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From Cradle to Slave: Nora Crest starts her video series with frank talk about Scientology and sex

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Nora Crest dazzled attendees at the Toronto Scientology conference organized by Jon Atack last month, and now you’re going to get a taste of her storytelling talents with the video she’s allowing us to debut here today.

We told you earlier that Nora was starting a series of her own about what it’s like to grow up in Scientology and work in its restrictive Sea Org. Today, she’s launching her series, “Growing Up Scientology: From Cradle to Slave,” with a piece about her own experiences learning about the organization’s attitudes about sex.

As Nora explains, Sea Org members are taught that there’s a hierarchy of sexual transgressions in Scientology, and that only heterosexual sex — in the missionary position, and between married adults — is actually permitted. But as for everything else, there’s a descending scale of venality, and she lays out those rules here and has a lot of fun doing it. give it a look!

 

 
We asked Nora for some words about her project, and she sent us this…

Growing up in Scientology is a lot like my tattoos. I got my first one from a relatively famous tattoo artist. He had a reputable, well established shop. I thought very long about what I wanted to get. I found a picture of what I wanted and I sent it to him. I thought he was going to put his artistic twist on what I had suggested and that it would be a unique and wonderful creation. When I got to his shop I was terrified. It wasn’t what I thought at all. It was dark and frankly scary. There was a life size Pennywise staring down at me from the ceiling. But I decided to go through with it. I really wanted this tattoo from this artist. It was going to be great. It hurt like hell. I was sweating and very uncomfortable the whole time. I thought that this is what getting a tattoo was supposed to be like so I just gritted my teeth and went with it. I tried to engage him while he was tattooing me. He was more interested in the shop shenanigans that were going on than in me. After I looked at the finished product I was disappointed. It was sorta what I had wanted but not really. I spent MONTHS convincing myself that it was what I had asked for. The more I looked at it, this permanent picture on my body, the more flaws I saw in it and the more disappointed I grew with my choice. I started beating myself up. Was my choice too trendy? Did I not tell him what I really wanted well enough? Why didn’t I go with my gut feeling and leave? But it was too late now. I literally had to live with this tattoo that covered most of my left forearm.

Then I decided to get another Tattoo. Not from him. I researched and really looked into tattoo artists and found one locally. I spoke to her at length beforehand about what I wanted. She was ECSTATIC about the idea and couldn’t wait to sketch it out. What she put together was EXACTLY what I had envisioned. The tattoo took 10 times as long as the first one I had gotten but hurt WAY less. She apologized when I was in pain and was very friendly and open when we talked. Now that I had this fantastic Tattoo I looked at my first one. Sitting there looking pathetic and just not good. A reminder of my past and of not being true to myself. A permanent reminder of letting someone control me. So I spoke to my new artist. I told her I wanted to change that into something beautiful. She said no problem. Again we worked together and she did the most brilliant coverup. The original tattoo is under there. Unseen. The world now sees what I want. What I created. What I truly am. And I know what is under there. It is still a part of me, but it doesn’t define me.

That is what growing up in and leaving Scientology is like. You have permanent marks but they aren’t the whole story. My channel, Growing Up Scientology: From Cradle to Slave will allow former child slaves to tell their story. To take back their story and to help them be free of the past by getting the whole truth out there. I have now put together an IndieGoGo campaign. Growing Up Scientology: From Cradle to Slave.

Why do we need funding? I mean there are videos up already. CLEARLY I know how to make a video and I have some equipment. Yes. I am pretty decent at making videos. I made mine on a Canon Camera. We possess one microphone right now. We would need a bit more equipment to ramp up production on these videos but MOSTLY we need to be able to get to all of the people who have stories to tell. There are hundreds of us out there. And traveling all over the US and in some cases other countries, costs lots of $$$$ that I don’t currently have yet. (WHERE is my winning lottery ticket?) So raising this money will allow us to get out and about to a few of the people and get some more stories on tape so that we can get them out to the world.

The campaign can be seen here

Yes my story in its entirety is coming to the channel along with the hundreds of others that I will interview and put them up as well. The stories will come out in the form of Webisodes. Each person’s story will air in its entirety in small segments of about 5 to 10 minutes long in a series with their name as the title.

If you would like to contribute to each webisode you can do that here at Patreon.

Any and all contributions are appreciated and honestly if you can’t give money just tweeting the link to the video will be wonderful. I am giving this project my all because it deserves it and it is vital. It is vital to help these former slaves recover, as I have, through getting their stories out and it is vital to prevent, even ONE more child from being enslaved by Scientology.

 
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Where’s the Twin Cities love?

We’re close to nailing down venues and sponsoring groups for our September visits to Cleveland, Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver. But so far, we’ve gotten nowhere with Minneapolis/St. Paul. Are there no active skeptics groups up there? Is no one interested in suggesting a good venue for some Scientology talk? And here we thought the Twin Cities was a fervent hive of freethinking Bunker readers. Hm.

If you know of a group like Center for Inquiry or humanists or skeptics who might like to hold an event with a full room, make sure they get in touch with us, please!

 
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Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
July 29: Paris, Le Bistrot Landais, 19:00 (with Jonny Jacobsen)

August 4: London, Conway Hall, 19:30, (with John Sweeney)

August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland

Sept 28: Seattle

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

 
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  • Lady Squash

    Awesome video Nora!!! I was in thirty four years and kinda knew all that, still it was very refreshing to hear you lay it out like that. Thank you!

  • You guys!!!! SO much love already!!! Thank you so much for the tweets and shares and video watches! I am feeling it!! XOXO

    • Jimmy3

      Do you follow the NBA? Which team

      • I have rooted for both the Lakers and Warriors my whole life. First game I ever saw on TV was a Lakers/Celtics game. I fell in love with the sport instantly and Magic Johnson. I wanted to BE him. Sadly I didn’t grow into a tall, handsome, insanely talented Basketball Player. But I was pretty good. I grew up in NorCal so the Warriors were my team. Chris Mullen and the crew back in the day! Now of course we have Steph and he is possibly, dare I say it, MORE magical than Magic? Probably. The Lakers broke my heart about 5 years ago when they just made it the Kobe show. He WAS great. But he is just a sad sack now and needed to retire a long time ago. It is no fun watching a ball hog show that goes nowhere. So now just the Warriors. You’re welcome for the super long winded answer to your very short question but clearly I have NOTHING to say about this! ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Jimmy3

          I’m a Cavs fan, but I don’t hate the Warriors. I just hated that Finals series. Our team was wrecked. It wasn’t fair. IT WASNT FAIR. But Steph and the Warriors are damn fun to watch.

          • Steph is a thing of beauty. He really is. So much fun.

            • Jimmy3

              Sorry about the random question, btw, I just asked based on your old handle. I was never in, and I don’t have much to add to the discussion, but I do love when someone leaves Scientology with their sense of humor and their personality intact. Good for you.

            • Basketball or really sports in general are NEVER random. I am as obsessed with them as I am with making the church pay for their crimes. I have MANY interests. Including the 100+ shows I am DVRing. And my kids and the environment . . . .

    • Mockingbird

      Great video. It opens up a subject that really needs serious exploration despite being taboo or comedy fodder.

      • Yeah it is taboo and definitely A TON of fodder. I don’t want to make fun of it but it is hard for it NOT to be funny because it is so ridiculous.

        • Mockingbird

          It is ridiculous, but painful when you go through it.

  • mook

    Excellent article from the Daily Mail about Scientology celebs and disconnection, with a piss poor response from Karin Poo aka Misscavige
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3165933/I-four-children-Hollywood-stars-dead-mentally-s-like-don-t-exist-Father-Walking-Dead-70s-stars-Scientology-brainwashed-family-froze-out.html

    • BosonStark

      Church response: ‘He has had ample opportunities to resolve his personal relationships, but
      has instead used his one-time association with the Church to generate
      publicity.’

      Agents for his children declined to comment.
      ————
      Does the Church prefer people with a two-time association with Scientology?

      Yeah, agents for the children probably didn’t respond to the father either.

    • salin

      Great article, thanks for bringing it here – would have missed it.

  • Draco

    Thanks for the video, Nora. I was also in the Sea Org for a few years, a few years before your time, and also before all the sexual nuttiness really took hold. All that stuff about oral sex, masturbation etc just wasn’t around. In fact, in the late 70s, there really were no rules. The Sea Org 2d rules came into effect in the beginning of ’79. We were not happy. Before that, it was just like the 70s were everywhere else. People slept with whoever they wanted to. Then hubbard said it was “out PR”, but only for Sea Org, not scientologists in general. Now it has degenerated to scilon public can’t even masturbate. Yeah. good luck with that one!
    Keep telling your story, Nora. We are all waiting for your next installment ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      My experience as well, That talk she got about oral sex and not being able to make it to Int Base has got to be a recent Sea Org manifestation. I knew a guy that worked at Int for decades and he married an old girlfriend of mine. I know he got some mean BJ’s from that one.

  • Alice Smith

    Great video, Nora. However, these rules were for Sea Org. For public: no porn, no infidelity, no harmless flirting, no masturbating. But I do know CC staff were taught that it was all an overt!

  • flyonthewall

    I am sort of a seasoned traveler so I’d like to give Tony some advise for traveling in Europe. It would be best to dress like the locals in order to blend in. Most all Europeans wear fanny packs, american flag t-shirts, athletic shorts (shorter the better) and sandals with white socks. It is also considered polite to speak very loudly and slowly to everyone you meet. This makes them feel more at ease. No need to thank me. Have fun Tony!

    • Missionary Kid

      You’ve just tried to make Tony and Ugly American. I believe he’s been there before, and he has more class than to follow your “advice.” ๐Ÿ˜€

      • flyonthewall

        if followed exactly my travel advice tech works 100% of the time. If Tony gets beat up by a Frenchman it’s because he strayed from the standard travel advice tech

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re a funny asshole. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • salin

        I am pretty sure Tony would have picked up on the gag at the Fanny pack. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m sure he would have, too. I’m playing with flyonthewall.

    • Doc M

      That’s very funny and so true. Americans can be the most obnoxious travelers, especially the older ones in tour groups. I’ve spent a lot of time in Europe, The U.K., Central and South America and I’ve been appalled by their behavior.

      • flyonthewall

        yeah, it’s actually very embarrassing to see. smh

  • Lionel Drinkwater

    As the lost tech of Dr. Hubbard recently found by COB informs us, the roots of 2D sexual perversion go back 75,000,000 years to the original pervert himself. The “I’d blow a horse to watch Netflix” implant was diabolically laid in on the wholetrack. Very sinister.

    http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab203/lioneldrinkwater/Xenu.Blew.Horses%20001_zpsikjfunl8.jpg

    • Lionel Drinkwater

      NB: All Scientologists who have ever masturbated are ordered to do the new “GAT II Masturbation Rundown.” This rundown handles the aberrative effects of masturbation and the contagion of aberration associated with this degraded 1.1 form of self-gratification.

  • Ghost of Gon

    1. How do Bunker people define “slave” and “slavery”?
    2. Were housewives in the 1950’s “slaves”?
    3. Are apprentices and interns who work for little or nothing “slaves?
    4. Are parents who have kids do yard work “slaves”?
    5. Is every volunteer in the world a “slave” or is just the disgruntled volunteers?
    6. Does a true “slave” have to be unhappy”?
    7. Who gets to put the label “slave” on a person?…if I do not label myself a “slave” or my working conditions “slavery”, can you call me a “slave” and my working conditions “slavery”?

    • flyonthewall

      Why would the parent who has their kid do chores be considered a slave?

    • Snake Plissken
    • A bird in the chimney

      ..

      • Ghost of Gon

        No, you mad bro?

        • A bird in the chimney

          *u

    • flyonthewall

      Why are you so obsessed with Bunker people? The internet is a big place, if we’re so foolish why not just go someplace else?

      • Ghost of Gon

        I just asked about slaves and slavery. Problem?

        • flyonthewall

          and I just asked why you’re obsessed with this forum

          • Ghost of Gon

            I don’t have a rational answer or any answer for that question. I just am. It won’t last though.

            • flyonthewall

              It’s really not healthy, just sayin

            • Ghost of Gon

              Agreed.

    • Jimmy3

      1. The RPF
      2. Some of them
      3. No.
      4. If the parents have kids to do yard work for them, why would the parents be considered slaves? Ur dum. (yeah, I know you edited the original comment. Ur still dum.)
      5. No.
      6. They might sneak in some rare happiness, but so much happiness is stolen from them. You’re a shitty person for defending this cult.
      7. Have you ever cleaned a toilet with a tooth brush?

      • Ghost of Gon

        You’re a funny fckr, I like you.

        • Jimmy3

          I like you too. Let’s hold hands.

          • A bird in the chimney

            JimmyCubed, I’m afraid I’m here to take you to Ethics don’t worry it won’t last long, maybe YearsCubed.

          • Ghost of Gon

            Let’s not. I don’t like you the same way I like Kate Upton. I like you the way I like Bill Burr. See the difference?

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t like anyone the same way I like Kate Upton.

              Hey, how did that pineapple cake turn out?

      • Mockingbird

        Good luck.

    • Lucille Austero

      8. If I do not label myself a “slave” am I wearing pants?
      9. What about sleeves? Do I have sleeves, or just pants?
      10. Where do the robots fit in here?

    • salin

      I am to recently an addition to the Bunker to claim any voice for how others define ‘slavery’. As it pertains to Scientology’s Sea Org this is what strikes me:

      a) The work demands far surpass most non-managerial (salaried) positions per hours required – far beyond a 40 hour/7day work week – mostly at wages for the hour that harken back to PreDepression (30s not the recent period) era.

      b) The punitive nature of the punishment (RPF), is extreme – and does not include any real sort of due process as would occur in the civilian world (at least in developed nations).

      c) To leave one has to go through extraordinary conditions (either routing out or blowing, as I understand these processes) rather than give a two week notice.

      d) In most volunteer situations – people sign on and volunteer what they can (hours wise) based on their availability, most volunteer situations do not require 80-100+ hours a week (disallowing holding employment). I have volunteered time and worked in organizations that utilize volunteers – they are neither slaves (per described again), and if/when they become disgruntled – they stop volunteering. There are no reprisals or consequences for such a departure.

