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Ron Miscavige, his book ‘Ruthless,’ his nervous son, and Scientology Watching’s new reality

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[Suppressive persons Leah Remini and Ron Miscavige]

The earth moving under your feet this week has not only knocked a few things off your shelves, we do believe it represents a tectonic shift in the world we live in.

That world being, of course, Scientology Watching, which will get another seismic jolt tonight with ABC 20/20 ‘s episode featuring an interview with Ron Miscavige about his tell-all memoir, Ruthless.

We’re still recovering from last night’s shock to the system, when we learned that Monique Rathbun filed to end her harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology by trashing her former attorneys in outrageous terms. Obviously, we still have a lot to learn about what went into Monique’s decision (or her ghost writer’s) to backstab the legal team that had brought her through solid court victories only to be fired and then accused of incompetently writing her lawsuit so it would be vulnerable to Scientology’s delaying tactics.

But whatever went into that decision, it seems obvious that Mark “Marty” Rathbun’s influence on the world of Scientology is now largely over. For years, we wrote that no one represented a greater threat to the continued existence of the Church of Scientology than Rathbun and his website. But this week’s court filing appears to end what had been a truly remarkable chapter in Scientology history, 2009-2016, when Rathbun and other top former executives made a bold move to challenge David Miscavige and change the narrative about how Scientology was described in the media. Beginning with the appearance of Rathbun’s blog and the “Truth Rundown” series in the Tampa Bay Times in 2009, through the filing of Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit in 2013, and with the publication of Janet Reitman’s Inside Scientology (2011) and Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear (2013), as well as Channel 4’s Scientologists at War (2013) and Alex Gibney’s film version of Going Clear (2015), the Rathbuns led a media tsunami that exposed and accelerated Scientology’s ongoing crisis in faith that was fueling an exodus of longtime members.

But this year, things have changed. We’ve been featuring a remarkable set of new defectors and others who are once again adding to and altering the narrative about what Scientology is and where it’s going. And as you wait for tonight’s powerful television event, we invite you to read, or re-read if that’s the case, and discuss what we’ve come to think of as the “Class of ’16,” the notable new figures who are changing Scientology Watching in big ways…

— Paul Burkhart, the newest top management defector who brought us shocking new observations about the current state of Scientology (part 1, part 2)

Nora Crest, who has used her infectious speaking skills to bring media attention on Scientology’s homophobia

Skip Young, who is connecting Scientology’s history of spying with today’s toxic environment of disconnection

Phil and Willie Jones, who have brought a new focus on disconnection that the media is eating up

Lucia Ribisi, whose defection has connected Scientology’s celebrities with disconnection in a drama that’s only beginning to unfold

Gregg Hagglund and Peter Ramsay, whose stories highlighted the grim ending chapters some lifetime Scientologists face

Ron Miscavige, who is turning his family’s wreckage into a referendum on his dictatorial son, Scientology leader David Miscavige

Lisa Marie Presley, who is making David Miscavige pay for his policy of celebrities as ornaments

While we wait for tonight’s big show, we look forward to your thoughts on whether we aren’t seeing a major shift in the way Scientology is perceived, and whether it will survive.

Your proprietor will be traveling tonight, so we’re going to be relying on our readers to provide the live-blogging on tonight’s 20/20 episode. We’re sure you won’t let us down.

In the meantime, we’ll plague you with our latest media appearances, some of which you’ve already endured, we have no doubt.

We always love being on Allison Hope Weiner’s Media Mayhem program at TheLipTV (where, we should note, we work as executive editor)…

 

 
Yesterday we also talked with Celeste Headlee for Georgia Public Broadcasting’s program “On Second Thought,” about the new Scientology ‘Ideal Org’ in Atlanta…

 

 
And on Wednesday afternoon, we had fun, as usual, on KABC 790 with Jillian Barberie and John Phillips. Our segment starts at about 19:45 in…

 

 
Oh, and one more thing…

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 29, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Qbird

    Heck of a night. Thank you, folks, all y’all. tomorrow’s another day. c ya then ~

  • TexasBroad

    Your eyes told the truth
    As your mouth told the lies
    Just thinking, I guess, of what corrupt money buys

    You sold your soul to a faux pope
    and bought him some spies
    And cashed in on the money to tell all his lies

    But you’re under the bus now
    In line of the fire
    Having failed at your job as the mouthpiece for hire

    You tried your best though
    in all the upheaval
    To paint “No Big Deal” to cover the evil

    No one can say that you didn’t try
    But it will all be over in the blink of an eye

    • Bea

      Love it!

  • Monique “Blinky” Yingling’s telltale eye-flutter when she’s lying is considerable. Well, that was an interesting hour of television. I especially liked how they showed the numerous, creepyfake videos of Scientologists fawning over Miscavige. Yeah, that looked all normal as fuck.

    • Joe Hurtado

      Indeed. I thought her stylist should have advised against the distracting false eyelashes (or super-excessive mascara?) because they just quite didn’t fit her look as a middle-aged professional, but then I thought maybe Monique herself insisted on them thinking that they might be implicated in her incessant eyelid fluttering rather than the obvious lying tactic. Glad to see it wasn’t just me

      • Liberated

        Maybe we should chip in and buy her a bottle of Visine.

        • Joe Hurtado

          Or a glue solvent?

  • Susan B.

    So we have Nightline after Jimmy Kimmel. Will there be more CO$ coverage? I don’t usually watch TV don’t have it at home.

  • Cars

    Holy moly, it’s just not going to stop tonight. (Happy Birthday, COB!)

    A short film has been made of Blown for Good.

    This is the announcement from RM productions on their FB page. https://www.facebook.com/rmproductionsonline/posts/1091595547563133

    “ESCAPE” TRAILER RELEASED: BREAKING FREE OF SCIENTOLOGY

    In light of Ron Miscavige’s “Ruthless” exposé and impending tell-all interview on ABC 20/20 TONIGHT, RM Productions and Truth Told Productions bring you the trailer for their new short film, “Escape.”

    Based on the acclaimed memoir “Blown for Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology,” “Escape” adapts the true-life story of former Sea Org members Marc and Claire Headley as they struggle to free themselves from the hands of Scientology.

