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VIDEO: Scientology rehab salesmen — Just exactly the humanitarians you imagined

LifeSolutionsAfter our story on Tuesday about the death of Amber Bullins at one of Per Wickstrom’s rehab facilities in Michigan, we received numerous tips from readers about the Narconon-style network Wickstrom runs. (Some of Wickstrom’s businesses are licensed by Scientology’s Narconon network, others just make use of Narconon materials.)

The most interesting thing we received was a video that our tipster tells us was made in 2012. It features some employees for an outfit called Life Solutions, in Battle Creek. Part of the Wickstrom empire, it’s a referral outfit that takes inquiries from members of the public who are desperately trying to find a rehab center for a loved one.

Two years ago, we showed you the kind of scripts that such boiler-room operations use to direct people to Narconon centers. They convince distraught parents or prospective patients that Narconon is their only solution. Such recruiters are also known to keep quiet that Narconon centers don’t actually deliver drug counseling but instead put patients through Scientology training. Their job is to push people to Narconon, and they typically get paid a ten percent commission on the price of rehab, which is around $30,000.

As we’ve seen many times in the lawsuits brought by Ryan Hamilton and other lawyers, people with serious drug problems, or their desperate family members, turn to Narconon in distress. Now, we get some sense of the people on the other end of the phone who get those calls for help…

 

 
One of the places that Life Solutions referred people to was Tranquillity Detox, the facility where patient Amber Bullins died in 2012. According to its 2012 tax return, Tranquillity Detox paid Life Solutions $2.5 million that year for referring patients. Our tipster sent us this photo of Tranquillity Detox and said, “Who knew that this decrepit old office building would generate over $5 million in revenue in 2012?”

 
Tranquility

 
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New Ideal Org in Basel comes under investigation

Our man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, has a quick report for us on the news coming out of Switzerland this morning…

 
So far as I can understand from Swiss press reports, this is an investigation of the employment status of some of the Scientologists working in Basel at the new Ideal Org which just opened in April.

City officials visited Scientology’s offices there on Tuesday investigating reports that they were employing foreign nationals without having observed the proper formalities, the Basler Zeitung reported today.

Officials from the Office for Economy and Labour (AWA) arrived at Scientology’s Basel offices, accompanied by police officers, and questioned about 40 people there. (See here for an English-language summary of what they do.)

They were investigating reports that some foreign workers had not been officially declared and that their employers were not therefore making social security payments they are legally required to do.

Officials were seeking to establish first, if this was the case; and if it was the case then whether it was an attempt to systematically get around the legal requirements regarding their employees.

The investigation was ongoing, AWA chief Hansjürg Dolder said on Friday.

I’ve fired off an email to him asking for more details and if I hear back I’ll let you know. (But from what I hear, even the Swiss take weekends off.)

— Jonny Jacobsen

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Actual caption: “30,384 Way to Happiness books unloaded for Joburg Org today and another 270,000 coming…booyaah!! Ready to bring morals to Joburg.”

 
SciJoburg

 
Actual caption: “And we are hard at work! Booklets arrived from Denmark!”

 
SciRussia5

 
Actual caption: “Feeling fine! Studying ‘The Science of Survival’ by #LRonHubbard”

 
SciGer

 
Hey, girl. Let’s do some regging!

 
SciReg

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, Hong Kong restaurant (1238 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge) 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus, Walter Cronkite Theater, 5:30 pm

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 25: Melbourne

Oct 28: Adelaide (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 21, 2015 at 07:00

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
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  • Science Doc

    It hurts to see Hubbard’s crap translated into the language of Goethe.

  • anoni81b4u

    Like all thing stupidtology, I had to check out the way to happiness.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Bravo to whoever made the additions. You, or is this old?

      • anoni81b4u

        Its mine.. the additions that is:)

        • LongtimeLurker

          You’re a f**kin’ genius mate.

          It’s great.

        • daisy

          I would like to add ,don’t murder but it is acceptable to drive one to suicide. Otherwise great list, it didn’t say anything about not drinking

    • madame duran

      *snickers*

    • aegerprimo

      Spot on.

    • PlanetJ

      Hilarious!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    About three years ago I called to get their pitch. They’ve had recent trouble because the guy referred to it,”based on theories of L. Ron.” I wished it would have ended there. I’d forgotten when you call a toll free number, even if it’s private they still have it. They kept calling back about my,’troubled sister” for about a week. I was on vacation and my asst. was so confused. Finally, when I returned I told them that i’d read a great deal about the numerous deaths and who Mr. Hubbard was. He still didn’t stop until I told her that she was put into the care of, The Betty Ford center.

    • Chee Chalker

      I think it would be fun to call and hear this pitch for myself. At least that will keep them from harassing swindling someone else for 10 min.
      Now imagine if all ’40 or 50′ readers of this blog and other blogs on the fringes of the internet called. Maybe we could even save a life!

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Sure Mr Tomorrow, there were some deaths, but that was all under the old regime. We’ve fixed everything now!”

  • Mark

    I think there’s something entheta going on in Germany (refresh at the bottom of the pile):

    • B4you

      You did not? How and what does it say?

      • LongtimeLurker

        “I have their money.”

        • LongtimeLurker

          Man, how is it that I get a broken Google Translate? Why does nothing ever come up Lurker?

      • Mark

        “Have you given me the money?”

    • LongtimeLurker

      I love that I had to go to Google Translate.

      ; )

  • SP Wogsy

    Way O/T: But I just got off the phone with Tory Magoo, and I have to say what an awesome human-being she is! Love love love her for taking the time for addressing my concerns and some issues that came up for me. Yes, I’m name dropping : ) Okay, you can cayry on.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Are you okay Wogsy?

      • SP Wogsy

        Yes. All good. I just had some concerns. My family members (never-ins) are really in the dark about what happened, so I felt like I needed to reach out.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Okay. Glad your all good. Hugs.

          • SP Wogsy

            Thanks
            (breathe in, breathe out)

        • Supper Powers

          It’s important to talk to people who can understand. Good work taking care of yourself.

          • SP Wogsy

            I was imploding the last couple weeks, so it was nice to hear a voice of reason who could relate. Very nice and open lady.

            • She really is. Glad you are feeling better.

            • SP Wogsy

              Yes, Thx much.

    • beauty for ashes

      Yeah! But partly dream realized too? Sad, bad and good at the same time? I’m glad you were helped!
      *MWAH* and (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      • SP Wogsy

        Kinda. It’s the first time I reached out to an ex, so it’s nice to hear someone who can relate. I told her I felt like I was talking to a rock star lol. What a groupie right? I was scared shitless but I feel better for now. : )

        • beauty for ashes

          Nah , no groupie!

    • marie

      I think I have a girl crush on her! I would love to join her on a picket/outing.

    • Rasha

      OMX! Comet Tory??? Didja tell her Rasha sad ‘Hi?’ DIDJA??? ssshhhBAP!!! OH! Sorry – that was totally an accident.

      • SP Wogsy

        Yes!!!!!!!! I am totally acting like I’m 13. How mature right? Okay, what were we talking about again? Oh yes, Rasha. No, sorry.

        • Rasha

          …..next time. Promise.

          • SP Wogsy

            Well, she said I could call her anytime, so I guess that means I didn’t sound crazy lol. Yes, I promise.

            • Rasha

              (pinky promise) WOOO!!!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Every year I keep hoping that one of these “LRH Writers of the Future” winners will let loose at the award ceremony about how LRH & CO$ are the antithesis of freedom of expression, etc and tell them where to stick the award. I’ll gonna keep postulating this until it happens…

    https://twitter.com/mmmirele/status/634796256418656256

    • B4you

      Can i work on those 2 chicks in the shop and in the near future?

    • Sid

      This must be a handout for Dragon Con in Atlanta. I think they are at Booth #1222 there. Comes up in early September. Edit: Just noticed this thing is for end of August so not for Dragon Con.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Well if CO$ isn’t a drag and con, I don’t know what is… *rimshot*

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        This is at Sasquan, the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention, also known as Worldcon, in Spokane, Washington (August 19-23, 2015)

        • Sid

          Okay, thanks. They are apparently going to be at Dragon Con in September also.

          • marie

            Gah. I know a few people who volunteer/run/manage it. I need to find out what/how much they know.

    • LongtimeLurker

      To Twitter to ‘inform’ the entrants!!!

    • jane456

      Google Orson Scott Card + homophobia. Is he also a Scientologist?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        “Card is the great-great-grandson of Mormon icon Brigham Young, and his
        politics are deeply linked to his lifelong Mormonism. Card has been
        openly railing against what he calls “the homosexual agenda” for decades”. Sounds like a “birds of a feather…” situation. But who knows, the clams can be very persuasive in love-bombing celebrities.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Nope. Just a strange coincidence.

        He pathetically begged SF fans not to boycott the film of Ender’s Game just because he was a bigot who boycotted gay marriage.

        Luckily it was utter crap, so no one had to boycott anything.

  • Miss Tia

    Made a public post in my blog for those not on FB for my BLIMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tandem flight…..went to Goodyear HQ and they circled it 4 times…..and they ended up–I like to think taking my hint—and WF1 came over my house on their way back to base! 🙂 Couple videos too….

    http://misstia.livejournal.com/803922.html

    • Rasha

      LUV me a blimp! TWO together??? AAAAIIIIGGHHH!!!!

      • Miss Tia

        If only I had had a digital camera with great zoom and HD in 2002 when there was FOUR Goodyear Blimps flying together!!!

        • Rasha

          Oh……..my……….. I mean, I could sit for hours just watching thunderheads on the horizon… I can’t imagine seeing 4 blimps together!

          • Miss Tia

            today was up close with two though and that was AMAZINGLY AWESOME!!! especially after i got home and WF1 flew over my house! 🙂

    • PlanetJ

      You got some great shots!

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks!!

        • PlanetJ

          Let me know if you ever get some good graveyard shots,I remember you saying that you wanted to do that..I’d love to see them,if you ever do it. 🙂

          • Miss Tia

            i’ve taken lots of pix at Glenwood Cemetery, but haven’t taken any with my new camera…..haven’t been there in 2 years….i need to go over there…..

  • Those guys in the video are not Narconon salesmen. They are just some janitors.

    • B4you

      Now you tell!

      We all ready hung them 🙂

  • Observer

    This is what I saw when I looked at the pic of Happy Reg Man:

    refresh

  • TonyOrtega

    Ahhhhhhhh. Friday night margarita at my joint. How’s everyone doing?

    • SP Wogsy

      Well, I just got off the phone with Tory, so I feel great! How are you?

      • TonyOrtega

        She gave me a trophy once. It has an honored place in the bunker.

        • SP Wogsy

          Sweet! I did not know that. She is an extremely positive no nonsense lady. Love her.

    • Observer

      I’m watching Mr. Observer listen to a podcast on headphones while he watches Family Guy with the sound off.

      • TonyOrtega

        Now that’s multitasking

      • Jimmy3

        meanwhile, somewhere on a Family Guy podcast forum…

        Watcher: I’m observing Mrs. Watcher make fun of Scientology while I’m observing her watching me listen to this podcast and observe this show.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Good…good. A lazy Saturday…

      • TonyOrtega

        Still Friday on this side of the planet.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Yes… it would be. Make the most of it. 😉

          Question – maybe you know. What does Allison Hope Weiner drink on her show? It’s become a thing… we need to know what that ‘black’ drink is!

          • TonyOrtega

            Not telling.

            • EnthralledObserver

              :O No fair.
              Must be something really naughty then.