      To your qs. if not yet answered: and a qualifiction for 2 & 4 only under extreme conditions – mirroring what I describe above as hitting a level of slavery – I do not equate housewives or kids doing chores with slavery.

      2) Situational – certainly their were and are housewives who are made to work exceptionally long hours under duress (threat of a beating, or verbal and financial retribution), but we tend to call that in contemporary terms: domestic abuse.

      3) There is an exchange in apprenticeships and internships – learning a trade, gaining experience, networking in a field, and/or earning college credit. These tend to be for a defined period of time (usually months or a year – certainly not a billion years and ‘future lives’), and have specified duties. There is no RPF – in one warrants “punishment” for a transgression one might be assigned different duties, end the internship/apprenticeship, or in a worse case scenario turned over to the police if it was a criminal offense. In that case the person has access to due process the the court system.

      4) Like #2 situational – and same response: domestic abuse.

      answered #5 above.

      6) strange question – I have yet to hear of such a situation that does not involve duress/coercion (in terms of embracing/being happy to the enslavement. But am willing to read more if you are offering – but in such a conversation one would also need to hear from others in that same condition of enslavement (that is same situation/organization) who gives voice to the unhappy view – if any such voices are documented.

      7) extremely rhetorical – easy fix: I think it is fair to address the conditions – so perhaps externally one can describe another person as working/living in slave-like conditions, even if one doe not externally define another person as a slave. In today’s conversation the person using the term is labeling her life in the Sea Org – which fits, I think, how you are defining this. Indeed those who would be interviewed would presumably be claiming it (given the name of the project.)

      8) There is a whole body of work in political science where it merges economics and with studies of income distribution where the term “wage slavery” and the term goes back to before the civil war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery.

      • Brilliant!

        • salin

          Thank you. While I have your attention: awesome video and project!

      • Pierrot

        That should make him/her reflect for a while! ^^^^^

      • Ghost of Gon

        I am sure you put much quality thought and writing into all that but it too much for me to read.

        • A bird in the chimney

          *tl;dr

        • Missionary Kid

          If you’re going to make a TLDR response, that is another trademark of $cientology trolls. They either dismiss information they are pointed to because they will not look at entheta, or they play like they’re lazy or they question the veracity of the source, because, to them, LRH is Source.

          If you’re going to ask questions, at least research the answers given or respond to them. If not, you will get no respect here.

          • Ghost of Gon

            GFY

            • eloise

              Ask broad questions, get sweeping answers. How’s that for succinct?

            • BeezleBobby

              So lemme get this straight: you posted a list of 8 questions, and are complaining that the replying post was too long? You’ve spent more time explaining why you won’t read it than you would have taken to read it. I’m wondering if you really are looking for answers.

            • Ghost of Gon

              You are right to point that out. I am up to my ears in my own BS at this point over that 8 point question. And I did not fault the poster, I just said I would not read it and appreciated his effort. That was a fact. Form any conclusions you must about that.

            • Missionary Kid

              Your initial response, was GFY, which can mean either Good For You, or Go Fuck Yourself. I choose to believe it is the former. After that, you edited your comment.

              I happen to know a number of the people here in the bunker in real life. Some are very well educated, (PhD.’s and Masters degrees) and some have done a lot of study on any number of subjects that only touch on $cientology peripherally, and others not only have studied $cientology extensively from a secular point of view, but they’ve done it to understand what they went through while in. Others are “evil psyches” as LRH would characterize them. These are not strict categories, and they often overlap.

              It’s true that there’s a lot of off the wall joking and degrading of $cienetology here. I participate in it, but that doesn’t diminish the knowledge that is available here. When I first came here, I made some erroneous assumptions, and I caught some flak about it. I deserved it. I also did a lot of reading on $cientology that added to my contact with LRH’s theories back to the 1950s, when my oldest sister got involved with Dianetics.

              If you’re here to just express opinions, and not go forth and at lest read material recommended, you’re gonna get flak and not any respect. You don’t have to believe the citations of evidence by people who give them to you, but at least be able to discuss them.

              My opinion, backed up by a lot of articles and experiences that other members can cite, as well as personal knowledge of $cientology, is that LRH was a total fraud. He was stuck in the 1930s and 40s, which, while I wasn’t born until 1945, I’m quite familiar with common attitudes held by most Americans at the time.

              $cientology tries to cover up its past by historical revisionism, but there’s too many people who have earlier copies of $cientology and LRH documents or have personal experience in $cientology’s past.

              For example, as discussed earlier today, from contemporary writing about some of the evils of psychiatry that took place in the 1930s, Hubbard was right to cite them. On the other hand, from the 1940s on, a much more humane approach to mental illness was undertaken by both psychologists and psychiatrists. $cientology chooses to ignore advances in any of those fields. It’s at least 70 years behind the times.

              Hubbard didn’t know shit about science, yet $cientologists cite him as an authority on all sorts of scientific topics that are not only wrong, but dangerous. Example: the Purif.

              If you’re too lazy or unwilling to read (maybe you’re Tom Cruise, who has dyslexia or someone who has difficulty in doing it), I suggest you go elsewhere, because you are not engaging in a conversation or communicating, IMO.

              How you, or anyone else here, says things determines the reaction that they get. At least now, you are posting that you have edited your original posts, however, you haven’t indicated where you did it, since some of your edits have been quite extensive.

              There is no need for an immediate reply by you. I suggest you take your time, that way you don’t have to edit what you post so extensively.

              If you aren’t willing to read, (after all, $cientologists say, “read a book”), then goodbye.

            • Ghost of Gon

              I meant the latter and when I saw it in print and realized I did not want to express that and so I edited it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you. I can be an asshole, but I’m usually a fairly civil one. ๐Ÿ™‚ I’m glad I assumed right.

        • salin

          I did put a lot of thought into your questions. Still made some typos – so clearly not as much quality in the writing as the thing. I was taking your questions seriously – rather than as rhetorical gamesmanship. Can’t you at the least save it for later when you have the time to read it? I would be interesting in engaging in your ideas. An actual exchange rather than snark.

          It doesn’t have to happen now – write me back tomorrow – I’ll be off line most of tomorrow and the next day – but the notification feature would let each of us know when the olther responds.

          Be a sport.

          • Ghost of Gon

            I have a counter offer. write me shorter more succinct replies. And I do appreciate the consideration you give me here in this situation.

            • salin

              Do one rhetorical question at a time in a post I will write a shorter response. That was 8 questions. And the first one asked for definitions.

              Sadly (in this context) I am an academician’s daughter (even worse an economist), and a trained policy wonk. I think in terms of (and enjoy) complexity, and have years of training in trying to go for clarity of ideas (think – long explanations.)

              I would fail miserably as a journalist.

              That verbose explanation said, I’ll try to work on it. ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Kay

              I guess he wants the Cliff notes version ๐Ÿ™‚

            • salin

              Cliff avoids me ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Ghost of Gon

              Yeh, there is that famous quote from Blaise Pascal ” If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter.”

            • salin

              Lol, unless I am in snark-mode (short jokes), that is true for me.

            • salin

              Thinking about an idea 1x.
              Deciding whether or not it warrants the time to continue with the rest of the process (.25x)
              Formulating a written response – w/explanations 2x.
              Condensing down without losing the meaning of the long explanations 4x.

              Yep Pascal’s quote applies to my thinking to writing process. I just don’t always have the time to do that last step.

            • daytoncapri
        • daytoncapri

          You asked short, but open-ended questions. She gave you fair and open responses to each of your questions.

          The “too much to read” claim is in in stark contrast to your many engagements here.

          You are just here for the lulz, right?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Not sure, no, yes, yes, just the disgruntled ones, no-but maybe stupid, not sure, no..

    • daytoncapri

      This is only my opinion: As one “bunker person, (i.e., me) to another (i.e., you), there are no “bunker people” that fit a common-enough definition to be labeled as such.

      If you disagree, I’ll go along with you and say Welcome! Gon! Fellow Bunker person!

      I think you will get interesting and various answers. Many of them quite thoughtful.

      • Ghost of Gon

        I call the people who post in the underground on a regular basis “underground bunker people”

        • Jimmy3

          By that definition, you are an ‘underground bunker person’

          Welcome.

          • Ghost of Gon

            Correct.

            • daytoncapri

              Welcome! Gon! Fellow Bunker person!

        • daytoncapri

          that works

  • Robert Hammond

    Ignore tech > troll tech

    • Ghost of Gon

      You did not use your own tech and did the opposite of ignore, is that lost on you?

      • Jimmy3

        Up voted this because truth. Posting a new comment about the troll is the opposite of ignoring him.

        • flyonthewall

          The opposite of ignoring him would be engaging him. Posting a warning about the troll IMO is different than ignoring him, not opposite.

          • Jimmy3

            You are the opposite of correct.

          • Mockingbird

            It is educational and frees people from the confusion of what to do with a troll – if he acts like an asshole treat him like an asshole. We have completed the asshole rundown and now achieved asshole release. Congratulations. Please write a success story.

            • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

              Success story:

            • Mockingbird

              LOL

            • Ghost of Gon

              “educational and frees people from the confusion of what to do with a troll”

              And people here want that “education” and need to be freed and have their confusion handed for them?

      • Lucille Austero

        f5

        • Mockingbird

          Lucille , I am very happy with my wife , but I love you – platonically. Thank you .

          • Lucille Austero

            Back atcha babe, in a totally friendsy kind of way ๐Ÿ™‚

      • salin

        Been working on a report most of they day – missed all of the commentary. Welcome back, Gon, kudos on choosing a nic that let’s us know “who” we are talking with – that rather helps have some actual conversations – and I appreciate that you are now noting when posts have been edited. Just wanted to add that I appreciate your UB posting adjustments.

        Now I want to try to catch up on reading.

      • Frodis73

        Remember how I told you about the edit feature? I don’t think you are getting the proper way to use it. Instead of deleting all your posts (granted, this is a step up) now you are just editing every single one. There is no need for that…again, unless you’re a troll trying to annoy people.

        • Ghost of Gon

          Thanks for wanting to contribute. I am good.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Now that’s ironic.. Who’d have thought the idea of an adult being guided, steered, prompted and managed would offend you?

      • Missionary Kid

        You have learned. For once, you have posted that what you have put up has been edited. One of the reasons that you have been met with hostility and the suspicion that you are from OSA, or a common troll is that editing or removing posts without saying so (except to correct minor errors) is one of the troll characteristics that I have observed over the last 3 years here in the Bunker.

        • Graham

          Stating that you have edited a post is meaningless if you don’t indicate what’s been edited.

          • Ghost of Gon

            “meaningless” to you? I assume you do not speak for the human race.

            • Graham

              Stating that you have edited a post is meaningless if you don’t indicate what’s been edited

            • Ghost of Gon

              “meaningless” to you? Or to everyone?

            • Missionary Kid

              And, often times, meaningless to me, since I may not have the original. Remember that the internet isn’t as ephemeral as you think, and having multiple versions of a post can be quite confusing to a person who happens to refresh at the wrong time. I keep one window set so that a person’s original post shows up, but I often respond to a post by notification and open up a new tab on another program.

              My notification said that you had posted, “GFY”, but when I replied to your post by notification, your edit showed up.

      • Missionary Kid

        Usually, when one has something more to say, one simply adds another reply.

      • Sid

        EDITED

        I

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        don’t

        EDITED

        understand

        EDITED

        a

        EDITED

        word

        EDITED

        you’re

        EDITED

        saying.

        • Ghost of Gon

          Understanding is not the end all be all of life. A first kiss, sunsets, pizza and an infinite number of things are often wonderful whether understood or not.

    • romanesco
      • Todd Tomorrow

        When I was a kid I thought this was about god”I bet you think this psalm is about you.”

    • Mockingbird

      Really , I think it comes down to manners . Trolls are douches who in their… whatever act like they should not have manners. After a while , fuck em .

      • Robert Hammond

        I appreciate reasoned disagreements and honest questions as well as jokes, snarks and totally off-topic issues from people of all perspectives. But, as you say, the ill-mannered few who sneak in just to insult and run away like babies – I don’t have time for them. I’ve been burned a few times trying to engage in legitimate conversations, only to find them engaging in rabid attacks or deleting their profiles and hiding. Not worth even engaging any more.

        Good news is that it helps expose the lack of abilities and foolishness of many Scientologists. And the fact that they are reading this blog at all means they are already looking at alternative views. It’s also a good excuse to post the secret OT III text again, just in case anyone hasn’t read about Xenu yet.

        • Ghost of Gon

          Do you have an example of an insult that was made you Robert? Even just one?

          • romanesco

            “…an insult that was made you…” WTF does that mean? Oh, that’s right. Using language in the agreed-upon manner and thus making sense would just be succumbing to brainwashing. Next.

            • Ghost of Gon

              TYPO. Corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.

            • romanesco

              Leaving out a word is not a typo. It’s just sloppy writing. But you’ve edited. So we’ve suddenly been brainwahed into a respect for proper English usage, have we? Fine. I guess I can credit myself with that.

              But what about the rest of it? You use the passive voice, indicating you’re referring to any insult ever dealt Robert. I’m sure he’s suffered at least a few in his time, as have we all.

              Also, Robert did not complain about any insult dealt him personally by you or others. He was talking, somewhat obliquely, about you coming in here for no purpose other than to insult people. I’ve seen this repeatedly.

        • Mockingbird

          You summed up a lot of points well. I can disagree with an idea or attack a claim , but I try to make it clear I am against fallacies. Not people for merely having differing claims.

          I have talked to and read about far too many lives ruined by Scientology to have patience for insensitive clods who show no compassion. Some of these people have to bury their kids and hear imbeciles cruelly mock them . No thanks.

        • Sandy

          This guy isn’t a Scientologist. He is just some needy person out there who needs attention – for whatever purpose. I will not feed his twisted need.

          Editted for clarity

    • Observer

      Yep, I’m done. It’s the same old thing over and over, so even with deletes/edits everyone knows what kind of thing the original post said. I’m just collapsing threads now.

