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DRONE FLYOVER: Scientology’s secret saucer-looking underground vault in Northern California

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It’s Wednesday, and that means we have more breathtaking footage from an anonymous drone pilot who has flown over some of Scientology’s most hidden locations.

Four weeks ago, he gave us a view of Scientology’s secretive international management base (“Int Base”) that we’d never seen before. Three weeks ago he flew us over the even more secret “CST” headquarters compound in the mountains above Los Angeles, where we believe Scientology leader David Miscavige stashed away his wife Shelly eleven years ago. Two weeks ago we got an unprecedented look at the ranch in San Luis Obispo County where Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986. And last week, he took us over Scientology’s vault location in the Sierra foothills of California, the Lady Washington Mine.

This week, we’re getting a look at another secretive “CST” underground vault site owned by the church, one which is located in California’s far northern coast, near the town of Petrolia.

Like other sites, this Church of Spiritual Technology location has an underground vault that is intended to house the preserved works of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard to last thousands of years. The entrance to this vault is housed in a really remarkable structure that looks almost as if the Millennium Falcon spaceship has landed on earth. Our pilot got some really amazing looks at it for us in his first flyover.

The property also features elaborate living quarters, one of which is set aside for the return of Hubbard. But in this case, the vault is separated by quite a distance from the “LRH House.” In order to film both locations, the drone pilot filmed them separately. In the first video, he got dramatically close up shots of the structure around the vault opening. The other three videos focus on the other end of the site, which has a large building that resembles a conference meeting center, and the LRH House.

Here’s a satellite image of the entire site, which lies along a private road off of Old Mattole Road, northwest of Petrolia itself.

 
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Once again, make sure you go full screen as you watch these videos to soak up the incredible detail captured by the 4K camera on the DJI Phantom 4 drone.

 

 
In the late 1980s, when this vault was being put in place, one of the few CST workers to witness it was Dylan Gill. He says that earthquake fault lines were a concern, and after the Petrolia site was obtained, there was some question whether a vault would be put in there at all.

“We were waiting to find a better location. Then we got the Lady Washington Mine. And the question was, do we still build at Petrolia? But then finally it went ahead, and I got to go out there,” he tells us.

Gill says that if CST itself was a secret from most Scientologists, the outer sites, like at Petrolia and Lady Washington, were really remote from the rest of the world of Scientology. “I didn’t even know they were part of our org until I went out there,” he says. Some workers could spend years and years at the remote locations, never interacting with the rest of the church — or with the rest of the world, for that matter.

Like us, he noted the presence of building material around the spaceship-looking vault building, but he doesn’t know what the construction might be about.

At the other end of the property, the LRH House and the berthing building share space with some outbuildings and an antenna.

 
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[The LRH House, and behind it, the building that looks like a conference center.]

This is another elaborate house that has been outfitted to the square inch, for the use of L. Ron Hubbard to grow up and then take over Scientology once he returns. (He died in 1986.) And just down the hill from it, the road bisects a huge CST symbol that has been carved into the ground, but is not showing up very well these days.

 
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When we first interviewed Dylan for a 2011 Village Voice piece, he told us the symbols were meant to guide L. Ron Hubbard’s spirit back to the place where he’d get to live at the LRH House as he prepared to take the reins of Scientology again. But today, Dylan says the symbol has another purpose — to guide people to Hubbard’s archives after a civilization collapse.

Either way, it’s a pretty funny use of a tax-exempt organization’s property.

Your church dollars at work.

 
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Paulette_Cooper‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ audiobook now on sale

Audible.com has released the audiobook version of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper and you can get the book for free if you’re signing up at Audible for the first time!

Read by the author (that’s us), the book tells the incredible tale of a journalist who was among the first to expose Scientology’s controversies, and nearly paid for it with her life. Go to Audible’s website for more details — [US version] [UK version]

To support the Audible launch, Paulette Cooper joined us for an “Ask Me Anything” session at Reddit on September 29, which covered a lot of topics about the book and about this website.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on October 5, 2016 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Interested2

    Marty. Cannot seem to find anything to say but denigrate, call us trolls etc. Shame on him. He turns everything on its head. What is white becomes black. Does he really believe that people cannot see through what he writes.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Why does anyone care what Mark Rathbun thinks?

      • Well, I think “care” is too strong a word. “Concern” works better for me.

        I feel that it is too bad if Mark Rathbun loses his marbles because it casts doubt on the information we relied on him for before. Unfortunately he is the primary source (or one of the primary sources) for many an article, report and documentary about Miscavige. If he takes it all back or just acts really whackadoodle now — it hurts that reporting a little — I think. Kinda like the situation with Arnie Lerma being kooky.

        • Observer

          I think that may be at least part of the idea.

          • Right. I mean it isn’t much but it’s really the only thing they have. Fin.

          • It’s actually pretty pathetic and beneath the impression of Marty’s character that I had — to see him sacrifice his integrity (again) for his abuser Miscavige.

            • flyonthewall

              you think good. You make the good words

            • It’s what I honestly believe is happening. The oddest part is that Rathbun can never undo all the damage he has caused Miscavige by shining a light on his actions and abusiveness — so it is weird that he is trying to and that Miscavige is letting him try. DM’s rep cannot be salvaged.

            • flyonthewall

              They’re both crazier than a bag of cats, they deserve each other

            • Observer

              Especially now that he has a family.

        • Captain MustSavage

          Hmmm, interesting point. He’s taken the BBC stuff back a little bit because I think he thinks the doco makes him look bad. He hasn’t taken any of the other stuff back as far as I’m aware. My point really is to encourage people to not be so bothered by Marty’s views. They’re just his views. We don’t need to be riled up by them.

        • flyonthewall

          mmm rabies flavored popcorn

        • Captain MustSavage

          Exactly

    • Scream Nevermore

      Ah, Marty – a walking shadow, a poor player
      That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
      And then is heard no more: it is a tale
      Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
      Signifying nothing.

  • itsIBBy

    Drone flyovers are my absolute favorite.

    This couldnt have come at a better time. My gram is in hospital and its not looking good, so a little bunker break goes a long way.

    • chukicita

      I am sorry for your situation, and send you a hug. I am finding an odd peace and comfort in putting on headphones and watching drone vids today, too, as we wait to hear from loved ones who have felt the wrath of a hurricane, and prepare to feel it some more.

      • itsIBBy

        Thank you, I’m following your lead on the videos. Very soothing and time consuming

        • Sherbet

          Beaming some positive thoughts for your gram and for you. If they do nothing else, at least you’ll know people in the Bunker are thinking about you.

    • Kim O’Brien

      hugs and good thoughts your way

    • flyonthewall
  • trefology

    I was briefly caught in the magnetic tractor beam from the first video.

    • flyonthewall

      u got some poop on your forehead

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Did LRH have all of these residences and offices all over the place when he was alive or did these get built after he died?

