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Another leak of outtakes from 1997’s ‘Secret Lives’ — Scientology’s finance ‘dictator’

Mike_GoldsteinWe have another leak of a lengthy interview that’s never been made available in full before. It’s a talk with Mike Goldstein, who had been a member of Scientology’s Sea Organization in the 1970s and had been L. Ron Hubbard’s financial controller.

Portions of the interview appeared in Channel 4 UK’s excellent 1997 documentary, Secret Lives — L. Ron Hubbard. Over the last couple of months we’ve been posting outtakes and uncut interviews from the documentary that are appearing for the first time. Goldstein, for example, is someone who isn’t talked about a lot today, but he was at one time a key official in the Scientology superstructure.

He joined the Sea Org in 1971 and joined Hubbard at sea as Scientology was run from a small armada that plied the Mediterranean and Atlantic. By 1973, Goldstein had become the Finances “dictator” as Hubbard gave him a lot of responsibility over the movement’s financial lines.

Previous segments that we’ve released from the Secret Lives files have featured Hubbard’s literary agent, Forrest Ackerman, his press assistant and lover, Barbara Klowden, one of Hubbard’s fellow science fiction colleagues, Arthur Jean Cox, the former mayor of Clearwater, Florida, Gabe Cazares, Hubbard’s former medical officer, Jim Dincalci, archivist Gerry Armstrong, former Los Angeles Times reporter and postwar Hubbard roommate, Nieson Himmel, Washington State Representative Robert MacDonald Ford, who knew Hubbard and his first wife well, and Robert Vaughn Young, who had been Scientology’s spokesman.

Goldstein moved to Denver to promote Scientology there in 1974, went to Clearwater, Florida in 1978 to work in the headquarters there for a while before returning to Colorado, where he was “declared” a suppressive person in the early 1980s. He was briefly “undeclared” a few years later, but then left the church and began promoting an alternative version of Scientology that was called Idenics.

Let us know which of his observations about L. Ron Hubbard you find most interesting.

 

 
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DOX: Emergency calls to Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center

Here’s another fun find from a friend to the Underground Bunker who has been digging up gems with the help of the Muckrock website. It’s a collection of emergency calls that brought Pittsburg County sheriff’s deputies to Narconon Arrowhead, Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center in Oklahoma, over a period of several years. Most of them were made between 2010 and 2015, but some are older, and they cover the period when three patients died at the facility from late 2011 to the middle of 2012.

We’ve pulled out a few examples here, and you can see the full Muckrock embedded file below.

8/1/12 Reporting Party advised that he was working there and was scared after the death of a patient there. He left Narconon and went to a friend’s house. He would like a deputy to go with him to pick up his clothes and personal things.

8/10/12 Employee terminated after they tested positive for meth and alcohol. They will be leaving Narconon property in 10 to 15 minutes in a maroon Chrysler Pacifica. Will be two white females and one white male.

10/27/12 Received drugs through the mail.

12/14/12 Reporting Party advised her 24-year-old son [redacted] is there and wants to leave. She lives in Louisiana on the Gulf Coast…Advised RP we could not provide transportation to Tulsa.

1/9/13 Reporting Party says she dropped her son off at Narconon on Thursday and she just found out about the deaths that has happened there. She said he called her tonight complaining he wasn’t feeling good. She told him to stop taking the meds they are giving him and she would come get him. She wants us to go get him and put him in jail until she gets here. She wants him in protective custody. I advised her we couldn’t put him in jail because he hasn’t committed a crime. If he was sick I could call her an ambulance for him. She doesn’t wan that.

7/27/13 Reporting Party took son to Narconon and then she read up about the things that happened there and she wants to get him on a plane out of there.

9/24/14 Reporting Party advised he’s trying to leave Narconon and they won’t give him his personal belongings. RP advised he has walked to the state park and is using their phone. He’s going to stand by there until a deputy shows up…Narconon stated if he returns they will give him his belongings.

1/27/15 Narconon cabins…Burglary…stolen gun…handled by deputy.

3/9/15 Assault and battery…Reporting Party advised that they have an individual names [redacted] that was assaulted at Narconon and he wants to press charges…Security guard from Narconon brought in individual, spoke with him, and they advised that they would handle it within themselves.

 

 
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TONIGHT: Marty Rathbun gets the ID treatment

Two years ago, we live-blogged the ID Network’s treatment of the Nancy Many story. The episode was drawn from Nancy’s book, My Billion-Year Contract, and it consisted of Nancy narrating her own story while recreated scenes played on screen. We thought it was a good show.

Tonight, the ID Network is back, this time giving former Scientology executive Mark “Marty” Rathbun the treatment. We gather that it will draw from his book Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior. We expect that it will be an interesting exploration of Rathbun’s background and dramatic escape from the Sea Org.

Rathbun has already gotten a lot of exposure, most recently from Alex Gibney’s HBO documentary Going Clear and the press avalanche that came with it, but also in an excellent Channel 4 UK film, Scientologists at War.

It will be interesting to see how those treatments differ from tonight’s show, which should be told more from Marty’s own view of his involvement in Scientology.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

From our tipster: “Creepy photo from Source magazine of the PC folder vault at Flag. It says that it has folders on every PC who ever received auditing at Flag since the days of The Apollo in the ‘60s and it’s all barcoded now. In other words, this is where they keep all the shit on everyone and can pull it out at the drop of a hat.”

 
FlagFolders

 
Caption from actress Marisol Nichols: “Yesterday. So proud to host and celebrate Youth for Human Rights Day event in the Rayburn building. #DC”

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 15, 2015 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94@gmail.com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • Super Power Wogsy

    this was fun. lets do it again

  • Tom Yozwiak

    oh well – “meh” kinda sums it up

    • Snake Plissken

      It wasn’t bad, I would have liked to hear more about the contents of the files they burned in Canada

      • Tom Yozwiak

        And about Marty’s inside knowledge of the IRS deal

        • Snake Plissken

          Exactly, those are the kind of details I want to hear about.

          • Juicer77

            Yes to all, but we would have needed at least a couple more hours.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              and more ppl are finding out about Scientology–every show counts 🙂

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      well i think its good cuz more ppl are finding out about Scientology–and hopefully alot of them will do more research online 🙂

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Goodnight folks. Enjoyed watching this with you, mostly.

    I have to say, the snark got fucking old really fast. I get the point, Tony, but the silly snarky tone is just something I personally find irritating as hell. A little confession: that’s why I could never work with teens, when that was option in my training, snark is pretty much all they’ve got sometimes, and after about 30 seconds of that kind of thing, I want to choke them. Just kidding. No I’m not. But seriously, If I want that shit, I can hang out with my 14 year-old for a minute.

    Anyway that’s just me, and my own preference, and this ain’t my house, so I am out. See you all on the next post.

