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Leah Remini demands $1.5 million from Scientology for interfering with her A&E series

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Since at least August, the Church of Scientology has been sending letters attacking Leah Remini to executives at the A&E network and its parent, ABC, in an attempt to head off her upcoming A&E series that premieres on November 29, Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.

On Saturday, we published one of those letters, a 7-page salvo from Church of Scientology International spokeswoman Karin Pouw addressed to the series executive producer, Alex Weresow, and A+E Networks CEO Nancy Dubuc. The letter, dated September 9, referred to Remini as a “has-been actress” and “spoiled entitled diva” who is harassing Scientology leader David Miscavige and stalking his wife, Shelly.

Now, the Underground Bunker has obtained four more letters. Two are from Leah Remini’s attorney, Douglas E. Mirell. The other two are replies from Scientology attorney Gary S. Soter.

In the exchange, Mirell calls Pouw’s many letters to A&E libelous and defamatory, accusing the church of maliciously trying to harm Remini’s reputation and interfere with her contract with A&E. Mirell demands that Scientology retract the letters and pay Remini $1.5 million as compensation. Soter, in his two replies, said the church would pay nothing and it stood by what it said about Remini.

Now, there’s only a week before the series premiere, and our sources tell us Scientology is still trying to convince A&E and ABC executives to pull the show — even after promotional spots are already running.

It’s not unusual for Scientology to paper a network with threatening letters leading right up to the day a program airs. HBO experienced the same treatment last year before it aired Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear in March, for example. But it is unusual for the target of that campaign to fire back at Scientology, and even to ask for compensation.

But Remini has already showed she’s willing to take a more aggressive approach. In a promotional spot that began airing over the weekend, she challenged Scientology to “stop fucking with people’s lives and families.”

The first letter we have today, from Remini’s attorney, Douglas Mirell, is dated October 26. He addresses it to Karin Pouw, and complains that Pouw has been sending letters on behalf of the church that “falsely and maliciously defame Ms. Remini.”

In particular, Mirell says that Pouw is purposely mischaracterizing Remini’s 2013 filing of a missing person report with the LAPD in regards to David Miscavige’s wife Shelly, who has not been seen at Scientology events for years. In the summer of 2005, Shelly, who had been a top Scientology executive in her own right, vanished from the organization’s secretive international headquarters, a 500-acre compound near Hemet, California. She has been seen in public only one time since, at the funeral of her father in the summer of 2007.

We broke the news on August 8, 2013 that Leah had filed the missing person report with the LAPD. But later that day, the police department told other news organizations that the report was “unfounded.” The LAPD had made contact with Shelly, who didn’t want to make a public statement. (Leah had actually filed the report several days earlier, on that Monday, giving the LAPD plenty of time to check on Shelly before announcing Thursday afternoon that the case was closed.) Pouw accused Remini of knowingly filing a false report for publicity’s sake. Mirell calls that a malicious lie, saying that Leah filed the report because she genuinely cared about the welfare of her longtime friend. (Meanwhile, the church still hasn’t produced Shelly or said publicly where she’s being held. We think we have a pretty good idea where she is, however.)

“Not only did Ms. Remini not know of Ms. Miscavige’s whereabouts (or even whether she was still alive) when she filed her missing person report,” Mirell writes, “but the Church of Scientology’s own all-encompassing veil of secrecy renders it literally impossible for Ms. Remini (or for anyone else outside a tight-knit circle of Scientology senior leaders) to know ‘the truth’ about Ms. Miscavige’s location or condition.”

Mirell adds that not only was Pouw maliciously attacking Remini for merely trying to check on her friend’s welfare, but also that Pouw’s letters were targeted in such a way as to produce maximum damage for Remini with the producers and network executives who are taking a chance on her series. And for that reason, Remini wants more than simply for the church to stop attacking her.

In addition, Ms. Remini hereby further demands that the Church of Scientology forthwith pay her Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($500,000.00) as at least partial compensation for the past, present and ongoing reputational, emotional and economic injuries and damages she has suffered, and continues to suffer, as a result of this malicious conduct. Given the many millions of dollars that Ms. Remini has personally donated and otherwise contributed to the Church of Scientology over the course of many decades, this monetary demand is exceedingly modest.

On November 4, Mirell sent out a second letter to Pouw at the same time that Scientology attorney Gary Soter responded to his first one.

Soter called Remini’s demands “ludicrous” and said the church would be ignoring them.

As she stated in her own words in her book, the filing [of the missing person report] was a component of the publicity she sought when leaving the Church and was a step in the orchestrated rollout of her break with Scientology, fully coordinated with other anti-Scientologists, including Mike Rinder, Tony Ortega and Marc and Claire Headley. This rollout was intended to generate maximum publicity for Ms. Remini’s failed career and to cause maximum harassment to the Church and its ecclesiastical leader.

Soter also took a shot at the series itself, calling it, “…what will no doubt be another failed program by a failed ‘celebrity’ seeking to make a buck off of her former religion.”

Meanwhile, Mirell’s second letter complains that Pouw had sent even more caustic letters about Remini than Mirell was originally aware of. One of them was the 7-page September 9 letter that we published on Saturday. In it, Pouw blamed Remini for the actions of a woman in Austin who had driven a car into a Scientology storefront, a man who had taken a hammer to a Scientology org in Los Angeles, and a St. Louis man who had called in threats to David Miscavige.

Mirell complains that not only did Remini not know these people or have any connection to them, but that “these vile insinuations” had “severely traumatized” Remini.

And so, Mirell says that Remini is upping the ante.

“Ms. Remini now hereby further demands that the CoS forthwith pay her an additional One Million Dollars ($1,000,000.00) as at least partial compensation for the past, present and ongoing reputational, emotional and economic injuries and damages she was suffered,” he writes.

In response, on November 7, Soter wrote back reiterating that Scientology planned to pay nothing.

“Moreover, since we do not wish to waste resources further on this attempt at attention getting, this will be the last correspondence on the subject,” Soter wrote.

But you can bet that cannon fire between the two sides is going to continue up to the last minute next week when the series is scheduled to premiere.

Here now are the full contents of all four letters, in both text and PDF form. Let us know what you think about Leah going on offense rather than just ignoring what the church is dishing out. We’re very curious to find out what our longtime Scientology watchers think of her aggressive stance.

 
Letter #1, from Leah Remini’s attorney Douglas Mirell to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw…

 

Douglas E. Mirell, Attorney At Law
132 S. Rodeo Drive, Fourth Floor
Beverly Hills, CA 90212-2413
424.203.1600 www.HMAFIRM.com
DIRECT: 424.203.1603 FAX: 424.203.1671
EMAIL: DMIRELL@HMAFIRM.COM

October 26, 2016

VIA Email (mediarelations@churchofscientology.net) and U.S. mail

Ms. Karin Pouw
Church of Scientology International
6331 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 1200
Los Angeles, CA 90028-6329

Re: Leah Remini

Dear Ms. Pouw:

This law firm is litigation counsel to Leah Remini.

We write in connection with a series of letters you sent to ABC News and to Slauson Productions in which you, and through you the Church of Scientology International (“CoS”), falsely and maliciously defame Ms. Remini, intentionally inflict emotional distress, interfere with her contractual relations and prospective economic advantage, and seek to induce a breach of contract.

In your October 26, 2015, letter to John Bentley at ABC News (the “10/26/15 Letter”), you erroneously claim that Ms. Remini engaged in an “effort to harass the Church leader and his wife that culminated in her dishonest ‘missing person’ report filed in 2013 with the Los Angeles Police Department.” You further falsely assert: “When a person makes disingenuous reports to law enforcement, they simply cannot be trusted.See 10/26/15 Letter, p.1 (emphasis added). Your letter also inexplicably accuses Ms. Remini of “stalking Mrs. Miscavige.Id. at 6. Still later in that same letter, you make a number of additional maliciously false and inflammatory statements, all of which are premised upon the erroneous assertion that Ms. Remini did not have ample good cause to file her missing person report at the time she did so: “[D]espite knowing the truth, Ms. Remini filed a false missing person’s report, which required the Los Angeles Police Department to waste precious resources on a wild goose chase, while Ms. Remini’s friends leaked the story to the media to smear the Church. Within hours of that media leak, the police declared her claim ‘unfounded’ and closed the case. It has been two years since Ms. Remini’s harassment blew up in her face, yet she still perpetuates this falsehood. Ms. Remini should have been embarrassed and ashamed for filing the report and diverting public resources that were better used to protect the City of Los Angeles. Instead, she won’t let go.” Id. at p. 9 (emphasis added).

Your October 27, 2015, letter to Mr. Bentley (the “10/27/15 Letter”), falsely asserts that Ms. Remini “was never a friend of Mrs. Miscavige,” and then repeats the libelous claim that Ms. Remini submitted a “false missing person complaint to the Los Angeles Police Department…[that was] thoroughly debunked within hours of becoming public, with a public statement released by the police calling Ms. Remini’s claims ‘unfounded.'” You also falsely and baselessly claim that “Ms. Remini continues to invent new reasons to harass Mr. Miscavige and his wife. Truly it is compulsive and obsessive.” See 10/27/15 Letter, p. 4 (emphasis added).

Your August 10, 2016, letter to Alex Weresow of Slauson Productions (the “8/10/16 Letter”) repeats and embellishes upon the same calumny: “[Y]ou cannot be serious in claiming that Leah Remini’s fraudulent report to the Los Angeles Police Department was anything other than a publicity stunt.” You also falsely and maliciously claim that Ms. Remini’s investigation request was an attempt “to misuse law enforcement resources for her harassment” and that it was a dishonest report.” See 8/10/16 Letter, p. 1 (emphasis added).

