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Scientology opens a new ‘Ideal Org’ in Basel this weekend — nearly a year after its last one

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Our man in Paris — British journalist Jonny Jacobsen — has a special report for us today about what’s been happening in Switzerland. Almost a year since the last new “Ideal Org” opened in Sydney on May 4, 2014, a new one is set to open this weekend. That’s a much slower pace than Scientology leader David Miscavige was on in past years, an indication perhaps of how much more difficult it has become to raise funds from a dwindling membership.

Jacobsen has been talking to the locals, and he sets us up for this weekend’s festivities. Take it away, Jonny…

 
Local residents and critics of Scientology — including former members — are mobilizing Saturday in Basel, Switzerland, to protest the official opening of the latest “Ideal Org.”

Local resident Thomas Erlemann got official clearance for his counter-demonstration earlier this week, and it will run from from 1:30 pm local time (12:30 London, 7:30 New York) at Burgfelderstrasse — just over the road from the official opening.

Supporters from Austria, France, and Ireland are among those expected at the three-hour event, says Erlemann. There will be music, there will be speeches and their permit even clears them for two five-minute bursts of “ALLES WAS KRACH MACHT” — which appears to translate mean “EVERYBODY MAKE A RACKET.”

Erlemann means business: In his announcement about the protest, he invites participants to bring drums and trumpets. And the Swiss edition of the free paper 20 Minuten has a photo of him holding a vuvuzela, those god-awful horns used during the 2010 South Africa World Cup. (There’s a reason they were banned from last year’s Brazil World Cup.)

But in his statements to fellow protesters and to the press he has also stressed — time and again — that this is to be a peaceful, festive affair. They are not looking for a confrontation.

Erlemann, 50, is a social worker who lives next to the new 4,600-square-meter Scientology building at Burgfelderstrasse 215 in the Iselin district of Basel, a city in the mainly German-speaking part of Switzerland.

When he first learned about the new building last year, he knew next to nothing about Scientology, he told the Bunker. “I didn’t even know who L. Ron Hubbard was,” he admitted. “So I started researching on the Internet.”

Once he had done his homework, he decided to start warning local people about their new neighbours. He set up a Facebook page for his campaign — 1,397 likes as of Thursday — and sent out a press release.

“For the last three or four weeks I have been getting calls nearly every day,” he said: Newspapers, radio, and the local television. “And now people who were members of Scientology have been getting in touch.

Jonny Jacobsen

Jonny Jacobsen

When Erlemann started doing his research online, he quickly discovered that he wasn’t the only person tracking development at Basel. For several months now, former Scientologist Wilfried Handl has been following developments from his base in Vienna, Austria, via his German-language blog.

It was not long before the two of them were comparing notes and exchanging information. Handl does not get the impression that Scientology is booming in Switzerland — far from it. But he is still glad someone is sounding the alarm.

“I consider him my friend, even if I haven’t met him,” Handl told the Bunker.

Scientology’s official opening had originally been scheduled for early March, but they had to postpone because they weren’t ready.

Rolf Moll, Scientology’s spokesman in Basel, has told local papers they are expecting between a thousand and 1,500 people to attend their opening ceremony (Erlemann is hoping for more than 300 people at the counter-demonstration.) Moll didn’t say if Scientology leader David Miscavige would be attending.

Another ex-member who has been following developments is Izhar Perlman, an Independent Scientologist (OT VII) based in Portugal, who monitors the development of the Ideal Orgs at his “Idle Orgs” website.

Bunker regulars will know that Tony has more than once noted the way Ideal Orgs have been the kiss of death to once-thriving Scientology locations, draining off resources into grand buildings that are as imposing as they are empty. That’s pretty much the point that Perlman’s website is making too (the clue’s in the name).

Perlman started it in response to an April 2012 post by Mike Rinder over at Mark Rathbun’s website, in which he dismissed Scientology’s claims of massive expansion. After Rinder pointed out the moribund state of the US orgs, Perlman decided to apply the same idea internationally.

He launched the website, appealed for help and now he has people filing pictures and commentary on the various Scientology centres around the world — and it seems to be a similar story every time.

So far as one can see from the photos at the sites of both Handl and Perlman, Scientologists in Basel are keeping the shutters down and a low profile until the big day — when they are not snapping anyone taking too much of an interest in their building.

Erlemann isn’t the only person the Swiss media has been talking to.

Amid what looks like a steady stream of sympathetic coverage in the local media — including more than one front-page splash — Hania Mrkos, who helped set up the original Basel org in the early 1970s, has also been telling his story.

He took time to talk to us too — and his story is a cautionary tale all too familiar to Bunker regulars.

 
Hania Mrkos

 
Mrkos is 67 now, but as a young man in the late 1960s he fled communist Czechoslovakia for the West. He was someone influenced by the Beat generation — Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg — a free-thinker even before the hippie era.

He spent several years traveling and exploring different spiritual paths: Gurdjieff, occult philosophies, Zen Buddhism — even the native American tradition. “But with these techniques I never found enough stability — I was trying to find something new that would stabilise my mind.”

Then around about 1973, a friend, a fellow seeker, introduced him to Scientology. At the time, Scientology had a major centre in Munich, southern Germany. So in the summer of 1973 he sat the Oxford Capacity Analysis Personality Test — the point of departure for so many new recruits — and was duly told he had major problems.

“I was really bad,” he recalled. “I was totally wiped in this test. So they said the solution for that was the Communication Course.”

Bunkers regulars will know that some members say the course really did make them more confident in communications. But some graduates have also pointed out that it is as much about controlling people as improving their communications skills.

For Mrkos, at any rate, it felt like just what he had been looking for. “I felt very, very good. ‘Woah, great!’ I had stabilised myself, I had a big gain. I could confront things. There was none of the indoctrination. I found it very useful.”

Not long afterwards, he was back in Basel introducing the people in his circle to the techniques he had discovered. Back in those days, he recalled, the hard-sell attitude did not dominate the movement. “There was no pressure at all, it was very spontaneous.”

And that’s how the Basel centre grew: Spontaneously, with Mrkos and his friend introducing friends to the techniques. And since they didn’t have much money, they paid for more courses for themselves by selling books on the street and drawing more people in. (Though as he recalls, the book that really sold the best was not one of Hubbard’s but Ruth Minshull’s Miracles for Breakfast — long since dropped from corporate Scientology but still popular among the independents.)

For a couple of years, things went smoothly enough: They would sell books and introduce people to the basic principles during the week, then jump into a minibus and drive the 240 miles to Munich to get more training and stock up on books. “For us it was to expand our consciousness, to understand more about what was going on,” he said.

Even then though, the pressure from above was beginning to build up. “We were forced to produce more people for the seminars and I started to be — I didn’t like it too much.”

Because the Basel org had expanded so quickly, Mrkos and his then wife decided to move to another Swiss city, Berne, and start a new operation there. There again, their unorthodox approach — mixing free talks and seminars with community activities such as photography workshops and concerts — allowed them to build a following, he said. (He even recalls meeting Diana Hubbard during this period: as he recalled it, she was a very good pianist.)

They were aware of a more regimented, hard-nosed side to Scientology, but they tried to keep as far away from it as possible.

“By then, we were sending people to Copenhagen,” he said — in part because they were unhappy with the increasingly harsh regime at Munich. “We were very successful.”

But then in 1976 they started having problems with Munich officials. Since he believed in the system, Mrkos asked for a Committee of Evidence in which he could put his case.

Instead he walked into a Johannesburg Security Check, the most brutal of the interrogations Hubbard devised.

28. Have you ever had intercourse with a member of your family?
29. Have you ever been sexually unfaithful?
30. Have you ever practiced Sodomy?
31. Have you ever consistently made a practice of sexual perversion?
32. Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another color?
33. Have you ever committed culpable homicide?
34. Have you ever bombed anything?
35. Have you ever murdered anyone?

“They made me do it 12 times in a row,” he said.

“They even inspected my teeth: Czechoslovakia was a communist country, my father was in the military — they thought I was some kind of communist spy.”

After that, understandably, he stepped back from Scientology for a while.

Commie spy or not however, it seemed that they still needed him when things were not going well. On more than one occasion, he said, he got called in to try to sort out problems that cropped up in the Basel org that he had helped set up. As the year went by and he built up a profitable real estate business, he started paying his way up the Bridge.

But in the 1980s, he went to Clearwater, Florida — supposedly a center of excellence for Scientology — to do the Ls, an extremely expensive set of auditing. “I actually almost went insane…I was totally fucked up,” he said. In the end, he was in such a mess he had to be accompanied on the flight back to Switzerland.

At times after that, he was suicidal, he said. It took him two years to recover, his business collapsed in the interim and his marriage ended. But the hardest blow has been the loss of his daughter, Jelena. Against his better judgment, he said, he let her attend the Scientology-run Delphi School in Oregon, in the United States. Far from her parents’ influence, it was not hard for the Sea Org recruiters to talk her into signing her billion-year contract.

A couple of years ago, when they tried to sell him the Golden Age of Tech — again — he started researching Scientology on the Internet. When he read the accounts from former senior figures such as Mike Rinder and Debbie Cook, he began to distance himself from corporate Scientology. By then he and his second wife were back in the Czech Republic and they were giving informal counselling based on Scientology principles. That of course got them in trouble with the official movement. Then one day, in June 12, 2014, he got a phone call from his daughter.

