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It’s a video extravaganza as three former members tell us about life inside Scientology

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It’s a video extravaganza today as we received new recordings from three of our regular contributors. What they have in common is that they’re interested in a young person’s journey in Scientology.

Chris Shelton interviews Robyn Capella about what it was like to be pulled into Scientology by her parents when she was just a teenager. Nora Crest dives into part two of her rumination on the bizarre sex rules faced by Scientologists — and she makes a special appeal to Laura Prepon about her involvement in the church. And Aaron Smith-Levin talks about the end of his Scientology career, when he tried to leave amicably, but found that Scientology is best at making enemies.

We’ll start with Nora, who kicked off her video series last time with a look at some of the strange restrictions on sex that Sea Org members have to observe. Now, she follows that up by looking at L. Ron Hubbard’s strange policy bulletin, “Pain and Sex.”

And, noting Scientology’s homophobic history, she puts actress Laura Prepon on the spot regarding her role on Orange is the New Black.

 

 
Aaron Smith-Levin has another video for us relating an anecdote from growing up in Scientology. He explains this time about the kind of bargaining he attempted to do when he was faced with leaving the organization not long ago.

Aaron explains that he tried to find a way to leave Scientology that was less disruptive to his life but also less damaging for Scientology. He laid out a plan that he thought would be beneficial to both sides. But Scientology doesn’t think that way, as we’ve seen in so many other cases.

The story Aaron tells today reminds us of the story of Sylvia DeWall. Like Aaron, she tried to reason with a Scientology ethics officer who was presenting her with a situation that could rip apart her family.

“This week’s story shows how far Scientology will go to turn a former member who just wants to get on with his life into an actual enemy. The ‘with us or against us’ mentality is a core principle in Scientology,” Aaron tells us. “Even in instances where it would clearly create less problems for Scientology to simply let a former member be, the church has shown that it is almost completely incapable of doing so. This story is a classic example of how Scientology would rather try and ruin someone’s life and break apart a family than allow a former member to simply part amicably. Scientology’s insistence that someone is either 100 percent on board or 100 percent an enemy should be a huge warning to anyone who might have a family member starting to dabble in Scientology. Eventually, that family member will cross the event horizon where they are no longer allowed to simply walk away.”

 

 
And here’s what Chris Shelton sent us about his video…

I’ve been talking about Scientology for almost 2 years now and while there are still many aspects of it for me to cover, I wanted to branch out and start interviewing other people who were involved with Scientology and other destructive cults. Robyn Capella is a former Sea Org member who worked at many levels, including as a management representative and a Director of Special Affairs at a local Scientology org. Rarely do we get behind-the-scenes views on what the day-to-day is like for those who work at OSA’s lower levels, and I was intrigued when Robyn started telling me about her experiences.

Robyn and I were in the Sea Organization in Los Angeles during overlapping times (in the mid-to-late 90s) and I actually met and worked with her when I was in West US management. At the time, she worked in the Los Angeles organization as a management representative (called a Flag Rep). This was shortly before she got pregnant and ended up going up to Mountain View as the Director of Special Affairs. Robyn was always one of the “good guys” and wasn’t into yelling and screaming and tormenting her fellow staff members. At the same time, she was a True Believer and didn’t shirk from following some pretty crazy orders from her seniors.

Robyn was in for 19 years and we have a lot of ground to cover. In this first video, we cover how she got into Scientology and soon after got recruited into the Sea Org and went into their version of boot camp, called the EPF (Estates Project Force).

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

The mission in Chelyabinsk, Russia, shows off its many strong dissemination initiatives (actually, they’re just older images from France and Switzerland, but those Russians are ambitious!)…

 
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Oh look — two Scientology front groups joining forces, Applied Scholastics and Youth for Human Rights, and for the benefit of Africa…

 
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Oh, and hey, there’s a new Scientology front group in town — We Rock for Human Rights!

 
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Anyone want to nanny for the Cardones? Got your TRs in?

 
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BOOK NOTES
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Sept 15: Phoenix, Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus, Walter Cronkite Theater, 5:30 pm

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis, sponsored by Minnesota Atheists — venue TBD

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 25: Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)

Oct 28: Adelaide (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 3, 2015 at 07:00

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • Sherbet

    Finally got to watch Nora’s video. Every freezoner, squirrel, indie, or otherwise believer that “Ron’s tech is good and valuable; David Miscavige is the problem,” must watch this video. Ron the lunatic speaks. And it’s nonsense. my mouth is still hanging open in disbelief.

    I generally don’t criticize or second-guess exes or people who are UTR, but I’m stunned that people truly believed this absolute (I’m at a loss for words; it’s that bad) laughable dribble from the mouth of a crazy man.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Well, to be fair…you don’t get it in a big dose straight from Source on day one, right?

      Although I did say something else about day one earlier and I’d completely misremembered that, so who knows.

      • Sherbet

        No, I really understand, intellectually, how people get sucked in. So many very dear people here in the Bunker have explained it, and I get it. It’s amazing, though, to listen to lrh’s real words on a fake subject. Shaking my head, and it’s not the first time I’ve done so in a few years of scientology watching. Un-frickin’-believable.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I agree.

          Imagine if first thing day one was just 1/2 hour of some of those YouTube videos of him babbling and BSing.

          90% of people would back away.

    • Yeah and this Bulletin isn’t even the CRAZIEST one he ever wrote.

      • Sherbet

        That’s pretty sad. I hate to use archaic “evil psych” language, but the man was just insane. A lunatic. Certifiable. Nuts.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah, certainly by then he was.

          Going down the crazy-hole of his own making made him crazy.

          It started out as some plagiarized BS for laughs and bucks, but then after endless days thinking about it and dealing with the minutiae and massive stresses of actually having started a cult, he would have slowly started to deteriorate.

          And he wasn’t that stable to start with.

          I Am Not An Internet Psychiatrist

          • daisy

            I know you are all things to everybody but perhaps if OB doesn’t get back to me you can skip C and P and just tell me what was said at the post we left., so as not to distract others. I have been up for 48 hrs.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Listen, sweetie…

              I’m sorry to say, I’m having computer issues. Please, please remind me tomorrow (evening if you like) and I will repeat the various exchanges. I think it’s a really interesting question, and I want you to have the various opinions on it. Alhough, mine are just those of an informed amateur.

              I’m gonna shut down my laptop in a 1/2 hour or so, and then restart and see if I can fix it.

              Will you be able to sleep, do you think?

            • daisy

              Yes my sister is home from her travels she is going to spell me. I thought I had deleted that but you must of seen it before, I need a —-Don’t be a little bitch speech from my new best enemy —Grant— If Tony insists on this blog to make it about scientology

      • Annie

        Please…which one is? I need a good laugh.

    • Draco

      In my defense… I never read this until after I was out. It would definitely have bothered me if I had read it earlier.

      • Sherbet

        I’m sorry if I sounded superior. I didn’t mean to, because I know how intelligent our exes — the ones I’ve met in the Bunker — are. And that includes you. I’m so glad your eyes were opened one way or another and you left cos behind.

        • Draco

          Don’t think you sounded superior at all. I was saying “In my defense” in a sort of tongue in cheek kind of way. You are one of my favourite commentors and I love you sense of humour. As I’ve said before – the never ins are very appreciated by me. You bring balance and often say things that make me look at things in a different way. helps me shake off the culty thang!! All is good xxx

          • Sherbet

            Thanks, Draco. It’s funny — I always said it’s the exes who have taught me perspective. When the conversation is heavily into “ex talk,” I usually stay quiet and just absorb what you exes are saying. You belong to a club I never joined, so I learn from all of you.

            • Draco

              And you are getting a good education of one of the more extreme cults and the methods that get used to hook people and keep them in and compliant. After this – any other cult will look like a Mickey Mouse operation! 😀

            • Sherbet

              I’m going to give up cult watching after this one crumbles. I don’t think I can take another few years waiting for, say, the Southern Baptists to collapse under the weight of their own unique evils.

            • Draco

              Yeah. I think one cult in a lifetime is enough! Whether you are partaking or just watching, it is time consuming and can play havoc with your emotions.

            • Sherbet

              Every time Tony posts a real heart-breaking story, I swear I’m dropping out of the Bunker. But I don’t. 🙂

            • Sandy

              I was raised in total Lutheran immersion. My MN hometown was founded by Danes. Even tho a quite small town, we had 6 diff Lutheran churches + the other usual Protestant faiths. I never questioned anything about my beliefs. Imagine when I took a “Bible as Literature” class in my Jr yr of college. The teacher was totally respectful about the Bible – but truthful about its origins and history. Jarring. So – I relate to other peeps who suddenly are “slapped awake” about their particular belief systems.

            • Sherbet

              What an interesting and appropriate story, Sandy. Your teacher was wise — put the facts out there, and let the students draw their own conclusions.

            • Sandy

              I always thought that matthew was written by Matthew & luke was written by Luke. I wanted to ask my pastor why I spent so many Saturdays in his confirmation classes – and he never mentioned this – cuz he knew this stuff in his church studies. What the hell, Pastor Dave?

        • pluvo

          You never sound superior, Sherbet, but caring. It’s difficult to understand and also difficult to explain.

          • Sherbet

            Thank you. I gave up trying to understand scientology’s appeal, and I just focus on the people I’ve met here and the common goal of being around when cos implodes. And you don’t have to explain or justify or even regret. You did what you did because you believed it was a good choice for you at the time.

            • pluvo

              I try to describe what happened and the mind-set because I was there and witnessed it and I also experienced the different phases. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              You don’t post nearly enough, in my opinion. Hugs.

    • pluvo

      When I was in, I had many “WTF” moments. For example I never accepted the fascistic ‘justice’ rules. But often it was also a real mental stunt to make oneself ‘understand’ something.
      There is also the phenomenon of “cognitive dissonance”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

      • Sherbet

        I understand that being told stories from Day 1 and also being instructed that YOU and scientology are the only hope for the planet would cloud your thinking. I, too, have some pretty dogmatic beliefs of my own, and I think I’m bright. So I didn’t mean to offend. I know you’re all smart people.

        • pluvo

          You didn’t offend, Sherbet, not at all. One reason I’m commenting is (trying) to explain the situations and their structures.

          • Sherbet

            Thank you, pluvo. I appreciate it. Your computer-with-a-virus symbolism is perfect.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Does anybody know where to send, The Cardone clan my new job video? Please l’ll share with all!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Now Todd…

      Are you wearing ALL your clothes in this “application” video?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It’s still in pre-production stages.