    And I can imagine a Rosemary’s Baby type vigil before Suri was born. A lot of clams must have believed that LRH would come back as Tom Cruise’s first biological kid, right? I mean besides growing up with the fame and riches that LRH craved last time around, how could he not come back with one of the great thetans, TC, as his new dad? No wonder Katie hightailed it outta there.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I’ve come to appreciate classical music more by watching today’s drone footage. The Peer Gynt suite is beautiful:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKlX2NgM3Ro

    • Bo

      Hi LR. You just gave me an opening to show off. I can’t remember all the accompaniments to the earlier drone videos and it’s possible the Peer Gynt Suite was used. For today’s flyovers, the music to the first one is the William Tell Overture by Rossini. The ending became popular as the theme song to The Lone Ranger and is often the only part of this beautiful piece that is played. I love that the entire overture was played here. The second one is Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by Franz Liszt. I couldn’t identify the third one as it was playing very softly. The fourth one is from the Valkyrie Symphony by Wagner. I would like to say that I am so smart that I recognized all of them. But I’m just a fake. As I mentioned earlier, I used Shazam. I love the pairing of these videos with all this music. I can only imagine what Hubbard or Miscavige would have put with it. (Shudder)!

      • Lousy Ratatouille

        Thank you!

  • Stephanie Loving

    Off Topic. Laura Prepon is engaged to be married. Is her betrothed, Ben Foster, a Scientologist also?
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/oitnbs-laura-prepon-engaged-ben-8986171

    • Username

      He was engaged to robin wright last year. I don’t wish her ill will… per say…as I think she is a brainwashed drone, but I don’t think it will last more than a year if they even get married. Seems like a lot of baggage on both ends.

  • Jimmy3

    Soppit. You soppit right now.

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Okiesmonkey sleepy anyway 🙂

  • Mymy88

    –OFF TOPIC–

    These drone videos posted today are so gorgeous (the geography). The music is nice too. You can take a trip and never leave the farm watching these videos!

    I was amazed when recently YouTube, prompted this drone real estate ad video (below) for me when I was doing a Google maps search in an area where I once lived. I lived in a small home across the street from the home for sale. The prettiest part of the video is the first few seconds when you see the horses running away from the drone lol. The rest is boring, don’t bother.

    A little history – the home was built in 1900. It was once a huge old rickety crickety extremely run down old homestead farmhouse and now it has been completely renovated.

    ETA: It even has a cavern opening under the group of trees on the front part of the property. It was a very cool place to explore for us kids.

    EDIT: for clarification.

  • wooha! drone flyover – 189,841 views… that’s a lot
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D13a32HSHA

  • beauty for ashes

    Oh Lawd. Bunkerites pray for my sanity, must evacuate, morphined up bossy wife to narcissictic baby husband with disabled cranky daughter west across Florida to fit into brothers house. Going tomorrow.

    Can ASC work on postulating the hurricane east out to sea? Like we just imagine an army of giants on the sea shore blowing the storm and dissipating out over the sea?. 🙂 I like this idea:)

    • Observer

      Postulating! And if it doesn’t work, be safe.

  • Somone is having fun on this channel
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJWsyfjPI0

  • mikecrosby

    Off topic. Sorry, but this seems about the only place to talk about this.

    I’m reading Steve Cannane’s “Fair Game”. First, wow, what a book.

    Second and here’s the reason for my comment:

    I read the chapter about James Packer, son of the most wealthy man in Australia. It was about the luring him into Scientology and keeping him in CoS. Tom Cruise, Mark Rathbun, planted moles, using James Packer to get Rupert Murdoch’s son, all stops removed to get this guy in.

    The chapter about James Packer is filled with drama and interest. But of the whole chapter, what saddened me most was the story of Eric Klitsch. Not to go into it, but he was in the RPF for over 12 years. For one year he was made to run in bare feet on a road. To this day, he cannot wear shoes.

    After the author Steve interviewed Eric for the story, he thought the least he should do is take him out to a pub and buy him a few beers. Eric texted to Steve later: “Thanks for everything Steve. That was the first time I’ve been in a pub in 43 years”.

    So what gets me about CoS, are the stories of the little guy. I’ve read Jenna Miscavige’s book and it was so dark, often I had to put it down. And she was the niece of Dave M. It’s just so heart breaking the suffering that many endure year after year. And even when many do find their freedom, they will suffer the rest of their days.

    • Mymy88

      You’re new here aren’t you? I know by now you’ve probably heard the slogan, “scientology, it’s worse than you think”. Well it’s true and the stories that come out of this sinister cult never get better, only worse and they are never ending.

      Are you sure you want to continue down this rabbit hole? But anyway, welcome to the Underground Bunker. I enjoy your posts.

      • mikecrosby

        True Mymy. In fact in my last or so comments, I used the words “rabbit hole”. Rabbit hole indeed. I remember first coming here after watching “Going Clear”, and thinking, who is this guy Miscavige. And thinking I won’t even bother on trying to figure out how to spell his name, whoever he is.

        • Frodis73

          When I would read cult stories back in the day, I would skip over all the many acronyms. They drove me nuts…but in order to understand the whole thing more I had to learn at least some of them. I am shocked at how many I know now…if I see them elsewhere my first thought is that it is sci related. They have permeated by brain!! Ugh.

          • mikecrosby

            Frodis, what gets me is hearing Scientology slang in normal talk. Like “win”. Win has always been a verb, not a noun. There’s another one I hear but I can’t think of it now.

            • Ella Raitch

              There’s a lot MIke. What’s scary is when you are talking to other people and a Scientology term you’ve read about pops into mind as the best term to describe what you are talking about (in a discussion that has nothing to do with Scientology). I also can’t remember the words I am thinking about as I type, but it has happened.

            • Missionary Kid

              Imagine how hard it is to change their vocabulary for someone who’s been in for decades.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              That has happened to me more times than I care to admit.

        • Mymy88

          I was so shocked when I first started learning about scientology from reading things on the internet and watching YouTube videos. I had nightmares. I would tell people about what a horrible organization Scientology was and they just didn’t get it.So when the books and documentaries and magazine articles started coming out I loved rubbing it in their faces! I sure did! I want to do more!

    • Frodis73

      That is just heartbreaking…all this in the name of LRH. So sickening. I cannot wait to read this damn book.

      • Bo

        Yes yes yes. Read the damn book! (Sorry. I’ll go to my room now).

    • Sunny

      Yes, agreed!
      My concern for the last few weeks with the bickering with exes on various boards is that there are people out there who have been through years in Scn and need support, and with this bickering, may feel they have no place here (here: the internet in general, not specifically the Bunker). I know. I have been there myself, many times.
      Sadly, I can count five children I grew up with who took their own lives. Not to be Debbie Downer, but it is a real concern for me because there does not seem to be a place where exes can talk (not me, lurkers, newly out) and I feel like just leaving my phone number for anyone to call me if they feel they need to talk. I am no therapist, but I would be happy to listen, and lend a hand to anyone who needs it, to make the transition out of the Sea Org into the world. Some have a very, very hard time with it.
      Please Bunkerites (Bunkeroos) keep in mind there could be lurkers who need a hand, or an ear….

