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NYTimes reports link between Scientology and hack of two who appeared in ‘Going Clear’

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[Mike Rinder and Tony Ortega at the Going Clear premiere at the Sundance Film Festival]

New York Times reporter Matthew Goldstein revealed today that before he was sentenced to prison on June 26, private investigator Eric Saldarriaga told Federal District Judge Richard J. Sullivan that he feared for his safety if it became public that he’d tried to help the FBI investigate his clients. In particular, he’d recorded phone calls with his main client, who Saldarriaga now worried “has the means and motive and the opportunity financially to do anything, and to cause great distress to my family.”

That statement was made in the judge’s chambers, and was recorded in a transcript which was unsealed this week. But Judge Sullivan kept hidden the name of the person Saldarriaga was referring to and what outfit the person worked for. But Goldstein now says that the Times has learned that the organization employing Saldarriaga’s client was none other than the Church of Scientology.

The unidentified person that Mr. Saldarriaga taped the phone calls with is described by federal authorities as being one of his main clients in the filing. The client is said to be someone who has done investigations on behalf of the Church of Scientology, said people briefed on the case but not authorized to speak publicly.

The Underground Bunker can now officially say, we told you so.

On June 25, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder and I went public with the information that the two of us had been notified by the US Attorney that we had been victimized in Saldarriaga’s hacking attacks for hire. Besides both being victims of Saldarriaga, Rinder and I both appeared in Alex Gibney’s recent film on Scientology, Going Clear, and we have each experienced harassment we attribute to the church and its private investigators. We pointed out to Judge Sullivan in our “victim impact statements” that the only organization that would want illegal access to our email accounts was Rinder’s former employer. Any other scenario strained credulity, we pointed out.

Now, the New York Times has come to the same conclusion, and we can now show you the documents which reveal just how afraid Saldarriaga is of his former clients.

We’ve posted the documents that were unsealed this week, below. Eric Saldarriaga’s letter to Judge Sullivan begins on page 7, and contains this telling paragraph, which the Times now indicates is a discussion of Scientology…

 
Saldarriaga1

 
The transcript of the discussion that took place in Sullivan’s chambers starts on page 24, and Sullivan wants some justification for Saldarriaga’s request that mention of his cooperation be put under seal. His attorney, Peter Brill, says to the judge that he must know about the “reputation” of the group they’re talking about, and later, on page 8 of the transcript (Page 31 of the pdf), Saldarriaga describes his efforts to help the FBI investigate his client. Here’s just one portion of it…

 
Saldarriaga2

Our attorney, Scott Pilutik, pointed out that the transcript uses consistent, not proportional, spacing, and so a certain organization’s name would fit that redacted spot perfectly…

 
Saldarriaga3

 
Here’s the document — most of which are letters of support from Saldarriaga’s family and former colleagues…

Saldarriaga Order: Letters and transcripts

 
And a letter from Assistant US Attorney Daniel Noble, the prosecutor in this case, supporting Saldarriaga’s request for redaction.

“Unlike Judge Sullivan, Noble’s letter indicates an unskeptical acceptance of Saldarriaga’s fear of a violent threat,” Pilutik points out…

 

Saldarriaga Order: Noble letter supporting redaction

 
Indeed, Sullivan not only was more skeptical than Noble about Saldarriaga’s fears of retaliation, he pointed out, on page 10 of the transcript, that those of us who had submitted victim impact statements had more to worry about…

THE COURT: The people who wrote letters, the victim impact statements, those are not sealed at this point.
MR. NOBLE: No, those are not sealed.
THE COURT: It seems to me that those people are at the risk of greater harassment than Mr. Saldarriaga at this point; yet there’s been no attempts to seal those submissions.

Still, Sullivan held back the name of the person working for Scientology who hired Saldarriaga. So who was it?

“I assume it’s David Lubow based on the fact that he’s been engaged in surveillance and spying against the most prominent Scientology critics over the last decade,” Rinder tells me. “Lubow is the go-to guy for Scientology when it wants dirty deeds done cheap.”

We made numerous attempts to reach Lubow in the last week to try and ask him about this case, but he’s made himself scarce.

We hope the FBI has some interest in looking him up as well.

 
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  • BraveBloggers

    This says it all IMHO…,”THE COURT: The people who wrote letters, the victim impact statements, those are not sealed at this point.
    MR. NOBLE: No, those are not sealed.
    THE COURT: It seems to me that those people are at the risk of greater harassment than Mr. Saldarriaga at this point; yet there’s been no attempts to seal those submissions.”

    What is the common thread there? Most see the inference that is easily made.

    Also, the following seems telling to me,”I was able to connect REDACTED. with the head of REDACTED to REDACTED. a private investigator who has conducted illegal investigations for REDACTED.”

    Notice the periods after those redacted names. Not a period and a new sentence, but perhaps like the name of an entity or organization who is known for using intermediaries to try and not have A lead to B to C.

    Bottom line, it appears to walk like a duck and quack like a duck. You don’t need to necessarily have been a duck to know this is duck like behavior or SOP.

    • Juicer77

      I’ve read this three times and I still don’t understand. Can you please clarify?

      • BraveBloggers

        I’d be happy to (and will edit for clarity if need be) but can you please point out which (if it’s not all) I should clarify? And I promise, that isn’t said in a snarky way at all. I sometimes get so excited by what I see that my post can be sloppy.

        • Juicer77

          Sorry, going back to reread. I guess the periods after the redactions confused me.

  • anoni81b4u

    My work is done here today 🙂

  • outraged

    Based on other sources besides the court hearing doesn’t Matthew Goldstein already know it was Ortega and Rinder named in the suit?

    • Juicer77

      Perhaps I am still confused (not a surprise) but I believe the Tony and Mike’s involvement has been known since the victim statements. What was unsealed yesterday was the documents showing Mr. Saldarriaga’s clients (if only redacted).

      • outraged

        Unless I missed it, there was no mention of Tony or Mike in the NYT’s story.
        Which seems weird.

        • Juicer77

          They were not named, but this is the mention. Easily found via web search of previous NYT articles. “Federal prosecutors filed victim impact statements from two people who have been outspoken critics of Scientology.” Interesting that they were not named.

          • TonyOrtega

            That’s just your typical NYT style: play down the only interesting shit.

            • outraged

              EggZackalee! That is my point.
              Typical NYT conservative shit. They didn’t even get to the meat of the matter. No guts.
              I was all ready to cheer Matthew until I read the article.

    • Even from the court hearing.
      Investigator Gets 3 Months in Prison in Hacking Case June 26, 2015, Matthew Goldstein, New York Times

  • MaxSpaceman

    O/T. Who is and who is not pro-anti: Skrillex is pro-scientology. – See more at:http://www.fuse.tv/2014/03/skrillex-scientology-upbringing-homeys#sthash.eJYGtp3I.dpuf

    Skrillex on Scientologists: “They are my homeys.”