    • Juicer77

      I’m glad this is a place where you can be honest and not be banned. Thanks for sharing.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      I agree CV. I certainly did not appreciate the snark thrown at me but whatever. Life moves on.

    • outraged

      hahahah. Oh gosh, you must have the same daughter. She is snarky beyond all belief. 15 about to turn 16. It withers me. Luckily my husband is a middle school teacher with no fear.

      I was a camp counselor for teens when I was barely in my 20’s. I was awful. Those girls just completely stunned me and I could not even respond. They called me “evil eyes”. All I did was stare bloody murder at them. lol

    • sugarplumfairy

      Snark never hurt anybody.. Well, not too bad.. And snark with a purpose is frking AWESOME.. I’m sorry, but i loved it.. The snarkier the better in this case..

    • when the teens throw you snark may I suggest something like this…. pic

      • Super Power Wogsy

        hahahaha! awesome possom.

    • Tony Ortega

      Let me be clear I was feeling snarky about the ID network. Not Marty. Not Claire. And not anyone here. (Well, except for maybe Eckert, who was being very annoying.)

      I didn’t think I’d like this show and I didn’t. Yes, if you know nothing about Scientology, it could be really interesting to see a dramatization of the Sea Org environment, particularly the blow drill.

      But if you know Marty’s amazing overall story, this was irritating. So sue me.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Now I Really want to hear this.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          I read some of Marty’s O/W writeups when I did an ethics handling. The stories are not pretty.

      • Snake Plissken

        Can I get your attorney’s contact information?

        • Vaquera

          Now that was funny. Comic relief.

      • outraged

        As someone who was never-in but knows the score, this TV episode was great. It drew me in from the beginning. I never knew Marty’s mom jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. I never read any of the books, to be honest. I like the blogs, etc.

        This shows who Marty is and why he joined and why he bolted. It is excellent and if it keeps one naive young man or woman who is lost and hurting from joining this cult than it was worth every penny.

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        Thank you for clarifying that you weren’t snarking on Marty or Claire… 🙂

      • scottmercer

        The different approaches to the same subject are quite obvious. Gibney and Wright evidencing passion, compassion and class. A refined presentation. ID channel delivering raw meat so that the rubes will stay tuned through the next commercial. (They had decent production values, but the attitude behind the whole thing was exploitation all the way.) Just my opinion.

        • scottmercer

          Going Clear = The New Yorker. ID Channel = The New York Post.

  • Charlieisaferalgod

    Kissing Suzy Kolber is a sports blog (which can get quite crude). They have parody of the San Diego Chargers potentially relocating to Los Angeles and the news was just broken to their quarterback Phillip Rivers.

    He responds: “Rivers: And you thought I would be fine being the starting quarterback for the Los Angeles Fightin’ Scientologists? Did you? Is that what you thought? WHAT? HUH? WHAT? FUCK YOU!”

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      They have truly become a punch line.

  • Newiga

    Oh wow… The things you miss when you fall asleep! Whether the show was OK or just plain sucked, I hope I get a chance to see it.

  • MaxSpaceman

    That was cool ! After all, everything will turn out all right. ‘Night folks. 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-0nWVdBH4

    • Baby

      Awwwwwwwwwwwww Maxie.. Was that for me.. hahaha .. Love it.. Love the guys folding their arms..haha

      Just dawned on me..duh..It’s the beach boys..Nice pants guys..hahaha

  • nommables

    I thought it was way too short, but I’m also really glad to see that the cult is getting to be a household name (in a bad way!)! So anything that brings light to this darkness gets at least one thumb’s up from me!

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Re: Emergency Calls from Scientology’s “Flagship Drug Rehab Center to the Pittsburgh County Sherrif Office

    It’s difficult to comprehend just how much more planet Earth is expected to take before someone steps in and gives Scientology and Narconon a firm “That’s it!” I’m reading an Incident Report from 2005 in which a resident on the Narconon program had his head bashed in (apparently with a rock), an injury so severe it required a Medi flight from McAlester (where he initially went for treatment) to Tulsa.

    Other call types included:

    911, 6/26/11
    Ambulance call, 3/5/12, 4/11/12, 7/8/10
    Asault and battery, 3/9/15, 4/7/14
    Attempt to locate, 4/11/10, 5/14/14, 5/28/10
    Burglary has occurred, 1/27/15, 6/25/12, 7/14/10
    Deceased person, 4/11/12, 7/19/12
    Disturbance, 3/28/10, 7/19/12, 9/24/14
    Drug complaint, 7/19/14, 8/1/12, 8/22/11, 10/1/13, 10/8/13
    EOD Transport* 6/29/11
    Extra patrol, 4/7/10
    Fraud, 4/14/09, 7/10/12
    Fight call (not domestic), 8/19/08
    Protective Order, 2/8/12
    Repo, 3/27/11
    Speak with a Deputy, 1/9/13, 1/10/13, 4/14/11, 5/14/11, 6/26/10,
    Stand-by, 8/1/12
    Threats, 6/13/12
    Warrant, 5/16/14
    Welfare check, 2/26/09, 6/1/12, 7/28/12, 8/9/09, 8/14/12

    This is what I saw in the first 51 pages of a 164 page document.

    When a deputy shows up at Narconon, I’m sure he’s told, “Oh, officer! It’s nothing, really. You know how excitable a new Scientologist can get when he gets on the Bridge! They’re always so happy to know that they will be Going Clear. It’s cool, we can handle it from here.”

    This doesn’t sound like a place I’d want a loved one recovering from an addiction to visit!

    * A young woman tried to hang herself that day and tried laying in the road the day before.

  • Marc Headley

    Ok Guys – I am out. G’night.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Gnite Marc!!!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      me too, I am exhausted.

  • Sibs

    Just finished my wine cooler so I’m going to bed. G’night, Bunker fam! Don’t worry, we’re still all friends here.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      gnite Sibs! : )

    • Vaquera

      You nursed a single wine cooler that whole time?

      • Super Power Wogsy

        i’m about to have a tequila sunrise.

      • Sibs

        Well, I can’t afford to drink more than one in one sitting! (Also I’m not supposed to have alcohol because alcohol plus my medication makes me feel more drunk than I actually am.)

        • Vaquera

          I’m impressed with your moderation. (hangs head in shame)

          • The Dude

            Me too. One beer and i am off on a tear. Thank gosh, I can stop myself from going too far after 20 yrs of indulgence.

  • outraged

    ****Link for Marty’s bit on ID network. thank you Snake ********

    Dangerous Persuasions A Scientologist’s Escape
    http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/watch/Dangerous-Persuasions/5566794780265581112/427075651711/A-Scientologist-s-Escape/videos

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      thank you snake and outraged !

    • First Last

      only for inside the US viewing 🙁

      • The Dude

        Bummer.

      • Peggy oh!

        And comcast 🙁

  • aquaclara

    I had to watch the next show on the ID network. Gripping and horrific.