      • dungeon master

        I’m wondering if (866)XSEAORG is still active.

      • Scream Nevermore

        That’s why we used to post this on a regular basis (tho haven’t done for a while): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f8960fd43f8f1214dec151b893b313644e03c0c016646bc231e993180b9022d.jpg

        • Sunny

          I have never seen that. What is it?

          • Scream Nevermore

            Chuck Beatty’s helpline for people trying to blow.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Nobody ever answers it. I called several times to donate household items when I relocated a few years ago. Chuck said it is usually parent’s who ring up about their children who’ve joined the Sea Arghh. He tells them not to worry most quit and leave.

      • Ella Raitch

        Great point Sunny. Emma’s natterblog.com serves a useful purpose of keeping the shit off ESMB

      • OOkpik

        <3

    • Bo

      I was blown away by that book. I had to stop reading at the end of that chapter you mentioned because I was sobbing. I just want to know that he is okay. The next day, I read until I finished the book. I have to wonder how many stories like this go untold because people are poverty stricken, homeless, dead, or just scared. Maybe, like him, some are just waiting to be asked.

    • The rich people get the media spotlight for good reasons (their money and high profile gives them influence) and bad reasons (following their lives sells advertising to people who are obsessed with rich fools).

      I think this book got the balance right. It followed Packer because his money and influence could have significantly advanced the cause of Scientology. However, the author opened with stories about the ‘poor bloody infantry’ and wasted life that the mass media aren’t typically worried about because there’s no money in it.

  • nottrue
  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Why is there discussion about that guy who claims he’s moving things upward when all he does is scream to his sycophants “PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE!!”? Any discussion about his blog, and about what he thinks etc., etc., etc., is so f***ing boring, I wish all such discussion would just stop. He is doing nothing to help the human race, he is trying desperately for some wacko reason known only to himself to shut down criticism of Miscavige and scientology. Yawn, soooo boring……

    • Mymy88

      Your problem is you don’t have the rubbernecking gene. I do! But I hear ya. It’s the same ole, same ole ridiculous BS day after day over there. But God almighty, it’s so ridiculous sometimes, it’s amazing.

      Sometimes. I. Just. Can’t. Stop. Myself.

      • Frodis73

        Me either…I go a few days and then curiosity gets the better of me. It IS boring though as he is totally predictable…at least until (if?) the other shoe drops. His commenters are fun though, if not totally LOONY-well some of them are. I am still waiting for all this proof of all our evil deeds they keep accusing us of. (snicker)

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Mymy88, I get it, but there is such an overwhelming lack of intellectual depth coming from that direction, it has become a yawn fest.

        • Mymy88

          I can’t argue with that, yet I go.. can’t stop.. help help me… KKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAHHHHNNNNNN!!!!!

          EDIT: for clarification.

        • kemist

          It is fascinating nonetheless in its own way.

          Not what he says, but what it shows about him, his current position and his mental state.

      • kemist

        Trainwrecks. We know they never end well.

        We’re not proud to admit it, but damn we can’t stop watching.

    • Ella Raitch

      Tony started it!!!!!!!

      • Missionary Kid

        In Marty Mark’s mind, Tony started it.

        • Ella Raitch

          I mean Tony made a comment about Marty’s latest blog post today. Whatever disagreement is going on in Marty’s mind started in his mind.

  • Vaquera

    ¡Hola, Bunker peeps! It’s leaf peeping season in New England and my guest room’s revolving door is in full swing (ba dum dum).

    Finally took a quick chance this evening to scan some of today’s comments. Whew! Makes me want to grab Miss Lovely and hike up the nearest fire tower. (f5) I’ll be back in full UB comment form in a week or so. xoxo

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a1f89d6ff7301d7d4dd86d3188f5adfee670f100aa28bb9ad66dfe71fa343148.jpg

    • Frodis73

      Wow, that is absolutely beautiful I must say.

      • FredEX2

        And Miss Lovely makes it even lovelier ❤️

    • Jimmy3

      shooped
      Those dint even l9ok real trees

    • How can you possibly enjoy yourself, and bask in the majestic presence of the world, when there’s an evil cult to be destroyed?
      Where are your priorities?
      Think of the children.
      (P.S. How does one get on the waiting list for your guest room?)

    • noseinabk

      *stares at wistfully* After having a stomach bug move through my house and my extended family for two weeks and helping those who needed to recover I could sit on this perch all day.

  • Mockingbird

    Ugh. It looks like whatever David Miscavige is paying/blackmailing Marty Rathbun with is paying off quite well.

    Marty Rathbun is in an indefensible position. He defends disconnection, David Miscavige and the Scientology cult despite KNOWING for certain that they are criminal practices. He just doesn’t fucking care.

    Lots of Scientologists defend disconnection and the cult with far less firsthand knowledge about how terrible and criminal Scientology actually is. Marty Rathbun doesn’t have that excuse. He destroyed lives for years in Scientology and when it was convenient he screamed at the top of his lungs that Scientology and David Miscavige were terrible.

    He made a career out of it. Now, his circumstances have changed and he has amnesia. It’s beyond pathetic. He is actually a propaganda provider for Scientology.

    At least the OSA goons and execs can say they have always worked for Scientology because they believe in it. Marty Rathbun doesn’t even have that low level of integrity.

    He complains about an unproven anti Scientology cult. That is as clever as the racists who say white people can’t be racist.

    He acts like the imaginary cult is more harmful than the international criminal organization Scientology. Hey Marty Rathbun you alone have more admitted felonies than most Scientology critics and your cult Scientology has a long list of criminal convictions and losses in court.

    Why don’t you do a detailed critical analysis of Scientology versus the Scientology critics ?

    It can include what judges have said about Scientology, the criminal convictions of Scientologists and Scientology critics, the history of abuses and crimes in Scientology including Hubbard’s, Miscavige’s and Marty Rathbun’s own as well. It can include well constructed arguments to support his claims. You know, free from logical fallacies like ad hominem, generalities, strawman arguments and false equivalence.

    Marty Rathbun is beyond disgusting in his championing disconnection and claiming the Scientology practice is the same as an individual freely choosing to end a relationship with a toxic person.

    It’s a point of no return. The few people still supporting Marty Rathbun need to recognize that he supports disconnection and they are encouraging him.

    It’s getting easier and easier to see Marty Rathbun as an unsympathetic character. He has done a great job of that.

    • Bob Crouch

      Sad! and sadly, true!

      • Mockingbird

        He should put SPONSORED BY OSA on his blog.

