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A secret Scientology wake, a ‘Snow White’ link, & more odd twists emerge in the Cat White story

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[Photo posted by Joshua Shultz at his Instagram account]

 
The gathering featured a large poster of a black and white headshot of the 30-year-old woman whose face has become so familiar (pictured, above). Memorial brochures were printed up, but they were careful not to mention the location. Guests were asked to rsvp, but weren’t told where to go until the last minute.

As much secrecy as possible was maintained so that only a vetted guest list of people were invited to last night’s secret Scientology wake held for Cathriona White at the eccentric and legendary Zorthian Ranch in Altadena, California.

Jenny Burpee was there. And Tiber McCormick and his sister, Tama Leia Stewart. So was Cyril Helnwein and others in the social group of young Scientologists we told you about on Sunday, who had befriended Cathriona White after she emigrated from Ireland to California in 2009 and then encouraged her to begin taking Scientology courses at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre.

We sent an email to Burpee last night, asking her if Mark Burton attended the gathering. Burton, a Scientologist who was also part of the Hollywood clique, married Cat White on January 15, 2013 in Las Vegas, after, apparently, her five-month relationship with comedian Jim Carrey had initially ended. She and Carrey took up again this year, after she and Burton, 38, separated. But when Carrey reportedly broke up with her on September 24, Cathriona apparently took her own life and was discovered by Burpee on September 28.

 
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[Mark Damian Burton, camera guy]

 
As Cat’s husband, Burton by law was in control of her remains, but he reportedly released her to her family to be taken back to Ireland for burial. Jim Carrey met with Cathriona’s sister Lisa, who flew to Los Angeles, and he is expected to fly to Ireland for the ceremony.

But in the meantime, the Scientologists who had encouraged Cat to take her own journey on the “Bridge to Total Freedom” gathered to have their own secret ceremony last night. We asked Burpee if words by L. Ron Hubbard, who wrote ceremonies for Scientology funerals, were read aloud. We’ll let you know if she gets back to us.

Meanwhile, we’re hearing other odd things from our Los Angeles sources. For the past week, for example, private security men have kept watch at Cathriona’s house, and when they’ve been asked who they are or who they work for, they’ve refused to answer. Are they there at Carrey’s request? Scientology’s? We don’t know. One local reporter told us they found it odd that the coroner’s blue tape sealing the house was broken after three days, and not by police.

That also could have an innocent explanation, but we can say that we’ve never talked to so many spooked reporters — from around the world — who are calling us and saying they keep running into strange problems reporting this story.

In the meantime, we keep running into some strange things ourselves, things that the Underground Bunker community may understand the significance of better than just about anyone else.

Take Mark Burton’s family, for example. Mark Damian Burton’s mother is Paula Marie Burton, 61, and for many years she’s worked at David Morse and Associates (DMA), a Glendale, California insurance investigations firm. In a brochure put out by DMA in 2005, there’s a photo of Paula, and her last name reflects that she’d remarried after a divorce…

 
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We called DMA yesterday and were told that Paula was in a meeting. We left her a message and we hope she gets back to us. We want to ask her about DMA’s CEO, whom she married, and who is the stepfather to her son, Mark. Here’s her husband’s photo from the same 2005 brochure put out by the company…

 
DukeSnider

 
As you can see, DMA’s CEO, who happens to be Mark Damian Burton’s stepfather, is a man named Duke (Wake) Snider, 68, and he’s a very familiar face, at least to some longtime Scientologists.

Mike Rinder, Scientology’s former spokesman, told us that he had met Snider in Scientology, and positively identified him from this photograph. So did former longtime Scientologist Karen de la Carriere. They both told us that, without question, this Duke Snider is the same Duke Snider who was among the eleven Guardian’s Office Scientologists who were prosecuted and sent to prison as part of the notorious “Snow White Program” of the 1970s.

Maybe it means nothing, but it sure seems odd that the mysterious young man who married Cathriona White was not only a Scientologist who had grown up in the church, but one whose stepfather was one of Scientology’s most legendary spies, a man who had gone to prison for being part of Scientology’s yearslong conspiracy to infiltrate and burglarize federal agencies.

We couldn’t help feeling it was no accident yesterday that news organizations around the world were having so much trouble finding information about Burton, with some of them mistakenly chasing a 51-year old man with a similar name. (We were fortunate. Our source knew both Cathriona and Burton and was present when they met. We posted Burton’s photos knowing we had the right guy, but most news outlets are still not posting photos, and they’ve called us in frustration about it. The stepson of the Guardian’s Office spy is proving to be very slippery.)

We can’t help wondering if Cat White knew about the fascinating past of her husband’s family, or that her famous boyfriend, Jim Carrey, had been the subject of Scientology spying himself. Was she in over her head, both from what her Scientologist friends were getting her into, as well as the on-again, off-again nature of her relationship with Carrey? More than a week now after her death, it feels like we’re still far from getting any satisfactory answers about Cat White’s life and demise.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 7, 2015 at 07:00

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  • nottrue

    Oscar voters = PTS ..Kristie is a member of the Academy

  • Newiga

    They’re showing Going Clear in Finland as we speak… 😉 As I said two days ago, the documentary is shown as a part of this (online) show called Docventures. http://yle.fi/aihe/docventures

    People are tweeting and the hashtag for the show #docventures is trending here. A lot of dropped jaws and J&D.

    • madame duran

      Please post tweets as it’s happening (as a record here on the Bunker). I know people that speak Finnish.

      • Newiga

        I’ll try to pick a few good ones.. 😉

        • Newiga

          Hubbard’s teeth seem to get a lot of comments….

          • madame duran

            Horror translates well into any language. I’m not surprised by the comments AT ALL.

    • Newiga

      Our proprietor!

    • Newiga

      There’s aurora borealis activity happening at the same time and people are joking that they are caused by OTs protesting the documentary. xD

      • Newiga

        A comment about the COS’s TC girlfriend hunt. “In 2015 the church must a Tinder for Thetans? xD

        Kauhee vaiva kun etsivät Tompalle siippaa. Kai vuonna 2015 kirkolla on jo Thetan-Tinder? #docventures— Simo Koivisto-Rajala (@simo_kr) 7. lokakuuta 2015

    • Ella Raitch

      Awesome – thanks Newiga

  • J. Swift

    When he found Alex Jentzsch dead, Alexander’s father-in-law Jeff Evans of Sunland, CA called OSA before notifying the authorities. OSA swung into action and contacted its contract criminal defense attorney Vickie Podberseky of Santa Monica. To the best of my knowledge, the bedroom where Alexander died was swept before the LAPD arrived but a few things were missed. Podberseky and others ran traffic with the LAPD and LA Coroner Ed Winter to “safepoint” the Church.

    Ed Winter was genuinely helpful and compassionate to Karen and I. The two LAPD homicide detectives were tight-lipped but professional. IMO, someone from Downtown had talked to them — my guess is Gerald Chaleff, who is a lawyer and was then Special Assistant for Constitutional Policing of the LAPD (he retired in 2014 from that role.). The Church of Scientology has been a client of Chaleff’s. My calls to Chaleff’s office at that time were not returned. Chaleff did not respond because, apparently, he did not care to respond.

    A secret last-minute invitation only memorial for Alexander was held at CC Int. Heber attended. This is eerily similar to the secret last minute memorial for Cat White.

    For all of the Church of Scientology’s blather about spirituality and spiritual technology, it becomes completely unhinged and terrified of Death. Scientologists cannot handle Death.

    *****

    My estimate regarding in Cat White’s death:

    Look for the behind the scenes involvement of Vickie Podberseky and possibly Gerry Chaleff.

    Mark Burton was handled by OSA and Podberseky and was told exactly what to do and say with Cat’s family, the police, and the Coroner. Burton has the real power here as next of kin. I can’t emphasize this enough. Burton is the key figure.

    Church lawyers are behind the scenes and have already talked to LAPD and Ed Winter. They will stay on top of developments to ensure that the Church is cleared of any involvement.

    Jim Carrey has already been questioned by at least two LAPD homicide detectives. This is procedural. The LAPD wants to know how Cat White got pills belonging to Carrey. Carrey has most certainly retained counsel to guide him. When was the last time White was in Carrey’s home? Did she steal the pills? Did Carrey not notice that his medications had been taken? Jim Carrey is in the middle of a very bad place to be.

    More details are emerging…

    • B4you

      If she took the pill’s after she made the decision, she would have made the decision at his place?

      • J. Swift

        Look at the highly symbolic nature of Cat White’s suicide: Carrey breaks up with her and then she kills herself with his pills.

        • B4you

          Well that’s how it looks 🙂

          • J. Swift

            Jim Carrey lives in Brentwood and Cat committed suicide in Sherman Oaks. The pills had to get from point A to point B.

            • Either he kept a spare set at her place for when he was over, or she took them from his place before the break-up.

            • J. Swift

              The problem is Percocet, a controlled Schedule 2 narcotic. Percocet is another name for Oxycodone. Doctors don’t prescribe spare prescriptions of Oxy unless they want to risk their license and an investigation by the DEA. Of course, celebrity doctors use different rules. Just ask Dr. Conrad Murray who is served time for killing Michael Jackson with propofol.

            • Miss Tia

              I’ve been RX’d Percocet for surgery recovery before. I have never finished them, except after major surgery when my dr. said i HAD too because they helped my body heal. I have kept the leftovers in case I wrenched my back, etc. I know that’s not ‘right’; I think most people do that though. I wasn’t RX’d huge amounts either—except when I had major surgery. He could have had surgery or a painful injury and was prescribed a totally legit amount, but stopped taking them after a short bit because he didn’t lot feeling groggy, the pain became tolerable, he had a reaction, etc……just wanted to toss this out there…..

              but yes, there are cases, unfortunately, like conrad murray and even anna nicole smith where doctors will prescribe whatever the patient wants……

            • Robert Eckert

              I found a bottle of Vicodin from surgery I had back in 2010. I don’t think I took more than one or two (I’d heard scary things about that drug) and I’d forgotten that bottle even existed.

            • Miss Tia

              i had vicodin before, did nothing for me, so i always tell the dr. if i need a pain med (and i abhor pain meds) that vicodin does nada for me…..but yeah, see, you had it and you still had the bottle….it’s easy and i think common to do…..i have vistaril here, i never took any and i still have it….i didn’t take any cuz i would have had to give up benadryl and that ain’t happening…..didn’t know that til i went to pick up the RX…..

            • MarcabExpat

              If he had a prescription and ever got a refill,though, he might still have the empty bottle, and if he wanted to keep them in two places he might well divide it between them. Since you’re not supposed to keep pills like that except in their prescription bottle. Carrying them around is a pain. I have a scrip for muscle relaxants and it would be nice to put a few days worth of any prescriptions I have into a well-labelled pill case to save space in my purse, but I always get nervous that I’ll get in a wreck and they’ll find “loose pills.” Because even if it’s your own prescription, you’re not allowed to move it into another bottle.

              I’m not actually disagreeing with you — just idly thinking up all the possibilities for how they got there.

            • ze moo

              Or did Cat’s ‘friends’ place the bottles and pills there?? Probably not, the autopsy will show what substances were in Cat. Any discrepancy and some one(s) is going to be talking to a grand jury.

        • B4you

          Why would they hold hands in the moonlight if he broke up with her? The paparazzi has that on display?

          • J. Swift

            That’s a question only Jim Carrey can answer.

        • MarcabExpat

          Yeah, it’s probably that, but people with suicidal tendencies do also make contingency plans. She might have stolen them a while prior to all this, as a ‘safety.’ I’ve known not one but two people who did that. And she probably didn’t have any other way to get a stash like that, than to nab them from him.

          But I think you’re right.

    • villagedianne

      Thanks, J. Swift. Cathriona’s Scientology friends who found her body reported called the police right away. Do you think they were reprimanded or sent to Ethics for not calling COS/OSA first?

      • B4you

        Why do you think they didn’t?

        • villagedianne

          Oops, I said they reported called the police right away. Edited for clarity, now changed to reportedly, which is what I meant to type.

      • J. Swift

        I don’t believe they called LAPD first. IMO, their story doesn’t add up. IMO, they called OSA first.

        Look, this is a nightmarish situation: Jim Carrey’s girlfriend is on course at CC Int and a Scientologist suddenly finds her dead in her house. Any Scientologist is going to call OSA. They know they have to safepoint the Church. The LAPD can get the cellphone logs easily enough with a subpoena.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Unfortunately I don’t know that they are interested. Suicide is not an unusual thing for LAPD to deal with. Do you think they will dwell on this one and follow through? Although some oddities like C of S lawyers if they showed up might tip them off. Then someone has to be willing to open the can of worms.

          • J. Swift

            Cosmo, if the LAPD, or another agency, comes to believe there might be obstruction of justice or lies being told then the investigation changes. Just saying this might not be an open and shut case.

            When it comes to the Church of Scientology things are seldom as they appear to be.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Yup. Scientology may have taken what normally might have been an open a shut case in normal LAPD procedure and turned it into their own nightmare Seems like there is always something to hide. Death is one.

            • Lady Squash

              But I have the impression that SCN has the LAPD in their back pocket. If so, no investigation.

    • B4you

      I really think someone in Ireland should look into her body one more time and not take those LAPD/coroner and what you from that burger-franchise, for face value! My God!

      • J. Swift

        The blood work is done using the same equipment in the US and Europe. If Cat White overdosed, the blood work will show it here or in Ireland. The real question is what drove Cat White to kill herself.

        The LA Coroner has an excellent scientific staff. If there is any weak link, it is in the LAPD.

        • B4you

          Ok! so some can be trusted 🙂 Not used to that. The suicide notes has to leak somehow i hope!

          • Lady Squash

            Yeah, I am curious about suicide notes. On the other hand, I feel a kind of respect for the dead–unless of course she mentions SCN.

    • This is going to be an interesting one to watch unfold.

      • J. Swift

        TMZ is reporting Cat White had a prior suicide attempt in 2012. However, TMZ is, imo, an OSA Annex for news. TMZ is too chummy with the Church just like LAPD.

        IMO, Scientology-friendly LAPD is feeding TMZ details. OSA will use TMZ to posthumously dead agent Cat White.

        Anything to take attention of what Scientology did to drive Cat White to insanity in 29 days of the Purif + her Cat White’s involvement in the Cult since 2009.

        • flyonthewall

          how come they’d release those Miscavige PI tapes if they’re so chummy with CoS? I guess there is a limit to that friendship

          • TonyOrtega

            That one — the Wisconsin tapes — was dropped in their laps and they really couldn’t avoid that story. It was a rare exception for TMZ, which runs interference for Scientology whenever it can. Remember when the story of Leah defecting hit the news in 2013? It took TMZ months even to allude to it.

            • flyonthewall

              Wow, I did not know that about how they handled Leah

            • Joe

              Doesn’t TMZ have some sort of silent quid pro quo going on with Scientology where they ignore/softball controversial stories in exchange for tip-offs of where famous Scientology celebrities will be?

            • Robert Eckert

              It certainly seems like it.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Good to hear your comments Jeffery.

          What few people understand if they have not actually been Scientologists is that having a suicide attempt in the recent past (and 2012 would qualify) makes you absolutely unqualified for getting auditing. The SRD and objectives are auditing. They won’t let you on auditing lines.

          It’s firm policy. Suicide attempt = no auditing. The only thing you can do is training. Even persistent thoughts of suicide make you a security risk.

          This is so completely taboo that I really suspect that the suicide attempt story is fabricated in order to distance Scientology and establish a “history” that explains what happened.

          Otherwise if it is true, what was her such special status that she was allowed on the purif and the SRD?

          These things don’t add up.

          • Lady Squash

            True, that. Suicide attempt=no auditing.

          • Sookie Sookie

            The original stories that mentioned the prior suicide attempt noted that the investigating officers were told about it by her “friends” (scientologists), so that definitely tracks with what you’re saying — that they made it up to make her look unstable and deflect any attention from scientology itself.

            Now it’s just being repeated as a fact in other, newer stories. Same thing with the mean phone call from her biological mom; from what I remember, that was told to the officers by her sci peers as well.

        • John Nunez

          Re: suicide attempt = no auditing, that is actually only true for Flag and the ship. In that case it is viewed as a security risk. Jeffery’s opinion that Scientology dropped the details on the suicide attempt and such as a distraction from their involvement is very likely, however.

    • Missionary Kid

      Death terrifies $cientology because it represents the end of income from someone,the loss of another minion to push around, and the possibility that it can be seen as a failure of the tech or other bad PR.

      Thanks for your efforts, Jeffery.

      • J. Swift

        MK, I think it is more profound than loss of income: I think most Scientologists genuinely fear death as it is a massive loss of control and an acknowledgement that they have no final power over the MEST Universe.

        Death puts the lie to the major premise Scientology’s OT levels.

        • Missionary Kid

          Excellent points. If they really had any power over MEST, we’d see a bunch of OTs over 100 years old today. Of course, $cientology will claim the reason OTs havr died is that “all have sinned” against $cientology: they pulled it in, or that they are coming back..

          • One Human

            Or they moved on to Target Two with Ron.

        • Perhaps it is because they fear death that they bought into the ‘immortal’ thetan’ pitch in the first place.

          If this is so, Scientology’s promises of reincarnation and ultimate immortality will tend to become their only defence against that fear. Consequently, events that show just how ineffective Scientology really is are deeply disturbing to them, and must be rationalised away.

          This may be the motivation between the extraordinarily weak excuses that Scientologists offer for Scientology’s failures.