    … the EDM (electronic dance music) megastar doesn’t outright identify as a member of the church, but he’s hardly sworn off the contentious belief system: “There’s some fundamentals that were really positive that will always stick with me,” Skrillex told Rolling Stone.

    Regarding the world’s most famous Scientologist, Skrillex told Rolling Stone the media is too quick to salivate over negative Scientology-related stories: “Tom Cruise jumps on a couch, says some sh-t… [but] I feel there are so many other actors and figureheads—whether they’re doing drugs or whatever—that are doing a lot more negative things [and] don’t get as much flak.

    “The one thing about Scientology is [that] the people that are in it, that are doing it, are people of good will, man,” Skrillex explained of the belief system that includes Will Smith, Beck and numerous other A-list stars. “Those are my homeys. Those are people I grew up with.”

    • Juicer77

      I don’t take advice from people who changed their mind halfway thru shaving their heads.

      • arcinva

        As someone that rocks an undercut, I should be offended but that was just plain funny.

        • Juicer77

          But on you it looks GOOD! 😉

    • jeff

      This is OLD!

      • MaxSpaceman

        Not old for Bunker visitors who never saw it, Jefferson. It’s for nottrue, who I thought I saw post a while back that skriller wasn’t into scilonese.

        • jeff

          I thought I saw a puddycat!

          • MaxSpaceman

            puddytat 🙂

            • Juicer77

              Chin scritches!!

          • Snippy_X

            puddytat

      • Eclipse-girl

        Elle referred to Skilerez as a musical genius on The Examiner yesterday.
        Some laughed at the reference and it was later deleted.
        She also claimed that Skillerex was raised with scientology, but is no longer a scientologist.

    • Mockingbird

      We can have a special stay at the RPF for the Celebriots who support Scientology. They can disconnect and get away from It all .

      • MaxSpaceman

        Scilon CelebriBorg will groan on the RCF, the Rehabilitation Celebrity Force.

        • Mockingbird

          It can be a reality show !

  • TonyOrtega

    So, now that we know Judge Sullivan and the two parties were discussing Scientology in his chambers while they made the rest of us wait for the open hearing to start, how disingenuous was it for the judge to act like he didn’t know what I was talking about during my testimony, and ask me how it was possible for him to give me more information about Scientology’s involvement? Wow. Nice act, Sullivamp.

    • Sherbet

      Pretense of impartiality?

      • TonyOrtega

        Oh, I don’t doubt there’s some judicial justification for it. But the mf-er made me feel like a fool, and I literally stormed off from the witness stand after saying there was no point in continuing any longer. Dude got my goat. But I’m still looking forward to seeing a transcript of it someday. Heh.

        • Sherbet

          Either some judicial justification or a power play. You’ll win in the end. The NYT article marks a shift in the church’s balance. We all feel it.

          • Mike Leopold

            The mills of the Gods grind slowly,
            but they grind exceedingly fine.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Did.not.know. He must have been quite a pompous ignoramus. Now who looks like a fool?

        • Simi Valley

          CICS.

    • FollowTheMoney

      Understand your irritation, but was it the courts role to give crime victims more info or was it the prosecutors or investigating officers?

      • Bert Allen

        The FBI now staffs positions dedicated to Victim’s Assistance in each Field Office. I don’t know if USA’s Offices have similar positions. The Federal District Courts do not have such a position.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      He seems incredibly naive about CO$ and perhaps way out of his element. He sure didn’t seem to understand or buy the chult’s history of stalking and intimidating those it considers a threat. No doubt a real loss for Saldarriaga’s family, friends and contacts.

    • Narapoid

      Arrogance of the bench… I have a retired attorney friend who said that many of thejudges he had to work with were hacks as a lawyer and some flat-out stupid. This guy seems arrogant, removed, AND stupid.

      This is OT but I noticed you will be in Austin the 25th but haven’t given the venue. I’m guessing it will be at the Tommy Davis compound and dude ranch where he will announce HIS book. Just guessing…. 🙂

      • Bert Allen

        Many State and Local judges are hacks, but Federal Court judges are typically very qualified. Of course there is an exception to every rule.

    • Juicer77

      I need some time to process this. It’s… disturbing. I need Allison Hope Weiner, Mike Cavaluzzi or Loni Coombs on speed dial to dissect this.

    • thetastic

      Slimy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Surely he wasn’t thinking, “What an odd coincidence– Scientology twice in one day.”

    • Mike Leopold

      Sometimes, Justice is not only blind, but deaf and dumb as well.
      But Preet Bharra can still do the right thing…

    • Not disingenuous at all. No where in the unredacted portions is there any mention of the Church of Scientology.

      Judges have to work within the rules. The defendant stated he was worried about retaliation. The prosecutor agreed. The judge had to weigh that, against the public’s right to know. While I’d love to see unredacted copies of the filings, I can understand why the judge made his decision.

  • AutmnWinds

    Oh, sweet justice. I know, don’t count your chickens….but, a fella can dream.

    • Sherbet

      We’re all dreaming along with you, Winds.

    • Is AutumnWinds = JohnnyTank(Forever Autumn) or “no relation”?

      • AutmnWinds

        No relation. Sorry.

        • That’s ok, just wondering

          • AutmnWinds

            Forever Autumn was a cool song though.

            • So as the album from Lake of Tears.

            • AutmnWinds

              Thanks for the recommendation Dodo, appreciate it.

            • AutmnWinds

              Thanks for the heads up Dodo!

            • Welcome! 🙂

  • H. Keith Henson

    If you use “terrorist” in the sense of an organization which has terrorized the government, then Scientology is that organization. The FBI will not name or investigate Scientology. Normally law enforcement comes down harder on the person who orders arson or murder than the perp, but again the cult gets off. Well, not surprising. They were ordered to back off when the FBI was about to raid gold base over the people kept prisoners in “the hole.”

    I am reluctant to suggest the obvious, but it’s really clear that the government is not functional in this business.

  • Snippy_X

    They mention a recent “international heist” and there seems to be some connection to the UK. This came up at the top of a search:
    Red Bull Formula 1 Team’s Trophies Stolen in Weirdest International Heist Ever
    http://carbuzz.com/news/2014/12/9/Red-Bull-Formula-1-Team-s-Trophies-Stolen-in-Weirdest-International-Heist-Ever-7724141/

    Also, was he referring to the Sea Org here? What are these websites?

