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Last night’s family on ‘Leah Remini’ found themselves targeted by Scientology attack site

[The Reisdorf boys, Brandon, Craig, and Brett]

Yesterday, as previous episodes of Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath were being shown on the A&E network in the run up to last night’s “season finale,” we were casually chatting with Brandon Reisdorf on Facebook messenger.

You probably know Brandon’s story by now, from either watching last night’s episode or reading our summary of it that we put up yesterday. Brandon was one of three sons to Lois and Gary Reisdorf, who were from a pretty major South African Scientology family. In a seven-part series at former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder’s website, Lois has been recounting her years as one of the original “Commodores’ Messengers” who served L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo as he ran Scientology from 1967 to 1975 from the ship.

Years later, Lois found herself aced out when David Miscavige was elbowing his way to take over after Hubbard’s death in 1986. Lois and Gary were just glad to get out of Scientology as Miscavige began to run it, and for the next 35 years they tried to maintain a “low profile” so that they wouldn’t cause trouble for other parts of their families who were still in the church.

Because of that low profile approach, however, they watched as two of their three sons, Brandon and Craig, got sucked into the church.

Chatting with us from San Diego as we waited for the show to come on, Brandon put up with our requests for a little more detail on that. Brandon was born in South Africa in 1988, and moved to San Diego ten years later.

“I had a stutter till 12,” he told us. He was the middle child between Brett, the oldest, and Craig, who was two years younger than he was.

At what point in your life, we asked, did you begin to realize that there was this thing Scientology that a lot of the family was involved in, but your parents weren’t in it.

“I would say around 17 (in 1998), when my parents were preparing me for my Life Repair and Purification Rundown,” he answered. “Before that I still recall being 6 or 7 in South Africa at my grandparents’ mission answering questions about little stuff like ARCX’s [“ARC breaks” — Scientology for disagreements] with Craig and Brett and friends from school. I only started hearing about the bad side of Scientology once Craig got involved.”

Hang on. If your parents were out of Scientology, why would they have you do courses like Life Repair when you were 17?

“Well, at 17 I was smoking pot and drinking with my friends, and the only savior was Scientology, because that’s all they knew at that time. My mom’s parents were running a mission in Johannesburg at the time when we were living in San Diego, and it was hard to go a different way.”

And at 17, your parents wanted you to get churching in an organization they themselves would have nothing to do with? Isn’t that when most 17-year-olds say you m-fers have got to be kidding?

“No. I felt there was some spiritual growth that I could have gained. Remember, my parents were trying to keep the family together, and they did not spread any ‘black PR’ [negative publicity]. So I was not told negative things about the church, and in those days we didn’t have access to the Internet like we do today.”

For Brandon, his involvement in Scientology turned out to be particularly disastrous because he had an undiagnosed bipolar condition, and Scientology hates psychiatry with a white-hot passion. Rather than get him some standard care, his parents subjected him to Scientology’s horrific quackery known as the Introspection Rundown.

Because L. Ron Hubbard claimed that he’d healed one psychotic member of the crew while sailing the Apollo in the early 1970s, he pronounced that he had a sure-fire “cure” for psychosis, and psychiatry no longer had any reason to exist. Hubbard’s “Introspection Rundown,” consisting of locking a mentally ill person in a room and denying them any talk or other stimulus until they were better, must be followed to the letter if a Scientologist today “goes Type 3,” church lingo for having a psychotic break.

Not surprisingly, this has had catastrophic results in the past, with the death of Lisa McPherson and a very disturbing case out of Tennessee and Arkansas that we’ve documented here.

On last night’s show, you could see that Lois and Gary feel terrible today about subjecting their son to something so risky, and they admit that he came out of the Introspection Rundown worse than when he went in.

But that’s still not the worst of what happened. Eventually, despite their low-profile approach, in January Lois and Gary were tossed out of Scientology for maintaining ties with parts of Gary’s family who had been “declared suppressive” — Scientology lingo for branding someone an enemy of the church. With Lois and Gary declared, now their sons Craig and Brandon had a decision to make. Stay connected to their parents and get kicked out, or stay with the church and lose connection to their own parents.

They didn’t make the same choice. Brandon stuck by his parents and was kicked out, but Craig chose to stay in Scientology, which meant cutting off all ties with his own parents and siblings.

Where is Craig today, we asked Brandon. “He’s in Long Beach. He might be on staff in Orange County, but we aren’t sure,” he says.

Gary Reisdorf explained in the episode that Brandon took the separation from his brother hard, and in April, in a manic episode, Brandon drove up to Los Angeles and threw a hammer through a window at the LA org in the middle of the night, harming no one. Scientology pressed charges, and Brandon was convicted of a felony because he’d committed vandalism against “a place of worship.”

Watching Twitter and our comments, we could see that viewers were outraged that a “church” would react that way, rather than trying to get Brandon help. (Thankfully, his family has finally got over their aversion to psychiatry and Brandon has received treatment.)

In his interview with Leah last night, Brandon said that he worries about being able to get a job with the felony on his record. We told him he might think about carrying around a DVD copy of last night’s show, and if a prospective employer asks about his criminal record, he can just pop that sucker in.

“That’s probably what I’ll do,” Brandon said.

Once the episode started, we stopped chatting and watched him on screen. And then, right on cue, we noticed that while the show was playing, Scientology put up a page slamming the Reisdorfs on a website that attacks Remini’s series.

It included a video of Craig, the brother that has disconnected from Brandon and Brett.

 

 
We watched the short clip and then summarized it for Brandon and his mother, Lois. “Craig’s video basically comes down to: ‘I had to escape a life of sex, surfing, and pot-smoking because my parents are so controlling. So now my life in Scientology is totally fulfilling.'”

Brandon looked at the page, which has a lot of accusations about him and his parents. “This is all expected. The lies and hell the church provides means nothing. This is all BS,” he said. But he couldn’t bring himself to watch his brother.

“Leah and Mike and the producers and editors did a tremendous job to depict my downfalls and my upsets with the church. I have no care for what Craig has said, I and do not want to look to see what he said. It is all lies. We should continue to look forward and determine our best line of defense. We must not back down. My brother is not my enemy. RTC is my enemy,” he said, referring to the controlling entity of Scientology, the Religious Technology Center. “The IRS is my enemy, because they have made this organization more powerful. I have no care for lies.”

Lois also couldn’t bring herself to watch the video of her disconnected son, as well as videos of her sisters, Geray and Louviegne, that Scientology has posted. “It’s predictable and we have been expecting them. Craig and my sisters know who I am and they are under such control right now. If they had refused to do them they would have been in such trouble and they know that. I don’t hold it against them at all. It’s mind control.”

 

 
At the end of last night’s episode, after Leah Remini and Mike Rinder let us know that they’d met with someone in New York to talk about possible legal action against the Church of Scientology, the last thing we saw were the words “To be continued.”

Literally that’s true because next week there’s another “Reddit AMA” hourlong special episode coming. But we’ve heard nothing yet about the likelihood of a second season. We’ll let you know what we hear as soon as we do.

Meanwhile, we have been getting a lot of questions about the LAPD missing its deadline to turn over information to Leah about the department’s handling of her 2013 missing person report about Shelly Miscavige, wife of David Miscavige, who vanished from Scientology’s Int Base in the summer of 2005 and has only been seen in public once since then, in the summer of 2007 at the funeral of her father in the presence of a Scientology handler.

