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Narconon is dead, long live Narconon! How Scientology solved its drug rehab addiction

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[The woman Scientology won’t name]

You have to give Scientology leader David Miscavige one thing: Once he makes a decision, it can get carried out very quickly. And after this weekend’s opening of a large new Narconon center in Clearwater, Florida, it’s plain that a major project Miscavige set into motion a couple of years ago is now pretty much complete.

Narconon, as we know it, is over.

And in its place is Narconon, version 2.0.

Let’s spin back a bit to get some perspective on how we find ourselves where we are. Narconon likes to say that in 1966 a former Arizona prison inmate named Bill Benitez read a book by L. Ron Hubbard and came up with the idea for Narconon (a name that combines “narcotics” and “no” or “none”). And while that’s true, all that really matters is that Hubbard, seeing an opportunity, took over Narconon and made it a part of his plans for his spy wing, the Guardian’s Office, to operate numerous front groups that would spread Scientology under the cover of “social coordination.” When Narconon was originally incorporated in 1970, one of its three officers was one of Scientology’s top Guardian’s Office spies, Henning Heldt, who later went to prison for his role in Scientology’s massive 1970s infiltration of the federal government in the “Snow White Program.”

Guardian’s Office documents, gathered during a 1977 FBI raid, make it quite clear that Hubbard saw Narconon as a stealthy way to introduce his ideas to very vulnerable people — drug addicts — and Narconon would be a “bridge to the bridge,” bringing new people into Scientology and its “Bridge to Total Freedom.” But Narconon was also valuable because it allowed Scientology to say that it was helping to better society by cleaning up addicts. In more recent years, all of Scientology’s most famous celebrities have endorsed Narconon, and you would regularly hear someone like John Travolta or Tom Cruise say that Scientology was “the authority on getting people off drugs.” To cement that notion, Scientology opened its biggest facility ever — its “flagship” rehab center — in Oklahoma, far from any of Scientology’s usual haunts in California and Florida. Meanwhile, at its annual events, Scientology boasted to its members that Narconon was growing rapidly around the globe as a hugely successful church initiative.

But to prospective patients, Narconon didn’t advertise its connection to Scientology. In fact, Scientology wasn’t mentioned at all in the contract that new “students” signed, and Narconon was careful to say that it was a “secular” program, and not a faith-based one.

And that’s where the trouble started. What was once a reliable money-making worldwide network of drug rehab centers ran into serious problems in the last half dozen years. There was the 2008 death of a patient in Georgia that resulted in a troublesome lawsuit and later a law enforcement raid of the facility, which was eventually closed. Then, in 2011 and 2012, an even bigger nightmare — three deaths in nine months at the flagship itself, Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma. Like in Georgia, law enforcement investigations eventually petered out, but a new crop of lawsuits and the bad press that came with them resulted in a major loss of business at the big facility.

And then, there was Ryan Hamilton. Other lawyers have sued the Narconon network, but Hamilton, a Las Vegas attorney, made it a cottage industry. He realized that Narconon was vulnerable not only because so many former patients claimed to have been harmed, but because Narconon’s business model, and its contracts, were steeped in deception.

Maybe that’s not too surprising for a business that was originally formed as part of a spy operation, but Narconon’s essential scheme was stunningly brazen, once Hamilton laid it bare: Narconon claimed to be a secular organization, keeping quiet about its connection to Scientology, and it promised, for about $30,000, to deliver individualized drug counseling in a safe environment staffed with medical personnel.

The reality could not have been more different. The Narconon program delivers no drug counseling at all, but is in fact just a repackaging, in nine booklets, of the exact same procedures that a beginning Scientologist goes through in a Scientology church. And while “students” at a Narconon are engaging in staring contests and yelling at ashtrays and baking for dangerously long periods in a sauna like good Scientologists, they are in a facility with zero medical personnel, staffed instead by program graduates. Recent lawsuits claim that the environment is rife with drug use and offers of drugs for sex. In other words, a Narconon is maybe the worst place for a family to send a young addict if they truly want a “secular” rehab center and extensive counseling.

As Hamilton honed the language in his lawsuits, attorneys in other parts of the country picked up their own cases as it became obvious that there was blood in the water. Narconons everywhere used the same contracts, and made the same promises, and produced plenty of unhappy former customers who could never get their money back. And there was no sign that Scientology was making any moves to change those contracts or reform the existing Narconon network, even as its flagship center in Oklahoma declined until it was running on fumes. And worse: That claim of being secular now came back to haunt Narconon, as it couldn’t run to court and claim special protection under the religious rights guaranteed in the First Amendment, as Scientology does every time it finds itself being sued.

Narconon appeared to be in serious trouble. Increasingly, we were getting reports that the companies that insured Narconon centers were freaking out, wanting to settle lawsuits that Scientology, characteristically, wanted to fight with its usual scorched-earth tactics. As Hamilton’s lawsuits began overcoming Scientology’s motions to dismiss with almost no defeats, things began to look dire. Narconon’s insurers were going to be cutting some large checks, and with no end in sight. But then, in January last year, Miscavige responded to the crisis by announcing that he was going to be opening up a whole new set of Narconons around the world.

Say what? Was the Scientology leader simply ignoring the cancer eating away at Narconon by doubling down?

Well, no. Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder was one of the first to recognize what was really going on. Miscavige was actually bailing on Narconon, and was replacing it with something new.

“I said it a year ago. He’s going to have to abandon Narconon as he knows it. The only thing he didn’t change was the name,” Rinder told us yesterday.

That’s echoed by a former Narconon official, who asked not to be named. “It’s a totally different era than when it was run by Narconon International and what those centers used to be like,” the former official told us. “Narconon International is now dead. Everything is being run by ABLE, and it’s a Sea Org operation.”

Let’s unpack that statement. Under the old model, individual Narconon centers, non-profit companies organized locally, were “licensed” under regional umbrella groups which were themselves all licensed by Narconon International, whose president was a longtime Scientologist named Clark Carr. Narconon International, in turn, was licensed by the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), a Scientology entity staffed by Sea Org members which also oversees Scientology’s other stealthy front groups that try to introduce L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology to schools, prisons, and at big public events. We’ve written previously that one sign of how ABLE is tightly controlled by Scientology leader David Miscavige is that he had its president, Rena Weinberg, disappeared to “The Hole,” a bizarre Scientology prison.

And then, at the end of January 2015, a year after Miscavige announced his plans for new Narconons, Carr himself vanished as the Los Angeles offices of Narconon International were suddenly cleaned out. Carr later turned up at a Narconon in Tijuana as his demotion became clear. But what happened to Narconon International itself?

Our former official tells us that it’s simply been erased, and the new Narconon facilities are reporting directly to ABLE and its Executive Director, a blonde woman who has showed up at the grand openings of all the new facilities in recent months, but who is never named in press releases put out by Scientology. She’s pictured above, and we wager that one of our expert commenters will recognize her and supply us with her name. (Sure enough: She’s gone by both Shannon Walker and Shannon Wilson.) But we find it bizarre that Scientology, in its stories about the openings, only refers to her by her title.

In Ojai in September…

Guests arrived for a private reception followed by a grand opening ceremony officiated by the Executive Director of the Association for Better Living and Education International (ABLE). Welcoming the guests, she told them, β€œToday, Narconon is a global leader in drug and alcohol rehabilitation…”

In Denmark, also in September…

In addressing those gathered for the grand opening celebration, the Executive Director of the Association for Better Living and Education International, ABLE, noted that β€œABLE is dedicated to improving society….”

And this weekend in Clearwater…

Officiating at the Narconon Suncoast grand opening ceremony was the Executive Director of the Association for Better Living and Education International (ABLE), who welcomed the guests…

Strange, isn’t it? (New “Ideal” Narconons were also opened recently in Mexico and the UK. But plans in Australia, Canada, and Maryland have been stalled as locals have successfully resisted zoning changes.)

Meanwhile, the changes to the existing network — or what’s left of it — are profound, the former official tells us.

“ABLE is directly managing Narconon centers now and Narconon International is toast. Along with this new ‘Ideal Narconon’ era has come more control, of course. Facilities are having to start making both staff and students wear cheesy Narconon uniforms, and they have released new program materials, and Gold [the Golden Era Productions studios at the International Base near Hemet, California] has produced new Narconon videos and PSA’s,” the former official says. “This has been met with some backlash from within the network. First of all, more than a year ago, Narconon Gulf Coast in Destin, Florida officially left the Narconon network and became ‘Blu by the Sea.’ They do not use any Scientology or Narconon, and none of their staff are Scientologists either. They are completely out.”

Narconon Suncoast, the facility that opened in Clearwater this weekend, has also been through big changes, he says. It replaces another facility that was in nearby Hernando County and had been the subject of a lawsuit over its expansion. The county was forced to pay $1.97 million in that lawsuit, but the facility then shut down and moved to Clearwater, and changed hands. It’s now run by the team that operates a Narconon in Louisiana, our source says. And despite the windfall of cash from the Hernando County lawsuit, the press release for the new center indicates that it was built with money from Scientology’s own International Association of Scientologists (IAS).

“They’re no longer hiding the direct connection to Scientology,” the former official says. “During the takeover, most of the Suncoast staff left because they were told they had to be on board with the ‘on Source’ ABLE program or get the fuck out. But that’s not even the biggest news.”

The real bombshell? Quietly, he says, Narconon’s entire Northern California operation appears to have ditched Scientology’s program.

“They recently closed one of their three centers, in Placerville, because they were not getting enough business and were starting to lose money. They had also tried to re-brand from ‘Narconon Vista Bay’ to ‘Emerald Pines,’ ‘Pinecone Grove’ and ‘Redwood Cliffs.’ This clearly didn’t work, as they still had the Narconon name. Now word has emerged from multiple sources that they have left the Narconon network altogether to do something different. Their Narconon-branded websites are down in maintenance mode, and their new site is elevaterehab.org.”

The new website specifically mentions ‘SMART Recovery,’ a science-based approach founded in Ohio that has nothing to do with Narconon. But our source says the change may not be wholesale.

“Given the number of Scientologists still on staff, I’d be skeptical that they are all they way out. It could be some hybrid like Per Wickstrom’s Michigan operations,” the former official says. “Anyway, there are a lot of shake-ups going on, and I’m sure more to come.”

We told Mike Rinder about the changes happening to the system, and we noted something else about the new facilities coming on-line or being planned — some of them are tiny. In Maryland, locals are still fighting a new Narconon center at a former fish camp called Trout Run, but what surprised us was that Scientology has already paid $5 million just for the parcel of what will eventually be a center housing only 20 patients (if Scientology can win a legal challenge).

And the new Narconon in Ojai, built in the old Larry Hagman estate, will cater to VIPs with only a handful of beds.

“If that place is only going to have about six beds, then this is just to cater to the elite friends of the celebrities, and to try and get ‘opinion leaders’ to do this program instead of trying to save the world from the scourge of drugs, which they promoted for a long time as the purpose of Narconon,” Rinder says.

The former official makes the same prediction. “The last few centers that are going to be left are going to be part of this Sea Org-style Narconon operation. They’ll be very empty, it will no longer be a money-making venture, and it’s all just a PR exercise,” he says.

Ironically, Rinder says, the new, more obvious tie between Narconon and Scientology was always something he argued for when he helped oversee Scientology’s legal affairs.

“I had always maintained that it was the best defense. And anyway, it’s true: Narconon is a Scientology-based program and everyone knows it. But they pretended it wasn’t so they could get government funding. It’s in the L. Ron Hubbard advices. He wanted the Narconon centers to be government-funded. And you can’t get that if they’re faith-based.”

Rinder predicts that Narconon will not only become a boutique operation more about public relations than making money, but that it may soon begin claiming to be a “faith-based” operation to protect itself from new lawsuits. The former official agrees.

“I think they have to eventually. Now that they’re announcing the connection to the IAS, and you have to call in your stats every week to a Sea Org member, how can you claim that you’re secular?”

 
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Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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  • Richard

    A post just for the fun!

    So, are you all fast-flow students and have you been applying your Bunker Study Tech lately?

    Grab a pencil and paper, take a deep breath and let it out while you do this quiz to discover if you are a Fully Hatted Bunkerite (FHB). The answers and results are at the bottom of the post.

    This is the session!

    .

    1) What would any Scientology quiz be without a question regarding its most famous adherent, Tom Cruise.

    Back in 2005, Tom Cruise was interviewed on television by Matt Lauer. But what did Tom say to Matt at a certain point?

    a) Who’s Xenu?

    b) Matt, you’re being suppressive

    c) You’re glib

    .

    2) In February of this year, just prior to an important hearing in the Garcia trial, Scientology surprisingly deposed an interesting personality. Who was it?

    a) Joy Villa

    b) Sherman Lenske

    c) Neil Gaiman

    .

    3) Scientologists and SPs just can’t seem to agree on how many wives Ron Hubbard had. So, for the record, how many were there actually?

    a) 2

    b) 3

    c) 5

    .

    4) Scientologists love writing knowledge reports on each other. It’s part of their culture. These knowledge reports can contain the most appalling things, but strangely, they are often signed off with words amusingly contradictory to what is written in the KR. What are these words?

    a) Very Sincerely

    b) Much Love

    c) Affectionately

    .

    5) David Miscavige has paid millions of dollars for private investigators to follow ex-Scientologists and SPs over the years. But one person in particular that has been tailed stands out amongst all the others as being a very strange and worrying choice. Who is it?

    a) His brother

    b) His sister

    c) His father

    .

    6) Saturday Night Live did a great spoof on Scientology back in April. But what did they call their “religion” in the spoof?

    a) Pscyentology

    b) Gibberology

    c) Neurotology

    .

    7) One of the most important aspects of Scientology is to donate money to the organization. The top donors are often called “whales”. These whales are continually pressed to give millions to the International Association of Scientologists, known as the IAS. But who is the biggest donor in the history of the IAS?

    a) Bob Duggan

    b) Nancy Cartwright

    c) Grant Cardone

    .

    8) “Graduation” is a weekly event that takes place in all Scientology Orgs. It is the moment when students are invited up on stage and are applauded by everyone for the new level they have achieved during the week. At the end of the evening, everybody stands up and gives three cheers to their founder, L. Ron Hubbard. But on which day of the week is graduation held?

    a) Saturday

    b) Thursday

    c) Friday

    .

    9) Many of Scientology’s sales techniques come from a book that was written by a person who was not a Scientologist himself. His name was Les Dane. But what was Mr. Dane selling that inspired his book?

    a) Second hand cars

    b) Life insurance policies

    c) Vacuum cleaners

    .

    10) One of the greatest worries for any Scientologist is the “between lives” period. This is the moment when, after dropping their current body, Scientologists are sent to an implant station where their minds are embedded with false data and only afterwards are they able to pick up a new meat body on Earth. However, achieving the state of OT8 allows Scientologists an absolution to this dire moment of their future existences. But seriously, where is one of these implant stations actually to be found?

    a) On Mars

    b) On Target Two

    c) On Uranus

    .

    Answers:

    1)c 2)b 3)b 4)b 5)c 6)c 7)a 8)c 9)a 10)a

    And what did you score?

    0 : Don’t worry. The Sea Org is always recruiting.

    1-3 : You mean your home page is not The Underground Bunker?

    4-6 : We would prefer you dead rather than a Bunker dilettante.

    7-9 : You need to pay for your next level. Come with me to the Registrar.

    10 : Tone 40 Bunker addict. Would you like to write a success story now?

    11 : Confidential.

    12 : Confidential.

    13 : Confidential.

    • Newiga

      Question 3 is actually really tricky. As Tony reminded us a couple of days ago, Hubbard was married twice but never had a second wife. He was happily married at the time he was questioned about the number of his marriages although his first wife was dead.

      • I first misread it as how many “wins” LRH had.

    • It’s a good thing I need to pay for my next level. At least now I know I am not a Scientology addict. πŸ™‚

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      9 out of 10 and I still have to pay? Back to studying

    • SuppressedPerson

      OH oh! I’m actually appalled I got as many as I did.