    • outraged

      what was it?

  • Super Power Wogsy

    …zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

    • Super Power Wogsy

      I’m wide awake

      Yeah, I was in the dark

      I was falling hard

      With an open heart

      I’m wide awake

      How did I read the stars so wrong?

      (not my lyrics)

  • The Dude

    Who the hell is still up out there?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      yours truly!! the one. the only. WOGSY!!!! Woot! Woot! Woot!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        jk

        • The Dude

          Sup Wogsy? We all alone in here?

          • Super Power Wogsy

            i don’t think so. it is very quiet. (whispers) i think peeps went to sleep after all the exciting commentary provided by the bunker. ssshhh.

            • The Dude

              Someone turn on the gawdam lights! I just stubbed my toe on a bar stool!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              it’s never been this quiet before. weird. i mean. what the world.

  • Tree

    You go out to have dinner and one cocktail and start to sew a pair of pants and miss everything. So anyone still up and want to watch with me in half an hour? ID is about the Jerry Springer of “news”, but I feel that I should watch it anyway.

    • The Dude

      I just came on and Nothing!
      WASSUP!

    • The Dude

      I hope it was a White Russian.
      For the ladies I recommend The Cosmopolitan.

      • Tree

        They didn’t have what I wanted (Harvey Wallbanger). I get too messed up with White Russians fun as they may be but I was driving.

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    I HAVE HAD IT WITH ALL THESE MOTHERF#%^ING SNARKS ON THIS MOTHERF%!@NG BLOG

    • The Dude

      J3? Where is everyone?

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        No clue.

        • The Dude

          You know you are the Man! Fuck those haters.
          There are a few I would like to grab by the short hairs and rip. I know you get my drift.

          • Baby

            Me?

            • The Dude

              Wait. I don’t know where this is going?

            • Baby

              I thought you were talking about the ID program..I was a little testy.. but I’m in a bad mood ..

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ..he doesnt want to fight with BABY : )..whats wrong my chiquita banana?

            • Baby

              I don’t know if I have a cold or allergies, but just runny nose 24/7 headache and congestion.. ear problems.. Nothing Earth Shattering, but has last a couple of months..and I’m getting sick of it..

              Plus insomnia ..errrrrrrrrrrgh..and just can’t get enough sleep..

            • It seems like everyone I know got it in April. Just getting over it myself.
              Feel better soon. It will pass.

            • Baby

              Thanks Dodo..It is really bad in Florida this year.. We have a huge row of Jasmine outside our window..smells fabulous, but alas..

              I think my hubby is ready to dig them all up..Plus we are surrounded by trees..

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Dodo’s right. It seems like everyone is sick. Just when I was starting to feel better, I managed to catch another cold. This one isn’t so bad, tho.

            • Observer had it twice too.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              At first I had what felt like strep throat on top of a nasty sinus infection. It was bad. Then I had bronchitis for almost 2 weeks. I was looking online for new lungs. After that, this petty cold isn’t even a bother, really.

            • Dear Lord, you really were Typhoid Jimmy!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Pretty sure it’s my niece. I’ve started to call her LV. Little Vector.

            • Well, I emailed you this but I’ll post it as well.

              Curaga!

              https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f6/fa/df/f6fadf227137a26b3f53f45dbee2e87b.jpg

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I love that so much.

            • I know.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              weird. everyone has been getting sick on this blog. i haven’t yet but i’m scared. i hope you feel better baby girl. you know i take melatonin to fall asleep. also almond butter if you don’t want to take melatonin.

            • Baby

              Almond butter..? Never heard of it for insomnia.. I know I can’t take melatonin because of my Paxil..sigh

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oh nvm then. almond has melatonin in it. or the stuff that produces melatonin.

            • Baby

              what is nvm?

            • Never mind

            • Baby

              Duh? hahaha I forgot.. OK everyone..I am soaking in the bathtub and relaxing..Love ya all..night..xoxox yawwwwwwwwwn..

              I’ll be in a better mood tomorrow..errrrrr today..xo

            • Sweet dreams, Baby!

            • The Dude

              My Son has a slight cold. But feeling great here.

            • Valerian Root capsules to make a tea helps my wife to sleep.

            • The Dude

              Dude I was just going to say that!
              Baby! Valerian Root kicks ass!
              It was the only thing that worked for my anxiety the first time I went to Brazil.
              Could not bring my favorite cure.
              But it did help me sleep and to calm my nerves.

            • It really is pretty awesome and all natural with no side effects!
              Glad it helped you too, Dude!

            • Baby

              Really .. hmmm. I will check it out..I never heard of it.. hmmm .. thanks Dodo and dude..

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oooooh. will have to try.

            • 2-4 capsules (just a powder) in a half cup of boiling water, stir it for 30 seconds, add cold water and drink. Available in every pharmacy for only a few bucks.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              nice! thx dodo.

            • You are very welcome, Wogsy!

            • beauty for ashes

              Woohoo! 10 mgs of melatonin and some magnesium/calcium. But still I have to feel like I’m exhausted before I get in bed. Nothing worse than shallow sleep for me.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i used to take cal/mag all the time : ) but melatonin does it fo rme.

            • beauty for ashes

              I felt funny mentioning it. but it really helps if you have that restless leg thing.

            • Baby

              Beauty.. I am like you.. I can’t sleep when I’m tired.. Only sleepy.. Like curling up in a ball on a pool table sleepy..

              and the only way I can feel sleepy is to stay up until it hits me..and then I’m down for the count..but can’t stay asleep..errrrrrrrrrgh

            • The Dude

              My Wife too. I love to sleep. She will stay awake forever and then crash. Alarm goes off. I like to be gone by that time. It could get ugly

            • Baby

              That is exactly how I am Dude.. It takes me an hr. ( and 2 diet cokes) to get in a civil mood.. I am so groggy..

            • What’s with the mood, Baby?

            • Baby

              Yucky cold/allergies.. Just have lasted too long.. I’ll live.. but just grumpy. xo

            • Hugs

            • Baby

              Aww thanks Dodo.. I needed that.. OOPS just got snot on your shoulder..sorry

            • ROFL 😉

            • The Dude

              I just walked in. Already half-in-the-wrapper and you crawl right up my ass. Wassup?

            • Baby

              hahahhahaha.. Dude.. you are funny.. I wouldn’t be crawling behind you..I would be crawlin over the front of you silly..

            • The Dude

              Down Girl! I already got a Snugnifigent Other. LOL!

            • Baby

              Hahahahah .. I know.. I was just teasin ya.. Mine is snorin away with the doggies..

            • Awww, cute.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Wow. Did you just say “Snugnifigent Other”? I hate to do this, Dude. You know I like you. But you need to give me your Man Card. It has to be confiscated.

            • Hey! Every Dude has a right to be in touch with their feminine side.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Give me your card, too.