Finally, in your August 24, 2016, letter to Mr. Weresow (the “8/24/16 Letter”), you disingenuously assert that when the CoS “has been compelled by the magnitude of her lies to respond, our statements have been measured and fully documentedSee 8/24/16 Letter, p. 3 (emphasis added).

In the context of addressing Ms. Remini’s missing person report concerning [Michele] (Shelly) Miscavige, all of the above characterizations are egregiously untrue. As I am sure you are aware, Ms. Remini and Ms. Miscavige were long-time friends whose acquaintanceship well predated Ms. Remini’s resignation from the CoS, that Ms. Remini had not seen Ms. Miscavige for a significant period of time, and that Ms. Miscavige had not been seen by anyone else at any public CoS functions or at any other public events for a similarly lengthy period of tie. Accordingly, Ms. Remini was at all times acting in the utmost good faith when she filed her missing person report with the Los Angeles Police Department (“LAPD”).

Your various assertions that this missing person report was in any way “dishonest,” “false,” “fraudulent,” “a publicity stunt,” or intended to “smear the Church,” are as baseless and false as they are insulting and malicious. It is equally fatuous for you to assert that this missing person report was filed at a time when Ms. Remini “[knew] the truth” — the clear, and clearly defamatory, implication being that she had actual knowledge of Mrs. Miscavige’s whereabouts at the time this report was filed.

Not only did Ms. Remini not know of Ms. Miscavige’s whereabouts (or even whether she was still alive) when she filed her missing person report, but the CoS’s own all-encompassing veil of secrecy renders it literally impossible for Ms. Remini (or for anyone else outside a tight-knit circle of CoS senior leaders) to know “the truth” about Ms. Miscavige’s location or condition. Given these facts, it is therefore literally impossible — and highly defamatory — for you and the CoS to characterize Ms. Remini’s report as “dishonest,” “false,” or “fraudulent.” Under these circumstances, and since a missing person report merely constitutes a request to commence an inquiry, it is grossly inaccurate and wholly improper to claim that the filing of any such report is “dishonest,” “false,” or “fraudulent.” The LAPD’s subsequent determination that Ms. Remini’s report was “unfounded” is simply its short-hand way of stating that Ms. Miscavige had been located and is not, therefore, “missing.” The LAPD’s use of the word “unfounded” in no way undermines the true and bona fide rationale for Ms. Remini having filed her missing person report in the first place. Whenever anyone files a missing person report and the individual who is the subject of that report is subsequently found, the report is deemed “unfounded” — without any reference whatsoever to the motive or mindset of the individual filing that report. It is therefore grossly inappropriate, misleading and highly defamatory for you and the CoS to have attempted to bootstrap the LAPD’s ultimate “unfounded” finding into a wildly distorted claim that the filing of the report was “dishonest,” “false,” or “fraudulent” when made.

Equally reprehensible and malicious is the baseless assertion that Ms. Remini’s filing of this missing person report was “a publicity stunt” or that it was intended to “smear the Church.” Nothing could be further from the truth. Likewise, contrary to your unsupported claim that Ms. Remini was “never a friend of Mrs. Miscavige,” the truth is that the two were long-time friends; over the course of many years, Ms. Remini and Ms. Miscavige frequently spoke and exchanged correspondence. Indeed, Ms. Remini cared — and today still cares — only for Ms. Miscavige’s health, safety and security. Assuming that the LAPD in fact found and spoke directly with Ms. Miscavige herself — an assumption thus far unconfirmed by any official verbal or written statements to this effect provided to Ms. Remini by the LAPD — that would be the end of the matter.

Finally, of course, your baseless and libelous claims that Ms. Remini either intended to “harass” or “stalk” either Mr. or Ms. Miscavige — or that Ms. Remini actually did so — are purely figments of a fevered imagination. Likewise maliciously defamatory is your assertion that Ms. Remini has acted in a “compulsive” or “obsessive” manner.

Among the many jurisdictions in which litigation against the CoS would be timely and appropriate, California recognizes that public figures such as Ms. Remini are entitled to sue for defamation arising from both directly defamatory statements, as well as those that arise from defamatory implications. See, e.g., Kaelin v. Globe Communications Corp., 162 F.3d 1036, 1010 (9th Cir. 1998); see also Thomas v. Los Angeles Times Communications, 189 F.Supp.2d 1005 (C.D.Cal. 2002); MacLeod v. Tribune Publishing Co., Inc., 52 Cal.2d 536 (1959). In this case, your correspondence on behalf of the CoS contains both types of statements. Moreover, there is ample evidence that these statements were made with “actual malice” since, as a definitional matter, a mere request that law enforcement determine whether an individual is or isn’t “missing” cannot be “dishonest,” “false” or “fraudulent.” Likewise, since you have proffered no evidence whatsoever that Ms. Remini “knew” that Ms. Miscavige was not “missing” at the time she submitted her report to the LAPD, the contrary assertion in your correspondence is either knowingly false or made with reckless disregard for its truth. See, e.d., New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 279-280 (1964); Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 342 (1974).

These outrageous lies and misstatements, all of which were clearly directed at Ms. Remini, also give rise to claims for intentional infliction of emotional distress, as well as for simple negligence. See generally Christensen v. Superior Court, 54 Cal.3d 868, 902-903 (1991); B.E. Witkin, Summary of California Law, Torts § 871 (10th ed. 2005).

Likewise, given the identities of the parties to whom you transmitted your letters (and your understanding of their relationship to Ms. Remini), the false and defamatory statements contained therein also constitute inducements to breach contracts with Ms. Remini, intentional interference with Ms. Remini’s contractual relations, as well as the intentional and negligent interference with her prospective economic advantage. See generally Dryden v. Tri-Valley Growers, 65 Cal.App.3d 990, 995 (1977) (inducing breach of contract); Pacific Gas & Electric Co. v. Bear Stearns & Co., 50 Cal.3d 1118, 1126 (1990) (intentional interference with contractual relations); Della Penna v. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc., 11 Cal.4th 376, 393-393 (1995) (interference with “prospective contractual or economic relations”); and North American Chemical Co. v. Superior Court, 59 Cal.App.4th 764, 786 (1997) (negligent interference with prospective economic advantage).

Accordingly, demand is hereby made that you immediately retract and correct all of the false, misleading, defamatory and otherwise tortiuos statements that you have made about Ms. Remini’s missing person report to the LAPD concerning Ms. Miscavige in: (1) a letter to Mr. Bentley at ABC News; (2) a letter to Mr. Weresow at Slauson Productions; (3) a statement to be posted prominently and conspicuously on all CoS websites and related Internet pages; and (4) a press release sent to all print and electronic media outlets that ever published any or all of the substantive allegations contained in your above-referenced correspondence to Messrs. Bentley and/or Weresow. Please copy the undersigned on all of these retractions and corrections.

In addition, Ms. Remini hereby further demands that the CoS forthwith pay her Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($500,000.00) as at least partial compensation for the past, present and ongoing reputational, emotional and economic injuries and damages she has suffered, and continues to suffer, as a result of this malicious conduct. Given the many millions of dollars that Ms. Remini has personally donated and otherwise contributed to the CoS over the course of many decades, this monetary demand is exceedingly modest.

I await your prompt and comprehensive response.

This letter is not intended, and should not be construed, as a complete expression of Ms. Remini’s factual or legal positions with respect to the matters addressed herein. Nothing contained in or omitted from his letter — including, without limitation, any and all other false, defamatory or otherwise tortious statements about Ms. Remini that you and/or CoS have ever disseminated — is intended, and should not be construed, as a waiver, relinquishment or other limitation upon any of Ms. Remini’s rights and/or remedies, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.

Yours sincerely,

Douglas E. Mirell of
Harder Mirell & Abrams LLP

cc: Ms. Leah Remini

 
Letter #2, from Scientology attorney Gary Soter to Mirell….

 

Law Offices of
Gary S. Soter
A Professional Corporation
22287 Mulholland Highway #169
Calabasas, California 91302
(323) 960-1909
FAX (818) 530-4352

EMAIL: GARYSOTER@GARYSOTERLAW.COM

November 4, 2016

Dougas E. Mirell, Esq.
Harder Mirell & Abrams LLP
132 S. Rodeo Drive
Fourth Floor
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Email: dmirell@hmafirm.com

Re: Leah Remini

Dear Mr. Mirell:

Your October 26, 2016 letter to Ms. Pouw was referred to me.

Ms. Remini’s ludicrous demands for a retraction and for compensation are soundly rejected. The Church of Scientology stands by its statements regarding the false and harassing missing person report Ms. Remini filed with the LAPD.

The facts are clear that Ms. Remini knew the missing person report was false and unfounded at the time it was filed. As she stated in her own words in her book, the filing was a component of the publicity she sought when leaving the Church and was a step in the orchestrated rollout of her break with Scientology, fully coordinated with other anti-Scientologists, including Mike Rinder, Tony Ortega and Marc and Claire Headley. This rollout was intended to generate maximum publicity for Ms. Remini’s failed career and to cause maximum harassment to the Church and its ecclesiastical leader.

It is Ms. Remini and her cohorts who are harassing the Church and its leader. Clearly Ms. Remini’s demands are nothing more than a provocative ploy to generate publicity for what will no doubt be another failed program by a failed “celebrity” seeking to make a buck off of her former religion.

Let me repeat, Ms. Remini’s ludicrous demands are soundly rejected.

Please direct any further correspondence to my attention.

Very truly yours,

The Law Offices of Gary S. Soter
A Professional Corporation

Gary S. Soter

 
Letter #3, from Mirell to Karin Pouw….

