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A rundown on the truth being delivered at the Toronto Scientology conference

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It was a real highlight for us to meet for the first time a frequent contributor to the Underground Bunker, former Sea Org worker Chris Shelton. We asked him to give us a report about his first day speaking at the Toronto conference yesterday. Here’s what he sent us.

Attending the Getting Clear conference here in Toronto has been a bit of a dream come true for me. I’ve finally met some of the real stars in the ex-Scientology community who have been kind of like legends to me for the past two years: Hana Eltringham Whitfield, Paulette Cooper, Nancy Many, Gerry Armstrong, Spanky Taylor, Jesse Prince, Jon Atack and our proprietor.

In the years I was in Scientology, I always made it a point to ask those who had worked with L. Ron Hubbard what he was really like in person. This probably happened with about 15 or so people throughout that time and one-for-one, without fail, I would be regaled with tales of wonder and delight at what presence and intention and charisma LRH exuded. They would describe to me how he was the most powerful being they’d ever met, but at the same time how he always took such pains to “grant beingness” to us lesser mortals and go out of his way to make people he spoke with feel safe and appreciated. It never ceased to amaze me what an impression he made and what an obviously intense and amazing individual he must have been. They never failed to comment on his compassion and how nice he was and how he went so far out of his way to see to the welfare of his staff.

The people in Toronto who knew Hubbard, some of whom had worked with and around the man for years, gave me a very different picture. It wasn’t because these people have grown to hate or revile him, because none of the people I met actually felt that way. Instead, I finally got the story straight, unfiltered by the adulation and hero worship that so saturates every cult member towards their leader. Needless to say, I got a very different picture of what he was like and his God-like status has been correctly brought down to that of a real human being who had petty foibles and problems just like the rest of us.

As to the event itself, the stories and information related by the speakers thus far, after only two days, has been eye-opening and in some cases, down right astonishing. While I certainly knew some of this information, many of the details escaped me in my earlier research, and I also came to find that there were whole years of Scientology history I knew almost nothing about. I’ve had some key details also filled in about David Miscavige’s takeover in the mid-80s and how his coup actually went down.

I’d say this has been the best “Scientology event” I’ve ever been to, mainly of course because I’m finally getting straight shots of unfiltered truth about Scientology versus the bloviated Shermanspeak propaganda that Miscavige spews. And of course, we aren’t standing up every 10 minutes applauding COB’s greatness.

On Tuesday, I gave the first of my three talks, this one about the Truth Rundown. I don’t think from what I’ve seen and heard that very many people in and out of Scietology are even aware that there is a Scientology auditing action called the Truth Rundown, which is where the St Petersburg Times got their headline for their thorough expose in 2009.

While I won’t pretend to give a full briefing on it here, let me tell you a little bit about this action, since I happen to think it is the single most insidious and damaging of all of Scientology’s mind control procedures.

The purpose of the Truth Rundown is to handle “black PR” a person has been spreading about Scientology or its executives or members. For example, if someone were going around saying that staff of Scientology orgs don’t ever get paid, that would obviously create a bad impression of Scientology and people would not so easily be recruited to work there. This would be considered “black PR” even though it does happen to mainly be a true statement. Another example could be spreading that “Miscavige beats his staff.” Anything that basically demeans Scientology or is directly critical of its organizations, leaders, members or the subject itself is basically considered “black PR.”

The Truth Rundown is delivered as a kind of security checking or confessional, meaning that it is a way of getting a person to confess their crimes or sins (overts) to an auditor.

I want to be clear that the Truth Rundown is rarely talked about, mainly because so few people even know about it. Even in the Scientology bubble world, only select Sea Org members receive this action, mostly on the RPF. I only know of one actual instance where a non-staff (public) person received this.

People talk about how auditing can be a form of hypnosis or appeals to false memory by addressing imaginary “whole track” incidents from millions of years ago, but I think the TRD has them all beat. The Truth Rundown is a kind of Maoist reconditioning.

Rather than describe in detail how the TRD is delivered, I’ll instead link to an interview that Bruce Hines gave to Mark Bunker back in 2013 where he laid it out in full.

 

 
Because of the way it is run, each wrongful action they take up has to be a “serious” overt and it has to be something the person did which is directly on the subject matter of the black PR he was spreading. In other words, if a person was saying “the staff don’t ever get paid” then he better come up with an overt (confess to a “crime”) along the lines of stealing the org’s payroll or robbing another staff member of his pay. The auditor is directed to not take up any “non-serious” overts or any overts that don’t have anything to do with the black PR.

Its end result is not just a person confessing that they did some things wrong; it’s convincing himself that he didn’t actually see what he saw and that he has been deluding himself all this time, that he’s only been spreading this “black PR” because of his own evil activity and that the black PR never even happened.

So what you have is a methodology that literally re-writes a person’s memories so they feel that horrifying abuses which happened to them in Scientology didn’t actually happen and puts in its place the idea that the person himself did purposefully evil and destructive actions.

If that isn’t the ultimate in mind control, I don’t know what is

— Chris Shelton

 
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BOOK NOTES
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
June 28: Clearwater, Florida (with Paulette Cooper) Clearwater Public Library, 2 pm, sponsored by Center for Inquiry-Tampa Bay and the Humanist Society of the Suncoast.

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry (with Paulette Cooper)

July 14: Hartford, MARK TWAIN HOUSE (with Tom Tomorrow)

July 17: Denver, The Secular Hub, 7 pm (with Chris Shelton)

July 20: Dallas, Times Ten Cellar, 7 pm (with Robert Wilonsky)

July 22: Houston, Fox and Hound, 11470 Westheimer Road, sponsored by Humanists of Houston

July 24: San Antonio

July 25: Austin

July 29: Paris (with Jonny Jacobsen)

August 4: London (with John Sweeney)

August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm

September 16: Arizona State University

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 24, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Matt in Atlanta

    Word.

    F5

  • Congrats on the new gig, Tony!

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Bruce Hines on the truth run down. Just brings such a tear to my eye. The sadness I feel for all those on the RPF, I can’t believe people I knew growing up are being subjected to that level of brainwashing. But it is the pillar of Scientology. If they lock you into a room and extract credit card juice. It’s your fault you must have pulled that in.

  • Missionary Kid

    Don’t forget to click on the heart that’s just under the number of comments. It raises the Bunker’s profile with Disqus.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X ***Wednesday, 24 June 2015

    Good day Bunkeroos,

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2542387

    F5 … Keep Walking by Pshoudini enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16013902967/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I think Tony is somewhat shy, but like it or not. I’m PROUD of you Tony!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I really am, too.

    • Miss Tia

      He’s humble!

  • Observer

    Is Disqus spazzing out on anyone else? I’m going to quit for awhile and see if it stops.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Yes. Disqus is spazzin out on my end too.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Bigtime, Obs.

  • flyonthewall

    I just had a great idea – banana flavored cat treats. Basically you just take a real banana and force feed it to your cat

    • ReallyMGM

      I gave mine some fresh salmon this past weekend. She snorted and walked off. She will only accept expensive pellets.

      • Sookie Sookie

        This really makes me want to post Andrea’s “superior llama” gif. I am still laughing at that attitude!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Hold me back, Sookie, hold me back!

          By the way, I really have to thank Nat for making it for me. I wanted it for a very specific purpose but I couldn’t help using it prematurely!

          http://i.imgur.com/mcv8KA9.gif

          • ReallyMGM

            Thanks! Must send to friend who just adopted 2 llamas.

          • Sookie Sookie

            Yes!! I nominate that llama for every acting award everywhere.

            ETA: Thank you, Nat! This is my favorite thing of the day. 😀

      • flyonthewall

        Mine is the exact same way. Just replace fresh salmon with monkey chow and expensive pellets with live waterbugs.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          You can keep the waterbugs (cos I don’t like the taste of them), but give me my chow back please Fly-I’m getting hungry over here 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      I just had a great idea – banana-flavored cats. Basically you just take really small cats and put them inside banana peels.

      • flyonthewall

        it would be huge on the Alf planet! Let’s talk synergy. Meet me in my office in one hour

        • Sherbet

          That would be the planet Melmac, as I recall.

          • flyonthewall

            swish!

  • Mockingbird

    I just heard about Tony Ortega’s new job ! WOW ! I cannot wait to see what he comes up with ! Happy days are here again !

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Isn’t it terrific news, MB? 🙂 Unfortunately the excitement appears to have broken Disqus!

      • Mockingbird

        Well worth the temporary removal quietly and without sorrow for the greatest good !

        Scary how I can slide back into cult think 🙂 !

    • madame duran

      Wait…WHAT??!!?? Where’s the announcement about Tony’s new job??

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Look at tony’s twitter feet on left.

        • madame duran

          Thanks! Congrats, Tony! 🙂

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Congrats, Tony! Just heard the news. You’re the man! Finally I’ll have somewhere to go for my TV news again. Hope it’s as perfect as it sounds, or at least as awesome.

    http://i.imgur.com/eJquFp8.gif

    • flyonthewall

      what’s all this about now? I see no update in the post. What’s the word bird?

      Scrolled down and found it – Tony is now Exec editor of TheLip TV! Nice. Congrats Tony

  • Todd Tomorrow

    ….

    • ReallyMGM

      I have been in and out today and have missed something. Can you put this in context?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’m on an iPad and made a mistake. Dropped my laptop!

        • ReallyMGM

          Hope it isn’t hurt! I can’t imagine life without mine. I also can’t imagine life standing on a street corner dressed like that handing out cards all day and night. #sad #boring

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Leaving it up for some fun but meant to share the above post! on Reed the Ponzi schemer who used the Scientology defense, above!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I am asking for a friend whether anyone knows if Tony’s book event in Dallas is free entry. Anyone know?

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes. No cost.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Thank you.

  • Mockingbird

    Who has suggestions for show topics for Tony ! Exposing the RPF and cadet org and countering the cult’s smear videos with facts and even tearing apart the fallacies they use with short segments on fallacies , propaganda and rhetoric ! Am I dreaming !? Please don’t wake me . 🙂

  • Frodis73

    Congrats on the new job Tony! You’re going to do a kick ass job. You deserve every good thing heading your way.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Can someone invent a bed that can be strapped to his back at all times in case he finds the odd minute in the day for a power nap?

      • ReallyMGM

        IKR! Does he sleep? Ever?

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA8y0luIGA. The acting like a Scientologist defence

  • skiesareblue

    Can someone please post a link about Tony’s new job? (I’m Having pizza with Madame Duran here, might be able to send some comments in the next hour.

  • Vaquera

    We are on a dinner break (three hours after lunch. Who can eat again already?). Jamie DeWolfe performs at 6:30. I’m really, really looking forward to it — clear the afternoon stories of children from my mind. I’ve been sitting in the back row, but tonight I want to be front and center and get some pics for you guys.

    There is a noticable lack of energy coming from the now empty chair where Tony’s nest used to be. Come back!!

    After each day’s closing at 9:00 pm, lots of people gather at the big table in the bar. Last night I sat at the end of the table and spent 2 cocktails worth of time talking with Jamie. Wow, he radiates artistic energy. I used to work at a performance/alternative art space. I get so jazzed and inspired by their creative force. It was a total blast.

    Today at lunch I sat next to Nancy Many, Len and Paulette (who left for the airport afterwards). Remember my posts from Sunday evening, when Skies and I were stalking Paulette, Hana, Spanky, Chris, Tory, Nora, Nancy, Jessie and the 3 studly investigative reporters? They were at the big table and Skies and I were at a little round table off to the side. How we were shy and didn’t want to bother them? Now we are all one big Scio-critical family; speaking, listening, laughing, learning…and sharing the occasional leaded beverage or three.

    So wish all of you were here to share in the fun.

