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Lucia Ribisi ditches Scientology and says of famous dad Giovanni: ‘He’s questioned it’

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[Lucia was featured this week in a film at W magazine’s website]

Scientology has been battered and bruised by numerous high-profile defections in recent years, including the loss of some its coveted celebrities. But one defection occurred recently in such a quiet manner — and yet in plain sight — that it went by without making any news of any kind. Until now.

Last May, Lucia Santina Ribisi, the daughter of Avatar actor Giovanni Ribisi, talked openly about what it was like to become disaffected and leave Scientology, even though she grew up in one of the most well known, loyal Scientology families in the entire organization.

But that very public announcement went without notice because Lucia made it during a segment on the Los Angeles radio station KCRW while using a pseudonym to protect her identity. Dubbed “Carole” by KCRW reporter Madeleine Brand, Lucia talked at length about her father’s history of changing involvement in Scientology, and how she became so fed up with the church she sought an intervention at her school.

Several weeks after the radio show aired last year, we got a tip from an anonymous reader that “Carole” was, in fact, Lucia Ribisi. We didn’t take that tip at face value, but instead began working to develop sources who could tell us about the Ribisi clan and the radio show.

As a result of that work, today we have five independent sources — including two in the Ribisi family itself — who tell us that it was Lucia who was heard on KCRW and who has, in fact, left the church.

And that’s put her family in a precarious place, our sources tell us.

Lucia comes from one of the most well known families inside the closed world of Scientology. Her grandfather, Al Ribisi, was from a Catholic family in San Jose; in high school he became the keyboard player in People!, a rock band which formed in 1965. People! had one hit, 1968’s “I Love You,” and by then most of the members had joined Scientology, which caused the band to split up. But then in 1970 the members who were Scientologists, including Ribisi, took the unusual step of joining Scientology’s “Sea Organization” as a group. The Sea Org requires members to sign billion-year contracts and work extreme hours for pennies an hour and dedicate themselves completely to Scientology — it was about as far from the rock and roll life as possible.

They were assigned to work out of Scientology’s “Celebrity Centre” which had been founded the year before on W. 8th Street in Los Angeles. Al learned there to become a Scientology “registrar,” executives who are notorious for hounding members for money to pay for their courses or to make donations for building projects. While working there, Ribisi met Gay Landrum, another Sea Org worker. His marriage to Gay was his second, and soon the couple had children when their twins were born on December 17, 1974: Antonio Giovanni and Santina Marissa. In 1976, their younger sister Gina arrived. When the children were toddlers, the couple left the Sea Org, but remained loyal to Scientology. Al went into the printing business, while Gay later became a successful talent manager.

 
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[People! joins the Sea Org in 1970; Al Ribisi is seated with his legs crossed.]

Al and Gay Ribisi split up when their children were in their teens, family friends tell us, and Gay helped to shepherd Marissa and Giovanni through their acting careers. She also picked up as clients other actors who became involved in Scientology, including Jason Lee of My Name Is Earl fame. Marissa Ribisi (Dazed and Confused, The Brady Bunch Movie) married musician Beck Hansen, who was also from a Scientology family — his mother, Bibbe Hansen, had helped Gay deliver Giovanni and Marissa in 1974. The extended Ribisi-Hansen clan became one of the most well known in Scientology and Hollywood, and helped fuel the notion that getting into Scientology was a legitimate way to advance a career in the entertainment industry.

Giovanni Ribisi’s acting career started in television, first with appearances on Highway to Heaven when he was only ten years old, and a decade later as Phoebe’s brother Frank on Friends. In 1997, he married actress Mariah O’Brien (Halloween: The Curse of Michael Meyers), who was also a Scientologist and the daughter of actress Jackie O’Brien (Pretty Woman). In December 1997, the couple had their only child, Lucia Santina Ribisi.

They divorced four years later, and each went on to second marriages. In 2012 Giovanni married English model Agyness Deyn, who then started Scientology training. They split up last year. Mariah’s second marriage was to musician and Scientologist Anthony “Trae” Carlson, who had previously been married to Carol Burnett’s daughter, Erin Hamilton.

In 2011, Carlson, O’Brien, and Carlson’s mother Arvina were arrested by California state authorities on charges that they had been operating a Ponzi scheme that had taken $2.5 million from investors. Charges were later dropped against O’Brien; Carlson pleaded guilty and was sentenced to five years in prison, his mother was given seven months.

Paparazzi caught pictures of a grim-looking Giovanni Ribisi, Lucia in tow, as he went to a police station in 2012 to be questioned about his ex-wife’s legal troubles.

 
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Lucia, meanwhile, has been gaining success making her own way in the world of fashion and art. She was featured this week in a film at the W magazine website. And Teen Vogue included her in a feature it titled “10 Badass Young Feminists Who Are Totally Changing the Game in 2016.”

But last year, when she was just 17, she made her radio appearance to talk about how miserable Scientology had made her.

“‘Carole’ — not her real name — is the daughter of a celebrity,” KCRW’s Madeleine Brand said about Lucia more than once during the program, and Lucia gave out numerous details about her life that made it not really very difficult to figure out who she was.

She said that Hollywood had been an “integral” part of her father’s life, and that he had “questioned” his involvement in Scientology.

That’s a bit of a bombshell in itself. Giovanni, the son of such prominent, dedicated Scientologists, has never publicly given any indication that his own involvement in the organization has wavered. In fact, in 2012 when there were questions raised about whether he would be encouraging his new wife, Agyness Deyn, to join Scientology, he reacted with an angry tweet: “In regards to recent press items… Bigotry: Stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own”

 
Lucia said that her father’s involvement had waned in particular when he’d been involved with women who were not Scientologists.

For Lucia herself, growing up in Scientology involved long hours at the Celebrity Centre in a special section reserved for the family members of the rich and famous. She enjoyed herself, she said, but she was aware that she was getting special treatment because of the family she came from. Eventually, she was struggling under the workload — she was going to the Celebrity Centre six days a week while attending a highly competitive private school — and she finally admitted that she needed help.

“Is this mental health help?” Madeleine Brand asked Lucia, and Brand explained that Scientology is anti-psychiatry (and rabidly so). Lucia was quick to say that she hadn’t seen a psychiatrist, but she had received the help she needed, an intervention she called it. And that, apparently, was the cue she needed to leave the Church of Scientology. She’s doing much better since she pushed it away, she added.

During the radio show, Lucia also pointed out one of Scientology’s most basic realities — that celebrities get to break the rules that govern others in the church. And for that reason, she said, her family was “protected” from Scientology’s policy of “disconnection.”

“If my family was following what Scientology actually says, they would not be allowed to talk to me,” she said on the program.

But our sources tell us that in fact Lucia is concerned that her grandparents will, in fact, disconnect from her — implying that they have been unaware of her participation in the radio program.

 
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[Teen Vogue recently celebrated Lucia as a ‘badass young feminist’]

 
A close family friend who has known the Ribisis for more than 50 years tells us that the Ribisi clan is, in a way, reflecting the crisis that is gripping Scientology itself, with many longtime members quietly reducing or ending their involvement while a hardcore and shrinking membership remains. Al and Gay Ribisi, lifers who got into Scientology more than 40 years ago, are bitter-enders. Gay in particular, our source tells us, is not only loyal to the organization, but she’s also an enforcer.

“You’re either with us or against us. That’s her attitude,” the family friend tells us. (Oddly, two of Gay’s Scientology plaques — rewards for making huge donations — were found discarded in Hollywood by our friend and fellow journalist Mark Ebner in 2014. But our source doesn’t think that’s an indication that Gay’s dedication to Scientology has wavered; he thinks it was probably a mistake made by a Ribisi family employee.)

If Al and Gay were not Scientology celebrities, they would be required to “disconnect” from a granddaughter who went on a public radio station to talk about leaving Scientology and criticizing it openly. And our source says they may still be required to do that even with their special status.

“If Lucia thinks that might happen, she’s probably right. If Al and Gay get directions directly from [Scientology leader] David Miscavige, it’s hard to know what they’ll do. That family is very tight,” he says, and as evidence points out that just ten days ago, the entire Ribisi clan got together, including Al Ribisi’s 93-year-old father, Al Ribisi Sr (who is not a Scientologist).

The subject of Scientology was avoided entirely at that gathering, he tells us. And he agreed with our observation that the younger generation of celebrity Scientologists who have grown up in the organization have never pursued courses with as much enthusiasm as their parents. We then brought up the example of Jason Lee: We told him that for years we’d been hearing that Gay Ribisi’s star client was all but out the door. In 2008, he married Turkish-Australian actress Ceren AlkaΓ§, and they’ve had two children. Their second child, Sonny, was born in 2012, and one of our better sources told us the Lees had Sonny baptized at St Thomas the Apostle, an Episcopal church in Hollywood. And, perhaps most significantly, Jason moved his family last year to a ranch outside Denton, Texas, to get as far away from Hollywood as possible.