          • J. Swift

            In the Eastern enlightenment schools one enters directly into the void and the emptiness. Conversely, in the Church of Scientology you run away from the void and emptiness by staying busy and “problemized” with how to finance your Bridge and stay away from ethics and entheta. The objects of your attention are MEST. Look at the SFV Org and every other Org: It is all fundraising for buildings. You hope someday you will go exterior.

            *****
            Beth Orton’s Galaxy of Emptiness:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPnnUtWmOy8

            • Yes. Like many ideologies (both religious and political) the practice of Scientology turns out to be the diametric opposite of the theory.

            • J. Swift

              Once_Born, an astute observation. That is the Church if Scientology in a nutshell: Promises to make you a god but in reality it’s all mortal paranoia and greed wearing a straight jacket made from an e-meter.

            • LastWaltzforDave

              What a summary of the cult! Thank you J. Swift.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Ha, I was about to say something like that. Now no need. Thanks J.

        • aquaclara

          And when death brings police along with the coroners, Scientology gets very uncomfortable. Even after all their practice, they are still lousy at hiding deaths they may well have had a hand in, in some manner or another.

          I wish Cathriona’s family and Jim Carrey well in this tough time.

        • Pepper

          I agree with you J. Swift about the fear of death. I have also seen a few OTVIII scns terrified of getting cancer, or ill. They go from one weird, fad diet to another and take tons of supplements. One guy I know had elevated liver enzymes from the sixty or so pills he was taking each day (supplements). Then he couldn’t understand why that happened either. Having control over his body and all.

      • allioops

        the two Scientologists that I know all too well, the “wasband” and his Mommy fear death to the extreme.
        when I was first married, a college roommate of the “wasband” who knew the mother in law longer than I did, said: “her main goal in life is to never die.” So far she has reached close to that goal……said

      • Lady Squash

        When Laura Hippie, a Scientologist and acting teacher in Los Angeles with close ties to Celebrity Center (CC), committed suicide, the scene was very similar. There was a cover-up, hushed up press, sweeping her apartment, etc. With the added insult that CC did not even want to acknowledge that Hippie was dead; they did not want to do any kind of ceremony. A group of us who had been friends of Hippie pressured CC to hold some kind of service. The service was a joke. It was as I recall it was mainly people telling uptone stories about her life. No grief was shown. No wondering why a SCN would take their own life. No wondering about how the Tech could have failed her. Just more of the same idiotic chatter about what course are you on and your latest win. I noticed that Cat’s memorial service is NOT at the Church. If it’s anything like Laura’s it will feel more like a party. Here’s a bit of Hubbard’s funeral service-I kid you not:

        Goodbye, our dear
        Goodbye.
        We’ll miss you, you know.

        Let the body now
        Draw away
        To be consumed to ashes
        And to dust
        In earthly and in cleanly fire
        To be no more, no more.
        And that is done.

        Come friends,
        She is all right
        And she is gone.
        We have our work
        To do. And she has hers.
        She will be welcome there.

        To Man! L. Ron Hubbard

        • QbirdSP

          Ah Lady, you lost a friend to suicide. Here is heartfelt grief. Raw.
          She was worth so much more than these… insipid Ron-words.
          You remember her.
          (sitting close to you wanting to hold your hand…)

          • Lady Squash

            Thank you Qbird. Tears, first time. You are very kind. Thank you.

            • QbirdSP

              Sweet Lady Squash. Since reading this blog, I’ve come to question what it is I myself believe in & why. I don’t know… it is hard to articulate. But one thing I do know that is and has been entirely true for me: Friendship is Sacred. This is what orphans believe because this is all we have — and it is good. It is enough. It feels right. It’s okay. Friendship is what makes life worth living (to me).

              People have befriended me throughout my life, for no particular reason other than they chose to love me… and I am so very grateful… often astounded, humbled really. What blessings!

              I believe friendships are essential & key to loving life.

              Laura was your friend; she was important to you. I suspect she came into your life at exactly the right moment & for exactly the right reasons. You affected each other thru Love & caring about each other.

              I must say that suicide (self determined destruction) is very difficult for me to reason with — when someone ends their living life, they end their own pains, but it seems that this pain gets transferred to those still left living. Always wondering, why? Hard, brutal reality.

              You got to know her & love her & by god, you get to grieve over her death. Truth: Her death can never take away how she affected you in life. You will always remember her as your friend – someone worth loving, for no exact reason other than you chose to & she returned that favor. It was / is a fine, fine & lovely thing. You saw something amazing in her. That was real. She will always be in your heart & mind. That’s where our friends live anyway, inside us.

              Holding your hand now very gently & hugging you as well.
              Shame on Hubbard & his organization that dismissed this person & did not allow for you and her other friends to grieve for the loss.
              Good on you that you & others insisted on a memorial (however insipid Scn. made it).
              This indicates that your heart is BIG & GOOD & honest & true.

            • Lady Squash

              Thank you Qbird. I did see something amazing in Laura. Vitality, a strong spirit and positiveness. I admired and respected her greatly. I wish we had been closer but in SCN I was never truly close to anyone and I didn’t even realize it. So much of everything was pretense. We were all pretending to be happy and we were all busy convincing ourselves that we were “winning”.
              Laura’s death momentarily pierced that veil and I feel now that the superficiality of the service was designed to prevent us from thinking too deeply about what had happened.
              It’s more that I ached for a closeness that could have been but under the circumstances impossible.
              You are a very kind and empathetic person. And I appreciate you.

            • QbirdSP

              oh likewise friend Lady – thank you for talking to me. That is what I really like about the bunker — listening to people talk to each other, talking to you & the others, figuring things out — makes me think deeply about many, many things. I’ll be seeing you around ~ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/70f475ba57b6d8c85a652ddd2b36d28b2cf4a074b384c962447b99c1ffaee768.jpg

        • Missionary Kid

          Wow! Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt!
          That must have been one weird occasion. Denial of feelings, thoughts, actions, and reality: the very heart of LRH’s teachings.

    • Bernie

      More details, like identifying the woman and the two men who severed the coroner’s tape and removed things from Cat’s house and took away her Lexus.

    • Anonymous

      Speculation Alert – (The below is pure speculation.)

      I have not seen this anywhere else, but here is a possible scenario: Much written space has been devoted to the activity at the house where Cat was found dead. Many have commented that the church probably removed things from the house that might seem messy to outsiders. But few have commented on another vector of similar activity that the church frequently engages upon – the placement of things at crime scenes (or other areas where the police / reporters congregate) where Scientologists are involved in matters likely to generate negative publicity.

      It struck a discordant chord when it was reported quickly that bottles of pills that had been prescribed for Jim Carrey were found in the house where Cat had (apparently) committed suicide by intentional drug overdose.

      Hmmm…if you were OSA and wanted to simultaneously spin a story about how psych drugs and Jim Carry were somehow the bad actors (no pun intended) in the death of Cat White, what would be more convincing than ensuring that some drugs in bottles with a Jim Carrey prescription were found at the scene? Look here…Scientology had nothing to do with this…the “tech” did not fail and neither did the church…Cat died because her SP ex-boyfriend allowed her access to dangerous psych drugs.

      Again, purely speculative, but not out of line in the context of how OSA – spawn of the Guardian’s Office – routinely operates.

      The Jim Carrey celebrity angle of this story has become the central them in most general reporting…that is a perfect deflection away from the more curious aspect of Cat’s involvement with Scientology and yet another tragic death where the “solutions” of Scientology somehow just did not work (again.)

    • Pepper

      What about the suicide of Wendy Ettricks, a longtime LA public Scientologist and FSM? That was hush-hush too. Her husband and other public friends who ditched her because of her “disaffection” went around and told everyone that Wendy died in her sleep and that this was because she was a life long, chain smoker. Wendy went to a motel in Eagle Rock/Glendale area and overdosed on pills.

  • B4you

    Scientologists Really Don’t Want Going Clear to Win an Oscar for Some Reason
    http://jezebel.com/scientologists-really-dont-want-going-clear-to-win-an-o-1735169650

    • Acherontia

      I laugh every time I see that banner image

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology, because it’s clueless, is doing more for Gibney’s Oscar chances than anyone else. As I’ve said before, they underestimate the hostility that Hollywood has for them.

      I hope Gibney thanks Davy Mismanage when he gets his Oscar.

      • B4you

        That would be a monolit between DM’s ribs! And there would be babeque my friend 🙂

      • Allie

        And let it be handed to him by Tiny Tommy or Jorm Revolta.
        And then the camera pans to Krustie in the audience – fuming with nasty face.

        • Missionary Kid

          It would be a dream of mine, but I’m sure that the camera operators and the director are told to keep shooting happy faces.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Fuming with a nasty face… how can they tell?

    • outraged

      Very apt and funny comments on Jezebel.
      Here is a snippet:

      • salin

        Good run of comments.

    • Juicer77

      Aha! Hence the tweet by Mr. Gibney explaining to everyone that Mr. Taglieri is working for the Co$. I’m slow but I get there eventually!

  • Jimmy3

    I am proud to announce a brand new campaign to ensure Kirstie Allie does not win an Oscar. I will be working tirefully on this project. Thank you for your support.

    • Sherbet

      There are Oscars for Jenny Craig commercials?

      • Observer

        Zing!

    • Observer

      With my Sooper Wog Prognostication Powers, I predict you will have 100% success.

      • villagedianne

        You are so psychic, Observer. Can I send you money?

    • flyonthewall

      If you need any minifigs or Lego for this let me know

      • Jimmy3

        Thanks, bro. But I don’t think so. Here is my step-by-step strategy plan so far:

        1. Take nap
        2.

        • Lucille Austero

          3. Profit

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Yesssssssssss!

        • flyonthewall

          That’s good, keep your options open and remain well rested. She won’t know what hit her

    • Lucille Austero

      James, do you require interns?

      • Jimmy3

        Sure! Here are your assignments.

        1. Make my bed so I can take nap.
        2. Whatever else you feel like doing.

        • Sherbet

          That’s probably what Kirstie Alley’s intern would do.

          • Miss Tia

            you left out twinkie runs….

          • villagedianne

            “That’s probably what Kirstie Alley’s intern would do.”

            After feeding the lemurs.

            • Missionary Kid

              And picking up all the lemur shit.

        • Lucille Austero

          Is it okay if I bring some homeys? f5
          ETA: they are totally trained to assist. I mean help out.

    • Missionary Kid

      Boy! Talk about lazy. That’s a sure thing.

  • QbirdSP

    Hearts – Love for the truth ~ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c222f97154c424ec3ee7dc0e1e9f51029444a89a389f10b8ef57a1df9bb2c03f.png

    Have a great day today people. For myself, I am grateful for another day of this life.
    Cheers to all.

    • Sherbet

      Lovely, bird!

  • Observer

    Speaking of John Mappin, he is in a froth about Donald Trump’s run for president. Anyone wanna bet he’s been sending Trump Scientology CDs?

    • Jimmy3

      Isn’t that guy British? wtf

      • Observer

        Thetans have no nationality.

        I really want him to invite Trump to Camelot Castle Hotel to have his portrait done by The World’s Greatest Living Abstract Realist. I then want Ted to glue fake butterflies all over him and sprinkle him with glitter.

        • B4you

          Take pictures or it didn’t happen 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          Good call. Because that thing on his head would definitely eat real butterflies.

        • villagedianne

          “I then want Ted to glue fake butterflies all over him and sprinkle him with glitter.”

          There is hardly anything they could do to Trump that would be more ridiculous than his normal appearance.

        • Acherontia

          Beautiful!

          I made some of the sparkles from his skin tone.

          • salin

            Run Toto Run!

          • Observer

            So theta!

        • salin

          Dang it Obs – second time you’ve brought me to laughter-tears via imagery of the absurdity ala the Cam Castle Cray Cray Crew.

        • Allie

          Laugh crying here & damn, afternoon tea on the keyboard.
          omg Trump with a topknot and the glitter. omg glitter ha ha ha

        • Gerard Plourde

          Maybe if he’s lucky they’ll let him see the Light Box.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Has anyone told him he doesn’t get a vote yet? 🙂

    • Sherbet

      He’s probably working on a butterfly and glitter adorned portrait of Trump even as we speak.

      • Observer

        Ooo, GMTA! See my response to Jimmy.

        • Sherbet

          Just saw it and am laughing, Obs.

    • Acherontia

      My personal trainer and I like to talk about scientology. Trump was on the news, and she asked “….is he one of them?”

      Imagine D:

      • in all serious you should have confirmed it but that he’s one of the secret “special ones” who aren’t allowed to make it public

        …. this is a good rumour to put out!

      • SNAFU

        Given that if Trump was a Scientologist he’d be even more clueless, that is incredibly hard to imagine.

    • Lucille Austero

      So weird. When I look at John Mappin’s twitter account, it’s all in a weird language, like middle-eastern or something. Wonder if he’s the victim of a little prank?

      • Observer

        His wife is Khazakh, IIRC. She uses the account under his name and tweets in Russian. This is the one he uses: https://twitter.com/johnmappin

        • Graham

          Is Mappin American? If not, why is his twitter account full of praise for Trump? In British English ‘trump’ is children’s slang for flatulence, so a UK account with loads of stuff about Trump, whilst not quite LOL, is definitely titter-worthy.

          • Observer

            1. He’s British
            2. No idea. Maybe he has visions of enclamming Trump.
            3. *snicker*

          • salin

            Oh how fitting! lol hot air, and a bit stinky until it dissipates – and a word and phenom that sends children into fits of laughter.

        • Lucille Austero

          Thank you!

    • Lucille Austero
      • salin

        Both hilarious and hideous simultaneously.

      • B4you

        No wonder he is smiling!

      • …. and this one…

      • Stephanie Loving

        Austero is AWESOME. Period.

        • Jimmy3

          She’s #2 in my book.

    • phoebequeen

      Oh my.

    • beauty for ashes

      While flipping channels, I landed on a segment of Dr Drew, who with consternation looks out to his audience and just says, ” Can somebody please explain to me what the draw is for Trump, I just don’t get it?” And while people got up and said some things about Trump, his look never changed. He stayed just as puzzled. I kinda feel like that. No matter how many times it is explained, I just don’t get it.

  • Always Amazed

    Shout out to the proprietor…the last two days have been amazing. Thank you for what you do.

    Shout out to you working stiffs the last couple days…has anyone been fired for living at the Bunker while you pretended to work? I cannot stay away.

    • StudentOfLife

      Guilty! (Beginning scene from Superman rings through my head) My partner in my energy consulting business keeps asking me where is my normal production, lol. Good thing I have to coach the girls high school team, provides me some cover, lol. If Jim Carrey contacts our proprietor, Miscavige is likely to shit a thousand turds the size of mustard seeds as his ass will be so tight from knowing that orange jump suit grows ever closer to being part of his permanent wardrobe. Tick Tock Davey.

      • beauty for ashes

        LOL, that was some very descriptive imagery.

        • StudentOfLife

          My avatar, until I decide to go fully public is representative of my initial anger when I stumbled upon the Bunker and met Nora Crest who both opened my eyes that Miscavige is a real creep. I so badly want to send cases of lipstick (enough for one tube per prisoner) as a gift to wherever Miscavige is incarcerated because four foot thirteen will no doubt be the fav “bitch” in prison, especially once the inmates discover how he treats children and breaks up families. I hope to be declared soon and then I’ll have the courage of Mark Foster and use my face and name though I did post my pic on here with Paulette Cooper at the first book signing.

          • beauty for ashes

            Wow, that my friend is deep. Be patient with yourself, and don’t do anything until you are ready. Your time will come. 🙂

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I should be fired. I haven’t gotten anything done.Well, nothing I’m paid to do. Damn you, TO, what have you done to us?!

      • beauty for ashes

        I know seriously guys I HAVE to go to the chiropractor today. I have to. I have to, I have to. Okay thank you guys I’m seriously shutting my laptop now and putting some leaving the house clothes on. Don’t break any big news while I’m gone!!

        • Stephanie Loving

          Have a wonderful session. Electro-stim? Helped me mucho. Feel better Beauty!

          • beauty for ashes

            No I’m on a sort of charity plan, just plain old snap and crack. Thanks for the well wishes and right back atcha Stephanie. I just need to be more consistent. 🙂

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      SHHHHHHH!

      • Sherbet

        I won’t tell your boss if you won’t tell mine.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Wednesday, 07 October 2015.

    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,

    Sunday 4th: SFBay scores a couple and leads Sacramento
    Monday 5th: New York leads just-made-it Philadelphia, Hello Philly!
    Tuesday 6th: Boston leads SFBay

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Ranger by El Chief enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15392179877/in/set-72157642802079293

    • B4you

      Why on earth would anyone do this? Why!

  • Newiga

    Someone just made a Twitter -account for Scientology Finland. https://twitter.com/SkientologiaFI

    Only 14 tweets thus far and all about Going Clear. The tweets are very lame compared to what we’ve seen from other COS propaganda accounts.

    “The documentary is biased!! Wake up!

    #docventures— Suomen Skientologit (@SkientologiaFI) 7. lokakuuta 2015

    • flyonthewall

      It’s going to win an Oscar!!! All hands on deck!!! (f5)

      • beauty for ashes

        Aww I thought it was Richard Simmons for a minute, I don’t know why Fly but I got excited. Actually **giggles**no I do~sequins ,giant hair ,tiny legs and drama.

    • B4you

      “Skientologit” ha ha! They are funny those are you finish?

      • Newiga

        Yup, I’m Finnish. 🙂

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      How close to correct is this Newiga?

      Kirkko on kultti! Herää!