    • skiesareblue

      Great post, Vaquerra. Keep it up, I’m fried.

      • Vaquera

        Me, too, but duty calls. 🙂

      • ReallyMGM

        Thank you for yours, too. I meant to say something earlier but was in a waiting room and it was hard to type.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That’s so lovely. Sunday seems so long ago! This will be something you remember for always 🙂

      Pics of Jamie sounds ace!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh what a wonderful post!

    • Sherbet

      How wonderful for you! That shyness went right out the window.

    • SP Wogsy

      I kinda have a crush on Jamie, and I don’t even like red heads! You are sooooo lucky Vaquera!!! Can’t wait to see the pics!

      • Vaquera

        Yeah. Definitely crush-worthy.

      • Vaquera

        I have a great pic of the two of us that was taken on the first day. I would love to share it with you, but I’m on the bubble of whether to out myself.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          That’s totally up to you love. I don’t want to speak for them, but I am sure one of our more skilled Bunkeroos would edit it for you if you asked them. ; )

          • Vaquera

            Downloading a blur app now, but have to scurry downstairs to the event and snag a good seat. I’ll work on it later tonight.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              MWAH!! Have fun.

        • SP Wogsy

          Oh no, I wouldn’t want you to out yourself.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “Good friends, Good wine, Good life”

      So happy to hear you’re having a good time V. Enjoy tonight, and thank you so much for the updates. 🙂

    • Illinoisian

      Your commentary is helping us to feel the energy. So glad you & Skies are there.

      • skiesareblue

        “Energy” is a vast understatement. You just wouldn’t believe. People from all over the world.

  • Sid

    With Tony moving to TheLip.tv it looks like Miscavige is going to have to step up KCET in a big way to compete. (F5)

    And yes, if it didn’t have a mispelling it wouldn’t be Scientogy, Scienlto,, Scientifili,, whatever.

    • ze moo

      Any clam attempt to really hit mainstream Planet Earth can only blow up the whole clampire. Any mass media done from the old KCET studios has to be aimed at current clams. No one else will ever listen. If it isn’t a mystery, it can’t be a mystery sandwich. Not outside of school lunchroom anyway.

  • skiesareblue

    Congratulations, Tony!!

  • 0tessa

    Maybe some day the Pulitzer Price for his coverage of the rise and fall of the Scientology empire.

    • skiesareblue

      WooHoo!!!!!

  • SP Wogsy
  • skiesareblue

    I learned today that there can be a cult of one. ( Steve Hassan’s session.)

  • skiesareblue

    I am looking forward to the conference video so I can hit “PAUSE” and try to assimilate all this information at home, without the distractions. People are quiet, they are simply too famous. Paulette Cooper turned around and said “Hi, we had fun last night. “. ( I sat next to her at the table in the bar last night. What a gracious lady.)

    EDIT .. Learning to cut and paste. Haha

  • madame duran

    Quick notes:
    – It’s hard to summarize the wealth of information that conference attendees are taking in each day. Ever tried to drink water from a fire hose? EXACTLY! *skiesareblue nods in agreement* I will be spending several days ruminating everything I heard. Thank God it was all recorded!
    – The conference room where the sessions take place seem larger in the photos but in reality, it’s smaller. Total number of attendees in room (plus film crew): roughly 60-65 people. It’s an intimate feel. EVERYONE is either seated directly in front of, behind or just a couple feet away from the likes of Tory, Hana, Spanky, Jon Atack, Chris Shelton, Jesse Prince, Paulette Cooper, Steve Hassan, Jonny Jacobsen, Nora Crest, fellow Bunkeroos, etc. We’re a close knit community now. Amazing!!!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Just a thought I had: I want to eat pizza with you too! 😀

      • SP Wogsy

        : ) !!!!

      • skiesareblue

        Would love to have you.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          If I could be there skies, I promise you, I would be. 🙂

  • Eclipse-girl

    about Tony O’s schedule / job

    We talked a good deal about Raw Story and how Tony O changed up Raw Story’s style on Saturday.
    It was really interesting.
    Under Tony O’s guidance Raw Story is beating out Daily Kos and challenging Salon. In fact, Salon recently poached two staff from Raw Story.
    He mentioned how he works from 7:00 am til the late evening. He mentioned the new management style that he brought into Raw Story. It clearly worked.

    I wish Media Mayhem all the best.
    I hope Raw Story will keep up their presence after Tony O departs.

    Congrats, Tony O

    • Tony Ortega

      Well, there goes shooting the breeze with Bunkerites in a casual setting. Gonna have to be more guarded, I guess. Oh well.

      • Sherbet

        Now you know why the church insists on NDAs.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Rockslam’d the meter.

          • Sherbet

            One good thing about being beyond middle age is, if Tony told me some deep secret, I would forget it within 3 minutes.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              It takes you 3 minutes? Are you on some kinda cool brain food? Whats your secret?
              Who are you again?

            • Sherbet

              Do you need that answer in a hurry? My name tag is in the other room.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Yeah, but do you know WHICH room?
              Yeah, I didn’t think so.

            • Sherbet

              😀

      • Sid

        Reality TV is next. “Keeping up with Tony Ortega”. What privacy?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I apologize for letting anything slip

        I feel like I should crawl under a rock

        • Sookie Sookie

          Sherb and Suzanna are right – we’re all forgetting everything you said as we… wait, what? *goes and looks for keys*

          • Andrew Robertson

            I’ll have no trouble finding my keys if only I could remember where I left my glasses.

            Andrew

            • Sherbet

              If you can’t find your glasses, you won’t need your car keys, because you can’t drive without glasses. Presumably.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          (((Hugs you)))
          Rocks are heavy and really bad for your posture.
          Everybody has a foo-bar moment now and again.

        • Sherbet

          Aw, c’mon. Everyone loves you. You didn’t spill anything until the formal announcement was made.

          • Eclipse-girl

            no, i think I let other things slip.

            • Sherbet

              Your post is gone. The Bunker is full of old folks with no memory or young folks who have been drinking, so nobody remembers anything you said. Now take a breath and smile.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I let down a person who I admire. He has great integrity.

              My own sense of integrity is that I don’t do such things.

            • Sherbet

              Send him an email if you need to say something to him. We all know you have integrity. You were caught up in the excitement of the moment.

            • TonyOrtega

              Water under the Bridge To Total Freedom.

            • Eclipse-girl

              😉

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Eclipse……….Tony once told a few of us that he thought …….{grrr}……”Monkeyknickers” was a fraud.

              I said…what do you mean? I think she is funny and cool.

              We all know the rest of that story…………:-/

            • Eclipse-girl

              But you never let it slip to others.
              I did.

              I liked Monkey too. I do not understand the (?) pathology of needing to lie for attention
              I am kind of slow that way.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That parental thing – yeah that is the space I was in.
              I send many thanks to you , Sherb and Free Minds
              But mostly to Tony O for accepting my apology

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Look what Tony said – you are okay!!!

        • Observer

          {{{hugs}}}

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Oh no E-girl, you edited it very quickly. I know how you feel though, who am I to tell you not to feel badly. I would feel the same way, but then again I still feel guilt over things I did in 2nd grade which was 55 years ago or more! There are also gender differences. Think of Sheryl Sandberg in Lean In who got in to an elite school (grad school? Harvard? I don’t remember) and felt she didn’t belong. Her brother, who was not as good a student, also got into a good school but took it for granted as his right. You should read that book if you haven’t…

      • ShevilKat

        I think she was just bragging on you to the family. That’s how I took it, at least.

      • Mockingbird

        Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!

  • daisy

    SO PROUD OF YOU TONY congratulations!!!!!

  • skiesareblue

    Nora Crest gave a very emotional account of her time in the Sea Org. The trailer to her present movie project was shown. It is Exceptionally beautifully done, and will touch your heart in a big way because she is focusing on the children in there. Please do plan to donate when she re-opens it up for contributions.
    This is going to be HUGE.

    • ElleGee

      YES! ^

  • Juicer77

    Congratulations, Tony! Very best wishes as you discover new horizons.
    PS Don’t touch Crime Time – I love it just as it is 🙂 Just kidding. I’m sure you have some fresh ideas.

    • Sherbet

      Just think of all the Mark Ebner appearances Tony can program in. A whole lot of Ebner, on a whole variety of subjects.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        *sits up in chair*

        • Sherbet

          (I’ll say this very quietly…I hope Ebner wasn’t up for the same job. It’s a thought.)

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Oh my. That would be….amazeballs is the only word I can think of right now. The very idea excites me that much. 😀 Ebner! Ebner! Ebner!

      • Yeah, like Ebner on global warming, Ebner on dumpster diving, the guy is so much fun!

        • Sherbet

          Ebner on the seamy side of Hollywood. I eat it up.

        • Mockingbird

          Ebner on antivaccers. Despite his repeated insistence I am married to a man . Even though we have two children I witnessed the birth of as a Scientology exposer he gets some allowances.

  • nottrue
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Shevilkat is my hero.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      #Followed

    • Sookie Sookie

      It takes Bodhi 30 seconds to think about that? Something’s slowing down his cognitive processes.

      • ReallyMGM

        You know his answer. “Bigot” So predictable. #idiot

        • Mockingbird

          # Ad Hominem # Genetic Fallacy # Appeal to Authority # Anecdotal Evidence # Cherry Picking # Solipsistic Pseudoscience

    • Snake Plissken

      I know times can be tough out there kids, but think about what live is like as a member of the Sea Org, take 30 secs to think about that.

    • Jgg2012

      Did LRH invent toilet paper?

      • Sherbet

        Sure. Why not?

        • ReallyMGM

          He did everything else.

          • Sherbet

            Exactly.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            He should have been typing on toilet paper, instead of butcher paper.
            All that “shit” would have been easier to dispose of!

      • romanesco

        Not exactly. He was the original buttwipe.

  • Andrew Robertson

    Great news about your job, Tony! BBC News Online will be looking nervously over their shoulder at their new rival.

    Andrew

  • ShevilKat

    Congrats on your new job, Tony. Hip, Hip,……aw, you know.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      And congrats on your tweeting!

      • ShevilKat

        Aw, shucks. Sometimes they make it too easy.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          #HowDoTheyWipe is a peach.

  • Snake Plissken

    TheLip.tv has been taken over by the evil psychs just like LRH warned us about

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I love , Thelip.tv!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I do too

    • Juicer77

      I loves me some Media Mayhem and Crime Time. Now if Tony can do something about David Icke and Tyler Ventura, I’ll be eternally grateful.

  • RBE
    • ReallyMGM

      No sources to back up his claim. The article in the link only says “physicians.” There is no attribution; no name, no society, study. Thus, the article is only a fairy tale.

      EDIT: Checking the video and the first person is Ben Hansen, an anti-psychiatry activist. He is not a physician.
      EDIT 2: Dr. Colin Ross, psychiatrist has been accused of malpractice, including inducing false memories of satanic ritual abuse in patients.
      EIDIT 3: Dr. Julian Whitaker is giving mental health advice, but this is his specialty: Vitamins to treat vision problems. http://www.drwhitaker.com/vision-health/

      I’m not going any further.

      • RBE

        Who need’s actual science to back up your claims when you can just assert things and your intended audience just swallows it wholesale?

      • Snake Plissken

        The CCHR branding certifies it to be a fairytale

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        The Mini Fuhrer is happy to use those SP doctors as long as they’re willing to slap their name, title and reputation on Co$ bullshit so he can sell it as “legitimate”

        Karma will not be kind to DM. (F5)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          He is happy to ask the Court to order Laura DeCrecenzo to be seen by a psychiatrist to prove that she wasn’t really coerced into having an abortion at age 17.

      • Eivol Ekdal
        • ReallyMGM

          Tin foil eyeball time!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      OMG, great response!