“That’s a sure sign of ‘get me away from Scientology so the registrars can’t knock on my door’,” the close Ribisi family friend told us. He says it’s pretty clear that Jason Lee is no longer a Scientologist, but, like many others, is keeping quiet about it.

Is that the case with Lucia’s father, Giovanni? The actor finds himself in a tough spot. If his parents do disconnect from his daughter, he’ll be forced to choose sides. And what then happens with his sister Marissa? And with Marissa’s husband, Beck?

Actress Leah Remini recently showed that there’s only one way for a Scientology family to avoid the organization’s toxic disconnection policy — and that’s to walk out of the church as a whole. But it’s hard to see the Ribisi family learning from that example.

We contacted Lucia by email, but she declined to comment for this story. We left a voice mail with Al Ribisi and will add a response here if we get one. We sent a detailed message to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw pointing out that when KCRW’s show aired last year, the station featured her response to the program at its website.

“The claims made by your so far ‘anonymous’ source are false and bigoted. They take aspects of Scientology and twist them to the point they are unrecognizable solely to create prejudice against members of my Church,” Pouw wrote. “The airing of such obviously biased claims without challenging the source and providing the Church with a meaningful opportunity to respond is irresponsible.”

We asked Pouw, was she aware when she responded to the program that it featured Lucia Ribisi? And would the church encourage the Ribisi family to disconnect from her?

We’ll let you know if we get a response.

 
THE RADIO TRANSCRIPT

We transcribed Lucia Ribisi’s portions of the KCRW radio program, which also featured a young man who had interesting things to say. Listen to the entire show here.

Lucia on her famous father:

I was born into it, and my family is also like, my dad’s side of the family everybody is in the church. So I’m a second-generation, yeah. I think it’s this thing where they were like saved by it. They were like picked up and nurtured by it. And then my dad was obviously born in it, and living in Hollywood it was just like a really integral part of his life. He has questioned it. I think there were certain times like, when he was in his twenties he was working a lot and he dated some women who weren’t Scientologists. So I think he floated away for a second, and then came back and eventually married somebody who was also a Scientologist.

On being a child in Scientology:

I went to private schools in LA, so there were times where people were like, ‘What is Scientology?’ or like, ‘You don’t take medication when you’re sick?’ and stuff like that. I didn’t know what to do because I didn’t know why anybody would be against it. When I was a kid, I always had like very positive experiences. In fact I felt like I almost was treated like a princess like my whole childhood. I think because my family is prominent in Hollywood that like the church protected me and shielded me from just like what Scientology really is, or like, I didn’t meet anybody who wasn’t really wealthy. Like, the Celebrity Centre has a totally different section for people who are wealthy or famous. So you go through a separate entrance and the place in the Celebrity Centre is called the president’s office and you walk in and there’s like a buffet, and the people who have been working there have been working there — it’s like the same two people in that office like my whole life. And then there’s a stairway and your auditor can come down to the waiting room that like you’re sitting there watching a movie or you’re eating and you go upstairs and there are specific auditing rooms for friends and family of famous people, so they don’t have to be bothered by the general public. And when I was doing processing there, I was doing a certain step on the Bridge — I wasn’t Clear yet. And that was such a huge part of my experience in the church. Like, I was nannied by women who, like, worked there at times my dad would be in session and I was a kid like coloring in the president’s office.

On being inside a bubble:

I knew that we were Scientologists, but I didn’t know how small the following actually was, or didn’t actually realize what it meant to be a Scientologist.

On the time commitment of being a Scientologist:

I spent a lot of time there. I’d say I went there at least six days a week after school, and I was going to very competitive private schools so there were points where I was I have too much work and I can’t come, and they were like, just do your homework here. And, it was like five hours of homework and then three and a half hours of coursework. So, L. Ron Hubbard wrote a lot of books. So I started when I was eight, and you read the chapter and then you fill out worksheets, and it’s 50 dollars per course. But at the pace I was going, I would do like two courses a week. Like a hundred dollars a week, but then on top of that I would do seminars, like on the weekend, where you hear a lecture and then do a course on that in like one night. Or like I did the Purification Rundown, I also was having auditing on top of my coursework, like once or twice a week. And the auditing is really expensive.

On what it cost her family:

My mom told me that there was a certain amount of money that they put on account when I was a kid, and it was $250,000 — for my mother and I, but she didn’t do as much as I did.

On the Purif:

I did the Purification Rundown. So, they encourage it for every Scientologist to do to become Clear. But it’s also used for people who have been on drugs or like people who have been exposed to chemicals. So for the Purification Rundown you sit in a sauna for like a certain amount of hours and it become like, five hours a day in a sauna. (Without a break?) No, you get breaks, but you take like the vitamins that you’re supposed to take, and then you run for 20 minutes on a treadmill to start sweating so that the niacin will start working in your system…It makes you have a crazy skin reaction. Like, you basically get a sunburn and you sit in the sauna and then, and you get as many breaks as you like, but you start at like a low amount of niacin, a low amount of hours and then it gets more and more as you hit certain markers or whatever on your rundown. So you write every day your experiences and then you come to your final ‘end phenomena.’ And that’s when you stop experiencing the sunburn from the niacin, and you’ve stopped getting headaches. I had terrible migraines, and so they told me to just take more and more potassium. And I was sleeping a ton. And I think it was a month in the end. (How old were you?) I was twelve. So, if you don’t hit the end phenomenon, you have to keep going. And it costs more and more. So, I was also going on course at that time and basically spending all of my time at the center. And that’s with all, everything you do with Scientology, you have to hit this end phenomenon. (And what is it?) They tell you what it is before you do it. So you can say, I hit this end phenomenon, now I don’t have to do this thing anymore.

On presenting a happy face:

If you meet a Scientologist they’re happy, their whole thing is they’re thriving and prospering and it’s really hard if you’re not doing well, because then you’re seen as somebody who should be ostracized.

On what the Sea Org is:

You sign a billion-year contract, and while you’re in the Sea Org, you get all free processing, and if you choose to leave you have to pay off that processing. So, you’re working like all day and then doing your processing.

On becoming disaffected:

I wasn’t doing well. I needed support, and I didn’t have any friends in the church. I never had any peers in the church. And my friends outside of the church had talked about like the South Park episode, or like what they had online like people will ask me what my beliefs were and I didn’t know how to describe what I believed. (Did you know the story of Xenu?) No. People said ‘aliens’ and I said no, don’t talk to me about that. And that’s not true, I’ve never heard that before. And most Scientologists have never heard of that story before. Because youre told that if you read about it or hear about it then you won’t be able to progress on your Bridge, and when you’ve put so much money into it, it’s really hard to say OK, I’m going to do something that could risk all the work I’ve done.

I was told that — so ‘Black PR’ is what they call what people say about the church in the media. So I was told that those were rumors made up by a morbidly obese and sick man who really wanted attention. And I hadn’t seen anything on the Internet because I was afraid to even Google search my own religion, right? So, eventually it was almost like there was an intervention with my school, where I needed help and I got the help that I needed and (“Is this mental health help?”) Yeah. (“They’re anti-psychiatry.”) Yeah. I didn’t see a psychiatrist. I was not allowed to even say that word. But I got the help that I had been asking for. And I felt like I had to separate myself from my family to a certain extent.

On disconnection:

So my family, since they are well off, they’re protected from this idea of ‘disconnection.’ If my family was following what Scientology actually says, they would not be allowed to talk to me.

On how she’s doing out of Scientology:

I’m doing really well and I’ve made strides to make my life the way I want it to be. But it’s definitely difficult. You know I thought OK, like I’m over it, I have moved on and it doesn’t bother me anymore. But like there’s fear instilled in me still. So I think the main thing that has come out of it that had been negative is that I still, like, it wasn’t until two years after I left that I even Googled the church for fear that they would, like, track my Internet usage or my computer history. Other than that I think my family’s really, I’m so lucky because my family is supportive of me even though I’m not in the church. So, I’ve grown away from it.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 6, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Sherbet

    Are we going to see video of the ceremony?

    • Dice

      Hey Now!… Good point!

      • Sherbet

        Pretty please, anyone who was there?

        • SucculentDuck

          i personally didn’t shoot any video ‘cuz w/ all the media there it just seemed pointless to do so. the vibe i was getting from the folks i was hanging w/ was way more casual backyard bbq.

          • Sherbet

            Well…doggone. But that’s OK. Your presence was important (all of you).

  • Liberated

    Merle Haggard died, 2016 has been a tough year for musicians. We’ve lost so many.

  • Sunny

    Jager shots.
    Thank you, Colorado cousins.
    That is all.

  • I the same breath that she used to respond to that radio interview, Karin Powbangzoomwham will also tell you how David Miscavige is much too busy to comment on the private lives of famous individuals.

    • Simi Valley

      Copper rods and Macallans can take up a lot of time, I suppose.

    • aegerprimo

      Of course Derek! He (David Miscavige) is WAY too busy looking at himself in the mirror.

