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DRONE FLYOVER: First images of Scientology’s Gold Rush mine in California

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Another Wednesday brings us more unique footage from an anonymous drone pilot who has flown over some of Scientology’s most secretive sites.

Three weeks ago, he gave us a view of Scientology’s secretive international management base (“Int Base”) that we’d never seen before. Two weeks ago he flew us over the even more secret “CST” headquarters compound in the mountains above Los Angeles, where we believe Scientology leader David Miscavige stashed away his wife Shelly eleven years ago. And last week, we got an unprecedented look at the ranch in San Luis Obispo County where Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986.

This week, we’re getting a look at another secretive “CST” underground vault site owned by the church, one which is located in California’s gold country, near the town of Tuolumne.

The Lady Washington Mine was a Gold Rush-era quartz mine that was associated with several claims in the area, including the New Albany and Dead Horse mines. A vintage photo shows the mill operated by the United Mines group just outside Tuolumne itself.

 
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The church took possession of the Lady Washington Mine in 1988, and then turned one of its tunnels into an underground vault with construction in 1997, according to a local newspaper:

A branch of the Church of Scientology is turning a Gold rush era mine in Tuolumne into a vault. The Church of Spiritual Technology has been blasting at the Lady Washington Mine, 18749 First Avenue, for several weeks and recently finished gunniting about 108 feet of tunnel. Plans filed with the Tuolumne County Building Department show a 15-foot-wide, 250-foot-long-tunnel. The first 98 feet from the entrance are improved, with a 10.5-foot domed ceiling. At the end of the 98 feet is a 10-foot-long storage room. The plans show the rest of the tunnel to be unimproved. The value of the finished project, according to the building permit, is $210,000. The church has also applied for a permit to build a generator building, but that permit has not yet been approved. The Lady Washington Mine and two houses on 26.23 acres were purchased in 1988 by William and Donna Daniels. They bought six parcels in all. Part of the land was sold by William Trimmer, and the rest by Drew Reeves. In 1988, the Daniels gave the property to Norman Starkey, trustee of “Author’s Family Trust.” Starkey gave the property to the Church of Spiritual Technology in 1993.

 
The Church of Spiritual Technology is Scientology’s odd and very secretive entity whose mission is to construct underground vaults for the storing and preservation of L. Ron Hubbard’s works in case of civilization collapse. CST operates separately from the church, and most Scientologists never learn about it. Even high-level Scientology executives are kept in the dark about the location of the vaults and how they operate. (See our overview of CST and the vault sites, with maps.)

Unlike the other CST properties, this one isn’t very remote — it’s just outside the town of Tuolumne itself, and is easy to find on maps. But all you can see from outside it is a locked gate.

 
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Now, you’re going to get a bird’s eye look at the Lady Washington property with unprecedented detail. Make sure to watch these videos on full screen to soak up the incredible detail of the 4K camera that was mounted a DJI Phantom 4 drone…

 

 
The drone pilot supplied some of his own notes this time.

The video starts at the eastern edge of the town of Tuolumne flying east between Crocker and Baker Avenues. The drone flies to the top of the ridge and then turns south to a large meadow containing two crosses we see later in the video close up. The drone then turns around and flies back north along the ridge line at a lower altitude showing all of the buildings on the base. At the north end of the base the drone turns around once more and heads south along the ridge at the lower altitude. When it reaches the buildings it does an orbit around them.

At 3:20 you see the only visible resident of the base in the center of the frame: A large black cat.

At 5:00 you can see one of the mysteries of the base. There is what appears to be a motorhome under a dark brown covering well hidden beneath the trees. It has a really odd shape though and I would love to know what it is. It could just be in storage but it is so well hidden from view it makes me wonder. It is visible later in the video at several times.

At 6:00 the drone is looking north and below the main house you can see what appears to be a gate covering an entrance into the hillside, one of the older mine entrances.

Part 2 of the video begins with a close investigation of the mine entrance that was improved in 1997, and that probably contains the vault with Hubbard’s materials.

At 5:00 the drone begins a very low and slow precision approach to the very well watered and cared for grass area in the middle of the base.

At 5:20 you get the best look at the motorhome or whatever is hidden under the brown covering.

At 6:22 the drone has turned around to face east and pitched the camera to look down. The drone then flies south along the ridge while continuing to look east. When the drone reaches the meadow past the southern entrance to the base, it makes a close examination of the two crosses there.

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[The mine site below the houses, improved in 1997 and containing the vault (we think).]

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[A good look at the south house (left) and north house (right).]

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[The crosses on “Mt. Havilah,” visible from town.]

Speaking of those crosses, we had previously learned a fun bit of trivia about the Lady Washington Mine that we hadn’t found an opportunity to mention before.

Each Easter, a local Christian congregation gets permission from the Scientologists at the mine to go on to the property to hold a sunrise service on that hilltop. So, if you’ve ever wanted to walk onto a CST property, you might, this spring, join the Soulsbyville United Methodist Church when it makes the trek up the hill.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Jens Tingleff last night reported in our comments section that in Copenhagen, Narconon ads are being removed from city buses after a local newspaper made an inquiry about the ads violating a rule about promoting a religious viewpoint. For once, local authorities were not snowed by Scientology’s obfuscations that its drug rehab clinics are not really a part of Scientology. The local newspaper pointed out that the Narconon building had been purchased by Social Betterment Properties International, which is a subsidiary of the church itself. And that proved to the bus company that the tie was real. Nice going, “Information!” Here’s a translation of their story.

Meanwhile, back in Southern California, Kerri Kasem promoted another Scientology “human rights” front.

 
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Your proprietor on Reddit tomorrow — with Paulette Cooper!

To mark the occasion of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely being released in audiobook form, tomorrow we’ll be subjecting ourselves to an AMA at Reddit’s Scientology board, and we’ll be joined by Miss Lovely herself, Paulette Cooper!

You’ll have a chance to “Ask Me Anything” from noon to 2 pm, Eastern time.

 
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The Underground Bunker is 4 years old today

Another year already? Well, we couldn’t have done it without our great readers and commenters.

The cats have pulled out the hooch for later, and we’ll be celebrating by scrambling for another story for tomorrow, just like every other day.

But here’s a toast to Scientology Watching, and on into our fifth year!

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on September 28, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • nottrue

    The Night they Close the Big Blue Down…And all the people were singing https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b4c6487427a15688f5fdbe728f934a0e5ef4418c0cb17a21805c027c3d547e0.jpg

    • Sherbet

      That begs to be shooped, but I’m not the gal to do it.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      After careful inspection by crime scene technicians, the lifeless body was covered in a white sheet and although they wanted to transport it to the Valley Morgue, it too was covered in a white sheet.

      Authorities believe an epidemic of the “truth-virus” is the culprit behind the death of so many Scientology properties. There is no known cure at this time. Word going around is that there is a break-dancing engineer currently working on a treatment in an unknown European location.

  • I do wonder what exactly goes on up there at Lady Washington Mine, when the Soulsbyville United Methodists aren’t about. “Groves and high places” keep coming to mind, for some reason… (Remember to re-starch pointy headdress so it fits pointy head): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/551a97cb4f89f62857f0f4c20e0a15beb3e0eed06b5f9bb48019601e54d69292.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      glad I’m not the only one who kinda did a o.O when I heard the cross lit up

  • Libertylover

    For Fly, “Lego Drones are officially a thing.”
    Now you can combine Scientology watching with Lego both at the same time.
    1/2 the time and double the pleasure.
    https://www.snapmunk.com/lego-drones-flybrixs/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7880513addb10cd0dd366d148cbdc29cb2bc0451bba601aae073033682f3f53f.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      Nice. I think it was stillgrace or madison who showed this to me a few weeks ago. We have a b-day coming up soon for the youngest flyboy here. Hmmm *scratches chin*

      • Libertylover

        Oh sorry for the repost.
        I get all my drones at Goodwill. I got a new one, still in the box 90% off retail a few months ago.
        The cheap ones crash more but they’re still a lot of fun.

        • flyonthewall

          really? We’re always at thrift stores and I don’t think we’ve seen any drones yet.
          You think this is too pricey?

          • Libertylover

            It’s decent for lego, not really pricey. It looks like a lot of fun actually.
            I’m going to tell u a sooper Sekrit.
            Make friends with the people at Goodwill, Salvation Army etc. Find out when they put all the stuff out on the shelves. They usually price it out back and put it on the shelves at a certain time or on certain days. Show up right before and you get first dibs on the cool stuff.
            Once an employee was waiting for my son and I with a huge box of ridiculously cheap lego. They got donuts that day. Also I told a lie and pretended it was for my son. Am I despicable cos it was really for me?
            In my defense, my son gets the pick of LP records at 99 cents so he’s happy.
            Feel free to use my system in Ohio, but try it in my neck of the woods and you will rue the… oh whatever.
            Harry Buttman is an anagram for him who can’t be named. Probably not that funny but it makes me chuckle every time.
            Added…. No it’s not pricey but it’s hard to beat 20 bucks for a 200 dollar drone. Too many other sets I would buy and build first. I might actually try to do this myself, if I can get the motors. I have a few arduino boards kicking around the house.

