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More testimony that Scientology’s celebrities know all about Sea Org deprivations

Lorna_CarletonWe like to keep an eye on litigation involving the Church of Scientology, so we were interested to see the news yesterday that a woman in British Columbia has filed a lawsuit in order to get back about $86,000 that she says she’s owed by the church.

But then we got Lorna Carleton on the phone, and realized that her story is more interesting than just the money she’s trying to get back.

Lorna tells us that she had been living in northern British Columbia when, in 1988, she moved down to the town of Kelowna on Okanagan Lake and it was there that she met an OT 3 at a dance club.

The man (who had achieved the level of Operating Thetan Level Three, one of the higher, secretive levels of Scientology achievement) introduced her to the idea of Dianetics and then took her to the org in Vancouver.

A week later, she was on staff.

But she wanted us to understand that her career in Scientology was not a smooth one. She says she was declared an “illegal PC” three separate times, and was on and off staff. She was even, at one time, a member of the Sea Org.

She was still “flowing money” to the Vancouver org as recently as 2013. But last year, she looked up a friend she had known in Scientology, and he shared with her something he had written. And that changed everything.

Doug Davidson had written a lengthy “Debbie Cook” letter. Cook, a longtime Scientology executive who ran the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida for 17 years, stunned Scientologists by sending out a lengthy accusatory letter on New Year’s Eve, 2012, announcing the ways that Scientology was being corrupted by its current leader, David Miscavige. Since then, it’s become somewhat customary for Scientologists to announce that they’ve gone “independent” with lengthy pronouncements listing their grievances.

Davidson’s announcement was focused on the problems he had seen over the years in the Vancouver area specifically, but it contained many of the same kinds of complaints that Cook had brought up. For many Scientologists who have left in recent years, they felt the organization was getting away from what founder L. Ron Hubbard had intended as Miscavige altered technical procedures and put a heavier emphasis on fundraising.

For Lorna, Davidson’s letter was a revelation. She says that within a week of reading it last summer, she was auditing with Davidson in Grand Forks, B.C., and never turned back. She had become an independent Scientologist.

And she wanted the money back that she’d put on account at the church. She now knew that she’d never take the courses at the org that she’d already paid for, so she wanted those funds returned. She got the run-around from the Vancouver org, so she had an attorney send a letter. When that didn’t help, she went to a litigation attorney, who let the church know in December that they intended to sue.

Lorna says she has about $38,000 on account at the Vancouver org (Day and Foundation). And she’s also asking for $5,000 she gave to “Ideal Org” projects, $20,000 to the International Association of Scientologists, and another $20,000 for book donations and other campaigns.

“It’s roughly $86,000 altogether. But I’m not asking for any money I spent on courses, or for back staff pay,” she says. Her lawsuit was filed in Kamloops Supreme Court, but the church hasn’t responded yet.

Her attorneys had been getting responses to their letters from Gary Soter, the Los Angeles attorney who often represents the church. “I was really shocked that that’s who the Vancouver church would go to,” Lorna says. “Why would they risk the bad PR and not just give me my money? Why let it go to litigation?”

Meanwhile, the Scientologists she knew at the Vancouver org have all distanced themselves from her. “The rumor is that Lorna has gone crazy,” she says with a laugh.

Asked what it was that she saw in the church that drove her away, Lorna said she was affected by “the insane way they treat people. I don’t want to belong to a place that treats people like they do in the Sea Org.”

In 2011, Lorna went as a “public” Scientologist to the American Saint Hill Organization (ASHO) at the “Big Blue” complex in downtown Los Angeles, and she says she was so impressed by how hard the Sea Org members worked, she decided to give it a go herself. She was a Sea Org worker at ASHO from April 2011 to March 2012.

“I always read that Sea Org workers get 50 bucks a week — but that’s generous. For 19 weeks straight we didn’t get paid at all,” she says. She explains that ASHO had obligations to send money uplines. And when income was down, they’d be told there just wasn’t enough left over to pay them.

“Sea Org members have to buy their own toothbrushes and toothpaste and soap — and it can’t have any scent, so you have to buy the more expensive kind with what little money you have,” she explains. “But if there’s no staff pay, how could you even buy necessities? And women needed tampons, so they had to roll up toilet paper because they couldn’t buy any.”

Or there were times when workers needed medical care with no way to pay for it. “We weren’t getting paid. And a guy would say, please, can I have some money to go to the dentist. The guy would be in agony, but first we had to send money uplines to Flag. He’d just have to wait,” she says.

We have to stop and consider that Lorna is talking about a facility in the middle of the second most populous city in the US. It’s truly amazing to think about that kind of deprivation being practiced by a wealthy organization without consequences in a place like Los Angeles.

Lorna says if ASHO didn’t spend much on its employees, it did spend pretty lavishly on events. “ASHO’s portion for putting on an event at the Shrine Auditorium would be $60,000,” she says. Her position, she explains, was to make sure that things were set up properly for celebrities at the events. “I put on the graduations on a weekly basis. I had people like Chill EB, Nancy Cartwright, Denise and Michael Duff to take care of. I had to set up the ice sculptures and the fancy foods. And if a Sea Org worker was caught even taking a glass of water off of those tables, they’d be in big trouble.”

Her typical day went from 8 in the morning to 11 pm or midnight, and special projects couldn’t cut into that time. “If they needed a new rug put in, some members would have to do that in the middle of the night so it didn’t cut into production,” she says.

And she tells us about a specific example she was involved in. At one point, a film was being made on L. Ron Hubbard Way, and it featured Nancy Cartwright. But because of Sea Org hours, they had to get up at 5 am and shoot the scenes at 6 am so they could still make their 8 am muster.

Wait, we asked, are you saying that Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, was out on L. Ron Hubbard Way at 6 in the morning shooting scenes for some internal Scientology movie, because the crew all had to be at their regular jobs by 8 am?

“Yes,” she says. And it was clear to Cartwright that the reason for the ungodly shooting time was because of the Sea Org members and their long hours? “Nancy had to know,” Lorna adds.

At the other end of the day, ASHO workers couldn’t go to bed until they had fulfilled some mission — convincing some public member to make a donation to the IAS, for example, or to buy a book. Only then could they get some sleep. “I would buy a ten dollar book from someone just so they could get some sleep,” she says.

Lorna was in the Sea Org in Los Angeles for a relatively short time. But even joining staff at an org in Canada came with its difficulties. At one point, when she was being recruited to join staff, she was a single mom with three sons. She says she was heavily pressured to give up her children to their father so she could work at the org full time.

“I was told it was wrong for me to be a single mom, that I should be a staff member,” she says. So she sent her sons away. “It shattered our lives. They made me feel guilty to be a mom.”

Her middle son passed away a few years ago, but her oldest and youngest sons have never been Scientologists, and she says she can count on them for support today. But otherwise, she’s on her own. “I have no money. I gave it all to the church. I’m starting over again from scratch,” she says, but she sounds remarkably upbeat about it.

“Thank God I came to my senses, eh?”

 
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Nancy’s skill as a sculptor

You might have seen Nancy Cartwright being lionized in the press yesterday about the “Bartman” sculpture that she unveiled here in New York…

 
CartwrightBart

 
But we just wanted to remind you of Nancy’s previous effort, which was featured in what we dubbed the creepiest Scientology advertisement of all time…

 
BabyBuddha

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Yesterday, the town of Helena, Montana held its annual Vigilante Day Parade to welcome in the spring weather. And some of the youngsters who put together floats decided to honor a former local — L. Ron Hubbard, who spent a year at Helena High School in 1927-28. In fact the parade that year was something of a catalyst in his decision to ditch Helena High, as we explained in a recent story.

A snapshot of the float was posted to Instagram by someone who was apparently unfamiliar with that history. They captioned this, “Not sure what’s happening here”…

 
HubbardFloat2

 
We went to the trouble to scan through the fixed-camera coverage of the parade provided by a local newspaper, and managed to catch this still, which doesn’t give us a much better look…

 
HubbardFloat

 
Those appear to be manual typewriters that the young men in suits are pounding away at on the front of the float. And it appears they’ve tried to recreate Hubbard’s office or something. But are those body thetans on the back of the float? We’d sure like to know. Hey, kids, tell us about your float!

 
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BOOK NOTES

On May 14, you will be able to purchase ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ from Amazon in either electronic or print format, and simultaneously in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia.

The book will not be available for pre-order before that date. It is going live for sale on Thursday, May 14, and not a moment earlier. And hey, that’s just a few weeks away, so you won’t have to wait long.

Our appearances…

May 16: Santa Barbara Humanist Society (with Paulette Cooper), 3:00 pm
May 17: Center for Inquiry-West Los Angeles, 4773 Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood, 11 am (with Paulette Cooper)
May 17: CFI Orange County (Costa Mesa), 4:30 pm (with Paulette Cooper)
May 20, San Diego We’re getting some help from locals trying to assist the San Diego Association for Rational Inquiry (SDARI) find a venue for us (appearance with Paulette Cooper)
May 22: San Francisco (with Jamie DeWolf and Paulette Cooper)

(Finalizing a New York City event in early June)

June 20: Chicago
June 22/23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper)

June 27/28: Florida (with Paulette Cooper)

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 2, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Fred G. Haseney

    Here is the “bait and switch” picture mentioned in a recent post (uploaded directly to the Bunker for better viewing (rather than the original Facebook link).

    • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

      Priceless!

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I think you are the one who recently referred me to Wikipedia’s coverage of LRH’s “Admissions.”

  • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

    This is a bit O/T…

    In the mind of the Scientologist, Scientology is booming with “Straight up and Vertical” stats everywhere. I mean every org on the planet is bursting at the seams and booming, except for their org because it’s not “Ideal” of course.

    Ron was so arrogant and ignorant. His “Tech” for handling stress, which surely someone else came up with was to “take a walk” so that you could push out your “anchor points.” He totally missed the boat on Puppy Room Tech, the real key to booming an org! These little balls of Theta are an instant key out. We’re talking persistent F/N’s for weeks on end!