  • aegerprimo

    I was at Twitter just now and saw I made this shoop and tweeted it last month in honor of Miss Tia.
    ……….

    • gtsix

      FUNDRAISER!

    • Kay

      Excellent !

    • phoebequeen

      Miss Tia will love this!

    • Sibs

      Airship tech!

  • Kay

    Pondering the story about about Lucia Rubisi, and then comparing that to Mr. and Mrs. Phil having to raise money for a billboard, etc. makes me even more irritated about the policies of Scientology being applied unfairly to those who are not celebrities. That sickens me. Then, by extension, it makes me think about Tom Cruise not seeing his daughter for years…if there was anyone in Scientology who has not been required to go by “the rules” it is Mr. Cruise. That makes the fact that he apparently has CHOSEN not to see his own child while Phil and Willie are going through this makes me more disgusted with him than ever.

    P.S. It gives me much glee to see this billboard up in “Krustie” town. I wonder if she will tweet anything obnoxious about it directly or indirectly.

    • aegerprimo

      I’m sure you figured out by now that Tony WILL tie in the story of Lucia Rubisi and her complex family connections and DISCONNECTION to family because of Scientology – to the http://www.StopScientologyDisconnection.com billboard.

      • Kay

        Yup I’m sure he will. He is a wise and clever soul.

      • Qbird

        There is a really nice selection of videos on Phil’s site.
        I am looking forward to the disconnection stories.

        • aegerprimo

          There are so many of them. I hope this billboard puts the wrenching pain of disconnecting from family because of “religion” into the limelight and how family members suffer.

          ETA: When I was in the Sea Org, they tried to convince me that my mother was a Suppressive Person and I should disconnect from her. She was only concerned that I was a member of a CULT. She was VERY CONCERNED. I maybe phoned her or wrote her once a year when in the Sea Org and as a Scientologist as a “handling” that the Church of Scientology has for members.

          • Qbird

            Well, there ya go, aegerprimo… you… truth sayer,
            you tell your story. It’s important.
            But you learned years ago, friend Aeger, πŸ™‚
            fortunately
            when you decided to speak out.
            to testify. a life story. experience.
            Just say, this is how it worked for me.
            This is what happened.

            In the Dublin video, the Irish gal says (I paraphrase)
            Don’t be afraid to tell your story people!
            The more the better because
            Others will read it, hear it, and understand how Scn. operates,
            what LRH’s game does to people, how it changes a person,
            the simple truth.
            The question:
            What is this disconnection crap; how can this be?
            must be answered. by people who know.
            strength in numbers.
            a whole billboard full of voices saying, Stop this.
            yup. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2589352c63b949329638c2e6689b7add38082fbbe3387a657d98b967c07c3a46.png
            hats off to ya!

            • aegerprimo

              Yes Qbird. You say things so eloquently.
              My mother and I are very close now. I tell her about the Underground Bunker quite often and what I say here, and what I read here. She went with me on my Big Five-Oh vacation celebration. We took a drive through New England states USA this past October and had a wonderful time. I was reading The Unbreakable Miss Lovely at the time and she loved that I took pics of the book at some of the places we stopped at. Here is one where she is helping hold the book when we were taking a tour through a lock of the Erie Canal…..

        • skiesareblue

          Here’s the link to the videos: http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/?page_id=20

    • phoebequeen

      Amen to that. I am picturing her riding by, white knuckled, screaming!!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      If she’s a news watcher, she’ll see it(how could she NOT), get drunk and then tweet something ridiculous about it.

  • Dice
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Bang! Pow!

      • MrsLurksALot

        Reminds me of: F5

      • Dice

        try search google on “stopscientologydisconnection” πŸ™‚

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          They’re all great except for that schmuck(yes, I’m name calling….deal with it) Mike Mcclaughry.

    • Qbird

      can’t get to Germany.
      Patheos from last month.

    • aegerprimo

      Translation for anyone…

      USA: Scientology wants to prevent the “Call me” billboard at all costs
      http://shortnews.de/id/1193672/usa-scientology-will-ruf-mich-an-werbeflaeche-um-jeden-preis-verhindern#

    • Joliet Jake

      Phil Jones and friends:

      Well played folks. Your goal of “… it’s estimated that 1 million people will see it.” has most likely been achieved today. ABC Chicago had a front page link to your story for 5 1/2 hrs this afternoon. A couple of comments left in your favor. Unusual because the locals here do not usually comment on out of market stories.

      http://abc7chicago.com/news/parents-buy-billboard-to-reach-children-in-church-of-scientology/1278979/

      • Dice

        Thanks for info – bookmarket

  • nottrue

    The sexual tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife….. ..http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/06/tribeca-louis-theroux-scientology

    • Kay

      ????

      • flyonthewall

        lol, refresh your page

        • Kay

          Well now that makes sense…..lol

    • flyonthewall

      i love how she failed utterly to chase him off or fluster him. Man, I need to see this. I wonder what Jefferson Hawkins thought as he watched her?

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      You should see the NC-17 version.

  • Tory Christman

    Flash news! Miss kid drove me to see the sign. K-TLA CHAN 5 LA IS HERE *NOW* STILL. We met ok
    With them & they are going live w/earlier interviews at 6:00 PST. OSA…forget your “black pr”
    CRAP! I educated them on exactly what you will try.
    Love to ALL!

    • Tory Christman

      Talking w/ KTLA

      • Dice

        Flip (F5)

      • downtherabbithole

        I am in the Midwest, does KTLA have live streaming? At their web site and not finding it.

    • aegerprimo

      CAN’T WAIT to see your YouTube videos on this adventure!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Git Er Done!

    • Kay

      You tell ’em how it is Miss Tory !!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      School ’em all, Tory!

      • Tory Christman

        I already wrote all 3 & got the KTLA crew my card w/ links to Tony’s site (here), XENU.net, my YT site (ToryMagoo44)& xenutv.com. They thanked me for the info! πŸ™‚
        Happy Thurs before 2:00,
        “dave”!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Excellent! Aahhh, I love the smell of a shitstorm on the horizon… ; )

    • salin

      You and Missionary Kid – together on a mission – and you get things done! Cheering!

    • Tory Christman
      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Oh no, now everyone is going to call Al’s Cycle Stop. Just kidding. Thank you, Ms. Tory.

      • Narapoid

        The billboard alone could not have recieved all this publicity on it’s own. Thanks to all the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs staffers who applied standard tech standardly. f5

      • Dice

        Flip. (F5)

        • Suzy

          Rotation tech

        • Tory Christman

          On phone.m.can’t…will fix once home, tnx

          • iampissed

            Dice seems to be real good at flipping things…. Tongue in cheek.

      • iampissed

        Al’s cycle shop must be loving this.looked like a cool old school shop when I was there

      • madame duran

        Al’s Cycle Stop is getting tons of publicity too! I hope they donate to the billboard to keep the goodness going. πŸ™‚

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So glad you got over there!

    • JaxNGold

      Tory, you rock! So happy you were there to tell them about all the crap that OSA will try to pull.

    • Sibs

      BAM! Great going, guys!

    • Tory Christman

      Fantastic job, KTLA!! (& obviously terrific job to Phil & his wife & ALL who have helped with this
      Billboard & Tooonnnnnnny!! :):):):)

    • Robert Eckert

      I was hoping you would be able to make it. What would an SP get-together in LA be without Tory?

  • phoebequeen

    Wow. So many times I read these articles and am just blown away at the content. I feel for this young woman. When she said she was afraid to look on the internet for fear they would be tracking her, that is just so sad in so many ways. I hope she continues to do well and stay strong. She is giving us a very interesting peak into the celebrity side of things and how they are treated so differently. Just fricking amazing this crap.

  • Ben Franklin

    The billboard will get more visits than any Ideal org anywhere

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Don of the Con,
    Who succeeded Dead Ron,
    Is just scrambling on.
    Dave, you soon will be gone
    As more light is shone
    On the deeds of your pawns.
    All you have spawned
    Is occasioning yawns,
    The sour fruit of a prawn.
    In the cold light of dawn
    This duck is no swan.

    TICK TOCK, DM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjNV-o-hmI

  • Franklin Adams

    The whole Jason Lee thing has been bothering me since I heard he went to Texas because of the where. Had it been Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth proper, Houston or even San Antonio it wouldn’t seem as odd maybe.
    I mean really, unless you’re in fracking, rail transportation or Emergency Management there’s nothing really in Denton of any major consequence. Its kind of a standard Texan suburb with a semi-secret nuclear bunker hiding in plain sight. If any of you live there and wondered what that white FEMA building with the really unreal looking antennas is on 288 is next to the TX DPS office, now you know. There are more antennas underground that can pop up as well, in case “something” happens to the fixed ones on the surface.