            • flyonthewall

              😉

        • LongtimeLurker

          “The cheap ones crash more but they’re still a lot of fun.”

          Sounds like my ex-wives!

          what?

      • iampissed

        Hell and when it crashes, more fun.

  • aquaclara

    Dear Drone Boss, thank you ever so much for this most recent flyover. I am in awe of these videos which let us check in on our favorite cult without really having to deal with the attack fences, attack dogs and attack OSA people.
    You get our best medal for Valor and Amazingness in Confronting and Shattering Barbed Fences.
    Happy Bunkerversary!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I wonder who this could be… Jenna, is that you? 😉

    “This year, on another Napa Valley property, the company constructed a $9 million, 7,600-square-foot compound with horse stables and accommodations for 12, along with four escape tunnels leading to outlets on the estate, multiple hidden rooms — in case “you let someone in whom you do not fully trust,” says Lynch — and an aboveground safe house “disguised as a horse barn.” http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bunker-builders-anticipate-lucrative-trumpocalypse-932748
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43754cfff076acabc5e01afa8e6d2264181f84099ed0f9296a9faec87c7b7057.png

    • flyonthewall

      why would you let someone in who you didn’t fully trust?

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        IKR… dolts!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I understand that Regs are sneaky like that. They show up asking to borrow a cup of sugar and the next thing you know… you’ve just dropped another $25,000 to climb that Bridge. It must be that fabulous LRH communication tech they’ve got!

      • iampissed

        Yea…what’s with that?

        • flyonthewall

          *shrug*

      • DoveAlexa

        So you can act out your own stupid 80’s slasher fic?

    • Spackle Motion

      Jenna doesn’t have the money to afford a $9 million house. I don’t think Dharma & Greg went to syndication and she’s not worked much since then.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Unfortunately, this bitch is always working. She’s got another TV show in the works now.

        • Spackle Motion

          Doing guest spots and pilots likely won’t get you to afford a $9m house.

          But in looking at the floor designs posted in the Hollywood Reporter link, that looks more like something DM would want, not some airhead actress that thinks AIDS is a state of mind.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I’m sure she can afford a $9 million dollar house but it was just a joke – a Jenna Elfman/ horse joke. I didn’t think the house described is really hers.

            • stillgrace2

              She just said the stuff about blowing horses to get attention. I have cleaned many a gelding’s sheath in the name of responsible equine care and anyone who would put their lips anywhere near that is crazy. Oh … wait.

            • LongtimeLurker

              …I…

              …uh…

            • stillgrace2

              Hi Lurker, it’s a twice a year equine hygiene chore. You can google it if you want, but I don’t recommend it. If you decide to help, wear very thin latex gloves. You’ll find out why if you google.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah I figured something like that. : )

              Edit – hi sg2.

    • They should be building Bunkers, hatred against them grows and here’s a little kown fact: the Super Rich taste just like chicken.

  • J. Swift

    These drone flyovers are amazing and have great archival value. Paradoxically, these videos have allowed general public to see more of Scientology’s facilities than the Scientologists who have donated billions of dollars to the Church.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Happy 4th birthday, Underground Bunker 🙂

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I just discovered the Wisecrack YouTube channel and the following is an interesting episode of “Thug Notes”. It’s a brilliant analysis of the novel 1984.
    I think this is the kind of novel that aliens could be thankful to find in one of the CST vaults after the destruction of Teegeac during an atomic war.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMlOQsu2zM

    • Libertylover

      ” In the end, The Man takes all the “soul” straight outta Winston. He only love Big Brotha. Damn.”
      love it, thanks for posting.

    • Frodis73

      I found Thug Notes a few months ago and love it! They cover all the must read books.

  • outraged

    The grass is sure greener on the Scientology side. Wonder how much water they use…..
    Nicely manicured gardens for who? Looks like an abandoned family complex where the robots are still taking care of the land and buildings. No outside furniture, no potted plants, no sign of humanity.

    • PickAnotherID

      “…no sign of humanity.”

      That’s because $cienology is designed to remove all vestiges of humanity.

  • Bob Crouch

    Interesting article about Danish Narconon. It sounds as if their gov’t has given the cult as well as the program a good deal of careful thought. Come on, IRS, you want to be shamed by a bunch of Danes?

  • Bunkertology: The Coolest Cult Under Earth

    Happy 4th!

    (p.s. what’d i miss the past few months? *snicker*)

    • iampissed

      Hey SucculentDuck really glad your back.
      Nice meeting you at SMP protest. Missed you!

      • thanks, and likewise, my pissed brother! SMP … heh heh, oh the memories… i can’t believe how much amazing content they’ve produced in the past, what, 5 months?

        • iampissed

          Yea heard they wereup for a few awards for all the hard hitting coverage.
          Like covering their ass. Which they are the best at.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hello! Have you had a good summer?

    • Frodis73

      Hey, I was just wondering where you were yesterday! Glad to see ya!

      • hi Frodis! yesterday i was knee deep in some bulljive. today it’s only ankle deep so i decided to get me some of this “fresh” Bunker Birthday air.

    • Observer

      It’s about time!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hey man, good to see you back around!

      • back atcha, 5ft! i brought my sidecar attachment for the couch so no one has to scooch down. thanks for not changing the locks on me.

        • Sherbet

          Hey, Ducculent.

          • hola Sherb 🙂 we still way out on the sparkly fringes of the internetz?

            • Sherbet

              I’m back in the saddle again.

            • nice. spaceship saddles are super comfy… and, well, if i’m gonna get an Aerosmith song stuck in my head it might as well be a good one.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Psssst…Don’t tell anybody, but I always leave the back bunker window unlocked, just in case I forget my keys. So in case you ever need to sneak in during the middle of the night…

          • (your secret is safe w/ me… is it the window in the alley that all the clean cut squares keep trying to sneak a peek inside of or the one on the other side where the anarcho punks hang out and laugh at the clean cut squares?)

    • Willie Jones

      Nice to see you back.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I hope our Mystery Drone Pilot can make it to Saint Hell for the International Association of Scammers weekend. Oooo, that would roast DM’s little chestnuts. 😈😈😈

    • iampissed

      Can you say GoFund me…I knew you could.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Have someone let us know Mr. Pilot. We’re happy to help.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      The Irish SPs attempted to fly a drone over St Hill a few years back and something weird happened when they tried to launch it. I don’t understand the exact details of what went wrong, but the distraction they created enabled the Sun newspaper reporters to get in the tent and do a big write-up afterwards!

      • When my Premium Bond comes up, planning begins…

        • stanrogers

          Should’a put a tenner on Leicester City last year.

      • They may have jammed the radio frequency that the drone relies on for control. Clearly, we’re going to need a Zeppelin! A tiny one, but a Zeppelin nonetheless.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Yes, it was definitely something like that. When the lads realised it wasn’t going to fly over the grounds they decided on a plan B in concert with the Sun newspaper journalists and took the drone far away from the entrance – very noisily – so that security would follow them, and it worked! The journos were able to slip in without a fuss 🙂

  • BronxLaurie10

    Happy anniversary Tony, and thanks for all you do.
    And Happy Anniversary to all the people here at the Bunker.
    You are a wonderful bunch.

  • iampissed

    You know, I’m sure glad I’m not on drone detail. Their stats must be way down.

  • meerameezer (wogsy)

    I gotta get me a drone. Got a couple of people I want to spy on.

  • Bob Crouch

    Nice balloon: Know your rights. I wonder why they don’t take a bunch of these and release them over Sea Org bases!

  • Kim O’Brien

    Hugs and congrats to you Tony 🙂

  • iampissed

    Mister Drone man film me a scene
    Make it the biggest that Saint Hill has seen
    Please come on over to do a flyover
    And scare DM till hell freezes over

  • exccla

    Happy anniversary to Tony and every one here. You’ve done a boat full of good for many peole, like myself. Keep up all the great work !

  • Argh! Every time there’s a story with Mike Ferriss, the spelling of his name changes!

    This time, it’s Mike Ferris. (And why’s their New Zealand guy doing PR in Australia?)
    http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/allegations-scientology-ran-a-western-sydney-penal-colony/7886098

    I can’t imagine that all those journalists never ask him to spell his name, so I have to wonder what game he’s playing at.

    Category:Mike Ferriss

  • nottrue

    … No… South Park contact Know Your Rights…. Talk to Kerri Kasem… .. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5b42d86859c5d8edf448bf8b1a585d6af293918f710cd5fda77d033f21c9123.jpg

  • These are fascinating videos for Bunkeristas. I’m hoping that all the bases have been covered and that we get to see Petrolia and Trementina, because The Tiny Terror™ is undoubtedly at SPP* level 47 by now and there will be no more safe skies above Scientology property for anyone (with an exception for Tom Cruise Missiles, of course). Even now, I imagine he’s feverishly trying to get trained, drone-attacking raptors from Europe for each base. That poor Kitteh in the first video is now on the RPF just for being outside.