    THE COURT: Do you think they are going to do something to harm you?
    THE DEFENDANT: I do think that.
    THE COURT: What ‘s your basis for thinking that?
    THE DEFENDANT: These are former military people,
    these are people who have positions due to their protection.
    They have websites where, you know, they train in camps, you
    know, for investigations, you know, like paramilitary-type
    training camps .

  • Rasha

    I read the news today, oh, boy!

    • Always Amazed

      I love to turn u on.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Prepuce and Fry for the win.

  • nottrue

    • PerpetualOutflow

      That grand building is being defiled with a CO$ sign on it.

  • Kestrel

    O/T: The Freewinds arrived in Aruba just before 6am today after a one-day trip to Willemstad, Curacao. Looks like it skipped Bonaire this trip. So, are all the classes and the Maiden Voyage done while docked?

  • outraged
    • Juicer77

      Eh, lovers’ spat. Whatevs 😉

  • Juicer77

    (f5)

    • Juicer77

      1happybodythetan, I see you. Welcome 🙂

  • Eclipse-girl

    I need to interrupt the Birthday Party for Jeffrey Augustine with a public service announcement

    Please click on the heart at the top of the comments.
    Please check this article and make sure you have clicked the heart there.
    It is a recent addition to the bob duggan lists that I have been listing. it is low in the recommended count.

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    Please flag the clammy CL ads

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • PerpetualOutflow

    All the Prepon focus of late reminded me of something I’ve wondered about for a long time: Are $cieno celebs coerced into doing interviews for Celebrity and making other public PR appearances for the chult? Does it get them some kind of ethics chit, or maybe a discount on future services? Surely they know the risks to their reputations yet they do it anyway.

    • Juicer77

      Good question. Yes. Inherent in any cult mentality is control and threat of repercussions if you don’t play happy-happy all the time. Ms. Prepon may be threatened with any number of things that hit her close to home, so to speak. She may even think she’s HAPPY to do this, but I guarantee if you gave her a month away from $cispeak and her $ci “friends” she would start to question things.

      • salin

        Its like Stepford wives with a specialized vocabulary, per the mind control to act happy-happy all the time. Sad.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Having to act happy happy about your alleged wins from auditing is one thing, but seems like putting yourself, your reputation, and your career at gigantic risk by participating in $cieno PR interviews and events presents a whole other dilemma to the $cieno celeb.

        • Juicer77

          True. This may be the crossroads where the belief intersects full-tilt with the public reaction. We shall see!

  • Juicer77

    No, that makes a lot of sense. I just wasn’t making the connection. Blame the French white wine!! Thanks for explaining 🙂

    • BraveBloggers

      No blame but me. Work plus exciting Bunker news can equal, for me, poor articulation of the possible, but maybe not highly probable, “may be’s” that float around this gourd of mine.

      And never blame the wine!!! Drink it! 🙂

      • Juicer77

        ‘s good. I like it a lot. Zzzzzzzzz…….

  • TonyOrtega

    Just imagine the stern language in the letters the NYTimes is getting right now from Scientology attorneys about the church’s mention in Goldstein’s story. I can only hope they’re being written by Riffer and will make their way to us eventually.

    • A bird in the chimney

      “This is unmitigated bullshit, you bigoted assholes. All the news that’s fit to print my ass.”

      • Juicer77

        XD

    • Juicer77

      Futhermore! And so on and so forth!

    • And Bodhi Elfman somewhere threatens to unsubscribe.

      • A bird in the chimney

        From The Weekender. Because Bodhi Elfman is the kind of guy who only gets The Weekender.

      • Jimmy3

        Bodhi Elfman: CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION RIGHT NOW!!

        NYT Sales: Okay, sir, I’d be happy to do that for you. Can I have your name, please?

        Bodhi Elfman: You know who this is! It’s Bodhi. Fucking. Elfman.

        NYT Sales: I, uhh… Don’t know what that is. Is that a company name, or…?

        Bodhi Elfman: Dammit! Not this shit again.

        Bodhi slams the phone down.

        Bodhi picks up the phone and presses ‘END’

        • A bird in the chimney

          “Bodhi picks up the phone and presses ‘END'”

          Snarfed loudly enough to startle the cat. #thanksobamaj3

          • Cat pic, please.

            • A bird in the chimney

              She is being uncooperative (definitely not ready for Mr DeMille), but she sat still long enough for this snap:

            • She is a Queen! What’s the name of Her Majesty?

            • A bird in the chimney

              She IS. Believe it or not– Lovely. 🙂 I also call her Miss Dainty.

            • Way cool 🙂 Thanks for the photo.

            • Juicer77

              Ooooo, I see some Abyssinian there 🙂

            • A bird in the chimney

              Could be! I have no idea; she’s a stray who graciously took over my life awhile ago. lol

            • Juicer77

              A mystery is so much more fun, anyway 🙂 She’s a beauty! And Lovely. Very appropriate.

            • A bird in the chimney

              Quite so. I’ll pass along your compliments! 😀

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              What a gorgeous cat. Would love to post photos of ours, but I don’t want our creepy little pals in OSA to have a picture of our own Miss Lovely in their files.

            • A bird in the chimney

              🙂 She is quite the looker (and knows it). Thanks. And yeah, totally understand that; better safe than sorry. Give her chin scritches from me!

          • Jimmy3

            Up voted for the first and last time I’ll ever be mentioned next to Obama.

            • Jimmy3 and Obama walk into a bar…

            • Robert Eckert

              and Jimmy says “I always do everything three times. Are you going to be President three times?” And Obama says that there is a constitutional amendment forbidding that and explains the history behind it.

        • Juicer77

          Love this so much, mostly because BE is such an insufferable arrogant a-hole.

        • NYT Sales: We can not cancel your subscription Mr. Elfman, because you never had one.

          • Sherbet

            I’m not sure Mr. Elfman can read. What’s the point of a subscription?

            • thetastic

              Cat box.

            • Juicer77

              Zing!!!

      • If there was ever an excuse to bring back [or buy the rights for a one-off episode] of ‘Celebrity Death Match’ then I’ve always imagined a tag-team of the Elfman’s versus the Cardones… Grant might have the size and muscles on Bohdi but that’s balanced by Jenna versus the Harpie… a scriptwriter’s dream. If I had the time I’d fire up my storyboard software and teleplay the whole thing….

        • Jimmy3

          Jenna fought Kathy Griffin on Celebrity Death Match. I don’t know or care who won, but I saw it on YouTube without watching it.

          • I took some screengrabs awhile back from the 2 and a half men episodes she was as noticed the second time round that the car she’s attacking ‘belonged to her psychiatrist’ and her subsequent scenes were pretty vitriolic against psychiatry in general… mentioned at the time that I found that a tad strange and wondered if she had any input

        • Some really awkward bitch slap fest, I imagine.