      • ze moo

        You visit the Bunker, you pick up knowledge. And fleas…ok, not fleas but you can get a virus or spammed if you visit $cieno sites. The only bug in the Bunker that comes to mind is flyonthewall they should not be swatted. Do we have any other bugs?

        • SuppressedPerson

          Thought I’d replied. Must have gone into the abyss.

          Speaking of rubber baby bunker buggies, has anyone heard from our old friend the ad hominem Scientology acct, Elle?

          I got called a “one lifetime meat suit loser”, which totally rocks!

    • flyonthewall

      10-10! No, I would not like to write a success story!

    • April

      Pop quizzes!?!?! Gahhhhh….I’m having flashbacks to my college days.
      Apparently I’m a C student in need of some regging.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      What happens if my answer to every question was Joy Villa?

  • nottrue

    Narconon Vista Bay review Nov 5 2015…….link to full review……http://www.yelp.com/biz/narconon-vista-bay-watsonville?sort_by=date_desc

    • StudentOfLife

      I will also second this as likely true. I mentioned in previous post that my OT2 friend put her daughter in Narconon, never once telling her it was Scientology related. She escaped after five days. OT2 told me one story about how her daughter smuggled drugs in and thus was kicked out. As I realized my entanglement with all the insanity of LieIntology, I decided to get OT2’s daughter’s perspective since I taught her son tennis. She was sober (contrary to impression her mother gave me) and she lambasted the Narconon Center. I did not relay beyond her claim he staff provided drugs but I did not say that they hit on her (she is very attractive like her mother) as I thought she might have been just angry and I know my side of the species can be pretty insensitive to their carnal urges as to how they affect women sometimes. I also was a bit skeptical knowing she was only there for five days before she climbed out a small window they left unlocked (she is skinny) and blew. She said she could have “slept” her way to graduation but was sick of being leeched from by sick people. Now I believe her.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    HI EVERYONE! OFF TOPIC FOR THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC POST BUT,: as we all should know PEOPLE magazine has leah remini and her escape from scientology on the cover. pretty much what has been reported already on here in the article.. HOWEVER, what i made note of (literally) was the brief editorial page from one JESS CAGLE, EDITORIAL DIRECTOR… (since i’m not a regular reader of PEOPLE is it normal for this person to write a 1 page editorial comment on a particular article in a issue?) anyway. the following below is word for word MOST of what he writes about this remini’ article and cover story… perhaps i’m jaded but after reading and re-reading it.. the ONLY thing i got was “him doing this to save his own ass, and his magazine from being sued?” i found it quite off putting and bordering on benign his statements and yes either willfully or unwillfully ignorant! makes me think how he got his job and yes, skirting the countless issues of this cult…. anyway all, you tell me what you gather from his statement as follows, this is NOT his entire editorial thoughts, but most of them….(actually if i didn’t know better it sounds like a P.R. statement from the cult itself!)…

    “I’ve come to know a few scientologists personally and a bit more about their religion. I’m often asked why intelligent, well-meaning individuals would join a church that is considered by some a cult?”.. “The truth is it works for some people. Scientology is not unlike a 12 step program. Parishioners are encouraged to rid themselves of resentments and insecurities by examining their past. It offers helpful communication tools and like, most religions, a sense of community. It is also a very insular organization which enables members to ignore numerous allegations of the church’s misdeeds, including accounts of physical abuse and vengeful tactics against ex-members.”

    Later he concludes: “And the church has reacted with insults and name-calling which says alot about scientology’s leadership. Leah’s story is a juicy inside Hollywood read, but it’s more then that. It’s a moving story about the value of questioning authority and how one woman survived a profound crisis of faith.”..

    Okay, so he makes a few, very few “negative connations” but for the most part this was ridiculous…

    calling the cult a church, calling the cult a religion and using the word parishioners?
    they are “encouraged” to rid themselves of resentments and insecurities by examining their past?”
    “i’m often asked (yeah, i’m sure people are always asking YOU mr.people magazine editorial director about scientology?! (really?!) and you know a few personally and a bit about it? (really?!)
    “the truth is it works for some people”
    “it’s not unlike a 12 step program”…

    i mean the cluelessness goes on and on.. granted, i guess i don’t expect him to expound on the truths of these statements, or put out information about this cult and it’s scandals and lawsuits and money scam and it’s history and so on and so on but come on! GET A CLUE AND A BACKBONE AND STATE THE TRUTH AND THE COUNTERPOINTS OF your own? personal statements!..

    leah remini a well known figure was in this cult for decades and he writes like it’s only her little unique story (what about the rest of her family!) and like she was quitting her gym membership!

    • Juicer77

      Do you have a link? This sounds like a classic case of CYA syndrome on People Magazine’s part.

      • Alice Graves

        Well they are the biggest kiss-butt rag, only do soft shoe numbers, no real reporting.

        • Juicer77

          I get what you’re saying, but articles like this make me wonder what the motivation is?

      • Tracy Schmitz

        no link juicer77…. i just went to my nearby bookstore and saw the magazine and read this “editorial” and having a notebook in hand wrote down what this excuser simpleton wrote..

        by the way everyone and anyone if you care to send a email to the editor about him and what he wrote the email is :editor@people.com

      • Tracy Schmitz

        oh, i forgot to mentions this jess cagle, editorial director guy DOES start off this 1 page editorial bringing up TIME MAGAZINE’s 1991 “cult of greed” issue and how the “religion” sued them, but how TIME magazine won in the end.. in fact, this “editorial” starts off with this information..so at least this excuser simpleton mentions that i guess… of course by him making mention of that he then knows about it and one would surmise he read and knows about the article himself, so what’s with the cya syndrome.. this cult sues them, people magazine can sue them right back as i’m sure they have enough in their coffers like TIME magazine to win a lawsuit, especially now in 2015… most of this editorial is completely cya syndrome as you mentioned! why state ANY OF IT in reality? your meaning his own experience which is stupid and nil.. and him writing like he’s some expert because “he knows a bit more about it and has known a few scientologists!”.. hmm, i watch alot of law shows on tv and my brother in law is a lawyer so i’m going to write my own personal opinion about the law as FACT because of what i know! really? REALLY?! geez, this guy should be a fricking cultie with that ego and cluelessness!…

    • BosonStark

      It’s like a 12-step program that has 120 steps and costs a half million to complete, and even then you’re not done. Ask a clam where their parish is, and they won’t know what you’re talking about. They’d probably say, “I’m not going to perish. I’m a survivor.”

      I’m with you, drop all the ecclesiastical claptrap BS they’ve pinned onto this scam when talking about it. Just call them Scientologists or cult members, no matter what their pseudo-military ranking is in the cult.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        i just did a google search on this jess cagle person and what came up was him being (pardon my language) a “STARFUCKER!”… former editor with entertainment weekly, giving himself hosting gigs at the oscars, judging jobs on top chef and now editorial director for People magazine and yes, who coincidentally has interviewed tom cruise a number of times over the years and who was quoted when he was with entertainment weekly.. that he personally “having interviewed tom cruise a number of times over the years does not believe the whole auditioning wives/katie holmes gossip rumor.. that in his words cruise seems like a guy who loves being in love.. their marriage was legit.. okay, maybe it was, but he comes across as a super fan NOT a balanced and far PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST/EDITOR!.. geez, what a douche he must be as a person and star butt kisser…

        • Graham

          I wonder if ‘editorial director’ might be some kind of bull-shit title? ie there’s a real editor who does 90% of the work then a semi-big name ‘director’ who’s basically just a front guy? Just a thought.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            director of the b.s. and cesspool that makes up 99% of hollywood… blame him and others for forcing us the public to endure what we have to endure in way of “celebrities” and “reality stars”…

      • daisy

        Scientology has ONE step- hand over all your future and present money. You can no longer afford your addiction of choice.

    • StudentOfLife

      Good catch! I’ve studied 12 step programs carefully and Rational Recovery and many other “recovery” systems and to compare this criminal syndicate called Scientology to 12 steps is an insult to 12 steps. 12 Steps does not claim to be a panacea, nor work for everyone, it doesn’t even charge money for it’s services, even AA can’t exclude anyone who has “a desire to quit drinking.” Scilons will kick you out if they think you are broke or have health problems. AA even claims a low success rate which can’t really be measured because they don’t keep stats. For those who live by the moral code of 12 steps, I think they do okay for a program whose real power lies in it’s altruism (no profit motive whatsoever, you can’t even will your estate to AA beyond a pittance amount). I know for a fact they’ve returned willed monies that would feed a city for years.

      Though I don’t think AA is perfect even though I, like M. Scott Peck think, you want to find a truly spiritual person, find a 12 stepper for anyone to think it’s a cult is also a simplification. It’s power is in connection and finding purpose in life which starts with action to be of service and not expect anything in return. I have a family member who has attended five world AA conventions and the least amount of people that attended was in the 2005 San Diego one and the stadium alone had a minimum 70,000 people (with seats on playing field) without an empty seat and there was almost 100,000 attendees with the overflow in various conference rooms throughout the city. Same this year in Atlanta, well over 70,000 attendees each day and that was also with no seating allowed behind the jumbotron screens. The pics without shooping tell the real story.

      I just got off the phone with my OT2 friend who is undergoing intensive auditing preparing to go clear in prep for OT3 and she was praising how deep those engrams were and that she’s seeing huge cognitions and wins as she realizes she never has to be restimulated again by her past traumas. When I asked her what is the difference between that and other therapies where drugs are required, or 12 steps working with a sponsor or another 12 stepper who has walked in your shoes and knows a way to let go of the past….. why should I pay for it when I can get it for free? I also told her I don’t believe any religion that charges for therapy is a church, at best it’s Scientology College because no real religion charges for access to it’s doctrines or hides everything until you pay a certain amount of money. I could hear her teeth gnash as she stated there is so much I don’t know and I countered with my offer to pay 10K as amends to Scientology if she can prove with real evidence there are millions of Scientologists around the world, or even hundreds of thousands in the Los Angeles area when I noted they hold their biggest LA gathering last year in a 4000 seat arena, or prove to me that OT8 John Novello (pretty accomplished keyboard player), who I have met several times, what makes him so powerful as to control over MEST (I noted to her he is pitching some MLM buyers club still and then switched his entire huge downline to a different one, lol after claiming his first one was the best) or she can bring me definitive proof of 10,000 members in a public gathering in one place (I even offered to pay 10K plus a dollar for any that can be counted over 10 thousand), well she quickly changed the subject and I chose to then back off as to the falsities of her claims. At some point, I will challenge her to meet with Tory Magoo.

      • Missionary Kid

        I know that this would lead to instant disconnection, and not a good idea, but my fantasy has me wondering what would happen if you showed her OT3, in Hubbard’s own handwriting, covering up that it was Hubbard that wrote it, and have her tell you after she goes through it, to tell you why you haven’t gotten pneumonia.

        That’s not a good plan, because she’ll get audited and asked about any contact with you before she actually sees OTIII. They’ll just have her audit you away until she spends all her money.

        • StudentOfLife

          i actually told her I read it in Hubbard’s own handwriting and that I didn’t get sick as claimed by Hubbard. She asked me what it looked like, how long was it, how did I know it was authentic not planted by the “psychs” and SPs intent on stopping the advancement of mankind. I quoted lots of upper OT material to her and told her I would prove that the use of Anthony Hopkins likeness and being part of Narconon was a fraud by Miscavige himself or I would pay 10 grand if she could prove it didn’t come from emails authorized by Scientology. I even offered to put Anthony Hopkins on the phone with her and let her hear him say how evil it was after she tried to claim he was a Scientologist not knowing he and I are acquaintances. Her bringing him up to me before I let her know I knew him meant she saw the email with the poster of Hopkins herself. (always listen to what they don’t say) She then backed off and stated that there is no way COB could be involved that if what I was saying was true, it was some advertising firm they had hired who forged it but it would not have been authorized by Miscavige. She told me it cost her 3 grand for my bringing up all this entheta as she had to undergo a sec check for bringing all this entheta to her. That is when she asked me not to bring anything up again but she keeps throwing “wins” such as her IQ going up 23 points recently at me, lol.

          • Missionary Kid

            Gee, I wonder who gave her the test to let her know that her IQ had gone up.

      • ze moo

        You are going to be disconnected from your OT friend very soon. I agree with your assessment of AA. I have 2 good friends who regularly attend and it has fixed their alcohol problem. Narcotics Anonymous has a similar outlook and also a small success rate. It is very hard to over come most addictions.

        At the end of an AA meeting, they pass the hat and pay for the room rental and coffee. There is no stipend or pay for the local officers of that ‘club’. No friend of Bill W ever made the big bucks. I have no idea what any national officer makes. I should look it up, they are a real charity and probably have a paper trail.

        • StudentOfLife

          They do pay officers at the national level, but they are very modest salaries. They are a true charity, and I suspect their recovery rate is higher than the 5 to 7 percent they claim if you take into account people who actually have a home group, get a sponsor, and make it through the 4th and 5th steps, which is where most fail in my observations, because the 4th step means you have to look at your own side of the street and quit blaming others. Hardest part is they make you write it out and they laugh at you or send you back to the drawing board if you try to play martyr or tell a story. Just the facts ma’am. Then they look for the patterns that are easily seen in your responses. We all have our secrets. Difference is 12 steps protects your anonymity and your 5th step secrets go to the grave of whomever you did it with. Biggest weakness I see in 12 step AA is they don’t deal real well with feelings and grief in particular, given behind every resentment and anger is usually sadness and as so many religions do, to say that all things happen for a reason, is pure B.S. IMO. As Megan Devine taught me, some things can’t be fixed, they can only be carried.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      TONY ORTEGA! WOULD BE GREAT FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS (only if you want of course!)>..

  • Jennhatesyou

    So how does this effect the court cases and their denial of the Con being Sci affiliated? Or does that not matter?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I would love to be a fly on the wall as the Narconon Exec Director explains through her minions that Narconon has always been faith based despite what its insurance applications stated or what it insisted were its defenses in the 50 odd lawsuits against it nationwide. I especially would love to be in court if any defense lawyer starts arguing First Amendment privilege mid-stream. I doubt, however, that any of the above will actually happen. Miscavige will just try to cut his losses in these cases by agreeing to the insurer proposed settlements and then moving on by adding to his long list of “Golden Age Failed Fraudulent Scams” (GAFF).

    • Standish

      GAFF, hilarious!

    • dungeon master

      And add 10 pages of densely worded arbitration agreements to the treatment program. Just standard legalese. You don’t need to bother reading it. Edit typo

      • HappypantsDance

        And for Xenu’s sake, DO NOT consult a lawyer before signing!

  • Nat-leficent

    Sort yesterday’s comments by OLDEST to vote for Howdycon 2016 location

    • flyonthewall

      it’s a trick, don’t do it!

      • Nat-leficent

        FLYYYYY!

  • Sid (Phil)

    RINGGGG

    “Hello, this is Narconon, a faith based drug rehab center that gets over 70% successful recovery rates. Our cost is only $30,000.”

    “What faith?”

    “Scientology.”

    CLICK

    “Hello? Hello? HELLO???”

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Sid!!!

      Good to see you. πŸ™‚

      • Sid (Phil)

        Thanks Stephanie. It was a bit sudden and we are now out of Florida and in the west. I’ll put together an update as soon as I can.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Hope everything is settled. You were missed.

        • OOkpik

          THERE you are! Welcome back. You’ve been missed.

          • Sid (Phil)

            Thanks Ook. It’s been an interesting few weeks.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Sid, according to policy written by the Founder the public is CLAMORING for Scientology. So the J&D you have written would never happen.

      By actual survey our new Ideal Orgs are booming and delivering highest evers on every stat.

      Even COB’s BS stat is at its stratospheric 47,000x highest ever.

      • dungeon master

        COB’s BS stat.. And here I was thinking it was if the Big Vault was fed better. I’ll go write up a KR on myself.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Has COB’s soiled underwear stat gone straight up and vertical this month? How is his Extreme Ecclesiastical Ethics Actions delivered to degraded beings stat doing?

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          As mentioned, COB SBE incidents are up dramatically in 2016.

