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Nora Crest’s powerful new video: Why you can’t be gay in Scientology

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Nora Crest is back with a new video, and this one is timed to take off.

Since the last time she brought us a video message, she’s had a major profile at the Daily Mail, which helped to get word out about her experience in Scientology. As a young Sea Org member who worked at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre, she got into trouble because she kissed her female roommate — and liked it.

For that “crime,” Nora was interrogated and then assigned to the Sea Org’s notorious prison program, the “Rehabilitation Project Force.” Conditions in the RPF were so degrading, after two years in the program, Nora became so desperate to leave, she drank bleach and was hospitalized.

We’ve written numerous times about Scientology and its deep-seated homophobia. (See our stories about a man named Keith Relkin and our profile of Derek Bloch.) And Nora is the latest to come out of the organization to reveal how hellish Scientology can be about sexual orientation. With Leah Remini’s A&E series now introducing a whole new audience to Scientology watching, Nora wanted to explain some of the basic reasons why Scientology is as homophobic as it is.

“As you know I have been speaking out for a few years now about Scientology and its rampant homophobia. I have even made a couple of videos about it in the past,” Nora says. “And I worked with Leah Remini to get this video done because the truth about the repercussions of Scientology processing need to be known. In this video I cut right to the heart of why you can not be gay in Scientology, as dictated by the technology itself. This video is the most personal and raw video that I have made, and making it has been a life changing experience for me. I hope that it will speak to anyone out there who is LGBT and let them know that it is all right to be you.”

We asked Leah Remini for her thoughts on the video.

“I want to thank Nora for her bravery and honesty. This is one of the many things I had a hard time with in Scientology. It’s this kind of discrimination that needs to be known. Every Scientologist knows this to be true. No one should feel ashamed of who they are. No one should feel that there is something innately ‘wrong’ with them that needs to be fixed because of who they love. Other belief systems at least admit their bigotry, this organization hides its beliefs.”

In the video, after reviewing some of reasons Scientology inherits its homophobia from founder L. Ron Hubbard, Nora speaks powerfully and emotionally about how Scientology’s interrogations made her feel about who she was. We think you’ll find this video to be a moving testament. Please, share it far and wide.

 

 
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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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  • sizzle8

    “…by the way, we have several homosexuals and lesbians who have been very well fixed up by granting beingness to the spirit of man and the spirit of woman. A girl, for instance, who is definitely on the boy side of the register straightened out her case simply by having her grant beingness to the spirit of woman, grant beingness to the spirit of woman. All sorts of locks and things fly off; but the fact of the matter is the body reverts to a feminine characteristic.
    …a physiological change took place which was quite marked.
    9ACC-26 14 Jan 1955

    • sizzle8

      “Of course, the deathblow to womankind was Florence Nightingale. …She probably did more for homosexuality than any other person in our modern times, except maybe Oscar Wilde. How do you get that? You put a woman into every painful incident: the treatment after the accident, the illness, and so forth. You keep putting a woman into the scene. Don’t you see?
      …you get her in there as an associative restimulator, you run fellows downhill like mad, and they eventually won’t even confront a woman. You get the idea?”
      15ACC-24 15 November 1956

      • kemist

        Yep, I get the idea.

        You sir, are a completely insane dolt who doesn’t understand the slightest thing about how humans work. I recommend a lobobotomy.

        • sizzle8

          @kemist
          Those are Hubbard’s quotes, not mine.
          Just showing some of the madness that generates the homophobic culture in the CofS.

          • kemist

            Yes, I was answering Hubbard 😛

      • Sherbet

        Holy sh**! Insane.

    • Kim O’Brien

      ‘All sorts of locks and things fly off”

      i pictured a woman ‘ who is definitely on the boy side ” with dreadlocks …flying off her head . I need a nap

      • gtsix

        “and things” … would that be the strap-on?

        • Kim O’Brien

          i guess it is now LOL . jeez ..never even thought of that . way to spice it up hahaha

      • iampissed

        Was thinking of you today. Fantasizing that miscavage showed up on my
        doorstep and I went ALL KIM on his ass.

        • Kim O’Brien

          oh god …is that a thing now ?? ..to go ” ALL KIM” …LOL …

          i had an old boyfriend who used to name my personalities ( since i am a raging gemini ) these are just a few

          Kim-passionate
          Kim-mando
          Kim-man-iamgonnafuckyouupifyoudonotleavemealone

          • iampissed

            I just like ladies with moxie.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Geeze Ron, wth?

      • Draco

        Unfortunately, I understood exactly what he said…

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oh.

    • Graham

      Oh Elron. You and your delusions of adequacy.

  • flyonthewall

    Maybe. They’re certainly not Scientologists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4Z6smOrZw

  • Glen

    I read Mike Rinder’s blog daily. He seems a very cool, articulate guy who can pepper his astute and knowledgeable analysis with a nice helping of wit and snark. And in some ways, he is the analytic foil to the more ebullient and emotional Leah in the series. Still the cool, smart guy who knows so much.

    I think that is partly why his sobbing in the program last night had such an impact. It’s in some ways like the teacher who always talks in a soft voice in class but when needed can be loud and forceful. The contrast reverberates. And so when Mike, obviously empathizing with Mary, is unable to damp down his own pain and familial loss, it reaches right out of the tv screen and grabs your heart.

    Blessings on all you good, brave people.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Rinder is a good egg. Waiting for his son by living 15 mins. away shows true loving emotion vs. the meat children distraction from ScioCorp.

      • Glen

        You’re right. I was also struck my Amy Scobee’s father who welcomed Amy with open heart and arms after being cut off for all those years.

    • daisy

      great insight

      • Glen

        Thank you, Daisy.

  • Am finding this website and the comments endlessly fascinating.

    Thank you to Tony and everyone here who contributes.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I wonder if LRH’s obsession with other people’s sex lives (and his lunatic “discoveries”) were the result of being infected with a venereal disease.

    • Tony Ortega

      He had gonorrhea in the war, but his oversexed attitude appears to have been congenital.

      • LongtimeLurker

        It scares me sometimes when you do that.

        • using the words you mean 🙂

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yes.

            No. How he pops up with an answer while I’m looking at a new comment.

            • yeah! how does he do that?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Tony powers.

            • Draco

              TO Powers ;P

            • LongtimeLurker

              OT
              Draco, check out the Christmas Catalog post, sort by newest.

            • Draco

              Kiss kiss

            • He must be exterior to the bunker?

            • LongtimeLurker

              3 feet back of The Bunker.

            • There yugo…. and a new state of mind was born!

  • FredEX2

    A little O/T but this question just came up. If LRH ‘cancelled’ the Fair Game policy and the policy about human sexuality then how can Scientology defend themselves and their ‘1st Amendment Rights’ that what they do is in accord with these policies which are part of their ‘religious scripture and practices’? Doesnt ‘cancelled’ mean it is no longer part of their ‘doctrine’?

    • Kestrel

      There you go using logic again.

    • ze moo

      Only the mention or writing about Fair Game was cancelled. The actual practice was never banned.

      • Well as I mention above, the letter actually says the practice of DECLARING fair game is cancelled, and of course, nothing else.

      • FredEX2

        Yep! How well I know. But they still say they ‘don’t do’ fair game anymore. Just like they say you can be a Christian or that they make no discrimination against people being gay.

        They seem to practice the adage ‘What is true for you, is true’…but that doesn’t mean they tell the truth….especially about Scientology.

    • chukicita

      We don’t do that. We never did that. We don’t do that anymore.

    • Although you have a good point, if I recall correctly the cancellation was of the practice of DECLARING fair game.
      I think this point has gone unnoticed because the letter also says nothing else is changed.
      So, they don’t issue a DECLARE that someone is fair game.

      • FredEX2

        Oh yes. That’s right Shorpy. But I’ve heard Scientologists distinctly deny that they ever do ‘fair game’ tactics bc it was ‘cancelled’. Wish I could find that video.

        • Well, they would lie about it anyway, but none of them are any good at reading comprehension to begin with.

  • Kristen

    I wonder…if some states make so-called “conversion therapy” illegal, would someone like Nora be in a position to sue Scientology, or somehow have them prosecuted for engaging in what is tantamount to “conversion therapy”? I think it would be a possibility and an interesting prospect.

  • Now here is a Real church who don’t take any crap from haters: http://www.dailydot.com/irl/arizona-church-rainbow-flag/?tw=dd
    Could be interesting to hang those flags around Scientology Orgs and see what they would do about it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Wow, that pastor sounds amazing. And in Arizona, too.

      Thanks D.

  • beauty for ashes

    Yeah Nora!!! What a good day to get my internetz back. Can’t wait to see the video!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Welcome back.

    • Rasha

      *waves*

    • iampissed

      Hey beauty good to see you back.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It always amazes me when a member of the LGBT community allows themselves to be used for CO$ PR purposes. Here is LA City Councilman Mitch O’Farrell at Author Services a few weeks ago 🙁
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c98bc9218cfe1be808816efb76998fc0951d4883f7e4870c705424d59aad102e.png

    • And, of course, a couple of LA’s “finest”.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Emily!