          • Juicer77

            I suspect it’s Coca-Cola or some such. She’s a professional.

    • Supper Powers

      Did Per send you a “Damn you Ortega!” email this week?

      • TonyOrtega

        He doesn’t operate that way.

      • LongtimeLurker

        The content of Per’s tweets changed noticeably at a suspiciously coincidental time.

        “Per Wickstrom swung his Laser Luger round to cover the advancing Saturnians. He knew if he could hold them off just a bit longer, Moon Mistress Ardania would be able to get her Strato-Corvette into an attack position. “For Sol System!” He yelled and charged the hideous green horde.”

    • Guiness Blonde and House of Cards.

      • daisy

        Guiness Blonde had better be a drink. Never mind Ill get my own .Theres still rye in the back. Baby didn’t drink it all did she?

        • Not telling.

          • daisy

            about the blonde or if there is drink? If its the latter, I always have a fifth in my purse, so no worries, If its the first, How could you? watching House of Cards used to be our thing !!!

            • Yeah, well, may be you will think twice next time you decide watching The Bachelor without me, sweet heart.

            • daisy

              If you were home more and not our whoring around with blond Irish girls I wouldn’t have too

            • LongtimeLurker

              You two!

              Only in the bunker.

            • daisy

              I heard someone up thread had tequila ,be a dear and bring the botlle back to the table and sit, Dodo s out at a bar watching House of Cards with some blond named Guiness, and I dont like to drink alone. I do , but I dont like it

            • LongtimeLurker

              Alright.

              No one up there was listening to me anyway.

            • phoebequeen

              I listened to you , man. I listened.

            • phoebequeen

              OOoh, that be me. Hiccup. Scuce me.

            • you were not there, when I needed you

    • LongtimeLurker

      Man, maybe I should have a hair of the dog?

      Wonder if I’ve got Bloody Mary fixins?

    • PlanetJ

      A margarita sounds really good right now..sigh..

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’m still at work 🙁

    • anoni81b4u

      Friday night joint at my Margarita’s also.

      • PlanetJ

        Tahaaa. *laugh*

    • Rasha

      Enjoying a Vodka Bunker Nailgun before bed. Gotta be up early.

    • Juicer77

      Please say hello to Armando and let him know the Tripadvisor page is up!

    • Ruby

      Friday night, much needed cerveza…or 3. Doing better now. 🙂
      Cheers Bunker friends!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’ll be in Clamwater Sunday for a Toto/Yes concert. Woohoo!

      • PlanetJ

        I am JEALOUS! One of my favorite things to do is listen to Yes,while watching Roger Dean art slides on youtube.
        Have fun!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          PlanetJ, I think Cupid just shot me with an arrow. Years ago, Roger came for a book signing at the record store I worked at. I got his autograph on all of the album covers I had.

          • Kim O’Brien

            hey …:(

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hey, I took this picture for you tonight. I’ve been driving around a lot recently, scoping out new places to move to and just tonight I saw this street and laughed my head off thinking about you. I hope it’s not too blurry to make out. (refresh)

            • Kim O’Brien

              ok..so to the newbies ..i am not a dike …and i love men in sarongs 😉 LOL

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              The Dike Rd part was just an added bonus. Although it will be tough to not snicker every time if I move there.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Is that a thing? Is there like…male sarong porn?

              Have I been doing everything wrong all this time?

              Mind. Blown.

            • Kim O’Brien

              men who can wear sarongs ….on the beach ..OMG ..best.thing.ever. Ya know who pulls it off ?? Matthew Mc. Yup .

            • LongtimeLurker

              I have seen picture of him doing that, actually.

              Yeah, don’t think I can compete.

              Oh well.

            • Kim O’Brien

              yeah ..i look JUST like his wife 🙂 LOL

            • TexasBroad

              If you have a picture of that Kim…well, that would really make my day!

            • Kim O’Brien

              This guy works too …Bon Jovi . Matthew is in my head …and mute

            • TexasBroad

              Why, yes. Yes. That does work. Also. Too. As well. Ahem…er, thanks!

            • PlanetJ

              I love red headed men in kilts..I blame reading and watching the Outlander series for that. Thank you,Diane Gabaldon,for inventing Jamie Fraiser. He Fine!

            • ReallyMGM

              Oh dear God, he is about the best thing ever invented, isn’t he? I got so hooked on those books and now the TV show!!!

            • PlanetJ

              Gurrrrl..You ain’t tellin’ me nothin’! She picked the PERFECT Jamie! I have been reading the books for years..Love it!

            • ReallyMGM

              We have to wait until March 2016!!!!

            • PlanetJ

              For the next book…or the 2nd season of Outlander?

            • ReallyMGM

              2nd season

            • LongtimeLurker

              ha!

          • PlanetJ

            Now I’m SUPER jealous! I would love to pick his brain! I’ll post a video for you in a sec..I think you will love it! 😉

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Cool! I’m patiently waiting.

            • PlanetJ

              I’ll post it up at the top!

          • SP Wogsy

            : )

        • LongtimeLurker

          I have 2 large format Roger Dean art books from the 80s.

          • PlanetJ

            The jealously is to much to handle now! I need one of those books..I’m going to have to get one.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I only said it to feed off your jealousy.

              I haven’t looked at them in ages. I’m gonna see if I can find them.

            • PlanetJ

              My aunt has the flying elephant tattoo on her leg..its so cool!

            • LongtimeLurker

              God that is cool! Go Aunty.

            • PlanetJ

              My parents had a rental house in the 70s that my uncle lived in..his room mate was an artist. The room mate painted Roger Dean’s flying elephant on the kitchen wall. It stayed there till my parents sold it and had to paint over it..I was super sad to see it go. 🙁

            • LongtimeLurker

              That is sad.

            • PlanetJ

              It was like watching someone burn art. 🙁

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Back in college, my buddy got his first tattoo. He got this bird from the YesShows cover. The tattoo artist messed up the birds head and did it upside down compared to the rest of the body. I told my buddy and he just said it looked right to him and that I was crazy. We argued a while and then I let it go and said, “whatever man, it’s on your leg forever you idiot” About 10 years later, he calls me out of the blue and says “Hey asshole, you’re right. I saw it in a mirror and the bird’s head IS upside down” and then hangs up on me before I could gloat.

            • PlanetJ

              LMAO! 😀 😀

            • phoebequeen

              Ahhhh!!!! that is funny as hell!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

    • Kim O’Brien

      joint ??!!..oh wait ..i forgot 🙂

    • chukicita

      Someone needs to refresh themselves on the whole “Hey, girl” concept.

      • phoebequeen

        Snort!

    • TexasBroad

      I just got here after being gone for hours and see 909 comments. Poured my wine and am trying to decide whether to sort by Newest, Oldest, Best, or just see what happens next. Okay – I’m going in…Cheers!

      • TexasBroad

        Crap — I scrolled up instead of down and I clearly need to switch to whiskey.

  • aegerprimo

    I noticed in the video of the “salesmen”, that the guy in the white polo shirt says the lady, the caller has a state medical card, a total “non qual”. In sciloon speak, that means DOES NOT HAVE MONEY.

    I find it sickening that these guys are giggling though this whole video because this person did not have money. They did not care that she was probably a desperate and broke addict that was seeking help. Her state medical card was probably Medicaid, and I’m sure if the Co$ found a way to profit from that they would’ve by now.

    • SP Wogsy

      Okay, well you totally answered my earlier question. That is disgusting.

      • aegerprimo

        Glad I your question got answered, but not sure why it is disgusting. (Sometimes, things go over my head when I have just finished a 12 hour shift).

        • SP Wogsy

          Sorry, I meant it is disgusting that non-qual means no money. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Earlier, I asked what non-qual meant and no one had an answer.

        • LongtimeLurker

          She meant your hair after your 12 hour shift.

          Go splash some water on your face and then come back.

          I’ll make you a coffee.

          • aegerprimo

            Thank you Lurker!

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s fine. We still love you.

              Picturing surgical-cap hat head…lol.

          • SP Wogsy

            Ssshhhhh! I told you not to say anything about the hair!

            • aegerprimo

              It’s okay, I am used to bad hair days.

            • Juicer77

              XD I can relate!

            • What’s the name of this young Jedi.

            • anoni81b4u

              O.B.One Kittynomey

            • Juicer77

              Anacat Skyscratcher

            • aegerprimo

              Yoda no try just doo

            • phoebequeen

              Woof.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sorry! At least I didn’t mention she’s got her scrubs on inside out.

            • aegerprimo

              Heh heh, did you know most scrubs are designed to be worn inside out and outside in?
              Thank goodness for that. Seriously, hospital scrubs have pockets on the outside and inside, and tags on both sides. I guess the fashion designers were thinking of nerds dressing themselves during long shifts during any time of day, with or without coffee or sleep….

            • LongtimeLurker

              That is so awesome! And now I know it too.

              Thanks aeger!

            • aegerprimo

              I am packed with useful daily info.

    • Observer

      Being poor possibly saved her from a fate worse than addiction.

      • aegerprimo

        Very true.

  • A True Prince

    Came across this item, here’s that CO$ might be included….

    WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — The IRS is getting pressured to begin cracking down on televangelists following a John Oliver segment on HBO’s “Last Week Tonight.”

    Oliver blasted televangelists this past Sunday for what he called
    “seed faith,” where they tell donors they will reap the rewards by
    giving money to them.

    “They preach something called the prosperity gospel which argues that wealth is a sign of God’s favor and donations will result
    in wealth coming back to you. That idea sometimes takes the form of
    seed faith – the notion that donations are seeds that you will one day
    get to harvest,” Oliver said in the segment.

    He continued, “The argument is ‘sow your money into the ground, you
    will reap returns multiple times over,’ except as an investment you’d be
    better off burying your money in the actual ground because at least
    that way there’s a chance your dog may dig it up and give it back to you
    one day.”

    People have donated millions to televangelists through the “prosperity gospel,” believing by giving money, God will help them.

    “They keep trying to send more money, more money, more money so they
    can get healed,” Trinity Foundation president Ole Anthony, whose group
    investigates religious fraud, told CBS News.

    Anthony explained to CBS News that televangelists are able to receive millions because the IRS has turned a “blind eye” to their tax-exempt churches.

    “A few years ago, the IRS named Scientology a church. Since that happened, anybody can call themselves a church,” Anthony said.

    CBS News reports the IRS only conducted three church audits from 2013 to 2014 after suspending them completely from 2009 to 2013.

    “You are always going to find abuses and excesses in the non-profit
    community, and even in the church world,” Alliance Defending Freedom
    Senior Counsel Erik Stanley told CBS News.

    He added, “There is no surer way to destroy that free exercise of religion than to begin to tax it.”

    Oliver set up his own church called “Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption” to prove his point.

    “Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption will not be able to accept donations
    from Church supporters from the states of Mississippi, Nevada,
    Pennsylvania, or South Carolina. We apologize for any inconvenience. Our
    Lady of Perpetual Exemption may choose to wind down and dissolve in the
    near future,” the website states. “Upon dissolution, any assets
    belonging to the Church at that time will be distributed to Doctors
    Without Borders, a non-profit charitable organization that is tax-exempt
    under § 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code (EIN: 13-3433452) and
    which provides emergency medical aid in places where it is needed
    most.”

    The IRS did not comment to CBS News about the story.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Joking & Degrading.

      Where’s your confront and shatter now, Ron?

    • EnthralledObserver

      “The IRS did not comment to CBS News about the story.”

      Why does a Government agency get this luxury? I don’t understand this at all.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Our taxes pay for you, now talk assholes!

        • anoni81b4u

          what he said !