 

Douglas E. Mirell, Attorney At Law
132 S. Rodeo Drive, Fourth Floor
Beverly Hills, CA 90212-2413
424.203.1600 www.HMAFIRM.com
DIRECT: 424.203.1603 FAX: 424.203.1671
EMAIL: DMIRELL@HMAFIRM.COM

November 4, 2016

VIA Email (mediarelations@churchofscientology.net) and U.S. mail

Ms. Karin Pouw
Church of Scientology International
6331 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 1200
Los Angeles, CA 90028-6329

Re: Leah Remini

Dear Ms. Pouw:

As you already know, this law firm is litigation counsel to Leah Remini. I write now to follow up on the letter I sent to you on October 26, 2016, to which I have yet to receive any response.

Subsequent to my October 26th correspondence, I became aware of a 7-page letter with attachments that you sent to Alex Weresow of Slauson Productions, dated September 9, 2016, bearing a “Re” line that reads “Leah Remini” (hereinafter the “9/9 Remini Letter”). It has likewise been brought to my attention that you sent two additional letters to Mr. Weresow on the same date — a 12-page letter bearing a “Re” line that reads “‘Untitled Documentary Project’ and the Church of Scientology” and a 9-page letter with attachments bearing a “Re” line that reads “Mike Rinder.” I note that “cc” copies of all three letters were sent to “Ms. Nancy Dubuc, CEO A+E Networks” and to “Mr. Paul Buccieri, President, A&E and History.”

The unmistakable purpose, intent and desired effect of all three letters is to dissuade Ms. Remini, Slauson and A&E from exercising their First Amendment rights to comment upon and criticize the conduct of the Church of Scientology International (“CoS”) and its leaders. In so doing, not only have you continued to defame and inflict emotional distress upon Ms. Remini personally (and compounded those injuries by the publication of these statements to persons and entities beyond Mr. Weresow and Slauson), but you have now made even more abundantly clear that you are endeavoring at all costs to induce Slauson and/or A&E to breach any contracts they may have with Ms. Remini, to interfere with her contractual relations, and to interfere with her prospective economic advantage.

Because all three letters are largely repetitive insofar as they seek to disparage and defame Ms. Remini, I will confine my specific comments below to the outrageously false assertions, insinuations, innuendos and implications arising solely from the 9/9 Remini Letter.

First, you begin your letter by falsely characterizing Ms. Remini as an “anti-Scientologist.” As you well know, Ms. Remini and her family spent many decades of their lives and many millions of dollars as faithful and supportive members of the CoS. Ms. Remini personally received numerous recognitions and commendations not only from David Miscavige himself, but also from Tom Cruise and other prominent CoS adherents. Since her resignation from the Church, Ms. Remini’s only goal has been to share the truths about Scientology she has come to learn and understand — truths borne out by her own very personal experiences and those of other former CoS adherents, many of whom held positions of authority and prominence within the Church hierarchy. The fact that these truths are often stunning and shocking does not render Ms. Remini an “anti-Scientologist.” Her sole desire is to shed light upon and counteract the Church’s tactics of bullying and intimidation that for too long have deterred and prevented journalists and others from telling the truth about the CoS and its actual practices. In so doing, Ms. Remini fervently hopes that other Scientologists will now feel free to honestly relate their own experiences of mistreatment and abuse so that no one else will ever have to suffer that same fate.

Second, I do not intend to dignify with a response any of the snide, snarky, spiteful and opinionated characterizations of Ms. Remini’s career or character, such as those found in the second through fourth paragraphs and elsewhere throughout your 9/9 Remini Letter. Neither do I intend to address in this letter the claims you make about the alleged conduct of any other former Scientologists — such as Ron Miscavige, Mike Rinder and Tom DeVocht. I will leave those tasks to other persons, other times, and other forums.

Third, the fifth paragraph of your 9/9 Remini Letter — which purports to discuss the circumstances of Ms. Remini’s departure from the CoS — is internally inconsistent, disingenuous and flatly false. On the other hand, you claim that Ms. Remini “was expelled,” while simultaneously asserting that “she was on the verge of being kicked out.” Neither is true. As already noted in my October 26th letter (to which you have yet to reply), Ms. Remini voluntarily resigned from the Church.

Fourth, the sixth and seventh paragraphs of your 9/9 Remini Letter simply regurgitate your prior wholly alse, utterly misleading and defamatory characterizations of the circumstances surrounding the filing of Ms. Remini’s missing person report concerning [Michele] (Shelly) Miscavige — the subject I addressed at length in my October 26th letter. I refer you back to that correspondence for a comprehensive response and refutation of those scandalous characterizations.

Fifth, the new claims and insinuations you make on pages 3 and 4 of your 9/9 Remini Letter are utterly outrageous and despicable. By attempting to blame Ms. Remini for an array of criminal acts with which she had no connection whatsoever (reckless driving, hate crimes and death threats), the Church of Scientology has reached a new low. These are classically desperate tropes that resemble nothing less than Joseph McCarthy-esque attempts to engage in guilty by association. For the record: (A) Ms. Remini did not know and had no communications whatsoever with Erin McMurtry at any time up to and including the time of the alleged December 2015 incident you describe; (B) Ms. Remini did not know and had no communications whatsoever with Brandon Reisdorf at any time up to and including the time of the alleged conduct you describe; and (C) Ms. Remini did not know and had no communications whatsoever with Andre Barkanov at any time up to and including the time of the alleged July 2015 incidents you describe. The only possible purpose for mentioning these matters in your 9/9 Remini Letter is to seek to dissuade Slauson and/or A&E from proceeding with the production and airing of the documentary project you know them to be contemplating. Since there is absolutely no reason to believe that Ms. Remini had anything whatsoever to do with any of these alleged crimes or the persons who purportedly perpetrated them, their recitation in this context is an exercise in egregiously tortious conduct intended to induce a contractual breach and/or to interfere with Ms. Remini’s contractual relations and her prospective economic advantage. In addition, of course, these vile insinuations have severely traumatized Ms. Remini and give rise to substantial liabilitiy for intentional infliction of emotional distress, as well as for negligence. In these regards, I refer you back to my October 26th correspondence for a sampling of the legal authorities supporting each of these claims.

Accordingly, demand is hereby made that you immediately retract and correct all of the false, misleading, defamatory and otherwise tortious statements, insinuations, innuendos and implications arising from the 9/9 Remini Letter in (1) a letter to Mr. Weresow; (2) a letter to Ms. Dubuc and Mr. Buccieri; (3) a statement to be posted prominently and conspicuously on all CoS websites and related Internet pages; and (4) a press release sent to all print and electronic media outlets that ever published any or all of the substantive allegations contained in the 9/9 Remini Letter. Please copy the undersigned on all of these retraction and correction communications.

In addition, Ms. Remini now hereby further demands that the CoS forthwith pay her an additional One Million Dollars ($1,000,000.00) as at least partial compensation for the past, present and ongoing reputational, emotional and economic injuries and damages she was suffered, and continues to suffer, as a result of this latest example of the Church’s malicious conduct. Given the many millions of dollars that Ms. Remini has personally donated and otherwise contributed to the CoS over the course of many decades, this further monetary demand is exceedingly modest.

I await your prompt and comprehensive response to both this letter and my correspondence of October 26, 2016.

This letter is not intended, and should not be construed, as a complete expression of Ms. Remini’s factual or legal positions with respect to the matters addressed herein. Nothing contained in or omitted from this letter — including, without limitation, any and all other false, defamatory or otherwise tortious statements about Ms. Remini that you and/or CoS have ever disseminated — is intended, and should not be construed, as a waiver, relinquishment or other limitation upon any of Ms. Remini’s rights and/or remedies, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.

Yours sincerely,

Douglas E. Mirell of
Harder Mirell & Abrams LLP

cc: Ms. Leah Remini

 
Letter #4, from Soter to Mirell…

 

Law Offices of
Gary S. Soter
A Professional Corporation
22287 Mulholland Highway #169
Calabasas, California 91302
(323) 960-1909
FAX (818) 530-4352

EMAIL: GARYSOTER@GARYSOTERLAW.COM

November 7, 2016

Dougas E. Mirell, Esq.
Harder Mirell & Abrams LLP
132 S. Rodeo Drive
Fourth Floor
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Email: dmirell@hmafirm.com

Re: Leah Remini

Dear Mr. Mirell:

While you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts. If the goal of your letter was to interfere with the constitutional rights of the Church to express its views of your client and the facts surrounding her thirsty demand for attention, surely you know that the letter could not possibly succeed. Your attempt to rewrite history, or spin the reality of who your client is and what conduct she has engaged in will take the work of a magician, not merely a lawyer.

So that it’s clear, our client will persist in ensuring that all those interested will hear the truth about Ms. Remini and her attempts to harm the Church, and if exposing the truth harms her attempts at profiteering and reviving her professional career, so be it. So that you and she are not left to wonder, the Church will freely exercise its constitutional rights and will not be deterred by threatening, baseless letters such as yours, or the histrionics of your client and her confederates. Moreover, since we do not wish to waste resources further on this attempt at attention getting, this will be the last correspondence on the subject. Further such communications from you, or whichever lawyer Ms. Remini next seeks to enlist in her fruitless cause will be responded to simply by reference to this correspondence (hereinafter, “The Letter”). All rights are reserved.

Very truly yours,

The Law Offices of Gary S. Soter
A Professional Corporation

Gary S. Soter

 
Here are the original letters…

 

Leah Remini Demand for $500,000 from Scientology by Tony Ortega on Scribd

Scientology rejects Leah Remini's $500K demand by Tony Ortega on Scribd

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kubrickduvallVivian Kubrick shuts down her fund for Shelley Duvall

After raising more than $23,000 in just four days with a GoFundMe appeal, Scientologist Vivian Kubrick, daughter of the late film director Stanley Kubrick, shut down her fundraising effort, which she had started with the goal of raising $100,000 to help actress Shelley Duvall with her mental health problems.