    • “It’s a point of no return. The few people still supporting Marty Rathbun….”
      Its like he’s throwing crack at those in recovery.

      • Mockingbird

        Yes. And pretending to help them.

      • Bob Crouch

        It’s like throwing wind at those taking a piss

        • I’ve also heard it described as water on a drowning man.

  • Bob Crouch

    It’s getting weirder and weirder. Marty Mark does his best to defend disconnection. He does so using the “best defense” from the cult handbook. “Others do it” (as usual, those “others” go unnamed and NO proof is offered)–“so that makes it OK.” Of course, it does NOT! Other cults also marry off children and commit group suicide. OK then?

    And as he well knows, no one in their right mind has a problem with people deciding in their own free will to discontinue relationships. When a cult decides for others to break up marriages and families to dictate to its members and hold them prisoners to its control, THAT is a big problem! I am sure that the dishonesty of his “argument” is not lost on even Marty. He’s been “out” (or is he?) long enough to know the difference!

    Then he turns around and accuses scientology critics of practicing that same disconnection that he just so desperately defended–again, wholly without substantiation! So he wants it both ways: If the cult does it, it’s OK. If critics allegedly do it, it’s not.

    It’s a difference worth noting, especially to those new to our “anti-scientology cult.”

    Of course, such a common sense observation would NEVER pass the censor at Mark’s blog. So, I guess I have to point it out here in the “enemy” camp.

    • Having not kept up, I take it that Mr. Rathbun has done some new posting.
      I guess I’ll eventually look, but I’ll be more interested in the comments.
      I’m suspecting that I’ll see people agreeing with him.
      What a dreadful thing for Mr. Rathbun to do knowing that his readers include many who are/were in the process of freeing themselves from their self-imposed mental slavery.

      • Bob Crouch

        Of course, they’ll agree. That’s why they get posted, no matter how ridiculous. If you try to even add a pinch of reason, you get censored or banned (I know from experience). By a guy calling OTHERS cult leaders.

      • MarcabExpat

        It’s just pathetic at this point, not even shocking anymore. I looked and immediately wanted to take a shower.

        • I felt the same way.
          On top of the fact that I am in sore need of a shower.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Looks like Pam Bondi has been seeing Tom Cruise’s plastic surgeon…

    PHOTO CAPTION (from Patrick Clouden) –
    “‎Last Saturday I had the privilege to attend an event at the Fort Harrison Hotel where our Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi, was the featured speaker. She is a hard working, effective elected official! Also attending were Calvina Fay and Amy Ronshausen from the Drug Free America Foundation. These folks work tirelessly to fight the legalization efforts of marijuana. There are some amazing people out there and these three are right at the top of the list! Thank you for all you do!”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aea29257540c780c700455363307fa525c7e2cf1088e033b4ea03afaa3a9a61f.png

    • Jimmy3

      “These folks work tirelessly to fight the legalization efforts of marijuana.”

      I really want to meet some of this sentient bud that is trying to legalize itself, but I’d be really afraid to smoke it.

      • Frodis73

        Snort. Talk about fighting a losing battle too.

    • Mel Sembler, behind Drug Free America aka Straight, Inc, bastard child of Synanon, should be in jail.

      • Straight, Inc’s tough-love youth reform/rehab had a kill rate that Narconon would envy, and a “no-sue” contract that would give CoS lawyers a stiffy. (Yes, Yingling too.)

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, and they seem to be pretty tight with the clams lately. Cardone’s book scam and now they’re at Ft. Harrison. I thought it was just the clams courting Mrs. David Jolly but there could be more to it. Hmm…

        • Mel Sembler was a big wheel Republican fund-raiser, and bought himself the US Ambassador to Italy post back in the day. He still does that stuff and has a political lobby group, Save Our Society From Drugs.

          I’m sure that his group and CoS have lots to talk about and political friends in common.

  • Mockingbird

    Marty Rathbun will be known as the Judas of Scientology critics. I can’t support anything he is doing now or the support other people are giving him either. It’s just too much evil, too many lies that hurt people and too much support for Scientology’s crimes.

    Congratulations Marty Rathbun you are in the same category as Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige. Look at how their lives and minds turned out, and how history treats them. That is your chosen path. Moving a little higher ? Maybe into megalomania.

    • OOkpik

      All this Marty-bashing makes me sad.
      It’s certainly not what I come to the Bunker for.
      Just sayin’.

      • Mockingbird

        He attacks us, defends disconnection, defends Scientology, defends Miscavige and more.

        I have every right to object to his conduct. It’s disgusting.

        • OOkpik

          Yes, you are as entitled as anyone to speak your mind.
          I just spoke mine.
          Please don’t take it as a personal attack. It isn’t.

          • Mockingbird

            Okay. It’s been a frustrating day. No problem. I won’t take it out on you.

      • Mockingbird

        It will pass. His effectiveness will decline as the depths of his depravity are accepted.

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m late to the Bunker today. Has anyone commented on the figures running away from the bunkhouse towards the lower right of the image at about 5:15 of the second video?

    Also, between LRH’s house and the double circles, which are about 1/4 mile away at about 500′ away from the LRH house looks to me like a helicopter landing pad.

    For those with Google Earth, I’ll post the GPS coordinates of the various structures.

    • Kestrel

      It is a helicopter pad. There’s a windsock near it. I saw two people, a dog, and a herd of cattle.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks.
        It’s best to have a helicopter pad away from structures and trees, and that fits the bill.
        I was too lazy to closely examine the figures. Thanks for the answer.

    • flyonthewall

      re GPS coordinates, I’d rather you kept that shit out of the Bunker

      • Missionary Kid

        O.K., but there’s no violence in them, simulated or otherwise. Thanks for the payback. 😛

  • Mockingbird

    How about since Marty Rathbun is defending disconnection why not describe the practice in great detail ? AND how it affects families ? Be honest Marty Rathbun ! Do a good in depth critical analysis.

    What is next Marty Rathbun ? Defending R2-45 ? The chain locker ? Forced abortions ? Snow White ? Fair Game ? The RPF ? Truth Rundown ? Musical Chairs ? The beatings you dished out in the Sea Org ? Like your current boss David Miscavige ?

    What else you gonna do ? Is there a bottom ? A level you won’t stoop to, cause Marty Rathbun you are already pretty fucking low.

    • Missionary Kid

      IDK, but Marty Mark seems to be like an abused wife who leaves her husband, gets a divorce, then runs back into his arms because that’s the only thing she knows. Sad.

      • Mockingbird

        Yeah, but if the battered wife is abusing the kids with the husband at some point she needs to be accountable. Marty Rathbun actively helps Scientology to hurt people.

        • Missionary Kid

          What different paths have Marty Mark and Mike Rinder taken!

          • Mockingbird

            That partnership may be dissolved. I hope so for Mike Rinder and his friends.