      I’m totally depending on Google Translate here. 😀

      • Newiga

        It’s actually quite good! I’d add Scientology in front of the word church. Like thus: Skientologian kirkko on kultti! Herää!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I’d be so lost trying to speak Finnish. 🙂 Hope you’ll be my translator if I ever find myself around that area.

          • Newiga

            I’d be honored! I’ll show you all the cool places too. 😉

  • Sunny Sands

    Karen DLC posted this letter about Jason Lee’s wife Carmen at Clambake. It appears to be from Carmen’s attorney and is requesting the chaplain at CC Hollywood cease and desist, and she also wants a refund of $50,000.

    • Tony Ortega

      Notice the lack of a date.

      • Jimmy3

        Notice the lack of an “(LOL)” after the refund part.

        • ze moo

          “above captioned address”? Never saw that in any legal letter before.

      • B4you

        What does it mean that there is no date?

        • Tony Ortega

          It means it was a LONG time ago and someone doesn’t want to emphasize that point. (I don’t mean Karen.)

  • salin

    Thank you Mr. Postman! (Going Clear DVD arrived today!)

    • B4you

      How does the cover look on that thing?

      • salin

        I took a picture but my old computer doesn’t have a way that I can figure it out so that I can post the pic – mine is to big for disqus. Standard – black background, shadow standing looking at the Title in Blue… BUT acros the top “WINNER OF THREE 2015 EMMY AWARDS INCLUDING OUTSTANDING DOCUMENTARY OR NONFICTION SPECIAL”.

        • B4you

          Thanks 🙂 I get the picture. Great that it has the Emmy thingy on it and i like it says NONFICTION 🙂

    • One Human

      Lots of green jelly awaits you.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      Got mine today, too. Watched it almost immediately. Watching Sara Goldberg’s story is powerful. All of it is, really, but her story really struck me. Even though I already knew the story, watching her tell it brings it to a different level than just reading about it.

      There’s no bonus material on the DVD, but that’s ok, the film is plenty.

      • salin

        Great preview. I am holding off for a few days in order to watch it together with a relative who has no exposure. Anticipation is going to drive me nuts.

        • TheLurkingHorror

          You have more willpower than I do. 🙂

          Hope you and your loved one enjoy.

  • salin

    I was doing a broad net search for Harlem and Scientology – didn’t find anything new. But I ran across this really odd short little clip that is completely context-less but was posted under the title ‘The FBI and the church of Scientology’. Mean anything to anyone?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32j0lx

    • Tony Ortega

      Schizo nonsense. Zzzzzz.

      • salin

        Thanks.

  • J. Swift

    My two questions:

    1. Did OSA order Mark Burton to have Cat White’s body cremated?

    2. Was the wake at the Zorthian Ranch actually held to scatter Cat’s ashes?

    I ask because I just can’t see OSA allowing the body to be flown back to Ireland where further investigation could be done. OSA would also not want the media to cover Jim Carrey at the funeral.

    OSA needs to make this story go away quickly. Cremation would be Mark Burton’s call as he is the husband. According to comments Coroner Ed White made, he doesn’t know if Burton signed over the body to Cat’s family.

    • flyonthewall

      was she cremated? I thought the body was being flown back to Ireland?

      • Jimmy3

        The article only says “remains”.

        • flyonthewall

          They were separated and I doubt her family would be ok with cremation, I’m assuming they’re Catholic. If he does that w/o the family’s blessing it will be a big problem for them. OSA would be very dumb to make a cremation happen, it will cause a big upset for the family and keep this thing in the papers longer.

          • J. Swift

            The Church of Scientology doesn’t care about publicity in any usual sense of the term. Example: According to a report in the NY Post Nicole Kidman was not told of her daughter Bella’s Scientology wedding and was not invited. Reports say Tom Cruise attended. This snub of Nicole Kidman would be very typical of the contempt Scientology has for families.

            • flyonthewall

              No doubt Sci has contempt for family but that’s the only source I’ve heard that says Tom was there. I would be suspect of it.

            • J. Swift
            • flyonthewall

              Interesting for sure, it does fit 100% with the Sci family values.

            • Robert Eckert

              This was after versions in which Nicole attended but not Tom, or multiple versions in which neither parent attended. The photos released make it seem far more likely that neither was there, and that this story about Tom being involved and present are bogus attempts to to escape the bad PR.

          • John McGhee

            catholics don’t have a problem with cremation; it’s a personal choice. The only problem was that it wasn’t as available here as it is now; 4 crematoria have had to open in the last 10 years due to the demand for it. However, Cat’s remains have not been cremated; her body will be lying in repose on Friday evening
            http://rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=268086/CathrionaWHITE/Cappawhite/Tipperary

            • J. Swift

              John, this is good news for the family and thank you for posting it. I was reacting to what happened to Alexander Jentzsch and the Travolta’s deception with Jett. There is a story on this I will share someday.

            • John McGhee

              Ah okay, J. No problem

            • flyonthewall

              nice, thnx John.

      • J. Swift

        I didn’t say she was cremated. I asked if she was. Scientology belief calls for cremation and not burial. As Cat’s husband, Mark Burton has the power over Cat’s body. He can tell Cat’s family no and have Cat cremated and they can’t do anything about it.

        When Jett Travolta died in the Bahamas in 2009, John Travolta hired a hearse with a coffin in it to take Jett’s body to the airport. The Travolta shore story was that Jett’s body was being flown home for a memorial. Reporters took the bait and fell for the ruse and followed the hearse to the airport.

        The reality is that Jett had already been cremated on the island and the Travolta’s secretly flew back to Florida. From the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1105106/Im-sorry-Jett-John-Travoltas-tearful-whisper-hugged-son-time.html

        The couple’s arrival in Florida followed reports of a secret operation on Grand Bahama island involving a decoy hearse and an empty coffin which allowed the couple to avoid waiting media as they left for Florida.

        A black hearse carrying a simple wooden casket was reportedly dispatched from the Restview funeral home on Grand Bahama island to the local airport last night in what undertakers later claimed had been a ruse, possibly to divert waiting media.

        Meanwhile the celebrity couple and their eight-year-old daughter Ella Bleu slipped away unseen for a flight home to Ocala, Florida, with an urn containing Jett’s ashes.

        The decoy hearse and empty coffin used by John Travolta:

        http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/karendelac/article-1105106-02F47E32000005DC-410_468x330.jpg

        • flyonthewall

          I understand, thanks for clarifying. That’s sick about Travolta, I didn’t know that. The reason why I think OSA won’t do that here is bc cremation would upset the family and cause this thing more publicity, which they do not want. I understand her husband can do what he wants but they’ve been separated and ready to divorce. It may have just been a green card marriage anyway, everything I’ve read indicates they weren’t close. So making that kind of call would really be out of line despite having the legal right to do so.

          • Jimmy3

            I just sort of assumed it was a green card marriage.

            • flyonthewall

              For tricky stuff like this I like to augment my Bunker reading with tea leaf and animal en trail readings.

            • Ella Raitch

              Squirrel!

          • J. Swift

            I assume the marriage of Mark Burton and Cat White was a Scientology marriage that took place in a Scientology facility and probably CC Int here in Hollywood.

            The Church cannot admit it participated in, or sanctioned, a green card marriage. And there is no evidence it was a green card marriage. That is just an assumption made in the absence of proof.

            Cat White was still married to Mark Burton and was, technically, having an affair with Jim Carrey. This means Cat was Out 2D according to Scientology’s rules.

            What Jim Carrey knew, or didn’t know, about Cat’s marital status remains unanswered.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              I thought they got married in Las Vegas.

            • J. Swift

              I don’t know. I don’t recall seeing this bit of information. Can you please post a link?

            • TonyOrtega

              They were married in Las Vegas as I stated in yesterday’s story. (And today’s.) Also, there’s been no suggestion that she was cremated.

            • J. Swift

              Thanks for the clarification Tony.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon
            • beauty for ashes

              Hey if you see that fabulous lady Karen De La Carriere, give her big smooshy hugs and tell her its from the Bunker. I can’t imagine this isn’t triggering for her, and you. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

            • J. Swift

              I will give Karen a big hug. What I will say is that the Church does not care about Cat’s family. The Church only cares only about protecting its own interests in this matter and distancing itself as far as possible from yet another tragic death of a Scientologist.

              When Nancy Cartwright’s former fiancee Steve Brackett killed himself by jumping off the bridge in Big Sur, OSA told Scientologists he died in a traffic accident. A memorial was held for Steve. This was the memo the Church sent to people:

              Steve Bracket departed his body last week.

              Many of us knew Steve as an LA Org OTC Member who not only contributed to our projects through his work and financially, but brought many people into the LA Org for services. He’s a great guy and will be missed.

              Steve’s memorial service will be held at Celebrity Centre this coming Saturday at 1:00 PM. Please feel free to let others know who may want to wish him a fond farewell and new beginning.

              ML,

              Betsy

            • beauty for ashes

              That’s a shame, doesn’t show much affinity or reality, or confront, for that matter either.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Interesting…In the replies to Jenny Burpee’s initial FB post about Cat’s death, someone asked how she died. Jenny told them she died in her sleep. I can see wanting to be discreet about a suicide, especially immediately afterward when you don’t know the family’s wishes. But still, it smacked of the usual CoS obfuscation tactics to me.

            • Ella Raitch

              Ditto on the hugs to you and Karen…this must be a nightmare

          • wouldn’t stop them in a million years IMO

        • fuck me…. do you have specific details of the “paramedic blackmail’ story that strangely disappeared… too relaxed to search specifics but the gist is that Travolta was attempting that crazy ‘Life Assist’ where Hubbard said that if you can get to the body quickly enough after actual death you can ‘bring them back’ on Jett …

          …. man, this story is getting more and more fucked ip by the hour!

        • villagedianne

          From todays The Belfast Telegraph:http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/jim-carreys-ex-cathriona-white-had-been-married-31589044.html :

          “Ed Winter, assistant chief of the LA coroner’s office, said her body may be flown home today.

          “Her body was released to her family yesterday afternoon,” he said.”

          From Winter’s wording, it sounds like an intact body.

    • Allie

      This story just keeps getting creepier.

    • villagedianne

      From an article in yesterdays Daily Mirror at http://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/#more-26013 :

      “According to Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter Cathriona’s husband will have control over her body and will have to legally sign over that right to her family before they can take her back to Ireland.

      He told People magazine: “The next of kin has to relinquish the body to her family.”

      Winter refused to confirm if the body had been signed over from the husband to her family and said it was a “private family matter.”

    • ze moo

      With Jim Carrey paying for White family to come over and funeral expenses he has more ‘control’ over things than the ‘husband’. Cremation is not normally a catholic thing, I doubt that Irish Catholics would accept that. Hiding all evidence is very much a clam ‘sacrament’ and I am surprised that Burton bowed out so quickly and easily.

      Or did he? Did Carrey pay him off in some way? Between guilt and police looking very carefully at him, Jim Carrey could easily be blackmailed into doing a lot of things. I see only genuine grief from Carrey so far, so if any shenanigans are going on, they aren’t apparent to me.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah.. He’s looking kinda broken, even before she died.. Makes me sad

  • nottrue

    • All 4 million scientology celebs should quit Hollywood, if Going Clear gets an Oscar. That will teach them wogs and SPs.

    • Edward Clarke

      You know, it’s an area of interest for me (obviously) and I like the film. And if it wins, it will be a big deal for the kicks against Scientology.

      But if I step back from that for a moment, it isn’t really a film that deserves an Oscar win. It was one sided*, essentially telling stories that were already well trodden, and had few moments of actually inspired filmmaking (Queen + the flying chair being the best example).

      *yes, I know Miscavige and Co weren’t interviewed because they didn’t want to be, but they should have tried their best to get at least one happy Sci in the film. And frankly, if a 30 year Sci and Oscar winning writer says he left because they supported a homophobic policy around 2006, Gibney *has* to ask him why he didn’t notice the proclaimed printed homophobia of LRH before then.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I disagree.. And you just lost a lot of credibility with me.. But hey, it’s your opinion, so have at it, sir..

        • Edward Clarke

          Well, the Oscar is supposed to be won by the Best Documentary. So far we have people *hoping* it wins as a middle finger to Scientology, and *believing* it will win… as a middle finger to Scientology.

          In all the Oscar buzz on this site and a few others, not one person anywhere has hoped for a win based on the quality of the film based on a comparison to its peers. And this is officially the only reason it should deservedly win.

          Put me in a rubber room right now for going old school and wanting it to do no better or worse than it deserves as a documentary, pure and simple. I’ve seen 3 of the 5 above. It’s on a par with one (Amy) and short of the other (Look of Silence).

          And yes, I think in the absence of actual Scientologists, more probing questions could have been asked of Haggis, whose story has an obvious hole. And perhaps a few other things I personally would have added.

          • What questions would you like to ask Haggis?

            • Edward Clarke

              Why did you leave Scientology due to the backing of a homophobic bill by a single branch, which they (admittedly half heartedly and perhaps dishonestly) claimed was an error? When in fact the founder and godhead is published and on public record in describing homosexuals as lowly individuals who need serious help, within material which you had access to and knowledge of for 30 years.

              How’s that?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Ooooooh, a Scientology troll? Can I keep him, Ma? Can I?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              To answer your question: it wasn’t just the church’s support for Proposition 8. It’s because the homophobic tenets of the Scientology “religion” were beginning to affect his lesbian daughters.

            • Edward Clarke

              If you understood the question, you would have known it was asked of Gibney.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              So you’re wasting your time ask me, because… ?

            • I am not Paul Haggis, but am also a former scientologist and here’s my educated guess.

              First, I really don’t think the homophobic aspect was the only reason why Paul left.
              Second, for a straight man living in the times when homosexuality was highly frowned upon, it’s not that hard to ignore the issue and just go with the flow.
              Third, his daughter/s came out recently and perhaps it gave him whole new perspective.

              How’s that?

            • Edward Clarke

              I don’t think it’s the only reason either. In fact, I don’t think it’s likely the main reason at all. It just isn’t convincing at any level. Considering the amount of anti-gay feeling there is in the US politically (equal rights sure brings the bigots out of the closet), to attack the church for what appears to have been the action of one insignificant staff member (which is hardly incendiary in these times) when the very tenets of the belief are in black and white, seems highly unlikely to me.

              So either Gibney believes it, and that’s not very probing or insightful, or he isn’t sure and chooses not to dig further.

              But, lest we get too far away from my original post, I *do* think it’s a good doc. Just not best of the year or anything.

              Do you mind me asking why you left Dodo (I’m a never in, although some aren’t convinced)?

            • villagedianne

              “to attack the church for what appears to have been the action of one insignificant staff member”

              If one insignificant staff member of an organization I belonged to made a remark against my religious or ethnic group, I would demand a strong retraction. It’s a lot different when it affects you personally. I remember back in the days of the civil rights movement blacks were often criticized for being over-sensitive. As in “Why do you guys have to be so sensitive???”

              That said, there may have been a buildup of doubts in Haggis’ mind and maybe there were other factors.

            • Edward Clarke

              I understand what you’re saying, but it still ignores the fact they all this ‘homosexuality is a disease’ stuff is part of the Scientology bedrock. Haggis must have known this. The doc claims he didn’t, and only found out when he allowed himself access to the Internet decades later, and *cough* to actually read Hubbard for the first time simultaneously.

              Haggis comes out smelling of roses. Gibney shouldn’t have allowed that so easily.

            • villagedianne

              I have read that Scientology’s homophobic culture is greatly soft-pedaled in Hollywood. There was a young gay aspiring actor who was briefly involved at the Celeb Center and made a video about it. I can’t recall the name, though.

            • Edward Clarke

              I’m sure it is. Homophobia isn’t going to win you many points anywhere these days, but certainly not in the arts. I haven’t seen the revised text, but I understand it’s all been removed (with some dubious cover story). If only some other organisations would do the same.

            • villagedianne

              The offensive text has been removed, but there are reports that the homophobic culture remains. David Miscavige took great pleasure in graphically tormenting two straight men at Int Base who were roommates. Debbie Cook objected to this treatment of the two men. As payback, from http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/ex-clearwater-scientology-officer-debbie-cook-testifies-she-was-put-in-the/1214690

              “She described a 12-hour ordeal at the California base where she was made to stand in a trash can while fellow executives poured water over her, screamed at her and said she was a lesbian.”

              This would have happened under direct or indirect orders from Miscavige. Indirect because Miscavige often sets people against each other to prove their loyalty to him. Miscavige is a major homophobe, and like the saying goes, sh*t rolls downhill.

            • Edward Clarke

              Interesting stuff. From what else I’ve heard, I have little doubt DM is homophobic, and probably doesn’t want gay people in the church.

            • Robert Eckert
            • randomity

              I’m pretty sure Haggis would have answered more probing questions with the same contrition and eloquence he had throughout, but agree with your point — tougher follow-ups would have been nice.

            • I see. Short answer – I left because I realized that it’s not what I signed up for.

          • Jimmy3

            I can’t speak for anyone else, but I don’t hope Going Clear wins best documentary… Because all my hope is dedicated to the thought that you will shut your inane babbling up soon.

            • Edward Clarke

              Mindless insults with no actual viewpoint, from someone who claims to have been brainwashed but is alright now (probably) and is known for non-inane posting? Hmmmm.

            • Robert Eckert

              “claims to have been brainwashed but is alright now” Uh…. Jimmy has never claimed to have been brainwashed (he is a never-in) and has most certainly never claimed to be alright (we all know better than that).