    Current students at the Beverly Hills Playhouse, filmmakers Karla Zamudio and Rachael Meyers say this piece was born thru a class assignment. Every year, each student in the advanced class must make a short film with one condition: it must be about real people in real situations.

    Meyers remarks, “The condition means to keep the films grounded in hearty storytelling rather than flying off into GlibLand. Nowhere did it say it had to be an adaptation of someone’s life. But when Karla came to me with this story, I couldn’t resist running with it.”

    But it’s more than just a good story. Co-Writer (adaptation) and Producer of the film, Karla Zamudio has a personal connection:

    “I left Scientology, because it became overbearing and interfered with my personal life, career, and spiritual growth. It had become more about profit and recruiting new members than helping me. When I learned that several of my personal friends who previously worked for Scientology had been mentally and physically abused by the organization and wrote a book about it, I immediately felt compelled to tell their story.”

    According to his memoir, Marc Headley and his wife Claire spent 15 years inside the Sea Org’s International Headquarters, garnering physical and emotional abuse. Only in 2006 with the help of the police and his father was he able to finally escape and later, get his wife out too.

    Zamudio recounts her time inside the walls: “I had the privilege of working with Marc a few times at the heavily guarded Scientology compound in Hemet, CA and I can attest to some of the facts he shares in his book. Marc and Claire Headleys’ brave story demonstrates how courageous and determined the human spirit thrives under challenging situations.”

    Meyers: “The Headleys have been so generous in granting permission to their story for this short film. It’s an incredibly brave journey. Having the privilege to portray it has definitely given me a new perspective on what stories can be told versus what stories should be told.”

    Writer/Director/Producer Rachael Meyers founded RM Productions in 2011. Through various projects, she has had the pleasure of working with talent such as Gina Hecht (“Seinfeld”), Rob Brownstein (“Argo”), Elisa Gabrielli (“Madagascar”), and James Kyson (“Heroes”). Her films have garnered awards at festivals across the country, including Best Direction. http://www.rmproductionsonline.org

    Writer/Producer/Actress Karla Zamudio is a former member of the self-proclaimed organized religion, having escaped in 2008. In 2014, she founded her own production company Truth Told Productions: a company focused on telling stories inspired by real life events with characters who thrive under challenging situations. A native of Los Angeles, she is known for roles on shows such as “Southland,” “Mistresses,” “ER”, “The Shield,” and “Maximum Ride: The Angel Experiment,” among others. http://www.karlazamudio.com

    Starring Bryan McKinley, Alexandra Bayless and Mark Gadbois, “Escape” is currently in the festival submissions process.

    The trailer can be viewed online here: http://www.vimeo.com/rachaelmeyers/escapetrailer

    • Madison KinSmed

      Didn’t Milton Katselas own the Beverly Hills Play house and use his acting classes to recruit people into scion? So ironic!

      • Cars

        Yes. Tony wrote some touching stories about him, either here or at the Village Voice.

      • Spackle Motion

        It’s karmic. I love it when the bad guys lose!

    • Nice actress who plays Claire.

      Not a redhead though. Marc might be disappointed.

      ETA: https://www.facebook.com/ali.bayless.9?fref=ts

    • JanInThePan

      This looks great!

  • scnethics

    Just watched Ding-a-ling on Nightline. It’s true: scientologists are so well conditioned that they automatically disconnect from family and friends – they KNOW what they need to do and they DO it. I did it myself, so I know.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    West Coaster here just saw 20/20. Did anyone else watch the Apple ad that ended in “Just blow” , something I’ve never heard before. Cute ol’ codger Ron. Sr. Ron Jr. blew correct? Wonder why he decided not to speak up?

  • Xenu is my Homeboy
  • Douglas D. Douglas

    ABC 7 here in LA is doing a major news story on Laura DeCrescenzo. Long item complete with Laura herself heard from.

    • Cars

      It’s live now http://abc7.com/live/ Tony is on.

      • Vaquera

        Stop it!! Must.go.to.sleep.now.

        • Cars

          I. Know.
          Me. Too.
          Make. It. Stop.
          I should have been sawing some zzzz’s about 4 hours ago.
          OK. I. Stop. Now.
          Good night. Muah!

          • Baby

            Night cars.. beep beep.. tttttttttooooot.. xo baby

            • Cars

              Toot, tttooootttttzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

              (See you back in the Bunker in 4 hours sharp, young lady!)

          • Juicer77

            beep beep!

            • Cars

              I’m upvoting in my sleep. At least, I hope I am. Because sleeping is what I should be doing.

              I thought of you today and finally got some English cider for tonight but never had time to take a sip. Maybe I can drink and upvote in my sleep. What a wild night.

              Glad you have arrived. I’m leaving everything in your capable hands. Don’t worry, I’ll do clean up in the morning. The Bunker is a happy disaster, I’m sure. If you could kindly welcome the new commenters that are about to arrive, I’d be ever so grateful.

              A demain… nite, nite.

            • Juicer77

              Will do. Bonne nuit!

        • Baby

          I’m done.. yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn night honey.. night everyone.

        • Ella Raitch

          Awwww guys – I’m just settling down for the afternoon

      • Juicer77

        Link to story…http://abc7.com/news/scientology-woman-alleges-forced-abortion-in-lawsuit-vs-church/1316454/
        Laura and her attorneys did not comment (very smart), but Tony did a great job.

  • aurora50

    Favorite ABC tweet:

    “Tom Cruise thinks that David is the top Thetan or top spiritual being
    on this planet.” – Ron on son’s relationship w/ Tom Cruise. #abc2020

  • ShevilKat

    OMG– abc 7 Los Angeles covering Laura Decrecenzo’s lawsuit! Big segment!
    ETA–and there’s Tony!!!

  • Graham

    Unable to watch as in UK, so thanks for the commentaries guys.