            • Juicer77

              On the contrary, I hope that Rinder will keep the door open to communicate. Rathbun is human and may need a friend who can really understand where he’s been.

    • kemist

      Right now I wonder if he ever came out of the cult persona at all.

      When you have done the kind of things he’s done for the cult, can you ever recover from it ? It would take a great level of courage and humility to admit that you did those things just to enrich a conman.

      When you were the abused, you can be angry at your abuser. What do you do if you’re the one who did the unforgivable things ? Things you know you can’t even begin to make amends for ?

      • Mockingbird

        Fascinating questions. I don’t think I will ever know.

        • Missionary Kid

          Maybe Marty has become a victim of the Stockholm Syndrome?

          • Mockingbird

            Possibly, I think payment or blackmail is more likely. But who knows ?

            • More likely than a theory we jam facts into to prove.

            • Mockingbird

              I have not proved anything. I am clearly uncertain.

            • Not referring to you.

  • Mockingbird

    Marty Rathbun is going to steer people towards his fake wisdom in garbage that doesn’t encourage critical thinking or cult recovery. He encourages magical thinking and other dead ends for people.

    What an achievement. Ruining people out of the cult instead of in it. He must be so proud.

    • Robert Eckert

      I don’t think he’s going to steer many people. He is becoming unreadable even for addicts of this kind of stuff.

      • Missionary Kid

        I used to look upon him as a kind of half-way stop on the way out. Now, maybe it’s more like a cul-de-sac.

        • Mockingbird

          He is a fake whatever he is, maybe he always was.

      • Mockingbird

        He has a few folks he fools somehow. He has a role to play: distraction from the real crimes of David Miscavige and the Scientology cult.

        As long as the folks here and at ESMB focus on Marty Rathbun that is a win for David Miscavige.

        That is now his product: conversations and threads derailed. Miscavige is after that, nothing else.

        • Robert Eckert

          There seem to be fewer commenters on his threads each time around. He is chasing them away one by one.

          • Mockingbird

            Thank you. That is encouraging.

            • It is.
              And saves me the effort of keeping track.
              He will once again find himself alone and in the dark.
              But, once, a victim.
              Twice, a volunteer.

          • I could mine his comments and makes lists and graphs, but… I’d rather lick spiders.

            • Oh shit, make some graphs for fuck’s sake.

        • Bob Crouch

          I don’t know. Those folks sound like they were fools before they got there. It’s an approval thing; Daddy issues most likely.

          • Mockingbird

            Sad situation.

          • Chee Chalker

            Funny you should mention daddy issues…..I just happened to see an old Larry King interview with Tatum O’Neal right after her book ‘A Paper Life’ was released. Her brother Griffin sent a statement into the show about how Tatum’s memories were wrong and it wasn’t how he remembered things (in relation to the abuse they suffered at Ryan O’Neal’s hands).
            Larry asked Tatum why she thought Griffin said those things and she said it was because he was still desperate for their father’s approval and love.
            Then one or two years later, Griffin appears on Larry King talking about what an SOB his father was, how his father had pointed a gun at his face, knocked his teeth out and abused him his whole life.
            So, when Ryan needed Griffin to blast Tatum’s claims, Griffin did so. Then when Ryan no longer needed him, he cast him aside.

            It reminds me of this situation. Someone desperate to be needed/validated will do what his abuser wants him to do, not realizing that a narcissist cannot love another person (not that Marty is looking for love, but he (IMO) needs to be needed)

      • Yeah, I’ve expressed interest in how this is playing with his “audience”.
        Watching,

      • noseinabk

        I am just popping in tonight and glanced over there to see why this has come up again. Since they like labels and acronyms so much here goes mine. BSS: Bitter special snokwflake. The BSS felt they had so much experience and insight that they were for sure going to be the go to source for cult info. Other more likable and wellspoken ex members proved to have the same info and being out gave them all they needed to stop being BSS.

        The the smartest ASC readers have the reading comprehension skills and internet savvy to understand that the people who comment on news and blogs are not all in collusion with the writer.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I think you have an extra “S” on that acronym.

      • Yeah, hard to make that mental U-turn for many.

      • UhLasare

        Suspicion on my part – the goal is to prevent lurkers and new escapees from having a place to land because all the safe places to land have been dead agented. So they stay, because the outside world is worse with all the horrible SPs. I can’t think of other reasons for the shenanigans. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but this is how it smells to me. Bad.

        Edit to add – so the audience is not those who have been out for a long time, or never-ins, it’s the still-ins, who are reading the entheta and are confused.

        • UhLasare

          Having said that, I hope I’m wrong. But even if it’s not the motive, I wonder if it has the same effect anyway.

          • UhLasare

            And with that, I think I will not comment on him anymore. I do still wish him, and his family, well. I’m either very confused by his motivations, or I’m right, which is awful, but I would like healing and restoration for him, as I do for all the others. And now I will stop replying to my own posts. 😉

    • Jimmy3

      You created four new threads on him within a half hour. I know asking people to ignore him is a waste of everything, but could we at least minimize the amount of threads dedicated to him? Maybe have a Marty World thread here at the bunker? Call it Collapse World.

      • Mockingbird

        Okay

        • I know he, like most people, is taken aback when you agree, and don’t argue.
          Its completely disarrning.
          Well played.

          • Mockingbird

            I agree a lot through tacit approval. I guess it’s hard to hear.

        • Jimmy3

          I didn’t mean to be rude. I really wanted to say that in general. Sorry to single you out.

          • Mockingbird

            No problem

      • Its actually a major development, so maybe it merits a separate post from Tony so we don’t interrupt your comedy routine.

        • Jimmy3

          Thanks. That’d be great

          • I’ll have Tony get right on that.
            He couldn’t have done any of this without me.
            And he doesn’t make a move until I say so.

      • Liberated

        Marty who?

      • DoveAlexa

        Hah, I was going to post something like this, but I decided to just leave for half an hour. Good on you Jimmy.

      • Chee Chalker

        I think MK makes an interesting observation.
        You can use Collapse Tech on posts that contain Martyinfo.
        I don’t always have the patience to read through the Deep Thoughts posted at MOULAH, so if someone else is willing to take that bullet for me, I’m grateful.

        I get it if people don’t want this commentary community to turn into a political debate and they may ask others not to include political commentary here…….It’s not that kind of blog. But MK is commenting on what is (kind of) relevant to the group.

        I haven’t read MKs other threads yet and maybe I will feel the same way you do after reading them, but I think if someone doesn’t want to hear the going ons at Martyworld, they can utilize collapse tech.

        On a separate note, is Disquis being a B for anyone else? I’ve been dying to respond to the Frank Stallone/Leif Garett video posted below, but I can’t! I keep getting booted.

        OMG…..Frank Stallone reading/singing from a prompter, being joined by Leif Garrett all with the background of 80s hair and clothing……I’m in heaven!

