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That time Scientology’s Sea Org grunts donned cut-offs and bikinis to fake out L. Ron Hubbard

Gary_Morehead

 
So much has happened since we returned from the last leg of our book tour that we’ve hardly had a chance to look back on the really remarkable things that took place during our trip to places like Minneapolis and Vancouver, BC.

In Seattle, we had a real treat meeting Gary Morehead for the first time. Known under his code name “Jackson” during his Scientology days, Gary was the chief of security at the Gold Base for nearly all of the period between 1982 and 1997, and he has told some amazing tales of those days. But he saved a really wild one for us when we sat down with him for a meal before our talk at Razzi’s Pizzeria on September 28.

It involved, of all things, Steve Wozniak’s “US Festival,” the massive outdoor music party the Apple inventor threw for himself in Southern California over the Labor Day weekend in 1982.

Your proprietor was fortunate enough to attend the first day of the second US Festival, over Memorial Day in 1983. So we have some sense of the truly incredible sprawl of the scene when Woz shelled out huge money to bring together an astounding slate of acts for his two festivals. Wozniak estimates that he lost about $15 million for the two parties he threw for a combined total of about a million music fans. Music writers say that it’s a shame the festivals have largely been forgotten; they were remarkably trouble-free and anticipated the festival scene that would emerge with Coachella and Lollapalooza years later. Just look at this lineup for the 1982 show…

Friday: Gang of Four, The Ramones, The English Beat, Oingo Boingo, The B-52s, Talking Heads, The Police

Saturday: Dave Edmunds, Eddie Money, Santana, The Cars, The Kinks, Pat Benatar, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers

Sunday: The Grateful Dead, Jerry Jeff Walker, Hoyt Axton, Jimmy Buffett, Jackson Browne, Fleetwood Mac

 
USFest

 
The concerts took place at Glen Helen Park in San Bernardino, which is about 45 miles north of Gold Base, also known as Int Base or Int to the Sea Organization workers who lived there.

Gary reminded us that L. Ron Hubbard’s vaunted return to science fiction, the publication of Battlefield Earth, was also happening around that time. And he was part of a quirky mission that someone at Gold Base had dreamed up. Gary was part of a group of Sea Org workers from the base who went to the first US festival to man a booth to promote Hubbard’s new book.

Sinar Parman and Mark Fisher also went, and corroborated what Gary remembered. Two days before the festival itself started, they set up a big tent for Author Services, Inc., which was one of the new corporate entities set up after Hubbard went into permanent seclusion in February, 1980. ASI was created to be Hubbard’s literary agency, and it wanted to get some attention for Hubbard’s 1,050-page space saga.

In the center of the tent stood a scale model of the villain Terl — all 10 feet of him — and he was chained between two walls. (It was Gary’s job to keep an eye on it to make sure it didn’t fall over and hurt someone.) The other workers in the booth were dressed in kilts, like Jonnie Goodboy Tyler and his fellow rebels. Chick Corea was there as well, performing songs from the Space Jazz album, which had been recorded specifically to be played as a soundtrack to the book. Here’s how one publication described it at the time:

Those who stopped to ask what the fuck an otherwise respectable jazz man like Corea was doing shilling for a bad Sci Fi author, plinking out loud, raspy monophonic computer tones while standing in front of a very tasteful ten-foot-tall replica of a Psychlo chained between two walls, well, those people were blocked by — er, greeted by — booth attendees dressed up like kilted Scotsmen with rayguns stuck in their immodestly large sporrans.

Fisher tells us that, in fact, the music did have an odd quality to it. “The Gold musicians had a computerized synth that was new. It was before the Synclavier. I can’t remember the name of it. It made music sound stupid in my opinon, but Hubbard loved it.”

We found a few other press accounts of the festival that mention Scientology’s bizarre booth and its giant manacled Psychlo. But none of the press stories include the wild coda to the tale, which Gary told us about.

After they got back to the base, Gary says, they learned that one of the guys in charge of getting publicity photos of the event — one of the main reasons for doing it — had failed to do his job.

“He was too busy during the festival getting laid,” Gary told us with a laugh.

Norman Starkey, one of the leaders at ASI, was livid. So he ordered Gary and the others to set up the tent again, as well as the Terl figure, but this time on the property of the base itself.

If they had failed to get the photos of music fans at the US Festival looking entertained at Scientology’s tent, then they’d just have to make it happen back at Gold Base, they were told.

Fisher remembers it as well. “The publicity photos had to be sent up to LRH. So they had to fake them,” he says.

“It took a couple of weeks to do it,” Gary adds. “The whole base was down there, and we’d be up all night.”

So the workers at Scientology’s Gold Base re-created the US Festival to fool Hubbard, who was in permanent hiding, and whose location none of them knew. The tent and Terl were set up, the musicians played music (but without Corea), and the kilted characters waved their rayguns.

But to make the scene complete, they needed to recreate the festival crowds. Base workers had to ditch their regular Sea Org uniforms and put on shorts, T-shirts, and, for the women, bikinis.

“I didn’t mind it, because there were these women at the base who were drop-dead gorgeous, and they were running around in these bikinis. Wow!” Gary says.

The guy who had screwed up at the actual festival now had to get convincing photos that would look believable to Hubbard. Gary says the photographer got up on a tall ladder, had the fake music fans swarm around, and then he’d yell “freeze!” to get everyone to hold still as he snapped photos.

“The problem was, some of them actually looked like they were holding still,” Gary says with a laugh. He says many other shots were taken that were closeups of individual “festival goers.”

“There were photos of Terl, of music fans holding rayguns on him, people showing curiosity in Terl. And there were pictures with the musicians,” he says. “The whole base was there because we needed the bodies. And because we needed different faces. You couldn’t use the same people over and over again.”

Gary says they got to see the photos, but he doesn’t know if they were ever shown to the public. “I rarely left the base, so I don’t know if they were ever actually used for publicity.”

We sure would love to see them. If they’re still in the vaults at ASI, that may be a tough proposition. But maybe there’s someone out there with copies. We sure would love to see Terl and those Sea Org drudges prancing around like they were footloose festival goers!

Hey, wait. Could this be the US Festival Terl?

 
Terl

 
This full-size Terl was apparently donated by Hubbard fan Edward Marsh as part of the $2.25 million science fiction collection he donated to San Diego State University a couple of years ago. Could it be the same monster psychlo? We suppose it’s more likely it was a prop made for promotion of the 2000 movie version of Battlefield Earth. We’ll try to find out, when we have a minute.

Scientology. It’s always weirder than you think.

 
UPDATE 1: Our own “Techie” fills us in on the synth device whose name Mark Fisher had a hard time remembering: “The sampler Mark is talking about was the Fairlight. With a pitiful 24K sample rate and old ratty converters it truly sounded awful, but you could sample a lion’s roar or a lamb’s bleat and play them as notes. Unfortunately they both sound almost alike, the main thing you hear is the low resolution Fairlight sound. It was featured in the background on the famously unlistenable “Windsplitter” song from the Space Jazz album. I can be considered a primary source on this, the Fairlight was one of the pieces of equipment I was in charge of maintaining as Studio II Technician on the Gold Base.”

UPDATE 2: Since the festival lineup seems to be generating some discussion, here’s the day one slate for the second event, on Memorial Day 1983, that your proprietor attended: Berlin, Divinyls, INXS, Wall of Voodoo, Oingo Boingo, Missing Persons, The English Beat, A Flock of Seagulls, Stray Cats, Men at Work, and The Clash. It would be the final appearance of Stan Ridgway with Wall of Voodoo, and Mick Jones with The Clash, and we were very glad we went.