“There was a lot of noise in the background and I said ‘What’s going on?’ and she was very depressed. She said that I was against her group and so she had to disconnect from me.”

That’s just one more reason that he is supporting the campaign against the Ideal Org in Basel.

“They don’t accept freedom,” says Mrkos. “Switzerland is a free country with free people and they are enslaving people.”

And that’s what people in Basel need to understand, he says. If you enter Scientology you are gradually delivering yourself into slavery.

“In the beginning, they do a little bit, and then a bit more and then you get more and more enslaved.” And he is not just talking about the Sea Org members, he says. “Most Scientologists are heavily in debt.

I don’t understand — now we know so much about Scientology’s crimes — that some countries can accept them as a church.”

— Jonny Jacobsen

 
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Nick Xenophon, doing it right

We don’t know why the video is repeated, but a double dose of Nick Xenophon never hurt anyone…

 

 
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BOOK NOTES

On May 14, you will be able to purchase ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ from Amazon in either electronic or print format, and simultaneously in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia.

The book will not be available for pre-order before that date. It is going live for sale on Thursday, May 14, and not a moment earlier. And hey, that’s just a few weeks away, so you won’t have to wait long.

Our appearances…

May 16: Santa Barbara Humanist Society (with Paulette Cooper), 3:00 pm
May 17: Center for Inquiry-West Los Angeles, 4773 Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood, 11 am; ALSO: CFI Orange County (Costa Mesa), 4:30 pm (with Paulette Cooper)

May 20, San Diego Hey, folks, we could use some help. The San Diego Association for Rational Inquiry (SDARI) wants to put on an event for us, but it’s not their regular night for meetings and they need to find an alternate venue. Can any of our San Diego readers help us find a space?

May 22: San Francisco (with Jamie DeWolf and Paulette Cooper)

(Finalizing a New York City event in early June)

June 20: Chicago
June 22/23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper)

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 24, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Cupcakes for Breakfast

    Apologies if this has been posted (didn’t see it on a scroll down look)- ahhhhhh, this is just “beautiful!” JT’s movie is a bomb. HA! So far at 0% on the Rotten Tomatos.
    http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/04/23/scientology-doesnt-help-john-travoltas-the-forger-has-a-zero-22-negative-reviews

    • Frodis73

      I know it’s not nice to laugh at his failure, but I am and he deserves it. Ha.

      • Sherbet

        I was so pleased for JT when he had that spectacular, playing-against-type comeback in Pulp Fiction. Of course, I didn’t realize back then what a jackass he is.

        • Frodis73

          Same here Sherb!

        • The Dude

          I was very disappointed in David Letterman the other night. He has done nothing but slag on $cio and when he has a primo shot at one of the stars. He backs down.
          At least my man Paul, got a dig in.

          • Sherbet

            I’m not surprised, though. Did you think Letterman would skewer a guest? I didn’t.

            • The Dude

              He is like a lame duck. He has nothing to lose.

    • Sarah James

      I know I shouldn’t say this, but I thought Scientology could help him with that!

      • Cupcakes for Breakfast

        Right?! Win at life with Scientology! Except for your movie career- that’s going down the toilet.

      • The Dude

        You sound like Mr. Sherbet! LOL!

    • Frodis73

      I just went and read a few of the reviews-they are so bad. Lol. Also, not only does his character paint forgeries of famous paintings, he is also a thief and is supposed to break into a museum and steal the original and replace it with his. OMX, are they kidding? I wouldn’t watch this unless somebody paid me to.

    • Tom Yozwiak

      From your link, they quote a previous article here from TO –

      “Nicole (Remini) tells Ortega that around 2004-2005, Tom Cruise emerged as a defacto leader of the group. She once encountered him working out in the main room of the Celebrity Centre as if he owned the place. “I went into Celebrity Centre one time and Tom Cruise was doing jumping jacks and stretching, right where everyone was walking. Like he owned the place. Hello, there are other people here,” she told Ortega.”

      What a total douchebag TC is. Just… I’m sorry, a complete douchebag.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        This was probably at a time when he was between girlfriends. And thought this would impress the female clams. Like you said – a complete douchebag.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Maybe he’ll be nominated for a 2015 Razzie award!
      And then he could send one of his body thetans to accept the award! Or one of his gawd-awful toupees! lol

    • romanesco

      From the Toronto Star: “…this limply directed tale emerges as a case study of an all too familiar type of art crime: the making of bad movies.”

    • Missionary Kid

      I was going to do a review of it, but I couldn’t because I gave up after watching it for half an hour, it was so bad. I spent $10 because I thought I’d take one for the Bunker team and see it. If I flushed $10 down the toilet, I’d be better off because I wouldn’t be tortured for half an hour. Maybe it got better after that. Travolta’s acting in the movie is O.K., but the script and the editing suck. I don’t confuse his idiot beliefs with his acting abilities. In the past, I’ve noticed that he has capabilities. When he is only background, he does little bits of business that entirely fit with his character, but don’t steal the scene.

      The movie is so bad that it was released on HBO at the same time that it hit theaters. When I cancelled HBO, (after Going Clear) they “rewarded” me with a free showing of it.

      • Cupcakes for Breakfast

        Way to take one for the team! 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          I emailed Tony asking about whether or not I should do it when it was offered by HBO and mentioned that it would cost me to buy a viewing.

          By the time he emailed me back and said if it cost me not to bother, I’d already paid for it.

          I rarely stop watching movies, always looking for a redeeming quality, especially if I’ve paid to watch them. This one, in spite of paying, was too painful to keep watching.

          • Cupcakes for Breakfast

            Yikes- that IS bad! Yeah, the reviews are pretty brutal across the board, and one even mentioned being distracted by his hairpiece, lol!

            • Missionary Kid

              I didn’t notice hairpieces or anything else. I wasn’t interested in dishing John, but in giving an accurate assessment of the film. I didn’t think it was really fair to write a review of something I didn’t watch all the way through.

              Travolta has been a trouper in promoting the film, and he’s been able to get on TV to do it because of his name.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Sometimes, I wonder if David Miscavige isn’t among us giggling, laughing. Joking and Degrading while he laughs at the still-ins with us.

    • Tom Yozwiak

      That would show intelligence, which escaped him at birth when all those BT’s swarmed into him.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        No I think it would show that he truly was a sick bastard but I think he’s too proud of himself to do it.

      • Mockingbird

        BTs do not add height .

    • Mockingbird

      I think he furiously beats his poor staff as he cannot express his impotent rage at us directly . He then blames them and sends them to the RPF .Standard Scientology .

    • The Dude

      He may lurk, fo sure.

    • Jo

      I doubt he laughs. He’s a miserable fucker, sorry for swearing. I think the photoshops gets under his skin.

    • Mymy88

      Well if he is, I have a message I’d like him to see:

  • Tom Yozwiak

    This is an old post from Karen de la Carriere’s blog, Xenu TV, from 3/4/13 –

    “There is no better source for news about Scientology than Tony Ortega’s blog, The Underground Bunker. When Tony Ortega recently announced he was leaving his position as Editor of the Village Voice to write a book about Scientology, it was at once exciting and sad because no one in the media understands Scientology as well as Tony. His book will likely become the go-to resource for anyone interested in finding out about Scientology but leaving the Voice meant his almost daily breaking of stories big and small about the group might come to an end. Happily he has opened up shop at a new blog and the torrent of information continues to spill out.

    Already he’s given his take on The Master, reported on a celebrity Scientologist’s bizarre murder/suicide and continued his long running series of Sunday Funnies. And he’s crept out of his bunker long enough to visit Marty Rathbun in Texas and meet with some Scientology PI’s who are spilling the beans on their 25 year long investigation of the man Hubbard wanted to take over the Church of Scientology.

    David Miscavige likely doesn’t know who to slap first. There are so many fires to put out and so few who are still willing to call themselves Loyal Officers.

    Welcome back, Tony, from one Bunker to another.”

    I liked this so I posted it. Simple as that.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I believe her Youtube channel is called Surviving Scientology. Mark Bunker’s is Xenu TV.

    • Toni m

      Tony Ortega is our own Nick Xenophon but in journalism. Always fighting always loyal doesn’t matter what may come.

      • The Dude

        I am a proud U.S. citizen. But I have always wanted to move to Australia. It seems like a really good country. As a Chef I could go anywhere I want, but can I drag my Family too?

        • Toni m

          Family is first. When everything else fail family is always there. You put them first you will have them in your own bad times.

          • Mockingbird

            Just like Hubbard did , right ?

            • Toni m

              For the life of mine I can’t find anything good in hubbard or in dm.

            • Mockingbird

              It is good Hubbard died and DM will also .

            • Mockingbird

              You almost can base how to live on the reverse of Hubbard and probably not be too far off .

        • EnthralledObserver

          If I owned a restaurant and needed a chef, I’d hire you. 🙂

          • The Dude

            Cheers!

        • Sid

          You would have to learn to drive on the wrong side of the road.

          Interesting tidbit: at one time Canada considered changing it so that cars would drive on the left side of the road like in Australia and the UK. And if it worked out they were going to do it with trucks too.

          • EnthralledObserver

            “You would have to learn to drive on the wrong side of the road.”