    Since Tommy Davis went Tone Minus 8 and Karin Pouw disappeared $camatology’s been through a period when they’ve had no spokesperson to give a face to their lies. Is Yingling now going to be their regular ‘go to’ person or was this a one-off I wonder? Scientology’s now so crippled that the only way they ever get anything done is to pay wogs to do it for them. Not a single true believer left who can be trusted to lie for Slappy. Their talent pool’s been completely drained.

    Did Yingling really use the words “workers’ paradise” or are you guys putting words into her mouth here?

    As to ‘literary forgery’: if I write a book and then say ‘Hey guys, I’ve just discovered Hitler’s diaries’ then that’s a literary forgery. If I write a book and say ‘Hey guys, I’ve just written a book’ then it’s not. Simple. The fact that she’s not grasped this would indicate she’s not the sharpest tool in the tool-box. Being stupid enough to think it’s a good idea to shill for the scam would indicate this too.

    • Spackle Motion

      “workers paradise” sounds so…..communist. The cult keeps using that phrase, which points to one person controlling what is said.

      • Liberated

        If it’s so much a worker’s paradise, why then must both incoming and outgoing mail be opened and read? What are they so afraid of ?

    • Madison KinSmed

      IIRC, she really did say “workers paradise” & brought two huge wrapped baskets of baked goods from Hemet. And she blinked incessantly. She also made overboarding sound like something fun.

      Edited to remove tmi

      • Juicer77

        Aw, poor girl. 🙁 And poor you! Owie!

        • Madison KinSmed

          I was actually aiming for a comic effect but thanks for the sympathy. 😆

      • califa007

        Scn put out a video a few years ago – a PR piece on Gold where they refer to it as a “workers’ paradise.” Reminded me of the videos time share salesman use to sell real estate. It showed tennis courts, IIRC a golf course, swimming pool, etc. for the “workers.” As a former Sea Org member pointed out at the time, these were never used. What also struck me as strange was that there were no humans in the video tour, anywhere. Acres of grounds, lots of facilities, but not one person in sight.

        Sorry – this comment was meant to be in reply to Graham, although it follows up on your comment as well.

    • Gus_Cox

      Yes, she said, “worker’s paradise.”

      • Graham

        Thanks Gus!

    • Juicer77

      Yep. That exact phrase.

  • Glibby

    Yah hoo, now there’s a story on the 11pm news about Laura Decrescenzo, with footage from our LA press conference in 2010, and some footage I sent to ABC of Sea Org workers digging holes at gold base, and some RPFers at Big Blue. It took a while but they finally used it.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I wondered where they got that footage.

    • Baby

      Oh Great Glibby.. Thank you from the Bunker.. Woo Hoo..

  • Liberated

    I have a feeling the wee lad is not even in country, I bet TC took him away to ease his nerves. Poor thing, and on his birthday no less.

    • Gus_Cox

      Ha ha, poor bastard. Fuck him! lol

      • Juicer77

        Tell us how you really feel, Gus. 😉

    • Juicer77

      I have this picture of them sipping priceless scotch while sitting on a multimillion$ yacht, with their feet propped up on the backs of Sea Arghers.

  • StudentOfLife

    Wow! the ABC Channel 7 Los Angeles station piece on Laura Decrescenzo right behind 20/20 was simply devastating. The Bunker front page was given prominence, as was Tony Ortega, and it was a long detailed piece beginning at 11:09 PST and ending five minutes later. Tonight in LA, home to the greatest shrinking number of Scientologists, a double hurricane hit the criminal syndicate and their psychopathic COB David Miscavige. Great job Laura, and Tony nailed it mentioning how they had already gone to the Supreme Court to stop her without success. Hope the news piece shows up in Saturday’s post. Tick Tock Davey!

  • Mockingbird

    Yingling admitted that overboarding and disconnection exist. That’s a huge contradiction to the Tommy Davis days. And it should always be taken up in the future that these practices are clearly in Scientology doctrine and that the group lied about them for decades in the past. Scientology loves to emphasize credibility, so point out that Scientology has zero credibility.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’d never heard that being done at Int,waterboarding.”it’s totally a voluntary disciplinary..” That really made them look insane. Some great parts to educate the public although that the US taxpayer pays for this abuse should have been mentioned.

      • Juicer77

        They covered a LOT in 45 minutes of report. Let people do some digging and discover the Co$ still has that tax exemption in place and watch the fireworks!

        • Graham

          A pity they didn’t find time in the program to mention that this is all being done with tax exempt $. 🙁

          • Juicer77

            They mentioned the exemption briefly, early on. Let people dig and find out it’s still in place. See my comment above. 😉

        • Todd Tomorrow

          In a perfect world they’d do the research but sadly they pay very little attn. to anything that doesn’t have a laugh track.

          • Juicer77

            The smart, effective ones will pick up the scent. It only takes a few to shake things up.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    That was a LONG item on ABC 7 here in SoCal. I am attaching a few images I was able to grab:

    • Ella Raitch

      About time this got some serious mainstream coverage.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I was gonna say if any case needs some attention right now it is hers. Fuck psycho Marty whom was given a great deal of coverage and he repays Tony by threatening him. Lora’s case has dragged on forever but thankfully Tony follows it. The media will hopefully follow with a show devoted to just her.

    • Juicer77

      Great!!!

  • littlefish

    The difference in tone between Ron and Lawyer-Bot5000 are astounding. I hate to fall into fauxtruth telling, but she blinked SO MUCH during her answers and Ron was so steady even an idiot could tell she was lying.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I bet she’s headed to the Hole or the RPF’s, RPF. She looked scared and came across as a sociopath. But Wogs just get replaced,

    • Yingling flunks for blinking.

      After all Ron Sr.’s training was good for something… 🙂

      • Juicer77

        *snort*

  • Mark Fisher

    Tonight on ABC 20/20 they told the story of Ron Miscavige and his son David Miscavige who is the head of Scientology. I knew Dave since he was 16 and have known Ron for many years. ABC used about 30 seconds of a detailed 3 hour interview they did with me and that is fine with me. I know they have time constraints. I did the interview to help back up my friend Ron who was coming under attack by Scientology and to continue to point out the abuse of families going on through disconnection. I hope he sells a lot of books. Please note – the lawyer that Scientology had on the program has been paid tens of millions of dollars over the past 30 years defending what goes on there. To her, Private Investigators are “no big deal”. She has been bought and paid for many times over and is unaware of what really goes on behind the scenes. Thanks also to all the other people who were on the show and participated – Gary Morehead, Shelly Corrias, Lois Reisdorf, Lori , and everyone else.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Sorry to hear that Mark. I really haven’t watched network TV in years and the ads seem to equal the content. yinaling is a Wog but I thought for sure she knows what goes on.