            • ROFL! I left it in my other purse. Sorry.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That was funny. You can keep it.

            • Kay

              Jimmy, wasn’t it you that was getting trolled endlessly last night over grammar, syntax, or some such asinine thing? That was annoying to me.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes, but it wasn’t just last night. That person has done that repeatedly for quite a while, and not just to me. I feel kinda bad because I was mean, I’m usually not a mean person. But as I said, he or she does that a lot.

            • Kay

              I have never though you were a mean person….I thought this other person just pushed too hard, and was being ridiculous. Sometimes enough is enough, truly.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Don’t be fooled. Jimmy stuffed me in a locker once.

            • Kay

              That made me laugh !

            • Super Power Wogsy

              just think of me as the annoying little Bunker sister. I aim to displease : ) hur hur. Nice to meet you Kay. I’m Wogsy!

            • Kay

              Nice to meet you as well !! I like a good laugh, and lots of the posters in the bunker really are witty. Yes, methinks I shall enjoy having an annoying little Bunker sister. No joke is too out there for me.

            • (mumbling) Too bad he didn’t lock it

            • Super Power Wogsy

              hey! hey! hey!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              meh meh meh

            • Kay

              Hi Nat-leficent: You made me laugh again, as usual. Thx.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, thank, u 4 that sentamint,

            • Kay

              My pleasure.

            • F5

            • Baby

              You guys are cracking me up.. hahahhahaha I’m glad I came back on tonight.. you guys made me laugh instead of blow my nose.. xo night Jimmy

            • Kay

              They are making me laugh also…I needed that as I just shoveled massive amounts of snow in subzero temperature, waiting for my resultant heart attack to occur now.

            • That’s because you already blew your nose on my shoulder when I gave you a free hug, but it’s okay, I still love you, Baby.

            • The Dude

              Send her a bill for the dry cleaning

            • beauty for ashes

              Ahh, what are sleeves for anyway?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i’m sorry. are you the one that cried during the death of mufasa in Lion King? I can’t remember if that was you or not.

            • He totally did.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No! I never once cried when Mufasa died… I cry every single time Mufasa dies. 🙁
              You can take my card. 🙁

            • Kay

              LOL !!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              *confiscating* That is what I thought. Carry on. : )

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve long believed that if you don’t cry when Simba is trying to wake up Mufasa, then you are probably a sociopath.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              well i cried for sure, and i also cried in the opening when Simba is born, but I also wanted you to admit it, so i can take your man card. i also cried during “Meet Joe Black” when he has to go back to being death, and he is watching the fireworks and crying. He was feeling sadness and awe at the same. It was so damn BEAUTIFUL but then so is Brad Pitt. But I’m a girl soooo I can do that. : ) No shame.

            • Kay

              Yes Brad Pitt was beautiful in that scene, I like that movie, although it makes me wistful every time I see it. I went to the sundance film festival years and years ago before it became a huge thing and saw the first film Brad Pitt ever made, called Johnny Suede Shoes. I didn’t care for the film, but I got to see Brad Pitt in person, although at the time he was a nobody. (hard to believe) I was more excited that Danny Glover was sitting next to me.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Danny is cool. That scene was so beautiful. I play the soundtrack song from that movie. It is called “whispers of a thrill” So good.

            • Kay

              I should get that, I really liked the music from that film. These days, soundtrack music is generally crappy….all cover copies interspersed with crappy synthesizer tracks. It annoys me immensely. I miss original soundtracks and good title tracks for movies. Those days are mostly gone. sigh.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i also recommend Lindsey Stirling (violinist), and the Last Airbender soundtrack by James Newton Howard. I also like Hans Zimmer who did “Time” from the movie Inception, James Horner did “Casper’s Lullaby”.

            • Kay

              I love James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer. I’m not familiar with Lindsay Stirling (unless I have forgotten who she is…I may know the music, but not her name as I listen to a lot of music ) I will check out “Casper’s Lullaby.” I think the best title track in the past few years was Adele’s song for the last James Bond movie. It actually sounded like a Bond film song, not like just some famous singer doing their own thing. She did a great job, AND it had real strings in the arrangement. (I truly loathe synthesizer strings…they sound like angry bumble bees)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              OH MY GOD. you have to checkout Lindsey Stirling. Check out “Song of the Caged Bird”. She recently did the “Les Miserable” medley. She is best known for her youtube video “crystallize”. here is the youtube for les merserables.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TsA6CHpII

            • Kay

              She is great !! I have seen her on You Tube before, but didn’t remember her name. Good for her, it is really hard to parlay violin (non-classical) into a whole career, particularly for a girl. I admire her.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I just recently saw her in concert. OMG. she was AMAZING! anyways hope you make yourself at home at the Bunker. : )

            • Kay

              I would totally go see her perform !! I have really eclectic music tastes so I go to a wide variety of concerts. I have been lurking the Bunker for years, but finally decided to jump in. So far, I have really enjoyed it. Once in awhile a troll annoys me but usually multiple people stomp on them. I have enjoyed your comments even before I finally signed in. You are really funny. Well, I guess I shall go to bed, I didn’t sleep well last night, hence I was in the bunker with the other insomniacs. 🙂 Thank you for being so welcoming…

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I was on a natural high after her concert for like 2 days. Gnite : )

            • And apparently peanut butter is really, really good.

            • The Dude

              It is?

            • Joe Black loved it.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i knew you did.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ahem. i prefer almond butter.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              woops. i just got this comment. yes he did love Peanut Butter : )

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Tsssssk! When lightening strikes. Tsssk!

            • The Dude

              Thank you. Now i don’t have to take him out back and give him “The Southie Jack”.
              You are a Giant’s fan?
              That would be “The Oaktown Jack”. Te ya’ll!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Yep. My birth certs says SF CA. Born and raised. No choice. I got grilled after being in southern california for becoming a lakers fan. i got called traitor. i got the HOW DARE YOU. But if you watched Koby Bryant play live, I guarantee you, you would become a lakers fan too!

            • The Dude

              You just like him cuz your a girl. Girls think he’s hot. He is a good player but he was not all that.
              But I am a die hard Boston fan.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Excuse me?????? Kobe Bryant was a damn good basketball player. He took and made all the shots that no one else could. He is an unequivocal BAD ASS. He is not even cute to me.

            • The Dude

              OK. OK. No sports. I will give it to you. You seem like a true fan. I will bother you no more about it.

              Go Celtics!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              HELL TO THE FUCKING NO!!!! You take that Back MISTER!

            • The Dude

              I was just “bullbaiting” you. Sorry. Drunk, and having a go at you. I don’t know jack shit about sports.
              Just Music.
              Sorry. Heee heeeee!

            • For a second, I thought I wrote that.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              you get a tip-of-the-hat for being drunk. cheers!

