their site with your info…..i mean $95 is a great price…but 6+ hours in Washington and you’d get into Cleveland in the middle of the night?! o_O damn….a bus might be more direct than that!!

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              I guess I’ll look into that too…

            • Miss Tia

              Hell, if you have a reliable car, it’s about 8 hours (w/o stops from lynchburg to Cleveland)….add an hour for stops)…..9 hours…that’s better than amtrak!!!

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              I don’t drive.

            • Miss Tia

              I checked greyhound, it’s like 20 hours but it’s $114 round trip…..if you left Lynchburg at 3:20pm, you’d arrive in Cleveland at 11:15am on the 17th (i put the 16th for your leaving date on greyhound.com)……of course bunker chauffeur service would pick you up, with a drink of your choice and a cookie at the bus station……

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              I’d take that option just for the cookie.

              What exactly Bunker-related are we doing at HowdyCon? I noticed that the schedule was just visiting local landmarks (nothing wrong with that). Is the schedule still in the planning stage?

            • Missionary Kid

              Let me assure you that just meeting other Bunker people is fun. If nothing else, the others will manufacture fun.

            • Miss Tia

              EXACTLY!!!!

            • Miss Tia

              Well, bunkerites will be gathering and meeting, many for the first time, in person….that’s pretty bunker-related!!! And we’ll have fun and enjoy ourselves—bunker related…..we’ll toast Howdy—bunker related…..and we have a group dinner scheduled Saturday at 7pm….other than that—and meeting in the Radisson bar Friday, would you WANT a schedule? I know I would prefer not to have one……

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              I’m an Aspie. I’m a stickler for routine.

            • Miss Tia

              i have PTSD, when it comes to things like this, i dunno if it would help you at all, but i just work thru in my mind what i’ll be doing or might be doing……as it gets closer i’ll know what pretty much what i’m doing saturday so i can get into my head, okay i’m going to go here, here, etc……if it would help you since you’ve never been to cleveland—or maybe you have?—do some street views on google maps…..

              if you want to work up a routine for yourself, you certainly can……but i’m sure you’ve had instances where you’ve had to deviated from a routine and i hope there’s ways—better than what i do for PTSD—that can help you…..i want to ensure you have a good time……go thru the things on the days and see if there’s some places you’d like to go….post in the comments that you want to go to X and Y and i bet others will too…..

            • Miss Tia

              Any cookies will be homemade…….if that’s okay with you….just let me know in advance any allergens, etc and preferred cookie and i will make you a batch! 🙂

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Chocolate chip.

              I have no allergies except pollen and mold.

            • Miss Tia

              pollen and mold are definitely not ingredients in my chocolate chip cookie recipe! 🙂

            • Nat-leficent

              It’s not about Scientology. It’s about the Bunker and our humor and hanging out.

            • Missionary Kid

              The Goodyear Blimp cruised up the Coachella Valley, just north of Palm Springs today. I immediately thought of you.

            • Miss Tia

              That’s Spirit of Innovation!!!!!!!!! Oh I cried when I last saw her! 🙁 I can’t believe she’s the last of her kind and she’ll be no more next year 🙁 BLIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Sunny

              We were looking at train ride too (from Dallas it’s about 28 hours. argh. But with the kids they would love it!). Do you know how far it is from Amtrak station in Cleveland to the hotel? Also from airport to hotel? (estimates ok, in miles or in vehicle time). Thanks.

            • Miss Tia

              yes, if you look at the link ‘getting to cleveland’ i include that….but i’ll tell you now (i only mention that here in case others wonder, i have all distances from places listed there!!)….there is a free trolley that stops close to the amtrak station…..the free trolley will get you about a 3 minute walk from the hotel BUT if you have kids, a lot luggage, etc contact the bunker chauffeur service!!!

              distances to the hotel from the airport is on the website too…..by car 15-20 minutes–bunker chauffeur service, though i include links with prices for uber & lyft and there is a RTA train at Hopkins that will take you to Tower City ($2.25) and there is the free trolley that leaves from there every 10 minutes—or the bunker chauffeur service could pick you up at Tower City…..Tower City is approx. an 8 minute walk to/from the hotel.

              this page also has direct links to the airport, amtrak, etc…. http://www.howdycon.com/GettingToCleveland.html the ‘getting around cleveland’ link has direct links to the RTA….

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Miss Tia! I want to go but am still wanting to stay undercover so am hesitating.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hey, thanks so much for doing this, Tia! It’s impressive, and incredibly generous of you. Hope I’ll be able to come and see what everyone really looks like behind their avis… ; )

  • Jimmy3
    • Observer

      Love this song!

    • aegerprimo

      So appropriate. Three hearts for you Jimmy!
      ♥ ♥ ♥

  • ze moo

    I would like to see a SVU (special? Victims Unit) show on Lisa’s story. TV can learn from the clampire.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Since the case is twenty years old, doubtful they’d pick it up. Maybe a story on Tom’s wife auditions.

    • They’ve done something like it already. In fact they have done several story lines similar to Scientology anecdotes. The problem is that these cases are far from isolated and so it’s hard to say if Scientology is really the source, or if it’s just an amalgamation of Scientologists and JWs and Mormons, etc.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      A pseudo Cat White story line would be interesting. Celebrity’s girlfriend dies after doing crazy cult program. A lot of possible plot twists with that one.

    • pat k

      Ncis LA did one – it was silly but that’s cbs. It is a start. If I didn’t read things here I on the Bunker I would have thought it stupid not silly.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      There have been several episodes on Law & Order, Criminal Intent (With Vincent D’Onofrio as the detective and Kathryn Erbe as his partner detective) that had Scientology like groups doing high demand mind control, confidence game plots with murder and really nasty behavior. Some points were obviously drawn from Scientology and it’s practices. Malcolm McDowell has played the guru, “spiritual leader” or other head shyster/criminal in a few of these. Everything including media control, scorched earth legal tactics, secret files and even an e-meter like device.

      There have been (in my opinion) several stories in SVU and CI that echoed Lisa’s horrific story. But they keep it generic enough with enough other plot elements that it is not a clear telling of her story. Of course there is always the disclaimer it is not the story of anyone real.

      • The best one, IMHO, had Karen Black in a small role and the following dialog:

        Doug Morgan: No!
        [rises from his seat]

        Doug Morgan: It’s – it’s – it’s how you see it. It’s the story you tell. It’s not the way it is. *You* can’t differentiate one thing from another, you…
        [bangs on interrogation-room door]

        Doug Morgan: I know how it is. I get it. You don’t. You’re not a “clear”!

