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Garcias ask for reconsideration on judge’s error: ‘We never agreed that Scientology is a religion’

Luis_GarciaOn March 13, Tampa federal Judge James D. Whittemore granted the Church of Scientology’s motion to compel Luis and Rocio Garcia to submit to Scientology’s internal arbitration scheme, which essentially ended the Garcias’ lawsuit against the church. The Garcias, who live in Irvine, California, had sued the church for fraud, contending that donations they’d given of several hundred thousand dollars had been pried out of them through lying and deceit.

They also contended that Scientology’s “arbitration” scheme didn’t really exist, and was just concocted for contracts they had signed in order to shield Scientology from lawsuits. As former members who had been declared “suppressive persons,” they would never get a fair hearing from Scientology’s own arbitrators, they said. Judge Whittemore agreed that the arbitration scheme appeared to be something of a phantom, but he argued that he couldn’t rule if the Garcias would get fair treatment because that would require him to judge the practices and values of a church, and since both sides agreed Scientology was a religion, he couldn’t go there.

The Garcias, once they took a close look at the order, did a double take. When did they ever agree that Scientology was a religion?

If you’re like us, you’ve been wondering what the Garcias were going to do after Whittemore’s order. Would they actually go through with Scientology arbitration? Would they appeal the judge’s order?

Instead, they’re doing something else — they’ve filed a motion to reconsider. They argue that Judge Whittemore just flat-out made a big mistake and they want a do-over. They say that Whittemore assumed that the Garcias agreed that Scientology is a religion for the purpose of the motion, when actually neither side — the Garcias or Scientology — asked for that to be a consideration.

Here’s what Whittemore said on page six of the March 13 order that seemingly ended the lawsuit: “As an initial matter, the parties agree that the Church of Scientology is a religious organization and that the dispute between the parties as to whether Plaintiffs’ claims are subject to arbitration reaches First Amendment implications.”

But hang on, writes Garcia attorney Ted Babbitt: “That is simply incorrect. Plaintiffs have never agreed that the Church of Scientology is a religious organization.”

Babbitt also points out that even Scientology wasn’t asking for a ruling about its First Amendment rights as a religion — it was saving that for another motion later.

And it’s simply wrong, Babbitt says, for Whittemore to assume that Scientology is a religion, when his research suggests that no court has ruled as such. “Research on that subject reveals no case in which the issue of whether Scientology is a religion was contested and decided by a Court that is binding on this Court or has any precedential value. To the contrary, Plaintiffs, if given an opportunity, could show that the Church of Scientology is a business under the cover of religion.”

Hey, now that’s something we’d like to watch! Babbitt continues…

Plaintiffs can produce evidence that Scientology possesses an elaborate corporate structure which is primarily a money making racket aimed less at promoting spiritual values than at squeezing individual Scientologists for as much money as they can pay. There is ample evidence that despite its claimed “religious” teachings and use of quasi-religious vocabulary, Scientology does not really have anything that could be called a theology. Critics suspect that clerical terms like spiritual, God, and Church mainly serve the purpose of tax evasion.

Zing!

We have a feeling this is a bit of a long shot — how often do motions to reconsider actually prevail, we’d like to know from our expert community — but we find this motion entertaining as all get out. Give it a look and tell us what you think…

 

Garcia vs. Scientology: Motion to Reconsider

 
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Jon_AtackJon Atack on Steve Hassan’s Combating Cult Mind Control

Jon Atack has given us a piece that gives us the opportunity to recommend a book for our community. Take it away, Jon…

When I left Scientology, I was eager to find out as much as I could about the cult. I still believed — indeed, I was at the center of the UK ‘independent’ movement for several months — but that didn’t hinder my curiosity. As a member, I’d read Cyril Vosper’s Mindbenders, Christopher Evans’s Cults of Unreason, and sociologist Roy Wallis’s Road to Total Freedom. So, I’ve never been afraid that my mind might be changed by evidence. The refusal to even consider information in most departing members surprised me, but, then, I didn’t know about cognitive dissonance which so often prevents us from considering evidence that conflicts with our beliefs.

What I learned about Hubbard after leaving made me highly suspicious of his motives. Why would anyone believe a pathological liar who insisted that “honesty is sanity?” I collected 27 official biographies published by Scientology — most of them authored by Hubbard, all of them copyrighted to him — and no two were the same. Hubbard was careless with facts. He liked to tell stories. He was a fabulist.

It took me only a few weeks to distance myself from the “Technology” with the realization that the promises made for it had none of them been fulfilled. There have never been any Clears or OTs. The “release” grades are bogus (try persuading a Scientologist to “communicate freely on any subject” by reading my book). Scientology simply creates “auditing” junkies, desperate for the next “level.” It is actually an intelligence agency posing as a religion.

But it took me years to understand what Scientology really is: A systematic form of indoctrination that overwhelms the “self-determinism” of its members, turning them into dependent fanatics, hooked on the euphoria of its hypnotic “processes” and antagonistic to anyone who questions its beliefs. Steve Hassan’s Combating Cult Mind Control was one of the first books that I read about exploitative persuasion, and it was the first to make complete sense to me. It provided a simple route map of techniques common to all cults, and demonstrated, beyond doubt, that we Dev-OTs had been exploited and manipulated.

Soon after I read the book, I had the pleasure of meeting Steve, who stayed at my house for a couple of days. My own book, A Piece of Blue Sky, had just made legal history as the only book ever prohibited from publication in the US that did not violate state security (the only other book subjected to “prior restraint” — in violation of the First Amendment — was Victor Marchetti’s expose of the CIA). Steve read the proof copy and was overjoyed that we defeated the injunction and were able to publish. We have remained friends ever since that day, over 25 years ago.

In that time, hundreds of thousands of people around the world have benefited from Combating Cult Mind Control. Typically, ex members are baffled by their experience. They cannot understand how their reasoning was bypassed, as they come to realize just how obvious the deceptions of the cult were. In the documentary Going Clear, two-time Oscar winner Paul Haggis suggests that he was simply stupid, but this is no explanation at all (did I mention that he’d won two Oscars?).

Many extremely intelligent and talented people are drawn into cults. When I was a member, Scientology had many lawyers, doctors and scientists in its ranks. My course supervisor at Birmingham was a PhD who worked for NASA. The cult even boasted a professor of sociology who wrote a response to Roy Wallis during his brief membership. Psychiatrist Frank ‘Sarge’ Gerbode was a member for almost 15 years, before defecting to found the Institute for Research into Metapsychology.

All too often, ex-members simply ignore the evidence, without realizing that they are responding to the cult’s phobia induction. As Steve has long said, “If you were under mind control, how would you know?” With Scientologists, it is often the sense of superiority that cripples enquiry: What Hubbard called “know best” and inflicted upon us all. Cult expert Christian Szurko tells me that in over 30 years working with former cult members, ex-Scientologists tend to be the most arrogant (not a problem at the Bunker, I hasten to add, and I am extremely humble, as I’m sure you’ve realized).

Steve contacted me when he started work on the updated version of Combating Cult Mind Control, late last year. I’ve contributed material about Scientology and offered a few minor tweaks.

The new book widens the net. Those of us with significant experience of cults have long realized that the same dynamics apply to all fanatical groups. Steve has extended his argument to include terrorists and human traffickers. He includes the story of Masoud Banisadr, a former ambassador for the Iranian MeK, which has the dubious honor of inventing ‘suicide’ bombing. He also includes Rachel Thomas’s story. She was recruited by a modelling agency, but soon found herself trapped in a sex trafficking ring.

Steve has also added two of the larger cults, each of which boasts millions of members: Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons. The new edition also has a new chapter showing how we can all help to educate the public and our leaders about this increasingly dangerous phenomenon. Although the Moonies are no longer in the news in the West, the cult field is burgeoning, with new groups springing up daily. Events in the Middle East show just how dangerous fanaticism can be. Groups such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda grow because of the social dynamics of undue influence. We all need to understand these dynamics and educate our children, to make a safer world.

Combating Cult Mind Control remains the best introduction to the techniques of manipulation. Techniques relied upon by Hubbard and so many other narcissistic creators of totalist cults. It is a must read. And, the truth is, you won’t know if you were subjected to mind control until you truly understand how mind control works. Read this book and find out!

I’d also be grateful if, having read it, you would promote it on Amazon and other sites, give it to friends and let your political representative know about it.

— Jon Atack

 
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Alex Gibney op-ed in the LA Times

Filmmaker Alex Gibney has a masterful opinion piece on the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times today. He lays out a description of Scientology’s reaction to his film, Going Clear, and the increased private eye activity that we’ve noticed. He also brings up the new report about spying on Ron Miscavige, the father of Scientology leader David Miscavige. Gibney makes the point that Scientology is able to do these things because we, the American public, subsidize the church in the form of tax exempt charitable status. Isn’t it time the IRS reviewed that status?

He’s careful to say that a review shouldn’t be based on Scientology’s beliefs, but on its behavior. Behavior that tends to benefit David Miscavige himself, or actor Tom Cruise, which is against the rules for a tax exempt religious organization. “It seems to me that our government has a ‘fundamental, overriding interest’ in protecting individual liberty by not subsidizing harassment or surveillance by gun-toting private eyes. The 1st Amendment should not be a smokescreen to hide human rights abuses and possible criminal activities.”

It’s a great piece of writing, and make sure you give it a look.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 11, 2015 at 07:00

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  • cdub

    stats will be straight down and vertical

  • MoX, Mother of Xenu

    Oh give me a home …
    Where a Thetan can roam …
    And an OT can be Clear ever day …

    Where it’s fun to clear a word …
    And entheta is not heard …
    And the regging is light for a change …

    • DangDadgummit

      Hole, Hole is my home
      Where the fear and the entropy roam
      Where seldom there’s sleep
      In this herd, who’s not sheep?
      And the sh1t is I pulled it all in

      • MoX, Mother of Xenu

        Where the niacin is so hot, and the black panthers so free,
        Where CCHR is so awesome and right,,
        That I would not exchange my home on the Freewinds,
        For all of the family I can’t see.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Ya’ll are killin’ it!

        • The Dude

          Give me a home.
          Where the P.I.’s never roam.
          And my trash is not searched every day.
          Where I can live well.
          And D.M. goes to a cell.
          And we all live happy all day!

          • MoX, Mother of Xenu

            Give me your home,
            It’s all for the loan,
            So you can be up-tone,
            And I can get up stats.

  • Tom Yozwiak

    LOS ANGELES—Actor John Travolta was rushed to UCLA Medical Center Monday with a near-fatal tone-scale reading of 0.5, or “grief.”