            • Jimmy3

              This guy must be reading from the wrong file. And I’m sure if I do have a file, which I doubt, it is probably full of unfinished Denny’s kids menu mazes. Those things are harder than they look.

            • Jimmy3

              What are you talking about? Show me where I’ve claimed to have been brainwashed. Known for non-inane posting? 97% of my posts are inane.

            • Edward Clarke

              Hence I said ‘probably’. Where are these 3% non-inane posts anyway?

            • Jimmy3

              Nice try. And I’ve hidden my “non-inane” post throughout old Bunker articles. Go find them if you want to win the secret prize.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I’ve seen them all.. I disagree with you.. I think Gibney’s is the best and deserves the win.. Are you sure you saw Going Clear? Because I think we saw different movies.. And I see no holes whatsoever in Havggis’ story..

            You’re reaching, Edward.. And not very convincingly..

            • Edward Clarke

              Fair enough. Incidentally, since these discussions have a way of getting you off track… I’m not saying Gibney had to speak to a Scientologist, only that to be a fully rounded doc worthy of an Oscar win, he should have. Also, I think the doc would have been even more successful if he had done. I’ve seen the Scientology response doc – it plays before Lawrence Wright interviews on YouTube – and frankly Gibney would have had no problem in making them look like idiots. Even if he couldn’t get a Sci civilian, all he has to say is that they claim 10 million members and not one will go on the record. That’s a helluva statement right there.

              Haggis, when asked to quietly acquiesce to Church policies, smugly tells Gibney ‘I don’t do that’ and laughs in that moment as he almost becomes the hero of the piece. But he had been doing it for 30 years already. Gibney doesn’t question his claim that he not only avoided Scientology criticism in this time, but didn’t read the Hubbard texts either.

              I find this less than convincing.

            • sugarplumfairy

              “Incidentally, since these discussions have a way of getting you off track…” You crack me up.. Good try.. Fairy out..

      • flyonthewall

        interesting, usually you guys wait awhile longer before unmasking yourself

        • Edward Clarke

          You guys are unreal. Brainwashed at port then brainwashed at starboard.

          • At least one happy Sci? There are few in the film who were happy Sci at some point.

          • flyonthewall

            Your critique sounds like you’re reading from a Sci dead agent pack

            • Edward Clarke

              I’m getting the feeling that *any* critique reads like that to you.

              By all means post a critique of the film you think is meaningful and didn’t come from a Scientologist, and we’ll compare it to what I’ve said here.

              Why don’t you also post your own critique on this year’s other major documentaries so that we can get a flavour of why you favour Going Clear over them in a manner in which I don’t.

              And if you think I was asking too much for the doc to try and at least cover the viewpoint of a single current Scientologist, tell me which of the many recent anti religious docs (besides this one) didn’t manage to get one single interview from an adherent?

            • Do you realize that there Clears/OTs and auditors in Going Clear?

            • Edward Clarke

              Interviewed? No I didn’t.

            • Everyone in Going Clear, but Tony Ortega is a trained auditor of some kind and Clear/OT. Sara Goldberg is OT VIII, I am pretty sure.

            • Edward Clarke

              They have left. They ain’t operating any more.

              I’d like to think we can all agree there are ex-Scientologists in the film, and the lack of them wasnt an issue to anyone in this thread.

            • villagedianne

              Many of us have been Scientology watchers long enough to know the tricks and stratagems of COS. Commonly they will refuse access, then scream they are not being heard.

            • That comment of yours is all I needed to know. Good luck to you, Edward.

            • Edward Clarke

              Is the fact that you think these people are still somehow ‘in’ a Freudian slip on your own situation? You should use past tense for this stuff. Sara Goldberg isn’t anything, she’s out. She didn’t sound keen on a comeback.

            • EnthralledObserver

              “And if you think I was asking too much for the doc to try and at least cover the viewpoint of a single current Scientologist, tell me which of the many recent anti religious docs (besides this one) didn’t manage to get one single interview from an adherent?”

              I believe they did ‘try’… and that’s the point. $cientology were the ones who prevented it. So as nice as it would have been, I don’t think Gibney etc can be held responsible, nor never finish and release their film because of it. It just wasn’t possible.

            • Edward Clarke

              I’m as interested in why Jon Doe, hell let’s call him Jimmy Doe, is brainwashed as much as the Daves and Toms of this world.

            • villagedianne

              “I’m as interested in why Jon Doe, hell let’s call him Jimmy Doe, is brainwashed as much as the Daves and Toms of this world.”

              Yes, good point. But stories about celebrities are what gets the public to watch. It’s an effective way of spreading the message.

            • Edward Clarke

              It is, and the doc is doing great, it’s the highlight of the year (so far!) in a very important fight, etc. I congratulate Gibney for doing it.

              But the This Deserves The Oscar talk I’ve seen on here and on Mike Rinder’s blog (if I recall) has thrown the baby out with the bath water. No one has bothered to consider whether it deserves it, not in a single post (feel free, anyone, to direct me to something that says otherwise), they just want their agenda* to trump critical thought for the cause. (*its an agenda I agree with 100%, but that’s neither here nor there)

              It’s the equivalent of saying directly after her attack, that Nancy Kerrigan deserves to win Olympic Gold. We have not only judged her performance highly before the fact based on a very unjust situation, we have also devalued the work of others who had nothing to do with anything that happened to her, and who still deserve their own shot at Gold.

              I hope that spur of the moment analogy makes sense.

            • villagedianne

              I see the point you are making. I still hope it wins though. Supposing for the sake of argument that the film is not really Oscar-worthy, it wouldn’t be the first time an Oscar was given for “political” reasons.

            • villagedianne

              See my reply to flyonthewall. You have made a reasonable case for your opinion and from what I read of you comments, I have no reason to decide you are OSA.

              I hate to think a commenter is considered OSA just because they have a contrary opinion. Sometimes there is groupthink here, just like there is everywhere else.

              As far as your comment about including the viewpoint of a single Scientologist, that may not have been possible given the extreme paranoia of the Church. Janet Reitman, the author of Inside Scientology did manage to talk to some current members, but probably they were vetted by the Church ahead of time.

              One author was “ambushed” in a room with a team of Scientologists talking at him. If that’s their idea of presenting the other side . . .

            • flyonthewall

              There you go again, “anti-religious docs”. How is Going Clear a “anti-religious doc”? Does that make a doc on Jonestown a “anti-religious doc”? How about the documentary, Deliver Us From Evil? That focused on child molestation and didn’t have a single person in it that was 100% happy with the Catholic Church and how they handled the sexual abuse. Does that make it bigoted, anti-Catholic propaganda? No, that makes it a focused 1.5-2hr documentary film not a freakin’ 6hr Ken Burns mini-series with the ability to explore every single facet of the given subject. Do you understand now?

            • Edward Clarke

              A doc on Jonestown should be trying to get interviews with survivors / witnesses if possible. A doc on Heaven’s Gate was held up recently purely because they didn’t have that perspective yet from a believer and didn’t want to go out without it.

              Is there anyone who is 100% happy with the Catholic sex abuse for your hypothetical doc? Name names from the billions to choose from.

              We know for a fact that ‘Scientology Is Great’ people are easy to find. Hell, you think I’m one of em. I could name names right now. 50 of them were listed on Mike Rinder’s blog today, etc.

              I’ve got 50 possibilities out of just 30,000 for Gibney without even trying. How many can you get for your hypothetical Catholicism doc from the billions to choose from?

              So you’ve dodged all three requests and are comparing apples and oranges. You’ve twisted it to me saying you can’t make a documentary on Jeffrey Dahmer without at least one person saying he did good.

              If something is legal and has many seemingly happy adherents, and a doc says it’s actually an immoral con, and the people are nuts, I’d want to hear from a few of them. In situ. Especially if I wanted my doc to reach its maximum critical potential.

            • Robert Eckert

              “A doc on Jonestown should be trying to get interviews with survivors / witnesses if possible” But you wouldn’t be satisfied unless you get someone who is still loyal to Jones?

            • Edward Clarke

              If there was still 30,000 of them, seemingly happy and legally proclaiming that loyalty with government benefits for their trouble? Yes, I would try to talk to them.

              This question was already dealt with entirely in my post, especially the last para. I’ve compared a lot of the attacks on non-conformist opinion on here to Scientology, and it continues. Either you didn’t understand my post, which seems hard to believe, or by asking the pointless question you were merely providing ‘noise’.

            • Robert Eckert

              The ones who actually proclaim their seeming happiness, like Travolta, were given screen time. No-one is so willing to proclaim their happiness as to be interviewed, though some will make ambush attacks, which are also publicized although this somehow does not have the effect the Scientologists are apparently aiming for.

              “I’ve compared a lot of the attacks on non-conformist opinion on here to Scientology” That kind of attempted jujitsu is very OSA, and a major reason why you are received with such suspicion.

            • villagedianne

              I don’t think we should automatically assume that a person is OSA just because they have an opinion contrary to most of the commenters on the blog.

            • Edward Clarke

              That’s how this place rolls, it seems.

              Just a few days ago, Douglas above was even claiming I was manipulating posts (I wasn’t), and in a manner that I wouldn’t even expect of Tommy Davis, was posting screengrabs showing me not doing it to prove that I was.

            • Jimmy3

              This guy *only* posts contrary opinions. I don’t know that he’s OSA, and I’m not saying that he is. But all I’ve ever seen from him are comments that he very well knows will be unpopular, and he just likes to argue. OSA or not, he’s a shit-stirrer.

              Contrary opinions? Fine. Going out of your way to find contrary opinions? Shit-stirring troll.

              Pattern recognition is not as difficult as it may seem.

            • Edward Clarke

              Actually this isn’t true. Click on my posts and see how many of them are shit stirring. Almost all you count as the latter are responses to attacks. And attacks based on very little.

              What is incendiary on my original post above? As pointed out now several times, there is a lot of cheerleading for an award win for political reasons. At no point do any of these people seem to be open to any criticism of the film, or open to any other documentary being considered superior. This is part of a problem, not a solution. Ive asked for someone to point to a single reasoned post for this film legitimately winning the Oscar by being Best In Category. I haven’t seen one yet, and seemingly no one else has either.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You clearly do not understand how documentaries work.

        • randomity

          The guy makes a couple of interesting points. I think Going Clear is important, timely, and has a lot of other positives, (and I also hope it wins) but it would be hard to say it was as powerful as a film like “look of silence.” I think a possible underlying reason is that Gibney was under a cloud of potential litigation and may have been forced to pull some punches.

      • richelieu jr

        Speaking as a film maker who was preparing (I had actually been shooting for quite awhile) a documentary on Scientology that lost its funding when Gibney made his announcement just before Sundance, I have to say that it is precisely the lack of lurid details (no matter how true, and there is certainly no shortage of them) and the solid, simple presentation that mends GIbney’s film its power.

        I would have gone much further, and counter-intuitively it would have weakened my film’s impact, not made it better.

        Also, you seem to think the Oscars are about amazing film making other than perceived courage, timing,etc… It should also be noted that only Documentary film makers will be voting for the category,and I think they’ve been pretty clear about what they think of Gibney as a film maker.

        They also clearly want to make a statement to the world that the Scilons do NOT control Hollywood, and that they are tired of their sneaky, sleazy ways…

        The number one problem working against Gibney Oscar-wise is that he has won so many and it is getting bit redundant.

        (Look for a lot of Scilon tax-free money going to publicize a certain charming and amazing Palestinian girl’s story and winning appearances.
        OF course, they may think twice about using true heroism, pain and purity to achieve their twisted ends, because— BWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHAAAA!!!! Sorry, I couldn’t quite get it out…)

        (DM would rape that poor girl for the rest of her life if his manhood wasn’t toy-sized and it would deprive Gibney of that Oscar.)

        • Edward Clarke

          Actually, the Oscars declare what they are about in plain English. ‘Best.’ This is rarely adhered to. And of all the pro-Oscar posts prior to mine (that I saw anyway), none nor Tony’s interview comments were expecting or hoping for the win due to it being Best (or most courageous, etc). It was purely their dog in a fight. This is the system not working if it translates to actual voters. Which Tony speculates it might.

          Only the nominations are as a the result of Documentarians voting. When it’s whittled down its a free for all. Although the attempt to get everyone to see the films begins around now with a barrage of emails offering free showings in LA and NYC.

          I’m only guessing, but I think Scientology might struggle to find a clear horse to back. Bias for and against GC aside, it looks like anyone’s game.

          • richelieu jr

            This is different from what I said in what way exactly? and I am an Oscar voter BTW and have been for 25 years.

            I said, that compared to my (still only proposed, sadly) film,the fact that his was simpler and restrained itself from flashiness and the truly socking extremes made it more effective, not less.“Then I pointed out how the Oscars work, which you rephrased as if it were a lesson to me.

            You seem to me like an attitude in search of an argument.

            I suspect you are OSA (in which case, pretty good try) but you may just be an asshole, in which case, why not crawl up yourself and disappear?

            (Still know you have my nomination for ‘Best’, which is such a clear term for you. “Rarely adhered to”? How about sometimes, if ever and only by accident. Everyone over the age of 10 knows this.

            So please understand that you are the very very ‘Best’. I am sure you’ll understand why.)

            • Edward Clarke

              RJR – my post was about this film winning (or not) based on outside issues which isn’t fair. It should be voted on as a doc, pure and simple, against its peers.

              I’m not interested in hearing about your film, or how because of this you are viewing Going Clear against some imaginary scenes in your head, and not against the other candidates.

              Nor do I want to hear you tell us you are an Oscar voter, but somehow don’t know the rules for voting. I get the email bombardments too.

              Nor do I really want to hear you inform us you have serious sexual issues, making unsolicited comments on a civil documentary discussion first about genitalia, then your child rape fantasy, and then, after my desperate attempt to haul it back to a talk on documentaries only, you start talking about ‘crawling up assholes’. Really?

              I’m guessing you’re foreign as your English ain’t great. And that you’re obviously a serious pervert who doesn’t ever get asked to babysit. Surely if I was OSA I’d be working on your child rape fantasy by now, so there’s your answer. I’d edit that post real soon by the way.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      When are the Oscars? Like, after the new year right?

  • jazzlover

    Sorry if this has been mentioned or posted already. Yahoo piggybacks again:

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/scientology-ramps-up-campaign-against-going-145629951.html

  • Mockingbird

    You guys may already know. The Scientology terrorist mind control cult is reportedly targeting voters for the Academy Awards. Scientology PR put both feet down throat then set a Gatling gun to autotarget the feet and fire. What could go wrong ?

    Going Clear may win due to resistance to Scientology bullying .

    From the Hollywood Reporter.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/scientology-ramps-up-going-clear-829957?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR%20Breaking%20News_now_2015-10-07%2007:26:10_DMcCoy&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

    • Smell the footbullety goodness!

      • ze moo

        Yum, yum, Toe Jam and blood……

        • Gack. I’m having a colonoscopy tomorrow and am about halfway through the hideous jug of glop. I was doing fine until . . . urp!

          • ze moo

            I am having one next week. I commiserate…..

            • I have to say that my first 2 liters of stuff wasn’t really that bad. I’m just FUCKING HUNGREH!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            God bless you! I passed my colonoscopy with flying colors, and got a seven year reprieve until the next one.

          • Sandy

            Pro tip. I have had 2. Mix it with vodka. Serious.

          • villagedianne

            I’ve been there. Actually you don’t necessarily have to drink it all. The dosage is set for a physically large person.

            Anyway tonight is the worst part. Tomorrow after the procedure you can enjoy the happy high from the Valium drip.

    • sugarplumfairy

      That’s a good article.. But something tells me they should have credited our proprietor.. Sounds like a lot of it came from bunker stories..

  • Jimmy3

    This just in: Going Clear has been nominated in each category chosen by the Golden Razberry voters. The Golden Razberry Awards are a real thing, and they were not created just to smear Going Clear.

    Going Clear is a safe bet to sweep the Razies. (One ‘Z’ for legal purposes)

    • outraged

      wow, for a minute there I thought you were serious.
      They haven’t done the razzies for this year yet.

  • nottrue

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Really? That’s rich. Because certainly, the CoS has never had anyone on the payroll at VF.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Puh-leeze. You expect us to believe “objectivity” is in your dictionary after we have read Freedom magazine?

    • Ella Raitch

      By that they mean “what have you done with our Scientology-loyal plant in your organisation”. Yeah – you know who you are.

  • “Jim Carrey’s ex-girlfriend’s suicide note had a heartbreaking plea to the actor”

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/jim-carreys-ex-girlfriends-suicide-note-had-a-heartbreaking-plea-to-the-actor/ar-AAfduA8?li=AAa0dzB

    Snip:

    “Radar Online is quoting a source who claims to have read the letter. In it,
    Cathriona writes, “Jim, I love you. Please forgive me. I’m not for this
    world.”

    Cathriona’s body was found on Sep. 28. She’s believed to
    have died from an intentional overdose. Radar’s source also indicated
    the that she begged the actor to “take care” of her burial and
    distribute her assets to her grieving family.”

    • Screenshot from MSN dot com

    • jazzlover

      Might be worth pointing out that an apparent SciFi sympathizer is using Baby’s avatar in the comments section.

      • Ha! I saw it too. Pretty sure it’s a common pic on the Internet though, plus there is a name of the dude and his location.

        • jazzlover

          Couldn’t it be fake?

          • All I am saying is it’s a pretty common avy. But who knows.

            • jazzlover

              I hear you, Dodo. I’m pointing it out to show that OSA may now be using “slick” ways to show that the Bunker is being watched. It is an odd and small-minded way to “intimidate”, as the trolls who show up here think they’re doing.