          • no, no, no…. you could have loads of fun with this; “Oh no, she’s channeling Xenu”… It’s the Postulation power ray versus the Enturbulation smart bombs”…. “Oh No, a car has entered the ring and ran over Jenna… but what’s this, we have Tom Cruise being lowered from the ceiling… ” etc etc

            • Upvoted for hilarious gif!!

            • arcinva

              MY EYES!!!!

            • BlondesAreDumb

              Gawds, Lush: This picture might violate some US Supreme Court ruling. Something to do with obscenity and community acceptance standards based on a George Carlin case and his usage of language in comedy, I think. Could apply to pictures, who knows Check out the case please before any more Travolta pictures. This is painful for me, the public.

      • Stephanie Loving

        chortle

    • Mark

      (F5):

      • Juicer77

        Vintage tenners + 10 points 😉

      • Juicer77

        Corgis have the most awesome pantaloons. I say this from experience walking behind many canine rear ends. That is all.

          • Juicer77

            It’s a good thing Corgi Lawyer does not represent me because I would spend all my time giving tummy rubs and that is decidedly NOT courtroom etiquette.

            • EmmaDaoust

              and ear scritches 🙂

            • Juicer77

              Under the collar… top of the haunches… oh yeahhhh that’s the stuff!

            • EmmaDaoust

              With that big Corgi grin.

            • April

              I don’t like little dogs, but I make an exception for Corgi’s because not only are they adorable they also have such cool personalities/temperament.

        • beauty for ashes

          I asked my friend who has a corgi with great ears what do you think the ratio of his ear to leg length is? she said 2 to 1! It’s like the golden ratio of dog cuteness!

          • Juicer77

            I have a corgi client who is one of my faves. So grumpy and sweet. I love it!!

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t have any lewd jokes for that. There is a half-Corgi right next to me. She knows where I sleep.

          • Juicer77

            WHICH HALF?!? A German Shepherd with tiny legs or a Corgi with Borzoi legs?!? Either way I will SQUEEEEEEEE.

            • Pantaloons is a funny word. That’s all. Also, cats would never wore those.

            • Juicer77

              Cats do not deign to pantaloons. Nekkid or not at all.

        • Always Amazed

          We call them bunny butts…

    • Sherbet

      stern language = ecclesiastical use of the word “bullshit”

      • Mockingbird

        Is it going to be provable or unadulterated ?

        • Sherbet

          They need new adjectives. cob has consulted with Dan Sherman, and he has come up with “malleable,” “Sanforized,” and “bucolic,” but none of them fits. He’s working on it, rather, Karin Pouw herself is drafting a letter of complaint, even as we speak.

          • Mockingbird

            I cannot wait ! I want to start on my mad libs ! I have unadulterated bullshit and provable bullshit and ecclesiastical and never met , never talked to, never heard of , proported , apostate , bitter defrocked apostates, other fish to fry , the classics – CICS who SCOHB . And there are so many more to collect !

            Let him die , if he does he dies .The Tommy Davis collection .There is no such thing as disconnection.
            ” . . . it just isn’t true. There isn’t any such policy in the Church that’s dictating who people should or should not be in communication with. It just doesn’t happen . . . ”
            “[I]f the injuries that [Hubbard] handled by the use of Dianetics procedures were never handled, because they were injuries that never existed; [then] Dianetics is based on a lie; therefore, Scientology is based on a lie.”

            I need a few more gems . None from Hubbard, that is too easy .

    • aquaclara

      The letters might be late. Davey needs new adjectives….and expletives.

      Now, if he would just let us help….

    • BlondesAreDumb

      Times are anew. Scientology scares very few entities now. Legalese away, you gaggle of attorneys.

  • Robert Ramsay

    Inch by inch — line by line — with a descent only appreciable at
    intervals that seemed ages — down and still down it came! 🙂

  • Frank Lee

    Reading this makes me so angry. The letters have the same themes and as if written by the same person/entity, and signed by the individuals. It is more than typical Scientology narcissistic terminology. This PI’s only concern is for himself and NOT the risk he placed upon the people he targeted knowing full well the dangerous nature of the cult. What triggered my PTSD was the phone call he received which was almost identical to two I received at one point, one at my home, one at a business where I worked part time. My children heard those messages too! I have little or no sympathy for him.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      So sorry Frank.

      • Frank Lee

        I also have a similar letter from the Department of Justice regarding the theft of my mail which I believe is absolutely linked to the cult.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          No doubt whatsoever.

  • Sherbet

    OT: There’s been an uptick in the crime rate in L.A. It’s time to recarpet the city with The Way to Happiness booklets. You in, Baca?

  • Where the hell is Baby?

    • Sherbet

      Maybe her trip wore her out. Where’s The Hole?

      • Juicer77

        She has been devoting herself to Real Life lately. It’s all good 🙂

        • Sherbet

          OK, thanks. I know there’s been some health stuff going on among a few Bunkeroos.

          • She is taking care of Mr. Hole and is around. We had no updates from Baby in a few days.

            • Sherbet

              We do watch out for one another, don’t we!

            • Yes we do.

      • aquaclara

        She sent me some whoop whoop cheers today when she read this post today! She’s here in spirit!

      • Juicer77

        ROFL!!

      • Vaquera

        You have to warn me!

      • April

        “… presumed cranky…” and in need of a good long nap.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Baby is Ok and still under the weather with a doctors visit coming up.

      • Thank you, Sys! <3

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Welcome Bro. An old problem may have returned. We’ll see and we’ll hear from her soon. I know she misses and loves all her Bunkeroos.

          • Damn. I hope we hear from her soon. Sending good vibes Baby’s way from The Bunker!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Oh Dee, I hope she is okay. Please send my love.

      • Always Amazed

        Thanks dee. 🙂

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        …Or hops in to say “Pie!”

    • BlondesAreDumb

      She’s causing hell at libraries around the globe. Why get kicked out of just one.

      Miss you Baby. Please come back — you spirited, independent dynamo.

    • Baby

      Oh sweetie Dee sent me your message.. I have a lot of tests coming up soon so maybe they will figure out some stuff. I am lurking everyday as much as I can. I don’t want you to worry.

      Seriously.. I just don’t have very much energy.. Love you Dodo.. So far so good. They just couldn’t get me in sooner for the stupid tests.

      So far so good.. and I am hanging in… thank you for thinking of me. Maybe the company is wearing me out.. Plus keeping up with Rev. Mama and Bury.. I have to recuperate!

  • anoni81b4u

    Off topic .
    Remember Colombia?
    This is not a picture I made! I just got this from the scientology website … LMAO

    • Juicer77

      They just shooped in the super powerz pic. LOL!