    • Draco

      Are you getting mrs Todd to do the audition?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        No.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Elena@GrantCardone(dot)com

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      It’s so tempting to send her entheta. Must. Resist.

  • Rasha

    ETA for Cardone nanny applicants: “Families are not good groups; they’re bad groups.” ~ LRH

  • LongtimeLurker

    I was hoping you’d see that and have that response. ; )

    • Miss Tia

      you were right! 🙂

  • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

    O/T

    She got jail time.

  • Observer

    JANE EYRE-ISH CARDONE NANNY

    A newly hired nanny approaches the door to stately Cardone Manor. A Russian servant opens the door and, not speaking English, motions her to wait. After a few moments the servant returns and motions her to follow. After traversing several gaudily baroque rooms (“So aesthetic,” she breathes in wonder), she is led into a large dining room where, straining to see through billows of cigar smoke, she eventually makes out Grant and the two girls. After introductions she asks when she will meet Mrs. Cardone. Grant bites through his stogie and snarls something about a down-tone degraded being. Being a good Scientologist, the nanny does not question him further.

    After a few days, the nanny begins to wonder if some of her earlier whole-track incidents have been restimulated. She isn’t sleeping well, awakening to a silent room several times a night, but with shrieks echoing in her half-consciousness. One night she gets up, goes into the bathroom, turns on the light and muffles a shriek of her own when she sees “I’ll claw your eyes out, Bob Duggan!” scrawled across the mirror in virulently red lipstick. She sits awake shivering the rest of the night, but nothing else happens.

    In the morning she wakes and dresses the girls and takes them to breakfast. Once they’re settled in she goes in search of Grant, telling him that she has a thetan who does things to her mirror and it’s annoying (“Better not say terrifying,” she thinks), and asks him what she should do. Grant freezes, and even with his Jersey Shore-ish tan, the nanny can see him blanch. After a moment he huffs and stammers for a few seconds, then tells her to take the girls to the Flag building to climb on the statues because he has an important client coming to the house for a meeting. Not daring to think it odd (“Don’t be 1.1!” she commands herself), she complies.

    When she returns with the girls several hours later, exhausted from fending off regges while keeping an eye on her charges, she finds the house in flames. She leaves the girls on the lawn with a gawking neighbor and rushes in. There, in the foyer, she sees something that will take at least three intensives to audit out …

    Grant, lying lifeless on the floor, cigars shoved so far up his nose that only the burning ends protrude, and a bouquet of at least 20 crammed into his mouth, billowing cigar smoke blending with the increasing smoke from the fire. But that isn’t all.

    Elena Cardone, pale, emaciated and hollow-eyed, is crouching over Grant’s corpse, clawing the air with her hands and shrieking “How do you like me NOW, you theetie-weetie thetan!”

    The nanny turns and runs, never looking back. She is an apostate within the hour.

    THE END

    • Madison KinSmed

      Wow! If you wrote a book, I’d buy it.

      • Allie

        Me too. Must include Observer’s shoops too.

        • Draco

          Me three and me too on shoops!

    • B4you

      Would be fun to read a book only $cios could read.

      • Draco

        May I recommend “Have you lived before this life?”

        • B4you

          *LOL* not what i meant!

          • Draco

            I know 🙂

    • Sherbet

      Better than lrh’s fantasies.

      • Observer

        Talk about being damned with faint praise! Harrrrrrumph!

        😀

    • Allie

      Great story, Observer. Unexpected twist at the end. There could be numerous alternate endings
      based on your set-up. Hahahahaha

    • Draco

      Excellent story 🙂 So now go onto his Facebook page and tell him you are very good at telling stories and then post this as an example. Let us know what he says. ;P

    • flyonthewall

      if Reader’s Digest still exists you should send this in

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6F6u5TIUbI

    • jazzlover

      Wow! You could be a writer for “Orange is the New Black” 😉

  • B4you
  • nottrue

    Hi Grant…Nanny I can do that…

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You do NOT want to see her nanny attire.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Ok, if you insist. (Refresh if you dare)

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    Okay, so I am getting caught up with the videos and am watching part I of “Cradle to Slave”‘s discussion about sex in Scientology and am literally laughing out loud when she’s talking about Hubbard and his definition of homosexuals as inherently 1.1 on the Tone Scale: “…That’s how L Ron Hubbard feels about gay people, that they are somehow always trying to lure you in with their fabulousness and then they’re just waiting to stab you in the face with a Bedazzled dagger.” This is terrific stuff.

    • Thank you! I am here all week!

      • jazzlover

        Hey Nora! I meant to chime in earlier. What I liked most about your video was your use of obvious sarcastic wit (I’m a New Yawka so it should be no surprise that I enjoy that!) — the kind of “obvious” that should make the powers that be feel ashamed enough to finally do something about this whole clusterfuck. Very effective. Another thing that you made exceedingly transparent to me is that the cult has consistently made its stated mission seem “life and death” important by making mankind seem as worthless as a 3 dollar bill. Shameful, to say the least. Please keep up the great work. You’re a shining example for anyone looking to move forward with their lives.

        • Thank you so much for your kind words. I sincerely appreciate it. I am working on more ideas for more videos and will be heading out soon to interview others.

          • jazzlover

            Great to hear. And remember, bring the sarcasm 😉

            • I am NEVER without it. It’s part of my charm! 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              Nora, you’re as much fun in person as you are in videos. Keep it up.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    So over at Patheos it’s still going on. I haven’t participated in days.

    New OSA mook turns up and starts replying to all my old comments. But only to derail of course, and possibly because he’s in remote-love with “elle” who I was going at pretty hard 3 days ago. Anyway, he’s absolutely not dealing with any of the hard questions.

    Eventually I respond with this (edited for length);

    “After this I’m not responding to your transparent attempt to deflect attention from Scientology’s crimes and human rights abuses, by arguing about the arguing.

    See that phrase? Arguing about the arguing. That’s what children or fools or cowards or liars do.

    So, keep shaming yourself and avoiding the real subject, I know you literally can’t help yourself, because the TRs tell you this is what works and you can’t let yourself believe that it doesn’t.

    Keep going, but I won’t be replying.

    And all every other person reading will see is me avoiding nonsense.

    Conversely they will have seen you avoiding the real subject.

    Now watch everyone as this…proud Scientologist…chooses as his defence yet another argument about the argument.

    Because he just can’t help himself.

    Which is one of the signs of being brainwashed by a cult.”

    (Yeah, I shouldn’t have got personal, I know, I know. It’ll be the last time, I swear.)

    Anyway, Lurker’s Pop Quiz. Did he;

    1) Stop with the derailing tactic and get back to the real issues (This is not a real option, of course)?

    2) Not reply at all because he’d been called on his BS but also didn’t want to talk about the real issues?

    3) Reply with yet another argument about the argument because he literally couldn’t help himself – and also throw in some nonsense about “if you don’t like how I’m arguing then you should shoot me but you can’t because this is the internet”?

    Who are these people? How do they dress themselves in the morning and cross the street without dying?

    • Mockingbird

      You should see what idiocy elle is up to.

    • MM

      “Who are these people? How do they dress themselves in the morning and cross the street without dying?”

      LL, I’m not your parent or anything, so please forgive me, but…

      Will you please consider these people aren’t “talking” or “arguing” with you, nor are they idiots who “can’t help themselves”. All they want and do, is to suck time out of you that you’ll never be able to get back.

      Over in that thread alone, one single Scn operator (plus probably some sidekick of his wearing different socks) has been able to steal untold hours of time from like a dozen people who were trying to reason with them, showing them Hubbard videos, arguing about the length of the Nightline interview etc, all getting riled up and ready to pull their hair out because the troll apparently ‘doesn’t get it’. That’s been going on for how long now, five days or so?

      And at the same time all these people try to ‘educate them’ and ‘call them out’, the troll & sidekick are probably clinking their glasses and laughing their asses off!

      It’s not that I think you don’t mean well (I know you do). You are a good person, and that’s precisely what they are taking advantage of. These people are looking for your ‘ruin’.

      /rant

      • LongtimeLurker

        SHUT UP MM!

        jk

        Jesus. You know, I’ve written to others some of what you just wrote to me (although never as well as you did).

        Thanks. Seriously. And I know, I know.

        Although I would argue, some of them are stupid (but cinning).

        Probably not these two of course.

        But yes…

        Thanks again.

        https://media.giphy.com/media/2nGfl4QfpCtW/giphy.gif

        • LongtimeLurker
        • MM

          “(although never as well as you did)”

          Oh, will you shut up please 🙂 I’m quite sure I didn’t even get all zee damn tenses right in all zohse convoluted sentences!

          Now please stop beating yourself, and look over there: see that wombat? Thank you! Now touch pet that wombat! Thank you!

          • LongtimeLurker

            “touch that wombat, thank you”

            lol

            That’s a fake religion I could get behind.

  • Re: Grant Cardone

    Looking for nanny for the next two years to travel with us.
    Requirements: Comm Course-
    Learning How to Learn –
    Above 4.0 on Tone a Scale-
    Successfully Raising Children-
    Some Auditor training –
    Email short video to Elena@GrantCardone.com

    Declaration of JennyAtLAX:

    I, JennyAtLAX, declare and state as follows:

    “Elena, why don’t you and your douche bag of a husband stop committing suppressive acts, full time suppressive acts, full time. Unbelievable. Just end it. Go live a life. Why don’t you get a life, man.

    “Your TRs are brilliant. Just get a life. While you’re at, why don’t you stop committing common punctuation mistakes and live a real life. (By the way, what the %#@$#!& is a ‘Tone a Scale’?)

    “Why don’t you just end it. And start living a decent life and do something to help mankind. Cause you guys do nothing to help mankind. Nobody wants to be a nanny to your spoiled, snot-nosed brats. You guys are embarrassing and pathetic. Pathetic. It’s disgusting and it’s all over your face and you look terrible.

    “Wow!

    “What losers. What losers.

    “It’s embarrassing. Why don’t you do something with your life. You’re an embarrassment.

    “It’s unbelievable.

    “Wow. Embarrassing, humiliating, disgusting. Nobody cares about you or your stinkin’ family. Nobody’s interested. It’s a God damned joke. No one gives a crap. OK?”