    • Juicer77

      Just once I’d wish a full-on mach 10 panic attack on this @ss. Then let him say it’s made up.

      • Sherbet

        I’m hyperventilating just thinking about that.

        • Juicer77

          Lived with it all my life. There are very few people I would wish this sort of spectacular hell on. Mr. Wood-for-brains is one.

          • Sherbet

            Isn’t it a relief to have some pea brain scientologist tell us there’s no such condition, and it requires no psych poison pills to keep a non-existent disease at bay?

            • Juicer77

              I feel so much better now!

            • Sherbet

              Me, too. //flushing the Paxil down the toilet//

    • April

      The symptoms of mental illness have been described as long as recorded history (4,000+ years), yet it has only been in the last century that we’ve been able to develop drugs to treat the symptoms.

  • ElleGee

    AHW and now Tony @ LipTV! I better stock up on my coffee and liquor! 😉 Great job Tony and congrats to you!

  • Mark

    Excellent news, Tony! Does this mean you’re moving back to LA, or will you be telecommuting?
    (F5):

    • Sherbet

      Is an “arbilla” a little tree? I don’t speak Spanish.

      • Mark

        Ardilla = squirrel 🙂

        • Sherbet

          Oh. Gracias.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Arbilla + Ardilla = chubbo squirrel.

    • TonyOrtega

      One does not simply move an Underground Bunker. Especially one with recalcitrant cats.

      • Recalcitrant? That’s not even a word. Now excuse me I have some businesses to do…

      • Mark

        Ah. Quite. One had forgotten the cats: mine is not only recalcitrant but insubordinate (especially when playing the game of “I’m far more interesting than the Internet”).

        • Juicer77

          You are operating above your station, good sir. The cats cannot possibly be insubordinate to a lower rank! Now open a fresh can! Chop chop!

          • Mark

            Can?! She turns her nose up at mere tinned moggy meat—gourmet pouches or nothing!

            • ReallyMGM

              I put a pink furry cat bed in Lily’s beloved cat tree. She refused to get in it for 6 months after I removed it.

            • Juicer77

              I do most sincerely Beg Her Pardon 🙂

      • Frodis73

        Yes, cats do NOT like to move…at all. My cat was pissed at me for two months when I first moved to Cleveland 10+ yrs ago.

        • Kestrel

          MUST…RESIST…MOVE…TO…CLEVELAND…JOKE.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Wait. Are we saying that Tony has his own Bunker version of Scientology Media Productions? He has his own TV station, his own KCET! Captain “Blackheart” “Let Him Die” David Miscavige just lost out to Tony again?

    • Snake Plissken

      The one that Tony works for isn’t a prop used for fundraising it actually produces and broadcasts shows

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Well, it is true that @ Lip TV is real and #Scientology is fake – we have not seen the new KCET in action but we do understand they will have no content, no broadcasting licenses, etc.

        • MaxSpaceman

          WKSW will have unlimited content. They’ll run that content on cable-satellite systems in Columbia, Hungary, Denmark, Taiwan, Italy, Switzerland and all around the world. They’ll have talk shows and run the millions of videos they’ve produced.

          They will make deals on systems everywhere. And IAS and whales and whatever-he-has-his-hands-on will pay for it.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Okay so they need to pay for space on these systems?

            • MaxSpaceman

              There are so many different deals content providers can arrange to be carried by systems. Especially the marginal providers like WKSW will be. In New York, for example, they could get onto Time Warner for free, on the 3 Manhattan Cable local cable stations. There will be deals like all around the world. And in some areas, they will pay. And the whales will foot the bill.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Thanks Max. I guess it is pretty complicated. NYT Magazine cover story Sunday was about changes in TV viewership patterns.

  • Congrats, Tony!!!

  • nottrue
    • Sookie Sookie

      Whoa! What happened to International “Justice” Chief, Mike Ellis? Isn’t he supposed to be a declared person’s only “terminal?” (I feel like making the *spit, spit* gesture for using the made-up Sci words.)

    • Sherbet

      What a joke.

      • Snake Plissken

        Honestly, everything about the Scientology Crime Syndicate is a complete and utter joke, and knowing that someone in a fake navy costume type that out makes it even that much more pathetic.

        • Sherbet

          Cara should word clear “justice” if she’s going to use it as part of her title.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I would love to have someone who still thinks Ronnie was wonderful, how can they use the word “ethical” to condone any of the nefarious actions Ron did privately, or the GO did against so many people?

            • Sherbet

              I think they believe the non-sci world simply does not deserve fair treatment. It’s a private and special club they belong to.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Its all shitty shitty shit.
              You dont get to redefine words just because you think you are “special.”

            • Sherbet

              lrh said they could, and miscavige kept that going, and, yes, they continue to make their own rules. So far. It’s going to end.

          • richelieu jr

            Better to do a clay model, Sherbet– Bullshit is so easy to sculpt.

        • tracsar

          Has any top genuine Army brass ever gone after them for that? Impersonating a soldier can get people in a lot of trouble.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Classy. SMFH

      Paging Judge Whittemore, Judge Whittemore to the Bunker Courtesy Phone.

    • Sid

      “Dear Cara,
      Since this violates your terms with the IRS I believe that they are the terminal I need to communicate with next.

      Suck it.”

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        No shit. I read this earlier at Rinder’s and was considering shooping this letter onto a silver platter and sending it to the IRS!

      • Andrew Robertson

        ****** W A R N I N G ******

        How odd. The above post has my name and avatar attached but I never made it.

        I hope whoever the faker is stops doing it, and that it doesn’t become a habit to do this to other posters.

        Andrew

        • Sookie Sookie

          Andrew, the post you’re replying to shows as regular commenter “Sid” in my browser. Is that the one you’re talking about? Disqus has been freaking out for a lot of us today – maybe that’s what’s going on?

        • Andrew Robertson

          Interesting…I refreshed and the post is now correctly attributed to Sid!

          Perhaps DISQUS is having indigestion?

          Andrew

          • Eclipse-girl

            Yes Disgust is behaving very badly today.
            It won’t get dessert after dinner

            I thought you were making a joke, liking what Sid said

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Irritable disqus syndrome?
            Diverticulisgus?
            Edit: Colisgus

            • ReallyMGM

              It needs some Prilosec or psych meds.

        • Sid

          It sounds like it was just a Disqus glitch, but just in case it wasn’t and I’m becoming Andrew Robertson, will I be a bit taller? And what kind of car will I be driving?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      nottrue is there a date on this? how ridiculous of course.

      • nottrue

        Brand new letter.Clip the link above it

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          oh thanks! that link didn’t show up at first. Wow.

    • Snake Plissken
    • George Layton

      If you think about this scientogically it all becomes clear.

      • Eclipse-girl

        They are lying thieves?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I’ll translate for those who don’t speak Scilon.
      Who is Eligible for a Refund?
      Members in Good Standing.
      What does it take to be a member in Good Standing?
      That you are willing to give more money to the church or you are will to help get others to give money but most importantly that you do not want money from the church.

      • richelieu jr

        This is the very definition of a ‘Catch 22’

    • Robert Hammond

      Can someone send a copy of that letter to the Garcias and their attorneys?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Discus is really really weird. I did not post this comment. “Can someone send a copy of that letter to the Garcias and their attorneys?”

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Robert a few minutes ago Discus said I posted that comment, Things are getting too weird.

    • the contributions themselves were somehow ‘religious’ … THAT is new concept, but it kindah makes sense, when your God is Money.

    • RK

      So, to avoid any refund, the Church of Scientology merely has to declare the person and excommunicate them. So much for any pretense of having an arbitration process available to all.

  • Vaquera

    I was the first one in the room. Sitting front and center with all of the Bunker peeps.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Did you hear me? I was the body thetan stomping on your shoulder and pulling your hair.
      I was a little giddy. 😉

  • nottrue
    • Sherbet

      Never mind Llywelyn…what about those Kimye embryos?

      • Observer

        ThetanElron is still deciding which one he wants to inhabit.

        • Eclipse-girl

          ThetanElron deserves those two as parents.

  • RBE
  • tracsar

    With the Bunker here and everything else he does, and now the new job.. Does Tony ever sleep?

    • Eclipse-girl

      NO, he does not.

  • flyonthewall

    Does the Jolly Green Giant sleep? Does Chef Boyardee sleep? When they’re tired I guess, I forgot my point

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Chef Boyardee eats a lot of pasta, I imagine he sleeps. Or at least naps.

      • flyonthewall

        he naps during his weekly life sustaining blood transfusions. My original comment was meant to be a reply to tracsar btw but I guess it works just as well on its own

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Disqus has been acting a fool for me today too. We need to check on the hamster wheels.

          • flyonthewall

            the cats may have gotten desperate after being on that ridiculous banana diet I cooked up and eaten the hamsters. U guys never should have let me do that btw, idk what u were thinking

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Yeah, we were truly slacking. Won’t happen again.

              *shackles your ankles*

            • One Human

              With the fault finding, I’m wondering if your trying to become COB..

            • Rasha

              I was told you could answer this for me, what exactly is a “stent”, and why do I now set off airport screeners?

            • flyonthewall

              i do not know but i shall use all my investigative powers to find out

        • Jimmy3

          Disqus has been especially screwy today. Something is up.
          Earlier I checked my own profile and somehow got some lady’s comments asking someone else about medical advice.
          I told her all she needed was to eat more Corn Flakes. I’m not a docter btw.

          • flyonthewall

            sound advise, it has never failed me

          • flyonthewall

            oh that reminds me, my mother still can’t move her left arm and is starting to slur her words. It’s been 3 days now and she’s eaten like 5 boxes of corn flakes and nothing else. Umm, I don’t mean to be a nervous Nelly but should I take her to a hospital or something you think?

          • Sid

            Does that mean the prescription you wrote for me won’t be good?

            • Hey, that’s not me!

            • Sid

              Another Disqus glitch or am I really becoming Nat? I’m having an identity crisis.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Huh? WTF is going on? It says Sid for me, not Nat.

        • tracsar

          Disqus is all kinds of weird today.

          • flyonthewall

            psychs, marcabs, communists, any and all are to blame

            • One Human

              Merchants of chaos.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Discus posted a comment under my name that I did not post!!!

  • nottrue
    • Eclipse-girl

      Ed does not say if his life has changed for the better.

      I love Lucille

      • Robert Hammond

        By “changed” he may mean “destroyed.”

      • SarahDB

        So snarky!

        • Observer

          Exquisitely so!

      • flyonthewall

        “the” Ed? lol, that’s funny the E-girl

    • flyonthewall

      where the heck has lucy been? Did she even fill out a CSW? She’s so toast

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Good point. She blew. This means she is in lower conditions at a minimum!!!!

        • flyonthewall

          probably went on vaca with her blow up Earnhart Jr doll. Lucky doll

        • A Guest (aka Cars)

          Nope. She got sent OTR (over the rainbow). Promoted to CO I/C of the Bunker’s Twitterverse Snark.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            I was just thinking about you about an hour ago…NO SHIT. Will you PLEASE go back to “Cars”.
            I am begging.

            • Cars

              Good grief! I just got here and haven’t even unpacked yet and you’re not the boss of me and… and…

              OK. OK. Consider it done.

              Now, may I do anything else for you? Anything? Anything at all? Don’t be shy…

              <3

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’d like a sandwich

            • Cars

              Ask Rasha above. Everything in the Bunker iis getting air-nailed down due to Tony’s new job or something. I’ll check the snack bar for you – it might not be too late. Apparently the coffee machine is already a goner.

              Just don’t ask me for a Bunker cat or dog. Rasha’s gotten to them already I’m afraid.

            • Juicer77

              I think she’s in the corner, hugging a cat and wiping her eyes on its fur.