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629518/

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      There was an episode on Season 18 of the flagship L&O series that seems to have been inspired by scientology:

      http://allthingslawandorder.blogspot.com/2008/05/law-order-bogeyman-is-nothing-to-fear.html

  • littlefish

    I am a few month lurker and first time poster who came across this while trying to find out some info for my insurance. I legitimately laughed outloud while at work and figured the Bunerkites would appreciate. I’m a never-in whose curiosity was peaked due to the HBO special.

    Unless the image doesn’t want to show up.

    • littlefish

      Try again

      • flyonthewall

        big ass HELL NO!

        • littlefish

          All of the other “Nos” have reasoning bullet points, this is the only one that says NO which I find hilarious.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s hilarious, and accurate.

    • Cece

      May you be forever [a not in] in…..
      Bob Dylan…

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      That is hilarious. I love that image littlefish! And welcome!

    • mon elle

      Welcome to the club and ROFLMAO!

    • Ella Raitch

      A big HELLOOOOOOOO to a littlefish.

      Technology got it absolutely right this time!

  • I tried hard to understand Marty recent post and left this comment, just because.

    • flyonthewall

      He’s saying there’s bigger problems law enforcement/justice dept should be looking at rather than Scientology. In focusing on Scientology, terrorists are allowed to hatch their plans and Wall St crooks go unprosecuted. I would argue with a lot of his assertions though.

      It’s not Arnie Lerma cray-cray but Marty should be careful or he’ll end up there.

      • For a minute, I wondered if he is doing A to E steps. Odd post, imo.

        • flyonthewall

          very odd, I’m sure the lawsuit is very stressful for him

          • I am sure it is.

            • Beth

              Wonder if the in-depth Lisa McPherson reporting is getting to him too. I’m assuming he reads here. The daily details are very intense.

            • I thought about it too.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh my.

    • Edward Bell

      It’s almost like he’s defending Scientology by saying there are bigger fish to fry. The comment about how food prices going up etc it almost seems like paranoia or delusion. I get the point but comes across a bit weird.

      • He is possibly trying to be less focused on scientology and view things wider.
        I understand and respect it, if so. Too bad it’s so awkward and ass backwards.
        But hey, I posted some crazy shit before too.

        • Edward Bell

          Very true. I also forget that he has other issues on his plate as well. I don’t blame him if his mind is a bit all over the place.

        • Ella Raitch

          You ARE a sweetheart Dodo!

    • In 1998, I doubt Marty was in a position to know how many hours Hamburg was spending on Scientology vs. finding terrorists. (And if he did know, then Scientology should have been monitored closer.)

      And maybe if Chief Sid Klein had a little more back-up back in the day, we’d all be somewhere else.

      Police no longer monitoring Scientology November 6, 1999, Thomas C. Tobin, St. Petersburg Times

      “I think we’ve done everything we possibly could,” Klein said of the intelligence effort. “We have literally left no stone unturned. I have at times felt like the lone ranger, kind of out there by myself. And we’ve never dropped our vigilance against this organization or any other that we thought might be a threat to the citizens of Clearwater.”

      He thanked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for helping the small department when it became overwhelmed with the effort, and said federal authorities never responded to his requests for help.

      • PickAnotherID

        “…federal authorities never responded to his requests for help.”

        Figures.

        • And I think the State Attorney’s Office only prosecuted one case ever (and let be sabotaged). Smells bad!

    • Supper Powers

      I wish he would publish with the intent of communicating to the reader.

      • Alonzo’s comment was helpful.

      • Nat-leficent

        Ding ding ding! You hit the precise problem on the nose.

      • Laura Lou

        Agreed – I was completely confused. I notice it brought all the Truthers out of the woodwork in the comments section.

        Marty’s post would have made a lot more sense if he did a compare/contrast, a la Mike Rinder with Jonestown, of how groups like ISIS/Daesh manage to recruit and brainwash, and the terrifying power and arrogance of the Wall Street bankers. Because psychologically and emotionally speaking, they have a lot in common with the concepts of Scientology.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Marty is sort of nuts. They do not divert resources from national intelligence gathering and counterterrorism efforts to investigate cult abuses. Different expertise.

      • Different expertise and resources indeed, from what I gather.
        I hope he just had a bad day and jumped a gun. I am no expert though.

    • kemist

      I think this is an old whiff of scientology-fuelled delusion of importance.

      Scientology is, in the image of its founder, a narcissistic organization. Narcissism makes everything about you, whether in good or bad, so you overestimate the amount of time and effort other people spend thinking about you. This makes you prone to bouts of paranoid conspiracy theory.

    • You know what? Chalk it up to another person deeply saddened and angered by the events in Paris, and trying to to fit it into his world in a way that makes sense.

      Scientology may not amount to a whole hill of beans in this crazy world, but we’ll always have Paris.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa-dGYjSq5k

    • Ella Raitch

      You could probably find similarities between the timelines for these terrorist acts and phases of the moon, or positions of the stars. Marty is still deeply immersed in magical thinking.

  • Edward Bell

    Sorry, waaaaay off topic but jut thought I’d post a couple pics from our yard of some of the bush fires going on here in Australia. I was merrily enjoying the bunker discussion thread yesterday and then finally push came to shove and we thought we should evacuate. Anyway things are still burning but less so now. back on the computer again. Thanks to all the well wishers yesterday and apologies for suddenly leaving you in the lurch.

    • Science Doc

      That looks pretty close.

      • Edward Bell

        Yes only about 2km away (1.25Miles).

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Stay safe!

      • Edward Bell

        Should be all good now but I guess never say never

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      That is very sobering, please stay safe!

    • Ella Raitch

      Are you in Esperance?

      • Edward Bell

        Yes. Just dont tell anyone. DM might send his goons

        • Ella Raitch

          I’ve deleted the town name. Howdy neighbour! I’m in Albany if you haven’t caught on already. Have friends in Esperance but haven’t been in about 8 years now. Travel as far as Ravensthorpe for work occasionally 🙂

          • Edward Bell

            Sorry. I was being facetious. I need to learn how to differentiate typing when I have tongue firmly in cheek and when I don’t. I think there’s only like 3 Scientologists left in Australia. Thanks for removing anyway though. Just sort of new to Esperance, house sitting for a month or so. We’ll be heading to real home in Port Lincoln SA soon. Another great bushfire hot spot.

  • funnybroad

    This is posted on Bennetta Slaughter’s Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/Bennetta-Slaughter-425926977465421/) Really?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I get a Page Not Found, not available. Maybe she blinked?

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Bennetta ought to have a street disseminator hand her a copy of Leah’s book for starters.

      • Bennetta also owes a ton of apologies to a lot of people.
        Lisa and her family, would be a good start.