    ‘Puppy room’ set up for stressed University of Central Lancashire students

    “Organised by the students’ union as part of the ‘SOS (Stressed Out
    Students) campaign’, stressed students will get to cuddle puppies in a
    dedicated room. …

    “Unsurprisingly the puppy room is already fully-booked, and the reservation list is also at maximum capacity.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/puppy-room-set-up-for-stressed-university-of-central-lancashire-students-10218844.html

    • chukicita

      If you can’t get there yourself, there’s always this: http://www.guidedogs.org/puppycam/

    • Dawn G

      That’s awesome. My son attends University of Akron, which also hired therapy dogs for students who were suffering anxiety from final exams.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Ah, puppy therapy! There is nothing like it.

  • nukethevolcano

    That float is the most fitting tribute to Mr. Hubbard that I have ever seen.

  • salin

    I ran across this item elsewhere – Seattle police trying to help free a man who is stuck in a basketball hoop. So many analogies popped into my head that could fit with what I am learning about scientology itself, and life “in” scientology. I thought the crowd here might have a field day with the video. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Talk-about-a-jam-Shirtless-man-gets-stuck-in-Capitol-Hill-basketball-hoop-302267781.html

  • Richard

    There’s a lot of significant stuff on that float.
    For instance, the flaming red bricks are The Wall of Fire!

  • CK

    That Baby Buddha sculpture reminds me of that horrifying anencephalic baby born in Saddam’s Iraq.

  • Zana

    I’ve been enjoying Steve Hassan’s book, “Combatting Cult Mind Control.” Wow… it is helpful to see how threads of this kind of control and suppression have woven through different parts of my life in many ways, starting in childhood. Ahhhh…and the Truth shall set us free!

    In the meantime… I saw this quote this morning and thought it went well with the subject of mind control. Happy Saturday, Bunkaroos!!

    • Rasha

      Oopsie. Little typo there…actually, the space goes AFTER the “M” in “Masses”, not before. Just doing my part.;)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Best of good fortune and progress.

    • Thanks. My win will be everyone’s win – Love your name btw πŸ™‚

  • The kid at the end of the float has a mic and is reading from a book or script.

    Caption contest anyone?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/f1/12/51f112cd1a645c188f2500a985bbfc87.jpg

    • jazzlover

      “Anybody need a ‘balloon’ Kirstie Alley?”

    • Sir_Real

      “Danger! Danger! Stay away as far as possible!”

    • jazzlover

      “Fuck you, Homer! Bart’s ours”

    • Observer

      “You’re as crazy as a nebula of crap,” said Char.

    • JMasiulewicz

      “I lost a bet”

      • Kay

        Wow I would like to have a handwriting analyst look at that.

        • scottmercer

          Why has nobody done that yet? I would pitch in.

        • Are_sics

          I fear adding woo to the woo, myself.

      • valshifter

        He wants to imply that he was there, at the beginning of time, “oh Lord Hubbard thou are in heaven, holy be thy name”

      • dungeon master

        I sing this to the jg Wentworth jingle – thinking of doing a rock opera.. Lol!

    • Science Doc

      I may be a long dead con man and cult leader, but at least I don’t live in Helana anymore.

    • Phil McKraken

      “Van Allen Belt weather report: It isn’t cold, like they all say. It’s hot! It’s warm in space where the sun is shining.”

      “I almost got run down by a freight locomotive on Venus the other day. Don’t believe all the methane atmosphere stuff.”

    • aegerprimo

      Kapow, wooosh…. and BOOM!!!!!!!
      (maniacal laughing)

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “Do any of you people have toilet paper?”

      • jazzlover

        ROFLMAO (in sympathy. really)

    • dungeon master

      Bullshit, bullshit, load of bullshit, field mined with bs, bs here, there and everywhere..

    • Beth

      “……these yellow and blue neon twisty balloons represent the fried and broken synapses of your brain on scientology. “

    • Sid

      “Benzedrine often helps a case run.” L Ron Hubbard

    • Sid

      “Not smoking enough will cause lung cancer! ” L Ron Hubbard

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Blah blah blah…..and so on and so forth.

    • JMasiulewicz

      “I soooo wanted to be on the YogaBerry float.”

    • aquaclara

      “With enough tinfoil, we can clear the planet.” LRH

      *Regges for the much-needed pallets of Costco-sized aluminum foil*

      “Now now now now now” Little Captain Miscavige

  • Hi All, I just posted the link to Tony’s great article to many of the different Scientology Facebook websites in the hope that it helps someone to wake up. Thanks for all your support!

    • Robert Hammond

      Hi Lorna. Welcome. Take off your hat and coat. You’re home.

    • BraveBloggers

      Welcome to the Bunker, where freedom is real, where you are welcomed, where people value what you say and actually listen. Where happiness isn’t an abstract concept that you chase to no avail. Where true selflessness is abundant, and differing opinions abound, but are respected. Where punishment doesn’t exist except for in the stories of those who chose to share those they faced at the hands of others. Where the laughter and smiles are real and available in abundance. Where actual help is given, or available and is reaching people beyond 47x. Where truth isn’t hidden, is available for you to really decide for yourself and where you aren’t subject to one persons whims. Welcome to The Bunker, where you will likely receive more genuine and heartfelt communication from people who don’t need a course to articulate their empathy, sympathy, support or just to share a morning coffee. The Bunker is a source of friendship, truth, and a place for action against injustice and inaction in many different ways. The Bunker stands for many great and wonderful things. The Bunker doesn’t charge, it doesn’t tear families apart, it doesn’t kick you while your down, and there’s always someone to relate to or talk with. The Bunker is a special place and I’m glad you’re here. Pull up chair, sit and talk awhile – or just read if you wish. Share our laughter and tears. And know that your story has, is and will help people no matter the outcome. Welcome to a world where we are not all sane – and that’s OK- but we rejoice in that glorious imperfection, and we rejoice together…no strings attached. Yes, The Bunker is a special place filled with Haikus, shooped pictures, shared experiences, giggling, silliness, education, information, honesty, efforts/action for change and justice for those who can’t, don’t or won’t speak up, and so much more. It’s a sort of 2nd home to many, a forum of brave people who share some of the most devastating aspects of their lives in order to help heal themselves and others. The door is open for whenever you feel like stopping by. It’s a place filled with good. With people trying to make a difference in this world – each in their own unique way. It’s a place where the “pharma”is humor in high doses. No uniform or contracts required. Welcome to The Bunker.

  • P P

    That’s a bust of Bartman? I thought it was LRH after he’d been spun round the planets on one of his “trips”!

  • nottrue

    …Recent pic of TC

    • distorted?

    • Observer

      That looks like a Madame Tussaud’s waxwork.

      • Kay

        With the equivalent IQ?

        • scottmercer

          Yeah, gotta be a wax figure.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Since we are sharing waxy celebs, here’s JT from the new Madame Tussuad’s in Orlando. *refresh*

  • Wow! Thanks so much Robert Hammond! Your welcome brought tears to my eyes. Hugs.

    • scottmercer

      Welcome Lorna. Have some caek. Actually, Robert just posted for the first time the other day (yesterday?) and was welcomed in the same manner. So he’s just paying it forward. πŸ˜‰

    • Robert Hammond

      Hugs to you too Lorna. Yesterday was my first time posting here, even though I’ve been reading for awhile. So glad you’re here. Glad you are free. The best is yet to come.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I hold a special place in my space for fellow Bunkers who have (1) real names and (b) real photos. Howdy, Robert Hammond.

    • Fred G. Haseney

      I hold a special place in my space for fellow Bunkers who have (1) real names and (b) real photos. Howdy, Lorna Carleton.

      • Howdy Fred, thanks for the welcome. And yes, despite what was stated on the Scn Facebook Group page this afternoon, this is me and I am a real person. I posted on their webpage today some comments and several people got upset and said that I was an infiltrator of their site and that my name was fake and I was an SP. I had been a member of that site for many years and had only posted once over the years and I managed to get in a few good comments before I was blocked.

  • Errol

    I met Nancy Cartwright at the valley life improvement center years ago. Along with Johnny Lewis and his girlfriend Katy Perry. I got a little disenchanted with the whole celebrity, life coaching, life repair, save the planet, go ot, etc..etc when Johnny Lewis murdered an innocent 81 year old woman and dismembered her cat. I don’t know if it was too much scientology or not enough scientology, enough ‘make it go right’ or not enough ‘make it go right’. I just knew that I was going to seek life improvement elsewhere. Here’s the picture of the non celebrity and her story:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209903/Hollywood-villa-Katy-Perrys-ex-lover-Scientologist-Johnny-Lewis-killed-landlady-81.html

    http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/catherine-davis-murdered-by-sons-of-anarchy-actor-johnny-lewis

    • Dolly Jones

      Honestly find that too upsetting to read. Does he say how long he was sent down for?

      • Science Doc

        He jumped off the roof head first onto concrete.

        • Dolly Jones

          oh heck!

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  • Lorna pointed out something about Sea Org members and the celebrities. The $0 a week, under or badly fed staffers who can’t get adequate medical care (apparently as common now as in the 70s), impress the dummy celebs with their “dedication.” And since these wide-eyed socially dead-in-the-head “celebrities” are too stupid to inquire about the welfare of the people around them, because they’re not only idiots but HYPNOTIZED, I’ve never had any sympathy for them after I left the cult. When I answered Elvis letters for Priscilla and then quit because Spanky Taylor said something that got me thinking Priscilla might be interested in me romantically (after Priscilla’s boyfriend smacked her), Priscilla wouldn’t even talk to me. Stupid celebrities have an arrogance – I’ve seen it repeatedly in decades in Hollywood, not just around Celebrity Centre. They’re not interested in anyone unless there’s something there for their greedy egos.