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Steve Cannane and Bryan Seymour)

Oct 25: Melbourne, The Wheeler Centre, 3 pm, free but reservations recommended (with Steve Cannane)

Oct 28: Adelaide, Wheatsheaf Hotel, (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth, Collins Street Centre, Collins St and Shaftesbury St, South Perth, 7 pm

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 12, 2015 at 07:15

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
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  • Bradley Greenwood

    MEMORIES! I was backstage for six of those acts (Being a Tower Records mini-exec got me lots of comps). Thanks for the reminder of how old I am now πŸ˜‰

    • flyonthewall

      Hey I remember you! Good to see you again

      • Bradley Greenwood

        πŸ™‚ I was the short, but not yet fat and bald guy.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Um ..i just want to remind everyone to stay on topic . Like ..all day . Don’t comment about anything else. At all . And if anyone starts hugging each other ..they are gonna be in trouble . So…just to reiterate …stay on topic .

    That is all πŸ˜‰

    • anoni81b4u

      I saw a girl in a bikini one time.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i wore a bikini one time …maybe that was me ?

      • Ben Franklin

        Do you live in Alaska?

    • Nat-leficent
    • Good point, Kim. We need to develop a better strategery for that.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOUuKQlGdEs

      • Kim O’Brien

        i am loving this . We use the word ” strategery ” every year at Thanksgiving. Example …” Gee , Mom …how do you get all of this food for 27 people ..to come out hot and delicious ?”

        Tom Cruise stare ….” Strategery “

    • Jimmy3

      ((((((((( HUGS )))))))))
      (((((((((( COPS A FEEL )))))))))

      • EmmaDaoust

        Just so long as you don’t feel a cop. Jes’ sayin’

    • sugarplumfairy

      And today’s topics are rock concerts, bikinis, crazy cult leaders, crazy cult minions, bad scifi, stupid pseudo-religions, Apple, lies, SDSU, terl, shilling, clueless co$ musicians like chick corea, unsteady psychlos, kilted Scotsmen, immodestly large sporrans, ray guns, vaults, music synthesizers, bad cult songs, and getting laid..

      So, so far today I’m pretty sure no one has been off topic..

      • Nat-leficent
        • sugarplumfairy

          Nope.. Covered.. According to wiki, they have a cult following..

      • jazzlover

        You forgot mellotrons πŸ™‚

        • mon elle

          Isn’t that the villain robot from those loud Michael Bay movies?

          jk

        • sugarplumfairy

          Fixed!

      • Jimmy3

        Sometimes I wake up really early, and I fill out the crossword puzzle in my neighbor’s newspaper with gibberish, just to screw with him.

        • B4you

          That’s kinda off-topic.

          • Jimmy3

            UR KINDA OFF-TIOPIC

            • B4you

              WHAATTT!!!

        • ReallyMGM

          I’m going to do this to my mother in law!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. Good try.. But it’s covered under getting laid.. You said screw..

    • David Miscavige could never be mistaken for a mushroom.

      He’s not a fungi.

    • Always Amazed

      i was hoping you would show up today.

      • Kim O’Brien

        Voila πŸ˜‰

        • Always Amazed

          No one keeps us On topic like you.

  • otherles

    Why not simply tell LRH the truth? That someone didn’t do his job.

    • Observer

      Because LRH was not known for his forgiving nature, and the someone would have ended up in the gulag RPF.

      EDIT: and everyone else likely would have too for not writing KRs on the guy immediately.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        And to be pulled out of the RPF suddenly by LRH when LRH felt the need for that person to carry out some new Hubbard hairbrained project. Bill Franks tells of Hubbard yanking Bill back out of the RPF onetime, in the Jeffrey Augustine interview.

        • B4you

          Like this…

      • aquaclara

        Of course, that RPF got a fair bit of use anyway….
        So, has the Debilitated Captain put more people in the RPF yet, or does LRH hold the record, do you think?

        • Observer

          That’s a tough one. I think Miscavige has actually been in charge of the RPF longer than Hubs.

    • flyonthewall

      I know right? He was a very reasonable, even tempered guy. Weird *shrug*

      • Jimmy3

        “Hey, I know you’re known for throwing people off boats and kidnapping children… But, listen…. Just hear me out. I kinda fucked up in a small way…”

        • flyonthewall

          WHAT!? WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME!!!!?????AHHHHH!!! AHH!!!!! YOU’RE TRYING TO KILL ME AREN’T YOU!!??? AHHHHH!!!!! *EXPLODE*

          • Observer

            Thanks. I’m cooking spaghetti for dinner. :-/

    • mon elle
    • TheMirrorThetan

      Because messengers have never been killed for bringing bad news, in the past, or anything.
      And because people who are off their tits and effed in the head just love getting bad news and always take it well.
      *end sarcasm*

  • skiesareblue

    Another great music festival. For my Bunker Friends.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR-H2uFCQls

  • Bob Crouch

    Oh boy, this soundtrack compared to other jazz records is, well, what Battlefield Earth is to other movies, which is what Hubbard is to other writers, which is what scientology is to other religions…

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Wow, bingo bingo

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol..

    • Nailed it nicely, Bob.

  • nottrue

    Davey please stop Leah’s book. It’s going to make me look crazy crazy….Please with sugar on top

  • flyonthewall

    Woodstock ’99 was not my generation’s best moment *shame*. But I was not there so you cannot blame me.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/19-worst-things-about-woodstock-99-20140731

    During this set is when things completely fell apart and the fires started

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKntzyItWbk

    • mon elle

      There was a Woodstock ’99?

      It could be worse … your generation could have brought unto this earth disco, baby blue polyester tuxedoes, and LRH.

      • Miss Tia

        i liked and still like disco….i’ll pass on the polyester though….didn’t like it then either…..

        • mon elle

          Ok … some disco I did/do enjoy … I will survive this disco inferno that’s staying alive …

      • Acherontia

        Yes. I read an article once that described it as a “Helter-Skelter rapefest.”

        Later I learned one of my friends was there, she must have been like 17-18 at the time. Said shit got real in the crowds when Korn came on.

        • flyonthewall

          disgusting

          • Miss Tia

            i think it was after that that the beasties boys spoke out at a mtv award ceremony that bands needed to ensure rapes weren’t happening by having more security to keep women safe at concerts…..and the audience was silent and diana ross, IIRC, tried to hurry them up….ad roc kept talking…..

  • Glen

    I just finished Chris Shelton’s video series with Robyn Capella. One of the things that struck me was that Robyn, who was involved in public relations for the cult, was so clear about how $ci really hates bad publicity and press. She said it really makes them crazed.

    Right now there are so many stories and information reflecting horribly on the cult. When I go to see the comments on some of the stories, there an overwhelming and informed response against the cult. This is not just folks who read this blog or Mike Rinders’ but a seemingly widespread and diffuse group. $ci must be wigged out and certainly don’t have the manpower to muck up all the commentary.

    One of the stories from a couple of days ago about the cults efforts to derail Going Clear was on the A.V. Club. The comments were hilarious.

    http://www.avclub.com/article/surprise-surprise-scientologists-might-not-want-go-226641

    • flyonthewall

      this “widepsread and diffuse group” is called humanity, shh! It’s a secret!

      • Glen

        The secret is sorta safe with me but this particular wave of humanity seems to be growing astronomically.

        • salin

          Straight up and vertical!

      • jazzlover

        That really messes me up. I thought everyone was just like me πŸ˜‰

    • salin

      I found avclub commentary on another recent (more like 2 weeks ago) story. Very articulate forum, and pretty savvy/skeptical per Co$.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Example of that:

        “…Unintentionally reinforcing the image of them presented in Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear, members of the church of Scientology have reportedly been contacting members of the Academy Of Motion Picture Arts And Sciences’ documentary branch to ask pointed questions in regards to Gibney’s work. (To be fair to the members of the chruch, they probably haven’t seen the film, or read theLawrence Wright book it’s based on, so they don’t know how potentially bad and/or fitting this might look.)…”

        they get Scientology’s twisted turned around prisoner of belief mindset!

        • salin

          Encouraging, isn’t it.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            One thing that media can learn, is OSA’s stats system.

            Because OSA does NOT want to be creating worse stats for themselves. Because each time OSA does, it just makes them more downstat.