    • ClearwaterNative

      What did she post? I’m getting a blank page too.

      • ReallyMGM

        It isn’t a personal page, but for her “business.” Just do a search for her name; it isn’t hidden. She hasn’t posted in several years and the comment area has become a bulletin board for links to Lisa McPherson articles and websites.

    • madame duran

      Scientologists aren’t taught to question what they read on Bridge courses. They’re taught to QUESTION THEMSELVES for having “misunderstoods”. Hubbard’s “tech” is held above questioning and it’s up to the questioner to drill themselves into accepting that before advancing any further in Scientology.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    To cheer you up…

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      A promo piece with that excerpted sent to all of the Bridge Publishing Inc’s list of bookbuyers would be suitable!

      Leah’s competing and beating L. Ron Hubbard’s vain in house buying of Hubbard’s books to push Hubbard to the NY Times bestseller list, and now Leah gets their all by her lonesome!

      Leah beats Hubbard!

      BPI and NEPI take note!

      Hopefully Leah’s book will continue this “Books Make Booms” expansion exodus from Scientology now an even greater booming exodus!

  • Observer
    • aegerprimo

      Very appropriate.

  • mon elle

    The article references lectures where LRH refers to Christ and Christianity as implants. Are the transcripts and reference points available on line?

    My favorite Scientologist (Elle) has taken to quoting the New Testament left, right and center and having this as a reference point would be nice.

    The only reference I can think of is the original OTVIII and being a non-public thing would be easy for Elle to dismiss as bogus. Pointing to something more publicly accessible (even if only read/listened to by Scientologists) would be harder for Elle to refute (not that there won’t be an attempt).

    Thanks!

    PS: Apolgies if this has been previously asked/answered.

      • Edward Bell

        That’s just weird.

        • mon elle

          We are talking Scientology. Isn’t that a given?

      • mon elle

        Thank you.

    • daytoncapri

      to “mon elle”…there is Disqus participant named “Elle” who has posted criticisms of Scientology. At the same time, ther is a different Disqus participant named “elle” who has advocated on behalf of Scientology. Note the subtle difference in the spelling; and, of course, there is the lovely you, “mon elle”. May we never confuse one with another.

      • mon elle

        I am referring to elle and my auto-co-wreck keeps capitalizing. I’ve not corrected unknowing it would add confusion. I will do better in the future. Thank you.

  • Ugh I had a rough day at work, but reading this story makes it seem so minor. I was reading yesterday’s story and remembering how O/W Write-ups and confessionals were. I still, even today, blame myself for everything. It’s so hard to kick a habit like that even when you consciously know that you are not at fault. Or to remember that even when you are at fault, that it’s okay because everyone is at fault sometimes. I have to constantly remind myself and it’s always a struggle between myself and my managers to work as a team. I always want to run solo because I feel like if I am not in control that something is going to go wrong and I am going to get blamed for it regardless.

    I spent so much of my life drifting in that weird kinda-suicidal/not-really-suicidal but just wanting things to end state that Claire so accurately described yesterday. In fact, I have never seen that exact feeling put in words the way that she did. I am not looking forward to reading what Lisa went through after being checked out of that hospital. I can say the nurse was right about her conclusion, but wrong about the circumstances. Scientologists are prisoners of their own minds, not other Scientologists. I feel so bad for this woman, and I can see how easy it is to end up being murdered by the people you trusted so much. The path to hell is paved with good intentions, and if there ever was a group that epitomized that statement it is certainly Scientology.

    Tonight is the night of my performance in West Hollywood. I am nervous but trying not to think about it too much. The show starts at 8 but I plan to be there a couple of hours early. This is going to be an emotional experience for me. It’s such a comprehensive trip down memory lane for me, and in front of so many strangers. Hopefully I can make it through this without crying on stage. Hope you’re all having a good evening.

    • daisy

      You will do great. Put your emotion into your performance. It doesn’t matter if you cry. Please let us know how great tomorrow or later tonight.

    • nommables

      I love it when you post! Your insights are raw–and while I know that can’t be “fun” for you, I appreciate that transparency. Never having been in Scientology (or even known a Scientologist), your posts give me that sick-to-my-stomach feeling (in a good way…GAH, does that even make sense?!)…makes me want to give you a big hug and I’m not that much of a hugger! 🙂
      Good luck tonight! I agree with Daisy–if you cry, you cry! It’s just your authenticity leaking out! 🙂

    • Allie

      Derek, you’ll be great. Just speak from your heart and enjoy yourself. All the best!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Derek what an insightful post. Have a great night tonight!!!

    • I remember after one particularly stressful staff meeting, trying really hard to convince myself that I must be a suppressive person. It’s like a brutal exercise in breaking your inner goodness.

      I can’t tell you how many times I foolishly tried to analize the extent of my evilness, because of the scientology. And that was way before I decided to start giving zero fucks about their fucked up “ethics and justice” and actually acted like a “bad boy” a few times. So I can relate.

      To this day, every time someone says something really good about me, it makes me a sobbing mess. And I just revealed my greatest weakness. Whatever.

      Love and humor is all we got.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        No words, just hugs.

      • pluvo

        Weakness when being emotional? Yes, that’s what we got implanted with. Remember – “Knock off your HE&R…” and so (for the never-ins: = Human Emotions and Reactions) and all the no-sympathy attitudes. If sombody was crying he was told that he should stop dramatizing and knock off the case on post. Even the emotions were regulated and controlled (I heard even that persons who wept easily should be send to ethics to write their O/Ws).
        Dodo, you have a right to cry – like everybody else – and it is not a weakness; it means that you still have feelings.

      • You’re not kidding. Imagine me, listening to Hubbard and my dad and other Scientologists talk about how the gays are disgusting vile creatures with diseases and who like to violate children. I couldn’t reconcile myself with that at all! I love kids, and get along with them great. Most people tell me I’m going to make a good dad one day. But don’t tell that to the Scientologists or to my own parents. They swear I’m out to destroy the planet.

    • Miss Tia

      You’ll have a great show tonight! And if you cry, there’s no shame in that, as you said it’s going to be emotional. People are empathetic. Deep breathes, you’ve got this!!

    • pluvo

      You speak to more or less strange Bunkerites all the time …and you are doing well. Just look at them as Bunkerites who don’t know yet that they are Bunkerites ;). It doesn’t have to be perfect. Good luck, Derek – it will be alright.

    • Beth

      I’m so impressed that you’re doing it Derek. You’re a gifted storyteller – I am very jealous of your audience tonight. Good luck!

    • ObsessedReader

      You will do great, Derek. I wish I could be there!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      We’re standing right there with you, Derek. Okay okay, we’ll get off the stage and sit down in the seats. Whatever you do will be the right thing for you at that moment – Wish I was really there for you – break a leg!