      • So COB is one of those CEO’s who gives himself a 47,000 x bonus while he doesn’t see that his orgs are going down the toilet. Ah, now I get it.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          This is the way it works in the Church of Scientology.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        COB, I need your help Sir. Will you be putting out a “Christmas Wish List for COB” this year? I can’t decide what to get you and I’m wavering between a lifetime supply of Depends and the 64 year old Macallan ‘Lalique: Cire Perdue’.

        Help a wog out.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Send the Macallan. COB’s Depends are already paid for out of the COB SBE (Sudden Bowel Evacuation) Fund.

          COB SBE incidents of are up 47x this year.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Thank you Sir. I’ll package it up with Lou’s new knee-pads and have it there by Christmas.

            ML

            • Ninara Poll

              Knee pads? I would think she’d need a harness-based setup at this point….

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              ROFL!!!

          • Something can be done about it. Scientology can help.

            Explosive Diarrhea

            http://www.livestrong.com/article/250518-causes-of-explosive-diarrhea/

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              As with everything in Scientology we relabel things and sell a rundown for it. Hence, the wog problem of explosive diarrhea is renamed Sudden Bowel Evacuation in Scientology.

              The Scientology Sudden Bowel Evacuation Rundown requires five-intensives of auditing and sells for $85,000 less a 10% IAS lifetime membership discount.

            • Shouldn’t that be “Runsdown”?
              And what is that caused by? Being stuck in an alimentary incident?
              Does one go on the cans, or the can?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              SBE is caused by restim on volcanoes.

            • That makes much more sense.
              I guess if you were stuck in an alimentary incident, it would be the opposite, and I bet Scientology has a name for that.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I was asking about you the other day wondering if you’d been around.

      • Sid (Phil)

        I had a bit of a family thing come up with one of the kids. Left Florida and now out west. I’ll try to write it up and get some details out on it. Was a bit of an adventure. Nice to be back.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          If you feel comfortable, you have my undivided attention! Just getting back recently myself. Hoping it was a happy adventure, Phil. Only public address I have right now is moxiebaymusic AT gmail DOT com

        • aquaclara

          Hope things are ok, Sid.

          • Sid (Phil)

            Workin’ on it. Thanks.

            • aquaclara

              Sending you much luck. We’re here for you if we can help.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Wait…one of the disconnected kids? Is this a positive then?

          • Sid (Phil)

            Didn’t quite work out that way unfortunately.

    • Juicer77

      Glad to see you back, Sid. Missed seeing you for a while.

      • Sid (Phil)

        I am so glad to be back.

        • Juicer77

          Don’t want to be nosy. Hope all is well with you and yours. You don’t need to share anything about it.

    • Newiga

      Heeey! You’re back!!! We saved you a seat. I heard someone has home-made doughnuts and I’ve see Stolichnaya in all the colors of the rainbow being passed around. F5

      http://crestpacificbeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/stolichnaya-vodka-flavors-san-diego.jpg

      • Sid (Phil)

        Stolichnaya!! I’ll take 2 please.

        • Newiga

          That’s the spirit (A pun intended!!). πŸ˜‰

    • HappypantsDance

      LOL!!! Hi Sid! Phil! YOU!

    • Balance restored to the Bunker.

  • Nat-leficent

    F5

  • Ag

    is the nafc lawsuit done? How come so many lawsuits nation wide including the NAFC, doesn’t make this a headline in the major news outlets and ban the “narconon” for good or at least shed light on how bad it is

    • Tony Ortega

      I plan to have an update on the NAFC lawsuit before too long.

  • April

    “[Scientology] works for some people”…

    Not unlike how ingesting a tape worm might help you lose weight, but at the same time damages your health and might kill you.

    • SuppressedPerson

      Glad I wasn’t sipping coffee when I read that! LOL

      For something that is supposed to be be the salvation for ALL mankind, the whole “works for some people” is pretty weak sauce. It’s almost, but not quite, apologetic compared to all the previous bombastic claims.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Hey Zereul (Sebastian), could you email me? (How do I message someone my email on here? I usually use twitter to exchange contact information.) Turns out there is some convergence happening between the Genesis II Scientology spinoff and the anti-vaccination crowd within the Quiverfull movement. It goes deeper than the fact that the Arkansas children removed from their home over this were from a Quiverfull family. I’d like to talk to you about what’s going on with these Genesis II churches in North Carolina? I no longer live there, and I’d like to find out more.

    I write about the Christian homeschooling/Quiverfull movement. Here’s a previous article I wrote about it as an example, since I don’t write about Scientology: http://www.salon.com/2014/09/10/how_christian_fundamentalist_homeschooling_damages_children_partner/

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Write to Sebastian.jackson295@gmail.com. All lower-case (damn auto-correct).

      • Kristin Rawls

        thanks!

      • Kristin Rawls

        emailed you

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Emailed back.

      • Don’t worry. E-mail is not case sensitive.

    • aquaclara

      Kristin, this is a good article–thanks for sharing it. That whole Quiverfull movement is quite creepy. Before the Duggars, I had no idea this existed, and the only homeschooling types I knew were a couple of parents who had multiple degrees, and felt they could do better than the public or private schools around. (Also quite wacky, btw).

      It’s frightening to see education take such a step backwards. They are leaving these kids without any ability to cope or manage for themselves. The Scientology schools do something similar, and just put the kids to work.

  • I’m not a Scientologist, but there is a minor spelling error in your post.

    πŸ˜›

    (ducks)

  • Sid (Phil)

    OTVIIIisGrrr8! announced this new Scientology appointment of Jared. I just got the latest Freedom Mag and it seems to be true. (F5)

    • One Human

      “How Criminon Worked For Me”?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      As COB stated during yesterday’s press conference in defense of Jared Fogle, “According to Scientology scriptures children are trillions of years old thetans in child bodies and our protected First Amendment activities are nobody’s business but our own. Lots of those Mormon polygamists, well, Scientology ecclesiastical leader David Miscavige strongly feels that Warren Jeffs and Tony Alamo were both within their religious rights to marry twelve years old girls as per their religious views.”

      β€œJared Fogle’s only crime,” Delusion added, β€œwas that he did not start a Church. Had Fogle done so he could have kept himself out of prison for another 7-10 years fighting the charges β€” particularly if he
      had hired Scientology’s crack team of criminal defense attorneys.”

    • OOkpik

      This guy is a despicable sex offender preying on young children. Orange looks good on him.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      It is true. COB has assigned Fogle to SOFU.

      http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/SOFU_zps65mfgrnr.png

  • SuppressedPerson

    OT
    One of my fb friends found this gem.

    Nice grammar from the mostest, bestest, 477 big beans on this planet. Don’t know where the rest of the 10,000 are, but you’d think there’d be a tad of cognitive dissonance there.

    10000 OT VIII

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Yeah, If all those things were true then why did they have to block me on facebook for saying I wanted to try going Indie back when I was still a techophile.

    • HappypantsDance

      People who use commas like that make my head hurt, and that’s not counting the headache from everything else that’s wrong with that paragraph, including the insipid content.

      • SuppressedPerson

        I know. I want to red line it and sent it to them!

        Education! We don’t need no stinking education with L. Ron Hubbard Study Tech. We’ll just declare ourselves experts in all things. The way he did.”

    • ze moo

      That list of commas needs some semicolons. “True Friendship”, as opposed to what?

      • salin

        Ones that don’t include KRs between friends?

        • Ninara Poll

          KRs: When you want to send the very best πŸ˜‰

    • and, and, and, and, and, and . . .

      • SuppressedPerson

        If they want to “live in sane world”, they could start by escaping the cult, and working on basic grammar wouldn’t hurt.

  • Trivia: Tom Cruise’s official site hasn’t been updated since 12 Dec 2013. tomcruise.com Has he given up on that interthing fad?

    • HappypantsDance

      Too much very personal entheta, even for such a Big Bean?

    • aquaclara

      Maybe he lost his fan club president when they defected from the cherch. πŸ™‚

  • Juicer77

    Quote from t1kk (our own resident attorney Scott Pilutik): “So Scientology has left themselves legally, optically, and financially more vulnerable with respect to Narconon I guess I’m left to conclude that these were deemed acceptable risks because of a genuine belief, internally, that by seizing control more centrally, they can actually fix what’s broken.”
    So is this the first sign of the imminent coup? Is Davey slipping in his control?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Nope, DM is a true believer in the Tech. (My Opinion.) and actually thinks this is what Ron would do.

      • Juicer77

        Ok, but DM’s beliefs aside, how can he accept NarCONons that are not using the Tech – in other words, programming people up to start up the Bridge? That’s the sole reason for NarCONon’s existence!

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I think those NarCONons have split. I don’t think he accepts them.

          • Juicer77

            Well, then he has several battle fronts on his hands. Rogue NarCONons? Not smart to have so many places to send the few remaining troops, huh?

        • Observer

          He’ll accept anything that keeps money coming in.

          • Juicer77

            But the rehab part, even at a grossly overpriced $30K per patient, is chicken feed to him. Or these Ideal Narconons will be more like $300K per patient? SMH. ETA: without the mindscrew, too many questions will get asked, refunds will be demanded!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I think your mistake is thinking too logically about it. People usually have an emotional desire and then figure out how to satisfy this desire logically. DM needs to prove that NarCONon is working program. This is all part of that.

            • Juicer77

              You’re probably right! 100 bonus points to you for calling my thinking logical. Mr. J will never believe it. XD

            • Graham

              To call any sum of money ‘chicken feed’ is blasphemy to Slappy. For him there’s no such thing as a sum of money too small to be bothered about.

    • Jgg2012

      No, Davey is apparently an egomaniac. To be legitimate, Scientology needs by-laws, a succession plan, and a board of directors who can say no to Davey. It does not. It is an alter ego of David M. Miscavige.
      This satisgies his huge ego, but has some potentially dire consequences.
      I can see a deposition of Allan Cartwright now:
      Q. So David Miscavige changed the way Narconon is supervised in November, 2015?
      A. Yes.
      Q. And that took effect immediately, right?
      A. Yes.
      Q. So Davey has complete control over Scientology?
      A. Yes.

      • Juicer77

        “Judgement for Mrs. Rathbun.” (gavel bangs)

    • salin

      I think it’s Davey trying to take more control. Remember, he is the ONLY person who ever works around there and who EVER get’s anything done. And when things go wrong – it’s not him someone else is PTS around him and needs to be banished to the hole.

      • Juicer77

        I just can’t get beyond the NarCONon using non-$ci techniques. Something smells really fishy.

        • salin

          They aren’t. It is that some of the outfits in No. California have broken away from Scientology – are no longer Narconon. Remember, they have had credentialing issues in California. Tony indicated below that he used the new programming to indicate that these groups had indeed broken away from Narconon as they would *never* use other methods.

          • Graham

            I bet they’re suffering a bit of culture shock, if they’ve genuinely decided to ditch the Narconon fake therapy and are getting themselves trained in something that’s been properly validated and stands a chance of actually working.

  • Observer

    Mappin’s man crush on Trump progresses apace:

    • Oooh! At first glance I thought they were using Donald as an example of “Crippled America”.

      • HappypantsDance

        So did I!

      • salin

        “Crippling America” might be a more appropriate title. I think of Trump like Tanya Harding, with a lead pipe.

    • Juicer77

      I will drive down there forthwith and kick this doofus in the shins, on behalf of both nations. You’re welcome.

      • Sid (Phil)

        If you’re driving distance I wonder if a walk through the castle might be a fun adventure. Photos if possible.

        • Juicer77

          Would have to do some google mapping. Would be a great photo op if I can get there!

          • salin

            You would be a heroine to we Bunker bemused Mappin Watchers! er. You already are – so you would be even MORE of a heroine…. πŸ˜€

            • Juicer77

              *blushes*

          • Graham

            FYI: Once-Born’s the go-to guy for Scieno doings in the Devon & Cornwall area.

    • Sid (Phil)

      “Crippled Amercia” book by Donald Trump is now available for purchase at Camelot Castle. Comes with a signed litho of a Ted Stourton painting. (Note: Please don’t put unused lithos down the lavatory in the water closet.)

      • Juicer77

        Lol!

      • salin

        tears. laughter tears.

    • That really makes a lot of sense.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *facepalm*

      This guy is such a douche bag.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        appears mental

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Hehehe!! Also, appears obnoxious.

        • salin

          Trump, or Mappin? Or…. (drum roll) Both.

    • daisy

      …says one tacky hotel owner to another tacky hotel owner…

  • http://www.narcononfreedomcenter.org/en/news/narconon-suncoast-grand-opening.html

    DM you never cease to amaze us independents & “wogs”…. Wow you are dumb….

    ***RICK in INDIANAPOLIS***

  • Nat-leficent

    The disqus mobile interface is solo much better today!

    • Juicer77

      Seems to be cooperating (*looks sharply at Disqus* πŸ™‚

    • HappypantsDance

      Ssssh! You’ll spook it!

  • Hit me like a ton of lead.
    Allen Toussaint, New Orleans R&B Mainstay, Dies at 77
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/11/arts/music/allen-toussaint-dies.html

    America has lost a national treasure.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5MO0i7sz4Y

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      A true talent. He will definitely be missed. πŸ™

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh noooo. Last saw him at NO Jazz Fest right after the floods. He was a larger than life talent and beautiful human being.

    • Supper Powers

      Man, I saw him live in a very small venue and it was really incredible. Bummer.

  • Moonshot

    More than just a PR move. It’s also a new way to suck huge amounts of additional cash from the remaining “whales.” All in the name of “saving” The Tech and sticking it in the ey of the “psychs” and “SPs.” Never let a crisis go to waste.

    • Juicer77

      Agreed. But how do you explain the off-Tech sites that aren’t using $ci teachings to get people on the bridge? If Mismanage is doing a quick cash grab, that’s really short-sighted and smells like real desperation.

      • Moonshot

        Everything in Scientology is a desparate cash grab. Whatever goes wrong is “the fault of SPs”–internally or externally or both. It never stops.

        • Juicer77

          There’s usually a long range plan to keep the cash flow open, This is plainly DM stuffing cash in his pockets as fast as he can before the suckers figure him out.

          • Moonshot

            Just one more scam in the relegion of scams. Scameology, the Only Game Where Everyone Deludes Themselves They’re Winning While Losing.

      • ze moo

        The owners of those sites that are abandoning $cieno tech are trying to stay in the rehab business. I have to wonder if any money will be sent ‘uplines’. Probably not, they are not using Lroon’s ‘therapy’ any more. It is about the money. They have an investment in the properties and have relationships with insurance companies.

        I do have to wonder if the credit card scam will continue, a lot of danger in doing that.

        • salin

          I think what is confusing folks is two different things are happening at the same time and some are reading them as a combined event rather than the confluence of two distinct events:

          a) Some are breaking away from Scientology – and a piece of evidence is the different programming that veers far from Scientology.

          and

          b) There are some organizational changes which move Narconon more overtly under the Scientology umbrella. I think this second part is what t1kk was referring to.

          Or – I am confused in trying to sort it out.

          • Kestrel

            I think you’ve got it right. It sounded to me that some facility owners viewed association with Narconon/Scientology as a liability and wanted to continue in the industry without that association. Whether these facilities continue to cram niacin down their clients’ throats while baking them in a sauna is another matter. If they continue to use the literature, I would expect they would be required to pay for the … privilege, but there are a number of ways to provide treatment to addicts and alcoholics.
            At the same time, other Narconon facilities have had their reporting structure altered.

          • ze moo

            Confusion is the mantra of any one looking at $cienoland.

            Those facilities that are breaking away’ are doing so because they want to stay in the rehab business. To do that they are going to have to legit. That means real accreditation and having a qualified staff. That is a tough nut to crack for places steeped in NarCONon philosophy.

            The now defunct NarCONon International was listed a owner at many NarC facilities. I guess that ownership was transferred to ABLE. It does remove one corporate entity from the lawsuit tangle, but how deep are ABLE’s pockets?

            Lots of questions and time will answer many of them.

  • Allie

    After the Leah Remini interview on 20/20, the local station in Salt Lake did a segment called
    Scientology in Utah. A few interesting tidbits: The spokeswoman said they have 6,800 members in Salt Lake.
    (That’s hysterical considering that’s 1/4 of the predicted number of Scientologists). Liar–it’s probably only 68
    members.