      Run, Emily, run!

    • beauty for ashes

      Emily sure looks pretty in that color!

  • this is my friend Tammy’s band hitting the daily quota of Lesbians, Kittenz, and Metal (oh my) … what else do you want?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBC-ehtW6NQ

  • Draco

    After listening to and reading all these stories over the last couple of weeks, you know what amazes me?
    These people, just ordinary people like you and me, have the courage to stand up to a highly litigious, multi billion dollar business that masquerades as a church, and they tell their stories. They know the church is going to leak their secrets, lie about them, get their family members to video those hideous lies about them…and still they do this.

    So what REALLY amazes me is this: if these ordinary people can stand up to the Church of Scientology like this, to get the truth out and to stop more people from becoming victims, why the hell are the IRS and the FBI still running scared?
    Over and over, people have testified that the church spends vast fortunes on PIs and lawyers and harassment of ex-members. The church hasn’t sued them for telling lies, therefore it must be true. So why is nobody in power saying: “Hold on, that’s not right to spend your parishioners money on shit like that!”?

    Isn’t it time they had the testicular fortitude to do something about this?

    • CameronCrest

      I agree, and just because you don’t hear anything about it, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. More here: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-FBI-not-investigate-Scientology-if-it-is-widely-believed-to-be-a-cult-guilty-of-criminal-activity

      • Draco

        “The tricky part of investigating them is that they are recognized as a religion and a lot of the human rights violations are viewed as ” religious practices” and they can’t be stopped for those. ”

        That’s why I particularly mentioned money in my post above. They might be able to call all their human rights abuses “religious practices”, but surely spending their parishioners hard earned “donations” on lawyers and PIS can’t be right. Maybe for the odd case, to defend themselves for something or other…but $12,000,000 to follow Pat Broeker for 24 YEARS, just in case he says or does something that might embarrass dear leader? While their religious volunteers eat rice and beans? Does not sound very religious to me.

        I know in the grand scheme of things, scn is probably considered a small problem by those in power compared to other stuff happening in the world. But for those families ripped apart by this filthy cult, it is the dominating factor in their lives, and they deserve some justice.

        • CameronCrest

          No doubt. The money they collect and how they spend it is enough to kill their tax exempt status. How can a “church” pay it’s members a 15% comission when they get another member to make a mandatory “donation”. And why do the best full time FSMs make a 6 figure income and have summer homes?

          • Draco

            Exactly. But if they ever do decide to get off their bums and do something about it, there are a whole lot of evangelicals and TV “pastors” who should get the same treatment. And I say go for the whole damn shooting match. They all deserve to be taken down and made to pay their dues.

            • Noesis

              If one is curious about how this sort of thing can happen, there is at least one explanation that might make some sense: The people that should have been “doing something about it” were too busy breaking the law themselves to be bothered with the crimes of Scientology. The disgraceful pardon of Marc Rich (facilitated by Assistant Attorney General Eric Holder in the Bill Clinton administration) is but one example:

              http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/07/02/marc_rich_presidential_pardon_how_eric_holder_facilitated_the_most_unjust.html

              After Eric Holder later became AG of the US, he then successfully managed to avoid prosecuting even one single significant banker for the debacle of the 2007 – 2008 financial meltdown. Then, after leaving office, Holder went right back to work for the same law firm that he came from (Covington & Burling) which specializes in (mostly) defending white collar executives accused of financial crimes, as well as the banking institutions they work for.

              As AG however, Hodler DID mange to prosecute more “leak-related” cases against current or former U.S. government employee whistle blowers than all prior AG’s combined.

              This sort of behavior, which crosses party lines, is becoming endemic in the US and seems to point toward a slow slide into anomie and lawlessness.

    • LongtimeLurker

      *nodding vehemently*

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Preach it!

      ETA: Also, “testicular fortitude” is going in my little black book of choice phrases.

    • iampissed
  • Kestrel

    O/T: Junior is still grounded in Aruba. This time blocked in by the lines from the Carnival Conquest with the Navigator of the Seas also moored. After last night’s episode, it’s clear that it’s not only the Freewinds who is trapped. So is everyone onboard her.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7bcd84abe807758c6bfc3a5b1b5bb3da7b2397e6560ca15d646c3db8f5163aba.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      How did that blue whale get its head stuck in the big ship on the right?

      • Kestrel

        The whale was led to believe they were serving krill steak on the lunch buffet. Imagine it’s disappointment when it realized the offering was grilled steak.

      • 🙂

    • Noesis

      The Freewinds in comparison to those modern cruise ships looks (not surprisingly) like a DC-8 next to a modern Boeing 787.

      That’s not “Ideal” at all – is it?

      This photograph is an excellent metaphor for Scientology – the entire subject is stuck in the past in almost every regard…and no amount of “auditing” (nor any number of evolutions) can bring the subject up to “present time.”

      Lol.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        If $cn was expanding at the rate that lil davey the evil elf keeps blathering about, then the cherch would have long ago been required to trade in the Fleecewinds for a much bigger ship, like those moored next to her in that pic.

        The clearly evident fact that $cilons aren’t shoving each other aside on the gangway to get a place on board the Fleecewind’s next OaTy 8 cruise can only be due to a couple of possible factors: Either there’s been a dramatically reduced number of folks getting onto the bridge to begin with or many folks are falling off of it (or are being pushed!) along the way…or perhaps it’s a combination of both of those factors operating together!

        Meanwhile, rumor has it that lil davey the amateur PR man is planning on offering Oaty 8 burial at sea services for those aging OaTy 8 $cilons who die off while waiting ever so patiently for OaTy 9 & 10 to finally be released…”A sunset cruise for the soon-to-be-departed $cilon who ALMOST had everything!” Naturally, each of the oldster’s last routing form would include a visit to the reg, where a notary will be on hand to witness any, ahem, last minute changes to their wills!

        • “…$cilons aren’t shoving each other aside on the gangway to get a place on board the Fleecewind’s …”
          But they are to get off of it.

    • In 1997 i was at Bahamas and that’s what i saw 🙂 Freewinds are not that big compared to those 2 and it’s dented looking like crap close up. Not at all, like on those fancy posters, hanging around in the orgs.
      It should be unplugged from the bottom like a bathtub.

      • Kestrel

        In two years that rust bucket will be 50 years old. It’s showing its age.

      • iampissed

        Freewinds and scientlogy.
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhxOnWHTBMM

        It has Legos….just saying

        • there is no preparation for this, it’s massive

    • Ella Raitch

      Can you call it a religion when you deliver your highest levels at sea, so people have nowhere to go when they realise it’s all a crazy pile of BS

    • Alice Graves

      Right on!!

    • iampissed

      That’s going to leave a mark

      • we are writing Footbullet-history here :-O

    • LongtimeLurker

      She was asking for that.

      Learn to keep your head down, Kirstie.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Please…step aside, Kirstie, and let the real Troublemaker go to work.

    • Kristen

      From what I know of Kirstie and her Twitter habits, that’s a blockin’.

    • Draco

      Are the “Kirstie Arse Creepers” all watching A&E? Have they abandoned her twat? Er… I mean her twitter feed?

    • Sherbet

      That Tweet is Awefully misspelled.

      • gtsix

        Needs to redo a step or two. Kristie, word clearin is a staple of your cult. Report to ethics bitch.

        • Juicer77

          Can I get you to record that last sentence as my ringtone?? 😉

          • we should make more ringtones. it’s fun

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Sorry honey, you don’t have the balls to be a Troublemaker. #ByeFelicia

  • Harpoona Frittata

    Just finished watching Nora’s excellent and heartfelt video on why you can not be gay and be in $cn. Her description of spending years in the RPF and hundreds of hours doing a specific type of auditing designed to redeem her from being a degraded pervert by reframing the love that she felt for another woman into some sort of horrible crime was chilling and heart-rending. And her concise summary of exactly what Elron had to say on the subject provided the exact “chapter and verse” from the founder himself that makes the cherch’s position on homosexuality crystal clear, despite their protestations to the contrary for PR purposes.

    It’s truly a wonder that anyone can survive that level of intensive mindfuckery and – as Nora has mentioned and Tony has recently documented – young closeted LGBTQ $cilons have indeed attempted/committed suicide.The False Purpose Rundown auditing action that Nora described should be classed as a crime under the same statute that now outlaws the practice of other types of “conversion therapy,” which are not only ineffective, but essentially harmful practices. When utilized within the context of the Sea Org’s thought reform gulag – where physical duress, sleep deprivation, social isolation, etc. are also routine practices – auditing becomes an instrument of mental/spiritual enslavement, which is the exact opposite of what its ostensible purpose is.

    • ze moo

      That is another tort-able offense that someone should go for.

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    The following is just my opinion and gut feeling regarding LRON Hubbard and his unmitigated hatred towards and persecution of the LGBT community that has unfortunately persisted in the CoS after his death.