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah!

            To the revolution…bus?

            • anoni81b4u

              If The Person who paid me wanted to know something about how I do my job, I would have to tell that person, or I am sure I would get fired. Not So for the I.R.S. fucking government fatcat slimeballs …don’t get me started 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              They’ve really dropped the ball on this one, that’s for sure.

            • anoni81b4u

              You have to pick up the ball before you can drop it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Nice one!

      • aegerprimo

        I don’t get it either. But my take… oh shit, am I going to talk politics? I think it would NOT be appropriate here. I will say, when it comes to politics, etc….. money talks.
        Money is power.

    • phoebequeen

      Wait, does this mean the guy begging for his plane won’t get it now? Bummer man.

  • Juicer77

    Checking in after a great night with friends. neighbors caught a bushel+ of blue crabs, steamed and consumed with much laughter, beer and wine. Great end to a tough week (work related).

    I hope the investigation in Basel bears fruit re: undocumented workers and their undeclared status/social security wages. They deserve better treatment than they are probably getting, and I hope a legal precendent gets set here to hold the Co$’ feet to the fire. Grrrrr….

    • SP Wogsy

      My mouth just watered. Dear god..that sounds amazing!

      • Juicer77

        ‘Twas 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          Hope next week’s better.

          Shut up about your damn yummy crabs.

          • Juicer77

            Thanks, LL. Next few weeks will be rough but all will be well by end of September.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Fingers crossed for you.

            • Juicer77

              It’s all good. Just stressful. xoxo

    • phoebequeen

      Crabs. Yum.

  • PlanetJ

    This is for Mr. Hubturd…and anyone else that love Yes and Roger Dean art. ENJOY! 🙂

    https://youtu.be/P6jAMwK-4QU

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Shit, he just stole that from Avatar.

      I kid, I kid….I’ve got the system cranked up right now. Love me some Changes. I really enjoy playing in odd time signatures.

      Ummmmm, wtf just happened? Roger Dean and then all of a sudden naked people?

      • PlanetJ

        Close your eyes during that part..it will go back to Roger Dean in a sec..lol

      • Juicer77

        What’s the Led Zeppelin song that changes between two time signatures? I’m blanking out. Like a South American dance. I love it!

        • PlanetJ

          I’m a HUGE Zep fan too!! I saw Plant and Page in 97- 98′ (?). Then I saw Plant a couple of years ago at a blues fest..he has still got it! I’m so in love with him!

          • LongtimeLurker

            You kids, with your new bands!

            • PlanetJ

              LOL! My sister and brother are 9 and 10 years older than me..I had to listen to what they liked growing up. Zeppelin,The Eagles,Yes,ELO..etc..Then I married someone that is a Zep lover too..so I guess it’s fate. lol

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Black dog?

          • Juicer77

            Nope… gah, I’m tired.

        • PlanetJ

          Fool in the rain?

          • Robert Eckert

            I don’t think the burst in the middle of Fool in the Rain really has a time signature.

            OK, how about Over the Hills and Far Away?

            • Juicer77

              That’s it, RE. Thank goodness for YouTube!

        • PlanetJ

          Kashmir!

          • Juicer77

            Nope, that’s not it either. Darn it…

            • PlanetJ

              This is going to bug me all night no! lol..do you know any of the words?

            • Juicer77

              No… I’ve got the cut-time part running through my head and it’s the instrumental part. To tired and fuddled to remember the other part.

            • Juicer77

              Got it!! Fool In The Rain!! 🙂

            • PlanetJ

              That was the 2nd song I posted..down there..vvv
              Love that song!

      • PlanetJ

        Dude totally stole from Roger Deans art for Avatar!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Totally. The fact that James Cameron and the production design team blew him off after initial complaints is bullshit too.

          Disney is building an Avartar land here in Orlando. At least it ought to look really cool when it’s done.

          • PlanetJ

            I so agree. That was shitty of him.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I like Avatar, but was also aware of Cameron’s ‘inspiration’ the minute I first saw the trailers.

        I try not to think about it.

        Cognitive dissonance!

      • PlanetJ

        Go to this guy that made this video’s youtube page..he has a ton of Yes vids with Roger Dean art added to them. I think you will like it.

  • LongtimeLurker

    *stands on bar*

    HEY HEY! OVER HERE!

    This is too good. o……m……g…….

    I soooooo hope this hasn’t already been shared with the bulk of us yo no hablo español-ers.

    Go look again at the Spanish language version of whichever Hubbard drek it is that Hey-Girl Regtime is carrying in Tony’s last photo.

    You know why it says L Ronald Hubbard?

    Because Ron in Spanish is Rum.

    And as we know, Ron did his best work while refreshed with that beverage – “I’m drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys”.

    If that ain’t proof that God hates Hubbard….

    • phoebequeen

      Hey, while you’re up on the bar, would you mind handing me some Tequila ? Thanks. Here’s a fiver for your trouble.

      • Juicer77

        And get me a shot of Fireball. Pleaseandthankyou.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Here you go. We’re running low on that, so you might have to switch it up later.

          So how awesome is it that…Juicer! JUICER!!!

          Gdamn it.

          • Juicer77

            It was just a little sip… *hic*
            XD

        • PlanetJ

          Goldschläger for me!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Here’s the Tequila…keep the money.

        Did you hear what I just said?

        See in Spanish…Ron…

        …come back!

        This is BS.

        • phoebequeen

          Oh, sorry, yep I did. That is hysterical . Such dumb fucks. Need a lime now. Slurp.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I hate you all.

            • phoebequeen

              I don’t know what you need from me man?!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I dunno either.

              I’m the problem.

            • phoebequeen

              Now, don’t be like that man. You don’t want to make yourself stand in a trash can or anything. Maxspaceman gave you a high five! There , there, now, now, pat, pat, pat. Hiccup.

      • chukicita

        I don’t think I’ll ever have a rum runner again.

        • phoebequeen

          I know how you feel. Hic. Would you like to share a chigger of something else? hic

        • LongtimeLurker

          Ron Runner
          Ron & Coke
          Ron Rickey
          Caribbean Ron Punch

          • chukicita

            Yo ho ho and a bottle of Ron!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ahhh…the lulz!

    • MaxSpaceman

      that’s great !

      was wondering why it said Ronald! It’s impossible that Dave would let that by. Ronald, indeed !

      • phoebequeen

        Thank you. I wasn’t giving him the needed feed back he needed. I feel so useless. Hiccup. Need more tequila.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Look, take the bottle.

          You were fine. I was just over-excited.

          Was probably the Espresso Martini.

          • daisy

            What do you mean take the bottle. You had better have another bottle

            • phoebequeen

              Rut rhow.

            • LongtimeLurker

              sshhhh

              SHHH

              There’s a case under the old billiard table.

              Or whatever it’s called in the US.

              Pool? 9 ball? I dunno

            • phoebequeen

              Me first!

            • daisy

              I knew you were a good enabler

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well, I’ll help you stop if you want.

              But if you don’t, I’ll help with that too.

              I’m helpful.

            • daisy

              No I have been learning about these de-tox places They pump you full of vitamins and make you sweat and then they let you die. I would like to live to drink another day. I also think I might take Dodo back. I miss his abuse ( music)

            • LongtimeLurker

              abuse/music lol

              I was really with you on the detox, vitamins, sweat thing…

              …then I got to the death part.

            • PlanetJ

              We call it a pool table..or at least where I’m from,anyway.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I thought so.

              And billiards is probably UK & Australian.

              I think I’ve always called it a pool table as well, probably because I’ve always been into US pop-culture.

            • daisy

              Is this cat girl phoebequeen, always going to interfere with me getting my drink on ?

            • phoebequeen

              Give me the nip and I will go away. BWWAAAHH!!!

            • daisy

              Why didn’t you say so. No problem at all. I ve got tons laying around somewhere. I bought it for my dog but he will not touch the stuff. He is my sober coach

            • phoebequeen

              Do you have cheez nips too. Love me some nips.

            • LongtimeLurker

              She’s only cat – sized. Her eyes are much bigger rhan her tummy.

              She’ll take the bottle, have like two sips and then pass out, you watch.

            • phoebequeen

              Fact: I one night made another football parent, a big guy too, drink 8 shots to keep up with me. I made him my bitch. Kitty can do some tequila. I made him cry. I am evil.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’ve got these two friends, one’s a little (little) Japanese girl and the other’s a very large, very drinking-committed Polish guy.

              One night last year, they were the last 2 left at the bar when the rest of us went home, and for some reason, without consulting him, she decided to keep up with him drink for drink.

              And he drinks fast.

              I (was) a serious drinker, but you know, if someone’s going faster than you, you keep your own pace and whatevs, right?

              He wasn’t even paying attention. Until she just fell off the stool and cracked her head on the table.

              Ambulance. Hospital. I think they pumped her stomach (fuzzy on the details).

              He rang her husband the next day to apologize and the husband asked “did you encourage her?”

              My friend said “I didn’t even realise she was doing it.”

              Husband said “It’s on her then. I think she’s learnt a lesson. Talk soon.”

            • phoebequeen

              Ouch. One time, all the wives and I got tipsy first , then, there was kitchen drinkin Jagermeister going on. Made our way over to all the hubs at o club. Apparently, it had been my idea to take all our bras off and put them on our heads and take picture. I also unzipped hubbys boss’s flight suit all the way down to his underwear and put my bra on his head and did a little dance around him. Yeppers.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Way to boost husband’s career girl!

              ahem

            • phoebequeen

              I did my part for America.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wha’ happen?

              I was AFB making lunch.

              You okay? Did I say something wrong?

              help

            • phoebequeen

              No, I just reread it. In my flurry of keystrokes and story telling, I had , oh, maybe you shouldn’t girl! It’s a funny story. More to it. Just never know who is watching!!!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay.

              I thought it was cool, but I totally get what you’re saying.

            • phoebequeen

              It was fun tonight. See ya next time.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah! We’re all great.

              See ya!

              Hugs.

            • PlanetJ

              I lerv funny stories..let me know if you ever decide to tell it! lol

            • phoebequeen

              I will. Putting bras on peoples bushes at night in their front yard isn’t wrong right? I mean , they were pretty bras.

            • PlanetJ

              Of course not! As long as they were pretty..that’s all that matters.

            • PlanetJ

              Us short girls are bad about that..we forget how small we really are sometimes..especially when drinking.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I dunno what she was thinking.

              It’s one thing if one of them challenged the other (although that’d be studip too) but to just think to yourself “Yeah, I’m gonna challenge myself to keep up with this notorious drinker.”

              Weird.

            • PlanetJ

              I did that once or twice when I was a teenager…worst. hangover. ever.
              I’m barely 4’11”..and at that time..around 100lbs. I was not smart.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You’re teeny!

            • PlanetJ

              Yes,yes..I know. 🙁
              I would kill for long legs!

            • Juicer77

              LOL!

            • daisy

              I am so impressed, Lets go out drinking sometome

            • phoebequeen

              Clink.

        • daisy

          He is bringing it to me and I dont share

          • phoebequeen

            I asked first daisy mae. Now hold on a cotton pickin minute.

            • daisy

              Grrrrrrrrr

            • phoebequeen

              Woof

        • MaxSpaceman

          1 more for the road:)

          • phoebequeen

            Don’t mind if I do. Hiccup. Slurp. Ahhh, nice.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Plan 9!

      • LongtimeLurker

        ikr?

        L Rum Hubbard.

        I so hope they didn’t realise until someone pointed it out.