    She was asked if people from other religions could be Scientologists. She said “yes, of course. There are
    quite a number of Mormons”. I find that to be quite amusing, since Mormons tithe 10% of their income to
    the church. That certainly wouldn’t leave much left to pay for expensive courses up the bridge.

    Salt Lake has an org (I previously posted a photo of TUML in front of it). There is also a mission in the downtown area. It was mentioned that the org will be moving to a new 43,000 sq ft building in the next year.
    No comment was made about what might happen to the mission.

    http://www.good4utah.com/news/local-news/inside-the-utah-church-of-scientology

    • Juicer77

      I hope they consider a rebuttal piece.

      • Graham

        Comments section is Disqus and elle is already there, fighting her usual losing battle.

        • shasha40

          Oh , I remember when . But , my fellow Bunkerittes taught me about trolls and how to truly “confront and shatter ” , with ignore tech !!!

          • shasha40

            Lol , I just thought about when I first started making comments and talking petitions and total outrage , which we all still have . Here I am still coming around like 4 years later . But I have patience . Tick , Tock ,tiny dick … According to you and your SO contracts I got a billion years to wait .

          • Missionary Kid

            That is a public forum. I go over to them and comment, using logic and facts. No ad hominem attacks. Remember that there are other people reading who have no idea about $cientology. I use it as a means to educate the other people who read.

            • shasha40

              No , I’ve done that before . I’m talking about the obvious , ” bull-baiters” , you know ? πŸ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, I know. By only responding with measured facts, it just makes them look like bullbaiting assholes, which is the desired result.

              I don’t take shit that people write on the internet personally. They don’t know me. I’m actually a 16 year old dwarf from Transylvania.

            • shasha40

              Bwahahahaha !

          • Missionary Kid

            When they come here, I use ignore tech.

            • shasha40

              You helped teach me that too ! You know I Love you , MK !!! It works every time . But I remember it was hard not to try and correct them , attempt to educate them . At some point I recognized how futile it was .

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I’ve already have the first question for their rebuttal piece:

        “Can you prove you have 6800 members in the area?”

        • HappypantsDance

          Or

          “If you have 6800 members, then why is your org always empty?”

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            That too, but first I’d want proof of that number. It’s time to start calling them on the bullshit numbers that they just throw out there. I don’t know if this reporter was paid but ugh, if that piece was any puffier it would be marshmallow.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              exactly worse “journalism” then a high school newspaper….he should be ashamed as should that entire station…

      • Allie

        I hope so too. But they probably won’t. Randall Carlisle is an
        idiot reporter and does the weekend news. This is typical of his
        puff-piece reporting.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          probably got hired (and thought he SHOULD be a local news “celebrity” for his voice…!

    • Frodis73

      I emailed that reporter and called BS. He actually wrote me back MORE BS. Ill post it…pretty funny.l I have not emailed him back yet though. I really think he was paid.

      • Juicer77

        Yes, please share!

    • Frodis73

      Here is the reply I got back. I WILL write this ahole back. I especially cant wait to show him what LRH said about Jesus.

      Thanks for writing. I said from the beginning of the story that
      this is what they tell me about their religion and this is not claims
      from disgruntled ex-members or families of ex-members. When you claim
      that I should “fact check”, that would mean interviewing
      people opposed to the religion. That was not the point of this story.
      There have already been thousands of negative stories making the claims
      you are talking about.

      I could take any religion and tell the stories of people angry with
      that particular religion. All religions have peculiar practices and
      rituals if you are not a member of that religion.

      If you look at the wording of my story, I always say this is what
      they tell me. I do know for a fact that there are members of other
      religions, including LDS, who are also Scientologists.

      This was the first chance ever that a member of the media was
      allowed to interview a leader of their church on camera, and I welcomed
      that opportunity. I hoped it would spark discussion and thought and
      apparently that’s what it did for you.

      Thanks for writing and have a great Sunday.

      • Supper Powers

        It didn’t spark discussion, it sparked correction.

        • Frodis73

          LMAO. He was shredded in the comments too.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Um no dude, fact-checking would involve checking facts. It would not require you to speak to any “disgruntled members”

        • Frodis73

          IKR? Reporter my fat white ass!

      • This was the first chance ever that a member of the media was allowed to interview a leader of their church on camera, and I welcomed
        that opportunity.

        Where did he hear this? It’s an out and out lie.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Could the person they interviewed be considered a “leader” of the “church” anyway?

          • It doesn’t even matter. The reporter is an idiot for even making such a claim.

            E.G.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exzmE3vW_Tw

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              You would think the reporter or fact checkers would’ve done their homework first.

            • shasha40

              There are so many that don’t , and don’t care . Isn’t that why we’re addicted to the Bunker ??? πŸ˜€

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Ah, but I want to believe in the Fourth Estate…

            • shasha40

              Snap out of it !!! πŸ˜€

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Seriously, what am I thinking? I’ve watched too many David Simon TV shows. ; )

            • shasha40

              Probably .. πŸ™‚

            • Doc M

              This is a perfect example of why he hasn’t done an interview since.

          • shasha40

            Yeah , just don’t let ” wee davey ” hear of it . ssshh!

      • Also sounds like this guy is a Mormon.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Oh lord, I hate that straw man “all religions have problems” blah blah bullshit. It’s just a distraction from the real issues at play.

        • shasha40

          It’s ok . Anyone have a match ? Lighter will do too !

      • The story reads like a high school junior wrote it anyway. Maybe not worth your time to even criticize it?

        • Frodis73

          Maybe, but I was surprised he actually wrote me back.

          • Only because he’s petulant lol

    • Mighty Korgo left an epic comment to Elle, a bunch of Bunkeroos did and all she seems to have is I Know You Are But What Am I Tech to fall back on.

    • Allie

      I apologize for posting this article. I was on vacation and saw it briefly on tv. No wi-fi so I couldn’t post it
      but made a note to do it when I returned. In reading your comments I went back to the article and
      found that many Bunkerites already knew about it and had commented on it. I should have realized that
      Bunker folks would be on top of it. The interviewer Randall Carlisle is indeed a doofus. I’m glad that
      so many ppl challenged him about the fact checking. He just seemed to take their info as gospel.
      Hopefully he’ll get hammered by the station for doing such a piss-poor job on the story.
      Again, my apologies. I’m still kerfluffered about getting back to RL, catching up on projects, reading the Bunker and trying to winterize my house and do yard work. And dammit, it’s snowing here today. Ugh!!

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        No apology needed IMHO. I’m glad you linked to that disgraceful fluff-piece; the comments are excellent :-))

    • Tracy Schmitz

      are you kidding me? this reporter/journalist should be ashamed as well as the entire station for basically doing a advertisement for this cult… i’ve seen more “hard hitting” journalism in a high school newspaper!…

  • Juicer77

    Going to leave this right here. Just walk away, NarCONon, walk away.(f5)

    • B4you

      It don’t seem scary to me! What is it?

      • Juicer77

        Maryland State flag πŸ™‚

  • I wonder if Miscavige is going to try to rebrand all of Scientology?

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Scienetics?
      Dianology?
      Cruistianity?

      • shasha40

        Footbullet town ???

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Doesn’t quite roll off the tongue like the others.

          • How about Celebranity? Famoustology? Wealthinetics?

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              How about Poop Soup!

          • shasha40

            I know , but I just wanted to say footbullet town .

      • You can rebrand without renaming. I work in an industry that thrives on rebranding.

        • salin

          Wouldn’t GATII fit – for an internal rebranding (not that it worked).

          • Definitely. And I would call it successful. It is raking in the dough.

      • Graham

        Neuratology surely?

      • Psychologinetics?

      • Wereonlyheretotakeyourmoneyandmakepromisesthatwecantkeepbecausewewanttoberichism

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          Yourbodyisinfestedbytheghostsofdeadspacealiensbutwewonttellyouthatuntilyouarealreadyhundredsofthousandsofdollarsinandalreadydeclaredclearism

        • B4you

          dot com

        • Rasha

          …damn! Where’s that checkbook?? Hold on!…..

      • Jgg2012

        Miscavenetics

  • earlier today I posted a pic from Clark Carr’s facebook page showing all up to his elbows teaching “touch assists”… I always make it a point to check out their “friends” to see if I see anything interesting… anyway I came Bruce Wiseman [of Wiseman & Burke?] and had a look at his pictures and came across this one where he’s with a few top clams at the IAS in East Grinstead showing off his medals… guess what they call themselves?

    pic

    • Bruce Wiseman is the head of CCHR and also runs the firm Wiseman & Burke with his fellow Scientologist Kevin Burke. They provide business management and accounting services to high profile and celebrity Scientologists.

      • I remember I ‘infiltrated’ myself into their affairs a year or so to have a look at the people they helped…. I was following a Bohdi Elfman rabbit hole where he was listed as one of their directors… every link I clicked I found out that he was involved in a lot of high end real-estate lettings [non-business… luxury apartment blocks type thing] in Clearwater and it’s surrounding [plus other places in the mid west] as a director/shareholder… it made me realise where a lot of his money was coming from… his name has since completely disappeared

        • Incidentally, my dad was employed there after we moved from Texas to California.

          • I think the reason these guys are smiling so much is that they know they scammed the basic level [for want of a better word] scientologists to actually pay for those ridiculous medals… these guys are like the top echelon of the pyramid scheme that just keeps on giving!

            • Scientology isn’t a pyramid scheme. It’s a microeconomy, with David Miscavige at the helm.

            • Missionary Kid

              If you take money without paying anything forward, it’s a regular con, not a pyramid scheme.

      • Mockingbird

        What is your opinion of the services they offer ?

        • What do you mean?

          • Mockingbird

            What do you think about what those people and companies do ?

            • I’m still not entirely sure what you mean. That’s a very broad and potentially loaded question. Maybe be more specific.

            • Mockingbird

              Uhh..if those people and companies do something… and you have any opinions on it what are they ?

            • I’ll try my best to answer your question. I was talking about one company, which is called Wiseman & Burke. They do business management for high profile and celebrity Scientologists, neither of which apply to me. So I am not a client of theirs and I cant provide an opinion the services they provide. I also never worked for them as an employee so I can’t provide an opinion from that perspective either.

              As I said, my dad worked for them and from what I understand, besides doing work for celebs it was a run of the mill Scientology company. Shitty benefits, low pay, Sea Org members constantly in the workplace regging people for services or calling in for that purpose, doing auditing in the workplace, employees required to do Scientology training, making people write up overts and witholds and do Scientology-conditions which are supposed to improve statistics that are used to monitor everyone’s quality of work. Overall just a shitty, shitty place to work like any Scientology company is.

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks.

            • Sure. I have worked for three Scientology companies.

              One of them was a place that provided OSHA compliance, insurance and representation. Their service was kind of valuable but they included auto-renew clauses in their contracts and would continue charging people if they didn’t cancel their contract a the end of the year. Basically what they would do is send people out to inspect dr’s offices to make sure they complied with OSHA regulations and provide insurance that covered up to 100k in fines from OSHA, and also they would send out a team member to be present during OSHA inspections. They were starting to get into medical waste removal when I left. It was a good service they provided, and they paid me okay for my first job, but I was way underpaid for the amount of responsibility I was given. They had piss poor benefits though.

              The second one was a company that sold L. Ron Hubbard management technology to businesses and helped them reorganize based on those principles. They did seminars and classes basically selling Scientology in a business fashion the same way that Narconon did in their racket. They had courses for employees to do that were just Scientology courses with all references to Scientology scrubbed. Most people were on a commission basis with sales and benefits were non existent. I was in sales and didn’t last three months. I hated selling Scientology even if they weren’t calling it that.

              The last one was an antivirus company. I was paid fair there. They had okay benefits, but they also employed more non-Scientologists than Scientologists and they had everyone doing “stats” and “conditions”. They had trouble making payroll a lot. Useful service, crappy company. I was there for 1.5 years.

              The minute I moved into the non-Scientology world of business my pay went up, benefits got better and I was being treated fairly, not being measured by “stats”.

            • Mockingbird

              I really think you could write an excellent book about your experiences in Scientology and impression of what effects it created.

      • Missionary Kid

        That way, they know exactly how much they can reg their clients to give.

        • You are right. That’s standard practice for the Reges to call and see how much money a person can donate, and the employees there at Wiseman & Burke will tell them.

          • Missionary Kid

            Another example of $cientology confidentiality.

    • flyonthewall

      I like Pomerantz’s comment re the “Dues Brothers”. Could he have meant it any other way than literally? And he’s proud of himself for this? What a putz

      • salin

        “We don’t have to actually do anything for our medal, we buy them. Heck wait long enough and one of us will probably hock it or try to sell it on ebay as we try to raise money to pay our debts.”

    • Ah, its as I suspected.
      Its like past Masters champions at Augusta. They all wear their medals at a special lounge at Saint Hill.

  • aquaclara

    So is Kurt Feshback still involved in this Narconon operation in Clearwater, do we know? Anyone spot him in any pics?

  • Vaquera

    O/T: Today’s zen moment from a lakeside beach with Pan…f5.

    • beauty for ashes

      Um… I want to live here. :):):) Stealing!!!!

      • Rasha

        You do know it’s only a few feet square….. ;P

    • Observer

      Wow!

    • Rasha

      …seriously, though… free muffins???

      hehe! J/K! You had/have the BESTEST DAY EVAR!!!!!! (and this pic…. just…. wow….. O.o )

      • Vaquera

        Yes. Yes I have. Amazing the friends one can cull from a blog on the fringe of the internet.

        • Rasha

          <3

    • aegerprimo

      Gorgeous photo!
      During my vaycay through the New England states last month, I wish I could’ve met you and Pan. It wasn’t meant to be.

      • Vaquera

        Seriously, you were so close I probably felt the breeze as you drove by.

        • aegerprimo

          Yeah, I drive fast.

    • Beefy kitten.

      • April

        A kitten with the musculature of a pit bull. Terrifying.

        • ze moo

          One very young black panther. Look at those feet!!!

    • Rasha

      KITTEH!!!!!

  • Kim O’Brien

    Looking to rent a house in Cleveland for HowdyCon πŸ™‚ ( seems to be in the lead ) …

    POT IS LEGAL IN COLORADO GUYS

    But Cleveland looks cool …and i can always drive and bring a gift πŸ™‚

    • StudentOfLife

      Kim, are you the POC for Cleveland? I was thinking the same thing in case LA won though I could probably get it donated in LA given my tennis contacts by just trading tennis lessons in return for Bunkerites who need financial help staying for free. My concern is some ex’ers might not have fully recovered yet financially enough to afford travel and lodging both so I’m always wiling to help out in any way I can. If you talk to the owners, and they are big tennis fans, or have kids taking tennis lessons, tell them you could throw in some lessons with a world class tennis coach. I will send references if they wish. You would be surprised how far that can go. Tennis fanatics love nothing more than instant improvement. An English father is bringing me a top British13 year old next week as he has lost her way. Also, I will offer tennis clinics that will make tennis very simple to enjoy instant rallying back and forth. My book “The Real History of USA Tennis Instruction: How the Eyes Couldn’t See what the Mind didn’t know” comes out in 2016 after 12 years research. 50 pages of the Real History of USA Tennis Instruction have been published online since 2009.

      • Miss Tia

        I’m the Cleveland person. I have a group rate for the radisson ($119 a night, which can be shared—2 beds so for the weekend it would be $119 for 2 nights if you shared a room).

        If someone rents a house somewhere in Cleveland, then I think that would be more expensive as you’d have to travel downtown to do things, not to mention the house costs, etc. I didn’t even look into that option.

        • StudentOfLife

          That makes sense. Hotel rates are great so thank you Miss Tia. I can afford a hotel but always love the home experience if I’m invited to such. I could easily put out an ad for a Cleveland tennis coach looking to benefit from my on court training as I certify coaches but would rather enjoy the company of the Bunker. If I do the tennis coach thing I’ll just extend my stay. Okay, how do we know who to pair up with. I’ll start it off.