    I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    JennyAtLAX

    • Sherbet

      That’s so funny…and to think it’s nearly direct quotes from the real Jenny. Ugh.

      • LongtimeLurker

        The real Jenny is great.

        And by great I mean not great at all.

        • Thanks!

          • Sherbet

            No, you’re not great. You’re a great big ____________. Fill in the blank.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      And remember folks she knows every inch of their bodies!

      • “And I know every inch of you!”

        • Todd Tomorrow

          You slag you said you’d keep that a secret.

    • Ella Raitch

      Missed you, crazy lady xxx

  • The situation with all these former scientologists making videos and stuff is increasingly getting out of control.
    As a countermeasure, RTC will be hiring aspiring actors to pose as a former former scientologists sharing their A-E success stories.

    • Jimmy3

      Genius. Where to apply?

    • flyonthewall

      All the videos would start with – ” I’m not a Scientologist and was never in the Sea Org but if I was I would of loved it ” It would be very boring

      • aegerprimo

        Yeah, who would want to watch videos about a bunch of kiss-ass tools?
        Oh Fly! I think you just gave DM an idea for the new Co$ Ideal Media Center!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I assumed they had been doing this for quite sometime with all the Blowin’ going on, I mean people leaving.You know what I mean.

  • Jimmy3
    • flyonthewall

      Robert Plant has the tightest pants in the land

      • Jimmy3

        You need tight pants to survive Mordor. It’s just some weird unspoken rule.

        • flyonthewall

          Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and Sauron. Live in Soldier Field, summer of 2016. It’s gonna happen

          • Jimmy3

            Eye will be there.

      • Sherbet

        How do you think he hit those high notes?

        • flyonthewall

          upvote for sherbet, upvote for lynn and nothing for shitbird.

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        I thought we agreed on using one sock account at a time. What happened?

        • Jimmy3

          I thought we agreed that your lame attempt at ball-busting isn’t funny at all, and you getting defensive about it is really pathetic.

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            Sorry u feel that way. I have to bypass most of your comments as they rarely have any bearing with the topic at hand.

            • Jimmy3

              You’ve spent an entire afternoon labeling people “sock puppets” from a sock account… and you are complaining that I often post off-topic? Heh.

            • Jimmy3

              Deleted your comments. I’m not surprised.

      • lynn

        I think lenny kravitz proved a couple of weeks ago that he had the tightest pants.

  • aegerprimo

    Fixed it! A more Noble version….
    (refresh)

    • ze moo

      We are the Knights who formerly said ‘Nie’.

      • aegerprimo

        NIE to Dianutty.

      • Rasha

        Ekke ekke ekke ekke pKUNG zooOOP boing!

        edited for missing ekke

    • Sherbet

      Now that’s a real knight in shining armor.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT – Miss Tia, say hi when you get a chance, to let us know you’re okay.

    • Miss Tia

      just posted a comment above! 🙂 i’m home! 😀 and gosh, i don’t think i’ll ever be ‘okay’ 😉

      • LongtimeLurker

        Don’t say that!

        Glad you’re home. (hugs)

        • Miss Tia

          ((hugs)) now now, i meant ‘not okay’ as in i’ll never be ‘okay’ like ‘normal’ 🙂

          • LongtimeLurker

            Oh, well that’s alright then. Screw normal!

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, i don’t even know what ‘normal’ is! 🙂

    • PlanetJ

      Did you get my DM on Twitter?

      • LongtimeLurker

        David Miscavige?

        I’ve been looking for you girl – if you mean the comment about “…you MUST read my CrazyTweeter suggestion,to my favorite FunnyBook writing author,today.”

        I tried to find it on your Twitter, but I’m such a Tweet Noob (as you can tell, all I do is reply to Scientology propaganda or send out my own occasional Tweet) I couldn’t find it.

        Help…

        Can you paste it here?

        HANG ON- Just refreshed Twitter, going to read it now.

        Stupid technology. Sigh.

        • PlanetJ

          LMAO! You need twitter lessons!

        • PlanetJ

          You know..before the bunker..to me,DM,meant Daily Mail or Direct Message. Now It’s totallly Douche McCatty.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah, people write me an email with ‘sp’ in it for “spelling” and my first thought is, who’s just blown and been declared?

        • PlanetJ

          Check your message folder..I broke it down for you,so you could read it from top to bottom..lol..I’m a good friend that way. 😉

  • Draco

    Today has been fun, but it’s heading toward 2am here.
    Night all – it has been all that AND a troll! xxx

    • Sherbet

      I was wondering what time it was in SA. BTW, I’ve been having physical therapy from a SA expatriot. I love her stories.

      • Draco

        We live in interesting times in SA. We have lots going on in politics and in our lives just about every day. Lots of stories to tell. Tell her Draco says HI! 😉

        • Sherbet

          OK, I will! Goodnight!

          • Draco

            xxx

  • Hamtaro

    I’d rather be the gimp in Pulp Fiction than spend two years traveling with the Cardones as their nanny.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      That’s bad!

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Nora(or any other Sea Org ex who knows), something I’ve been wondering about since my Clearwater visit 2 weekends ago. I was sitting in Tony’s pizza shop watching the clams go by and noticed a Sea Org couple displaying some very public 2D action. Cuddling and holding hands as they crossed the street. Very touchy feely all the way down the sidewalk. I had never seen any display of affection like this before. Would this be considered a violation of some Hubbardian order?

    • SP Wogsy

      I’m pretty sure if it is approved, it should be okay. It’s not like their having sex, right?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Have you forgotten what group we are talking about, Ms. 2D sexy time? ;-P

        • SP Wogsy

          Sex is like exercise even if you don’t want to do it, you gotta “get it in”, and you don’t regret it afterwards – lol.

          I’m just saying what you read about the 2nd dynamic being important and creative blah blah blah…is so counter to that bulletin. If Hubbard was smart, he would let everyone, who was married, get it in, and they would all be uptone and really productive enough tto save the planet! ~snark

          If he was smarter, he would sec check the public Scientolgist’s dreams, and I’m pretty sure he’ll find some out-2d situations there generating helluva income. Ha!!!!

          With that said, I’m off to go start a religion. Tooootaloo!!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Church of Wogsy. Don’t have a COW man! What kind of baptism will you do? That’s important for me.

            • jazzlover

              Baptism will be hosing down couples having wild sex on altar.

            • SP Wogsy

              Reading Crowley again, eh? I see you. : )

            • jazzlover

              bwahahahaha. Zep fan, so Crowley fanaticism comes naturally 😉 I’d only add that the water would have to be blessed by Cardone himself.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Well, that just ruined it. I’m out before I was ever in.

            • jazzlover

              You didn’t know Page was/is a Crowley enthusiast? He bought and lived in his mansion for quite a while. I heard that L. Ron was the first guy who auditioned for lead singer.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No, the part about GC blessing the sex/baptism water.

            • jazzlover

              Ahhhhhhhhhh. Grant forbid 😉

            • Kim O’Brien

              hey …did you find a place to live ? I am assuming that the corner of Dike and Sarong did not work out ? LOL

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Still looking along Dike, but corner with Sarong is out of my league….waiting on financing approvals and such logistics. Did you see my note for you that I also passed a Chippendales Court? Other good one was Captain Morgan’s Drive.

            • Kim O’Brien

              missed both of those ..:) ..so strange that you thought those would pertain to me in some way …( hee hee )

            • SP Wogsy

              I haven’t decided yet. However, I wll make sure that I write a policy that counters THAT policy which counters THAT policy and so on and so forth…

    • pluvo

      :”Would this be considered a violation of some Hubbardian order?”
      No. But if their stats would be down they could get blamed as “2D oriented”. To get labeled as 2D (Sex/Family Dynamic) or 1.Dynamic (self) oriented is like saying one is selfish and not ethical.

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      No, this wouldn’t be a problem.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        That’s nice to know actually. At least they’ve got that going for them. Thanks for the good vid. Improvements in A/V quality are always important when one wants to be taken seriously. Here’s to hoping those in the bubble and in powerful places get to see it.

    • No definitely not a problem if they are married and don’t do TOO much in public. If they started a full on makeout session with groping and such then they might possibly get a report on restimulating others. But the holding hands is approved of. That is all you are allowed to do before you are married.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Thx, Nora.

  • new bollocks, see an extract of the letter from that crazy John Alex Wood Harpie’s attempt to take down my blog… man, she’s a nasty piece of work https://www.scientologybollocks.com/see-first-hand-how-fucking-disgustingly-the-cults-defenders-defend-themselves-and-deal-with-critics/

    bonus baby panther gif

    http://38.media.tumblr.com/683b48dd22e7b66c61a7e7cf34f6952d/tumblr_nu30njflM41tlb56zo1_500.gif

  • SP Wogsy

    I would only sign up to be the Cardone’s nanny for research purposes as a Bunker correspondent : )

    • aegerprimo

      WAY too dangerous.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      How about a spy!

      • SP Wogsy

        Inspector Wogsy! : )

  • B4you

    OT: reading this, made me feel very sick. I think it’s a bit off the chart? http://www.refocus.org/uploads/3/9/3/8/3938709/coping_with_post-cult_trauma_singer_can_1993.pdf

  • flyonthewall

    Me and my buddies put together this audition tape for the nanny job. We mostly just demonstrated how we would disarm and beat up any kidnappers. I think we have a shot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnjb8Hx76u8

    • jazzlover

      Was one of those guys Samuel L. Jackson?

      • flyonthewall

        No that was Gary. Lots of people say he looks like Samuel L Jackson though. Sometimes he plays along and gives them autographs. He’s hilarious

        • jazzlover

          Will he autograph my pet python?

          • flyonthewall

            he says yes

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Funny, but I still don’t think you should do that to children.

  • Mockingbird

    OT , so I told elle how Hubbard convinced people with cancer to abandon conventional medicine and try to exorcise seventy five year old dead space aliens and many have died as a result. Which I consider murder viamedical fraud.

    Elle asked if I believed in the power of prayer. So, I said do you mean first the people on the RPF who want to be free ? What do you guys think ?

    • aegerprimo

      Err ACK!
      It seems like Elle is fishing for a response and thrives on responses. My guess is that Elle is a whack-job troll and should be ignored.
      That is how I roll, I would ignore.
      DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
      Just sayin’.

      • Agreed.