    *Suppressive Person Paranoia

  • nottrue

    Bunker 4yr old Yayyyyyy……. Me 4yr older Boooooo

    • stanrogers

      Luckily for me, the Bunker exists in a little time bubble outside of the real calendar. It’s only been a couple of months. Barely more than a week longer than I’ve owned my 6MP Nikon D70 DSLR. I’m sure of that.

      • beauty for ashes

        SO what you are saying is that your camera is some sort of space time preservative, and if you take our picture, we’ll never age either? hmmmm….. interesting proposition.

  • Juicer77

    Congratulations on 4 years of Bunkerness. 🙂

  • flyonthewall

    Bunker doesn’t shut up. We grow up. And when we look at *Martinez we throw up. Then his thetan goes around the corner and licks it up.

    *Martinez is Spanish Marty

    • DoveAlexa

      eeeeeeewwwwww

      • Baby

        Double EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

  • nottrue
    • Ella Raitch

      Now there’s a thought…not so much a media production site as a massive media monitoring site. Now that would be of some practical use.

  • aegerprimo

    I’m really loving these drone flyover videos! The resolution gives me vertigo. I love the musical accompaniment as well. Tchaikovsky was my fav. Did I hear some Tangerine Dream?

  • nottrue

    Tears of joy that did not end till the passing of the Check . This is sick and sad at the same time … http://workabletechnology.com/?p=1196https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6ee32c319a386ba6eaf33077c46995b793c68fb88f0396fea5a3fb1c040236d.jpg

    • flyonthewall
    • Sherbet

      Scientology: The only religion that forces dead people to admit to overts.

      • Frodis73

        The idea of talking to the dead like that is just so odd to me, but you really hit the nail on the head with your comment about overts. WTF is all I can say about that…so disgusting.

        • Sherbet

          Added to the long list of disgusting things the church does and teaches.

    • Hubbard didn’t come up with any new ideas – he took old ones and and gave them a spin that made them acceptable to the popular imagination of his time – specifically SF tropes.

      hen you think about it, though, ‘past lives’ and auditing only substitute an ‘auditor’ for a medium and an e-meter for a crystal ball. If you want to start a successful cult, take ideas that have worked for millennia, file off the serial numbers, and try to make them sound relevant.

      What’s amazing is that the people you are quoting here lack any awareness that they are revealing one of the plagiarised origins of Scientology.

      • Mockingbird

        People that quote Hubbard (and believe he created something beneficial in Scientology) usually don’t know he plagiarized his creations or don’t know the extent or don’t understand his plagiarism is of harmful methods.

        Most don’t understand loaded language, Orwellian double think, reversals of truth, propaganda, logical fallacies, rhetoric and hundreds of other relevant ideas and subjects for understanding Scientology.

        There is a whole subset of indie mini gurus that take parts of Scientology and other practices and claim to get miraculous results. Some have claims as extreme as Hubbard himself. They sometimes brag about training to a high class of auditor or having worked with Hubbard personally or other people.

        You can find their videos on YouTube and some sell books too. I seriously think they may only be a couple dozen people at most nowadays. Some are on Facebook.

        They often pose in photos in the same way Hubbard and Crowley did.

        • Frodis73

          I just brought this up on another msg board…I cannot recall mini-Hubbard ever discussing Singer, Hasson, Lifton, etc. I would also bet that his followers have not read those books either. If I had been in a cult one of the first things I would do after waking up would find out what the experts in cults say about it.

          • Mockingbird

            If you are referring specifically to David Saint Lawrence I don’t know what he personally has studied. Most of the mini gurus hold (or claim to hold) belief in dualistic spiritual ideas. They believe in pseudoscience and unproven ideas about magical thinking that are similar to Scientology.

            They often won’t touch psychology or psychiatry or anything that refutes Scientology. Marty Rathbun calls the people that believe in personal transcendent experiences peak experiencers. If you take their anecdotes on faith and don’t want evidence against that you probably stay away from cultic studies.

            • Frodis73

              Sorry, I was talking about he who will not be named.

            • Mockingbird

              Oh, Marty Rathbun. I have never seen him show any respect for Lifton, Singer, Hassan or conventional cult experts. I have not extensively studied his blog or writing.

              Based on his disdain for people that don’t believe in peak experiences and his generally superior attitude I don’t think Marty Rathbun has tried skepticism or rejecting magical thinking.

            • Frodis73

              Me either, and I think that is part of his problems. He should look into it, but we both know if he has not done it by now, he probably will not.

            • Frodis73

              And you know what, if he read those books, it would not make him any less spiritual either. I know he is not so much on critical thinking/skepticism, but nowhere (that I am aware of) do those cult experts tell people to reject all religion or spirituality. Even if he still clung to the woo woo stuff, those books could help him.

            • Mockingbird

              I just looked at some of his blog posts. He in one cherry picked a few quotes by Steven Hassan to call the Bunkeroos a cult. He isn’t looking at Scientology, his own actions or current beliefs though.

              I don’t think he is ready to ever demand evidence for anything. It’s not his thing. I think if something satisfies his confirmation bias he might use it.

            • Frodis73

              Oh wow, then he is at least familiar with some of their work/ideas. If true, he damn well knows the Bunker/ESMG/etc. are not cults. TBH, I think he knows he is being dishonest and only exaggerating.
              eta-correct spelling

            • Mockingbird

              He probably has some inkling, but with all his time thinking Scientology has valid methods he probably has some strange ideas.

            • Mockingbird

              I honestly think he could do courses on critical thinking and Socratic debate and start at the bottom and try to progress. He could drop the big words and loaded language. If he was in a good debate group he would be crushed for using fallacies in the beginning and would get his humility and patience tested.

              His habits would be figured out pretty quickly as he uses just a few propaganda techniques. He could learn how to construct well thought out arguments to support his claims and the counter arguments that would be used against him.

              Among the Scientology community it would be less useful because they wouldn’t listen to him most of the time. It would help his thinking and certainly help his writing.

              He has shown no signs of being ready to rapidly throw off all pretense of wisdom and start over as a beginner somewhere else. It’s not easy.

          • LongtimeLurker

            They occasionally quote philosophers.

            But only in support of their existing beliefs, not as an exploration of possibilities.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Exactly–it’s turned into [a the] confirmation bias circle-jerk of the sycophants…ETA: generally speaking… the occasional dissenting voice is permitted through the butthurt barrier, for the sycophants to pounce on.[Edit 2]

            • Frodis73

              I love that description! That should be the sub-title of his blog.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Rolls off the tongue more readily than the fatuous and clunky MOALBH! (God I hope he reads this… )*evil monkey grin*

            • Frodis73

              Lol, I have a hunch he does read quite a bit. If not, one of his fans will let him know…especially one in particular. 🙂

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Begins with an ‘O’ by any chance? 😉

            • Frodis73

              Lol. How did you ever guess?

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              It was in my ASC joining pack in the “Avoid at All Costs” section!

            • Frodis73

              We are so bad, lol. The sad thing is, she is probably a great person, maybe she rescues kittens in her spare time, I do not know. But she has blinders on when it comes to certain things (ASC) and has said some very nasty things about us.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              This is true! The trouble is, we’d never know because we only have her lengthy and unhinged recycling of the woo coupled with ad homs aplenty over there to go by, so our opinion will inevitably be coloured by that. If we, here, are a cult then all I can say is: Worst. Cult. Ever! (and they all need to do extensive word-clearing, but picking up Merriam-Webster instead of the Dreck Dictionaries moRon wrote 🙂 )

            • LongtimeLurker

              “Strap in! We’re about to break the Butthurt Barrier!”

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              “Transmit the brown-nose code to gain access!”

            • LongtimeLurker

              Excellent snark, sir. Lol.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Thank you 🙂

        • Which is the same kind of behaviour that you see in many other fringe groups, right down to the focussed stare, that it supposed to make people feel that they they are paying exclusive attention to you (but most often just comes over creepy).

          The posing is widespread, too and members often adopt aspects of the personal style of the guru.

          Those Independent Scientologists are often concerned with maintaining an income, doing the only thing that supports their self-esteem (and in some cases, the only thing they know).

          Luckily for the world, they will never unite. Their customer base is ‘recovering Scientologists’ who have left the CofS but not yet, quite, discarded ‘the tech’ (I’ve never heard of their recruiting anyone from the general public). These people left because they were tired of others telling them what to think, and their would-be gurus are in competition.

          Independents have to at least present a more benign image than the CofS – if they go for ‘heavy ethics’ their cash cows will go elsewhere for their woo.

          They cannot unite, and will drift further apart with time.

          • Mockingbird

            Yeah, they usually are competing for customers and status. Some Indies are wealthy and pay auditors to validate their past lives, but they are not a huge group.

          • Mockingbird

            The staring in Scientology obviously encompasses the TRs. The posing and acting like the cult leader is taken up in many places like totalistic identity theory, traumatic narcissism and simple folie à deux (or its variations).

            It’s a repeated theme.

            • From a sociological perspective, you can understand the role playing as a socially constructed presentation of self.

              A maverick Sociologist called Goffman had some interesting ideas in this regard, especially relating to what he called ‘total institutions’ – of which the CofS is a very special case.

            • Mockingbird

              I am not familiar with his work. I tend to see all work on totalitarian groups and abusive relationships as relevant to Scientology.