            Er… no – we call it ‘Auto-correct’ … you’ll be driving on the ‘correct’ side. 😉

            • Sid

              So the Canada thing was a bit too obscure for a weak joke?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Haha… I hadn’t read it all… I paused to get my joke in, and then realised it’s time to go to football.
              But, yes, I’ll pay that one – I have no comeback. :p

            • Sid

              I did like the ‘auto- correct ‘ thing though. Clever.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I thought it was funny,
              I always thought that they couldn’t switch the trucks over at the same time because they never be able to convince Meth up American Truck drivers to switch sides at the border.

          • Missionary Kid

            The Swedes were smarter. They switched from driving on the left to driving on the right. Of course, they were connected by land to other countries that drove on the right.

            • Sid

              Did the whole car/truck thing in Canada get a bit lost?

            • Missionary Kid

              I finally read your reply and started to laugh. To have cars driving on one side of the road and trucks on the other would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous.

              The Swedes did the change over on 3 September 1967.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I was talking with a friend who emigrated.

          It may be true that a Chef has an easier time.
          Our friend was in his 30s and while educated could not quite do it through the point system.
          He got in by marrying his girl friend who a britt who did college / uni in Australia

          I have visited to Australia twice and loved every minute of it.
          Remember that it is more expensive to live there compared to many US cities (even Boston)

      • Eclipse-girl

        I would vote for Tony O if I could. Somehow I doubt Tony would want political office

        • Toni m

          Sorry for my English. What I’m saying is Mr. Xenophon is brave in politics and Mr. Ortega the same but in his line of work, journalism. I don’t expect Mr. Ortega to change to politics.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Never apologize for your english.

            I am sure there are nuances and misunderstandings that occur in your native language. That is all that happened.

  • aquaclara

    Honoring ANZAC memories this weekend, Aussies and Kiwis. God bless all those who fought; may they never be forgotten.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      For Howdy and the Kiwis and the Aussies – the best version IMNSHO of the all-time anti-war song (Eric Bogle wrote it) – Shane nails it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ufbNM37e0

      • The Dude

        Swinging my beer from side to side in memory of my Friend while listening.
        Thanks Pan!
        Bit of a tear.

      • Eclipse-girl

        This is a personal fave.
        Thank you

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The best. Thank you.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Cheers!

      • The Dude
    • The Dude

      I am not a big Mel Gibson fan. But I plan to watch “Gallipoli” once again tonight in honor of all who fell and all who survived.
      One of my all-time favorite movies.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        a movie set assistant once took Mel Gibson into Scientology CC Hollywood under false pretenses. While I don’t know what happened there. Mel was in rage when he returned. He simply went to his trailer and it took the producers several hours to get him to calm down.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Probably found Jews in his trailer. You know, Mel!

        • Lady Squash

          Mel is a wiser man than I have given him credit for being.

      • aquaclara

        Those old Mel Gibson movies are great. Gallipoli. The Year of Living Dangerously.
        Many of us learned more about Gallipoli from his movie than from our history classes.

        • The Dude

          Me too. It made me interested to learn more.
          Like Iron Maiden’s “The Trooper”.
          In 8th grade I had to submit a poem for class. I turned-in “The Trooper”.
          The teacher called me up and told the whole class about “The Charge of The Light Brigade” and the Crimean War.
          That drove me to study history as a hobby.

        • The Dude

          Com’on? Mad Max(The original)?

          • The Dude

            Total Indie classic.

          • Ella Raitch

            Looking forward to the new Mad Max film – hopefully it’ll wash out that Thunderdome crap from my memory

        • Missionary Kid

          I guess I’m an old fart, but I learned about Gallipoli by reading about Winston Churchill. At least he learned from it, and the lessons were applied both by him and the Allies in WWII.

          The way that the Brits looked down on foreign and colonial troops contributed to the misery that the ANZACS were exposed to, IMO.

          • The Dude

            The Empire as it was dissolved after that. Elitist British officers were a laughing-stock after Sir Keith Arthur Murdoch, 1908-1967 published his letter in 1915.

            • Missionary Kid

              I wasn’t aware of that part of the story. Thank you.

              On a similar topic, I nearly puked when I was in Scotland and was in the Scottish War Museum in Edinburgh Castle when I saw the honors heaped upon General Hague. He was an incompetent leader who caused a great number of needless deaths of British and colonial troops, to the point that they were ready to mutiny. The only way that he could be removed from command was to promote him and put him in a post where he could do as little harm as possible.

              I don’t hold it against the Scots for honoring him. After all, he achieved a high rank. My reaction was a personal one.

        • Ella Raitch

          Not a Gibson film, but ‘Breaker Morant’ belongs to that set of Aussie films that made great introductions to history (the Boer war in this instance).

      • Ella Raitch

        Great film..helped to reinvigorate the honouring of ANZACs

    • Ella Raitch

      Planes flying overhead in formation as I type

      • Mymy88

        Why? That’s cool!

      • aquaclara

        Wow. And there are some incredible pictures -it’s tremendous seeing so many people take time to honor those who served.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Definition of a “humanitarian” CO$-style:
    Upon hearing of a celebrity’s unfortunate passing, instead of saying a prayer or sending good thoughts to the departed one’s family, or even maintaining a respectful silence, you instead immediately jump at the chance to exploit the situation to spew your cult’s anti-psychiatry bile.

    Sometimes I wonder if their humanity (along with their decency) has been audited out of them completely, GAH!
    https://twitter.com/Keith_Avila/status/591467971215695872

    • Mockingbird

      That is the vfp of Scientology – mental pseudo clone of Hubbard complete with narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies ! Auditing ADDS hypnotic and delusional content . Hubbard called his practices the OPPOSITE of what they did or destroyed . Study Tech annihilates linear reason and replaces critical and independent study with blind hypnotic intake . Ethics destroys your morals and values and replaces them with blind submission to Scientology .

      It goes on and on .

      Try Humbling Simplicity

      http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/04/humbling-simplicity.html?m=1

      And Propaganda by Reversal of Meaning .
      http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/03/propaganda-by-reversal-of-meaning-in.html?m=1

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Thanks Mockingbird, I never really thought about it that way. I now realize why me and my fellow students at Scientology School had so much trouble getting the deeper meanings we were being ask for in English class.

      • Lady Squash

        Love your blogspot: Brilliant. Naming things the opposite to what they actually are such as naming the Sea Org as the elite, when they are actually a slave class; the route to total spiritual freedom when it is actually a route to slavery and/psychosis. So spot on!!! I don’t know if you read Nancy Many’s book or not, but in her book, she says the point at which she started to recover was when she started to do the opposite of what her handler’s and LRH would say to do. That is very telling. You’ve expressed it well. Thank you.

        • Mockingbird

          Thanks , I have heard another ex use the phrase “reversing Scientology” to describe how he deals with it .

    • Eclipse-girl

      Part of what pisses me off is that psyche drugs actually do save people.
      Drugs and therapy saved me.
      I know I am not alone.
      But those people who were saved aren’t counted.

      I feel so sad for this young person’s family.
      It is so easy to say that life gets better when you are significantly older.
      It is so hard for a teen to understand are in the angst and misery of their teens, and this too shall pass.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        They latch onto the fact that there have been people hurt by bad psychiatry. That’s true. But there have also been incidents involving bad behavior in every profession. Changes are made, guilty parties brought to justice, that’s the way the world works. But no… we must do away with all of psychiatry because they are “evil psyches”.

        It’s like after having heard of the Toyota recall, some crazy person then demanded that not only the faulty models be recalled, but every car ever made be recalled because some folks were damaged by a car. Therefore all cars are “evil cars” and must be destroyed because they are responsible for ruination of all mankind. Idiots!

        • Eclipse-girl

          That is a good analogy.

          I pity some of these people. When people are in psychological pain, it isn’t easy to spot. Those in pain do not always ask for help.

          I hope they never lose someone who could have been helped with good psychological / psychiatric help.

          I see it as psychology and psychiatry are still in their infancy.
          Neuroscience has a great to deal to explore about the human brain, and its chemistry. Who knows what might be available for treatment some 20 yrs in the future.

          • Sherbet

            And the family of the young man and some of his former cast members voiced similar thoughts, that we should give extra love to our families and show them how much they mean to us. Are you listening, disconnected clams and SOers, who are so cavalier about pushing loved ones out of the way if they interfere with scientology?

            • Frodis73

              ^This, a million times.

          • Frodis73

            I just tweeted to him that neurology is the future of mental health….and that shit has hard science to back it up. I also agree that we are in the infancy with this stuff…they will be appalled at our ignorance in prob 45 years.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            My psychologist told me that psychiatry doesn’t understand really how anti-depressants work. They think they have a good idea but they aren’t sure, it’s actually in the literature. He was going to send me to one to get on them but wanted me to understand. Ended up going on Wellbutrin ,to stop smoking much later. My Dr., was under the impression they gave them out too much. Ex; Are you in a bad marraige? Do you hate your job? Are you going through trauma? A; Just take these and lets not work on your issues.