      • Sherbet

        Damn CICS tree blocking the falling ribbon. Should’ve cut it down.

        • Juicer77

          Cuz gawd forbid any Sea Argher enjoy that 3.2 sq ft of shade! I’m surprised it survived.

          • Sherbet

            They’ll be burning the wood for fuel when the org can’t pay its utility bill.

      • Sherbet

        Look — to the right of the street light. It’s Ben Affleck. Now, this explains the divorce.

      • noseinabk

        Still planning on being in DC Sunday? Just in case, my email is Noseinabk2 at gmail. I will be in DC with my kids but am attending the event alone so would like to know a few bunkerites to hook up with.

        • Juicer77

          Yes, I will email you 🙂

    • PerpetualOutflow

      If you look at the very bottom of the photo, why do the bodies of the people on the right look so much larger than those on the left side?

      • Observer

        Wide-angle lens tech.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Maybe I’m missing the point, but wouldn’t the people on the left at the same latitude so to speak as the people on the right be the same size unless the photo was doctored? We know it was of course, but that seems like a silly oversight. Then again, I’m not a photographer.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Like the truth, they stretch it beyond any reasonable comprehension, than point with pride at the result.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Mebbe they have more body thetans?

    • romanesco

      Just for comparison:

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Gee, a few more people showed up! haha

    • aquaclara

      Notice how very very tiny the fake people are I. The front, ext to the building and under the confetti. And yes, of course Scientology has been caught shooping confetti and balloons, in addition to the fake humans.

      • Ben Franklin

        It is all about the fake expansion.

    • dungeon master

      Since when did they set off two separate sets of balloons and confetti? And on the other side of the building? Makes no sense!

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        I doubt they did. If you study the top 10 or so balloons on each side I see them as the same balloons, just two different clusters rotated. I don’t use any photoshop type software, but for anyone who does I believe they could cut and past with those clusters and see a very exact match by doing a cut and rotate

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          They don’t dare shoop people any more, but they have been “caught” adding balloons and confetti. In Portland some of the balloons were exact matches. There was also no point in the video when all the stuff in the sky was present at the same time. I guess they think it’s just a little white lie– not like photoshopping whole crowds of duplicated people.

    • edge

      The copy on the site says 2500 showed up. Hat tip to our correspondent for demonstrating again, CoS bullshit. Photoshop + Wide lens = Expansion!

    • Always Amazed

      That is hilarious, it is amazing how openly dishonest

    • When an organisation can’t be satirised – when they actually do the stuff that people invent to mock them – then they are in serious trouble.

      The CofS seems to have abandoned any attempt to generate a positive image in the wider world. There only activities there are crass and counter-productive attempts to intimidate perceived ‘enemies’. Now it’s all for internal consumption.

  • Frank Lee

    Page 24 Line 14 of the transcript all but admits that Scientology is involved.

    • FollowTheMoney

      Of which document? I just checked the 38 page one and can’t see anything Scientology related on page 24/38, line 14.

      • Frank Lee

        The one that says “Letters and Transcripts.” Sorry, that should have been page 34, NOT 24, I hit the wrong key. Follow the page numbers on the top, and the line numbers on the left. I tried to copy and paste the exact lines, but it comes out with only one word per line and lots of lines in between. The line begins “Mr. Noble: No general information, other than the fact that … It refers to harassment of other victims (implication Mike Rinder and Tony Ortega, etc.)

    • PerpetualOutflow

      You’re right…seems pretty clear.

  • Mockingbird

    So , to recap we got Going Clear the film then Neurotology the video then let him die the story then Tony and Mike Rinder got hacked the story then news that if he dies he dies the book is coming and now the New York times is on the hacking story- what can be next !!?? They generate news so fast critics cannot sleep.

    Maybe their strategy is to lay a constant barrage of negative PR so we all die from sleep deprivation ! Fiendish !

    • Robert Hammond

      And don’t forget The Unbreakabke Miss Lovely.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Was just going to add that! Thanks

        • Mockingbird

          Added ! 🙂

      • Mockingbird

        Added !

        • Robert Hammond

          Narconon fail in Trout Run. Toronto conference. Leah Remini and Carmen Llewelyn’s articles. More negative publicity for Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Laura Prepon. Louis Theroux documentary coming soon.

          Daily news pouring out of The Underground Bunker. The best is yet to come.

          • Mockingbird

            Was there a day with three Narconon fails ? If I remember right that was big .

    • arcinva

      “They generate news so fast critics cannot sleep.”

      Tony’s going to need to hire some help. 😀

      • Mockingbird

        Yeah , someone of his caliber .

  • SP Wogsy

    Alright, I’m celebrating this with a tequila sunrise and popcorn. Who wants to join me. Also, it’s Jaden Smith’s Bday – the irony!!!

    • this popped up….. and might explain a few things

      pic

      • Judith Sylvester

        Aw, sweet, a genuine smile, and happy eyes…. Back in his pre-poseur days.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        What, no chain locker?

  • arcinva
  • flyonthewall

    Jesus, plan to drop by for a brief friendly chat and hello but instead I run into a shit storm. Now where’s my umbrella?

  • Lady Squash

    Really sad for Saldarriage. Another life ruined by the savoir of mankind. (head slowly shaking back and forth in silent disbelief)

  • flyonthewall

    “In the end prosecutors decided the information he provided was not enough to pursue charges against anyone else” – From the NYT article. Well that’s a fuckin’ bummer. I was seriously hoping there was something cooking for those who hired him.

  • PickAnotherID

    Wow! Someone wake up the folks at the IRS and let them know the NYTs just handed them a giant clue stick for going after the Cof$.

    • Robert Hammond

      Someone invite them to see Tony and Paulette in Washington DC on July 12th. That will wake them up.

    • Mockingbird

      Hell yeah !!! 😀

  • Mockingbird

    Man , if that Scientology cultTV ever gets up and running we can suggest a ton of programs .

    If he dies he dies – the musical .With songs like – let him die , Davey , you’ve been a bad boy , me and my silencer , and many more .

    The game show RPF where you can win rice and beans ! Try musical chairs , the running program , gang bang sec checks , work thirty hours sleep three ! And we can have Celebriots RPF where Scientology celebs can put their asses on the line !

    We can have the OSA files and Scientology PIs . Play the fair game game . Ruin utterly for ecclesiastical fun !

    • SP Wogsy

      I laughed out loud. Thanks for my B.E.T.E ; )

      • Mockingbird

        Bunker Evening Time Entertainment ?

        • SP Wogsy

          Bunker Entheta Therapeutic Enhancement

          • Mockingbird

            Wow , that’s Scientological .