    Have you ever noticed how many times we have seen evangelicals or TV preachers ranting on about homosexuality, blaming all of the ills of the world and society on them, THEN it inevitably comes to light that these men are having sex with other men or even worse, with children? Or what about the politicians who rant on ad nauseum about family values at top volume but then we find out that they are visiting prostitutes or have mistresses?

    I have long believed that Hubbard’s obsession with the LGBT community may have had to do with some tendency towards homosexuality or some homosexual experience/s that he may have had himself and was freaked out about, therefore he went about eradicating and humiliating these tendencies in others. People often attack what they are most afraid of in themselves.

    • Noesis

      There has been speculation along these lines for some time.

      To dive into that speculation, simultaneously search the terms Leon Brown + L. Ron Hubbard + Scientology…some of the wildest stuff is found at WWP (not surprisingly.)

      And this link too: http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1913

      And of course this: http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/10/about-that-threesome-with-l-ron-hubbard-and-the-heinleins/

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Thanks for the links and info. 🙂

      • Princess Squishy

        we discussed it downthread too, with the same examples, political people and pastors etc

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          You did? I missed that, but then again that’s a lot of comments to wade through when one is behind on one’s christmas shopping, and I mean REALLY REALLY behind.

          • Princess Squishy

            Yeah it’s really difficult to read all the comments. We didn’t link anything like Noesis did but it was discussed. It’s bound to happen with a commenting community so active

    • ze moo

      So much of Lron’s credo is based on projection. You could be right.

    • gtsix

      Oh hell no. He stays on your team. You’re not dumping that fucker on us, we’ve got enough to deal with already!

      • Sherbet

        Our team doesn’t want him either. Is there another choice?

        • Draco

          Calm down everyone … he’s working his way through his negative ot levels
          He’s far too busy to play on anyone’s team up here f5
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dfeac3fd05af5d82fba44a94f61d7b1d45d690710a9264325b38c6cee8f68e5.jpg

          • Sherbet

            Hell is too good for him.

            • beauty for ashes

              He can work permanent Christmas retail in Hell then! hmm Walmart cashier?

            • Sherbet

              And the tape keeps running out of his register, and the plastic bags rip.

            • beauty for ashes

              Computer errors galore! Really Loud Christmas music on a loop.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Laugh !!

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Nope…….I think a 130 year old permanent greeter at Walmart would be rather more hellish than being a cashier because he won’t be able to steal from the till.

            • beauty for ashes

              Kay?…..*snickers*… How’d you get to be “nasty lady”? SMDH!!! you are like the nicest!

      • Frodis73

        lmao!

      • Juicer77

        Lol!!!

    • sizzle8

      There’s some evidence that he and Robert Heinlein had a fling. He had one with Heinlein’s wife too.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        And regardless of whether or not he and Jack Parsons ever got around to doing the wild thing together, there was plenty of other kinds of sexual perversity going on with that pair for him to qualify as 1.1 under his own definition…moon child my arse, ya pervy wankers!

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          I never thought of that even though I knew about Jack Parsons. Makes sense.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Wow

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • and another http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/5-things-we-learned-from-scientology-the-aftermath-ep-3-w455929

      (btw, did you know that Rolling Stone currently ranks higher than Breitbart on the list of popular websites?)

      A spokesperson from the Church of Scientology was contacted about this article and responded with the statement below:
      “Leah Remini is doing this for the money … ”

      i doubt she’s profiting, and even if she is, so? you know who else is “doing (something) for the money?” one guess.

      • “(btw, did you know that Rolling Stone’s website ranks higher than Breitbart on the list of popular sites?)”
        That is good to know.
        And it is good to remember that although we let Rump happen, morons are in the minority.
        Never ever let morons run your life.

        • if you ever need about 1000 quick upvotes, just head over there and type the stupidest thing you can think of supporting whatever the article is about

          • I’ve got a comment ready that would do the trick.
            “Yeah!”

            • might need to skew it to the right a bit, i can barely make out the underlying white nationalist/sexist-xenophobic-superiority complex-thing they’re into
              ;P

            • OK:
              “Oh hale yeah!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I’d say that it’s pretty much the height of hypocrisy for the most money-grubbing and criminal cherch on the planet to be complaining about anyone making money!

        I’m glad Leah’s series is doing well for A&E. That way, more shows like hers are likely to air! Although I’m sure she’s not making a fortune off this production, I hope she does well with it too. With it, she can fight the cult in court if it ever comes to that! And living well outside of $cn is pretty much the best revenge.

        • i liked the nod she gave to her production crew last night. toward the end, Mike driving (i think), she turned to the back seat and said something acknowledging that (paraphrasing from memory) everybody involved is putting their lives on the line by exposing the truth.

  • beauty for ashes

    Just want to say, I feel, so gutted by Nora’s honesty. I feel like I have a clarity and understanding I never had before, and I just have so much empathy for what she went through that I want to make sure that I can do what I can to make sure this is seen, and also promoted. So~
    ~ Watch this on Youtube, like it, and subscribe to her channel. This will help promote her video.
    ~Share it on Facebook. If you are like me you might not be the most popular contributor to Facebook and it might not even be noticed, but one never knows.
    ~Buy Raging Buddha merch. 😉 If there isn’t any there should be. I’m kind of obsessed with Nora’s glasses!
    I’m sure people have made this post before, but reminders are always helpful at the top of the page:)

    • Thank you for your kind words. There is no merch right now but that is a fantastic idea! The Glasses are Michael Kors by the way.

      • iampissed

        I would suggest one of those clown punching bags, that pop right back up.
        With you know who’s face on it. I could use one today.

        • OOkpik

          It could be life-sized and still not take up much space.
          A COB voodoo doll would be great too.

          • iampissed

            NOLA can you look into that.

      • beauty for ashes

        Of course they are! I see the glasses on a white tee, and then nora crest printed along side the right frame. I have been watching a lot of old movies on TCM, especially 50’s movies with the very graphic titles. All the ladies also had very chic glasses like yours. Don’t worry I won’t go talking about the furs and tiny waists though! Those are just cruel!

        • That would be pretty sweet! PS TCM is big in our house as well.

  • chukicita

    OT, but I think there will be a traffic advisory issued for Tampa Bay region as Scientologists pour into this event at Tampa Ideal Org. What could be more festive than hearing L Ron Christmas stories?!

    The event invite targeted 45 people, as per today’s numbers (snip was taken yesterday); as of a few minutes ago, 5 showed interest, and 4 are going. I think several are staff members.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b7ec195303a96afccbe0cd38a4c2c53f153cc29daaeba784ffdc9b3646b66dd9.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b9634e28ea3e1ca24807557faf52cbf8816f17c69d79dceab719a6832a7ba1ae.jpg

    • Draco

      “The event invite targeted 45 people” – all their public members then…

      • Rasha

        …and they know what’s coming….. Never mind the “Christmas cookies and drinks”, which I’m sure will be oh, so delish, but seeing that they targeted fewer than 50 people and STILL have limited seating, I’m guessing it will be a small room, with one guarded – possibly locked – door, and a festively-bedecked registrar…. Good times. I’ll be home tending a nice fire and a nice drink.

        • maybe they still do a collection for his x-mas gifts? who knows!

    • TheLurkingHorror

      They put the wrong picture there. I like Observer’s better.

      (sorry, I don’t have the picture on hand)

    • what was it like? srsly? these people spend every nanosecond of every day getting their brains scrambled on contradictory Rondiculous word salads … they already know exactly what it was like. but maybe with a Santa hat and more yelling about how that Jesus queer* isn’t even real.

      *topical edit/insert, does not necessarily represent my personal view

    • beauty for ashes

      LOL, has anyone else read “Holidays on Ice” by David Sedaris? I love his story about being a Macy’s Christmas elf, which is the least festive Christmas story. I also saw it done as a one man show. I forget what it the specific short story is called though .

    • Harpoona Frittata

      What was it like, Mr. Allcock? Kind of like Festivus, but where only Elron gets to recite his grievances against all those assembled? Perhaps they engaged in a spirited round of musical overboardings, just to make sure that everyone learns that “ethics” can be capricious and arbitrary in a way that will last throughout the year. Maybe we’ll also learn that the Sea Orgy tradition of everyone pitching in to buy shortarse some sort of very expensive toy started with Elron?

      What fun!

      • Juicer77

        ^^^

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Maybe the clams know that there will only be cookies if you can get to them before Wick the klepto does.

    • kemist

      Lmao…

      My quiet little christmas party will have about 3 times that many people.

      • chukicita

        Yes. And this is from an org desperately trying to attain double St Hill size because of all the people staying away in droves.

  • Draco

    I’m off to bed xoxo
    Don’t forget to click the heart!

    • gtsix

      Night dragon.

    • iampissed

      Night

    • beauty for ashes

      night night <3

    • Rasha

      RAWR!!!

    • Juicer77

      Sweet dreams.

  • ze moo

    The US 60 Minutes takes on $cientology, in the past.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRDcS5K2sJM&feature=youtu.be

    Note David Gaiman in the interviews. Leslie Stahl and Mike Wallace kicked some but in their day!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Great footage of beautiful Paulette!