    • Nat-leficent

      Break a leg, Derek! The adrenaline rush after you perform will make all these nerves worth it.

    • Frodis73

      Derek, you are going to kick ass tonight. I am with you in spirit and I cannot wait to hear all the details. Hugs to you. I have to second what Nat said about the adrenaline rush–enjoy it!

    • beauty for ashes

      I’m SO excited for you. Actually I’m so excited for THEM! Don’t forget to look at the audience too when you can. Take a pause here and there, and speak from your heart!

    • PickAnotherID

      Always remember, if you never make a mistake, it means you’re dead. So rejoice in being alive when a mistake happens.

    • Ella Raitch

      Today I was at a recruitment training and when discussing equal opportunity I noticed on the slide that people can’t be discriminated against for a prison conviction or for religious conviction – conviction used in two different ways. Prison of the mind indeed.

  • Susan B.

    Have you all seen the reviews at Yelp for the Fort Harrison? Tia’s review was branded as violating their terms of service. Oops. So was mine. Oops. I’m guessing some of the other deleted review are by folks from here?

    I highly recommend the review that are not recommended. I’m disappointed that there’s one missing by someone who I don’t think knew the place is owned by the Cult but he had some astute observations about some of the Cult members.

    • Susan B.

      Uh-oh. I’m technologically challenged. I pasted some stuff in my previous post but they didn’t show up. So here’s a link:

      http://www.yelp.com/not_recommended_reviews/the-fort-harrison-hotel-clearwater

      • salin

        Interesting reviews. Thanks.

        I do the tech. challenged routines on a regular basis. Sometimes I feel that “oops” is my on-line (tech related) middle name. No worries. It is worth the tech-challenges to get some doozies (like Veranda S’s review) to our broader audience.

        • Susan B.

          i think i just figured out that you have to upload images like on FB, can’t just past ’em in here.

          • salin

            If you can get to the image outside of fb, you can just cut and paste the web address from the image .

            I only learn from long sessions of getting it wrong, before I get it right. Sending you encouragement. What you are finding to bring to the discussion is interesting. Thanks.

    • Edward Bell

      How the heck did the review by Veranda S and Ibby H. And yet yours and Tia’s reviews didnt. Very well done to both reviews that managed to stay up.

      • Susan B.

        Mine, um, well, I hate to say this in light of Tony’s excellent pieces on Lisa’s tragedy, but I got “extra points” for mentioning the poop on the walls of Room 174. I don’t think they shut down my account though.

        Tia, what did your review say?

        Veranda S’s review was clever. She appears to compliment the Fort Harrison which perhaps confused the Yelp review reader. Or who knows, maybe there’s an employee at Yelp that is on to the Cult? Here’s an excerpt of Veranda’s review: “Consistent with their reputation as the friendliest place in the world
        and their commitment to excellence, the helpful staff took the trouble
        to drive Lisa to New Port Richey Hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater
        when she was clearly unwell, passing three lesser hospitals, including
        the obviously inferior Morton Plant Hospital, only six minutes away.
        Unlike New Port Richey, Morton Plant did not have a single Scientologist
        doctor in attendance. Unfortunately, despite these heroic efforts, Lisa
        was pronounced dead on arrival. Thrill seekers may wish to request Room
        174 for that extra frisson during lovemaking.”

    • nommables

      That first reply (Veranda S) was awesome!

    • Miss Tia

      Gee, that was from the history of burrito stuff when I did my yelp review! What was that, like 2 years ago?! Bastards!! No warning either, they deleted my yelp account for a facetious history of burrito ft. harrison review (some sunday flyer i think had the ft. harrison promoting burritos and the history of them). I have another yelp account. I can see another yelp review in the near feature! And it WON’T be about burritos!!

    • Why the hell would they have reviews for it?
      Its not open to the public.
      Which apparently the hotel at the Celebrity Center in LA is.
      I actually went through the motions of booking a room there.
      It got weird.
      But then I also tried to book a golf outing at the golf course at Gold.
      Fun times.

  • Nat-leficent
    • Narapoid

      Those eyes…. Poor little feller

    • daisy

      Poor Baby he has no idea he is in a cult. Feed Him his face is too thin .Oh I forgot they don’t feed anyone except DM and TC.

    • Nat-leficent

      Caption Contest: Shooter’s escape plan edition!
      F5

      • Beth

        “It is start walking now, I can get to HowdyCon for sure. I want bunker hugs, and lots of ’em!”

        • Nat-leficent

          Awwww!

          • Beth

            whah!!! I want to go down there and steal him 🙁

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        “If I go down, I go down with my jaws on Miscavige’s balls.”

      • daisy

        When is that Fat bitch who calls me fat going to take me for a walk ?

      • daisy

        I am a hound I can smell your evil, but let me check your poop to be sure.

      • daisy

        No you don’t have to salute me , just the asshole that owns me. ( I wouldn’t say no to a treat though )

      • KingofSweden

        “One day, they will all salute me… even the Little One!”

      • daisy

        Yeah he says he*s the leader, but you don*t see me picking up his shit do you?

      • daisy

        Stay away from me Jenna, I have a girlfriend.

      • daisy

        Krustie give me back my bone and food bowl!

      • beauty for ashes

        I wonder if I can fit in someone’s coat pocket?

      • Frodis73

        Is it me or does that dog look a bit thin? Not scary thin, but on the thin side. Wish I could see him/her from above.

        • ReallyMGM

          It is still young. It still has the darker coloration on its head. Scent hounds are trailing dogs and should not be fat. Fat means heart problems in later life.

          • daisy

            I hope you are right, the dog I posted from the other day, looked too skinny to me. Should their shoulder blades be protruding? I thought the vet told me that was bad.

            • ReallyMGM

              They are going to protrude a bit at the top just because of basic anatomy. The ribs are better gauge. Feel them under a layer of skin and light muscle, never see. Young dogs of some breeds are hard to keep weight on. If energy level is good, dog is eating well, coat is good, I don’t worry.

        • daisy

          I don’t know if it is the same dog or they keep all their dogs undernourished. They have a track record of not feeding vulnerable people , so why not a dog ?

        • ReallyMGM

          Looks like a nice covering of fat covering the rib cage with no protruding ribs. No rolls of fat on the neck. Nice tuck up at the loin. Young dog with appropriate weight. The trick is to maintain it and convert it into muscle with exercise and correct type/amount food.

          • daisy

            Yeah I think the dog in the pink blanket ok , if you have expertise tell us about the 2 Narconon dogs, they look too thin to me.