      • Mockingbird

        Hmm, I had thought elle was OSA, if not then…

      • MM

        “It seems like Elle is fishing for a response and thrives on responses … DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.”

        Thank you aegerprimo. I just wrote a novel about ‘elle’ in response to LL downthread, but you said all there is to say much better, in only two sentences 🙂

        • daisy

          Shes good like that, accurate and succinct.

    • B4you

      $cios don’t use prayers?

      • Mockingbird

        Yes, I think she is trying to equate prayer to running BTs.

    • Rasha

      Well, word-clearing “power” I got “the ability to influence people or events over time”, and for “prayer” I got “a solemn request for help or expression of thanks to God / an earnest hope or wish”. So, given that, perhaps pleading to be let out of RPF may cause a scientologist with still a touch of humanity to consider feeling bad for you before being sent to Ethics and then RPF’d themselves, but no, I don’t think hoping for cancer to change its mind and become strong, healthy life-prolonging tissue will ever happen. I have good reason to think this.

      The response question is irrelevant and dodging the issue. Pbbpptthh!!!

      edited for grammar

    • LongtimeLurker

      The hypocrisy of someone comparing BTs to prayer.

      Scientology is 100% provable tech, right? BTs are completely “scientific” right? Don’t bring other’s faith into it. F**king cake and eat it too, elle, you bullshit artist.

      This may not be a revelation and is only Lurker’s opinion, so who gives a crap, but I think “elle” or at least this week’s operator, would be an idiot and an asshole, completely separately from any Scientology issues. And if she wasn’t a mighty internet warrior for Scientology, she’d be doing it for David Duke or Climate Change Denial or something.

      The exact flip side of the coin to our exes, most of whom I’m sure were lovely when “in.”

      • Mockingbird

        Yeah, when Scientology’s crimes come up elle says we are a persecuted religion. But then turns around and says we are a proven science !

        • LongtimeLurker

          Cake. Eat. Too.

          Gutless, weaselly shit.

          • Mockingbird

            Very concise. 😀

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I used to love the Happy Meal toys when I was a little buttplug. (refresh for ruined memories)

    • Mockingbird

      There are so many things wrong with that sentence .

      • B4you

        and you have to separate the sentence from the picture to get a full blown cognitive dissonance.

        • Mockingbird

          Yikes .

    • Rasha

      Ruined memories refreshed!

    • Miss Tia

      Your statement really fits when you look at where the volcano is exploding….i’ll see myself out…..

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    <>

    IDK from this video he posed yesterday, it looks like Grant Cardone is on “The Bridge to Cardiac Arrest”. Yikes! Let’s hope for the new nanny’s sake that he doesn’t drop his meat body in the next 2 years…
    (start @ 2:15)
    https://www.facebook.com/grantcardonefan/videos/vb.236959743562/10153506397088563/?type=2&theater

    • Kay

      Two laps and he’s winded? And telling other people how to swim? Plus he got over 16,000 views on this? Who viewed this? Every scientologist left in the world?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        IKR, I was waiting for someone to rush in with oxygen! Ha! I think he probably paid a click farm for those views. Besides, if he was so successful with so many followers then why respond and lose it with that one guy who was yanking his chain?

        • Kay

          True !!!!

    • Sunny Sands

      This video is a good example of the mental decline that happens to an OT8 and Super Power completion like Grant.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I hope they have a defibrillator handy and 911 on speed dial. If there are others as out of shape as Cardone running around that pole, then some poor clam probably ain’t gonna make it out alive. 🙁

    • Kay

      Is “bitch quitter” DM vocabulary? Geez.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        These clams have such a way with words! The Regs probably use it also, to motivate slackers into giving more $$$.

      • daisy

        Your the expert, can he be helped ?

  • romanesco

    Whuzzis “Tone a Scale” thing? Some a kinda Italian a thing a? How about I’m 47 on the Tone z Scale? That work for you?

    • Rasha

      I’m arpeggiate on the atonal scale, myself.

  • About that “We Rock For Human Rights” joke gig – can’t wait to see scientology rock bands and listen to their epic lyrics. This is gonna rock the house.

    • Rasha

      Can’t wait for more tin-can (pun!) noise about getting on the E-Meter, and saving the guhLAXy, and Standing Tall on Apple Crates……. if we get any of these tracks, I’ll have to listen to them with you guys, ‘cuz I don’t think I could stand it alone….

      • “Stand and fight for human right, to shoot SP on a sight!”

        • Rasha

          To be honest, I am looking to forward to picking out the ironies and contradictions in their haunting lyrics, I mean, crap.

    • aegerprimo

      NO Dodo!
      We Stand Small by Pomper Stands… and whatever rap crap Chilly Bean wrote… is NOT gonna rock this house or any house.

      • This is gonna be like nothing before, like Christian rock, but even better.

        • aegerprimo

          Is Christian rock good? I think I missed that aspect… of rock.

          • Missionary Kid

            Christian rock is like Pat Boone singing Little Richard’s Tutti Fruiti – It sucks.

            • Kay

              LOL !!!!

    • Jimmy3

      Theta is the end,
      Beautiful ARC…
      Theta is the end,
      My only friend,
      Theta

      • Ethics and justice FOREVER!! chugga, chugga, bam, bam!

        • Jimmy3

          Whatchoo got you gotta give it to you registrar
          Whatchoo got you gotta give it to you auditahh

          • Jimmy3

            Givit away givit away givit away nowwww
            Givit away givit away nowwwwww

            • Confront and Shatter – Space and Matter! jugga jigga wugga

        • Rasha

          Stand and deliver
          Your money or your life….

          (can’t believe I recalled that one…..)

      • Rasha

        I pay my dues
        Time after time.
        I’m doing my sentence
        But committed no crime.
        And bad mistakes ‒
        I’ve made a few.
        I’ve had my PC folder shoved in my face
        and they’re not through….

        totally not stolen from anyone – KP

        • Jo

          Mercy seat? Love that tune

          • Rasha

            Hehe, nope.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s Queen, you fools.

            • Kim O’Brien

              Philistine bastards 😉

            • Jimmy3

              These bastards have no class, they are losers. We are the champions. We are better than the China. We will build a wall called The Trump Wall. First Class dining and gaming all along the southern border of these great United States. We will make your children into champions in this year’s edition of The Apprentice: The Wall. Sign up your sons and daughters today.

            • Kim O’Brien

              gold plated 🙂

            • daisy

              Yeah I said that upthread 4 hrs later.

            • Rasha

              WHAT?? They TOTALLY stole that from me!!! Sure, change a few words and pretend you didn’t!!!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Is that a variation of Peter Gabriel’s Mercy Street?

            • Jo

              Haven’t heard that version. Was thinking of the man in black,

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              My mistake. I was busting your chops, thinking that you had a typo.

            • Jo

              I always have typo errors 🙂

            • daisy

              You would have a field day with my sleepy posts. I spelled puncture for punctuation. It got the best laugh of the night. I am better when I am not even trying

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          PF?

        • Kim O’Brien

          Dire Straits? ( totally kidding ..don’t kill me )

          • Rasha

            Doncha just love Dire Straits?

        • Jo

          Nick Cave?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Did you know they have, Nick Cave Dolls now?

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yes, but the hairline is not an appropriate representation of the real thing.

        • noseinabk

          Queen.

          • daisy

            Its Queen. Why is this even a discussion. And who the hell are those other bands.

    • pluvo

      They can ‘rock for human rights’ for the RPFers.

      • romanesco

        Whole point, honey bunny.

    • aegerprimo
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Maybe they should’ve hired Tool again.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpvfPGtsag

      • Haha! What a sweet flap it was. Looks like CC Int! Thanks for the epic find.
        Eta: Best gig they ever had – past, present and future.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Sunny can tell you more. She has the inside story. I only just found it on You Tube. Man, I’d have sold my kittens to see that show!

          • Yeah, I read her account on this. Please, don’t sell your kittens 🙂

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              No worries. I would never. Kittehs 4EVA!

    • daisy

      Thought of another band for your list . CCR

  • Rasha

    Wow, it got quiet all of a sudden….

    • Observer

      I’ve got nothing to say at the mo.

      • Rasha

        I’ll check your pan. I bet that big ol’ blue brain has something goin’ on…..

    • It’s a group bathroom break.

      • Rasha

        I never get invited to ANYTHING! (pouts)

    • Miss Tia

      elmer fudd is hunting rabbits, we’s being very quiet….

      • Rasha

        XD

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Wabbits. Wascally wabbits.

    • SP Wogsy

      Boo!!

      • Rasha

        GGAAHHHHH SshhhhhBAPBAPBAP!!!!

        …..sorry…. I’m… sorry……

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s a shift change. 😉

  • Miss Tia

    I’m home!! “Treated and released” 🙂 Got a RX for a nausea med tomorrow that I’ll go get as soon as I get up before it gets unbearable out—it’s a shame hospitals can’t give you one or two pills anymore. They said what they put in the IV was enough to get me thru the night. At least all my ‘prep’ work before I left will make it easy tonight and tomorrow morning for critter care! i have to say, first time at the city hospital ER and i was quite impressed……went during a thunderstorm—heard no thunderstorm but saw some great lightening…..now i’m gonna do critter care and go to bed! thanks all! ♥

    • Chee Chalker

      Yea! Take care of yourself!

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks Chee!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Gee, that was fast! Glad to hear you’re fine!

      • Miss Tia

        I’ve got 4 more days of high humidity to get thru, i’m hoping—fingers crossed, this has helped me stave off from getting really bad again!! And yes, it was very fast, very fast ER. And they’re the biggest ER in the city too!

        ETA: i do actually feel much much better now! amazing! 🙂

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Awesome, what can you do to prevent this from flaring up again? Sounds like it could get serious, quickly and become dangerous.