It’s our understanding that the LAPD intended to turn over information to Leah yesterday, but then asked for one more day to get its paperwork together. So perhaps as soon as later today, we may have some new info from the police.

 
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Louis Theroux’s ‘My Scientology Movie’ opening March 10

During all the excitement of yesterday’s A&E finale, Louis Theroux posted a tweet revealing that his hilarious take on the church, My Scientology Movie, will open in US theaters in just two months.

 

 
The film was first premiered in London in October 2015 (here’s our review), and it’s had successful runs in theaters in Australia and the UK, where it made more than 1.5 million pounds, considered a very impressive showing for a documentary.

We highly recommend it.

 
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Scientology goes big in Denmark

Thank you to our reader in Odense who snapped a few photos to let us know that Scientology’s drug rehabs are advertising on the sides of buses there.

“The bus company has been challenged about it and they say that the ad doesn’t conflict with the ‘international marketing code,’ so they will keep parading it around, unless customers complain about it,” our tipster tells us. “On the island of Zealand one particular bus company has refused to accept the ads because they don’t want to get involved with any religious advertising.”

And the translation? “The ad says: ‘When is it enough? It is possible to kick an addiction. Narconon: Kick your addiction – once and for all.'”

Well, how can that not work?

 

 
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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • Frodis73

    So, I have a log in from a friend and access to a system w/ speakers…A and E says the ep is not available at this time. This is first time this has happened. Next, I try youtube for a funky copy, but I can’t even find a work that links over there!! WTF is going on? I have tried looking through the comments to see if anybody knows anything, but no luck so far. Can anybody point me to a link so I can watch? Or fill me in on why AandE seems to be holding this ep back???

  • Vault Digger

    A journalist for New York Magazine and the Daily Beast is looking for some info https://twitter.com/yashar/status/819281154654224387

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    It’s 2:15 LAPD. Your stats are late.

    • Observer

      Weasels. I just can’t even today.

      • April

        But can you odd? ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Observer

          I odd every day of the week.

      • Bobbysue Fontaine de la Tour

        These guys are on FIRE.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Yeah, between Sessions, Tillerson and whatever that press conference was supposed to be, I’m maxed out for the day. Off to watch James Spader pop off caps in people. Love ya Obs. โค๏ธ

        (will be peeking in for late-breaking updates ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

        • Observer

          <3

      • beauty for ashes

        You want some tea, honey? A monkey butler? Anything?

        • Observer

          Not a monkey butler *shudder*…thanks, though.

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            I guess it would depend on the monkey, would it not ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Observer

              True enough

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          *silently materialises behind you as Jeeves would*You rang, maโ€™am?

          • beauty for ashes

            Aww man, what I wouldn’t give to have THIS superpower!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚
            “Monkey dear, I think Obs needed something, but while you’re here I’ve got a terrible crink in my neck, and would you go and figure out my new health insurance?? Thank you, what a good Monkey you are :)”

      • stanrogers

        Evening is hard sometimes.

    • It’s not Thursday XD They still have 2 hours until close of business.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Derek saved your asses LAPD. You owe him a certificate. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • SarahDB

      Now it’s after 5 LA time *taps foot and looks at watch* Where’s Shelly?

  • flyonthewall

    and now there is a for real literal cat burglar in the neighborhood. Some shady lady trying to steal people’s indoor/outdoor healthy looking tagged cats. One of ours goes out often and is overly friendly but smart. *sigh*

    • Liberated

      That sucks

      • flyonthewall

        idk wtf is wrong with people

        • Liberated

          Oh I know, when a neighbor goes after your pet they have crossed a line. I had to deal with that situation some years ago, it got ugly but the little punk didn’t hurt my cat anymore.

    • Kestrel

      New restaurant in town?

      • daisy

        You are extra hilarious today.

        • Bobbysue Fontaine de la Tour

          You’re not doing so bad yourself. ๐Ÿ‘

          • daisy

            TY -occasional J and D my only skill.

            • Kestrel

              That’s not what I heard … baby.

            • daisy

              * Whispers *Don*t tell anybody but I started those rumors

        • beauty for ashes

          Must have caught a fat squirrel this morning or something!

          • Kestrel

            Squirrels are off the menu due to maximum payload restrictions. No problem for OOkpik, though.

    • daisy

      So Trump has a another pussy grabber to hang out with.

      • flyonthewall

        he needs to relax and go take a shower. A real one

        • Todd Tomorrow

          His Ronco spray on hair might fall out.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GeF7A05zQ8

          • daisy

            This got me through many an insomniac night. I was going to order it and then I remembered I had plenty of hair. Unfortunately it didn*t stop me from ordering a bunch of other late night merchandise. I had to lock my credit card where I was too lazy to find it.

            • stanrogers

              There is no such thing as too many loud plastic pasta makers.

        • beauty for ashes

          gross

    • beauty for ashes

      how do you know they are not being raptured? **snickers**

      • flyonthewall

        pretty sure it was her who tried taking our cat once. Someone we know, not from the neighborhood, saw her and stopped her and questioned her. Few weeks later an alert goes out from the neighborhood group about a freakin cat burglar.

        • beauty for ashes

          That’s a new kind of crazy Fly.

    • Juicer77

      Ugh. Be careful. I’ve had to rescue felines that these “people” shut up in sheds, thinking they’re “taking care of them.” ๐Ÿ™

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      i hope he gets her. Look at that face, scary.

      • April

        Little girls are terrifying. That high pitched squeal they do when they’re pissed off. omg

        • SarahDB

          You should have seen my daughter in a melt down tantrum at 2, OMG! I would just let her scream it out on the floor, flailing and kicking for all she was worth, until she finally got tired.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        In LA I’m amazed he hasn’t shot her. Oh wait she’s white, never mind.

      • beauty for ashes

        you’re just spoiled with your adorable sweet kids.
        this reminds me of my friends daughter whom I adore, but is also the fastest troublemaker in the west.

    • BobbyTolberto aka TDA
      • beauty for ashes

        stealing this!

  • SNAFU

    In case this hasn’t been posted already, USA Today published a piece this morning on Leah Remini’s series entitled “The newest allegations from โ€˜Remini: Scientologyโ€™” The comments section is worth checking out too.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/the-newest-allegations-from-%E2%80%98remini-scientology%E2%80%99/ar-BBy95wj?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msnbcrd

    • salin

      interesting comments.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9-3syd5JW8

    Howard Stern Artie Lange Ridicules Scientologist Leah Remini

    19:00

    • daisy

      I am sure Leah can laugh at this now, at the very least hold no grudges.

    • beauty for ashes

      Is this when she was in? I haven’t watched it yet.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        yes.

  • flyonthewall

    I had a look around AV Club comment section and they’re stingy w/the upvotes. Just looking over comments most people have like 2 upvotes, 10 is very very rare. Like you have to be Dave Chappelle funny to get 10 or more upvotes. Also, no one’s profile is private. Got me nervous. What if they beat me up bc my profile is private? I’m going to go public w/my profile and try to infiltrate their tribe. Learn their ways. Study their habits.