            • ReallyMGM

              The top one looks young, but not too skinny. It also looks like it might be a basset/beagle mix which might attribute to the longer muzzle.
              When I say lean it isn’t unhealthy thin, but thin like a runner or swimmer. Well muscled through exercise.
              The one below is standing crooked so its scapula is poking out. It looks lean but I don’t see ribs sticking out. Without putting hands on that dog I wouldn’t say it looked horribly underfed. Some beagles are cobbier bodied and chunkier (show type) as adults, some are leaner and longer (hunting). Beagles are one of the hardest dogs on the planet to keep correct weight on. Been there, done that.

            • daisy

              Thank you for answering , my own fat beagle has been demoted to pudgy. The vet said she was good now. I appreciate your assessment., I have no perspective when it comes to animals. Now I just have to say Feed your SO org. members YOU DICK!!

            • ReallyMGM

              My damn dogs eat better than me!
              Edit to add: and cat!

            • Frodis73

              Have you ever done raw feeding with your pups by chance?

            • ReallyMGM

              No, but I am not opposed to it. When people started doing it big time in the 90s I wasn’t very keen on it, but now I have seen the dogs from show kennels who have been doing it more than 20 years and several generations. All the doom and gloom that was predicted didn’t happen, and in fact companies have sprung up to help people feed their dogs raw with pasteurized products if they are still concerned about the safety. I feed my dogs Orijen and my cat Fromm. I’m lazy.

            • Frodis73

              I do remember all the worries about it and some vets are still a bit confused by it, though it has gotten better. My mom did it with her last two rotties and I did it for most of Murpys life (guy in my avi). He loved it after he adjusted and I saw some immediate positives for him. He was always a picky eater and seemed to be sensitive to dry food. He really thrived on it. When my house burned down he had to switch back during the transition…omx. He looked at me like *wtf is this? You want me to eat this?* Lol. It was pretty funny. I did have to switch him back towards the end of his life because of finances but his last week on Earth I spoiled him and he got some good stuff. I hated that I had to switch him. I have not heard of those two brands you mentioned and will look into them. The pet food recalls are scary…there are SO many it seems. The reason I asked is when people asked me what I fed Murphy I always said he eats better than me! He was a totally worth it though. 🙂

            • ReallyMGM

              My caveat for raw feeding is that before switching to it or starting with a new puppy is to read, read, read. It is not just throwing a bunch of raw meat out for the dog to gobble down. If you bought from a breeder that feeds raw, use than as a valuable resource. If not, there are tons of good sites on the web. (There are also bad sites, so you have to sift through them carefully)

            • ReallyMGM

              Beagle brat

            • aquaclara

              True story. Someone complimented me on my oh so trim labby. I had to fess up. He’s either a very trim labby or a rather tubby greyhound. 50/50 mix that loves his treats.

      • aquaclara

        “So, is that a billion years in dog years or people years? And how many puppy cookies do I get every day?”

        • daisy

          Doesn’t matter Kirstie steals them all.

          • aquaclara

            “Next time she tries that, I WILL bite her ass.”

      • aquaclara

        “What do you mean, I don’t need to sniff out drugs? Do I still get the cookies you promised me?”

      • aquaclara

        ” I am NOT dreaming of rice and more beans. Woof the F*ck.”

      • Illinoisian

        The dog takes the cat . . .
        The cat takes the mouse . . .
        The mouse takes the cheese . . .
        The cheese stands alone.
        (sigh)
        WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

      • Ella Raitch

        If I lie very still maybe they’ll think the doggy thetan has permanently exteriorised and they’ll take my doggy meat body out side the perimete fence.

  • ClearwaterNative

    Didn’t THEY finally get to the Medical Examiner (Joan Wood)? Didn’t she reverse one of her rulings at a critical moment, then disappeared? I just remember being so disappointed. Being raised in Pinellas County and at a time when women didn’t hold such positions (late 70’s/early 80’s), she was something of a hero to me.

    • aquaclara

      Hi! Clearwater! Former Clw resident here, waving hi!

      Yes, they got to her. I’m on a tablet, so it’s hard to post links. But keep reading. Tony posted something 11/18/201 in an interview with Marty. Tampa Bay Times had an article, so Google Joan Wood and Scientology to pull these articles up. There’s more, but this will get you started.

      The Lisa Files may also have things.

      • aquaclara

        Also, continue to watch here for the next two weeks. Tony may well come back to this part of the story.

        • ReallyMGM

          This series is fascinating. I only knew parts of the story, but this is bringing it all together in one cohesive bundle. All of the pieces are fitting together like a jigsaw puzzle.

          • aquaclara

            I like how you said that. The pieces do fit well. It’s sad beyond belief, but that’s exactly why this story is so important. And why our being here matters.

      • ClearwaterNative

        Waving back… Hi!!!!
        I hope to be a former resident some day too. I’m completely surrounded!
        Thanks for the reading suggestions, I’ll have a look. 🙂

        • aquaclara

          And welcome to the Bunker. If you run out of back stories here, Tony posted at the Village Voice (er, uhm, as editor of the Village Voice) for years. Running Scared is the column, and you will find the best damn rabbit hole ever. Click on anything that’s blue, and links at the bottom of each article. They are still timely. Just google and you’ll find them. If you have trouble, just post, and we’ll find the link. They are not to be missed.

          • ClearwaterNative

            Thank you again! I’ve been around off and on since the VV days, but rarely post. This place is a refuge when I feel like my friends just “don’t get it”. Some of the personal stories I relate about my neighbors and the goings on in my neighborhood are met with disbelief. Don’t think that would ever happen here. 😉

  • romanesco
    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      It’s from The Mind Unleashed, so chances are it’s untrue or exaggerated.

    • Good start, if true.

    • Rachel

      The BBC reported on this claim yesterday (UK). View is that security services would rather have them in plain site and be monitoring them. This may not actually be a good thing however well intentioned.

      • Interesting point.

      • romanesco

        I wouldn’t know anything about that. I only visit fancy sites.

    • Susan B.

      would be awesome if it is.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)
  • SuppressedPerson

    OT The Best ‘is’ coming to Philly! Whoo hoo!!!

    https://twitter.com/greenweiner/status/667152008638554112

    Interesting, since Scientology has a little store front style org in center city, on race street. (They once did an open mic that was really a recruiting event (surprise!) )

    Scientology owns a boarded up, historic building there on the main drag in Center City. It has been declared a blight officially by the city, and in 2013 they were being taken to task by the city. Sadly, it still sits, a testimony to how “BEST” Scientology is.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)
      • Judith Sylvester

        Spooky. Looks like the residence of Miss Havisham at the end of _Great Expectations_.