          • Miss Tia

            stay out of the sun when the humidity is high—which i’ve done; get out of this room (computer room) when the humidity is high by 4pm, as heat/humidity accumulates in here—which i haven’t been doing but WILL the next few days (i did yesterday though) and go to the bedroom that has the AC or the dr. said outside in the shade if there’s a breeze; keep my water/gatorade intake up as i have been; take the anti-nausea meds and eat more than i have been eating (haven’t had an appetite as i’ve been nauseous); keep the bandana on my head wet and a wet cloth on my neck—been doing that…..pretty much all i’ve been doing except i haven’t left this room when it’s gotten too warm/humid—i do have a fan in here, still the hottest room in the house…..

            other than that, i am very prone to this….have always been, but it’s gotten worse the past few years….apparently my low blood pressure plays a part and i guess i’m also just susceptible to it…and yes it can get serious/dangerous quickly if it goes on too long….that’s why when i told my dr. today i’d been throwing up she said “ER. fluids. we can’t fix this at home”….FORTUNATELY, ohio only has about a week of high humidity!! iowa has about 6+ weeks (where i’m from and that was hell—well in more ways than one ;)…..i was the one who passed out quite often in high school marching band practice during the summer—humidity……

            ::shakes cane at humidity:: (i don’t have a cane, but gosh this all makes me feel old like i SHOULD have a cane! i have certainly cursed humidity out and if i was a tangible thing, i’d be giving it a double finger salute!)

            • Jimmy3

              Closer to the lake, we get a lot more than a week of high humidity.

            • Miss Tia

              Well, fortunately, i’m on north hill in akron and we have no lake! 🙂 i never considered lake erie in relation to humidity in the summer!! DUH!!! i know in iowa i was 6 blocks from the mississippi river….but there it didn’t matter if you were close or not to the river, the whole midwest got that humidity, there was no escape from it (except of course AC)….

            • Miss Tia

              do you mind shooting me an email?trying to arrange a couple things for the parma event, don’t have your email addy….. tia(at)misstia(dot)com

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, I sent from lostphone@whatever.

            • Miss Tia

              replied! thank you!! love that email ‘lost phone’….very clever name!!

            • Jimmy3

              I wish it were clever… I actually made it when after I lost my phone on the Gatekeeper at Cedar Point. D’oh!

            • Miss Tia

              well even though it unfortunately happened, it’s still clever….sorry you lost your phone….at least you didn’t climb a fence to retrieve it…..my friend eddie was there about a week later for his company picnic and he said when they were checking everyone in seats, not only to assure they were strapped in properly but to ask that all phones/cameras/etc were secured…..

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah. I’m usually really good about not losing anything on rides. Normally I put my phone in my back pocket so I’m sitting on it… But by that point in the trip, I had quite a few stouts in me and wasn’t thinking. I might’ve actually lost it getting off or out of the ride. I have no idea.

            • Miss Tia

              that sucks 🙁 shame whoever found it didn’t turn it in…..

              one year eddie was there he had his phone in his pocket and went on a water ride…..ever since that he’s taken a baggie as the phone got drenched…..

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Would a mid priced dehumidifier help? Also, did he tell you that you can quickly hydrate too much which is just as bad? It basically shuts the whole system down. I had an ill mate that that happened to. XXXOOO

            • Miss Tia

              They told me to get another window AC for this room (computer room) for
              next year—since after this weekend, no more high humidity for the
              year. Didn’t even think of a dehumidifier, but it’s really this room (computer room) that is THE worst—even with a fan. All the heat/humidity accumulates throughout the day in here. I know a few years ago when my bedroom AC died, the couple days I went without a new one, even with the windows open, the temp in there was 115F—that was during a heat wave—and that was at 11pm at night. That room gets full on afternoon and setting sun so the heat just builds. This room, I have no idea how/why the heat/humidity accumulates, but it does. Faces the east, some morning sun, which i block by closing the curtains, then shaded the rest of the day by trees. Just zero air circulation I guess. I am too scared to bring the thermometer in here to see what the temp is in here in the afternoon!!

              I told them how much water/gatorade I had been drinking and they had no problem with the amounts. They did say you can indeed drink TOO much and that can make you sick too. It’s a messed up situation, cuz you can shut your system down being dehydrated or being overly hydrated. And gee, at 6:30am the humidity was 89% tho’ the temp is 65F. Suppose to get to 97F today. I’ll be in the bedroom with the AC!!! Will go be at the pharmacy at 9am when they open to get my nausea RX filled!!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Funny thing in my experience to prescribe but I’m not a Dr. Yeah, I’d get a nice book and just lay around in your room and take it easy. . If I don’t have my shot of espresso in the am I don’t wake up but they do make some caffeine free herbal tea to give you some variety. Watch it on peppermint because I heard it can be toxic, if you drink it too much. I like any form of chamomile since it helps me calm down as well. And it really isn’t bad chilled. Sounds like you have a Dr. that is keeping an eye on you! A good Dr. can sometime be hard to find. I live in a place that rarely gets hot, thus none of us have air conditioners. But some years it will get into the 90’s which we are not accustom to. They have a hotel that lets me sneak all three of my greyhounds in. Although, I have to face the freeway I take my laptop and work from out of there until the heat subsides. Just an idea to turn it into a mini-holiday,too. I think you have animals so that may not be possible. I have low blood pressure too and my Dr. said that for the past few years that they were trying to get the levels changed meaning a normal amount would be lower than what the standards are today. Be careful!

            • Miss Tia

              i’m the WORST patient (i lack patience! 😉 ….i always read when i get into bed, and when it’s NOT humid and i sit outside in the sun, i’ll read, but to sit inside and read —even though i’m sick? my brain can’t compute that, i know i know, bizarre…..i haven’t had tea in ages—well since the winter!! i can’t drink chamomile cuz of my allergies, but i do like mint tea—you’re right about the toxicity if you have too much…..

              i have a great doctor, i really like her a lot and my friends who’ve gone to her also really like her…..yeah, i have critters….i won’t leave them—unless of course i would have been admitted last night, but i was prepared for that!! i’ve got the AC in the bedroom and that suffices for now and next summer i’ll get another window AC for the computer room…..then if/when it gets humid i’ll be ‘covered’…..

              3 greyhounds?! wow!! greyhounds are gorgeous dogs…..nothing has ever been done about my low bp cuz it’s not a problem (except with humidity) and it’s always been naturally low…..

        • Kim O’Brien

          come to Denver ..”it’s a dry heat “

          • Miss Tia

            thanks kim but i’m here for life! —unless of course we start getting longer periods of humidity……

    • Rasha

      YAY! And also YAY for the silent Summer Lightning. I’ll have to find the great pic I took of lightning a few years ago.

      • Miss Tia

        Yeah, it had to have been silent, cuz the bolts i was seeing, technically i should have FELT the thunder that would have normally came afterwards! Can’t wait to see the pix!

    • Rasha

      2011…

      • Miss Tia

        oh that’s awesome!! i know that was a hard shot to get!!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Lovely!

    • Kim O’Brien

      rest up and feel better

      • Miss Tia

        gonna try!!! 🙂 if the humidity could leave faster than they say that would be great!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hug them puppies and SLEEP!

      • Miss Tia

        Done and done!!! 🙂 I slept really good! 😀

    • Missionary Kid

      Glad you’re back. I hope you feel better soon.

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks MK!! 4 more days of high humidity! It’s at 89% at 6:30am, uh?? I’ll be sitting next to the AC today!! 🙂

  • Bob

    Nora Crest’s video on the Bulletin pain and sex is excellent.
    IMHO her end conclusion is unnecessary. I think she touched on the idea that fans of the show should post and write the producers regarding her hypocrisy. That’s very cool and effective.
    Telling us that Laura should leave the show or leave Scientology seems to me to soften Nora’s message that she brilliantly expressed in the video.
    There is a third option for Laura. She stay on the show portraying a lesbian, stay in Scientology portraying an enlightened free and happy being and in fact become a mindless, sciebotic hypocrite along with her pals Danny Masterson, Jason Lee and Vonnie Ribisi whose careers will inevitably go down the drain.
    Nora you kick ass. i hope that Laura listens to you. I doubt it though.

    • Thanks. I hope she listens too. I hope they all listen.

      • Bob

        Your welcome. You opened my eyes to one of hubbards most major control policies. It sure f–ked me up.
        I lived in the bubble world for so long I became oblivious to how the world has been changing.
        It has deteriorated in some senses and improved in others. Hubbards hatred of psychiatry was clearly a phobia. Not to say there are not bad doctors however there are many good ones as well.
        You certainly brought home the fact that Hubbard turned into every evil thing he warned us about.

        • It wasn’t just psychiatrists he was afraid of – this is the man who came off a motorcycle and broke bones, but refused to seek medical attention. It was the entire medical profession.

          Psychiatry was singled out because he could exploit the rhetoric of a pre-existing anti-psychiatry movement. If there had been a similar opportunity to attack scientific medicine he would have done that too.

          I think it was phobia backed up by his obsession with control, (which played against him in this case). Because he saw himself as ‘The Master’, he simply could not bring himself to acknowledge, let alone trust in, someone else’s superior expertise.

          • Bob

            Yes, he had so many phobias and he always had an opinion on issues of health, relationships and man’s dreams and aspirations. The fact that he could not achieve his own dreams speaks volumes about his right to be an authority on anything. He hated authoritarian institutions and people. His self loathing must have been massive.

            • So many of Hubbard’s eccentricities can be explained by his paranoia

              However, I often wonder sometimes if his obsession about rose perfume was due to phantosmia http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/phantosmia/Pages/Introduction.aspx an experience of phantom smells due to an undiagnosed brain injury caused by the bike crash.

            • Bob

              I am not sure whether he was hyper sensitive before the crash or after. I think before. I know his sensitivity to any odors was legend.

            • Doh! That’s another good theory slain by an ugly fact…

            • Bob

              The ugly fact is: he had more phobias than a dog has fleas. When I was around him it was crazy how many things he was sensitive too.

          • daisy

            Could he have been helped if he got mental health. I know MB doesn’t think so . I would like your opinion

            • LongtimeLurker

              Did you see Once Born and I talking about exactly that further down? Tell me if Once Born doesn’t get back to you and I’ll cut and paste what was said.

            • daisy

              I took the day off and now I have missed the whole semester. The new post is up, and I have stress acne.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I hate starting a new term.

            • There is a very old joke – Q: how many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Just the one, but the light bulb has to acknowledge it has a problem and want to change.

              There are some personality disorders that are highly resistant to treatment – full-blown psychopathy for example. Secure hospitals in the UK where criminal psychopaths are detained acknowledge that therapy sessions are of little value because the patient only uses them as an opportunity to try and manipulate doctors and staff.

              The letter to the VA we recently looked at seemed to show that Hubbard was seeking treatment – but he only ever did this the once, when he was broke and trying to qualify for disability payments.

              Looking at his life he appears to have been such a narcissist that it is unlikely he would be able to enter into the give-and-take necessary for a successful therapeutic relationship. His condition was highly resistant to treatment.