  • Robert Hammond
  • Robert Hammond

    Amazing how everybody has access to Scientology’s inner secrets except for Scientologists. Of course, a perennial favorite is the classified OT III text in Hubbard’s own words:

    “The head of the Galactic CONFederation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet – 178 billion on average) by mass implanting..

    He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken – in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there “packaged”.

    His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. “They” are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert.”

    L Ron Hubbard, bigamist, plagiarist, hypnotist, con artists

  • SP Wogsy

    Us girls we are so magical : )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs

    • Yes we are!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I ahhh stammer, I guess I could try it if I can stick a sharp object in his rectum.

      • SP Wogsy

        Todd Manana, I accept you as you are : )

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Anything for the cause!

          • SP Wogsy

            <3!!!!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I don’t know what that means but thanks!

    • Mockingbird

      Well, I have kissed a girl and I liked it. I even married her.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Pffffft!

  • lawgrrl34

    This explains everything. DM seriously needs a BJ. Period. It would fix everything. Volunteers? I figured no.

    • Missionary Kid

      I would volunteer a 6′ shark to give DM a bj.

      • Frodis73

        He does like to scuba…this shouldn’t be *that* hard to arrange. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Missionary Kid

          With my luck, the shark wouldn’t bite. Professional courtesy or biting into a toxic substance, I don’t know.

      • Mockingbird

        A bite job. Chomp , exsanguination.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          The Feral cat next door would eat it. He is mean to me but he’d be dead if I didn’t give him food and water.

    • Kim O’Brien

      does he have a horse ?

  • pluvo

    What IS perverted is how the natural desire to have sex gets crushed in the Sea Org.
    An example of how it messed up the mind and the natural feeling and desire of a young man, is described by Aaron Saxton.

    With all the abortions, divorces and not letting married couples live their togetherness, with all the intruding, the snitching culture and the mistreatment of children, the disconnections and ruining family relations, it is a through and through “1.1 (covert hostile) culture”. And they DARE pointing the finger at others?!?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqzT8ZOD6mc&list=PL1F47836C2BC955FF

    • Kim O’Brien

      I asked Tony about this guy . Does ANYONE know what happened to him ? He haunts me sometimes …like a kid you see wandering the streets on the news after a Tsunami . Can anyone give me some good news about him ?

      • Pierrot

        You are so right! Where is this guy, what he has to say is so valuable and the interviewer is very good. Let the guy speak and then prompt him with the right follow up.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i just want to know if he is ok ….breaks my heart. I am getting emotional in my old age ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Observer

          He posted on ESMB awhile back that he was giving up. It was too much.

          • Kim O’Brien

            WHAAAAAA???? if you make me cry at my desk you are going to have to send me flowers ..and a shrink . Shit

            • Observer

              If you go to SPs r Us in FB, there’s a post by Jane White dated April 5 (it’s been replied to recently so it’s only a few screens down). Someone posted a comment to it with Aaron’s farewell message.

            • Kim O’Brien

              before i do ..you mean like ..farewell ? Like , he is going to kill himself ?

            • Observer

              No, nothing like that. It’s a “why I’m giving up the fight” message.

            • Kim O’Brien

              ok …whew . If he does not want to fight scio anymore …he should not do it . He should just try to be happy . They fucked him up something fierce …he deserves the rest

              just read the post – thanks for the info ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Observer

              You’re welcome

      • Todd Tomorrow

        My friend who was in the Sea Arghh that left after 30+ years just wants to get on with his life. It takes a long time to get this garbage out of your head.

    • Pierrot

      I think that we knew most of it but to hear it from a victim as well as a victimizer put a different slant to the all picture. And he is right Mark Rathbun & Mike Rinder did serve the system and were very much oppressors, they quit when they became victims. Since then though they are a very important part of the fight against Co$, they are making amend and they should be supported in their fight,

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They should be arrested for assault!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    That sure as interesting Nora, thanks. A scale never heard before as a public long ago. I wonder if it was Hubbords or DM’s rules?

  • Dibythesea

    Ok this is a repost because I am a social media dork!
    Had lunch with a bunker member today!
    Please attend Tony’s events! You get to meet people who are as interested as you are in this subject.
    Check out my thoughts!
    http://youtu.be/TdIGGT_VmIQ

    • Eclipse-girl

      you are beautiful

      • Narapoid

        ^^^She is a strikingly beautiful and gracious woman.

    • Vaquera

      We are cocktail-Ing during my next trip south!

      • jazzlover

        cocktail-Ing?

        Is that one of dem dere Scientologistical creations? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Dibythesea

        Vaquera – Definitely! Can’t wait! You are so much fun! I look forward to it!

    • Juicer77

      Hey can I share our photo since you’ve shown your face now?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Haven’t you before? But sure!

      • Dibythesea

        Yes you can share my photo. This is the 4th time I have shown my face! I’m a never-in. They don’t care about me.

        • Dibythesea

          Don’t share Vaquera’ s face. She is not public

    • Narapoid

      It was so nice to meet you Di. I look forward to seeing you again, maybe for Tony’s next book?

      • Dibythesea

        Yes, Tony should write many books in the future! He has been writing about this subject for 20 yrs! We would be stupid to think he doesn’t have enough material to write several books on the subject.
        I can’t wait for the future! It looks bright for everyone but the clams;)
        I look forward to seeing you at the next book tour! #GoTonyOrtega lol!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Hearts back to you Wogsy:)

  • Eclipse-girl

    just got back from a bike ride. It felt good to clear my head.

    Please Click on the heart on top of the comments

    Please click on the heart on the following article
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    Please flag these CL ads
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    • Pierrot

      How many times?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I am looking for 4 more votes

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Most of us have clicked the heart. I go and search for the article on Google. I’m right?

          • Pierrot

            yes

            • Todd Tomorrow

              magnifique, Pierrot

          • Eclipse-girl

            I can be an ass hole.
            I want 200 + recommends on (what I consider) the important Duggan articles.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              But if we google it everyday it everyday that would be better.

            • Eclipse-girl

              i have no idea how the funky tubes wubey thing works.

              I just want each of the main Duggan article to hit 200 recommends.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              The more someone searches the higher it stays in google. The heart doesn’t do anything. Google, Bob Duggan. Click on both of Tony’s articles. It stays at the top. Just a suggestion.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              you’re never an asshole! And you do good things. I just wonder if we tell people to Google Duggan we’d have better luck. I do it on 3 browsers, my phone.

  • Pierrot

    Ha! Paris, lโ€™amante gรฉnรฉreuse.

    Rendez vous au Cafรฉ Landais demain soir.

    Cโ€™est la tournรฉe de Mark.

    Meantime zap a few of these bait and switch ads: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    • Eclipse-girl

      GMTA except I can’t speak are read French.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      J’y vais. Les petits garรงons qui racontent des mensonges ne vont pas au ciel .

    • Juicer77

      Je veux dรฉsespรฉrรฉment aller
      (Is that grammatically correct? My college French is failing me!)

      • Pierrot

        I would say : Je veux aller dรฉsespรฉrรฉment.
        But then my French is pretty rusty too, I have not used it regularly for nearly 40 years!
        My french is lousy and so is my English. ๐Ÿ™

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    <<— Training Camp starts tomorrow. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      You in for a casual, just-for-fun fantasy league? No money, free to play. Trying to get Bunkerites on board.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I did once and just didn’t have time for it so I don’t commit to any now. Just following my crazy ass team is enough for my blood pressure. LOL

        • Jimmy3

          Lol. Alright. No worries. If anyone wants to play let me know. We have 2 people in the league so far. The teams will be stacked.

      • Juicer77

        I’m in ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Jimmy3

          Alright!! Welcome in. We’ll play on ESPN .com, which is entirely free. Takes almost a minute to make an account there, but you don’t have to do that right now, obviously. The draft will be in early September, preferably right before the season starts. We have to see which date is best for everybody who correctly decides that this is a damn good idea.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Canadian football is better.

            • Jimmy3

              That is the most incorrect statement anyone has ever made here on the Bunker.

            • jazzlover

              Hasn’t Goo Gone made more than a few that were even more incorrect? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Jimmy3

              Yes, but like Goo Gone, I don’t let truth get in the way of a comment.

            • jazzlover

              Good one!

            • EmmaDaoust

              I didn’t say what it was better than.

            • jazzlover

              Can’t ya just be happy that you have the best hockey players in the world? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Always Amazed

        I have never played FF,…would it make me interested in football? Because I enjoy the Stella’s and the nachos right now..football, not so much. I don’t like the Raiders & USC, and that’s all I know. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Juicer77

          Being in a FF league has helped me understand the game better. Not well, but better ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Jimmy3

          That’s a big part of it. It makes games you wouldn’t normally have a rooting interest in much more entertaining. Like if the Raiders are playing the Chargers, I really don’t care who wins. Not at all. But I inevitably end up with one of their crappy running backs every year, so the game is actually fun to watch.

          And yeah, funk the Trojans.

          • Always Amazed

            I will try anything once.

            • Jimmy3

              Alright. So you make 4. We need at least 8, but 10 or 12 would be Ideal. Has to be an even number.

            • romanesco

              Except Scientology, I hope?

            • SP Wogsy

              ^^^^^^^^

            • Always Amazed

              Touche, except scientology. Palm/forehead

    • jazzlover

      That usually means roasting their arses off in hot summer sun while wearing 40 or so pounds of equipment. No wonder these guys wanna get paid ๐Ÿ™‚

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Actually they’re chillin’ in West Virginia at The Greenbrier. ๐Ÿ˜€ The heat is what drove them up there though. Can’t say I blame them, it’s hotter than balls in hell down here right now.

        • Sandy

          Hey – the vikings train right here in good ole’ MN and July & August are always hotter than hell too. 90 yesterday, 85 today.

  • Graham

    Yesterday on BBC radio in the UK there was an item about a new charity offering support to people who are estranged from their family. The case study concerned an Asian woman who had decided to cut herself off from her parents as they had been persistently trying to force her into an arranged marriage and basically rule her whole life. Having cut off from them the consequence is of course that she’s now free to live her own life but is also estranged from her wider family and her community.

    Looks like the charity is still finding its feet and is currently mainly operating in London, Sheffield and Newcastle-on-Tyne. Although Scientology was not mentioned they might be a resource for UK exes, as well as people who have escaped from other high-demand groups. Might also be worth a look if you live outside the UK, to see if there’s anything there which might be worth replicating? http://standalone.org.uk/about/

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Remember folks if you want out just tell them you are gay. No pesky routing forms and don’t pay them a cent. The world can be your oyster and you don’t even have to be Gay!

      • Todd Tomorrow
      • Immmmmm that is the OPPOSITE of what happened to me. Yeah. Definitely not that simple. If you haven’t started anything, like a course or being on staff, yes that MIGHT work. Maybe. But they would try to “handle” you, But if you are in the Sea Org you will just get RPFed. Trust me. Been there Done that!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          My best friend who was in for over 30 years did it and instant, Sp. Gone in hours. Sorry that it didn’t work for you!

          • SP Wogsy

            Todd, did he route out or was he kicked out?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              kicked out that day.

            • SP Wogsy

              No paperwork, no nothing?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Nada, just slipped out the back with his stuff. I’ll wait until he tells his story. Because he’s become a great friend.

            • SP Wogsy

              …interesting. Glad he’s out.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Me, too!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              After he said he was gay.

            • SP Wogsy

              Gotcha, to answer your above question, last I heard they do not allow gay people
              in the sea org ( as of 2013.). That is what I was told. Nora said her situation happened in 2000, so maybe they changed the rules. The auditor that I was aware of that was gay was on staff. Everyone knew he was gay, but they didn’t talk about it, however he was not a sea org member.

          • When was this?
            Just curious.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Two years ago. But I’d rather he tell the story, but he was elated no routing forms..

            • Understood. I would love to talk with him. I can be reached at 1ragingbuddha@gmail.com But makes sense that it was recently. My whole thing happened in 2000. I imagine they don’t want to have ANYTHING to do with Gay people now. Too messy.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks he is rebuilding his life but posted here awhile ago. Now I think he wants to forget it but i’ll ask him. Sorry about the mystery but i would rather he told it if he wants to.

            • Juicer77

              So glad he is free and hopefully happy. Please give him my best wishes.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I will. Funny my first computer friend we talk everyday, great person.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          They let back in SO gay people?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          So, they let gay people back in the Sea Arghh, I don’t understand. So sorry you had to be in the RPF;awful!

          • Well not so much. Well they did. They didn’t let me back it. I escaped the RPF in fantastic fashion. But most “handle” themselves to change. The girl I went “Out2D” with is still in the Sea Org. She graduated. She’s married.

      • It only works if you tell them you have suicidal thoughts.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Ok, Gay suicidal thoughts.

  • Missionary Kid

    For those of you interested in finding where there’s another other large itaglio carved in the earth with the circles and diamonds to denote a spot so LRH’s crap can be found future, you can find it on Google Earth at 35ยฐ31’27.53″N 104ยฐ34’18.82″W at an altitude of 5500′ above sea level. The underground bunker, IIRC, is located at 35ยฐ30’57.38″N 104ยฐ34’33.75″W at an altitude of about 5750′ which is about 6 tenths of a mile southwest of the symbol, along a road that eventually leads to the airport, which is listed as NM53 http://www.airnav.com/airport/NM53 “San Miguel Ranch” It has a single runway, which is over a mile long, at 5600′ long by 100′ wide, and at an altitude of 6300′ above sea level.

    The owner is listed as Privately-owned, by SAN MIGUEL RANCH, PO BOX 2534, LAS VEGAS, NM 87701
    Airport manager is JANE MCNAIRN, 419 N. LARCHMONT BLVD #86, LOS ANGELES, CA 90004

    I didn’t include phone numbers on purpose.

    Under Additional Remarks, it says, “- OWNER DESIRES ARPT NOT BE CHARTED””
    This airport is about 34 miles east of Las Vegas New Mexico, on a true corse course of 107 degrees.
    There is one building on the apron next to the north end of the runway, possibly a hangar.

    In the Google Earth picture, there is a parking lot that has some trailers parked on it.