    Film star John Travolta, who was rushed to UCLA Medical Center Monday with a near-fatal tone-scale reading of 0.5.

    Travolta, who has since been upgraded to 2.5, or “boredom,” was quickly revived by emergency-room technicians, attending physician Stephen Citarella said.

    “Mr. Travolta was in extremely serious condition when he was brought in, but fortunately, he responded well to emergency touch-assist treatment and quickly began making rudimentary wins,” Citarella said. “It’s just lucky that his emergent condition was discovered before he completely went out of affinity with MEST.”

    Travolta was at home at approximately 10 a.m. when he reported feeling faint. A subsequent Electropsychometer audit by his personal physician revealed an alarmingly low tone, and he was assigned a condition of doubt and rushed to the hospital.

    Doctors are still uncertain as to what caused the longtime Clear’s condition to deteriorate so rapidly.

    “It is quite a puzzle,” UCLA Medical Center chief of staff Ronald Offerman said. “Mr. Travolta’s reactive mind could be inhibited by an engram, if not secondaries and locks as well, throwing out the correctness of his computations. But how an engram or even a chain could have entered the reactive mind of an Operating Thetan like Mr. Travolta is hard to explain.”

    “This is more serious than mere overts and withholds,” UCLA’s Dr. Randy Ferber said. “While more tests still need to be done, I suspect that an immense entheta implant, R6 or worse, has knocked Travolta down the bridge. It may even be possible that this occurred far back on his time track, and I don’t have to tell you the shocking implications of that.”

    Travolta’s medical diagnosis.

    Travolta’s hospitalization has sparked an outpouring of support: The star has received thousands of cards, flowers and letters from concerned fans and fellow celebrities, including Tom Cruise, Kirstie Alley, Chick Corea and internationally renowned rock bassist Billy Sheehan.

    While many experts believe Travolta’s illness is engram-related, Dr. Tobias Welch, the star’s personal physician, has not ruled out the possibility that the problem occurred during training for OT Levels.

    “John may have been given some squirreled tech, in which case we would have to involve the RTC and unhat his Course Supervisor,” Welch said. “This condition could have been exacerbated if he read some training materials and went past a word he didn’t understand.”

    Misunderstood words are one of three barriers to learning identified by Welch, a revolutionary in the field of education as well as a master cinematographer, adventurer, philosopher, author, poet, humanitarian, administrator, yachtsman, artist, composer, lyricist, war hero and nuclear physicist.

    When asked whether Travolta’s condition could be traced to Xenu, the intergalactic overlord who imprisoned countless thetans on Earth 75 million years ago, Welch said: “I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

    Doctors have also left open a small but distinct possibility that Travolta was poisoned.

    “Certainly, a chemical contamination might be the explanation,” Citarella said. “His food or water could have been tampered with by a wog, or maybe even an SP. Or, a psychiatrist or some other dead agent might have poisoned him with the killer drug Prozac, though it would’ve had to have been a very small amount to explain the minor extent of damage. But Mr. Travolta will be given a full Purif Rundown, just to be safe.”

    While no charges have been filed, Travolta’s wife, actress Kelly Preston, was called in for “routine questioning” Tuesday by LAPD officials, who have left open the possibility that she somehow enturbulated her husband.

    “We cannot afford to rule out anything at this point,” LAPD spokesperson Frank Pistone said. “Mr. Travolta’s wife may be a Potential Trouble Source, or even, shocking as it may seem, suppressive.”

    If found to be suppressive, Preston could be RPFed, declared or even disconnected by Travolta.

    • MoX, Mother of Xenu

      Can we get his room number? I’d like to send him some flowers and a nice board game I think he needs.

      http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/clue-board-game-box-cover-01.jpg

      • Tom Yozwiak

        I believe he is now recovering on Space Base 33.

        • MoX, Mother of Xenu

          So I need to use that Tardis Express service to get the stuff there yesterday?

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            i think its extra to use the Van Allen Belt

            • MoX, Mother of Xenu

              Van Allen Belt? Girl I stopped using belts around the time I decided girdles were no longer part of my wardrobe options ….

            • beauty for ashes

              LMAO! Can I have whatever you’re having? MoX Kitteh you’re on a roll tonight!

            • DangDadgummit

              Maw can trip the light fantastic, she can !

            • MoX, Mother of Xenu

              At my age it’s less tripping the light fantastic and more felling with a semblance of grace … and a sense of gratitude that I’ve been blessed with sufficient internal cushioning.

            • MoX, Mother of Xenu

              Sure … lots of stuff that CCHR prohibits mixed with stuff the Feds tried prohibiting in the 20’s … can never go wrong …

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              And it’s awfully warm there.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i think its a short cut.

  • Tipper

    Hi there, I’ve been a lurker for a while. I was wondering does anyone know why the PI story didn’t come out at the time or how la times even found out about it? Seems a little strange because once it broke outlets obtained audio almost immediately.

    Also, does their almost non-response to these scandals indicate to anyone that they may be the subject of a federal investigation so more mums the word than usual?

    • MoX, Mother of Xenu

      As recent lurker-turned-commenter … welcome. Curious about that myself.

      • Tipper

        Thank you. Yeah, can’t put my finger on it but that this pi thing sorta broke out of the blue and their near non comment kinda seems like they’ve been under a federal investigation for a while now. I have to believe once this Powell character told his tail – recorded no less- it was shared with federal authorities because if im not mistaken this is crime committed over several states on a “churches” behalf.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          if you go to the bottom of the comments you can click on the story and it will explain.

          • Tipper

            Ack, it’s going to take 2 days to get to the bottom of the comments, but thank you…I’ll try!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              no it doesn’t. just go rite to bottom with out loading more comments and it’s rite there. 🙂

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              its at the bottom of the page

            • Tipper

              Thanks

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              its rite below the thick grey( more comments bar) you can choose several different articles

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Tipper – welcome! Ummm.. good question as to why this didn’t see the light of day sooner – dunno. Regarding your second question – I think that is a very distinct possibility.

      • Tipper

        Thank you. I speculated below that perhaps this was shared with federal authorities from the on set.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          Yes, I commented on just this very topic earlier today. Me thinks the PI got off so light because the feds real person of interest is Miscavige, and the PI is spilling the beans on him.

      • Tipper

        Can you imagine law enforcement stumbling on this guy with all these firearms in his car and his answer to it all is The Church of Scientology put me up to this? I think I would of been like what the hell are you talking about? A secondary problem for CoS, the randomness of it can not be dismissed.

        But this coming out like it did does indicate to me at least they turned it over to the Feds and the Feds started investigating and that’s why it did not come out at the time.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          I think you’re right on the mark. They already have Miscavige listed as their “Suspect” in all this. Getting off that light for possession of a silencer indicates to me a plea agreement which stipulates the PI tell all he knows about Miscavige.

          • Tipper

            And the pi’s financial records and tax filings had to be verified, an the the pi who he was hired by, the cut out- records and so on had to be subpoenaed . They wouldn’t give him a plea with some crazy story without verification.

            To anyone’s knowledge has the Powell pi or pi that retained on cos behalf been contacted or heard from for comment? Witness protection?

          • Tipper

            And right…being called suspect– hiring Florida pi from CAlifonia to spy in Wisconsin…federal

          • Tipper

            Also, ( sorry for so many questions) could be a reason for Tom Cruise’s non comment too?

            I assume he could be drag netted in a fed investigation if he did have Nicole Kidmann ( and who knows maybe Katie Holmes) phone wire tapped. His attack lawyer Bert isn’t talking which is usually an indication of deeper dealings- say as little as possible

            • Deb

              He’s been too busy staging photo ops with adoring fans in public places to comment.

    • Sydjazz

      Freedom of information?

      • Tipper

        If I was a reporter that would be my next angle and I would be getting a “we do not discuss on-going investigations” quote if I could

        • That would already be something, together with “Suspect : David Miscavige”

    • Super Power Wogsy

      welcome to the Bunker Tipper.

      • Tipper

        Thank you, I’m humbled and floored by the bravery of so many to speak out and fight.

        • beauty for ashes

          Hi Tipper, welcome to the bunker! I like to offer a possible avatar picture as a welcome gift. (don’t feel at all obliged) I once knew this really cute Dalmatian named Tippy. This little guy is sooo cute! **Beauty**( F5)

          • Tipper

            Thanks beauty…I’m a full on dog lover!

            • beauty for ashes

              You’re soo welcome Tipper! I’m glad you like it. 🙂

            • Baby

              Welcome Tipper.. Love your avi that Beauty gave you.. I am a dog nut..

          • Frodis73

            Oh, I so want this dog. As Baby would say, gimme that pup!!

          • Baby

            Awwwwwwwww Beauty.. so cute..that was nice of you.. so sweeeeeeet..

            • beauty for ashes

              I learned by watching you MOM! LOL

            • Baby

              awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww so sweet..xox Or I could be your grandmother?

  • Sydjazz

    If this goes through it will be massive

    • MoX, Mother of Xenu

      Gallstone …

      Kidneystone …

      Blockage of some sort …

      Sorry … my nap left me kind of feisty …

    • Captain MustSavage

      If what goes through?

  • Observer

    I recommend you sterilize your keyboards and immediately don latex gloves (unless you’re allergic). Whatever this is has resurged with a vengeance. Passing out again. Good night.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      oh dang girl. hope you feel better.

    • NOLAGirl

      Sorry to hear that Obs. Hope it leaves you soon. (((hugs)))

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      I am so sorry. hope you feel better soon.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Oh, hon. When you wake up drink ginger tea…

    • MoX, Mother of Xenu

      There’s little I haven’t caught and built up an immunity to …

      That which doesn’t kill you … just pisses you off

      Hope you’re right as rain soon sweetie …

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I had a nasty sort of bronchitis after a sinus infection that lasted almost two weeks. That’s why I’ve spent so much time here lately. It felt like I picked up every virus in the ball pit at a Chuck E. Cheese’s. But I know that’s impossible, because I haven’t been back there since I was banned. But I am starting to feel much better, and I hope you will, too. Keep chugging that Tussin!

      Love always,
      Typhoid Jimmy

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        oh no — you read the OTIII material didn’t you ! shame shame shame

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        P.S. No, I wasn’t banned from Chuck E. Cheese’s due to an innocent with a child. I’m not a monster. What happened was that I thought Chuck himself was looking at me funny. And, long story short, it turns out that it’s just a guy in a mouse costume. Robitussin is one helluva drug.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          mmhmmm ok.

        • MoX, Mother of Xenu

          Didn’t think you did anything worse than leave a good old-fashioned passive aggressive review on Yelp ….