            So media’s “winning” hand is just to DO the story on Scientology, and always throw in “Xenu is just the guy who caused the Wall of Fire OT 3 engram, is all, resulting in Scientology’s secret OT exorcism levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 for exorcising themselves of their body thetans.” in response to every Scientology PR/OSA action.

            IT’s hard for outsiders to realize the dire downstat consequences of mentioning L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology, Xenu, “body thetans” all in the same sentence and at least in the article, for causing maximum OSA downstats!

            • salin

              Great tip!

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Hubbard’s gift to them, those confidential ear wilting words: Xenu, “body thetans”, the words they get declared SP for saying or writing in public.

    • flyonthewall

      Jimmy, it’s like pun heaven in the comments over there. You might want to check it out

  • salin

    O/T It’s raining/cloudy in Tromso, Norway – so no good aurora cam views shared tonight. Nevertheless, if you haven’t already, click the heart/recommend.

    Dose of nostalgia, humor – and of course insanity in terms of ‘problem solving’ in today’s Post and conversation. I tried to do an homage to the Kinks performance at US Festival, by reworking lyrics to Lola! with a Scientology (looks like a church but walks like a corp .. theme). I concede to others. Just couldn’t pull it off. Bu enjoyed the memories brought by listening to the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emF3gtmVS0s

    • Doc. M

      I thought I would add this Kinks Album. Due to some type of management or legal issue, they couldn’t tour in the states during the mid to late 60’s and never reached the stardom they really deserved. They really seemed to hit with Lola, but before that album, they did a number of excellent albums…each one becoming more and more sophisticated. It’s my opinion, but I believe they were the 2nd most important band of the so called “British Invasion” and a number of songs really rank up their with Lennon/McCartney.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYMA-qlReg0

  • Observer

    I cannot stop laughing at this: https://mobile.twitter.com/_floridaman

    • sugarplumfairy

      Another of the many reasons I love this place..

    • Terl

      Florida reminds me of my home prison planet. Charming.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Welcome, Terl.. I knew it was only a matter of time and you’d be declared.. About time you showed up here..

        • Terl

          You cute. You join the battalion of my wives. You are welcome.

          • sugarplumfairy

            The pic is from 15 years ago.. Hate to disappoint..

            • Terl

              Terl knows no disappoint.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’m holding out for cob.. I like ’em mean and little..

            • Terl

              That angry little human messed with my documentary.
              In case you reconsider, the door is always slightly open, my electrifying SPfairy.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Thank you, I’m honored.. Being wooed by a 10 foot alien was actually on my bucket list.. Check..

    • anoni81b4u

      Florida man gets around !

    • daisy

      I am moving to Florida, he seems like a catch.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Remember to take him for a test drive first.

    • salin

      Imagine what Foridaman would do if he got his hands on an original Stourton.

      • sugarplumfairy

        What’s a stourton?

        • salin

          The Camelot Castle Hotel, in the UK, is owned by a couple of really nutty Scientogists. They have an artist in residence named Ted Stourton, whose work is epically.. Juvenile complete with glitter and glued on butterflies. If this doesn’t ring a bell, when you need a good hard laugh it’s a rabbit hole worth diving into.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Oh no.. Another rabbit hole.. I thought I finally plugged them all..

            • salin

              Save it for a glum day. Go past the general descriptions – which are creepy and bizarre. Then start reading hotel reviews. Note that several years ago the reviews were so bad that they went into pr mode. Lots of gussied up reviews. But to keep decent ratings, they have to keep adding the glowing ones, because the creeped out guests keep writing reviews. Those are the comic gold. If/when you do the dive, share your impressions here.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Will do..

        • Kestrel

          Ted Stourton is the “artist in residence” at John Mappin’s Camelot Castle Hotel. His artwork is reminiscent of Monet. To Ray Charles.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Lol..

        • Observer

          Here’s one. F5

          • Kim O’Brien

            i swear to god …that guy is a dude trapped in the body of a 13 year old girl waiting to get her period . His art ..IS my daughters ” feelings sketchbook ” that her art teacher assigned the students.

            • Miss Tia

              i think he aspires to be lisa frank…..needs more colors and unicorns and rainbows…..

            • Kim O’Brien

              Your needlepoint ( ? ) of the cover of Tony’s book …was freaking brilliant and totally amazing . Just wanted to throw that out there in the universe . Wayne and Garth bow to you young lady .

            • Always Amazed

              where can I see this?

            • Kim O’Brien

              aw man …i know if you gave a shout out at the top of the comment section , someone could show you the link ..i forget what day it was on …truly beautiful

            • Always Amazed

              truly beautiful indeed! I am happy I was here at the right moment to catch your post. It is impossible to catch up on 1K+ posts a day at the Bunker these days.

            • Miss Tia

              i have a flip video book i made that has a pix of the completed project at the end and i have a pix knocking around some place….hold on a sec…..

            • Miss Tia

              pix

            • Miss Tia

              32 second vid ‘flip’ book…making of….
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgOxw3oCfNU

            • Kim O’Brien

              BAM!!

            • Always Amazed

              AMAZING!!! ….how long did it take you? I am a needle/fiber art fiend.

              thank you soo much for sharing.

            • Miss Tia

              i thought of the idea august 1st (the cleveland event was sept. 23)…..i started stitching, after completing the pattern august 8…..i ironed and framed it the day before the event, but i was done a few days before that—had to wash it and let it air dry rolled up in a towel…..so i think about a 150 hours max…..would have finished sooner but i was sick for a few days…..i feel real comfortable saying 150 hours…..that’s not bad at all…..

            • Always Amazed

              not bad at all! Well done.

            • Miss Tia

              my largest project, was about 800 hours and took up most of the year and that was another idea i had…..i don’t think i’ll do one that large again…..famous last words…..

            • Kim O’Brien

              what was it ? I am sure it was amazeballs

            • Miss Tia

              i actually posted it here—though um, yeah, it was almost 2 years ago!! made another flip vid book….i sort of like watching it get made—even though i’m the one who sat here and made it….it’s fun to watch—well for me anyway….wedding gift for a friend…..

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MA8Gs7I1XM

            • Always Amazed

              Mercy me, that is incredible Tia. What an amazing gift.

              Do you use a pattern generator that will convert the photo to your count pattern? Please tell me you don’t make your own pattern.

            • Miss Tia

              well i have two pattern generator programs and i’m never happy with what they churn out…..SO…..i compare/contrast the two generated patterns to get the ‘strong points’…..then i redo it myself…..so about 50% pattern generated 50% me……i should ignore the pattern makers though and plot it out myself as it probably wouldn’t take as long getting the pattern done!!

              ETA: i only use the programs for ‘big’ projects…any small project i just sketch out, plot out, then graph it myself……much quicker that way! πŸ™‚

            • Always Amazed

              I am humbled.

            • Kim O’Brien

              OH . MY. GODDESS !!!!

            • Miss Tia

              that’s what Daphne said! πŸ™‚ then she started to cry!!! all year long i had been saying i was working on a huge honkin’ cross stitch project and only 2 people knew what it was…..she put it on display at her county fair last year…..

            • Kim O’Brien

              i might just get married again so i can invite you so you can make one for me so i can kick him out and then have a work of art πŸ˜‰ Cuz …yeah …your art is the only reason why i would ever , ever, ever, get married again . ( worth it )

            • Miss Tia

              now now!! no art is worth that!! and if you kicked them out, would you want a reminder of ’em? πŸ˜‰

            • Frodis73

              That is such an awesome gift and totally from the heart with love.

            • Miss Tia

              and a huge dash of ‘what the fuck was i thinking?!’

            • Miss Tia

              thanks! it was cross stitch….i’m not worthy of bows! πŸ™‚

            • Kim O’Brien

              i knew i was wrong about the needlepoint . Honestly Tia …really amazing . I wish i had your focus and skill

            • Miss Tia

              thank you kindly!! cross stitching is one of things where i defy my usual lack of patience…..

            • Frodis73

              I beg to differ young lady; Kim is right that it is amazing.