            • Rasha

              (shhhBAP shhhBAP shhhhBAP) Beer’s done! Whew! Someone say Cheetos? Juicer! You’re stuck over there! Throw me a clip!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Actually, Cheetos and beer would be nice 😉

              Edit: I am so excited you are here.

              Edit: Why does disqus say I am talking to myself…….Hmmmm?
              I sound kinda egocentric now.

            • A bird in the chimney

              Cheetos and a beer sounds like the perfect snack for a pre-naptime toddler. ;]

            • Eclipse-girl

              i got some cheese popcorn

            • Cars

              Sorry, I’m exhausted from travelling back to the Bunker (from Target Two) these past 4 months. Gimme a break.

              Ok. Ok. I’ve left Tacos and booze on your nightstand. No chocolate on your pillow, though.

              P.S. That lump on your bed is the lovely swan I had hoped to make out of your towel.

            • Eclipse-girl

              This just happened to Andrew.
              This appears as ME – Eclipse – on my screen

            • Cars

              Disqus never changes, it seems… except for the worse. It’s messed with me all day as well.

              If you keep refreshing the page it seems to right itself up – eventually.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              That is what makes it fun. It is like………….”musical chairs”.

              I want to be Marty!!!

            • Cars

              Be my quest. Poof! You’re Marty.

              And I’m in charge of the boom box. (You’re screwed, now.)

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              You know me so well!
              ((((hugs))))

              And I HUG no one, ya’ hear!!!

            • Cars

              Well then… I hug no one, either.

              So, here’s a kiss instead. But NO tongue! See, I do know you so well.

              Thank you for that welcoming bear hug. Right back at you.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              You said ‘Bear’….You get another hug for somehow knowing the secret handshake!
              I am perplexed!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              LOL!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Right?

            • Cars

              Sweet Jesus Mother of Xenu! I’m more than perplexed now.

              Forget about it. In addition to getting another hug, what’s the real prize?

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              You just got inducted to the “bear” club. And you didn’t even mean it.
              😉

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Yay secret handshake!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *hugs you and runs*

              😀

            • Hi Cars 🙂

            • Cars

              Dodo, Dodo, Dodo…. *jumping up and down with joyous delight*

              Hi!

            • Eclipse-girl

              He has that affect on people

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Hi Cars, I like that name better too! Missed ya.

            • Cars

              It seems I had little choice in the matter. Miss Bossy Pants made me do it the minute I got here, along with various other chores. Sheesh.

              I can’t help but smile back at that lovely smile in your avatar. So nice to see you again.

          • noseinabk

            Good to see you back Cars!!!

            • Cars

              Thank you. Good to see you! I’m delighted you are still around. It’s heartwarming to see so many familiar faces (avatars).

      • kemist

        It’s a conspiracy of the pantsless robots.

      • Robert Hammond

        Has she seemed a little bit touchy lately?.

        • Sookie Sookie

          LOL! If this ever happens, I will be shocked. And my Arrested Development fantasies will be shattered.

          • Eclipse-girl

            It a reference to a running joke of Lucille telling scientologists / volunteer minister to stop TOUCHING people

            • Sookie Sookie

              I know – it always makes me laugh 😉

            • Eclipse-girl

              me too

        • Lucille Austero

          Ha, I just got your joke (after reading down a bit)!!

        • flyonthewall

          get her ostrich! get that b#@$!

        • Lucille Austero

          Awesome!!!!9

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Hope the delete thing worked out. If not sorry F5

  • outraged

    Please ‘scuse if already posted — a thinly veiled fiction summer beach reading book just came out that supposedly is about Tom and Katie. The cult is called One Cell. heh.

    http://www.amazon.com/Movie-Lizzie-Pepper-Hilary-Liftin/dp/0670016411/?tag=pagesix-20

  • Rasha

    Disqus is acting weird. I’ve been gone for only another 492 Ortegas, and when I get back, it says Tony’s got a new job, or something. Ha! Crazy Disqus! Ha, well, I’ll just be… over.. here….. air-nailing… …Bunker sofa cushions…… down……..(shhhBAP…. shhhBAP… shhhhBAP)

    • Robert Hammond

      I know, right? It only takes an Ortega for everything to change.

    • Juicer77

      It’s ok, Rasha. I don’t think the Bunker is going anywhere for a good long while. Put down the air nailer and back away slowly… 🙂

      • Rasha

        I… I..haha… yes, I.. I suppose you’re right. Ha ha…. WAIT! JUST THIS COFFEE MACHINE!! (SHHBAPSHHHBAPSHHBAPSHHBAP)

        • Juicer77

          THAT WAS MY FOOT!!!!!!! OWWWWWWWWWW!!!! Lol

          • Rasha

            Oh, jeeze. Totally my bad. Sorry, Juicer! Here, if it’ll make you feel better, I’ll do mine — ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhBAP!!! GRRRRPPPHHHMMMM!!!!

  • Toni m

    Happy and proud that Mr. Ortega is now part of the family of The Lip TV. Congratulations.

    • Good to hear from you again, Toni m.

      • Toni m

        I’m always here. Listening and learning from the post and the comments. Being happy for the good news and loving every effort that many made to stop this cult from hurting more people. Glad your absence wasn’t to long. Sorry if I was ridiculous with the song I found for you. After Dear Cap died I feel sorry that he didn’t know how important he was for me. It is very sad that we hold to tell somebody how we feel about them until they are gone and can’t hear us anymore.

        You, the other guys and the beautiful ladies are important part of this site. And of course Mr Ortega, sometimes he is a little stubborn, “I don’t call them a cult”, but who is perfect? and he is doing so much for so long that this little imperfection means nothing. He deserves to be loved and admire for his hard and brave work.
        Be happy, is the best revenge, I really think that dm goes crazy when he knows that outside scio many of the ex’s are thriving.

  • Robert Hammond

    Congrats to Tony on your new position as Executive Editor at TheLipTV. Will you also be continuing as Executive Editor at The Raw Story?

    • Sherbet

      Below, he implied no.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Tony made it sound like he could not do both jobs well, at once.

      • Rasha

        Chyeah. Right.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Congrats, Tony! You have a persona that is perfect for TV..

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      And a face too…but don’t tell him that.
      I don’t want his head to explode into a cheese wedge.

      He is already cranky enough when the cats don’t let him get enough sleep.

      • Eclipse-girl

        the man does not sleep

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          I know!

          • Eclipse-girl

            psst : on saturday night –
            Aslan and I waited to make sure Obs got her taxi.
            I walked Aslan to the parking garage.
            Then I walked to the hotel
            (A pace of about 3 block – all very well lit – in an happening place of Chicago)
            Tony had left us a while earlier.
            One I go back to the the hotel, I wrote up my thoughts because I knew others needed to know
            I thought Tony O was asleep but he was not.

            He responded to my long debrief laughing at the thought he would be asleep.
            It was very eerie.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Yep.
              We understand. I do wonder if he is going to keel over sometimes.
              But then, I am a sleep wuss. You deny me sleep and I turn into …well…David Miscavige?.
              It is not pretty or productive. But it feels really good in the moment.

              Ok, Ok…I am not proud of this ‘issue’.

            • Missionary Kid

              If my ex was awoken before she thought she should be, or before she had her first cup of coffee and a cigarette in the morning, she was a dragon with PMS. I at least taught our kids that they needn’t follow her example, and that I expected civility in the morning. I believe the lesson took.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Dragon…I like it.
              sounds familiar 😉

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Sounds like me and mate, oh boy can relate.

            • Missionary Kid

              Which one wakes up grumpy?

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I was the grumpy, He helped lovingly (like a ritual and I loved it) pull me out of bed and a hug, but no real talk till coffee was had to wake up my mind. Guess I just hated to get up and face the world as sleep was so nice and peaceful. A dragon, yes. glad your kids are different.

            • Missionary Kid

              A hug, to her, would be provocation. You’re an angel in comparison. I actually feel sorry for her present hubby.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Oh my, provocation, good she’s gone to another. You deserve the best and to be happy.

            • Missionary Kid

              My reaction now is, “I was married to her?

  • Next thing you know, Tony is in charge of HBO TV thingy. SPs are not supposed to succeed in life. What the hell?

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      “SPs are not supposed to succeed in life.”

      But, Dodo? It has worked for Tiny fists!!!

      • Missionary Kid

        *Hooting and hollering with laughter.*

    • Sid

      Do you think he’d even want HBO? With that rampant cancelation by 13 Scientogists when HBO showed Going Clear it must be a mere skeleton of its former self.

  • nottrue
    • Juicer77

      *snort*

    • flyonthewall

      fun fact – i know a guy who is building that stadium. Not really that fun but nonetheless a fact

  • RK

    The Truth Rundown end product is very similar to someone who is living in an abusive environment – really abusive such as being beaten or subjected to severe emotional abuse by a domestic partner, for example. The victim ends up believing that they are at fault for the abuse, that they must have done something to have set the person off or has a flaw and somehow deserving of the abusive treatment. I remember this in myself vividly. I was convinced of my glaring flaws, with no hope. Somehow I rose above this and was able to disentangle myself from Scientology. With these blinders off, I have trouble remembering moments of true happiness as a member.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Thank you RK. Nice to have the input. This is such a creepy part of the scam.

      Can I ask a question…If you had to think back…do you remember anything past the first few courses that really made you feel good?

      • RK

        The Communications Course definitely. And I really liked reading a New Slant on Life that went over some basic ideas. Maybe my first auditing – mainly some addressing some stuff that was bothering me and some objective processes that I now see as the introduction and encouragement to practice mindfulness. The Student Hat was interesting to me since I was in school, but I was already a engaged and good student. But other than that, I’d say no, all I remember is the grind and struggle to maintain an enthusiastic attitude. Some things were common sense, but were consistently not used around me. There seemed to be some sort of scale of importance regarding the data that I never learned. As I got further along, I felt that my self-determination was being undermined slowly but surely. No happiness in that.

        • Missionary Kid

          You did well to keep your wits about you while your essence was being attacked and they were trying to remold you in LRH’s image.

          • MaxSpaceman

            and the unspoken but conveyed instruction from your scilon peers is, as RK put it, “… the grind and struggle to maintain an enthusiastic attitude…” is backbreaking.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hence, the rictus grin of the hypnotized clams. It is the result of trying to maintain that enthusiasm.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          This does tend to follow the pattern though. Interesting.

    • Missionary Kid

      IMO, being in $cientology is being partnered with someone abusive. It seems to me that people making it out have the same symptoms of an abused spouse.

      The Truth Rundown is simply concentrated abuse, while trapping a person with no means of escape.

      • skiesareblue

        Exactly. A cult of one.

    • Ruby

      This is a very important post. Thank you, RK.
      It is the teaching in the cherch of “I am cause” taken to the black extreme of having to assume that you caused the action of the abuser. Only it is all put inside a pretty package so you accept it.
      Very covert and very harmful.

  • Vaquera

    WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW!!!!!!!
    JAMIE DE WOLF!!!!!!!!!!!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Just finished up? Is that it for the evening?

      • Vaquera

        A short break and then finishing up the evening with Gerry Armstrong.

        Words fail me in describing Jamie’s performance. Could not do it justice. Trust me, you just have to watch it..and again and again. So very impressive.

        • Eclipse-girl

          It was filmed?

          • Vaquera

            Yes, just like the rest of the week. The stuff about LRH and Nibs was pretty dark, but he ended with a piece about his daughter that put Pan and I in tears of laughter. OMG, soooooooo good!

            • tracsar

              Oh that will be amazing to see. What an extraordinary performer he is.. and what a life he’s had.

    • SP Wogsy

      *jumping up and down*

      • Vaquera

        On a couch?