      • aquaclara

        Hey, that’s City Hall, a gorgeous building smack in the middle of Center City. Creepy pic, though.

        Scientology has two properties, both less than ideal. One is on the south side of 13th and Chestnut Street, the Cunningham Piano Building, boarded up since the purchase many, many years ago. The other is a two-story building near the Convention Center, on Race Street, know for deploying “curtain tech” for most of the day.

  • Just now on “Blackish” guy in the barbershop mentions that the Nation of Islam has gone Scientologist.
    And then they google it on the phone and confirm its true.

    • Nat-leficent

      Nice!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Just saw that – then I thought, wait, did I? So glad you confirmed. Last line of show “Swear to God – the scientologists are taking over the Nation of Islam!”

      Oh my oh my oh my.

      • Very sweet. This is a very mainstream black show.

        • Jimmy3

          Anthony Andersen doesn’t get enough credit. He’s truly hilarious, doesn’t take himself seriously, but still has enough of that unf to play straight up detective shit. He’s good

          • He really is. Its the not taking himself serious part and the ability to make himself the fool.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I know – prime time. they were talking in the barbershop about one of their friends – one said he’s a scientologist now – and the rest were like no way, and then I missed what he said bout NOI, but then they slammed it at the end with that last line.

          I wonder how many viewers went WTF? Remember when we first heard Sci and NOI together – wonder how many viewers will email or tweet about this tonight?

          • Nat-leficent

            Or google it!

          • None.
            But the seed has been planted.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wonder if Leila saw it?!

          • Laura Lou

            I just hope no one confuses it with Christian Scientists when they google/tweet, because I totally did before I’d heard of Scientology.

            I mean, Christian Scientists have their own brand of nuttiness, but they’re free-wheeling Wiccans compared to Scientologists. Just hoping the right people are being called out.

            • There will be no confusion.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Used to be true, but between Going Clear, Tom Cruise saga, and Leah Remini, I don’t think they will this time. And the idea of Sci hooking up with Nation of Islam has got to get the attention of a whole lot more people sitting up and going WTF now?

            • Laura Lou

              Not everyone is as up-to-date on this stuff as we are, despite Going Clear and Cruise and Remini. For a lot of people, Scientology is meaningless (unfortunately).

            • aquaclara

              I believe the Christian Scientists have gotten used to this. I recall a pic posted in the window of the reading room in Clearwater that set people straight.

            • *cough* You mean they gotta use this. Protest too much and all that.

              “We’re not Scientology, we’re those other nuts!”

            • aquaclara

              Yep. “We did not give TC that fat ass medal. It was those wackos down the street.”

            • “Nope. Bean soup it is. I’m sorry.”
              The rain hissed down relentlessly in the embarrassed silence.
              “What about the cagéd whale?” said the soaking visitor, trying to squeeze into what little shelter the dread portal offered.
              “What about it?”
              “It should know nothing of the mighty deeps, if you must know.”
              “Oh, the cagéd whale. You want the Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night. Three doors down.”

              Guard! Guards! Terry Pratchett.

            • aquaclara

              WIN.

          • Like Scientology, the only people without a negative view of NOI are those who are uninformed.
            This is a start.
            Many are aghast at Farrakhan for the obvious publicized things, but finding out about going Scientology pretty much convinces everyone.

          • aquaclara

            I love when the writers of great shows like this pull in things that are so over the top, but turn out to be true. Scientology is a great punch line…there’s so much material.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              maybe we’ll get some new posters tomorrow – “I was googling Scientology + NOI + WTF and wound up here!”

      • Last line of show “Swear to God – the scientologists are taking over the Nation of Islam!”

        And then the guy says, “Yeah, I saw them all marching down (x) street”.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          missed that very last line – now there’s a vision for the viewers – marching down the street oh my

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Yep. Just saw that here in California.

  • funnybroad

    Watching the show “blackish” on ABC right now, and they’re totally making fun of how everyone in the nation of islam is converting to scientology!

    • ISIS idiots must be really confused and not amused.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      When I first heard “scientologist”, I was multitasking and assumed I was just hearing things. lol

      • Frodis73

        I do that a lot! I will jump up thinking I heard sci and it is psychology or archaeology or something or another.

        • Laura Lou

          Christian Scientists!!! Always have to stop and reread to make to the choice to rant or shrug

    • beauty for ashes

      This is music to my ears. 🙂

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Just aired an hour or so ago on the left coast. I saw that, too.

  • Edward Bell
    • SuppressedPerson

      SeaOrg Scientologists don’t even have these houses! Just cramped dorms and no cars.

      Yeah. Good religion. NOT

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’ll see what I can find out about that veterans group – see if I know anyone – at any rate – warn them.

      Scientology, leave our children and our veterans the f*ck alone!

    • PickAnotherID

      It’s a puff piece making it sound like they did more than they actually did. Note down near the date, “Source: Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization”.

      The “Operation: Reveille 2015” event is hosted by the Tampa Hillsborough Homeless Initiative, who actually gathered the material being handed out. The VM’s just show up to hand the stuff out and take credit for other peoples work.

    • Ella Raitch

      When will we see the global reports of disgust that they are using the situation in Paris to shakedown whales for donations and handing out useless platitudes?

  • JAZZLOVER

    Somebody used my jazzlover name and I now have to use capital letters. He is a troll and this is the reason I haven’t been here. Has the one who took my name been posting?

    • daisy

      Where is the other avi ?

      • JAZZLOVER

        Who is avi?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          What’s it say on the black bag in the picture?

          • JAZZLOVER

            I’ve upped my standards now up yours

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks – who’s the lady? Jazz artist?

            • JAZZLOVER

              Diana Krall

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thought you loathed Krall.

            • salin

              It’s like watching a game of kickball. Outa the park with that one.

            • beauty for ashes

              I’m sitting here waiting for the comeback!

            • salin

              Don’t wait too long, not quite a hit and run, but appears to be a hit, and for a short time rapid response, and fade out. Appears that THDNE kicked a home run.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              spits, rubs hands, walks off to bed = finally

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I think we’re all backed up with a lot of spit and vinegar right now which someone who was allowed to read all the comments would know –

            • salin

              How true and wise.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Bam! Hey what’s the thing about Derek? I just got here.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              ack on tablet and doing 3 things at once – can someone link to Derek’s debut tonight?

            • beauty for ashes

              Put up link to Youtube page above.

            • beauty for ashes

              He’s doing a reading in west Hollywood tonight. We’re hoping he uploads something. I put a link to Derek’s homepage up top.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Thank you. What’s he reading? Train schedules?

            • aquaclara

              A personal story. It’s going to be good. He has so much talent and heart and personality, it amazes me. Kick ass, DMan.