            • The Dude

              Tee-hee-hee! Did last minute taxes. Getting back mucho cheddar. Having a couple or more Lagers. Oat sodas, if you will.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Kobe is the second greatest 2 guard behind Michael Jordan. Of all time. This isn’t even debatable.

            • The Dude

              I was just bullbaiting her. Sorry. I had to do it.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Yes. That is what RuPaul said. No joke. He/She was on this show talking about balance of feminine and masculine energy, and how men need to embrace their yin energy. I totally agreed with him, and I thought to myself, “I never thought I would be listening to spiritual advice from Rupaul”. hmmm.

            • beauty for ashes

              Seriously that is one balanced individual. Pretty amazing. 🙂 I’d take advice from either incarnation.

            • Super Power Wogsy
            • beauty for ashes

              Yeah girl! Great interview! I’ve heard a few interviews with Charles, and it’s always enlightening.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              doesn’t he look like he is in his “chi”. Seriously. He seems chillaxed.

            • beauty for ashes

              I have worked with a few transitioning men while working in makeup. Honestly it’s like trial by fire for them. One client was a manager at Home Depot, can you imagine? And he was Handsome. You have to know who you are and be willing to live it out loud. No matter what anyone else says. I’m not saying that RuPaul is transgender. Somewhere in the spectrum. It’s not even important. It just takes so much courage to be who you are, when everyone tells you its weird. Its a spiritual journey .
              So maybe he’s just happy in his own skin!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Yes. I agree with you. Like I don’t even think it should matter. It was hard for me when I was with my ex (6th time mentioning him). He is so masculine (army guy). He really wanted me to super girly girly but I’m not. I liked going shooting and going to the archery range. That is the warrior girl in me, and since my true colors came out late in the relationship, it caused problems. I think a lot of friendships and relationships are like that. Anyways, I’d rather be single the rest of my days than to be stuck in a relationship with a man who doesn’t appreciate the Artemis in me or the lover or the princess or the writer in me as well. All these crazy Archetypes!!! This interview with Charles really resonated with me though. It certainly is a hero’s journey for everyone right? : ) I loved it.

            • beauty for ashes

              Diana is very feminine and an archer! f5

            • Super Power Wogsy

              very pretty. saving : )

            • beauty for ashes

              Its in the Philadelphia museum of art. It’s so amazing when you go up those stairs, and look up at this massive graceful powerful sculpture. there was so many good ones to chose from on google images. Check it out if you get a chance. 🙂

            • The Dude

              Shut ta fuk up! Ya Shamrock-wearing ninny, you! Gunna question MY manhood? I’ll bet a ‘tousend your not even Irish!
              I’ll pull your shirt over you head and give Ya ‘ta “Southie Jack”.
              Ya vagabond you!

            • Baby

              Please inform your wife if she sees my smart ass comment that I am almost 70..night

            • The Dude

              Night Baby. Sweet dreams.

            • Vaquera

              G’night, Baby girl.

            • Baby

              night honey.. xoxo

      • No clue.

        • The Dude

          Hi Dodo. How have you been?

          • Hi, Dude. Pretty good. You?

            • The Dude

              Spring has sprung. Birds coming back. Snow gone.
              Tsarnaev guilty.

              Hernandez guilty.
              Sox off to a good start.
              Can’t ask for much more.
              ‘Cept maybe IRS giving DM a knock on HIS door.

            • Baby

              I thought for sure that they would find Hernandez NOT guilty.. Thank God.. What a Punk..Thug ASSHOLE.. He had the world by the ass..and Jesus..

            • The Dude

              I saw huge holes in the state’s case but the people prevailed.

            • Baby

              so many athletes skate by.. Thank God .. Yep big holes and the jury took a hell of a long time coming back..

            • Super Power Wogsy

              he is a THUG indeed. what a dumb mo’fo.

            • Baby

              $40 Million contract.. and you know he is guilty of the Drive by shooting.. but they couldn’t bring it up in trial for speculation.. Just Asshole thug..who lived a Thug life.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              now he is in prison. like wtf???????? ferreal. you serious? you dumb a$$. uuugh. unbeweavable.

            • The Dude

              Whole world at his feet.
              He wanted to be a Thug.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              GO GIANTS! I predict another World Series this year. You mad bro???

            • The Dude

              Fuck no! Just Yankees, that The Dude hates on. I am a closet Mets fan. Shsss!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              My ex was a Yankee fan. When the Giants won the world series in 2012? He didn’t talk to me for a day. So hate on the yankees all you want. hur hur.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              this is like the 5th time i bring up my ex on this blog. my bad. just a last reference point.

            • The Dude

              Zokay

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              The Giants beat the Detroit Tigers in 2012. The Tigers beat the Yankees in the ALCS. Why was he pissed the Giants had won?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Because he is a spoiled yankees fan. if i can recall correctly, i didn’t even get to watch all the world series games cuz he was being a douche.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              he also hates liberals from SF. He says that we don’t go jogging. we go “yogging”

            • Todd Tomorrow

              “He hates liberals from San Francisco”, is a perfect reason to make him your ex!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              He flew me out to SF as a surprise birthday gift. Yeah bad trip. didn’t go well. oh well. he hated Scientology and SF. I was effed from the beginning. No chance that relationship was going to last lolol.

            • And Obama gave your city $80 mil to recover from snow.

            • The Dude

              Really?

            • The Dude

              WOW

        • Vaquera

          Good evening Dodo.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I went out to dinner!

        • Tree

          Me too missed everything, but watching on ID now. Can I mix you a drink?

          • The Dude

            Allow me……….

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Yes, a drink would be nice, I’ll be right over, Tree!

            • Tree

              Very humble bar, what would you like?

      • Kay

        Dude: They’ve all been raptured…….

    • Super Power Wogsy

      it was unexpected ok. damn. i was having fun. and then it was like “ooooh yeah. never seen that before”. like ewww.

    • Ella Raitch

      Great movie line

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Stayed up to watch it. I empathize about not having much to turn to in the 70’s for mental health issues and problems in the family. I think for new audiences it gives a general flavor of the insanity of the sea org. For the rest, I am not even going to speak to it, it so whitewashed. I’m taking a couple of Jimmy’s Tums and hope that will do the job.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Stay away from my Tums. How do you know about my Tums?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Snacks. Remember snacks? Night all.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          No.

    • Tony Ortega

      THDNE, see, there’s a reason I adore you so much.

      • beauty for ashes

        I just have to say it for everybody…… Awwwwwww! 🙂

  • StudentOfLife

    We are lurking. Just watched the Rathbun story. I’m sure others are also. It’s 10 pm here in Ojai, California. I think this is another good nail in the coffin to warn others to stay away from the cult. I did pay $50 for the Communications course years ago and two other ones but when I got audited, having been practiced amateurish magic (nothing very good) and hypnotized by two famous celebs, including The Amazing Kreskin, I had studied how I could be so suggestible. Plus from Peck, I understood the value of the therapeutic process being cathartic, as Marty described aptly in the ID show. When I got audited the one time, I could tell the auditor was using some kind of ritual. When I mentioned I was studying reincarnation (finding Seth Speaks not convincing at the time but didn’t tell auditor that), suddenly I was taken back in time to Russia where I chose to pose as Raskolnikov, the great villain from Crime and Punishment. The needle didn’t even catch it. So I lied again and again. Watching them take notes on my “secrets” made me recall 1984 as well as the Inquisition.