    • StudentOfLife

      Thank you for your courage in speaking out. I watched it with four friends astonished but now understanding my fascination with watching this shrinking “cherch” crumble slowly but surely. Three of four people commented how believable you were and the fourth wondered why aren’t they tailing you given what you know. Great job Mark!

      • Mark Fisher

        They already did that for 19 years. I left in 1990 and they had 2 separate PI’s who infiltrated our company and became my personal friends and they were being paid millions to spy on me and my friends here in Las Vegas. They were exposed in 2009 and I haven’t had anything like that going on since.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I remember that it was a wild infiltration.

        • Juicer77

          Glad you’re free from it now!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Mark have you ever found out what happened to your”wealthy” friend who seemed to show up everywhere? Didn’t he contact you after he was exposed?

    • Madison KinSmed

      Good on ya for standing by Ron and backing up the disconnecting policy. Maybe ABC will use more of your interview later because I don’t think this story is done.

    • TexasBroad

      I can’t even fathom what that woman has had to file under “no big deal” to do her job over the years…she may not be a Scientologist but she is just as damaged by the amount of cognitive dissonance she has had to apply to live her life.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Sociopaths don’t know that they are one. But I’m so glad she did a horrible job. Nice to bring a bread basket with her instead of a bag of beans and a bag of rice.

      • Mark Fisher

        She is like a Mob Attorney. Doesn’t want to know where the money is coming from as long as she is getting paid, will do and say anything.

        • Newiga

          Disgusting…. Sends chills down my spine to think that there are people like her…

    • JaxNGold

      Thank you so much for standing up and telling it like it is. I hope more of your interview gets out.

    • aegerprimo

      Thank you for posting this info Mark Fisher.

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for speaking up and supporting Ron through this.

    • Baby

      Mark thank you so much..We had such a great time watching it tonight. I’m sure so much was cut.. but what stayed was awesome.

      You guys have many fans here tonight. Critics who have watched this dangerous cult for years.. plus Newbies just catching up.

      The Truth is being spoken. We are very proud of all of you. Can’t wait to read Ron’s book..

  • Graham

    Just checking- I’m assuming Yingling is a wog lawyer; though some comments below imply she’s a clam? Anyone know for certain?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Sorry she is a Wog lawyer.

      • Glen

        Are you sure Todd? I thought I heard otherwise.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I always get her mixed up with somebody else. She is a Wog.

          • Graham

            I’d be surprised if Blinky McBlinkFace were a clam as doing that blinkless stare is one of the first things they teach you.

    • Juicer77

      Every source says she’s a never-in. But last night’s performance was really something, huh?

  • Baby

    Hey Miscavige.. Bunker is ON Fire..Feel the Burn..f5

  • edge

    I missed 20/20…just watching the clips I can and reading the ABC articles I can. Overboarding is voluntary? That’s a new one. It’s not punishment, it’s meant to cleanse oneself. Wow, the whoppers they tell.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      “It is voluntary punishment” whatever the fuck that means.

    • madame duran

      Overboarding is the new “baptism”? LOL!

  • Bob

    I loved the lie where cherch lied that miscavige was personally selected to take over when Hubbard died.

    • Baby

      What a F*ckin lie Bob.. honestly.. They ain’t kidding anyone. Jeeze.. Always so happy to see you here honey.. ALWAYS.. xoxo ok that is it..night… computer is off..

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Leaving so soon Baby? What are your crimes?

        • Juicer77

          She has to get up early to chauffeur her puppeh around. 😉

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Which one? The one that wears diapers? Makes me giggle she really has to do that.

            • Juicer77

              She is a devoted puppeh momma, that’s for sure! 😉

            • Baby

              Absolutely Ridiculously so.. I love my babies more each day… I just want to sqqqeeze them.

            • Baby

              All 3 of them sleep in diapers hahahhaa Todd.. They all sleep in bed with us and when my hubby goes to work he changes them and puts them back with me in the bedroom .. I just feel better.

              They are usually dry when I wake up.. but.. ya never know what will happen cause the door has to be closed because of the A/C..xo

            • Baby

              Juice is talking about Lulu who rides on my Scooter with me… xo

          • Baby

            Of course I do Juice.. Poor Lulu it rained so hard tonight..no ride.. she was pouting..

        • Baby

          I couldn’t sleep.. I kept thinking about DMs crimes.. but just too many.. too many..

    • Juicer77

      *That* lie… wasn’t sure which one you meant. 😉

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Strange Pat Broeker wasn’t mentioned. Once again no time for the ads. It should have been at least twice as long. Gibney mentioned doing a follow up doc to Going Clear.

      • Juicer77

        I hope he focuses on the tax exemption campaign and the church’s violations compared to other groups. I have no problem looking closely at every single group that gets an exemption.

  • Baby

    Night everyone.. What a night.. Look at the numbers.. No denying .. Tony O was the place to be tonight..xo love baby

    • Madison KinSmed

      Sweet sleep, Baby!

      • Baby

        Thanks Maddie… xoxo

  • Baby

    shit I forgot..ibetty’s confetti.. xoxox fabulous day/night.. f5

  • StudentOfLife

    Been waiting for the 4,500th comment for a few moments. Everyone is going to sleep, lol. I’m catching up! It’s now 4,500 comments with 275 unique viewers clicking on the “recommendation heart.”

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, new readers. Did you know the “church” of Scientology’s tax exemption is **still** in place, so we are all silently supporting this criminal behavior? Report them using a 13909 violation form. You can do so anonymously. Read about it here: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/04/14/how-to-simply-and-effectively-report-the-church-of-scientology-to-the-irs/

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Did anyone notice the Apple Ad ended with”Just blow” HaHa!