            • SP Wogsy

              I am not taking the bait. : )

    • Newiga

      Don’t forget “Reg Boat”, a Scientology rip-off of Love Boat, that takes place on the Freewinds and follows the times and lives of Scientology regges.

      • Mockingbird

        Yes !! Watch them lie through their teeth to get stats up and their commission checks !

        • Newiga

          and desperately try to come up with new “conferences” and events to lure Scios on the boat.That’s comedy gold right there. 😛

          • Mockingbird

            It can be a horrible Love Boat knock off !

      • SP Wogsy

        F5

  • … so it’s apparently these two comedians [who I’ve never heard of] who are actually bringing down scientology…. http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/interviews/a36237/tim-and-eric-zone-theory/

    pic

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      back a few years, they made a film called Tim and Eric’s Billion Dollar Movie, about what they’d be like if they were fantastically rich in Hollywood. There was a terrible joke about dick piercing and it pretty much seemed like it wasn’t a joke at all and if they were that rich, they’d be a douchy as possible. AVOID!

      • I guess I’m fortunate in never having heard of these guys AT ALL…. what is interesting is that this is the second scientology story from Esquire [of all magazines] in a couple of days…. hmmm

        • Well, if the “Brahs” are on board then it really is about to jump the shark XD

    • Jimmy3

      If you can have anyone from Adult Swim to get after Scientology, you want the Aqua Teen Hunger Force. But if Tim and Eric are taking shots at them, hey, the more J&D, the merrier.

    • scottmercer

      Not a Tim & Eric fan (though Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly are, apparently, so whut do I know?), but as Jimmy said, anyone that wants to pile on the cherch is welcome.

  • flyonthewall

    Hey IRS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwS66EBUcY

    Preferably he wears a leotard, headband and legwarmers

    Also plz see Pixar’s new movie Inside Out (bring a box of Kleenex cuz you’ll need ’em)

    • Supper Powers

      What woman can resist a man in leg warmers?

      • flyonthewall

        my heroes have always worn leg warmers

  • another hmmm, and why it pays to follow google alerts on all clam celebs (Jenna Elfman in this case) …. from The Atlantic of all magazines; the thing that struck me here is how the politician involved said:

    “”She was the most reasonable person I’ve had a discussion with on this,” Gonzalez said about her discussion with Elfman. “It was very civil compared to everything else. She was a nice woman, just wrong.”

    • relevant piece in a screengrab

      pic

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        CC INT ED 2107 DATED 1995 for distribution to RTC, CSI, Celebrity Centers, All Orgs

        titled ” Utilization of Scientology Celebrities”

        Guideline and Checklist…..

      • Totally off-topic, but did you shut down your blog?

        • looks like OSA managed it… am continually contacting google but it doesn’t look good at the moment

          • I’m going to try something. Who knows, I might get lucky.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I have to wonder how many people Jenna is telling to vote for this politician she cozied up to and if that needs a look at by the IRS.

  • also I missed the follow up TMZ did on Cruise in Nashville video… the shoe-horned Going Clear jokes into it and ripped on it being a PR campaign [guess they got rid of that clam mole there, ed]

    http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_n3k09cap/

    • Oh now TMZ finally found their balls and make jokes about scientology and Tom Cruise, and references to Going Clear. Cool TMZ is cool.

    • Mockingbird

      TMZ has questionable taste but they get eyeballs and some of their audience will use our friend Google and find critical information. The internet is Scientology’s Vietnam. Let’s make it Scientology’s Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      • Spackle Motion

        Vietnam didn’t necessarily break the United States and it was a far cry (for casualties) than WWII, so I’m not sure that is an apt analogy. The Internet is disinfectant on Scientology’s virulent bacteria.

        • Mockingbird

          I meant Vietnam was a persistent problem , while Hiroshima and Nagasaki were final .

  • OT: Hey Bunker, I have no excuse for posting this song except that I think it’s pretty. Night 😉

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZtYa7UhCWc

  • Robert Ramsay

    ok well this is a match on the redaction

    Specifically with regard to an individual that
    Mr. Saldarriaga. recorded phone calls with, who was associated
    with , the Church of Scientology it was our understanding that
    he did feel a threat to his personal safety if that were to
    become public .

    someone want to check the character count
    could be right or wrong and I don’t know if this has been posted yet.
    just finally getting to have a look.

    • Robert Ramsay

      hmm just read the complete post. Like a race horse to water.

  • Commodore H. McCringleberry

    So I promise to not bring up non-Co$ related 3D printing except on very rare occasions, but after a day of designing using a template that I found and 14 hours of printing the final product, I managed to make a successful Game of Thrones phone charging station (except the hole for the cord is just a little bit too small). Charge Your Phone on the Iron Throne!!

    • coonellie

      Commodore, I’ve read a few articles on 3D printing and I still cannot wrap my brain around it. Maybe it’s the word, “print” that stops me. I keep thinking 1D. Do you recommend a book or an article (doesn’t have to be online) that would be a good primer? Thanks!

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        I’ll look around and try to find something that sums it up well. The reason that it gets confusing this that there’s a lot of types of 3D printing. Basically, I have a machine that, layer by layer, makes a 3D object from a roll of plastic filament that looks like weedwhacker line. It prints from the bottom up in tiny layers (about .3mm in height) and builds the object vertically. This iron throne print has 621 layers, for example. There are other styles of 3D printers, some that make prints with a laser from a vat of resin, but most you’ll find in someone’s home or shop are FFF (Fused Filament Fabrication) machines. These machines spool out filament, melt it and then layer it on top of the last layer and over and over until you’ve got a finished part. The designing is sort of a fun part, and I’ve done a few joke Co$ crosses for fun which came out really well. The nice thing about the 3D printing community is that while some companies sell ready to go printers for truckloads of money, a lot of places sell really well designed and quality built kits for you to build yourself for less than a third of the cost of a comparable machine that is supposed to work out of the box. Considering that these machines operate in tenths of millimeters when printing, if you build it yourself, its way easier to keep it working. Also, there’s new an exotic materials coming out every day. Check it out:

        Here’s the best description I could find of 3d printing as a whole: http://www.instructables.com/id/3D-Printing-1/

        For info on all the different materials you can print with a standard FFF machine, check out this site. They’ve even got Bismuth and Tungsten filaments to make radiation shields!!

        http://www.matterhackers.com/store/3d-printer-filament?t=1.75mm%20Specialty%20Filament

        • coonellie

          Thank you SO much! Just your description of the process, in layman’s terms, helps me understand the process. I kept thinking “printing”, but if I understand you correctly, it’s more like micro-manufacturing a product layer-by-layer.

          I’ll read the instructables article first. (That is Mr. C’s favorite place :).