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          ba da bing

        • Sid

          Whip fast.

  • flyonthewall

    speak of the pantsless robot and she will appear

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I think she employs Snarky Spy Service with her Big Pharma checks. 🙂

    • Lucille Austero

      *waves*

      • flyonthewall

        missed u. How was vaca w/Jr?

  • Jimmy3

    I think maple-flavored, high fructose corn-havin’ syrup is just as good as real maple syrup. My waffles agree.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Stop it and go back to your room

      • Jimmy3

        Sorry I don’t know what’s going on today.
        There are impostor accounts all over spreading corn syrup propaganda

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Spais from Monsanto?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You ought sprinkle on Bacon Bits. Why have the real thing when you can have an artificial, freeze dried impostor, ya know?

    • Jimmy3

      Wtf? Stfu impostor

    • flyonthewall

      I WHOLE-HEARTEDLY AGREE!!!!!!!! ñfkĝñggjfjfnfddjfjffhfdds!

    • ShevilKat

      Give me Aunt Jemima, or give me death.

      • Missionary Kid

        My Swedish pancakes, rolled around lingonberries beat Aunt Jemima, but I’m prejudiced.

        It was always funny to have kids overnight, and to fix Swedish pancakes for them in the morning. They’d say, “I can eat a dozen of those,” not realizing that they’re much more dense than Aunt Jemima. They usually stopped at 3 or less, but some managed 4.

        • A bird in the chimney

          Swedish pancakes with lingonberries–now you’re talking! 🙂

        • ShevilKat

          Hey,, I loves me some Swedish pancakes, but I can’t even pronounce longinbingers.

  • I’m not saying all the things being posted by “natleficent” today! Someone is impersonating me and im very unhappy about it!

    • Sid

      How do we know you’re the real Nat?

      • This isn’t a joke 🙁

        • flyonthewall

          gtfo 4 rlz?

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Yes, Disqus is acting weird. I’m out for the night. Have a good night fly (and all Bunkeroos), stay away from the bananas. 😛

            • flyonthewall

              *waves*

        • Sid

          If you refresh again it should clear it up. This is jimmy3 saying this.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Nat it cleared up for me when I refreshed. Also when I clicked on my avatar it didn’t show up in my discus stream.

    • Jimmy3

      Really? That’s… Too bad.. I kinda want to meet the impostor.

      • Rasha

        Well, Juicer and I are air-nailed to the floor, so we’re set… everyone else, though………

        • Juicer77

          WHAT? I CAN’T HEAR YOU! I’M NAILED TO THE FLOOR OVER HERE IN THE FRICKIN’ CORNER!

          • Rasha

            Wait, I’ll get — aigh, I nailed down the pry-bar. Lemme… urgh…..

            TOOONNNYYYYY!!!!!!!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Nat that happened to me also – Discus posted a comment under my name that I did not post.

    • flyonthewall

      wait a sec, this means I can say whatever I want no matter how crass or stupid and….oh nevermind, I already do that

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Err. No. We are watching you.

        • flyonthewall

          u n what army?

          • Matt in Atlanta

            Flag.Land based.

            • flyonthewall

              i’m glad, u guys r sorely lacking in entertainment

        • Sid

          Yeah, we get a direct feed from OSA on fly.

    • Juicer77

      Disqus is having some issues, but don’t count out any funny business.

  • Eclipse-girl

    cool emojis

  • Juicer77

    Smart move, LipTV, opening an East Coast branch with Tony at the helm. Looking forward to some terrific programming!

  • Vaquera

    “Following Jamie is, of course, a trip.”
    -Gerry Armstrong

  • Robert Hammond

    Good to see you, Lucille. Thanks for touching base. Love the celebratory emoji.

  • Frodis73

    Public message to E-girl.
    I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That is all…carry on Bunker Bugs.

    • Juicer77

      Seconded. Don’t worry… be happy.

      • Thirded. And Tony was super cool by letting all the water
        be gone Under the bridge to total freedom, or something.

        • Juicer77

          Ok, can’t believe I’m doing this, but… here is the embarrassing pic I wasn’t going to share. Just to make E-girl feel better. Too many margaritas and too much fun with the Bunkeroos. Tony is like, “Get this drunk woman off me.” LOL

          • Vaquera

            Crawling into his lap?

            • Juicer77

              You’re just mad ‘cuz I shoved you out of the way. xoxo

            • Vaquera

              Yes. Yes I am and don’t you think I’m ever going to forget it.

          • Finally! Such a great photo!

          • Frodis73

            Awww! I love this!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Tony looks pretty happy there!

            • Juicer77

              Honestly we took a couple others that were much more dignified but my flash was turned off, so he said, wait do a good one, grabbed my phone and tried to turn on the flash, to which I told him to gimme the phone dumbass, or some such. The memory is a little hazy. He may have me barred from future Bunker events.

            • Supper Powers

              I think you have enough Bunker Credits that you get a pass.

          • Supper Powers

            It’s good to let your joy out!

            • Juicer77

              We had such a good time. A bunch of us moved to the bar and stayed almost until closing time. Dibythesea and her friend and I shared a drunken cab ride home. Good times.

            • Supper Powers

              Good call. See, that’s one thing people need to remember. If you call for a cab after, anything remotely embarrassingly is canceled out because you made one excellent call. Glad you had big fun!

            • Dibythesea

              I have a pic of you me and Vaquera!

          • Vaquera

            I’m tempted to post the pic of the three of us.
            I shouldn’t make rash decisions after cocktails.

            • Juicer77

              I would LOVE to see it but don’t if you’re nervous. I can give you my email in another thread.

            • Vaquera

              I didn’t send it to you?

            • Juicer77

              Nope.

            • Vaquera

              Are you on twitter? You can private message it to me.

            • Juicer77

              No, I don’t tweet. I’ll reply with my email elsewhere…

            • DO IT 🙂 Please?!

          • When we were in NYC, I was like – hey Tony, let’s take a group photo or something. He was like – sure, later, bud. Never happened. I bummed to this day about it. 🙂 It was a busy night, to be fair. Next time I will buy him a beer and ambush him with a Russian hug and a GoPro camera. Joking, I think.

            • Juicer77

              Noooooooooooo….. Any chance you can get to DC in July? I promise to be sober.

            • Rasha

              I think the hipster PI may be looking for some work….

            • Juicer77

              Forgot to say… I will take one of those Russian hugs!

            • You got it. They are almost as good as Aqua’s hugs. 🙂

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Oh shit sweetie…….this is awesome.

            OK, full disclosure……….Denise Brennan needed to “pour me into the car” in Connecticut and take my drunk ass back to the Red Roof Inn and keep my ass out of trouble in 2013.

            At Patty’s awesome SP party. 😉

            MMMHHHH: I miss Denise. She rocked. I wish I had had the chance to know her better.

            • Supper Powers

              Love it!

            • Juicer77

              Awwww…. Great story. What a sweetheart she must have been.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              I have a great picture of her boobs. She was trying to take a pic of me and Purple Rain and she accidently photographed her own boobies.
              EPIC. What a peach she was.

            • Juicer77

              XD
              I bet she laughed harder than anyone!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Oh hell yes she did!!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              She truly was an amazing soul.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Me too, but am so very happy we had the special chance to meet her.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Exactly. What a great time we had!

            • Ruby

              Sweet memory to cherish. 🙂

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            You are too cute, Juicer!!!!

            • She is even cuter, IRL.

            • Juicer77

              Aw, shucks…

          • skiesareblue

            Happiness!

          • Eclipse-girl

            it is a great photo and not embarrassing in the least

          • Allie

            Great photo, Juicer, and great squeeze of Tony. We’re all jelly.

            • Juicer77

              Have to admit, he’s eminently squeezable 🙂

          • Ruby

            LOVE this!

          • ReallyMGM

            Cute!

  • RK
  • Okay, it was just disqus confusing me with sid. I’m casting a protective spell over myself and leaving till this clears up though. No me gusta this kind of crap.

  • A bird in the chimney

    This bunker bug went to dinner and then had some things to catch up on and I return to a board in chaos. And people nailed to the floor. I think I need to paint a hex sign and hang it on disqus.

    • Rasha

      I’LL NAIL IT UP FOR YA!!!!!

      • A bird in the chimney

        EXCELLENT (why are we yelling?)!

        • Rasha

          Good point. Little carried away. I’m good now. I could use a kitteh.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            do. not. nail. kitteh. to. floor.

            • Rasha

              …promise….

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’ve got my red, hypno eyes on you, nail gun princess.

            • Juicer77

              Will somebody please unfasten me from the floor before the lights get turned off and everyone leaves?

            • Rasha

              aaaannndddd…..(creeeaakkkk)…THERE ya go! Sorry about all that. You should be fine. The coffee machine will need some attention, but I think everything’s pretty well secure. Close one, huh?

            • Juicer77

              Pshew. Thanks!

            • Rasha

              (slowly pockets extra clip) ssmmmiiillleeeeeee…….

    • erventing eis okeay

      • A bird in the chimney

        What this comment tells me: I need more wine.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          That is a bingo!!!!

          OK, now I miss Howdy ….again. ;-(

          • A bird in the chimney

            Come and choose your prize!

            I’m always missing Howdy, but that also means he’s always remembered.

            • Juicer77

              To say someone’s name means they live again. So the ancient Egyptians said.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              There is a theory that all energy is connected and that you take on “pieces” or shards of the consciousness of people you know/love.

              Like a drop of water in a pond. The drop scatters into the whole of the pond…., but it becomes part of the whole and is forever part of the “DNA” of it.

              That is just a simple explanation for a collective conciousness.
              But I like it.
              Makes me happy.

            • A bird in the chimney

              I like that too. 🙂

              And, think of the wonderful havoc the combined Bunker consciousness does now and will continue to wreak.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I don’t even like the stuff, but lets have a sip of potato juice in honor him this weekend, what do you think?

            • Sherbet

              In August, when Tony’s in Boston, and we’re all eating, post-talk, that’s the first thing I want to do, raise a toast to Howdy. Especially because it’s Boston.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sounds perfect. We ought to make a special drink called Howdy’s shrunken head or something. Howdy’s shark bait maybe…

            • Sherbet

              Shark bait sounds perfect.

            • Eileen

              Howdy’s clam juice

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Howdy’s chowda. Clams and potatoes!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              i want to sponsor that round!

            • Davka

              I wonder where it’s going to be? I keep thinking we shoukd have a drink at some iconic bar near Kenmore Square or in Cambridge – near lots of loud punk-rock-like music.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Yes.

        • Ayes anf mroe breear, hehahe, hiccupe… :-))

          • A bird in the chimney

            Yay breear! But don’t drive anywhere young man. And take a few aspirin with a tall glass of water before bed.

  • ReallyMGM

    Wow! I didn’t know emojis worked here. Never tried.

  • nottrue

    Woo this ain’t no Bar….

    • Look at that wall. Thank you…

      • Juicer77

        No, no! LOOK at it, don’t PEE on it!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        That looks like some Tone 40 urination right there.

        • Touch that wall. Thank you. It’s from GAT 3, bro.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Hopefully up next is not Shat 3. That’ll get messy.

    • Rasha

      “I’m ex-exter….I-(hic) I’m exteriororing…izig….I’m……. phfew….I (hic) … hold on…… guhnight. Cool wall, man(urp).Buhbye.”

  • Mockingbird

    Please note : Fleet Admiral David ” miscellaneous true horrific crime ” Miscavige has reacted to Tony Ortega’s announcement with a series of ecclesiastical beatings and by assigning several OSA teams to utterly ruining Lip TV . Operation return Tommy Davis is a go – he must get Tony Ortega to flip out on TV .