  • Tracsar

    Tony,
    Maybe you’ve tried this already, but isn’t the Minneapolis area where PZ Myers is? If he can’t provide a venue he would know someone who could.. apologies if someone already mentioned it.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “isn’t the Minneapolis area where PZ Myers is? If he can’t provide a venue…”

      Answered your own question.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • EmmaDaoust

      This one should be banned. Makes me laugh every time. F5
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LszpHvw_0oE

      • jazzlover

        Agreed. I also think the whole Rock of Ages pic should be hidden in one of those storage bunkers we were discussing yesterday ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Dibythesea posted her vid in the previous blog post. I think it deserves to be reposted here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTZBvjfRNY

    • jazzlover

      Thanks! I hadn’t seen that before. I agree that she does convey a very worthy sentiment ๐Ÿ™‚ Making friends, talking about this and coming up with ideas together — all will count big time. Many heads are better than one, as they say.

      • Dibythesea

        Thank you jazzlover! I really am enjoying meeting people from the bunker!
        I just want the ex-scientologists to know that we support you! It’s not watching a train wreck.
        It’s support!

        • jazzlover

          You’re very welcome, and thank you for that!

    • TexasBroad

      I loved the video. I loved the sentiment. I loved lunch! Had a great time when Tony came to Houston and making a new friend was such a bonus!

      • Vaquera

        The three of us are def hooking up on my next visit, which should be before Xmas.

    • Dibythesea

      Did not reply correctly. Sry! Had beer with sushi today.
      “Dodo, coming from you that is a huge complement!
      Thank you”

  • Robert Hammond

    In celebration of Tony in Paris, here is a clip from one of my favorite French films, Amelie: (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aip3836VtZ0

    • Robert Hammond

      Like The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, this Garden Gnome wants to see the world (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LuUM4z9l0M

    • Juicer77

      I love this movie ๐Ÿ™‚ If anyone hasn’t seen it, please do. It’s funny and has a cute little mystery running through it.

  • It’s about 12am in Paris. Does it mean new post is coming around 1am here?

    • Geeze Dodo!!! Are you bored of me already?;)

      • Not at all, about to watch your vid. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Vaquera

        Nora, your font of entertainment in the Toronto hotel bar kept me up way past my bedtime…and I’d do it again and again. You, Jamie, Gerry, Jonny and Spike had me in fascinated stitches.

        • Those were seriously good times. We shoulda had cameras rolling then. That shit was GOLD!

          • Vaquera

            Wish I could vote your comment 100x. The only dox I have from that particular night is a photo of me in Jamie’s hat and this stellar shot…f5
            Damn. It’s sideways. Sorry.

            • Vaquera

              Flip attempt. It worked!

  • Ralph Hunter

    A much older man marrying a adolescent girl is what used to be called child brides. No it’s not exactly pedophilia, but it is close, and it’s pervy, creepy and wrong. It’s taking advantage of someone before they are able to grow into the person they could be. It’s domination and control. Required by the inadequate older spouse. Girls aren’t “maturing earlier now’. This is just a function of pressures put on them by society, men’s society. There is no evolutionary imperative toward these type of marriages. I doubt the claim that more girls are growing up without adequate fathering, is that an assumption, common sense or data? And that even if they are there is no natural and obvious progression toward marrying much older men. That’s just dirty old cavemen making excuses for wrong behavior. There was an inverview done by Barbara Walters recently with Mary Kay Letourno and her husband, her much younger former middle school student. he is filled with regret and depression, she leers at him like….fresh meat. Her victim. It’s unbelievable how under her control he is. He couldn’t answer a question without looking at her. It’s online and worth a look since the discussion has approached this subject. Marriages like this go on to create mini family cults. Where the father is a dominant cult leader and all the members are pawns

    • Kay

      I’m going to respectfully disagree with you a bit here. If the girl is underage, in my definition that IS pedophilia, regardless of parental consent. (hence the term “child brides”, which when you think of it, is a very creepy term)

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I think Ralph was talking about the definition of paedophilia (which I believe is generally age 11 years or younger). Sexual attraction to pubescent teens (approx. 11-14 according to Wikipedia) is known as hebephilia. Ephebophilia = approx. 15โ€“19.

        • Frodis73

          Jinx! Lol. I didn’t see your reply before I posted mine.

          • Kay

            Yes, I know that is the technical term. However, there is a lot of variation in maturation rates, both physical and emotional, so the age range doesn’t always correlate. The experts do parse it out into categories. However, many older adult offenders, particularly when molesting young boys, start when the boy is pre-pubescent, and continue victimizing them through their adolescence, so they go through all of the age groups, sometimes into their 20’s. It’s a complicated and disturbing issue. Part of the problem also is that the victim often emotionally arrests at the age at which they were first offended against…hence they are emotionally still at the age of say 11 or 12 even though they are 16 or 17. Hence, even though I know the technical terms, I still have a tendency to call them all child molesters.(perhaps I shouldn’t have used the term “pedophile”…however in dealing with this survivors, that’s how I still feel about the whole thing. )

            • Frodis73

              I agree with how you feel about the whole thing too btw. Bottom line, if you can’t consent (for whatever the reason-age, drunk, etc.) it’s RAPE!

            • Kay

              YES it is…..totally. BTW I tried e-mailing you a few weeks ago (about the fertility thing…I believe that was you) but it didn’t go. ๐Ÿ™ If it wasn’t you, disregard.

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, that was probably me. I’m at gmail.com with my bunker name (frodis73). I don’t want to put it all together as one because bots will pick it up.

        • Kay

          He probably was. It is a bit of a hot button subject with me because I have had to listen to graphic stories from religious cult survivor “child brides” as a nurse. To me, any old freak who is cruising to hook up with anyone 20 to 30 years younger than they are who is a minor, even if it is a 15 year old as opposed to an 11 year old, is a predator, no matter the child or adolescent’s age. Your terms are technically correct, I appreciate that. The latest research shows that the final brain change into adulthood is around 27 years old….way older than even a high school kid. I find that interesting.

          • Kay

            Of course my brain didn’t change until I was about 35 I think….late bloomer.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            27! That’s fascinating.

            Those poor girls, Kay. I’m so sorry to hear that ๐Ÿ™

            • Kay

              Yeah, it was sooo sad and so disturbing. I get sort of enraged whenever anyone brings the topic up of older geezer men who marry underage girls, it makes me absolutely nuts.

    • Frodis73

      Technically it’s called ephebophilia. Not that it makes it any less wrong or illegal, etc.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

  • flyonthewall

    PEOPLE OF FRANCE – YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR! TONY ORTEGA COMES IN PEACE!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPVrFIP0CMs

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Wow, Nora is a powerhouse of charisma, isn’t she? And fearless. I wish her all the luck in the world with Chick Flick Productions (great name) and will support her all the way.

    Ha, I’ve only just noticed the icepick hiding covertly behind 1.1’s back just waiting for the moment that all gay men, women and children will go on a murderous rampage. Not good, old-fashioned open-handed murder like wot decent people commit, of course, but furtive, sneaky murder. Hence the cloaked pick (not unlike the cloaked prick who designed the tone scale, in fact).

    Just look how savage Nora looks. And how about Paul Haggis’s daughters? Homicidal maniacs. John Travolta; crazed butcher with a dodgy rug.

    San Diego Org, the one that supported Prop 8, on the other hand. Fluffy.

    • Thank you for your kind words! Yes all gays are ready to drop kick and kill you at a moments notice.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        You’re wonderful, Nora, and the vlog is going to be spectacular ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      Scientology welcomes all peoples of all colors. Just not the poor peoples or the peoples who likes to have the wrong kind of sex. They’re not a spread your cheeks kind of religion.

      • flyonthewall

        unless you have some money hidden b/w your cheeks, then you better spread ’em right quick

      • A bird in the chimney

        It’s why no one in the Sea Org smiles.

        • Jimmy3

          It’s hard to smile when you’re cleaning a bathroom with a toothbrush. Unless, of course, someone has written something really funny on the stall.

          • A bird in the chimney

            There’s always a silver lining. If you scrub hard enough.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Fearless, indeed. Nora, girl, I’m going to bedazzle my dagger in your honor. Keep on shouting it from the rooftops, sister friend. I hope my small contribution to your video account helps. Looking forward to part 2…

      Also, can we all talk about those dame tone scale dustbunnies some time? My gods, those things are ridiculous. They look like something out of a Schoolhouse Rock cartoon. Who could ever take them seriously?!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Dustbunnies ๐Ÿ˜€

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          They’re just so GOOFY! I’d love to know how they came about.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Pinks and greys…..and rum.

    • Doc M

      Prop 8, it passed but they lost…ha ha ha

  • Sid

    I see Nora’s work having a great impact in this fight. She speaks and writes in such a clear and interesting manner.

  • PappeKak
    • Juicer77

      It was, but my favorite part is when the Lyft driver picks her up afterward outside the Co$ building and is quite suspicioius of her! XD

      • PappeKak

        Wonder how many times the clams stiffed him for fare?

        Wary of clams due to clams never under under any circumstances giving tips.

        Yep.

        • PappeKak

          ‘t would be out-exchange, don’t you see?

  • Allie

    Great video by Nora – simple delivery and great sense of humor.
    As a never-in, I’ve always wondered about Scientology’s obsession with sex and all the rules & regulations
    about it. Now I better understand and feel bad for all those trapped in the insanity.

  • beauty for ashes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW1_dUBzJV8
    Apologies if this has been posted already. Its truly cringe worthy. Tom cruise displays tone 40 lip synching! And the limits of his facial expressions from his new Botox.
    BUT absolutely at least watch Jimmy Fallon’s Mick Jagger . As they say on Fashion Queens, he’s giving me life!
    Also just curious if anyone else catches themselves trying to cover their face in embarrassment for TC.

    • flyonthewall

      do you think it was hard for the producers to round up all those clubbed seals to fill the audience?

      • beauty for ashes

        At the end Tom and Jimmy lip synch serenade ” you’ve lost that loving feeling” to a poor girl in the audience.
        I probably would have accidentally pushed my sneaker into Tom’s forehead to get him away. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Edited.

        • Juicer77

          How many times do you think they screened that audience to make sure there were no anti-Co$ protesters? I bet three or four.

        • flyonthewall

          How sweet of him. Especially considering that she is most definitely infested with thousands of BT’s who just can’t help but try to leech onto Big Being Tom and drag him down. Wonder how much auditing he did afterwards to rid himself of that filthy wog’s BTs?

          • beauty for ashes

            Can’t you just see himself feeling his *bigbeingness*? He’s immune!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’d be more worried he suddenly blow charge all over!

    • Juicer77

      His eyes are going to completely disappear soon.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Tom’s first song, “Can’t Feel My Face”, is apposite for a man with a head full of Botox ๐Ÿ˜€

      PS. He’s gross!

      • beauty for ashes

        LOL!!! His face is so gross.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          ARGH!!! The fake laughter and bonhomie from both of them. Puke!

      • Observer

        He is gross, but I thought that before he ever got involved in Scientology.

    • SP Wogsy

      *rolling my eyes*

    • Observer

      I can’t watch. I’ll cringe for days.

      • madame duran

        I watched it so you don’t have to. Let me summarize:
        – (First song) Tom Cruise has the sex charm of an iguana. Make that a frozen, dead iguana (see picture below. Oooh, look…it’s flashing a bit of tongue to appease all the hungry ladies. Alright…I’m getting the barf bag right this second). The Weeknd’s “I Can’t Feel My Face”. Song choice was meant as a sly joke, I think. I hope.
        – (Second song) Fallon shows Tom what having a soul and a sense of humour is like. A refreshing break. Rolling Stone’s “Undercover”.
        – (Third song) Cruise gets more lively for his lipsynching of Meatloaf’s “Paradise By The Dashboard Light”…and by lively, I mean more insane looking. It’s all in the eyes.
        – (Fourth song) Duet effort for “You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling” by The Isley Brothers. That tune along with the Mission Impossible theme and Bob Seger’s “Old Time Rock and Roll” are so damn overplayed whenever Cruise shows up anywhere. My condolences to the female audience member that was “serenaded” and had her hand gripped by the grinning Deathmaster.
        – The cringe factor not only comes from seeing Cruise’s Botoxed face and his inability to lose the restraint of self-consciousness (it’s comedy, Tom. You’re supposed to be funny and act silly), but seeing all the kiss-assery coming from everyone else. I imagine each audience member was asked “Have you watched “Going Clear”?” as a condition for admittance.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        God me either!

    • Juicer77

      Jimmy’s already rockin’ his back-to-school haircut. I don’t like it.

    • aquaclara

      I caught it live last night, and was cringing. I love Jimmy, though. He’s got far more talent than TC.

      • beauty for ashes

        Ikr? Watching Jimmy was so good it was like brain bleach. And he pretends he’s not awesome!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      And why with Tom’s perma-pained expression and constant running of hands through hair? Is that your “sexy”, sleaze ball?

    • Vaquera

      Too afraid to watch it for fear that a song I might like will be forever ruined by the visual.

      • beauty for ashes

        I took one for the team and watched the whole thing. I cannot however listen to dead Lron’s voice anymore. Blech!

        • Vaquera

          Your sacrifice is appreciated.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I had to stop when he took the young woman’s hand. My cringes were maxed out.

          • beauty for ashes

            That’s exactly when I noticed I had been covering my face.

    • Mark

      “I Can’t Feel My Face”? That’d be the Botox, then…

      • beauty for ashes

        Oh the delicious irony!!!!! He seems unable to lift and raise his eyebrows in the middle, but you can see that he’s trying.

        • Mark

          Sorry Mr. Cruiseโ€”but one of your overly-attentive PR team jogged me when I was doing your frown-lines.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Meatloaf? More like Offal.

    • Ardent

      I tried to watch, but I hate that bastard like poison. Why would Jimmy Fallon, or any other reputable and highly-placed and powerful host want this festering pile of scabs in the same studio?

      • beauty for ashes

        Well I think of it, as we all have to do things for our job we don’t want to. But I don’t know anything about how that works.

      • Judith Sylvester

        Does he have a choice? Don’t know, maybe the network chooses the guests.

      • ze moo

        Because his boss told him to. Watch {or don’t} TC on the Daily Show tonight. He’ll get the same smarmy ‘you do your own stunts’ and ‘you can hold your breathe for 6 minutes’ crap. Paramount will crush anyone who costs them a single admission.