        Maybe there are 1st editions floating around.

        lulz

    • beauty for ashes

      **giggles*
      hot buttered RON
      RON and coke
      RON raisin
      yo ho ho and a bottle of RON!

      • Juicer77

        Cuckoonut Ron

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Dark ‘n Stormy…extra Ron please.

      • SP Wogsy

        Ron Caek!

        • beauty for ashes

          RON balls!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Finally…

            Thanks you four. That’s the kind of reaction I wanted.

            Now help me down off the gdm bar.

            • Juicer77

              Lemme roll in the trampoline…

            • phoebequeen

              Oh, I see how it is.

            • SP Wogsy

              Here! (opens arms wide) Lets do a trust exercise for fun!

            • beauty for ashes

              Oh hell, why don’t we all get up there and sing a round of “We Stand Tall?”

            • SP Wogsy

              Bwahahahahahaha!

            • beauty for ashes

              I wanna be Mike Rinder!!!! **absolutely no offense intended**

            • SP Wogsy

              I’ll be DM! ; )

            • phoebequeen

              I wanna wear the pretty blouse!

            • beauty for ashes

              I think I need something to drink now!

            • SP Wogsy

              I’m 5’6 but I’ll make it work!!!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m DM after you! I’m gonna do the kneel down, shoes on my knees thing.

            • SP Wogsy

              But I was going to do that then put on high heels for the added boost. Very uncomfortable

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ow! But yeah, that sound great. Lemme get the camera.

            • PlanetJ

              NOOOooooo!

          • PlanetJ

            I’d rather have melon balls.

            • beauty for ashes

              Well that’s cause you’re classy.

            • PlanetJ

              I’m a sucker for fruity green drinks…also,the blue “Walk me Down Sweet Jesus'” are amazing too! They are Blue. But If I’m in NOLA..it’s gotta be a Hand grenade. 🙂

            • daisy

              you know whats good melon balls soaked in rum

            • LongtimeLurker

              Soaked in Ron.

            • PlanetJ

              Or Everclear..bad hangovers with that tho.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Hey Lush, if you haven’t seen this yet: https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/st-peteclearwater-film-commission-supports-scientology-cchr/
      There is a lot of lulz here to be mined. I checked this director out on IMDB and he’s been compared to Ed Wood! The reviews/messageboard comments for his films are hilarious, especially this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425638/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_3 It has been called one of the worst movies ever. And there are comments like this “This post disapeared! What is going on? Here it is again. I find this
      Hine’s bloke intriguing. I have many books about bad films but bizarrely
      WOTW doesn’t feature in any of them. Is it because the film is not that
      well known? Over the years I have sporadically read about this film. At
      one point there was a website chronicling its gestation. This seems to
      have disappeared. YouTube videos that mocked the ineptness of the film
      making have been removed. IMDB posts have gone, legal action has been
      hinted at. Does Hine’s have some sort of clout in Hollywood? Why isn’t
      the film ridiculed as much as Plan 9, Manos or Troll 2? It’s as bad. No,
      it’s much worse. Strange”

      Also he apparently he had a few Kickstarters to try and raise money for this “Madhouse” movie.

  • Juicer77

    A little O/T but “John Cedars” (recent guest of Chris Shelton on his channel) posted a YouTube video about the recent Royal Commission investigation in Australia on institutional responses to child abuse. The Jehovah’s Witness executives were questioned quite closely. The sound quality of this video is a little sketchy, but it’s worth hearing what the panel of Ex-JW’s have to say about seeing their former leaders squirm under questioning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8uH8LR-lWg

    More information on the Royal Commission here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/public-hearings/case-studies

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thank you for the link and video about what’s happening in my own country that I didn’t know about (*shamed*).

      DL’d and bookmarked for later consumption.

      • Juicer77

        To be fair, your country is an entire continent 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          Good point.

  • That’s the drunkest Bunker I’ve ever seen. hiccup..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9jykBgDlt0

    • phoebequeen

      I only asked for one shot too. WTF happened here?

    • SP Wogsy

      I’m cracking up b/c I’ve been trying to look for ad runk cat pic for the last 7 minutes.

      • Hey Girl…

        • daisy

          YOU SON OF A BITHCH I JUST MADE UP WITH YOU TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOVE !!!!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

        • Eileen

          Best “hey girl” ever!

        • TexasBroad

          Hey, Kitty!

        • beauty for ashes

          This is making my cheeks hurt! 🙂 🙂 🙂

        • phoebequeen

          Hello big boy. Care for a chigger of salt?

    • daisy

      What the hell?? This is a great song. Oh Baby-face lets make up. I will try not to get so jealous.

      • Miss you, darlin..

        • daisy

          Look down thread.

          • Don’t tell me what to do.

            • Juicer77

              *shoves Dodo and daisy in the closet and locks the door*

            • SP Wogsy

              *gets Rasha’s nail gun and clams it shut*

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Clams it shut? Happy accident or comedy genius?

            • Juicer77

              Either way, made of Win.

            • SP Wogsy

              It was the kitteh spirits! I swear! : )

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Congrats btw.

            • SP Wogsy

              Thank you : )

            • It’s nice with two of you inhere in the closet.

            • Juicer77

              I said shoves! not pulls! Don’t bring me into your menage a trois makeup session!

            • daisy

              its just me you moron . Your touching my bottom and the neck of the vodka bottle.

            • Juicer77

              ROFL

            • It’s cool, it’s a big closet.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Any sign of Travolta in there? I guess you’d be the first to know, not the ladies.

            • SP Wogsy

              Bwahahahaha! I just spit my milkshake out.

            • You are my most annoying ex.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd
            • I am sorry, babycakes, I didn’t mean it like that. Huggs

            • Mockingbird

              That’s disturbing.

            • LongtimeLurker

              GIMME DAT FATTY!!!!

            • Aw

            • Mockingbird

              He is so deep in the closet he is in a cult denial closet in the regular gay denial closet.

            • daisy

              Switch me to the lighter stuff Vodka and let me think

        • SP Wogsy

          Bahahaha!

  • Juicer77

    Vaquera, I see you.
    Are you hiding from dinner guests and upvoting again? xoxo 😉

    • LongtimeLurker

      Hey Vaquera, if you’re looking over here, was it you or Veronica I said I’d give some more horror film suggestions to?

      I can totally tell you apart, it’s just that I was drunk and now I can’t remember which of the V’s I was talking to .

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You’re really drunk if you’re talkin’ to V.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Jesus! Where did you come from?

          • Where does it looks like he came from? Sheesh..

            • LongtimeLurker

              I thought he was just all shiny from sweating.

              Now I understand.

            • Ew

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’m everywhere…..and nowhere.

      • Vaquera

        Sorry, moon pie. It wasn’t me. I’m more of a Woody Allen gal.

        • LongtimeLurker

          No, no, thanks for answering!

          Now I know it was Veronica.

          Has she not been around recently, or am I just really forgetful?

          • Vaquera

            no idea.

  • daisy

    Mind your own business . We are making up

    • SP Wogsy

      (whistling)

  • SP Wogsy
    • daisy

      I listen tomorrow when I need a palate cleanser, Dodo and I have made up , so I have to pretend to like his music again.

      • I am right here.

        • daisy

          Oh I am sorry, I didn’t see you down here. You didn’t hear anything you shouldn’t right? and if you did. I was just joking around. You know how playful I am

      • SP Wogsy

        I have a great F*uck That Meditation if this fails. : )

        • daisy

          We are not that kind of couple . Freakier, Right Dear?

          • SP Wogsy

            I am laughing my ass off! No! It is not. It is an actual meditation.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92i5m3tV5XY

            • PlanetJ

              LMAO! HAHahaaaaa! That was great! 😀

            • LongtimeLurker

              You beat me!

              I’ve got this saved to the household’s media drive, but I couldn’t find the online link.

            • B4you

              I have no idea what just happen!

            • daisy

              I will listen in the morning, Maybe it will help with my hangover OORR I could just stay drunk I will see in the morning

            • Kay

              Someone posted this before awhile ago, and I laughed my head off !! I don’t know if it was you Wogsy, but either way I’m glad you posted that again because it is just beyond hysterical.

            • SP Wogsy

              Yep! That was me! Cracks me up everytime. Glad you enjoyed it. : )

    • Just signed up for Yoga class.

      • SP Wogsy

        Welcome to the New Age : )

      • Mockingbird

        Plenty of yoga cults to join ! Hint : if anyone claims to be an enlightened master get the fuck out !!

        • LongtimeLurker

          But he told me he can levitate.

          • Mockingbird
            • LongtimeLurker

              Good lord.

              smh

            • Mockingbird

              Yeah, cults are not all chain lockers and over boarding !

            • LongtimeLurker

              “Scientology – hey, at least we let you keep your balls, asshole!”

            • Mockingbird

              I wrote a thread back when Mike Rinder reported being threatened with castration the Golden Age of Castrations !

            • LongtimeLurker

              GAC.

              wtf – I need to up my weekly Scientology reading rate. I’m not up to Rinder threatened with castration yet.

            • Mockingbird

              You are deprived fine education.

            • Mockingbird
            • LongtimeLurker

              Thx.

              It’s always worse…

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey, dunno if you’ll see this, but…

              Just noticed your new, shorter caveat about mental health practices.

              Wanted to say the other one was fine, but this is better.

              For what it’s worth,

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks, I tried to keep it short enough that everyone would read it.

          • SP Wogsy

            You have to find your center before you can levitate f5

            • Mockingbird

              Poor donut.:-(

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol

              Sad.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Himself or an ashtray?

            • LongtimeLurker

              He sits IN the ashtray, and then levitates that.

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s pretty weird.

      • daisy

        I certainly hope you don’t expect me to join, I told SP Wogsy I like the song, I was emphatic of not doing any exercise that would require bending my body into unreasonable positions. I feel very strongly about remaining unhealthy

        • Mockingbird

          If you want to remain unhealthy you can follow the Hubbard plan. Plenty of pinks and greys , lots of booze and daily affirmations.

          • Juicer77

            There are no snakes at the bottom of your bed…

          • daisy

            Not only do I want the plan, I am extremely attracted to RON, when he comes back I am totally dumping Dodo -ssshhh

            • Mockingbird

              I think you are the first woman (?) who has said she was not repulsed by Hubbard in a loooooooong time.

            • daisy

              You know I off my ass drunk right.

            • Mockingbird

              I thought that was how he got all his “2D flows”.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Refresh

            • Mockingbird

              This was a big hit on Facebook !

            • LongtimeLurker

              What? How’d that happen?

              I’m excited!

            • Mockingbird

              I just steal the shoops I catch and post them in SPs r us on Facebook and see what people like and comment on.

            • daisy

              I am there. Has Dodo passed out yet. ? Keep showing pictures of LRH and maybe Tony
              wont notice we have gone totally off topic. I don’t want to get kicked out of this bar, its my favorite

            • LongtimeLurker

              Constant LRH pictures. Good plan.

            • what’suppressive

              Strangely they’re still better than happy snaps of Cardone and Duggan.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I agree. Those 2 are still out there being douchey. LRH is gone.

            • Kay

              Boy THAT is soooo true. Weird, huh?

            • SP Wogsy

              Do you mean RUM?

    • PlanetJ

      Oh..I like that!

    • beauty for ashes

      LOL! I feel like an old hipster yogi, but this is so wrong!

  • Juicer77

    Pshew… now I can sleep… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R8s0_9kUzQ

    • SP Wogsy

      Nite girlie. I’m suffering from Chocolate milkshake hangover. Will be behind you shortly.