          If someone needs a roomie, let’s see, this is awkward given no one really knows me outside of Nora Crest personally….. 56 year old non smoker, overeducated male, highly certified tennis coach who plays well still, a former certified calculus teacher (explains why I read so much and why Richard Feynman amazes me) a gentleman who knows when not to be overly gentlemanly (Rhett Butler is a real “man” I tell even my 18 year old half black son), sees the glass as half full extrovert, and loves life in general, always laughing, even at himself. Go with the flow kind of person; enjoy good parties but at a bar I like to dance if the band is right, especially swing dancing. Life is too rich to be bored. Penn and Teller still amaze me even when I know the tricks. Hyperactive is my default. Love sight seeing, comedy shows, musicals and magic shows. My email is on my Disqus profile.

          • Miss Tia

            yeah, that’s a good question, we’ll have to figure that out for sharing rooms—for those that want too, i know i want too…..i expect though, that basically we’ll just be sleeping in our rooms mostly, ya know? but it would be great if we were mostly in the same place to make it easier to go off to do things in groups—if people wanted to go to the rock hall, or museums, etc….

            i like penn & teller too!! if you saw my google doc, i have the cleveland theater district listed, which is the largest theater district in the US outside of NYC…..

            i honestly wouldn’t worry about giving tennis lessons as cleveland is going to be swamped and filled to busting quite soon after howdycon (if it’s held there) for the RNC…..prior to howdycon (if it’s in cleveland) is the transplant games and most hotels are booked up for that…..so our weekend is sort of the ‘calm before the storm’ so to speak before everything and everyone is booked to the max!!! even hotels/motels in akron are being booked for the RNC and they’re 35-40 minutes away!!

    • Miss Tia

      I have a group rate of $119 a night at the Radisson downtown, if you shared a room that’d be half that. If you rent a house, you’d be outside of downtown, then would have to get down there, etc. Also that would cost more, would require insurance (probably), etc. If Cleveland wins, if we agreed to a code, the guy at the Radisson would have our event page to reserve rooms (no charge til you check in) set up within a day. Code for discount like: HowdyCon, YSCOHB, etc. I called a lot of hotels to get a group block rate. We can take up to over half the Radisson. The lady at the Hyatt got back to me and we could stay there also (that’s $125 a night)–the Radisson was/is more accommodating though IMO.

      If you haven’t seen it, this tells you how close everything is to the hotel, etc. If you stayed at a house, that would add a multitude of variables—transportation, times, etc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jq_ZRYPhi5OrT1HgsZbf0qp5tCwkw8E28JIpxzQ0YkY/edit

      • Kim O’Brien

        this looks cool

        • Miss Tia

          i tried to be very budget friendly and also have a huge variety of things for people to do within walking distance or a short, usually free, ride away!!

    • Frodis73

      What MT said is pretty true. Most houses would be in the suburbs vs actually downtown. If you are serious though, I do know a realtor that might be able to help or point you in the right direction. Downtown is mostly high end apartments and condos, however there are some cool loft/warehouse type places that have been re-done and are unique, but would probably cost a pretty penny. Also, since we are doing this in the summer it might be harder to find as people come back to Ohio in the summer but leave in the winter.
      I love the idea of a house as there is more privacy, space, etc. Let me know and we can swap emails and look into it deeper. If Cleveland wins that is…Im scared to look.
      Remember folks, vote early and often…for CLEVELAND!

      • Miss Tia

        Would you be staying at the hotel Frodis? I’m gonna do that, obviously.

        Also keep in mind that places are on reserve for the RNC. I was lucky to find the deals/places I did. Downtown would be horribly expensive. Then you’d have parking expense coming downtown, driving back, etc. As I proposed, we’d have a couple fun filled days, not mostly in the hotel.

        • Frodis73

          I just emailed you and I did forget about RNC. Doh!

          • Miss Tia

            Haven’t got the email yet! Yeah, things are REALLY booked —even in advance with the RNC. Also the Transplant Games are the weekend before June 17-19 (the games end June 15) and things are booked thru the 16-17 in some cases because of those games. AND some of the media set up and RNC set up people are arriving in Cleveland early! It’ll take almost a month to get all the media set up at the Convention Center—the media headquarters and of course they’ll start work at the Q (around basketball games and what they can do in advance of course).

          • Miss Tia

            got it/replied! πŸ˜€

      • salin

        Cleveland is looking good!

      • Kim O’Brien

        i have found some cool places on Airnb πŸ™‚

        kimob924@gmail.com

      • Kim O’Brien
    • Home Away is probably your best bet. Apparently we have a bunch of Drew Carey-ites among the Bunkerites. πŸ™‚

      • Miss Tia

        only thing i know about drew carey is when he’s in kent at ray’s he picks up the whole bar’s tab…..you see him enter the bar, you can exceed your drink budget! πŸ™‚ a very generous thing for him to do….

        ETA: if people want a hotel, there are group rates at 2 different hotels already arranged in case cleveland is picked…..right smack downtown…..

    • OceanMomma

      If you’re going to try and sway the vote I get to too. BOSTON! We have whales, the big blubbery mammals in the ocean not to be confused with the big blubbering mammals on land that DM hunts, Red Sox, the original tea party, Paul Revere, witch trials, and on and on.

      I know it’s Cleveland but i really needed to remind myself of the good things here because it’s November and I’m going to be wondering why the hell I live here freezing my assignment off for the next 6 months. Put the extra blankets on the beds today. It sucked.

      Edit: auto correct did it again. Ass not assignment. damn thing won’t let me swear.

  • somebody mentioned earlier about the NCIS:LA episode closely based on scientology…. here’s a bit more about it http://www.tvequals.com/2015/11/10/ncis-la-an-unlocked-mind-season-7-episode-7/

    pic

    • Tracy Schmitz

      that was me! lol!..

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    O/T: U.S. Bunkerites remember tomorrow is Veterans Day.

    The land of the free, because of the brave. ❀

    • April

      Tomorrow is also my grandmother’s 88th birthday!
      She was a Rosie the Riveter in WW2, working on airplanes.

      • beauty for ashes

        Hey I just saw an amazing documentary about Rosies. Absolutely changed my perspective, and put human faces on the icon.
        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081053/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_3
        Maybe you guys can watch it together. πŸ™‚ Happy Bday to your Gram!

        • April

          Thanks, I’ll check that out.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        That is so cool April. Please send her my best wishes for her birthday and my massive appreciation & respect for her work in WW2. #BadAssGrandma

      • Rasha

        “WE CAN DO IT!”

      • chukicita

        Wow! Please wish her a happy birthday and a big THANK YOU for her service!

      • daisy

        Big Happy Birthday and even more thanks for her WW2 service. She remains a cultural icon for Women*s rights and values today. Those women transformed how women were thought of in this century. There was no going back to being thought of as helpless. The Rosie*s of this world paved the way for many of the women in a little known bunker ditty. Wimmin, Congratulations.

  • Observer

    OT: Mr Observer got me Fallout 4!!!!!!!!

    • flyonthewall

      Nice! What’s the occasion?

      • Observer

        It came out. lol

        • flyonthewall

          the best reason of all

    • Acherontia

      I woke up to my napping ps4 and saw Fallout 4 was ready for me. Then I had to go to work 😐

      I’m excited to play a game that takes place in a location I know! Well, a century or two after it was nuked, but, you know.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Got a relative on the Chicago PD & Chicago Fire television shows.

    They have both been renewed already.

    • chukicita

      Yes!

      • MaxSpaceman

        For the 2016-17 season. Chicago Fire will be entering its fifth season, while Chicago P.D. will begin its fourth.

  • FredEX

    Think I saw her last year at the Dallas Org. Looks familiar.

  • daisy

    Yet another soft ball I nterview wit John Travolta on the Insider

    • Second line:

      (we do)

      • flyonthewall

        *shrug* You get used to…HEY SHUDDUP DOWN THERE!!

      • daisy

        Sad but true.I will add it if I can figure out how.

  • Speaking of Henning Heldt, here is a little blast from the past. Paulette Cooper is mentioned.

    • Observer

      He just looks so smug.

      • In 2008 at “Flag World Tour”..

        • Observer

          Yikes! Scientology has not been good to him.

          • Check your FB pm, pls.

            • Observer

              done

          • Frodis73

            Sci seems to age anybody that gets near it.

            • Observer

              To me it seems “suck the life out of” rather than “age”.

            • Frodis73

              Lol, that is a better description thats for sure and I agree 100%.

        • Captain MustSavage

          Where are his vestments, dog collar and cross??

      • beauty for ashes

        Its the mustache. Otherwise he’d have a very feminine face.

    • flyonthewall

      ” I don’t initiate policy, I carry it out” – says any Nazi ever, I mean Henning Heldt.

    • Rasha

      wakka-chicka wakka-chicka wakka-chicka….

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Another celebrity caught up in the trap of Scientology. So sad.

      (refresh)

    • Captain MustSavage

      Dodo, do you know what publication is this from and from what year? The story is so clearly written. I had no idea, even after reading TUML, that pistols and knockout drops were amongst the confiscated materials. Great stuff. It would be great if you could attach the rest if you have it.

      Oh, and just love the cynical use of the dog collar, black vestments and cross.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        That has to be People magazine from back in the day. The layout and text is unmistakable.

  • Always Amazed

    the ED of the ABLE reminds me of a blonde Denise Richards barbie doll would look like.

    • Judith Sylvester

      A Denise Richards barbie doll. Not bad at all. I’ve been trying to figure out the best descriptor all day. She’s got the Miscavige hands-on-the-podium down pat. She reminds me of one of the mannequins in the 1973 scifi horror movie “Westworld” with Yul Brynner.

      • flyonthewall

        She’s pretty hot actually, in a brainwashed cultie stooge kind of way

        • Judith Sylvester

          Hah! Best thing I’ve read all day. I’m copping that expression.

          • flyonthewall

            I can’t let you do that, all my comments are trademark protected

            • Missionary Kid

              So sue her. Bwahahahaha!

            • flyonthewall

              Ok I will

              Judith, may I have your real name and address so I can sue you? MK says I should and I guess he’s right because he’s usually right about stuff and junk

            • Missionary Kid

              Two words: Fat Chance.

            • Judith Sylvester

              First of all Fly, that’s my real name. Second of all, I live in Bloomington Indiana, for real. And third of all, anyone who ends a sentence with “and junk” and no period, is well, in need of some serious suing.

            • Missionary Kid

              *LOUD LAUGHTER*

            • flyonthewall

              You’re going to counter-sue for childish/poor grammar? I’m impressed

            • Rasha

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Do I need to come in here and break this up?

              (refresh)

        • beauty for ashes

          I wonder if she’s really tall, or that’s a miscavige sized podium?

          • Judith Sylvester

            I hadn’t noticed that! You’re right, that has got to be Miscavige’s podium…

            • MaxSpaceman

              It’s on an Apple crate tho’ cuz she’s 5′ 7″ and towers a full 1/2 a foot over him

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Westworld and Narconon… where nothing can ever go worng!

    • Missionary Kid

      Denise looks far better, IMO.

  • nottrue
  • beauty for ashes

    Narconon is a fraudulent bait and switch. You can put a blonde up front, you can change the name to a fragrance of air freshener. But the shit is still killing people.
    Don’t forget to click the heart. Right under the # of comments. It’s gray but if you click on it , it will turn pink. Nobody deserves to ask for help and then have Scientology force fed to them. Its deadly fucked up.
    F5 for artz by Nat and Beauty.

    • Missionary Kid

      You can also click on it using the incognito or private windows on your computer.

    • Doc M

      So in other words, Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Hello, Scientology experts. I cannot confirm a link between the Genesis II “bleach healing” group Sebastian posted about earlier and Scientology. The leader Jim Bumble claims to be an ex-Scientologist, but we have not encountered a single Scientology person who recognizes his name. No one in the media seems to have bothered finding out if the Scientology connection actually exists. I’m wondering if the connection to Scientology was fabricated, and I can’t think why anyone would WANT to be connected to Scientology. I figure, if anyone knows the name JIM BUMBLE, you’re probably around here. Ever heard of him from back in your Scientology days?

    (I’m looking into broader convergence between dangerous New Age “healing” movements and Christian fundamentalism, but this was the starting point. And… It’s hard to find any tangible information.)

    http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/parents-are-giving-their-children-bleach-enemas-to-cure-them-of-autism-311

    • what’sup

      Well, if he has been a clam it’s would seem it’s only been since 05… There are no course completions prior to then.

      • Kristin Rawls

        He’s not now. He claims to be an ex, and makes it sound as if this is a Very Big Deal, like he was important within Scientology. I expect it’s either completely made up, or maybe he took a personality test one day and that’s it.

        • what’sup

          The only other reference I have is my faulty brain. I have been following Scientology for nearly 15 years and I cannot recall his name. This leads me to think he wasn’t a high ranking or important figure.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Rinder and Rathbun told Sebastian they didn’t recognize the name.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Also, are you saying he took courses some time after 2005? Can you tell me where this information would be?

        • Douglas D. Douglas
          • Kristin Rawls

            What is the significance of 2005? This list only goes up to 2005?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              That is the last date that this list has compiled, yes.

              Don’t find Jim Humble in the on-line database of Scientologists at their site.

              Won’t put a link here, but just type on-line (dot) scientology (dot) org if you want to “meet over 16,000 Scientologists on-line.” That’s about 7,984,000 short of their world-wide membership, and they all have identically dull and boring home pages, but hey, whaddaya gonna do?

            • Kristin Rawls

              But exes would no longer be listed there, right?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              This is a list of anyone who was ever mentioned in completions in Scientology publications, regardless of present affiliation.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Okay, so I think there’s no record of membership. So I need to know if anyone here ever knew him in the context of Scientology?

        • what’sup

          “Scientology completions” is a site where one can find out such things but it hasn’t been updated since 05 so any course completions after that are not public information.

    • Maybe he slipped in a name change?

      • Kristin Rawls

        No, not that anyone has found. He’s seems to have gone by thsi name since he was young. He apparently has a working class background in mining. I’m suspicious about his back story. He says he grew up in the Northeast, but has a strong Southern accent.

    • Kristin Rawls

      All right, so what’s the logic here? Why does some random huckster with no discernible connection to Scientology claim to have one? Scientology is deeply unpopular — how is that going to help sell product?

    • Frodis73

      IIRC, Sebastion has been trying to confirm this guy and a connection to sci for at least a year and he has not been able to find any doxs to connect him or any person that knows him. I have no idea why Jim would brag about being in Sci as their rep is horrible and has been for years. Next time you see Sebastion on here def ask him about it as he knows quite a bit about him and his whacky church.

      • Kristin Rawls

        I know. And no journalist has provided any evidence of it either. They just regurgitate what he says.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Meanwhile, it took me 5 minutes to find a direct connection to Bill Gothard in my network of contacts. Granted… I HAVE a large QF-related network, but… Gothard is the leader of the ATI Christian cult that the Duggars belong to. Talking to ex-fundies, who seem to know a lot more about it.

        There’s also a link with the legacy of Francis Schaeffer, who popularized Christian Reconstruction/Dominionism — and basically started the Christian Right in America.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Oh, I’ve been emailing Sebastian about this. That’s how I got up to speed on it.

  • Liberated

    Has anyone ever thought about the name “Miscavaige” and how wierd it is? I’ve never heard that name before ever. I find it very suspicious. I bet it’s ethnicity is Marcabian.

    • B4you

      LRH didn’t write about him, so he doesn’t exists. It must be a fringe on your imagination!

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    Does this remind anyone of the GO to OSA “conversion” ?

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    And just because I can… Henning Heidt, separated at birth?

    (refresh)

    • Rasha

      I know there’s something different between these two…. hold on… I’ll see it… it’s uhhhh….. Wait – the book! No….. no…. agh! Hold on a sec……..

    • aegerprimo
  • Hmm. If Narconon goes religious, what happens to the other schemes where they sell the Purif, like NY Detox, Utah Meth Cops or that crocked study on vets? They don’t bring in as much money as Narconon, but they get a lot of safe-pointing with it.