        So far, I don’t see TC on Jimmy Kimmel or the Late Show. What, no View? Will all the ladies swoon over his testosterone?

        MI 5 comes out Friday, he doesn’t have much time but then the only ‘competition’ I see is Pixels and the critics hate that.

      • Frodis73

        If I had a talk show, I would refuse. If they forced me, I’d threaten to ask the questions nobody wants asked. If that didn’t work, I’d call in sick that day. At least I’d like to hope that is how i would handle it.

        • Ardent

          You got it. Personally, I’d show up, play nice for 3 minutes then ask the jackass questions that would either pin him to his seat, scared of looking like a control freak, or dashing out in a snit. Both would be cool.

    • Observer

      Why does Tom have Bieber hair?

      • Judith Sylvester

        He always sometimes does. It’s not attractive.

      • Sherbet

        Even Bieber no longer has Bieber hair.

      • Cupcakes for Breakfast

        Honestly, I think it’s to cover surgical scars from a little nip, tuck, tighten and stretch! And to distract from the chipmunk cheeks with the mop hair.

    • Kay

      Actually, I hate to say this but I thought he did pretty well on the first song…..after that it was fairly cringe-worthy. I don’t go to TC movies because of the CoS connection, but I do remember that he did that “Rock of Love” thing (which I found extremely weird) so maybe he was attempting to channel that. Well, it didn’t work. The girl they were singing to was looking at Kimmel more than Cruise….interesting.

      • A bird in the chimney

        Interestingly — and not surprisingly — the character* he played in that movie was different in the musical it’s based on. His behavior and choices are much less sympathetic and the character comes across as a real douchecanoe. TC took the role with the understanding the character would be changed to be more likable. It didn’t help much. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        (*Stacee Jaxx in Rock of Ages)

        • Frodis73

          I haven’t seen it yet, but thanks for that tidbit. He just doesn’t want to play unlikeable characters because he’s so unlikeable in real life. He’s a true douchecanoe.

          • Sherbet

            I can’t watch it. The man makes me retch.

            • Frodis73

              I was curious, so I checked out a couple of his clips on YT. Yuck. I will not be watching that if/when it shows up on tv. Seeing him try to act like a sex god rock star is just gross.

    • ze moo

      TC hid behind the microphone for most of the ‘concert’. When the camera cut to a ceiling cam, you could see TC miss some words. Big deal, he memorized perhaps 3 minutes of song and lip sync it. My dog can do the same. And even drag his butt across the rug while doing it.

      • EmmaDaoust

        I’d pay to see that.
        omg I’ve turned into Jimmy3

        • Sherbet

          Jimmy3.1

    • PlanetJ

      LOL! The “I can’t feel my face” song was in the sisters response video to the Elfmans the other day..Wonder if any of the “Jimmy Fallon Show” staffers watched the response video? That would be hilarious!

    • Eclipse-girl

      who is taller?

    • Frodis73

      I’m going in to watch…oh gawd, it’s 10 minutes long. Xenu help me.
      Ewww. Gross. He’s trying too hard to be normal and sexy. ICK. Fallon should kick his ass-he can actually sing and knows music.
      Fallon is the only thing that is worth watching. I know I am not objective, but TC is just trying too hard. His face doesn’t move either. After all that, I can still see why ppl are drawn to him, he is charismatic when he wants to be. He’s still a sick psychopath in my eyes though.
      OH wait! So he didn’t even do a sit down interview? Is this all they did? Great strategy to avoid talking about Going Clear.

      • Eclipse-girl

        It was all to avoid asking
        “where’s Shelley?”

    • Eclipse-girl

      After I saw all of it.
      It so well rehearsed.

      I want Tony O to question Tom Cruise

    • EmmaDaoust

      Undercover of the Night! Love that song. Love Jimmy.

  • Juicer77

    Good clear explanation, Nora. It’s hard to wrap a never-in mind around this sexual heirarchy, but I guess it’s not worse than the completely whacked-out tone scale! Just wondering if you may collaborate with Aaron Smith Levin again the in future on some videos? I was sorry to hear it wouldn’t be a team effort, but sometimes logistics and other factors prevent it.

    • Aaron and I are still friends. We didn’t get divorced or anything. We are just at opposite ends of the US. But yes I am sure all three of us will be in a video together. That might be TOO much awesomeness in one space though. Could blow a hole in space time or something. We will have to take full precautions.

      • Juicer77

        We don’t want to start anything that will bring about the need for those titanium containers!! XD

        • Oh GOD no. Definitely not!

          • Juicer77

            unless we mix margaritas in them, or a big-@ss bowl of salsa ๐Ÿ™‚

            • beauty for ashes

              They do seem awfully handy! I have one of those four shelf wire thingies, and they would be great for storage.
              *wait*
              How awesome is it gonna be when CO$ has its going out of business sale? OOOOOh!

      • Vaquera

        Never too much awesomeness where SPs are concerned. Do It!!

  • Watched Nora’s video. It wasn’t as bad in non-sea org orgs, but pretty close. Thanks, Nora. You are hot, btw.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    this is a bit OT, but applies generally to LRH and scientology, so I had to share it:

    “Self-proclaimed experts more vulnerable to the illusion of knowledge

    New research reveals that the more people think they know about a topic in general, the more likely they are to allege knowledge of completely made-up information and false facts, a phenomenon known as “overclaiming.” The findings are published inPsychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.”

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150720092303.htm

    Sure sounds like a certain cult founder I heard about!

    • B4you

      Overclamping *pfrrrff*

  • aquaclara

    Nora, you have a gift for this. Thanks so much for sharing this one. I was more than a bit stunned by this one.

    • Observer

      Imagine what it would be like if Nora and Chris Shelton were to collaborate on something …

      • Sid

        Oohh,, what a great idea.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I would upvote that so hard!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ooh! That would be more special than Christmas. Putting another $10 in the cookie jar for that dream to come true.

      • Narapoid

        Holy cow! Captain Miscavige might spill his single-malt when he hears that.

      • OOkpik

        And perhaps an interview with Jeffery Augustine. Yum!

      • aquaclara

        That is a total win. They could take iron the road- we’d all be there!
        And I loved Nick and Aaron’s vids. They just pull us in. I am so proud of them all!

    • Judith Sylvester

      I agree. Nora, you made this real for me.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    In honor of the Miss Lovely Tour hitting Paris…An obvious choice, but classic and triumphant all the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtGfyruroU

    • SP Wogsy

      Love the Avi : )

      • Eclipse-girl

        And I love Edith.
        The avi is great too.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Oh yes, Edith is the business. Pardon…I mean, le bizness

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Thx! Couldn’t quite fit in the bedazzled dagger, though, dagnabbit.

  • Dibythesea

    Dodo, coming from you that is a huge complement!
    Thank you

  • Tony, stay away from French concerts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMfBPLogHvE

    • flyonthewall

      Hey those backup singers are wearing head coverings, better throw them out. Oh nevermind, it’s Catholic headgear so it’s fine

    • B4you

      effing great song!

    • HillieOnTheBeach
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That is a production! The staging and lighting are great. I almost had a seizure with all of the flashing.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’ve listened to a few more songs from that concert. Buying a CD tonight! Yeah, I’m old school, I still buy the disc. There’s something about having the thing and flipping through the liner notes, you know? Someones blood, sweat and tears went into making a great album, the least I can do is buy the thing.

      • Frodis73

        I miss albums for the same reasons. I loved reading the liner notes. Hated buying an album only to find *nothing*on the inside; nothing not even a photo-lol.
        I have this art project type idea in my head that I would love to execute. It would involve taking the covers and inside art work, etc from my fav bands and turning it into a large collage type thingy.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          It was a real bummer to go from LPs down to cassettes and CDs with their tiny artwork. I’m a dork, so I always have to see who played on an album and where it was recorded. I get especially jazzed up when there are photos from in the studio!

          • Frodis73

            Lol, I did too! I grew up around studios so I loved checking that stuff out. We are untied in our geekdom.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Gymnastics too! You in studios? Now I need to know. Check ur email dahlink.

  • nottrue

    Emily and Tom..no way. That was made up bull..She put this picture up on her facebook of her real boyfriend….

    • Eclipse-girl

      thank you
      You know we are on the fringes of the internet

    • Observer

      He’s much better-looking than Tom.

    • Jimmy3

      Am I the only one who thought Jamie Foxx was black?

      • April

        You’re more than a little confused, Jimmy! ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Vaquera

    Nora – I don’t think I’ve shared this photo with you, Chris, Tory or Jim….sharing stories over lunch in Toronto. (I was using sneaky camera tech.)

    • Dibythesea

      So jelly! Vaquera you are definitely the best bunker representative on this 2015 extravaganza!

      • Sherbet

        Some call it “representative.” Others call it “stalker.” Jeez, Vaquera, can you leave a seat for someone else? ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Vaquera

          Honey, the hopes of meeting you is a major draw.

          • Sherbet

            Aw…less than a month away now.

            • Vaquera

              I’m so excited!!!
              (Please note that I’ve shown great restraint and NOT linked the Pointer Sisiters.)

            • Sherbet

              No, but you implanted the earworm.

            • Vaquera

              Want me to come up with something even more insidious to flushed it out?
              Please say no, because the other option has already infested my thoughts.

            • Sherbet

              NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

            • Vaquera

              Respect.

            • Sherbet

              Whew…sing it, Sister Re.

            • Vaquera

              !!! I meant I respect you and will, therefore, not give you another ear worm.

            • Sherbet

              LOL

            • Always Amazed
            • PlanetJ

              She is FABULOUS! ๐Ÿ˜€ Love it!!!

            • April

              That girl’s got some serious sass. I love it.

            • Frodis73

              That little one has tons of stage presence…I adore her. I hope she keeps dancing.

            • aquaclara

              It’s coming. We are counting on you! And oh, please reserve a primo seat for Howdy. God, he would have relished this moment. He would have spotted the trolls even there. I miss him. He was here every day, for all of us.

              I’m sorry I never got to meet him in person.

        • Dibythesea

          I resemble that remark;) lol

      • Vaquera

        We all do our part. I just happen to be geographically desirable. Yeah, Tony and Paulette are a great team/show, but anymore, it’s about meeting as many Bunker peeps as I can during this road show.

        • Dibythesea

          Exactly! I met ” I like Ham”. What a great name!
          Meeting so many of you has been awesome!

      • Vaquera

        BlueSkies was a star photog. Did she post lots of pics from Toronto?

        • Dibythesea

          Not sure. Sometimes I try and get a life. You know not spend every minute on Tony’s blog;) super hard to do

          • Vaquera

            How dare you!

            • Dibythesea

              Vaquera you make me laugh! Can’t wait to get together again!

            • Vaquera

              I’m already anticipating the hangover.

            • Dibythesea

              I look forward to it! Water and aspirin will help us

            • Dibythesea

              This might be a repost.
              Vaquera you make me laugh! Can’t wait to get together again

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      OSA called. They’ve got a job opening for you.

      • Vaquera

        Double secret agent, reporting for duty.

  • Kay

    Paris….sigh. (jealous here)

  • Kay
  • Observer

    You can’t tell me you don’t see it …

    F5

    • Sherbet

      Oh, we see it, all right, Observer. And I also see you’ve managed to picture two twits in one post.

      • Observer

        Bieber has somewhat more of an excuse. Cruise is old enough to know better.

      • Kay

        Does that count as “twittering”? OK, that was a sick joke.

    • Mark

      At last! an even more inappropriate ‘do than that sported by ‘Professor’ Brian bloody Cox, who spends more time clogging up BBC science docs saying “Isn’t the Universe wonderful?” in his whiny bloody voice, than doing his proper bloody job at CERN:

      • EmmaDaoust

        Canadian football is better than Bieber.

        • Sherbet

          What isn’t?

      • Frodis73

        How funny you mention that guy! I watched him on a “Could Dr Who be real” type show and he annoyed the heck out of me. There is just something funny/off about him that bothered me. He’s no NDT that’s for sure!

        • Mark

          I just wish he’d shut up talking know-it-all about atheism when he obviously knows bugger-all about philosophy or theology.

          • Frodis73

            Lol! Being in the states, I’m not all that familiar with him. I’ll have to see if there are any more specials with him on netflix or youtube.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Mark, you’ve had it, son! Coxie is my secret love interest ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Frodis73

          D’oh! Forgive me for disparaging your love interest!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            (and secret boyfriend) ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Frodis73

              That’s okay, I have lots of those. David Duchovny, David Tennant…the list is quite long!

            • Sherbet

              Someday you might even let the boyfriends in on the secret.

            • Frodis73

              Lol! I’d probably die of embarrassment!

        • Mark

          De gustibus… or you don’t look at the fireplace when you’re poking the fire ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Mark, my family won the pub quiz tonight by a spacious 3 points. 50 quid bar tab, thank you very much! My knowledge of Luther Vandross and UB40 probably won the day ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Sherbet

              Did you win a gilded plastic scientology bowling trophy?

            • Juicer77

              Remind me to look you up next time I’m in the UK. We could get in SO MUCH trouble together! XD

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Sooooo, you like Cox? How would have known?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Good grief, man! ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Rasha

            BUNKER TIME OUT

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Whaaaaaa? Just an innocent question. (F5)

            • Rasha

              SORRY, BUSTER! WON’T WOR— won’t….ummm.. won’t… No! Not that easy! Not gonna…. not…… rrrrggggGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Applied standardly, it works every time. Hur hur.

            • Rasha

              Foiled by Puppeh Tech…. AGAIN!!!

            • Dibythesea

              I love puppies L Wrong! Sweet

      • Rasha
      • As my best friend would say, “Bitter, party of one. Bitter, party of one, your table is ready . . .”

        • Mark

          As long as it’s a pint of best bitter…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I will never not see it now. Ha!

    • beauty for ashes

      Its so bad I want to put a hoodie over his head. I don’t know why, it would just look more appropriate with his face.

  • Dibythesea

    Speaking of sex…
    Relax clams, it’s a natural need. Not a crime!
    http://youtu.be/xEOE4RFTPBY

    • Beautiful.