  • GrangerFX

    One side effect of the CoS not letting its members browse the internet: They have no idea what effect their own web sites have on the few people that visit them. In fact if someone was to read their anti-Aftermath blog having just watched the latest episode, they would find that the CoS had confirmed much of what they had been accused of. They would see people who were manipulated to say what the cult wanted them to say. They would see massive holes in the cult’s arguments. They would see no comment section or any way to ask questions. They would wonder why the people they put on their site are not available for interviews to answer some of the obvious questions they raised? The internet has created a world full of people capable of forming their own opinions and the CoS is fooling none of them.

  • Noesis

    Scientology Celebrity Cage Match – Travolta versus Remini !

    Not sure if this has already been posted – a new edition of CELEBRITY magazine has been issued by CC INT and not surprisingly it features a cover and 14 (fourteen) page article about the career and legacy (lol) of John Travolta. (See pic below.)

    It cannot be a coincidence that this magazine has come out just as the Leah Remini TV series has once again brought the abuses of Scientology to a huge public audience.

    Naturally the church is trying to counter with one of the few remaining Scientology celebrities and is “filling the vacuum” created by Remini’s entheta with the “truth” about Scientology from Travolta.

    Lol.

    It would not be surprising that this edition of the magazine, which has fairly high production values, is distributed far and wide around Hollywood and anywhere else the church thinks that it could now use a little positive PR.

    It’s amazing what a billion dollars or so in free cash allows an organization to try and buy. But buying goodwill for Scientology from the general public is going to take a lot more than a puff piece in an internally produced magazine.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7fd42168a607c445f1c00b910cd2d2e76c82cdae6d64bf8bd94830820c567df2.jpg

    • OOkpik

      Freedom Magazine Suggs!

      • Noesis

        It kinda has that odor.

    • like, whoa. i’d be surprised if the official John Travolta Magazine has 14 pages about his career and legacy.

      Vinny Barbarino, Grease, some disco stuff, a talking baby (hi Kirstie!), Pulp Fiction, telekinesis, an angel, Face/Off, Battlefield Earth, fake bikers, unfortunate and preventable loss of son, shoe polish hairdo. the end.

    • chukicita

      Travolta was in a couple of films in 2016 that flew pretty much under everyone’s radar, and that Gotti ordeal he’s in is in post-production now.

      Why do they keep trotting out this tired old horse?

      • Noesis

        He’s what’s left.

        Gotta flog the horse until it can’t work anymore at all.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Because they only have a few ponies left in the stable.
        And old tired ones at that. Like Krusty. The younger ones are high class celebs like Joy, Chinworm and Caca Ka.

        • chukicita

          “Caca Ka” XD

  • Kim O’Brien

    OT – Hipster office assistant face plant of the day

    He was asked by his boss if he had ordered the x-mas cards for the clients so we can send them out this week . He said yes ., he finally got around to it . She asked ” when are they going to be here ? ”

    he neglected to look at the arrival date . Dec. 25th . Since …ya know ..he just ordered them today

    • Kestrel

      Here’s hoping he got a really good price on those.

      • Kim O’Brien

        if we want to get them here in time …it will cost $237.00 . More than the order itself ..LOL

        • Poor lil hipster.

        • Juicer77

          SMH

    • iampissed

      Dear lord!

    • iampissed

      Young, Dumb and full of himself

    • itsIBBy

      sounds like one of my teammates. I call him Dory because his memory is like swiss cheese. It’s been almost a year and he’s still not performing very well

    • ask him if it’s ok that you buy him a tombstone with a date and everything, for x-mas

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Last year, my company’s S&M dept came up with a beautiful Christmas card that had a trinket on it that made the enveloppe thickness ineligible for standard postage and ranked as small parcel.

      We have a lot of European clients.

  • RK

    What Nora Crest describes is conversion therapy or reparative therapy and illegal for treatment of minors in California.
    (http://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy) That Scientology engages in this is something that should be known far and wide.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    CO$ protester Deb Maxwell & crew at FLAG today…
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Out here in the heart of the cult. Bringing living water not kool-aid. #ExposingTheDeedsOfDarkness”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8fd1138b4a349657a7796b93e35400085f6a1b125fe193883c2cdb7fb09d222f.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/712f82ef8c48805acfc12b923d0e2723ade266f25b281497c5555c8f53a68190.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “The enemy will keep you in bondage sir”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f6de4a442870269181465cfd562e82a12cfc184a28a68c8a05f2191ce5f2528.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “…Dick proclaiming the truth at scientology”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a2cd6c53cd32c568c9052502a4619600f3862a7c14d9f520ce22037704e3f282.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Police magnet Matthew at scientology”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e5c328599f68b45f798646dc6288cec66dda67b273a4650b5881d24f7407010.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Scott once again talks himself out of jail at scientology”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba22fb94346ad75475fc50fe6155adb3c67a6e048ca5fc5548626cc6b085eca5.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Because Matthew’s sign touched scientology’s cement more than 4 squad cars showed up.”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a69f5d0a995f2280dedb51d594d53c6cb983e9d70dbb146b9f9411097eba9de9.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Scientology’s school bus.”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/905a910110779bbbd2f119cb39495b1fdfa2e61d472d6a4b84715332584a8213.png
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Meet Sarah Heller. Born into scientology and works in the Office Of Special Affairs at the super power building. She works for a law firm that represents the cult.”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57357e7a54b0edc36e2b3c6e27b2b5d493664192c1c783e8659121adeb1b4cde.png

    • itsIBBy

      Sarah Heller looks like shes super fun to hang out with 😐

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It looks like her legs are bruised.

        • itsIBBy

          i noticed that too. I hope shes just clumsy and its not from her side job in the RPF

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It’s from where DM punched her.

          • Sherbet

            It’s from where DM bumped his head into her.

      • Sherbet

        Join scientology! You, too, can have a smug, bitchy face like this. Thousand-yard stare sold separately.

      • daisy

        LOL

    • Baby

      Heller is the one who called the dogs out at Flag Down. Bitch.

    • PickAnotherID

      So that’s where the unemployed East Berlin ‘Wall Guards’ went after the fall. She’s out of uniform though.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thanks for taking the time for the captions IW.

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      BT’s and talking to them never mentioned once. How is this possible? Was it mentioned in the show? Xenu at least?

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Did you watch it?

        • flyonthewall

          No, I don’t have cable and have to wait for it to be avail online

          • Eivol Ekdal

            What a crying shame!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Lol 😉

            • flyonthewall

              you be quiet!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              *Buzzz buzzzz buzzzzz*

              *SWAT*

              *silence*

            • flyonthewall

              thank you sir

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Better?

            • flyonthewall

              much. I do hope that the BT’s and exorcism come up eventually though.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              The cops can’t arrest Xenu or BTs.
              Jus’ sayin’

        • flyonthewall

          that’s why I’m asking. From what I gather from this article though it sounds like they skipped over BT’s and self exorcism when talking about the OT levels which to me is very wrong

  • flyonthewall

    Did Leah go into BT’s and the OT levels what with the talking to dead drug addict alien souls etc? Cuz if not, she needs to

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Didn’t South Park already do that?

      • flyonthewall

        they did Xenu but they didn’t do the auditing BT’s where you are basically doing self-exorcism.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It’s been so long since I saw it, I don’t remember all that much.

          I think she’s focusing more on the personal tragedies, rather than the wild and wacky part of it.

          • flyonthewall

            Fuck man, if you’re going to be talking about OT levels and getting super powers then you need to be telling people you’re paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to exorcise dead alien souls from yourself. I mean, they go into engrams, reactive mind and what it takes to be Clear then they’re just NOT going to tell you about what you actually do on the OT levels? That’s relevant. Are they afraid of being sued or what? I don’t understand why that part is not mentioned and now I’m getting all agitated

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You need to go into session to blow some charge, man. You are slipping down the tone scale at incredible speed. Get your TR’s in, and then come back so we can comm like normal, sane thetans.

            • flyonthewall
            • EmmaDaoust

              Here, fly, this might make you feel better:
              http://www.legomug.com
              Note: Not officially licensed by lego. Also it’s a ‘startup’ so could be a scam. But it might make you feel better.

            • flyonthewall

              These are not official Lego bricks, now I’m really mad. J/k 😉 Thnx, that’s funny

            • EmmaDaoust

              The mug isn’t official, but you can put official Lego bricks on it, so, there’s that…

            • beauty for ashes

              fly~ I literally met a woman who almost spontaneously combusted! She had a really cute service dog, and I almost smooshed him. Long story short, I ask her a couple questions, then she tells me all these stories,and then she tells me about sparks coming out of her fingertips. Crazy!

            • flyonthewall

              O.O

            • beauty for ashes

              I over simplified that story and it backfired huh? I suppose someone spontaneously combusting needs a looooong backstory? **scratches head***

            • flyonthewall

              Seriously though, there’s something wrong if they’re not mentioning self-exorcism at all, that’s a glaring omission

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              We still got 5 episodes to go – who knows what we’ll get to see. She showed off the tons of books she had to buy, and you could see her trophy. You have to let the crazy out in small portions.