          The only monsters who comment here are trolls and they usually don’t comment as frequently as you …

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Which yelp comment? You’re talking about when I blasted Chuck E. Cheese’s for not having salad forks, right?

            • MoX, Mother of Xenu

              They have salads now?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It’s hard to banter with people when they don’t get it. I know. I’ve been on both sides of that.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        my fav scene from that episode

    • I have some horrid plague as well. Feel better Obs *passes out*

      • NOLAGirl

        You too Nat. Feel better soon. 🙂

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Oh no! Get better.

    • shasha40

      Feel better , Obs ! I’ve had both type A and type B flu this year . picked it up from a visit to the doctors office , with my daughter . I wasn’t even the patient . Be wary , Bunker fam . . 😉

  • NOLAGirl

    TMZ readers have figured out what we already knew. Miscavige is an a-hole. (F5)

    • DangDadgummit

      too funny. Dave Miscavige is becoming mock material for celebzines and late night comedians. Can’t touch that!

    • beauty for ashes

      THIS!!!!!!!!!! Y’all know TMZ readers are BIG gossips. (alright I’m just postulating that) As Todd Tomorrow says “dideminate dideminate!”

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        i have just been asking about him cuz i have not seen him in awhile.

        • beauty for ashes

          Well Donna, this party has been too big to find anyone lately. Its possible he’s been here, I just haven’t seen him.

          • The Dude

            I just popped back in.
            You are right. This is his time frame.
            I have not seen him. He is one of my buds. WTF!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i haven’t seen him in days. he got in cat daddy trouble twice that i saw,thats why i am worried.

            • The Dude

              What?

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Tony got on him for posting videos without reason i guess. he never made a comment about the video,just the video would appear.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Tony said it was spamming the thread.

            • The Dude

              I admit that the other day I got into a bad thread that started as a prison joke that went way out of control. I came back to my computer a hour or two later and the whole thing was deleted. I DO understand why, because it when too far.
              I had gone back to apologize. but it was gone.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Admit it: during that 2 hours you were away, you were on lockdown. All inmates on the wall, cells bars closed.

            • The Dude

              Eh! Forget about it!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              well i am not glad it happened but threads have disappeared and i have thought it was disqus or something because i haven’t seen anyone else comment about it.or maybe its just me seeing things.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yay he just posted !

            • beauty for ashes

              Maybe you can find him through your own comment history and bug him a bit.:)

      • DangDadgummit

        is it just me… like 35,000 people! That’s a humungous number that bothered to vote.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thanks beauty!

        • beauty for ashes

          Yeah! Silly words 🙂 they’re just fun to say.

        • Baby

          Where in the hell have you been? I’ve been worried sick about you..

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Head cold and clogged ear. I get frequent ear infections since I was a kid. Had surgery but it didn’t help. But it makes me all vertigo.. How are you?

            • beauty for ashes

              Oi vey. I hear you. 🙁 Did you get your ear vacuumed? That was a new weird thing last time it was really bad.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yeah, they’ve done that a few times. I think this one is different because I have a head cold. One time I was on an airplane and I sneezed and blew out my left ear drum. It’s never been the same but a new Dr. wants to try another surgery.

            • beauty for ashes

              What can they do?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He wants to remove the scar tissue that has grown around the ear drum. It’s micro surgery so it won’t be as dangerous as when I had it as a kid. My ear problems started from swimmers ear. Every once in awhile It’ll just pop and I can hear in stereo for a month or less until it clogs up again.

            • beauty for ashes

              I hope it goes well Todd. I’m sure life would feel freer if you could hear in stereo ALL the time. 🙂

            • Baby

              I still have that damn vertigo.. I hate it when I lay down..I have only had the ear problems for a year..

              Swimming in my old bosses pool.. didn’t dawn on me that her 3 dogs swim in there and you can imagine the shit and piss.. ugh..

              I keep going to the Dr. and he just keeps cleaning out my ears.

              I don’t know if I have a cold or allergies.. runny nose 24/7 ..

              OMG we sound so old huh? ha..

              Just really enjoying what is going on in the world of DM.. Fabulous, huh? xo

              PS .. this is to both of us getting better..

            • Juicer77

              (O/T and butting in but do you use the Neti-Pot? I swear the salt water helps with recurring infections and allergies. Just a thought).

            • Jon Hendry

              Just make sure to use distilled water! Otherwise there’s a small but real risk of getting a case of those incurable, deadly brain-eating amoebas. Two such deaths occurred in Louisiana in 2011.

              http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/rare-infection-prompts-neti-pot-warning/?_r=0

            • Juicer77

              GAH!

            • Baby

              Yeah…trying to get me killed Juicer.. hahah

            • Todd Tomorrow

              We had a lab mix that would get out of the pool to pee. But I have the same runny nose 24/7. Ugh.

            • Jon Hendry

              “Swimming in my old bosses pool.. didn’t dawn on me that her 3 dogs swim in there and you can imagine the shit and piss.. ugh..”

              My brother used to work for Olin, which made HTH pool sanitizer at the time. Supposedly they got a customer service call once from someone inquiring whether it would be safe to swim in a pool with a dead horse in it. (Answer: yes. I think. I’ll have to check with him.)

            • Baby

              Swear to God.. OMG… hahahhaha.. that gave me the Willies Jon.. ha

    • worstcultever

      wow. very, very excellent.

      oh, and a thought on the usage of “harassed” in the poll – to me what they actually did was/is even worse than the “noisy” (a la Rathbuns) stuff – to invade every aspect of someone’s personal world so completely and surreptitiously (which come to think of it, they did do with the Rathbuns too, in addition to all the “noisy” stuff, dildo buffoonery, etc.) – anyway, this is the creepiest, creepiest shit .. absolute destruction of all human notions of trust and good faith that we all rely on to exist .. god i hate the psychopaths lrh and miscavige

      • DangDadgummit

        the thing is, Eller Aitche paid. in the end, he was dead meat. a stroke. debilitated. living in an RV outside a million dollar property.

        no friends. no love. no one to trust. nothing. and empty nothing with a years old sebaceous cyst in the middle of his forehead.

        but Miscavige has more survival end-game skills than Eller Aitche ever had. he won’t go isolate; he’ll run his corporations and his 5,000 member staff (Sea Ogres) till the bitter end.

        • worstcultever

          It’s certainly interesting to speculate on the Mini Mobster – what does a psycho billionaire criminal, thoroughly exposed and universally despised, exactly do with himself?

          • DangDadgummit

            according to Rinder, he’s choosing the carpets for the visitors entryway in Taiwan, for Meepthorp’s sake. He is in all 5,000 Sea Ogres shi1t. And all the whale’s sh1t and the celebutard scilon’s sh1t.

            He is dealing with everything everywhere and he won’t stop til he’s dropped. and who knows what can take him down…

            • worstcultever

              Interesting contrast scenario to the sordid end of Source .. but my bet’s still on flight/hiding/utter cowardice when things really heat up for Slappy .. it seems baked into the “tech” somehow

            • DangDadgummit

              I don’t think so. To him, he – with the 2,400 lawsuits against the IRS, along with the entire get the IRS operation – made the IRS back down and beat them to the ground and got tax exemption, saving $1 billion due Uncle Sam. Billionaire’s have a lot of choices other than fleeing.

              Well see, WorstCE- that story will reveal itself in the next few years.

            • worstcultever

              But he’s a person out of touch with the flow of the world .. and living in a personal bubble where physical force and mental abuse win everything all the time .. can mere money save him from what’s coming? Also a fantasist (Cruise crush) and substance abuser .. well, we’ll see.

    • Zer0

      link?

    • PickAnotherID

      Now if ‘Extra!’ would just get a clue. They’re still just doing total puff pieces on TC and JT, with no mention of $cientology at all.

  • Juicer77

    Just back from dinner with good friends and a few glasses of wine. Happy Saturday night everyone, or whatever day/time frame you’re in.

    • Sir_Real

      Happy Saturday night to you too! What was your wine selection tonight?

      • Juicer77

        Pinot noir rose, a new experiment. It was a good choice with the scallops risotto and oysters on the half shell from various locales. We talked all night and it was fab 🙂

        • Sir_Real

          That sounds like a menu formulated by the gods, No wonder the conversation lasted into the night, jolly good.

        • A long night at a table with friends is my favorite thing in the world.

    • what’suppressive

      Sunday noon(ish) here, pissing rain. Which is good because I hardly ever catch the Saturday night crowd. It’s cooler than the other side of the pillow.

      • Juicer77

        Nice! 🙂

  • Sir_Real

    The cult is an absolute monarchy/dictatorship resided over by a tyrannical oligarch who is the poorest excuse for a leader of a tax exempt “religion” as there ever was. IRS are you listening?

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Thought this was funny from their own website;
    Some churches have a system of tithes. Others require members to pay for
    pew rentals, religious ceremonies and services. In the Church of
    Scientology, parishioners make donations for auditing or training they
    wish to receive. These contributions are the primary source of financial
    support for the Church and fund all Church-sponsored religious and
    social betterment activities. Scientologists are not required to tithe
    or make other donations.

    • Zer0

      “Scientologists are not required to tithe or make other donations.”

      At least they lead with a lie

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      YAY HI ! been worried about you man !

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Bad cold and clogged ear. Getting better now.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          well i am not glad you are sick,but i am glad you were sick and that’s why you haven’t been here,so glad you are better ! welcome back.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Thanks!

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            stupid dot com

        • Super Power Wogsy

          Everyone has been getting sick. Where ya’ll live at?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Mesopotamia, lots of people have colds that I know.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I mean in the Bunker. There have been a few people sick in the bunker. it is just kind of like weird some kind of internet virus or something.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I don’t know but I’ve been getting so much mail from my Wog friend’s since GC, has come out. My landlord sent me the link from the LA times on Ron Jr. being followed. It’s finally all over the media.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              yep. exciting times for sure!

            • The Dude

              HA HA ha ha!

            • The Dude

              Mesopotamia! You kill me!

    • MoX, Mother of Xenu

      Mmmmmm …. that’s one way to look at it.

      I prefer the “let people give what they want to give and its nobody else’s business what the amount is” approach.

      If the worst I do is make change in the offering plate … I can deal with the dirty looks.

      Although I do agree with the murmurs when I take an extra hits from the wine.