            • Miss Tia

              and you were sitting next to tony when he opened it but didn’t see it! πŸ˜€ should have passed it around the table….it was behind glass and is washable (hand wash, cuz i washed it and ironed it….)…..

            • Always Amazed

              don’t you hate that? happens all the time with hand knits. pffft

            • Frodis73

              I know, too funny and typical for me! I was deep in conversation and then Fly busted out all the cool mini figs…passing it around would have been cool as I think a few others missed it too. The video and pics turned out great though.

            • salin

              Dang, all my regret at not being able to be there in RL just washed back over me. What an awesome group of people!

          • sugarplumfairy

            Awesome.. Looks like the shower curtain I had when I was 15.,

          • Always Amazed

            Love it…Has anyone here ever admitted here to staying at the Camelot Castle?

            • Frodis73

              I would love to stay there for the lulz. It does sound creepy as hell though. We need to get some UK Bunkers on this task.

            • salin

              Just for tea and photos, no stay required.

            • Frodis73

              That would even work and would be more safe. Lol.

            • Kim O’Brien

              we can all walk around with anonymous masks on . Naked . Holing a photo of LRH ..auditing tomato plants .

            • Frodis73

              Omx, that would be so great. They would be terrified of us.

            • Always Amazed

              can you imagine? i am giddy just thinking about it.

            • salin

              With bows and glitter in our hair.

            • Always Amazed

              Sounds to me like we have the place for the BunkerExpo2016

            • Always Amazed

              I was thinking the same thing, lulz and creep

              I would be willing to help fund the cause, wonder what the rate is..

          • Frodis73

            Yikes.

      • Miss Tia

        Try to snort it?
        Put it on the ground and roll around on it to get all glittery?
        Set the butterflies free?

        • salin

          Belly laughs!

          • Miss Tia

            all plausible in florida!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Put it on the ground and roll around to get all glittery.. I love it.. Just gave me idea for Halloween… Imma be a stourton..

          • Miss Tia

            BEST.COSTUME.2015!! Already declared winnah!!

    • villagedianne

      The one about a man setting up fake job interviews to steal people’s urine is actually kind of clever.

  • Terl

    Puny Humans.

    • salin

      Tall Terl or giant, but inflatable Terl?

      • Terl

        You talking dog? Weird planet.

        • salin

          Gets odder: which dog is talking?

      • Nat-leficent
        • salin

          The versions of display Terls described in the comments today.

      • Robert Eckert
        • Frodis73

          Hearing that horrible dialogue makes me want to watch that train wreck BE again. It’s been quite a few years since I’ve seen it. JT was so awful and over the top that it’s beyond description. Great to watch and make fun of though once in awhile.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      “rat brain”

      • Terl

        My man. I might hire you as Terl’s archivist, human Chuck.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Your rat brain servant

    • villagedianne

      Man-amils.

      • Terl

        Amils. We take their gold.

  • anoni81b4u

    I am going to watch battlefield earth tonight … I hope you are all happy!

    • Terl

      They didn’t get some things right in that documentary, son.

      • salin

        L Ron… Misdocumented… You are a wise guy, Terl.

  • Terl

    I miss John Travolta. Fine human.

    • flyonthewall

      You be careful around him Terl. How do you say “grabby” in Psychloese?

      • Terl

        Classified. I like your fine battle suit, Flyonisian. How much?

      • villagedianne

        And Terl, you’ve got a lot to grab.

  • Always Amazed

    sounds like an fantastic time! I wish I had been there. Does anyone have a “way-back” machine?

    • Miss Tia

      we were looking for a deloren earlier!

  • All set for Halloween. Gourd night all.

    • Always Amazed

      Is that naturally colored? amazing gourd. tell me more.

      • Frodis73

        I just saw this on a refresh…that is quite unique. It kinda looks like brain matter.

      • Natural colored and marvelously lumpen. We got it and our other gourds at Trader Joe’s! A great selection, at least up here in Sonoma County.

        • Always Amazed

          Sriously, TJs?? I was JUST in sonoma, will have to check out down south. Thanks artoo.;)

  • Luke Martinelli

    The Fairlight doesn’t have to sound bad… At least not played by Herbie Hancock https://youtu.be/n6QsusDS_8A

  • SLIM

    I was too late to comment…
    But was gonna say the “Fairlight…
    I was best friends with the engineer-producer…
    For Stevie Wonder at Wonderland Studios…
    Stevie was one of the 1st to have one of these…
    We would out to get sound bites for it…
    Eg….Clinking on pipes….Rocks hitting trees and so forth..:}
    Oh…The memories..

    • sugarplumfairy

      Never too late to comment..

      • SLIM

        Hi Fairy…
        Been awhile since I’ve posted here…

        • sugarplumfairy

          Welcome back..

          • SLIM

            I’ve been lurking hard…
            Just not commenting…I miss Howdy..

            • sugarplumfairy

              Awwwww.. We all do.. He was so unique.. Constantly reminded us what a bad-ass he was, when he was really one of the sweetest guys here..

            • SLIM

              And he loved his music…
              Mostly that’s what we’d talk about..

    • Depeche Mode did it too, dunno if on Fairlight.

      • SLIM

        Weird you would bring that up…
        I was best friends with David Gahan as well…
        And yes…Martin loved to fool with it..

        • Ha! Wow. Cool.

        • Frodis73

          Omg. I had the biggest crush on him back in the day. Please say he is nice and not a dick.

          • SLIM

            If you are talking about David…
            In all honesty…He is one of the sweetest people i know…
            I helped him with him drug struggles…I had my own..
            He handled his fans very lovely…There were many..

            • Frodis73

              Very pleased to hear that. I was bummed to hear about his problems (been there done that trip too), but he seems to be doing really well now. Great to hear you were there to help him out…it was looking really bleak for a time. I just love his voice.

            • SLIM

              Quick silly story…
              If you remember when he was arrested in LA…
              And subsequently put in Cedars Sinai mental wing…
              When I went to visit him…There was one thing he couldn’t
              Stop talking about..
              In the visiting area you weren’t allowed any fire..matches…
              So there was a button on the wall that was a lighter…
              He was a smoker…Me too…
              He kept running over to it to show me it…
              He thought it was wonderful and it was…Silly story..

            • Frodis73

              That is very funny! When my friend was on one of her psychotic breaks she was begging me to give her a lighter because they were not allowed to have them either. She flipped out over it–that part was kinda scary for a minute. That is a great idea to have one on/in the wall like that though!

            • How did you help him and yourself with drug struggles?

            • SLIM

              Yes…I got sober 1st and helped him into rehab ..
              When I relapsed …He was right there for me..
              He’d do anything for the ones he loved…
              He funded me when I came out of rehab as well…

            • Frodis73

              Very cool and like Kim said I’m glad you’re both alive and doing well.

            • daisy

              You were a good friend, I love paying it forward stories.

            • SLIM

              And I grew up in Montreal…eh!

            • daisy

              Happy Thanksgiving, Beautiful city to grow up in. eh

            • EmmaDaoust

              I lived in Montreal for the first 19 years of my life. But I still haven’t growed up. πŸ™‚

            • SLIM

              Moi Aussi….
              I like to say…
              I was born in London England…
              Raised in Montreal Quebec…
              And lowered in LA…

            • Cool. What kind of rehab?

            • Frodis73

              I know it wasn’t NarCONon! =)

            • SLIM

              Oh noes!
              We knew about Narconon way back then..

            • SLIM

              I went to county…American Hospital in LA…
              He went to [my memory sucks…20 years ago]..
              I forget the name right now…
              It was the one…Kurt Cobain jumped the wall at..
              It will come back to me…
              I went there also and got my sponsor…Dallas…
              He was the ex drummer of CSNY…

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              “It was the one…Kurt Cobain jumped the wall at..It will come back to me…”

              Exodus? I hate that I know these things.

            • SLIM

              Bingo!
              Thank you…What a place…
              I could write a book about that place…
              When I wasn’t there rehabing ..I worked there..