            • Juicer77

              Be careful of the generalization fallacy in logic 🙂 Some anti-depressants are understood well, others not much or at all. The brain is extremely complex, anatomically and chemically. Psychiatry is not the only medical field to use medications for specific results that are scientifically documented, but not well understood.
              IMHO there are doctors who overprescribe. Often they are general practitioners (family doctors, OB’s) who don’t have adequate training in pharmapsychiatry. Their patients can’t or won’t go to a psychiatrist, so the GP makes a quick psychiatric “diagnosis” and so writes a prescription to “fix” the problem. Is some care or misdirected care better than none at all? There is a huge debate on this, professionally and publicly. Results can be good or bad. Psychopharmacology is a massively complicated field of study that deserves good science to be applied at all times. Don’t mean to run on. This is something that fascinates me. I speak from experience, as well.
              http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2011/antidepressants-a-complicated-picture.shtml

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Me too, I actually worked in a mental hospital, pediatric burn unit, med/surge floors..I saw people that really needed their meds to get by and others who were very over prescribed meds. It’s not a popular thing to discuss on here and it was a long time ago so I avoid it. But we are all unique individuals who respond to different medication differently. You think they understand ECT, any better than they do, prozac? I don’t think so although there are meds that people need to survive, so I’m not anti-med. But when they can’t find enough psychotic people to use a drug on they’ll add it to an anti-depressant regiment. You’re correct they don’t begin to understand psychopharmacology. A couple of years ago in the British Journal of Medacine, they found that short term opiate use actually worked better at curbing depression than long term SSR-3’s. I don’t pretend to have all the answers by any means but the mentally ill are ignored in this country and often treated in jail. Something else needs to be done. I saw the real life nurse Ratched, stares many times. If it was 10p and you weren’t ready to go to bed we’d give you three warnings then tackle you,sedate you and put you in 5 point restraints. It was awful..

            • Juicer77

              Ugh, sounds like you’ve really seen some nasty stuff 🙁 You bring up good points.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I started with Wellbutrin and had a combo of Wellbutrin and Celexa.
              I agree we don’t really know why medication works for one individual and not another.
              Being in the throes of a major depression and then not knowing the medication that will work for you is awful.

              I can’t say for sure that psychiatrists hand them out too often.
              I only have personal experience and I was having suicidal ideation.
              I know from watching my daughter, her experience was not mine and she is against all medications. Diagnosing teens is very difficult

    • Frodis73

      Argh!! I can’t think of a snappy comeback. Who is this guy (the tweeter)? Is he def a sci? C’mon witty ppl give me something to good to reply with.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Yeah, am sure he wasn’t given Psyche drugs because he was suicidal?

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I’m sure he was just a happy normal guy before the Psych Drugs…Not Suicidal at all.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yes, he’s definitely a Clam and he’s very proud of it. He even has Facebook posts boasting that he was some kind of a champion CO$ bookseller and about getting his 4-year old into CO$ classes.

        • Frodis73

          Aw fuck me. Poor kid. Now I want to cry.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          No…

    • Super Power Wogsie

      This is sad : (

    • Psyche drugs? Why the fuck can’t these heartless, told-you-so ghouls spell?

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      That’s the FIRST question you ask? You. Are. DISGUSTING!

      • Frodis73

        I tweeted that in addition to some other things!

    • Phil McKraken

      Keith Avila should be asking who was caring for Lisa McPherson when she died. That’s a lot more relevant to his interests.

    • Mymy88

      That’s like saying, “People get in car accidents so we need to stop using them.” DUH you stupid dork (Keith)! Can you think of anything more stupid to say? DUH, no.

  • The Dude

    retweeted by Tony.

    Louis Theroux.

    “Just been informed by Scientology lawyers that Scientology is working on a documentary about me. Little bit excited; little bit nervous.”

    • Mockingbird

      An insult from Scientology is better than a compliment from most people . Seriously I hold many of the people that attack in high esteem .

      • The Dude

        I would not want to be in their sights. But I am just a fringe on the internet.
        Thank Meethorp!

        • MaxSpaceman

          Need a “p” in there, not “t”, dude – Meepthorp 🙂

          • The Dude

            Damn! Edited. Thanx!

    • edge

      It’s clear that the Debbie Cook experience has scared them from suing anyone. Any lawsuits open up church officials to deposition, and that poses problems. Their strategy is to simply disturb/scare/creep people into silence. That worked on Time Magazine decades ago. It won’t now.

      • The Dude

        I saw the docu he did on White Supremacist Skinheads. Scary shit. When he knew to get out was when one of them said he had heard that Louis was half Jewish.
        Those are scary dudes. He held his own.
        $cio ain’t got nothing on this guy.
        Balls o’ steel.

        • Frodis73

          Yeah, that was def scary. Those folks are just as brainwashed as our clam friends…plus they seem to thrive on violence. DM would fit right in with those guys.

          • The Dude

            I am a old Punk Rocker. I spent much of my 20’s in rural South Florida. I saw many people like that. I had many kids give me a nazi salute. I almost got in a scuffle with one because I would not give it back. He had 8 dudes ready to kick my ass, but a friend got me out of there. I don’t back down to racist swine. He had to drag me into his van and shuttle me out of that place.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Might explain yer anti-$ci slant

            • Missionary Kid

              They both march metaphorically in lock step.

            • The Dude

              Yeah! I got a mean streak for bullies. I have not raised a hand to anyone in 20 years. Took a lot of effort and therapy. I have never backed down from anything. I would rather get my ass kicked than bow down to some redneck jerk who is trying to intimitade me

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Circle Jerks, Murder the disturbed

              Really queer me sitting here

              You seem so sincere

              Your daughter flips the burgers

              As you reach for a second beer

              Mom says Grace, she’s learned her place

              The cruelest years are on her face

              Two car garage, a master charge

              Her tits aren’t firm, at least they’re large

              Murder the disturbed

              And all those perturbed

              Kill the Democrats

              Support tuition tax

              You served a meal, you spoke with zeal

              You think you’ve still sex appeal

              Your daughter serves desert

              As you enact your biggest deal

              Success has shown a second home

              The kids are cute, how they’ve grown

              One is dead, one’s on Reds

              She goes to school, she’s too well fed

              Murder the disturbed

              And all those perturbed

              Kill the Democrats

              Reinstate the draft

              Murder the disturbed

            • The Dude

              Teddy sniffing glue he was 12 years old
              Fell from the roof on east two-nine
              Cathy was 11 when she pulled the plug
              On 26 reds and a bottle of wine
              Bobby got leukemia, 14 years old
              He looked like 65 when he died
              He was a friend of mine

              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              They were all my friends, and they died

              G-berg and georgie let their gimmicks go rotten
              So they died of hepatitis in upper manhattan
              Sly in vietnam took a bullet in the head
              Bobby od’d on drano on the night that he was wed
              They were two more friends of mine
              Two more friends that died / I miss ’em–they died

              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              They were all my friends, and they died.

              Mary took a dry dive from a hotel room
              Bobby hung himself from a cell in the tombs
              Judy jumped in front of a subway train
              Eddie got slit in the jugular vein
              And eddie, I miss you more than all the others,
              And I salute you brother/ this song is for you my brother

              Those are people who died, died

              Those are people who died, died

              Those are people who died, died

              Those are people who died, died

              They were all my friends, and they died.

              Herbie pushed tony from the boys’ club roof
              Tony thought that his rage was just some goof
              But herbie sure gave tony some bitchen proof
              “hey,” herbie said, “tony, can you fly? ”
              But tony couldn’t fly . . . tony died

              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              They were all my friends, and they died.

              Brian got busted on a narco rap
              He beat the rap by rattin’ on some bikers
              He said, hey, I know it’s dangerous,
              But it sure beats riker’s
              But the next day he got offed
              By the very same bikers.

              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              Those are people who died, died
              They were all my friends, and they died.

              Jim Carroll – People Who Died

            • Frodis73

              Ah!! Jim Carol, my love!

            • The Dude

              It’s too late, to fall in Love with Sharon Tate.
              And it’s too soon, to ask me what words I want carved on my tomb!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Long Live his ex- Andrea Finky Feldman. Called all her ex’s to come over for her final acting performance. Then jumped out a window with a can of coke and a crucifix. Jim was very upset as he awsa late. Her Warhol, movie Heat ended up being a hit after she lept!

            • Frodis73

              Shit, I forgot about that…and that is such a fucked up story to forget!

            • Super Power Wogsie

              WTF ????

            • The Dude

              Yea. Wogs do crazy shit too.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Artists do crazy shit.

            • The Dude

              I had a friend here in Boston years ago. He was into Penn and Teller type magic shows. He had a show with razors, fake blood and girls dancing to techno music. He was doing a stunt and really cut himself badly. The audience thought it was part of the show and whooped and hollered. He almost bled to death, while the crowd went wild.
              He is ok now.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Ahhhhhhh! Holy shit. Thankfully.

            • The Dude

              In the name of art.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Yes. Artists are crazy to me.

              That’s why we love them.

            • Frodis73

              Yikes! Magicians are bat shit crazy (and fun) in the first place, but that is whacked!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Are you STILL molding things with that clay, sweetie?

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Lololol. Eeeeer…no.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              HeHe! yelling at the Ashtrays?

            • Super Power Wogsie

              You are joking right?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yes, you know how I like to tease you. You’re one of my best buddy’s on here. I hope you know that!

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Yes of course. Sometimes I can’t tell which is why I asked.

            • The Dude

              “Better an old demon, than a new god.”-Jim Carroll 1984

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I met jim at a poetry reading with my older step-brother. What a prick! Also,so was Johnathan Richmond. Oh and so was Chris Cornell. My step brother ran a club in the early days of grunge in Seattle. Some were awesome. Ben Shepard(from Sound Garden) was really cool. Actually taught him to write a check;long story. Most were nice!

            • Frodis73

              I have heard that he can be a prick. Hopefully the poetry reading made up for it. 😀

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It was great!