      • Juicer77

        Eh, take the extra hit. Jesus wanted the wedding at Cana to be a fun time…

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      well this must be my OT powers at work. I thought about you and made you appear, lol (talking about OT liars lies down thread)

      • Juicer77

        *bows to Donna’s OatTee powerz*

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          it was weird cuz i had just been typing about him being mia and there he was lol

    • The Dude

      I knew if we goaded you enough you would come around!
      Social betterment?
      What? Touch assists at disasters?
      LOL!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I got mine my first year of college next to the place they give out credit card applications. To get students in debt. It was invasive and creepy. Nothing was wrong with me so…

        • The Dude

          No ruin. No fresh meat.

    • L. C. Spencer

      “Pew rentals”? PEW RENTALS?

  • Peggy oh!

    Last night people posting were getting a little *ahem, squirrelly, and posting squirrel pics. For some reason It reminded me of the 16 squirrels that look like Radio Head thing.

    So without further ado: Eight Squrrells who look like L Ron Hubbard

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      the nipple rubbing Albino squirrel was great !

      • Peggy oh!

        It was! It was!

        How come nothing interesting like that happens to me?

        🙂

        • MaxSpaceman

          F5 | refresh

          • Peggy oh!

            🙂

    • worstcultever

      Gah, those totally debonair triangular shades, he kept em forever – musta thought they made him look like the total shiz.

      A big thing that always blows my mind – that this creature ever got a woman to sleep with him. Gives me sadz for the world, it does.

      • Peggy oh!

        That’s probably why he studied hypnosis…

        • No one will sleep with a penny-a-word pulp writer–if you want to get the women, start a religion!

    • Juicer77

      I love this SO MUCH.
      ETA: the one with the bad teeth will haunt my nightmares…

      • Peggy oh!

        And the squirrel’s pretty scary too! 🙂

        /I’m so sorry! It is really creepy!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I have to admit those glasses are pretty funky on the bottom left. Like to try some of those on.

      • You rock some funky cool eyewear yourself Mr. Tomorrow.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          My cop/welder sunglasses. He He!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        i have funkier glasses than that : )

    • Brilliant! My favorite thing I’ve seen all day.

      • Peggy oh!

        🙂

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      #7-8 alone are worth the price of admission. But all around great

      • Peggy oh!

        Thanks Jimmy Threetimes!

        You’ve given me internal injuries many times from laughing at your posts. Forget a new keyboard. I think I need a new spleen.

    • PickAnotherID

      Where’s Hammy??

      • Peggy oh!

        Hammy? I’m not sure who that is.

        • PickAnotherID

          ‘Hammy’ is the superhyper squirrel in the movie “Over the Hedge”. Also in the cartoon strip of the same name.

  • MCurie

    apologies if this has already been posted, but…Check out Mike Rinder’s Saturday edition of his Thursday Funnies. The 2nd image from a Canadian Org for the “Winning Event” is a blatant rip-off copy (in blue monochrome) of Bruce Jenner’s Wheaties box after his Olympic Decathalon win in ’76.
    I doubt they got permission from Jenner, Wheaties, the IOC, etc for the copy righted image.
    But on the bright side maybe it means CoS is finally embracing lgbt and is considering Jenner’s possible gender transition to be a “Winning Event”.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      yes i saw it. maybe one day they will get in trouble for that kind of thing.

    • Juicer77

      How to resolve “tiredness, exhaustion and hopelessness”? How about a decent night’s sleep, no one screaming at you and some Prozac if prescribed appropriately, you wankers?!? Ok maybe that’s the wine talking.

      • Peggy oh!

        And the money troubles one! Jesus Christ they have NO shame.

        • Juicer77

          They capitalize on need. It’s the ultimate core of how they lure people in. I’ve Red-X’d for a while now and it’s the same spiel over and over in these ads: money, relationships, communication, all the common problems that humans deal with. They know what buttons to push in order to make the money appear.

          • Peggy oh!

            But aren’t these flyers going mostly to scientologists? They make this look like normal financial advising help, when they’ve caused all the financial problems. Fuckers!

    • what’suppressive

      I’m far from an expert on American copyright law, but I do know of some sort of precedent in the matter. The multi million dollar skateboarding company, Dwindle Distribution better known as World Industries, used to rip off other much bigger companies all the time and use the graphics on their products. Jason Lee himself had Burger King graphics. But I think first you receive a Cease and Desist letter. If you don’t use it again, and comply. It’s dropped.
      But I repeat. I’m not an expert.

      • Peggy oh!

        Well it’s just so L. Ronic. They sue everyone else. Chase down indies for copyright infringement. And not even getting into L Rons blatently plagiarism- I’ve seen more of their graphic products are straight on stolen than are not.

        If bruce Jenner has a twitter account-someone who tweets might tweet him that and tell him his likeness is being used without consent or payment. That’s beyond the wheat is copyright…

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    SNL cold open once again proved that Kate McKinnon is a star. Off topic, but I know a few of you are watching.

    • worstcultever

      Thanks, will check it out

    • beauty for ashes

      Woo Taraji P looks hot! Thanks Jimmy 3x.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        She’s beautiful!

        • Super Power Wogsy

          I loved her on Person of Interest

        • beauty for ashes

          And super talented. When I saw Benjamin Buttons, I was like why isn’t this woman sooo famous?

          • The Dude

            That was a good movie. Mrs. Dude agrees!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Found this site which I don’t think has been updated since 2001 but there are some gems I’ve never heard of.

    http://www.scientology-lies.com/crimes/index.html

    • PappeKak

      I doubt the cult will survive the internet.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        That’s a bet I will take. I will bet you teh farm. My email address is 1subgenius@gmail.com.
        You can also contact me at 1subgenius on Disqus.

  • Super Power Wogsy

    Tweet Tweet! from Lawrence Wright. Yes we all want to know too! F5

  • Interesting that John mentions the Mujihadeen-e-Khalq (People’s Mujihadeen). They were originally a left-wing people’s army in Iran, first fighting the Shah and later the Islamic Republic dictatorship. But they turned into a suicide-bombing cult – and actually formed an alliance with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq – under the pressure of isolation and persecution. It’s important to remember that not all groups START as cults – some degenerate under pressure.

    • Juicer77

      I’m reading Lawrence Wright’s The Looming Tower right now. It’s amazing to see the philosophical journey from believer to advocate to martyr.

  • The Dude

    Ok.
    I love you all, and I am a free-thinker.
    My Wife asked me why I don’t think “The Bunker” is a cult in itself?
    ……..
    Uhhhh?….
    You don’t understand.
    “That is what cult people say.”
    Uhhhhh?
    Are we just a cult against $cio?
    Help me! I am in a paradox loop!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Super Power Wogsy

      oh man. i hope i’m not in a cult. AGAIN. Well tell her we are a group of people united in exposing the abuses of scientology, and this is a place where people read, exchange, and discuss topics related to scientology.

    • Juicer77

      We don’t believe in an infallible ruler (Tony knows we question him all the time and probably slaps his forehead accordingly), we each have our own lives and own interests outside here, we have vastly different viewpoints and agree to disagree many times. Think of it as an engrossing hobby instead!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        yes. people with clashing viewpoints technically cannot be in a cult.

        • Juicer77

          I DISAGREE. heh 😉

          • Super Power Wogsy

            Well, let’s happily agree to disagree and just drink on that : ) Screw it!

            • Juicer77

              Salud!

    • Charlieisaferalgod

      You are not being forced to trick out anyone’s motorcycle for .40 an hour?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Just tell her the Bunker is like sugar.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Because people are free to say what they think here. And if they receive a negative response, they’re free to leave without anyone following or stalking or demonizing them on any sort of internet posts.

    • Community. It’s a community. The closest I see is the rare flash of gushing Tony worship from time to time, but he does a good job of not encouraging that sort of behavior. It’s mostly gratitude and respect.

      Has anyone been abused?

      Has anyone been extorted?

      Do you have to pay to be here?

      Are there Sooper Seekrit levels that we don’t know about?

      I’d have to say the answere to those questions is “no.”

      Should we watch out for groupthink and mob mentality? Any community should keep an eye out for that.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        DONT YOU DARE FUCKING TALK ABOUT TONY THAT WAY

        Edit: I read the rest of the post and I realize that I was premature in my judgement. I am sorry.

        • Clutches framed photo of Tony and falls back on frilly canopy bed in tears.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Stop filming me.

            • Okay. The camera is in the left eye of that vintage Mrs. Beasley doll. Tony made me put it there. He made me!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, as long as it’s not in my framed photo of Tony, it can wait for tomorrow.

            • The Dude

              My Sister had a Mrs. Beasley doll. AWWWWWW!

          • Juicer77

            That is hilarious!

          • scottmercer

            Makes teary late night calls on Princess phone.

      • The Dude

        Funny that you say that because there can be a bit of group think every now and then. I have been guilty of it a few times. Thought more on it the next day and wished i had posted something else.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        well there was that one super secret level about cats that i finally got to.

        • Juicer77

    • what’suppressive

      It’s not a Cult dude, It’s a religion.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      I have an idea. Invite her over. I mean invite her to post here. Tell her we all want to say hi.

      • Peggy oh!

        You mean body route her?

        • The Dude

          That’s what she said when I asked her to come over here.
          “You want to recruit me? No!”

          • Super Power Wogsy

            …that rebel…

            • The Dude

              “So all your smiley-assed friends can try to sell me on it me? No!”

            • Super Power Wogsy

              …now that’s what i call a critical thinker. guess im leaving the bunker. peace out you culties!!!!!

            • The Dude

              But that is why I love Her. This undying loyalty to me. She is afraid for ME! That I may be taken advantaged by something.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              she’s a KEEPER dude!! I would do the exact opposite. lolol.

            • MCurie

              like this?

          • Juicer77

            And the fact that she can say no is great. And if you want to spend more time with her and less with us, that’s ok too.

    • cdub

      i don’t tell my wife. 2 years ago she says to me “is it finished yet?”
      hey this is a long process and it’s hard to explain to never-ins. so i stopped talking about our battle.

      • ThetaBara

        That’s mostly been my strategy. I don’t tell Mr Bara how to spend his free time and he extends me the same respect.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Does Tony or anyone of of else tell you exactly what to think or do we usually list links for you to do your own research?

      Is there a constant begging for money?

      Are we allowed to disagree with others in the Bunker , including Tony o?

      If you leave, will you be harassed or intimidated to rejoin?

      Have you ever been spied upon by the Bunker?

    • Peggy oh!

      Ok:

      John Atack talks about a study done on cults/The Boston Church of Christ. They studied 30 people from There, 30 people from a variety of religions, 30 people from scientology and maybe a few other known cults.

      They gave them all the same personality test(s)

      There are 16 different personality types that can be determined by the test.

      Boston a Church of a Christ members: all one personality type.

      scientology: all one personality type.