          • Commodore H. McCringleberry

            The Instructables article I gave you is terribly out of date. Check this video out instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5AZzOw7FwA

            Materials for home printers are growing in leaps and bounds. Matter hackers website had only 25 or so “specialty” filaments at the beginning of the year. Now it’s 89. There’s various metals and woods (usually 80% dust of the material and 20% plastic binder- so the finished product acts like the main material- lets take bronze for example- it can be polished or if you use wood filament it can be sanded or carved). Also available are various flexible materials that come out like various densities of gel or rubber, and you can dual print with dissolving styrenes that let you print impossible geometric shapes once the support is cut off. Also, the first chocolate printers are now on the market. DM probably already has one.

            • coonellie

              C-H-O-C-O-L-A-T-E printers? Okay, now I will study the video :).
              This is great, thanks!

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          oh wow…Bismuth and Tungsten..now I can take of my tin/aluminium foil hat and still keep OSA out of my mind.

      • Just watch new Avengers movie, they printed another superhero in it.

    • BlondesAreDumb

      Amazing!

    • ReallyMGM

      I am super impressed. I can’t imagine how much monofilament line I would waste before I made my first creation!

  • I have this gut feeling that David Miscavige lurks a lot here lately. Like personally.

    • Supper Powers

      I wonder if he lies in bed at night with his iPhone, reading and crying, in the dark.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      He goes by Frodo the Taser. Sue him. Sue him now.

      • Need dox.

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          The Frodo part was to illustrate the underwhelming physical stature of the Chairman of the Board, Religious Technology Center. If I had dox, he’d be dox’d.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Richblackman. The “black” is a crafty way to throw us off the scent.

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          Is the “black” part the color of his AMEX? Perhaps he’s doing a doubt formula for not going Quintuple Magnesium with the IAS by last Thursday at 2. . .

          • Graham

            The colour of his heart.

            • giggler

              what heart??

            • Graham

              If memory serves (in the Monique Rathbun case??) his own legal counsel conceded that he might well have a ‘black heart’.

            • giggler

              missed that one, I stand corrected

            • chukicita

              Yes – I remember “Captain Blackheart” 😀

        • EmmaDaoust

          I happened to be looking at a list of Beatles songs, and oddly in alphabetical order was:
          Baby’s in Black
          Baby You’re a Rich Man

          Coincidence?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Certainly odd enough.

    • Dodo,

      Who could he trust from the Int Base Incomptents to monitor such a hive of wogs and entheta?

  • sizzle8

    Definitely plausible.

    • chukicita

      thank you for doing this so i didn’t have to! 😀

  • Sarcasmo

    Considering that 8 July is historically a terrible day for the clampire, I propose a sort of sort of holiday for us Scientology watchers and critics.

    • 8th of July exposing big lie.

      • Jenny Daniels

        Dodo, do you never sleep?

        • I do, I swear.

          • Anonymouse

            “I do, I swear.” says DodoTheLaser, *while hiding the pot of strong filter coffee brweing in the background*

            • Schofferhofer grapefruit currently. I do appreciate good coffee though.

  • Are_sics

    That the NY Times is paying attention at all is such a grand thing! Story’s got legs.

    • ReallyMGM

      It is great they are paying attention, but I wish they had given a couple of column inches to Tony and Mike’s part in it.

  • Anonymouse

    I have a terribly warped sense of humour, and when I read the line “Dirty deeds done cheap”, immediately I thought of AC/DC’s “Dirty deeds done dirt cheap”, then immediately I went to this, it’s done using that AC/DC song, but called “Dirty deeds done with sheep”… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-4lk2-UA_I

  • BlondesAreDumb

    You can hide the facts for just so long. Good journalists will ferret out the truth sooner or later, and courageous and ethical editors will publish the truth.

    • Supper Powers

      Agreed. Also, show me the client list.

    • ReallyMGM

      Applause for all the working reporters, whether they work at a community newspaper or a large, corporate owned giant.

  • Cheers to OSA brigade! Your doubts are valid. ML.
    Steppenwolf – Born To Be Wildhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ivRRrUhz4Q

  • So, just like the case of the PI caught with a gun silencer in his car (an offence with up to 10 years sentence) but who talked and got a light sentence, the hacker type person in this case talked, helped the FBI and got a light sentence (after recording hours of conversation with an entity who was hired by another entity).

    Sounds juicy. And since Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige spoke in person to the PIs trailing his father, not much of an effective cutting off going on at all – the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology could be directly involved.

    This could turn into a nice little case. Inurement is a heck of lot less complicated than human trafficking and the consequences of the IRS deciding to stop financing the illegal actions of the PIs hired by the Co$ could be very significant.

    Time to stock up on popcorn shares…

    • ReallyMGM

      The Feds took down Jim Bakker and the PTL network for much less than this bunch. All it took for that mess to implode was a little sex scandal.

      • A pregnant ‘Communicator’ might just have an impact…

  • Eclipse-girl

    OK, its very late.
    Why I am still awake???

    Please click on the heart on the top of the comments
    PLEASE check this article about Bob and trophies. It doesn’t have many red hearts.
    It needs your love

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    Flag these clammy CL ads.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    • Newiga

      Turned the heart red. You can go to sleep now. Sweet dreams. 😉 (I’m at work)

  • SP Wogsy

    O/T: Someone posted a Larry Wollersheim video talking about his experience in court with the church a couple of days ago. It was about 13 min long. I’ve been trying to locate it, and I can’t seem to find it. Can someone please post a link if you have it? Thanks in advance.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Thursday, 09 July 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2545282

    Wag a co$ ad today: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5 … Cliff by Bob Kåre flickred by Aeger Primo : https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16165152329/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Morning, on it! Click Click

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Just took an OCA online for fun and got this.
    “Unlike many other personality tests online, this test is very scientific and actually requires a highly-trained Test Evaluator to interpret the results for you, in person. ”

    1. No this test is just like other online personality tests only less fun.
    2. No thanks I don’t like talking to salesmen. Though saleswomen, well, maybe. But knowing Scientology they’d bait and switch me even there.

    • ReallyMGM

      The OCA test has even less validity than the “What Kind of Sexy Are You” and “Test Your Sex IQ” quizzes found in Cosmopolitan magazine. And they are much more boring to take!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He He, now i wanna take one!

        • ReallyMGM

          As perverted as LRH was said to be, he probably had “very special test” for young girls. EEWWWW

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I think he had his own little short, blonde haired boy who took care of his needs. Like cleaning those hard to reach places. Ewwww!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      They use the hotties to do that, too. Can’t imagine trying to be celebate in my late teens early 20’s. What a waste!