            • Understood. We know The Bunker is being watched. It was never a question.

            • Juicer77

              (f5) for $ci tactics

            • jazzlover

              Gotcha! LOL

          • will go on record here and say NO FUCKING WAY does someone write something like that… it’s awful to question something so sensitive but this SCREAMS what people think a suicide note should read like… the stench is just getting stinkier and stinkier… I have ominous feelings about this!

            pic

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yep.

    • and neither here no there but Radar seem to have got rid of Disqus… and whilst you can seem to sign in with twitter that bit seems down….

  • beauty for ashes

    Click the heart, if you think Cathriona’s story is important, and should be read by others.
    It’s right under the number of comments. The gray heart will turn pink .
    Ps, if anyone else wants to do this too, you are free to use this image.
    F5 Photo by beauty turned ^UP^ by Nat 🙂

    • M from Toronto

      You have a pretty big heart yourself, Beauty.

      • beauty for ashes

        Oh Thank god, I thought you were gonna say BUTT!!!! <3 ya M!

        • M from Toronto

          I prefer to think of our big butts as Bahookie* Meritorious! <3 you!

          *Bahookie, a cheeky (uh huh) but friendly Glasgow and environs patter for butt, bottom, bum etc.

          • beauty for ashes

            I like that word Bahookie. I totally am gonna adopt it.

            • M from Toronto

              I love Bahookie, it’s one of my childhood favourites, along with Mawkit* Scunnered/Scunnert* Ah dinna huv a scooby* and Did ye fun him/her in a lucky bag*

              *Mawkit=Filthy
              *Scunnered/Scunnert=Annoyed as can be
              *Ah dinna huv a scooby=I’ve no clue
              *Did ye fun him/her in a lucky bag=That person is so unattractive you must have found them in one of those cheap mystery bags from the sweet shop
              Whenever I’ve posted an anecdote from my family people seem to find my Broad Scots entertaining! So there, so much for those elocution certificates that all my family members earned at school!

  • Cars

    The Huffingtonpost headline “Scientologists Deny Campaign Against ‘Going Clear’ For Oscar Win”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scientology-going-clear-oscar_56156ee8e4b0fad1591a8177
    Excerpt:

    In an email to The Huffington Post, Scientology spokesperson Karin Pouw described claims of a campaign against the movie as “yet another publicity stunt by Alex Gibney to try to get an award.”

    “We know Alex Gibney is obsessed with his awards, but we aren’t,” Pouw wrote. “We wouldn’t even know who the Academy members are. This only proves he can dish it out, but can’t take it.”

    [Still chuckling over the line about the CoS not being obsessed with awards. The rest is pretty infantile, too.]

    • beauty for ashes

      Seriously, She sounds like a character from Mean girls or Heathers.

    • they don’t know if they’re coming or going, lol… reckon whoever’s actually ‘making’ these official replies’ took one blow to the head from COB too many

      • madame duran

        So Miscavige is hitting himself in the head? And how is that a bad thing?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Oh Karin, bless your heart. Of course you aren’t obsessed with awards (unless they coincide with a large IAS donation). (F5)

      http://tonyortega.org/2015/07/06/scientologys-trophy-problem-did-david-miscavige-lie-or-did-the-ias/

      • madame duran

        Isn’t there a full wall of certificates, commendations, trophies, etc. housed in a Scientology museum (at Flag?), featuring every award that Hubbard received during his lifetime? “Not obsessed with awards”. LOL!!! Yeah, right.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/holotta-delusion-31_zpsl7ehqbtj.png

      Speaking at a packed press conference at Scientology Media Productions in Hollywood, CO OSA Int Statistics Captain Holotta Delusion declared, “Following a thorough investigation, we in OSA have
      determined the correct WHY for Going Clear wining three Emmy’s.”

      “The answer is that Alex Gibney used footage of Mr. Miscavige. The power and charisma of Mr. Miscavige is what made Going Clear an Emmy-award winning film because, frankly, aside from COB’s speeches, the rest of the film was just some people talking.”

      “Accordingly, we in the Church of Scientology have filed a ten billion dollar lawsuit against HBO and Alex Gibney in which we demand the return of the three Going Clear Emmy’s to David Miscavige, the rightful winner of these Emmy’s.”

      Captain Delusion further noted “COB won his first Emmy for his televised 1992 interview with wog reporter Ted Koppel — and now with his three new Going Clear Emmy’s David Miscavige has won a total of four
      Emmy’s — and what other global ecclesiastical leader can say that?”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRR2H9Zi5ZE

      • ze moo

        Holotta is my favorite Delusion

    • Madison KinSmed

      Someone should tell “elle” that scientology isn’t obsessed with awards. She trots out the scientology belief that David Miscavige won an Emmy for his Ted Koppel interview regularly.

      • Sherbet

        Does she really? Oh, that’s funny!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

      Such a kidder, that Karen Pouw. Makes me laugh every time.

      • Sherbet

        I guess TC may as well turn in his dinner plate-sized Hardest Working Big Thetan award that DM gave him, because it really means nothing at all to scientology. And then the Cardones with their bowling trophies — stick ’em in the garage, Grant. They’re not important.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Consider this my rebuttal to Karin:

      http://media.giphy.com/media/UFSvNxmpNLDsA/giphy.gif

    • J. Swift

      Karin Pouw:

      What is clear to us in all of this is that Alex Gibney can
      dish it out, but can’t take it,” Pouw says. “He’s exceptionally
      thin-skinned to the point where he tried to censor and shame anyone
      criticizing him at public events. One would think a documentarian would
      be more tolerant and open minded.”

      LOL. I
      remind Pouw that her boss, the blathering pompadoured nancyboy David
      Miscavige doesn’t do any public events ever. Miscavige only does private
      events behind hordes of hired off duty armed cops, armed private security agents,
      portable hedges, privacy fences, and only then to invited Scientologists
      and guests.

      Tell ya’ what Karin: Why don’t you rent the Kodak for the debut of your Cult’s doco on Alex Gibney and make David Miscavige available to intro it and then have him take questions from the public audience afterwards?

      Gibney is a public figure who makes frequent public appearances. Let’s see Miscavige do the same.

      • Missionary Kid

        “Blathering pompadoured nancyboy” is a keeper. I’ve added it to the DM nicknames list.

        That’s the perfect challenge for Karin, aka Davy.

      • Cars

        Perfect! And I want Karin Pouw there by his side, too.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Reuters Breaking News 10/07/2015
    CULTS PYONGYANG, North Korea

    Co$ to align clocks with N. Korea
    with our special correspondents Swami River and Sri Anand Bananas

    Our tipsters have revealed another deeply held $cientology secret.
    En route from the opening of yet another Idle Morgue – in Tokyo, this time –
    Dismal Misanthrope paid a secret flying visit to his friend, North Korean leader
    Kim Jong-un.
    In an unexpected announcement to his loyal troops at Gold, Pope Misanthrope
    announced that the Co$ will align it’s clocks with those of North Korea.
    All 47 present burst into applause.
    Speaking on conditions of anonymity, our source revealed that it makes not a
    blind bit of difference to them since they never sleep anyway.

    It is thought that the Nation of Niacin has also signed a non-agression treaty
    with North Korea in exchange for regular supplies of kim chee and spicy Korean
    pickles. It is thought that, being in such a pickle since the release of “Going Clear,”
    the Dim Misfit felt he could spread the bounty.
    This is probably a case of bolting the fishmonger’s door after
    the clams have been raked, washed and shucked.

    • ze moo

      “Nation of Niacin”…….giggle….

    • beauty for ashes

      oooh a secret flying visit? hee hee

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      To be fair, regular supplies of kim chee and spicy Korean pickles doesn’t sound like a half-bad deal. ; )

      • ze moo

        Never spend time in a small room with people who have feasted on them. A hundred of those little pine trees can’t cover up that smell.

        • Harmless Weirdo

          You speak truth. I only go for Korean food on Friday nights before a weekend spent at home by myself. So delicious, yet so lethal.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Heh heh…ewwwww…

        • Missionary Kid

          Sorry, I like kim chee, just not the nuclear hot kind that Korean families prepare at home.

  • nottrue

    As soon as they unlock that door I’m gone…

    • sugarplumfairy

      Oh lord.. I can’t hide that again fast enough.. Creeeeepy..

  • PappeKak

    The Scientology Cult is “a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner.” I am just saying.

    Beware.

    • anoni81b4u

      Scientology has helped me get millions of engrams off of thousands of body thetans and then even helped me to remove the body thetans.. typical anti-scientologist 🙂

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Comment 1000 for today and a screen grab.

    “Elle” still firing the industrial strength foot bullets over at the People Magazine thread:
    http://www.people.com/article/cathriona-white-scientology-jim-carrey-girlfriend-death

    • Ella Raitch

      Ooh DDD – OTVIIIisGrrr8 has just posted part of the Koppel interview below – Elle would be happy to know that since she seems convinced there is a conspiracy to hide this from people (now just picture me physically rolling on the floor howling with tears of laughter).

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      I would have made a joke about Shelly.

  • madame duran

    Reading some of the reactions from Finland on Twitter (#Skientologia). English translation (or, I’m assuming, whatever is the standard language you choose to use) is available next to each Finnish tweet. Click the globe symbol to the right of the tweet. Not the best but you get the gist of what people are saying. Really, it’s no different from what we’ve heard before. Mainly stuff like, “I knew Scientology was weird but not THAT crazy.”, “This explains why Tom Cruise is a jerk”, “Beware of religions; stick to reason”. If Newiga hasn’t posted any yet, I may post some tonight.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Skientologia on paska

  • MaxSpaceman

    Now displaying to millions of eyeballs globally on Yahoo!

    This: F 5

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    An artist’s impression of Karin Pouw.

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvb1x1uj221qc1vfso1_500.gif

    • pixie dust

      She was absolutely terrifying in that movie. I love her.

      • April

        The book is really good also.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Darn that Disqus! Must have been infiltrated by OSA!

    N/M.

    Post to follow.

    • Sherbet

      “I never had a second award.”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Corrected post above. Only took three tries this time!

        • Ella Raitch

          It is a point worth making thee times!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I oughta…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    “We know Alex Gibney is obsessed with his awards, but we aren’t.” –Karen Pouw

    Well, that is just comical.

    I had to go to official Scientology sites (but you don’t– you’re welcome!) to grab these two screen shots to illustrate just how totally-not-obsessed the Church of Scientology is with awards.

    They are so completely-and-totally-not-at-all-obsessed with awards that they even kind of accidentally list some awards for LRH that he was not actually awarded. But hey, that’s a hallmark of really-truly-deeply-totally and completely-not-even-a-smidgeon-at-all-obsessed with awards they are.

    • Dave In Ajax

      if going clear wins the Oscar, it should be a 6 foot tall Oscar called Oscar meritorious :-}

  • on topic light(ish) relief part 1….I mentioned a a couple of months ago one of my new favourite shows called ‘Dag’… it’s a Norwegian comedy about a psychiatrist who has as many problems as his clients… anyway, I binge watched half a dozen episodes and this little gem popped up… suffice to say the ‘nun’ in the pic was a genuine nun in the opening series but ‘develops’ after his sessions…. ff to she left and now has her own ‘church’ and in this brief bit … well… see for yourself [more pics will be on a future blog post]….

    FTR – I have never laughed so hard as I did during a couple of scenes… in one bit Dag wakes up in a public toilet… goes to work… gets picked up by one of his patients who’s actually worried about him… ff to ‘do you know what you did last night?’… you took a pic of your erect member and sent it to everyone in your address book… now the thing is, this being Norwegian TV they actually showed the photo… erection and all… {now that’s method acting, ed!)… the shock actually made my jaw drop and I couldn’t stop laughing.

    I love this show!

    pic

    • villagedianne

      ” . . .you took a pic of your erect member and sent it to everyone in your address book… now the thing is, this being Norwegian TV they actually showed the photo…”

      That’s the pic I was expecting.

      • I was tempted… I said to myself ‘what would Espi do?’… and then thought better of it

        • Missionary Kid

          Yeah, Espi is one person, but you’ve got a presence on the ‘net and it might turn off a bunch of people.

          • such is the wont of erect member posting

            • Missionary Kid

              That just inspired another nickname for DM: The smallest erect member.

  • Cars

    Mike Rinder put up two posts today. He’s fired up! The latest one, titled Going Clear Paranoia, is classic Mike on the subject of Miscavige. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/going-clear-paranoia/

    This is just one excerpt:

    Contacting Academy Members to try and influence them not to vote for Going Clear is such typical ham-fisted Miscavige “PR”.

    He never ceases to amaze. HBO should send him a large fruit basket when Going Clearis nominated. And they should take out a full page as in the NY Times thanking him for his contribution if it wins Best Documentary.

    And if it does win, and I get a chance to say anything about it, I will personally thank him and Tom Cruise for making it all possible.

    Mike’s two recent tweets:

    https://twitter.com/MikeRinder/status/651898764416937984

    https://twitter.com/MikeRinder/status/651909384143040513

    • Ella Raitch

      Thanks Cars – would’ve missed this second posting

    • just FTR my site traffic has literally increased by a factor of 10 since the Cathriona/Carrey story… just thought you guys might be interested to know that

      • Missionary Kid

        $cientology, dba Footbullets Inc.
        They’d fuck up a wet dream, and it’s to your advantage. Cheers.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Congrats, you do a good job. Your site saves me a lot of time trying to keep up with all of the crazy clam shenanigans.

    • Missionary Kid

      Hi Cars. Thanks. The academy members originally didn’t like the advertisements that different studios took out in the trades to get them to vote for or nominate an Oscar candidate.

      I’m sure that the members won’t appreciate the usual Co$ ham-fisted personal approach. If they haven’t seen Going Clear, I’m sure they’ll be sure to watch it now. The Miscavige Effect in full bloom.

      $cientology’s effect on Hollywood is about as effective as a fart in a windstorm.

  • on topic light(ish) relief part 2… our favourite scientology bell-end John Wood went to a Terry Gilliam qu and a…. I tried to warn him via twitter but I guess I was too late

    2 pics

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Aw, Terry, no!

  • madame duran

    Trying to see if English translation is included in the tweet when I copy/paste a tweet here. If not, will edit my post to share the translation.

    English: “Extremely sad to see how people are being tortured under the pretext of religion. #skientologia #GoingClear #docventures ”

    https://twitter.com/PaiviMannikko/status/651850026549964800

  • Ella Raitch

    Where is Karin Puow?

    • anoni81b4u

      You do not have enough f ing rank to ask that question !

  • madame duran

    English: “Incredible! Now [viral].” (shows dramatic rise in Finnish tweets while “Going Clear” documentary airs in Finland)

    https://twitter.com/PinnallaFI/status/651848348849283072

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Kiitos.

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    It’s been about six months since I purchased my eBay e-meter. I think you’ll be pleased to know that I have put it to good use. (F5)

    • Missionary Kid

      Perfect. Filed under Horror Fiction, along with Steven King, even though it doesn’t deserve to share a shelf with King.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Note the wacky anime (well, Wolf Children isn’t wacky at all but still good) to the left.

        • Missionary Kid

          Maybe a clear plastic trash bin to hold the e-meter?

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            I have none that would fit on the shelf.

            • Missionary Kid

              We get the message, anyway, like the bookstore that has all of LRH’s writing in the Crime section.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Or the Fantasy section.

  • outraged

    Where IS David Miscavige?
    I think he is missing.
    Someone file a report.
    The police will investigate and Int Base will provide a photo.
    Then Karen Pouw will call us propagandists for saying DM is gone.
    And in the meantime, he is still missing.

    • Observer

      ..

      • outraged

        Miscaved looks good in a rooster suit.

  • madame duran

    1. “David Miscavige, that latter-day Saints Joseph Stalin. #docventures #skientologia #stalin #gulag ”

    https://twitter.com/thkorsten/status/651846372677828609

    2. “I do not like John Travolta and Tom Cruise any longer #skientologia #docventures ”

    https://twitter.com/DaniSaarinen/status/651843892451672065

    3. “The greedy shits. No I’m doing more. #docventures #skientologia brought all of the trouble of descent as seen in true charity. #nope…. #justnope ”

    (hey…sometimes you don’t really need a full translation. The first sentence was enough to convey this person’s feelings)

    https://twitter.com/Klintmasu/status/651842107888521220

    4. “Visit the Yes Cruisea the little I feel sorry for the whole man, brainwashed. #Docventures #skientologia ”

    https://twitter.com/hAnnamari_/status/651843912672374785

    5. ” Religion, to whom the tax exemption is a great war victory? Just. #skientologia #docventures ”

    https://twitter.com/jattajohanna/status/651842157783961601

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Scientology isn’t recognized as a religion in Finland, so while the feedback is welcome, I don’t see what good the movie would do as far as Finland goes. Sweden, on the other hand, does recognize Scientology as a religion. Show me some reaction there.

      • madame duran

        Scientology’s damage to PEOPLE and SOCIETY doesn’t depend on its religious status in a given country. Are the Finns safe from being affected by Scientology’s lies because the cult isn’t an officially recognized religion in Finland? It doesn’t matter that the membership numbers are extremely miniscule there, LIVES ARE BEING HURT whether it’s 5 people or 5 million.
        I don’t know if Going Clear will be shown in Sweden. How does one say “Scientology” in Swedish? I can look it up.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          I know it’s already been aired in Denmark. It’s called “scientologi.”