        EDIT to change: I meant Mockingbird not MK. I refer to MK throughout but I meant MB (Mockingbird)

        • Jimmy3

          Collapsing threads is always an option, of course. But when every other thread is another response to this shithead, it feels like the Bunker is collapsing as a whole. He’s trolling the UB and he’s winning at it.

          • Chee Chalker

            I think it only feels that way on days like today……on days when he posts and people respond to the accusations he makes on his blog.

            We all know he censors his blog. We also know that he and several of his followers read this blog and the comments.
            I think it is a good thing for people to respond to the lies and twisted information he puts out on his blog.
            He won’t post our comments there, so I view this commenting section as a public service announcement.

            Maybe someone will see something posted here (that Marty would not dare post on his blog) and that will plant a seed of doubt or at least cause that person to question some of the information Marty puts out there.
            He expects his followers to fall in lock step, otherwise he mocks or degrades them. Marty is guilty of what he accuses others of doing.

            I would not give Marty the power of ‘collapsing the Bunker as a whole ‘
            On days he doesn’t post, there are very few mentions of him at all.

            I don’t want this to turn into a Martyworld (pro or con) blog either. That is why I would not dedicate a special section to him, unless it was a section that pointed out his inconsistencies and lapses in logic. That could turn into an entirely separate blog there would be so much information.

            But I think it’s important to let people say what they want to say. Let’s leave the censoring to Marty
            Soon enough people will come to their own realization that it is just not worth the time and effort to engage in conversation or debate with someone who has no intention to have an honest debate.

            He’s down to a handful of followers who are performing mental gymnastics to keep up with his flip flopping. Maybe they’ll come over here and read things that willl make them think.
            And maybe not. But, you can’t win them all!

            • Jimmy3

              I appreciate many of the responses, and some of them are very insightful and informative, and some of them are downright hilarious. I do enjoy those. But I don’t like the increasing frequency of new threads about it… asking the same questions, repeating the same allegations and speculating with the same old speculation. It’s just annoying at this point.

              And of course a dedicated Marty Thread is not going to happen. I was kidding. But it would be great if the people who have something to say about it would find an established comment thread and add their thoughts there. It would cut down on the spam and actually make it easier to follow for those who wish to, and easier to ignore for those who don’t. Use ‘Reply’ instead of ‘Post as’

              (tl;dr: A bunch of words everyone ignored)

            • Chee Chalker

              I think I found the solution….. Natterblog! It’s hilarious!

              I see you have already been over there….I just discovered it so I am heading over there now for some laughs

              My recommendation would be to refer people there for in depth MOULAH discussions

              I love the fact that the moderator has a long history with cult watching and apparently has a great memory.
              She is able to pull great Morty quotes, like the ‘COB hates LRH’ post she put up recently.

              I don’t know why Morty is doing what he is doing and, like you, I don’t think the speculation is worth the posting space I am giving it.

              But I am glad there is a place dedicated to giving Morty all the rope he needs as he desperately tries to backtrack from 5+ years of anti-COB commentary.

    • Baby

      And People please.. Listen up to ( M) and ( 0) and the McClaughry’s and Maraldi and M. Sigmond..Alanzo blah, blah..

      Scilooooooooneytunes IS NOT THAT BAD. Jeese.. Don’t ya know you’ve read so many Exes stories that you thought it happened to you?

      And if you want to be reminded what a Mind F*ck Scn. is.. Just read ( M) comment section.. That will make you so F*ckin relieved that you are so out of the Dangerous Cult..

      • Mockingbird

        Ugh, those comments are…challenging…at times.

  • Missionary Kid

    For those of you who want to find these structures, here are the GPS coordinates.
    Petrolia tunnel building: 40°23’15.62″N 124°18’19.42″W
    Ground elevation, approximatele 2250′ above sea level.

    LRH house 40°22’16.31″N 124°19’50.66″W
    Approximately 910 ASL

    That’s quite a climb from the LRH house to the tunnel.

    • flyonthewall

      god damn it MK

      • Missionary Kid

        😀

  • flyonthewall

    Raise your hand if you think the Bunker needs more bum fight videos

    • just another guy out there

      You mean like, Battle of the Twerkers? I’d share links but I’m trying to pretend to be a gentleman these days.

      • flyonthewall

        kind of, yes almost exactly like that

    • Missionary Kid

      Like Onward, Christian Soldiers for fundamentalist Christians?

    • Juicer77

      f5″Get off me, you little bum!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3zAkih-P4&t=23s

  • flyonthewall
    • Todd Tomorrow

      I taught Ben how to write a check. No shit!

      • And he is forever in the check-out line ahead of me.
        Please teach him how to use a check card.
        He is always forgetting his pen.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I don’t think he even carries a pen around back in those days. Here is my favorite song he wrote.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDGz1qzfNzU

          • Wow.
            You are somebody.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks, just knew how to write checks that’s all.

        • TexasBroad

          You make me laugh! Are you going to HowdyConCo? I didn’t get much time to chat in OH. Asking though I’m not sure I can go.

          • I remember and treasure every moment we shared.
            I was on a bench. You walked a dog. It was a good dog. It didn’t bite me.
            It was 9:42 am.

          • I’m not sure I can go but I’ll definitely be there.
            Oh yeah, now I also remember saving your wonderful snack spread, with naked butt Norwegian guy.
            A thankless, yet excruciatingly difficult task.
            You did good.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He was buying a vintage car.

      • Baby

        I am quite impressed Todd.. ( Although I must admit I don’t know who Ben is)

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He’s an old friend from my Seattle days.

          • Baby

            Wow.. that is really cool Todd..

    • Scream Nevermore

      Saw Cornell live and solo earlier this year – dear gods, he was wonderful!

  • The drone footage is dramatic in capturing the beauty of the world.
    So sad for it to be marred by the scars of an unrestrained evil death cult.
    Nonetheless, the footage evokes, for me, this song, which I’m embarrassed to admit, I had to refresh my recollection on regarding proper attribution.
    ( “What a Wonderful World” is a song written by Bob Thiele (as “George Douglas”) and George David Weiss. It was first recorded by Louis Armstrong and released in 1967 as a single, which topped the pop charts in the United Kingdom.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_a_Wonderful_World)
    (Bob Thiele (July 27, 1922 – January 30, 1996) was an American record producer who worked on countless classic jazz albums and record labels.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Thiele)
    Although one of my favorite versions is by Joey Ramone (recorded while he knew he was dying), its hard to argue that there’s any better next-best version to Louis Armstrong’s than this by Tony Bennett and k.d. lang.
    That they worked together is such a thing. The intensity of emotion between them is palpable.
    And that we are able to experience it, a miracle.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGBYReD3jP4

    • Okay.
      Here’s Joey’s version.
      How does one do a punk version of this song?
      And you better listen to/watch it all.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoO5nkxT_4

        • sundaygirl

          Joey was it for me. In 1990, I’m standing outside a club waiting for him and the rest of the band to come out. They took forever, but when he finally walked out, I was so excited, and so disappointed that he was racing to the van, that I started flailing about and hit him right in the gut. He sort of doubled over, but then looked at me and sort of smiled. Best moment of my life. Then, in April 2001, still totally obsessed, my friend and I plan a trip to NYC with the plan to stalk the Bowery and Queens until we found him. Unfortunately, he died before we got there. Managed to get tickets to his memorial show with Blondie, Cheap Truck, even his mom and brother.