            • beauty for ashes

              Lunch menus of Kansas.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’ll take the Dust in the Wind special, please.

            • beauty for ashes

              Hey did you hear about Baby? Can you send her some flowers from the Bunker? You probably have her info right?
              Sorry I skimmed right over your joke~ It’s a pound of salt and vinegar potato chips 🙂 ackk ackk ackkheh, water?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I do have her info. What did I miss?

            • beauty for ashes

              Oh Crap it’s a baby story for the ages. Not enough brain cells today to summarize. It’s in yesterday’s comments. I’ll try and see if I can get you a better answer or link to the posts. Baby and here friend got royally screwed by this woman who went off her meds.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh, I thought something else beyond the bakery story. Yeah, I’ve been hearing about that mess for a while. I sometimes talk to the cool kids off line.

            • beauty for ashes

              Yeah I just heard it all at once yesterday. I kind of want to send her some flowers or something.

            • Supper Powers

              Yeah, you right.

            • ReallyMGM

              Burrito Bro?

    • Nat-leficent

      Nice try, poser.

      • JAZZLOVER

        Thank you

    • beauty for ashes

      Show us your jazz hands or we won’t believe you.

      • JAZZLOVER

        okay

    • salin

      Odd. There was jazzlover, then quite a bit later JAZZLOVER, then jazzlover ,whose avi, and posting familiarity was consistent, posted again – clarifying that he wasn’t JAZZLOVER with the different avi.

      Fail.

      • Laura Lou

        … who killed the cat who ate the rat that lived in the house that L.Ron built?

        • salin

          🙂 great reference and adaptation.

        • I think he’ll die.

    • Supper Powers

      Yeah, JAZZLOVER is the troll. Flunk, dude.

    • what’sup

      It matters not if you’re the real jazzlover or the imposter JAZZLOVER…… I like the other one much more.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Dont you have any friends or even a pet that can give you some of the attention you desperately crave, instead of trying to get some from random strangers on the Internet? Because it is becoming really pathetic and pitiful now.

      • JAZZLOVER

        Who is pathetic, me? I have not been around, but you are here hours per day.
        You/re friends are people you’ve never met.
        Get a life

        • Frodis73

          A lot of people here have met each other in real life multiple times. Flunk.
          I think she is calling you pathetic because you have stolen the real jazzlovers name and lets just say most of us frown upon that behavior and consider it childish.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Oohh I struck a nerve did I?
          I have spent an hour here in total all week, so don’t exaggerate, only children exaggerate.
          Plus my friends are people I have met, not imaginary beings clinging to my body unlike yours.
          Dumbarse.

    • OOkpik

      Our jazzlover has more class.and maturity, a better avi and a completely different Link Location.

      I call BULLSHIT! Scat!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I hope Derek gets to tell Tony about his night tonight and can be added to tomorrow’s post. Just hopin’

    • beauty for ashes

      I hope somebody uploads video to Youtube and can be in tomorrow’s post 🙂

    • aquaclara

      YES! Go, Derek!

    • I subscribe.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        will look for it and scribe, thanks.

  • beauty for ashes

    Link to Derek’s YouTube page. This is wishful thinking, I do not think he promised to post his performance.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/dbloch7986/videos

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      thanks

    • Laura Lou

      This is my first introduction to Derek (I only de-lurked last week), and I’m incredibly impressed with him. Intelligent, articulate, a great deal of poise, and quite a lot of empathy. He’s a very remarkable person, and I’m glad to have been introduced to him (albeit virtually).

      • Frodis73

        Aww. He is a sweet heart. He has come so far in his recovery and it is so great that he is doing a reading tonight…those things are part of recovery for some people. He also wrote an article for Cracked about growing up in the SO. I do not have the link handy but it should be pretty easy to find. It is a great read.

      • Juicer77

        Don’t miss this podcast he was on… http://mentalpod.com/Raised-in-Scientology-Derek-Bloch

        And his story from the Village Voice by Tony… http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-disconnection-and-homophobia-derek-blochs-story-6661519
        Bonus: epic photo from when they finally met in person. (f5)

      • beauty for ashes

        Well helloooo Laura Lou, you can call me beauty! Welcome welcome welcome!!!!!! I had a long awkward period after delurking. Let me know if I can be of any assistance including finding you an avatar picture. I have an inclination to suggest something from an old western or little house on the prairie. Oh and lots of reasons to love Derek isn’t there? I watched so many videos when I fell down the rabbit hole. Tory is still my favorite though.<3

  • salin

    Recommend heart sits at 197. Surely there are three of you that have not yet hit the recommend? Make that heart beat. Somber and serious reconstruction reporting of a tragic loss of life that should not have happened.

    Click recommend to make the heart beat.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I just made it 222.

      Paging Karen Valentine.

      • Betty

        That is the first thing I do when I come in here everyday. Good habit to make friends

  • Lisa and every dedicated scientologist were told that they are super special big beings.
    They were also treated like shit. Every one of them. This is scientology.

    • Laura Lou

      This is very typical of an abusive relationship of any kind – in fact, one of the many points of proof that Scientology is abusive. “Baby, I love you, I want marry you, but if you ever criticize me or try to leave, I’ll fucking smash your head into the wall.”

      Just enough positive reinforcement to keep the victim in, but more than enough negative reinforcement (i.e., terror and intimidation) to assure control.

      • Liberated

        And, you better believe 2+2=5. or else!

        • Laura Lou

          … Or else I’ll smash your head into the wall, literally and/or figuratively. Yeah, pretty much.

          • Liberated

            I’ve lived. both.

            • Laura Lou

              I’m so sorry, I had no idea about your history. Classic internet-no-intonation fail

              Bravo for getting out of both situations – that takes a lot of guts and resilience.

      • Ella Raitch

        http://caersidi.freeshell.org/holycows/articles/28vaughnabuse.htm

        Robert Vaughn Young on the parallels between Scientology and spousal abuse (at which LRH was a master)

  • Supper Powers
  • what’sup

    Are there any Bunkeroo’s that live close to Hemet that we can crowd fund to fly a video drone over Gold base? I’d really, really like that.

    • Jimmy3

      What would you expect to see?

      • what’sup

        Oh, I don’t know, I didn’t think that far ahead….Maybe Dave taking pot shots at it?

        • Jimmy3

          Yeah. When Davey starts taking pot shots at Gold, it actually brings down the square footage. But only by a small amount.

          • what’sup

            It just seems like those sniper pits in the hillside are going to waste.

          • Nat-leficent

            come play pictionary plz

            • what’sup

              I installed the app. I’m trying to find you.