      • Dibythesea

        Such a sexy tune! Glad you enjoyed it Dodo

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Thanks to Karen for these scans which are amazing!

    Taken from the 1992 “High Winds” magazine (now extant), Miscavige’s actual predictions for how Scientology would look by the time its 50th anniversary rolls around. So…by 2017, behold your Scientology. 2 years can make all the difference.

    Scan 1 – the predictions
    Scan 2 – magazine front cover

    F5/Refresh

    • Jimmy3

      He didn’t postulate hard enough. He knows a PTS

      • Observer

        Well, that’s the problem–he thought Ron said “pustulate”

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        His postulate is never hard enough. I heard that from Lou.

    • Observer

      They’d better get cracking!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        DOUBTERS!

        • Observer

          I’m not a doubter. I’m a natterer.

          • Eclipse-girl

            please , can we natter together?

            • Observer

              The more the merrier!

    • Mark

      The naval outfitter saw straight through him: that hat’s several sizes too large ๐Ÿ™‚

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

    • Frodis73

      I’m sure if DM just works real hard he can make that happen. Bwaaa!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I have faith ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Sherbet

        Don’t worry. DM’s scientolomath will make all predictions come true. Or even exceed expectations. Yeah, that’s what he’ll go with.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Phew, Sherb, I thought you were disparaging Miscavige, but you came good in the end!

          • Sherbet

            Figures lie, and liars figure, also known as scientolomath

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Heh, scientolomath is perfect ๐Ÿ˜€

    • SP Wogsy

      Where is delusion on the tone scale?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Ask Ken.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for posting, Andrea. That is a funny set of predictions. They forgot to predict that over 7 million people would see Going Clear in the first three months of being released on HBO. Oh, and that there were less than 25,000 self-identified Scientology members in America as of 2008.

      See: http://dangerousminds.net/comments/have_you_ever_wondered_how_many_scientologists_there_really_are1

      See also: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/10-million-scientologists-where-are-they/

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Isn’t it down to 30,000 world wide?

        • Robert Hammond

          If they were counting “active” members it might be more like 300 worldwide.

    • cdubb

      In their minds it’s already happened. Straight up and vertical stats. Provable.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      25 year old predictions do have a way of coming home to roost.

      I couldn’t help but feel that one of his comments has come to pass, though. The article begins withe the words. “DONE IS THE KEYNOTE OF THE SEA ORG.” (COB’s caps, not mine.) And after nearly 25 years, I would say that “done” is getting closer to an apt description of the SO and all of Scientology daily.

      Just two years to stick a fork in it…!

      (Refresh)

    • Sid

      Since in Scientology ‘Reality’ is ‘Agreement’, then the fewer Scientologists there are the less dissenters there are and these vast numbers are then real because there is a larger percentage agreeing that they are currently true.

      There, that makes sense doesn’t it?

  • Vaquera

    Tony, are you feeling like a….
    http://youtu.be/jQj6h8KpkiQ

    • Always Amazed

      I always loved the word “unfettered” after this song. Love aisles of aisles

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Kind of reminds me of THDNE. I’m sure she is a Joni fan.

      • aquaclara

        I hope so! She’s still around, just a little busy with real life stuff at the moment. I’ll pass on the message!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Yeah, I’ve emailed her a few times recently.

          • aquaclara

            We do look out for our friends around here….btw, my brother was at the Clearwater library book event and commented on how helpful you were. One day, we will connect the dots! In the meantime, sending you a belated Bunker thank you.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I try to be helpful. I was outside the library very early waiting for a fellow Bunkeroo to arrive that needed help getting inside. Tony arrives with Paulette and Paul and sees me kind of hiding under a tree off to the side(it was HOT and bright out there) and asks if I’m on OSA patrol lurking in the corner. It was funny because I had mentioned the day before at lunch with him that I would stay in the back of the room to watch for anything suspicious.

              I had hoped to meet some of you mid Atlantic folks some time when I was back in Delaware, but it never worked out and now the family home is getting sold and I have no idea if I will even get back up there too often.

            • aquaclara

              Maybe on my next trip back to my family, down south. My brother, a damn Luddite, follows us here from my stories. He was watching, protectively, at the end, too. And when he filled me in, I knew a bit about who was doing what. You did a terrific job.

              Sorry about the sale of your family home up here. But Florida is quite lovely. One day, I hope to be back for good.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Did you get hang with any of the Southern SP ladies last time you were down? Sounds like we need a Bunker dinner next visit.

            • aquaclara

              I have my official trophy! We do need a Bunker dinner next visit… Think fall.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sounds good! Maybe Sid can come along so I’m not the only guy there. Not that I mind….

        • Frodis73

          Please tell her I hope she is well and that I really miss her excellent and insightful posts.

          • aquaclara

            I will! We were exchanging notes just a little while ago. She is such a sweetie.

          • aquaclara

            And how could she resist two such cute twin dogs like Frodis and Woofy Clara? Really!

            • Frodis73

              They do rule!

  • EmmaDaoust
    • beauty for ashes

      OMG could she be any more beautiful? **she says jealously** Singing in French, bald head, and all those collarbones! jeeeez. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Rasha

        Bald can be so gorgeous. See also: Persis Khambatta.

        • beauty for ashes

          I’m a little obsessed. Four of my favorite friends are bald. <3

      • EmmaDaoust

        She’s an amazing musician, composer, singer/songwriter, and a very fun performer. She also does traditional african music.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That was lovely. I’m not familiar with her stuff. Will need to get familiar. Thanks for sharing!

      • EmmaDaoust

        Lots on YouTube.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I think YouTube is my favorite music channel right now.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Isn’t she, though?

  • aegerprimo

    Nora you are my hero! All of the exes who speak out and put their necks on the line are amazing to me. As an ex myself, I have learned so much from your video today, and from other exes who have shown their face and avidly speak out.

    I love your analogy of the tattoo…

    The original tattoo is under there. Unseen. The world now sees what I want. What I created. What I truly am. And I know what is under there. It is still a part of me, but it doesnโ€™t define me.

    Even though it has been over 15 years that I stepped away from $cientology, there are still ways it changed me, not for the better, sitting way below the surface. $cientology is insidious and cruel on so many levels.

    I too have come to discover that I don’t have to regret my bad decision to join a cult, but instead can make the experience a welcome part of me and my life, an experience that will gives me wisdom and the ability to make good decisions now and in the future.

    Thank you for sharing your wisdom with everyone.

    • aquaclara

      What a lovely, poignant post. I forget sometimes that you lived through all this crap. And despite all that, you give back in spades to all the exes and affected families and friends here. Some day, we’ll be toasting the good news at a bar…and the round will be on me.

      • Ruby

        I’d like to be at that bar with you both.

        • aquaclara

          Plenty of room! We might need a few practice rounds. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Scientology Media Productions = SMP. Reverse to get two Internetz.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      How has that been missing from my life all this time?

      • aquaclara

        Try the Buffet version, too. Listening now….so happy it’s summer.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        The entire album is great!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m sorry…was she doing something? Singing? You don’t say!

  • Vaquera

    I don’t remember what Toronto photos I posted in the heat of the moment. Here’s one of Chris, Nora and Steve Cananne being amused by an off-camera Jon Atack, Len Zimberg and Gerry Armstrong.

    • Dibythesea

      You met so many cool people! I really wanted to meet Chris Shelton;( he is so inspiring

      • aquaclara

        And Steve Cananne!

        • Vaquera

          Swoon.

  • Rasha

    Since we’re posting classic, cultural videos for Paris…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUCDhvbQFmU

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Love this!

  • aegerprimo
    • Illinoisian

      ^^^^^^ Love that voice!

    • Robert Eckert

      That’s one of the Piaf songs I can sing. La Vie en Rose is the other.

  • Frodis73

    Since we are dedicating videos in honor of TO being in Paris, here is one from me. Still one of my fav (classic) movies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvglHa_P9BA

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Gene Kelly…le sigh…

      • Frodis73

        Swoon right? I love watching him dance and sing.

        • Rasha

          Singin’ in the Rain is SUCH a great time, too….. “I keeeyyant STEEYAND ‘IM!” Brilliant dancing….

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I can’t even count how many times I’ve seen that movie, and Jean Hagen makes me laugh EVERY. TIME. She is on point.

            • A bird in the chimney

              Jean was amazing. I quote “I keeeyyant STEEYAND ‘IM” so often! ๐Ÿ˜€

              Fun fact: There’s a dub-ception going on in the movie. In several scenes, Debbie Reynolds singing voice was dubbed by Betty Noyes. And Jean was considered to have a better natural “speaking voice,” so she dubbed Debbie dubbing Jeanโ€™s character!

              (refresh: edited for clarity)

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Fascinating, I never knew that…So deliciously ironic, given that that was essentially one of the subplots of the movie!

              Oh, yes, I look for every opportunity to use that quote, too. That and, “Am I dumb or somethin’?”

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Oh…That number Kelly and Cyd Charisse dance in Singing in the Rain? I’m pretty sure that’s what heaven looks like.

          • Frodis73

            I wish I could upvote this more!

    • PlanetJ

      I love this so much..I took dance and taught for a little while too. Tap was my favorite. I miss it.
      Thanks for sharing this. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Frodis73

        I took everything but tap! I wanted too, but I got serious about gymnastics and had to pick one because the gym was a small fortune. I really wish I would have taken a class though. Do you miss teaching?

        • PlanetJ

          Yes,I miss it so much! I had to stop teaching around 12yrs ago,so I could take care of my mother that as dying. (breast cancer) Plus,I now have bad arthritis all over. I danced and also did a lot of tumbling from the time I was 5-32yrs old and it did a number on my joints. I sure miss it..I tried to do a back-handspring a few year ago and nearly broke my neck! lol..it really sucks getting older.

    • Oh I love Gene Kelly and this movie

  • Rasha

    For Dodo….. Cello at its Metallist…. Through Paris in a Sports Car…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0choIP1pwxc

  • Illinoisian

    These kids are talented and were given a chance to get a real education. Stanisล‚aw Moniuszko School of Music Symphony Orchestra in Bielsko Biaล‚a, Poland, winner of Polish Nationwide Music Schools’ Symphonic Orchestras Competition 2013. For Tony:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGAMa9iiQ9o

    • Frodis73

      Wow, these kids are so young and amazingly talented.

      • Illinoisian

        Doncha love the close ups of their faces? Young, talented, and looking very intent and focused. (I’m not a musician . . . but now I want a red trumpet.)

        • Frodis73

          Yes they are adorable and oh so focused. I’m not either, but I have such respect for those that are. It’s not easy to learn unless you’re naturally gifted.

          • Eclipse-girl

            My daughter had something be it talent or good training.
            It broke my heart that she didm;t continue with music

    • Kay

      What a great orchestra !!!!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • Rasha

      Bwahaha!

    • Sid

      Top Gun III — Maverick Commandeers a DC8

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Sid, a great general concept. However, let’s think as bigger beings, The bigger scene is Maverick traveling back in time and commandeering X—‘s entire fleet of new 747 spaceplanes! Thus, Maverick averts Inc II and saves the planet. The grateful masses clamor for Scientology early in human history. Maverick then time travels them forward to the CST vaults and gives them the solar powered record players and stainless steel plates.

        Have your agent call our agent and let’s ink this deal.

        http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/sadhu77/777A-1.png

        • Sid

          I don’t have an agent. Have your agent call my doctor.

          (apologies to Woody Allen)

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            LOL.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Looks like MI5 will be as big an earner as any yet. And this reviewer picks MI to become the American James Bond Franchise, so long sought after by U.S. Moviemakers.

    From Forbes: “Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation is another superb installment of a shockingly consistent action franchise. By turning the series into something of a directorโ€™s sandbox, with each new filmmaker basically making their version of a Mission: Impossible movie, Cruise and company have crafted a long-running franchise where every new installment feels like a wholly fresh motion picture. Hollywood has been looking for the โ€œAmerican James Bondโ€ for decades on end, yet such a concept has been sitting under their noses the whole time. With the flabbergastingly entertaining and unquestionably exciting Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation, Tom Cruise has established his defining action franchise as perhaps the best ongoing spy action franchise around.”

    • Jimmy3

      The American James Bond is Jason Bourne.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Not to this guy. And if Jeremy won’t do another, it may very well end.

        • Jimmy3

          I thought I heard that Matt Damon was coming back. Anyway, I should clarify what I meant, because obviously Bourne and Bond are much different characters. I just mean that they’re equivalent in that Bourne is the most bad assed American spy and Bond is the most bad assed British spy.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Right. It’d be great if Damon returned. Those were 3 really good movies. And Matt is terrific as Bourne.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Yes, but (as I say above) this is about a franchise, not a character. (Not that the two are mutually exclusive, I agree.)

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. I’ve been saying this on the Bunker for a bit now.. MI:5 will do well at the box office because it’s an established popular franchise, and it will kill regardless of how anyone feels about Tom Cruise’s personal life. It’s not even about him. People just like these movies.

        • May_West

          Damon’s back and Tommy Lee Jones has joined the cast.

          http://variety.com/2015/film/news/tommy-lee-jones-bourne-matt-damon-1201505318/

          • MaxSpaceman

            Bravo! That should be a winner.

        • MrsLurksALot

          Well, The one and only Jason Bourne, Matt Damon, is returning to the series so we don’t need Renner anymore. IMO, that film hurt the momentum of the series. Sorry, big Bourne fan here. ๐Ÿ˜‰
          Ed. to add just saw your comment below. Sorry, playing catch up here.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Me too– love the Bourne movies.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The review is about Bond the film franchise, not Bond the agent. Bourne may or may not be the American James Bond, but the films don’t look to have the same clout. Mission Impossible is about the franchise, and TC has a good thing in it. Sean Connery and Roger Moore managed to keep their careers going once they outgrew Bond. Will TC be able to do the same now that he is rather long in the tooth for MI? The consensus seems to be that he most likely will not. And, of course, we are all pretty certain of that here…!

        • Jimmy3

          I’m not a fan of his, and I’m not sitting here defending him as a person. But if they start remaking/rebooting/sequeling some of his old films, people will go see them. And this Mission Impossible will make a lot of money. His career is far from over.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            (But he looks so weird these days…!)