              You might look at dianetics and Scientology as Hubbard’s attempt at self-therapy – his attempt to achieve peace of mind without relying on anyone else. Of course, it was not coherent because he made it up as he went along and had such a high opinion of himself that he considered every word holy writ.

              Ironically, this ‘self therapy’ gave him power over others, and actually aggravated his personality disorder, leading eventually to a pitiable mental and physical decline.

              In short, he would not probably not have been been helped has he been offered treatment because he was incapable of engaging with therapy.

            • daisy

              Thank you for your thoughtful answer. I was going through back comments for your take. You did give the answer I suspected you would. I have heard that narcissists , sociopaths etc. use therapy as a chance to hone their craft. How sad it is for people ( like myself ) who tend to take people at their word. I guess no amount of seroquel, lithium, etc. would help. I do still wonder if the new anti-depressants would have helped to relieve some of the self loathing he projected on to others, the need to manipulate them, or even self medicate. Probably not. Despite evidence to the contrary, I would like to understand and appreciate this cult thing. It is so far out of my frame of reference as to be almost unfathomable , I have been relying on experts, including yourself , to help me . Thank you again. I had heard the light bulb joke before, and laughed again now.

            • I assume you thought I would say that Hubbard could have helped by appropriate treatment.

              By disposition, I would love to believe that people like Hubbard could have been ‘redeemed’. However, experience has taught me that, although redemption is possible for such people, and does happen, it is very rare.

              Would modern medication have helped Hubbard? The problem is that his manic behaviour and depressive hangovers were caused by is frustration that other people would not comply with what he saw as reasonable demands made by a superior individual.

              It was this underlying personality disorder that needed to be addressed and, in its very nature, the people who suffer from it neither seek nor cooperate with treatment. The options available in his period (e.g. psychoanalysis) were inadequate to this task.

              BTW, we should not assume that all ‘cult’ behaviour can be explained by reference to abnormal psychology. Most believers are quite sane people, despite the crazy things that they go along with. My understanding of “this cult thing” has been most informed by social psychology which I have recorded here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-series/

            • daisy

              Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I tried to post a comment at your blog, but do not have facebook ,twitter, or those 2 other things. I have subscribed. I thought you were an everyday smart guy , not an expert. I should have known.
              No I didn’t think you would say he could be helped. I often do not make myself clear. I wanted you to say that. No one wants the boogy man to be real. I also did not make it clear but I agree that you do not need any special pathology to getting trapped. You may walk in with one. Apologies if this is too much information. I got interested in cults because a girlfriends, boyfriend got into one. I attended a support group with her. The counsellor had an interesting and scary story. He paid to go away for a quit smoking clinic for the weekend. Monday morning he gave all his possessions to the Moonies. I went to a similar clinic, but could not afford the weekend. There but the grace of Rabbit go I. The exes have shown me that they are both sane and smart, I was lucky. I look forward to your posts and reading the material in the link.

            • I am, by the way not an ‘expert’. I have a few appropriate qualifications and a lifelong fascination with fringe ideas (especially when they are held by people who are otherwise intelligent and capable). That’s it.

              The experts are people like Stephen Kent (who has amassed an amazing archive of Scientology materials) and Janja Lalich who is an academic sociologist whose work is informed by her membership of what she now realises was a political cult (see her book “Bounded Choice”).

              That’s the wonderful thing about this forum. Outsiders can run their theories in front of people who have been there , and learn whether they make sense or not, and ex-Scientologists can interact with perspectives that had been denied them before, which might help them understand their own experience.

            • PS You can sign up for a WordPress account (under a pseudonym) to comment on my blog.

          • LongtimeLurker

            People forget his fear of medicine in general. I bring it up during “debates”.

            I’ve even had other Scientology Awareness people (wanker!) say I have it wrong.

            It’s notable, because it’s one thing to have a distrust of something you can’t see or touch (mental health and its ailments & cures) which is just “woo” to many, but quite another to NOT GET BROKEN BONES LOOKED AT.

  • beauty for ashes

    Just watched all three videos.
    Nora’s~ Intro music too loud and too long. But then adorable Nora appears and tells a sad but true story about how Hubbard was impotent and angry, so he wanted everyone else to be deprived as well, because PSYCHS! **drink DGA***
    Aaron’s~ Shows that even with hostage releasing levels of negation skills, scientology goes cray cray when you say “meh not really so much any more.”
    Chris~ Sucks that the audio went wonky, not bad enough to not listen to it though. Also I was excited about Robyn’s story, try to listen more and talk less. Let her tell her own story. More Robyn!
    In other unrelated news, I have sugar free turtle sunday ice cream, and I am no longer angry at Elro Hubturd.
    Now back to your previously scheduled program, “Nite Crew at the Bunker.”

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I almost stopped for a mini sized one tonight. It’s just too damn close to my house. I’ll tell Elco you said Hi.

      • beauty for ashes

        My friend had one a block from her house. I got Hershey’s ice cream so I don’t feel deprived anymore. I got a large. 🙂
        And yes give Elco some kitteh smooshies for me!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I will. He’s on the screened in porch having his “backyard time” at the moment. The other one is right next to me on the couch…as usual. Enjoy your Hershey’s.

      • Yeah it was me recording myself too low. I did it a different way this time and didn’t realize it was to low till I had already recorded the whole video and then it was too late. I am NOT scripted my friends. That is me talking off the cuff in the moment. Every video. So it is good or not. But I will make sure it is perfect before I hit record next time!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          What program are you using for video editing? I think there must be a way to increase or decrease the volume level of audio tracks during post production.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I think your music and voice levels were fine. It was your hair level that was too low.

    • Sheesh. Sorry about the volume. The length of the intro song is 14 seconds. I love Salt ‘N Pepa but I know everyone isn’t a fan. Glad you liked the video though. I have taken notes for the next one!

      • Can’t please everyone. I was upset that it wasn’t 20 seconds of Pantera or Rammstein.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        See my reply below.

      • beauty for ashes

        Nora, It came on really loud on my laptop, which I always complain about the sucky sound. So I had to turn it down on the music and then turn it up to hear you.
        I really want your videos to do well, and hope you received this as constructive criticism. You obviously have talent ! 🙂

        • Absolutely constructive. I realized AFTER I posted the video that my volume was too low. I couldn’t correct it because I had been recording low. So next video will have PERFECT volume!!! L Wrong had it right!

      • jazzlover

        Yes, turn up the volume! Yours was “hearable” but not without really paying attention. And I hate paying attention 😉

        Seriously, I have the most trouble hearing Karen’s videos for some reason.

  • I’m pretty stoked about the fact that another DSA/OSA (Robyn) joined the “dark side”.
    It’s an ungreatful job that requires all kinds of mental gymnastics. You know what I mean, Internet OSA folks?
    Kudos to all the brave souls speaking out.

  • SP Wogsy
  • So nice to see many ex-sci’s doing their own videos as Karen DLC and Tory Magoo have done. Of course I helped Chris get going with his first videos so especially big kudos to him!

    • Jimmy3

      Everyone has a tremendous amount of respect for you. Always know that.

    • Kay

      Hi Angry Gay Pope !!!!

    • flyonthewall

      when I was visiting LA and saw PAC base and HGB I felt like I was there b4 bc of watching so many of your vids. You do great work

    • Supper Powers

      Good to see you!

      • daisy

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Dear Pope, I’m in love with you!

    • daisy

      All of my crushes on video today.

  • I want to be the nanny for the Cardones!!! How do I fake the requirements to get hired? That they are using social media as a recruiting mechanism (vs. being discreet and using reliable non “Hey world we need cray-cray to watch the bay-bays” means there are all kinds of opportunities for this to be the funniest babysitting gig ever.

    Not sure that I’m tone 4.0 but I’ve get extensive experience with massaging outsized egos.

    • Mary Smith

      I hear Ben Affleck’s nanny is available.

      • Missionary Kid

        Ooooooh! Zing. I’m laughing. Thanks.

      • Kay

        LOL !!

      • Why would I want to be her nanny?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’ll give you several references. I have lots of phones in my home office!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Here’s the thing…if you said you’d done all the courses somewhere far enough away (overseas?) and had the certificates to prove it (like that’d be hard) I reckon there’s every chance they wouldn’t check, because half-ass is as half-ass does.

      Also, no need to be overly concerned about who you let into your kid’s lives, after all, they’re just adults in small meatsacks, right?

      But it would look suspicious if you just suddenly appeared on social media. This is why you need a fake Farcebook page as a practising Scientologist.

      Which I don’t necessarily condone…

  • Mockingbird

    Today’s three terrific videos and the endless bad press for Scientology show this truly is the Golden Age of Critics ! Enjoy ! 🙂

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Speaking of threes…

      • Between Tiger and this you won 9000 Internet points.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Miss Lovely or : How I Learned to Stop Auditing and Love Myself.

        • Mockingbird

          Self love ? Uh……I do have a wife for that. 🙂

        • Rasha

          Wooooo-hoooooooo!!!!!! Woooooooooooooo-hooooooo!!!!!

      • flyonthewall

        wow! Is this on The Intrepid?

        • Eivol Ekdal

          U.S.S. Midway

          • Kay

            That’s what I thought…not because I’m a military expert by any means but I went there just last year….amazing. What a great place to take a photo of TUML !!

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Uno mas…

            • Kay

              ???? (One More?)

            • Kay

              Guess that is over my head…..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Holy Xenu, he’s the one from my nightmares. Creeeeeepy.

            • Kay

              OK..now I’m totally lost. I know that people yell Uno Mas when they’re drinking but past that I’m clueless, which is not an unusual state for me at times.

            • Kay

              OK I give up.

            • Kay

              Now I get it…..thx.

      • Mockingbird

        Is that for Miscavige ?

      • Graham

        “Do I look breakable to you?”

      • LongtimeLurker

        You sir, are a champion!

        So hope Tony and Paulette see these.

  • flyonthewall

    If you have Netflix, you should really watch Wet Hot American Summer. Most hilarious show I’ve seen in a long long time. Lots n lots of stars too. Like every 5min, oh I know that guy! Hey it’s that guy! Night guys

    • Hvis du har Netflix, skal du virkelig se Wet Hot American Summer.
      De fleste lattervækkende show jeg har set i lang lang tid. Masser n masser af stjerner
      også. Ligesom hver 5min, åh jeg ved, at fyr! Hey det er den fyr! Nat fyre!