    • Rasha

      Chlorine tablets. Bring chlorine tablets. Find a large, matronly protector in case your cover fails. The blue berries are okay in moderation, but the red, bumpy ones are best avoided.

      • flyonthewall

        Yes, good good, thank you. Do you think I’ll need quinine? Better, just to be safe

        • Rasha

          Of course. Also, a backup battery for your phone. And Mercurochrome. Oh, and some sort of eye protection in case you have to use to use an incidental eclipse to get their respect.

          • flyonthewall

            I’m in over my head aren’t I?

    • Ella Raitch

      I made a comment there the other day and got upvotes with a private profile. If they ask just say you comment at the Bunker and don’t want no stinkin’ OSA sniffing into your bidness

      • flyonthewall

        oh good, I like private better

  • beauty for ashes

    Watching ” The Green Slime” a science fiction movie made in good ole 1969. I’m assuming since it’s it’s on TCM it’s got to be some sort of classic.
    Anyway, what struck me is how outdated all the science and medicine is. Especially the technology. Is this the kind of stuff Hubbard thought was Futuristic?

    • Liberated

      Guess so….he really liked the “Telex”. Isn’t that still in use?

      • beauty for ashes

        Um Libs, this movie just got sooo campy, I feel stupid for bringing it up. The slime turns into a big turd like alien with one red eye and tentacles. if you just kicked it over it could not get back up, and I’ve been screaming that at the screen for the past ten minutes. KICK IT!!!
        And yes Telex!

    • chukicita

      1969? Hubbard peaked on science in 1952! I love watching old sci fi, though. It’s fun to see what people’s dreams were and what they forgot to dream. And that one is a campathon.

  • daisy

    For all you sci-fi nerds they named a new species of ape Skywalker gibbon.

    • Jimmy3

      Then the ape’s arm fell off immediately. Poor guy.

    • flyonthewall

      *sings* i hate every ape I see! From chimpan-a to chimpan-z!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Oi!;)

        • flyonthewall

          *sings* except for $cimonkeyrobnutssomething…..!

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Better… thank you :)(never realised I was such a whiny git! ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

      • Fly Lady

        Wrong

        • flyonthewall

          you don’t know. Go make me a pie. Make it apple…no peach. No apple, yes make it apple

          • daisy
            • flyonthewall

              ohh! thn…hey you didn’t do anything funny to it did you?

            • daisy

              Of course not. On another subject all together * did you see the movie -The Help ? If you didn*t do not , it was really bad.

            • flyonthewall

              I haven’t but I will. Then I’ll be wise to your game

          • Fly Lady

            Never.

          • Fly Lady

            I tried to male one… we were short on ingredients. I used some white bread for the bottom crust, subbed jelly for the pie bits and threw in some pb for protein and topped it with some more bread to make the top crust. do you like your pie cut in triangles or squares?

      • Robert Eckert
        • flyonthewall

          holy crap! I can’t believe it actually works too. Thnx man

    • beauty for ashes

      hey Canadian dog lover, they’re gonna name a new breed of stouter dogs the “Curded Beagle”
      plffflllllttt!

    • Rasha

      Apparently, he was just going down to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters….

    • Kestrel

      Here’s hoping it wasn’t named for Anakin Skywalker.

      • daisy

        I know that is probably funny but I took medication to get me through it and now do not remember any of it . It was in my youth, I did that alot.

  • Princess Squishy

    I’m still sick with a cold or the flu or the plague or something. Can someone kill me please? I watched my Blue Jays again this morning though, it’s in the 60’s today (but windy so I put on a coat), went outside and poured a bunch of peanuts on the front stoop, took my chair to the middle of the yard and pointed the camera at the front stoop. It took a few minutes for the blue jays to get comfortable around me but then they ate up all the peanuts within a half hour. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f91e2e276e8d5539d1d0a0a9b6b4804575590fce7a98a981ee5108b99c079b1.jpg

    • Rasha

      Nice. Awesome pic. ^_^ Also, yes, it is plague, Rasha has it, too.

      • Princess Squishy

        it’s horrible. I’ve been sick since Saturday, and I’ve missed work all 3 days this week so far. I really don’t want to keep missing but it’s so bad. I can’t even go to the doctor because I don’t have a car, unless I drive Mr. Squishy to work and then go to the doctor and then pick him up from work. Only for the doctor to tell me that there’s nothing they can do, it’s a cold, here have some antibiotics that won’t do any good anyways

        • Franklin Adams

          I’ve had it a month. On my third course of my antibiotics.

        • FredEX2

          It really is a horrible flu/plague…like none I ever had. You are so miserable until about day #5 when your sinuses spontaneously unplug and you can swallow. You feel like you could die at any minute. I lived thru it too. Thank god for Advil, Mucinex, Benadryl, and 2 types of antibiotics… (Bc it turned into bronchitis real fast)…and taking hot steamy showers will save your life, don’t forget those lotion infused Kleenex and water water water tea tea tea tea…chicken soup…more tea. Hope you feel better soon.

    • thetastic

      Great pic! If only blue jays weren’t such bullies.

      • Princess Squishy

        Thanks!
        I’ve heard that about them. I only have a couple around me, they weren’t bothering my other birds, I also had a Tufted Titmouse taking peanuts and a cardinal took one too. The only problem with the blue jays were when they were fighting with each other.

    • kemist

      Apparently you survive to it, because I’m recovering nicely after a super weird episode of the joints on both my hands swelling and getting maddeningly itchy, warm and red.

      *shrug*

      Weird stuff like that always happens to me.

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      Beautiful picture and color. I collect their feathers found around the yard-have a little bouquet of them.
      Edit to add: I just got over that nasty cold. Lasted almost 3 weeks. Feel better fast!

      • Princess Squishy

        I hope I don’t have it that long, Mr. Squishy was only sick 5 days. He’s going to come home from work early tomorrow and take me to the doctor. This is one time when having 2 cars would come in handy.
        Also I wish I could find any blue jay feathes

        • K2P2(KnitNut)

          Hope you feel better fast.

    • Juicer77

      Feel better soon! Hate those lingering illnesses. Yuck.

  • I bet RTC is busy trying to figure out, right this minute, who’s going to be in Season 2. If there will be one.

    • Rasha

      Those domain names ain’t gonna register themselves, y’know……

      • flyonthewall

        they might! no they prob won’t though

      • Mick Roberts

        Maybe when they declare someone, they go ahead and register the domain names ahead of time.

        • Rasha

          …wouldn’t be surprised if they have a team (or some overworked individual) who has a list of everyone in the PC Folder list, ready to register a hate site at a moment’s notice…

        • Not really. But “they” are probably considering it now.

        • Juicer77

          RMycroft has documented this again and again. They absolutely do.

    • thetastic

      Crossing my fingers for some Narcanon whistleblowers.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      A few minutes before the episode ends: Leah says she hopes to meet with lawyers and they won’t tell her there’s nothing they can do.

      Episode ends: Leah and Rinder get out of the car and “to be continued”

      I bet the RTC is trying to figure out, right this minute, who could be talking whose statute of limitations haven’t yet run out, or never did.