    Then there’s intelligence. Priscilla moved into Graceland when she was 15 – how much of an education did she ever get? Anne Archer wasn’t even much of a reader – I remember talking to her when she was doing the Key to Life course to try to handle her literacy problem. Look at how arrogant her son Tommy is and how arrogant Anne has come across on camera when asked about psychiatry – she’s not only horribly ill-informed but terribly insecure, just like Priscilla was when I knew her.

    I knew Denise Duff before she started acting, and her dummy mother, Phyillis Burker. Just not bright bulbs, but they do $cientology and buy into being “superior” and act that way.

    Evil Miscavige didn’t finish high school, but he learned to be a clever, devious liar from Elwrong – who totally publicly faked his own inept education. I’m not sure whether Cruise finished high school – Travolta didn’t.

    The celebrities know? Does it matter? Mine and Cartwright’s mutual close friend, Rose Goss, was an OT8 who could never make it as a writer – her entire education seemed to be $cientology. Rose died of a heart attack after OT8, where was the “cause over life” Hubbard promised?

    I almost spit at the screen when I see people have sympathy for the stupid actors who prop up $cientology, or try to, but it’s not working any more. Tom Cruise is an adrenaline junkie – he doesn’t give a green goddamn about anyone unless it will bring him admiration, or better, adulation. Travolta is a sex addict of the lowest order. I can just imagine him getting a session, feeling great(!) then hurrying out to the closest masseuse to see if he can get “topped off” – waving his naked butt in the air.

    If Cartwright didn’t have Bart Simpson to voice, do you think she’d ever have done anything? No, she got lucky, and then she pisses away her millions on an evil cult that screws over anyone that comes in contact. I wouldn’t want to have Cartwright karma – or the karma of any of the sick $cientology sycophants – they have a major price to pay for their crimes against humankind. And they will pay.

    • danlocke

      Skip, I got to know Rose a bit when I was an outer org trainee at ASHO and she was on staff at ASHO Pubs in the early 70’s. The Ex Scn Forum seems to be about the best place to place anything you might offer as something like a eulogy.

      I still look for news of people I knew when I was involved. The ex scn forum has lots of good people remembering things there and who would contribute to the thread.

      Ex Scientologists seem more capable of considering the people who are in or who have been in Scientology as actually really being “people”. Scientologists who remain in are more likely to categorize and demean people if they don’t conceive them to be in support of Scientology management and church conduct.

      • What’s your point, Dan?

        • danlocke

          That, if you were of the mind to, it might be a good idea to post about Rose Goss at the Ex Scn forum.

          • Thanks for the invitation, but I barely have time for this one.

    • Sid

      In Scientology you can attest to ‘Genius’ and get a cert. ‘Cause you know, if you have a cert it must be true.

      • What’s true for you is true for you, because Ron said so, unless you say something Ron said isn’t true, or if you’re David Miscavige and you can appeal to the worst in egomaniacs and get them to believe any damn thing for a big ole dumbass trophy or even cheaper plaque.

        • Sid

          Ha. My trophy says I’m a Humanitarian so I am a humanitarian.

          • How long did you work for Humana? πŸ˜‰

            • Sid

              Just long enough to get my trophy.

        • Lionel Drinkwater

          My late uncle Haywood was a Doctor of Scientology — or at least that’s what he told the ladies he wanted to impress. Uncle Haywood always had some kind of angle and this is why Scientology appealed to him. In his later years he sold $50 coupon booklets worth $500 in savings. Problem was these coupons were for largely useless items such as pickled hot dogs, pumpkin-flavored bacon, and even a biodegradable carburetor cleaner made from jalapeno peppers. After being chased from Los Angeles by process servers, uncle Haywood relocated to Clearwater where he added to the misery of Scientologists by selling them investments in Uruguayan gold mines, that sort of thing. The Church did not care so long he paid them their cut.

          • Sounds like so many clams I knew over the years – it was a scam a month. Haywood was a real $cientologi$t if you ask me.

    • ze moo

      Tom Cruise was kicked off the football team his senior year for drinking beer. Wikipedia did not say what high school that was or if he actually graduate. I suspect that he did graduate.

      • I believe it was Santa Monica. He was pals with Emilio Estevez and Rob Lowe and that crowd. I think I even mentioned that in a book I wrote about the Sheens.

    • villagedianne

      Don’t hold back, Skip Press. Tell us how you really feel.

      • I wondered how long it would take for someone to use that phrase. Congratulations on your two hours of restraint.

        • villagedianne

          What two hours? I just now read the comment. I have no restraint.
          From the tone of your reply to me it seems you thought I meant to be critical, but I didn’t. Or maybe I’m reading too much into what you said.

          • I had a tone? Dammit, I need to study my tone scale more thoroughly and figure out how to get to Tone 80, Serenity of Snarkiness.

    • here’s a blind item post from yesterdays CDAN…. every commentator concluded it was scientology and just about every single celeb ex-scientology celeb actress/singer was named but no front-runner emerged… do you have a guess?

      pic

  • nottrue

    Priced alittle high……

    • 1subgenius

      Funny you posted that, because I just ordered it. In an article a link to earlier some country guy named it as the one that has the questions you posed during auditing. I have an E meter and I’ve been looking for what questions to use with it.

      I think it’s going to amount to about four bucks delivered.

      • JMasiulewicz

        I wonder if MissCabbage will send someone to the seller’s house to claim that four dollars as the cherch’s.

    • April

      They’d have to pay ME to read that drivel.

  • smew

    1st: Thank you, Lorna, for sharing your experience and for your very specific details about how Sea Org members are treated. The tampons thing is really sticking in my craw. I hope more people hear your story.

    2nd: Hey everyone, contribute to a future “safe haven” where children can be raised by strangers because their parents are absent “on course” or getting audited? Am I reading this right? Should I be as horrified as I am by this??

    3rd: Hey, kids, why are there butt cheeks on you LRH float?

    • Sookie Sookie

      2nd: Yes. Horror is absolutely appropriate.

    • Sid

      I just noticed the butt cheeks. That is too funny.

    • Robert Hammond

      On your 2nd point, I saw this link about a Child Friendly Faith Project that looks worthwhile: http://childfriendlyfaith.org/

    • aegerprimo

      I think the butt cheeks are totally appropriate since LRH pulled most of the “tech” out of his ass, (the rest he copied).

    • Dawn G

      The lack of money for tampons bothers me a lot too. This is barbaric and robs women of their dignity.

  • Great cake; thanks πŸ™‚

    • Robert Hammond

      I’m not sure why, but they like to spell it caek here. Either way, it’s all good.

      • worstcultever

        apropos of nothing – can somebody tell me how the charming “caek” started? I’ve been in the Bunker from jump, but must have missed that day ..

        • Synthia Fagen
          • Are_sics

            Great links, Synthia. I “knew” the second link’s version… I had no idea it really can be traced to the older (Encylcopedia Brittanica) source. Somehow that makes it all funnier. A tradition of mistyping and humorous appropriation of mis-typing. Typeface nerds getting in on the act helps, too.

            • worstcultever

              Thanks everybody! Never had any idea why I dig “caek” so much, clearly it’s because I have a deep feelness for internet scholarliness

            • aegerprimo

              You mean internet poo culture.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              There are websites that match that description. But I don’t know any of them.

          • ^^^^

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          It’s an old anon joke that doesn’t really have anything to do with Scientology. But lots of anons protest Scientology, so, caek.

        • Betsy

          I may be wrong, but it’s a spelling that is common on the funny cat site, Icanhascheezburger.com. The original idea is that cats write and spell in a slightly off way, since they have trouble typing and also are not given a decent education. So they are “kittehs” and they “liek” things and they have “caek” and so on. The lingo, which is actually called Lolspeak, has been noticed as an actual pidgeon language! There are a couple of sites on it. And parts of the Bible and Shakespeare have been translated into Lolspeak. And several Cheezburger books with pictures captioned in Lolspeak. (One example from Shakespeare: “To is or nawt to is…” Kittehs also use lots of exclamation points and they nearly always miss holding the caps down so you see “Ohai!!1!!”

          However, I frequently don’t know the right thing here on the Bunker, so there may well be another explanation preceding my time here. But I will tell you that it has been “caek” on Cheezburger for many years.

          • worstcultever

            ermahgerd, a lolcats thing!? well, so much the better πŸ™‚

            thanks, Betsy .. btw I remember loving the lolcats first line of the Book of Genesis: “Oh hai.”

          • Robert Hammond

            That makes sense now. I’ve been curious about this for quite some time. But looking at the other definition, caek is a lie. Do I need study tech to word clear this now?

          • PappeKak

            Bullshit.

            My cat has noe troubvle whatesoever on the QWERTYUIOP typewriterinthesky.

            LOL

      • Hehehe….you are right, I spelt it wrong, “great caek” πŸ™‚

  • Paying it forward is always good

  • richelieu jr

    So this is amusing: Krustie really must have been pulling it in recently! Two news kerfuffles the same day!

    http://thedailywh.at/2015/05/confusion-day-twitter-thinks-kirstie-alley-caused-bridgegate-nyt-headline/

  • L. C. Spencer

    Balloon-demoing (forget that clay stuff) the 8th Dynamic while dressed as RPF-ers wearing tinfoil hats? Easily the best thing about this parade. I wonder if the two girls in front are wives he left behind.

  • Mary Smith

    Does anyone know how Flag, Belleair Mission gets away with having so many people from outside the US as staff? I thought they had to leave the country every six months or something like this? This would put a big dent in the staff if this were illegal.

    • Sydjazz

      Slave labour is the lrh way πŸ™‚

  • flyonthewall

    hey guys, what’s the haps?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Waiting for my chance to pay $100 to watch two guys beat the craps out of each other.

      • flyonthewall

        bum fight on ppv?

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          You know it.

          • flyonthewall

            why don’t you just sucker punch a stranger? It’s free n infinitely more fun

            • Bad advice, Fly. Don’t listen J3. Bail will cost way more than $100.

            • flyonthewall

              r u kidding!? I usually charge for advise like that but I give it to my man J3 fur free cuz we coo like dat

            • You are a true friend.