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I imagine you have some stories! I’m with Tia and Frodis on Gahan. I’ll never forget the first time I heard I Want You Now. Really, it’s a visceral memory. Oy, I think I need to take a minute here…Glad to hear he’s a decent dude.

            • Frodis73

              YES! Same here with that song.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Isn’t it funny how strong some sense memories are? I have so many of them related to music. This one makes me feel 14/15 all over again, and just as…er…emotional. OK, fine–horny, I’ll just say it. ; )

            • Kim O’Brien

              if you are ..in any way …a reason why he is not dead …THANK YOU

            • Kim O’Brien

              and i am glad that you are not dead and i did not mean to sound like a teenage asshole girl who has a crush on a boy …my apologies

            • SLIM

              No reason to apologize…
              I thought tough Irish girls don’t do that…. :}
              We are both sober to this day…
              You would have loved him…I real life saint…In his way

            • Frodis73

              It’s nice to hear that people you admire are good and decent.

            • SLIM

              Oh Yeah!
              Cause they aren’t all like that…
              And I’ve known a few..

            • Kim O’Brien

              just to reiterate …i am glad you are here and i think you are pretty awesome

            • SLIM

              Ah!
              What a lovely thing to say…
              When you get sober…Among other things…
              You have to find your heart…And you just touched mine..

            • Kim O’Brien

              you deserve it

          • Frodis73

            FOR KIM: Says your post was removed by mod…i’m sure it’s just a glitch.

            Isn’t he just beautiful?? Love, love, love him in the concert tour movie
            where he’s playing pinball and singing ‘love is the drug’ by Roxy
            Music. They are still one of my fave bands and always are great live.

            • Kim O’Brien

              amen to that …;)

          • Miss Tia

            i love dave gahan’s voice!!!!

            • SLIM

              I just can’t get enough…
              Which he didn’t sing on the record..

            • Miss Tia

              i gotta say whereas that’s a song i like, it’s not one i LOVE….i like when his voice is basically the only ‘instrument’ you hear…..

            • SLIM

              Suffer Well…On his solo record is AMAZING..

            • Miss Tia

              indeed!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Well, that’s OK, because my friends and I used to sing it as, “I just can’t get it up.” Because we were 14 and a bunch of assholes.

            • Kim O’Brien

              THAT WAS SO GREAT !!!! LOL !!!

            • SLIM

              Bet you thought he was gay also…
              I take that back….
              Lots of people thought he was…
              He got a big kick out of it…

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I honestly didn’t think about it much in my early teen years, but I was pretty naive. As I got older, I just assumed he was…fluid. But still, not something I thought much about. Frankly, it didn’t matter to me. A sexy dude is a sexy dude. I knew I’d only ever appreciate him from afar anyway. ; )

            • SLIM

              So Agree…
              One of his sexy dance moves…
              Was turning around a giving butt wiggle…
              Every time the audience went crazy…
              It was his patented move..

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              And worth every penny, I’m sure. ; )

            • Juicer77

              Heh heh

            • Frodis73

              It’s so sexy, plus that accent. {Fanning myself}

            • Miss Tia

              i think tomorrow is gonna be a depeche mode day! πŸ˜€ “Let me take you on a trip, around the world and back….”

            • Frodis73

              I like it and will second your motion.

            • Miss Tia

              motion passes!!! tomorrow—depeche mode day!!! πŸ˜€

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Seconded, Thirded and Fourthded by Me. πŸ™‚
              Ok Frodis has already seconded that motion, so Thirded, Fourthded and Fifthded, then.

            • SLIM
            • Miss Tia

              words are very unnecessary…..they can only do harm…..

              this WHOLE album!!! πŸ˜€

            • Kim O’Brien

              i went to school with the niece of Barry Fay …huge concert promoter in Colorado who gave U2 their first break here in Denver ( red rocks concert ) She turned me on to Depeche Mode before they ” jumped the pond” and i just LOVED them . My mother was a big hippie and is only 20 years older than me . When i ” rebelled ” …i brought Devo, The Clash , Depeche Mode , The Fixx , The Beastie Boys , Prince , Morris Day and the Time ,The Kinks , The Go-Go’s, Blondie, The English Beat , The Dead Kennedy’s …into the house . She FREAKED OUT . Now …my 13 year old daughter wants my playlist

            • Frodis73

              Our stories are very similar. I grew up on Pete Seeger, Peter Paul and Mary, Joan Baez, etc. My mom definitely questioned some of the stuff I got into.

            • Kim O’Brien

              first concert in my life …i was like 9 …Peter Paul and Mary at Red Rocks . Yes … i knew what pot smelled like πŸ˜‰ AND …i talked my way into backstage so i could get their autographs on the flyer ( they passed those out then ..not anymore ) My mom dared me $5 to get back stage . I did it πŸ˜‰

            • Frodis73

              So funny. None of us remember for sure what my first show was, but I was very young. I also met PP&M. I’m actually named after Mary’s daughter, Erika (spelled Eyrika). I think going to shows early was such a blessing and I loved it. I do remember the first show I actually begged to go to was Pat Benatar at a place called Blossom (outside venue too). We were surrounded by lots of pot smokers and it was bothering me so I didn’t have as much fun. Lol. The following summer was Men At Work and I had a blast and was over the pot thing because it was just a prevalent there too.
              I hope we can meet, share a drink and swap stories one day!

            • MaxSpaceman

              did Barry (6′ 5″) have a twin brother? I played basketball against the Fay bros.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i honestly don’t know the answer to that question ….but Barry died a couple of years ago ( i think )

            • Miss Tia

              it appears we were listening to the same music!! πŸ™‚ your daughter has good taste!!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Here is a good doc about synths in Britain, Depeche appears about halfway through…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK1P93r9xes

  • MaxSpaceman

    Steve Wozniak was an amazing engineer and inventor, along with Jobs.

    In 2006 he got involved in something ‘ fly ‘ might be involved in: “In March 2006, Wozniak attended the FIRST National Competition in Atlanta to show off Lego robots.”

    There’s the future, fly.

    • April

      Ahem. Woz was the genius inventor. Jobs was the marketing genius.

  • Terl

    Donate your gold and you will live. Maybe.

  • Jimmy3

    I’ve only like 40 hours of sleep in the last 48 and my brane is mush. But this is a song
    http://youtu.be/I11t5mj9FOk

    • EmmaDaoust

      Stay just a little bit longer.

    • salin

      Ode to roadies. Much better than the quixotic Lawyers in Love.

      • Robert Eckert

        Lawyers in Love was the first video I saw on MTV (note to youngsters: MTV used to play music videos, all the time). It stuck in my head and I remember thinking it seemed kind of prophetic when the Soviet Union started collapsing. “The Russians sneaked away while we weren’t watching them, like Russians do…”

        • Always Amazed

          ALL the time. Good times.

        • Missionary Kid

          Note to Robert: The only thing we had on TV (black and white, of course) in the 50s was maybe a local “dance party” and Dick Clark’s American Bandstand. Sometimes, old 50s movies, like Rock Around the Clock would be shown, with great Rock and Roll artists, like Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, and other stars, but REALLY dumb plots. Elvis movies were done that way. Soul Train came later. In the early 60s, we had movies, like “A Hard Day’s Night” and TV shows like the Monkees that were more fun.

          MTV never did much for me, because I don’t have to watch a video in order to enjoy the music. Maybe it’s because I’m an old fart, but I was 36 by the time MTV came along, and I’d been listening to a lot of rock and roll, blues, folk, classical, gospel without having to watch a bunch of jump cuts or basically short rock and roll opera or choreographed dance.

          MTV outgrew its format because there’s only so many different videos that you can use for content, IMO. If you’re a teenager, maybe you can watch Thriller 47 times in a week, but I couldn’t.

          • noseinabk

            I was in high school when MTV became popular. I will never forget the first video my mother noticed us watching. She was shocked and I think she actually fanned herself with a dish towel.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69fPof-ZTnU

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s a pattern that was established in the 50s. There were preachers who took phonograph records of Rock ‘n Roll artists and smashed them. People also denounced Elvis because he was moving too sexually.