  • nottrue
  • iampissed

    Your not going to see me for awhile….but I would leave you with this.
    OSA….this is what family do for one another. These are the two things
    that my boys GF brought over today. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1a9c9f6d3469b77c4be7ac6e099a3113f3d56ea4820fefe15b84845b05b5027.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ed88a13eb45c71318f7ee2c964c73831dfb157f0882eec6d635d949b1708b87.jpg

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Awww, puppeh. So cute, and so thoughtful.

      Namaste.

      • flyonthewall

        you do yoga or something, what’s with namaste all the time suddenly?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I am a spiritual being now, at peace with the Universe. So please don’t be such a fuckin’ bigot!

          • Rasha

            …well played.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • flyonthewall
          • Liberated

            Plus you’ve got a nice ass.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              My spiritual being humbly accepts your gracious compliment ๐Ÿ˜Œ

        • K2P2(KnitNut)

          Hey Fly – yoga is good exercise! I partake 2-3 x week ๐Ÿ™‚

          • flyonthewall

            Cool. I just noticed that Johnny has been saying namaste a lot today when he hadn’t before and was wondering why

            • K2P2(KnitNut)

              Namaste! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • flyonthewall

              *sigh* smh lol. Thnx

      • iampissed

        Namaste…..brother.

    • chukicita

      Tell your boy that GF is a keeper. You’re right that is what families do.

    • OOkpik

      *reading between the lines*
      ((Hugs))

    • TexasBroad

      (((Hugs))) iampissed. Check in here and there and let us know you’re okay, okay?

    • ExCult.Jan

      Happy birthday!!

    • Juicer77

      <3

    • TexasBroad

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Just sending a hug.

  • OOkpik

    It sound like Leah and Mike aren’t quitting any time soon.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63584d60c2aff91d9e7bc3e8d3d6510a22998cdb78c6ca4a81ca43a8e6829bb7.gif To be Continued…

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Chapter 94 caught kitty’s attention:

      Annoy the enemy to wake 30 god-damn minutes before you know their smartphone will ring that pretentious ringtone.

      Contentedly eat and bathe as you now watch them wait for the 7:00am Bunker post.

      • Juicer77

        ROFL

  • madge filpot

    Anyone have a working link for last night’s Episode 8 please? Bing not up yet that I can find and nothing on You tube that is working.

    • HillieOnTheBeach
      • madge filpot

        Bless you HIllie.

      • Them Russians…

        • Rasha

          My anime sites are already blocked at work because of them. Still, I suppose a Crunchyroll account is overdue…..

          • Franklin Adams

            Its worth it, I get mine at a discount so see if there’s a promotion going. And it blows my mind that they’re legit now, I remember when they weren’t.

      • AntoniaW

        me too, works

    • April

      Oops sorry replied to wrong person.

  • bbock

    What goes through a Scientologist’s head when his entire family is decared SP and he is told to disconnect from his entire family? Doesn’t he for a moment at least think… wait… something’s wrong here. I know these people. They raised me. I know they are not evil.

    • daisy

      Many never-in*s feel this way , I did. After reading lots and lots of this blog and several websites and books , i feel differently now. You may too .

    • April

      Read a little about cult mind control and undue influence. Here’s a good one from Jon Atack: http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/01/john-atack-are-cult-members-like-those-in-scientology-unduly-influenced/

    • madame duran

      Good question. There isn’t a simple answer, though. Anyone who suggests the decision is a straightforward one is not willing to understand the complexity of human behaviour.
      There have been different reactions among Scientologists themselves. Some of them reached that crossroad and ended up siding with their family. Some stayed in the cult out of fear. Some of them remained loyal to Scientology and promptly disconnected from their loved ones. Keep in mind that Scientology ACTIVELY works to eliminate any other competitor that would “distract” members from surrendering everything to the cult–this includes the time spent to bond with family. I personally think that the ones who reject their family are able to do so because their mind automatically undergoes a process of rationalization. It can appear quite logical to them the more they submerge themselves into Scientology’s teachings. They can eventually lose all objective reality because Scientology has shaped them to accept the cult’s version of reality as being the only true one.
      As a never-in/non-Scientologist, I expect you to be baffled (as any sane person would be). Standing from the outside, it’s tempting to act judgmental. That attitude, however, doesn’t help anyone to change in the long run. Mind control is real and knowing how it works in a cult setting would cause you to better realize its power in making people do unconscionable things.

  • mikecrosby

    Just saw this beautiful article from Red State. Many won’t like their political bent, but you’ll love it’s message:
    http://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2017/01/11/leah-reminis-scientology-fight-front-andrew-breitbarts-war/

    • daisy

      I did like the article but I hope I in no way supported that magazine by clicking on it.

      • Franklin Adams

        Here’s an archive for the second one, you can read it and not give them a click.
        http://archive.is/rIBLA. I’ll throw up a link to the first in a reply to mike directly.

    • mikecrosby

      BTW, if you are on the left, i suggest you not read this actually. You would not want to give them patronage in any way by clicking on their website.

    • Techie

      Another one: http://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2016/12/07/leah-reminis-scientology-busting-reality-show-best-thing-tv-right-now/

      This is one show you should watching. It is riveting, chilling and deeply emotional. This might be one of the best reality shows on television right now. Adding to the drama and thrill is knowing that youโ€™re not just watching just another reality showโ€ฆyou might well be watching the beginning of the end for one of the biggest scams in religious history.

      As Ms. Remini says to the COS (after they sent a very nasty letter demanding no one watch her show),โ€When you stop f***ing with peopleโ€™s lives and families, Iโ€™ll stop too.โ€

      Go โ€˜head, Ms. Leah. Weโ€™re cheering you on.

    • Franklin Adams

      Here’s an archive in case you don’t want to give em a click. I personally don’t care, one click isn’t getting a Trump or Clinton elected, but in case you do.
      http://archive.is/eBduy

    • Ella Raitch

      If Reds are right wing, what are communists?

      • Franklin Adams

        Infrared.
        And that’s always bothered me about US Politics. Everywhere else in the world, Conservatives are Blue and the left is Red but we don’t have a real left in the US, we have liberals who are conservative but slightly less nasty about it.

        • Ella Raitch

          I think that is liberalism all over – until now conservatives and liberals fighting over the centre. If anything comes out of this swing to authoritarianism it might be a return to a political force that questions power and authority.

          • redfisch

            From your lips to Xenu’s ears.

  • Jimmy3

    What time does the show start

    • Jimmy3

      Never get any information here

      • stillgrace2

        We’re watching reruns, Jimmy.

        • Jimmy3

          I was watching Sad Superman get sad after watching PBS. And thats not a parody. Its a thing that actually happens in the damn movie.

          • stillgrace2

            I didn’t really understand what you said so I asked my 22 year old son who is a DC/Marvel fanatic what it meant and he said: “Mom … people online don’t make any sense.”

            • Jimmy3

              There’s a scene in Batman V. Superman where Superman is watching Charlie Rose interview a fictional U.S. Senator on the topic of Superman, and if we need a Superman, and is he more of a danger than a blessing… and then it cuts to Superman and he kinda sighs and hangs his head. I don’t know why but I find it hilarious.

            • stillgrace2

              Thanks. It led me to the viral Sad Affleck (Original Video by Sabconth). I won’t post it but it’s on YouTube and it really is sad. And then I found Kevin filmed while watching it. He barely said a word, he just reacted.