Duvall had been featured on an episode of Dr. Phil which showed her struggling with severe delusions. Dr. Phil McGraw was criticized for putting Duvall on screen in such a condition, but he said he was seeking treatment for her. One of his critics was Vivian Kubrick, who then started up her fund as a way to protest McGraw’s show.

As a Scientologist, however, Vivian opposes psychiatry and the kind of care that Duvall so obviously needs. Kubrick was deleting messages to the GoFundMe page that raised this issue of a Scientologist raising money for mental health care, but then she announced that she had to shut down the fund entirely once she actually talked with Shelley Duvall’s mother…

MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE THAT DONATED but I just got off the phone with Shelley Duvall’s mother Bobbie, she explained that after her discussions with SAG-AFTRA and the fact Shelley is on government benefits, they can’t afford to accept any large donations. Understandably, they have to consider Shelly’s long term financial support. And a large amount of money, even if it was put in Trust, would effect Shelley’s Government benifits and the benifits that are available to her from SAG-AFTRA. I’m so sorry for the inconvenience, but if you made a donation, please contact GoFundMe to receive a refund of your generous and kind donation <3 REMEMBER! your loving emails and kind messages will still go to Shelley, which I'm sure, will make her very happy indeed! My LOVE to you good and kind folk! Vivian Kubrick <3 <3 <3

It was journalist Mark Ebner who first alerted us to Vivian’s fundraising effort. We asked him his thoughts on this new development.

Mark Ebner: I can’t make sense out of donations being compromised by her SAG/AFTRA plan. I also think the donations stalled after we questioned Vivian’s motives, and called out the media.

The Bunker: It did seem to slow down, yes. So apparently she started up the fund without contacting Shelley or her family?

Ebner: Sure seems that way. Wonder how she’ll handle the refunds.

The Bunker: Hey suckers, you just gave your money to a Scientologist. And now you want a refund. Guess what happens to people who want their money back from Scientology?

Actually, we trust GoFundMe will honor the refunds requests. But if you donated and you’re having trouble getting your money back, please let us know.

 
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  • sizzle8

    Leah should just threaten to sue Miscavige personally and to put him on the stand.
    In fact, she should just go ahead and do it.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2abc5f08a1ee4ef4a0544475aa676d3ff00b4bffa028386cbeefef6e2d7a0402.jpg

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Church of $cientology: How low can you go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTKj_Vd5_Bk

  • Party Hull!

    Not really in the spirit of L.Ron is it, to indignantly announce that you will have no further correspondence on the matter?

    Surely all Remini’s team has to do is reply to that letter with a few more criticisms, and then the Scientology lot are duty-bound to attack again – as per instructions from their God?

    Could turn out to be quite a fun game, and a taste of their own medicine. Keep poking the beast.

    • Draco

      They (CoS lawyers) will simply refer to “The Letter”
      I smell a meme coming on…

  • May have found the reason why Soter [cough] Shortarse is refusing to answer any more letters from Leah’s lawyers (purge all storage media and do clean system reinstall): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f65df85b8a4181cd5c570e34b9cfaeefa7160b59d263cd0dd592802cdddf5b5f.jpg

  • Jgg2012

    Ask Soter where Shelly is.

  • Draco

    “Further such communications from you, or whichever lawyer Ms. Remini next seeks to enlist in her fruitless cause will be responded to simply by reference to this correspondence (hereinafter, “The Letter”). All rights are reserved.”

    What? We aren’t allowed to use the words “The Letter” now? They reserved the rights?

    As for this sentence “…the Church will freely exercise its constitutional rights and will not be deterred by threatening, baseless letters such as yours, or the histrionics of your client and her confederates.”

    Confederates? Oh Davey. You are such a silly little man.
    Oh. And Tick fucking Tock…

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      They “will not be deterred” from doing what? Writing more letters? LOL

      $cientology lawyers – a clusterfuck of contradictions.

      • Draco

        I noticed that too. First he says CoS will do whatever it wants, then this will be the last correspondence. I thought the latter was a way of saying “We’re going to stop sending nasty letters because WE decided to, not because Leah threatened our ass.” but then I got confused…

  • Frodis73

    An update from Vivian Kubrick about her scam, er go fund me:

    MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE THAT DONATED but I just got off the phone with
    Shelley Duvall’s mother Bobbie, she explained that after her discussions
    with SAG-AFTRA and the fact Shelley is on government benefits, they
    can’t accept donations for the present. Understandably, they have to
    consider Shelly’s long term financial support.

    A large amount of money, even if it was put in Trust, would effect
    Shelley’s Government benifits and the benifits that are available to her
    from SAG-AFTRA.

    I’m so sorry for the inconvenience, but please contact GoFundMe to receive a refund of your generous and kind donation <3

    BUT remember! your loving emails and kind messages will still go to Shelley, which I'm sure, will make her very happy indeed!

    My LOVE to you good and kind folk,

    Vivian Kubrick <3 <3 <3

    First comment is from somebody that contacted go fund me for a refund and I guess they told her to contact the organization/Vivian for a refund.

    • Frodis73

      Oh, it is disturbing to me that Vivian is in touch with her mom…this means she can try and influence this situation and maybe try to use sci to help her. GAG.

      • chukicita

        Shelley Duvall is 67 years old; her mother must be nearing 90.

        • Frodis73

          I was shocked when dr phil mentioned her mom last week…she is prob worried about what will happen to Shelly when she is gone so she may even be more willing to try something crazy like sci! Ugh.

        • Rasha

          Prime target for Scientology.

          • chukicita

            Well, she might not have been consulted before her daughter appeared on Dr. Phil, but if she was, and thought it was a good idea, then her value just went up on Scientology’s Mark Scale.

    • chukicita

      So Vivian evidently did this without first exploring the impact or talking to the family?

      • Frodis73

        I am not surprised!

      • Draco

        It seems so. White knight turns into dark horse…
        Oh Jenna!

        • Mymy88

          Maybe Jenna deserves just a tiny little bit of credit here. I know she’s nutso and everything but if it came right down to it.. and someone had a gun to my head.. and I had to decide between blowing a horse or blowing (he who is orange).. I’d go with either the horse or the bullet. I’m not exactly sure which.

          I’m Just sayin… something weird and kinda thinking maybe I shouldn’t have lol.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I dunno if I’d actually blow a horse.

            But I might try getting it worked up enough so it wants to molest The Mango.

            Then I’d take the bullet.

            • Mymy88

              LMAO! I’m not liking what I’m liking because I think it might mean I’m developing a distinct sadistic twinge to my psychological makeup… Exhibit A: picturing a horse molesting The Mano and thinking it would be more than well deserved and also thinking it would be funny to boot.

              Nah, I’m going to let myself off the hook on this one.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, you’re okay. ; )

        • LongtimeLurker

          Har!

      • Observer

        She’s a Scientologist. She just knew.

    • Jimmy3

      Seems like something you work out before launching a fundraiser. But nah.

    • Observer

      That makes it not fishy at all (though I’m relieved).

      • Frodis73

        Me too and hope those people get their cash back with little to no hassle.

    • gtsix

      Which person was Vivian soliciting for? Shelley/Shelly…. youse needs some word clearing Ms. Kubrick.

  • Jgg2012

    They may have to depose Shelly about her relationship with Leah, and depose Davey about Leah’s status within the church (“about to be kicked out”) and whatever happened at TC’s wedding.

    • Golden Age of Depositions?

      • Jgg2012

        This is what they mean by drain the swamp.

    • Chee Chalker

      Mrs. Miscavige. Are you currently married to David Miscavige?
      Are you aware of the rumors that he no longer considers himself to be married to you?
      Are you aware of the rumors of his alleged close relationship with his assistant (COB TOP DOG or whatever acronym they use to describe his ‘assistant’)
      Where do you live?
      How long has it been since you lived in the same quarters (town, zip code) as your husband?
      You were a pivotal part of your husband’s executive staff for 20 years. Are you still considered part of RTC? Of RTC COB Exec Strata (again, or whatever acronym they use)

      How long has it been since you have been at a public CoS event?
      Why has it been so many years?

      Do you have access to the internet?
      Were you aware many people are concerned about your whereabouts?
      Who do you keep in touch with on a regular basis?

      Wow oh wow are there a million questions to ask her. This could be COB’s biggest foot bullet yet!

      Habeas corpus! Bring forth the body!!

      • sizzle8

        The questions about Miscavige’s assistant should be…interesting!
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/529285a0716b5c141c2021990c1b26cb82e4e12db7a53683784ec52b9e62590d.jpg

        • Sherbet

          “Lou Schtuppnbrat”

        • Chee Chalker

          Lou Schtuppnbrat?! Did you make that up?

          😂!

          • sizzle8

            blush….

      • Frodis73

        That would be a thing of beauty…esp the ones about who have you been in contact with and have you been to any events. She could lie about other stuff, but not those types where others are involved.

      • Jgg2012

        Mr. Miscavige, if you walked into any org and told the clerk to hand you all the money in the cash register, would they do it? They did? When?
        Mr. Miscavige, do you tape confessions? What was in Ms. Remini’s confession folder? How about Tom Cruise’s?
        Mr. Miscavige, have you met a perfect clear? Do you have any super powers?
        Where’s Shelly?

  • Very smart. Prediction: More horrible publicity for the bully cult and Leah wins a bunch of loot.

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy3

      oh oh oh oh !!!
      theres a swig left in that Yoohoo! Grab dat

      • flyonthewall

        that’s just bum pee

        • Jimmy3

          You say that like bum pee is any worse than regular pee. I’m tired of people like you putting bums down all the time.

          • flyonthewall

            well it is. They don’t drink enough water so it’s always very dark and stinky, not good.