      • Juicer77

        Sleep well 🙂

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        That’s what JT said to Dodo in the closet. Hey yooo!

        • SP Wogsy

          Laughing !

        • daisy

          me too

        • Jelly Mofo

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’ve got the shortly part down pretty well.

    • PlanetJ

      Woooo! Yes! *High five*

    • LongtimeLurker

      I don’t even know Led Zeppelin very well, and that was bothering me as well.

      Thanks.

      • Juicer77

        Gotta love a song with a 12/8 time signature and a samba built in. Everybody dance!

        • LongtimeLurker

          I only understand 1/2 of that sentence. I’ll go listen to the song…

          • Juicer77

            12 beats to a measure, eighth note gets the beat. Just listen and enjoy 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m on it.

            • what’suppressive

              It makes me want to listen to TOOL they love crazy time signature.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          We played a fast samba tune in high school jazz band. I always dragged the tempo down until they started to feed me Jolt Cola before the performance. Then, it was Samba time!

          • Juicer77

            XD
            Whoooooo!

        • Veronica

          Just popping in with another not-obvious time signature. Opinions?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XJi7XK1fl0

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            That’s easy. It’s in 7.

            • Veronica

              It took me a bit of time to figure that out, mostly because I have this in my walk-to-work playlist, The 1-2-1-2-1-2 of my footsteps messed up my ability to count to 7.

              And yes, you win tonight’s Golden Metronome!

          • Juicer77

            Tough one… might be 4/4 with odd 3/4 or 5/4 measures thrown in?

            • Veronica

              That’s what I thought, but I couldn’t make it work. I’d end up with too may beats, or two few and the stressed beats were inconsistent — or at least mine were. Eventually I just started listening for the stressed beat, and then I stared tapping and counting the beats between stressed beats — eventually I wound up with 7/8. It’s a bit like rubbing your stomach while patting your head — it sounds simple, but requires a fair amount of concentration.

              This might be true.

            • Juicer77

              Your guess is a good as mine, probably better! 😉

            • Veronica

              I wouldn’t be too sure. I haven’t studied theory since I was a kid. I went to music camp a couple of summers. It was mostly for performance, but there were also daily theory classes. Even bonehead theory was way over my head and (not kidding) made me cry.

    • Veronica

      This unfortunately doesn’t include the middle part where Bonham totally loses his shit. Even so… Jesus.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cSe7RvqSM

      • PlanetJ

        Love this version! <3
        Edit : to add that Bonham was the shit.

      • PlanetJ

        This is one of the best drum solo’s I’ve ever watched..I think the guy was 17yo at the time,too. such talent!
        https://youtu.be/Pbm9fobW7U0

        • Veronica

          Wow. This makes me want to get up shake what my mama gave me and smoke a joint. Crazy, man.

          • PlanetJ

            No doubt,me too!

  • beauty for ashes

    Wow, I’m so tired. This was a lot of work for only the couple of us left tonight at Big Pharma. Gotta say I’m really proud. The Bunker really sounded like it was packed with people who just like hanging out with each other and making each other laugh. (Although it did get a little kooky.) Don’t forget to sign your time card!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Actually, I stopped about 3 hours ago.

      So that was all you.

      Well done.

      See you for tomorrow’s shift?

      • beauty for ashes

        Wow, I guess I was really in the flow tonight! Nah I’m off tomorrow, although I will be on conference call at 3. So I will talk to you then!

        • LongtimeLurker

          You were in the zone.

          Talk tomorrow, And I’ll see you at the barbecue on Sunday.

    • PlanetJ

      If it was my kookiness..I’m sorry! ((hugs))
      Did you ever find the Mint water? I can send you a screen shot of it.

      • beauty for ashes

        I haven’t found the Metromint but there is a reminder on my board. I only was at Walgreens though. I haven’t forgotten!

        • PlanetJ

          It’s good stuff..google it,so you know what type of bottle to look for.

    • daisy

      I am sorry too, Tony mentioned margaritas and then ……

      • beauty for ashes

        Hey Let’s be serious, the kookiness totally worked tonight so nobody should feel bad. Am I right or am I right?
        Creativity!
        No more apologies folks!

      • PlanetJ

        and then….everybody decided to make there on drinks!

      • Tony said margaritas, not moonshine…

        • daisy

          IIL stick to wine tomorrow and Ill only lurk unless I have a falling down joke. I didn’t mean to get us all in trouble Night Sweetums I am going to read the rest of the posts and I come up later

  • The Toronto Org looks unchanged. Even the graffiti on the inside of the building is still there.
    ..

    • LongtimeLurker

      Scientology
      Now* under renovation

      *Later.
      Much later.
      Go home, we’ll call you.

      • A lot of the old-time Toronto Scientology families seem to live out near Cambridge now. Good luck kick-starting the org without a magical cash transfusion from Captain Miscavige.

        • daisy

          Do they ever picket the Toronto Org or Narconon ?

          • LongtimeLurker

            You so wanna get in on some IRL activism.

            You’re cool.

            I’d answer if I knew.

            • daisy

              I would like to but I don’t think anyone is taking me seriously anymore,

            • LongtimeLurker

              No! Everyone knows that under the jokes most of us are (mostly) serious about the whole thing.

              RMycroft’s probably off for the day. I’m sure they’ll get back to you.

              I’ll also keep an eye out for anything IRL in Toronto and report back.

              I spent 4 weeks in Toronto about 3 years ago.

              Luuuuurved it.

            • daisy

              thanx

          • Canada no longer has a Narconon. And the temporary org and a mission or two in Toronto are hardly worth the effort, but if anyone wants to organize something, I’m probably game.

            Toronto Org

            I was going to field-test something today, but last minute config problems…

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey, here’s RM. See Daisy?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wait, it’s on freakin’ Yonge St?

              How did I not see it?

            • daisy

              Oh yeah I forgot about that Narconon . I look after my mom , but if anyone sets a day, I can work to get someone in. I am about 2 2and 1 half hour away so I don’t know anyone to organize it with, but I am game if given some notice.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Go Canucks!

            • M from Toronto

              Daisy, I don’t know, and I was looking around to see, when you asked before. I wish I was in demo shape and I’d join you. I will keep my ears open.

            • daisy

              Thanks, Doll and let me know

            • daisy

              Thanks.Ill be around. I was bad tonigt so Ill be lurking

        • LongtimeLurker

          He’s gonna have to decide between Orgs, a new asbes-boat or that moonbase for OT IX & X.

    • Veronica

      And look what’s next to. Oh the irony.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey! Have you been missing? Or have I been blind?

        My main question – was I getting you more horror film suggestions?

        • Veronica

          Hi! Not exactly missing, just not contributing any of my invaluable golden nuggets of wisdom. (I think there’s a word for that…)

          And yes, please do send more movie suggestions. Thanks!

          • LongtimeLurker

            I’ll aim to have some ready for when we next talk.

            ; )

            • Veronica

              Mercy buckets!

    • M from Toronto

      I said it before, and I’ll say it here.
      Beautiful Stollery’s is gone, and this mess is still here.

    • Veronica

      Are those windows broken? It looks like quite a few of them are taped. Way to spiff up the neighborhood, Scientology.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Nite Wogsy.

  • And Miss Lovely was there with the rest of the Association for Science and Reason (Skeptics) in the pub.
    ..

  • PlanetJ

    Night,doll!

  • TexasBroad

    Goodnight Wogsy (F5)

    • LongtimeLurker

      GIMME DAT….

      …what is that…

      Maybe you should keep it.

      • TexasBroad

        It’s Bob. Apparently a face only a mother can love. (One doesn’t know until one is told)

        • LongtimeLurker

          Joking!

          Although I was briefly thrown by … is he lying on a rug or wearing a wig?

          Was he asleep when you took it or just chillaxing?

          • TexasBroad

            Flat out, upside down, snoring, drooling, sleeping like only a happy dog can — but he is not above wearing a wig.

            • LongtimeLurker

              He’s living the dream!

        • Supper Powers

          Bob is handsome upside down. And right side up, I suspect.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I love that he’s called Bob.

            I like my fur-people with either crazy names you couldn’t give a person, or really mundane human names.

            Lulz.

            • TexasBroad

              Bob Barker. (Slinks away in shame)

            • LongtimeLurker

              Is that true? Is that his full name? I hope so.

              HAHA

              omg

      • romanesco

        John Travolta’s hairpiece?

  • Supper Powers

    Many of you probably saw this yesterday. I am just seeing it now. And it pleases me so much! I really enjoy when “Karin Pouw” walks around with her crazy hanging out.

    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/church-of-scientology-says-item-noting-david-jollys-upcoming-appearance/2242128

    • LongtimeLurker

      Worth the repost.

      1) “Walks around with her crazy hanging out.” Stealing it.

      2) “Here’s the letter in its entirety:” (Letting her own words condemn her)

      3) And outrageous Jewish and/or Holocaust comparison in 3…2…1…

      Asshats.

    • Baby

      Just commented..thanks Supper..

      • beauty for ashes

        Tried to upvote you but then I’m not registered there. So I upvote you now!
        Salient points delivered with the usual Baby flair, and the signature BWAHHHH!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

        • Baby

          Thanks honey.. I guess I do say BWAHHHHH.. I do it in person too..ha

          • beauty for ashes

            Yes, but now we all do it too! It perfectly describes that laugh that bursts out of you.

            • Baby

              [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/25r30wi.gif

        • LongtimeLurker

          I upvoted her for you (and me).

          And then commented like a crazy person.

    • romanesco

      I hadn’t seen it. Thanks!

    • Graham

      Looks like Karin hasn’t heard the phrase tl;dr. She’s thrown everything into that apart from the kitchen sink.
      And Oh the Irony of a $camatology spokes-person signing off with the word “sincerely”.

    • Graham

      Just tried commenting but TBT requires me to give a valid US zip code, which I don’t have and can’t even guess at, being in the UK. If anyone else wants to post this, please be my guest…..

      “new Church openings in Basel, Switzerland”. Only been open a few weeks and it’s already been raided by the police. http://bazonline.ch/basel/stadt/40-personen-bei-scientology-ueberprueft/story/31076091

      Translation of the last 2 paras:

      “the raid confirmed suspicions of attempted tax evasion whereby an employer fails to report its employees to the authorities in order to avoid having to pay social security taxes. How many people where involved and whether it was a systemic violation is still unclear, Dolder said.

      Scientology is considered an extremely controversial movement that claims to be a religious community yet has the structures of a business entity and a profit-oriented enterprise. Scientology claims to have 300 staff members serving 5000 Scientologists in Switzerland. In its report for 2014, Infosekta, an information center on sects and cults, estimates the number of Scientology members to be between 800 and 900. The BaZ (Basler Zeitung) was unable to reach Scientology for comment about the raid.”

      • LongtimeLurker

        Graham, I’m in Australia.

        I think you’ll find that your US postcode is the same as mine.

        90210

        • Graham

          Thanks LL. Tried a second time and discovered Facebook had allowed me onto the site despite saying it had rejected my zip code!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Great!

            Just saw your comment.

            Good work.

  • Baby

    Wow..absolutely breathtaking..night baby…

  • noseinabk

    Way off topic. I am being called out for rejecting a defenders post on Jared. Am I really out of line? https://disqus.com/home/channel/squid/discussion/channel-squid/current_status_a_different_opinion_on_jared/

    • LongtimeLurker

      To my mind, there might be some valid arguments around what that commenter is saying; it’s a mental health issue, the age of consent thing might need looking at (i personally don’t believe that, I’m just saying there might be a sensible discussion somewhere in there).