          • stillgrace2

            OK, I went down that rabbit hole. Have you seen Kevin Smith reacts to Sadfleck?
            I needed a tissue. My son told me they’re friends.

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah. He’s one hell of a story teller. Listen to his story about writing Superman Lives* or about when JJ Abrams gave him a tour of the Millenium Falcon. Both on YouTube. Love that guy.

              *Lives not Returns

      • Hey

        • Jimmy3

          Hi

          • How is Jimmy?

            • Jimmy3

              Putting the able in unstable. A little bored.

            • You’ll get over it.

  • Ella Raitch

    Kinda OT (or not – this is the Bunker!!). Shortly after the US election I installed a Chrome extension called Make America Kittens Again, which detects photos of Donald Trump and replaces them with kitty pics. It is GENIUS! Typical replacement photo below.
    You can also now elect to replace photos of Pence, Le Pen and Farage.

    I would love for there to be a Kardashian version.

    It is just delightful to see these kitty pix all over my news reading.

    It is donate-ware

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4029656ba5424295d43bf96f22eb5dfbc6936fba31f95fbb22d7506ea6acd83e.jpg

    • Franklin Adams

      That’s great. I wonder if its open source. I could definitely use it for pics of Putin, Trump, Mugabe, Turnbull, Zuma, Merkel, Hollande, May and pretty much every other politician out there. I’m sure that the Bunker cats approve this message.

    • madame duran

      One day by surprise, there should be a picture of a kitty horking up a hairball. The donate-ware would not only detect Trump’s name/image in a news story but would also violently REACT to it as well (while still using kitty pics).

    • Juicer77

      GENIUS.

  • TexasBroad

    Anything from LAPD?
    I am checking in late from my bathroom floor. I think I’ve developed a late in life shrimp allergy. Ate some, felt sick, called my husband and said “I might be getting allergic to shrimp…it seems like it’s made me sick last time I ate it also” and he said “STOP eating shrimp! It’s made you sick the last 5 times!” Well ok. I didn’t remember that. This time is memorable and I am trying to adhere as much body mass as possible to the cold tile because…well, shrimp allergy.
    OT and TMI. I really just meant to see if LAPD showed up.

    • Jimmy3

      Im not a doctor, but if youre eating shrimp off the bathroom floor, maybe thats the problem.

      • daisy

        What will you not stoop to, to get your little laughs. That poor women is sick.What if she dies? She sounds like she might. You are going to feel so bad. You will deserve to. Oh and my drink came out my nose. What a waste of perfectly good liquor. I will have to go to the store in the morning. It is a long walk. I obviously cannot drive . I had measured out the exact right amount of the juice to keep me drunk enough to go to the store in the afternoon. You screwed up all my calculations . Thanks for that , you inconsiderate bastard.

        • Jimmy3

          You’re the nurse. You’re one who took an oath. They’re gonna blame you, not me.

          Canadian R.N. Blamed For Floor Shrimp Death; Apologizes Profusely

          • daisy

            Oh big deal , I violate my oath daily. It won*t stick because I was drunk when I took it . The worse sin is stunting my buzz.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              LOL !!!

        • TexasBroad

          Daisy – lol! I don’t think I’m dying, but if I do, Jimmy3 can be happy he enriched my life with laughter — you too!

      • TexasBroad

        LOL! But really, no LAPD? What’s up with that?

        • Jimmy3

          I’m sure they’ll have to answer soon, right

    • FredEX2

      Oh! that’s miserable TexasBroad. Feel better quick. No more shrimp for you!

      • TexasBroad

        Lesson finally learned.

    • salin

      Sometimes reflection from those closest to us can give better “data” than our own memory. Glad hubby kept track of the bigger trend – dear TexaxBroad – Stop eating shrimp!

      I know you are not alone in wondering about the LAPD response – trusting that either an update or a new post will appear from our Proprietor.

    • Feel better soon please. Shrimp can be delicious, but it even made Tom Cruise sick. People had to do the RPF. Seriously, feel better soon.

      • TexasBroad

        I faintly remember that it WAS delicious but hard to admit that now.
        Thanks….I’m sure I will be fine tomorrow.
        Hopefully, somewhere, someone is pouring over LAPD docs….I can wait for news – hoping that there is some whenever it may come and not pages of redacted nonsense or lawyer letters in lieu.

        • Keep plenty of water nearby and drink it too.
          We will brief you on LAPD later.

    • daisy

      I made a joke below, but I really do feel bad for you. Food poisoning and allergies are the worst. I hope you get better soon, oh and stop eating shrimp.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i will hold your hair

      • TexasBroad

        ๐Ÿ™‚ I know you would.

    • ReallyMGM

      My husband did this. Be careful if you have to have a cat scan or any test requiring contrast medium. too. I had to spend an afternoon in the ER with him because, OOPS, he didn’t think of it. His favorite salad is a strawberry shrimp salad, so I have to have a fight with him over it every time we go to that restaurant. Don’t do like him, eat the shrimp salad and let your spouse find you passed out on the floor, calling 911. ARGH!

    • Juicer77

      Yikes. Don’t do that again. ๐Ÿ™ Hope you have been able to peel yourself off the floor.

      • Sine qua non

        I caught that pun.

        • Juicer77

          *shame* ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • AntoniaW

    Real Johnny-come-lately point (to use an antiquated UK expression) but I have just caught up with Leah Episode 7 courtesy of the Russians. Wow was that powerful. The anti-$cilon triumvirate inc our amazingly gutsy proprietor were magnificent. And it ended on such a wonderful cliff-hanger…Jesus wept or knock me down with a flying Thetan, that was a magnificent semi-finale. Leah/Mike zoning in on the nature of $cilon hatred was truly powerful. Vive La Revolution.

  • salin

    Hey Bunker Readers and Commenters – remember to click Recommend for today’s article and activity on the UB comments community. Just under the comments count is the Recommend feature. A quick click is like an upvote, and the heart beats and turns red. A vote of confidence/appreciation for Tony’s article, a vote for higher profile (of active communities) on Disqus. Surely we can bump that 157, on this very active day, up and closer to 200.

    As a reminder I share a gorgeous Aurora photo captured in Finland yesterday. http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=132222&PHPSESSID=77reurbhu2k9i9vsqg4vqedp95

    • TexasBroad

      Oooh – it looks like a menacing face!

      • salin

        How true. Funny, I am so into interesting Aurora shots/colors that I didn’t see that menacing face. Until you pointed it out. Now – sort of like some cloud watching formations: yikes!

  • FredEX2

    Any news of Shelly yet? Will this be the subject of tomorrow’s report?

    • Franklin Adams

      There may have been a bunch of redactions they had to make and the clerk doing the redactions had to ask questions as well as submit anything that might be released to someone else to ensure its next to useless. I’m sure its going to have so many redactions in it that it’ll make a declassified NSA/CSS intercept look like they’re being forthcoming. If it doesn’t look like Swiss Cheese, I will be really surprised.

      Last thing you want to do with an entity like the CoS is leave anything in there that might get informants or other intelligence collection methods burned or conversely, anything that would make LAPD and the larger City government’s bias toward the Cherch any more obvious.