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, but a week from now, people in the Bunker will have to read that MI:5 was #1 at the box office. People should just brace for it.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Oh, shush your pie hole. I mean, if we all postulate hard enough, anything can happen. Right?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Postulates worked for Tinkerbell in the famous live broadcast of Peter Pan in the 1950s, so there’s that.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Hmmm…I’m afraid I’m gonna need the backstory on this…

            • MaxSpaceman

              Peter Pan, Captain Hook, and Tinkerbell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_%281954_musical%29

            • Ella Raitch

              I don’t like this tough love-bed news Jimmy (pouts)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              We won’t need to wait a week. It will be at the top in four days. And then another will be, and another, and another. It’s Summer at the box office, Jake.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I do not ascribe to the notion that his career is over. It has been mortally wounded by his association with and lunatic promotion of Scientology. It is unlikely he will ever be able to command the kind of popularity he once had in the United States. Overseas he is still quite popular, but that is based on a fascination with western movie stars in general. Once the idea filters down that he isn’t as big a deal here, that could change as well.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I don’t know DD, did you see the picture of how many idiots showed up for the premier. I hope you’re correct.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            They premiered in Vienna, a city that doesn’t get many film premieres. And certainly not of the magnitude of this one. Did you see what they did to the State Opera House for the occasion?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              No, but I see your point now. Thx

    • aquaclara

      Except that we hate Tom Cruise.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Right

    • A bird in the chimney

      Not the least surprised. It’s a solid franchise and people love their high-action popcorn flicks. We might wish otherwise, but MI is TC’s wheelhouse, and a box-office performer. So many other likable actors in it, too, which I lament, because I’d enjoy them. lol

    • Rasha

      One day, I may think about watching one of them. …..naw.

      • MaxSpaceman

        You may want to watch the one with Phillip Seymour Hoffman. He’s so grand in it.

    • truth will set u free

      In case anyone is willing to.subject themselves to more TC self promotion, he is on Jon Stewart’s Daily Show tonite ……hehe

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        We are watching Stewart, as this is the next to the last week of his time with Daily Show.

        TC… sheesh. Wish John Oliver was handling the segment.

    • Robert Hammond

      Good thing about the James Bond franchise is that it survived many actors playing the lead. Even though I grew up on Sean Connery, I’ve enjoyed other stars, including Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig.

      Just like James Bond, Bourne Conspiracy, Batman, and Superman franchises can get better with different leads, so will Mission Impossible. In fact, anyone would be an improvement.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        And we won’t have to feel guilty supporting a criminal when the series is recast…!

        • MaxSpaceman

          (Serious query) do you think watching MI movies when they come on television supports a criminal? Sure won’t go plunck down coin of the realm to see its theatrical run, but a year after that, on cable? (My guilt quotient shall rise/fall with answer.)

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            It is when you directly spend money that you are directly supporting them. Broadcast TV, not at all. Cable is a fine point, I suppose. If you really want to see it, go. Just don’t go on opening weekend. Or sneak into it after buying a ticket for another movie at the multiplex– even though that would be wrong.

            • MaxSpaceman

              no, I don’t do direct support. But watching it on TV is what I do do. I like the MI franchise- they’re well made, entertaining pictures.

              I was seeking Bunker absolution for watching Cruze movies on cable.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Pretty classic review from a business focussed magazine. All about the franchise. And, in a backhanded way, not flattering to Cruise. The point: the franchise is the star. Plug in the right actor and it will perform. Just look at the string of Bonds we have had over the years. Wildly varying in tone and quality, yet the franchise goes on…

      • Ghost of Gon

        Are you going to see Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation?

        • Frodis73

          I can’t answer for Triple D personally, but the vast majority of us do not pay money that supports scientology in any way shape or form.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Highly unlikely. Based on trailer and reviews, doesn’t look like anything I would enjoy. Also don’t particularly like supporting someone like Tom Cruise, who actively supports a criminal organization.

    • Rasha

      (imagine the clip from Airplane II, wherein Peter Graves is attempting to disable R.O.C. with the Mission: Impossible theme playing in the background… I couldn’t find it, so you’ll just have to remember)

    • Bob

      Yes, it appears it will be a success. To bad, as it gives Cruz more support to continue to prop up his criminal cherch.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      *semi-spoiler alert* The plot concerns a group that pops up in various places and raises terroristic chaos called “the syndicate”. CIA says it doesn’t exist, TC & crew says it does, blah blah, blah. At the end you find out that “the syndicate” was an idea of the head of British intelligence – hire rogue agents to engage in spying and various nefarious and illegal acts, all funded by a super secret 20 billion dollar account ensuring that the govt. can deny any connection or dirty hands when these acts take place. A Bunkerite can’t help but see some similarities between this “syndicate” and a certain cult…

  • Vaquera

    Hey, Sherbet!

    • Sid

      What was that joke Sherbet was trying to get someone to finish. She had the first part, I think was something like ‘A Catholic and a Rabbi walk into an Org’… I can’t remember if that was it. I thought I’d try to put something together but couldn’t remember the beginning.

      • Jimmy3

        Priest / Rabbi walk into an Org…

        • Sid

          That’s it. Okay, this is a bit of a lame start. I’ll try for better:

          A Priest and a Rabbi walk into an Org having been told they might improve on their skills.

          The Priest says, “we have confession”.
          The Scientologist says, “we use confession against you”.

          The Rabbi says, “we have guilt”.
          The Scientologist says, “we create guilt”.

          The Priest says, “we forgive”.
          The Scientologist says, “we never forget”.

          The Rabbi says, “we have One God”.
          The Scientologist says, “we are gods”.

          Leaving the Org the Priest and the Rabbi shake their heads as they toss the brochures, DVDs, books, and materials they received into the trash.

          The Scientologist adds 2 names to his daily stat.

          • Frodis73

            I like it!

        • Robert Eckert

          A priest and a rabbi walk into an Org and the priest says, “What is this, some kind of joke?”
          A reg overhears him and says, “That will cost you a sec check. We need $1000 from you by this Thursday 2PM.”
          And the rabbi says, “From this, you make a living?”

      • Vaquera

        IDK. Missed it.

      • jazzlover

        I am waiting with “tone 1.1” breath.

  • GrandEclectus

    OT
    UPDATE on Eric Idle vs Scientology trolls….I thought this was OVER!

    https://twitter.com/ericidle/status/626110386522034176

    • Robert Hammond

      Brilliant! Looks like a trip to ethics for reaching tone scale minus forty – Total Failure!

      • GrandEclectus

        This is def OutPR for Xenu’s sake.

        I thought they’d reached -40 at the F’ off tweet, but evidently Sally uses her super powers to plumb new depths!

    • Jimmy3

      It has to be noted that media_lush is the one who set this all in motion.

      • Eclipse-girl

        ^^^^^ yes

      • GrandEclectus

        Did he file the original KR that let Eric know that Mr. Wood was a crazed RonBot. WONDERFUL!!!

        Evidently Mr. Idle feels very strongly on the subject. For him to tweet this much about it, well it’s not like he’s sitting on his thumbs. He’s involved in a major show at the moment and under tremendous pressure!

        • Jimmy3

          Exactly. John Alex Wood won some contest naming him the #1 Monty Python fan in the world, and he was supposed to be working with them on some project which I forget the details of. So media_lush noticed this and reached out to Eric Idle to show him some of the crazy shit that John Alex Wood supports. And Eric Idle, to his credit, immediately was like hell no. We don’t support that.

          It’s not my story to tell, and, again, I forget all the details, but he basically set all this in motion. I’m sure he could fill you in.

          • GrandEclectus

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05f89b94c9a4d7c2a8a67eccb4342468b58641caf287bed5bd66ec515ae0cb7f.jpg

            SUPERB! A big warm fuzzy for Media Lush and to Eric Idle who retweeted my tweet with this meme.

            While the Scientology connection played a huge part, the troll tweeting, cursing and all the antics sure didn’t help. If John was having a professional dispute over the book, he should have taken it OFFLINE and not had his g/f & friends tweeting Idle with ad Homs and curses.

            We used their playbook against them too.
            1. I unintentionally bull baited them, got them in a tizzy
            2. I reported their bad behavior to upper mgmt… Eric Idle & Twitter.
            3. They were attacking me, so I fair gamed them.
            4. Found their ruin, this bizarre 2nd religion, Monty Python.

            Of course, being Scientology, they blame me, Eric Idle, they even made comments about Cambridge! His school!!! They did it all to themselves!

            If they had left me alone, to excercise my free speech, none of this would have happened.

            I don’t attack people. I blocked the lot of them.

            • Dibythesea

              Wow! Way to Confront & Shatter! Lol!
              Time to sleep now!. Night all

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Tables turned. Well done!

          • he had to shut down a couple of his facebook fan pages… the main one was a dating site for Python fans; I’m sure what really got his goat was that he was “officially” helping the Pythons on some massive transcribing job they were doing on some of their old stuff and he was kicked off that… must have burned!

      • been trying to track down all the original stuff… with no luck, I think it’s a fried HD… pretty sure John Alex Wood was one of the main protagonists in my blogs complaints

    • Observer

      Wow, for a not-a-Scientologist that sallywestern character uses a remarkable number of Scilon-style arguments.

      • GrandEclectus

        Ah, ha! Thought so! She called me libelous for implying or saying she was a Scientologist. She quacks like a duck, alright!

        Westgarth tried the same crap a couple weeks ago, calling a guy a paranoid schizophrenic for assuming he was a Scientologists.

        What a three ring circus!

        Sure, these people are poised for world domination.

    • aquaclara

      Excellent nailing by Eric Idle.

    • sticking my oar into the mix… I previously tweeted that her friend Gemma Harris was dating the ex head of scientology’s Narconon Europe and followed it up with this one

      pic

      • GrandEclectus

        Nice!

        Here’s the thing: if Gemma Harris converted to Scientology AFTER meeting John through his dating FB page, then all their crying & screaming is rubbish! Their whole defense was that the dating was strictly Python and no one was being recruited to their foul cult.

        Also, thanks. I didn’t know JAW’s background.

        • I remember reading her saying “I’m taking my first lessons in scientology, it looks like fun” a year ago or so… must admit I’m curious as to how this “comedienne” responds

          • GrandEclectus

            Evidently I’m PTSD, racist and homophobic for protesting Scientology. Gee, wish I’d known. Only a mental patient would protest this fine, upstanding religion. Scientologist is now a race and a sexual inclination!

            You always hear it first at the Bunker!!!

            Scientologist or not, Sally needs help!

            Remember, this is the “thunderous c**t” woman, which is how I always talk to people I idolized.

      • just got a reply from her…

        • another reply…

          • dear me, she’s losing it…. can anyone check to see if she’s a clam herself?

  • worstcultever

    Hey Nora – finally was able to watch the video, and itโ€™s great stuff. Your explanations have the simplicity and clarity of a Chris Shelton, and Iโ€™d put your affable, smart and relatable personality (and great smile) right up there with Tory Magoo Herself! Looking forward to more of your work as well as seeing your Toronto presentation. Also just sent you some $. Cheers!

  • Dibythesea

    This is a perfect song for those who are thinking about leaving or have already left.
    we support you!
    https://youtu.be/fz1N8W8phec
    Rascal Flatts “I’m movin on”

  • Sid

    A little Mission Impossible banter on Facebook. (F5)

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Voting for Stillgrace. You know what I’m talkin’ ’bout.

    • Frodis73

      Oh, I forgot today…do you have the link handy?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd
        • Vaquera

          Winning!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Yes, ma’am. The Bunker Boostโ„ข.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              How can this be??? According to OSA trolls, there are no no more than 11 people here, and their various socks, all “talking” to themselves.

      • A bird in the chimney

        Psst: Vote ‘Hudson Woods’ by Lang Architecture, under the Professional Living/Dining tab. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Thx! I forgot to add that part. Derp!

  • bougiefever

    From what I understand, Ronnie was the biggest slut ever. How is it that his religion is so prudish? I don’t get it.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      “Do as I say, not as I do….and so on and so forth”

  • Some things are not what they seem.. One More Fucking Time…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIWfCDpSWc

  • Eclipse-girl

    Evening reminder ( i hope to do another before bed time)

    Please Click on the heart on the top of the comments

    Please Click on the heart of the following article
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    (Only 2 more are needed)

    Please click on the CL ads.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • Vaquera

    Good night, my friends. A little something in memory of my friend, Estelle, who passed away this morning. 92 years young.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8A9Y1Dq_cQ

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Sorry, my dear.

    • Sid

      Sad to hear. Love the song.

    • Frodis73

      So sorry to hear about your friend Vaquera. HUGS.

    • aquaclara

      I’m sorry for your loss. Estelle must have been a special person. May she rest in peace.

    • Jimmy3

      Sorry :/

    • TexasBroad

      Beautiful. A favorite. So sorry for your pain.

    • Vaquera

      She lived every moment with joy. Her husband passed six weeks ago. They were both loved.

      • Frodis73

        Oh wow. Stories like that are heartbreaking yet so touching at the same time. True soul mates.

      • Life is terrible beauty. She was lucky to be so loved.

      • Eclipse-girl

        (((HUGS)))

    • Ella Raitch

      A friend sent me a photo the other day taken of an elderly couple (friends of a mutual friend) in residential care who were put in the same bed to cuddle up (the centre had sent the photo of the parents to the daughter who lives away and can’t get to see them as often as she’d like). The would be late ’80’s I think. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a photo more poignant. Ageing is the last frontier.

    • Juicer77

      Sorry to hear, but I’m sure Estelle is thrilled to be w/her hubby again. 92 years lived well. Can’t do much better than that <3

  • Sid

    Some day Tom Cruise will have more children, and then some grandchildren, and then,,, (F5)

  • Windows 10 rolls out in about 50 minutes.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Sooner than OT X.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Although I have the option, I’ve decided to stick with Windows 7. No touchscreen, and won’t have one for some time, and if I ever really upgrade, I’m getting a Mac. ;D

      • I’m just saying.

        • A bird in the chimney

          Me too. (I like Win7 just fine, even!)

        • MaxSpaceman

          You have a link you trust to download win10?