            • The Dude

              Jim Carroll seems like he would be a dick. But I dig him anyway. The same as Bukowski. I probably would have fought Bukowski in a drunken rage. But I love the guy.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Me,too.

            • Mymy88

              Did you say grunge? There is an excellent grunge moment in this awesome video.
              https://www.youtube (dot) com/watch?v=PMpQUsQcJFg

            • The Dude

              Better to stand a moment on your feet.
              Than a lifetime on your knees.

            • Ella Raitch

              Best line from Midnight Oil’s “Power and the Passion” ‘It’s better to die on your feet than to live on your knees…’

            • Frodis73

              I was too!! Was soooo bummed to meet another punk but then find out they were “that kind of punk”. LOL.

            • The Dude

              As one of my hero’s once said:
              NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!
              -Jello Biafra

            • Frodis73

              YEP! My fav quote of his is about how making something illegal just creates an underground black market for it. Totally paraphrasing it, but I’m sure you know the one.

            • The Dude

              My favorite Jello quote pertaining to $cio:

              All religions make me wanna throw up

              All religions make me sick

              All religions make me wanna throw up

              All religions suck

              They all claim that they have the truth

              That’ll set you free

              Just give ’em all your money and they’ll set you free

              Free for a fee

              They all claim that they have ‘the Answer’

              When they don’t even know the Question

              They’re just a bunch of liars

              They just want your money

              They just want your consciousness.

              -“Religious Vomit” Dead Kennedy’s

        • shasha40

          Yay for ” balls o’ steel ” , Bunkerittes like ! : D

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Debbie Cook was an evil witch who extorted money out of old ladies and bought sports cars with her cut of the cash. She’s lock them up in a room and make them borrow money from their wealthy friend’s or they weren’t getting out. She deserves to be in the hole after all but threatening elderly woman.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Todd, I have but one question. What are your crimes?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I’m a thief and a shit kicker and I wanna be famous. But only light blue collar crime against multinationals. Yours?

        • shasha40

          She too was under the spell of Lloon Hubtard . As a never-in looking from the outside , they are all victims and did what they did mainly for survival . What would be her alternative ,Ya know ? Possible disconnection ? That’s a heavy load to bear .

          • Todd Tomorrow

            She was a business woman and had no relatives except her clam husband and those big checks! Not a nice woman! But it took her awhile to give into her LLoon, lunatic. But if you want I’ll youtube you a story about her new sports car after extorting money out of an Italian woman. You forget what LLoon, said ‘make more make more money”

            • Sarah James

              Todd, anyone in Scientology gives up thinking for their own best interest. They give up protecting those in their own family. Remember the game Simon says? Change that to Hubbard says…Everyone in Scientology turns into a criminal, until they wake up and walk away. Captain David Miscavige has helped speed up the process as I’m sure Debbie Cook would agree. 🙂

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Hubbard says,”make more make more money money money’ what a profit.

            • Sarah James

              Yep, Scientology is all about the money. The only real goal.

      • shasha40

        And that part ! Loving it ! No teeth anymore , huh tiny member ? Lol : D

  • Frodis73

    Totally OT-Anybody watching Bruce Jenner on 20/20? I’m shocked: Kanye just earned a bit of respect from me for what he said about Jenner transitioning to a woman.

    • Super Power Wogsie

      It is on right now?
      I feel sorry for Kylie. What the hell?

      • Frodis73

        Yes, He and Kim were discussing it and she was having a tough time. He basically said even though he has a great wife and child he would be nothing if he couldn’t be himself. Pretty great coming from that asshat. I guess he helped Kim come around to be more accepting.
        Why do you feel sorry for Kylie? Did I miss something?

        • Super Power Wogsie

          Kylie is the daughter that had her entire face done. She is only 17 years old. She basically looks like Kim now.

          • shasha40

            That’s just frickin’ crazy . Only 17 ? Damn .

            • Super Power Wogsie

              It is just wrong.

            • shasha40

              47x Infinity , wrong . And not your definition of wrong , Davey. Tick,Tock goes the clock …

          • Frodis73

            Yikes! I have never watched them, but that “mom” is a monster…I blame her.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Honey Boo Boo?

            • Frodis73

              No, the Kardashian mom.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              I blame both of the parents, but the mother was the alpha female that ran that family.

          • Mymy88

            I don’t ever watch ‘The View’, but my mother does and she’s hard of hearing, so she has the TV blasting all the time, but at least she’s in the back of the house, and I’m always in the front on the laptop lol. The other day I was walking by her room and I heard them talking about Kylie having that all that cosmetic stuff done to her face, and they were all horrified.

            Did you notice how I went all out of my way to emphasize that I don’t watch ‘The view’? It’s only because I’m not into current interesting events or celebrity doings. I’ve retired from caring about anything going on in the world, except for things to do with getting rid of all the BS that is Nurotology… er, I mean Scientology.

    • Missionary Kid

      Am I right in believing that just about every family that has been the subject of a “reality” show that the after events have been weird.

      Probably Bruce wouldn’t have so much publicity about his life right now if he hadn’t been a part of an unreality show.

      • Frodis73

        I agree that it prob wouldn’t be as big w/out his recent Kardashian stuff.

        • Missionary Kid

          I loathe the whole consumerist Kartrashian clan because of the values they espouse by the way they live. I really don’t know the part that Bruce has played in the show, because I refuse to watch it, but I’m very aware of his capabilities as an athlete.

          It must have been tough to have to maintain and keep secret his feelings when he had an image as an All-American Hero and he-man, and his livelihood depended on it.

          • Frodis73

            I absolutely agree with your first part. Sad thing is, I guess Bruce started to transition to a woman, but then met that Kardashian woman! I missed the beginning of interview, so I don’t know if she pressured him NOT to change or he just never told her or what. It makes me sad that he could have been living his life as his true self so much earlier. RIP Denise Brennan.

            • Sherbet

              But hooray Kate Bornstein.

            • Frodis73

              Yes! She is a hero of mine. Awesome woman and I’d be honored to meet her one day.

            • Sherbet

              I imagine her surrounded by a force field of energy, power, and strength that bowls over anyone in her path. That’s how she writes, so she probably “wears” it, too.

            • Mymy88

              Me too. I love listening to her when she’s on a podcast. Everything she says is so interesting and I love the way she expresses herself.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I was babysitting and we watched the first season of, Honey Boo-Boo. What a car wreck but I was happy it knocked off the Kartrashian clan right out of the #1 spot of garbage reality television. Actually, the first reality show was about a family in Berkley,Ca. a long time ago. Ended up destroying their family, I forgot what it was called. Had one of the first gay kids to come out on TV. Might have been on PBS. Then came Cops years later.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      ? Who, what? I’m lost..

      • Super Power Wogsie

        The Kardashians dad, Bruce Jenner, is transitioning to become a woman.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I thought he was dead? OJ, dream team.

          • Sherbet

            That was Robert Kardashian.

          • Super Power Wogsie

            After Robert Kardashian died, Momma Kardashian (Kris) got remarried to the olympian runner/sprinter, Bruce Jenner. He is the one that is transitioning.

            • Sherbet

              I think R and K were already divorced when R died. Not sure.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              No, you are right. I do remember something about her having an affair before they got divorced, but for sure she remarried after she died. Not sure of the exact details.

            • Sherbet

              Thank God I don’t know all the details of the Kardashians’ and Jenners’ lives, because that would mean I’m a fan of the show. I just know what I’ve picked up — you know, People magazine at the dentist’s office.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Yep same here. I got a People Mag in the mail with Kylie’s new face. I was shocked. I hope she doesn’t do a what Kim did and make a tape.

            • Sherbet

              My husband used to have to get up around 3 a.m. for work, and while he was getting ready and having breakfast, he’d channel surf, and he’d catch a few minutes of the Keeping Up show, which would be rerunning at that time. He’d say it was like rubbernecking at an accident — fascinating but repulsive at the same time.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Kylie, their daughter is going to be a boy? Wow, I watched a doc on becoming Chaz, late one night and I couldn’t sleep. I of course have nothing against it but it is really hard. They showed three possible ways to make a penis but none really worked. Cher said she knew she was different when she was five and wouldn’t give her a cent for the surgery. I think 17 is too young to be doing that.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              lolol. Nooooooo. Bruce Jenner is Kim kardashians step dad. He is undergoing the sex change. His daughter, Kylie who is 17, went under the knife and got plastic surgery. She basically looks like Kim.

            • Frodis73

              No, Bruce Jenner, former Olympian is becoming a woman.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Guess, I’d better brush up on my knowledge of current events. Thought Jenner, was almost killed in a car accident. One of his girl’s was having plastic surgery to become a boy. But Kardasian, is dead, I know that. The mom likes to flash her vagina when she gets out of cars!

            • Frodis73

              No, he was fine after accident, but he did kill woman in other car. LOL about vajayjay flashing. That sounds like something that woman would do. She thinks she’s 22.

            • Eclipse-girl

              yes they were

          • Frodis73

            Todd…you are killing me. I thought I lived under a rock when it comes to this stuff, but you seriously haven’t heard anything about Bruce Jenner this past year? LOL. Good for you though!
            He did a good thing tonight though.

            • Sherbet

              I was just about to say, Todd, have you been living under a rock? 😀

          • villagedianne

            Bruce Jenner is a second husband to Robert Kardashian’s ex-wife, and so he is Kim Kardashian’s step-father.