              When I was in junior high, they stopped playing a record on the radio because it had the line, “I just want to make love to you.” Later, the Stones’ song, “Let’s Spend the Night Together” was considered scandalous.

              The effort, on the part of teenagers since at least the 50s has been to shock their parents, so whatever music or fad or something to be seen does that, becomes popular, and parents decry it. I believe it’s an attempt on the part of teenagers to create their own world, separate from their parents.

            • noseinabk

              My mother was shocked and still never stopped us from listening. I was so naive about the true meaning of some of the lyrics that it didn’t register as rebellion. Later, when I had my own children, I would hear some of those songs and change the station. 😎 I never thought about how bad they were until I was considering that I did not want my precocious toddler singing along.

            • Missionary Kid

              One learns also to watch their language around kids, too. There’s nothing like saying something like, “Oh, Shit,” when one is driving, then hearing a repetitive, sing-song string of , “Oh, shit! Oh, shit! Oh, shit! Oh, shit!” from the back seat little rug rat as they try out a new phrase.

    • ReallyMGM

      Another classic I found in my vinyls las week. Damn we had good stuff in the 70s!

  • Dear Tom Cruise, please make Battlefield Earth and Mission Earth movies. For this planet’s sake.

    • sugarplumfairy

      You forgot the ‘don’t’ in between the ‘please’and the ‘make..’

      • But think of all the Razzies!

        • Jimmy3

          Going Clear has been nominated for 47 Gilded Razberry awards. Just saying,

        • Juicer77

          And the mst3k treatment!

  • Just noticed I hit 100K + upvotes. Thanks, folks.

    • skiesareblue

      Well done, Dodo!

    • Jimmy3

      Can I borrow some of them? Like maybe 20,000 or so. Just until next week. Then I’ll pay you back right away.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      You owe us a dollah an upvote, Dodo. πŸ™‚

    • MostEthicalPimp

      For few weeks I up-voted every comment you made after you made a comment commanding people to up vote all your comments.

    • Juicer77

      πŸ˜‰

    • daisy

      Always a pleasure doing business with you.

  • so Krustie, you can believe this but when it comes to a multi Emmy award winning documentary maker you call it lies….

    pic

    • Jimmy3

      She’s obviously trying to deflect from Going Clear.

    • Kim O’Brien

      um ..yeah Kirstie, the KKK thought crazy stuff about black people .

      also : water is wet

      • Poor woman thinks like 12 years old. OT VII. #Sad

    • ReallyMGM

      She just got the memo.

    • … she’s definitely drinking and tweeting…pic

      • noseinabk

        64 years old and she doesn’t realize that her schtik isn’t cute or funny anymore.

    • M from Toronto

      I for one am glad Kirstie supports documentaries which expose the behaviour of vicious cults.
      Ahem.

  • jazzlover

    O/T: Mets puttin’ some serious wood to the Dodgers 13-4.

    • Jimmy3

      That’s funny. Every woman I’ve met and want to put some serious wood to has dodged me.

      Goodnight.

      • jazzlover

        My wording was an ode to Utley. What was yours?

        • Jimmy3

          An utleyer stupid pun about chaseing women.

  • what’suppressive

    So they just played The Hills by The Weeknd during the 7th innings stretch at the Mets game. Fun for the whole family. Sometimes I seriously wonder about you guys.(F5)

    • jazzlover

      Which guys would those be?

      • what’suppressive

        Americans…Don’t get me wrong I love you crazy bunch, but so many WTF moments.

        • jazzlover

          Well, can’t argue with ya. But I was ready to jump on any anti-New York comment πŸ˜‰

          Fwiw, it happens at all football stadiums in the good ole US of A too, and at much higher volumes. Going to any sporting event these days is almost like inserting yourself into a human pinball game.

          • what’suppressive

            Pirates fan myself but I’d like to see The Mets do it, Cubbies too.

            • jazzlover

              I didn’t mean anti-Met. I meant anti-New York. The Cubs winning would be refreshing too πŸ™‚

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Ahem… forget the Mets, how about the crazy space cult who used it as the soundtrack to a video showing their clams holding up their cheesy certificates?
      https://youtu.be/69f67vnmGg0

  • Robert Eckert

    Semi-OT: Florida Man accused of hypnotizing kids to death (high school principal, three dead)

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-town-remembers-students-who-died-after-being-hypnotised-by-principal/ar-AAfnj8K

    • noseinabk

      Only Stephen King fans may get it but, I think Florida is the Derry, Maine of the USA.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i totally got that . colorado springs has that same creepy King-esque , vibe to it

        • Missionary Kid

          You poor guys, Colorado Springs has Focus on the Family, as well as (I understand it) a bunch of fundamentalist whacko churches. It’s a nice place otherwise.

  • Exterrier

    What a grreat, classic 80’s line up you saw, Tony! Berlin, Flock of Seagulls….wow. The Woz is such an upbeat, generous guy to have done that!

    • romanesco

      But Fleetwood Mac? Wasn’t the 80’s a little late for that? Or for that matter, any time after they took on Stevie Nicks? But believe it or not, there once was a time when they were actually good.
      https://youtu.be/O8RhZDGLEXM

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I liked Tusk, which a lover turned me onto later in life. And my mom overplayed their big hot album I can’t remember the name of. All I remember is my friend’s giving me grief when I’d put it on.
        Edit: Rumors

        • romanesco

          Shouldn’t it have been “Rumor’s?”

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I don’t know.

        • richelieu jr

          Another Tusk lover! We’re as rare as well.. tusks, I suppose!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        By 1982, Peter Green was a bad acid trip casualty, Jeremy Spencer had joined a cult (Children of God) and Danny Kirwan was mentally incapacitated. No way Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac could have performed at the US festival or anywhere else.

        • coonellie

          I H. A. T. E. COG. They’re worse than COS.

          • coonellie

            TT, are you in PDX?

          • romanesco

            They are, but since they have no money, they can’t afford to try to push their bullshit into the mainstream.

            • coonellie

              True, but they’re victims rarely recover. Case in point…River Pheonix

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              The story of Ricky Rodriguez. Horrible.

  • looks like the DM is doing it’s investigating… they’re extending the Bella Cruise marriage into something far less flattering then their original story…

    “The story was that this woman had decided she could not afford to look after a third child, and so was put in touch by the Church of Scientology with superstar couple Tom Cruise β€” a devotee of the movement β€” and his young wife Nicole Kidman. They had been married for two years and had suffered, Kidman later said, a ‘very traumatic’ ectopic pregnancy.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3270122/Troubling-story-Nicole-Kidman-s-daughter-Bella-Cruise.html#ixzz3oQMdLux8

    • just a couple of highlights…. notice the tone and the fact that they’re putting out quite nasty snark ‘from a source’ shows the gloves are off as far as Cruise’s PR team is concerned…

      “Cruise, meanwhile, seemed less regretful. His jet was renamed Sweet Bella, and when he was asked what had gone wrong with the marriage, he snarled: ‘Ask Nic. She knows.’

      Nicole relocated to New York and, initially, she and Tom shared custody of the children. In an interview in 2003, she spoke about her ‘great kids’ and said she would take them to Starbucks for juice every morning and they were allowed two doughnuts a week.

      They accompanied her to Sydney to celebrate her parents’ 40th wedding anniversary.

      Meanwhile, Tom would take them to the Scientology headquarters in Clearwater, Florida, for courses and ‘auditing’ sessions, where followers talk about memories as a supposed step on the way to spiritual freedom.

      The custody arrangement did not hold. Nicole was absent for a lot of 2004, making the film Cold Mountain in Romania, and returned hoping to spend time with the children β€” but instead they went to Scientology summer camp.

      By 2005 the children were with Tom Cruise full-time and being home schooled by his sister Cass, a rather stern-looking brunette with three children of her own.”