      • flyonthewall

        lol, r u just repeating what I said in swedish or dutch?

        • Afrikaans.

          • flyonthewall

            i was in the neighborhood

  • Jimmy3

    If you have Netflix, you should really watch Wet Hot American Summer. Most hilarious show I’ve seen in a long long time. Lots n lots of stars too. Like every 5min, oh I know that guy! Hey it’s that guy! Night guys

    • Jimmy3

      dammit

      • If you have Netflix, you should really watch Wet Hot American Summer.
        Most hilarious show I’ve seen in a long long time. Lots n lots of stars
        too. Like every 5min, oh I know that guy! Hey it’s that guy! Night guys

        • Jimmy3

          shit on my socks! damn this all to Disqus Hell

          • Terl

            It’s okay, son.

        • SP Wogsy

          If you have Netflix, you should really watch Wet Hot American Summer. Most hilarious show I’ve seen in a long long time. Lots n lots of stars too. Like every 5min, oh I know that guy! Hey it’s that guy! Night guys

          • SP Wogsy

            ok, I’m really going.

          • 如果你有Netflix的,你真的應該看濕熱美國夏季。
            最熱鬧的節目我已經看到了一個很長很長的時間。很多ñ很多的明星
            太。像每5分鐘,哦,我知道那傢伙!嘿,這是這傢伙!夜的傢伙!

        • Si vous avez Netflix, vous devriez vraiment regarder Wet Hot American Summer.
          La plupart spectacle hilarant je l’ai vu dans une longue période de temps. Lots n beaucoup d’étoiles
          aussi. Comme toutes les 5 minutes, oh, je sais ce mec! Hey, il est ce gars! Les gars de nuit!

        • daisy

          Why is mon elle speaking several other languages and the same thing?

    • Hvis du har Netflix, skal du virkelig se Wet Hot American Summer.
      De fleste lattervækkende show jeg har set i lang lang tid. Masser N MASSER af stjerner
      også. Ligesom hver 5min Ag jeg ved op fyr! Hey det er den fyr! Nat vuur!

      • noseinabk

        For elle:Om du har Netflix, du borde verkligen titta på Wet Hot American Summer. De flesta roliga visa JAG& # 039 ;ve som ses i en lång lång tid. Massor n massor av stjärnor. Liksom varje 5 min, åh jag vet att killen! Hey det& # 039 ;s killen! Natt killar

      • LongtimeLurker

        Jeg elsker Google Oversætte . Hvilket er dumt, når man tænker over det, fordi som en “monolinguist”, jeg har ingen idé, hvis de endelige resultater er gode eller ej.

        eta – Scientologi er dårlig.

    • PlanetJ

      Peaky Blinders and Sense8 is awesome too!! I also like Marco Polo.

    • PlanetJ

      I’ll have to add Wet Hot Summer to my list. Right now my husband is watching some show about the 80s Miami/New York/Columbia drug cartel..can’t remember the name of it..it was to bloody for me to watch..but my husband loves it!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Narco?

      • ReallyMGM

        Going on my list. I have binged Breaking Bad and Outlander and need something new.

        I’m into music docs. Check out “Big Star: Nothing Can Hurt Me.” Best band you never heard of. PlanetJ you will see a familial face playing slide guitar in the background. “Muscle shoals” great music doc, too. Love “Beware of Mr Baker.” “Sound City” and “20 Feet from Stardom” are good ones too.

        • PlanetJ

          oh oh ohhh…All of these are going on my list!

        • PlanetJ

          Where are you binge watching Outlander?!?! I need the link STAT! I’ve gotten to epi 7..and then my BFF cut her cable off to move..so no I have nowhere to watch it! ;'(

      • Todd Tomorrow

        That’s one of my top ten docs of all time! About, Grizelda Blancho. Cocaine Cowboys!

      • daisy

        I love gore !!

        • PlanetJ

          You will love Narco then! I couldn’t watch it..I had something really bad happen in my life to the point to where I can’t watch shows with a lot of blood..a little,is fine. I can hide my face..but if it’s so bad that I can’t even watch the show AT ALL..I gotta skip it.

    • flyonthewall

      wow i have a lot of socks. I really need to get a new dryer

  • The only cool band that played at CC Int.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTnqOvGfqZo

    • Jimmy3
      • Great song. Fucked up vid.

        • Jimmy3

          If Cici was near somewhere you could relate to, then probably, yeah.

    • salin

      A band I would guess would never be invited to such an event, but which had a message as interesting (and important) in its time as it does today – that I only include (as a complete non-related to the topic) because for some reason the song came to mind – and it is one of my favorite videos:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iQbBbMAFE

  • beauty for ashes

    I thought Rebecca Holden looked familiar. You know of Knight Rider fame?
    Comedy Central Roast Red Carpet – Rebecca Holden from Sarah M on Vimeo.

    • beauty for ashes

      Does anyone else see two of these?

      • Kay

        Looks OK to me.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        If I squint, she looks like she stole Michael Jackson’s face. Does that count?

        • beauty for ashes

          Ha! It was just when I posted. Only one now that I’ve refreshed the page.

  • beauty for ashes
    • Kay

      She hasn’t changed her hairstyle much. 🙂 I never watched this show but now I know I didn’t miss much. LOL

      • beauty for ashes

        Hair, and lots of it! I loved this show but don’t remember her at all.

        • Kay

          I remember the car of all things…..laugh. I never was into Hasselhoff. Yup BIG hair…that would take an entire can of hairspray and lots of ratting.

  • jazzlover

    Last minute entry for the Cardone sweepstakes:

    • MaxSpaceman

      BTs and clusters infesting her face
      Those nasty buggers be all over the place
      Get a grip, Krusty, you certainly can
      If you were anymore unattractive they’d say you’re a man.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Is it wrong for me to want them to keep her?

        • daisy

          So so wrong, cause I want to put her in my Barbie collection.

      • jazzlover

        Well done! Definitely twitter-worthy 🙂

        • MaxSpaceman

          dang! it’s 32 characters too long :-/

          • jazzlover

            Take out the pronouns and articles (along with spaces) and you cut it in half. I’m sure you can modify down the rest 🙂

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yeah, I did a version tweeted by Max_Spaceman 🙂

              thanx for the motivation

            • jazzlover

              De nada. Can you share your new version?

            • MaxSpaceman

              F5 … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14c12cd05f9e4910541768e163151437f47d8b430bb9f862994c34ea982250a3.jpg

              Couldn’t figure out how to use a ” # ” or a ” @ ” and still make the stanza complete.

            • jazzlover

              Very nice! Are you planning to twat it to her?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Don’t know how to get the whole stanza in ‘and’ the @Kirstie blah blah

            • jazzlover

              Oh, I didn’t realize the address counted in the character count. Can you tweet her to ask her nicely yo shorten her address? 😉

            • GrandEclectus

              Screen cap it. She will block you immediately, so you get one shot at this.

    • Mockingbird

      Homo novis found !

    • Fink Jonas

      Holly #*$&^ she looks scary, lol, that has to be below 2 on the tone scale.

      • jazzlover

        I’m sure Cardouche would see it otherwise 🙂

  • Supper Powers

    After watching the videos, especially Aaron’s, I wonder how exes relearn trust and how to listen for even the closest people in their lives. My church didn’t mindfuck me and I can be leery of others. I cannot fathom what it takes to rebuild healthy boundaries, instincts and relationships after a few rounds in CoS. So grateful these three and many others found the courage to speak out loudly. Are you listening FBI and IRS?

    • ReallyMGM

      ^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Is,”Tone a scale” proper clam?

    • ReallyMGM

      I fear for the person who becomes their nanny. Too many selfies of their antics. It won’t end well. I wonder if it pays better than Sea Org?

    • romanesco

      Right? Like I said earlier, how ’bout Tone z scale?

  • Mockingbird

    I just found a very disturbing story at ESMB. I will share excerpts here and a link .
    This is extremely graphic . It is Challenge’s story.
    When I told you that I had “other fish to fry”, it just about wiped me out.

    Here it is:

    I had married the first boy/man that I ever had dates with. If you read my earlier posts, you will understand that thru my teen years, I was afraid of the male sex. Also, I slept in the same bed with my Mother until I was 18 years old. This wasn’t conducive to learning about sex, and I was ‘hot’ for some learnin’.

    So I married this Drummer with the band. We were in Phoenix together, and he had gotten into the habit of telling me to ‘snap’! and snapping his fingers frequently in my face. This was an integral part of Dn processing at the time.

    This progressed to hitting me in the face with his fists, and knocking me to the floor where he would kick me around. Many times I just stayed at home in my room because I was ashamed for anyone to see me because of bruises, black eyes, and split lips. Every day he told me what he would do to me the next day. These threats included tying me to the bumper of a car and dragging me thru the streets.

    I thought that I couldn’t get away from him. I became pregnant.
    Being pregnant saved me from a lot of Engram running . I was afraid that running engrams would harm my baby.

    During the months that followed, what I heard was wrangling from the Dianeticists, and those who wished to ‘do’ Scientology. Many of the brightest and best left summarily because they didn’t like the idea of changing Dn to something else. ( This was a bit before Ron decided that a Religion was what he really needed).

    So I had been recommended to this Dn Doctor, Joseph Bonnette. Ron’s lawyer, Jim Struckmeyer, had told me that Dr Bonnette was Ron’s personal physician and would take good care of me, and we could deliver a Dianetic baby. I was up for that. Of course there was no such thing as LaMaze, so all I really knew was that there was to be no drugs and no talking. I instructed Dr Bonnette that no matter what I said, not to give me any drugs. And for about 17 hours he didn’t. By that time I was too exhausted to deliver, so I was given something and the 9 lb. 13 oz baby girl was born.

    I had awakened to see that all the other Mothers in the ward were holding and feeding their babies, but my baby had not been brought to me. I asked a Nurse for my baby, and very shortly Jim Struckmeyer appeared and said that if I would just sign the papers that he was holding, I would never have to see my baby. That she was Mongoloid and probably wouldn’t live more than a couple of years.

    I passed out for some time, and when I awoke, I told them to bring me my baby. They brought her in and she had these bruises and scrapes, scratches, and cuts on both sides of her head. It had been a terrible birth for both of us. I had only gained 16 pounds and she weighed almost 10. So, anyways, I called for her little clothes and blankets and I dressed her and I took her out of there. The husband that I had never showed up at the Hospital. ( St Joseph’s Hospital in Phoenix. Feb, 1953.