    Still, I don’t get it. Why in the fuck would someone who doesn’t have to move to Denton of all places? I don’t buy that its to get away from the Church because they still know how to find him, getting out of Los Angeles in general is a good motivation but its a weird place to relocate to. Plus from what I’ve always been told and have observed the registrars are ruthless and will track you down wherever if they think they can get money out of you. I wouldn’t put it past em to send someone down to McMurdo or Kathmandu if they thought there was some tax free cash to be made out of it.

    Plus, Its not like there isn’t an org or a mission in Dallas or Fort Worth, right?

    • flyonthewall

      is there a nice skate park in Denton?

      • Franklin Adams

        The city or county runs a pretty nice one off of 288 now about seven miles north of the FRC now that you mention it.

        • flyonthewall

          there you go

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Good question. That old courthouse in the square is pretty kick ass and there’s a great homemade ice-cream place on the square too. Yeah….I’ve eatin’ there. Story of my life; go for the culture, remember the food.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Don’t know, but I hear they have the best death metal band.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6IrmULLV0M

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Denton? It’s the home of happiness.

      (refresh)

      • Frodis73

        That is exactly the Denton i thought of this am when reading tony’s story.

      • FredEX2

        And tornadoes.

    • He has a history of making bad choices.
      That’s not just because of Scientology.
      Scientology was just one of them.
      Why would we expect more of anyone just because they became a celebrity?
      I cringe every time the media reports anything “they” do, think or say, only because they are a celebrity, because so many give it weight because of that.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Hi, I’d like 1 pound of honey ham, 1 pound of provolone……aaaaannnnnnddd…..let me see, what looks nice? Oh, some of those rotten tomatoes. Mmmmmm. Good choice.

    • order66

      I’ve passed through Denton, TX a time or two. Had to stop and pray, since the Von Erich wrestling family is from there.

    • North Texas State University is there as well. They have an excellent jazz program, and one of the most comfortable libraries I’ve ever been in.

  • Dice
  • edge

    If I shill for anything today, it’s Lamar Media. Bravo for staying with the billboard. It certainly got more coverage than the news the MSM should be covering, like the flood of new people entering the 11-years-in-the-making Ideal Org of Atlanta, or the imminent opening of SuMP. Right, Davey?

  • Vaquera

    A “cry at Hallmark commercials” person I am not. In fact, I’ve been brought to tears only twice in the four+ years I’ve been at the VV and in the Bunker: when Howdy died and today.

    Why today? Mid-afternoon I was reading about the billboard and thinking about Willie and Sara Goldberg and Lori Hodgson, about how all they want is to have some kind of a relationship with their children. Just then, out of the blue, I received this text (f5) from my 22 year old daughter and tears began flowing down my cheeks.

    My heart breaks for all of the moms (and dads) who have been deprived of a loving relationship with their children by the disconnection mind fuck of Hubbard, Miscavige and Scientology.

    • flyonthewall

      pft, crybaby

      • Vaquera

        Must be allergies

    • “…out of the blue…”
      synchrony

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Proudest parent ever. Congrats on raising a good one.

      • Vaquera

        Thx L. She’s a keeper.

    • Lucille Austero

      A mom couldn’t ask for more than that, Vaquera. Youwin! Hugs!

      • Vaquera

        πŸ™‚ !!
        She’s the same child who texted this when I was at Getting Clear in Toronto (f5):

    • Qbird

      very cool cowgirl ~ palomino eye. Howdy!
      connections. Love.

      • Vaquera

        Love horses, Love Slash. Love it!

    • Ruby

      You made my day! So beautiful.

    • noseinabk

      I keep simular cards and notes from my oldest in my top drawer and and am lucky to have her relate these messages to her little sister who is entering that age that many think parents are lame. Thanks to my oldest my youngest is always thanking me for even the smallest things I do for her. She thanks me for doing her laundry or cooking her favorites foods and I have her big sister to thank for that.

    • Robert Eckert

      After that string of texts did you get one that started “Listen, I have a huge favor to ask…”?

  • Lucia has her Dad’s soulful eyes.
    Good luck beautiful, courageous young lady.
    We are here for you and your family.

  • Prim

    Ooie, Louis Theroux just posted a clip from his movie “my Scientology movie” and it’s dammed creepy.

    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/06/tribeca-louis-theroux-scientology

    • And its fucking awesome.

    • Illinoisian

      I love the way he stood his ground and the way he kept using her name when he spoke to her. Her “confront and shatter” just . . . didn’t . . . work.
      Thanks for posting the link! And, yes, the situation is creepy — but I love the way he handled it.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Epic fail on the impact of Tone 40 Tech on Louis Theroux. He didn’t look for a second as if he had the slightest inclination to comply with her demands. More documented evidence that the tech doesn’t work.

    • This is out PR handling. Very odd. She did it all wrong.

    • Supper Powers

      I am amused that Katherine kept saying the police were coming and then, after she’s in her vehicle, one drives by. No lights, no brake pump…just kept rolling.

    • Sibs

      That guy. Totally unflappable.

    • pluvo

      Louis Theroux has better TRs than Cathrine and her confront & shatter failed. Now she is in the film with the cold-chrome-steel mannerism. This is how RTC’s staff members are talking down on other Sea Org members. They adopted the mannerism from David Miscavige.

      I commented in the comments section of that article.(I’m the green elephant. πŸ™‚

    • Frodis73

      I just had to watch that again…she is so awful…I would not have been that calm.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • jazzlover

      And low-fat Cheerios are better too!

    • salin

      But at steeper prices. (To make up for lost revenues.)

    • Was there any problem with getting that put up?
      Hmmmm.
      Some speech is free-er than others I suppose.

    • Sarah James

      Sold! I’m in for 2 billion years.

    • Lucille Austero

      Snort!

    • Oooh, oooh (as Toody, or was it Muldoon? used to say).
      This is such a brilliant idea.
      I’ll let you be a hero and suggest it to the Chairman of the Board, no charge, you’re welcome.
      The Church of Scientology (in whatever incarnation it chooses), should go into the billboard business.
      Holy cow, the message would reach so many more people than now….like the new studio thingy.
      And you can’t argue with a billboard, I don’t think.
      Its there. Its square. Get it implanted.
      If you do feel that I should get remunerated for such a cost-efficient, profitable idea, just send valid credit card information to PO Box 900, Los Angeles California 90212.
      And I will fill your prescription with some degree of accuracy.
      And I’ll send it back to you.
      Oh wait, that’s a different thing I got going.

    • Couch_Incident

      As the Church of the Subgenius says, “Eternal Salvation or Double Your Money Back!”

      • “You will pay to know what you really think.” (J.R. “Bob” Dobbs)

      • And, as a side-note the Church of the Subgenius had many roots in anti-Scientology parody.
        “Church of Subgenius mocks and expands. “Bob”‘s got a birdcage lined with Avagrams. ”
        Wrote, produced and sung by one of my personal heros Enturbulator 009, who, produced a whole anti-scientology album as a result of being “fair-gamed” long before any one else had the big clanking gonads (which should be acknowledged as gender-neutral, yet totally apropos).
        And the album rocks.
        google
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxExUqdGa0Y

      • Oh yeah, all video courtesy of AGP.
        All audio courtesy of Enturbulator 009.
        I do not get tired of this.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6v90STgVgg

    • edge

      And less semi-colons. Don’t forget about those. With the Golden Age of Tech Phase Two you’ll rocket through the brutality!

  • salin

    Reminder: Recommend today’s UB – Big story at the top, and unfolding story – that has had top coverage (that is Tony’s coverage) in the build up – here in the comments section. First hand visits, pictures and commentary that invited us to the scene as if we were there. Links to media coverage as they started going on line – a silly UK distraction story – and lots of interesting conversations.

    Tonight – I am not going to add an aurora, nor a different sky watching pic from NASA. I couldn’t find anything that matched the awe – of the event that unfolded today.

    We are at 178 – we haven’t had many 200+ days – but I hope that this is one of them.

    If you are reading, but not commenting – your recommend counts as much as any of us who are ‘talkative’.

    For the energy/momentum of the day – Virtual High Fives – all around!

    • TexasBroad

      I’ve unavoidably missed the last 10 hrs and was going crazy knowing today was going to be an incredible day. Can’t wait to scroll and read and relish!

      • Aslan’s Own

        I know! I just got here an hour or so ago — lots of pictures and links to news stories!

    • salin

      Forgive me for this nonsequitor call out to Blue Heron Bay. But there isn’t a disqus private message function.

      Thank you for your note. I am touched that you both thought of me when you saw the mugs, and made the effort to reach out to me. Sometimes a little thing – can mean a lot. Later this month I have a birthday – the first without Mom – the main person who still regularly marked and tried to find fun, unique items to celebrate. {Context – these are funky mugs that as heat rises in the mug, from coffee, tea or other hot drinks, change from black to showing an Aurora scene – that looks like it is from North Norway).

      You didn’t know it – but your referral gave me not just a way to celebrate later this month (with Mom’s memory front and center), but an approach for future birthdays – find something that she and I would get a kick out of – and buy it and hold it for the birthday celebration as a way of celebrating with her memory, rather than just being sad at her absence on the day.