          • Nice.
            I cried when he died.
            Same with Malcolm Mclaren, Ian Dury, Allen Toussaint.
            Couple more I don’t recall right now.
            I’m planning a major meltdown when (redacted….bad mojo) passes.

      • Ella Raitch

        Nice Cosmic Psychos poster on the wall at the end of the clip

      • Baby

        I watched it for Howdy..

        I actually liked this Shorp.. Probably the only Punk song I’ve ever liked..

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Hey, the boy half of that young couple is Michael Pitt. He’s such a dirtbag.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Best quote about Louis and his musical gifts came from superfan Tom Waits: “He came out of the ground just like a potato, completely natural.”

  • iampissed

    I kind of feel like what we are seeing is a decent into irrelevancy.

    • Juicer77

      In the videos? Or here at the Bunker? Please clarify. Thx. 🙂

  • Observer

    It’s been more than three days, but this fits, I think.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=onjaC3A2xjk

    • Baby

      More than three day? I’m confused as usual.. Or I’m the only one who is brave enough to ask dumb questions

      My entire school years just zoomed by in my head.. Shivers.

      ” Mr. Curtis how am I supposed to know what X is .. It is an alphabet letter, not a number.. Duh?”

      ” Mrs. Wentling.. OK.. I’m not getting the whole i before e thing except after c. What about the word their” or Mrs Zeigler’s last name?

      Most in the class would write me notes and say.. ” Ask her why we can’t go to recess early?” sigh..

      • Missionary Kid

        I guess I was lucky, in a way. I enjoyed school, probably because I was able to be somewhere that I had friends who didn’t judge me on how good a Christian I was, or had to conform to rules that really don’t make sense. [ E. g. Don’t dance, drink, smoke or chew, or go with girls (or boys) who do.] What “do” means is open to interpretation.

        It was an opportunity to see the rest of the world, which made more sense to me. Yes, I was embarrassed, like every kid is, by my dad, who was from another culture, the age of my friend’s grandparents, and who had a religious rigidity that my friends didn’t have, so school was a haven for me.

        That was in spite of occasionally having teachers like I had in the 6th grade, Miss Pollard. When I was first in her class, I became her enemy on one of the first few days when I raised my hand and, innocently, pointed out where she had just contradicted herself. She was not amused.

        • Baby

          Hhahaha.. funny story Kid.

      • Harmless Weirdo

        The words “weird,” “leisure,” and “hygeine” all shamelessly flout ithe “i before e, except after c” rule, too. To this day, the only way I can spell them correctly is by remembering that they’re spelled wrong.

        • Baby

          hahhahaha.. I am a terrible speller..Thank God for spellcheck Weirdo…

      • Observer

        More than three days since things got strange at MOUALH

        • Baby

          Is that a video game..? Gurl I am clueless.. Jeeze..

          • OOkpik

            Moving On Up A Little Higher.

            • Baby

              OMG.. I would NEVER have figured that out.. bawwwwwwwwwwhahhahaha Thanks Owl.. ha

          • Observer

            It’s an acronym for Mr Rathbun’s blog

  • Glen

    O/T: Mets vs Giants

    Noah Syndergaard was unbelievable but Madison Bumgarner is a historic clutch post-season performer.

    • Chee Chalker

      Eh…..none of that matters. Cubs are going to win it all. You read it here first

      • Missionary Kid

        I hope you’re right, but they might have invoked the dreaded Sports Illustrated Cover Curse by appearing on the cover.

        • Chee Chalker

          Noooo! I have been holding my breath, afraid to even mention anything but I though I would be a little daring tonight and brag a little.

          If they lose I will blame it on SI and not on my post.
          Or I can blame it on the fact that there are not enough OTs here in Chicago to postulate a World Seeies win.

          • Missionary Kid

            Boston finally beat the Babe curse, so I hope the Cubs can beat the SI curse.

      • Glen

        You very well may be right. The Cubs had a fantastic season and have the best team in the playoffs. But it’s even year 2016, the Giants have proven their mettle in the post season.

  • Username

    ASC. Anti-Scientology Cult. Right?
    So because I read and comment on Tony’s blog, I’m now in a cult? I’ve never been in a cult before. Whoa… Kinda exciting. Is this is how these things happen? One minute I’m reading about drones and crooked DAs…the next minute…I’ve been recruited. What should I do now?

    • Missionary Kid

      There’s a lot of snark about this being a cult. We don’t have Tony telling us how to think and act, aside from telling us to calm down occasionally.

      • stanrogers

        Well, there’s also the forbidden m-word, which is a strict taboo. (You may find the word by looking in Hamlet for talk of a lady protesting. I will not profane the sacred comment area by typing the word in full.)

        • Sherbet

          It’s only taboo backstage at a play.

          • stanrogers

            Ah, you have in mind the title of the Scottish play. I’m referring to a quaint and antique way of saying “it seems to me” or I think” to which our dear Proprietor has taken a profound disliking.

    • Juicer77

      (Psssst… it’s a super sekrit cult. And we are incredibly lazy, letting people wander in and out all the time and say what they think! 😉

      • Username

        Oooooooh……shhhhhhhh……lazy…..wander……think…..I can do that….thanks Juicer77

    • MarcabExpat

      I’ve been in a cult before and this one is really boring-ass by comparison. I’m not late for any mandatory four-meetings, my spouse is asleep upstairs that I voluntarily married, no one’s yelling at me, and I’m not even in fear for my life! What the hell are they doing? I could at least go out and find my tires slashed or something.

      This is what happens when you delegate to cats. They’re probably just lying around too lazy to even ruin anyone’s life.

      • Username

        So funny! If I join this ASC, is it ok for me to REALLY like the cats and think that they are the best part of the whole program? So darn cute….just popping up on the screen after I hit that view button. It’s kind of addicting 😻

        • MarcabExpat

          Well, since posting that comment hours ago, I have been informed by the CMO (Cats’ Messenger Organization) that Tony is merely a figurehead, and the cats are the actual powers behind the throne. So your plan is a sound one and in fact the wisest strategy.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    There’s some people near the conference building working. One guy by the passenger side of the pickup truck 02:41, and a lady (my guess) in blue at 02:27 and 03:21 you can see in the lower left of screen. (If I had to guess I’d say that blue lady kind of reminds me of Jacqueline Oulette, is Dylan watching this?)