      But, imho, here’s what makes that person full of shit…

      “I think that as long as anyone consents, then it should not be considered illegal.”

      They don’t say at what age a person is capable of informed consent.

      And I suspect the reason is because they don’t think there should even be an age of consent.

      So I’m calling bullshit. Asshole trying to sound reasonable.

      Now as to rejecting it…I dunno.

      Can you explain your reasoning to me?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Wait,, I misunderstood. I thought you’d rejected that comment from YOUR blog.

        I didn’t scroll down.

        I get it now.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Okay, I’m here.

          It’s wall to wall BS.

          “Even six year olds have brains, and can make decisions.”

          What? That’d be laughable if it wasn’t so offensive. This guy needs to go to hell.

          “A child
          molester is a person who goes out, abducts kids, and…” (word deleted deliberately)

          That’s just a lie or stunning ignorance. Forcing underage children to pose for suggestive images is absolutely considered molestation in many jurisdictions.

          “Pedophiles have not done anything illegal or harming.”

          Riiiight, except they have. They purchase imagery from people who are abusing children, thereby allowing and encouraging it to continue.

          The writer is either brain-damaged or deliberately lying hoping to convince gullible readers.

          I’d disengage if I were you. They’re basically a troll with a very specific agenda.

          If you want to keep talking maybe we should take it off The Bunker?

          • Baby

            I dropped off two comments.. The mods should lock that post..It is beyond sick.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know, I saw. I’m over there too.

              You got a mouth on you missy!

              That commenter is being very disingenuous, hoping to sway the gullible, I think.

              I was gonna put the internet down for a bit, darn it.

            • Baby

              Yep.. I speak 2 languages English and Bitch..

              I refuse to go back there.. He is a Wack Job..

            • LongtimeLurker

              I just responded to your response to me.

              And then I’m dropping the mic.

          • noseinabk

            Yeah well I called out for Mods and got the one pedo defender.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You pulled me in damn you. ; )

              That Mod…wtf?

      • noseinabk

        My point is that Jared viewed videos that he knew his friend made and even knew some of those children by name. Court docs say that some of that included children as young as six to twelve years old.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah, sorry – I’m studip. Look down to my reply to my own reply. Then I’m gonna continue talking below that, okay? Gimme 30 seconds.

        • Kay

          Doesn’t that make him an accessory after the fact?

          • LongtimeLurker

            I’m following you down this thread.

            I just want to make clear that initially I only read the 1st post and thought that noseinabk was asking a completely different question to what he was actually asking.

            So my first responses might seem ‘off’.

    • Baby

      Nose.. I am on the same page as you.. OMG.. Sickening.. I will post.. Absolutely agree with you. ERRRRRRRgh..

      • noseinabk

        If I am being irrational I will accept that and shut up. To me it looks like a pedo defender and I am basically asking the disqus Mods if this kinda scumbag is going to be given a voice on disqus or not.
        Edited.

        • Baby

          I am LIVID.. I dropped 2 comments off, but am not going back.. I want the MODS to close the thread also for 2 MAIN reasons..

          1. He is giving sickos a ” Pass”
          2. He may retraumatize victims of child abuse..

          PLUS.. there is no fuckin difference between a Pedo and a Child Molester..That guy is disturbed.. ugh

          • noseinabk

            The reason for closing the post would be that we know pedos feed off this crap. He is a pedo feeding off of the story and defending it because he hasn’t acted on it yet.

            • Baby

              Just give me 5 minutes in a locked room with that asshole.. You guys can join me too.. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh .. I am Livid. May he rot in hell.

          • Kay

            AGREE !!!!!

            • Baby

              Hi honey bunny.. I lurked when you and Aeger got into it the other day.. I love you both so minded my own business..

              My therapist told me years ago to stay in my own circle.. cause I’m always minding everyone’s business but my own.. : D

              but hope you guys worked it out.. love baby

            • Kay

              Hi Baby !!
              We did work it out. I think we were both just tired and had had bad days, and I think that I was so beat that I didn’t adequately explain everything, or explained it in a confusing manner, so she probably misinterpreted what was said or not said. We did take care of the situation, but not in the way that I prefer, (I wanted to notify the Community Mental Health Outreach Workers rather than the cops since she hadn’t actually threatened him or herself with bodily harm, but obviously needed help. They have great resources, and the outreach teams also have off-duty officers in plainclothes on them for safety purposes.) However, we couldn’t ascertain an address on her, so the outreach team said they couldn’t do anything if they didn’t know which building she lived in. (It’s a big government housing project with multiple buildings, the guy she was bugging didn’t even know which apt. or building she actually lived in) Mr. Kay and I did notify law enforcement to tell them that he was moving out that night, and what the situation was so they could keep an eye on things. She didn’t show up.

              She just liked to follow him around and yell “That’s an Overt” when he refused to date her. She has never threatened him with bodily harm or threatened to harm herself so in my state no one can do a 5150 or 72 hr. mandatory mental health hold based on that. He has to take out a complaint as far as her stalking him, and he has refused to so. (Guys often won’t do that, I think they think it makes them look like a wimp) The police in the area will keep an eye out for her to do a “wellness check” if they run across her.

              I have never gotten into it before with anyone here, I just hate doing that and one reason this is the only blog I have ever posted on is that although people have varying (and often strong) opinions, they live and let live. I really like Aeger, it was just a bad night for both of us with some misunderstandings. LUV YA Baybeee !!!

            • Baby

              Well.. We are a Passionate Lot aren’t we..hahah.. Working in Mental Health myself at one time I understand trust me..

              I love you too honey.. and Aeger..and am glad you worked it out.. Lush and I got into it once and sorted things out..

              Many of us do have strong opinions or we wouldn’t be here fighting this cult. smooches..xo

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’m on your side.

          I understand why you’re upset, truly.

          And I think your position and most of your points were valid.

          But I think there are people who read or hear swearing and immediately pigeonhole the person doing it as irrational.

          I swear a lot IRL, usually around friends, but sometimes I’ll make the wrong call about the person I’m talking to and I can see it in their face that they’ve stopped listening, even though what I’m saying between the swear words is reasonable and reasoned.

          So, I’m wondering if that’s what gave the mod that attitude?

          Even so, he was wrong. The guy was obviously implicitly condoning it, no matter what BS he claimed.

          You were robbed.

          • noseinabk

            I don’t think the mod gave me attitude as he has seen me around and knows I am not a troll. Unfortunately, I did see the same mod defend Jared on onother thread. So be it. If he can post his pedo defence I should be able to say whatever I want to refute it.

        • Kay

          No you are not being irrational. He’s definitely a pedophilia advocate. He’s probably a member of one of the formalized pedophile/child molester advocacy groups ( Like NAMBLA, North American Man Boy Love Association) that believe perpetrating on children as an adult is a natural healthy acceptable relationship for the child, thus those children need no protection from them !!! They are trying to gain recognition as an acceptable alternative lifestyle, and are tried to get the DMSIV (psychiatric diagnosis guide everyone in mental health uses) to delete it as a psychiatric disorder, and rewrite it as normal. (THAT will NEVER happen) I have to check the NAMBLA site sometimes when doing research, and it makes me actually physically ill. As far as Disqus..I think that when people who rationalize perpetrating on them post online it shouldn’t be allowed as this is advocating child sexual abuse. They yank other posts off…but IMO these type of posts are the most heinous because it involves kids.

          • LongtimeLurker

            When I started reading this sentence “…tried to get the DMSIV to delete it as a psychiatric disorder…” I thought “uh-oh, don’t tell me..”.

            Then I got to the end.

            Whew.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i agree with you 100%

    • TexasBroad

      What???!!! I can’t even believe what this person is saying! 6 yr olds can make some decisions….chocolate or vanilla, skating or a movie – this person is arguing that a child can consent to being the subject ofpornography?? Noseinabk, where is this discussion?

      • Baby

        In the link above you Broad..

        • TexasBroad

          I’m sorry. I went to the link andread it – I didn’t ask my question in the right way. A better way of asking..what kind of forum is it? Agreed that this thread should be shut down.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            can’t find place to report it

          • Baby

            A SICKO FORUM..

      • LongtimeLurker

        “6 yr olds can make decisions.”

        riiiiight – See the great thing about reality, is it’s true even if idiots don’t understand it.

        With apologies to Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      disqus is not letting me post there

      • LongtimeLurker

        Really? Baby and I just posted a flurry. Maybe we broke it.

        Try again.

    • beauty for ashes

      I am going to flag everything this sick guy says as inappropriate, anyone else?

      • beauty for ashes

        His activity spills into other forums he’s been active on disqus for a day or two. Only one upvote though. I want to flag his other inappropriate posts on those too. Very sick, and very little moral compass. he’s making me nauseous 🙁

        • LongtimeLurker

          I don’t want to look.

          Is he only posting about this subject?

          • beauty for ashes

            Yes. I flagged everything he said. Fortunately his avi is easy to find and quickly flag before I have to reread his disturbing words again,

            • LongtimeLurker

              Standing back from the offensiveness of his position for one second…

              He was also just a bullsh**er…there was this slow drift during the course of his comments, they initially tried to sound ‘reasonable’ “hey, let’s look at it this way” and then ended up at “Tough s**t bro, it’s all good!” which was obviously his stance all along.

              Gutless as well as aberrant.

            • beauty for ashes

              I think I need to step away from the computer for a bit. I need a break. I can’t think about it anymore. 🙁

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, sorry to pick at it.

              Take care, okay?

          • TexasBroad

            Only a brief history and a little bit of a mix, but touches this topic in other threads. Reading it though makes me think he is a kid. It needs to be shut down.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I don’t even…

              …when I was a kid….

              …smh…

            • TexasBroad

              Whether a kid or an adult, the justification is sickining and scary.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I agree. For some reason it upsets me more if it’s a kid.

              Maybe because it means he’s not saying “hang on, are my feelings a problem?” instead he’s seen the reports on Jared and said “That could be me one day…I’m gonna go online and defend it (while lying).”

              If that makes sense.

              Anyway, either way, as you said, it’s f’ed-up.

            • TexasBroad

              Yes. That does make sense and upsets me more as well for the same reason.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Right.

              I’m not crazy.

              Let’s move on (at least for a bit).

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Sorry to keep at the subject but I SO love the people here. I went over to see what went on and being a mom of 3 (last one… #4 on the way) that are 20, 17 & 2 (crazy, I know it!!!) im SO thankful you guys did jump on this and quickly… Troll or no, kid or no… The recent “everything is acceptable and we’re all just animals driven by instinct” makes me sick! My older two would NEVER even joke about something like this so I agree 100% LL and TexasBroad… More upsetting if it IS a kid! Being pregnant and in my 40’s is quite the hormonal combo so I felt way too much of a rant coming on and you guys shut it down well, but I will keep an eye out for that poster because that’s one sick pup that needs to be shut down at every step!!!! Not out of line AT ALL!!!! Edited misspelling.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey Jenyfurrrrr.

              Thanks.

              Not a parent and won’t be, so I can’t imagine what it’s like for those of use with kids.

              But it was upsetting enough for me as is.

              Best wishes for your next child (I’m not going to ask about the gap).

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Lol it’s ok… Married at 20 and first 2 at 21 & 24. Remarried 5 years back and he’s amazing w/my boys and we had one together… Then we got a surprise sequel. Great birth control for the older ones though!!! They def are suitably scared off from staring too young! Yeah kiddos aren’t for everyone, but common sense?… Yeah something is wrong if they don’t get why THAT whole mess was wrong from all directions! And now back to looking at wombat pics THX to you all fellow insomniacs! Ha

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hooray for surprise sequels.