    • Sherbet

      Didn’t watch it. I respect anyone who goes through that transition in order to feel whole and at peace with himself/herself. But doing so under the public’s scrutiny must be hellish, and, for that, I blame the stupid TV show and Jenner himself for going along with the script for as many years as he did. If he never felt like the patriarch of the whole annoying family, if he knew that was not what he wanted to be, he could have removed himself and begun his own life on his own terms. All I can imagine is that money and greed kept him faking along with the rest of them and postponing his decision to be honest with himself.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He has two sons from a first marriage Brody & Grody.

        • Sherbet

          Yeah, yeah, pulling our collective legs, are ya, Todd?

        • Missionary Kid

          Children: Kylie Jenner, Kendall Jenner, Brody Jenner, Casey Jenner,Brandon Jenner, Burt Jenner

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I was teasin’, ‘Brody & Grody’

            • Missionary Kid

              I knew that, but you piqued my curiosity. BTW, Jenner’s second wife was Elvis’ girlfriend before she met Bruce.

    • jazzlover

      There was no way I was not watching my Rangers lay the wood to the Pittsburgh Penguins 🙂

      • SLIM

        And the Rangers did them in…Yay!

    • Missionary Kid

      In the Huffington Post, there’s an article by Linda Thompson, Bruce’s second wife, who has kept his secret all these years. She understands him very well, and he revealed his secret to her years ago.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-thompson/bruce-jenner-linda-thompson_b_7080918.html

      • Frodis73

        Thanks MK, that was very interesting.

  • Frodis73

    Does anybody remember an interview that Mike and I think Tony gave around the time of Going Clear that discussed DM not getting audited? The reporter asked something like what is the biggest secret about DM or something like that….ring any bells or did I imagine this?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      yes, give me a bit

      • MostEthicalPimp

        sorry couldn’t find it.

        • Frodis73

          Thanks for trying, much appreciated.

    • Toni m

      It happened, but like you I can remember where I read it or ear it. dm’s wife tried to get him to do it but she fail.

    • Sherbet

      I vaguely remember; something like the biggest secret is that DM is not a scientologist, because he does not practice anything, most of all, auditing.

      • shasha40

        The Pope of $cientology doesn’t need auditing ! He has been a Big Being for quite some time now , not a mere mortal!! Keep up , Sherb ! Lol : D

        • Sherbet

          Dang, you’re right, of course. A person’s ecclesiasticalness rises in direct proportion to the price of his suits.

          • shasha40

            Exactly ! Lol 😀

      • Frodis73

        Yes! I swear it was in an interview with TO and MR. I want to give it to somebody that was asking and I can’t find it…hence I thought I “mocked” it up on my own.lol

        • Toni m

          Maybe Clara Headley in an interview with Jeffrey?

        • Sherbet

          I wish I could remember where, but I can’t. Maybe with Allison Hope Weiner?

          • Frodis73

            It was def print and not live I do know that.

            • Sherbet

              Oh. OK. Hmmm. You got me. Tony will have to chime in on this one. (But he may be asleep.)

            • Frodis73

              I was hoping he’d see it, but he needs to rest…he does enough for us. 🙂 At least I know I didn’t dream it or make it up.

            • Sherbet

              No. I think E-girl has it right, though, upthread.

      • Robert Eckert

        It was Atack I think? I also vaguely remember, and can’t find it.

    • Super Power Wogsie

      I remember reading something to the effect of DM not being audited since the early 90’s. I would assume that is because he would have to confess all the dirty tricks he pulls.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I think it was because he played with his anus while he masturbated. (Answer to a Sea Arghh child’s confession sec=check)

        • Super Power Wogsie

          Never heard about that one.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Tony had examples of real life confessions the kids had to give prior to getting in the, Sea Arghh.

            • Mymy88

              I know I’m thick, but I still don’t get the connection of that (children’s confessions before getting into the Sea Ors), with Pisscavige playing with his anus while he masturbated?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              BM, had to answer the same questions at one time to be let in the, Sea Org.

            • Mymy88

              Oh! Light bulb just turned on. I need to get my wiring checked lol.

        • Mymy88

          Ha ha Todd. You are a wicked little thing. But I didn’t get what you meant in the parenthesis.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Tony listed some responses to questions given to Sea Org, members and their confessions before they need to be allowed in. He listed several examples and crossed out the names. These were true things they answered. Of course it lives forever in their file.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I do. I want to pin in on the NY interview where there was a panel that included Mike, Alex, tony and Lawrence

      But I am human and I could be in error.

      • Sherbet

        That sounds very likely, E. You may be right.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I believe the interviewer was a NY Times film critic, if that helps.

          The interview was broadcast after a showing of Going Clear in New York City
          Then there was a Q & A after the interview.
          It was written up in the press.

          I think there was a scientology who got in the last question that was directed toward Lawrence Wright.

          • Sherbet

            I’m positive you’re right, although Frodis thinks it was in print.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It was written up the next day, possibly by the NY Times.

            • Sherbet

              Ah. Well, there are lots of clues here, so Frodis should be able to Google it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Hopefully we have left enough crumbs for her to follow 😉

            • Frodis73

              I have been!!!

            • Frodis73

              No, it wasn’t discussed live. I also seem to remember somebody made a fuss about it…Media Lush I think and he and TO got into it. I remember Tony saying it was a great question because nobody else had asked it before and it stood out to him.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I suggest that you ask Mike Rinder about it.
              He is nice and he answers his emails.

              ETA : I am sorry I wasn’t any help

            • Frodis73

              I’m hoping he does as he was included in the tweets where I was asked about it. If not I will drop him an email. There was sooooooo much press, it’s hard to remember everything. This is such a good thing-not complaining at all. 😀

            • Eclipse-girl

              its all good (((HUGS)))

            • Super Power Wogsie

              I believe TO wrote about Will Smith that day.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It’s been in several different venues.

          • Charlieisaferalgod

            Are you thinking of the Times Talk with Gibney, Rinder, Wright and Haggis?

            http://timestalks.com/detail-event.php?event=alex_gibney,_paul_haggis,_lawrence_wright

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is exactly what I was talking of. Thank you.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I think you’re right. But if not, then maybe the Austin panel.

    • aegerprimo

      This has been mentioned several times in many places. I don’t think there is a specific reference to it. For some reason the Vanity Fair article that hopefully questioned “Where is Shelly” comes to mind. Did you Google it?

      • Frodis73

        It was very recent…like around the time the movie aired on HBO or maybe after the Sundance showing. I know the DM not auditing thing is talked about a few other places, but this was the most recent and Mike was the source.

        • Super Power Wogsie
          • Frodis73

            Yep!! That’s it!!!! You are the best!!!!!!!!!

          • Frodis73

            I wonder who the national news organization was. As it looks like this never aired or was printed other than here at the Bunker.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              hmmmm. can’t remember off the top of my head.

            • Peggy oh!

              Could it have been the Megan Kelley interviews? I remember this too, but not where…

            • Tony Ortega

              Daily Beast. I don’t think the guy ever used it. He did use what we said about Will Smith, etc.

            • Frodis73

              Thank you Tony. Now I remember also that it was the thing about Will Smith that had ML upset.

    • Tony Ortega

      This was something Mike and I told Marlow Stern from the Daily Beast. I wrote about it, but I don’t think Stern did.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Hey Tony, speaking of interviews you gave, do you still want that audio from the Atlanta radio appearance? I did send you a dropbox link, but I know it’s been a hectic week.

  • Charlieisaferalgod

    Eric Idle remarked at the Monty Python reunion at Tribeca: ”But I think we should now apply for tax-deductible status on the grounds that we are funnier than Scientology … we could be a religion.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/04/24/monty_python_reunites_at_tribeca_we_are_funnier_than_scientology_we_could_be_a_religion/

  • aegerprimo

    Comments for this run on Disqus and as of right now there are no comments. Just sayin’.

    CBS2’s Chris Wragge Talks To John Travolta About New Movie, Scientology
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/04/24/john-travolta-talks-scientology-the-forger-movie-with-chris-wragge/

    • Mymy88

      Don’t tell me. It quotes Travolta as saying “I’m a dumbass hypocritical ignoramous and you can be too if you read a book.” lol

  • Frodis73

    Somebody started an actual petition to stop that building from getting historical designation.

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/tell-the-frederick-county-council-to-vote-against/donate?sig_id=32795798

    • Peggy oh!

      Is this a legit petition site? It’s run by angle three productions llc. Looks creepy.

      http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?61151-Online-petitions-are-they-genuine-Or-phishing-trips

      I think I’d prefer to give my info to change.org or something.

      • Frodis73

        I don’t know…it came from the COS exit zone twitter account.

        • Peggy oh!

          Arg I sure wish it was on a more legit site. I’d sign it.

          But the problem with petitions is that they hold no weight with local governments unless it is a petition that is legally mandated to be respected. For an example a petition to hold a referendum or special election, that type of thing…

          Otherwise they are more symbolic . They can sometimes be successful with businesses.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, they seem to work when it comes to bad PR with a business, but that’s about it. I signed because it may work in the same way since this is such a small local issue gaining lots of attention. Something shady is going on there and they are trying to keep it on the down low imho.

            • Peggy oh!

              Oh definitely! It so shady it should be renamed Shady Acres!

            • Frodis73

              It angers me to no end that it looks like the sci’s safepointed that Jude House rehab place. Money can buy anything sadly.

            • Juicer77

              Money + ignorance is the Co$ favorite combination. Don’t worry, more info is being sought. Stay tuned.