            • flyonthewall

              i got yur back but don’t try to play me for no fool. Don’t be playin with my emotions Nat!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Were you superfly earlier or did I hallucinate that? I was tripping pretty hard on some floor wax from the 1930s.

            • flyonthewall

              oh dang, yeah they use to put psilocybin in that stuff back then! Yes, that was in observance of free comic book day. High holy day for nerds n cheap stakes.

              I had a friend once who took shrooms n kept telling his wife over n over ” those scientologists didn’t have to spend all that money. All they needed was 4 mushrooms and they would know what I know. They would know the secret” That was my friend, not me. I don’t do those things.

            • XD

            • flyonthewall

              pft, lego bong. Ridiculous. *tapping finger on the table nervously* Well…I think I hear my sister calling me, gotta go!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              owe me a toke

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              My friend once made a bong out of Legos. That was my friend, not me. I only use Legos responsibly.

            • flyonthewall

              u r liein’ like a mofo but thats awight cuz it made me laugh. The chuckle justifies the means, I always say.

            • Frodis73

              I’d love to see a Lego bong.

            • Jimmy Threetimes
            • Jo

              Looks like Daryl? You shooped the crossbow.

            • Frodis73

              Lol at botany enthusiast.

            • scottmercer

              A Legong?

            • scottmercer

              As long as you go the corner of fountain and berendo.

      • CK

        Heh. Just won $100 on a scratcher and am tempted to call my cable company and plunk it down for Mayweather/Pacquiao.

        • Sydjazz

          Googling for a livestream. I am such a tom boy. P.s congrats on the mini windfall.

          • CK

            Fuck PPV. Good luck finding it for free. Thanks for the compliment; won a grand on the same ticket this past Thanksgiving.

            • Sydjazz

              Wow! I never win on those things

            • CK

              Not worth it; I’ve played off and on for 16 years and that’s the most I’ve ever won.

        • Dawn G

          Some BW3 restaurants are showing it free for customers, if you’re near one.

          • Dawn G

            I take that back. If your local restaurant is showing it, there’s a 20 dollar cover charge. Not all of them are participating.

            • CK

              Screw that. Not much of a wings guy anyway. Went to a Hooters and had a few recently; felt nauseous afterwards.

      • villagedianne

        Toward the end of his life, Howard Cosell came to believe that boxing should be outlawed.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i am watching star wars,son’s girlfriend had false labor chillian out! sigh–and they found a dienectics book at a used book store and took a pic for me(last week)they are gonna take me to it soon so i can see if there is more books.been hectic-am gonna get him to help me post it when there is time,how’s the lego’s goin?

      • flyonthewall

        False labor? Oh my, bummer. Our last was tough like that. Wife was very mad that the elephant at our local zoo had her baby n ours just wouldn’t come. She was very jealous of that elephant.

        Legos n my office are a mess. Been thinking lately I should get started but am miraculously finding so many other things to do πŸ˜‰

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          her first,7 and half months,i figured maybe braxton hicks,but were real,gave her meds and they stopped,but now no restrictions for work.i am very upset,she should at least have a few days off ! i don’t get it ! oh well i took a xanex,my poor son is freaking out,she is calm πŸ™‚

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            and really look forward to your lego’s–they are Awesome!

          • flyonthewall

            that’s so lame, sorry for her. Very hard to find employers who are sympathetic n accommodating nowadays. Closer to due date it is born the better though, little guy needs all the time he/she can get. They know the sex?

            Thnx Donna, that is awesome of u πŸ™‚

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              exactly ! a littel girl- Hanah-just had ultra sound and got pic of her blowing a bubble-really cool-very stressful,i just pray that God cooks her enough to be ok if she is early.

            • flyonthewall

              Umm, gonna be a daddy’s girl! Nothing like the daddy/daughter bond. She will have your son wrapped around her pinky in no time. I am helpless against mine n they know it. Hanah is a beautiful name, seriously. My first was 6 wks early, spent a few wks in NICU but was ok in the end. Lungs r the last to develop. He pulled out his breathing tube on the first night and was scooting around the incubator thingee, it was crazy. She’ll be ok πŸ™‚

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh yes-but she will be Nanas girl ! ha – i had problems with my second,they wanted me to have a abortion-no way-we both almost didn’t make it-he was 3 months early-but cooked enough-had some lung probs first year-but is fine–its hard to see your kid go through it instead of yourself–i guess i am just getting to old for this shit-lol thanx for careing

            • Frodis73

              Really cool pic I bet. The new ultra sound ‘tech’ is pretty awesome.

            • Robert Eckert

              If it was going to be a boy, they were going to name him Newb, but since it’s a girl, they’re thinking Ermagerd.

    • A bird in the chimney

      My derby pick won!

      • flyonthewall

        *high five*

        • A bird in the chimney

          o

  • Thank you BraveBloggers for the wonderful real welcome. I am overwhelmed with all of the support from this great group. Your words are inspirational and give me so much hope for the future of this planet. There are sane, ethical people like yourselves trying to make sense to the insanity while giving a helpful supportive shoulder to a stranger trying to do the same. Thanks.

    • flyonthewall

      Sane and ethical? You want the other bunker just down the road. Nothing but kooks n grifters here n that’s the way I like it

      • I am glad that you can read between the lines πŸ™‚

        • flyonthewall

          i got my education in the streetz kid! They don’t teach u that in no classroom

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      If you’re anywhere near Florida, come on over tonight for double dark cholocate fudge cake and real vanilla ice cream. I should be done with this science project by 10 pm. The conversion tables threw me for a loop, and I had to run out for a sifter and a scale and I felt for a bit like Hubbard in is pretend sciencey labs. But if nothing else, the whole house smells like deep chocolate, so if the cake is a fail, you can just come for the ice cream and sniff the air! I have go take a shower and get the batter of out of my hair now. Do Not go into the kitchen, otherwise, kick off your shoes and make yourself at home.

      • Sydjazz

        Mmmm chocolate

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Will save you a piece if you can get the Volunteer Ministers over here. Kitchen = disaster area.

          • Frodis73

            Yeah but they’ll just stand around and take pics. Don’t expect them to clean up. I will help you tho in exchange for some caek and ice cream! YUM.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              small panic. cake is Not coming out of the pan, even though nonstick pan. Still warm, so hope when they are cool? I bought Caphalon pans. Do you know?

            • Frodis73

              Even tho it was a non stick pan, did you spray it or butter and flour it? That always helps but obviously too late now. Sometimes cooling does help. Let it cool a bit more and then grab a butter knife to go around and try to loosen the edges.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okay then. I did take a spatula around the sides. This has been quite the project! It’s the bottom that is stuck.

            • Frodis73

              Yay! Baking can be quite a project. I have a really small kitchen now so I don’t get to do it anymore. Can’t wait to see pics.

            • Owned By Dogs

              Put a plate over the cake pan. Hold them together and flip it so the pan is resting on top of the plate. Place plate and pan on counter. Tap the bottom of the cake pan. It should come out. Some cake may stick but that’s what frosting is for.

            • Beth

              this is what I was just typing F73! run a knife around the edges, put a plate over the top, hold steady and flip it. Good luck!

            • Beth

              and p.s. we’re getting a photo, right?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yeppers!

            • Leigh Andrews

              Your cake is finished cooking when it has shrunk slightly away from the sides of the pan and a knife or skewer stuck in the center of the cake comes out clean. Cooling the cake can help it come out of the pan. A fallback position is to frost the cake layers in the pans, slice them, and serve with a pie server. A bit of extra frosting or some whipped cream can cover up any mistakes. There are cakes such as Chocolate Decadence that are usually served as a single layer.

              One of the strangest ways that I’ve ever had to cool a cake was in a tube pan (like angel food cake) upside down over a bottle because the cake was pretty delicate (chiffon cake-think flavored angel food cake but with a bit more flour and eggs that are separated, whipped to the proper consistency, then the air incorporated in the egg whites and egg yolks are used to leaven the cake).

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks you all. Mr. Hole could care less about appearances or eating a single layer out of a pan, but this was a lot of work, starting from shopping for the hardware. So I’m going to try that patience thing and way till they cool some more. The cake is definitely done and it did shrink on sides. It’s sticking on the bottom.
              Bundt cakes are for master chefs!

            • Sarah James

              He’s a keeper πŸ™‚

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              He already said the frosting is the best, so it’s all good. I hope all those lurkers thinking about getting out will think about the simple pleasures and fun of baking a cake from scratch, making a wonderful mess, running around for forgotten items, all for a celebration of bonus and pat on the back for a good job. This is the kind of stuff that gets lost in the scientology bubble.

            • Leigh Andrews

              Next you will learn to make just a cup (or so) of frosting.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              have fun-baking is great-did it in a restaurant for 30 yrs. not professional,but my advice-always grease and flour pans,you will learn as you go-its a blast-so happy for you !

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Mr hole – “Just give me a shovel, I’m good.”

              http://i.imgur.com/bfrxCPX.jpg?1

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              it will taste yummy-and its the love and thought that is so special ! so shovel him a big hunk !

            • Frodis73

              Lol, typical man, they don’t care about how it looks. πŸ™‚ Looks damn good to me! Looks like two types of choc frosting. I wish I could come eat some.

            • Leigh Andrews

              A bit of extra frosting will repair the part that stuck. Sometimes the handle of a spoon works better than a knife to loosen a Bundt cake. You want to loosen the cake once cooled all the way down to the bottom of the pan, both on the walls of the pan and along the hole in the Bundt pan, and be gentle as you do it.

              The worst-case scenario is that you loosen the cake as much as you can, turn the pan onto a plate, let the cake fall down, and then use some exra frosting to make the part that stuck to the pan stick to the rest of the cake. This repair will be hidden if the cake is fully frosted.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I have some left over super glue.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh my gosh–i have learned how to use frosting-whip cream-fruit to hide things,use toothpicks to hold it together lol-i love baking !

            • Frodis73

              Wow, that cake sounds really good, lol.