            • Jimmy3

              Oh, that’s right. I forgot you have studied bum pee extensively.

            • flyonthewall

              i’m a renaissance fly

      • Newiga

        It’s BT urine. I know it’s easy to mix with Yoohoo due to similar coloring and texture. But that’s BT urine for sure.

  • beetee

    That is our Leah!!

    Troublemaker?

    Nope!

    Fucking Humanitarian with Fucking HONORS!!

  • Laursaurus

    Throwing my comment into the ether.
    Still smearing Leah Remini?
    Guess L. Ron didn’t impart the wisdom of just shutting up to avoid saying even more embarrassing comments?
    Better luck attacking an unsavory former member ( we’d still think it is BS). But Leah Remini? Are you insane? She’s a sweetheart! You just make even bigger asses of yourselves!

  • gtsix

    “….only goal has been to share the truths about Scientology they have come to learn and understand — truths borne out by her own very personal experiences and those of other former CoS adherents, many of whom held positions of authority and prominence within the Church hierarchy. The fact that these truths are often stunning and shocking does not render [a person] an “anti-Scientologist.” Their sole desire is to shed light upon and counteract the Church’s tactics of bullying and intimidation that for too long have deterred and prevented journalists and others from telling the truth about the CoS and its actual practices.”

    There are a couple more people Mr. Mirell could send this to as well.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      This is a very important point to keep in mind because we’ve seen this effort to brand everyone who’s been abused by the cherch and stood up for themselves against it as being anti-scientologists previewed on another $cn-related blog site not very long ago, haven’t we?

      That purposefully orchestrated campaign to lump everyone who has objected to the cherch’s current leadership’s actions and treatment of parishioners as if they also, necessarily, opposed $cn as a religion was a blatantly obvious strawman fallacy. Yet, when I and others called it for what it was and tried to spell out exactly what the important differences are between being against $cn as a religion and speaking out against the crimes and abuses of the cherch’s current leadership, we were censored and that discussion curtailed for no apparent or credible reason at the time.

      Whenever the cherch feels itself under attack for its vile policies of disconnection and Fair Game, it tries to portray itself as if it were under attack by a mob of religious bigots. And that’s exactly the bogus stance that you’re very likely to see them trotting out here as Leah’s series airs. Yet, it’s pretty difficult to cast long-time cherch members who’ve donated hundreds of thousands to the cherch and devoted decades of work to it for prison industry wages as being religious bigots. So, that’s where the smear campaign against Tony Ortega and other “ASC royalty” crap comes in. These ex-members will be portrayed as gullible followers of some dark atheist conspiracy led by Tony, Karen, Jeffery and others, with aspersions cast about their likely sources of income from the Evil Psychs, Big Pharma, human trafficking profiteers and (for $cilon eyes only) even those damn Marcabians 😉

      In addition, the other defensive strategy that you’re also very likely to see them utilize in the wake of the premier of Leah’s cult expose series will be to exaggerate the size of the cherch’s membership world-wide, while minimizing the number of ex-members who are aggrieved over the issue of disconnection. In this way, even if you believe the ex-members stories and see them as sincere, the supposedly small number of these disaffected members relative to the purported huge overall cherch’s membership makes each of their cases seem like just anomalies that don’t reflect the norm.

      Indeed, a wily and intelligent cult leader might have figured out how best to lean into that strategy by preemptively contacting each of the individuals who will be featured on Leah’s series and acting as if the cherch was concerned and ready to take measures to correct what was (cough) obviously just the result of mistakes and miscommunications at lower levels of the cherch in isolated incidences that everyone is very, very sorry about. Apparently, though, when you’re a killer cult who’s been committing serious crimes and massive human rights abuses with impunity for decades, it just never occurs to you that things might have changed and your luck’s run out…tick tock, lil davey

      • LongtimeLurker

        Good comment.

      • gtsix

        I sure do love reading your posts.

        Tick tock indeed.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Thanks, I appreciate your efforts as well!

  • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83289292542b607000aef95a59c1abc956f1cddc9c36514aea345d9df7356ff1.jpg

    How utterly hypocritical.
    Scientology pretending that Government resources were being wasted by Leah Remini’s report to LAPD.
    NO ONE WASTES GOVERNMENT RESOURCES MORE THAN TAX FREE SCIENTOLOGY. Anonymous phone calls for decades to Law enforcement to target their enemies. Scotland Yard interviewed interviewed Russell Miller, author of “Bare Faced Messiah” that they had received an anonymous tip that he was an *axe murderer* !
    Some 3 years ago, the Cult’s dark secret Office of Special Affairs made reports to the city of Los Angeles that
    1) I live in such horrible unhealthy conditions that the entire neighborhood could get ill and die of the Plague or some such !!! (Health department showed up)
    (Notwithstanding camera crew after after camera crew from various media return to use my home)
    2)That I torture my pets. (Animal Control showed up)
    These reports were cut and past from their hate websites.
    Ray Jeffrey, my lawyer, intervened by helping us write this letter.

    RESULT:
    District Attorney’s office let all agencies know of Scientology malfeasance and red flagged our address so all further complaints would be ignored as CULT tactics. The City of LA was all too aware of their black bag job operations to target those who expose them.

    July 24, 2013

    Re: Scientology’s
    Misuse of Local Government for Harassment
    Mike Feuer, Esq.
    Los Angeles City Attorney
    1945 S Hill St # 501
    Los Angeles

    Office of the County Counsel
    County of Los Angeles
    648 Kenneth Hahn Hall of
    Administration
    500 West Temple Street,Los Angeles,

    CA 90012
    District Attorney’s Office
    County of Los Angeles
    210 West Temple Street, Suite
    18000
    Los Angeles, CA
    90012-3210
    Dear Counsel,

    We need your help. We find ourselves in a bizarre and unfair predicament because we are considered as
    “enemies” by the Church of Scientology, which has targeted us with a campaign of
    harassment. This would be of no official concern to you, except for the fact
    that Scientology is misusing our local governmental agencies as unwitting
    participants in the harassment. We are sure that you would not approve of such
    activity.

    We are former Scientologists who have spoken out about what we consider to be abuses within
    Scientology. More importantly, however, we are solid, law-abiding, tax-paying
    citizens of Los Angeles. We have a successful fine-art dealership and we live in
    a lovely home in a respectable neighborhood.

    By any objective measure, we should be of no concern to our local authorities. We obey the law
    and want to be left in peace. To our distress, the Scientologists are wasting
    the time and resources of local law enforcement personnel with completely false
    reports of illegal activity at our home. We receive unexpected, unnerving visits
    from inspectors, who find absolutely nothing wrong and that their time has been
    wasted. We want to stress that these officials have behaved politely and
    sympathetically in their dealings with us, and we do not blame them for being
    misused by the Scientologists.

    As strange as it sounds, Scientology operatives have gone door-to-door in our neighborhood,
    asking our neighbors if they are aware of any illegal or immoral activity going
    on at our home. This ploy has failed because our neighbors know that we are good
    people, and that these inquiries are so sleazy. Having failed to dig up any
    “dirt” on us, the Scientologists have begun making completely false reports to
    our local agencies, such as:
    1) A false report to the Los Angeles City Clerk’s office, accusing us of operating an
    illegal “boarding house”. We live in a nice, single-family home. We do not have
    boarders or operate a boarding house. This would be no different than if you
    were accused of such a thing.

    2) A false report to the Los Angeles County Public Health Department, claiming that
    our home is infested with vermin and filled with animal droppings – rats
    scurrying around our house, and pet birds depositing their waste everywhere!
    Aside from being false, this allegation is embarrassing and insulting.

    3) A false report to the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, Los
    Angeles, alleging mistreatment of our valuable exotic birds. As the uniformed
    officer saw, our birds are cherished pets kept in excellent
    conditions.

    As citizens, and as the innocent victims of these malicious reports, we are outraged at the
    Scientologists’ misuse of our local government. Of course, you will ask how we
    know that these reports came from Scientology operatives. The easiest proof is
    to compare the false report with the following “attack website” sponsored by the
    Church of Scientology:
    http://karendelacarriere.com/articles/karen-de-la-carriere-maids-day-off.html
    Sadly, these are all
    classic Scientology harassment tactics that waste taxpayer dollars and the time
    of City and County employees.
    We are most anxious to
    put an end to this harassment and we are fully prepared to cooperate with your
    offices and participate in any way in the investigation of this matter.
    We would be most appreciative if you could notify your various City and County departments with
    enforcement obligations that complaints received concerning either of us, Karen
    de la Carrieré or Jeffrey Augustine, or our residence at 1935 N. Serrano Ave,
    Los Angeles, CA 90027, are suspect and may be part of a pattern and practice of
    harassment fostered by the Church of Scientology. Anything you can do to help us
    would be appreciated.
    Please do not hesitate to have any members of your staff contact us direction. We may be reached at the
    following telephone number and email addresses:
    jeffreyaugustine@gmail.com
    karendelac@gmail.com

    Sincerely,

    Karen de la Carrieré
    and Jeffrey Augustine

    Attachments:

    Letter from the City Clerk in response to the
    false complaint that we operate a boarding house.
    Business cards of the County and SPCALA
    inspectors who came to our home.

    RESULT : We received a letter from the District Attorney’s office, confirming all agencies had been informed of Scientology Inc tactics on me ~~ they were well informed of Scientology’s black bag job operations. All harrassment ceased.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Karen, that is Ray in the picture with you isn’t it? Just seeing him makes me smile. 😊

      • Yes, Ray and me at San Antonio Airport. 🙂

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          He remains my spirit animal. It’s great to see you both so happy. ❤️

    • So cool and perfect handling…

    • Harpoona Frittata

      It’s almost axiomatic with $cn that whatever they’re falsely accusing others of is exactly what they’re guilty of themselves! And the more the cherch perceives you as a threat, the more harassment, false reports to governmental agencies, surveillance, dirty tricks, etc. that you can expect to receive from them.