      • seriouslyWTF

        Sorry I read your message. Great idea.

        • salin

          Don’t be sorry. (((seriously))

          I don’t ever mean to inject sadness to you, in your situation. I am in awe of your strength, perspective, and depth of love.

          Personally, your response, is very affirmative. You understand the jumble of emotions. Thank you.

      • beauty for ashes

        Had to give you ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) !

        • salin

          Thanks Beauty. I feel those hugs – and am giving them back. And sending some to Blue Heron.

          • BlueHeronBay

            Right back at ‘cha.

      • BlueHeronBay

        Oh, Salin, you are so welcome. Thank you for this message. You have honored your mother beautifully in many messages and I am very glad to know that you had that relationship and that you will always treasure it. You are a great daughter. Best wishes for your birthday and future celebrations. My birthday is April 26th. I will drink a toast to you and your mom. Love, Deborah.

        • salin

          Thanks Deborah – and on the 25th (my birthday) I will toast you and yours – with the breaking-in of an Aurora mug. I told my sister about it – and the realization that this will be a new tradition. Rather than being sad – finding something quirky that we would both enjoy – and getting that for myself for a birthday remembrance of all the birthdays I got so share with Mom.

          • BlueHeronBay

            Yay, you’re getting an Aurora mug! This morning (before I saw your message), the background photo (provided by Windows 10, I guess) when I turned on my laptop was a beautiful Aurora, so I thought of you again. I am frequently amazed by the good people of the Bunker. I hope you celebrate during the entire month of April. I know I do. Enjoy! And warmest wishes. –D.
            eta: “Celebrate” for me = things like buying pre-made deli meals in lieu of cooking from scratch, spending all the family’s Amazon Rewards points on myself, and eating too much baklava (I know: too wild and crazy to believe).

            • salin

              πŸ˜€ Sounds like a great way to celebrate the month!

  • Madison KinSmed

    Dear Phil and Willie and all the other disconnected, I haven’t prayed since I was a little girl but I’m praying now. I hope your children come back to you. My parents are dead – I would give anything to have them back. I’m so very sorry you’re having to endure this. And if the billboard doesn’t work, sign me up for whats next!
    With love, Madison

    ETC typo

    • salin

      Lovely sentiment – that I “Ditto”.

      • And, as someone around here used to say, “Tritto”.
        I love that, must use more.

        • salin

          I wasn’t here yet – so this is my introduction to “tritto.” I like it – and will also use it.

          • Its so cool.

          • Its so much better than “Yeah, what they said.”
            Although that works too.

  • I am sad that the Sea Org members don’t wear space construction workers helmets anymore.
    It was a thing of beauty.

    • They should wear “Space Pants”.
      (SNL (Peter Dinklage episode) reference)

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I’m sad I never got to see it.

    • Tory Christman

      Do you mean the AOLA space jump suits W/ silver
      Boots & silver helmuts?
      My guess is “a thing of beauty” was a joke?!?!
      To me they were shockingly weird!! πŸ™‚

      • Yeah. Comic-Con got nothing on them.

      • beauty for ashes

        Chuck Beatty mentioned something about that. I was trying to make a joke about the current sea org costumes look like they are from the 90’s, and that they should look instead like they are from the future. I would DIE if I could see a picture of the silver jumpsuits!

  • nottrue

    …6pm KTLA 5

    • Boy do I wish I had seen that one.

      • Jimmy3

        I wish you had seen it so you could tell me how it was

        • If you saw it, you tell me.
          How the fuck was it?

  • downtherabbithole

    Just watched the story on KTLA Tory spoke of below. COS now has yet to comment on this report.

    • Frodis73

      Oh they have commented…it’s a bunch of nonsense saying that phil is only seeking publicity and is exploiting his kids. Assholes.

      • downtherabbithole

        That was an earlier story I believe. This story/interview wad different.

        • Frodis73

          All of them get the same press statement…it’s all bs anyway.

      • Tory Christman

        Well I got to explain some very odd things they do,
        Including such actions. EPIC FAIL AGAIN, OSA & “dave” πŸ™‚

        • So happy when ever you can contribute when the “mass” media asks.

  • In a TeenVogue photo of Lucia, she reminds me of Joan of Arc.

    • I don’t think Joan of Arc would be going around with her mouth hanging open like a barn door.

      Look, folks, I hate to be the fly in the ointment, but she’s just an average-looking young women who probably would be attending classes and working at Starbucks if she didn’t come from a family of the demi-rich and famous.

      I’m glad she’s out of the church, but don’t build her up into something she’s not. When she openly discusses her separation from CoS, then we’ll see what she’s really made of.

      • I know. I was mainly referring to her hair in that photo. But you never know.

      • I don’t think Jean D’Arc would say “like” that much, either. I hope Ms. Ribisi reads the transcript and is all, like, “OMG, that’s a fuckton of likes.”

  • jeff

    So I know it’s been forever since I commented, but apparently former teen idol Rex Smith will be appearing at the Celebrity Center on April 30. Surely,, he’s not a clam, or is he?

    • salin

      Haven’t seen that name in – eons. Interesting question.

    • Jimmy3

      I talk to former teen idol Rex Smith regularly, in my dream states. He says he’s whatever crustacean you’d like him to be, jeffbro.

      • Jimmy3

        He also said clams are not crustaceans, but they are crusty.

        • beauty for ashes

          So is garlic bread. mmmm garlic bread. πŸ™‚

          • Jimmy3


            I’m going to quit talking to everyone soon.

            • beauty for ashes

              What’s in your kitchen right now Jimmy? Am I making you hungry?

            • Jimmy3

              Yesterday my dog ate half a loaf of garlic bread that I had wrapped up. Then you just happen to mention garlic bread, randomly. You’re either my dog trolling me, or you were put up to this by my dog, who is trolling me.

            • beauty for ashes

              I don’t know your dog. I never did business in Ohio.

            • If I have evidence to the contrary, what would you say?

            • Don’t pretend you don’t know Spilfy. The dog is out of the bag. I told Jimmy everything. He’ll never look at that dog the same way again, I hope.

            • beauty for ashes

              Are you sure his name isn’t Spliffy? Haaaaaaa Artooozi!

            • Nope. He told me it’s Spilfy. Spilfy-the-Dog.

            • synchrony

            • Spilfy communicates with us all when you’re asleep. That’s his real name, Spilfy.

            • We can have a bro date where we share garlic and horseradish and talk to each other.

        • jeff

          Hey,Jimbro, I am no fan of his, but a friend of mine from where I grew up is, and she posted a thing about his upcoming show. Also,your Cavs lost multiple times to my Warriors this year.

      • I once fill in the blanks had a fill in the blanks thing with someone I was going to have sex with about how vapid his hit song was.
        I would advise against following my example, if you’d rather have sex at that moment than make a point.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfIGa_9Pouo

    • Good to see you here again, Jeff.

      • jeff

        Thanks,DTL. I’ve been quite busy, and my laptop took a crap. You can hear the hard drive a-churning, but the monitor screen is black. Probably just a loose wire, but I hate looking at the internet with my smart phone.

    • aquaclara

      Welcome back, Jeff….stick around a while, ok?!

      • jeff

        Thanks,AC, I’ll try. I can’t even believe that Scientology keeps going. I thought it would have completely crashed and burned by now.

        • aquaclara

          You do know I have been impatiently following this damn cult since 1975 or 1976, right? ( I was a kid).
          It was the parents looking for their kids that first got me. And we are still here.

          This will be the year.

          • jeff

            From your lips to Xenu’s ears.

    • I hope so.
      He was dreadful.

      • jeff

        He was OK in Pirates of Penzance with Linda Ronstadt

        • I should judge not so harshly. Although that’s a dreadful song.
          Ya know, cause of the whole “lest thy be judged” thing.
          That actually sounds cool.
          Any Gil and Sully, and anyone cool enough to perform some, has got a notch in my belt.
          (Don’t know where I got that reference)

        • beauty for ashes

          This made me laugh, was this a movie?

          • jeff

            It was on Broadway and a PBS film was made of it for Great Performances

            • beauty for ashes

              Did you ever see the Great Performances of Angela Lansbury in Barber of Seville? best.one ever. πŸ™‚

  • Carlazi

    Late in day but Louis Theroux film clip up now http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/06/tribeca-louis-theroux-scientology Sorry if repost

    • The “sorry if this is a repost” thing bugs me.
      I fail to see any problem with posting any relevant thing.
      Way better too much information, than not enough.

      • cdub

        Me too. I can’t scroll thru 25 screens of comments every day. Please repeat things others posted, ok?

  • Two things fuck me up badly about today’s TO’s post:
    The stupidity of “Purif”, and, as related:
    “I was twelve. .”

    The “media”(of course, present company excepted) is as much to blame for Scientology, as it is to blame for Donald Trump.
    Ratings (money), over morals.

    • pat k

      Can I cry a little harder? Not really.