            • And it is, to many (but not all) aspects.

              Being an outsider I proceed from the general to the particular. You, having has experience of the CofS work to understand it the other way around.

            • Mockingbird

              To a degree. I try to not overvalue my own experience because I could do that too. By approaching it from several subjects and seeing how social psychology and academics who study totalitarian groups and totalism look at such groups I can see perspectives I might have missed on my own.

              I also see language as guiding, framing and limiting thought. By studying different subjects that are relevant I can have the opportunity to think in the concepts and terms that each subject introduces. John Stuart Mill said language is the light of the mind. It makes critical thinking possible.

              It’s hard to think of things you have no terms for and natural to think in the terms you have. Hubbard in particular used language to construct a world of shadows and with a reversal of truth and fiction he meant to confuse people, to heighten anxiety and stress. He felt if he could do this thoroughly enough then through his use of Orwellian reversals and alterations to language make Scientology self perpetuating in the cult member then he could enslave the victim until death.

              I think overcoming his limits in language and critical thinking requires embracing language to specifically counter his deceptions and critical thinking tools to overcome the reduction in independent thinking Scientology encourages.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Yeah, she’s dead now so she can admit her part in the relationship problems. SMH
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y7qv234hPgw/T_10DFMkepI/AAAAAAAAB1U/j-hpjfGhXKw/w1200-h630-p-nu/louis-ck.gif

      • Observer

        Treat her like crap in life, “handle the upsets he had caused her” when she’s dead. BONUS: pretend she’s accepting blame for things she may or may not really have done.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Final score: Scumbag!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Right? Pretty fucking convenient.

  • TinyTyrant

    Happy Birthday Bunker!!!! Tony, thank you for fighting the good fight and giving us all a place to hang out!

  • Username

    Happy Birthday Bunker! Thank you Tony for providing an exceptional and enjoyable example of journalism that also works to make the world a better place, one delicious posting at a time.

    • beauty for ashes

      Great now I want birthday caek. Can you run out and get us some? I’d like some with cannoli filling, one side chocolate one side vanilla, with jimmies on the sides and roses on the top. I’m too pooped. Thanks! 😉

      • Sherbet

        “Jimmies”? I thought only Bostonians say “jimmies.”

        • beauty for ashes

          philadelphians too, we say hoagies, and you say something wrong though.

          • Sherbet

            You want a tonic with your sub?

            • beauty for ashes

              Terrible memories as a child of trying to order in a deli. I was sooo scared. Massachussets was lovely, although I probably mostly saw historic sites or Rich peoples houses. We always had to stop somewhere on the way to Maine and back to see my dad’s sister.

            • Sherbet

              Funny. Or not, depending on how scarred you really are.

            • beauty for ashes

              funny, because, now that I think of it, parents were just as confused by the language barrier!
              PS~ what else can you call “jimmies?”

            • Sherbet

              Sprinkles.

            • Baby

              Pop

            • Kestrel

              Around here it’s a coke. “I’d like a coke, please.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.”

            • Baby

              NOOOO swear to God.. I have never heard that.. Hahhaa..

      • Username

        Ooh… So good. Nothing open right now, I’ll just whip it right up and call u when ready!

  • Jeb Burton

    We can ask you anything Tony? My short term girl wants to know what is happening with the Ortega package? Ginger or Mary Ann? Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts? Sopranos or Breaking Bad? Sushi or steak? We dont much about the royalty of the ASC.

    • Baby

      Jeb.. I think the questions for Tony isn’t top priority..

      Your Short term Girl .. ? Do you pay her by the hr. or for the term ?

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Sure it gets crowded sometimes but there is always a comfy seat. Thanks Underground Bunker.

  • Username

    I came in late today, so this may have been said, but this looks like a more likely place for Shelly to have gone. It’s remote, isolated, with only one car in the driveway. Maybe they built her an apartment deep in the cave. It seemed like the other CST location had too many cars around. Seems like someone would have seen her and come forth.

    • Dave wouldn’t want it too isolated. They need watchers, and watchers to watch the watchers, and guards. Plus it’s not that physically isolated. Trementina, New Mexico would be the best location for that.

      Edit: Actually, the best place would be that one that we have no idea about or its GPS coordinates.

      • sizzle8

        Maybe that cross on top of the hill marks the spot…

      • Username

        Ah, yes. I forgot that when I think of what tiny tot would do, I need to think more like a sociopath.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah, that’s what’s missing from my life too! ; )

  • flyonthewall
  • Frodis73

    Ok dog lovers, we need to convince MSU to bench this animal abuser for more than one game and I hope he is charged with a crime. He is a pathetic coward. I am so sad for this beautiful dog, her recovery will be tough.

    https://www.change.org/p/dave-steckel-give-luca-a-voice-0e78ccb8-c55a-41a7-9c6b-ce1f3f69319c?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=656681&alert_id=QkLOmCKCcJ_cXWXDIcxk7kEbA%2F%2F6Bob3cSRzGsD6utJyyOn3Mo056Q%3D

    • Liberated

      Charge that piece of shit with a crime.

      • Frodis73

        I know, I am so outraged. Somebody would have had to pull me off of him if that was my dog.

    • Baby

      I couldn’t even go there doggie.. your words were enough. MSU benched him for one game.. Sickening.
      What an asshole

      • Frodis73

        You can still sign the petition though, just dont read the story.

  • Observer
    • flyonthewall

      if they catch him based on her sketch she should get a reward. The shark, if they catch the shark, not the robber I mean. Robber is prob long gone by now

  • Michelle Sterling

    Congrats Tony! May the enturbulation long continue 🙂

    • Baby
    • Welcome newb lurker! Just kidding <3

    • TonyOrtega

      Thank you! Love the Natter Blog.

      • Thank you to both of you for providing a platform to all DodoTheLasers out there.

      • Michelle Sterling

        Thanks! You know I do love a natter 🙂

        • flyonthewall

          I also love the natter blog. Prob more than Tony even

          • We still need an ASC leader…

            • flyonthewall

              I’m flattered but I’m really more of a henchman

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Not a shock collar?

            • Michelle Sterling

              Yeah no bugger is willing to stand up & take the job. We are a bunch of panty-waisted dilettantes I’m afraid.

            • May be the leader of Anonymous will sign up.

            • Ella Raitch

              He gets my vote. He looks very nattery.

          • Baby

            well I love it 47x more than you..
            As far as you can count X as far as you can count..( wait..shit you can’t count that high..)

            infinity x infinity= how much I love it.

            • flyonthewall

              drat, foiled again!

            • Baby

              Yep! Wait.. you could square it or somethin

      • Baby

        Really? There’s a natter blog.. I must check it out.

      • iampissed
  • aegerprimo

    Off topic – but not. I’ve been amazed by the music included in these drone videos. Such appropriate and amazing music…. last week I discovered this amazing App – Soundhound that you can hum a tune or play the song and it will tell you title of song and artist. So I used the app to find out what music was being used for the drone flyover videos. Most of the music is by a composer named Chris Zabriskie.

    Here is what the app found for me…

    GOLD BASE VIDS

    #1 – I Am a Man Who Will Fight For Your Honor – by Chris Zabriskie
    #2 – Light Awash Alpha – by Kevin MacLeod

    CST TWIN PEAKS

    #3 -There’s Probably No Time – by Chris Zabriske

    CRESTON RANCH

    #4 – could not identify
    #5 – could not identify

    CST UNDERGROUND VAULT

    #6 – Waltz of Flowers – by Tchaiskovsky
    #7 – I Don’t See the Branches I See the Leaves – by Chris Zabriskie

    • aegerprimo

      Okaaaaaayyy… just trying to help people.

      • flyonthewall

        It’s a good list, thanks for putting it together! I suggested he use Flight of the Valkyries if he ever does Trementina

        • aegerprimo

          Good suggestion!

          • flyonthewall

            that’s pretty impressive you knew all that music. Everything but Waltz of Flowers seems kind of obscure but maybe it’s just bc I don’t listen to that type of music

            • aegerprimo

              Google is my friend

            • flyonthewall

              how do you google the music in a youtube vid?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes please, I want to know this too.

            • stanrogers

              Well, you could try reading aeg’s original posting, where all of the secrets are given away right after the ellipsis… but some folks might consider that cheating.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Shut up you!

              …fair point…

            • flyonthewall

              ooohhhhh, so like…ok I get it now! Thnx!

            • Libertylover

              Play it into your phone, it can identify tune and artist quite a lot of the time.Works on your car radio too.

            • aegerprimo

              I used the app on my phone to listen to the music in the YouTube video played on a video on my tablet.

            • flyonthewall

              I’m sorry, I glossed over your post and just focused on the music list. Sorry for making you repeat yourself

            • aegerprimo

              Wonderful fuzzy fly, I love you.

      • Baby

        Thanks Aegie… so glad I got to see you today.. The music is stunning.. xoxo

    • pluvo

      When the drone flyover from the Trementina Base in New Mexico comes up, I would like some music from “Mars Attacks!”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9Pc1NBHgg

    • meerameezer (wogsy)

      Thanks, AP! : ) How’s your computer?