      Given that this type of vigilante, “law unto themselves” behavior is scripturally decreed by the founder, and that all pronouncements by Elron must always and forever be carried out exactly by every Good Scientologist, their similar treatment of hundreds, if not thousands, of others in exactly this manner has become their unique trademark and can be easily discerned in every single instance that the authorities might care to investigate.

      The cherch’s secret police arm, the OSA, thinks it’s too clever by half by phoning in these false reports anonymously. But just because they may be able to escape criminal prosecution and civil liability by engaging in this kind of cowardly harassment, that doesn’t mean that they won’t be convicted in the court of public opinion as the wider pattern of their malign behavior becomes more and more well known. And Leah’s upcoming series is very likely to do just that.

      • This post is right on the nose. They ALWAYS accuse others of what they themselves are doing. They are the *Masters* at harassment, so they call out Leah as harassing them. They have called in false reports to Law enforcement for DECADES, and when Leah reports missing Shelly to Law Enforcement they howl like a pack of wolves.
        Hubbard said that when someone crosses Scientology he could make Captain Bligh appear like a Sunday School Teacher, meaning his ferocity, viciousness and cruelty would be a lot worse.
        Captain Bligh was so inhumane and ruthless that his ship had the famous “Mutiny on the Bounty”

    • I am jammed on Christmas Season and did not complete a sentence above due to multi-tasking (LOL)
      Here is the completed sentence that I omitted above
      Scotland Yard interviewed Russell Miller, author of “Bare Faced Messiah” that they had received an anonymous tip that he was an *axe murderer* !
      The cult of Scientology wasted Scotland Yard work while they interviewed Russell Miller who was merely writing a book on Hubbard and Scientology.

  • nottrue
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Our Nolly <3

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        ❤️💋❤️

        • Jimmy3

          Too much genitalia

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            There’s never too much of that Jimmy. 😀

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      😘❤️😊

      You rock too my friend. XOXOX

  • Tony Ortega

    Note about the Vivian Kubrick/Shelley Duvall development added to the post.

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you Tony.I am careful with GoFund stuff.I did donate to Phil Jones & his wife for the billboard in Clearwater.Would do it again in a 💗 Miscavige.

    • omg! this is big

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Frodis73

      I love it.

    • daisy

      biggesst laugh of the day when i needed it .Lov you doll, continue to nuisecess them with your fun,

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        There have been so many excellent memes since Doomsday but this one made me laugh out loud 😀

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey, it’s Daisy!

        You okay?

        • daisy

          Awww sweety I am just fine I just had a few appointments . Hope you are ok too.

    • Jimmy3

      And then LeBron James landed the plane safely.

      • kemist

        I thought that was John Travolta.

    • flyonthewall
    • LongtimeLurker

      Is it only me who pictures Alec Baldwin’s version whenever imagining Trump?

    • JJ

      Pahahahahahaaaa!

    • RRozsa

      I wondered when that old joke would finally be transformed by someone into a Donald Trump joke. But what does it have to do with Scientology?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        The “OT” at the start of my post signifies that an off-topic comment follows 🙂 We try hard to keep comments here on topic but later in the day, once it’s assumed that most people have read the main comments, we relax a bit.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    What I think about ‘her aggressive stance’. I absolutely Love it. Such courage is outstanding and the right thing to do.
    Bravo Leah! Carry on, and know you have all our hearts also everyone’s back.

    You can do what most of us only wish we could. Thank you so very much, dearest Leah!

  • nottrue
  • downtherabbithole

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

    I am guessing Vivian never learned this life lesson.

    • downtherabbithole

      Do these people have no shame ?

      • shame is not on the Tone Scale

        • downtherabbithole

          going back to my happy place with the thought of Leah giving the church as much hell as she can muster (on my tone scale –
          off the charts)

          • he he… i am with you… sometimes there is good news!

        • OOkpik

          You’ll find it at -0.2 on The Tone Scale in Full.
          COB’s comfort zone is Blame which is even lower at -1.0

  • Kim O’Brien

    Quick survey ….there is a old clock tower right in downtown Denver …great place inside that has burlesque shows …they rent out space that is a conversation piece all on it’s own . Thought it might be a fun spot ( no burlesque included 😉 since there is a stage for a speaker . Thoughts ? ( refresh ) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1e510488d09f7d6ffbc4ce2a1cbefd7b47b8971412b9e266bfed59255e851e5.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      why no burlesque?

    • Kim O’Brien

      too much ?

      • flyonthewall

        i think it looks awesome

    • Chee Chalker

      I think it looks pretty 😎

    • LongtimeLurker

      My thoughts are…RONDAMMIT! I wanna come!!!! Waaaaah!

      That looks lovely.

      • Kim O’Brien

        lottery…lottery…lottery…

        • LongtimeLurker

          : )

  • cinfrance

    And whatever happened to VaLLarrr?

  • itsIBBy

    Leah is a boss bitch. That is all. *thumbs up*

    • Juicer77

      As a woman who thinks “boss bitch” can be a good thing at times (and this is definitely one of them), I say – all power to you, Leah! Go get ’em!

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    With Leah now TURNING THE TABLES on Scientology like never before, I just have to think of this 1964 Stones hit:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0OXxHyCJnU&list=LLE5AXz6WwQVTCVFRFoOpa9w&index=1

    • Sherbet

      Hey, there’s Keith Richards before he passed away and got embalmed.

      • Scott H

        Not his usual “Keith what a healthy shade of blue you are”.

  • Frank LaForchine

    Excellent article.

  • Juicer77

    Nice sidestep lame excuse shutdown of the GoFundMe by Ms. Kubrick. I bet her phone rang and it was Lou Stuckenbrock shouting at her for being stupid, with the sound of shattering bottles in the background.

  • Juicer77

    This is a smart move on Leah Remini’s part. Fire back at the Co$ in the same nasty way. As people have said downthread, she is holding a mirror up to them and they can’t see it yet. Also, as Once_Born pointed out, there is no need to actually file a lawsuit. These letters are now a matter of public record, more damning than any court case can be.
    By the way, the Co$ is famous for delay tactics when it gets sued. But if the Co$ sues someone, is the tactic the same? Have there been cases where the Co$ was the plaintiff?

    • gtsix

      Weren’t they a lot? And the tactics don’t change. When they sued Gerry Armstrong that was something like a 20 year case.

    • Missionary Kid

      The reason they can’t see anything in the mirror is because they’re vampires.

      • Juicer77

        O.o

  • nottrue

    How many people have you killed..That guy would be good in a Wrong Turn movie… …https://youtu.be/BDkRRIlG5mM

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    I am aware of a person who bought a new small car for their friend. Since she was on welfare the new car would be considered an asset and disqualify her getting benefits. The car had to be returned to the dealer and she retained her old car with new tires instead. Good intentions are not always the best of help.

  • Liberated

    OT…Just returned from Half-Price Books, one of my favorite places especially the “cult” section of the store. There was a copy of Bare Faced Messiah which I haven’t seen since the 90’s when I bought it along with madman / messiah….piece of blue sky…religion inc.
    I’ve always been proud of my score.
    There was also a copy of L Wright’s book, but what really caught my eye was several hard-bound copies of LRH books…new slant on life…8-800…several others and I could tell someone had purchased them with something else in mind other than reselling them to a used book store…they were inscribed with names and dates in pencil.
    At least this disillusioned soul got a buck or two out of them, I threw all my stuff in the trash bin.
    I didn’t want some young impressionable mind becoming hooked.

    ps…I’ve got Leah’s show set to record!

    • LongtimeLurker

      That’s odd. I wonder what the significance of the dates is.

      • Liberated

        I suppose that was when he bought them….didn’t recognize the name.
        Around these parts anyone that was in the cult you sorta new of them or heard their name.
        There’s an OT 8 living 45 m. north of me…god I’d love to run into her…it would not be pretty.

        • LongtimeLurker

          She’s probably using her powers to stay the heck out of your way. ; )

          • Liberated

            She’s so arrogant….never in a million years would she admit to wrongdoing or that Scientology really is a destructive cult.

            Silly question..can the cold affect disqus?
            It’s going nuts. How cold does it get in your world?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Everything affects Disqus.

              In winter…30s? Lower out of the city.

              We’re coming into summer, and on the really hot nights it won’t drop below the 70s.

            • Liberated

              Well we’re coming into winter.

              Is this opposite season thing going to affect our relationship?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I think it will only enhance it.

  • OOkpik

    So Vivian Kubrick was finally forced to reveal her GoFundMe caper to Shelley’s Mom, Bobbie. Then she slithers off into the gloom with her tail between her legs, blowing kisses over her shoulder and leaving the mess for GoFundMe to clean up.

    Scientology, anyone?

    • LongtimeLurker

      Nice visual!

      • OOkpik

        Thanks, Lurker.
        I’m generally a benefit-of-the-doubt kind of person – but I have my limits.

        • LongtimeLurker

          She certainly seems to have confirmed our worst suspicions.

          Hopefully Shelley will get the help she needs, undistracted by Vivian’s shenanigans.

          eta – undistracted

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Perhaps we should extend that kind wish to Vivian as well, seeing as how lil davey the savage is likely to have become quite disgruntled over the flap that she caused for the cult with her little GoFundMe stunt.

            Let’s hope that Leah’s post-turkey day series premiere will re-gruntle him 😉

  • J. Swift

    To borrow a phrase from CNN’s Jake Tapper, one could say that Leah Remini is living rent-free in David Miscavige’s head.