  • Ella Raitch

    While it’s late and quiet, has anyone else wondered what gives in this segment (lower RH ) of the Howdycon picture? Is it some kind of portal? Can I teleport, Kim? That would make a big difference to the prohibitive time and cost of travelling half way around the world.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4544f3753736b8919898fe6000f24fb896e1c93c8d87cd75b652d91c86b2c66.jpg

    • daisy

      pppp

    • Observer

      It’s a traffic light.

      • stanrogers

        Taken with a lens having a 9-bladed aperture iris at a high f-number for greater depth of field. A smaller aperture (bigger f-number) increases diffraction, and the number of points in the star will either be the same as the number of iris blades if it’s an even number or double that number if it’s odd. (Just added for the not-everything’s-a-shoop-ness of it. Knowing what artifacts should or shouldn’t be in a picture just because of the nature of the beast helps a lot when you’re trying to figure out whether or not the picture is plausible on its face.)

    • Observer
      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        That’s beautiful

      • Kim O’Brien

        i was trying to get us a space and dinner in that lit up clock tower with the different colors on it . But ….they want $4,500 just to rent to space . SO unless someone is marrying me again , i am looking for other places LOL .

        • Jimmy3

          Ok fine, but I want a pre-nip

      • Ella Raitch

        More of twinkle than a portal here

    • Kim O’Brien

      doink !

      • Observer

        Check your FB messages

  • Introspection Rundown and Truth Rundown should both die in fire.

    • salin

      Both need to be relegated to the ash-bins of history.

    • Pittctycitizen

      They will one day.

    • califa007

      Hey, wait! The Truth Rundown is not a Scientology rundown – it’s the name of the series published by the St. Petersburg Times (now Tampa Bay Times) in 2009. It prompted me and many others to look and leave. It wasn’t long after reading the Truth Rundown that I found Tony on the Village Voice. In my opinion, it started the current exodus.

  • Pittctycitizen

    I have read the books about this evil cult, highly respect Leah and all those who have been courageous to speak out during this series. One question that I have for those that have been around this for a while: is Mike Rinder for real? He listens to people’s stories throughout the episodes almost without blinking or reaction. Only time he did react was the poor mother a few shows back who has lost her son to this cult. I’m sorry, but I don’t remember her name.

    I’ve read about the disappearance of Rathburn after he was so vocal. I just wonder and would appreciate feedback on Rinder from those that have been around this stuff much longer than I have. Thanks

    • April

      Nope, Mike Rinder’s not real. He’s made entirely of wax.

      No sure what you mean by “real.”

      • Pittctycitizen

        Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I meant is he on the up and up as really out of this cult.

        • April

          All indicators point to him being fully on the side of critics for quite awhile now. You can read his blog at http://www.mikerindersblog.org/

          • Pittctycitizen

            Thank you. I have. Just wanting insight from people that know him. Sorry if I don’t seem to be getting my point or reason across

            • April

              You’re coming across as a troll trying to sew dissension and paranoia amongst the ranks of the CO$ critic community. We have no reason to suspect that Mike Rinder isn’t on the up and up. His personality is entirely different from Rathbun’s. I have no idea why you want to compare the two, other than they were both once high ranking execs. If you want to get a better feel for who Mike Rinder is, go read his blog, watch youtube videos where he’s being interviewed, etc.

            • Pittctycitizen

              Excuse me? I am trying to gain information to discern fact and fiction. I believe Scientology is an evil cult that has its origins in the occult. This name calling is ridiculous. Others have posted their viewpoints which is exactly what I wanted. I don’t know either person except watching this show and video clips or interviews like 20/20. Just trying to get information.

              And btw, I have every reason to question anyone who has left any cult where they had a promiment position in light of those who were once prominent in their speaking out against one and then stopping it. I don’t know these people at all. I can question anyone’s motives I want to without resorting to hateful and rudeness.

              Please do not respond to me anymore. You were rude to me within the first 3 minutes of me posing my question.

            • ReallyMGM

              Go back and read his archives. If you can find them buried back on Marty Rathbun’s blog, he had guest blogs there years ago. You will see how far he has come. He is the real deal.

            • Ella Raitch

              Don’t know but have been watching this space daily since 2011. When I first started watching, Mike appeared to be Indi – out of the cult because of the abuses but somewhat reverent about LRH. I’d say he’s all out now, but maintains his blog as a safe space for people to come to their own conclusions. Just in this latest show he has expressed legitimate regret for his actions as a hard core Sea Org member.

        • sizzle8
          • Pittctycitizen

            Wow. I ask a question trying to help me discern facts and fiction and so many of you are rude and childish in your response (or pictures as here) to me. Wow. Sorry if I am trying to ask a question and get information trying to take in all that is being said about this evil cult. Good for you. You have run off another person. I don’t have to put up with this childishness.

        • richelieu jr

          FWIW, I’ve been on this beat for a while, and consider myself a fair judge of character at a distance (the Internet’s favourite, fastest-growing, totally ridiculous and unscientific pastime), which is to say, I am an opinionated guy who cares about the subject and knows nothing about these people from personal experience, only what I have seen them say and do (as presented through media and the Net), what they have written, and what has been said and written about them.

          I took a good deal of heat for a few years around these parts for my dogged insistence that Marty Rathbun may have left CoS, but Scientology had definitely not left him, as he seemed to me only worried about ‘crimes’ when they impacted himself (and arguably now, his family) personally, seemed more worried about threatening and dropping dark hints about David Miscavige, and above all else, concerned that Mark “Marty” Rathbun be treated with the respect and deference he felt he deserved as the ex-thug for a totalitarian cult bent on world-domination under the guise of Human RIghts and Religious Liberty for all. His repeated refusal to come clean, name names, etc in public, as well as his insistence that he had done so, apologizing to ‘those who deserved it” in Private and was not to be questioned onthe issue under penalty of seeing a grown bully sulk I found ridiculous in the extreme.

          I questioned myself and even apologized to him directly in his blog when he finally (YEARS IN) began to publicly question Hubbard, because until that point I had presumed henahd been positioning himself within the risibly named ‘Independent Scientology” movement as heir apparent to L’il Davey after the coup. It seemed heahd reached the point of no-return with those intrepid idiots when he dared sytate the obvious: The nastiness and lies are baked-in features of Scientology, not the crimes of one midget riding heard on 19,999 innocent do-gooders. And the hand-on-their wallets (and cyst on their brains) was Hubbard’s, by design.

          I belatedly questioned my own presumptions about the man, about our ability to change and began reading- his blog, faux-mysticism, unread book-title dropping and all.A nd even when he totally twisted the meanings of theories I have studied (indeed which I havre degrees in) I cut him a some slack, like a one would a caveman at a temp agency, and ex-con having trouble with social skills, or (dropping the misogyny) Dr Johnson’s Talking Dog (the point being that it is not that it does it well, but that it does it AT ALL that is notable). After all, he seemed to have come a long way from an enforcer who’s five favourite authors were, Hubbard, Hubbard, LRH, Hhbbard, and LRH by way of Miscavige.