      “‘Bella is lost,’ says a source. ‘She’s not pretty enough to be an actress and not smart enough to go to college and get a real job. It’s the same with Connor, who travels the world partying and DJ-ing.'”

      • coonellie

        Crud. What idiot wrote that article? Being “pretty” is such garbage. Is Hillary Clinton pretty? Are any number of successful women pretty? And, brains? Is Cara Delavigne a genius? How about all the other famous women who have nothing between the ears? Geez, I doubt seriously that Ms. Kidman cares one fig about such things. I am almost positive that she cares about her children’s well-being. I hate the media for perpetuating such shallowness. [not you Media Lush]

        • I think you’re missing the point, or my point, that the DM is writing snark “from a source”… or the actual point that they’re willing to write snark “from a source”; from an editorial point of view this struck me as quite a shift for them

          • coonellie

            Thanks, Lush. What I see is that someone (not DM) understands popular culture. This is a hor button for me.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I found this the saddest part of the whole story (after Bella and Connor had been torn out of her life): “…she admitted that she married Urban ‘without knowing him very well’ because she was so desperate to have more children.” Nice going CO$.

      • Edward Clarke

        The story kicking around Hollywood at the time was… Tom had sperm issues and couldn’t have children of his own. As he got older, his chances got less and less. But he worked at it anyway. I’m sure his Scientology was a huge part of it. This, not the the fact he was secretly gay, was Tom’s ruin.

        Nicole Kidman got pregnant during the shoot of Moulin Rouge, and pointed out to Tom that if he did the math he would know it was his. Tom didn’t buy it, believed it was Ewan MacGregor’s baby. Their marriage fell apart, Nicole lost the baby. This is consistent with Tom’s ‘ask Nicole’ jibe.

        And then, half a dozen years later, Tom has his own baby with Katie Holmes. And I’m 99% sure it’s biologically his. No one has said otherwise, and the gorgeous little girl looks like her two parents were put in a blender.

        Pure speculation: A guy 20 years sterile has a baby. He was almost certainly working on it, and he does nothing half assed. Did he watch his sperm count go up during tests leading up to then? Did Scientology help him with it? Did this ‘improvement’ help push him further into Scientology? Would he view Suri as an LRH miracle?

        Whatever, it’s tragic that after all of that, he appears to be out of her life.

        • publicly saying he isn’t the father would be a rocky road for any outlet to travel….as for Suri being a perfect blend of her parents I would respectfully disagree [as would most commentators here]…. IMO she is the spit of Tommy Davis and/or possibly his cousin William Mapother. Strangely his adopted son resembles him more than his supposed biological daughter.

          • Edward Clarke

            I had actually considered Mapother, but not Davis.

            Apparently Nicole was adamant Tom got her pregnant. But stories of her and Ewan McGregor on the Moulin Rouge set were already circulating before all that.

            McGregor was happily married at this point, and still is today (to the same woman).

            • McGregor has a reputation for affairs almost as bad as Jude Law’s, considering Law isn’t married that’s quite up there.

            • Edward Clarke

              I’ve actually just looked at his Wikipedia page. It claims he said in 2007 he had been a functioning alcoholic but hadn’t had a drink in 7 years. That puts ‘rock bottom’ somewhere during or right after the Moulin shoot.

              Sounds like the might have blamed the booze, and kicked it to hold onto the wife. I didn’t know he had a reputation all round.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Hey Lush, your buddy Jesse Kove has a starring role in a movie? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4714896/ (refresh)
              https://instagram.com/p/8wYn92Tbx8/

            • good grief…. I reckon Joseph Fiennes must have pissed off quite a few Hollywood types to end up with this dross… the director has practically no track record and nothing at all from 2005 to 2013. I’m sure there’s an interesting story behind this

              edit: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/24/chariots-of-fire-sequel-greenlit-in-china-joseph-fiennes-eric-liddell

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              It’s nice to know that Kove flies the “religious freedom” flag only when it affects the CO$:

              “The Last Race appears likely to skirt over Liddell’s Christianity –
              Chariots of Fire describes how the runner refused to compete in his
              favoured 100m event in Paris because the heats were held on a Sunday –
              due to the Chinese government’s antipathy towards religion.”

              BTW – Alibaba was involved with MI:5 too.

            • Ella Raitch

              Offshoot of the Chariots of Fire story

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I thought that I saw here reports that Nicole kept the DNA to prove it was Tom’s baby.

          • daisy

            I am sure Suri is Tom*s biological daughter, but it is spooky how much she looks like Tommy D,

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I’ve just had a horrific thought. If this CO$ caused sperm “miracle” had happened when LRH was alive would be now be seeing “Free Sperm Count Test” signs in front of Ideal Orgs like we see for raising your IQ and improving your Personality? UGH!

          • Edward Clarke

            I’m no expert on the subject, but I’m sure there might be dietary and perhaps some surgical methods to help with sperm counts, especially for the super rich. And if so, it’s likely Cruise was looking into them in some way.

            But I’m sure if/when the miracle occurred, he was told it wasn’t due to the 5 year banana diet, or the 4 hour procedure, it was the benefits of OTVIII.

        • romanesco

          Still trying to discredit ‘Going Clear,’ are we? Nice try.

          • Edward Clarke

            What does that have to do with Going Clear?

            • romanesco

              I’ll leave it to the proprietor to deal with you on that score.

            • Edward Clarke

              So nothing then, yeah?

            • romanesco

              As you well know, not nothing.

            • Edward Clarke

              If I know, it won’t do anyone any harm for you to spell it out.

              Aside from the fact there is nothing there about Going Clear, it is clearly presented as old rumours, and then my personal speculation.

            • romanesco

              Tony’s always looking for story ideas. You’re a doozie.

            • Edward Clarke

              There’s certainly a story right here. It involves paranoia.

              You’ve made four posts now without saying what the point is. Why don’t you link my comments – which, based on the responses, appear to have been discussed around here before – to any discrediting of Going Clear.

            • romanesco

              Go ahead and post links to your prior attempts at discrediting ‘Going Clear.’ I won’t mind. Post new attempts, if you wish.

            • Edward Clarke

              Ok, see if you can justify your post on the SIXTH attempt. Even if you get it wrong, or we just disagree, or I think you made a genuine mistake, or if there is a whopping attack on the doc in that post I made that I was somehow unaware of… let us know that at least you *thought* there was discrediting going on above.

              Otherwise I can only assume you are trying to confuse people into believing there is something there which, given what is is (or that it doesn’t exist), it will only fool certain people if you never actually say what.

              We’ve had five content-free accusations, and now you’re sidetracking into older posts and speculating about future ones. What about the present one that you were actually discussing in obscure terms?

              Go on, post #6… an explanation? Or more ‘noise’?

            • romanesco

              Have you seen ‘Going Clear?’

            • Edward Clarke

              It’s getting desperate… 7th attempt?

            • romanesco

              Can’t answer?

            • Edward Clarke

              Another deflection. Can’t answer? I’ve asked you to explain yourself seven times in a row and, without doing so, you have the cheek to come back with ‘can’t answer’!?!?

              You have talked about me discrediting the movie. I take it you read this. Then you’d also be aware I discussed the movie in a way that means I saw it. I included time stamps. I also posted here, on broadcast, screen shots of every change made to the UK version as they occurred. Can’t be done without watching it.

              You were also part of a discussion when I was asked and answered that same question before that.

              So you know the answer many times over. Why ask again? That question was rhetorical, don’t answer.

              Even if you come up with another pointless deflection question, there is nothing to stop you also explaining yourself finally on the 8th attempt in the same post.

              That’s 8th.

              EIGHTH!!!

            • romanesco

              Keep on counting. That’s at least twice now that you’ve refused to answer the question of whether you’ve seen the film.

            • Edward Clarke

              Is this Scientology tech getting thrown at me? Tommy Davis style to see if I explode? Are you going to follow me around saying ‘Still descreditng Going Clear’ for no actual purpose?