    From Charlie Spiering’s article Donald Trump is living rent-free in President Barack Obama’s head:

    “One of the grandest ironies of this political year is that a giant real estate developer in New York is currently living rent-free in President Obama’s head,” CNN’s Jake Tapper noted on Wednesday, after Obama delivered a six-minute lecture on whether Donald Trump was a populist.

    Leah Remini obviously got into David Miscavige’s head several years ago when she filed her missing person’s report on Shelly. David Miscavige cannot get Leah out of his head and has become the effect of Leah. I can say this because Miscavige has expended enormous energy to attack Leah Remini obsessively.

    Looking at this from the outside, David Miscavige is literally a stalker. Miscavige is stalking Leah obsessively and is using his proxies to do so as he himself lacks the huevos to actually confront Leah or anyone else.

    When Freedom Rag reporter the late Jim Lynch came to our house a few years ago, I told him that if David Miscavige had anything to say to Karen or I he could come and say it to our faces or else I would thank Mr. Miscavige to STFU. David Miscavige has never appeared at our home to say anything to Karen and I because he is a petty little bitch as Mareka Backus so cogently noted.

    • So Leah is practically inside Miscavige and Miscavige is stalking Leah. That’s some Cognitive Dissonance right there! so to speak.

    • I’m favoring the term “punk ass bitch” lately.

    • ze moo

      “petty, whiny, little bitch” and he has small hands.

  • Rasha

    Steppin’ out of the Bunker to start Phase One of the Stuffing….. Muahahahaha….. Tomorrow, it’s Shaggy Dogs and Rearranging the Furniture. Lata!

    • We are going back to the furniture! –Doc

      • Rasha

        Woah. That’s heavy, Doc.

        • Heavy?!? There is that word again! Heavy…

          • OOkpik

            Deep, profound, impressive, really good, etc..
            Often sarcastic.

            • 🙂 someone is understanding me!

      • LongtimeLurker

        …you are strange…

  • Bob Crouch

    Of course, this is nothing but speculation, albeit of the informed kind: I suspect that the cult was on to Ms. Kubrick’s fund raiser and that it brought all kinds of unwanted attention to their ludicrous ideas about mental health. So they made her pull the plug. After all, what’s the point now that there was way too much attention for them to pull a fast one.

    Of course, this is just a guess based on their regular M.O.

    • chukicita

      Or maybe Ms. Duvall’s family told her to back off.

      • Bob Crouch

        Truth be told: Your guess is any bit as good as mine. Maybe, one of these days Tony will dig up the real poop on this. In any event, this has been a truly saddening media spectacle.

  • exccla

    The fuck you to the cherch from Leah and A&E just got a bit worse. There is a wonderful full page colored ad in the back inside cover of this week’s Entertainment Weekly for the show.It says “this show will tell stories the church of scientology says are lies. Stories you should hear.”
    Remember it starts Tuesday Nov. 29, 10p.m.p.t. and 9 c.

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    1.5 million ?
    I would have liked it if she would have gone for 10 million !

    • chukicita

      She could get there. All they need to do is keep harassing her.

    • Rasha

      Leah: “1.5 mil.”
      Soter (“A Professional Law Person”): “You’re a has-been attention whore!”
      Leah: “2 mil.”
      Soter (“A Real Law Guy, Really”): “You’re a poopyhead. This is my last letter.”
      Leah: “3”
      Soter (“No, Really, an Honest-to-Goodness Legal Corporation, Really Big!”): “No more letters from me, you probably kill babies and do drugs. Baby drugs. So there. No more letters.”
      Leah: “4.5. Keep it comin’.”
      Soter (“Don’t Even TRY to Imagine how Real and Professional My Law Firm Is – We’re Corporate!”): “I’m not even gonna reply. You’re dumb and a girl and stuff! NYAH HYAH! NO MORE LETTERS TO YOU!”
      Leah: “Hah. 5.”

      …and so on….

  • littlefish

    THE CHUTZPAH! THE SHEER CHUTZPAH OF THIS WOMAN.

    I haven’t even read the article yet, just the headline and I had to come comment that.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Recipe for Lurker’s tasty Turkey à la BLEVE.

    Note; feel free to vary the firefighter quantities.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7gn895y4wkc

  • This is the moment when Tom Cruise should accept the mission and write another check.

  • Observer

    From the letter to “Karin Pouw”:

    I will leave those tasks to other persons, other times, and other forums.

    Not…fora?!

    • chukicita

      From wordform:

      “The current entry from the Oxford Dictionary says: The plural of forum is usually spelled forums; the plural fora (as in the original Latin) is chiefly used when talking about a public square in an ancient Roman city.”

      • Observer

        (that was a poke at He Whom I Shall Not Name, who uses “fora”)

        • chukicita

          That went right over my head. 😀

    • Chee Chalker

      Comment of the day!

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    What are the point of these?

    I bought three pairs by mistake.

    I’m angry, and my ankles are cold.

    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fec9a99e7e436cffb89d7cced285882b0e6613dc065b0a3fbc041ccb058d08cc.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      nice healthy looking vein though

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s just me. I’m very vascular. All over.

        You should see my
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        what’s wrong with you people?

        • flyonthewall

          what? Your neck? Idk, they have problems

          • LongtimeLurker

            My arms. I can do this thing where they go from flat and normal to looking like a…a…very veiny arm.

            I needed a metaphor there.

        • Frodis73

          snciker

          • LongtimeLurker

            ; p

        • noseinabk

          httphttp://www.reactiongifs.com/r/lucille-portable.gif//www.reactiongifs.com/r/lucille-portable.gif

    • Rasha

      Those are feet. You should have noticed them before. Remember not falling over earlier? That was those. Funny – you did a good job of protecting them, though…..

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s why the not falling over?!

        Rasha smart.

        • Rasha

          LURKER GET UPVOTE ROCK. NOT FALL OVER.

    • iampissed

      Shut up you have wombats.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Alright, fair point. First World problems. Shut up Lurker.

    • dungeon master

      I would suggest you wear them in the summer time with your tennis shoes, or with your jammies to keep your feet warm. They pick up pet hair quite nicely. I would not recommend you wear them with boots. They tend to ball up under your arch, then you end up with chafed ankles and angry arches. FWIW.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Well…I wasn’t expecting anything that informative.

        Thank you.

        Less angry now.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Hmm… so that’s an average of 100 clears per month. Worldwide! And many were clear already and are now stuck in the rinse and repeat cycle. SMH
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e32923f8dcac016dd9b2c8ac98d4fe6384bec683e8aaa626bd7f2b836c70afa.png

    • Harpoona Frittata

      So funny! “Look ma, I’m clear AGAIN!”

    • LongtimeLurker

      “It’s amazing, so many ppl going Clear now.” Nope.

      Can anyone tell me what a “tech page” is?

      • grundoon

        Gofers who shuttle the PC folders between auditors, C/S, and storage.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks grundoon!

  • Rasha
    • Observer

      Good luck!

      • Rasha

        So far so good. Cubed, seasoned and drying now….. ^_^

    • flyonthewall

      that is a nice cutting board and counter top!

      • Rasha

        Can’t wait to taste them!

        • flyonthewall

          ever think about using those loaves as pillows? Can I see the rest of your house?

          • Rasha

            Yes! No! But I’ll post the Shaggy Dogs when they’re ready….

            • flyonthewall

              can I see in your fridge at least?

            • Rasha

              Oh, ack. No. That’s my cleaning project tomorrow night. I don’t even want to see it at this stage……

              Wait. For. The. Shaggy. Dogs. Fly. Go play on the Wii until they’re done. Finish your Mii.

            • flyonthewall

              rrmmph! Ok

            • Rasha

              (turns back to prep)…. okay. Now where is that Cabernet Sauvignon tarragon?…….

            • noseinabk

              Haha. If only we could all be like my granddaughter. She just boldly walks in and opens anything she can reach. If it is boring she closes the cabinet with a “hmmm” like this is good but not good enough, and if it looks interesting she removes all the items, examines them ,sometimes tastes them, and leaves them on the floor. Opening the fridge within a few feet of her is a challenge to get what you need before she starts running to it.

            • flyonthewall

              weirdo kids. My sibling had a thing where they had to use the bathroom as soon as we got to the store. Anywhere we went, had to check out their bathroom first.

            • noseinabk

              Yep. When I was a kid I found people’s pantries interesting. We didn’t stock up on food and I thought it was very lavish to have the space and money to have all that stuff neatly stored away. Kids are weird but I love the curiosity they show in the most mundane things.

            • Rasha

              I know someone like that. Doesn’t make it first priority, but def judges a place by the bathroom.

            • noseinabk

              Forgot to add that when I’m sixty or so I plan to be a little off so I can get away with this kind of behavior.

            • flyonthewall

              just one of many perks of being not young 😉

    • That’s a lot of bread.

      • Rasha

        Yup. Reduces well, though, when they dry and soak up the other ingredients. I use a bit for inside the bird, and just bake the rest. Makes a difference. Plus, I have a couple dozen guests, so can’t be too conservative on the stuffing….

        • Frodis73

          Yum. You can never have too much stuffing.

          • Rasha

            Nope! When I was wee, I made the stuffing for my huge family each year. It was very different (very simple) than now, but I still have a big group to make it for, and it’s kind of a really personal process. It’s got memories attached to it. ^_^

            • noseinabk

              Ditto on that. We make a simple sage stuffing and the only recipe we go by is smell and texture. My mom would have me at the counter to smell it after each stir and spice addition. When it was almost ready she would explain how it needed to hold together when squeezed so it didn’t dry out in a baking pan. This is one of the simple recipes I won’t put in my book for the kids. They need to participate and pay attention if they want to cook that one.