            • flyonthewall

              well I hope so

            • Baby

              That’s the scene man

            • flyonthewall

              what scene? She did talk about it?

            • Baby

              No that’s how Scientology talks fly.. they use the word scene.

            • flyonthewall

              gotchya

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Have a Snickers

          • daisy

            Once Born has all the episodes involving scientology over at his site , if you wanted a review.

          • flyonthewall

            and what do you mean, been so long? It was like 2 days ago! You’re a pot head

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I meant the South Park episode 😐

            • flyonthewall

              oh right, duh. I’m such a pot head

            • Frodis73

              Fly, did you see the Trump Lego xmas little movie on twitter??

            • flyonthewall

              This one? I have now, hilarious

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQT78quNUss

            • Frodis73

              Yep, that is the one. I meant to tweet it to you and I forgot. Bad Frodis.

    • OOkpik

      She has her focus on the abuses, not the “theology”. She’ll have no shortage of material there.

      • flyonthewall

        Oh really? So why then go into details on what going Clear is and engrams, reactive mind etc?

        • April

          I’m just guessing here, but I think it was to give some background to Mary’s story where she talks about having to continuously re-do steps on the bridge. Without understanding the time and cost involved with it and the sec checks, the audience may not fully understand how Mary became so disaffected with the CO$. Again, just my guess.

          • flyonthewall

            I just got done watching it and I get that they needed time for Mary’s story, which was amazing, I do. I still think with some tightening on the first half, with the explanation of the Bridge, it could have been squeezed in. I hope it is later at some point.

            I can’t be disappointed with the show after hearing Mary’s story and how emotional things got, I just can’t.

            • Ella Raitch

              5 episodes to go….

            • flyonthewall

              it kinda feels like the moment for it would of been this episode. They’re moving on to Miscavige and his abuses next. I mean, if they’re going to pierce the corp veil and talk about how the board is fake and Miscavige runs everything then they should totally do that. Talk about things they can be prosecuted for by all means. I just think it’s a shame the exorcism stuff didn’t come up bc to me it’s relevant.

            • Rasha

              I gotcha. But it’s the slow knife that pierces the shield. I think what Leah is doing is making clear the damage caused by the most outward policies… here are the results of the poisonous fruits…. before looking at the twisted roots and imaginings of what can only be termed a “Brainfuck Nutjob Deathbean Slurry of Coercion”, which was Hubbard’s brain.

              “This nut is poison… here’s what it does….. Now, let’s look at why…”

            • flyonthewall
            • Rasha

              *slowly pulls out Gom Burgar*

              …so…. You are ‘ready”, are you?

            • April

              Leah has said repeatedly that she’s not attacking the beliefs, just the abusive practices. Although, I guess convincing people that they’re infested with disembodied space aliens and that they cause problems for you, then charge astronomical amounts of money to “remove” the these imaginary disembodied space aliens could be considered abusive.

            • flyonthewall

              “Although, I guess convincing people that they’re infested with disembodied space aliens and that they cause problems for you, then charge astronomical amounts of money to “remove” them could be considered abusive.” Yes! Thank you!

            • April

              But is it any worse than evangelical christians saying we’re all sinners and evil (essentially, “degraded beings,” to use CO$ lingo), and that only christ can save us? This is convincing people that they’re something wrong with you just so they can sell you the cure. Admittedly, current mainstream christian practices are nowhere near as abusive as the CO$, but it’s still the same principle.

            • flyonthewall

              I think it is worse, yes. Bc, the Christians don’t keep their beliefs secret and make you pay to learn them. The gist of the OT levels, BT’s and self-exorcism, need to be exposed to this huge audience Leah has if for no other reason than CoS wants it kept secret.

        • OOkpik

          Did I just step in something?

          • flyonthewall

            ? No, just asking a question

            • Rasha

              Hold on, lemme watch it….

      • ze moo

        I too would like to see some discussion of the ‘theology’ of $cientology. But there is so much more material on the abuses.

        $cientology isn’t just a flying saucer cult. It is a mind bending, family stealing, coerced, financial disaster causing flying saucer cult.

        I would love to see part of a program that goes into engrams and past lives and the 4th and 5th invader force. But why paint $cientology as just a nutjob ‘religion’. It’s the abuses and crimes that should be our real focus.

        The flying saucer stuff is just lutz on the cake.

        • flyonthewall

          you wouldn’t have to go into 4th and 5th invader forces etc though, that would be too much, yes. But self-exorcism and the BT’s is not too much and is totally relevant.

          • ze moo

            I really want to see the clam engram explained. But that’s just me. I find that one and the obscene dog so funny!

        • OOkpik

          I might as well try to stuff my other foot in my mouth too…

          If she were to start discussing Xenu and BTs, it would diminish the whole message of how Scientology is destroying lives.

          So far, she has only given enough information on the “tech” to provide a canvas for the stories being highlighted. I doubt that she has any interest in inviting ridicule over bizarre upper level materials or what people choose to believe. I admire her for that.

          There will be plenty of cake on the side for anyone who is feeling a little peckish. XD

      • iampissed

        She has no shortage on both sides.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I agree, if only to mention that the cherch’s fundamental tenets of belief (e.g., Lord Xenu; we’re all possessed by scads of dead space alien spirits) are not mentioned or allowed to be discussed when you first start up the bridge. If they did, newbies would be flying out the doors faster than a Marcabian spaceship.

      The shorthand on that one is, “Hey, btw, did you see that hilarious South Park episode on the cult, err, religion? Great! They really weren’t make that shit up; $cilonds really do believe in Xenu and space aliens!”

    • iampissed

      I feel that the thing here is that if they go to far down the rabbit hole it will make it easy
      for people to just say it’s crazy and just dismiss it out of hand. If they show the human
      side, broken families etc they may very well want more info and maybe buy a few books
      and there a plenty of them that give that sort of cray cray info. IMHO

      • flyonthewall

        I know what you’re saying but Going Clear went into it and people didn’t lose interest. Also, if CoS wants to keep it secret so bad then fuck them and yell it loud as you can, I say.

        • iampissed

          It would be interesting to see if Going Clear is ticking up after Leah’s show.
          I respect and understand your opinions.

  • itsIBBy

    OT, but I had to share because I’m bubbling over with excitement.

    One of my new yrs resolutions was to be more giving with time, money, myself, etc. Really concentrate on putting good out in to the world. I’ve started early with some donations to Unicef and some animal rescues, but this is the most fun one yet.

    A friend of mine is a family services representative, helping families transition from homelessness to getting a roof over their heads, and Christmas is the last thing on their minds, so I volunteered to adopt a family! It doesnt have to be a big production, I do ok, but I’m not rich by ANY measure, but I cant wait to go to the store and find some gifts for this family!

    • chukicita

      Good on ya! 😀

      • itsIBBy

        thanks! 🙂

    • Baby

      And that is what Compassion and humanitarian efforts look like.. xo thank you IBBY
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e830083b55b8af50ba38d97f4d471a84f23b39deed28bddb0a4d1cbb017dafdd.gif

      • itsIBBy

        xox thanks! I’m so excited. I’m not so good at finding gifts for boys, but I’m already on point for the girls

        • iampissed

          Just make sure it blows up…then the boys are covered.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Depending on their age and your budget I could suggest if you really get stuck (ran a comic book / hobby store, still keep up with stuff).

          • itsIBBy

            ended up with some Marvel stuff for the middle boys. I’m a huge Captain America and Batman nerd so I just tapped in to what I know

            ETA: Yes I know Batman is DC. lol

            • LongtimeLurker

              I knew you knew that.

              Good job, sounds like safe bets!

    • Kim O’Brien

      we did that last year …it was awesome

      • Baby

        Wait? You smoke pot and cuss like a sailor.. and you are an SP Wog.. Low on the tone scale..

        How could you possibly be nice.. ? ( xo)

        • Kim O’Brien

          i punched them in the face when i delivered the dinner and the gifts . Obviously 😉

          • Baby

            OK now THAT makes sense..

            Love you Ms Kim O’Brien

            • Kim O’Brien

              right back at cha hot stuff

            • Baby

              bawwwwwhahahha I’m so hot I’m cold..xo

          • iampissed

            And you wonder why you get a Rep….but your my kind of lady.

          • iampissed

            Hey can’t be out exchange right?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            LOL SNORT!

          • Juicer77

            XD

        • lol

    • LongtimeLurker

      Wow.

      You…I …

      Good work.

      • itsIBBy

        aw shucks *kicks some rocks around*

  • Very moving video Nora.

    • Baby

      Merry Christmas G and E .. ( I’m not politically correct) xo baby

      • Merry Christmas to you! 🙂

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T, but weird…Got three strange calls today from 727-461-xxxx numbers. No one said anything when I answered, but it wasn’t a dead line, because you could hear background noise. I’m pretty sure who it was, because on the second call I heard someone in the background yell, “Get that to FSO NOW!”