            • Nat-leficent

              room 6
              code offtopic

    • StudentOfLife

      Count me in if you do this for good reason but know there are a lot of pics of Gold Base around including where someone apparently wrecked the fence trying to blow. I live four hours away now but am very familiar with Hemet. I lived in Moreno Valley (incorporated in late 1984 out of Riverside) from Nov 84 until Nov 88 when I went active duty to Guam. Hemet brings back some memories as I spent a lot of weekends driving my Kawasaki 454LTD to Hemet for recreation and partying. I think even then (this was after my romantic encounter with a Scilon who got me to take a few basic courses while I was selling yellow pages in the midwest in 1983) I remember meeting a few Scientologists girls in Hemet. I think they were looking for “marks” as they were always very friendly and I think I warned a few guys I had been burned and there were ones who appeared to never even gaze up from their tasks as they shopped and carried supplies into their cars. The local men called them Sea Ogres. I never knew why. Now I do. your post brought back some things long forgotten.

  • Nat-leficent

    If anyone wants to play pictionary, I started a game 🙂

    http://www.pinturillo2.com/

    Language: English
    Room: 6
    Code:offtopic

    • what’sup

      I only play Pictionary when I’m shitfaced drunk. Lucky for you it’s 1:30 pm

    • what’sup

      That was fun…let’s do it again sometime.

      • Nat-leficent

        yes 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Dagnabit, I missed it! Hey ping me next time you get a game started… I will get a notification and join in if I can. 🙂 kurtjess77 (at) gmail (dot) com

      • Nat-leficent

        Will do

  • what’sup

    Dear Fred Durst…..not even Scientology can save your shitty band.(f5)

    • Frodis73

      LMAO!

    • Mockingbird

      Ouch.

  • B4you

    One explanation, that i just remembered, is this one; If an Oat-Tee commits an Overt (sin) it will strike him tenfold and he would get very very sick, because he is so mentally “pure”. Where we normal people (wog) wouldn’t feel a thing! That’s why Oat-Tee are so honest and you can trust them always.

    also:

    When some dude is presented with a Clear Certificate, he is also presented with a nasty policy named “WHAT WE EXPECT FROM A CLEAR” where, no matter what, he is supposed to show off as the Ideal Homo Novis or as the finest product of $cientology.

    What an insane expectation to implant in people who is nowhere near the LRH version of “Ideal”.

    • Frodis73

      Sci creates narcissistic behavior that is for damn sure! No wonder with stuff like that policy on top of everything else.

  • JAZZLOVER

    It’s 1 AM…goodnight my dear children

    • 9001

      jazzlover but all CAPS? Not jazzlover! g’night and g’bye fake.

  • romanesco
    • Frodis73

      Cant. Stop. Watching.

    • Mockingbird

      That’s impressive.

    • Juicer77

      How many times do you think she whacked her feet on the wall? XD

    • Ben Franklin

      This is how to jump into bed after a long day if you are a gymnast. Nice.

  • Liberated

    I didn’t think it was possible to hate that God dammed cult anymore than I already did , but I guess I was wrong.

  • “the nearest hospital, which had been named after a wealthy New York man,
    Morton Plant. In 1918, ….. He then paid to
    have a hospital built in the city, and it still bears his name”

    Note to clams everywhere: That is a humanitarian. Smiling while giving your kids’ college fund to Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige is not the same thing. One day you will realise this. I hope it comes soon.

    And thanks to Tony for bringing his habitual rigour to the reporting of this harrowing incident.

  • Graham

    I can’t recall that in BFG. Do you have a page number? Depending on context SP can mean Suppressive Person or could mean Super Power.

    • Margie8

      Oh, it was clearly for Suppressive People!

  • pixie dust

    Margie, I think the SP room was the precursor to the Hole. I can’t remember exactly where I read that, but I’ll try to think of it and add it if I do.

    • Margie8

      Thank you!

  • Tony Ortega

    I think it may have actually initially been called the “A to E Room,” which refers to the steps you take when you’re out of favor. Then it was moved to the double-wide trailers and got the name the “SP Hole,” for suppressive persons, and then just “The Hole.” Something like that. So Marc might have been referring to the first location or the more famous one, The Hole, where the Bohemian Rhapsody thing happened.

    • Margie8

      Thanks, Tony!

  • Looks like a subtle shift to have the Vulture Ministers do something more tangible than poking folks and passing out worthless paper.

    “Scientology Volunteer Ministers Assist in Combating Veterans Homelessness

    The Scientology Volunteer Ministers took part in “Operation: Reveille 2015″, an event hosted by the Tampa Hillsborough Homeless Initiative.

    TAMPA, Fla., Nov. 19, 2015 /PRNewswire/ — Fifty-eight veterans attended the event at the Port of Tampa Bay where they received food, clothing and stable residences to live. The Volunteer Ministers distributed 130 items of gently used clothing and shoes to the veterans and their families from a booth manned by the Volunteer Ministers throughout the day.”
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/scientology-volunteer-ministers-assist-in-combating-veterans-homelessness-300181650.html

    BUT, since this was sponsored by non-COS entities, my bet is that they only passed out clothing donated by others. Thus taking the credit for someone else’s charity.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Good to notice this, thanks.

  • OOkpik

    Loving your inquisitive mind. Happy hunting.

    • Margie8

      Thank you! It’s keeping my nosy a** focused! I’d like to figure out a way to deal with this tax exempt thing. Without going all conservative on everyone, the IRS targeted Tea Party groups filling for tax exempt status (or didn’t, depending on what you believe!) yet here sits this “church” that doesn’t even come close to meeting the actual rules with full exemption status. Even as a conservative Mormon I’m iffy on ANY church having it, really. I wonder what can be done, if anything?

  • Tony Ortega

    Running a little late this morning again. Story coming soon.

    • OOkpik

      🙂

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Your stats are up this week, so we won’t report you to Ethics.

  • kemist

    Well, it seems that ISIS, like other cults we know, likes to recruit amongst drug addicts…

    http://anfenglish.com/news/the-drug-of-isis-and-al-nusra-captagon

    According to witnesses in Syria, a large part of ISIS’ “army” is made out of meth heads, and the amphetamine captagon is one major way they finance themselves. This explains a lot of things.

    • Susan black

      Same with cartels in Mexico.

      • kemist

        Yep, except they don’t hide behind religion.

        Soldiers for Allah my ass. It’s Breaking Bad, extreme edition.

  • Tony Ortega

    New story is up

  • Fink Jonas

    Funny that scientology claims to make the “able more able” but after so many years in the cult, she ended up doing something so dramatic to ask for HELP!, for god’s sakes she needed help, and it was denied by the very people claiming to protect her, some friends!