    • Juicer77

      LOL – no, it didn’t air where I was.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It was right at the end of the ad. Very funny.

    • You didn’t know Tim Cook is the leader of Anonymous?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I didn’t but happy I support Apple. It truly was a joke by some body that had to be approved. I’ve been an Apple geek before the ipod came out. My desktop talked to me and would wake me up if there was only very serious news. Should have kept them as they are worth a fortune now.

    • Mymy88

      Seriously? That is awesome! lol

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It was very funny.

  • Lionel Drinkwater

    20/20 did a mediocre job. That tired old shark in lipstick Monique Yingling made the show incredibly dull. She was a lying Scientology lawyer and those are a dime a dozen. There is only one Ron Miscavige and he should have been the central subject of the show and not Scientology’s usual vitriol. Seriously, who wants to hear the dull and impotent venom spit out by a toothless church?

    20/20 turned what could have been an Emmy into an eminently forgettable episode that was nothing more than a said/she said between Ron Miscavige and Monique Yingling. In doing so, 20/20 did an enormous disservice to Ron Miscavige and everyone who contributed to the show. Ron showed great passion, pain, and humanity. 20/20 allowed Yingling to blunt this by merely nay saying Ron with her lies. Yingling had been coached to be at the tone of boredom and this killed the show. 20/20 got played by a FOS Scientology lawyer.

    The vast chasm between Alex Gibney’s Going Clear and this edition of ABC 20/20 is enormous. Gibney and HBO know how to tell a compelling story and how to stand up to Scientology. 20/20 was essentially bullied into playing OSA’s game and played it to a stalemate. The result, as I said, was mediocre.

    • Juicer77

      I see what you’re saying, but I thought the comparison was well done, with so many people going on camera to support Ron. All the church provided was cheesy video clips. NOT ONE parishioner interview. That speaks more than volumes, and 20/20 made it clear.

    • madame duran

      I haven’t watched the 20/20 episode myself so I’ll reserve comment on its quality (I was reading the Bunker commentary during the first airing of the show in the Eastern time zone). I don’t know what you were expecting to get but I certainly wasn’t looking for Going Clear 2.0. Judging by the Twitter comments throughout this evening, I’d say that the episode made a colossal impact in the mind of the general public who AREN’T Scientologists nor Bunkerites. As relative newbies, all this extra info–on top of South Park, the TomKat circus and Leah Remini’s “Troublemaker”–is driving home the message that Scientology is more than just weird…it’s a dangerous cult that divides families and worships money/power above all else. People were intrigued, not bored. Best of all, more than one person said they wanted to read/buy Ron Sr.’s book.
      I’m glad that the cult let Monique Yingling speak. I haven’t read a single positive review of her anywhere. NOT ONE. All the viewers described her as being “creepy”, “sketchy”, and “a liar”. If the general public can pick up that vibe about the cult and its minions without having studied Scientology at length, that’s pretty amazing. Better for Ron to save the big reveals for his book. He gave us a little foretaste and that’s enough. Let the cult hang itself by its own words (or the words of its reps). I believe damage has been done tonight…that is, against the cult by its own hand (otherwise known as “the footbullet”).

      • Newiga

        ^This!! Unfortunately I didn’t see the 20/20 episode (yet) either. I hope I can watch it later. 😉

        However, it gave a voice to an 80 year-old man who’s been dead-agented by a phony “church” and harassed by his own flesh and blood. I hope 20/20 helps Ron Sr. to sell more books.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          It worked. I’m getting emails and txt from friend’s and a family member telling me how good it was, Five thus far! Wow!

      • Lionel Drinkwater

        My only concession in my bad review: Leah Remini was excellent in the show. The reunion between she and Ron was truly heartwarming.

      • Mymy88

        “I’m glad that the cult let Monique Yingling speak. I haven’t read a single positive review of her anywhere. NOT ONE.”

        That’s because she’s a dumb bitch.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          You mean she didn’t come across as a nice church lady showing up at your front door with a basket of fresh bakery goods? Mymy, I think you meant evil, dumb bitch.

          • Mymy88

            I did. Thank you for pointing out my omission lol.

    • Baby

      Oh come on Lionel.. They gave her enough rope too hang herself. And she did.

  • OOkpik

    What a party this has been. There are probably more than a few of us with popcorn bloat. 🙂
    4500 comments and still rising.

  • madame duran
    • Juicer77

      Good one!!!

  • TheMirrorThetan

    4532 comments? Sounds like a bunker party. Is this a record?

    Just been watching one of the baby eagles help himself to a midnight snack, but he hasn’t got the step on the fish for leverage down pat yet. They are so cute.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Think of all the Sp’s , BT’s.

    • Juicer77

      The scene here this morning… (f5)

  • Madison KinSmed

    I think we broke Disqus. Everything is scrambled.

    • Juicer77

      Go home, Disqus, you’re drunk!

  • edge

    4551 comments and counting. Good luck going through them all OSA

  • madame duran
    • Madison KinSmed

      I think this is my Fav!

      • Mymy88

        I rolled my eyes so much I started getting dizzy lol.

  • Liberated

    I’m calling it a night, what a night, I love you guys.

    • Juicer77

      Love you, too! Sleep well.

    • Baby

      Great day to be out eh liberated! Woo Hoo..

  • madame duran
  • Juicer77

    Welcome, new readers. Handy tip: those blue links at the bottom of this site’s home page link you quickly to interesting articles. Like this one – audio of the “church” ordering a woman’s family to kick her to the curb: http://tonyortega.org/2015/03/30/audio-leak-hear-a-scientologist-being-declared-suppressive-and-facing-the-loss-of-her-family/

  • Flying High

    Leah is on a roll! 🙂

    • Also

      • Mymy88

        Bingo! Leah is laying it down tonight! Whoa!

    • Newiga

      Yup! She’s reading some powerful books. Amy’s book was one the first memoirs I read right after Jenna’s book (IIRR). I devoured it almost at one go.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    What other so called “church” has its former member’s followed and harassed? The question that seems to never get answered. ABC, to their credit, spit it right out. Victory.