    I’m a ‘never-in’, so no idea why they called. If the idea was intimidation, they get a ‘FLUNK’. If it was a recruiter, “FLUNK’ again. It was just weird.

    • iampissed

      I will be interested in what the comments are on this.

      • PickAnotherID

        Maybe it was a robo-caller, or something. Just kind of strange to happen out of the blue like that though.

    • ze moo

      Probably just some WISE run call center trying to sell you timeshares or ‘cheap’ electricity.

      • PickAnotherID

        Timeshare I could sorta see. But it’s kinda hard to sell a timeshare if you don’t say anything. But how’s someone in Florida going to sell me ‘cheap’ electricity in North Carolina?

        • Rasha

          I got around that by buying my own solar panels.

          “Hi! I’d like to talk to you about cheap electricity”
          “No thanks”
          “Would you like to save on your electric bill?”
          “Nope”
          “We can help you save at least 20% on your elec-”
          “No, you can’t”
          “Can I ask how much you pay for electri-”
          “Nope”
          “….Let me tell you ab–”
          “Nope”

        • grundoon

          “how’s someone in Florida going to sell me ‘cheap’ electricity in North Carolina?”

          Step 1: Take your money.
          Step 2: Deliver electricity to you in NC.

          Step 1: Easy, generates income, satisfying for them.
          Step 2: Difficult, dissipates their income, does nothing for them.

          This is a puzzle that a clever Scienologist could solve.

    • Rasha

      I get calls from many different area codes, and ignore them, then block them. The one time I did answer this week, I swear it was a real person, and, foolishly being polite, I “umm” and “uhhhh, hi” to try to interrupt, figuring this was just a persistent sales caller who learned not to let you get a word in edgeways, and finally said, “No, I’m really not interested…” (slight rustling sound) ‘Oh, I’m sorry, had a bit of a problem with my headset… This is exciting! Let me just ask a few questions before handing you over to a representative..”

      It was really impressive. The sound quality and seamless voice menu system was very convincing, and I’ve heard some of the best. To verify it was, as I soon suspected, a bot, I resorted to “Hello? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Hello?” before it was obvious and I hung up.

      If I ever feel adventurous with a call from an unknown number/area code, I’ll not say anything, let the caller go on, then keep saying, “I love you” over and over.

      Point being, they really are working on the social engineering aspect, and I would not put it past them to include background sounds and voices to enhance the “experience”. There’s big money to be made fooling people….. hey….. wait a sec………

      • beauty for ashes

        I’d like to hear how that “I love you” call goes.
        For some reason I think it’s funny to keep calling them Jerry too.

        • Rasha

          LOL!!! Love that!

  • noseinabk

    Ot post from Reddit:

    I talked to the Captain of the Freewinds yesterday. (self.scientology)
    submitted 7 hours ago * by DrQuaalude

    Yesterday I got a call at work from “International Shipping Partners” interested in a product that I sell. As soon as he mentioned he was the Capt. of the ‘Freewinds’ I couldn’t resist chatting a bit. He was a super nice guy with a Spanish accent. I asked about his thoughts of the recent media attention on the Church (Leah Remini) and he said “it’s pretty obvious that she has something to gain from all of this”. He said that the ship was currently docked in the Lesser Antilles, and the weather was beautiful. Just a quick business chat, but thought it was interesting.
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    [–]noonenone 7 points 5 hours ago
    “it’s pretty obvious that she has something to gain from all of this”
    And it’s pretty obvious he might have something to lose if he praised her.

    [–]Eranou287 3 points 6 hours ago
    I wonder how seaworthy can the Freewinds still be, seeing as it was launched in 1968

    [–]DrQuaalude[S] 3 points 6 hours ago*
    Great question. It must be in pretty good shape for them to want to invest in the expensive product I sell.

    [–]devonperson 2 points 4 hours ago
    I bet their product costs more.

    [–]the_chromosopher 1 point 5 hours ago
    They’ve got the money to keep it pristine.

    [–]devonperson 3 points 5 hours ago
    Wow! Someone selling something TO Scientologists instead of the other way round!

    [–]smakusdod 1 point 4 hours ago
    “It’s a fleabag!” – One of my favorite Jason Beghe quotes.

    • grundoon

      Mike Napier needs quaaludes?

      • noseinabk

        Can you blame him?
        Sorry I outed you Captain.

        *not sorry*

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        And does he have a spanish accent? It might have been the “port captain” which is another job entirely.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      That “it’s pretty obvious that she has something to gain from all of this” comment seems to be the official thought-stopper that everyone in the cult is supposed spout whenever asked by anyone about the series.

      It’s the typical kind of unsupported assertion that $cilons are all expected to not just repeat on cue, but to internalize and tell themselves as well, as if it were true just because someone asserted it. $cilons are so conditioned to being lead around by the nose that the fact it’s occurring again doesn’t strike them as odd or raise any kind of red flag for them at all.

      Even if it were true that Leah had something large to gain from doing the series, it doesn’t logically follow that the folks featured in her series are liars or distorting the facts. The objective reality of their experience in $cn is not changed at all, regardless of what Leah might gain or lose from it personally. It’s an attempted deflection away from the subject under discussion and $cilons who try to use it on others first had it used successfully on them.

      If a person became aware of systematic child abuse at your child’s daycare center and informed you of it, but the daycare owner’s response to your concerns about what you’d heard was to accuse the person who exposed the abuse of having some sort of special interest or making some sort of personal gain from doing it, you wouldn’t just spout that nonsense to other parents, you’d find out more about the alleged abuse yourself. It doesn’t really matter what the whistle blower might gain from making accusations of abuse; it only matters if they are true or not.

      The fact that brainwashed $cilons don’t see through that sort of thing immediately is bad enough, but for them to just mindlessly pass it along as if it was a logical and appropriate response to the very serious allegations being made by individuals featured in Leah’s series is prima facie evidence that they’ve lost some of their crucially important critical reasoning ability.

      • noseinabk

        In a perfect world people who see or hear about abuse actually do somthing about it.
        I enjoyed Leah’s book from the perspective of a female growing up during the same time. I was however disappointed at the glossing over of the abuses she knew about as she grew up in it and how she ignored them as an adult who became wealthy and was part of the special treatment by the same SO members she would have been if not for fame.
        Now I know that she didn’t fully see COS and it’s abuse for what they are.
        Dumbshit Dave poked a genuine Momma bear with a stick and is reaping his rewards.
        As you said the person reporting abuse is always subject to scrutiny. She may be getting attention for this show but she is also taking a risk in her career.
        I couldn’t have more respect and admiration for her.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I haven’t read her book yet, and I’ve never followed celeb/pop culture very closely, so I really had no idea who Leah was either inside of $cn or as a Hollywood celeb until she escaped the cult along with her family.

          I tend to look at folks like Mike, Leah and Amy who were raised in the cult as children as something of a special class of individuals who never really had a choice about whether or not to become $cilons. It was a given for them and they were indoctrinated into it before they had a chance to make a choice out of their own free will. Even the Amish, another very high-demand religious sect , have the Rumspringa tradition through which 16 year olds are given an opportunity to go out into the world and decide for themselves whether or not they wish to choose to be part of the Amish faith. $cn has the exact opposite tradition in which 15 and 16 year olds are heavily recruited to join the Sea Org.

          I have a lot of respect for anyone who not only escape the cult, but use their own inside knowledge of it to help other to do the same. I have the feeling that their efforts will not only serve to encourage others to step forward and tell their own stories, but also inoculate young folks from joining in the first place.

          • noseinabk

            I do feel differently about those who get in at a young age and people like our own Tilse, Techi, DoDo, Tori among many others who come to see the truth.

            However, if you all start praising people like Marty, who is an ass without scientolgy, or Tom Cruise if he turns against COS without admitting his contributions ? That will be the day I withdrawal my support and delete my account.
            Edited: because stupid

    • Graham

      “it’s pretty obvious that she has something to gain from all of this”. Yes she has: a clear conscience and the satisfaction from knowing she’s done her best to expose corruption and abuse. Is that so hard to understand [Oh yes. I forgot; you’re a Scientologist].

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • TheMirrorThetan

    My uncle came out when he moved in with his boyfriend in 1985, and it pisses me off that here we are 30 yrs later and people still think it is a choice and that there is something wrong with being gay. Humans are so fucken dumb sometimes.
    To be fair, the fact he was a hairdresser should have been a big hint to us.LOL.

  • Special Message to DSA/OSA/RTC.

    What do you call an organization that writes ~ $400 check and love bombs/pushes all the right buttons onto an elderly, sickly woman, just out of the hospital, who barely speaks English, to get her to rejoin staff, to resign a contract and next day letting her know they will get her $40,000 credit line with Chase Bank so she can “go Clear”? While she has ~$10 in her checking account, no job and just applied for a low income apartment?

    Yeah, pretty low. Some “Church”.

    She called me (and a few other “SP” friends) at least 7 times today, before I even woke up, asking for help and freaking out after a sleepless night.