      The other cults: all one personality type.

      The other religions: the whole range of variety types.

      So a cult is able to actually change a person’s personality and mold it into the one I differentiated from the other members.

      See John Atack on the enough is enough video on YouTube. It’s about 1/3 or halfway in. It’s not a long video.

      So a cult isn’t just having the same opinion but having been altered into the one personality type of the cult.

      So here at the bunker, we may share some basic opinions, but we are definitely all kinds of different personalities from what I’ve seen so far…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Sez you.

        • Peggy oh!

          🙂

      • Billy Bob

        Altered or self selected?

        • Peggy oh!

          Altered. People are able to return the personality they had before. But of course with a lot of trauma.

          It really is mind rape IMO

          Now, the figures are always changing but if you go with the more conservative 1 in 7 people are sociopaths estimation, of course these cults do pick up some “naturals”

          🙁

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      well everyone is free to leave,we don’t have to pay any money,and there are lots of different opinions that cause discussions and arguments,but everyone stays friends.and most important everyone is free to believe what they want. sooo good luck. 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Seriously, though. For me its an intersection of all the things I find most fascinating: the law, true crime, religious belief, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, and more. Every day is a new chance to learn something.

    • The Dude

      I think that getting to watch GC, put her on edge.
      She is very afraid of me slipping down a rabbit-hole(I put that image into her head. Damn, I talk too much!),that I can’t get out of.
      She loves me.
      I know I am OK.
      But she has worries.
      We are very into THIS!

      • Peggy oh!

        Well, it’s been an intense week of news! Hard to leave the bunker!

        I think a lot of people like me took a break and got some shit done today!

      • Juicer77

        I get it. But if you have other interests and regularly do things outside the Bunker, I wouldn’t worry. If you find yourself obsessing a little too much, or she feels concerned, maybe limit your reading/commenting time. I’ve been doing that.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Yeah, see, here’s the deal. It’s not how much you’re into a thing, that makes it a cult.

        It’s what they do to you if you try to stop being into it.

        You are obsessed with a thing. That makes you a fan, or fanatic or what you wiill.

        On the other hand, if you quit reading the Bunker tonight, none of us will come after you and bang on your door and call you names, and Tony will not hire PIs to find out what you’re up to. And although the site has a “Donations” button, you will never be regged. There is absolutely no penalty for getting bored and going off to look at Buzzfeed listicles or poke people on Facebook instead. No one will slash your tires or harass you in the airport.

        Reassured?

        • Frodis73

          Oh, I’ll come hunt him down. 😀 Nobody is allowed to leave, ever.

        • The Dude

          Yes. But try to explain that to a worried Brazilian woman.

          • The Dude

            Who grew up in a cult.

            • Frodis73

              Aw shit. I totally forgot about that! I swear, I won’t really hunt you down! Promise.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Do we just repeat it all again… s l o w l y ?

          • Super Power Wogsy

            Gooooood Luck.

            I can hear her saying ???Que es esto pendejo????

            • The Dude

              Portuguese. é isto que eu idiota?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ooooh lol. still sounds beautiful though right??

            • The Dude

              How did your paper go last night, Wogsy?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              it went well thanks. turned it in on time. : )

            • The Dude

              Didn’t imbibe on the family margaritas?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              no they were already drinking beer thankfully. so we just had dinner talked and hung out for awhile. it was good.

            • The Dude

              You were “IN” once? You seem too independent for that.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              WoW. It’s funny how you picked up on that. : ) That is basically me which is why it didn’t work out. It was REALLY REALLY hard for me. i had a boyfriend who i left for scientology at the time. i don’t want to say he was controlling but he was in the army for 8 years, and he had his way of wanting things to go his way. With that and being a scientologist, it was tough on me. Eventually things blew up and well now I’m here. But to be honest ,it definitely was not going to work out in scientology for sure. There are days that I still cry about the relationship, but honestly even if i did leave like he wanted, i would still be bunkering and reading about scientology, and he would have hated me for that too anyways. it was a lose lose situation. He really detested everything and anything related to the church.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              IMO: Alls well ends well. everything worked out the way that it should have.

            • The Dude

              Yeah. I could tell. Not that far, But I have gift of how to know people. I like you wogs. You have escaped. Treasure that. Love on, and be loved. Time is all.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              WORD

            • The Dude
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well this is comical. Some of our less skillful critics come here and say the same thing.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        lolol

      • The Dude

        I am not a critic. My Wife had a point, 3D. If you don’t like it. Well Flush!…

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          As I said, it is comical.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Well if you leave we don’t track you down and kidnap you for starters. Most times if people leave we are glad to see the back of them 🙂
      We don’t have a guru or cult leader who is infallible.
      We don’t have a hole, we don’t scream abuse at each other and call each other homophobic slurs and we don’t punch and kick dissenters and it has been a while since we played a rip roaring game of Bohemian Rhapsody.
      Plus our OT Members get checks from big pharma and they are alot more than $50 a week.
      Oh and Jimmy often posts here with no pants on or so he says and there is no shaming on sex or nudity here unlike alot of cults.
      Just for starters.

  • Unex Skcus

    OT: “Meet Scientology’s lobbyist who works the halls of Congress for the church
    http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/This-man-is-the-Church-of-Scientology-s-4720541.php

    • what’suppressive

      Nick Xenophon would LOVE that guy.

  • PappeKak

    Dang.

    Looks like first the cult tells its ‘marks’ scientology is “not really a ‘religion'” then backs it up with L. Ron Hubbard’s own words:

    From “The Creation of Human Ability” by L. Ron Hubbard, 1953:

    “Scientology has opened the gates to a better World. It is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion. It is a body of knowledge which, when properly used, gives freedom and truth to the individual.”

    [NB: this passage has been redacted/removed from 1971 and later rewrites/editions of the book]

    Next, the cult tells its marks, it’s only for ‘tax purposes’ that they claim to be a religion. What’s that sticker on the emeter all about? It’s a ‘deal’ they made with the government.

    Are the stickers still on the emeters? Why?

    Then finally, in courts, under lawsuit the cult claims to be ‘a religion.’

    Of course, all along there is the ‘mere formality’ of the stacks of legal paperwork and disclaimers they had the marks sign. These documents are then used against the marks in courts of law. As well as anything the marks
    might say ‘in session’ while on camera and being recorded.

    It’s the best of all possible worlds for the cult of scientology. At least as long as the tax-exempt status holds.

    Enough.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      What does your hat say?

      • PappeKak

        Hat says: “Poppycock”

        • Super Power Wogsy

          …oh. As in poppycock the brand???? F5

          • PappeKak

            Nah. As in PappeKak, my name. It’s a softer version of poppycock. LOL

            • Super Power Wogsy

              …oh i see…ok. i had to look up poppy, and i get it now…carry on…

    • Scream Nevermore

      I hope the Garcias and their legal friend have copies of that first paragraph!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Just spotted this over on Rinder’s blog. Don’t know if anyone else has commented yet. If so, I will be happy to add:

    I. WANT. TO. SEE. IT!

    (refresh)

    • Peggy oh!

      Man another bait and switch. They don’t tell you that this Is Art:

      Refresh

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Oh, Peggy oh! You make me laugh.

    • what’suppressive

      I don’t know much about Art, but I know what I hate.

      Edit: Montgomery C Burns.

    • scottmercer

      I anticipate LULZ with LRoon speaking over footage of unicorns frolicking in meadows, in the mode of the old Deep Thoughts With Jack Handey videos from SNL.

  • PappeKak

    Does anybody know if the rumor that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church Of Scientology died with an ass-full of anti-psychotic medication Vistaril (hydroxyzine) is true or not?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      true but i gots no docs

      • PappeKak

        Does anyone know if the chairman of the board of RTC David Miscavige had any hand in the death of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology?

        • Super Power Wogsy

          eeeeer????

        • No evidence exists that would support that. Currently.

        • Juicer77

          An elderly man who had suffered at least one debilitating stroke. A young man who had the only viable communication channels to the old man. Young man was not in the vicinity. From everything I’ve read he pulled a Dear Old Dad and let the guy expire on his own. (Too soon?) Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, as much as I’d love to blame him for that, he wasn’t there when Hubbard died. I could totally see him doing it though that’s for sure. He is fucked up.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            i’m sure there is a reason that Dear Old Dad, pat Broeker were being spied on. There are a lot of bones still in the closet for sure.

            • Juicer77

              Could be. Nothing in the coroner’s report indicates foul play. No petechial hemorrhaging, no unexplained bruises or questionable medications. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the evidence indicates a death by natural causes. I should have been a forensic pathologist, I tell ya!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ooooooh forensic pathologist. sounds exciting.

            • Frodis73

              I know…I think I would totally love that job. Too bad my math skills suck.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I bet they finally killed Pat Broeker, by now.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              man i wish he would come out and tell all. that would be something !

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You sure do ask a lot of questions, Mr. Feder.

          • Mr. Richard Feder, of Fort Lee, New Jersey?

            • Frodis73

              I knew that name sounded familiar…had to google it. Lol.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Mt. St. Helens, Washington, actually.

            • Too bad. He used to write the best letters.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            how do you know his name is Mr Feder?

          • PappeKak

            Since I quit smoking, I have a lot of time on my hands. lol

    • Peggy oh!

      It’s in the coroners report. Should be online somewhere.

    • Juicer77

      Props to Andreas Heldal-Lund’s site http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Ahem.

      This is not a rumor.

      That is all.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Is it true that a dog’s mouth is cleaner than a humans?

  • Zana

    Have any attorneys weighed in yet about the Garcias? I’m curious to know what they think. !

    Also… I got Steve Hassan’ book on Cults (via Tony’s site on Kindle). It’s terrific. Really interesting and well researched. Like his style of writing.

    • Frodis73

      Texas Lawyer did earlier this morning…you might find it by sorting to oldest. There are soooo many comments though…overwhelming.

      • Zana

        Yes… it’s getting wild out here. I wake up and check in…check in during the day and then at night before I go to bed. I can’t believe that I’m doing this. I avoided the whole OJ Simpson trial because of the soap-opera that it was going to be. There was another one that I avoided that everyone watched. This one…I can’t take my eyes off of it. Maybe it’s because I was there. Whew. Glad I’m out.

    • Juicer77

      Sort comments by Best. TX Lawyer is near the top, as usual.

      • Frodis73

        D’oh! Much better option.

        • Juicer77

          I live to serve 😉

  • Frodis73

    So, I’m flipping channels and TMZ is on…it must be a weekend version because it’s an hour long. Does anybody know if they cover Miscavige and his PI’s?
    ETA-TMZ now includes comments from the website in some stories.