            • Frodis73

              Cool. On my list of things to do is also emailing that Jude (Judas!!) House. That email you got had me on fire. I was soooo tempted to email them the funny reply that (oh shoot, I forget who wrote it) ?? wrote…you know the one I mean. Sarcastic and full of facts though.

            • Juicer77

              There are people trying to figure out if they have been safepointed or are merely misinformed. I’d recommend reading the thread over at RFTTP to see where things stand. Your support is welcome. The real fight is making sure the public, other referring agencies and gov’t officials really understand how deceptive and sneaky and dangerous NarCONon is.
              http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12898.msg35357/topicseen.html#new

    • nukethevolcano

      Hey, that was a nice conversation you had with that Avila guy. Planted a seed, might grow.

  • Peggy oh!

    Last night I watched the Enough is Enough video with Victoria Britton. I have to say this is one chapter I was only vaguely aware of.

    I wish the LA times would do a sequel to the Ron Sr story, with this story on another Miscavige family caper!

    There are good court docs to work with too!

    I think it’s time for another hack at that fucking family tree.

  • Missionary Kid

    4,600 square meters is nearly 49,514 square feet. With the few $cientologists in Switzerland, that’s a lot of room for each one. Of course, one has to deduct LRH’s office space first.

    • Peggy oh!

      LOL 🙂

    • Apparently there’s an LRH washroom that always goes with the office.

      But does it have toilet paper?

      • Missionary Kid

        Good question. That would be a mark of how much anyone believes he’s actually coming back. 😉

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I think they’d have had to doubt his return enough to borrow/steal his toilet tissue since that seems to be the last thing they provide for their Sea Arghh, members. Knowing them they have a spy camera to see who is knicking the Charmin, so they can get some more slave labor sent to the RPF.

          • Mymy88

            Jesus! Imagine what would happen if someone was caught stealing LRH’s patiently waiting toilet paper? Immediate RPF of the RPF? Five million set checks until the person goes completely insane and is offloaded? God only knows.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Anzac Day shots… lol… most of my pics are of the kids, and I thought better of posting them here. These are anonymous enough to share.

  • Dave In Ajax
    • Juicer77

      The video at the bottom has a 2008 timestamp, I’m assuming his recording device was just set incorrectly?
      In any case, good for Mr. Love, being so tenacious with this case.

  • Mymy88

    Eh, I was bored, so I went looking for a good tweet I could post here, at least I hope someone other than me thinks it’s good. lol. It’s from about a week ago. (Edit to add) Yick, I wonder why the print so shitty looking? I must have done something different than I usually do. I am technically challenged.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      How about this one?
      Apparently nothing makes Angelinos madder than breaking into a live police chase to show a commercial. Except that is, when they break into a live police chase to show a crappy CO$ commercial! Ha!
      https://twitter.com/joanne_dahlia/status/591843560925696000

      • Mymy88

        I would have to run to the kitchen sink and gag if I ever saw a Scientology commercial on TV, no matter what I was watching. Bleck! Nauseating f’ers!

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I can compare it to unexpectedly having an unwelcome guest take a big dump in the middle of the room.

          You are left wondering how the hell did they manage to sneak in here and who the hell wants to see their sh*t! It’s pretty nauseating.

          • Mymy88

            Ha ha ha, yup! Excellent analogy.

  • Mymy88

    Eh, I’m still bored, so I have decided to tell a little story. About a month ago, I was browsing through some comments at god only knows what on-line magazine. I could look it up but meh (if anyone wants me to, I’ll be happy to do that). Anyway, in this on-line article, the raid that was done during the Snow White US government infiltration, which was the largest domestic US government infiltration in all of history, to this day (I always like to spell that out), was touched on a bit. The writer also mentioned how David Pisscavage ordered some folks that were in his entourage to go outside and sweep leaves and passively aggressively sweet some onto the FBI agents as they walked on the drive.

    So I’m going through the comments and I see Jesse Prince had commented. So I thought, COOL! But when I read it, all it said was, “I was one of the idiots who was sweeping the leaves”. And that’s all it said. The article did not even mention the name of Jesse Prince. So then I read the reply and it says , “At least you’re on the right path now”.

    I thought to myself, this person probably has no clue who Jesse Prince is. Naturally, I decided to inform the person. I said something like, “You obviously don’t know who Jesse Prince is. At one time he was the number two person in Scientology, directly under David Miscavige. I don’t know why he’s being so modest and trying to sneak under the radar like he has with his comment. Please, Google him and check out this great man’s achievements. He is one of the most famous ex-scientology executives in the history of Scientology”. Something like that.

    So a bit of time passes, a few weeks maybe, and I get Disqus notification, and it was Jesse Prince. He had “liked” my post. Ha ha ha. I loved that. The end 🙂

    • Super Power Wogsie

      Hahaha! Nice!

      • Mymy88

        Why thank you Ms. Wogsy.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    A relative came over to house sit for me last week and saw at least three of the Hubbard ads which show him to be a military hero, best selling author, sailing on every sea, youngest eagle scout. We’ve all seen this bullshit but I thought it would be interesting for all of you to know it is being shown. They didn’t remember the channel.

    • Mymy88

      Wha?? I wonder who got that deal to go through (showing ads like that on TV)?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Duggan, probably greased their palms with enough cash.

        • Mymy88

          Hopefully, most people know of Scien’s reputation for bold face lying after all the recent puclicity, and are not fooled. I hope it turns out that commercials like that are merely additional foot bullets to this ridiculous atrocity known as the cherch of spam-scamology. F’ers!

          • These ads will accomplish a whole lot of nothing. Well, aside of some really funny tweets.

            • Mymy88

              Yeah! Wildly popular shared tweets! lol

            • Indeed. The best PR strategy for them right now, would be staying quiet and act benevolent, may be even throw in an apology or two. But no, this train wreck seem to enjoy its own demise. So be it.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Dodo, in the history of Scientology has anyone in power ever apologized for something. SO have made me cry and all they said was that was wrong of my while explaining the Tone Scale trick as their reason for yelling at me when I went into grief.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              I’m sorry that you had to go through that MEP. I absolutely hate the Sea Org. I really, really don’t like them.

              I did have one douchebag staff member apologize to me, and I can tell you right now, he did NOT like it, and it was a mumbled “sorry”. He is still on my shit list by the way – sorry or no sorry.

            • Newiga

              “Always attack, never defend.” Unfortunately for them, keeping quiet and/or apologizing doesn’t fit that picture…

            • Mymy88

              So you do, so you be! F’ers!

    • Waste of money.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Damn it when I was at work I came up with this great question…. It was about BTs or some shit… Well just imagine I wrote it down and that you’re reading it now..

    • Mymy88

      Ha ha ha. You made me think of this:

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    will the asthmatic slapping midget be in basel this week end or it will be video showi and big applause to a large video plasma device and balloons up in the sky hip hip hip hooray !

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Was discussed earlier. nobody knows… Though maybe we can use flight track software to see if any of the usual private planes have left for Basal.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Private planes can request that their info is withheld.
        I have not seen any activity on TC or JT’s planes, and DM’s tail number remains unknown.
        Here is a snip if John Travoltas plane…

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Oh, I remember what I was going to say!!!
    Every now and then people ask about what would LRH/Scientology run country look like. Well, here’s something you may not have thought of. They would forcible disconnect SPs.[kill’em] But since that wouldn’t solve the countries problems. They would then cognite on that the SP thetans were becoming BTs or kids in other bodies. So what they would do would then be to freeze all SPs alive in a glycol-alcohol mixture keep them preeminently frozen in-order to prevent their thatens from escaping.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      And there is this…
      HCO Info Ltr: E-Meters Replace Guns

      Used, for instance, at a road block, if the subject took the electrodes in hand and the E-Meter was adjusted to read, the tone arm would tell at once whether the person should be questioned further. A tone-arm too high or too low would mark the subject that should be interrogated at length. Sixty persons an hour could be checked by one machine in the hands of one operator by using the tone arm only. And every person with a bad tone arm reading could be set aside for additional testing. All this has held true on tens of thousands of cases.

      This compared to the old police lie detector is a great advantage since the old lie detector required about one hour per subject.

      The 6,000 pound detector would require a truck to carry it about. Its new, better grandson is a box not much bigger than a large book.

      And what if a person refused to take the electrodes. They almost never refuse even when guilty. But if they did, a gentle placing of the electrodes under the armpits or against the soles of the feet gets the same readings.

      The E-Meter costs no 6,000 pounds. It costs about 36 pounds less than a good rifle. And it gets the right game, not the pawn or the innocent bystander.

      In troubled times business tends to halt because there has been no way to sort out the dishonest employee, house boy or farmhand. The method used in the past was to remove all the help to a reserve. And that nearly ruined everyone and punished the innocent.

      A better method is for every manager or householder to have an E-Meter and to understand its operation (it takes about two weeks to become rather expert). Every employee can be checked out at effective intervals and trouble will be caught a long time before it happens, for the instigator of future trouble would instantly be disclosed. It’s nice to sleep comfortably and eat and work with no fear.

      • pixie dust

        This is truly frightening.

      • jazzlover

        I didn’t see it, but it reads like the basis for Cruise’s “Minority Report”, no?

        • Juicer77

          Ah, you beat me to it!