    • scottmercer

      What other church sends AN ATTORNEY to talk to a reporter? That fact alone will have low information viewers raising an eyebrow.

  • madame duran

    Chuckling at how viewers pick up on certain details despite living in different time zones (e.g. how Scientology lawyer’s eyes flutter a lot when she’s lying; people asking “Where’s Tommy Davis?”). Memories are being retained. The public is able to recollect what they’ve observed before. This recent 20/20 will add to that.

  • madame duran

    Did anyone stay up to watch the follow-up “Nightline” show which covered MORE about Ron Miscavige and Scientology?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I recorded it and was just headed downstairs to watch it. Want to see Lori H.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Not much new to see on Nightline unless you want to hear Lori’s children claim all their mother wants is to get back at the “church” They claim she doesn’t want a relationship with them. It was the only new part from the 20/20 show. Meh.

  • Wow. Much more on special edition of ABCs NightLine. Way more of Lori!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Just her children insulting her. Lori talked for a minute. Didn’t seem to have anything else different or new. your mileage may vary:)

  • madame duran

    This is worth a re-post (thank you “Cars” for initially sharing it): a small film made based on Marc Headly’s “Blown For Good”. Trailer looks great; made me think of the current series “The Path”.

    Link: https://www.facebook.com/rmproductionsonline/posts/1091595547563133

    • Todd Tomorrow

      checking to see if this link works better. The FB post keeps saying unavailable.

      Thanks above to M. Duran.

      • Baby

        Todd I just watched it maybe 1 min. ago..

      • Robert Eckert

        Despite Diqsuq messing up the link with all the HaTeMaiL, the link works fine and goes direct to the trailer on full-screen.

    • Baby

      Oh this looks soo good madame.. can’t wait to see it..

    • Fink Jonas

      thank you for the link, I didn’t know they were working on another movie! 2016 is gonna be awesome!!!

  • madame duran

    My eyeballs can’t take in much more. I really should be sleeping now but…oh well. It’s the weekend!

    • Ella Raitch

      I’m here. Have kinda given up trying to go through all of the comments. Judging by previous episodes, it shouldn’t be too long till 20/20 is on youtube.

  • madame duran
    • Todd Tomorrow

      I thought that was odd. Firstly, at Int. why would they wrap bake goods? It’s not like they are sent across lines to LA for other Sea Arghh members. Was Ding a ling coached to come across as having a soft side? Whomever coached her tell them from me it didn’t work.

  • Fink Jonas

    ABC 7 just re-run in a news segment the news about Laura in the RPF and she saying she drank bleach to get out of the church, the anchor man said at the end “the church was contacted and there was no reply” wow! for the first time the church isn’t replying to the bitter apostates, that is surprising this is the first time I herd them say that.

    • Ella Raitch

      There are only so many spotfires you can manage when you’re an ecclesiastical SOB

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’d think the letter’s would be an easy cut and paste denial.

    • Jack99

      “She drank bleach to get attention and to make a buck.”

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Yeah, she did it because she wanted to be first on the abortion bus exclaimed, ms. monique ding a ling the church attorney. “She had no reason to drink the bleach she was living in a spiritual mecca second only to Disneyland. Most children loved the long hours.”

        • Mymy88

          Yes, and they loved it when Bloated Ron Blubbard imprisoned them in a dark dank anchor closet where they could sit on a big chain for days and go insane.

  • madame duran

    Who’s the “YSCOHB of the Year” now, birthday boy?
    https://twitter.com/sbjayne/status/726291242422661120

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I think hubbard had a crush on lil’ boy davey and promised him anything for a snog.

    • Baby

      madame.. you are having way too much fun..hahaha

  • April Moonlight

    I keep admiring the photo of Leah Remini and Ron Sr. they look great! Soooooo happy Leah is openly supporting other “ex”s – yay Leah!

  • Eivol Ekdal

    What a great show last night! I must have been getting very tired because I had strange dreams about the show. Crazy shit I tell ya!

    • Baby

      I tried to go to bed 2 1/2 hrs. ago..Forget it.. I wish I had visions of sugar plums over my head instead of
      Lying Yingling.. blinking..

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I dreamt that they dressed up Yingling like Martha Stewart and sent her to ABC with baskets of baked goods.

  • Bea

    I’m in the UK but managed to watch the 20/20 interview on line through the ABC website. Fantastic viewing and Ms wog lawyer came across as a hard nosed bi!ch. No humanity or warm and cuddlies from her. I know who I’d believe if I hadn’t already stumbled across Tony and his board years ago and it’s not her. Ron seems far more plausible – and I hope he eventually gets to know his great grand kids. What a miserable tragedy it is that such an evil cult is allowed to flourish without any checks and balances in a civilised nation with a thriving liberal democracy. It really, truly is beyond belief!

  • FredEX2

    I just woke up and realized that after 20/20 & Nightline last night…Scientology now has only 1,047 members left.

    • Baby

      Oh Freddie.. Are you still dreaming?

      • FredEX2

        No. Really. 😊 They are shrinking exponentially 47x by the minute…all across the Planet.

        • Disqus shows me your remark above is 27 minutes ago.

          1047/(1,47^27) =0,0317964506

          Now that number is so small, it must be David Miscavige himself.

          David, could you please turn off the lights and close the door?

  • Baby
    • Ella Raitch

      Yoohoo. Thank you.

    • madame duran

      IT’S HERE! Thanks for posting the 20/20 episode. Watching it now.

  • madame duran

    http://www.people.com/article/scientology-lawyer-says-group-hired-private-investigator-ronald-miscavige-father-david

    An attorney for Scientology confirmed in an interview with ABC News that the church did hire private investigators to track Ron Miscavige after he left the church in 2012, but that David Miscavige had nothing to do with them and never spoke to them.

    .”There wasn’t any reason to tell him [David Miscavige]” about the investigators, Monique Yingling says. “They [the Church’s attorneys] decided that the private investigators were following Ron, first of all, for his own well-being and his own safety. They were also concerned that he might somehow, because he was an elderly man with David’s name, become the pawn of some of the anti-Scientologists out there.”