      • aegerprimo

        I turned it over to a professional. No news good or bad yet.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I was looking at the testimonials on that old “I am a $cientologist” website. Obviously, it hasn’t been updated in ages but you’d think they would at least delete Nancy Cartwright’s dead fiance Steve Brackett. I know that clams are getting to be as rare as hen’s teeth but a clam who committed suicide isn’t really a ‘winning’ spokesperson for your cult, is it? SMH
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb6e70ccb6c4ba785162080b17d4234323552b00636fe34aa2d38c82e028c19a.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/84d3822eb811d5cb4295eedc7c36aae15b42adc6523d1b8a55b8eab7430eacb3.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/301c3c9a308163e58d0d1f37ddaa54e3bf08549561274f444c04f88f522057e4.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0796c26bca2e400937350e18417c88a077c1d1dd678ce68e9c1dd058de838fd2.png

    • Baby

      WOW.. Damn Nancy.. show some respect..delete that damn thing.

    • kemist

      Even if the guy was still alive, looking at that gives me flashbacks from 1995.

      If any of them had any self-respect, they’d take those things down.

    • iampissed

      This better to be thought a fool
      Then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt

      • iampissed

        Ref to last view

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Oooff. That makes me feel a little queasy.

  • What’sup

    Zoltan is great, is breakdancer, is Kung Fu. Bunker also great, have Birthday! Some people not like Bunker but they not I understand like Zoltan. Congratulation Tony guy, you good guy, not very good Scientologist, but good guy. I help with you Bunker, I make better. You call?

    • Frodis73

      I in big troubble…or something like that.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I knew the clams would try and take credit for this, UGH!
    ETA: Colombia
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/939b50aa4b22cd3e101d538796dbf33b529e86693740bb385cbdd2d332f4dbb2.png

    • LongtimeLurker

      Yeah, it was guaranteed.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    4 years ago today.
    A tragic example of the CO$’s inability to help those with serious mental health/ drug issues. RIP
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b527cb0b00f235d96ac22ac1f9f1242fc51e460774121fbf267829f15734a1c.png

    • LongtimeLurker

      A tragic example of Scientology’s tendency to exacerbate serious mental health / drug issues.

      I’d argue.

    • flyonthewall

      he also literally ripped apart her cat

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yeah. Please don’t remind me.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Congratulations Tony (and Ella).

    And personal thanks. The articles and The Bunker people mean a lot to me.

    • Thank you for making me smile a lot.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Nuh-uh. Thank you my friend.

  • MrsLurksALot

    Tony, many congrats on the Bunker’s 4 year anniversary! I’ve been around for approx. 3 of those years and am so glad I fell down the rabbit hole and landed in the Bunker.

    First chance I’ve had to check in today. First day went at new job went well, a little overwhelming, but welcoming. Wouldn’t you know it, but my first day there and there is no Internet. New fiber optics were being installed, an upgrade they told me was too long in coming. So, because I refuse to use my cellular data, I couldn’t even read today’s post until now. Can’t wait to check out the latest drone footage.

    Thanks to all the bunker-rues for the well wishes and advice yesterday. You all made my cold heart a little warmer last night. Gonna go grab some food, pet the kitties and then pay some attention to Mr. LaL. I hope I’ll then have a chance to watch today’s videos.

    Kisses, y’all!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Congratulations on the first day!

      • MrsLurksALot

        Lurker okay today?
        Lurker not angry?
        Lurker obviously got iPad fixed.

        Good Lurker.

        Thanks again for the laugh yesterday.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Lol.

          Pleasure.

    • Juicer77

      Congrats 🙂

      • MrsLurksALot

        Thanks, girl!

    • beauty for ashes

      Woo Hoo!!!!!!!

  • Fast walker

    Tony you are a blast, you have given us hope, I still practise the religion, but outside, I certainly admire your enormous courage, carry on, we need you, have to ever considered getting yourself some Levels 0 to IV auditing outside the Church, try it man, you want be sorry, you would have a new fresh view on the subjetc. LRH was a hellava man.

    • chukicita

      Maybe you got something out of it — good for you — but it’s not for everyone. I think the more you know about it, the more you realize the good things about it aren’t unique to Scientology and can be found elsewhere for a whole lot less financial, emotional, personal and social expense. I don’t have to try heroin to know it’s not good for me.

      • flyonthewall

        stop being a drug bigot!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Tony’s tried auditing, right? In the spirit of…science?

        Or am I misremembering?

    • flyonthewall
    • the effervescent mongoloid

      Almost everything LRH said is demonstrably false or gibberish. I offer up his axioms as proof as well as any almost any one of his popular quotes. Scientology does produce temporary feelings of elation but they don’t add up to a cumulative enhancement that makes a long time practitioner any more superior than one of his non-scientology counterparts. Placebo does have limited efficacy and that is what scientology is at its best, a placebo.

    • Jimmy3, is that you?

    • Libertylover

      How do we get hold of you, I might give it a try. Where do you audit? I’m in NY. What State are you in?

      • the effervescent mongoloid

        A delusional state.

        • LongtimeLurker

          That’s mean.

          Good stuff.

        • meerameezer (wogsy)

          Doesn’t our beloved Karen still audit? Is she delusional? Because she seems to be doing pretty well to me. Why do you have to be in a delusional state to receive auditing?

          • meerameezer (wogsy)

            *crickets*

            Yeah, I didn’t think anyone would go there.

          • the effervescent mongoloid

            “Our” beloved Karen who? I didn’t say one has to be in a delusional state to receive auditing. You are misrepresenting me. My “delusional” comment was aimed at the remark about Hubbard being, “quite a guy”.

    • kemist

      It’s good that you are free.

      Don’t be afraid to try “other practices” yourself.

    • JaxNGold

      I have no issues with people’s beliefs and practices they find helpful. But were you being sarcastic when you said LRH was a “helluva man”? If not, let’s look at the reality. LRH developed an organization to control people; to brainwash them. He lied about almost everything. He was a cruel and insidious man who took pleasure in hurting and enslaving people. Doesn’t sound so great…at all.

  • SLIM

    Hey Tony..
    I’m watching you on TV on
    Chasing Conspiracies…The Hollywood syndicate..
    Funny, cause I’m reading the blog and your lovely face comes on..
    Thunderbolts and Lightning…..Very Very Frightening…

    • LongtimeLurker

      Yo dawg, I heard you like Tony Ortega, so we put…etc, etc.

      • SLIM

        What’s not to like..Dawgette?
        Talking about Hoffman killed for his betrayal..
        An other far fetched stuff like that..

        • flyonthewall

          Dustin Hoffman? Who did he betray? He’s not even dead

        • LongtimeLurker

          I was riffing on that stupid Pimp My Ride meme about XZibit. If you don’t know it, good. Don’t fill your head up with nonsense.

          I agree what’s not to like, sounds interesting.

          • SLIM

            Didn’t know it…
            Tony saying that HBO had a 2 part Clam
            Bio-pic that got shut down..
            And that the BBC can no longer show the Sweeney show…P.S.Hoffman was fair gamed..

            • LongtimeLurker

              That HBO thing sounds interesting.

            • Ella Raitch

              Was the PSH bit mentioned in the show?

            • SLIM

              Yes…Talked about him getting fair gamed…
              Something about his drug taking and perhaps their collusion..They showed Leah Remini talking great things about Loon Ron…Then flashed Ex-Scientologist on the screen..Funny stuff..

            • Ella Raitch

              Ugh – as if COS wasn’t despicable enough already. Now we have to add the hounding of our finest actors.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Nooooo!!! Please tell me no. I mean…it’s not like I didn’t wonder. But please tell me no anyway.

            • Ella Raitch

              I am going to watch it and I will let you know. Of course I wondered but discussion here tended to reject the idea as a bit too tin foil.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              OK, I’ll wait for your word. I trust your judgment.

    • stanrogers

      Galileo Figaro! That’s enough to make a person wonder whether it’s real life or just fantasy.

    • OOkpik

      Keep watching.
      Maybe it will knock your sock off.

      • SLIM

        Don’t wear sock….
        There goes that theory…
        I do wear underpants though..

    • Flying High

      This is the episode with a description and the attached picture shows that one can go-online and view it rather cheaply. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef5f65f170158c8e4426d30485b2153ed64e7c9b0b1f86fc43ef9bfb2517873c.png

  • Kestrel

    Happy Fourth Birthday, Tony! Thanks to your efforts I’ve learned more here than I ever thought there was to know about scientology and its history.

  • To our beloved drone pilot. I do not know if you read these comments, but I love the Waltz of the Flowers, by Tchaikovsky. I vote for Egyptian March by Johann Strauss II next. Then Moonlight Sonata by Beethoven. Thank you! Love the videos. Keep ’em coming. If you can reach out to someone maybe we can time one of your flyovers with a protest. Wouldn’t that be fun! No one has to see you. You can maintain your anonymity.

    • Frodis73

      I love this idea.

  • Username

    As I am a bit new, what was the first post 4 years ago that started it all?

    • Frodis73

      I do not have the link handy, but it was a review about the movie The Master.