            • romanesco

              It should shrink as it cools. Best to let it cool before trying to get it out.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gah – well, it was almost cool – and I got them out! Needs a little super glue, but I can make it work. I really should have let it cool another half hour. Also, got so engrossed in all the conversion tables, I forgot to lower the temp due to the nonstick pan being dark. Cake’s moist so what the heck.

              It’s like a tasty lick in a song recorded with a few minor bad notes. You can always fix it in the mix – in this case frosting. Mr. Hole is laughin’ his butt off, finding chocolate in the weirdest places in the kitchen and me cursin’ like a sailor at my pans. Has to wait another hour getting cakes very cold before frosting – so I’ll have to keep an eye on him trying to sneak in. We have Robert Clay cranked up playing the blues for us while we cook.

            • romanesco

              Yay! Success. Frosting could do as super glue, applied on the top and sides. And next time you will have a perfect cake! Or is it caek?

            • L. C. Spencer

              Calphalon pans are good. Still want to use baking spray though — Pam or Baker’s secret or whatever, just make sure you have “the baking kind” meaning it has not just fat but flour in it. Works like a charm for me.

              You’ve got me drooling from here, by the way. CHOCOLATE.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              come over – I have all this cake now – and one slice each is enough for us!

            • L. C. Spencer

              Hon I can taste it from over here across the bay! YUM

            • aquaclara

              I still rely on the flour and buttering of the pan even with no stick. That’s useless today, but here’s my tip for fixing things. To even out the cake the has come out of the pan, take a look at it. See where things are uneven. Cut off the uneven parts, dip them in frosting and eat them. That way there are no bits that mar the perfection of the rest of the cake. See? Easy as, well, cake.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            they will just want to touch your caek–ew

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Aren’t all the VM’s in Nepal?

            Lol.

      • aquaclara

        “The whole house smells like deep chocolate.” YUM.

    • Dylan

      great job on speaking out. thanks for putting yourself out there and telling the truth.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Thank you for speaking out and sharing your story. I wish you the best in your lawsuit, (but maybe more importantly) peace of mind and happiness as you continue on your journey OUT. I’m glad to hear you can reconnect with your sons. At least this starting over is how you want to be, not what $ci can get from you. Keep on keeping on!

      • You are welcome, and thanks for your kind words. Yes, I am lucky to be out and have awesome sons who have been here for me. Yes, I am doing things on my own terms now, and I hope my words help others break free and begin a new and better life as well.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          i am a newbe-lurker here-so glad your out πŸ™‚ boys are so great to their mamas-so glad you are together ! i also have two boys

          • Thanks Donna; it feels good to be out πŸ™‚
            I hope all is well with you and your boys

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh yes πŸ™‚

            • Good to hear. All the best

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              You too – good luck with your lawsuit

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh also a never in-i got sucked down the rabbit hole-i think around last Christmas-new year-can’t remember-i was on youtube and came across raids by Anonymous-Torymagoo-Bob Minton,etc. it led to more and more and i am just a outraged American,and pray daily for Captain David Miscavige’s Arrest !

            • While, your prayers will come true as it will happen πŸ™‚

    • Robert Hammond

      It gets better.

    • aegerprimo

      It’s wonderful to have you here Lorna, and thank you for sharing your story. It helps us heal, us exes. It is brave of you to share your experiences on the internet to let the world know of the crimes of the cult of $cientology and shows that there are many of us hurt by this cult.

      • I am sorry to hear of your pain and suffering, but I hope that you and others that have suffered as well mend soon; and yes, it is harder on we execs as we were the ones who had to make others do things that we feel badly about. Thank you for your support and I do hope my voice helps liberate others so they too can be free and live a good life.

    • L. C. Spencer

      We are very glad you are here! Please keep posting and know we have your back!

    • Missionary Kid

      I hope the suit is in B.C. Canadian courts may not be as accommodating to the Co$ as those of the United States.

      I wish you the best.

      Since $cientology considers itself an island of ethics and sanity, for you to leave them means that to their definition, you are insane. Of course, the black PR has probably just started.

      I am not a fan of independent Scientology, but anything is better than Co$. At least you are free to question and doubt.

      • Missionary Kid; thanks for your well wishes. And yes, the case is in BC and the Canadian courts are different than those in the US so it will be different.
        I understand your viewpoints on the Independent field, but you stating this and still wishing me well is a huge statement to your character. Thanks.

        • Frodis73

          Welcome Lorna. A lot of us are not fans of the indie movement, but we do wish you nothing but the best. I follow some of the indie sites from time to time and there are too many that think we are “out to get you guys” in some way. It’s just not true, we want all the abusive practices ended.

          • That is a good thing to want; the stop of abusive practices; that is what I want too.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was involved with a group that did what would be called co-auditing in Scientology terms, but feelings were to be talked about by the person being audited, they picked the topics, there wasn’t any veneration of a leader, nothing was written down, the auditor didn’t discuss what was talked about in a session, unless the person being audited authorized it, and the person being audited could talk about their own “case” with whomever they wanted. There was NO e-meter.

          It was an offshoot of early Dianetics, but with at least two degrees of separation. It was called Co-counselling International. Note the double “l”. It’s a breakaway from the organization with the single “l”, because of concerns about a cult like atmosphere, and ethical (In real world terms) concerns.

          I found it helpful, it was nearly free, but conventional therapy is better, but since it was much more available, it was helpful as an adjunct to conventional therapy.

          Each person had a half hour to be audited, then they would become the auditor for half an hour. The job of the auditor was to keep the other person talking about their feelings, and not to force the other person into any areas they didn’t want to talk about.

          One of the reasons that I hate Co$ is that it imposes all sorts of beliefs on its members.

          Your innate sense of right and wrong led you out of the mindfuck that is $cientology. You’re now free to determine your own path, be it as an Indy or whatever other path you take. I wish you peace.

          • What you describe sounds therapeutic and helpful to people and I am glad that it was helpful to you. I believe in things that help people. And once again, thank you for your well wishes and kind words. I wish the same for you and others.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you for speaking up, and giving Tony a great interview today. I hope you’ll continue to send him things as you recall them, as well as updates on your case. We are avid court room followers (and cheerers) here– you will never be alone in the courtroom.

      Welcome out, and wishing you much luck recovering from all that you’ve been through.

      • Yes, Tony did a fabulous job with his blog today; he is a great writer. I will try and keep you all in the loop; thanks for listening and caring. It is nice to know there are so many great people out there who want to see justice.
        And thanks, I continue to get better and better each day that I am out and now I am strong enough to fight back to help others get out.
        Cheers

  • I am glad you can read between the lines πŸ™‚

  • Allegations that the APA colluded with the CIA to enable torture of prisoners. The Scios are going to have a field day. Very disappointing
    http://news.sciencemag.org/scientific-community/2015/04/apa-hit-new-torture-allegations

    • Frodis73

      This is definitely disappointing but not all that surprising. That administration had their minds made up and did whatever it took to shape information and get people to do what they wanted.
      I hate that sometimes they (sci) are sorta right about some aspects of psychology. Not right exactly, but they do have some points. I think you guys know what I mean. Big Pharma has a lot of faults but scientology is wrong about things and their approach is awful. I hope this came out right and not as a defense of cchr, because I *hate* that organization-they are dangerous too.
      Thanks for sharing this one Nat. We will have to keep an eye on what they do with this info.

      • Yep. CCHR is looney tunes but stuff like this makes the uniformed more likely to fall for CCHR BS.

        • Frodis73

          Glad you got my drift on that. It especially sucks how they target people in crisis (military) and steam roll them with tons of info (false of course) that confuses them.

          • aegerprimo

            Unfortunately, there is A LOT of that going on in the world, and the Co$ is not the only entity guilty of it. The U.S. government and all governments use “wag the dog” spin to make people believe and think the way they want them to. They hope people are too lazy to do their research to find out what’s really going on.
            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wag+the+dog

    • flyonthewall

      they’re just jealous CIA didn’t approach them first

      • scottmercer

        Yeah, Scientology attacking psychology is like guys that sell fake Rolexes attacking Rolex.

    • Sydjazz

      Sea org makes cia look like pansies

      • Mockingbird

        Grudge match : CIA mind control vs Scientology mind control .

  • The Dude

    I just watched the Chris Shelton’s video from yesterday.

    It made me think about the lyrics of one of my many, many favorite songs.

    “Gotta find a new religion”

    F5

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et9b7LWfnxQ

    • lmnop

      I would love a chance to dance on that floor to my favorite music, looks like fun!

    • Sydjazz

      Love jamiroquai

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Niiice selection

  • Sydjazz

    That baby buddha gave me nightmares last time ughhh

    • Jo

      It’s the quizzical, all knowing eyebrows. Really creepy.

    • aegerprimo

      Here, you may need this…..

      • Sydjazz

        I’ll buy ten lol

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    The only thing I really dislike about the Bunker is that there are so few caek-related threads.

    • Super Power Wogsie

      Because cake is overrated. Fruit tarts are waaaaaaay better…F5

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Fruit tarts aren’t even the best tarts. That would be Poptarts.

        • Super Power Wogsie

          okay okay…second to fruit tarts are cinnamon pop tarts with milk…toasted. Sorry I would say F5 but this was the only option I was given on Vday. oh well…i’ll ask for poptarts next time.

        • You sure of that ranking system?
          http://www.sito.org/id/mky/slt3-cov.jpg

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I wouldn’t even know how to eat that. Knife and fork or pizza style?

            • Super Power Wogsie

      • Leigh Andrews

        Wouldn’t the filling of your fruit tart go well with some sponge cake?

        Your fruit tart looks delicious. It looks like you have lined your pan with shortbread cookies, pastry or something similar.

        • Super Power Wogsie

          Actually…it was a store bought fruit tart provided to me as a gift from my dad on Valentines day. If I could learn how to make fruit tarts on my own I would. The only custard recipe I know how to make so far is creme brulee.