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ooohhh, which word is “shits” in Finnish? Never know when it could come in handy…

      • madame duran

        Well, “ahne” means “greedy” so that leaves the second word unaccounted for…

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Excellent. Thank you for the language lesson!

  • Acherontia

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/alex-gibney-christopher-hitchens-prize

    “Alex Gibney, Director of Going Clear, Awarded First Hitchens Prize for Journalism”

    I feel like they might not be happy about this.

    • Missionary Kid

      Sounds like they didn’t get the personal attention from Co$, the “bigots”. I’m laughing my ass off.

    • well stick that in your eye, Miscavige!

      • Missionary Kid

        Or where the sun don’t shine.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      I would retreat to the Fuhrerbunker now if I were you, Davey.

    • Susan black

      Well, I’m thrilled to hear about it. Congratulations alex gibney. RIP christopher hitchens.

    • Ella Raitch

      Good documentary film making involves rattling cages and Scientology are doing everything to make sure that their cage-rattling is nice and loud

      eta – where’s John Connolly these days? (not to be confused with novelist John Connolly)
      http://observer.com/2011/03/was-a-emvanity-fairem-editor-secretly-working-for-the-church-of-scientology/

    • outraged

      I loved reading Christopher Hitchens for years and years in Vanity Fair even though I did not always agree with him. Sadly he became very ill but he kept writing openly honestly and raw. I LOVE that Alex Gibney is getting this reward. HItchens must be cheering in heaven.

      • Missionary Kid

        Hitchens, in heaven? Surely, you jest. 😀

        • outraged

          hahaha. I did think of that. Purgatory?
          I am a nice person. Can’t help it. lol
          I like to think of Hitchens in Heaven.

          • Missionary Kid

            Not that, either. That’s a Catholic creation. His ideas live on in many of us.

            • outraged

              oh, I don’t believe in the Catholic idea of heaven.
              Or hell or purgatory.
              Just use the word as a symbol.
              In my head I see Christopher happy and laughing about the foot bullets.

            • Missionary Kid

              We can imagine him doing all sorts of things, can’t we?

      • Bernie

        I loved his article on Mother Theresa!

        • Graham

          A whole book indeed. “The Missionary Position; Mother Theresa in Theory and Practice.”

    • FollowTheMoney

      Congratulations, Alex Gibney. Yet more external validation of Mr Gibney’s stature as an eminent journalist.

    • anoni81b4u

      Gibney is getting enough trophies …
      The Hitchens award … should go to Tony Ortega for his book.
      Just saying .. Hitchens would have loved it !

    • Ella Raitch

      The Psychs! The psychs! They must be behind this!! SMERSH! SMERSH!

      Scientology must be wiiinnnnniiiinnnnnng!

    • Juicer77

      Karin Puow released a statement: “Who has ever heard of some two-bit cheap publication like Vanity Fair? For the real truth visit FreeDumbMag dot snore. And somebody get me out of the Hole the ants are biting me AIEEEEEEEEEEEE.”

  • Sebastian L. Jackson
    • Observer

      The Onion is a satire site.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        I know.

        • Observer

          Okay. Dollars to donuts CCHR swipes this concept.

  • Observer

    More Scilon feet. Look at her little toes.

    P.S. Don’t hit!

    • madame duran

      Is that a growth or a bunion on her pinkie toe (left foot)?
      I don’t feel sorry for an idiot who chooses to wear heels for 16 hours straight. I hope her feet are in pain. GET A BRAIN, YOU MORON!!!

      • Observer

        You’d think an OT would have mastery over her MEST feet.

        • madame duran

          More like a MEST hoof. Somewhere out there, there’s a horse with a fetish that would get turned on by this photo…and Jenna knows it.

          • Ella Raitch

            This horse business says something about Jenna’s wholetrack – I just know it!

            • Kestrel

              Maybe she thinks she was Catherine the Great. Too bad that’s just a rumor.

    • anoni81b4u

      Before I hit f5 I was expecting this

    • Miss Tia

      yes, that looks like a spotlight…..and a shower in the background….um? o_O

  • outraged

    People are confiding their deepest darkest secrets and Scientology openly reads these ‘private’ notes and uses them to control someone, isn’t this called blackmail?

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/theundergrondbunker/a_secret_scientology_wake_a_8216snow_white8217_link_038_more_odd_twists_emerge_in_the_cat_white_stor/#comment-2294973432

  • Cars

    Business Insider headline: Scientology members are heckling at ‘Going Clear’ screenings and targeting Oscar voters for a documentary the church is making on the film’s director http://www.businessinsider.com/scientology-members-are-heckling-at-going-clear-screenings-targeting-oscar-voters-2015-10

    Excerpts:

    The increased hostility comes at a tenuous time for the Church of Scientology, which, in addition to dealing with “Going Clear,” is in the spotlight for its association with Cathriona White, a 28-year-old Irish makeup artist and girlfriend of Jim Carrey who died of a suspected suicide Sept. 28.

    and

    If Gibney wins and is given a worldwide stage on which to speak out against the church (with Travolta, Cruise or other Hollywood Scientologists possibly sitting in the audience), it would be a public relations nightmare for the church and its leader, David Miscavige.

    “The church of Scientology stakes a claim on Hollywood, and so it’s not surprising that it would be threatened by the possibility that that community would examine the church more closely,” says Wright. “That’s what I think is causing the more feverish attention to the documentary.”

    For this reason, Rinder believes the actions by Scientology members against the documentary are being “at least approved, if not dictated” by Miscavige himself.”

  • Narapoid

    Oh my, I do not know how to screen grab and I caught “elle” admitting to Sara Northrup being a second wife to Hubbard!! Help!!

    • Observer

      PC: alt + print screen (to the right of the F keys), then open a paint document and paste
      Mac: command + shift + 3, automatically saves to your desktop

      • outraged

        Cmd shift 4

        • Observer

          I do 3, not 4

          • outraged

            I say tomatoes.

            • Observer

              I say lutefisk.

            • Narapoid

              Like the Lutefisk, got a nice meme. But Help the neophyte now… I have the screen but it wants to go to my physical printer. Save as a PDF?

            • Observer

              Can you save it as a jog or ping?

              EDIT: thanks, autocorrect. I mean jpg or png

            • Narapoid

              No, I have the whole thing on PDF

            • Narapoid

              Here’s my Lutefisk

            • Observer

              Nice!

            • Narapoid

              Thanks, after looking at the context, it could be argued that “elle” does not realize that Sara Northrup is not Polly or whatever. It is on page 54 of 57 (today) on http://www.people.com/article/cathriona-white-scientology-jim-carrey-girlfriend-death

              It starts with one of Ben Franklin’s comments on page 54 of comment section.

            • Robert Eckert

              If you go to the comment and right-click on the time-stamp (“an hour ago” or whatever it says now), choosing the option Copy URL, you can give us a link directly to what elle said.

            • salin

              Left field response.

              Lol. My Mother (1st gen. American from Norway) taught me to have a reflexively negative response to the mention of lutefisk.

              Same reflexive response – but positive- to the mention of akavit. Skall!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation American of 100% Swedish descent. My parents never mentioned it, so I had no prejudice against it. I’ll eat it, but it’s nothing special. I like pickled herring much better.

            • outraged

              what’s a lutefisk?

              edit: nevermind! I saw the definition below. lol

            • Robert Eckert

              Fish preserved in lye. Smells and tastes like Drano.

            • Sandy

              Hey now …

        • Observer

          Whoa, I did not know that. I have learned something today.

          • Cmd shift 4 gives you cross hairs on a mac so you can choose what you want to grab

            Cmd shift 4 then hit space bar to select the open app window… great for grabbing grabs in a video file, say, to make them all the same size

  • Squints

    Great comments today. As always, I am learning something new. Of course that is nothing new. I must say that I think maybe she was set up from the moment there was knowledge of her dating. Mr.. Cary. Hurts to think of the pain she must have been feeling. Can not even imagine what is going thru Mr. Cary’s mind, if he has been following The Bunker.

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      Your avatar is Sooooo Cute & Sweet! 😀

      • Sherbet

        It’s time for you to choose one, Ex-C.

        • Ex-Christian Scientist

          LOL! 😀

          • Ex-Christian Scientist

            If you mean the city… I choose Los Angeles! 😀 (I don’t really understand Disqus yet!)

          • Sherbet

            I meant choose an avatar, silly.

            • Ex-Christian Scientist

              LOL! 😀 (I’ll start thinking on that!)

        • Ex-Christian Scientist

          If you mean the city… I choose Los Angeles! 😀 (I don’t really understand Disqus yet!)

      • squints

        Well thank you. That would be Mr. Winston. My giant puggle.

    • Ella Raitch

      That is my gut feeling Squints although I am trying not to speculate ahead of the facts….so hard to keep straight what has been verified and what is just being supposed, especially given that reports from ‘sources’ that are Scientology friends should be taken with a great deal of skepticism.

  • madame duran

    Awww, man, this exchange is SWEET!! Had to share!

    1. [Cult of Scientology, Finland]: “We try to publish at the end of the week by the false allegations on the document release. #docventures ”

    https://twitter.com/SkientologiaFI/status/651857178014429184

    2. [Some Finnish person]: “@SkientologiaFI No one is interested in your lies.”

    https://twitter.com/maakopla87/status/651857425688039424
    LOL!!!! THE MESSAGE IS GETTING THROUGH!!! SHUT THAT CULT DOWN, BABY!!!!

  • outraged

    In case anyone forgot or did not know, The Underground Bunker is having it’s very first meetup somewhere in the United States, which is all I think we have agreed upon. The Howdyfest 2016 will not be in Australia.

    Now that all this great press has come maybe a Bunker Whale will appear and help fund the largest get together of Blog Commenters ever.

    • FollowTheMoney

      When have commenters agreed to meet up?

      • Kestrel

        I think all that has been agreed upon is that it would be held in the United States. Probably in the summer.

        • salin

          And that accommodations are relatively affordable, and the location is relatively accessible.

          • Kestrel

            Yes, that, too. Unless the “Bunker Whale” comes through.

            • Miss Tia

              For some reason I actually found some coinage the other day—-I rarely have cash. I have $4.65 in change. Am I a whale? I’ll spend it all on the bunker peeps!!

            • Missionary Kid

              At the least, I’d buy you a drink or dinner. Save your money.

            • Miss Tia

              But i’m rich!!! 😀 I did feel that way when I found the coins!! If only I could find some dollar bills!

            • salin

              Very True.

        • Dave In Ajax

          should be held at IRS headquarters

          • Miss Tia

            Cleveland has a beautiful Federal Reserve building!

      • Robert Eckert

        Still very preliminary. June to August next year? Many colleges have rooms for rent cheap during that time. Middle of the US somewhere? East and West coasts have nice places but that excludes people from the opposite end.

    • Missionary Kid

      Believe it or not, I’d go for Cleveland. It’s easy to get to, and Miss Tia is close by.
      I once had a stop there on a flight from L.A. to Milwaukee, believe it or not.

      • Kestrel

        Actually, Cleveland would work for me, too. I could stay at a relative’s. I should change my vote.

        • Ex-Christian Scientist

          Is there a link to where we can vote? I haven’t figured that out yet! LOL

          • Ella Raitch

            There was but it was a Facebook thing so Nat redacted it. Stay tooned.

            • Ex-Christian Scientist

              Thanx! 😀

          • Jimmy3

            Nat took it down because it was (secretly) linked to Facebook. But she said the voting was as such:

            1. LA
            2. NYC
            3. St. Louis
            4. Cleveland
            5. Cleveland?!?! WTF
            6. Seriously, how the fuck is Cleveland this high on the voting?
            7. Broken down amusement park in Rodanthe, N.C.
            8. But the Cleveland thing was a joke, right?
            9. I made up #5-8, but the #1-4 were legitimate results.

            • Miss Tia

              YEAH CLEVELAND!!!! 😀 Shorter ride, eh Jimmy?

            • Observer

              Shorter walk for sure.

            • outraged

              Cleveland it is!!!
              I get to choose, it was my idea.

              Tony can pick the month/day.

            • Always Amazed

              Never been to Cleveland, sounds fun to me!

            • Missionary Kid

              Look, I spent a year in Turlock, CA one summer in 1960, away from my friends when I was 15, and it was even more of a farming town than it is now (Can you say 106F, with more humidity than where I live now?). I survived that, and I also spent 2 years in Pensacola in the Marines in the middle of the 60s. Summers there SUCK with the heat and humidity, especially if officially, you have to wear your woolen greens because the official date for summer wear hasn’t come yet. Those two are far worse than Cleveland.

              If Cleveland weather’s bad, there’s still Bunker members to have fun with.

            • Miss Tia

              it might rain one day, but if we had it in june, the temps would be perfect…..and yes—-bunkerites galore! we’re not going for the weather, but for the bunker!

            • Jimmy3

              What Tia said. If this is a summer event (I don’t know or haven’t read about any suggested dates), the weather is fine here. We do get thunderstorms off the lake, but usually after it’s been nice all day.

            • Miss Tia

              we’re talking june now as cleveland would be spiffy for the repub convention in july (which IIRC is july 18-21)….june weather would be perfect temp wise….

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, avoiding the convention is a good call. I’m still kinda surprised Cleveland is even being considered. I thought NYC for sure. But I should be able to make it wherever it is, so I don’t have an opinion. Cleveland would be sweet tho.

            • Miss Tia

              i was seriously surprised when they got the convention! i can only go if it’s within 15 hrs driving….

            • Robert Eckert

              “I spent a year in Turlock, CA one summer” I spent a couple years in Oakland one month.

            • Missionary Kid

              At least, in Oakland, if you’re a kid, public transit will take you to Berkley or San Francisco. I was trapped, but eventually, I made some friends while I was there.

      • Miss Tia

        Hey you know what, I was looking at meeting places today online!!! 🙂 Also was jotting down fun things…..they have discount river cruises on the goodtime III; great lakes brewery is in the historic power house building; rock hall has group discount passes if people wanted to go there; there are a lot of restaurants; things are in walking distance of the building at CSU that had the cheapest rates to stay at—-i also started to look at some other places downtown to stay at……there’s really something for anyone’s interest…..i almost started to make calls!!!

        • Missionary Kid

          Cleveland can have some lousy weather because of the lake effect, but if the meet-up is done in the spring or fall, the weather would probably be best. Is that right, MT?

          • Miss Tia

            Summer would be FINE. June would have great weather—also the city would be very spiffy for the repub convention in july (i think 18-21 of july)…..if i had made calls today i was gonna ask for june and suggest they could practice on us for the repub convention 😉

            • Frodis73

              I can go with you to help scope out CSU. So excited this might really happen!!

            • Miss Tia

              I would be scoping out more than CSU…..i have a list of places i was looking at online today, which i’d narrow down before…..i’d also WALK from CSU to other venues to determine the feasibility—i am sure it’s fine, i’d like to state that it IS that though from personal experience……that’d also give me an idea time wise if we booked a place how long it might take us…..i also know some people who work at a couple places i am sure people would want to go see and i’d drop in to see what they could do for us—discount, special arrangements, etc…..

              i seriously probably think too much about things……but i’d rather be thorough than leave something amiss…..

          • Kestrel

            The winds off the lake in spring can be chilly. I went to an Indians game at the start of the season in the old stadium (Municipal?) and thought I was going to freeze to death. Summer would be better.

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, i just posted probably while you were typing this….summer would be fine….

            • salin

              Don’t know Cleveland, but southern Michigan and central Indiana.. June is usually nice. July and August can be humidity-heat traps.

        • Missionary Kid

          If I drove, I’d be stopping at airports on the way, and afterwards go to Oshkosh for Airventure (fly-in) afterwards.

      • Miss Tia

        CLE is about 15 minutes from downtown, at the most. The also have a RTA rapid line at CLE that’ll get you downtown in about 20 minutes.

      • outraged

        I vote for Cleveland. Have a cousin there where I could stay.
        And I don’t think it is a very expensive city and supposedly very nice.
        I’ll contact my contacts. Maybe we can find a warehouse or something.

        • Miss Tia

          It’s not an expensive city. I started looking at meeting places today, as I mention below. I would assume and hope, it’s not going to be hours and hours of ‘conferences’, so perhaps a couple ad hoc places. That’s what I was thinkering as I looked and took notes today, though didn’t make any calls—-yet.

    • Ella Raitch

      Someone come up with a business plan for Global Capitalism HQ (I jest)

    • Narapoid

      HowdyCon:)

    • Juicer77

      We should pool our Big Pharma checks.*snort*

  • I know Cars posted the link to Rinder’s newest blog post earlier, but I just want to remind everyone that
    Mike Rinder is a former Commanding Officer OSA Int, so he knows what he is talking about. Definitely.

    Going Clear Paranoia
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/going-clear-paranoia/

    Snip:

    “Contacting Academy Members to try and influence them not to vote for Going Clear is such typical ham-fisted Miscavige “PR”.

    He never ceases to amaze. HBO should send him a large fruit basket when Going Clear is nominated. And they should take out a full page as in the NY Times thanking him for his contribution if it wins Best Documentary.

    And if it does win, and I get a chance to say anything about it, I
    will personally thank him and Tom Cruise for making it all possible.”

    • Observer

      Miscavige would go up in a sheet of flame.

      • Miss Tia

        TOT: mewog said she’d check in some time and make sure she said hi to you! 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      I hope their Gibney documentary is out in time for next year’s Oscar qualification. Because it would balance out the field, and it would who the fuck am I kidding I can’t even finish this sentence without laughing

      • salin

        Belly laughing with you.

      • I would really like that, but will it feature any happy Ex Sci?