      • Baby

        I came in so pissed.. How can I find my first post Doggie..I have no idea.. I do know something snapped in me.. and I had to VENT..

        • Frodis73

          Something snapped in you in your first post? I want to read that one! I do not know how to find our first posts. I know Triple D does because he posted his earlier. I forgot to ask him how he did that.

          • Baby

            OH Yeah.. I know I said the EFF word.. first post..
            hahha.. and get this

            Tony himself welcomed me.. I think I scared him and he wanted to test my mental health.

            • stanrogers

              There’s a lot of that going around. I think we can (mostly) be described using the words Tom Waits used to introduce his band on Nighthawks at the Diner:

              They all come from good families, but over the years they just
              kind of individually developed some ways about them that just aren’t right.

            • Baby

              Bawwwwwwwwwwwhahahaha.. OMG Stan.. Yep just like that..

            • Frodis73

              Too funny.

        • Username

          I’m looking for it!

          • Baby

            Oh good .. thanks sweetie

    • LongtimeLurker
      • Username

        ..Thanks. This is great. Many of the names are very familiar! ..

        • LongtimeLurker

          Pleasure.

    • Username

      ..

  • EnthralledObserver

    OT:
    Hands up if you’re okay with the US handing over control of the internet to foreign governments!

    • flyonthewall

      only if they hand it over to Putin

      • EnthralledObserver

        Well… I don’t mind Putin at all… but Russia doesn’t have in its constitution the same protections of ‘free speech’ that the US currently does.

        • flyonthewall

          i thought free speech was just a symptom of the disease of liberal democracy? I confused

          • LongtimeLurker

            Are you sure you want to do this to yourself?

            • meerameezer (wogsy)

              party pooper…

            • LongtimeLurker

              : )

            • meerameezer (wogsy)

              I’m kidding, but I better go before my kitten finds my keyboard, again. Hang in there kiddo !!!! nite…

            • LongtimeLurker

              Nite.

            • flyonthewall

              yes, I enjoy calling out ignorant hypocritical crypto-fascists

            • Baby

              fly.. I will not tell you how to think, but I’m saying E.O is not how you depict her.

            • Frodis73

              I know that too, but the Muslim/immigrant hatred is a bit over the top. I was totally floored and thought I misunderstood her the first time it came up because it was so out of character. Her and I debated back and forth last night…and did not resort to name calling. I am sure she will make me mad from time to time but it’s all good. I still like her, we just disagree about a lot of things…esp about Trump lying every other minute! Lol. Right EO? 🙂

            • Baby

              We are a passionate bunch eh? I don’t even discuss politics.. No way in hell would I ever.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yes – we can disagree.
              Just to correct you though – I never said Trump doesn’t lie – I said I hadn’t seen the evidence for that. When I went to some you pointed to I found the very second one was a false accusation of him lying. That’s all I was pointing out. He may very well lie about some things… (as we all do)… but what I have seen personally (so far) it does not effect my opinion of whether he’s the better option for election at this time.
              Also – please acknowledge the difference I assert between Muslims and Islam. Islam is what I object to. I don’t object to people. I don’t want Islamic ideology or practices in my country.

            • Baby

              I apologize for butting in.. Ain’t none my business fly.. I wasn’t there during the discussion.

            • flyonthewall

              You should know I of all people don’t break out the flamethrower willy-nilly. It wasn’t just one discussion either.

            • Baby

              Yes I should know better. I’m sorry.

            • Bob Crouch

              And Rathbun enjoys calling out ignorant hypocritical ASC members. And how credible or winsome is THAT? Let’s all take a deep breath before another blog turns that way!

          • EnthralledObserver

            You’re confused about what I think and support. You have made up your own version of me to despise based on incorrect stereotypes, sweet, little fly.

            • flyonthewall

              you yourself called liberal democracy a disease. Freedom of speech goes hand in hand with democracy. Maybe you don’t really understand politics and history and are just an ignorant neo-nazi

            • EnthralledObserver

              I hope you screenshot that – because I don’t believe I would have said anything so irrational.
              I am an ardent supporter of democracy.
              I reject progressive (regressive) liberalness/marxism/socialism/egalitarianism.
              Maybe that’s where you’ve gotten confused.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            You need peanut butter. See above.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        May I just say that these exchanges with EO are so much more entertaining when one side of the conversation is blocked.

        • Graham

          Definitely!

        • EnthralledObserver

          *Rabbit ears*
          Shhh… don’t tell 5 Feet I’m here making fun of him/her.

    • meerameezer (wogsy)

      Hi EO! Long time no see! I’m not sure if you remember me. It’s nice to see you around still! *waving*

      • EnthralledObserver

        Of course I remember you! 🙂

        It’s good to see you, too.

        Happy Bunker birthday! 😉

    • Hands up if you’re okay with handing control over the Internet to the US government?

      • EnthralledObserver

        Whilst the US govt is corrupt and criminal… they are still hamstrung by your constitution, which protects free speech including on the internet. So it’s better there than anywhere else.

        • My constitution?

          I’m a Canadian. My server is in Canada. My ISP is a Canadian company. My DNS is provided by an American company No-Ip, which has already been subject to arbitrary action by US courts, downing my site for a week–but I could solve that by moving to a Canadian registrar on a non-US TLD.

          If I went completely non-US, I’d expect to never have to deal with US courts, except that this nonsense of “taking back the Internet” would do exactly that. Take a look at where the top level DNS servers are. If America wanted to arbitrarily control the US DNS servers, it would be a total mess. The world would build a firewall and make you pay for it.

          Hands off our tubes Republicans!

          • EnthralledObserver

            I misspoke… I never intended to assume you were American. My bad. I usually deliberately try to assume you might not be… forgive me.
            Pretend I said “the US Constitution”. 😉

    • By the way, the question incorrectly assumes that the US ever had formal control over the Internet.

      • EnthralledObserver

        As far as I understand it belongs to the people of the United States, as the money to develop it came from tax payers.
        The government chose not to interfere too much, but they do have control should they choose to exert as such. But now they plan on giving it away without consultation or debate with the owners – the taxpayer.
        I would be pissed if I was American.
        Especially given the nature of your Constitution ensures the internet remains a space for free speech… and giving this control away means it fall out from under these guarantees which might lead to undue censorship in the future.

        • Robert Eckert

          The money to develop Turing’s original machine came from the taxpayers of the UK. That does not mean that the UK government owns every computer that there is. The idea of the Internet was developed in the United States (but the improvement called the World Wide Web was developed in Switzerland, etc.) This does not mean that every piece of infrastructure is the property of the US government. This is a very confused understanding on your part.

    • Libertylover

      Do you watch or listen to Alex Jones, Enthralled?

      • EnthralledObserver

        I have. Have you?

        • Libertylover

          Yes I watch Alex Jones almost every day. He is fascinating. There are some nuggets of truth, but the spin is incredible.
          I caught Leann Macadoo having an off the cuff conversation with Margaret Howell, very low watched video.
          She was upset because Alex was saying that Hillary was going to win and wouldn’t it be great for the show/ She was saying nooooo it’s terrible.
          Everyday he says Trump is going to win and Hillary will start WW3, so I think it showed he doesn’t believe everything he says.
          The Corbett Report and media monarchy are more honest and accurate for the alternative media. but they don’t sensationalize so they get far less views.
          For example Alex’s video today is saying” World Government Official, UN takes over US”
          It’s very exaggerated to say the least, for a scheme that’s about assigning #’s for internet addresses.

    • Bob Crouch

      Hands up if you’re OK with US government secrets on a crooked politician’s private server in their basement (equipped with PayPal for foreign “donations”).

      • EnthralledObserver

        Definitely not!
        Hillary is so corrupt. She should be in prison!

    • kemist

      I’m not sure I understand this concept in the first place.

      “Internet” is a protocol that’s agreed upon for networks to communicate with one another. The physical infrastructure underneath it belongs to both private and government interests. A government has control of whatever infrastructures belongs to it, like outward facing routers, major fiber optic wiring and sometimes internet exchange points (IXPs).

      Last I looked, all this stuff, worldwide, did not belong to the US.

    • Libertylover

      Your talking about ICAN which deals with naming sites. It’s the DNS system. Essentially it’s a phone book administered by ICAN. The UN is taking over “the phone book” not the whole internet Oct 1st.
      It’s a left over from when the US military started the internet.
      It’s not that important really as you already have sites operating under decentralized namecoin blockchain. If it bothers you so much you can use tools like meowbit and surf the .bit universe.
      Basically when you type a name it first goes to a server (dns) that says what number this is then it sends u on your way to the site and another server.
      So the UN is just taking over the centralized phone book assigning these numbers.
      Don’t listen to Alex Jones, he’s full of shit.

      • Libertylover

        The .bit top level domain provides a censor-resistant alternative to the easily censored .com,net and other government administered top level domains.
        It’s not necessary, but it’s a tool other people in other countries can use. The internet is too complex to be controlled by one agency.
        What does bother me is the NSA collecting everything and using TOR browser is a good alternative to get some level of anonymity. I’ve used it but I get lazy, but it’s good to know it exists if ever things get messy and totalitarian regimes take over, but otherwise Oct 1st “UN takeover” is no big deal.