          • Leigh Andrews

            If you’ve ever had strawberry shortcake, you’ve had sponge cake. You want a cake that isn’t strongly flavored so that the flavor of the fruit is what you taste.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        A good fruit tart is Hubturd’s favorite.

    • Leigh Andrews

      I usually bake for my office a few times per year, and I have to wonder about them. The thing that they like most are the 45-pack of cookies that I got at Safeway when I was in a rush one day. I can accept that some people like cookies better than cake, but not that they like bad cookies better than good cookies.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Yeah, that’s ridiculous.

    • aegerprimo

      Don’t know about you but….. (f5)

  • aegerprimo

    In case you missed it yesterday, I have posted the lists of Church of Scientology bad press at my ongoing threads at the ex-scientology chat forums. I was finally able to post the lists to Reaching For The Tipping Point message board. Choose your favorite to see the lists and written news, plus TV and radio. You do not have to be a member of any of these forums to view the lists and use the links.

    ESMB (Ex-Scientologist Message Board) –
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38261-Co-Bad-Press-Collection-2015&p=1031900&viewfull=1#post1031900

    WWP (Why We Protest) –
    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/co-bad-press-collection-2015.123076/#post-2532468

    OCMB (Operation Clambake Message Board) –
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=724770#p724770

    ESK (Ex-Scientology Kids) –
    http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11477&p=35043#p35043

    RFTTP (Reaching For The Tipping Point) –
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12869.msg35398.html#msg35398

    • aquaclara

      Thank you, Aegerprimo! I have to say, there is something pretty wonderful about seeing the sheer magnitude of FAIL for Captain Miskabibble. Great work pulling this all together every month. The lists seem to be getting longer this year.

      It’s like every day is a bad one for him. πŸ™‚

    • salin

      Thank you! I first read your aggregations at OCMB. Placed back to back to back to back to back (etc.) for a single month it is like watching the mortar crumble between the bricks of a once solid (but malicious) wall.

      • aegerprimo

        I started this project last year, so there is the 2014 aggregations as well. ☺

        Visit the Co$ Bad Press lobby 2014 hosted by Miss Tia, Bunkerite Extraordinaire –
        http://misstia.com/badpress2014.html

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Eat your heart out, scientology. Mr Hole has me and now … cake! Decadently good. Congrats to Mr Hole. “It’s even better than my mom’s” he said wisely. My work is done.

    http://i.imgur.com/GV61qD6.jpg

    • A bird in the chimney

      om nom nom!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      thanks for all the help. I needed every bit.

    • Leigh Andrews

      And you’re not sending us the recipe?

      Your cake looks great.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Here ‘ya go. I skipped the extra Italian frosting. Make sure to use cake flour. Also I used Hershey’s Special Dark Unsweetened 100% cacao powder – it has the Dutch process kind.

        http://www.createdby-diane.com/2013/05/dark-chocolate-fudge-cake.html
        http://www.createdby-diane.com/2013/05/how-to-make-hot-fudge-sauce.html

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          well honestly to me-yours looks like it tastes way better-and taking a recipe and making it your own-well i think your a natural

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Oh no, I followed it all – just not that extra type filling. Really makes a difference with the right stuff too.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              well imo for your fist caek its awesome-but looks like you changed chocolate ?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No same, including the Ghiradelli chips.

    • Frodis73

      I love the sugar heart!! Looks super chocolatey, dark chocolate too. Yum.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      that looks sooo delicious—-congrats !

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s a blackhole cake. It is soooo rich – notice you see no light coming out of the cake? None! It really is awesome. It’s death by choclate good.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          it really does look like it tastes wonderful πŸ™‚

    • aquaclara

      That is a gorgeous cake. Mmmmm. Thanks for sharing!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s as awesome as the stuff they served at that amazing little restaurant – the one with the Word War II martini’s!

        • aquaclara

          You’re amazing. You brought back the image of that terrific restaurant, just like that. And look at you- Chef Hole. Making magic.

          This thread was a blast. Congratulations on your awesome new skill.

        • OOkpik

          Congratulations on your raise and bonus, Mr Hole. May there be many more to come.
          THDNE, damn, you are a gift in yourself. You rock!

    • The Dude

      Nice job!
      And that is from a real Chef.
      I love the cool tray as well.
      Looks like a cookbook photo.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Alright! The Dude has spoken. I had to get the picture of that parade float out of my head. This is working!

        • The Dude

          I want to tell you how much it meant to me, what you said the other day. We were discussing a troll that I got into a bad joke with.
          What you said to me. Has been nagging me for days.
          Guilt by association is real. And my family is my life.
          They look up to me and I cannot let them down.
          Thank You.
          I have been stewing this for 2 days.
          The Dude thinks a lot.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You’re a good dude. It comes across even in a blog. I am so glad it didnt come off the wrong way, which can happen. Good for you on getting it. Your really shine when you speak about your family.

    • Ardent

      Bravo, Hole. It looks really nice. Yum…
      Ardent

      • The Dude

        How are you, my Friend?
        The Dude

        • Ardent

          Hi. I’m trudging along. Kind of aimless.

    • Vaquera

      From just looking at your pic, I can smell the chocolatey-baked goodness. I’ve raided my pantry for a bag of mini chocolate chips to quell the craving.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I want all the lurkers out there wondering how they can possibly make it outside scientology to see how happy Lorna looks in that picture and how well she and her family are together. Im making a big deal a out Mr Hole’s success because while it took a few years and hard work, it is doable.

        And I wanted them to remember when learning used to be fun, and the joy of making stuff for the sheer joy of it. For awhile after scientology, I didnt want to read or study anything I didn’t have to. Today we had a blast all day long, down to changing the music for different steps, the laptop on one table, tablet on the counter. I hope someone out there today gets interested, or at least hungry, for the good life again. There’s a lot of helping hands out here if they are. And chocolare.

        • Vaquera

          Sounds like you and Mr. Hole had a joyous day. That it had the ultimate goal of inspiring others…unselfishly wonderful.

        • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

          I know what you mean, as when I replenish my multiple large hummingbird feeders I
          remind myself that that is Real Life, not the Scientology maybe someday pie-in-the-sky
          crap. In the evening I can count up to 20 hummers at one time arriving to charge up for
          the long night. Their colors are just amazing. Also their speed and acceleration is something to behold. All that in a package that weighs one-quarter of an ounce.
          Man will never engineer anything that amazing !

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      The caek DOES exist! It is not a lie. Nice!

    • AintMizBahavin

      my sweet tooth has kicked in big time. its looks extra gooey and yummy. i’ll be in my kitchen all today later today trying to make a double chocolate cake with dominican buttercream frosting i hope it looks almost as good as yours does. been a number of years since i’ve done any from scratch baking wish me luck

    • Diane

      I’m not crazy about chocolate. Or cake. But dang, that looks freaking awesome.

    • CK

      I was expecting two rectangular cakes parallel to each other. In any event, that cake looks amazing.

    • Elegant Mess

      Hey! You got it out of the pan, congrats! That looks amaze-balls, BTW.
      *drool*

  • Tony Ortega

    Are they rioting in Manila?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      No. The black man won this time.

      • Did you watch it?

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Yeah. I thought Manny fought hard, and won at least one more round than the judges gave him credit for, but he never really hurt Floyd. He was catching Floyd in the ropes and going into furies that didn’t really connect, but he got in a couple good shots. Mostly the fight didn’t match the hype. Floyd was kinda toying with him.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            First two rounds, every time they locked up, Floyd kept hitting him in the ribs on the side he thought the ref couldn’t see. What a classless prick.

            • Thanks for your report. I didn’t watch it. The impression I have so far – the whole thing was just a big money-making event for all the parties involved. This was not a real fight. I could be wrong.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah it really wasn’t worth paying for. Good thing I didn’t. And there are reports that it cut out for a lot of people. Hey… thousands of people are owed refunds and it’ll be a hellish struggle to get them. Sounds familiar.

            • Hey, I once paid $350 for a bottle of cologne. It’s all good, as long as it’s fun.

            • Super Power Wogsie

              I paid that for my Japanese hair straightening. Totally worth it.

            • There is a Japanese hair straightening?

            • Super Power Wogsie

              Yep ; ) it’s basically a perm to make your hair straight until it grows out. Makes wavy/curly hair straight, silky, and smooth, and it stays that way after you wash it. So worth it.

            • Sounds like a good straight deal.

            • Are_sics

              Yeah, you’re wrong. It was what was expected — a great defensive fighter fought defensively… and threw counterpunches bedause…. that’s what he does. Manny didn’t press hard enough for something else to happy.

              Wait, what was your theory? That Mayweather was trying to hide rib-shots in the clinch? Legal, scoreable (above the belt) shots from the clinch?

              I was very disappionted in the fight, as I expected to be. And I was, once again, disappointed that all thanks go to the deity, first thing…. but that’s sports for you. It’s always God that picks the winners.

            • Thanks for your report. The rib-shots is Jimmy’s theory/observation, btw.
              I didn’t even watched it. Do you think UFC is more real? Is there real fighting these days?

            • Are_sics

              Dodo – I’m incompetent, evidently, with Disqus, because I thought I was responding to Jimmy3x! Yes, the “rib shot theory” was his and I don’t grok it. (Again, because… rib shots are legal… and you wouldn’t hide them…)

              I think the fight was quite real. Mayweather is a defensive fighter, among the best ever He’s an eel, he’s very hard to tag. And he kept the distance pretty well with his jab and slipped out of the corner with his speed. Most of the time kept distance with his jab and was content to win on points. EXACTLY playing to his strenghts and happy to just win. Pacquiao may have landed a couple of bigger punches… (and maybe not)…. but he never got off a combnation, and Mayweather knows how t his game is scored. No one could say Manny won 6 or 7 rounds on points, and that’s what it would have taken to win, given no knock out.

              I think UFC is real, too, sure…

              Real “streeth fights”? Where someone gets their head slammed in a car door or stabbed??? No, thank goodness! (But that’s not what you mean). So yeah, they’re both sports. But I think this fight was real enough, given that it’s a sport.