      • MaxSpaceman

        so much better! have both cuz of work. but Mac is light years better than windwoesl

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Windows 10, help yourself.

      free upgrade for current users
      .50 for Microsoft employees

      • I am sick and tired of you people bashing my Windows beliefs.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Ooooh, beliefs. I thought you said briefs. Windows briefs would just be weird, but whatever makes you feel sexy, Dodo, go for it. No more low toned guilt, bro. (F5)

          • SP Wogsy

            Cute!

          • I only wear boxers.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not. going. to. go. there. Speed bag or heavy bag? Hur hur.

            • My package likes total freedom.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              LOL! OK, you win…this round.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        i’ll pass.

    • SP Wogsy

      R u getting it?

      • MaxSpaceman

        the speech app is supposedly superior to Suri

        • SP Wogsy

          Mmmmm..I don’t use my speech app anyways. It annoys me when I accidently press on it on my iphone.

        • And her name is Cortana. Halo is my game, so I have no choice.

          • A bird in the chimney

            aha, nice.

          • SP Wogsy

            They really named it. *eye roll* lol.

      • Yes. It has to be better than 8.1 and it’s free.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      It works pretty good. I’ve had it for about two weeks. If you use Chrome, back up all of your settings and bookmarks and reinstall it once the upgrade is done. Other than that, I was good to go. I’ve heard of problems with heavy video editing or intense photoshop uses (which I don’t do), but it’s been pretty good so far. Also, set up Cortana once you’ve checked everything. It works WAY better than Google Now (and supposedly better than Siri, but fuck Apple), and they’re going to add apps for Android and iOs.

  • Jimmy3

    Tom Cruise on the Daily Show: Over/under .5 Scientology mentions?

    • MaxSpaceman

      0 mentions

      • Jimmy3

        That is under. But the person who bets over could win so many bunker points.

        • SP Wogsy

          1.5 mentions.

          • Dave In Ajax

            nothing will happen

            • SP Wogsy

              Kill joy.

          • Jimmy3

            I’m gonna count that volcano jab as a mention. You win on the over. Congrats.

            • SP Wogsy

              yessssssssssss…

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Whaaaa? Now I’m pissed I’m not watching.

        • Ben Franklin

          Linda Hamel wants you to play spy games with her

          • Jimmy3

            Tell her to text me

            • Ben Franklin

              she doesn’t roll that way, she old fashion and only uses human messengers (CMOs) and PIs

    • Ella Raitch

      under

  • SP Wogsy

    Sadly, I don’t know any french songs, but with all this talk of Paris, I am now craving crepes. Thx to Simi for the pancake mix recipe. It came out great.

  • Frodis73

    Attention! Are you coming to Cleveland on the 23rd to see Tony? Miss Tia has something up her sleeve and we would like to get an idea of who might be making the trip up.
    You can either post here or contact one of us off list. I can be reached at gmail. Just use my Bunker name (frodis73) in front of gmail. Tia will probably post this again early in the morning and I will let her give the correct email as I’m not sure which one I should post. Lol.
    I know that Observer and Robert Eckert said they would be making the trip, but I cannot remember the other people that said they were going to try and make it.

    • flyonthewall

      I will try. Will know if feasible in a few wks

      • Frodis73

        Oh really? Cool!! That would be so great. I hope you can work it out, but I understand how hard that can be.

  • MaxSpaceman

    I don’t take off my shirt. Even to shower. — Daily Show Jon Stewart

    • Ben Franklin

      are you James Bond?

  • Dave In Ajax

    drop me in a volcano

    • Dave In Ajax

      stuart got his dig in

      • SP Wogsy

        heh

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Little Johnny Leibowitz made good. Hooray!

        • Dave In Ajax

          it was subtle, but I tommy was fuming inside

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Lovely! I’ll bet he had a DM moment either in the green room or in the limo afterwards.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Reportedly, as told by Michael ‘Savage’ Weiner, he was not wearing Ralph ‘Lauren’ Lipschitz.

          • Robert Hammond

            Fuming like a volcano!

      • Top Cat Davey

        Iam going miss Stuart .

  • MaxSpaceman

    MI6 starts filming next summer. (alas.)

    • Will Tom Cruise be in it?

      • Ella Raitch

        He is saying he is – but he would, wouldn’t he

  • Michael K on Cruise’s lip-synching

    “Participating in the lip-synch contest on Wiener Wednesdays in the Scientology Centre bathhouse finally paid off! While on The Tonight Show to promote Mission: Impossible 5, Tom Cruise nearly cracked the Botox in his mouth area while mouthing the words to several songs during a lip-synch battle against Jimmy Fallon. The lip-synch battle was as spontaneous as a Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck photo-op. But who cares if Tommy Girl spent several days in a rehearsal studio with a choreographer and Beyonceโ€™s lip-synch coach. It paid off, because he worked his mouth like a blow job queen 2 minutes before closing time at the glory hole. Tommy gave us performance, moves, face, emotion and hair flips while lip-synching to The Weeknd, Meatloaf and of course, โ€œYouโ€™ve Lost That Lovinโ€™ Feelin.โ€ Serve it, Tommy

    more here http://dlisted.com/2015/07/28/tom-cruise-lip-synched-for-his-life-on-the-tonight-show/

    also here’s a tweet I sent to Trump’s lawyer

    … and finally here’s a reminder of my daily off-topic stuff on blollocks…. [more naked Lords stuff]

    https://www.scientologybollocks.com/daily-off-topic-lulz/

    • SP Wogsy

      I can’t get used to his new face : /

      • Pierce Brosnan want’s it back.

    • Missionary Kid

      If he could, Trump would sue his parents to the tune of millions of dollars for his inherited lack of hair.

      • the lawyer had to apologise by putting out a statement re the ‘can’t rape your wife’ thing he said:

        “โ€œAs an attorney, husband and father there are many injustices that offend me but nothing more than charges of rape or racism. They hit me at my core. Rarely am I surprised by the press, but the gall of this particular reporter to make such a reprehensible and false allegation against Mr. Trump truly stunned me. In my moment of shock and anger, I made an inarticulate comment โ€“ which I do not believe โ€” and which I apologize for entirely.โ€

        … funny how he’s rabid and demented as his client…. I’ll be making a point to tweet to him on a regular basis to see how long before he blocks me

        • Missionary Kid

          Trump is notorious, in my mind, for filing big law suits, with lots of fanfare, then quietly dropping them months later.

          Face it, this attorney is probably on a healthy retainer, and he bills Mr. T. for every minute that he makes asinine statements like that to the press. He almost makes Moxon look good, but he’s better paid.

          • just noticed he removed his twitter address from his site… pussy… see pic

        • Jimmy3

          Such bullshit. Four paragraphs is not a “moment”

        • Missionary Kid

          I read it closely. It’s not an apology, but an attack on the journalist who wrote the story. It says nothing about his own ignorance of the law or the fact that the person making the charge was one of his ex-wives.

    • Frodis73

      Blow job queen…bwaaaa!!!! He is hilarious!
      eta-as for Trump’s lawyer, I feel sorry for his wife. I hope she hit hit him upside the head after reading what he wrote about rape. He should also be sleeping on the couch.

  • Tony, how is the weather in Paris?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You sneaky devil. You’re expecting him to be awake right now aren’t you? I hope it works.

      • JJ probably corrupted Ton with their fancy wines.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          They can try, but Napa wines are better. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Jimmy3

    I’m burnt out on this shit. I don’t even want to read about Scientology any more. So I don’t know how people stay in it.

    • Kay

      ITA Jimmy thrice.

    • SP Wogsy

      Fear, addiction, abusive relationship, vulnerability etc. There are many reasons. I hear you. Time for a Bunker break? Sleep well, J3.

      • Kay

        g’nite wogsy……k

      • Jimmy3

        I gained all that without ever joining a cult. Wtf? I must be doing it wrong.
        Goodnight

        • SP Wogsy

          (((hugs)))

        • Eclipse-girl

          you still have loved ones, a home and some money.
          YOU did it right.

          • SP Wogsy

            I just got the sadz from his response : (
            I hope your ok, J3
            Gnite E-girl

    • 0tessa

      I take a break every once and a while.

  • Robert Hammond

    Thanks for anyone who joined in the Disqus comments on this link: http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/21/scientology-tom-cruise-top-gun-summer-movie

    I think I may have accidentally joined Scientology.

    • TexasBroad

      Well, THAT made me look! Great exchange with Elle, particularly the part about the suicides. I was completely lost as to her “…then I am your dad” comment though.

      • Robert Hammond

        Yes. Her “logic” sometimes escapes me. But I try to remain civil and keep an open dialogue. Some of the other comments are interesting too. I figure it doesn’t hurt to get people thinking and asking questions. Who knows what can happen?

        • TexasBroad

          You were very civil and I thought you did a great job. It almost seemed like you reached her there for a minute. I have a lot of hope for Elle, or the Elles – if it is more than one that takes that duty.

    • Missionary Kid

      I couldn’t resist. I went into full factual mode, as well as challenging her to cite where in Going Clear there were factual errors.

  • Krustie, I don’t believe you!!

    pic

  • Mockingbird

    Tom Cruise is on the Daily Show now. Ugh.

    • Frodis73

      Did anybody watch? Anything to report? I’m assuming his face is still frozen. Just wondering if Jon actually talked to him or they did some stunt like the Fallon show.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Saw it. Very puffy interview (in many ways) until the very end. Awkward nano-second when Jon Stewart suggested that for his next film, they could throw Tom Cruise into a volcano. I am not making this up.

        Both Mrs. D and I noted that Cruise seemed very stiff and forced. His laugh was virtually identical each time it was unleashed. Over all, he came off like a robot.

        • Frodis73

          I will have to go watch it tomorrow when it’s online. Too funny about the volcano. I guess that was maybe the only way JS could get a jab in there. Or, probably just wishful thinking on my part. Thanks for the review.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I doubt JS was really giving it any thought. TC did seem to react fractionally, then gave an uber-jolly reply about rappelling in volcanoes in Iceland. He may end up doing some Amends for that– didn’t Hubbard claim that we have a racial-memory based terror of volcanoes, because of… well… you know…?

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Ooohhh, can’t wait to watch it…I’ve been enjoying the waning days of Stewart’s No Fucks Left to Give Tour, so I’m glad to hear he was able to slip in a jab, even if it was only a mild one. You know the rest of the media are going to be put in chokeholds about it.

      • Mockingbird

        Jon gutlessly ignored Scientology and sucked up to Cruise the entire time .

        • Always Amazed

          I realize I am not in the majority here,, but I can’t stand JS… So no surprise to me, just reinforced my reasons for not watching.

          • Mockingbird

            On some issues I agree with him , but was didgusted tonight.

  • romanesco

    Late night musical interlude for those freaking out about their own personal eternity
    https://youtu.be/vRu1Lk3IK8c

  • Frodis73

    Jenyfurrrr-I am dying to know what your avi says…I can’t read it and it’s driving me crazy. Lol. It looks kinda cute tho.

  • Frodis73

    Looks like Alanna Masterson is pregnant! DM is going to start prepping that kid for the SO asap.
    https://instagram.com/p/5pt57Dosn4/

    • Pretty girl. Nice photo. Wonder why she uses the last name Masterson when her dad is Joe Reiche?

      • PerpetualOutflow

        If you didn’t see it last night, someone posted a great piece about her father leaving $cientology and being declared. He was instantly separated from all four children and his ex-wife and hasn’t spoken to them since. In protest, all four (two of them he had with his wife, two were step children) decided to go by their mother’s name and drop his. The piece was great. Daily Mail I think.

  • . . .

    • Graham

      The Bunker NEVER sleeps. Early morning shift reporting for duty!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Huh… wha…

      Who’s asleep?

  • last post… given that that dentistry is a profession popular with the clams wouldn’t it be delightfully ironic if that idiot who shot Cecil the Lion turned out to be one…. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/minnesota-dentist-named-as-killer-of-zimbabwes-famed-human-loving-cecil-the-lion/

    • Graham

      I had that same thought last night and did a bit of googling, but can’t see a connection.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +โ€“+ Reminder +โ€“+ RED X *** Wednesday, 29 July 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    We are having a lot of problems with Google docs, it seems to happen more regularly towards the end of the month.
    As a result we have not managed to collect the scores although at a glance we can see that some good work has been achieved in the โ€œTry Citiesโ€ of Canada.

    The weekโ€™s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2547837
    Tuesday 28th: Good show in Kitchener.

    keep the well intentioned and idealists away from co$, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5โ€ฆ Apocalyptica by Melusaaste enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16661810226/in/set-72157642802079293

  • B4you

    Itยดs all in your head! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “Teflon Tom Cruise Dodges Scientology Controversy in โ€˜Mission: Impossible โ€“ Rogue Nation” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/teflon-tom-cruise-dodges-scientology-controversy-in-mission-impossible-rogue-nation.html

  • valshifter

    wow, who wants to go to work at int. base near Miscavige? is that the carrot they dangle in your face as a Seaborg worker? G R E A T !!!! thank you very much, yes please put me behind bars, with razor wire on the fence, with cameras 24/7 on my face, risking to be bitch slapped, that is so THETA yes that is my DREAM job, thank you for allowing me to enter the darkest area of the scientology prison, I couldn’t be more grateful. (fingers on my head pretending to be a gun)

  • Frodis73

    LOL! I knew it was good. So glad I asked.

  • Boy, those Sea Org rules are rough, huh? Travolta could never be in the S.O. because how in the world could he give up anal sex and blowjobs from masseuses and “best buds”? How can Lil Davey stay on post, knowing he jacks off to that Top Gun poster of Lil Tommy over his bed? And did anyone ever tell those “ethics officers” how the biggest frustrations in Elwrong’s life was not getting to screw both first clear John McMaster and Celebrity Centre founder Yvonne Gilham? What a bunch of twisted sisters! I remember how guys used to get all bent out of shape about thinking masturbating was an overt. I used to laugh about that even when in the S.O.

  • Tory Christman

    Fannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntastic, NORA!! Thank you so very much for going into such detail
    about C of $’s utter insanities re SEX. ๐Ÿ™‚ I can’t wait to hear more of your videos!! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Nora is amazing. I love her to bits. For all the right reasons ๐Ÿ™‚