        • EnthralledObserver

          The UN is corrupt – anything being taken over by the UN should be a concern.

          • Libertylover

            I’m not for globalist ideas that are controlled by the oligarchs, but the world is getting smaller and corporations operate globally and thwart nation States. If us little guys are to survive and not be completely dominated by the will of faceless corporations, world regulations of some sort will need to be embraced.
            Things like the rules in the US that Corporations are legal people and “citizens united” need to be reformed.
            The United Nations is problematic sometimes but it does do good things too. People like the Federal Reserve chairman Janet Yellen don’t serve the people first.
            America needs restore it’s middle class opportunities or there will be big problems ahead for everyone.

        • Thanks for .bit heads-up. I may never use it, but it’s a fascinating idea, and a new use for the blockchain concept.

          There’s also a paranoid ‘live’ Linux distribution, called TAILS which not only uses Tor by default, but leaves no traces of your activity on the computer you use.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thanks. I tried explaining then I deleted.

        Also don’t read Breitbart, they’re full of shit too.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I have listened to Alex Jones and am aware of his reputation. There are still some new nuggets of fact to be gleaned from listening to him… but this time he wasn’t the source (though I know he’s talked about it too).
        I’ve read/listened to a few different sources, but today the newest one was this one…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xu5p_nDcrg

        • Libertylover

          That’s sensationalized EO it’s not really true at all. Trust me, I really do listen to both sides and other alternative views as well, probably more than any one else on this site. I read and watch all the alternative media and the left leaning stuff as well.
          BTW Alex Jones encounter with the Young Turks was one of the funniest things I have ever seen. It exposed their hypocrisy.
          The thing I avoid is the news on the TV, it is just vacuous and really doesn’t tell you much at all.

          • EnthralledObserver

            I try to vary my viewing too. I sort of run around collecting the pieces from all places and put the ones together that seem to make the most sense to me. It’s difficult… the truth is tricky to establish with both sides and everyone in between exaggerating, obfuscating, blustering and inventing. It’s why I keep looking… and collecting even more pieces.
            And sometimes I need to bounce things off others to find out about things (like this internet thing) that I really have no expertise in. Shit… I had to get my 16 year old daughter to do a screenshot on my phone for something today… I’m certainly not techy at all.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Freedom Magazine Special Report: The Four Year Rampage of the Underground Bunker

    A veritable Internet Fortress of Suppression, the Underground Bunker has broadcast entheta 24/7/365 to a global audience of over-caffeinated wogs for four consecutive Earth years now.

    But what are the real facts?

    “The Underground Bunker is infinitely more dangerous than even premature exposure to the OT materials,” warned Dr. Ken Delusion, CO of Flag’s Nuclear Physics Implanting Unit #3.

    “To demonstrate the dangerousness of the Underground Bunker,” said Dr. Delusion, “we took two downstat Scientology publics who were on the verge of being declared and had them actually read the Underground Bunker on their laptops. The deadly and catastrophic results speak for themselves:

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/brainshock.gif?w=379&h=292

    “These downstats were blown fifty feet out of their heads and cognited on the importance of immediately rushing back on course in their Org and donating for their next higher IAS status level. Don’t let this happen to you! Don’t read the Underground Bunker!”

    • LongtimeLurker

      I was there that day. I still can’t get the smell of burnt hair out of my clothes.

      Good times.

      • Baby

        Lurk.. what is your ribbon for? I miss your face.. xo but I respect ribbons.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Hi Baby. It’s Autism awareness. Left over from yesterday.

          Face back tomorrow.

          edit – xoxoxo

          • Always Amazed

            Never too late to be aware;)

            • Baby

              Amen ..absolutely Amen!

          • Baby

            OF Course.. My old eyes.. Perfect.. xo

            • LongtimeLurker

              Nah, it’s pretty bloody small.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        I was there that day. I still can’t get the smell of burnt hair out of my clothes.

        While some bigots in the ASC derided Flag’s testing of the dangerousness of the Underground Bunker as life-threatening and reckless quack experiments on hapless Scientology downstats, Dr. Ken Delusion defended his work as offering unimpeachable scientific evidence of the harm caused by reading entheta on the internet.

        “Both of the Scientology volunteers in this experiment lost 12.5 years of case gain as measured by the OCA,” said Dr. Delusion. “Therefore, we can statistically conclude that reading even one day of the Underground Bunker results in a one year loss of case gain.”

    • Ella Raitch

      I reject this completely. I am caffeine free!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        My condolences.

        • Ella Raitch

          I have an abundance of energy – adding caffeine makes me nuclear

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Girl, you need to bottle that Ella Juice. You’d make a fortune. ; )

    • iampissed

      Would you consider working for a small publication called freedom?

      • Baby

        YES.. I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING.. I got stories.. lots and lots of stories pissed..

  • Kestrel

    Just a personal observation. I don’t think that’s a vault entrance. It looks like a reach-in utility box that’s only about 10 feet across. There is shadow behind it which suggests it is not flush with the earth, and I don’t think it is behind the black fence that surrounds the houses and gardens.

    • Baby

      I will check it out again Kes..

    • That’s what I thought too, but I haven’t had a chance for full screen examination yet.

  • Observer
  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Sorry I got here so late today… happy anniversary Bunker!

    • Baby

      Where in the hell ya been 2? I’ve missed ya..

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Hi Baby! I’m here, but it’s been a lot of scanning and running… work overfloweth. I will not give up my ASC card though! Things ok in your neck of the woods?

        • Baby

          OH hell no.. Once an ASC always an ASC.. Hanging in darling..thanks..You sound busy.. Good News/ bad new eh? smooches..

  • Baby

    Bunker Babe is tugging on my shirt.. She has to make an appearance for our Anniversary.. She doesn’t really know why she is so popular, but I have 2 reasons I can think of.. f5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d3bdf55aad19578c3df94dbc45865b11fae472884fa035f13c59461905957b1e.gif

    • Ella Raitch

      Her perspicacity and loquaciousness?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Exactly!

    • beauty for ashes

      she displays a depth of emotion I cannot convey in words. But as a woman I often feel. Haaaaaaa!

      • Baby

        Ain’t that the truth Beauty..xo

  • Are_sics

    Happy Anniversary, all!

  • One advantage for this vault location is that there’s a casino just up the road for when COB is visiting.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Subject: World Religions. Topic: Difference and similarities in belief systems. For Educational Purposes Only. Copied from Carnegie-Mellon University, Touretsky site.

    1969
    OT VIII
    SECRET

    WHY THETANS MOCK UP
    This question has been the most plaguing one in Dianetics and Scientology.
    This question has been the most plaguing one in history of Clearing.

    The ONLY way a thetan ever gets into trouble, the ONLY way he can get trapped or become part of a cluster is by mocking up and making pictures of bad experiences.

    And why record all bad experiences? This too is not good sense.

    One can explain it by saying that thetans become bored and have “a yearning for event or excitement” or that thetans mock up pictures as an aberrated form of “havingness.” Other ways can be invented to explain why thetans compulsively mock up bad pictures, but these do not factually lead to a total solution to the compulsion.

    The real reason stems from a basic characteristic of thetans and that is

    “a thetan never totally gives up.”

    There is, seemingly, a streak of resistance or resentment that makes a thetan wish to persist in the same place or location. If he cannot, he will do so covertly.

    The definition of “power” is “the ability to hold a position in space.” All power comes from the ability to occupy a point. In an electrical generator the base that separates two terminals must be firm or there will be no exchange of energy or power generated.

    The effort to weaken a thetan is to make him relinquish his point in space. Covertly or overtly a thetan seeks to assert his position in space. If he cannot do so overtly, he does so covertly or mentally.

    When a thetan is moved unwillingly from a point or position he even then refuses to give up that point and begins MOCKS IT UP mentally. He also mocks up the events of his departure as a part of the action of mocking up the point he is leaving. This, unwittingly, gives him a picture, an engram.

    Now let us see if this theory holds true in practice.

    A. Just ahead of any engram there must be an effort to retain a position and there must be a point or location thetan mocked up.

    This is true. You can blow an engram without running it by spotting its first point in space and time. In a secondary, “where did you first hear of the loss?” is a vital question.

    B. In a contact assist getting a person to touch again the point where he was hurt with what was hurt will blow the engram.

    C. Getting a person to locate areas (locations) that are not safe produce blows of engrams without running them.

    D. Exact and accurate dating sometimes blows an engram. Those times when it does not, it should blow when the location is exactly spotted.

    E. Implants and traps were done mainly to keep Thetans out of an area. The Thetan, resenting and resisting, mocks up the place anyway and so implants himself.

    A thetan too easily substitutes a mental mock up for a point in the real universe.

    One could also say that a thetan, by mocking up, warns himself against certain points in space or areas in the physical universe.

    Anxiety is solely not thetan able to be certain places and not thetan able to be where one is, either.

    Making people leave is the most unpopular action unless one also frees them to be anywhere.

    Transferring people is a degrading thing to do to them.