    So, to make it super clear – she doesn’t want your money, your “help” and especially $40,000 credit line to “go Clear” that she will never be able to pay back.

    She did miss the community, but it’s not worth it.

    Back The Fuck Off. You’ve been warned.

    • Rasha

      I’m afraid they will get worse in the days of implosion. The only bright side is that the collapse is quickening…..

      • Yeah, desperate times call for desperate measures on the display.

        • Rasha

          There are so many voices now. Leah is amazing, and so are Tony, Amy, Mike, Chris… One tree root can spread and split a boulder into dust.

      • iampissed

        I pray from your lips to whatever is good.

        • Rasha

          Honestly, I feel they are moving fast…

          • iampissed

            Thanks Rasha and I promise to not bring the quacamole if you leave the chicken feet at home.

            • Rasha

              ^_^ Deal. (Though you can have all the guac you want – but I get the seaweed salad)

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Haven’t we learned that as long as they have the whales the rest is just fools fodder? Could it be that some of these large IAS donators are plants to encourage more money out of a select few? I’d never heard prior that $cioCorp used plants to up the bidding during donation parties until last night. I’ve heard of that old trick used in car auctions but never as they say” it just gets worse” the more you know. Frauds!

        • Rasha

          Yes, but the law of diminishing returns, however long it takes, will, I personally think, will prevail. The recent upsurge in awareness will help that along….

        • abdaman

          I was also struck by that! How….douchey

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’m sorry but I’m confused Dodo. Has she finally figured it out? Isn’t it out ethics to solicit money from Sp’s?

      • She was never declared. Just left staff.
        Oh and they already got a few grands she actually had in the past.

        • Sherbet

          They dangled $400 at her just to get her to commit to spending 100 X that amount? Despicable.

          • And love bombing the vulnerable.

            • Sherbet

              I hope she can hold fast and not succumb to the seduction.

          • iampissed

            I’d take the 400 and say FO sue me.

            • Sherbet

              You may be tougher than this lady is at the moment.

            • One of my friends half-jokingly said something similar to her today, which made her laugh, which is good. But I advised against it.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Did you get a chance to enlighten her?

          • Yes. But she already figured out a lot by herself, she just missed the sense of community.

            She needs real church where she can enjoy cooking for people, human interaction without credit lines and all.

            • Sherbet

              You’re a good friend to watch out for her.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Truly thanks Dodo it is truly heroic when I hear of people doing this. Bet it would have been just easy to hang up the phone and “disconnect” the call. If you don’t mind me asking have you and your family been harassed by the church after your departure? At one point I enjoyed hearing about you leaving from your son’s perspective, yet I thought you’d posted a link to your own story on another sight like ESMB?
              Edited.

            • Not that I know of. I am a small fish. Yes, I posted my story on ESMB.
              I am no saint. Freedom Mag not worthy though apparently.

            • Juicer77

              ^^^

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Uuuuugh. That’s so awful. I hope she’s feeling better. Some of these reges are a bunch of sick *bleep*…*bleep* *bleep* *bleep*

      • These were not just reges. It’s a concentrated desperate effort. The check was signed by ED, she was approached by HCO staff and even some former staffers. Everyone is a reg there though.

        • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

          Desperate is an understatement and just tasteless beyond words.

          • April

            If it wasn’t tasteless it wouldn’t be the CO$.

        • LongtimeLurker

          “Everyone is a reg” is the way of Scientology’s future, I suspect.

    • beauty for ashes

      Poor thing. Sending some prayers/good thoughts her way. She needs what a real church would do right now, make sure she has food, transportation to Dr’s appts, support, shelter.
      Geez what a bunch of wankers to put her on some phoney half of a lie detector for some floating needles, and some unobtainable worthless “clear.”

      • “Poor thing. Send some prayers/good thoughts her way. She needs what a
        real church would do right now, make sure she has food, transportation
        to Dr’s appts, support, shelter.”

        Thank you. My point exactly.

        • beauty for ashes

          You’re a good protective friend Dodo. 🙂

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I don’t know the statutes on elderly abuse, but this I would think falls in the fiduciaries, fraud extortion realm.
      https://www.justice.gov/elderjustice/prosecutors/statutes

    • dungeon master

      I would like to see Leah turn the spotlight on this type activity by the church. Every episode has been so powerful!
      Sending love and strength to your friend, Dodo.
      Edit 2 stray words.

    • Juicer77

      What. The. Hell.
      Sorry to hear this, D. I hope she is ok and can stop worrying about this. Sending healing thoughts.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      This is truly despicable! How do these folks even look at themselves in the mirror in the morning?

      This is really a form of elder abuse and these folks should be behind bars!

      Which org is this, I need to send them a “special” Xmas card?

    • LongtimeLurker

      smh.

      She’s lucky to have you Dodo.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      DoDo, I was wondering if you could share that link we talked about yesterday. I would have asked yesterday,however, I didn’t want to put you on the spot. I’ll delete this after. Thx, T

  • OT NPR Fresh air has an interview done yesterday with BuzzFeed Media Editor about fake news in the media. One of the final solutions is the education was mentioned. Good information for reporters and readers both.

  • Rasha

    G’night, Bunks. Love y’all. Very Dragon Dreams…..

    David Miscavige, no sleep for you. I honestly hope you step barefoot onto a Lego, then onto another one as you try to recover, then fall under a plummeting bowl of hot tomato soup, pull a shelf full of brass candle holders onto you on the way down, then slip on a baggie full of angry bees and fall onto an unfinished game of jacks, dislodging a poorly hung dart board which was accidentally sprayed with capsaicin and glycol, get a needle plunged into your lung and then get stacked around a volcano. The rest is up to you, asshat.

    …ahhhhhh….. zzzzzzzzzzzz(SNRRT)zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • beauty for ashes

      g’night.. pleasant dreams!

      • Rasha

        …still haven’t caught up on my sleep from my drive to and from Ohio…. I’m gonna…. just scrunch over, Beauty…. I’ll… YAAAAWWWNNNN… om nom nom nom…….

    • chukicita

      That sounds like a fun dream.

      • Rasha

        …mmmmmmmmmmm………

        • chukicita

          Shhh. I’ll sing you to sleep. Sweet dreams.

          • Rasha

            purrrrrrrrrr….

  • chukicita

    Had to watch Nora’s vid again.

    And these people have the juevos to operate a front group that pretends to be concerned about human rights. They wanted to take away Nora’s right to love who she wanted. To remove her right to be herself. These are among the most basic human rights.

    Not to mention the families, the life savings and the very lives that it has taken with zero remorse.

    I’m gonna make a New Years resolution.

    Every day I will write a letter to an elected official focusing on just one thing about Scn that bakes my potato. Not to try to explain it all in one letter. Just a one pager. But one every damn day.

    I will ask for an inquiry into the current status of Scientology structure that has not had any checks and balances since DM started throwing all his execs in the Hole. Who is the watchdog committee and when do they meet? Where are their meeting minutes? Who is making financial decisions and overseeing and being accountable for the vast amount of money Scn rides on, and has anyone seen them in public? Hell we can’t even get the spokesperson to show up in public.

    Why is s Narconon allowed to make outrageous claims of success and offer non-evidence based treatments subsidized by tax dollars?

    I will ask them to consider how improved legislation about tax exempt organizations that do no publicly perceived good can protect people going forward.

    I’m sure I can think up a new question every day.

    • Chee Chalker

      After reading your comment and Dodo’s comment down below, I think I am going to start a letter campaign directed at financial institutions that lend money in order for people to ‘go Clear’

      I’ll bet the banks get stiffed all the time with loans made to
      Scientologists who have no way to pay them back.

      I’m still at a loss at what to say about Nora. What can one possibly say other than ‘I’m glad you got out and I’m glad you are still with us.’

      Nora is a true warrior…..not like those nitwits who ride around St. Hill dressed as knights of the round table. ( side note……I think Miscavige gets aroused when he sees the men galloping around. And JAW too and Mappin…..you just know they love that stuff…..end of side note).

      Nora and Derek….you guys are amazing and you are an inspiration for young scientologists still held captive

      • Missionary Kid

        Both of those people are really nice, funny, warm people. They are not only survivors, but warriors. I feel privileged to have met them.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        There are stories online about American Express credit card company clamping down on org I think it basically black listed orgs from doing any business through such cards and I think it was because to many of the card holders didn’t make timely payments and or declared bankruptcies.. Ya know the standard extortion to be able to fill el con’s suitcases and shoe boxes full of cash.
        Scientology the worlds only 20th century formulated by a shyster and fastest rate of scams, extortions and various other torts.
        Perhaps it could change its brand name from Scientology to tortology. At least people would get the harm aspect. Laughter at xenu could then be accompanied by a more important outrage

        • Chee Chalker

          I hope so….I know I’ve read comments where people claim that regs told them scientology had people working at Visa, MasterCard, AmEx, etc. and that is how they were able to get loans for parishioners

          I’m sure they do…..just like Operation Snow White, but this time with banks.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Back in the 70s some bank lending officers were well known as easy targets to make loans which ended up in Scientology coffers.
            And on the free wind and at Flag the wealthier scientolosts were also hinted towards as potential lender marks. Hubbard bred into the organization a money extraction machine. IIRC I think one of the ED’s stats was Gross Income divided by staff.