    One thing I am proud of behind my two wonderful children I helped raise…..I once was offered by OT5, my business partner, to take over everything he built and be willed everything including his royalties, and at the time, they were substantial, over six figures a year. The price: I had to become a Scientologist. I did mull it over but having been to Clearwater too many times and actually being there the day the Tampa Times started the series on exposing the cult, that sealed my decision, thank goodness. I remember laughting reading that Amy Scobee I think it was, when she left, the cult released to the press she had lied something like 37 times in her life plus fornicated with her fiance or some silly crap. I’ve had lunch hours where I lied at least 37 times, lol. That was the only thing that made Scientology seem attractive, the few “sins” the cult cited to the press…I thought these guys must be cleaner than the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses. My other business partners always wondered why I didn’t take up the offer. Now they all congratulate me for not selling out. He (OT5) has since signed everything over to the cult, and I lost only a lot of only money, but I hold my head high….at least I never sold out. Four Foot Thirteen MissSavige, cant wait to mail every one of your fellow inmates tubes of lipstick. All of them will treat Miscavige like the sick pervert he is. Tick Tock…Davey tick tock!

    • “having practiced amateurish magic (nothing very good) and hypnotized by two famous celebs, including The Amazing Kreskin, I had studied how I could be so suggestible.”

      …. during my uni days we had the famed “Hypno Dog” guy where his angle was his dog (a rather fat black lab) did the hypnotising… anyway I was one of the volunteers and went through the the “process” on stage and followed his instructions… I was desperate to be hypnotised so I really concentrated on his instructions… unfortunately I wasn’t chosen.

      Anyway – 2 things of note; I asked him after the show why he didn’t choose me and he said “not all people are susceptible”, I explained I concentrated on his instructions really hard and he said “I need people to fall under really quickly for my show”…

      The other thing that I don’t have a lot of info about is that one of the students from another campus apparently had real problems the next day and became so unbalanced that he couldn’t finish his course.

      … part of me still wants to be hypnotised just for the “experience”.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I had a bad experience with a stage hypnotist in High School. We went through a cold lake while we were under. For some reason this caused my body temp. to drop. The nurse was very worried and watched as he took me out in the hall and put me back under. He went through the experience with the cold water and had it slowly warm up. Sure enough, I was fine after 20 minutes since I had started shaking. I used it once to quit smoking too and lasted over a year until I thought I could just have one. I’ve started trying to learn as much as I can about it. Jon Atack, actually sent me a message two days later on the Bunker, warning me to avoid it. Skip, turned me on to a couple of old books that I was able to find used on Amazon. That’s as far as I’ve gotten.

  • So, don’t bother watching it — I take it.

    • StudentOfLife

      for serious Bunkerites, it’s Lite Beer. For civilians, it’s Jack Daniels, that is my take. Claire and Marty come off as believable though, and that only bolsters their public image as the cult ramps up attacks on them.

  • StudentOfLife

    Also forgot to mention that while at the Ventura Hospital today, all the nurses and doctors within earshot had watched Going Clear and they all mentioned that the cult (and several called it such) is was now the favorite topic of discussion at the hospital as they all had experiences with patients fighting medical treatment for religious reasons, some claiming to be Scilons. I have five nurses at one point pulling out cell phones as I directed them to the Bunker to watch a drama unmatched by television writers. The Bunker is gaining new fans, even if many are just readers.

    • Tree

      You know those people that draw those vials of blood? Been there done that. Lots of staff were like the water cooler people. But I was in love with my patients more or less.

  • Tree

    I think I need that White Russian, need the recipe?

    • How can I help you today?

      • The Dude

        I see what you did there…..

      • Tree

        Bucket glass, just splash of cream. it should be the color of chocolate milk. Please.

        • brb

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Is that you Dodo? DA!

            • Hahaha! If I’ll work out for 8 month straight, may be.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Do it. Think how much action you’d get to motivate you.

            • Happily married. Might do it anyway though.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              You only live once. I’m skinny and don’t think I could put on that much weight.

            • You can do it easily with the right diet and regimen, I assure you.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            woah! woah! woah! is that for me????

          • Todd Tomorrow

            The Oaky police would call this guy,’Not of Hispanic origin’

      • Ella Raitch

        1. How many times do you get to answer that question?
        2. What’s your response when someone feels like a black russian?

        • 1. Not often. Thank God.
          2. Sure, why not.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          actually a black russian is kahlua and vodka.

    • Baby

      Kahlua, Vodka and Cream.. on the rocks.

  • Tony DePhillips

    I thought the interview with the financial dictator Mike Goldstein seemed pretty reasonable.

  • Jenstnick

    I missed the show on ID tonight so I’m checking the guide for upcoming viewings and all these shows could do something on Scientology. Cause of Death, I Almost Got Away With it, Disappeared, Stalked: Someone’s Watching.

    • beauty for ashes

      Try “dangerous persuasions.”

      • Tory Christman

        It was shown on this. I’m not sure if they’ll keep it running, but here ya go:
        http://tv.twcc.com/tv/dangerous-persuasions/7915053#s0-e8
        Both Spanky and I liked it a lot. Neither of us knew ALL of Marty’s history—so
        that kept it interesting, too. 🙂

        • beauty for ashes

          Thanks Tory! I haven’t watched it yet but its on my DVR. I think Marty generates a lot of polarized opinions among critics. I’m excited to form a more informed approach. I find myself defending him often. I was very influenced by Jesse Prince’s framework. He’s been through a lot.
          Anyway I love you Tory, for all the I love yous you’ve put out in the world on your vlog. I wonder sometimes if that is the only time some people hear it. <3 <3 <3

          • Tory Christman

            Thank you, beauty for ashes 🙂 I feel the same and it was great to hear *his* story, not just the Scientology story. In context, it’s pretty surprising….to say the least. Thank you for your kind words….the Beatles had it right: Love IS all there is. 🙂 🙂

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    Here’s my review of the ID show FWIW. I was intensely interested in the beginning because Marty got into Scn in Portland about a year before me. It showed Portland so-so – of course it’s almost 40 years later, so many shots were just too modern. It missed the headiness of the the beginning Scientologist experience. It does, however, clearly show what drew Marty in, and how they get you when you’re desperate/vulnerable about something. I was in RTC from 84 to 98, so was there when a good portion of his story happened. It didn’t capture the intensity or terror of what goes on. But i have to admit it was intriguing to see re-enactments of these things. The guy that played DM – he seemed to be controlling, but his psycho and paranoia were way too shallow. And he seemed too tall.