    Jail denies a thetan all spaces except where he has been placed; note that thetans are made very miserable in jail. Jailing is a sure way to make confirmed criminals and also to make them crazy as well.
    RPF anyone?

    Any thetan, stuck in an engram, is asserting the effort to be at and hold the point where he was hit at the beginning of that engram. An engram therefore is a refusal to leave a place at which force was exerted to drive one away.

    Reversely, one can refuse to be held at a place where one does not wish to be but this is a negation of a place, a not-is of it and its time.

    Power of choice over where one is and where one is not is thus a key to engrams.

    Finally – a thetan mocks up because he covertly refuses to abandon a location under duress and not-ises the place where he does not wish to be but must.

    Using these facts one can blow engrams without running them.

    Some sample questions:
    “What point (location) is unsafe?”
    “What location could you have held absolutely?”
    “Where did you first get an intimation of danger?”
    “What place would you rather not be in?”
    “What effort would it take to hold (that) (a) location?”

    Working with this you will see a door open to a higher level than Dianetic R3R. But realize that it is only for a high level thetan.

    LRH: rs L. RON HUBBARD

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Anxiety is solely not thetan able to be certain places and not thetan able to be where one is, either.”

      Good sentence, Ron.

      • More Mombo jumbooo than usual, but hey we are to stupid to understand it.
        Someone once said to me, the reason you can’t understand it is because there is nothing to understand. So i went off in the sunset with an end-phenomenon!

      • May I suggest a streamlined creative procedure for the modern guru.

        1) Write out an everyday insight
        2) Translate it into Klingon online
        3) Translate the Klingon into Japanese
        4) Translate the Japanese back into English
        5) Present the result as if it is eternal wisdom, in front of an audience who will snigger at anyone who admits they don’t understand it.
        6) Discard the people who don’t pretend they understand, and concentrate on those that do.

    • Baby

      And you wonder why people get Mind F*cked.

      • Hey! There is a perfectly Scientological explanation on all this…. Thetans does get bored, so they muck up weird stuff Homo sapiens don’t understand, including them self.
        ETA: It’s a Win Win situation!

        • Baby

          OMG my eyes have been opened up.. wow.. so self explanatory

    • OOkpik

      LRH, the bloviating blabbermouth, hath spoken.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    We should all all show up on Easter. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?

    • Rolling Egg’s ?

      • Baby

        rolling eyes..

  • Lady Squash

    Happy Birthday, Tony and thank you for the Underground. I check in every day!

  • OOkpik

    I was looking back at Tony’s first Underground Bunker post and found Howdy (and Sugar Plum Fairy) in the comments. Good times! They still are, but…I do miss Howdy (and SPF).

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c960a7467edd371136eeabc86476be32f9ddf1596675b7ec825eb23a828ccc0.gif
    eta: Gaah! Disqus speeded this way up. Sorry.

    • Baby

      so cute owl..hahha

  • Gus_Cox

    OK, so I was going to scroll ahead to the cat, but the music was sublime so I watched the whole thing.

    • Juicer77

      KITTEH!

  • Tony Ortega

    Whoa. Our story about Zoltan the breakdancer may turn out to be the most-read Bunker story of all time.

    I guess it hit a nerve.

    • Vault Digger

      You’re inside the big troubble now Tony.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Congratulations!

      Based on ‘unique visits’ or whatever, yeah?

    • Ella Raitch

      Zoltan’s stats are up…

    • Newiga

      That’s interesting considering you’ve covered everything from celebrity defection stories to Shelly Miscavige. Is this based on unique readers per first days after publishing or…?

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      “… may turn out to be the most-read Bunker story of all time, so far.”FIFY 😉

    • How many pageviews?

    • Scientology-watching is a relatively specialised interest with a small (but committed) audience.

      Connect it to a BBC story about the abuse of vulnerable people and autism and a lot more people are going to take an interest.

      With luck, it introduced a lot of visitors who previously thought of Scientology as an eccentric belief system to the fact it it is cruelly manipulative on a massive scale, and thinks it is above the law. That’s the kind of popular attitude change that politicians and authorities worldwide might notice.

      This is an upstat that makes a difference.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Énekelj együtt Zoltán, mindenkinek!

    Nos, mi ez az új érzés jön ki az utcára
    Mindenki erről beszél, ahol azok megfelelnek
    Le a sarokban, kapok a hőt
    Ezután a lábam elkezd mozogni a ritmikus üt

    Breakdancing, kitör
    Breakdancing, kitör

    Azt szokta a mozgás, nem a bunkó és a csavar
    De egyszerűen nem soha nem volt semmi, mint ez
    Most popping és rögzítő egy új módon beszél
    A dolgok működni fog, az biztos fonás â ?? a padlón

    Breakdancing, kitör
    Breakdancing, kitör

  • Fink Jonas

    I never new this location existed, I wander if the local Christian church know that this ugly organization is just waiting for the world to crumble so they can claim they are the legitimate spiritual religion in the world that existed for trillenia. In Teegeeak and Christianity oh! that was just a bad dream that Judas Iscariot had and contaminated the world but we are here now with our S symbol like a snake come in come all we are the only religion left and so they wish.

  • Juicer77

    I peeked in at the AMA. Good questions being asked. Thanks for participating, Tony and Paulette!

  • Shayne

    I was surprised that there seemed to be so few people milling about, or cars, in these fly-overs, considering how enormous the properties are. Did they all scramble indoors when the drone showed up? Where are the sea org members housed?

    • To answer your question now! – I think we are all guessing that the reason there noone on the flyovers is because there are not many people left. 10-20 years ago there would be many more.

  • Pandora’s Box

    I really never knew what Scientology was until a couple of months ago when I watched the HBO special “Going Clear”. In the 70’s I thought it was a Hollywood religion that required lots of $’s to study theology (like a college) but I couldn’t afford it. Then I was told it was an Alien religion for them and I was like OK, well actors have always sort of been lost in their own ego massaging, weird world anyway, I still can’t afford it.

    I was born in 1958 and remember the mid 70’s when everyone was reading “I’m OK, Your OK” and a new interest in “Dianetics” popped up. I read both but neither one told me anything I didn’t already know. I guess I was not really searching for anything. I was just enjoying life.

    I knew who LRH was – a fiction author my brother read; and because we traveled with my Dad to several countries, I knew who Crowley was – a very evil man who was run out of Italy, but I didn’t know how close he was to LRH. We grew up in a diverse family of Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians and went to Catholic schools. My sister in law is from China and is Buddhist, my husband is Hispanic and some of my life long best friends are Jewish. Several members of my family have been in the military – Marines and Air Force. I consider myself to be a very open minded and non judgmental person, BUT this scares me.

    This religion (I’m calling it that only to make a point) is dangerous because these people really BELIEVE LRH’s fiction (even though he didn’t believe it and told them so (L. Ron Hubbard – ‘I’m just kidding you mostly’ (1952)). He has dressed them up in uniforms resembling the military for his own private army (probably because he was such a failure at his own military career and needs to compensate for it) and is training them on techniques used to remove yourself from a torturous situation if your captured as a military POW (at least that is what I took away from the video of Stacy Brooks and Jessie Prince showing us what the TRs were all about). It’s one thing if a person joins the military knowing they are being trained for war, but it’s quite another when someone joins an organization for a good cause and spiritual growth only to get blindsided with anagram speaking, vulgar, insulting, financially draining, non empathetic, screaming in your face, selfish ASSHOLES. The icing on the cake is LRH’s view on children – to leave a 4 year old locked in a dark, wet anchor chain hole crying, is nothing but a Sadist, but I think its worse for the other adults to just stand there like zombies and let the MFkr get away with it. I’m sorry but, they’ve joined what I call a CULT.

    It’s dangerous because they are so secretive and not the “great prize at the end” secret, I mean OT VIII = Survive? WTF is that all about? They spend millions to learn we need to survive??? I’ve looked at the drone videos, which are great by the way, and the properties all look so beautiful and peaceful, but there are hundreds of horror stories about what is taking place behind closed doors down there. And to keep the Dogma that secret, well the government should be all over that one. And the most secretive of all is the COB David Miscavige is a Hitler is the making, maybe worse Hitler and Jim Jones combined, because he has multi billionaires backing him up. He can’t loose the tax exemption or the billionaires will loose the tax deduction. I think that would be disastrous for all Scientologists.

    There is a lot more I’ve seen but I guess I’ve gone on long enough. I want to thank you for putting this site together and giving persons like me a place to learn about it and vent. I looked at their website, but honestly, no one is that happy. It’s just a come on, an act, a sales pitch and they sound stupid, silly and childish – then I started seeing they “worship” LRH. Well, I couldn’t get off the site quick enough. What is really being done about this group and the abuses they commit?

  • Ann B Watson

    I just got to watch the Lady Washington mine fly over.To the drone pilot much applause,wonderful perspectives.It was perculiar for me as I kept watching & realizing I could be seeing the vaulted vaults where all mankind will worship Ron DM and the Tech.Lol.As I was thinking the former I suddenly realized that I feel the entire cult has gone completely Nuts.Seriously deranged.During both videos I thought of all the labor put into carving up hillsides for Scientology.And the crimes committed still in the cult’s name.❤️