  • Narapoid

    Ya know, I never thought I would say this but, well, I miss Tommy Davis on days like this… I guess he is too busy counting his money to help clear the planet of all this entheta.

    • Yes. What a fine asshat.

      • Narapoid

        Remember when he called Tony a bigoted hate-mongering asshat? Gee, I sure miss him. These stupid and totally predictable press releases are as boring as they are ineffectual.

        Maybe he can make a comeback? Come on COB, swallow your pride and make the call. You know he will answer his duty!

        • Observer

          refresh

          • Narapoid

            WOW! I forgot about that awesome shoop! The more I look at it the more I laugh! It makes me miss Tommy all the more… OH YEAH!!!

            Thanks Obs!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I miss Tommy frequently. He was endlessly entertaining.

    • beauty for ashes

      I bet Tommy Davis paints his toenails. Just because he is seriously vain.
      And he can’t accessorize for shit.;)

      • Narapoid

        I’d bet he sits down to pee too.

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          And he probably irons his underpants. He’s so anal — that bitchy little thing.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Slightly higher-quality capture from the KTLA segment.

  • nottrue

    That Scientology sign is such a picture wrecker…… http://websta.me/p/1222765407405199328_34380370

  • aquaclara

    My tablet has survived two three year old twins making cupcakes this afternoon. It smells deliciously vanilla-and-frosting and has a crusty bit to it, but I am back. Their “pour here” aim coincided with the recipe a few times today! Whew. Thank heavens. NOW I think about how helpful proper paper cookbooks can be…a lesson for next time.

    I love every pic posted that I have managed to see today. I promise I’ll catch up tomorrow. Phil and Willie, are we family yet???? Come for dinner, you don’t need an invite. Hugs to you-it has had to be an incredibly long couple of days. But hang in there. You are making a big difference. Love you guys.

    CalΓ­fornia Bunkerites-you’re there for all of us, and so, thank you.

    We will never forget this day, these moments….

    • “We will never forget…”
      Until we do.
      Can’t really control memory.

    • You are spiritual vanilla cupcake. Hugs and love.

      • aquaclara

        Three year olds – is there anything better? We had a great day. Tell Fly i built two custom firehouses out of Legos, plus a matchbox car ramp to make the cars soar faster, too. I just want to remind Lucia that REAL life does not have disconnection in it. Just cupcakes and toys, hugs and frosting. Even on my tablet.

        • UhLasare

          My day also included legos and special dessert for my 4-year old, but thrown in there were some really trying situations, and poor behavior, tears all around and consequences meted out. It ended the way it started though – with hugs, kisses, cuddles and love. There was a big dollop of forgiveness thrown in at the end, too. My life isn’t all cupcakes, I wish it were. But it NEVER includes disconnection!

          • pat k

            Mine are now 18+ & I choose to love every minute they spend with me!😘

    • noseinabk

      Ha! My distraction today wasn’t frosting but a frantic 3 month old chewing and drooling on my hand. Good times.
      Ditto on the appriciation for all who posted pics and updates from the billboard location.

      • aquaclara

        Aaawwww, so sweet. You enjoyed every second of it, right?! Three-month olds are the most precious.

        • noseinabk

          Shhhh. I complained about the drool on my black shirt while secretly enjoying every minute of it. We know how fast this time will pass and it makes them all the more enjoyable. That and the fact that we give them back at the end of the day make them even more precious. πŸ˜‰

          • aquaclara

            Oh, you’re loving every second, too! And if you want me to save dolls or fire trucks for when that sweetie pie is a little older, just say the word.

          • Baby

            That is so sweet Nose.. You knew you would fall in love.. : D

    • TexasBroad

      Because I am a messy cook (a good one, but a sloppy one!) I always wrap my phone in saran wrap when following a recipe. If you wrap smoothly enough, you can still scroll, select, etc. My helpful hint. As for any advice about making cupcakes with three year old twins, I have nothing more to offer than that you are my hero.
      I too missed today and just now finished catching up. A beautiful day played out in the comments. Sometimes this is a living, breathing place!

      • aquaclara

        Saran Wrap! You are my hero! How do I not know this????? Brilliant.

        Can I wrap the kids, too? Oh, wait. Probably not legal. Skip that.

        • TexasBroad

          Bwaaaahaaaahaa!

        • Orglodyte

          I childproofed my whole house, but they still get in.

          • Kay

            THAT was funny !

    • salin

      The juxtaposition images of family togetherness to making cupcakes together, to disconnection of Co$ that Phil and Willy – and many others are facing – choking up. Big day – Hope.

      • aquaclara

        Hope. ^^^^

    • Juicer77

      Awww… the best kind of mess <3

  • Cars

    KTLA-5 TV news video about the Echo Park Call Me billboard, shown tonight at 6:14 pm, PT.

    http://ktla.com/2016/04/06/parents-use-billboard-in-echo-park-in-attempt-to-reach-out-to-children-in-scientology/

  • Supper Powers

    This is a nice photo of the billboard by the local Fox station.

    • aquaclara

      Artoo is so talented.

      • beauty for ashes

        I was just thinking how emotionally impactful his choices were.

        • aquaclara

          That is his huge heart poured into his art. And for Phil, Willie and every single disconnected family out there.
          I am in awe.

      • Flattery will get you everywhere, but seriously, that aerial shot must give the Tiny Terror the wim-wams something fierce.

        • aquaclara

          He is still trying to figure out Atlanta, and how the rest of his week went so totally wrong! He would never understand the emotional impact of a single billboard that contains no curlicues, embellishments or figments of a rather broad imagination. But the reporters and drive-bystanders do.

          You totally nailed it.

          • edge

            The billboard got more press than the Atlanta org opening could even hope to get even if they flooded every single newsroom in America with press releases. In LA, people drive slowly and look. In Atlanta, they drive by and possibly shout “you devil worshippers!”

  • We all did it. CALL ME is The Underground Bunker Billboard. Thank You.

    • noseinabk

      I’ve made a few small contributions over the past few years but am most proud of the results and community members who contributed to this and the Headleys fiasco.

    • We’re the friends in “and friends.” Oh, yeah.

  • I must be going, as Groucho would say.
    Its 11pm est (figure out the GMT, I give up) rainy, cold, foggy (ooops, that’s me) , I’m not going to wear sunglasses, but I just may see what this baby (hey, where are you?) can do.
    250cc’s of raw power.
    What’s in your wallet?

  • beauty for ashes

    Some JW’s pulling some crap out of Lron Hubbard’s playbook. Harassing filmmakers, just out right lying and cheating people. Saw this a few days ago and have been thinking about it ever since. In the middle of all this spiritual chaos, a beautiful love story. (really long but the two minute mark starts the documentary’s preview, you can skip the commentary) Thanks for letting me share! <3 <3 <3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEfK8gSgSw

    • WOG with Attitude

      I’ve “met” a couple JW protestors online; Scientology & JW r cut from the same cult cloth. They also practice shunning. All cults! Same with Mormons, in particular Warren Jeffs & FLDS who half buried a kitten in cement to fair game a critic! Sick MF’ers!

      My mother collected a roomful of their magazines! But, she wasn’t one of them. Just saw “Jesus” and “Bible” so fell for t the rest of their crap. Gullible!!!

      Religions like that are horrible and light years from all the goodness they claim they are about.

      • beauty for ashes

        It’s so similar its stunning. Like a fractal of aberrant behavior.

  • TexasBroad

    I made hotel reservations for HowdyCon today. πŸ™‚

    • Welcome to idiot club. Will be happy to meet you.

      • TexasBroad

        Finally! A club I want to join! Thank you for the welcome…and likewise back at you.

    • Juicer77

      Such an idiot!! πŸ˜‰ Jealous a little. Ok a lot.

      • TexasBroad

        Wish you were coming! Wish I was in London on the 16th!

        • Juicer77

          IKR?

  • Couch_Incident

    It would be nice if Tony could verify Jason Lee is out. I started to really enjoy “My Name Is Earl,” but immediately quit watching after I learned he was a Scilon. If he’s out, I’ll binge watch the rest of the seasons on Netflix (I could live with his supporting actor still being in).

    • WOG with Attitude

      Refresh for photos.

      I forget his name too. He was at Kirstie’s opening for her fraudulent diet program toxic drink. Don’t know if that’s how he lost weight, but I doubt it.

      Something about Scientology that drives some people to morbid obesity. He’ll need surgery to correct the sagging skin.

      I loved “call me earl” too. I haven’t watched it since I found out about Jason Lee’s Scientology involvement. Lee is also part of the view askew universe, by Kevin smith. I can only compartmentalize so much before I projectile vomit!

  • Observer

    Miscavige kitteh doesn’t know what hit him.

    F5

    • Did someone threw a demo kit piece at the fat cat?

  • Dave In Ajax

    i wouldn’t bet that miscavige is trying everything in his cheque book to get that sign removed, the days ahead will be interesting

    • A little late. It will be interesting.