              Hooray for wombats.

      • TexasBroad

        I did as well. Just speechless.

        • beauty for ashes

          Thanks, I appreciate that!

      • LongtimeLurker

        He’s gonna get a surprise when he logs on again.

    • Jimmy3

      Edit: sorry, I thought we were talking about All-American DE and All-Around Superstud Jared Allen. I apologize.

      • LongtimeLurker

        You mook.

    • Kay

      Hell no you are not out of line…I went to that link and read everything the defender said, and his philosophy on this is obscene.

    • TexasBroad

      Grrrr. Well, I threw in my two cents for what it’s worth. Now it’s 3am and I’m wide awake and I have to wake up at 7. Catch you fine folks tomorrow—time for the plinky-plinky music sleep app. Goodnite. Edited delirious mistype.

      • LongtimeLurker

        nite!

  • PlanetJ

    nighty night,y’all! xo

    • LongtimeLurker

      Nite.

    • Baby

      Ohhhhhhhhh beautiful.. did you paint this Planet.. wow.. I love it..

      • PlanetJ

        It’s actually a photo I took of my driveway and then I edited the crap out of it! Lol.
        Thank you! I love photography and editing. 🙂 it’s one of my favorite hobbies.

        • Baby

          What a fun hobby.. I did it for awhile after I gave up my art.. it is fun.. It is beautiful though.. Is that you in your avi? Beautiful

          • PlanetJ

            Thank you! Yes ma’am…thats me. 🙂

            • Baby

              Damn..You look like a movie star.. Absolutely stunning.. love your beautiful red hair..

            • PlanetJ

              Far from a movie star..lol..*blushing* thank you! You are a sweetheart..I appreciate you saying that. xo

            • Baby

              xo Well I mean every word dahlink

            • PlanetJ

              Thank you,Baby!
              I just want to let you know that I’m also an extream vaper..lol..It has been 7mo. since I smoked! 😉 If I ever meet you,we can go vape together outside..lol

            • Baby

              Oh Yay..another Vaper ..( Oops Vapor I just googled it..)
              Don’t ya just love it?

              Shit we don’t have to go outside Planet… I always find a way to sneak it haha … I vaped at my Dentist’s office the other day.. behind a magazine. hahaha

            • PlanetJ

              LOL! I’ve done that,too. Shhhh..;)
              I have an eStick with a aspire nautilus tank.
              My favorite mix is bubbleyum/grape/smarties..I get the three bottles,because I don’t trust anyone else to do the mixing for me. I enjoy doing it myself. My hubs likes bubbleyum and watermelon. I’ve tried other flavors..but I always come back to my favorite three. What’s your flavor of choice?

            • Baby

              Oh that’s easy..OMG.. Planet Lustor.. It tastes like a waffle cone.. These Alloy Blends.. are fabulous.. Just bought lemon orange creme..
              ( Etched)

              Very good.. I still prefer the Luster though

              I enjoyed mixing mine too actually.. I bought 2 stands from this place too.. darling.. I have maybe 5 different canisters..all sizes. My favorite though is the Nautilus Aspire.. Go Big or Go home..hahaha

              Just google GiantVapes Alloy blend Luster.. all the alloy blends are fabulous.. xo

            • PlanetJ

              Thanks for the tip! Go big or go home,indeed! 😀 lol.. My first tank was a regular small one..and I had to refill it 4-5x a day..it was really starting to piss me off. My vape shop was trying to get me to go with the mini aspire tank..and I told them NO. I want the big momma tank! lol

              I’ll check out those flavors you recommended. The ones I use are made by my vape shop..they are really good. My nic level is still at 12..I’m trying slowly to get down to a 6. I guess it will happen when I’m ready for it..my husband has made the switch to 6..and the taste of the flavor is so much better! But, he sure is vaping alot,because of the lower nic level..he’s been thru 2x as much vape juice as I have in the past week..lol I guess once he gets use to the 6 nic,it will get better. I plan of doing it soon..but I’m not going to rush it.
              I have a pink 30w box..my next one will be a 50w..they stay charged a lot longer. I don’t think I’d like those drip tip boxes..to much work..I don’t want to have to make my own coil every 5-8 puffs. xo (((hugs to you Baby!)))

            • Baby

              Only another vapor would know WTH you were talkin bout…haha.. Shit I was going to get a Box the last one I bought by mine was on sale so scooped it up..

              What I do is ..I have 3 batteries. One in the hookah.. and 2 either charged up or on charger.. I am sure you and your hubby have been in a position where the battery goes out and none lined up..say when you are out..errrrrrrrrrrrgh

              Nothin is more frustrating. I hate the taste of cig. even though I smoked since I was like 17- 66 and I was up to 2 packs a day.. Marlboro lights .. but mostly Marlboro reds all my life..

              Let’s see I’m on 16.. I might stay on it for awhile.. I was on 24 for 2 years… I have absolutely no desire to ever quit vaping I love it..

              I was on a Vaping forum for a long time.. and let me tell you they are hard Core..ha

            • PlanetJ

              The box I have and the one I had before this one (a 20w & 30w), can only be charged with a charger..you can’t change the batteries on these,unfortunately. But the 50w boxes come with extra rechargeable batteries. That’s what I’m saving up for,when this one dies..the one I have only lasts about a year…so I have a few more months to go with it.
              Haha..yes, talking vapor stuff with non-vapors,is kinda funny. I get the WTH are you talking about,look..a lot. LOL!

            • Baby

              That’s good to know Planet.. when I get a box I will get the 50w..thanks sweetie..

              My husband cracks me up.. He says he vapes too, but he’ll go outside and when I kiss him I taste cig.. UH huh..

              and I really don’t care at his age.. I told him he doesn’t have to hide it from me.. and he grins.. I don’t know what that is about..

              So I took his Hookah a week ago..and he hasn’t noticed ( hahhaha)

        • Kay

          Very cool…

  • LongtimeLurker

    1:30 am EDT?!?!

    I gotta go Bunker.

    See you all soon. Much love.

    Refresh

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8hz74HuAw1rt6jnqo1_400.gif

    • Baby

      Night honi. What in the hell is that thing…seriously.. I don’t know whether to OOOOOh or scream..

      • LongtimeLurker

        Type baby wombat into yr search engine.

        You will lose it.

        Nite doll.

        • Baby

          off to type baby wombats..love it.. night sweetums..

          • LongtimeLurker

            Skip the ones before their fur comes in.

            byeeee

    • Baby

      Are they real? I never heard of them? I want one.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I know you do.

        Everyone wants one.

        I myself asked about this “are they real” thing.

        Apparently what happened is God saw a child’s teddy bear and said “Holy Me! I’m gonna make one of those.”

        • Baby

          How could I have reached my age and not heard of a wombat? Unless I did and forgot.. Shit who cares.. I still want one.

          Off to see a movie.. xo

          • LongtimeLurker

            Cause they only grow in like 3 parts of Australia. Probably.

            But I hear you, I think they should be famous.

          • MarcabExpat

            I heard of one… but only reading some volume of British children’s fiction. I think I assumed it was an imaginary creature like a snap-dragon-fly or a mock turtle.

    • MarcabExpat

      OMG A PIGMOUSE!!!!!!

      (yes, I did read downthreat to find out what it was. I just needed to post my original reaction so everyone can laugh at me.)

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m laughing with you.

        Awesome little pigmouses, how great are they?

        • MarcabExpat

          Are they really good pets, though? That one seems to enjoy human company, but I imagine they’re not great indoors, though? And don’t they get kind of big?

          Pigmouse. Pigmousepigmousepigmousepigmouse. I’m just going to keep saying it.

  • Baby

    I GO AWAY ONE NIGHT AND LOOK AT THIS PLACE..NOW YOU CLEAN IT UP RIGHT NOW OR I’M TELLIN TONY!

    • LongtimeLurker

      gdm it

      I WAS JUST LEAVING!

      I’ll help when i get back…

      …really…

      • Baby

        Wait until you Father Comes home.. You guys are all GROUNDED.

      • noseinabk
        • Baby

          you tell em nose.. awwww darling…f5

        • LongtimeLurker

          That is great!

          • noseinabk

            Commenting on my gif is not going to get you out of clean up duty.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah I know. Sorry.

              But that really is great.

        • Kay

          This kitteh sorta scares me.

      • Kay

        Lurker !!! You probably have gone to bed. I just got home and was checking for your updated avi accessory of the day..I LUV IT !!!!! Hope you read this, if not I will just send it to you again tomorrow.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Kay!

          I’m here (you’ve probably gone now, lol). I was leaving, but then there was a whole thing downthread. The Bunker did a drive by on another forum.

          Anyhoo, yeah…someone said re the Narconon scammers, “where’s Karma?”

          So I’m the Karma Police. ; P

    • noseinabk

      Yes sir! I was not involved in the mess but I will help clean up. https://media4.giphy.com/media/y7XDnaph6dpmM/200_s.gif

    • Baby

      Leaving this behind.. xo

    • romanesco

      Saw this graffiti art and thought of you:

      • Baby

        OMG. Roman.. isn’t that absolutely adorable..awwww thank you.. so sweeeeeet… xoox

  • Veronica
  • Veronica

    Seriously… this is the last one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGF6bOi1NfA

    • romanesco

      Can’t top that, but:
      https://youtu.be/0CD9z1jYmNI

      • LongtimeLurker

        I posted this the other night!

        It’s literally the best thing ever.

        • romanesco

          Haha! I didn’t catch it.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I wasn’t trying to dis you or anything, I just think it’s cool 2 of us found it independantly!

            I want a lion.

            • romanesco

              I didn’t take it as a dis at all. I came across it in my facebook feed. Apparently the guy in the video rescues big cats from Mexican circuses since they are now illegal.

              Ed.: the cats, not the cicuses.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good.

              Yeah, when I posted it someone here told me about him.

              I’ve bookmarked his site, but haven’t looked yet.

              Sounds like a great guy.

        • Kay

          Lurker….I got online too late tonight. (it’s 1:24 AM where I am) I wanted to log on earlier to check out your avi. I LOVE IT !! I posted that in another place also, hoping you would see one or the other, but I think you have gone beddy-bye. Anyway, it’s fab !!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Thanks doll. I’m still here. Just saw you over @ “pedo town”

            Were you at work or out having fun?

            • Kay

              Oh yeah….THAT was a maddening situation wasn’t it? (pedo town) That stuff makes me cray cray. I was out having fun…let me reword that. I was out with people who were having fun, whilst I was not. I was tired and just wanted to go home and get in my jammies and cruise the bunker for a few…

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thank god we finally caught each other. lol

              I know what you mean about being out but wanting to be home.

              I left you an explantion of my outfit on another of your comments (not saying you needed it, but just in case)

              Alright, now that I caught you, I’m going.

              See you soon (maybe at another Bunker drive-by like the one we just did on Boobah).

              hugs

            • Kay

              Looking forward to it….hugs back.

    • beauty for ashes

      When I saw it, I instantly put my hand to my heart. awww panda pileup!

  • Jimmy3

    Guess a letter and what it stands for.

    • Kay

      N for Nincompoop
      (No particular reason….I just like the letter N)

    • noseinabk

      S. For shenanigans.

    • Kay

      O for Obsequious

    • LongtimeLurker

      G for goodbyeIneedanap

    • Graham

      L for Leather 🙂

    • E for . . .

    • Ella Raitch

      B is for Beteljuice popped right in there

    • B4you

      That spell’s – BELGOSN

      That’ s wrong!