    My guess is that they just carry on as non-religious. (“They didn’t try any Scientology on me, even though I wouldn’t Scientology routines if they bit me.”)

  • Acherontia

    OFF TOPIC RANDOM THOUGHT, SORRY: So I was thinking about tattoos earlier (I have two biggish ones, so the usual “oh man why do I want more even though after 4 hours it feels like laser knives being blasted into my skin”) and thought I’d google scientology tattoos.

    There’s some, uh, some artistry out there. I’m actually kind of surprised they don’t have their own in-house tattoo artist. Surely someone out there has like a full backpiece of thetans, or L Ron’s face in a frame on their thigh, or like some quote done in fancy script across their chest, right?

    • Liberated

      I’m sure there’s some idiot in the world with a big “Make it go Right” plastered across their chest.

    • Sunny Sands

      I have been behind a female in line that had scn tattoos. Sorry I can’t remember now what they said.

    • Jamie DeWolf has a tattoo of the Scientology logo.

      • aegerprimo

        Notice the triangles are upside-down. Just sayin’….

    • Go for it.

      • Acherontia

        At least he’s got a consistent color scheme going on. Who is that?

  • Sunny Sands

    Looking online at the Clearwater business licenses for Suncoast Narconon, perhaps this facility has 30 beds (2nd red box). Inside the first red box says the state license will have the exact number of beds. Also, they need a grease trap inspection? LOL. The state license is not online yet, but they cut off at Oct. 20, so hopefully it will be listed later on.

    This application for business license also shows an outstanding fee due of $191. It makes me think they may not have all their paperwork done yet to accept patients. That’s a good thing :-).

    • aegerprimo

      Got any screen grabs or links?

      • Sunny Sands

        Try F5.

        Here’s a direct link. There was too much info on 1 page.

        My link only takes you to the home page, but here it is: https://epermit.myclearwater.com/citizenaccess/default.aspx

        Insert address 1390 Sunset Point Rd.

        • aegerprimo

          I know… refresh… F5.

      • Sunny Sands

        I put F5 in the first sentence now, thanks.

        • aegerprimo

          ..☺..

  • Nat-leficent

    Sort yesterday’s comments by OLDEST to vote for Howdycon 2016 location

    https://media.giphy.com/media/cCvWHbfVdn2bm/giphy.gif

    • Rasha

      (hoping my old stamping grounds wins!)

    • aegerprimo

      I could not find the Howdycon location comments. I searched by oldest and best. Can you please post a link to the comment? Thanx! β™₯

    • daisy

      Nat do you still have the link for the scientology signs. I am fairly sure its the day of or before the emmys but if you don’t I will go look. I have several on file, but I also have a lot of down time. thanx either way. That for me was the best day of the bunker, lots of good news, Tory helped someone, 3 emmys and guilt free put-downs.

      • Nat-leficent
        • daisy

          Thank you so much. I am thinking about leaving them around town like bible tracks. Library, town hall , pizza hut. lol thanks again,

  • Kim O’Brien

    Hey …i just booked this place in Cleveland …just in case cuz it looks like it is going to win . Has 2 bedrooms …wicked close to everything ..also 2 bikes come with it . Will be cheaper than a hotel ..if anyone wants to share , please let me know .

    https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/3057963?guests=2&s=5vZVWYay

    • Sweet

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’ll be there…with a sarong if need be.

    • Frodis73

      I assumed you were looking for like a big house that would accommodate a lot, or all the Bunker folks so everybody can stay together.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i tried …found a place that sleeps 6 but not sure how many people here at the blog are ok with sharing beds πŸ™ and the Republicans are grabbing stuff up for all the gay sex parties for the convention

        • flyonthewall

          is this going to turn into a Bunker orgy?

          • Kim O’Brien

            only if i can get back into really good shape . Hey …now i have a goal πŸ™‚

          • Miss Tia

            some of us are too young for that!!

          • And if not, why not?

            • daisy

              Some of us not that flexible without bone breaking.

        • Miss Tia

          kim, i spent hours on the phone with a lot of hotels….i have 2 different hotels that have 40+ rooms for us that weekend…..radisson $119/night 2 double beds and the hyatt $125 2 double beds….radisson gives us a parking discount and NO late check out fees…..

          if you want to take over accommodations for cleveland that’s fine, but i did find some hotels…..

        • Nothing like red hot repression.

          • Miss Tia

            they do have the horseshoe casino hotel fully booked for 2 months….but other hotels have rooms…..

      • Miss Tia

        well you know i found a group rate at the radisson right downtown close to everything……$119/night…..

      • Kim O’Brien

        Tia found great hotel rates …

      • Miss Tia

        well i don’t think ALL of the bunker folks would stay in a house….i would expect some people to stay elsehwere…there are other hotels….or what kim found, etc…..it would be nice if a lot of us stayed in the same place or close to the same place—radisson and hyatt (3 minutes apart on foot)….i’m staying at the radisson…..

        ETA: i also made sure the hotels were fully accessible for everyone, as i did all the locations on i listed…..

        • Frodis73

          I was surprised to see the 2 bedroom because that is just like a hotel. As you and I know, a big house in downtown will be impossible, if one big enough to accommodate everyone even exists here. I was kinda thinking back on a senior trip in hs-about 30 kids rented a kick ass place on the ocean. I guess the minute I heard Kim say house, that is the kind of thing that popped into my mind.
          I prefer keeping everybody as close together as possible because it will be easier, cheaper and will encourage more bonding. As you know, I dont have a dog in the fight. I just hope everybody comes to Cleveland.

          • Miss Tia

            i agree…..

          • Kim O’Brien

            i wish i knew people at The Real World ..we could get a sweet place for free that sleeps 50 and has swim up bars ..sarongs as far as the eye can see ..LOL . Tia did a ton of work and got some great deals …even with the convention . I think it is going to be fantastic

            • Miss Tia

              prices are increasing at the end of the month—due to the convention….i asked if that was legal and was told several times that due to ‘supply and demand’ that it was…..and obviously demand is going to be out of control because hotels in AKRON 35-40 minutes away are being booked for the convention!!

            • Frodis73

              Lol! There was a rumor they were going to come to Cleveland years and years ago. Glad it didnt happen. Yes, Tias doc is amazing, I was stunned when I read it.

            • Miss Tia

              i LIKE to research….if that wasn’t obvious! πŸ™‚ learned about group bookings and a few other things too…..so that was a good experience….

        • salin

          Hotel for me. Consistency, and some basic services/conveniences.

    • Kim O’Brien

      BAM !!

      • Chee Chalker

        It’s beautiful

      • I am serious that I’m in.

        • Kim O’Brien

          have one person here who is checking to see if he can go …he should know soon .
          kimob924@gmail.com

    • Chee Chalker

      Wait…..do we have set dates? I must have missed that

    • Miss Tia

      Um, I got a group rate at the Radisson downtown for $119 a night. Just so people don’t forget that. That’s right downtown. I looked up the addy for Kim’s and it’s not FAR from everything, but it’s about 10 minutes via RTA and some walking to get to the RTA rapid.

      I think the price would be comparable to the hotel, as they have a deposit and a cleaning fee and extra people fee. 2 people can share a room at the Radisson for no extra charge.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i just like the non hotel experience if i can get it …especially a place that i have never been πŸ™‚ I’ll prolly get there a day early ..bike ride around …go to the market . Kind of like my Eat, Pray , Love thang …LOL

        • Miss Tia

          i’m checking into the hotel on thursday—let edward pet sit for ME for a change!!! HAH!

          i can understand a non-hotel experience….but i personally like hotels…..rooms cleaned, room service….yeah….nice!! πŸ™‚ i know eat pray was some movie…..that’s all i know….oh and south park mocked it! πŸ™‚

          • Kim O’Brien

            it was a book first LOL . Have you started Lamb yet ?

            • Miss Tia

              no, not yet!! right now i have 2 ‘ops’ i have to finish and then start a bigger one i should have started oh last month….HAH!! so that’s occupying my time full time! i’ll start it in a few weeks and will of course give you a review!! πŸ™‚

        • Jimmy3

          I am hip. Just so you know.

    • Miss Tia

      make sure you lock that in before they either up the price and/or rebook it for an early arrival for the RNC who’s going to stay for a month (some are going to be there a month+)……

  • Mary Smith

    Interesting letter

    Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:00 am

    0 comments

    For twenty-five years, those of us at Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma have stood between drug addiction and its victims. We’ve welcomed people through our doors who had no hope and those who had failed at other rehabs. We understand addiction. We know that no one ever intends to become an addict and everyone deserves a chance at recovering their self-respect and their lives. It’s our joy to help a person step out of the shadows of drug addiction and back into the light of self-respect and dignity.If anyone wants to understand how the Narconon program works, we are happy to explain its steps. As a network of rehabs that stretches around the world, Narconon has 50 years of history behind our program so we’ve had the time to develop a program that really helps people. It’s not based on Twelve Step principles – that works for some people but not for everyone. What so many families like about our program is that we use no drugs of any kind during rehabilitation. (Of course, some people who require medications for health conditions are allowed to stay on their prescribed medications.)

    We love our home here in Eastern Oklahoma adjacent to the beautiful Arrowhead State Park. This quiet, serene setting and the beautiful views of Lake Eufaula support the healing process for our students. For the Holidays, we work overtime to send up some Fourth of July fireworks, put the turkey and fixings on the table at

    Thanksgiving, and string garlands around the tree at Christmas. We try to make the whole process of rehabilitation more enjoyable by taking our students on outings to the lake, to a bowling alley or movies and we have always been warmly welcomed on these outings by our neighbors.

    And we’re so glad we have been able to give back to our communities by participating in fundraisers, parades and holiday events of every type. During our years here in Canadian, we’ve offered hundreds of our beds to Oklahomans and others from this region who had no funds and nowhere else to go. We helped them rebuild their lives on a study-exchange basis so they could return to their families and spread the word that recovery is possible.

    We are proud of our twenty-five years in Oklahoma. We’re very proud of our unbroken record of certification by CARF – the Commission on Accreditation of Rehabilitation Facilities. And we’re proud to be certified by the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services for Non-Medical Detox and Halfway House services. The latter being the equivalent of the American Society Addiction Medicine (ASAM) 3.1 Level of Care which is also defined as Clinically Managed Low Intensity Residential Treatment.

    We’ve welcomed more than eleven thousand individuals through our doors since we arrived in Oklahoma. Sadly, not all those people chose to walk the whole road and they left us before their programs were complete. It happens at any drug rehab program. Our sadness is relieved when we see a family in the front row of one of our graduation ceremonies and see the tears in their eyes as they see a loved one healthy and whole again.

    Drug and alcohol addiction is a devastating curse for Oklahoma, Missouri, and every other state in this great nation. It’s our honor to put our shoulders to the wheel for this 24-hour a day, 7-day a week responsibility of breathing life back into the nearly-dead. To the very best of our ability, we will continue standing between drugs and alcohol and their intended victims. We’ll continue sending sons, daughters, mothers and fathers back to their homes. We appreciate every measure of support and love we’re received from communities in Oklahoma and surrounding states and we’ll do our best to protect that trust.

    Please feel free to contact me with any questions at 1-800-468-6933 or write to me at bobby@narcononarrowhead.org.

    Respectfully,

    Robert Newman ICDAC, CPS,CIP

    Narconon Arrowhead

  • Update from Leah..

    • Frodis73

      Ack! I *hate* Dr Oz, but it will be great exposure for the cause.

      • And it’s a nice wink to “Oz The Great and Powerful” – Miscavige/Hubbard.

      • I hear you. Hopefully it’ll be about the perils of cults and mind control and not some quacky-ass supplement or hand-waving woo treatment he’s hawking.

        • Frodis73

          He is such a joke isnt he? *giggle* He drives me nuts…years ago I walked in and mom was watching and he had a fricking psychic on…I was stunned after learning what else he sells.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Fuck Dr. Oz.

      • The male Oprah, but without the balls.

  • what’sup

    Flight from Perth to Cleveland…..$4k(au)……mmmmmm?

    • Ella Raitch

      GoFundMe?

      • what’sup

        I was thinking you sit on my shoulders and we’ll wear a long trench coat….like Dave and Tom do when they go ridin’ roller coasters

        • Rasha

          XD

        • Ella Raitch

          Don’t make me ROFL at work!

        • Ella Raitch

          If I was the size of DM or TC you could carry me on as cabin luggage and stow me in the overhead locker!

    • Someone should start Air Uber now. I get all the commissions.

      • what’sup

        I recently read a book in which there’s detailed instructions on how to stow away on a Cruise ship….I can’t remember what it’s called but.

        • madame duran

          Written by Paulette Cooper?

    • Frodis73

      Actually, I have never used any of the fund me programs…could we do this?? Set something up that would help any Bunker folks from Oz, UK, Africa, etc. make a trip to the states? That would be really cool if we could do something like that to help make it happen. So many people I want to meet…

      • what’sup

        It would be very cool Frodis. I’m actually seriously considering doing it anyway. I’ll probably get divorced mind you.

        • Frodis73

          Lol! Tia and I will adopt you!
          Once things are settled, we need to revisit this topic.

          • what’sup

            Yay….Green Card.

          • Miss Tia

            why are you including me in adopting people?!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’m sure some Bunker ladies would be there to comfort you.

          • what’sup

            ya think?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Cough…cough..Kim…cough…O’brien.

            • Kim O’Brien

              do NOT pimp me out ….jeez

              p.s i am a celibate whore apparently LOL

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh please….

            • daisy

              You better have left me off on purpose cause you are saving me for you. How is a lady going to get free drinks without some advertising.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Why so shy, Daisy?

            • daisy

              Because I am a f%?&kin lady, that’s why.

            • Nat-leficent

              Cough . . . Nat . . . cough . . . leficent πŸ˜‰

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              OK, you’re on the list.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i’m still first …just sayin

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Make up your mind woman.

      • Supper Powers

        I don’t recommend using a crowd funding platform. They take up to 10%. If we want to collect cash for scholarships and such, I can put together a method to do that.

        • Frodis73

          Ok, cool. After everything is settled we will have to make an announcement or something to see how many would want to get involved, etc. I have never used those things so I know nothing about them, but it would be great if the whole crowd could help get some of the overseas folks in on the party.

        • Miss Tia

          if you wanna put something together like that and HC is in cleveland let me know! you have my email…..if it’s in cleveland i’ll make a website to all the info is there for everyone and HC talk doesn’t fill the bunker and the same Qs aren’t asked all the time πŸ™‚

          • Supper Powers

            Ok. Give me some time and I’ll email you.

            • Miss Tia

              you know where to reach me! πŸ™‚

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Discount carrier?

    • Missionary Kid

      Here’s a suggestion: Have your own Howdycon in OZ.
      That also applies for other people who can’t make it.
      We could have virtual visits between the locations.

      • OceanMomma

        I suggested a lunch/dinner in our respective areas for those for us who can not get there yesterday. Unfortunately Cleveland is too far for me to be able to do physically. I know I have only been posting a short time but as I said before I’ve been here since VV days. I feel that I know many of the people here. Watched them come and go (some quite sadly) and would love the chance to meet.

        Anyone else from MA that can’t go want to meet up and raise a glass to Howdy? If we can arrange to Skype with everyone else it would be even better

        • Missionary Kid

          I suggest that some sort of message board be set up so that people in different parts of the world that can’t make it to howdycon can get together with others.

          • OceanMomma

            Perfect idea!

    • Nat-leficent

      πŸ™
      Wish you were a millionaire. It would be lovely to meet you.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i bought lotto tickets …have faith

        • Missionary Kid

          Oh, Lord, why don’t you buy what’sup tickets instead of a Mercedes Benz.

    • Miss Tia

      i know it’s not much, but if at least 20 people fly United, i can sign us up for united meetings and they said international flights could save up to 10%…

      • Kim O’Brien

        remind me to tell you to start your own event planing business….you are really , really good at this

        • Miss Tia

          thanks!

  • JAZZLOVER

    Can I still vote?

    • Frodis73

      For Howdy Con? If so yes. Go to yesterdays story and sort comments by Oldest and cast your vote for the city of your choice that Nat has listed.