          • jazzlover

            Sorry. I’m relatively new here and haven’t quite figured out what my place is yet 🙂

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Thanks. It’s interesting verifies what I already thought from other sources. It’s interesting to see how the first round of purging would start. But I was ta;king about what would Hubbard’s next move be after that one failed to produce his desired results. I’d bet money he would pull a full xenu and freeze people as “criminals” based on nothing more then the results of a Sec-Check. I don’t think Hubbard realized that himself because he thought just killing them would “work.”

        “In a very large number of cases checked on the E-Meter it was discovered that the majority of persons guilty of political crimes were first guilty of actual crimes such as robbery, murder, rape and mayhem. Of a long series of known communists checked out, the large majority were found to have committed crimes of violence.

        In the light of this startling fact, jailing a person for political beliefs or sedition becomes relatively unnecessary. One doesn’t jail a murderer for inciting a riot and incur vast international press repercussions. One jails a murderer for murder and hangs him very thoroughly.”

        AKA Anyone who doesn’t agree with Hubbard politically is a murder or close enough and can be killed. Adding on to this what he says about people below two on the tone scale.

        But since I don’t see it working aka the country will work about as well as any Scientology Admin Company he’ll go xenu on people…

      • Juicer77

        O.o
        Cannot upvote this. *shudders*
        Like Minority Reort, no?

  • Pierrot

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    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,
    Yesterday’s removal is disappointing with only Boston and LA creeping in.

    It looks like one can vote daily: Vote NO (historical classification) for the Maryland narconon Trout Farm: http://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/news_regular_features/daily_poll/does-the-trout-run-retreat-deserve-a-historic-designation/poll_80093ddd-6971-5e62-9bad-d908a1ff4bad.html
    Complain to CL about Boston Spamming:
    http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/20/hear-the-full-police-interview-of-scientology-spy-daniel-powell-about-stalking-ron-miscavige-sr/#comment-1978358948

    RedX tips : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2525027
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    F5… Cupa Joe by Obs , flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14214005201/in/set-72157642802079293

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Are there any business card templates with the Free Loader Debt is illegal and exseaorg number?

      • Pierrot

        There are a couple of pics by TheThetaBara and THDNE
        from THDNE:

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I’ll print some out and use when I see a lone SO

      • Pierrot

        Thetabara:

  • Anyone in Basel, give us an update, please!

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Using my OT powers granted to me by signing the SO contract:
      There are a bunch of kooks waiting on an even bigger kook to deliver a nonsensical speech about 47x.

    • Pierrot

      Good morning Dodo.

    • Pierrot

      Some new pics and some folks arriving for the “celebration”: https://www.facebook.com/iqbasel

    • Pierrot

      Slappy is there rehearsing ! http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/

      • MostEthicalPimp

        God, why can’t some crazed freezone just blow the guys…
        thnx DodoTheLaser your right a little to much

      • I am truly surprised he is there. Good.

        • Pierrot

          I did not think he would appear either as we are going to have balcony seats for the world to watch him and hear him!

          • I bet it’s his fuck you to The Bunker.

            • L. C. Spencer

              I’m amazed, too, but I bet you’re actually right. Not that he doesn’t live in fear, but not showing up to an Ideal opening would be *showing* fear, and no doubt he sees that as fatal.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            You have to look at it like this.
            The stage and decorations – all for him
            The new building in all it’s gilded MDF splendour – all for him
            The imported crowds – all for him

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Ahem – what did I say yesterday!
        Ego rules!

        • Pierrot

          I am truly amazed 🙂

          • Eivol Ekdal
            • MostEthicalPimp

              Just asked if we could get a live webcam for the main event..

            • TheMirrorThetan

              I wanna see if the ecclesiastical hair is even higher than his last appearance.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I bet the hairline is.

            • anonsparrow

              I think he’s all pissed off because that photographer was taking a picture from behind the podium thereby spilling Miscavige’s apple crate full of secrets.

            • Richard Grant

              That is a scary-looking photographer.

            • Aura Borealis

              Wow surprised he showed up. Is there a picture of the crowd, if there was one? They usually hire extras when doing events in America. How is he going to convince the people still inside that $cientology is growing when noone is showing up for international events?!?! Are they going to photoshop the pictures? This gets madder everyday.

          • Richard Grant

            Me too! I was sure he would chicken out.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            I have a feeling we might see a new, made for the ‘Wog Stage’ version of an opening ceremony. Or a very short one (no pun intended) like we saw at StuporPowerz.

        • anonsparrow

          i stand corrected. I thought for sure he would chicken out.

          And I see he’s looking as cheerful as ever! (Must have watched Going Clear.)

          • I stand corrected too. Still wonder if Walter will be there.

        • Rita Gregory

          You called it, sir!

          • Eivol Ekdal

            OK that’s enough – I take a little bow and it’s business as usual.
            🙂

            • aquaclara

              This is fun seeing pics firsthand this early. Wilfried and company are doing great!

              I voted yes, that he would show, too. For a couple of reasons.
              It’s been almost a year since his flock of minions has seen him, and he has to protect the whale base. Besides, he needs vid coverage for his next big event. And he told the court, remember, that he was too busy opening orgs and things to show up in a deposition….

    • Jack99

      Miscavige is just about to go on stage, but there’s a panic, since they can’t find the apple box.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Don’t worry they have a back-up plan. Every SO member has trained to pose as a table/apple box and support his ecclesiastical weight.

  • Pierrot

    I hope that Herr Wilfried Handl has the police on quick dial, osa might have some dirty tricks up their sleeves.

  • Wu-Tang-Clam (what’sup)

    Dave: Hey TC mind if borrow the ol’ gulfstream this weekend to choof off to Switzerland?
    Tom: Sure thing lil buddy…….whatchyadoin’?
    Dave: I have some banking to do…..and something else….but I forget what that was.
    Tom: Oh well couldn’t be that important then!

    Cackle, Cackle, high 5’s ……Cackle,Lulz…..Aahhhh GOODTIMES.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    OT – does anybody remember the exact quote or source for, and I paraphrase, “our best defence is the fact that people will never believe”? I am talking in the sense of Hubbard saying in effect, people will find it hard to accept just how crazy we can be.

    • Don’t remember the exact reference, but Hubbard definitely said that.

    • Rita Gregory

      “Incredulity of our data and
      validity. This is our finest asset and gives us more protection than any
      other single thing. If certain parties thought we were real we would
      have infinitely more trouble. There’s actual terror in the breast of a
      guilty person at the thought of OT, and without a public incredulity we
      never would have gotten as far as we have. And now it’s too late to be
      stopped. This protection was accidental but it serves us very well
      indeed. Remember that the next time the ignorant scoff.”– L. Ron
      Hubbard, “Scientology Review”, HCO Bulletin of 29 July 1963

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Ding Ding – thank you kindly Rita.

        • Rita Gregory

          You are quite welcome.

  • Richard Grant

    Good morning y’all! I can’t believe Dave didn’t chicken out. Now we get to see him address the disappointingly small crowd.

    Have any Bunkerites made plans to attend the demonstration? I assume Wilfried will be there, of course. Live updates or tweets or something would be awesome.

  • Dolly Jones

    Just reading over at the Daily Mail UK that Kirstie tweeted something about the Bruce Jenner Interview but later deleted it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3054982/Kirstie-Alley-backpedals-tweeting-world-mistaken-bravery-instanity-following-ABC-s-Bruce-Jenner-interview.html

    • Wu-Tang-Clam (what’sup)

      Ice cold is the gravy that courses through Kirstie’s veins.

      • Dolly Jones

        Apparently after bit of a backlash she tweeted again saying that her tweet was nothing to do with Jenner.

        • WindexClear

          Horseshit. She just realized everyone could see her lizard skin and decided she’d better cover her ass.

          • Dolly Jones

            Yeah very transparent. Her backup story doesn’t even make sense. lol

  • Pete Griffiths

    “What begins today will only be accomplished in alignment with the LRH maxim “There is no such thing as failure.” – David Miscavige, on stage at the Basel Ideal Org opening.

  • Pete Griffiths

    David Miscavige on stage at the Basel Ideal Org opening

    • Pete Griffiths

      😐

    • shasha40

      Squish him between your fingers . Please . : D

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Crush, crush, crush!

    • BraveBloggers

      Don’t worry, I’m only crushing your head!

    • anonsparrow

      Awesome!

  • Sam Domingo

    “Supporters from Austria, France, and Ireland are among those expected at the three-hour event”. Is anyone from Switzerland showing up? Some major celebs perhaps?

    • Pete Griffiths

      The Irish Scientology contingent was not in Basel. In a crowd of only 750 approx I would have spotted any familiar faces.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    they were five millions body thetans who attended this big event according to high rank senior scilons renegade officers

  • Dave Reams

    I don’t speak German, but can make out enough to see a lively thread of public criticism in the Basel newspaper
    http://bazonline.ch/basel/stadt/Hunderte-werden-zur-Demo-gegen-Scientology-erwartet/story/11621698

  • Ella Raitch

    Looking at this article late and not sure if it has been posted but Ita Buttrose in the interview with Nick Xenophon is a huge deal. A very powerful women in social commentary, Ita was a founding editor of Cleo magazine in Australia (bringing us the male centrefold) and was long time editor of supermarket staple Women’s Weekly. Ita has the ears of a lot of people in politics in the media.

    eta – Jessica Rowe – big journo herself and partner of Peter Overton the journalist who Tom Cruise gave a lesson in manners to (put your manners in).