          This, if course first came crashing down for me with his insistence on treating CoS watchers who supported him, took his side on countless blogs, wished him and his wife and new child well often and publicly were first derided as “GROUPIES’ from the height of his success as an Ex-Destroyer of evidence in a Murder Investigation, paid liar, tracker, strong arm and thug cum Hubbard Rehabilitator and Man Who Sees the Path Forward from Miscavige’s Errors (but is NOT, NO NO NO NO Interested in Taking his Place (since revealed by himself to have been… erm.. not-entirely-true) to Champion of the Little Guy with the Power to Topple Davey to the Cheers of ALL OF US to– Meekly doing his A-E’s and realizing that everything he accused Miscavige of were in fact, his own acts and Crimes–

          He asserts that he was shocked, SHOCKED that his experience in these areas entitled him not to be co-producer, director and writer ans Star of a film, but only its subject and consultant. This I can believe.

          SO while i was shocked by the manner in which he dropped the lawsuit and turned on his supporters and erstwhile friends, I was not surprised in the least.

          “It is not enough to have one or some of the same enemies” I repeated again and again on this blog and others and in varying forms.

          What does this have to do with Mike RInder?

          I was surprised to see the video a few years back of them fishing and dishing on Miscavige. I LOVED IT! But after a while I started to hear more and more “You know, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR that…” WE. This was Marty, but Mike was nodding along.

          Shit, I thought.

          Then I heard Mike (and both of them) continue to disparage Gerry Armstrong as in, “Well, Hubbard may be wrong, and we did do some things wrong, but Gerry deserved what he got.”

          As in “ASSHATS R US”.

          YIPES!

          And yet, much more quietly than Marty, and without seeming to demand recognition and strokes for each act of impressive “acting like a basically good person should”, Mike’s blog became more and more a place where opinons would differ, Under-the -radar Scilons could cool off, ask questions, and every other differing opinion did not seem to disappear 5 minutes after posting like chez Marty.

          These past weeks have sen Mike come int his own in a big way, not only in Leah’s series (which I actually have found him to be quite expressive and feeling in– just not emoting and trying to make it about himself, which I personally find quite refreshing), but in a series of well-written and clearly thought-out blog posts on important subjects that he has addressed inthe past, without the clarity and passionate presentation (though he continues to refuse to inject himself if unnecessary scandals– Marty’s, for example).

          All this to say, fallible as i may be, and as prone to overstatement, Mike long ago struck me as someone grappling honestly in semi-public with his own responsibility and demons, but without making it all about him or insisting that we care about his personal journey as front-page stuff. What is more, when he makes apologies and amends, he does so personally, specifically, and in public.

          And he doesn’t expect that the Wog World should accord him the same respect and deference to which he was occasionally accustomed in the abusive cult heonce called home.

          He seems to understand that that was not real, and while perhaps an understandable mistake to have made under the circumstances he (and many like him) came into it in, it remains just that: A Mistake.

          And who knows?– With this show he may have even done more good than he helped do harm in the Cult.

          BUKt I’l bet anyone here a cool mill that there will be no upcoming episode of Leah’s show where he and Leah recant, attack the producers, claim to have been misled and that all the crimes exposed by the series were really all about them and CERTAINLY not about CoB, the Mini-Mussolini with delusions of humanhood.

          Any takers?

          • Pittctycitizen

            Thank you. You answered the questions which is all I was wanting someone to do.

            • richelieu jr

              Well, you were my intended audience, so I’m glad it helped. Sorry it took so long to get tot he point, but that is the way it is dow this rabbit hole…

              PS, you know Mike did burst into tears in one of the first two episodes..

            • Pittctycitizen

              Yes and that is actually what made me question him. But thanks for facts. It did help. I just wanted to be sure no one was being manipulated by this evil cult.

    • What books did you read and are you a police officer?
      Mike Rinder is for real, as far as I know. Ask him.

      • Pittctycitizen

        Am I a police officer? Seriously. Why do you people verbally attack those of us asking questions of people we don’t know, but others do? Wow. Good for you. You have run off another person just asking questions. I guess there are something you don’t want us to know.

        • I am sorry. It did came out a bit rough, didn’t mean to offend. Curious about police badge honoring the fallen in your picture. Wish you a good day.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I suspect that Rinder has seen so much for so long a time, he may have become a little jaded or numb to it all. But as you give an example, some things eventually get to him.

      • April

        I’m not sure it’s that he’s jaded as much as he knows this is Leah’s show, not the Mike & Leah show even though he plays a prominent important role. He lets her take the lead because it’s her show and he probably doesn’t want to upstage her or the guests’ stories who are on the show each week, or distract from the message they’re presenting. Mike and Leah are are actually great together. Their chemistry + compelling stories has made for a very powerful television series.

        My impression was that he broke down on Mary’s episode because he had been friends with her when all of the events surrounding the disconnection were happening. It probably also reminded him of how much he misses the adult children who have disconnected from him.

    • Interested2

      If you read more and watch more of the older you tube, you would understand that they are taught to not blink or react… Bull baiting is a favourite pastime. After years of this indoctrination that would become second nature for him. I have followed him for years and have seen how sincere he is, where as Marty r has always seemed so proud of all the shit he caused.

      • Pittctycitizen

        Gotcha. Thanks

    • Juicer77

      I’m a never in, and don’t know Rinder personally. But I’ve been paying close attention for a while now. In my humble opinion, he’s legit. Took a while for him to get out of the $ci mindset but he’s no longer even an “independent.” I’m sure he has hurt people in the past and they rightfully have reason to mistrust him. But he’s done a lot to expose what the Co$ is really all about – money and power. He fact checks and tries to be as level-headed about it as possible. He’s been a reliable and discreet conduit for people still “in” who want to share their information but can’t do it publicly. He’s always been stoic and well spoken. I think the breakdown on the episode with Mary Kahn was a genuine crack in the dam of emotions. He could have insisted that be edited out, but perhaps he wants people to see that even though life is good now, he has regrets and misses his two grown kids.

      • Pittctycitizen

        Thank you for providing me information which is what I asked. Other reason I posted my question is that he gets very nasty with people on his blog that ask him questions. I went there last night after someone posted the blog address. Someone asked him a question regarding the interview with the journalist and he verbally attacked them and called them names like a preschooler. Just makes those of us new to this getting so much information and wanting to discern what is fact and fiction. Doesn’t help when those with questions get bashed.

        • Juicer77

          This was Mike Rinder? That doesn’t sound like him. Going to look for myself. BRB.

        • Juicer77

          I can’t find the exchange you mention, but it sounds very unlikely. Do you have a link? Rinder is pretty good at explaining things and knowing when someone is sincerely asking vs. trolling.

          • Pittctycitizen

            It is the comments following the posting from last night’s show. I was just going through them. A woman questioned his attitude during the journalist section and he was not happy she did. Subsequent people who commented called her names and belittled her for asking a question.

            • Juicer77

              That’s a shame.

  • Hello Thursday before 2pm.

  • Liberated

    The late night comedians are really takin’ a piss on trump.

    • edge

      I see what you did there

      • Liberated

        I’ve got a wee bit more…this shit is “golden” how can anyone pass it up?

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      I see they are showering him with mirth, but he said he doesn’t like leaks.

  • Just be fucking honest. Later.

  • Jennifer Lynn Litke

    The thing that has been BOGGLING my mind for the past few days is this; they are supposedly the most “ethical group on the planet”, yet their very policy on “fair game” is a contradiction of ethics due to the part where they encourage parishioners to lie in order to protect Scientology. If Scientology was so “ethical” then it could stand under scrutiny and there would be no need to lie. They have themselves caught in their own Catch-22 where-in the lie is needed to protect themselves from the lies told to protect themselves.