  • Juicer77

    I’ve graduated from tipsy typing at the kitchen table, to cross-legged commenting in bed, to lying down and typing with one hand. Going to sleep now. I swear. Really. Zzzzzzzzz

    • Super Power Wogsy

      lolol. night juicer : )

    • Frodis73

      Sounds like you are feeling fine though. G’night!

    • Zana

      LOL. I understand. I sleep with my iPad so that I can check in first thing in the morning. Then poke with one finger so as not to disturb the kitty cats.

      • Juicer77

        XD Nothin’ like a cat hat to keep your head warm!

        • Super Power Wogsy

          guuuuuurrlll. you still here?

          • Juicer77

            I know! It’s so late. Really going now. See y’all tomorrow!

  • Tipper

    So as new commenter, and humble one at that, why aren’t there more civil actions against cos?

    And are they so imperial they can’t be impenetrable? Surely FBI could infiltrate, right?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So. Many. Provocative questions.

      • Tipper

        Is that a bad thing.?

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          no but there are many ex’s here that have been abused and are still being fair gamed to this day.people are wary and don’t mean to be insulting,but many come here as trolls to cause trouble.most questions have long answers.its a very deep rabbit hole.

          • Tipper

            I can not comprehend the shear craziness of the abuse and I even wondered if my asking such poignant questions would illicit suspicions, but I’m no part in the bat shit crazy that is Scientology, and no offense to prior members, but I’ve always thought it was crazy, nuts and only coo coo for co co puffs would do Cos

            • Frodis73

              Yes, on the surface it can be easy to dismiss, but once you start really reading and understanding what is going on, it’s freaking horrifying. I’m assuming the recent press or movie brought you here…if so, you are only looking at the tip of a very large iceberg…it’s absolutely fascinating and sad…just all around offensive to any sense of decency.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              in the beginning i only said crazy once.then i felt guilty,you will learn these are great people that got slowly programmed,they really are trying to help the world.they really think they are helping mankind.thats why watching videos of the people that are out is important.like someone said go to youtube and watch Mark Bunkers video with Jason Beghe.also interviews with Paul Haggis, my favs too are Lawrence Woodcraft,and his daughters.If people really knew what Scientology was about,not many would join.but we have internet,back then they didn’t.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              and those will lead you to many more,also the old 80’s protests in Clearwater Florida.

      • Tipper

        Frankly I think a member who has left should strat a go fund me campaign to facilitate a class action lawsuit…power in numbers. Kentucky lawyers love class action in particular.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          you will learn that nothing is that simple with C of $

        • beauty for ashes

          You might want to check out Mark Bunker’s YouTube site for some good educational videos. Good luck with your search! Oh or his website XENU TV.

          • The Dude

            Great start. I started there and operation clambake.

    • PappeKak

      As also a fairly new commenter myself, I think it may have something to do with the Vistaril-ass-filled flounder of the Church of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard and his diminished side-kick, David Miscavige.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i am new,before i started commenting i watched hours of videos and read lots of articles. you can go to the search at the top,and type in a key word that you have a question about and there will be at least one story that Tony has done on that topic. good luck and welcome.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        months of research

        • Tipper

          Thanks will do, people like me I can imagine exasperated by people like me

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            hey i am new,but you will find its such a deep subject and things are intertwined its difficult to simply answer. you will be blown away constantly.there is a saying “i never thought it could get worse” and then you find it does.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              $cientology, it just gets worse!

            • BlondesAreDumb

              And more worst, until some day it will be most worst and hopefully the pain will be over for us all!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yes that’s it 🙂

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            and since you are new–if you have never been in–you are a wog–and when you start to speak out you will be a SP. you can look up those also—haha

            • The Dude

              You are now a Disseminating SP! Congratulations Donna! And here is Don Pardo to tell you what you have won!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              whoo hoo Thank you so much. I totally want to be declared—I wish I could get a official Golden Rod so I can see all the horrible things they would say ! LOL

            • The Dude

              No, no.
              Just a lifetime supply of No-Cult car wax.
              Yes! You too can have a car that is BT and SP resistant.
              (LRH Car Wax Inc.)

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              hahaha but we want lots of SP’s and really my car could use BT wax– ha

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW GROSS THAT WOULD REALLY BE !

            • The Dude

              LOL!

        • coonellie

          Hi Donna…did you see Todd Tomorrow above? He’s here so you can rest :).

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            oh yes thank you. there were a few of us worried about him,but we found him down thread.we are glad he is ok,he was sick.but back.

    • Juicer77

      Really up past my bedtime but here goes… Pardon if I make incorrect assumptions about where you’re coming from. In the United States freedom of religion is a protected right for all citizens. The Co$ has cleverly created a cloak of religiousness that prevents the courts and judiciary system from interfering in their activities. Also, the believers in the “church” would say they are voluntarily participating in these degrading, dehumanizing practices because it’s part of their faith, because they have been programmed to believe it, and have so much invested (money, family, etc.). If the believers say it’s their religious practice, it’s untouchable under US constitutional law. However, there have been cases such as the FLDS where the law has intervened when children are endangered or abused, etc. Why the Co$ continues to get away with these abuses, I don’t know. Perhaps because the US government is afraid of an entity with more money and lawyers on retainer than they have? Welcome, and please read as much as you can here and at other info sites. There’s a lot to learn.

      • Tipper

        Wow, I really have no real true understanding other than the real world. It’s than emotionally and legally presussavitve, but children abused by the Catholic Church were permitted to speak out ANd SUE. There really has to be a way for a collective group of dis members to class action..Kentucky lawyers love class action

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          go to the top of the blog, on the left hand side type in “class action” or “civil lawsuits”,and that can be your beginning. 🙂

    • what’suppressive

      Juicers OCB link downthread is really the best way to start. Go there, fall down a rabbit hole.
      If that reads rude, it honestly is not meant to.

    • The Dude

      I thought at one time that they should be under RICO statues. But there are Lawyers here too.
      They shot that one down.
      Much to be learned, my young Padwan.
      Much to be learned there is.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      you really need to watch “Going Clear” on HBO. It will help alot,

    • The Dude

      If you like to read I suggest “Counterfeit Dreams” by Jefferson Hawkins. THE best $cio Autobiography there is. Hands down. The best story(Non-Fiction) I have ever read.

  • Frodis73

    OT: Just signed into Netflix and they have top picks from Frank Underwood (House of Cards). The Master is his 3rd choice.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      you know i tried watching the Master….and i couldnt keep going. not my type of movie unfortunately.

      • Zana

        I didn’t like it either. I’m a screenwriter. I love movies. This one felt like they had taken the guts out of it…played around the outskirts of what they wanted to say. It was blah for me as well.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          yes…like i tried. i really tried.

        • Frodis73

          I did like it, but it is slow in places and it def wasn’t what I was hoping for that’s for sure.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Too turgid for me, that’s for sure.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          It was almost like they tried too hard to make it not about hubs. And who was Phoenix, supposed to be?

          • coonellie

            Donna Cline Sargent was asking after you today, worried that you weren’t around. Just an FYI. I think she may be offline by now, but I’ll tell her I saw you tonight.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks!

          • The Dude

            I felt the same way.

          • ThetaBara

            I think both characters were based on Hubs.
            And I liked it. It has its own perspective and arty lens, but it gets at a lot of the mind control at the same time.

      • scottmercer

        We need an actual multi season docudrama on the life of Hubbard. HBO? You listening?

        • Super Power Wogsy

          that would be great!

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i have tried watching it a couple times,i can’t get into it.

  • whingeybingey

    :popcorn:

  • BlondesAreDumb

    Anyone remember who is following and sometimes posting about the asbestos ship? Thanks.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i thought at one point it finally got impounded and had to get fixed,i really never heard the end of that story.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Maybe for some repairs but if it would be impounded this site would be laughing for months!

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          i thought it was like the early 2000’s,it got docked but i don’t know what happened.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            All those who have been on it say it’s an old dump. Not too long ago The Fort Horrorison ,was a complete dump too.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          well actually i am sure nothing happened and its still full of asbestos. sigh

    • BlondesAreDumb

      Thanks for info guys,…

    • ThetaBara

      They track it over on WWP.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        Hi Theta Bara :):):) Good to see You here 🙂

      • BlondesAreDumb

        Thanks, Theta. I appreciate the response. Happy Sunday!

  • PappeKak

    “MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.”
    – L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 9 March 1972

    “Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”
    – L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 4 January 1966

    • Todd Tomorrow

      You should learn from this.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxExUqdGa0Y

      • PappeKak

        Excellent. Thank you.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Your welcome.

      • The Dude

        WORD!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          There is another great one by these guys but I’m on posting restriction. But if you put in; scientology fraud no ots, in youtube’s search it should pop up. The church tried to claim this band sent them bomb threats. They were in Texas but the FBI found out the threats came from Florida. Their lawyers sent them tons of cease legal paper work threatening then when the false bomb threat didn’t work. They wrote a song about it called, “Ava Gram”, about the clam lawyer who went after them. It’s funny, too.(Ava Paquette, is a clam lawyer)

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Avagram

    • Frodis73

      Scary stuff huh? Imagine if they ruled the world like LRH wanted?

      • PappeKak

        Yes.

        Further on that topic:

        “….Scientology claims that its goal is a world without war, crime
        and insanity.[1] The mechanism by which Scientology plans to
        achieve this goal is by the process of “clearing” the planet[2],
        which will be explained in more detail below.

        “In late 1977, this author was introduced to Scientology and its
        utopian goal. On the surface, it sounded worthwhile. But every year,
        even with unimaginable pressure to achieve this goal, it never
        happened…..”

        Above, excerpted from the article at: http://www.xenu.net/archive/world_without/

    • scottmercer

      Good they’re not sure.

  • Super Power Wogsy

    I feel like I’m Bunker clubbing without the music and the drinks!!!!! You guys are poppin!

    • beauty for ashes

      I could go for some really good bourbon though…..

      • Super Power Wogsy

        man…i just need a drink!

        • The Dude

          I have a flask here somewhere……….

          • Super Power Wogsy

            thats okay i gotz my Giants shot glasses 🙂

  • Super Power Wogsy

    Totally O/T: You know that assignment i worked on at the very last minute last night? I got a friggin A!!!!!!!! Woot!!!!!! Woot!!!!!! Alright carry on….

    • Newiga

      Congratulations, Wogsy!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        thanks!i like couldn’t believe it lolol. I was expecting a B or sumthing, and i would have been happy with that.

        • Newiga

          They graded it pretty fast. I had to wait at least a week or so to get my assignments graded. Oh the suspense!!!