    The violence was jarring, though. I worry what my mom will think – she’ll ask if anyone hit me or hurt me. (I have always spared her the worst parts.) The motorcycle getaway culminating in the phone call to his father’s death bed with the handler answering was downright chilling, and I even knew what was going to happen. The show ended strangely if you know Marty’s story. If you don’t – it’s OK. For someone who doesn’t know much about Scientology, it’s impactful and would cause you to stay away. It would also cause you to worry about loved ones you have inside. For those in-the-know – it’s what THDNE said – whitewash. Marty and Claire did great – kudos and thanks to them. The evil and damage is just so much deeper than an hour show covering decades inside could ever show. All that said, IMO it will help the cause and I’m glad it was made.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Was really a pleasure to see Claire. I wish they’d have given her story, its own show. Just the fact she signed on into The Sea Arghh, at six made my stomach churn.

  • The Dude

    Night Kidz!
    Much Love! LOL!
    SP! Out!

  • High Fives and Kudos to Marty and Claire.
    The media, the Tv Networks, storytellers, documentarians, journalists give fiddlesticks about their
    smear hate sites.

    • The Dude

      Truth is Truth.
      They can’t hide for too long. 😉

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Up vote for “fiddlesticks”

    • Todd Tomorrow

      And you darling were one of the first! Always nice to see you stop by for a visit.

  • EnthralledObserver

    What did we watch tonight/today? Any linkys?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I re-watched my DVD of Real Housewives of New Jersey season two. I don’t know what everyone else is talking about. I understand that this is a very unhelpful response.

      • I was binging on Bad Co youtube vids.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          http://youtu.be/SEuKkcX1uKA
          Try to convince me that this isn’t the greatest song ever recorded. No one can.

          • Mission Impossible, indeed.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            mmmm. how about “wild horses” by the sundays.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              mmmm. how about no.
              That’s not even the best song titled “Wild Horses”
              There’s this band called the Rolling Stones.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              fine. Unchained melody by the righteous brother. done.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I can’t even begin

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Yeah that is how i feel about your rolling stones song. lets agree to disagree. we are from different decades. no biggie.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You and I are actually not so far apart in age. I’m slightly younger than you.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              no way!!!?!!??? Really??? I always assumed you were older than me but than i assume that about everyone here. Old Soul? Grunge type? i’m in shock! well okay so we are just different people. : ) no biggie. i like violins and fairies and you like old rock and roll. that is so funny. I’m still in shock. wow okay. goes to show i can’t make asumptions based off avatars here. ha! a holy comoly moment indeed.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Take what he says and divide by 3, three times.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              People seem to assume I am very old, but that is only because I’ve been promoting the financial and hygienic benefits of dental floss since I landed on this board. But I am only 17.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              okay J. you are 17. 🙂

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No, not really. I am 63, and I’d steadily and stealthily creep on you pervy old man style, but I am working that game on someone else here. She knows.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              hahaha! i thought you were older than me.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m not.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              lol. okay now you are being ridiculously silly. we will leave it a mystery then.

            • That’s not even a legal age for posting on the Internet. We all know you are 21, Jimmy.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i call J is at least in his mid 40’s. that is the picture i have in my head. i am sticking with it. it looks great. I thought fly was my age but he is older. i have to give him my compliments for taking off his costume. he is adorbz.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Way off.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i will never know. mid 40’s is my final answer. i’m going off your comments. oh tell fly i think he is adorbz k? his beard is super cool.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              When I was born, Ronald Reagan was President. That is the truth. And I will never tell fly anything. I like him, but it goes against my policy of never telling anyone anything. Goodnight.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ok fine brat. that is just lovely J. i could say I was born when Ronald Reagan was president too. gnite.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No, you’re not allowed to say that.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              yes I can, because it’s the truth.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You can’t copy what I said. There are laws against this sort of stuff.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i was born shortly after Reagan took office so there.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Then I know that you are exactly 67 years old.

              Edit: I think my calculator is broken.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              either way just think of me as your annoying little sister at the bunker. always tugging on your shirt no matter how old you are. : )

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Okay, fair enough. I have to sleep now. Some assholes are coming in the morning to frack my yard, and I have to convince them there’s no natural gas to be found here. Because there really isn’t any. Someone sent them as a prank. You can’t make this shit up.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              haha. gnite old ass.

            • There is no fracking in Cleveland, Jimmy. Sleep well.

            • Betty

              You are wise beyond your years James.

            • Betty

              That’s America to me by Frank Sinatra.

          • Hamtaro

            Bad Company? I can’t deny.

          • I can’t remember who liked the group I posted here a few months ago… anyway, here’s their new video… I just love these guys… sort of dubstep meets trance

            https://youtu.be/CAANOv7waKs

            • It was me. Love these guys. Thanks Lush!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              it was me too

            • and here’s the first video that got me hooked [for those that like the one above]…. the final ‘jump’ at the 4’50” mark is amazing

              https://youtu.be/DKek5fJYXLQ

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              For this, I doff my top hat, and don my cat-in-the-hat hat.

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Between the Rembrandt and Picasso in the salon, hangs the family’s Bad Company concert poster.

        • Stephanie Loving

          Paul Rodgers … one of the greatest (if not “the” greatest) rock vocalist ever. Up there with John and Paul M. I love “Bad Company” by Bad Company! ;o)

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        When a one of the “Real Housewives of New Jersey” thinks you are “whack”, it’s all over…

        https://twitter.com/KathyWakile/status/586349200822046721

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          She does not seem to have any clue what “whack” means,

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I hate typing on Ipad.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Thanks Jimmy… I’ve come to expect that from you, so all good, buddy. 😉 haha

  • valshifter

    DMSMH page 249. oh no Dianetics is not Hypnotism

    • Mockingbird

      Oops He admitted it !

  • PappeKak

    This is a public service announcement

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I was looking at this article and they show the LRH museum: http://www.businessinsider.com/a-tour-of-scientologys-los-angeles-real-estate-2015-4?op=1
    If someone taking the tour was to pull out their iphone and say “Hey, that’s interesting, let me Google that!” upon hearing some untrue claim about LRH, what would their reaction be? Anyone know?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      walrus. how do you mine for all these articles about scientology? do you have a list of sites that you normaly go to? just being nosey.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        If you have gmail there is a setting that daily shows you the latest articles on a subject. I’m a trader and each one of my stocks is set up to alert me of issues.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          thx. will do that.