      • Edward Whalley

        All they seem to have in New Haven are greying ex-hippies. Sigh.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          That’s good for the confused at Yale and anybody else that thinks with their other head like I have too many times.

          • Edward Whalley

            They’re hot for greying ex-hippie men?

    • Todd Tomorrow
  • ReallyMGM

    OT (and sorry about the length)
    CNN is doing their series on the 70s and this week is crazed killers and cults. Included with Manson, Bundy, Gacy, and the Peoples Temple. I skipped through most of it, but there was an interview with Congresswoman Jackie Speiers who was Rep. Leo J. Ryan’s assistant who went to Guyana with him. She was shot five times at the runway and almost died from the severity of her wounds. It was a miracle she survived. There was also a quick quote by Lawrence Wright, who wrote an accurate and moving long form report in the New Yorker about the three surviving sons of Jones. (His writing brought me here after reading Going Clear)

    If there is someone in Congress who might listen to family members’ concerns about Scientology, Speiers could be the person to talk to. Congressman Ryan was an outspoken critic of Scientology and the Unification church. (Sadly one of his daughters became a follower of the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh cult after Ryan’s death.) Since elected officials usually only accept mail from their constituents, it would probably be more effective if 1) you are in her district, 2) the family member you are concerned about is in her district.

    One sad note while watching the clip…Speiers was taking official statements from several people on a bench if they wanted to leave Jonestown on the last day. All three people she talked to have now died. The young woman due to illness, the elderly woman (grandmother) several years later of age. One was a teenage boy, 21 years old named Chris O’Neill. He left with the Congressman and survived the airport shootout. He came home to the U.S. with nothing but the cloths on his back, intensive FBI interrogation and being called a “crazy cult member” by everyone. Sadly, about six months ago and on the week of the Jonestown anniversary, he “committed suicide by cop.” His family and friends said he lived with profound depression and had never gotten over the horrific experience of the People’s Temple, living in Jonestown and witnessing the airport shootout. It has been almost 40 years and yet another sad statistic of this destructive cult.

    If you or a loved one are a survivor of any cult, please ask for help. Coming out of Scientology where “psychs are the devil” is tough, but I can assure you that is just one of the plethora of lies of L. Ron Hubbard. Steve Hassan at freedomofmind.com is a great resource by someone who has walked the walk. He can also refer you to someone in your area if distance is a problem. You have taken the biggest step getting your body physically free from the cult, but now freeing your mind is the next important step. Ask for help! Don’t try to do it alone.
    Life is good, celebrate!

    Let’s clear the planet….of Scientologists!

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. They are just that pathetic.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      $cientology, it just gets worse.

      • Somehow ‘Worse’ just doesn’t seem to,cut it descriptively. It just isn’t powerful enough.

        Problem is, I’m totally unsure what word we should be using. Maybe:

        $cientology, it just gets esponentially more fucking awful.

        How’s that work.

        David ‘Let Him Die’ Miscavige has a lot to answer for. I await seeing him handcuffed in the back of a police car. I’ll take great pleasure seeing that picture, which may make me a vindictive Wog, but I don’t care.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Power to you vindictive Wog, I’m one as well. In fact I pride myself on it! If they’ve got a black list I’m proud to be on it!

  • Tracy Schmitz

    and NOBODY IN, INCLUDING THE CELEBS know about any of this!???!!!!! (much less the literally countless overwhelming number of other “bad’ stuff going on? is this what we the wog world are supposed to believe? and who do you think is ordering this stuff to be done mr.cruise?” oh wait, don’t tell me it’s ‘all lies, religious bigots, everyone is lying, it’s not true, i didn’t know, all for the better good as they deserved what they got, blah, blah, blah)..boycott MI:5 and everyone involved in this cult… take a stand with your wallet….

    • Jerseygram

      I haven’t gone to a Tom Cruise film in over ten years.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I refuse to give any of them my money or time.

  • Lighthouse

    Miscavige’s complacency and arrogance will catch up with him and he’s going to hang himself hopefully sooner than later. Those he employs, I believe, will not take the fall for him and eventually there’ll be just too much information or evidence for the FBI to enable them to go for the kill.

  • Meepthorp

    Did anyone notice the date of the FBI investigation (March 13th) and the name of the prosecutor (Noble)? BBWWWAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!! Anyway, it sounds like Saldarriaga has either read “Miss Lovely”, or he has actually been threatened. If he has actually been threatened, that should definitely launch a criminal investigation.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    This NY Times acknowledgement of Tony Ortega’s scoops may spark the long overdue congressional action. An AUSA had acknowledged that agents of the church are dangerous and violent. So, when do the raids and indictments start? How much more evidence does the government need to do its job? Thousands of people have been and are being harmed by Miscavige. Millions of tax empt dollars are being laundered through Miscavige’s personal piggy bank for illegal purposes. The Department of Justice has to stop blocking efforts of honest law enforcement officials to bring down Miscavige, and congress has to act now!

  • SciWatcher

    The most important take-away from this is that the FBI is investigating the cherch.

  • LZ

    I love it!!!!! I wonder if the fbi every really stopped investigating the church in the first place?!?!? I bet many bunkerittes are doing the happy dance right now! Love me some $cien flap!

  • Rita Gregory

    The Times! This is awesomesauce!

  • A New Day

    Maybe I’m simple, but there are 2 things that make me go hmmm? (Only 2? I probably am simple!) Why is it that the FBI never seems to have enough to pursue the CIC, I mean “Church,” given the investigation into human trafficking that went nowhere, and now this cooperation from the Mr. Saldarriaga, for a year, that wasn’t fruitful either. And, who is this powerful person, who lives overseas and has billionaire friends?

    “And, you know, one of those persons, you know, I explained to them had ties in foreign governments and had done a lot of – – you know, a lot of wrongdoing internationally, had a lot of money and ties with people in foreign countries who are billionaires.

    “I provided – – the court has information that could have led to the arrest of these people. I used language that was language that I wound never have used under the instruction of the FBI, which raised suspicions to these people. And these people were coming to meet with me, at the last moment the FBI seized interest in me [note: I believe this should be CEASED interest] or removed the recording device from me to meet this person. So now this person saw the article; they know; they have a bone to pick with me.”

  • Jgg2012

    “The NYT is an alien implant with a small readership. Their claims are provable BS. Mr. Miscavige would respond to, and disprove, these defamatory allegations but he is too busy opening 3 ideal orgs a year.”

  • bougiefever
  • Of course they’re going after his family What did this Republican dumbfuck think he was doing working for the fucking mob?

  • Marc Watt

    Umm wow. So why no litigation on this?

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Found this on Mike Rinder’s blog. Sorry to have missed it till now. Wow, what yoou both have been through.