    “Lawyers use private investigators all the time for, you know, varieties of reasons, and it’s just no big deal,” she added

    To go from saying, “there was no meaningful relationship with father since David Miscavige joined the Sea Org at 16 years old” to “sent PIs to follow his dad ‘for his own well-being and his own safety”…c’mon. The cult has NO SHAME in telling lies. The comment about Ron becoming “the pawn of the anti-Scientologists out there” made me howl. Can’t decide whether to blame Scientology critics for “turning” Ron into a traitor or blame Ron himself for being an SP prior to leaving Scientology, can you lying cult? SMH. Another laugh: “an elderly man with David’s name”–excuse me? “David’s name” derived from his FATHER, not the other way around. It sounds so arrogant to assume that David’s name was so widely known and counted as a “somebody” in the world at large and Ron’s link to fame was via that association. PLEASE!! Also, the idea that carrying the Miscavige name makes you a “marked” target for abuse by critics is absurd. Jenna Miscavige-Hill has adjusted quite nicely to the outside world.

    Chock full of LIES. So disturbing and funny at the same time.

    • David Miscavige thinks that that all the tactics he has used to discredit his father’s story are effective – they are all based on orthodox Scientology, after all.

      The fact is, it’s not only critics who can see that their reaction to criticism, let alone their behaviour, is self-contradictory and irrational. Now the general public, drawn in by story about a family at war on a US national TV network, can see it too.

      This story will run an run – and prepare the ground for another question that will also have a wide appeal, once the general public become aware of it.

      Everyone has a family, and almost every adult pays tax. The latter group might be interested to learn that they are subsidising a non-profit operation which makes a stupendous profit and uses some it to persecute people and break up families and friendships. They might also be interested in the fact that the details of the IRS/Scientology deal (which was obtained under duress) are secret.

      Some day, there has to be a programme like this about Scientology’s unique ‘arrangement’ with the IRSl. Tonight, 20/20 skated around it , using and extract from DM’s “the war is over” speech to illustrate his rise to undisputed power. They didn’t examine the tax question.

      Alphonse Capone wasn’t arrested for killing people, or running rackets. He was arrested for income tax evasion. Taking away Scientology’s tax deal is probably the most effective way to end the CofS as an organisation.

      • MadMaxi

        This needs to be re-posted on today’s post (Sat Davie’s Bday)

    • OOkpik

      OOooh! You’re on a roll, Madame! Fun comments.

  • madame duran

    Dan Harris of 20/20: “When he [David Miscavige] is screaming at you, did you ever think, ‘I changed this guy’s diapers!’?”
    LOL!!!!

    • Keeping Scientology Waning

      If he was wearing diapers last night, I would not want to be in the neighborhood.

  • madame duran

    Norman Starkey’s face looks considerably different from when we saw him last (on Anderson Cooper’s 360° Scientology special, “A History of Violence”). Thinner (esp. around jawline), less animated…like he’s been worn down.

    • madge filpot

      Norman looked pretty much the same for me.. obviously older but no different than when I used to see him on the ship and at Flag.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    4651 comments, my god!

    • madame duran

      Girl, I haven’t slept at all.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        You poor thing! I’ve had 3 hours sleep. Left here at just after 4am and was awake at 7.30 for no good reason that I can think of. Now I’m taking my mum out for lunch and to buy plants. I sold my little classic caravan a couple of days ago and its absence has drawn attention to a grotty area on the drive where it was parked. My mum was up at dawn and decided to come to my house and noisily talk to my neighbour while digging up weeds underneath my bedroom window 😛 (I adore her.)

        Get to bed!

        • Elegant Mess

          It’s 3 AM here. Why am I still awake reading comments?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            It’s a trap!

      • Juicer77

        Get some rest before you start hallucinating! 😉

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • Eivol Ekdal

      it’s back up…only down for a short time.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Down again for me.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          The direct link to http://abcnews.go.com/ seems to work now for me
          The site checker still says offline.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            That works 🙂

          • Robert Eckert

            They were getting more traffic than usual? Could be a good sign.

  • OOkpik

    That Blinking Yingling sure set everyone straight on 20/20, eh?
    Hahahaha…*gasp*….HAhahaha!

    • Flying High

      Yeah and she looked like night of the living dead. Maybe davie was trying to take over her body during the interview as her eyes rolled nearly completely white a few times.

  • Ella Raitch
  • Flying High

    I hope when Tony lands and enters the gate area that he is greeted with a standing ovation (and a Pulitzer prize) that he so righteous deserves!

    • Ella Raitch

      I think someone needs to at least spray some air freshener around before Tony gets back

      • Flying High

        And spew rose pedals not only for the sense of purity in his dedication but also to represent the bleeding hearts of those who experienced Disconnection.

        • Juicer77

          Ok, he would roll his eyes at this. XD

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’m wearing Estée Lauder’s Knowing and am prepared to put myself forward as the neck of choice for Tony to sniff when he walks through the door. I do this reluctantly.

        • Ella Raitch

          xx

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            😀

            • Ella Raitch

              I just had a brain wave – – wouldn’t Jennifer Saunders do a marvellous Monique Yingling

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              YESSSSS!!! Now I want this.

        • Juicer77

          LOL

  • OOkpik

    300 Recommended votes!
    Our stats are in Affluence.

    • Flying High

      And we didn’t have to bus in anyone for our event gathering today! All natural and willing participants!

      • OOkpik

        And I love you all!

    • And little David having the worst birthday ever.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I know this has probably been shared a millions times. The great Andy Sewell has shared it on Facebook. Tense!

    “Ooooh! Interesting! Check out this trailer – some students over at the Beverly Hills Playhouse are making a short film based around Marc Headley’s book “Blown For Good””

    https://vimeo.com/155577262

    • Juicer77

      That hits close to home. Too bad Katselas (sp?) isn’t around to participate.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        That’s such a great point.

    • madge filpot

      Wow that’s looks pretty griping and well done!

    • Tweeted with the #Scientology and #abc2020 hash tags. See if we can get it some attention.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Thank you, Mr Borean!