            • Thank you for your answer/s. I appreciate it.

            • Are_sics

              Most welcome, and again I’m sorry about my Disqus-incompetence. And I’m also sorry to be something of a boxing fan when there was $400 Million (tickets and television sales) on this stuff.

            • No need to be sorry.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You don’t grok much apparently. When I said it wasn’t what was expected, I mean it wasn’t what the media and the Internet and everyone seemed to think it’d be. It didn’t live up to the hype. It was billed as the fight of the century.

              The voiceover guy on the introduction video even said “…this is the fight that fate itself prepared to yearn.” What kind of bullshit is that?

              But you can take what I said out of context and go on a rant if you want. I don’t care.

            • Eivol Ekdal
            • Are_sics

              Was there context I missed? (There wasn’t a rant, there was my own fight summary for Dodo, which was requested — which differed from yours. Rant-free).

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah, just a misunderstanding. I said Floyd won the fight outright, and was just pointing to the ribs as a cheap shot. I wasn’t trying to imply they directly affected the outcome.

              Anyway, sorry if my reply was over the top. Didn’t mean any offense.

            • Frodis73

              Dontcha know that God is *very* concerned about our sports teams and Grammy winners? He’s kind of addicted…that is why the world is shit. πŸ˜€

            • Are_sics

              Yeah…. well… like Roger Waters said, What God Wants, God Gets. (Including Mayweather, is the necessary corollary).

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              When they’re locked up and one guy gets 3-5 shots in on the other guy’s ribs AFTER the ref is calling for them to break it, you think that’s a legal shot that the judges count? And I was only pointing out that it happened. I never said it swayed the fight or that I have “a theory”. I saw it happen. It’s not a theory.

              Mayweather would’ve won without that, and it only happened in the first two rounds because the ref was watching for it throughout the rest of the match.

          • Will he go for 50-0 before retiring?

    • CK

      The Muslims in Mindanao will get back to killing infidels and demanding their own state. That would’ve happened regardless of whether or not Pacquiao won.

    • Are_sics

      Nope. It ain’t L.A., after all.

  • AintMizBahavin

    im off to bed but i had to come and post this.. refresher course when i first started commenting here i posted a link to a story by a lady named susan reed who declared that she was told by a alien that tom cruise is one of them.. well tonight i found this on a forum article and i just have to share it. for the laughs.. the cloning center stories have been coming out in full force and so have the scientist stories of uploading human intelligence into chips etc. not sure how i feel about it all yet. but im well aware of the d.u.m.bo.d = deep underground military bases. to many ex cia,fbi,nsa,and dhs agents have told their stories on youtube and online sites.. such as phil schneider, ted gunderson and al bielik along with susan ford, brice taylor and many others the part about lyingtology in this comment is what bought me to laughter !!!!

    Donald Marshall – 32nd level of knowledge is cloning 33rd is vrill

    u gotta know about the man made saucers along with vrill to be 33rd…. so now yer 33rd lol… level of knowledge hehehehe…

    But 33rd degree of freemason knowledge is no more

    And the highest scientology BS That’ll usually run ya several thousand
    you guys, like lots, I saved you so much time and trouble…

    you guys know highest level of knowledge of scientology now, cloning and
    Vrill, same as freemasons 33rd level of knowledge, usually with
    scientology it costs you 500,000 dollars I think to buy the levels of
    knowledge, and I just saved you all a buncha cash LOL!

    if you read my wall you will know the 33rd degree of freemason
    knowledge, which is also the highest scientologist knowledge. FREE

    link to thread itself

    http://astral7ight.blogspot.fi/p/33rd-degree-freemason-highest-level-of.html

    • omnom
      • Mymy88

        Okay look. I didn’t want to say anything because god knows I love aintmizbehavin and think she’s great, but I have to admit, this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen posted at the Bunker, if not thee funniest!

        Please don’t be mad at me aintmizbehavin, it’s more the GIF than anything else. I know people that get into that conspiracy stuff (even a relative) and I know how weird it can sound. It’s just I have no clue what you are talking about either. Not that what you say is bad or anything, It’s just very unusual but that’s totally normal as far as conspiracy things go, usually LOL. .

        • Frodis73

          Whatever the dude is rambling about he is wrong. Scientology has nothing to do with cloning or the vrill society (or whatever the heck it’s called) anyway. That I know of anyway…it’s been awhile since I’ve looked at the OT stuff (it hurts my head) but I don’t remember Hubbard talking about cloning. That conspiracy shit drives me bat shit crazy-LOL.

          • Mymy88

            Donald Marshall, hmm. Maybe he is some kind of indie off on a very strange branch? Or an ex-scientologist that is off on a strange branch? Or even a never-in. Or maybe he’s allllll on his own lol.

            • Frodis73

              LMFAO-He has a hold page dedicated to this (short and sweet):
              Why Hasn’t The Illuminati Killed Don?
              Umm, because there is no such thing as the illuminati is the answer I’d go for. Of course that is not one of the options.

            • Mymy88

              Oh Lawd. Yeah, I have a relative and her spouse that were into conspiracy theories and I never really listened or knew what they were talking about. I would just be like, hmm, and try to change the subject. But yes, I remember they would mention this illuminati sometimes, but I think they are getting away from all of that, I hope. I have not heard either of them say anything about all that stuff in quite a while.

            • Frodis73

              What really bugs me is that big business and govt’s really are involved in some awful, horrible stuff…just not the stuff these people think. It takes away from the real damage they engage in.

            • Mymy88

              Ah, that sounds completely plausible and I can believe that easily.

        • bobcox

          “Not that what you say is bad”

          It’s not only bad, it’s dangerous. That website she linked to is the fringe of the fringe of the fringe. It’s for the people who somehow fell out of favor with the patriot movement and the white supremacists and the evangelical church and even their local militia. Don’t be fooled by the talk of cloning and lizards, it’s really all about ignorance and anti-semitism and hate. I certainly hope AintMizBahavin isn’t involved with that crowd.

          • Frodis73

            I linked her to Chris Shelton’s excellent video about conspiracy theories. I also 100% agree with you. That stuff is a hot button with me, big time.
            I also like Ain’tMisbehavin and wouldn’t want her to leave or stop posting other stuff.

          • Mymy88

            Ohhh! Well I just meant I didn’t think she was doing anything bad because she was laughing at it, or are you saying it’s bad because she posted anything about it at all?

            • bobcox

              I don’t mind people linking to silly sites, and I have no idea what AintMizBehavin believes, but the fact that she references (endorses) names like Ted Gunderson and Susan Ford (aka Brice Taylor) is not comforting.

            • Mymy88

              I didn’t see her endorse that at all. Well, I’ll go read her post again.

            • Frodis73

              She was def poking fun with this post, but in the past she has endorsed some troubling stuff. That is why I linked her to the Chris Shelton video and asked her to please watch it.

            • Mymy88

              Oh okay. I didn’t know about the past stuff. Well I’m glad you gave her the link. I really don’t now a lot about conspiracy theories because it just seemed what little I did hear, was too far out there, or maybe not so far out there, but no proof, ever, not even close.

            • Frodis73

              Oh, it’s way out there girl. You should go read some stuff. It’s as bad as reading LRH imo. They think things like the red eye in photo is an indicator that the person is an alien, spraying vinegar (from spray bottle no less) gets rid of chemtrails, 911, Sandy Hook are all “false flag” ops by the govt to take our guns, etc. It’s way, way, way out there shit.

            • Mymy88

              I believe you when you say it’s way out there, because I have never heard of anything like that and don’t want too lol.

            • bobcox

              Put it into context. She is giving them legitimacy.

            • Mymy88

              Umm… Mymy88 and context comprehension = does not always work out so well, especially when it comes to conspiracy theories lol.

            • Mymy88

              Well it reads to me that she just said she was aware of them, and especially I didn’t think she was condoning them because the next thing she says is, ” the part about lyingtology in this comment is what bought me to laughter !!!!”

            • Robert Eckert

              All of a sudden you are in the business of policing commenters and casting aspersion on their motives? I thought you considered that a bad thing.

  • daytoncapri

    Nancy Cartright lives in a bubble of celebrity which shields her from criticism. She also is very likeable even as she pushes her Scientology, WTH, and her happy house. She’s a teflon-coated home town hero in Dayton, and damn it, I am not reporting anything new. She needs to be exposed to everyone and that includes her own sorry self.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    I’m still staring at that crappy. creepy baby Buddha statue.
    Why does it look like it is missing fingers and has a deformed hand?
    Isn’t Her royal governess of the full of shit valley an OTEleventy?
    Surely a big being as herself has command over clay models, since she should have done dozens of them up the bridge.

    • Newiga

      Yes, the statue is creepy. When it’s paired with the message from the royal governor, it’s double creepy….

    • Frodis73

      I never noticed that before, but you’re right! That baby is missing a couple digits. Or they are curled somehow…either way it looks wrong.

  • Justin Castillo

    The baby needs to be on @midnight

  • Going to watch “Avengers: Age of Lron” today. I heard it’s good.

    • Scream Nevermore

      It is very good!

      • Thanks. James Spader closed the deal for me.

        • Frodis73

          I did not know he was in it. I’ll bet he was awesome.

          • Scream Nevermore

            He’s the voice of Ultron. He does ‘robot gone insane but happy to be so’ to perfection!

          • Awesome is his middle name.

  • Off topic – anyone here lives in Maine?

    • Frodis73

      Richard Grant does, I’m 99% sure.

      • Thanky. So as Steven King, btw.

        • Frodis73

          Yep! I swear he’s mentioned King in the past too. I love SK and it really stuck out. He was also confirming everything I’ve heard about him (he’s a really nice guy).
          eta-Do you read Dark Tower? Just caught the thanky thing was thinking “thankee sai”. Lol.

          • Cool. I have some questions for Richard. I want to move there.