    And another team has been activated from the private religious reeducation retreat where they enjoy the Truth Rundown. Reeducated and refreshed they are ready to take their gaunt gray bodies and eyes aglaze with unblinking determination and minds free from doubt with unwavering certainty to ruin Tony Ortega utterly.

    He has graduated to SP target number one. Congratulations.

    • Rasha

      I’ll get the popcorn!!!

  • new post up http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/9-celebrities-who-hated-scientology.html

    also here’s a pic that just sums up scientology [Narconon] and is actually part of a caption competition at DListed.com … if someone comes up with a good one I’ll post it on my next blog

  • Betsy

    Hi, all…

    I HAVE to crash a bit early tonight, so I’m going to write a quick report, since other Bunkerites are all downstairs gearing up for Gerry Armstrong’s end-of-day talk. Jamie de Wolfe talked earlier and people are still jiggling with excitement.

    This morning Chris Shelton re-enacted many of the TRs with Christian Szurko as “pre-clear,” while Steve Hassan and Jon Atack commented. It’s clear that the TRs are intended to produce trance-states and high suggestibility. This series of explanations and re-enactments was riveting. Several of us who had lunch were discussing what we had learned and trading information.

    The afternoon was hard, though: the focus was on the lives of 2nd generation members, people who spent their childhoods in Co$-related situations that were intended to culminate in their joining the Sea Org. Nora Crest gave a talk about her childhood that had many of us in tears. PLEASE see the trailer she has produced called “Scientology: from Cradle to Slave.” I defy anyone to view it without being shocked and moved. Her talk was brave and unforgettable and she is determined that her children and others not go through what she endured.

    Chris Shelton followed up by telling about his own childhood experiences with parents who had joined Scientology.

    It was impossible to hear about these things without feeling anger and the fierce desire to be involved in trying to prevent the suffering of more generations of children at the hands of this organization.

    Tory contributed to the topic of the day by recounting Scientology’s efforts to convince her that she needed to “deal with” her epilepsy so that Dianetics could “cure” her. Her mother saved her life by refusing to sacrfice her daughter to Scientology. Parents MUST do these things…as Jon Atack noted, children who are denied protection and sympathy may actually be pushed into a kind of autism, an inability to feel emotions or trust, if parents are willing to sacrifice them to the self-serving ideas of people like Hubbard or other narcissistic power-seekers.

    The afternoon finished with a video made by Lawrence Wollersheim about his experiences in his decades of fighting for justice in the courts. He had advice for any who hope to bring Scientology to account for its criminal activities. I hope that the Garcias and others are availing themselves of the legal material Wollersheim accumulated in his years of effort…the more people who refuse to back down, the better for the world.

    There’s plenty more to tell about today’s conference activities, but Pan Ab and others who are still in fighting trim downstairs will have to fill everyone in. There are two days to go at this historic event and I think everyone here is conscious of being part of something of great importance. Jesse Prince was outside the hall a short while ago and he told me that he had learned enormous amounts by listening to others from his time and later. Considering that he was present during Hubbard’s years as well as the time after his death and involved at the highest levels, his comment is significant. I get the impression that all ex-members are greatly moved by this opportunity to tell their stories in full at long last. And as a never-in I feel profoundly honored to be part of this experience.

    OK, take care of the Bunker, and know that we are all in this together. I can’t imagine that anyone who has been here will forget our obligations to the children of the future…humans who are NOT “adults in small bodies” but beings to cherish and protect from people like Hubbard.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Thanks as always, Betsy. Your summaries of the day are greatly appreciated! Get some rest and sweet dreams. 🙂

    • Always Amazed

      Thanks Betsy, sleep tight.

    • Sid

      Great summary. Thanks.

    • MaxSpaceman

      “From Cradle to Slave” ——-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIm_OEgun7s

    • EmmaDaoust

      To Jesse’s comment – I was saying to someone today, that everyone getting together this week telling of their experiences, comparing notes is akin to the story of the 10 blind men each describing the elephant.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you, Betsy!

    • Graham

      Thanks Betsy. Every time I see the name Wollersheim I think of the Scientologists’ battle cry “Not one thin dime for Wollersheim”. Not one thin dime? HA! the bunch of losers ended up having to give him millions (And rightly so too).

  • Robert Hammond

    Bush and Clinton running for President. Jurassic Park is #1 at the box office. The Terminator coming soon to theaters. What year is?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Alright, Robert, don’t be like Hubs and claim that as your own. You know you saw it somewhere else first. 😉

      • Robert Hammond

        I heard someone else say they saw it on Facebook. I don’t know where it started but I won’t take credit.

        • I knew it’s from FB! Still funny though.

          • Robert Hammond

            Add the fact of Diddy arrested and Suge Knight in jail. Deja vu all over again. What if Disqus is really a time machine?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Sounds like hearsay to me. Facebook can be nattery like that.

          • Robert Hammond

            I closed my FB account over a year ago. But I still get some second hand hearsay that I find amusing.

        • April

          I saw it on Reddit, but of course that’s probably not where it originated.

    • Sherbet

      2015 (woops!)

      • Robert Hammond

        What if Disqus is really a time machine?

        • Sherbet

          Was that a whole track riddle?

  • Rasha

    Night, all. C-Shel, great post! Tony, awesome news! Well, deserved. Juicer, sorry about the foot! Bunker, big hug!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m still watchin’ you……BOO!

    • Juicer77

      Eh, a little bandaid, no problem!

  • daisy

    thanx BETSY go get some sleep knowing how much this site appreciates your insights to those of us not there

    • Betsy

      Thanks, daisy…you are all here with us in spirit, and don’t doubt it.

  • Observer

    OT: this reminds me of something, but I can’t quite put my finger on what …

    refresh

    • Juicer77

      By all that is holy, DON’T DO IT!

      • Sherbet

        Observer, step away from the Fertile Feshbach Foto. Please.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          You know I got that sucker ready for launch at all times? Heh!

          • Sherbet

            I know! I know!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              I will try to behave.

            • Sherbet

              Seriously, though, on what planet is Prom Girl’s outfit appropriate or even attractive. Teens get pregnant, and it’s no huge shame, but I don’t need to see their shiny bellies hovering over the prom punch bowl, thankyouverymuch.

    • That scientology lady gaga girl/s and my uncle?

      • Sherbet

        I remember your uncle. Triplets, wasn’t it, that got him into “Believe it or Not”?

      • Sid

        You know that actually Lady Gaga’s stylist is a Scientologist.

        • Sherbet

          I didn’t.

          • Sid

            Tara Savelo. Father Ron Savelo.

            • Sherbet

              Why, you Little Monster.

            • Well, fuck a duck…

            • Sherbet

              That’s going to lead to a sec check.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Have you had sex with fowl?

            • Sherbet

              Foul sex? Maybe. I was young.

            • Have you dressed in Canadian Ham and pretended it was a bacon?

            • Sherbet

              Kevin Bacon, yes.

            • A bird in the chimney

              I am loling here at this thread. Is it just the wine? (naaaaah :D)

            • Sherbet

              No, I’m not drinking any wine.

            • Moonshine ^^^

            • Sherbet

              From the dude in the bib overalls, above.

            • Whatev lady. Your avy is alien, btw.

            • Sherbet

              I really look like that.

            • I know.

            • A bird in the chimney

              *You* might not be. 😉

            • Sid
            • That wanted me to play old games and puke at the same time.

            • Sid

              Sorry. I was looking for a clip I think was shot by Mark Bunker but couldn’t find it.

            • No prob. I did miss old games and didn’t even know it. Win.

            • So Poker Face is a code for TR 0?

        • No way man. Really?

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Hubbards cyst?

      • Observer

        Maybe a certain portrait?

        • Feshbach, The Inventor of Prego.

          • aquaclara

            Prego Art on Velvet. Worse.

    • ShevilKat

      Princess Joy Villa’s next red carpet moment?

      • Juicer77

        Dad’s getting ready to walk her down the aisle… (reaches for a hanky)

        • Sherbet

          If Baby Daddy had known what Baby Mama was going to look like in her prom dress at 6 months along, he would have worn a condom.

          • Juicer77

            Definitely not a fashion choice for the shy woman!

            • Sherbet

              Should’ve drawn eyes and a mouth on that belly.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Now you’re making me rather want to see the Feshbach abomination.

            • Sherbet

              That can be arranged. Observer? Suzanne? You’re up.

            • ReallyMGM

              Prom dates?

            • Sherbet

              It’s a Bunker meme with a scientology theme. And I didn’t mean to rhyme that.

            • MaxSpaceman

              me thought meme is pronounced 2 syllables, “me me ” but it’s really pronounced to rhyme with “theme?” Srysly ?

            • Andrew Robertson

              That’s good, because a valuable part of the Cause Resurgence Rundown as well as training for Ultra Marathons is to run out any distressing engrams.

              So here is the fair Jessica glowing with fecundity!

              [picture]

              Andrew

            • Ruby

              You are supposed to give a warning sign when you post that picture!
              arrrrgg!

            • Is this legal? I mean the dude’s glasses.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yikes !!!

            • MaxSpaceman

              geeeeeeeeeesh– you managed to summon the thing, dude.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sorry. For my next trick, I’ll summon Theo.

          • Sookie Sookie

            Baby Daddy? Baby Mama?

            :-/

            • Sherbet

              Do you see the pictures Observer posted?

            • Sookie Sookie

              Yup.

            • Sherbet

              I’m assuming the pregnant young lady on the right is on her way to prom with a new fashion accessory front and center.

            • Sookie Sookie

              I’m just skeeved by using black lingo to mock black people, that’s all. Not a big deal.

              ETA: seriously not being sarcastic – I might be overly sensitive.

            • Sherbet

              I didn’t think of it as black or white expression, just an expression out of modern life. I would have said it no matter what, not because the girl is black. I’m sorry, but there was no racial slur there.

            • Sherbet

              The Tina Fey movie Baby Mama had Amy Poehler as the pregnant woman. I honestly do not associate the term with “black lingo,” nor do I mock anyone except scientologists.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Okay. I’m just overly uncomfortable lately. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, well, your words were a bit loaded, and you don’t know me, my background, or whether there are any races other than Caucasian threaded through my family. So, please, don’t accuse me of anything.

            • Sookie Sookie

              I won’t. Putting dukes down.

            • Sherbet

              Which isn’t the same as apologizing for accusing me of “mocking black people.”

            • AintMizBahavin

              well as a black woman i take offense to how you depicted the black woman in the picture 1 what makes you think she is in high school? 2. are you a baby mama or mother of child (dren) ?
              (if Baby Daddy had known what Baby Mama was going to look like in her prom dress at 6 months along, he would have worn a condom.)

              those terms were coined to be racist to black women and men
              you called her ugly no matter how you try to clean it up.
              if it were a picture of a white girl would you have called her a baby mama?
              ughhhh to come back to this in the bunker i also notice you made no mention of the white guy and what his wife would have thought had she known what he would have looked like down the road..
              with that said i do believe its time for me to lurk some where else. the tone of the bunker is beginning to change and not all of it is positive.

            • Sherbet

              Aint Miz, all I can say is what I said above: It never occurred to me that baby mama or baby daddy are black terms with racist overtones. Never! I work with all colors, races, and nationalities, and the pregnant unmarried ones — ALL COLORS — refer to their Baby Daddies. It’s not a white/black term. It’s modern life. Also as I sad above, I would have joked no matter what color the girl is. Do I know she’s a high school girl? No, but she looks young and has a prom corsage, so I guessed. Where do you pick up that I said she’s ugly? I was commenting on the belly poking out of the dress — never said a thing about her face, her body, nothing. As any color woman, as any race, as any human being — I honestly say the dress is inappropriate for a formal party. Do you think it’s appropriate?