      • It won’t be complete with an on-camera interview of Karin explaining how frustrating it was to work with Alex when it came to fact checking.

        “We kept flooding him with extraneous data points and all he wanted to focus on was this ephemeral, moralistic concept of truth. Why wouldn’t he listen to these other things we were trying to tell him? Didn’t he know that not listening to us just made us spend money on postage for letters that could have been spent printing more copies of The Way to Happiness we could have printed to sell to have handed out for free?”

    • I got lost down a different rabbit hole and found this gem about Wright’s fact checking adventures … http://observer.com/2013/01/cant-handle-the-truth-how-a-new-yorker-reporter-and-a-team-of-fact-checkers-took-on-the-church-of-scientology/

  • outraged

    Alrightie!!!!
    Miss Tia and I agreed!
    We will meetup in Cleveland, Ohio.
    2016

    Our blessed proprietor will pick the month and day.
    We will BYOB.The Bunker Whale will fi(u)nd the venue.

    • Miss Tia

      we agreed? o_O don’t get me wrong, i’m all for it and i already started prelim planning today—-just for estimate purposes and to see what could be done, etc…..

      so um, yeah, i have started planning……re: venue, as i said in a reply to ya below, i don’t think we all want to sit somewhere all day for hours and a couple ad hoc places would probably work best—which was the theory i was working off of today…..but the CSU rooms were the cheapest to stay at……

      i would suggest june……

      • outraged

        Yes!!
        But we have to clear this with Tony.
        He may be in Australia or Germany or somewhere else.

        • Miss Tia

          of course our proprietor has to approve…..but i could arrange things, get things sorted and set up for people to plan travel/costs (which of course i would keep budget friendly) in a short amount of time…..i’d go personally recce everything too in advance before to make the best places were found for us…..for some reason i like planning and organizing things…..

          • outraged

            Yay! Let me know what I can do. Delegate!
            I have close cousins who live there.

            • Miss Tia

              well firstly, we sit tight and wait for our proprietor to yeah or nay……then if we get a yeah i’ll go personally recce stuff within 24 hours of his okay to get places sorted out…..delegating things would come closer to howdycon time and i most certainly would do that!!

            • outraged

              It’s Howdycon? lol
              Where did the name come from…
              I said Howdyfest. l couldn’t remember the right name.
              going to edit my post….

            • Miss Tia

              Tony said HowdyCon, it’s perfect……

            • outraged

              it’s perfect.

            • Robert Eckert

              “I said Howdyfest” Close enough for Cleveland!

  • STOP PRESS…. this just in (maybe)
    pic

    • outraged

      You could not make this stuff up.
      You’ve got to be kidding me.

    • Miss Tia

      wait, that’s a different headline than what’s on dlisted….o_O the article looks the same though…

    • Always Amazed

      Randy Quaid appears!! Oh this is good, I wondered what ever happened to this story. thanks Lush.

    • Lulz

    • Ella Raitch

      Priceless!

    • Cars

      Here you go…

      CBC news (Montreal) headline: Randy Quaid arrested again in Montreal
      Actor had been free under certain conditions after being arrested last spring

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/randy-quaid-arrested-again-in-montreal-1.3260479

      • Miss Tia
        • Cars

          Makes sense. Nothing about scientology was ever mentioned in any CBC news stories, AFAIK. Thanks.

        • outraged

          I wonder if that someone has a lush in their name.

          • Miss Tia

            ahhhhhh…..didn’t think of that!!! d’oh!!

            • in my defence i did add ‘(maybe)’…. but the initial lulz were worth it… I hope

            • outraged

              Definitely worth it!!

    • salin

      Spectacle.

    • Mickey Bitsko

      It’s been a long time since they were photographed sans S&M gear. And thank gawd for that!

      First time poster btw. I suppose that makes me a hatchling? 😉

      • salin

        Makes you a subject of: Welcome to the commenting side of the UB!

        • Mickey Bitsko

          Thanks. I’ve been reading this excellent site since it started, and was a big fan of Mr Ortega’s work at the Village Voice.

          • salin

            You are a veteran reader. Glad you felt the pull to become a part of the Ortege Reporting commentary conversation.

      • Lurkness

        Kudos and welcome!

      • Juicer77

        Welcome!

    • there’s probably quite a bit of truth in this made up story anyway …. pic

      • Mickey Bitsko

        Being that this concerns Canada, I read “After reading aboutOT…” as “aboot OT.”

        Apologies to Canadians for that hoary joke. Full disclosure: All of my grandparents were from Montreal.

        • I saw the typo after but thought bollocks… too annoying to fix

          • Mickey Bitsko

            “ps we got arrested by an actual tall midget.” But enough about PM Stephen Harper…

            I’ll see myself out.

  • outraged
    • Missionary Kid

      Gee, look at all the bids.

      • Miss Tia

        shit, i can’t use my $4.65 to bid!!

      • outraged

        They’re breaking the doors down.

    • Ella Raitch

      That’s a bargain because we know that pound for pound there is far more punctuation in the earlier editions

      • Missionary Kid

        You gonna bid?

        • Dave In Ajax

          I would buy if it was flyonthewalls auction

        • Ella Raitch

          Damn damn damn – it’s local pick up!

      • Dave In Ajax

        penny per word

      • Especially those weighty semi-colons.

    • Nat-leficent
    • The auction is over-0 bids.

      • Missionary Kid

        LRH’s words aren’t even good enough for toilet paper. One’s butt would probably end up black from the print coming off.

  • salin

    O/T. Auroras are active in North Norway tonight. Sky cam from Tromoso Norway.

    http://www.virtualtromso.no/en/northern-lights/138-live-northern-lights-activity-and-forecast.html

  • Nat-leficent

    Results from morning in map form (result of three hours of voting with 65 total votes: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c8491cda53f7283490373b58463812618ebafcd6db23cf5bde7f4b92eb0512c.png

    • Jimmy3

      This is bullshit. I vote for “middle of Atlantic Ocean” several times and it doesn’t even show on the map.

      • Nat-leficent

        Whatevs Aquaman

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      It’s Los Angeles! 😀

    • So Montana it is.

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        LOL! 😀

      • Dave In Ajax

        lol

      • Dave In Ajax

        I hope joe is there

    • salin

      Interesting.

    • I’ve been engaged in heavy Elle duty and apparently missed on the topic. Anything fun that I should be disappointed in missing since I’m not allowed in any of the places shown in red?

    • Lurkness

      Guess LA will now have the honorific of the greatest concentration of SP’s on earth.

    • Jimmy3

      The Eastern Coast looks like a sore dick-. Bob Duggan.
      Cheer up, Bob.

      • Nat-leficent

        Your words are poetry, Jimmy Threetimes.

        • Jimmy3

          Thank you. I am published in several bathroom stalls.

          • Nat-leficent

            You should do a stall tour.

          • outraged

            self-published?

          • B4you

            As Jimmy Threesome 🙂

    • It looks like three choices for Ohio. I see Cleveland and Cincinnati, but what’s the other one?

      • Robert Eckert

        Toledo.

  • Nat-leficent

    I am reposting the link if you want to vote and have not already. It may or may not connect to facebook so log out of fb before voting if that concerns you.

    http://www.poll-maker.com/poll437967xeEE34E6A-17?s=res

    • Frodis73

      I think we should vote for a couple more days…I didn’t even see this poll and I bet I’m not the only one. I did hear people talking about a poll but I assumed they were talking about the informal one on discuss. Maybe it was just me having a blonde moment. Lol.

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        I was having a blonde moment as well! 🙂

    • outraged

      Can you vote more than once?

      edit: ruh roh, you can!!

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      That must be what happened to me ….Sorry, I saw my Facebook picture at the end.

  • Dave In Ajax

    OT wholly cow the cubbies win

    • Nat-leficent

      It’s a sign to hold Howdycon in Chicago

      • Dave In Ajax

        love Chicago, very much like Toronto 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        or at least, Pittsburgh is out of the running?

        • Dave In Ajax

          they done, Crosby and malkin pinch hitted in the 9th

        • outraged

          I would go to Pittsburgh.

          • Robert Eckert

            Pittsburgh’s one of my favorite places.

      • salin

        Nat knock Indy out of the choices. I made a good enough case per centrality and cost that it became part of the conversation. I think I am the solo hoosier active bunkeroo. That narrows the choice by one city.

      • skiesareblue

        Chicago is central, Tony likes it and they have an awesome Art Gallery.

        • QbirdSP

          oh yes! and don’t forget ‘the bean’! Chicago is fun.

      • I love Chicago. Art. Music. Science. FOOD! GAWDAMMIT AHM HONGERY!!!!!!

      • jazzlover

        Rangers smack down Black Hawks. New York it is 🙂

      • Missionary Kid

        I like Chicago, but it’s far more expensive, as is most larger cities. I’m cheap.
        I even lived there as a kid, over 60 years ago. I still have one relative that lives close by.

        • Lurkness

          We have inexpensive to cheap University housing options that we found there too.

          • Miss Tia

            I think MK is meaning, and I could be wrong, food/entertainment/etc while there…..

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. Chicago has great ethnic food, but I’ll bet that Cleveland has that, too. I’d go to the RnR museum. Usually, even the history museums have a lot to offer, too.

            • Missionary Kid

              When I was a kid, about 7 years old in Chicago, I was at perhaps the Shedd Aquarium, where there was an exhibit of electric eels. It was a humid day, and water had condensed on the outside of the glass on the tank. I touched the glass, trying to get closer, and got zapped by the eel. It wasn’t serious enough to knock me out, but it was enough to feel like I’d been hit with something or stung be a bee.

            • Miss Tia

              Yeah, cleveland has a lot of ethnic food…..r&r museum is right down on the lake…..if anyone feels inclined to gamble, there’s the casino downtown too…..

    • Miss Tia

      CUBS WIN CUBS WIN!!!!!

    • Mickey Bitsko

      In “Back To The Future II,” the Cubbies sweep the Series, against Miami, in 2015. Hmmm…

    • Missionary Kid

      As much as I’d favor some of the other teams, I’d like to see the Cubbies win the world series. They’ve been left out too long. Can you imagine how nuts the north side of Chicago would go?

      • Miss Tia

        There’d be a chick on Robinette Ct in Akron whooping it up too!! 😀 I’d pay my neighbors back for all the Cleveland team shit I’ve had to hear thru the years!!

  • salin

    Hey miss Tia,

    Heart hitting 200 is becoming regular. 🙂

    • Miss Tia

      yeah!!!!

  • salin

    We could skype 🙂

  • Frodis73

    I thought we were focusing on the middle to be more fair for travel. I’d love to go to LA again if I could.

    • outraged

      We cannot have HowdyCon in LA.

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, if anywhere in CA it would have to be his stomping grounds, not LA.

  • daisy

    no that it is not busy maybe someone could explain how the phrase YSCOBH came about.

    • Dave In Ajax

      the bunker is like scientology, there are a ton of phrases I see here that I don’t understand, so who is gonna publish the bunker dictionary

    • It’s HB, not BH.

      • daisy

        TANK-YOU ALL and good night

        • Ex-Christian Scientist

          Good Night, Daisy! 😀

      • Dave In Ajax

        depends where you live, in Quebec its boulevard hollywood

    • It’s a Miscavism. He loves to rage and rant at his underlings. You Suck Cocks On Hollywood Boulevard is from a text message series to Tommy Davis during the time Tommy and Rinder were tailing John Sweeney if I’m not mistaken. If I knew how to search the site for it I would. Anybody?

    • salin

      Watch the second John Sweeny Panorama videos. I think it was texted to a colleague, with Mike Rinder cc’ during the taping of the first Sweey Scientology expose.

    • I belive the series included the famous YSYSYSYSYSYSYSYS acronym from that unfortunate communique as well.

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      I know Tony did a story where you could read all those horrific emails DM was sending to MR and TD, but I can’t seem to find it right now… Maybe somebody knows the link to that story?

    • Ella Raitch

      And let’s not forget CICS

  • why a I fascinated by Scientology?

    For many of the same reasons I was fascinated by Morton Downey Jr. and Jerry Springer.

    • And movies so bad they are entertaining.

      • Juicer77

        Hear, hear!

  • Frodis73

    Don’t worry, I won’t be able to do LA, financially or logistically.

    • Miss Tia

      then we shall have POX fest!!

      • Frodis73

        Hell yes!!

        • Miss Tia

          we’d have to march thru the student center plaza like soldiers for one thing ! ☺

  • Cars

    Lawrence Wright and Alex Gibney referencing the Huffington Post article with Karin Pouw’s statement – …Scientology spokesperson Karin Pouw described claims of a campaign against the movie as “yet another publicity stunt by Alex Gibney to try to get an award.”

    “We know Alex Gibney is obsessed with his awards, but we aren’t,” Pouw wrote. “We wouldn’t even know who the Academy members are. This only proves he can dish it out, but can’t take it.”
    https://twitter.com/lawrence_wright/status/651911845217865728

    https://twitter.com/alexgibneyfilm/status/651951622029881344

    https://twitter.com/lawrence_wright/status/651912547579228160

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Funny, the official L Ron Hubbard site has an entire page crowing about the Master’s awards.

      http://www.lronhubbard.org/awards-and-recognitions.html

      • QbirdSP

        Nope. not gonna go to link a COS webpage. I’ve seen enough their trophies & certs, without giving them a stat hit. Bust up that damn link some, Mickey Bitsko. Yeah – red X it.

    • salin

      Irony alert. Look at the second quote. Not obsessed with awards. Except for big saccharine awards with gaudy trophies not for accomplishments, but for the size of the IAS donation.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Love the Ed Wood reference. So perfect!

      • Mickey Bitsko

        Now I’m going to have nightmares about David Miscavige in a cashmere sweater. <>

        • scottmercer

          Have some respect, man. I mean to Ed Wood. Ed loved angora, not cashmere.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          It’s angora, sweetheart. ; )

  • salin

    I meant we could have a Midwest gathering… And remote in to the west coast. Worse case scenario.

  • Lurkness

    Wow, Cars! Good stuff. Looking at Rinder’s too, plus HuffPo, Vanity Fair and THR — Miscavige is having a real meltdown tonight in responding to their articles. Even sending unsolicited follow ups. Alonzo posted this one over at Rinder’s from Vanity Fair.

    Alonzo

    More choice quotes from Scientology’s “media center” appeared in a vanityfaircom article today called “Inside the Fascinating Oscar-Season Subplot Involving Scientology”

    …”When VFcom reached out for comment, Scientology’s media center said, “This is yet another publicity stunt by Alex Gibney to influence awards voting by spinning legitimate criticism of his one-side propaganda. . .Since we found out about a year ago that Alex Gibney had done a film on Scientology, we have been aggressively answering the false allegations in his film because he never presented us with a single one of these lies before release.” [Editor’s note: This directly contradicts claims in the documentary.]

    “In an unsolicited follow-up e-mail, Scientology’s media center said, “Leave it to Vanity Fair to serve as one of Gibney’s go-to publication because it continues to carry water for him in ways I have never seen before. Where is your objectivity?”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/10/oscar-season-alex-gibney-scientology

    Best of all, Hollywood sees and reads THR and Vanity Fair!

    • Cars

      What I find so interesting are all the different “Karin Pouw” socks spokespersons making statements and rebuttals today. It’s so obvious from tone, language use, references, etc. that different people are using that ‘nom de guerre’ to issue statements. Mike Rinder can usually tell when it’s Miscavige himself.

      • Lurkness

        DM definitely–even first person: “Leave it to Vanity Fair to serve as one of Gibney’s go-to publication because it continues to carry water for him in ways I have never seen before. Where is your objectivity?”

        • Cars

          Good catch! I don’t think I’ve ever seen first person used before in an official statement. Hmmm…

          • Lurkness

            So much screaming and slapping going on, likely hard to keep the pretenses straight.

    • scottmercer

      “Foot, allow me to introduce Bullet. Bullet, please make the acquaintance of Foot.”

      “We’ve already met.”

  • Nat-leficent

    It won’t be in LA

    • Miss Tia

      i was warming up to the idea of tiafest 😉 oh wait, i think i do that every time i sit up front in the street in the sun, reading a book and see the BLIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I’m easy to please 🙂

  • So scientology tried to influence kids through Muppet Babies and Super Friends…. new AOL video just out

    http://www.aol.co.uk/2015/10/07/do-scientologists-rule-hollywood/

    • Tony Ortega

      One of the least informative stories I’ve seen for a major pub in a long time. Absolutely no sense of recent history of the church.

      • Robert Eckert

        It did tell me one thing I didn’t know: I had no idea AOL still existed!

        • scottmercer

          AOL UK for that matter.

  • Wishing stats-free Thursday to all.

  • Mickey Bitsko

    Well, gotta scoot. Thanks for the welcoming comments, folks. Btw, the only person I know who has been in Scientology is my friend Billy, who spent most of the 1970’s and 80’s cult-hopping. Somewhere between Eckankar and EST, the Scientologists threw him out for, in BIlly’s words, “being broke.” I assume he means monetarily. 😉

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s all about the money.

    • Ella Raitch

      Lucky Billy

  • Jimmy3

    Guy walks into a bar and says, “I’ll have the David Miscavige special.” He pays for his drink and turns to walk away when the bartender says,”You’re short.”

    Guy says, “BULLSHIT! THAT IS, WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, CLEARLY BULLSHIT!!! I am, as a point of fact, several orders of magnitude taller than what can only be described as an unprecedented amount of average height. And, moreover, and more to the point, I am not fucking short!!! Henceforth!!!”