      • salin

        Frodis, I have a story to tell you.

        A little context so it’s a little less random and crazy. Have recently been watching the tv show Numbers, so that must have penetrated the brain (looking for patterns). Last week, in a dreaming sleep, We are talking on-line, and realize that start making deductions about how close in locale we are – and we realize that we live 3 houses away from each other!

        When I woke up I thought both, geez – I spend too much time here that it penetrates my dreams, and – wow how cool that would be, to be able to walk down a couple of houses to have coffee and read the bunker together. Just thought I would share.

        • Frodis73

          Lmao! I love it. This is why we need a Howdy Con!!

    • salin

      Go to yesterday’s post, select oldest, and you can vote there.

    • JAZZLOVER

      Why Cleveland, the convention is there, why dont you do it it New York City/

      • salin

        Affordability, my friend. Where in NYC could we get rooms (that aren’t like Seaorg conditions) for just over $100 a night?

      • daisy

        It is the real Jazz, mentioned New York in less than 3 posts …just sayin

      • daisy

        No seriously post my song, I don’t know how .Please I forgot my manners

    • As long as you are not The Axeman of New Orleans who Killed Everyone but Jazz Lovers.

      • Supper Powers

        I don’t think that’s our Jazz Lover. Too new to be.

        • Frodis73

          I was wondering about that. He was upset and left and may have started a new account. Time will tell if it is our old Jazzlover or not.

          • Supper Powers

            Oh that’s too bad. I enjoyed him.

          • Miss Tia

            yes, i belive it’s them with a new account….

        • salin

          Good point. Have seen that happen before, both real and not real.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Oh, sneaky poster is sneaky. Good catch.

        • Frodis73

          Since this person is not answering anybodys concerns about ID, I think you are right.

          • salin

            I hope it is our JL. I miss him.

            • Liberated

              Salin, pray tell who is this JL? Fill me in. I’m so ignorant. I just found out a couple days ago who C. Howdy was and now everyone is talking about JL. I’m new to the bunker——I need to be informed.

            • salin

              jazzlover, who hasn’t been posting in the past couple of weeks – and a poster by JAZZLOVER posted earlier tonight assuming the familiarity and locale of the first jazzlover, who then posted to clarify that the all-caps person (who didn’t respond to posters, while jazzlover does respond) was not him. Mystery solved, but would certainly seem like a mystery to a newer reader. This said from a relatively newer reader myself. Hope that helps.

            • Liberated

              Thanks,

        • Miss Tia

          I believe it is, as the our JL, IIRC deleted their disqus.

          • salin

            Sometimes after such unpleasantness, someone just tests the waters. Like dabbing the toe in the tub water to make sure it isn’t scalding hot before stepping fully into the tub.

          • Supper Powers

            Oh goodie. Iike him.

            • Miss Tia

              well apparently it wasn’t!!! the nerve of this person!! the REAL JL just posted!!

      • salin
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      As long as you give us some of that flim flam sauce. And go take a time-out in the ball pit for the unexcused absence.

    • skiesareblue

      Hey, stranger! Welcome back. πŸ™‚

      • jazzlover

        That is NOT me πŸ™‚

        • daisy

          I was beginning to have second doubts when he wouldn’t play my song. Glad to have you back, also say something in New York ees.

          • jazzlover

            Hey, yo!

            • daisy

              Good enough. Love you, glad you are back. Could you post my song if you want to. I am furious at COS and only Freddy and composing smart-ass remarks on scientology signs will give me the possibility of sleep. I wish I had seen the anorexic dog this morning so I could go cut a tree down or something.

            • jazzlover

              Here’s Freddie’s “message of hate” to help get yer ya ya’s out:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqVpk0qxmfA

            • daisy

              SO SO glad your back, quit leaving.

            • jazzlover

              Keep the hounds at bay πŸ™‚

            • daisy

              I know sometimes we need a break. I don’t like it though. Never heard that song before. I loved the anger, it reminded me of Alanis Morisette ( no clue how to spell her name ) You Otta Know. Jagged little pill inspired me to run a very short marathon.

            • jazzlover

              It was Freddie’s message to a former manager who had been stealing money from Queen. It’s a deep cut from “Night at the Opera” (scaramoosh, scaramoosh). It could also serve as a message to Miscavige for those out and on the way out: “now you can kiss my ass goodbye” πŸ™‚

            • daisy

              The more I find out about him, the better I like him. So many anthems in one band.

            • jazzlover

              He’s an interesting guy. He was born in Zanzibar (Tanzania) and grew up there and in India until his mid-teens. He NEVER revealed his ethnicity publicly, but apparently he was a Parsi (Persian). His ending up in Great Britain makes sense since India was one of its colonies. Btw, his real name was Farrokh Bulsara. You can read more here:

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

        • salin

          But if whoever it is, brought you out of lurking – it served a purpose. So glad to see you!

          • jazzlover

            Thank you, salin! I am occasionally glad to be seen πŸ˜‰

            • salin

              Just know your presence and voice are appreciated.

            • jazzlover

              Thanks! I appreciate your saying so πŸ™‚

        • skiesareblue

          Nat is right! Your name did seem loud!

          • jazzlover

            I dunno, skies. There were a few a coupla weeks ago who thought I was pretty loud already without the caps πŸ˜‰

            • skiesareblue

              Well a lot of people here are happy to see you back.

            • jazzlover

              Oh, no prob! Just wanted to pop in and he/she gave me an opportunity to do so. Shhhhh! My guess is that it’s not just your ordinary ‘imposter’ πŸ™‚

            • skiesareblue

              The plot thickens.

            • jazzlover

              Just taking an educated guess. OSA seems to observe all. They might have noticed the dust up I was involved in, and BAM — a new JAZZLOVER is born. LOL

            • skiesareblue

              Looking closer, there are other clues that it was not you. The punctuation is wrong, there is a missing apostrophe and a strange slash at the end. (I’ve never seen you so careless.) A screen grab of the post is attached in case it disappears. f5

            • jazzlover

              Yes, the NYC reference is obviously a reference to me πŸ™‚ And you’re right — I’m usually pretty anal retentive about grammar, syntax and spelling. LOL. You can’t fake that πŸ˜‰

        • You have returned. Even more balance is restored to the Bunker.

          • jazzlover

            Thank you, Artoo45. That means a lot πŸ™‚

        • Nat-leficent

          The imposter is not OSA.

          • jazzlover

            Is there a way to know that which I am missing?

            • Nat-leficent

              No. Just years of observing Bunker trolls. OSA doesn’t take the time to really read the bunker and know what’s going on. They just attack and run off.

            • jazzlover

              I figured maybe it was someone ghosting me like the person who ghosted fly? Or was that an OSA troll? Sorry for my ignorance about all this stuff — I’d guess that it takes a long while to figure it out anyway.

            • Nat-leficent

              Yeah, it seems like someone COPYING the person ghosting fly as that first ghost troll was very careful to get every detail right.

              This new one is sloppy.

              Also, I can’t figure out why you.

            • jazzlover

              Are you saying that I’m not worthy, Nat? LOL. Seriously, if they fixated on me, it was probably due to that fact that people here were wondering why I’d left openly.

            • Nat-leficent

              I don’t know anything about any of that drama AND sorry but anyone who came after Howdy’s death and Going Clear is a newb to me XD

            • jazzlover

              Gotta let the new ones into your heart, Nat. Fresh perspective, and all that jazz πŸ˜‰

            • Nat-leficent

              Meh πŸ˜‰

            • jazzlover

              LOL. I sometimes get the impression that some of the longstanding members here would like us “newbies” to go away. I don’t think that is an “inclusiveness” that should be desired. I may be late to the game, and given how well hidden the cult’s abuses have been to the public should make that no surprise. But, I am in the game now. And I want the same things that you and others want. Even if the cult is growing in numbers only in its own mind, if the dissenters do not grow, change will be difficult to come by.

            • Nat-leficent

              no one wants newbs to go away. We want Tony to be famous and sucessful!

    • aquaclara

      Yes. Go to yesterday. Sort comments to “oldest” and pick your city of choice!

    • Nat-leficent

      Why is your name so loud?

      • daisy

        Really is it a hunch, or a skill, have you thought of being a P.I. on the side for extra money ? You are downright eerie. You have a better nose than that skinny or my fat beagle

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Where is the HowdyCon voting?

    • Frodis73

      Seriously? Go to YESTERDAYS comments and sort by OLDEST.

      • Ella Raitch

        LOL

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Thought today was the 9th, but I was wrong. Derp.

        Anyway, voted for Memphis. But it appears Cleveland won, so that’s workable too.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    So, how are we going to count down to HowdyCon? Are we going to light a torch and select Bunklings to carry it on a worldwide marathon?

  • Off topic win – a friend of mine got acceptance letter today from a police department, because of my recommendation. I helped many to get jobs before, but never to such magnitude. Bragging, but it really made my day.

    • Kim O’Brien

      you are good luck !

      • I hope so. It would add more meaning to my life.

        • Kim O’Brien

          just last night , i was having a long conversation about how we can effect other peoples lives without ever really knowing it …Did you ever see the movie ” Sliding Doors”?

          I mean ..for example ..Captain Howdy …!! We are all making an effort to go ..or at least be there in spirit ..to celebrate a man we never met . I just booked a freaking 2 bedroom apt . 10 minutes from downtown Cleveland …to meet up with a mix of people who may , or may not , have been in the cult/cherch/organization ..of Scientology . ..LOL

          you rock ..you did a good thing …!! πŸ™‚

          • StudentOfLife

            Kim are you planning on two people staying in each room? I would take the other room if that is your preference. I much prefer a house as I love to cook and could fix great omelettes for breakfast if we stay out late, lol, which I think will be the case. By the way, my first name is John. Some have figured that out. I have a famous movie director name. Still a bit shy about my OT friends being informed who am I. My email is on my profile.

    • daisy

      You are a good friend, congratulations to your friend. It is an important job.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Your friend will Never forget this. Good for you.

  • Missionary Kid

    Another chance to make comments about Leah’s book. Disqus is used. http://www.classicalite.com/articles/31149/20151110/leah-remini-tom-cruise-new-scientology.htm It came up on my Google News feed. Apparently, no clams there yet.

    • B4you

      Ha ha! They got Spam! first time i have seen that on DISQUS

    • salin

      After reading Leah’s book, I watched the referenced DWTS dance. While I am prone to chills, choking up, and tearing up, I rarely reflexively cry in response to watching something on tv or ont the computer. Watching it, with her commentary (at that time couched as ‘going through a big change in life’ but not being specific – now having just read her experience just prior, I cried. So powerful. So courageous and cathartic.

  • Davka

    I just told Mr. Davka there was going to be s Bunker convention in Cleveland. To my surprise, he said we should go! Not sure if that’s actually feasible, but apparently the Bunker’s force is strong – wow!

    • And I already secured my 2016 vacation for June. Ms. Dodo is informed too.

      • Miss Tia

        the radisson howdycon page can be set up in a day or 2!

    • Ella Raitch

      Start postulating Davka and it will happen

  • romanesco

    Not that it’s of any concern, but no way am I attending HowdyCon unless it’s held in K-K-K-K-K-K-😸🚹💩

    • Eclipse-girl

      Kansas?

      • salin

        I am curious, too.

      • Nat-leficent

        Kathmandu. Not sure how to take it so using ignore tech.

        • Eclipse-girl

          OOH, I would love to go there.

          Kansas, not so much

  • daytoncapri

    Well, I had recent conversation with “Elle”, but not “elle.” On Disqus, the Scientology spokesperson spelled her name as “elle” all in lower case. I have not seen her lately. More recently, another was commenting critically, and somewhat cluelessly on Scientology with the name of “Elle.” I queried her and then educated her a bit on her choice of her name, and she reacted with surprise, and a “thanks for the info” message.

    • SuppressedPerson

      My darn auto correct refuses to spell it with a lower case. I’d turn it off, but it can be helpful.

      I mean the lower case “e” version.

      Interesting.

      Of course, the name means nothing.

      Is suspect I encountered “her” on YouTube with a comment saying “take your meds”

      I told her to yell at a ashtray.

      • daytoncapri

        Ha Ha. “Elle” (the innocent, naive one) expressed dismay at being confused with the other, and you could see that she began to suddenly understand why some of the folks went after her for no obvious reason.

        • SuppressedPerson

          OMX, poor thing! I expect she changed it “toot sweet”.

          Hope she didn’t change it to “Water Horse” or whatever that other goofy one was.

  • Remember the good old days when they could hide behind a new name for years?

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    Registered October 26th:
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    • daytoncapri

      Bad luck for DM’s next batch

      This one is taken

      http://www.elevatorshoes.com/Index.asp

      • Elevator Rehab: Sometimes you get a lift, but mostly you get the shaft.

        • daisy

          arrows up x4700000000000000

        • daytoncapri

          As in “lift your wallet.”

    • salin

      Interesting and instructive. Great work unearthing.

  • salin

    The heart is at 173. Informative post today – shenanigans exposed, mysteries (who is this “ED person” quickly solved. One step closer to more broad exposure of the farce of Narconon.

    In the comment side of the Bunker some folks have found their bunker voice and joined the ongoing conversation. Meanwhile a community-determined get-together for the summer of 2016 is moving along in voting on locales (go to yesterday’s post and sort by oldest to read – and if you are planning to attend, vote.)

    Can we show a little more ‘love’? If you haven’t, click ‘Recommend’ just above the dialogue box to the left. Make the heart beat.

  • Avid Miskaridge

    The question still remains: Who is the rope-pulling blonde Scientology won’t name? Despite having a superlative title, this face has been appearing without a name in a variety of Scientology fanfare propaganda. This is peculiar even to Scientology standards but in some way it is probably closely guarded detrimental information. Mrs. Scientology–I’ve dubbed her, has been outed as “Shannon Wilson” aka “Shannon Walker” here. However, nothing in the archives of the internet that we looked at has yet to reveal any information about this elusive yet dangerously attractive protagonist–yes I’ve looked everywhere. How does she sleep at night we wonder? Awake and remorseful of not being named and included in the SUPER DUPER NEW AGE ERA of sauna-til-you-pass-out Narconon? Doubt it. If Scientology has taught me anything, it is that it is receiving its fair share of “Fair game” and “dead-agenting” and the sting is far worse for current Scientologists today because it is at the hands of the internet where there are no secrets, Mrs. Scientology, no secrets. #DoYouKnowHer

    • Ethan

      My next ex.

    • salin

      Provocative post, Avid Miskaridge. As Tony points out, this use of Title – but keeping the name of the person anonymous is odd, even for the Co$.

      Welcome to the commenting side of the Bunker.

      • Avid Miskaridge

        Thank you from Canada.

        • daisy

          Welcome from near London, Ont. They think we are polite, you showed them with that only 1 thank-you instead of our usual 20. Hope to see you comment again.

      • Missionary Kid

        Not really odd. DM wants all the credit himself. If he puts another person out there, it’s another person who might blow.

    • scottmercer

      Is her name really Mrs. (Bigamous) Miscavige?

  • Paul V. Tupointeau

    Meanwhile on Teegeeack
    Narconon’s failing so
    Fast that old C-O-B’s head starts to spin
    He’ll try a re-label,
    Give them to ABLE, and
    Hope for more victims to be suckered in
    πŸ˜‰

    • salin

      As I read ‘Tubular bells’ is called to mind (the theme song to the exorcist). How fitting.

      • daisy

        Every time I think I could not hate these people more. they reach around and tap me on the other shoulder. Feed your God damn dog criminals !!! Beagles are suppose to be chubby.

      • Paul V. Tupointeau
        • salin

          Haunting music. Does fit the franticness and mind-bending aspects of the Ron World, at least for those who join the Sea Org, or local orgs.

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        Make it go right! THE SPIRIT OF RON COMPELS YOU!! πŸ˜‰

  • TonyOrtega

    It’s fun watching the HowdyCon planning, but I for one made it pretty clear, when I first floated the idea, that it should be a summer event, not spring.

    • Kim O’Brien

      well..June 20th is the first day of summer …:)

    • salin

      While technically Spring, I would assume that practically, Mid June counts as summer?