    • JJ

      And it is led by the kindest,most compassionate, dedicated, intelligent person on the planet…

      • Jennifer Lynn Litke

        I don’t know about that, although I know that is what the “Kool-aid kids” would say. I see his pictures flashed on media outlets and there is something in his eyes that seem almost evil. He just does NOT have a trustworthy face. (Most compassionate my *ss)

        • JJ

          That’s sort of a take on the comments Tom Cruise made when DM gave him his ginormous medal at a Scientology event years back. Sort of mutual admiration society gone bad…

      • Jennifer Lynn Litke

        PS…I was aware of the sarcasm!

    • Liberated

      The cult’s definition of ethics is very different from normal people’s definition of ethics.
      When a scientologist lies, it’s called “acceptable truth”.

      Scientology is the cult of arrogance….they’re right and everyone else is wrong and don’t you dare ask why.

      • Jennifer Lynn Litke

        A convenient logic and entirely circular, however, with the advances in internet reach and the sheer amount of willing individuals willing to speak out, their superiority will undoubtedly be exposed.
        Hard to hold something over someone’s head when the whole world is wise to your tactics.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          More and more people are learning the truth every day, thanks to Tony Ortega, Mike Rinder, Leah Ramini and many, many others.

        • Liberated

          When a person has “auditing” and confesses his/her most personal inner secrets to the auditor and that session is video taped…that is what the cult holds over the person’s head.
          It’s bad enough for a regular person to be threatened with disclosure, but a celebrity who’s entire career depends on “respect for privacy” it means disaster.

          Don’t ever think they won’t do it, they already have many times. There is no low that hateful cult will not stoop.
          If you haven’t seen Going Clear…I recommend you do, it will explain much better than I how cruel and vindictive this “religion” truly is.

          • Jennifer Lynn Litke

            Oh I’ve been watching anything and everything on scientology for well over a year now. I am well versed in their different tactics, and yes, Going Clear was one of the productions I saw. The first I remember watching, vividly I might add, was John Sweeney’s BBC piece and I was horrified by their tactics in that piece. Even despite John’s “outburst” where he seemingly lost control of his senses it was obvious to me that he had been provoked.
            I do understand all of the manipulation techniques employed by this organization, and the implications of “blowing” for the parishioners. Celebrities I am less concerned for, most of them as with any person who lives with wealth and privilege are known to live with excesses that are beyond mere mortal comprehension. Their sensational sordid skeletons, while tragic for them should they be made public, are not at all unexpected. Moreover, they live in the spotlight and to some extent are a product of the life they sought after to begin with. But for the mere mortal who SHOULD have the basic right to privacy, having their mistakes and sins on public display would be traumatizing. It is them I would feel the most compassion for, and as a public, the less we pay mind to the smear campaigns employed by scientology the less power they have over the individual.

            Just the wealth of information that is currently available is daunting and seemingly never-ending. The more people who make the decision to blow, the less impact that kind of blackmail will have. As more and more people leave, there will be fewer people able to keep up the numbers leaving. It isn’t like they are ACTUALLY increasing in number by any meaningful capacity day-by-day. And the key is to stop the money flow…the more the damaging stories are shared, the less likely wealthy benefactors are going to want to be a part of that kind of bad PR. If the money can be stopped, they lose their power and their grip.

    • 9001

      $cilon ethics are explained by Jeff Hawkins in a series of Bunker posts here http://tonyortega.org/jefferson-hawkins-getting-our-ethics-in/

  • Juliet

    Where is the link to Craig’s video? I can’t find it and I’m curious to know what he says.

    • April

      Search Google. We don’t provide links to the smear sites here afaik.

  • Jack99

    Okay, it’s not going to happen, but I hope Cruise walks away from the church, if only for watching what they will have to come up with in the attack video. Will there be uncomfortable looking celebrities mumbling lines about what an asshole he was?

    Alley: He was never a serious scientologist, you know. He was actually expelled in 97, but Miscavige, that dear man, pitied him, and didn’t make it public.
    Travolta: Nobody liked him. He was a big nuisance, really. He was the one who screwed up Battlefield Earth. He said, you know, Needs more dutch camera angels.
    Cartwright: I saw him looking at porn once. It looked like kiddie porn to me. We didn’t go visit him any more after that. I told my kids to stay away from him.
    Elfman: He embarrased all of us when he jumped on the couch. A real scientologist wouldn’t do that, you know, show any feelings. He was probably on drugs.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      “He never really did his own stunts, you know.”

      • Baby

        Tommy Davis is Suri’s REAL dad

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          BABY!!! How ya doin’? (((HUGS)))

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            OK, never mind then ๐Ÿ™„

          • Baby

            Hugs.. MEH.. but talking about health is a big snooze..ha. thanks honey

        • EmmaDaoust

          Ooh, Baby packs a punch! Pow!

        • John Prince

          ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ŠโœŒwhere is little tommy “i’m angry”davis these days? I’d LOVE to hear what the little rodent has to say about the Aftermath of tom &katie’s Wedding ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Baby

            He’s working for a Whale now.. I forget who though John. .OMG I bet you anything that he is following it!

            • John Prince

              Nice to “see”You again ๐Ÿ˜Ž. .
              I thought packer packt it in โœŒ

      • Bob Crouch

        Not even the couch jumping?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          CGI.

    • Jennifer Lynn Litke

      If ONLY for the sake of discrediting the church would I want to see Tom Cruise leave. I can’t imagine a day where that would happen, he is the ultimate “Kool-aid Kid” after all!

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, lurkers and newbies and under-the-radars. There’s always room on the Bunker couch for more.

  • AmorA
  • AmmoAlamo

    That act, done by a person so obviously mentally ill at that moment, should never have been prosecuted as a felony, nor as a hate crime – the DA should resign from shame, or be run out of town on a rail, to use an old expression of disfavor. Plus, the family had $30,000 to spend at $cn in recent years yet could not buy better legal help? As one who knows felony up close and personal, 5 years for one un-lit joint in 1968, found buried under a pile of leaves on a dark night, in a crowd, and assigned to me because the cop “just knew he was gonna bust a hippie” that night, so if for sure know this young man should have one and only one life purpose now, and that is to get that felony knocked down to misdemeanor. It is not the future job problem, Leah’s vid and the love of his family will help there, and most employers have some leeway, heck in forty years it never kept me from any job I applied for, though once I had to change careers because a felon could not get the certifications needed to advance, so jobs should not be a big problem, except law enforcement, and churches, government, armed forces, anyone requiring a security clearance, and so on… Nor is it the fact he can’t legally own firearms in most of the US, no, not that either, for many people care nothing about gun ownership. It is the way such an unfair mauling by the injustice system eats at the soul, and will follow him all the days of his life, springing forth with feelings of powerlessness and internal screams at the inhumanity of the people and system that would torture a young person with the life sentence of a felony hate crime record for such slim cause. If he can’t get rid of it soon, his statement that his life is ruined will be all too true, at least late at night, all alone with the dark corners of his mind. This family does not want their son burdened for life by a felony hate-crime record – that is a fate worse than scientology. p.s. I will contribute to a legal fund if the family needs it and knows it could help.