    • That would be the best possible news, because, more story for the media machine that must eat on a daily basis. Moar nooooz!

  • It’s glorious Thursday now.

    • Observer

      Massively downstat and it’s barely started.

      • I am expecting to see a bunch of DON’T CALL ME billboards showing up
        on behalf of David Miscavige and “friends”.

    • Newiga

      Today is a good day to blow and/or call your loved-ones. Lurkers, take note.

  • Dave In Ajax

    very curious about the people who donated to the sign or other anti scientologist projects that have showed up on go fund me things, do we ever see ex-whales donate publicly??? did any large donations show up from these people who could afford it, aka Haggis , remini etc, these ex members paid large fortune to the church, and now as ex members they could spend a fraction of the money on helping

    • I wish Lisa Marie Presley would unlurk and hang out with us. Same with Leah and Haggis. I’m convinced that Haggis ate all the deviled eggs that Jimmy and Fly worked so hard to decorate with little pimento shark heads. You remember, the ones they left out for our party in the Zen Room? Gone. Likewise, I suspect that Leah let our mascot Fluffy (the Australian water monitor) out of her pen that time she got into the 40 lb. bag of Kitteh Kruncheezβ„’ and Tony’s cats hid for a week. As for Lisa, well, we go through a hell of a lot of bananas and peanut butter around here . . . come out, come out wherever you are!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        We have an Australian water monitor named after my snake? He will be honored.

        • Yeah, that pen on the other side of the little bridge over the koi pond. The second pen is where we rehabilitate abandoned baby tapirs and fruit bats. Don’t open the third pen. Trust me.

          • Is it like the seventh seal?

            “And when the Lamb had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour, maybe 40 minutes tops.”

            • The incomparable wolverine.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              But he’s so handsome…

            • 40 lbs of pure terror.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I thought so! I was afraid Leah had done that.

        • I know right? We all remember how much trouble she gets in whenever the pen is left open.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Yes- it would be really helpful if Lisa Marie said something directly, like “I’m out.”

        But if someone puts a bug in your ear, that they will live and breathe, for the next 10 years, nothing but harassing you in your community, in court, in business et al and etc., well– some folks are simply going to go, Peace out- and end it saying nothing. Ever.

        The Asthmatic Face-lifted Midget, 4′ 13″ leader of – rather Captain of – the Sea Org is a mean son of a bitch and lives to ruin people’s day-to-day lives. I’d guess that’s why Monique ended it (perhaps). Maybe they got the feeling their child would be graduating High School and they would still be dealing with some kind of conflict sh1t with Scientology. The midget dwarf wracked with asthma spent a quarter of a century fucking with Pat Broker’s life in one way or another; so it’s to be expected.

        I have great sympathy for Lisa Marie if she simply said, Life’s too short.

        • I just want her to replace the bananas and peanut butter occasionally. There are others who like a nice sandwich around here.

        • Liberated

          Asthmatic Face-lifted midget—I love it!

        • ReallyMGM

          Well, Lisa Marie did Tweet during the HBO premier of “Going Clear” something about “the shit hitting the fan being a good thing.” It sounded authentic and pretty pointed to me. Wish I could find it so I could copy it to you because it was funny.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        That Leah. Such a… troublemaker.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    β€œThe claims made by your so far β€˜anonymous’ source are false and bigoted. They take aspects of Scientology and twist them to the point they are unrecognizable solely to create prejudice against members of my Church… ” β€œThe airing of such obviously biased claims without challenging the source and providing the Church with a meaningful opportunity to respond is irresponsible.” β€”Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw

    What a bitch!

    I’ve know Al Ribisi since 1980 when his company, LA Publishing, handled promotion and marketing for ASHO Day. We also worked together on similar projects when I assisted the marketing department at Scientology owned and operated (in 1998, at least) Management Success. He’s a great guy that Al!

    I had fun today at the official dedication of the billboard for Phil and Willie Jones. I took all sorts of photos, spoke to many people as they drove by, getting the word out. I would’ve posted photos sooner, but had a dental emergency that is slowly being handled.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh no Fred, I hope your dental issue is resolved. I can hardly wait to see your photos!

      • Dave In Ajax

        photos of your new teeth of course πŸ™‚

    • cdub

      Looking forward to your photos as always!

    • ReallyMGM

      Always love your photo stories, Fred. Hope you feel better!

  • TonyO is collecting data. Prepare for a massive cake.

    • TexasBroad

      *Mouth watering.* How does one prepare???? (And how does one know these things, Dodo?? Are you friends with the cats?)
      Glanced up and smiled – Salin will be so happy there are 213 recommends!

      • salin

        πŸ™‚

    • Mmmmm. Caek.

  • Hey! If the media love this story, wait till they get a load of Ron Miscavige Sr’s book!

    Mwahahahaahhaaaaa!!!

    • The Enturbularometer is set on Turbo Ultra Enthetapocalypse.

      • MaxSpaceman

        and prepared for rock slam after rock slam

      • that’s even better than Enthetanado

  • Jimmy3
    • Kay

      Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy…..isn’t it past your bedtime? Do you need some cookies and milk? Or some legos?

      • Kay

        P.S. Love me some Jimmy Buffett.

  • Observer

    Joy Villa, ladies and gentlemen:

    refresh

  • Missionary Kid

    This is a late report about the billboard.

    I planned to get there early and I came driving down the 2, also called Glendale Freeway which ends by emptying on Glendale Boulevard. What I expected to see was the billboard off to the right. But as soon as I got on to Glendale Boulevard it was directly ahead. It was the only thing that I could see.

    My immediate thought was, FUCKING AWESOME!!!!. The billboard is framed by trees on the left in the median and on the right by the edge of the street. The reason is that Glendale Boulevard head straight towards the sign, then just about a hundred feet before one comes up on the sign, it takes a slight jog to the left.

    The sign appears right atop Al’s cycle shop. You cannot miss it, especially because there are two traffic lights on Glendale Boulevard that make the traffic stop and go. It is inevitable because going from a freeway to a City Street immediately brings about congestion. The rush hour was over, but I hung around from about 9:45 until 1 pm, and the traffic was always stop and go. Phil and Willie pic a beautiful spot. I think that it will actually get more people to look at it then would happen on Hollywood Boulevard.

    When I got there, about 10 minutes until 10 a.m., there were already some TV trucks there as well as the documentary crew that is covering Phil and Willie. They were interviewing them on the other side of the street. The other TV Crews started to set up on the wide median just across from the sign, which is a beautiful place to see the sign from, but it doesn’t eork for cars goin by. They TV crews wanted to get the money shot of the sign for their audience. Eventually, there were crews from KNBC Channel 4, KCBS Channel 2, KABC Channel 7, and KTLA Channel 5. There could also be a crew f1rom Las Vegas, but I couldn’t identify them. They were all interviewing Phil and Willie as well as the surroundings. Another person who was Being interviewed was Jamie DeWolf, Hubbards great grandson and excellent performer.
    Qq
    As time went on, more and more people showed up, Some were from the bunker, like myself and science. But several Exes showed up, too.

    One person I talked to, had been here illegally, when he was recruited for the sea org, and ended up being a janitor for little to no pay. He is now legal, but this is long after leaving the sea order. He told me that he decided he did not want to be a slave. He was rejoicing at the billboard.

    Fred Hansey and Science Doc and SucculentDuck were a part of the contingency.

    I’m losing my internet cooection, so I’ll post more in a couple of hours whwn I get home.

    TEASER
    The cops show up (because of all the news vans) and I brought Tory Christman by later in the afternoon. Tory scored!

    • Missionary Kid

      DISQUS WENT NUTS. GIVE ME A FEW MINIUTES TO CORRECT MY POST.

      • Baby

        Hahahhahaha.. Good Lord.. .. Happy you were there honey.. thank you.. I have got to go to bed.. I will read when I get up.. But I am so happy..

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Glad to see you at the scene of the Billboard! You know you rock, right?

        • Missionary Kid

          Michael if I walk, it’s because I’ve learned a lot from teachers like you. Thank you very much.

      • ReallyMGM

        Come on, MK. You know you copy/pasted that on purpose!
        (Teasing)

        Great to see you made the sign dedication. Thx for the report.

        • Missionary Kid

          To screw things up, it takes a human being. To totally fuck things over, it takes a computer.

          • ReallyMGM

            Love that saying. Must remember. (Smile)

            • Missionary Kid

              Between my tablet, which doesn’t have a block delete feature, and Disqus, it took me 15 minutes of holding down the backspace key to get rid of all of the duplications.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am secretly pleased to know that this has been dutifully copied and pasted into a file at OSA, and some poor schlub is still Word Clearing the whole thing.

    • And now it emerges that Sid has a documentary in the works. I’ll bet the CofS didn’t know that when they supressed the first two billboards. Everyone here (me included) were so frustrated, at those ‘failures’ but they were all part of a greater plan which Miscavige fell for, hook, line and sinker. I wonder what else Sid has up his sleeve.