              I said FOUR TIMES in the post above that I’d seen it. And that you would have been aware of at least two of them.

              It’s clear you are just about noise (or maybe just have a really low IQ). No point in asking you anymore if are not just lying your ass off. No hopes of you suddenly making a genuine comment on your tenth attempt after nine troll fests, so I’m not going to wait around for it.

            • romanesco

              Right. I’ll take that as a yes, you’ve seen the film. Now. What were the major revelations? (Hint: what did Marty Rathbun say?)

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Is this story about Bella’s birth parent’s new?

      • this is the first time I’ve ever seen anything written about the real mother…. “The story was that this woman had decided she could not afford to look after a third child”…. could be wrong as there’s just so much stuff out there

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          It doesn’t mention that this is an open adoption so I am assuming it wasn’t. I am very uncomfortable with anyone trying to out an adopted child’s biological heritage. If Bella or any adopted child wants it known, that is one thing and it would be up to them to release those details but if she doesn’t want it known or perhaps doesn’t even know this info herself, then this is wrong.

          • which is the point I’m making here; the very fact the DM is doing this is the story to me. There was a recent story put out by his management [I’m strongly guessing] that Kate was looking for considerably more money for Suri… none of the major outlets reported it. This story is appearing agin all of a sudden … who knows, maybe the tried to PR press-gang the DM into reporting it and the relevant editor just decided to write this as a ‘fuck you’.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Yep, maybe. But all they need to do is read the comments. The CO$ has no fan base (to put it mildly). I wish the press would finally stop with the “Cruise is leaving CO$” PR fairy tales though. Then we will know that there has really been a sea change regarding Cruise.

        • Ella Raitch

          I’ve never heard this level of detail before…previously there has been a general rumour that the mother was a Scientologist, maybe a Sea Orger who has pregnant and didn’t want to abort.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I liked this comment:
            “If Scientology was really the life-affirming “religion” it claims to be,
            they should have financially assisted one of their own who couldn’t
            afford to care for her third child.”

      • romanesco

        Which birth parent? His or her what?

  • Commodore H. McCringleberry

    Sorry for all of the O/T stuff lately, but I just his the baseball card all time jackpot with this new warehouse unit. If anyone’s a collector of the vintage stuff, here’s all four of the T206 Ty Cobb variations I found today. Never seen or heard of them all in one place before. There’s a ton of other cool stuff as well, like a box of nearly all of the misprint cards of the 20th century from the Piedmont 150 tobacco Sherry Magie error to all of the variations of the infamous Billy Ripken FuckFace card. I literally can’t sleep because I’m all giddy like a kid on Christmas Eve to go through some more goodies tomorrow!

    • Juicer77

      Very cool πŸ™‚

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      So, what you are saying is that the Bunker has its first whale? πŸ™‚

      • anoni81b4u

        You have to donate a ty cobb to be” Merritus Stuppidust”

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I think the clams have already claimed that title.

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        Meritorious! Now I don’t have to worry about $1400 once-a-month single prescriptions for at least a month or two!

  • Pierrot

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  • hansje brinker

    A Twitter-announcement: Join us tomorrow 14/10/15 Bibendum at 8pm to hear all about The Weird World of Scientology from @johnsweeneyroar Β£3 http://eastbourne.skepticsinthepub.org

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Louis Theroux at the BFI London Film Festival
    (refresh)
    https://instagram.com/p/8voSJoiGbM/?tagged=scientology

    • Edward Clarke

      I dunno if you’re aware of Louis and his docs… this could go anywhere! It could be a humourous take, a bemused glance or a hatchet job (not really his style, but he normally has both participating subjects and ones who don’t abuse him and this might be the first exception).

      One thing I am sure of – if Scientology or Scientologists have any redeeming features at all, Louis will highlight them. Remember, this guy did two documentaries on the Westboro Baptist Church and was as close to sympathetic as could be. He gave them a human face, and let them both voice their beliefs and show him the other side to their personalities. The Phelps Family are debatably the most hated in America and Louis made you almost like them. I had no doubt that Louis personally *did* like them as people (perhaps not Fred himself) and the feeling was mutual (he was invited back after all).

      This guy could find a likeable human face in anything. It’s why he’s so good.

      Basically, if Scientology was smart, they could have used Louis to try and make it look like there was a genuine, decent motive to their belief system, even if ultimately Louis (and the viewer) wouldn’t be taken in by it. But from the previous form, and the sole image we’ve seen so far, I suspect they went the other way.

      With that in mind… just can’t wait to see it. I have a ticket for the 2nd showing on Saturday, and might attempt a Scientology media blackout between the two showings to remain spoiler free (that will please a few folk, I’m sure).

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I looked online for a report of this interview but could find none. I too am wondering how this will play out. The clams had been trumpeting this as the anti-Going Clear because they were included. But if he includes that ambush, the clams will be responsible for letting the world see exactly how they operate. And we know how ugly that can be.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Three 20-something’s outside handing out brochures and begging people to come
    in and be brainwashed -ahem- converted. I literally burst out laughing before saying “you all are fucking insane” #scientology #theyareeverywhere #scientologyhq #crazycakes”
    https://instagram.com/p/8wX-cYuA5j/?tagged=scientology

    • indie8million

      This is the view from the front. It looks like the guy is stopping but, he looked long enough to see what it was and charged on by. I was in front of this testing center in Hollywood (the front of the building above) for about 4 – 5 minutes (in traffic) and not one person stopped when the staff tried to hand them a personality test.

      There were 5 or 6 other people standing around inside, waiting for a fly to come into the spider’s web. This is the SO at work with the public. When I was in Div VI, if the regges weren’t busy, they would go out and body route too. Sheesh.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    No central air at Big Blue? I wonder what determines who is in a room with a window unit, a window fan, or neither. These 100+ degree days must be really uptone in there. Yikes!
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Help! #scientology #building”

    https://instagram.com/p/8w5k5aSUJ1/?tagged=scientology

    • Jimmy3

      Those aren’t AC boxes. Those are entheta filtration units.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Okay, but what is that red thing, on the right?

        • anoni81b4u

          distress flag ? or pirate flag ?

        • indie8million

          Laundry from a guy who couldn’t get libs.

      • pluvo

        The boxes are BT-traps; like the ghost traps in “Ghost Busters”.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh, no! What must this poor doggie be thinking? (in Kiev last week)
    (refresh)

    https://instagram.com/p/8ajlcEIHjF/?taken-by=sofi.revich

    • indie8million

      Would this be termed, “animal abuse”?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Opened up The Hollywood Reporter to discover this first page… ‘Academy members tell THR they have been targeted by the church as screenings prompt fights and police probe the mysterious apparent suicide of Jim Carrey’s girlfriend.’ #GoingClear”

    https://instagram.com/p/8wHtvuEcE9/?tagged=goingclear

    • B4you

      You found a link to this or could you take a picture so we can read it?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It’s great that the story is in print and not only online because young actors will pick this up and wonder if those acting classes at the Celebrity Center are worth it. At least I hope so. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/scientology-ramps-up-going-clear-829957

        • B4you

          Yes the paper press is better to catch those never online, it’s also more trustworthy.
          ETA: But no Vid’s πŸ™‚

  • BuberZionist

    If Scientologists really believed that RLH had powers over MEST wouldn’t they know that he’d see through their fakery. People tricking LRH by definition don’t believe he is cause over matter.

    • Tory Christman

      June 2017…I just saw this, and had to respond. “Wouldn’t they know that he’d see through their fakery?”
      One would *think* so…but you have to remember, $cientology, by Hubbard’s design, is all about keeping people SO busy, they really can’t think, at ALL. So no…it’s just another “hill 10″…(Potential disaster)…with a “Just fix it, damn it, and get on with our stats!”
      If any of us actually thought about 1/10th of what Hubbard said or did, we would have left years ago. πŸ™‚

      • BuberZionist

        Tory, I love the work you do. I feel honored that you responded to me.

  • indie8million

    Terl looking like John Travolta? Coincidence? I think not.