              You are correct about the man’s belly. But you are incorrect that I did not comment only because he’s white. I didn’t comment because he’s not on his way to a formal dance with his belly sticking out, which I say looks silly — black, white, green, or pink.

              Miz, I was brought up to be kind. You have never heard me say anything offensive here about race or about anything else that makes a person who he/she is. All I ever do when I see you is ask about your health and welcome you here. I can’t believe you, and other people now, think I singled out the girl in the silly dress ONLY because she’s black. I can’t believe it. I’m sorry I hurt people, but I’m equally horrified that people here now think I’m some secret ugly racist. This is beyond belief. How could you think that of me?

            • Sookie Sookie

              Sherb, I know you’re pissed off at me, but please set that aside for just a minute. I respect the hell out of you, and know you to be a sensitive and caring person. Please trust that I am, too.

              I wonder if the whole “baby-momma” thing is racially loaded depending on the region. It’s a big country. I’m in the South, and when white people use it here, they’re saying it in a mock black voice, with mock black body language, etc. I suspect it’s the same where AintMizBehavin is. In other parts of the country, there might be a less slanted take on it.

              I doubt that anyone here thinks you’re a “secret ugly racist.” And that’s definitely not anything I meant to promote with my comment, because (to me) you are awesome and wise and wonderful. I wasn’t being cagey at all, but just puking out my sads about all the shit that’s gone down in my metaphorical backyard lately. I believed you immediately when you said that you didn’t think of it as a racial term.

              I hope you take this at face value. And that we’re as okay as we can be, just being strangers on one another’s monitors.

            • Sherbet

              Sookie Sookie, I had no idea there’s any racial attachment to those terms. I swear on my parents’ graves. There isn’t any attachment where I live. Thank you for this post. You have no idea how hurt I am that wonderful people here, like Ain’t Miz, think I’m a terrible person. I was making a joke, and the girl happened to be black, and I swear on a stack of Bibles her color had nothing to do with the joke.

              This is so unbelievably upsetting to me. I’m in tears that my joke was misunderstood and turned into a racist rant. How easily people believe the worst of me, that I intended to single out the girl JUST BECAUSE of her color. How sad.

            • Sookie Sookie

              I hope Ain’t Miz comes back. I think she knows what kind of person you are, just like everyone else here does. I hope she and I can talk someday.

              I’ll bet you 47 Ortega dollars that NObody thinks you’re a bad person. If people were uncomfortable with the language, it was because it carries a different connotation in their areas, like it does mine.

              Let’s both stop being weepy. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              It’s pretty hard to stop. If even one person in the Bunker believes I deliberately did something offensive, so ugly, so egregious, then I’m hurt to my soul. And, obviously, at least one person believes it.

              Enough. Scientology is the enemy. I’m not. You’re not.

            • ReallyMGM

              You are both rock stars in my eyes right now. Let’s get back to dissing Bodhi and Jenna.

            • Susan_Qbird_Poche

              I loves ya Sherb. I don’t know these phrases neither, what they mean or don’t mean.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              sorry i came onto this late so much has been edited.my family and friends are a mix of race and religion.everyone says baby mama-as far i am concerned i dont like it cuz i feel it puts down the women if nothing else no matter race of someone-i think its a millennium term.i say it and so does everyone i know-no matter race or anything else. i say it not meaning to put anyone down cuz everyone around me says it no matter the race of anyone.i know for the time i have been here you have never come off as a racist and are a very good person-its so sad that a joke can get so far off-but thats one thing that has been said many times here that ppl misunderstand something that is said cuz you can’t see the person face to face.its a misunderstanding thats very unfortunate-you just know you didn’t mean anything bad-you can’t please everyone 100% of the time.i knew the pic. was a poke at the preg. feschback pic. just keep your chin up.:)

            • Sherbet

              Thank you, Donna.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              First time I heard the phrase was on a Hip Hop video I was working on. The phrase was the chorus to the song. At the time,I did not think anything about it as it was or appeared to be an acceptable phrase within the Hip Hop community.

              Now it is a rather derogatory term used by whites directed at white unwed young mothers. At least here in Georgia that is how the phrase is now used.

            • Observer

              Where I am Babymama/daddy is used in regard to marital status and has nothing to do with race at all.

              I posted that pic (which I got off another website; I didn’t shoop the pics together) solely because it reminded me of that horrid Feshbach preggo portrait and I wanted to poke the bear, so to speak.

              I have never heard Sherb say or imply anything the faintest bit racist.

            • Sherbet

              <3

            • daytoncapri

              Stick around. Some of us don’t have a clue. Some of us do. The crap that’s been taking place in the news lately is proof-positive that even we so-called “enlightened” white people have a helluva lot to learn. We need your voice, even when it tells us things we don’t like to hear.

            • Juicer77

              I hope nothing troubling.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Thanks, Juicer. But it is – just my feeling of frustration at the way unconscious racism is still so prevalent in the US, and especially in my state. I feel helpless and defeated sometimes. Like I said in my edit above, I truly might be oversensitive to language lately.

            • ReallyMGM

              I understand Sookie. This has been a refuge for me from those FB posts that have cropped up. I have unfollowed some, unfriended some. Change is slow, but it is coming.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Thanks, hon. I know you’re right.

            • Chee Chalker

              I could take offense at the use of ‘hon’ as a sexist term, but I won’t.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Good call, since it applies to all people, regardless of gender.

            • Juicer77

              If you feel it, you feel it. Don’t apologize.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Good advice. 🙂

            • Chee Chalker

              Whilst I agree with that sentiment ‘if you feel it you feel it’ it does not give anyone the right to project their feelings onto others. For example, if Person A uses a term like ‘Baby Daddy’ which these days, is in common vernacular, not limited to one race or another, and Person B takes offense, why does Person B have the right to accuse or imply that Person A was using the.term in a pejorative fashion?
              Goes back to grammar school English class…..when you assume…….

            • Sherbet

              Thank you, Chee.

            • Chee Chalker

              You’re welcome! Political correctness can run amok on the best blogs. Don’t let it get you down!

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Come on down to Georgia if you want to see the stoopid in action! I spoke out at a KKK rally in Ellejay GA several years ago.

              I was pissed that though these knuckle draggers had the constitutional right to express their distain for people of color,I wanted to express my distain for the KKK.

              And I did in front of a whole town square of people watching the rather sordid gathering.

              One of the KK speakers asked who among the crowd wanted Hispanic individuals in their communities?

              I raised my hand and publicly stated I did. The Grand Dragon whom was in full KKK clothing said,Sir,you are a race traitor!

              A toothless KKK member walked into the crowd to hand out hate filled propaganda pamphlets.

              Mr.KKK man dressed in his KKK finery came up to me and told me people like myself weren’t welcome around here!

              I turned and laughed. He walked away! You will find that when challenged,this fools are really cowards at heart.

            • Sookie Sookie

              Good lord. I might need an antidepressant. 🙁

              Thank you for standing up for sanity.

            • daytoncapri

              I see no fault in anything that you have posted. Some people don’t get it. I’m as white as they come, and I know this for a fact: I don’t always get it.

            • ReallyMGM

              No, Sookie. We respect your opinion and your right to express it in a thoughtful way.

            • Sherbet

              I don’t make fun of Kirstie’s weight or Miscavige’s height. How could you think I’d joke about race? Anyway, I don’t want to keep this going. It was never my intention to offend anyone.

            • Cedilla
            • Cedilla

              I’m confused. Which post?

      • Sherbet

        This chick’s schmatta makes Princess Joy’s construction fencing look like classic Dior.

        • Cedilla

          Vhat a mentsh you are.
          No one thinks otherwise.
          That’s as shmaltzy as I can get.

          • Sherbet

            I appreciate it. I still feel like I’ve been worked over by a party of two.

            • Sookie Sookie

              I’m so sorry I hurt your feelings and expressed myself so inarticulately. Please forgive me, Sherbet. I admire you and like you, and I never ever thought you were a racist.

            • Sherbet

              The irony, Sookie, is that Karen, whom we all adore, inadvertently posted a cartoon of Pres. Obama as Nero on today’s post (Friday), fiddling while Washington DC burned, and nobody attacked Karen personally for demeaning black people. Yes, people said it was inappropriate, but she, personally, didn’t take a character hit.

              I don’t have to forgive you. You spoke as you saw it. There is no censorship in the Bunker. But you ignited the fire with the way you expressed yourself, and I was the bad guy. Miz went ballistic. I will swear to my death, if that girl (whom I’ve seen in “Ugly Prom Dresses” websites) had been white, had been my own daughter, had been my son’s date, she still would have got my criticism, because she looks foolish. I also had joked that the white guy looked like he had triplets. But, no, Miz and others thought I was singling out the black girl because she was black. My regret is that I assumed she was an unwed mother. I think it’s a safe assumption given her apparent age and inclusion in the Prom Dresses website, but it was not an attack on her morals. God, how many girls have babies without being married? This isn’t the 1950s where it’s shameful or sinful. I will never get Miz to understand that, because she’s speaking from a lifetime of prejudice directed against her color. I’m glad she doesn’t visit the Bunker too often, because now she believes I’m an enemy. Also ironically, I know Miz has had some serious health issues, and do you know that every day for more than a year I’ve been praying for her? And now I’m her enemy. Strange. Luckily, I was never particularly close to her, so she won’t have to work hard to avoid me and vice versa.

              Enough. I’m sorry to be so long-winded, but I’m glad to get this settled. I’ll watch my “mouth” in future when a crude thought comes to me. There’s no more to fix here. The hurt still stings, but I’ll get over it. Not just a truce, but friendship between me and you. OK?

            • Sookie Sookie

              I get everything you’re saying here. And I would feel very lucky to have your friendship, Sherb — you definitely have mine.

            • Cedilla

              Really?
              Hmmmm.
              You feel, ” like I’ve been worked over by a party of two.”
              Only two?
              Because they misunderstood the meaning your post?
              Congratulations:
              You are now ready to take the free personality test at the closest Ideal Org near you.

              Enter at the Susceptible Door at your right.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      It’s a wonder why both bothered with a necklace.

    • Cedilla

      I wouldn’t want to put my finger on it either.

    • flyonthewall

      family reunion?

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    G’night y’all. I out of here before the third belly shows up.

    • Sherbet

      LOL.

    • Juicer77

      Me too. All you hooligans keep it down while the rest of us try to sleep!

    • Pussy. JK. G’night.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Tough crowd….good.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      It’s Too Late…

    • Eclipse-girl

      remember to click on recommend above of the comments.

      • Supper Powers

        Remember to bring this article about Bob Duggan back up to the top in the Google search. http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/06/bob-duggan-the-richest-scientologist-in-the-world-is-going-to-love-our-nifty-new-drawings/

        • ReallyMGM

          FWIW, it is still at the top at Yahoo and Bing.

          • Supper Powers

            Oddly the original story, “perplexing”, and the follow up, “sketches” articles showed up for me on Yahoo but not the article on Google (in Yahoo). Maybe it’s all about the device and geographic location. I won’t pretend to understand why. I just know I go click the hell out of those articles a couple of times a day from a couple devices after restarting my machines.

            • ReallyMGM

              I read about why articles can be delisted and usually it is compaints or something technical. I think it is CoS related since it is only one entry.

            • Supper Powers

              It appears someone’s knickers are in a twist. I wish I knew more about Google and (real) technology to make a guess. I know enough about CoS to know it wouldn’t shock me to learn they are making noise.

        • Missionary Kid

          Comes up fourth on my Google search, where it always has. That’s using Firefox. It comes up 5th when I use Chrome.

          • scottmercer

            Me too, 6th and 7th, using a Chrome book.

            • ReallyMGM

              So horribly inconsistant.