      • Juicer77

        Going to be anywhere near London on Sat. Apr 16? πŸ™‚

        • I will look at transport options… but I’m afraid it’s not likely. Whatever you are up to, have fun!

          • Juicer77

            Just a casual meet-up. No shenanigans, I swear. πŸ™‚

          • Juicer77

            I make no promises on the hijinx, however!

            • I have no idea what you mean… I’m far too innocent.

            • Juicer77

              Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

      • Missionary Kid

        I think that OSA probably knew about the documentary. They have chosen to call it “a reality show.”

        • Missionary Kid

          F5 for correction

        • Yes… but they are late on the scene with a totally ineffective response. That’s a theme of this campaign. The CofS are constantly on the back foot, and utterly defenceless.

          ‘Knowing about’ a documetary and calling the producer names (while a variety of national and local TV channels film the billboard) is a long way from the power they used to wield over the mass media.

          PS: thanks for the excellent on-the-spot report. Times have changed. I wish I coul dhave witnessed the tipping point with you.

    • Victor

      Who is this Fred Hansey you speak of? πŸ˜› (I foresee some ‘field operations’)

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think he meant our very own JennyatLax Fred Haseney (sp?) who does the delightful photoshoots as our West Coast correspondent.

        • Victor

          Haha, I know πŸ™‚ That’s why I expect photo’s of his ‘field operation’ as he calls it.

    • Jimmy3

      R u ok

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m okay. My tablet went crazy on me, or maybe it was Disqus. It got to be pretty late, so I pulled over and went to sleep for a while. I just got home. Thanks for asking.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Wow, the press has a real hunger for genuine news about the church!
      How many news teams turned up for the Atlanta gig? One?
      Phill and Willie get several crews to show up!

      Thanks DM! Without your efforts to stop the billboard the story might not have had the same impact!
      Please hurry with SMP, we need it to draw even more attention.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m starting to think that disconnection is the story that resonates the most with the general public. It is the ultimate cruelty for families from an organization that calls itself ethical.

      • ReallyMGM

        The broadcast news stories I watched today were very good, but hasn’t our proprietor said the LA Times is ignored this story? That is odd considering it w picked up nationwide.

        • Missionary Kid

          The Times appears to have been safe-pointed to a certain extent. Tony doesn’t elaborate. Hopefully, the story will get big enough so they can’t ignore it.

          • ReallyMGM

            I am amazed at the coverage today’s post. Who needs coverage by the LA Times?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Didn’t the Bunkeroo who was there say that the only one that showed up for the Atlanta opening was ABC filming background for the 20-20 segment with Ron Miscavige April 29?.

        • Robert Eckert

          JustSheila did say that, yes.

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for sharing all this. I’m amazed at the response.

    • aquaclara

      Wow. Wow. Wow. The word definitely got out. The news stations get it. We get it. Now everyone else, too, will get it.

      That you and Fred and Tory and Science Doc and Duck and others came, well, that just makes me teary-eyed again over this billboard. Phil and Willie know they have friends and family here who care, too. And I hate to think of how many others are suffering, too. If this story fails to reach Mike and Emily, well, it won’t be for a lack of trying, that’s for certain.

      Thank you so much, MK. You drove a considerable distance to be there and then came back with a great report. But the best part was that you were there, showing support and speaking up. Disconnection is so despicable….time for it to get this kind of visibility.

      • OOkpik

        A big nod also to Always Amazed who gave us news and great photos throughout the day. What a day it has been here at the Bunker because of all the people who made the Billboard possible…and made it big news. Love you guys. <3<3<3

    • aegerprimo

      I was hoping to see more selfies with the sign. I already uploaded yours! Do you know if Science Doc, Succulent Duck or Tory took selfies?
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/albums/72157666632533552

  • Juicer77

    Another nudge for Bunkeroos anywhere near London on April 16… let me know if you want to join in some fun.

  • Missionary Kid

    More on the billboard story .

    in a brilliant stroke of genius, Always Amazed showed up with a large poster of her son with the (IIRC) words, “Have you seen this person?” That got the reporter’s attention so she was interviewed by several people. Another person there was Dave Sweetland (sp?). I believe he got interviewed by at least one person because of his story of disconnection from his entire family because he left Scientology. His wife at the time divorced him. He has not talked to his children since, or ever seen his grandchildren.

    I apologize for not taking pictures, but I was having too much fun and enjoying the moment. There was a crowd on the median because there were so many cameras, tripods, assistants, and sound men in addition to all of us as SPs.

    When some LAPD officers showed up, my paranoid thinking gave me the thought that $cientology had called them on us. When I finally got to talk to the senior officer, I found out that she was there because there were so many TV trucks around, and she likes to know what is going on in her area of responsibility. She was curious about what was going on, and made sure that we were not bothering traffic, or stepping into the street to talk to motorists as they were passing by in the stop-and-go traffic. LAPD had not been called by anyone.

    I talked to the officer over a period of time, because she was answering texts that were from her Watch Commander and other officers who wanted to see pictures of the billboard. I think she was having fun explaining to them what was going on. I gave her a lot of background on disconnection, as well as Scientology black PR, and some of the tactics used in fair game. She really was interested, and I referred her to the Bunker and other sites.

    Tory Christman was not able to make it that morning, but I offered to drive her there in the late afternoon so she could see it and take pictures of the billboard. As we got off the freeway, it turned out that we ended up behind a tall truck, so she could not see the billboard right away. I slowed down and she finally caught sight of it, and tried to take pictures. We had some pissed-off motorists behind us because we were slowing down traffic. That is a mortal sin in Los Angeles. If OJ had been tried for slowing down traffic in the slow speed chase in the Bronco, he would have been hung. Murder is considered as a lesser offense.

    Unfortunately, her camera didn’t take the pictures. We then looped around to come back down a second time. Tori was quite impressed with the visibility of the sign. Cars in traffic that is stop and go like that can’t help but see the sign. It is directly in front of them.

    When we looped around, we noticed that there was a TV van from KTLA Channel 5 parked up the street next to the Jack in the Box restaurant. Tori decided that we should go over and talk to them. We parked close by, and Tory hobbled out to the driver’s side, where there was someone sitting. ( Tori broke her ankle New Year’s Day, and she is in a walking cast.)

    We went up to the window and asked what they were doing. The driver, who I think was probably the cameraman, explained that they were getting set up for a live shot on the 6 o’clock evening news. Regarding the billboard. Tori engaged him and explained that she was in Scientology for 30 years, and told about her disconnection experience and other information about $cientology. She did such a great job, that the reporter who was in the back of the van asked for her contact information. They were their only to go live for the introductory piece on the billboard.

    Tori really knows how to do PR. I caught on that she was doing such a great job, that I shut up and just let her go.

    I want to urge everyone who has a disconnection story to contact the TV station or news outlet and let them know your story, because OSA will be having people call in to object to the story. The more of you who talk about your experiences the better it is. I’m calling for backup. Make your story short, sweet, and concise. News people like a good story. Disconnection is a big one.

    I believe that Tori posted a picture of the billboard, but unfortunately we were so close that most of the picture is taken up with the motorcycle shop underneath and the bottom line is covered up. There will be hundreds of thousands of people who will be seeing that billboard every day. Way to go Willie and Phil!

  • Missionary Kid

    KTLA Channel 5 broadcast

    Tory Christman and I hurried back to her house to catch the six o’clock News segment on the billboard. Sure enough, early in the broadcast there was a teaser for it. When they finally went to the segment, they went live to the reporter on site with the billboard, who then introduced the interview with Willie and Phil that they had shot in the morning. It seemed the anchors back at the station were impressed. They ended the segment with a statement that they had reached out to the Church of Scientology but Scientology had not replied.

    Scientology did not look good.

  • Missionary Kid

    I want to say that Lucia Ribisi is one Brave woman. She knows that she has been treated better than other Scientologists because of her celebrity status. She also knows the horrible consequences of disconnection. Apparently, she is willing to face them.

    I wish her the best.

  • John McAchran

    Didn’t a pair of activists who happened to be walking by the Ribisi home claim they found a box of Gay’s Scientology awards put out with the trash?

  • TheMirrorThetan

    I’ve had a huge grin on my face all day here. I love the ” and friends” on the billboard.
    Thanks Phil and Willie and everyone who posted reports and pics, today. You all are the best.

    Better duck Dave, there are more bad news shitstorms headed your way in the future, Little Arsehole.

  • richelieu jr

    Hey, how did they get Jesus to pose for a photo with ‘People!”?

  • whoever

    Tony, I’m just catching up with the Lucia story. Thanks for staying on top of it and posting what you know. I’m so happy to know she’s out, though I’m concerned about the pressures she’s outdoubtedly under.

  • Margie8

    Not shocked, I suppose but the viciousness of the “church” response was disgusting.

  • Claire Swazey

    Most people get fed up eventually. Dating non Scn people definitely helps as it gets you out of the bubble.