    So two people I can see.

    My guess is the couple who last were running Petrolia, Jacqueline and Francois (sp) Oulette, might still be there. I remember them, they visited ASI even way back,.

    Couples of Sea Org members used to be who did these remote sites, like Petrolia and Creston Ranch.

    Has anyone commented on who they think the people might be?

    They are visible in part 3.

    • Mymy88

      Hawkeye!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    05:06 to 05:19 Petrolia Part 2 drone flight film, cattle are visible. I think they are the nearby ranch’s cattle coming up for a visit, really. I at first thought that right building looked kind of like their barn but the cattle definitely move down hill and away from the CST buildings, so I think they must be visiting from the neighbor’s ranch.

    What’s Dylan say? Did Petrolia have cattle, if so, this is them. But I think they ae the neighbor’s cattle coming up to the CST property to visit the humans.

    Clearly cattle. 05:06 to 05:19 of Part 2 Petrolia.

  • Mymy88

    Often you can tell what somebody is jealous of, by what they don’t make a comment about. For example awesome drone videos, little facts unknown by many scientologists regarding the subject matter of these videos, and questioniong about how much these elaborate cribs and surrounding supporting structures cost, eh hem, since scientology is exempt from paying taxes for some inexplicable reason. Oh wait… that’s right… they “won the war”.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    O/T: Mama ain’t got time for your games, son. Leah for president! (F5) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be929d9f461406c7276365facb89bca5ae9430c00443d4294b2b6639b37ca871.png

    • Mymy88
      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        So glad that she’s staying in the conversation. So tickled that she scares the pants off Miscavige.

        • Mymy88

          Yeah! She never misses an opportunity to twist those balls around one more time lol.

    • JaxNGold

      Damn, I love this woman. Just for that tweet alone.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Right? I really hope she hangs in this battle for the long haul. She not only has the platform and the audience, she is fearless.

  • Mymy88
    • Baby

      night sweetie.. tomorrow…

  • Lady Squash

    Why didn’t the Church just make auditing free for those in need instead of spending all those millions on stupid buildings. Oh, I forgot, it’s a cult.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      You can get those 20% off coupons on Groupon.

    • chukicita

      There is a “scripture” on that, which also helps to explain why they never actually help anyone. the Doctrine of Exchange, ‘make the able more able’ and the Tone Scale work together to determine who deserves to thrive – and who to disappear – in Scientology-view.

      • kemist

        Curiously, the “Exchange” stuff never seemed to apply to the place where it is most important : the labor provided by staff and SO. Somehow, they’re always supposed to work for free or for miserable scraps.

      • Lady Squash

        I’m a Methodist now and we have scripture too. It goes like this: Earn, Save, and Give. Giving is encourage. It doesn’t mean get taken advantage of. It means help those in need if you can. “Exchange” is a business model. It took me awhile to unprogram myself from that crazy way of looking at things. It’s just a friggin excuse for making more money. The Church is so out-exchange with all its parishioners, it’s not even funny.

        • chukicita

          Wow! Yes, and elegantly put – “exchange” is a *business model.* And Scientology, inc. is truly a business. When you add KSW then it becomes even more businessy.

          An organization with abuse built into its policies and designed to ignore people in need should never be granted tax exemption.

    • They sell Auditing so that people can get more productive and live a happy life… But not to their own staff that works for free. They will get Security checked instead!

      • Lady Squash

        Yeah, that’s the way it works. I would just add that the sell auditing “supposedly” so that people can get more productive and live a happy life. There are a lot of Scientologists who get auditing and are miserable. I’m just saying.

        • Yes! We can add that. Most of them just turn on a Fake UpTone

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    UPDATE: SP Sylvia Wagner DeWall…
    http://tonyortega.org/2015/03/30/audio-leak-hear-a-scientologist-being-declared-suppressive-and-facing-the-loss-of-her-family/

    “Headin to Clearwater Florida. Sharing my adventures on Facebook. It’s been two years. I’m a little grayer and a little chubby, but I think folks might still know who I am.”

    https://www.facebook.com/sylvia.wagnerdewall/videos/vb.1020567529/10208772067031938/?type=2&theater

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Sylvia, I’m just confused if you loathed religions why you spent decades in a sham “church.” Plenty of other ways to help the community and planet.”Painting winter wonderland” and distributing way to happiness booklets seems like you continued to waste your time. Be careful in Clearwater, remember people tend to just go missing..I’m not trying to be critical I just was close to someone who was in for as long as you were and they too went on a mission to confront their feelings toward the church. Not only was Osa on their ass the moment they showed up in town but they had them arrested on trumped up charges. It ended up costing them economically, as well as their home. Oh and legal bills, too. Just a suggestion but burn that bridge as it is a pimple on your past!

    • Juicer77

      Best of luck to Sylvia. I hope she can reconnect with her brother and other loved ones. Be safe and be careful. **PLEASE have someone else with you at all times making a video of what goes on.**

    • Ahh! So that’s her… Another brick in the puzzle

    • MarcabExpat

      Oh geez. I hope she does’t hit a wall of reversed traffic lanes. She’s trying to do this right in the middle of one of the largest evacuations of the Florida peninsula ever.

    • Pandora’s Box

      What a brave lady. I hope you can confront your challenges and make them work for you. 🙂

  • Jack99

    Spoiler! Hubbard was nuts

    • Vault Digger

      Another spoiler! Hubbard was nuttier than a nut bar factory in Nutsilvania

      • Jack99

        That’s pretty nutty

        • OOkpik

          These make me feel like I’m snooping is somebody’s underwear drawer – and yes, I snooped! *blush*
          How did you do that, anyway?

          • It’s a FOIA font

            • OOkpik

              Oh great! So now I have an MU and am all confused, and I’m pissed, and it’s stupid anyway, and I’m about to start throwing things and wrecking the Bunker, and then I’m going to blow, and, and, and, it’s all your fault because you wrote some dumb thing that I was expected to understand but makes no sense whatsoever. Big help you are!!

            • Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) It was a joke. When you get a copy from the government they use a huge marker to overline those words you aren’t supposed to see.
              But i take your comment as ironical?
              ETA: you can use this site to make special characters http://www.messletters.com/en/

            • OOkpik

              J&D. It took me a minute to remember what FOIA is and Hubbard said if you go past a word that you don’t understand without clearing it, you will exhibit similar behavior. I wouldn’t dare make him wrong. LOL

              Meanwhile, I’m still curious about how they did that hidey stuff.

            • 🙂 i dont know if that site has this feature but a shortcut is to copy/paste the “marked” text and change the context

          • Jack99

            text without gaps

            • OOkpik

              Thanks. You’ve created a monster. *evil grin*

  • Newton Starsky

    Has anyone mentioned what appears to be a ‘ham’ radio antenna (e.g. Second video at 7:13)?