        • ReallyMGM

          Interesting. Using the Safari browser on a Mac with the Google search engine the Duggan stories come up one and two.

      • Always

    • flyonthewall

      hey big D

    • SarahDB

      Thanks Dodo for posting this, I was supposed to do one last night but fell asleep!

  • cdubb

    With Tony going to thelip.tv, every up-and-coming journalist will be thinking, “Hey I can report on Scientology, get on their (huge) enemies list, and make a name for myself too.” And although it’s not really that easy, that won’t keep them from trying.

    • Dave In Ajax

      as far as I know he isn’t ditching this blog, so I am not sure what you are getting at??

      • MaxSpaceman

        no kidding– too odd a comment

      • ReallyMGM

        I don’t get the comment. IMO, the more light shined on the cult, the better. So bring on more responsible media sources whether they be news stories in print or broadcast, books, blogs, and documentaries. Coupled with social media campaigns it can be very powerful.

    • “”Hey I can report on Scientology, get on their (huge) enemies list, and make a name for myself too.”

      • cdubb

        I suspect they’re overworked right now. Take a number.
        Really I hope there’s so many people applying to get on their enemies list they’ll set up special routing form just to get on.

  • EmmaDaoust

    Home from day 3 of the Toronto conference. Another truly riveting, intense day. So I’m just going to put this here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjsN-J27aU

    • Dave In Ajax

      a classic cartoon, lots of memories there, warner bros. were the best by far, except for top cat ;=)

  • aquaclara

    Chris, I am so excited for you. Presenting important stuff like today’s on the Truth Rundown. Meeting great people who share experiences with you, and some recovery stories along the way, and then meeting Tony.

    You’ve come a long way, baby. So proud of all accomplished in your new life outside the walls of the cult.

    May many more follow the path you’re setting…..

  • Lady Squash

    I just saw, for the second time, the movie “Wag the Dog” and was struck by the parallels between it and Scientology. The plot–a Hollywood producer is asked by the President’s PR team to create a fake war to divert public opinion away from the President’s recently revealed out-ethics behavior.
    No matter what goes wrong with the producer’s story line, the producer has an explanation that he manages to sell to the American public via the media to explain the new development. It gets pretty absurd, kind of like Scientology, but he manages to sell it.
    One line in particular struck me that went something like–because the returning war hero in the fake war was in secret operations, two sets of records were kept. And that is why his war records don’t show he was captured. Almost straight out of Scientology which uses a similar explanation to explain how come Hubbard’s military records don’t show that he had war injuries. I almost fell on the floor when I heard that. I guess it’s a common dodge. And that’s when it struck me that Scientology is Wag the Dog meets 1984. It’s all made up AND a totalitarian mind fuck. I’m just saying….

  • Kevin Bloody mackey

    Thanks Chris. As a Flag public on OTVII we’d be sec checked every six months. In total I believe I had nearly 20 intensives of sec checking and FPRD while on OT VII. Regarding your comment on ‘serious crime’, there were things that were always acceptable to a Sea Org sec checker. Verbal tech, omitting a fact from session worksheets, out tech like giving a touch assist without writing up worksheets, flirting with a person not your spouse, whether you were married or not; all of these were “crimes” that proved irresistible to sec checkers and would be duly punished when one got down stairs to ‘ethics’.

    Talk about ‘bait and switch’; how did we start studying a laudable subject like ‘ethics’ then end up confessing to slight alterations of Hubbard’s gospel? Well, the purpose of ethics was “To remove counter intentionedness then with that done remove other intentionedness”. So basically the purpose of *ethics* was to press you into lock step with Hubbard and subsequently David Miscavige’s batshit crazy plans. All that from a ‘science’ that promises to restore your self determinism.

    • MaxSpaceman

      You can’t make that sh1t up.

      Ron Hubbard twists brains to this day from the mindfuck he created for his life’s work. It’s nearly inconceivable to so many, many countless never-ins. But anyone (Steve Hassan, for example) or Jon Atack, who has been ‘captured’ by a ‘saving grace cult’ are all the evidence needed: it is too true.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Kevin. Thank you for sharing.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Confused. Is a Scieno in trouble made to do the FPRD first and then the Truth Rundown? What’s the difference?

  • Lurkness

    Great conference. Sad now that I didn’t move things around and go. Ugh. Oh, well–can’t wait for the films, Night all.

    ETA–thank you too to the Bunkeroos for the updates!

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • madame duran

    Jamie DeWolf was speaking tonight. He revealed about how he discovered the manuscript to Nibs’s unfinished, unpublished memoirs (Nibs = family nickname for L. Ron Hubbard Jr., his grandfather). A family member had it in storage for a while then gave it to him to read and keep. Jamie read an excerpt from it tonight at the conference, to give us a taste of Hubbard Sr.’s dark, twisted thoughts that he shared with his son. Ummm…remember Hubbard’s “Affirmations”? Well, those were like cute nursery rhymes compared what I heard tonight. Jamie said it actually gets worse further in (yikes!). The phrase “Scientology: it’s always worse than you think” is absolutely true. I felt like I needed to take a shower…in a giant baptismal font…with gallons of holy water. Scientology is UNCLEEEEEEAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The manuscript is an original document; there are no other copies in existence. Jamie reassured us that the manuscript is in safekeeping (didn’t tell us where obviously) and that, I believe, copies have been made and/or shared with others…one of them being Jon Atack (to the Bunkeroo conference attendees: correct me if I got that part wrong. It was late…I may have been hallucinating after a long day). I had to mentally stuff my face with popcorn upon hearing this tidbit because I literally ate out of my snack food stash from yesterday *cries*. Jamie is in the process of deliberating if, when and how he will publish the manuscript. It is not a light decision to make as the consequence of publishing it could lead to his family becoming Scientology targets…that includes Jamie’s daughter. The most intense harassment ever. We shall wait and see.

    ===

    It’s Day 3 of the conference and some of the key speakers have already left–Tony Ortega, Paulette Cooper, Andreas Heldal-Lund (family emergency), Steve Hassan. I came up with an idea tonight that I wish I had come up with sooner: a “Class of 2015” style group photo featuring all the attendees and speakers in attendance as a memento of the event. I thought we could still pull it off despite the absent individuals (we’d shoop them in multiple times then claim the conference attendance was in the thousands, in true Scientology fashion. Heh heh heh.) but, alas, it was not meant to be. *sigh*

    • romanesco

      Thanks so much for the report. I do hope at least some parts of this mysterious manuscript come to light.

      • SarahDB

        I believe Jamie read from part of it at an event in Clearwater last year, I know there is a youtube video of him speaking there.

        • madame duran

          Yes. He did mention that this was the second time he’s reading an excerpt from the manuscript (the first being at Flag Down 2014 in Clearwater, FL).

    • Baby

      madam.. thank you. We we all on the edge of our seats listening to Jamie at Flag Down. What an experience, huh? Riveting with powerful words punctuated to perfection.

      Thank you for your report. I wish I had gone. Too late to squawk about it now.. but it would have been a trip of a lifetime for me to be in the presence of all of these great historians, journalists, critics and of course Bunkeroos.

    • Spike Robinson

      Dear Madame Duran! I’ve been scouring the Bunker looking for a comment of yours to let you know publicly – YOU’RE THE GREATEST!!!

      Fellow Bunkerites, this wonderful woman kept me supplied with guitar, chocolate, and happy news of the outside world as I scrambled and dashed. She’s a beautiful woman, inside and out, and I was honored to spend time with her.

      Maybe someday, Madame, you can bring your cardboard cutout of yourself for me to sign at one of my concerts!

      • madame duran

        Thank you. I still have your black/silver earrings that you left behind at the hotel. I’ve put them in safekeeping.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X ***Thursday, 25 June 2015

    Good morning night owls and early birds,

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2542387

    F5… Tenebris by Octobre Rouge enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14975359684/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Miss Tia

    FINALLY this morning I’m off to get Poliahu weighed!! Tuesday it was far far too humid and hot when I left PT to take her, yesterday was also warm. I have PT this AM at 9:30am BUT in bizarre Tia-think, I’m gonna leave a little before 7AM, stop at the KSU Library (have books to return and have a list of a few I want to check out, Poli will be in the van 12 minutes tops and it’s 64 out and totally cloudy, then to the vet for her to get weighed–which is obviously in that area, then I’ll bring her home to Akron and be able to get to PT in time. I’m making one or two stops after PT, then I’ll post her weight results!! 😀 Last time she was at 79, so fingers crossed she’s lost more weight!! The magic number is 70!!

    I’m going BEFORE PT today because very strong storms are headed this way, suppose to start around 10am. I only have 2 windows in the van and no AC and I don’t want to drive with her with both windows up nor do I really like to drive in bad storms if I have too. (Though now that I’ve planned all this, watch the storms be a bust, which would be fine, I’ll go pick more cherries, I picked 7 more cups yesterday! 😉

    • Andrew Robertson

      Hello Miss Early Riser! It’s 10:30 pm here and I should be thinking about going to bed! (Though I’ll probably stay up till 11 pm to catch Tony’s new post.

      Andrew

      • Miss Tia

        Yep, up since 5am!! Just checked weather and it’s saying rain starting in an hour. Fingers crossed it holds off. I’ll be leaving in about 10-15 minutes. KSU Library opens at 7:15am and it takes about 20-25 minutes to get there depending on traffic. Vet is just a few minutes from there.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    The “help” of Scientology is actually betrayal of one’s soul from several different viewpoints.
    I now think that the purpose of it was to steal one’s soul, therefore anyone taking it seriously
    is in danger of going insane, committing suicide, losing their family, being tortured mentally
    to a low state, maybe even agony.

    Hubbard was an SP and nuts (finally by his own admission).
    DM is pure Evil and may never get out of the trap ingrained on this planet.

  • OMG! I was delighted and honored to be invited to the conference in Toronto… When I arrived I was even more honored to share a room with Jonny Jacobsen for the 5 days there… What a mind blowing experience to spend 5 days with an all star cast! I learned so much about COS. The COS , what I thought was just a cute little Hollywood fad cult like Madonna and the Kabbalah, turned out to be the darkest most violent cult I have ever heard of! Thank you Professor Jim and Jon Atack for inviting me to the “Woodstock of COS”!!!! My esteem and respect for all ex-Scientologists has just hit the outer atmosphere! I made so many wonderful friends there… Jesse, Nora, Hannah, Nancy, Tory and on and on with whom I fell instantly in love with… Can’t wait for the next ione!!! Sincerely and with great respect, David T Pike, FACTNet.org

  • And Tony too!!! 🙂

  • OMG! I was delighted and honored to be invited to the conference in
    Toronto… When I arrived I was even more honored to share a room with
    Jonny Jacobsen for the 5 days there… What a mind blowing experience
    to spend 5 days with an all star cast! I learned so much about COS. The
    COS , what I thought was just a cute little Hollywood fad cult like
    Madonna and the Kabbalah, turned out to be the darkest most violent cult
    I have ever heard of! Thank you Professor Jim and Jon Atack for
    inviting me to the “Woodstock of COS”!!!! My esteem and respect for all
    ex-Scientologists has just hit the outer atmosphere! I made so many
    wonderful friends there… Gerry, Chris, Jesse, Nora, Hannah, Nancy, Tory, Steve
    Hassan and on and on with whom I fell instantly in love with… Can’t
    wait for the next one!!! Sincerely and with great respect, David T
    Pike, FACTNet.org

    • Spike Robinson

      It was an honor and a pleasure to meet you, David. You’re a great guy and fun to be with, in addition to being one of the heroes of “S.P.stock ’15.”

  • Spike Robinson

    Chris, what a great review! And what a pleasure to find out that you’re not only an intellectual badass but a really sweet guy. I hope to work again with you soon! 😀