      • MaxSpaceman

        no- not if you’re angling for a summer vacation from work, for example– it’s Spring, not summer.

        • salin

          Given most of my professional work has been around school calendars, and that colors my perception of ‘summer’ beyond the strict definition, is it common that employers make a distinction between June 18 and June 22 regarding ‘summer vacation’ time? Sincere question as more US employers have become more stringent and limiting on taking time off in recent years.

          • MaxSpaceman

            in any work other than education, summer is July and August. No one sees summer in June. Unless you’re in ed. You virtually never see people angling for a nice June vacation πŸ™‚

            • salin

              How messed up – as the many states have shifted the school year to less summer and more breaks across the year – to allow for more rigorous instruction (the intent), and less lost in the summer. In my state in the past 1-2 years most districts have started the school year in the first or second week of August.

              Sadly this condenses the available time to take days off down from 2 months to 5-6 weeks.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Odd what’s happened. Still, in the job world other than ed., July and August is for summer vacation time. And many, many jobs require their staff to amass their ‘days-off chits’ at a certain # of hrs/days per pay period. So they accumulate. then, that leads to lots of folks booking summer vacation time for August and into September, to take the Labor Day company holiday as part of their vacation.

            • OceanMomma

              This past summer was nearly 6 weeks for us. Used to be 7, nearly 8 if we didn’t get any snow. It is very sad. I don’t think I would mind so much if there were not so much teaching for the test but instead actual learning. Don’t get me wrong I love our schools teachers. I have spoken to some of them and frankly they miss “teaching to teach” so to speak. I think giving a standardized test in 1st grade is a bit much. (Yes they did this)

            • salin

              Agreed.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Summer was always June July and August. I believe June 21 is the Weather Man’s official start of summer, but meaningless to most. We were out of school all 3 months so that was “summer break”.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes, for school mates. After student life, in the working world, June is not ever considered summer πŸ™‚

      • OceanMomma

        Not in my house. Summer starts the day after school gets out. Unfortunately here that’s nearly the end of June. The 28th about if we use 5 snow days.

        • salin

          Thanks. Here that is generally the between the 1st and 2nd week of June. So ubiquitous, regionally that I hadn’t realized the distinction was literal. Thanks for the example.

          • OceanMomma

            No problem. My nephew is further south starts in August gets out in May. It is absolutely regional.

        • Liberated

          I hate the schedule the kids have now days. It should be the way it’s supposed to be, Begin the day before Labor Day, get out the day before Memorial Day.

      • Miss Tia

        that’s what i thought too….that’s summer to me…..the best time of summer!

    • TonyOrtega

      August is the deadest month, which is why it can be easiest to get a large group together.

      • salin

        Due to the stringent standards of the Common Core many schools in Indiana (and across the country) have gone to a “balanced” schedule – which means evening out breaks across the year at the expense of summer. Many schools now start school in the first week of August, take 1 -2 week breaks across the year, and end school mid June. For those with school-age kids, in many parts of the US, August is now ‘school year’ not vacation time.

        • Tony Ortega

          July seems good then.

          • Tony Ortega

            Actually, just do whatever you want. It’s good you all took over. Hope I can make it.

            • salin

              I didn’t read it from you, but others said you were interested in going to GenCon (in Indianapolis), if you do – let me offer to take treat you to a meal – there are some really interesting restaurants in a 6-10 block perimeter of the convention center.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You have to make it.. BOSTON wouldn’t be the same without you……

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Is August the month you can make it? If so, I think if this was known, parents could get babysitters for 2 2/1 days on a weekend even if school starts – and it’s a weekend!

        • OceanMomma

          Can I just say…..that is so wrong and sad. As a parent I would hate that. I love that time with my child. And as a grown up I have truly wonderful summer vacation memories and want my child to have them too.

          • salin

            As an educator, I hate it as well.

            • jazzlover

              Back in the old days, educators often took summer jobs. I remember being confused when I saw one of my elementary school teachers walking around my neighborhood delivering mail πŸ™‚

            • OceanMomma

              One of mine was a lifeguard at a local beach. We all behaved.

        • Nat-leficent

          ” . . . in many parts of the US, August is now ‘school year’ not vacation time.”
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            How about babysitters for a weekend? Spouses, Aunts, Uncles, Grammas and Grampas? It’s only for 2 1/2 days and kids won’t be in school on weekends.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Why a school? I hope we’re not getting together to learn anything.. I just wanna meet people and have fun.. This is all getting way too complicated.. We don’t need to micromanage this.. BOSTON is full of hotels.. Cheap ones and expensive ones.. Let everyone make their own plans.. We don’t have to find rooms for people.. We’re all capable adults.. And it’s full of bars.. Simplify!!!!

    • Nat-leficent

      I emailed you re: your schedule quite a while ago. I know it is most likely backlogged as you’ve been traveling but I have no other way to reach you.

      I was just trying to get the ball rolling.

    • Nat-leficent

      What does “summer” mean to you?

      • Tony Ortega

        There’s only one definition of summer.

        • Nat-leficent

          Sorry. I did not mean that as snark.

          I sincerely would like to know what time of the season works best with your schedule. I sent you a few emails, one of which asked about any conflicts or best times for you. I know your email is most likely clogged, but I had no other way to communicate with you.

          -Nat

  • Luke Martinelli

    Shannon Wilson on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Shannon-Wilson/
    I wasn’t sure if it was her but the post on July 18th gave it away when she shared a link Jenna Elfman posted about scientology

    Also, Is this her????
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Wilson

    • this facebook link does not work

      • Luke Martinelli
        • that works…. now the thing is, is that Shannon Wilson the same as the Shannon Wilson I posted above…. your Wikileaks link seems to be closer to the “other” Shannon Wilson… hmmm, this is strange…

          pic

          edit” “my Shannon” has a lot of high level clam friends… your’s doesn’t seem to have any… but many friends in Clearwater [duuh, she lives there]

          • Luke Martinelli

            That’s what i’m trying to work out. I did find a pic of Chip and shannon with Jenna Elfman, where she does look a lot like the lady in the profile photo of the fb page i linked to. But it is a crappy profile pic so it’s hard to be sure.

            • so far it looks like you got the right Shannon on Wiki [wife of Canadian billionaire Chip] and a namesake that look a little like her on facebook…. no clam mention on the Wiki page at all though]…. here’s the mention of Jenna, she was just sharing a scientology video

            • Luke Martinelli

              I still really think it’s hers, but I just can’t find anything definitive.

            • there are 2 Shannon Wilson who are both clams… the [facebook] one I posted appears to be the real deal and who’s apparently a member of Sea org

            • it now looks like it might be this Sharon Walker mentioned earlier in the comments… or not… or …

            • amazing co-incidence, lol

              … it now looks like the facebook Shannon that I had is the real one and was married to a clam called Chase Wilson and is now seperated… it also looks like she’s in the Sea Org now which kind of explains the halt of her facebook posts in 2013 [broken heart?]… anyway, do you have source for this pic as any celeb clam around a billionaire stinks

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              nope

          • Ella Raitch

            Sorry – to me, none of these ‘Shannon Wilson’ looks close to the Narconon Barbie ‘Denise Richards’ look alike from the top of today’s post

            • surprised you can’t see it… it seems pretty obvious to me

              pic

            • Ella Raitch

              THDNE had pix earlier which I can’t find now of a Shannon Walker(?)/Wilson(?) with four children who was writing on a Scientology blog.

            • … actually, the more I’m searching the more it looks like it might not be her… here are some more pics

            • I’d grabbed this on my ipad this morning… i think this is what you’re talking about

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yes, and the ladies here pointed out the age difference and how it didn’t look like her. It was early and Mr Hole pointed out that all blondes look alike to me. πŸ™‚

  • Jimmy3

    I heard this song this afternoon and I haven’t been able to get it out of my head. I can’t eat, I can’t sleep. It’s slowly destroying me. So I talked to a gypsy about it, and she said if I pass it on to someone else, I can go back to normal. Enjoy.

    http://youtu.be/pN60DR5GQpg

  • Luke posted a facebook link that doesn’t seem to work but I did check out the link on her Wiki page and came across this story in The daily Mail [of all places] that shows ‘Shannon Wilson with her husband Chip Wilson and there is a very strong resemblance [see pic]

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1078610368&fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all

    • her husband [one of Canada’s richest men, worth $3.5b in 2012] hired Red Hot Chili Peppers for his birthday party

      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/05/red-hot-chili-peppers-chip-wilson_n_3710368.html

      pics

      • Tony Ortega

        You really provide a stellar example for the Scientology Watching community.

        • FFS – I was just about to write that I deleted this comment… way to go Tony!

          • Tony Ortega

            Attack first, get the facts later, and then delete. And I’m the unreasonable one? Really?

    • Tony Ortega

      Fashion designer Shannon Wilson, married to Chip Wilson the Canadian billionaire, is not the Shannon Wilson who is a Sea Org member and ED of ABLE. And if you weren’t fucking blind you’d realize that.

      • hey, the above photo does show a strong resemblance IMO…. but since then I tracked down more pics and refuted this claim [thanks for the encouragement for tracking who she is BTW]

        • Tony Ortega

          That’s a terrible resemblance, it’s obviously not the same woman, and the reason I’m unhappy is that you went ahead and put that stupid statement on the guy’s video before you had any kind of confirmation — which is exactly how you always act, always half-cocked, insulting people and fulfilling every negative stereotype that gets thrown at the rest of us who are just trying to keep an eye on Scientology and monitor its controversies.

          • no, it’s a terrible resemblance ‘in your opinion’… and, as I said, I removed the comment

            • Graham

              ML. Do take the time to read what Tony has written and reflect on it.

            • you really didn’t need to make a comment!

            • romanesco

              Huh? It’s been said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and maybe that’s part of what’s going on with you. There’s also such a thing as aping somebody who’s successful at what they do and using their own website to attempt to popularize half-assed attempts at mimicry.

            • Why the fuck are you behaving like a troll?

            • romanesco

              Why the fuck are you behaving like somebody who can’t take legitimate criticism?

            • considering your previous shit-stirring in commentating here don’t kid yourself you’re “legitimate”

            • romanesco

              There ya go, lush. Attack, never defend!

              I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates your willingness to admit you can’t tell the difference between trolling/”shit-stirring” and honest disagreement.

            • when you make a cunty comment like

              “But there’s also such a thing as aping somebody who’s successful at what they do and using their own website to try to popularize half-assed attempts at mimicry.”

              you’re obviously looking for some kind of fight… well, seriously go fuck yourself… I’ve looked at your previous comments here and you’re a shit-stirrer who’s often been called out on it… so as I said before – go fuck yourself.

              this is my last reply to you on this matter

            • romanesco

              Fight? Nope. Just an honest opinion, and there’s plenty more where it came from.

  • anoni81b4u

    She looks like the Anti-no shirt scientologist lady from the Angry gay pope videos.

  • Tony Ortega

    Not that it matters, but this, sadly, is Shannon Wilson’s husband, Chase.

    • Jimmy3

      That will never not be shooped. Instant classic.

    • are you sure?

      pic

      • Tony Ortega

        No. Checking with my source. He might have sent me her brother or something.

        • Tony Ortega

          Was married to him. Apparently an ex now.

        • when I went through his friend list I lot of faces popped up that I remember seeing on Shannon’s [old] facebook page… maybe they were a couple/and or married and broke up … the fact that her last post was summer 2013 might be telling

          • Tony Ortega

            They were married.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Do you ever sleep?

    • vicariousthrill

      Eew. Ick.

  • Steve Bazemore

    If that’s true about narconon vista bay going legit (not merging) than I’m glad to hear it. That’s where I went and it’s at least comforting knowing they may not be Scientology affiliated anymore. Hopefully they go 100% legit and don’t merge with the Scientology whale as the source predicts. I’m still pissed my parents money went to Scientology, but if they are indeed legit, good for them.

  • Nice tweet from someone, with 10,6 mio followers πŸ™‚

    • B4you

      Good one!

  • …. found another Shannon Wilson on facebook….. if you squint your eyes….

    pic

    • Tom Reynolds

      I voted you down for being a creep-stalker, and a rabid wog.

      • ouch…. but voted yourself up [what a sad life he must lead, ed]

        pic

  • Tom Reynolds

    I for one am excited about the re-invigoration & re-branding of the Narconon family within IAS. Shame there are so many haters on this nasty little, hate-filled website, that are unable to discern between fact or fiction. Haters that have never even been inside a Narconon or EVEN NEAR ONE! Good grief you people need a purif and a vat of niacin.

    • Missionary Kid

      Great snark!

    • Bea

      Really!?! I love the attempt at trolling. It’s Thursday tomorrow – not today! By the way, please do read the rest of this blog with an open mind! You may find enlightenment without spending a penny.

      • Graham

        He’s not actually a Scientologist. Just a common-or-garden troll who’s learned enough Scientologese to do a bit of basic shit-stirring.

        • Bea

          Ahh – thanks! Just the hedgerow (rather that intergalactic) variety. Good to know.

        • what’sup

          He’s actually starting to grow on me…but we’ll wait and see if it’s malignant.

    • romanesco

    • B4you

      This is not about you!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. Too funny.. Unable to discern between fact and fiction.. love it..

    • vicariousthrill

      Why are you here

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Get off my front lawn and stop drunk posting, Tom.
      Oh your just stupendously stupid and not drunk?
      My bad then. Sorry but there is no cure for stupid.

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      LOL! πŸ˜€

    • Avid Miskaridge

      Stupidity is the unknowingness of consideration dear tom— Enron Schlubard said so. The Narconon re-invigoration as you put it, will be short-lived after the hundreds of pending lawsuits that will come. Do you even know where your reality stops and your fairy-tale begins? Didn’t think so #Trollfoot—Now take your Niacin like a good little #scientology recruit.

  • B4you

    Typical example how they mess with other people finances:
    http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2015/11/man_says_he_spent_15000_receiv.html

  • Dave Reams

    A more likely origin of the turd “Narconon” than “Narcotics” + “None” is that Scientology was trying to insinuate itself into the public consciousness of the legitimate and respected organizations Al-Anon and Narcotics Anonymous.

    The problem is that, despite having been an ancient Greek king, the only Greek Hubbard spoke were grunts elicited by Jack Parsons under zealous plooking. ‘Narc’ is from the Greek word ‘Narcoun’ meaning “to numb”. So far so good. But ‘onon’ is Greek for “ass” and thus “Narconon” literally means “numb ass”.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Shannon Walker: After seeing the FB picture of her ex husband, Chase Wilson, with comments, I understand so much. You get married in the SO for a lot of reasons which are bizarre in the real world. “Get a Room” is one of them. Mentally disturbed MAA (ethics dogs for staff) insisting you get married is another. Chase comes off as a 13 year old hormonal goofball no matter what his birth year. Anyone who’s been in the SO will probably be seeing the same thing I am and coming to the same conclusions.

    Maybe she is a “no name” because it’s known she won’t last in any vicious SO management position for long. I predict she won’t. I hope she blows before getting dumped in the Hole.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’ve noticed most of DM’s approved pictures of women in the SO, the ones released to both sci public and general public, reminds me of the Stepford Wives look.

    • Avid Miskaridge

      Any links to photos, FB pages?

  • B4you

    Could this be her? Kathy Dion

    • Avid Miskaridge

      Bahaha no. Has she been jet-setting from her humble home in central Ontario to all those rope-pulling events in California? Doubtful. Is this lady even a Scientologist?

  • Kind of reminds me of the Mission Network uprising in the 80’s.

  • Lighthouse

    Very interesting post. As always on this blog!

  • Snippy_X

    Someone probably posted this, but it looks like Shannon Wilson needs this job. Her husband had to step down for some insensitive remarks:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2506036/Lululemon-boss-apologizes-saying-fat-thighs-yoga-pants-through.html

  • Emily

    The woman Scientology won’t name is hot. And that’s coming from a very straight woman.

  • Jester1137

    You know, someone in Dr. Teeth and The Electric Mayhem is going to notice Janice isn’t around, and when they find out she’s running Narconon there will be a lot of questions to answer.

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