        • How does one becomes a trader?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I had a mentor that I worked with who taught me some basic principles. But the more you do it the better you get at it. Helps to have some money to start out with. It’s not consistent money no matter how good you are at it. Some years you’ll do great and others you’ll actually have losses.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Hey, Wogsy! Usually, I just do a search on Twitter for “scientology”. I don’t have time to search through the comments here anymore, since I’m late to the table and I figure everything has already been discussed here hours ago. 🙁

        • Super Power Wogsy

          thanks! Grrr. im not a twitter fan but i will hop on the bandwagon i guess.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            BTW – I don’t even have a twitter account.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oh you just do #scientology?

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I don’t include the # because that eliminates the tweets that leave the # out. Most people do not send their tweets to COS they just tweet about them. If you add the # only those sent to Scientology (#scientology) show up in the search results.

    • PappeKak

      Hilarity would ensue.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Would they tell you to put it away? Would they escort you out? They must have had this happen, since everyone is always looking at their smart phones anyway. Seems that they would have some kind of protocol or script to handle this. Maybe an Ex has seen this happen. IDK

        • PappeKak

          I’d be willing to bet they use cell-phone and internet blockers in their buildings.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Ooh, I didn’t think of that. Thanks.

            • PappeKak

              I don’t know. But semi-professional teams of PI’s armed with Molotov cocktails, multiple thousands of rounds of ammunition, advanced surveillance electronics including GPS vehicle tracking, an array of semi-automatic pistols and assault weapons including unlicensed illegal silencers would seem to be more difficult and more costly to obtain than a few hackers with skilz and knowledge enough to install cell/wifi jammers.

      • Hi, PK. Were you in and have you considered changing your handle?
        You don’t have to, of course, but you know what I mean?
        I just can’t get over it, every time. Feel free to ignore this.

  • Just found out that all my Norgue uni buddies have decided to have our gentleman’s weekend in Vegas this autumn…. aye caramba!

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Aye Caramba? Have fun!

    • Ella Raitch

      Say g’day to Devon Newman at the Celebrity Centre!

  • For those who post early when the new Bunker post is up you might want to send some greetings to one of our regulars…. shhh, don’t tell her

    • Same goes for Mimi and Luis.

    • Miss Tia

      aw!! thank you so much ML!!! i was very pleasantly and happily surprised by all the birthday wishes yesterday!! 🙂 definitely brightened my day!!

  • Pierrot

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    Yesterday’s removals: Sac way ahead of Tampa, SFBay and Cincinnati

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    And Jeffrey Swift : http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/
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    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Early bird gets the worm, or rather has a job requiring early attendance.

      The IRS form thing, made me think that the Author Serivces Inc staffers today ought be interviewed carefully next time when the IRS does their tax exemption review.

      There are ample examples over the decades of ASI (Author Services Inc) staff feeling compelled to absolutely do orders issued by David Miscavige. And if David Miscavige is RTC, then he cannot order into the for profit ASI.

      Examples are Sea Org day, held sometimes in past years at the Int Base separately for the top Int level orgs. ASI staff come dressed in their Sea Org uniforms, I know, I did the years I went as an ASI staffer.

      Similarly, in years past, when the weekly Saturday night briefing was held by Miscavige, he ruled, and ASI staff sat like subservients to Miscavige, and ASI staff who got into the shits were dealt with by RTC staff giving them correction and ethics handlings.

      So the long list of ex ASI staff in recent years willing to talk, and even existing ASI staff ought be inteviewed if the IRS understands things well enough, to ask the right questions of them, to snoop out the tax violations that ASI staff felt compelled by their subservience to David Miscavige over the years, with specifics.

      • Stephanie Loving

        Thanks ChuckBEx … informative! Quick question: Is Hugh Wilhere related to Greg? I ask because so many families seem to be in together and it’s not a super common last name.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Hugh is Greg Wilhere’s older brother. Hugh used to be a PR man in the old Guardian’s Office also. Hugh became a PR man in Author Services Inc almost at the beginning of Author Services Inc, he transfered to ASI.

          He thus has a long history in ASI, one of the longest staffers there.

          both he and Greg have a lot of history in the top ranks. Hugh’s dealt with a lot of high level contacts for ASI and did all the cheesy PR stuff.

  • PRenaud

    Shit shit shit…. I can’t see Dangerous Persuasions, viewing is for the US only.

  • Sweet Thursday.

  • FOTF2012

    The Scientology “brand” has become toxic. The “Narconon” brand has become toxic.

    And it is not because of supposed “suppressive persons” (SPs). It is because Scientology was built rigidly from the get-go to be unable to evolve and transcend, unable to take feedback and improve, unable to grow and be self-responsible, unable to escape its paranoia about the “wog” world and “psychs.” It is locked into Keeping Scientology Working (KSW) and so can never detoxify its brand without a true awakening of a revolutionary sort that it is barred from reaching or even considering.

  • Lucas

    Tony stated “…an alternative version of Scientology that was called Idenics.”

    Actually, to set the record straight, Idenics is not an alternative version of Scientology. There are many
    practices out there that are based wholly, or in part, on Scientology’s philosophy, principles and/or practices. They go by various names and are easily located in the “free zone” or “independent field”. But Idenics isn’t one of them. Really, the only way it’s related to Scientology is that a former member, John Galusha, developed it; and today it continues due to the efforts of Mike Goldstein.

    From personal experience, in Idenics, there isn’t anything that resembles Scientology. I experienced no “hard sell” or “regging”, no recruiting for staff or Sea Org, no ethics handlings, no disconnection, no billion year or “Staff” contracts, etc. There’s also nothing to believe, no preconceived ideas, no “Bridge” to ascend, no clay demos, no word clearing, no TRs, no ashtrays, no fantastic cosmology, no Orgs one has to go to, no periodic
    events, no new releases to buy, etc., etc., etc. Hopefully, you get the point. There is a single book one can buy from Idenics.com or on Amazon, if so inclined.

    Idenics is, simply stated, a methodology that’s an alternative to therapy. It’s actually closer to Eastern
    philosophy than anything. Its application and approach to the area of helping one handle or resolve whatever issues or problems they want to address is quite unique. It helped me take back or reclaim my power and
    control in areas where I had gotten stuck and felt quite vulnerable. And pretty damn fast, too.

    Personally, I had about 10 sessions total of Idenics with Mike Goldstein and loved them. They helped
    immensely in areas that I needed resolved once and for all; very personal things that never got resolved in my 23 years in Scientology. And we only worked on the personal things I wanted to address.

    When I left the cult some years ago, I spent months researching what I was going to do next on my personal journey. That research included alternative as well as traditional therapy systems, not to mention the various independent Scientology type services. But then I stumbled onto this write-up by Mike Goldstein:

    http://www.freezoneplanet.org/

    I liked what I read, and the fact that in its decades-long history, I could find no complaints by anyone that tried Idenics, which is remarkable in itself. So, I took a chance and got a free session from Mike. The rest, of
    course, is history.

    • flyonthewall

      Congrats on leaving the cult Lucas. I was never in but am fascinated by it and follow it closely. Hope you are doing well in whatever path you choose!

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