      It’s ‘K’ as in Penguin

  • noseinabk
    • Kay

      My FAVE version of Pride and Prejudice. ahhhhh.

      • MrsLurksALot

        Reading comments while waiting for new post….totally agree with you about this version of P&P. Oh, Colin Firth, how I love thee. Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth…it was perfect. I have the entire set on VHS (!), which was a big score back in the day.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Got to also give credit to Alison Steadman as Mrs. Bennet who steals almost every scene she’s in.

          [speaking of her daughter Jane] “She should die of a broken heart and then he’ll be sorry!”

          • MrsLurksALot

            Yes, Mrs. Bennet was perfect. Also, the best Lydia ever, Julia Sawahla. I wanted to smack that girl! Loved her in Ab Fab, too, so it was fun seeing her range at the time.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Very OT, but since Tony has a new post I will allow myself to expand:

              If you can, do get the 10 year anniversary dvd box set. I believe there are added scenes and there’s a “making of” feature.

              Among the many anecdotes, they talk about Lucy Briers (fastidiously righteous middle Bennet daughter, Mary) being a very good sport when, during hair and costume developpment accepted unflattering choices that emphasized her wide ears.

              P&P1995’s success was its faithfulness to Jane Austen’s book, but also its attention to detail. Remember that, though briefly glimpsed in the series, the book makes the point that Mary had a crush on Mr. Collins. Though he first sets his sights on Jane, then Elizabeth, he is oblivious (duh) to Mary’s interest. It made sense to make her plain enough to be beneath even Mr. Collins’ notice.

              That’s just an example.

    • Kay

      P.S. I just wrote a two responses to you down thread regarding the issue with that website “defender”. That put my nose out of joint.

    • LongtimeLurker

      If your gif isn’t in reference to “the incident”, then ignore my gif
      http://i.imgur.com/ew0dz.gif

  • LongtimeLurker

    Graham, if you see this and you still want to post at TBT, your postcode is 90210.

    I’m really going this time.

    • Graham

      Thanks!

  • MostEthicalPimp

    I think this XKCD might be helpful to anyone just walking away from a cult.(or anyone living on their own for the first time) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/kitchen_tips.png

    • SP Wogsy

      1) Cooked chicken, Beef, or turkey from Trader Joes or Sprouts (my personal fave is the turkey meatloaf)
      2) Dishwasher or plastic plates, cups, forks
      3) Microwaveable omelette maker from Bed Bath and Beyond
      4) Reusable Ice Cubes from Bed Bath and Beyond

      Eta: Problem Solved

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Saturday, 22 August 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    New Haven saves the day with a couple of removal.

    No results yet for the SLC spamming
    Salt Lake City needs our help to send complaints to CL, check RedXTips tab in the google spread sheet for how to complain, see also some complaint examples at wwp : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2534000

    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Words in the Sand by Pascal Campion enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16850252939/in/set-72157642802079293

  • MM

    Science Dog commented somewhere downthread, “It hurts to see Hubbard’s crap translated into the language of Goethe.”

    To which I can only say, worry not, the result of translating Dr. Hubbard’s wisdom does not in any way resemble the German language, let alone Goethe. It would be more appropriate to compare it to the testament of Dr. Mabuse (F5)

    • Translators must have a serious problem in that Hubbard’s writings often simply don’t make sense in their original language. I can’t imagine what they do, then. Presumable just transliterate.

      Perhaps if Hubbard’s text was translated into German, then from German into Welsh, then from Welsh into Spanish, then back into English, it might start to (accidentally) make better sense.

      • Ella Raitch

        It’s always mystified me that Scientologists can believe “Source” can be translated into any language when there is not allowed to be any discussion about what it means. They know from study tech that words can have different meanings in one language, and in translation each of those meanings can have different nuances in the target language. It makes a joke of the prohibition on “verbal tech”.

        Still, I guess that means lil’ 4 13 can invent squirrel translators to explain problems in Taiwan or the Ukraine.

        If semi-colons can cause so many problems….

        • cricitologist

          ” can believe “Source” can be translated into any language when there is not allowed to be any discussion about what it means. They know from study tech that words can have different meanings in one language, and in translation each of those meanings can have different nuances in the target language.”

          This seems innately human, to me anyway, to defend meaning and want to control our own and others narrative and use of words. It probably would not be too hard to find cases of bunker regulars “believing” that scientology should only be viewed one way, as flawed, and bunker regulars personally attacking anyone who attempts to discuss or question the descriptions of those flaws.

          Not agreeing with the prevailing views in a comment section can cause so many problems….

          • Juicer77

            Welcome back, Cricitologist.

            • chukicita

              Interestingly, people visit here to share their experiences and observations. There is no prohibition of discussing Scientology. This seems innately human, to me, anyway.

            • richelieu jr

              Correction: “Welcome back and Goodbye, Cricitologist!

          • chukicita

            Informed consent.

          • Ella Raitch

            There is no organisational prohibition, unlike Scientology, where verbal tech is verboten. In other religions, there are different schools of thought and interpretations….witness the various denominations of Christianity.

            Care to address the main point of my comment – that translation is a task that required interpretation and nuance, and that this can’t be accomplished in an organisation where discussion of Hubbard’s writings is not allowed. How can anyone be sure that the interpretation is correct?

            • cricitologist

              I do not have a response to this.

          • GrandEclectus

            Elle, you’re projecting again. We went over this. Cults control information by using language as part of their arsenal of thought stopping techniques. Scientology is a prime example.

            A few points:

            Some posters here have had their lives, families and fianances ravaged by Scientology. But, please enlighten them as to what Scientology is really all about.

            Also, don’t mistake ALL Bunker posters for people with one hive mind, just a common interest in the abuses of the cult.

            Can you manage your commentary without personal attacks and name calling? I challenge you to avoid your trademark insults.

            *grabs popcorn*

            • cricitologist

              A few points:

              No one living or dead has ever had their lives, families and finances “ravaged” by anything. I would say that “ravaged” is a distorted exaggerated metaphor and a concept that does not exist IRL as an action nor as an experience any human has ever experienced.

              I have no interest in enlightening anyone as to what Scientology is really all about, as I have no knowledge or insight about that.

              There are characteristics of group think found in the underground bunker.

              I have and do at all times manage my commentary without personal attacks and name calling. If you have any example of my insulting or name calling one single person please copy and paste it or just describe it. It never happened. It is bunker regulars who insult and name call with no restraint.

              I challenge you to show me one of these alleged “trademark insults.” You won’t. It never happened.

              *grabs popcorn*

          • Robert Eckert

            “It probably would not be too hard to find cases…” Then actually find such cases, and talk about something that somebody actually said, instead of attacking figments of your imagination.

            “Not agreeing with the prevailing views in a comment section can cause so many problems….” Such as? Show any such example.

            • cricitologist

              In normal every day life in a real life setting, I would never tolerate a person talking to me the way you do Robert Eckert. Not just the difference or ideas or point of views but the way you talk. No self respecting person would tolerate how you talk. If you want to engage or have something to say that you want a response to, you won’t get that from me. But I assume you are content to use my posts as a platform for exactly what your write and how you write it.

            • Robert Eckert

              You would never tolerate anyone calling on you to back up what you say? Then you ought to stay hidden in a little bubble surrounded only by other Scientologists, because it is not safe for you out in the wide world.

        • GrandEclectus

          Scientology uses the distraction of obsessively looking up every word too. It’s busy work and misdirection. Notice how our Scientology friend here today gets sidetracked, quibbling about proper use of a word.

          Of course, they often get the meaning wrong, getting derailed. It’s a thought stopping technique. It’s also a pedantic way to demean a critic, accusing them of not knowing how to use language. Of course, as a trained Scientologist, they couldn’t possibly be full of prunes.

      • MarcabExpat

        Original:

        The following policy violation is the highest crime in Tech or Qual:

        Tolerating the absence of or not insisting upon star-rated checkouts on all processes and their immediate technology and on relevant policy letters on HGC interns or staff auditors in the Tech Division or staff auditors or interns in the Qual Division for the levels and actions they will use before permitting them to audit org pcs, and on Supervisors in Tech and Qual who instruct or examine or failing to insist upon this policy or preventing this policy from going into effect or minimizing the checkouts or lists.

        Final Result from Google Translate:

        The following is the policy violation or crime Top Tech Degree:

        Tolerate a lack required funds of stars in all processes and technology directly and interns political letters relevant auditor HGC or personnel department staff technology or trainees or accountants in the throes of the Division of the plains and the steps they will use because it allows them to check the org and Supervisors computers in technology and torture as a director or audit or failure to enforce this policy or that policy to prevent that. for all purposes, or reduce or ready cash

        …Actually, I think this is an improvement. It has a certain whimsical cadence lacking in the original, as if someone were trying to read the tech out loud while under the influence of Spaceoline.

    • MarcabExpat

      It hurts to see that Hubbard’s crap was written in the language of Shakespeare, but whattaya gonna do.

      • Draco

        Agreed! It should have been left in the original Marcabian 😉

  • MaxSpaceman

    Scientology membership growth, from 1955 to 2005, 50 years, has been exceeded by its growth 2005-2015, doing the math.

    “Under Mr. Miscavige’s leadership, the Church has grown more in the last 10 years than in its previous 50 years combined. That is one of many reasons Scientologists worldwide hold him in the highest esteem…”

    Most Bunker readers have seen images from the first 50 years, with course rooms and Sci-orgs full of people, their locations bustling with activity. And, too, have seen the empty buildings and near empty course rooms all over the world, in the last 10 years.

    Wonder if Nick or Aaron or any once-ins could describe how Pouw/Miscavige gets away with this statement over and over– don’t the clams see their membership is in decline ?

    • romanesco

      The typist was in a hurry and left out a few significant words:

      “Under Mr. Miscavige’s leadership, the Church has grown more secretive, vindictive, hostile and unpopular in the last 10 years than in its previous 50 years combined…”

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Mornin’ Meeps!

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Hi Eivol :):):)

  • Eivol Ekdal
  • Miss Tia
  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Morning Bunker, looks like quite a night was had around here. 🙂

    I’ll put on some coffee. ☕

    • 0tessa

      I’ll bring some croissants.

    • chukicita

      *holds out cup and hands Nola a bunuelo*

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Thank you. 🙂

  • chukicita
  • aegerprimo
  • ReallyMGM

    Good morning Bunker Buddies!

  • Tony Ortega

    New post is up

  • FOTF2012

    The level of disrespect of these Narconon front men reminds me of one of Tayler Tweed’s complaints before she committed suicide: she said Portland Scientology org members would, just for fun, take PC (preclear) auditing (counseling) folders home and sit around and read them and joke about them.

    (See for example https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/scientologys-worship-of-the-past/ for one reference. Probably someone has saved a screenshot or cloned Tweed’s actual post, which is the source of this allegation. Scientologists have been accused at the highest levels — right up to Miscavige — of going over supposedly “confidential” auditing records and ridiculing people for their disclosures in these Church “confessionals.”)

  • Bob Crouch

    That Basel business is pretty intriguing! Having grown up about 50 miles from Basel (only we called it Kilometers), I can attest to the fact that Switzerland’s rules on immigration make Donald Trump appear like a wild-eyed illegal-immigration advocate! This one should be fun to watch!
    It seems to me that given their abysmal reputation here in the US, scientology is left with only two recruitment options: keep the second and third generations enslaved (or at least muzzled dropouts: Neil Gaiman and Lisa Presley come to mind) and export their toxic goods to other countries (kind of like the cigarette industry has been doing). However, they will find that other countries are not always as gullible as the US when it comes to “religious” matters!