          • Super Power Wogsy

            yes. this was the fastest they graded an assignent. i was surprised but they use TA’s so. i hate TA’s but i love the one that graded my assignment today.

            • Newiga

              I remember the gitty feeling after receiving a good grade. *sigh* I miss the university. Ph.D sounds so tempting. LOL

            • Frodis73

              I do too. I’d give anything to have the cash to go finish. Seriously, anything.

            • Newiga

              Tuition sucks. We are fortunate in Finland to have a tuition-free university education (still).

            • Super Power Wogsy

              serious????

            • Newiga

              Yup but we have fairly though entry requirements and entrance exams. Our government even provides monthly subsidies for students. We are pretty lucky in terms of education over here.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              WoW that is amazing.

            • Newiga

              Tell me about it! I’m very grateful for this privilege.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              so is education provided for free for your masters program too?

            • Newiga

              Yes, it was free. I only paid for a student union membership fee which was 120€ (127$). The membership also provides certain benefits, e.g. student discounts.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              WoW i was born in the wrong country!!

            • Newiga

              We are a very small country (Only ~5.5 million people) with scarce natural resources, which has its downsides. So I’m happy that our government wants to invest in getting its people highly educated.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i see. oh my that is still awesome though.

            • Newiga

              I agree. Finland is a very beautiful country. You’d love the contrast between seasons. The winters are cold, dark and snowy but the summers are fairly hot, beautiful and full of sun. In fact, the sun doesn’t go down AT ALL for a few weeks during the summer.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              so daylight all day?

            • The Dude

              Arctic circle.
              How long is your summer?

            • Newiga

              It’s roughly 2-3 months.

            • Newiga

              Yup! There’s less light in the evening and early night but it’s never fully dark and 3 am -4 am the sun is shining again like there’s no tomorrow.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              wow. that is amazing!!

            • Frodis73

              I would love the all day sun…too bad I hate snow and cold. I do love the attitude of that area of the world though.

            • Newiga

              Yeah, the winters can be a drag as they are cold, dark and loooong. The snow is nice but only for so long. After February, I’m pretty much done with it. The darkness is the worst though. Can you imagine how bizarre it is to see sunshine after such a long period of darkness?

            • Frodis73

              The winters would kill me…I have a hard enough time in Ohio with them. I need lots of sunshine.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              …edited for accidental double post lol

            • Scream Nevermore

              When I was younger, our university education was also free in the UK. I went back as a mature student, and had to take out loans. As do all but the richest students now. However, if you don’t earn above a certain level, you don’t start paying back until you do. And if you reach your 50th birthday and still don’t earn enough money, they write the loans off – mine were wiped on my 50th birthday. Result!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              wow oh wow oh wow

            • Newiga

              Wooot!! Originally I wanted to do my master’s in the UK (More specifically Bath University) but decided to go to a Finnish uni instead due to its curriculum and the fact that my family lives Finland.

            • The Dude

              I have friends in Canada that say the same thing. Free University if you qualify. At least in Newfoundland. I am honorary Newfie.

            • Frodis73

              Wow, that is awesome. The US is totally assbackwards on education…and a million other things.

            • The Dude

              Billions on war.
              Ziltch to education..

            • Frodis73

              Exactly! I also hate this whole attitude about the “liberal elite” as if education is a bad thing or speaking multiple languages is a bad thing. WTF?

            • Scream Nevermore

              I still believe that the main reason the British (well, the English really) built an Empire was to make people speak English, because they are notoriously bad at languages! I studied 3, to various levels, and was regarded as a bit odd when I lived there.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              it sounds so cool to be over there instead of plain ol America, i wish i was in Scotland or Ireland .

            • Scream Nevermore

              Hope you like the cold, and rain, in that case! 😉

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh yes the Kodiak whether is compared to the Highlands.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Oh you’ll fit in fine then!

            • MaxSpaceman

              Me too.

            • Frodis73

              I keep saying I want to break up from America. Lol, we are just not getting along too well…for at least the past decade. I def need to see other counties.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Frodis that is why im getting my masters in ABA. The creds to become a BCBA is international, and it is work i can do in another country if i choose to do so. The UK is starting to sound good.

            • Frodis73

              That is really cool…def do that. That sounds so wonderful.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I-Betty could clue you in to all things uK 🙂

            • MaxSpaceman

              You won’t belive how different many EU and Scandanavian countries are. Better for middle class and lower income people. As in way, way better.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              what do you have your masters in?

            • Newiga

              In economics. I majored in high technology marketing. 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              holy shit. you are like smart and stuff.

            • Newiga

              I can be fairly smart if I try. 😉

            • The Dude

              Don’t sell yourself short wogsy!
              This is YOUR thread.
              You got the A!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              not selling myself short. i was just surprised that’s all.

            • The Dude

              Aww. I didn’t mean it like that…….
              I just wanted you to feel proud.
              I do.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              no i know what you meant : ). I forgot to add my happy face. thank you. i really apreciate the kind words.

    • Frodis73

      Awesome! I’m so happy for you!! {HUG}

      • Super Power Wogsy

        thanks!!!!! aaahhhh!!! like it was last minute! last minute! i tell ya. they were being very lenient this time around.

        • Frodis73

          Don’t sell yourself short! You kicked ass girl!!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Proud of you Wogsy!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        thanks!! aaahhh! it was cray cray. just happy the shit is done.

    • beauty for ashes

      I think we should have a Bunker newsletter just like scientology with all of our sooper power achievements. We should call it *Abilify* after the psych drug.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        that is a great idea AND cute!

        • beauty for ashes

          I saved a really dehydrated looking gecko trapped in my screened in porch today. I talked to him telling him how I just wanted to get him outside and I wouldn’t hurt him with the lacy pillow I was shooing him with. The world outside of the screen porch had way better opportunities for him, I said softly giving him positive energy. He made it out okay.
          True story. LOL!!!!

          • The Dude

            OT powers! OOOOOO!

            • beauty for ashes

              Toootally Dude! I was in comm with that gecko. I swear he looked back once he saw all the other geckos in the garden, and winked at me.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              lolol. i see what you did there.

            • beauty for ashes

              Okay I might have imagined that last part, but I really did rescue a gecko today. and it was beautiful.

            • The Dude

              Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.
              I remember,,The OT stories……
              Ha! Good one!

            • The Dude

              HA HA HA!
              Come on…..
              What have you got against geckos.
              I loved those little lizard dudes living in my house.
              I hate bugs.
              I like lizards.
              I grew up in New England. There was nothing like that here.
              It was awesome when I got to Florida and they are everywhere.

            • beauty for ashes

              You know me, I love animals, and am super sensitive. It did happen I’m just poking fun at myself for being so sensitive about it. I did talk to him!!!!

            • The Dude

              So why did you chase him with a pillow? Maybe he was eating the spider mites off your house plants!
              Live and let live.
              If it’s not bugs.
              I hate bugs.

            • beauty for ashes

              I didn’t chase him I slowly guided him like four feet out the door!!!!!!!!
              When my sister was here I pointed him out.
              She said, how do they get in here? More importantly how do they get out?
              And when I saw him today it looked like his skin was really saggy, like a suit too big for him. I really worried he was going to die because he wouldn’t know how to get out. There’s only one dying plant out there.
              This is silly, not going to discuss this anymore!

            • The Dude

              Sorry. No harm done. I just have a thing for lizards.
              Hate bugs.

            • Baby

              OMG….. We have so many lizards here.. I mean they scurry about..live behind the pictures..poop on the floor.. in the showers..

              I hear ya girlfriend..

          • Super Power Wogsy

            ahhhhhhhhh. that is too cute!!!

          • Frodis73

            You can send your “win” into that sci magazine.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Congratulations !

      • Super Power Wogsy

        thanks!!!! : )

    • The Dude

      Sweet!
      Hugs to ya, Girl!
      Now you can have a drink! Cheers!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        thanks! cheers!

        • The Dude

          It sounded like a tough one.
          But you seem to know your stuff.
          Kick-ass, Wogsy!

          • Super Power Wogsy

            thanks…speech therapy is not that difficult to understand.

        • Todd Tomorrow
          • Super Power Wogsy

            lolol

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            did you see AGP’s post when it was the live blog for GC ?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              No, I’ll go look.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              let me know after you read it.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I couldn’t find it,fell asleep. Link?

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i don’t know how to do links,anyway he had his feelings hurt cuz Tony didn’t ask him to comment like the other ppl in the article.said he wouldn’t post here again,my son’s cat just got me back up.he is a pain. ha

            • MoX, Mother of Xenu

              I don’t know how his story completely compares to the others but from what I can tell, he’s a never-in who pretty much gotten into all his troubles by pulling it in. Don’t mean to be dismissive (I watched his depo,video) it condescending, but I think the people Tony talked to were former members who had been victimized by the CoS in ways that underscore the question, “What Church does this to its own people?”

              Now if Gibney (or someone else) picks up the story of Anonymous and Chanology, then I can see AGP getting his mitre off-kilter.

              I feel bad his feelings were hurt.

            • dagobarbz

              I’d say that AGP’s contributions to Chanology were important. He was the guy who got the pix of security blades on both sides of the fence at Gold.

              Some of his videos are part of Chanology history. And some of them are cringeworthy and annoying, like when he approaches this geezer Scilon tottering between the cobblestones on L. Ron Hubbard Way.

              He will def. not be ignored when Chanology’s story is told, if it ever is. A ‘history of Scientology criticism’ would extend the interest to pre-chanology protesting. We had some stuff happen. It was interesting.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              you need lots of rest anyway.ear infections are awful.i get them too.

          • beauty for ashes

            Wilford Brimley went there?

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              when i was a girl in Florida,we had friends named Brimley.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Florida and California seem interconnected in alot of ways,

    • Scream Nevermore

      You swot! Well done! 🙂

    • Elegant Mess

      Amen, girl! It feels great when your hard work pays off. Congrats!

    • WildaBeast

      Congrats! I know the feeling – and it’s a good one 🙂

  • Dave Reams

    Even Hubbard hisself had trouble getting through to the Garcias due to the incompetence, some would say supressivness, of the CMO:

    “My heart goes out to the man who does his work when the “boss” is away, as well as when he is at home. And the man who, when given a letter for Garcia, quietly take the missive, without asking any idiotic questions, and with no lurking intention of chucking it into the nearest sewer, or of doing aught else but deliver it, never gets “laid off,” nor has to go on a strike for higher wages. Civilization is one long anxious search for just such individuals. Anything such a man asks shall be granted; his kind is so rare that no employer can afford to let him go. He is wanted in every city, town and village- in every office, shop, store and factory. The world cries out for such: he is needed, & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia.”
    – El Hubbard

  • PappeKak

    This contest is over five years old. Maybe there should be a bunker contest?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggamDYxtGYI

    • The Dude

      SNL?