            • Frodis73

              Cool! I want to visit the area someday. It is absolutely beautiful. Tough winters depending on what part of the state, otherwise I’d think of moving there. I can’t deal with OH winters, I’d loose my shit if I was up in the northern part of Maine. Summer visits would kick ass though.

            • Ohio winters (any seasons) are bipolar to the extreme. Almost anything is better, imho.

            • Frodis73

              Lol, I like that line and I will steal it!
              I hate, hate, hate the cold. Not happy when it’s below about 55 in all honesty. I am def in the wrong state. I need the warmth of the sun to function.

            • Maine is not warm either, but it’s a lot more consistent.
              And it sure beats Ohio in many ways.

            • Judith Sylvester

              Same in Indiana. Too hot and too cold, and no space in between.

            • And stupid brutal tornadoes.

            • lmnop

              Dodo, just happened to read this comment this morning about Maine on another blog I read regularly, thought it might be a morsel of info on how the economy is doing that you’d be interested in: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/how-much-did-your-economy-suffer-in-the-first-quarter.html#comment-2438426

            • I appreciate it.

            • lmnop

              Here’s another comment from someone in Southern Maine:

        • Super Power Wogsie

          Stephen king is the ish. I haven’t read anything from him in a looooong time, but I love reading interviews with him talking about life in general.

      • Super Power Wogsie

        I would gasp if he lived in Providence, Maine.

        • What is this reference about?

          • Super Power Wogsie

            Just looking for a synchronic event – woo stuff. I started writing a story a few years ago and the location was set in Providence, Maine. I always told myself I would visit there to do research and finish the story or at least draw inspiration for the setting – that’s all. I’m not a writer but I can’t stop the characters and story lines from popping up in my head, so I just write them down to get them out. It’s therapeutic for me. Anyways, I’m awake due to a stomachache but I’m gonna try to get some sleep now. Night everyone.

            • Sleep well and feel better.

            • Sydjazz

              Peppermint or chamomile tea for tummy aches πŸ™‚

            • vicariousthrill

              Also fresh Ginger tea.

    • Mary Smith

      I have a place there

      • Oh cool. How do you like it there?

        • Mary Smith

          It is really nice in Portland–really great atmosphere and food. The people are very friendly.

          • Thank you. Portland is actually what I was thinking of. I prefer bigger cities.

            Do you by chance know what’s the rent cost around downtown in average?
            Like a decent 2-bedroom apartment in a safe part of town?

            Also, are there pretty good employment opportunities?

            Thanks again, for taking your time to answer my questions, Mary!

            • Mary Smith

              No sorry I don’t know as I live in the suburbs. Most of Portland is very safe –look on the west end.

            • I see. Thank you.

  • Little blues..

    “Bad Company – Don’t Let Me Down”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpgWfLEAIUE

    • Are_sics

      How bout a little more blues…. ?
      https://youtu.be/Qqw59HyrV3M

    • Pierrot

      Morning Dodo., I am late, I got carried away testing some RedX scripts! πŸ™‚

      • Morning Pierrot. At least you are late for all the right reasons. πŸ™‚
        When I am late, I just slack. Or sleep.

  • Pierrot

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  • Tony’s book is out in 11 days. I expect Dave’s minions saying – we don’t do it anymore.

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re exactly right. The tack they’ll take is the “old news” refrain, even though OSA has replaced its predecessor, and still operates today.

      • Well, they better not fucking do it anymore.

        • Sid

          Don’t be surprised by anything they do.

        • Missionary Kid

          You know that they’ll try. They’ve got a flat learning curve. The problem that they have now is that they’ll have to hire outside help because there are so few $cientologists left.

          Yes, they can afford all sorts of outside help, but it will mean that there’s going to be some yahoos like the P.I.s caught spying on daddy Miscavige.

          While $cientology is always worse than you think, so is their performance, which leads to footbullets and defections. KMW Keep Miscavige Working.

          If you put him in a padded cell with a bowling ball, he’d either break it or lose it. (A phrase I heard nearly 50 years ago about a real fuck-up).

          • Jack99

            I’d be disappointed if they treat the book with complete silence. At least there should be a PI at the airport or something that could be filmed and go viral on youtube.

            • Missionary Kid

              Tony has been pretty quiet about he harassment that he’s experienced. On the other hand, I would love to have $cientology try to sue, (which they won’t, because truth is the perfect defense in a libel suit). They may try to set up a website, but I’ll bet that Tony or someone else has bought the domain name.

            • Oh they know better. Also, Hei Mao.

            • richelieu jr

              “Hei Mao”?

              Is that what Ed MacMahon said on the Communist Talk Show?

            • It was Tony’s fave cat’s name who got poisoned in 2013.

            • richelieu jr

              I had no idea! I knew they’d been hassling him, but they’re up to their old Hubbard-era tricks again.

              Sickening. I mean, has this tactic ever worked? Ever not rebounded on them?

              Sick bastards.

            • Two cats actually were poisoned, but one survived. The vet said it was not an accident.

            • richelieu jr

              I have absolutely no doubt of that, Dodo.

              I’ve had some little problems, but for the moment I am chalking it up to paranoia as the cult has bigger fish o fry than little ol’ me πŸ˜‰
              Thanks for the info. Tony never talks about it, so how do you guys hear this stuff?

            • Tony did mention it, but on ESMB, a few days ago: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?39322-Tony-O-and-AGP-going-at-it-on-OCMB/page2&p=1031923#post1031923

              “In January 2013, two of my cats were poisoned. One survived it, one did
              not. My favorite cat died in my arms in what was the single worst night
              of my life.

              My vet did tests on the surviving cat, and told me there was no question they had been deliberately targeted.

              Of course, I can’t prove who did it or why, which is why I have never
              written about it. But even though I live with three cats, I refuse to
              change the description at the website, because as far as I am concerned,
              Hei Mao will always be in the Bunker with me. She was the one who
              always sat, curled up against me while I wrote.

              So yeah, four cats.

              Thanks,

              Tony Ortega

            • richelieu jr

              That is absolutely disgusting and makes my blood boilβ€” Good on Tony for not giving them the satisfaction go changing a whit of what he does, but the is just so low (and uselessβ€”as I said, has it ever worked?)
              Tangentiallyβ€” I am a member of the exscn site, but still didn’t have the right to see the post.. Any ideas why?

            • I know how you feel. About the access: log in, scroll down to Members Only Area, click on Grudge Matches, you will easily find it there on the first page.

            • MaxSpaceman

              There are no words. Part of your heart’s been ripped out of you I know. Never get over it; just have to not think of it; you’ll always love her (as I will my Isadora Dunkin.)

            • Jack99

              Will they make videos? A nasty video about Paulette Cooper, hey, that’s not going to backfire at all! The scariest thing would be if they did or said nothing and showed they’d actually learned a lesson.

            • That scenario is too sane, indeed.

            • Robert Eckert

              They’ve had a website for Tony for a long time. Don’t bother looking for it, it’s as slimy as you’d expect.

            • Missionary Kid

              I know about the one for Tony. I was referring to one about The Unbreakable Miss Lovely. I should have been clearer.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            I don’t think Scientology has a flat learning curve. It has a spiky one. Some how a new idea gets through the FOG! Of course, don’t worry someone will realize LRH didn’t write it and fix that

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s an interesting point. If anything, I’d say that instead of a spiky learning curve, it’s more like one with little speed bumps.

    • Mymy88

      Right, they do even worse things now.

  • valshifter

    Baby Buddha looks like he is about to let loose a big load. The lifted eyebrows, the dirty look in his eyes and the smirk is telling me is about to stink in here, you better open the windows.

  • Simi Valley

    Celebs and run-of-the-mill clams know about SO deprivation; they just look the other way. It’s part of the cognitive dissonance thing; they dare not question anything or express grievances out of fear of that damn SP declare and “losing their eternity.” Just like they know about the evil OSA shit to some extent but mentally sweep it under the rug.

    • X-Man

      Is that from your own experience or just opinion? SOers are not allowed to say much about their living and working conditions and definitely not anything negative or they get sec checked or lower conditions. Public never see where SOers sleep or eat. You get the idea their life must suck but I never heard ANY of the outrageous stuff until I got out. Information control is key to Keeping Scamology Working and the people in charge take that very seriously. Public are also punished/sec checked if they find out you’ve been snooping around on the internet so they cover all of the angles.

      • Simi Valley

        Experience. The rice and beans bit is pretty well known and sometimes SO members talk about that stuff, or someone can overhear a conversation, etc.

    • consigli3r3

      SO staff is looked up in defference by non-SO and it is so built up the they dare not allow the slightest micron of suspision because explaining that to the ethics officer is going to be a hazle and you will have to do a O/W write up. Most people just barry their heads in the sand, it is cheaper and you get to dash out to the nearest pub after course.

  • John Andra

    Yes, it is too bad that the Sea Org people had to get up so early for the Nancy Cartwright thing so they could make 8:00 am muster. I think the celebrities just figure that if the underpaid Sea Org members don’t like working long hours for peanuts, they can up and leave. So I do not feel like I am in a position to criticize Nancy Cartwright for this.

  • Clear#4213

    It was a long time ago that I was in the SO at ASHO (1970), before it moved to the old hospital (the big blue building). It used to be across the street from the Rampart cop shop. My workday was the day and foundation shift, 7 am to 11 pm or later. The pay was $7 per week.

    One day, a family came to my desk in registration to route onto some staff course. The father told me that they had given everything they had to the church and they all joined the SO. He was pretty freaked out because, although they had been promised family housing, this “housing” consisted of being assigned the crawl space underneath the staff house on Carondelet Street. So this family of four had to crawl under the house and bed down in the dirt.

    At that time, there were no Ideal Orgs. The organizations were pretty seedy, for the most part. I had such a long schedule that there was no time to even do laundry. I would take a bath in my underwear so that my bra and other unmentionables would get cleaned at the same time I bathed the old bod.

    One fellow staff member wrote a “success story” stating that he was so grateful for the chance to work himself into exhaustion!