    I ran away with her when she was about 2 mos. old. I had $20.00 and a Greyhound bus ticket to Texas, where my Mom lived.

    Love that story?

    Love those paragraphs? I guess next you’ll want me to use a spell checker!

    I expect now you see why it has been so hard for me to write this.

    Next I will tell you more of the tech stuff from ‘the day’. All was not dark for me before I had my baby. I had my biggest win of the 33 years that I was in the subject. But I do have to go now. I have a busy life, and typing this shit takes a toll on me.

    I have never run this stuff in a session, and never told more than 2 people about it. So there you go…and there I go.

    There was nothing wrong with my baby girl.

    The mo’ fo’s were going to sell her. I didn’t know that until a few years later. Chubby said something about it, and it turned out hat he knew all about it. He said those guys were selling baby girls for $500.00 each. Ron had to know that it was happening because he placed a question on the Jo’Berg Sec Ck ” Did you ever have anything to do with a baby farm?” Nowadays, no one knows what that even means. Well….now some of you do.
    So my daughter is now in her mid-50s, has 2 children and 3 grandchildren.
    She is a strong, independent woman. I talked to her yesterday.

    She was audited up thru Grade 2 ( quicky grades), and hasn’t had anything to do with Scn since she was given a body comm process which she thought was “feeling her up”, when she was17. She kept telling me that they were only after my money.

    Chlng
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?9882-The-beginning

    • daisy

      I cant go to that sight, I have thought about it, but I cant it is too hard.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I don’t. Went there a few times early on.

        Decided I would be worse than useless to the people there and that it wouldn’t be good for me either.

        • daisy

          You beautiful man, I was feeling guilty. Thank you for saying that.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Nah, doll. A lot of those people are on a path that few can help with. And that’s not a reflection on us or them.

            Also, it’s hard over the internet. In person, I’d probably be more likely to “go for it”, you know?

            You have nothing to feel guilty for.

            Yet… I’ve got my eye on you… ; )

            • daisy

              one of those smiley emotocoms.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s funny!

      • Mockingbird

        Don’t do anything you know us wrong for you. Recovery and life are not one size, one way fits all- your individuality is important and should be accepted.

        • daisy

          You are such a great inspiration . Thank you for saying that

          • Mockingbird

            Thanks daisy. Is your story written up anywhere? It’s okay if you don’t want to share your past , but if you had I would like the opportunity to hear it.

            • daisy

              No story. I am a never-in about 20 25 yrs ago a friend got caught in a cult. I went to a support group with his girlfriend. The counsellor told a scary story. He attended a quit smoking over a weekend. On Monday he gave all his possessions to the Moonies. I went to a stop smoking clinic. and was told they did it on a weekend. I couldn’t afford it. I got really lucky. I read a couple of books then, but not much information at the time. Times article rekindled my interest, but did not have a computer, so I didn’t follow -up The minute I got the internet , I looked for the much talked about Tom Cruise interview and then….That’s why he is important, for this cause, and not really any more important than anyone else. I understand he is brainwashed, but he does not live in the bubble.He chooses willful blindness. I have read your story. It is heart breaking I am so glad you are out teaching others, and you are wickedly funny.

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks so much . I am barely beginning compared to folks like Jon Atack, Arnie Lerma, Torry Magoo and many others . I am glad you see value in the Bunker and hope your recovery goes well. That is often a hard road .

    • LongtimeLurker

      MB, does she have a history over at ESMB?

      And is baby-farming something we’ve heard Scientology connected to previously? I feel like it might be, but I can’t remember where.

      I grew up pretty poor, but this “…I slept in the same bed with my Mother until I was 18 years old…” is not good.

      Unless there was another reason for it, but that would also be not good.

      • Ella Raitch

        Challenge is well known at ESMB – old-time ex

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks Ella.

          just looking for context.

          • Ella Raitch

            She announced about 6 months ago that she wasn’t posting any more. Think she was one of the 60’s crowd.

      • Mockingbird

        She has over a thousand posts there and is well known. The baby farm is actually in a question on the Joburg sec check ! Hubbard asks if you have run one, so he obviously knew what they were .

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks MB. Just trying to get an understanding.

          Jesus, that’s some tough reading.

          • Mockingbird

            Yeah, it is a tough story of Hubbard running a baby farm.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Hey exes / current crazy millionaire narcissists – how does one check where a potential employee is on the Tone Scale? (btw – a scale for how together one is as a person? Get bent Scientology.)

    Do you get a certificate saying “at such and such a time on Sunday the blah blah, Nanny Au Pair was 4.0 on the Tone Scale. Signed Buttfuque Org.”? Or would the Cardones…send her to their Org for a…check up?

    Or do they just meet and she says “yeah I’m 4.0” and they look her up and down and shrug and take her word for it?

    Because if it’s the last one, and the Tone Scale is so important, that’s freakin’ crazy.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      The how you evaluate where someone is on the Tone scale is explained in the book Self Analysis and on dissemination courses.

      • LongtimeLurker

        So it’s a thing the Cardones could do themselves?

        • MostEthicalPimp

          yes, you’re actually supposed to evaluate everyone and everything like movies and art as to where it falls on the tone scale.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Now that you’ve said that, of course I remember it.

            It’s hard to keep straight that kind of thinking, which is so alien to me personally.

            So unless I’ve read about it recently, I slowly forget, and then when I’m reminded I’m like “Oh yeah, that’s right! Smh.”

            Thanks for answering.

    • Mockingbird

      If you really want to know Hubbard had descriptions and charts in Science of Survival. And thousands of other descriptions throughout Scientology.

    • daisy

      Oh good the night shift is in , I was getting lonely.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yo’ girl!

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Special Thanks to Mark F5

  • Mockingbird

    Here is an anecdote about Hubbard trying and failing with his OT powers . From Challenge at ESMB.
    well….where was I?
    Oh, yeah. Phoenix. Into 1952 I was still looking for Dianetics. The only Dianetic stuff that I was exposed to was the guys snapping fingers in my face. I went into the “office” that was a storefront sort of thing and Ross Lameroux (spell), and Gordon Beckstead were in there talking about entities.
    Ross was saying that Ron was very fond of entities. I decided that I didn’t understand Bk 1 at all, and these people were all a lot smarter than me. Toward the end of ’52, My friend Bobby and Jackie Crank were in a car going somewhere. Bobby was driving. He ran some kind of Route 1 thing that he was studying on me while we were driving along. It was at night and the headlamps on the car were on. First thing I knew, I was out there on the light from the carlights. Merrily riding the light. Whoopee.( BTW, I have never ever had any trouble with exteriorization, and have never had an ‘int r/d’ myself).
    Also during the time from ’51 to early ’53, Ron would come into Phoenix from wherever he had been,and he would drop by the house. There often was a card game going on, and he would sit and watch for a short time, and then we would find ourselves trying to move the cards around without touching them. Also tried to move cellophane from cigarette packages around. No dice. Ron couldn’t do it anymore than the rest of us. It was said that there was a guy staying in one of the cabins over in the citrus grove at Ron’s house that was transporting feces around to different cabins during the night. I never saw it done. One time I went into a place on the 2nd floor of some place and Ron said, here hold these, and handed me two wires with some kind of duct tape or something covering the ends. This contraption was hooked up to a plumbing stack. I thought it was one of Joe Wallace’s attempts at making a meter. Ron was saying things to me that I didn’t understand, and I was massively confused. Another time Ron and I went driving out into the desert and stopped in a citrus grove and tried pulling oranges out of a tree with our minds. No win. Couln’t pull down clouds from the sky, either. I must tell you that I did not like Ron very much. My bad, but his appearance turned me off. He looked like a pig to me , with his orange hair, pink skin, and purple liverlike lips.
    god I hate trying to piece this together. Some of you are much better educated than I in what was actually going on in those times. It was as though I was being carried on a great River of Chance and Change, and as exciting as that was, I had other fish to fry.

    Chlng

    • LongtimeLurker

      Googled “int r/d”, saw one of the hits was’

      “This is the full theory and RD of the Recall Int Remedy given on ST3. Note: This write-up applies to pc’s not previously given an Int Rundown with engram …”

      And then thought, “yeah Lurker, that’s okay, you don’t need more of that in your head” and closed the tab.

      • Mockingbird

        Ha ha ! I quickly realized in unwrapping the Scientology web of lies that with a reported thirty five million words I will never live long enough to inspect each one. I advise dealing with ones you are upset by or confused about or have conflicted feelings about. There are far too many to take on all of them.

        • LongtimeLurker

          35 million?

          Fuck that.

          • Mockingbird

            Yeah, a bit much. So much no one was ever meant to see what Hubbard did.

    • Now isn’t this the (hilariously unintentional) perfect metaphor for scientology:

      “It was said that there was a guy staying in one of the cabins over in the citrus grove at Ron’s house that was transporting feces around to different cabins during the night.”

      • Mockingbird

        I knew someone would love that . No shoops please .

  • Pierrot

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  • Mockingbird

    Here are two quotes from Margaret Singer’s book Cults In Our Midst. I plan to write an in depth analysis of this relative to Scientology.

    A cult is a mirror of what is inside the cult leader. He has no restraints on him. He can make his fantasies and desires come alive in the world he creates around him. ( page 254 )

    The cult leader’s idiosyncratic notions permeate the system he puts into operation. There is no feedback. No criticism is allowed. When he finally gets his followers to be sufficiently obedient, he can wield unlimited power and get his followers to carry out whatever acts he directs…the cult leader moves, directs, chastises–even kills–those who disobey. ( page 255 )

    • jane456

      Very good book.

      • Mockingbird

        🙂

  • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

    Man, that new front group doesn’t waste any time with chit chat before they hold out the donation bucket.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    PlanetJ, you around?

    • daisy

      LL – OB gave me his opinion. Thank you so much for your help. I wish we didn’t work opposite shifts, but then we would be interrupting this blog, ( me at least ) trying to make you laugh. You are brilliant at making me laugh and 70% (hey I found the percent key ) of the time, I don’t understand your jokes.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hugs & kisses doll.
        Well done on the % key!

    • PlanetJ

      dude..come back! Where’d you go and why?

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    New favorite quote from “Cradle to Slave”: “It gets better. Hang on.”