    • dagobarbz

      Hmmm. Presumably vaseline, pubic hair and toenail clippings are optional here?

  • Frodis73

    This is totally OT, but I just saw this story…I’m horrified. I get that caring for somebody with special needs is super difficult, but seriously?? This breaks my heart.
    http://news.yahoo.com/woman-left-quadriplegic-son-woods-philadelphia-police-005040630.html

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i know i read that story too,it is horrifying,she could give him up to states custody,but there is so much help out there now,there is no excuse.i hope she gets a good prison sentence.

      • Frodis73

        Yes, no excuse. Poor guy.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          yes how terrified and hopeless he must have felt.

          • Frodis73

            OMG, right? I can’t stand the thought of that.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              me either, thank God he is ok now/

  • beauty for ashes

    Hi Dodo!

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Hi Dodo!

  • indie8million

    Important quote from Alex Gibney’s article. “There is also an important Supreme Court ruling that addresses the
    religious issue. In 1983, the court upheld a decision revoking the
    charitable status of a religious college, Bob Jones University, because
    it forbade interracial dating. The court stated in Bob Jones University
    vs. the United States that the “government has a fundamental, overriding
    interest in eradicating racial discrimination in education … which
    substantially outweighs whatever burden denial of tax benefits places on
    [the university’s] exercise of their religious beliefs.””

    I’m not trying to downplay racial discrimination. What I am trying to say is that if Bob Jones University lost their tax exempt status by this ONE COUNT, WHAT is taking the government so freaking long to take away Miscavige’s tax exempt status!!??

    It should be a hand’s down, open and shut case. There is enough evidence, from the 4 corners of the world, that he and his flying monkeys around the globe, are guilty of hundreds of counts of violations that are just as heinous.

    Many here are ex-Scientologists, others concerned never-ins. I was in Scientology for nearly 40 years and I still feel that certain technologies – communication course, etc. – can do the world a lot of good and help a lot of people. No one has the right to tell me what or what not to believe.

    Because of that, I am pissed off at where Miscavige has taken this group of well intentioned individuals, by diverting their cash and changing the technology, but more importantly, how he has made the word Scientology a laughing stock.

    HE is the laughing stock of Scientology. When you get down to the people, they really do want to help others.

    Take the tax-exempt status away from him and freeze the funds in the corporate accounts here and around the world until he goes to jail. Leave the local churches to their own. Miscavige doesn’t help them anyway.

    • Frodis73

      Write your congressman/woman. Hopefully all this bad press is helping things. What we really need is somebody to blow with some serious dox to help prove some of this stuff. Miscavige and his PI’s on his dad is an excellent start and it’s documented…we need more. You hear that OSA? Now is the time unless you want to be in prison with the wee one too. He’s going to throw you under the bus so fast your head will spin.

      • indie8million

        I agree completely, Frodis. NOW is the time to just hammer on this one point and keep people focused on this ONE thing. Investigating Miscavige as the COB of Scientology and the abuses he’s guilty of, to result in revoking his tax-free status. One message, over and over will get their attention and get something done about it.

        After all, who in Washington doesn’t want more tax money to play with?

        • The Dude

          Preach on Brother!!
          And what can one Humble Dude do to help?

          • dagobarbz

            Abide and spread the word.

      • indie8million

        …and YES! Those of you in OSA with a conscious, this is your moment to blow that pop stand and take some serious docs with you. You know I’m talking about you, dear OSA friend. Yes, you. Take the docs, walk out the door, hail a cab (don’t order it before) or your car and drive away. Take lots of cash so you can’t be traced. You know how you do it. 🙂 Get a Katie Holmes, disposable cell phone that can’t be GPS traced. You know how to get away. Do it. Now. Don’t wait because you could be in the hole next. Good call, Frodis.

    • Mockingbird

      This is EXTREMELY relevant as Scientology DEMANDS discrimination against the religious minority group – Suppressive Persons – a group CREATED by Scientology !!!!
      Gerry Armstrong clearly lays out the case for this at his brilliant SPD Defense League website !!! http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/tag/gerry-armstrong

  • First Last

    Wrong name but very good …
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phkx8f_Dy5I

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i was surprised on how knowledgeable Jamie is on Scientology.

  • PappeKak

    This is what scientologists actually believe. This is so-called ‘scripture’ of the Church Of Scietntology. In his own words, L. Ron Hubbard reveals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyemWoc7Cuc

    • ComeToPresentTime

      The Supreme ROOLAH

    • Mark Foster

      Unless you have paid your way üp the bridge¨ in Scientology, you will know nothing about this.
      The ¨OT levels¨ are expensive and you have to do a bunch of sec checks before you can then
      be ¨invited¨(i.e. APPROVED) to do the OT levels. So, no, most ¨rank-and-file¨ scientologists don´t
      even know about this stuff, much less believe it.

      • dagobarbz

        Yeah, to the lower level people who come out during protests to take our pictures, you might as well be speaking Navajo as talking about Xenu. The majority will never reach OTIII to find out, and 100% of them won’t believe you anyway.

        The most effective tactics were signs challenging, but not dissing, Scientology practices. YOUR DOUBTS ARE VALID was a good one. They all have doubts they are unable to share with others, as per policy. The best signs were the thought provoking, but of course everyone loved SCIENTOLOGY KILLED KENNY. People drove by and yelled THOSE BASTARDS!

      • Mockingbird

        Thank you !! The comedians and very poorly informed press who report on Xenu and BTs are reporting hidden secret doctrine only 5 – 10% of Scientologists EVER see !! So their reports are are 90 – 95% inaccurate when they say ALL Scientologists believe this ! Not exactly perfect journalism !!!

  • The Dude

    I was just watching Marty on ViceTV. I love those guys. If anyone has a chance watch their docus on Pakistan,Nigeria,North Korea and Belfast. Very good stories.
    Very brave Reporters.

  • over half a million views on imgur in just 11 hours… scientology is obviously in dire straits

    pic

    http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/329iqw/my_previous_tenant_just_up_and_disappeared_4/

    • Super Power Wogsy

      That is awesome. slightly o/t comment: I could never jump on the reddit bandwagon. i had a friend who tried to get me on it. and i can’t. i get lost over there for some reason. i guess it takes some getting used to.

    • PappeKak

      Is that insanity or just Scientology?

      • Super Power Wogsy

        He straight up bounced!! lolol. No it is just Scientology. That is actually pretty normal. You should see the text messages i used to get when i took breaks from my course schedule.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Lush, I read the article that Lurie refers to here. It seems that TC has been a narcissistic jerk for long time now – 20 years. (refresh)
      https://twitter.com/RodLurie/status/587058721479458816

      • excellent find…. I remember reading about the Clearsound story but the wider context is new to me

    • Newiga

      The effort that went into writing that letter amazes me. -_-

      • Each staff member has a weekly letters out quota. It’s around 25 letters a week, sometimes more.

        • Newiga

          I feel bad for them for having to write letters to people who’ve been “out of comm” for years or even decades. Must be a very ungrateful task. 🙁

  • PappeKak

    LOL! what a scum-bag, that L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church Of Scientology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4HI3KYlFag

    • The Dude

      Good… Good.
      You have opened your own rabbit hole!
      Each terror awaits another.
      Truth after truth.
      The lies.
      Deceptions.
      He was a charlatan of charlatans!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Scientology: A Criminal Enterprise
    “After watching “Going Clear,” an HBO documentary on Scientology, I am now convinced that their “religion” is not a cult, as I had thought for many years, but actually it is an organized crime operation.

    It is a “religion” founded by a huckster (L. Ron Hubbard) and is currently run by a despot (David Miscavige)…” http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2015/04/11/opinion/doc5527dcaef0466439302534.txt?viewmode=fullstory

    • what’suppressive

      Hey Rus, how’s my favourite sabre toothed seal?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Just trying to keep up with all the exciting CO$ happenings! And of coarse, trying to avoid falling out of flying saucers 😉

  • Pierrot

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    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,
    Yesterday’s removals: Welcome back Tampa, Tampa is leading Toronto, what happened to Cal?

    Write a personal letter to your congressman.
    Revoke co$ tax exempt status with Chris Shelton & Alex Gibney : https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status
    If you have evidence of co$ malfeasance see J Swift Money Project: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/

    Check the New / Revised / improved RedX tips : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2525027
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    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    F5… Anti-brainwash enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15279311371/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Mockingbird

      Great image and description !!!

  • Jeb Burton

    So it might be the work that DM had done to impress Cruise that brings the cult down. Not all the criminal acts, but the remodeling of his hangar.

    • Funny how it works sometimes.

      • Jay Wood

        They got Capone on tax evasion.

  • First Last
    • BlondesAreDumb

      Good find, thanks.

      • Baby

        Hi blondes….I always love seeing your avi…. xo love baby

  • Asillem4

    The abuse and neglect of children by the organization needs to be looked at by the federal government and / or Interpol. Scientology seems to be organized crime and should be treated as a global threat.

    • dagobarbz

      Yes. The FBI halting investigation into them AFTER OPERATION SNOW WHITE is a huge disappointment.

      The biggest domestic espionage case in American history, and they bobbled it. A guy who used to drive The Apollo told me there’s a boat in LA harbor, loaded with dox wrapped in waterproofing, ready to bolt at a moment’s notice.

      Those were the dox the FBI missed in the raids.

  • I am

    I recall the meeting in 82, but we left in 80 when they tried to strong arm us into giving up the franchise.

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding Steven Hassan and his truly excellent work I read Freedom of Mind as one of the first twenty books I read on cults when I left the Scientology cult after 25 years in . I now recommend it as the first book people leaving any cult read to understand what a cult is and does . For Scientologists I also recommend Jon Atack’s Piece of Blue Sky to learn the truth about Ron Hubbard and Scientology .

    I have found Steve Hassan to have a great combination of expert authoritative academic knowledge and the vital skill of sharing it in a way that is easily accessible and understandable to ex cult members .
    I am looking forward to reading Combatting Cult Mind Control .

    Regarding the themes Jon Atack – who has helped me on a personal basis to a degree which I cannot easily express – and Steve Hassan write on involving cults and Scientology in particular I have written extensively at my blog and will here include a few posts with brief descriptions for those who are interested .

    Regarding certain aspects of the cult methodology involving thought reform via hypnosis I may now have written the most of any one person .