    • MadMaxi

      The movie excites me more then the 20/20 interview because it makes it “real” to the people. If done well they might get picked by Netflix or Amazon and BOOM Millions of new eyes and shocked faces.

  • madame duran

    Seriously…I’m just hanging around a bit to post my countdown and read the new Bunker post at 7am and then I’m finally gonna crash into my bed.

    • Ella Raitch

      You’re a trooper

  • Kestrel

    It’s interesting to me that the brain trust at scientology finally produced a living spokesperson to respond to media inquiries, Monique Yingling, a person who is not a scientologist. After all that expensive training and coaching, there’s not one scientologist left who can speak to a reporter on camera.

    ETA: She was singularly underwhelming.

    • Ella Raitch

      And even she can’t pull it off

    • madame duran

      Not even the LEADER, Mr. David “I have to do everything myself because you guys are so degraded” Miscavige.

  • salin

    Good morning all!

    • Skabetti

      I hope you had a good snooze.

      • salin

        Thanks, I did.

  • madame duran

    YO, TONY!! IT’S 7 AM!! WHAT’S THE HOLDUP WITH THE NEW POST??? I NEED TO GO TO BED!!!

    • Robert Eckert

      Scientology causes sleep deprivation, once again, with all the mental problems that ensue

      • Skabetti

        I noticed my comment on the live blog was posted in today’s article three hours after I wrote it. That’s almost 3 hours after I went to bed. So Tony was writing his story around 2-3 a.m. NY time. He was probably a bit late this a.m. because he was face first asleep on the keyboard.

  • BosonStark

    Something is obviously wrong here, in the cult’s angle. Being the abusive bastard that he was, Ron shouldn’t have been given such favored treatment by the cult or his son. The daughters wouldn’t have given him a car. Either Scientolgists are constantly faking things for appearances, like the daughters gave their father a car, because he was so abusive they have to pretend he wasn’t. Or, now they are lying to protect David Miscavige at all costs, because most of what will be in Ron’s book is the truth.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Don’t forget all the physically aggressive execs like Marty that were left in positions of power. I’ll never forget one of the inch wives doing a double take when Anderson cooper rightly pointed out that if their exec husbands were beating people (as they claimed) then why weren’t the police called and this was evidence Scientology condoned this. I think it might have been our bunker favourite, Jenny from lax.

  • Juicer77

    Good morning, new readers. Want to know more about the private eyes who followed Ron Sr. for $10k a WEEK from a tax-exempt group? Hear their own recorded testimony and read the police reports. http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/20/hear-the-full-police-interview-of-scientology-spy-daniel-powell-about-stalking-ron-miscavige-sr/

  • Keeping Scientology Waning

    After a time to think about it, I’m thinking that one of the most damaging things to come out of this was the fact that the PIs watching Ron were so heavily armed. When Ron said they looked like hit-men, that was riveting.

  • 4,717 comments. Disqus must be having fits…

    • Eclipse-girl

      It was last night

    • Nat-leficent

      It did pretty well actually 🙂

  • ze moo

    Good interview all around. I would have liked to see the Lisa Marie Presley connection seen, but I’ll settle for the shoutout to the ‘Call Me’ billboard. Happy I am, the 20/20 interview is all over the intertubz.

  • rom661

    I disagree with most assessments. I think Karen De La Carriere got it right on her Facebook post: “Almost none of it was used, neither the Los Angeles footage or Las Vegas footage, instead 20/20 got played by the CULT and gave pathological liar Monique Yingling center stage.”

    • Qbird

      I see what you’re saying, rom661. Center stage liar tho – not a bad thing.

    • Bob Crouch

      I can see her point (and yours) about how there may have been some missed opportunities here to tell a more forceful story of disconnection or give more time to scientology victims. On the other hand, the “church” relentlessly harps on about how they are never heard. How they are never allowed to give their side of the story.

      The way I see it, the “church” was given equal time. The best they could come up with was a person who was not even a participant in the events at issue. She sat it all out in her law offices and is paid to provide spin for her employer–based on “facts” they fed her. Even so, she won neither a prize for credibility (or even making a particularly compelling case) nor is she likely to receive even the sympathy vote.

      My take-away: This was NOT an advocacy piece for Ron (or other cult victims) but an effort at hearing both sides in order to “get to the truth.” In a fair contest, the good guys still won. Ron’s book got a great boost. And it’s extremely unlikely that this piece will have viewers scrambling to orgs asking for admittance.

    • Frodis73

      Of course they did…it’s what they do. Bob Crouch has an excellent reply to you and like him, i think the good guys still won in the end.

  • Bob Crouch

    Just watched the 20/20 piece. What I found most striking was the fact that while Ron was obviously a first-hand participant in the events at issue, the best the “church” could offer were the words of one of their attorneys.

    This is a good time to remind ourselves what an attorney’s job actually is. They get big bucks NOT to provide on their client’s behalf an independent and factual–or even remotely truthful–assessment of a situation. Instead, they are paid to provide ADVOCACY.

    In other words, no matter how much their client’s case is hanging by a string, they are paid to provide the THEORY by which their client can be made to look best under even the most damning circumstances. They are tasked with manufacturing “reasonable doubt.” In order to do their job, they will even grasp at straws to spin a case to their client’s benefit. “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit” and the “Twinkie defense” come to mind.

    So here’s what the “Church” wants us to believe: On one hand, “captain” Dave relentlessly looked out for his dad, provided him with privileged employment opportunities, did right by him in all ways and lived with him harmoniously on “church” premises. On the other hand–in the words of other “church” attorneys–father and son have not had any relationship with each other in 40 years. Ron–who lived it–has no idea what he’s talking about. But a “church” attorney who sat it all out in her law office is the REAL authority on what did and did not happen. Really?

  • Cars
  • richelieu jr

    Hey, just watched the 20/20 piece… I guess my biggest question is– WTF happened to Miscavige jr’s face/hair/eyebrows?

    When did the Dwarfenfuhrer turn into Red Buttons?

  • Tory Christman
  • Tory Christman

    Don’t forget the heart 🙂
    Under the comments, for anyone new