  • Fascinating that the most common emotion produced by Scientology is anger. Anger at the abuses, the denial of rights, the lies, the crimes, boy, they make me angry. Now to fight them with truth and love.

    • MarcabExpat

      I love this writer’s whole approach. Went back and read the 2 previous ones and going to check back each week. This guy gets it.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I kissed a Thetan… and LOVED it.

    • Sherbet

      There are millions more where that one came from. Pucker up.

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        Just came across this on Cracked(dot)com, about groups people think run the world:

        But no, Scientology’s rate of new membership is falling faster than your average Thetan’s power level or … however that nonsense works. In fact, this elite secret society is so desperate for members that they’ve taken to putting up ads on Craigslist, meaning that their main competitors these days are urine-soaked sofas and suspicious-smelling recliners.

        According to Scientology’s official spokespeople, the Church is still experiencing “enormous growth,” and more people than ever believe space ghosts rule from coast to coast. Former high-ranking Church member and Scientology marketing guru Jefferson Hawkins gives a different story. Church recruitment is so dire, he claims, that Scientology has more or less abandoned the effort to recruit more members and focused on desperately trying to retain the members it already has.

        http://www.cracked.com/article_24397_5-terrifying-institutions-that-are-now-hilariously-benign.html

        • Juicer77

          Oh, for… $ci has been on Craigslist for years!! Cracked, thou dost disappoint.

          • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

            Yeah, but it’s the first mention of that tactic I’ve noticed outside of CoS-discussion blogs. Cracked ran an article by Derek a year or two ago about his experience in CoS, so they’re on our side, albiet with more dick jokes.

            • Juicer77

              True.

    • Dagnabit

      Dadgummit

  • grundoon

    [OT] “Apparently the only rule in the game is that you can change the rules,” is how Perry Chapdelaine (1925-2015) (an early Scientologist, who posted here as “oldtimer”) described the entertaining and thoughtful 1946 SF novella The Fairy Chessmen by Lewis Padgett (pseudonym of Henry Kuttner). The Fairy Chessmen was first published in Astounding Science Fiction magazine in two parts, January and February 1946.

    In the story, a war is won by driving the enemy insane. “A player can see the board and the pieces and comprehend the pattern. But if a pawn could see the board from the viewpoint of a player….” Exposed to a glimpse of the game in which he has been a pawn, the enemy caves.

    I haven’t found anywhere that Hubbard mentioned Padgett / Kuttner or his stories, so I wonder why Padgett has an entry in Scientology’s Master Glossary. But Hubbard probably read this story, and maybe took some ideas from it.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Nora, You are a beautiful and kind person inside and out.
    Iam so glad you are out of Scientology and still with us.

    • Sherbet

      The video was very poignant, and part of its value is that Nora is so articulate and sincere and polished. She presents a rational, truthful, trustworthy face in counterpoint to the evils of scientology. One can’t help but believe her.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        So true. Nora is a great speaker. And you can feel her pain and total honesty while watching.

        • Sherbet

          Yes. You want to just reach through the monitor and give her a big hug.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Finally can sit down without pain long enough to watch Chris’s latest Sensibly Speaking Podcast.
    It was so interesting explaining the differences between narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths.
    In real life I bet we have come across them many times.
    I highly recommend it if anyone hasn’t listened to it yet. I think it came out about 5 days ago.

    https://youtu.be/3Y2MjxK12Ws

    • Rieand

      I think many, maybe most people behave in these ways, part time. Based on my research? heh. Its a theory or observation, of course

    • Rieand

      I guess I mean, in our worst moments

  • Jimmy3

    piece on earth the one with ripley
    thong bong
    thong bong cleaner
    dog roller skates that work underwater
    long snorkel
    flippy floppies but not the kind with the strap in the big toe slot
    4-pack Extra Creamy JIF it has to be creamy we don’t like peanuts
    I do like packing peanuts tho
    Large box full of packing peanuts lots of them
    Night out with Jesus prize package raffle
    Good Will coupons/gift crads

    • Jimmy3

      wrong window
      I hate this thing

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Whut? Jimmy have you been drinking your dinner again? 🙂

      • Jimmy3

        no just appetizers

        • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

          I recommend a Scottish seven-course dinner, a six-pack of Guiness stout and a scone(for the protein, as my grand-uncle use to say).

          • Jimmy3

            Great Lakes Christmas Ale tonight. Not always my thing, but it’s kind of a tradition around here this time of year, and I feel like I owe it to my people to help them finish this batch

            • daisy

              I live near a great lake. I never heard of this tradition. I will be instituting it this year. Well it will be formalized this year.

            • Jimmy3

              Great Lakes Brewing Co. Every year around November they brew a big batch of Christmas Ale, and Clevebillies guzzle it down until it’s all gone in January. Then we go back to drinking Listerene and motor oil.

            • daisy

              Best not get used of the good stuff. This is a great tradition. I do not think they are in Canada. I guess Erie isn*t as great a lake as the others.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              bwa ha ha ha !!

            • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

              I did a bit of beer making in my mycology class at the Midwest of the Harvard, and we have our own traditions here in the Gateway to the Gateway to the Sierras:

              http://s3.amazonaws.com/anchor_cms_production/beers/17/original/winter-wheat-bio.png?1470870354

            • Juicer77

              Yum!

          • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

            Skip the 7 course meal….I will take 7 courses of scones 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Chocolate
      Person roller skates that work underwater
      Waterproof leash (ETA: and mascara)
      Long snorkel
      Goodwill gift card for VHS tape shopping with J3
      Chocolate
      Hedgehog grooming set
      How Not To Fall Off A Horse audio book
      Chocolate

      • Vaquera

        #8 🙂

        • Juicer77

          Addendum: fancy boots like V has

          • Vaquera

            At first I thought you listed waterproof mascara instead of leash.

            • Juicer77

              XD

            • Juicer77

              Add that. Good thinking!

    • daisy

      You read my mind .

    • Vaquera

      Xmas list? Santa reads the Bunker!

  • Willie Jones

    Nora, this is a powerful video and this needs to go far and wide. I am so glad that in the end they did not break you!!! They tried to take your humanity from you but they lost and you regained yourself. Phil and I have become friends with you and I am so proud of you for speaking out and being forthright and funny and just being a decent person. Keep kicking ass, we love it! I am certain there is more to come from you. You go girl!!

    • Gib

      on a similar note, lest we forget:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjbt9gVFIX8

      • Dagnabit

        word

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Wow, what a complete and utter mind fuck! This is straight out of the Red China Cultural Revolution period that featured re-education labor camps ($cn’s RPF) and its thought reform model, which is pretty much synonymous with brainwashing.

        • pluvo

          At the end Bruce Hines says something like “and then you think … they are all good people” (and you are made to believe that you imagined everything that you saw/experienced).
          This reminds me of Orwell’s “1984” when “Winston Smith” at the end, after the treatment in room 101, says that he would Love Big Brother (now).

          • Harpoona Frittata

            The Truth Rundown, what a total doublespeak title!

            Once you know what a monster DM is, you’d have to completely brainwashed NOT to have had negative thoughts about him.

            To send folks chasing back into their past memories in search of the evil purpose that supposedly prompted them to have the perfectly rational and entirely correct thought that he’s an evil fuck weasel (or insert your own favorite derogatory term here), and to do it under the duress of RPF’s re-education labor camp-like conditions, is is pretty much the definition of brainwashing and mindfuckery!

            I took special note of the part where Bruce said that no one gets out of the RPF until they’ve had the EP cog that they’re the one at fault there. It’s way past time that we sent DM to federal prison for an extended period of “rest and spiritual rehabilitation”!

        • mockingbird

          Have a good day citizen.

  • Rieand

    Is there a chance they might do something drastic?

  • Dagnabit

    dah uh dah uh dah uh dah uh Dadgummit !

  • Narapoid

    Wow Nora, that is the film that explains in such human terms the diabolical methods, the routine horror of the cult for the LGBT community in particular and the sick mind control for all. You are helping people directly and humanity indirectly.

    Thanks.

  • daisy

    I must be tired ( more likely drunk ) because I just went to shut off my light – in the dark. Nite all

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s the influence of $cientology. Everything is dark, and that’s the way they want it.

    • coonellie

      Have I told you lately that I love you?

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Todd Tomorrow

      I too was perplexed by that. One thing that was new to me is the target marketed redneck ads surrounding the racist duck fucks.

  • Juicer77

    Anybody seen Monkey lately?

  • Juicer77
  • Draco

    Some good news and good lovin’ (you might need the tissues though)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nhzg5u-vHc&list=PL8sZUhmkQU_gbTDhKLi0iAzo9jF4N_toW