    The guy grabs a nearby bottle and smashes it in half on the counter. He wields it as if it is a dagger. “By way of example, at this moment in present time, the matter at hand is that I have an overwhelming, stratospheric urge to slice you right now, hereafter and in sequence.”

    Bartender says, “What the hell, man? I meant you’re short a dollar.”

    • Missionary Kid

      Good one.

      • Jimmy3

        I went back at looked at your drinking game list. Thanks

    • scottmercer

      To further explain this joke, please welcome, Mr. Dan Sherman.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      You left out peckerhead.

      Bartender says, “What the hell, you little peckerhead? I meant you’re short a dollar.”

      Otherwise, very funny joke. You were probably just trying to be family friendly and that is very commendable.

  • Lurkness

    “We know Alex Gibney is obsessed with his awards, but we aren’t,” Pouw-Miscavige wrote.

    Meanwhile, back at Scientology HQ and the LRH Life Exhibition:

    “To date, L. Ron Hubbard has received recognitions and awards totaling 5,127 … ” (refresh)

  • Susie Serve

    May I ask a few questions of those who know much more about Scientologists than I? Here goes:…Who do you think is feeding mainstream media these stories about Cathriona White? It reeks of deflection to me. Could public relations workers within the fold itself be responsible for striving to paint various different pictures, i.e. she was dumped by “the dreadful” Jim Carrey, she tried suicide before, her mother is at fault – every day a new twist? Several comments that I have sent in to one newspaper have been moderated into oblivion, and my common sense says that it is because I recommend that their readers investigate The Underground Bunker, or I have simply suggested, without any specific references, trying to make a comment that is not rejected, that people do their own research about Scientology, with no mention of specific nefarious facts. Even the most “politically correct” of my comments have been completely quashed. Who is controlling the so-called freedom of the press? How long is the reach of the fucking shut ’em up arm? I am personally aware of the dangerousness, the menacing and the violence practiced by this group and would write more, but am uncertain that it is even safe to do so; I don’t want to risk damage to my family just because I would be revolutionary and speak up against big guns. People are almost completely distracted by all of the media embellishments, and once again, as is so often the case, the truer details are overlooked. What could be so simple, to remove the tax exempt status of this organization and begin to destroy the money train, how come this appears to be a task that no one dares to accomplish? As a student of history, it is incomprehensible to me that we the people would rather sleep and ignore abominable and inhumane behavior, in the name of religion and to allow history to repeat itself over and over again, dolled up in its various costcostumes and jargon, with indifference as our disease. How dangerous is it for the average Joe or Josephine to speak out and take measures, regarding Scientology? Any answers or insights to my several questions will be very appreciated.

    • scottmercer

      Scientology itself feeding material to Sci-friendly “safepointed” reporters or people (not Scientologists) paid big money by Scientology. Tony would know. He had the story about the Vanity Fair reporter befriending Paulette Cooper as recently as four years ago. He was working for Scientology. (Again, not a Scientologist, but taking bribes from them.)

      • Susie Serve

        Yes. This is how it works , eh? Just like how so many of our dead and undead presidents have swung it. I really appreciate these details of confirmation you’ve provided, helping me to see that I am only learning by instinct what you and many others here know by experience and have recognized for a long time. In the early 1980s in Portland, Oregon, a friend and I were nearly knocked off the sidewalk into the street by three suit and tie bedecked Scientologists who were walking abreast and inappropriately aggressively. It was like encountering vipers. Their storefront headquarters was in our neighborhood, and they held a big celebrity-attended protest in our little park once, right across the street from my friend’s restaurant/nightclub. He always said thank goodness none of them ever came goosestepping into his club, because their egoism was a dark force that he could not welcome. Greasers of the wheel, one might say.

    • QbirdSP

      May I ask, where were you “moderated into oblivion”?

      • Susie Serve

        London Daily Mail

    • Ella Raitch

      Understand your frustration and great rant! Welcome to the comments here.

      Of course we can only speculate (and you can tell by the number of comments on the articles Tony posts every day that we love to do that). Personally, when I read comments that blame the mother or talk of an earlier suicide I tend to be sceptical. It is entirely possible that the poor girl had a less than happy home life, but we also know that Scientology has a long history of “dead-agenting” which is the term they give to the type of PR campaign you are describing. So yes, newspapers being fed dodgy information which they print in the race to get a juicy deadline – entirely plausible.

      As to the moderation – who can say. I have been blocked by the Hollywood Reporter for some reason, but I really don’t think there is a person who hasdeliberately decided that lil’ ol’ me shouldn’t be able to post there. In this case I think there is some glitch, maybe related to me trying to post a link or image at some time….I could sort it out one day if I can be bothered. As for the Daily Mail? I don’t know, but I would expect they are click-driven so wouldn’t give a hoot if their commenters were saying critical things about Scientology, within their guidelines for taste etc. There always seem to be critical comments when I look at them.

      Re: tax exempt status – you’re talking about a process that would take a decade or more once all appeals and political interference was played out. It will require a politician/public servant to dedicate their career to spearheading the process and be prepared to be forever harangued by Scientology. Politicians and public servants tend to be risk-averse (although the occasional crusaders do come along – thank you Australian Senator Nick Xenophon). Of course, increasing public demands for action would tend to change this risk formula.

      The good news is that 2015 has been a year like no other for criticism and bad PR for the cult. Their membership is dropping and their access to new recruits is virtually non-existent in the English speaking world (Cathriona White is one of the notable exceptions).

      As for personal danger – take the normal precautions you would take on the internet to protect your identity and your network connections. There are plenty of greater headaches for the cult than nosy never-ins who prattle about on the fringes of the internet.

      • Susie Serve

        Thank you for clarifying many of my questions and adding more food for thought. Daily Mail does let in some unflattering, brief and uncontemplative comments about Scientology, more along the lines of somewhat illiterate scandal-mongering, a few raindrops amidst the flood of more usual submissions , which range from callous to kind and focus on suicide or Jim Carrey or even what a “failure” Cathriona must have been, since she offed herself, all the way up to ” stop these nonstop articles, leave her family to grieve in peace, she was never FAMOUS, so shutup already.” It is this fallow, shallow field that rankled me to urge the commenters to investigate
        genuine information about Scientology rather than standing around in herds bleating at one another.

        As to being an insignificant cipher nowhere-woman and never-in with barely a pot to piss in, you are so right, it’s still working after all these years of adventure, so what me worry? There is no us and them, just one infinite oui.

        • Ella Raitch

          Susie I didn’t mean to make it sound like there was nothing that can be done!

          Many of us chat here every day, learning more and supporting the proprietor who is the go-to journalist for all things Scientology. While you sound despondent at the commentary in the DM, we have all been delighted here that just about everyone is referencing Tony as the Scientology expert, so people who are interested to find out more are getting links and clear direction about where to get more information.

          Anyone with an internet connection can participate in the Red X campaign to flag as inappropriate the predatory and misleading ads that Scientology are using on Craigslist to get people in.

          People do write to their elected representatives and governance bodies to complain about Scientology’s actions, requesting action against their tax exemptions,

          Some of us at different times contribute to GoFundMe or Kickstarter campaigns that are adding to the effort.

          You can tweet and retweet relevant information – post things on Facebook.

          It looks like Anonymous are planning a day of protest against Scientology in February – which would be a real hoot if you were close by any of the organised venues.

          So yes – an insignificant (hardly!) woman without a pot to piss in can make a difference – with the rest of us – even if some days the best we can do is commiserate with the ex-Scientologists amongst us who are disconnected from family, or lost decades to the cult. At least we can be here to bear witness (something that exes may not be able to get in real life due to the humiliation and isolation they feel when leaving).

    • Juicer77

      Welcome! Ella Raitch said things very well just now…

    • PappeKak

      Yep.

  • Gus Cox

    Interesting how many GO people, who were supposedly expelled from Scientology (Scientology’s line being that those break-ins and dirty tricks were performed by “rogues” who were subsequently expelled) ended up working at Scientologist-owned businesses – particularly DM&A. Spanky Taylor’s husband Norman Taylor, a GO guy, also worked there. Henning Heldt, I think Dave Lantz, etc. etc. Expelled my ass, they were given cushy jobs.

  • romanesco

    Just saying…

    I HATE Disqus with a fiery passion.

    That is all.

    • Juicer77

      Here you go (F5)

      • romanesco

        Tyvm. Now, if only the stupid motherfuckers provided a way of sending feedback. But nooooo.

  • SP Wogsy

    Who blasts people like this on FB . It’s disgusting . F5

    • Juicer77

      Priest/penitent confession privacy? Nope.
      Exhibit A.

      • PappeKak

        Hmm. Camel toe reg tech? AKA whateverittakes?

        • PappeKak

          But I wax cynical.

          • PappeKak

            Shoe/foot fetish is covered, too. Just saying.

            • Juicer77

              You are a strange bird, but I like you, PK. 🙂

            • MostEthicalPimp

              They’ll get me back if they use the G/G fethish against me.

        • Ella Raitch

          I scrolled up to look…what is wrong with me?????

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Using public shaming and peer pressure to get people on the bridge! How Ethical!

      • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

        …You mean that doesn’t work well? Not even in Scio-land?

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I didn’t say it didn’t work.

          • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

            I’d recommend that the guy avoid Facebook altogether for his personal safety and well-being. Also, he should avoid further contact with the plague that is the co$

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Nay, all he needs to do is join SPs’r’Us on facebook. They’ll usually disconnect and msg others Scins to disconnect.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              She wants him to come get himself back into the bridge climbing – or so I thought that’s what the sign indicated, maybe I’m confused?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Yes, but the group SP’r’Us is like Scientology kryptonite! It tells clams you’re an active SP!

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              I’d rather get my leg caught in a bear trap, then have to cut the leg off with a rusty spork than deal with facebook.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I get the feeling your a very private person!

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              My mom is on facebook, along with some other family and lots of family friends. And I attempted to get into facebook years ago only to realize that if I wanted to get in touch with old friends or hang out with them I wouldn’t have stopped talking to them in he first place.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I think I need more new friends so I stop trying to hang out with the old ones.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              If your old friends are scio’s I’d have to concur with that assessment. It’s difficult to go out and find a new group to socialize with in person, once you get to adulthood. I imagine it’s worse if one lives in rural areas or are part of a very closed-off community, like some of the very extreme conservative Christian churches/ .

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I haven’t hung out with Scio’s since high school.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              Well why shouldn’t you continue trying to hang out with your old friends? Is it just that you like variety and can’t see yourself settling down with just one friend and only one friend for as long as you both live? Or are you just tired of having to clean up after the depends leak, especially when it’s not your shift anymore but the person assigned to relieve you is hours late?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Okay, not on the same page marriage is a different type of friendship then I’m talking about. (Which if anyone is curious I’m not against.) This is getting a bit too personal. https://disqus.com/home/channel/bjornschannelofnonsequitur/

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              So a colleague and I were talking about the impact of religious groups like fundamentalists and/or cults, including the co$ impact how much education that a kid gets while in and if they end up running to the opposite side of the planet to get free are they likely to pursue additional education. Where would you fall in these matters?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I live way too close to where I grew-up. As far as education. I wonder if I wouldn’t have benefited from special help for say dyslexia or some thing.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              My mom taught in LAUSD and they managed to always mess around with the programs offered to students, although they eliminated bilingual ed entirely they decided to push the learning disabled-supportive programs onto privately operated campuses – but if you can read this site and all you should be ok. 😉

            • MostEthicalPimp

              My big problem is more the spelling of the words and not missing some of them! Probably the biggest problem with going to Scientology Schools isn’t the teaching but the fact that all to most of your potential friends are Scientologists.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              True. I think that one of the best things about what we’ve developed as far as technology is the capacity for making the tedious grammar/spelling/math we have to do every day an easy process when one has the tech to do it with.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              Just need a good dictionary available to be accessed by a spell check or auto correct function and a thesaurus.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          You have any idea what Nat was talking about?

          • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

            No, I actually don’t!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I went back two days and read all you comments. I couldn’t see how what you said was self conflicting.

            • PantalonesDeLaJusticia

              Neither could I, although I admit I was busy today and have been distracted so hopefully I didn’t miss something – disqus is eating some of the sub-thread comments I could have sworn I made.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Self-conflicting statements aren’t the only way people can tell someone is lying.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              It was hard to see how she would have been lying since it was pretty much just opinion. I just don’t like it if someone calls someone else a liar without being wililng to back it up. I understand Nat is upset with Me and Pantalones because we derail… She could also learn to use the hide – dash in the upper left of every comment.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Pretty sure Nat knows how to use the dash to collapse comments. At this point, I’d say some of us are more interested in seeing PdlJ’s next repetition of her earlier avatar’s behavior.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I missing data here

            • Robert Eckert

              She said she posted a picture of her dog.

    • Newiga

      They forgot to add “STOP ignoring our phone calls!!11!!!!”

    • Jimmy3

      I can be your Kevin, pretty crazy lady. I will go to your bridge or whatever.

    • Miss Tia

      that’s like that pix tony had with the window sign for someone!!

    • Observer

      I hate her shoes.

      • B4you

        I’ll bet you do! 🙂

    • Snippy_X

      Fun ransom note. Kevin, kidnap yourself, pay ransom, take bridge total freedom, repeat.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Thursday, 08 October 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Monday 5th: New York leads just-made-it Philadelphia, Hello Philly!
    Tuesday 6th: Boston leads SFBay
    Wednesday 7th: LA & Philly scraped in to save the day.

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Shione by Thienbao enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16723321526/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Miss Tia

    my sleep’s pretty fuckered for reasons unknown, but DAMN, look to the east and you’ll see venus shining bright this morning!!! i can see it thru the tree branches and the sliver of the moon…..i don’t feel like going outside and wandering up around the corner to take pix—well i sort of do, but i haven’t had 2 cups of coffee yet…..

    • MostEthicalPimp

      do it. I’m a city dweller so I can’t see it

      • Miss Tia

        now my tree branches are blocking it fully…..alright….finished 2nd cup of coffee…..in bathrobe, will travel….

      • Miss Tia

        didn’t have to go that far….just went down 4 houses to the corner of robinette and luedella…..taken with zero zoom to show how bright it is….obviously venus is the bright dot to the lower left of the moon…..

        http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/misstia/5549708/937952/937952_600.jpg

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I’m going out side but there is a mountain to the east.

          • Miss Tia

            depending how high up the moon is for you, yeah, the mountain might block it……hope you can see it though!!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              🙁 So double thanks for the PHOTO!

            • Miss Tia

              oh that sucks!!

        • Juicer77

          Ooooo shineee 🙂 PS My sleep has been screwed up lately, too. It’s the blood moon, I tells ya!! LOL

          • Miss Tia

            sometimes my sleep is fuckered with a full moon, but that’s ovah…..i keep waking up around 4am-ish and not really being able to go back to sleep for the past week or so…..annoying as fuck…..can’t figure out what’s causing it….needs to stop!!!

    • Sergeant Pepper

      My attempt a pics failed, but it was worth getting out of bed for.

  • B4you

    Saw this downthreath:

    John McGhee B4you • 16 hours ago

    It says on the death notice “family flowers only”, but a card with say the bunker’s Web address? I could hand deliver it on behalf of those on here who would be on board?

    Shouldent we do that?

    • Juicer77

      Comment was also made to honor the family’s privacy. I vote for that.

      • Miss Tia

        agreed….they did request donations to a charity though…..

        • Juicer77

          Now that’s a nice idea.

      • B4you

        Ya! your right – no need for the family see all this i guess 🙂

        • Ella Raitch

          When/if they’re ready to look we know where Google will take them.

        • Juicer77

          I suspect that a few who knew her have been reading and seeing the sympathies and photos extended here. At least I hope they know we are thinking of and praying for them (as the case may be).

    • Miss Tia

      as people replied to him, IIRC, it seemed —and i’m paraphrasing—-an intrusion……

    • Supper Powers

      Just arriving. What is going on?

      • B4you

        We are holding hands and sharing lollipops 🙂

        • Supper Powers

          Iw. I’m leaving then. 🙂

  • Juicer77

    I think it’s so cool that Britain has all these road crossings for aviary and equine safety – puffins, zebras, toucans. And people with lollipops standing in the roads! What a place!

    • Miss Tia
    • Ella Raitch

      I keep forgetting you are in the UK now.

      When my family visited Queensland we saw koala crossing signs (EO can confirm this)….we were having a laugh about it in the car and about half an hour later had to slow/stop for a koala crossing the road (we don’t really have koalas in the wild in the West – we do have kangaroos that will take out your car if you hit them).

      • Juicer77

        They would have to put up “Do Not Snuggle The Koalas” signs for me. But I think they bite?!?

        • Ella Raitch

          Bite and scratch and pee. If you want to cuddle a koala go to a zoo or wildlife reserve where they are used to being handled. They are adorable though.

    • Edward Clarke

      Unfortunately the Zebra crossings are coloured the same as the Zebras themselves in black and white stripes, meaning motorists often can’t see them and drive right into them. So it’s not as cool as you think.

      • Juicer77

        Noooooooooo!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Edward’s statement is complete nonsense as you will soon see for yourself 🙂

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’m so sorry, but that’s completely untrue. Thick white stripes painted on a dark grey tarmac background are very easy to see and accidents on pedestrian crossings are extremely rare.

        • Edward Clarke

          I was lying Betty.

          I’m a lying Scientologist.

  • Amanda Weigel

    here is mark burton’s facebook page. he is friends with jenny burpee, tiber mcCormick, and megan murray – and a fan of the films of kojii helwein. https://www.facebook.com/mark.bu