            • Rasha

              ^^^^^^^_^

            • Frodis73

              That is my number one favorite. Just a simple sage dressing…and it smells sooooo darn good. I want some right now.

            • noseinabk

              This is my number one favorite leftover. My youngest and I eat chunks of it cold for days. I am making regular stuffing but I am also trying a low carb bread stuffing for the first time for my oldest and I. I hope it turns out because I’m three months in on low carbs and that stuffing is my first real temptation.

            • Frodis73

              I did lc for about 3 years and it was great. So, if you don’t lc for the day it will be okay and just go back to it the next day. I used to plan “cheat” days a few times a month to indulge in certain things. That said, let me know how your stuffing turns out. They have made lots advancements to make it easier to do.

            • noseinabk

              Since I am this far in I don’t worry about the small amount of flour in the gravy and can enjoy that with my turkey and skin. I am making cauliflower mash for the oldest and I since the mash potato is her thing she would feel deprived of. My only hang-up was the stuffing so I am making an alternative for me and being a jerk to everyone else by making less of the regular stuffing so we don’t have as many leftovers to temp me.
              We always do a veggie dip with meat and chease platter early in the day so nothing changes there.
              There are so many new food items and recipes now for low carb than there were a few years ago. Halo top Ice cream is a new one that I had for desert tonight. I know many people say to have a carb day but after losing 22 pounds since Sept. those carbs are not as appetizing anymore.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Good on ya!! That’s amazing!!!

            • noseinabk

              Thanks.

            • Frodis73

              It is amazing how your taste buds seem to totally change. I was (well am now again) a Pepsi junkie…about a month or so after low carbing I took a swig and gagged at how sickly sweet it was! It really does change things big time. I lost aprox 70 in less then a year and it was great. If I could afford it I would go back to it.

            • Rasha

              Stuffing gets so much better a day or so later. I make fresh gravy to pour over…

            • Rasha

              There are some things like that which are so much more than ingredients and instruction. There are voices, angles of sunlight through fogged windows, familiar utensils… feelings. No matter how crude I made it, Dad always said it was the best I ever made. He would have liked it anyway, but I like to think this year’s will be the best yet. ^_^

            • ExCult.Jan

              Edit, moved reply to noseinabk, not sure how I screwed that up, but you’re amazing, too, Rasha!!

            • Rasha

              Hehe! ^_^

        • noseinabk

          Scary story time :
          I was chit-chating with the checkout lady at the grocery store and she said ” I don’t bother with all that, I use the stove top stuffing from the box.”
          *shivers*

          • Rasha

            “Guh-YUK! And fer X-Mas, I jes’ shine one of them perjecter lights on the haouse. Got a X-Mas tree decal fer the winda, too!” spit – DING!!

            • noseinabk

              Loser. yaa gotta git all the blow up inflatables goin at de same time as the multi colored lights ya use for Ma’s old truck thets sittin on the hubcaps out frunt.

            • Rasha

              Wail, shoot! I wuz waiting fer thet thar new-fangled mahkowave Thank-yall Dinner diner plate to cook on the fahr…

            • noseinabk

              I have no idea what you said and cracking up anyway.

          • Rasha

            *shudder*

      • LongtimeLurker

        Do the Dodos Thanksgiving, Dodo?

        • We do a little. And we like delicious food.

          • Rasha

            In the Spring, Rasha will make a mini-Thanksgiving-type dinner, using a Cornish hen, but with most of the side dishes, simply because I like them, and it’s fun, and good practice. I like incorporating new ideas from other cultures, too. FOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!! ^_^

          • LongtimeLurker

            Me also. : )

    • Vaquera

      What else do you add? Our traditional is cornbread and sausage. It’s a southern thang.

      • Rasha

        Before drying, I season it with salt, pepper, oregano, tarragon, paprika, and…. well, it changes all the time…. When it’s all dry and ready, I add minced apple, onion, mushroom, ham and bologna, one tube of breakfast sausage, then an egg and chicken broth, then toss, letting it soak up all the wonderfulness.

        Pretty simple. ^_^

        • Vaquera

          Nice. Ham and bologna is a twist I’ve not heard before now.
          I just finished the sweet potato soup,…that way we can have mashed potatoes with the main course.

          • Rasha

            Oooooooooo………

          • Rasha

            …thang…. ^_^

    • JJ

      Dammit I thought that was some reference for Trump taking the insides of the bread and leaving the crusts for the rest of us ala Juba.

      • Rasha

        Well, Rasha says he can go and get stuffed, if that helps…..

    • LongtimeLurker

      Rasha, this is just sad.

      I’ll buy you real Lego, okay?

      • Rasha

        …….what do you mean — “real“…?

  • ze moo

    Retweeted From Tony’s Tweets shown above.

    Chris Sacca ✔ @sacca
    “And there you have it. @realDonaldTrump making clear that he intends to use his office and our country to make him rich.”

    Make him richer Chris. Wait for Trumpys reality show on the Fox network, Real house Wifes of the House of Representatives.

    So Vivian Kubrick pulls the gofundme page when her clam connection becomes known and uses the excuse about Shelly’s union benefits. Bullshit on that. Her union benefits are not governed by her financial status. Her government benefits are governed by her financial status. So as Politifact would say, 1/2 true. That’s pretty good for a $cientologist.

    • Frodis73

      And Trump sounds like Nixon. He is going to loot this country. The nightmare is never ending.

      • JJ

        Just beginning is the scary bit. BUT and it is a big BUT. I am wondering if he does hit something that is illegal, and not JUST unethical there is literal impeachment, which means we’d end up with the Pencer, all bile, no, what was it Putin called Trump?: glistening, shattering, shiny, sparkly…?

        • edge

          There’s things that too many people let slide as “Trump being Trump”. Letting Ivanka sit in on his phone conversation with the Argentine president, for one. Not setting aside his business holdings in a blind trust while he’s POTUS, for another. He lost the popular vote by over a million and a half votes, he’s virtually guaranteed to be the most disliked President at the time of swearing-in (no honeymoon period, it seems), and I think there will be a point where even his most ardent Republican fanboys will have said enough is enough.

          • Frodis73

            All these little things he is doing is just pushing it further for the next person too (if he doesn’t end up prez for life-OMFG). If B Clinton, Hillary or Obama would have had a kid sit in on a meeting or a phone call the reaction from the GOP would have been off the charts. They act so concerned about ethics, pay to play, lying, etc as being so gd important but then they throw it all out the window for this asshole? You have got to be kidding me. If they ever use the word MORAL to me again, I swear I will lose my shit. I seriously feel like my country died (or is dying). Things will never be the same and Trump is the flashpoint. I fear a lot of this is irreversible.
            Btw, just read HRC is on track to win by an estimated 2.4 million votes. RESIST!!!!

            • Mymy88

              Speaking of going to lose your shit… I have been in the process of losing my shit ever since November 9th and I have no intention of giving up until all of my shit has been lost lol. RESIST!

              Edited (Nov 9th, not 11th)

            • Frodis73

              I am with ya 100%.

        • Liberated

          Dictators don’t leave.
          He’ll have plenty of people backing him up…no matter what he does.

          The only hope I can find is the delagates don’t count their final votes till dec. 19 and there’s a petition to request the electoral college to vote for the candidate with the most votes HC.

          Go to change.org

      • Robert Eckert

        Well, Nixon wasn’t interested in grabbing money. That was something he was proud of, that he hadn’t sunk to that level of graft. When he said “I am not a crook” that was what he meant.

        • Frodis73

          I wasn’t really clear there…I was referring to Nixon saying it is not illegal when the prez does it. DT said something very similar regarding his numerous conflicts of interest. I know Nixon didn’t engage in money stuff.

          • Robert Eckert
            • Frodis73

              Yep, that’s the quote. I wish I could remember trump’s actual words but is was so similar. I can’t stomach going to look for it right now either. Lol.

  • AntoniaW

    Presumably all Miscavige has to do, if he really wants to sink Leah Remini, is to produce his wife before the show is aired, looking well, happy and with a good account of what she’s been up to over the last decade or so. Odd that it doesn’t seem to have occurred to him to do so…

    • Frodis73

      Ha, he could have done that a long ass time ago though…I don’t know what, if anything (legal force maybe) will..

    • Rasha

      “Always attack. Never ever defend.” It is Source.

      • AntoniaW

        Yes, I get that. The point is that the obvious antithesis to Leah, which is to produce a happy Mrs Miscavige, simply hasn’t happened. Many people will notice this and wonder.

        • Rasha

          Yep. Very true. He could have so easily avoided all of this a long time ago.

          He just happens to be a self-absorbed homonculus.

  • Ella Raitch

    Very truly yours

    Odd sign-off for a letter from a lawyer…?

    • noseinabk

      Because he knew the usual LRH fan boy “Much Love” would be a dead giveaway?

    • Observer

      Not uncommon here.

      • What’sup

        You people are weird:D

        • Observer

          I can’t help how lawyers sign off on their letters. :-p

    • What’sup

      Very truly, madly, deeply, hopelessly, eternally yours.

    • Andrew Robertson

      ………………

      Truly Madly Deeply Yours,

      THE LAW OFFICES OF GARY S. SOTER
      A VERY PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION

      Would have been nicely ecclesiastical.

      Andrew

      • Rasha

        I miss Alan…..

    • Davka

      Actually pretty common, back when I signed lawyer letters…..

  • Tony Ortega

    Hey, finally, some pick up…

    http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/leah-remini-demands-millions-scientology-interfering-new-series-letters-exposed/

    I am told Page Six will have it in the morning.

    • Rasha

      EXCLUSIVE!!!

    • Rasha

      Nice to see the Bunker noted in bright letters, there…. ^_^

    • What’sup

      And poor JT gets his name dragged through the mud again.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Soter: This is my last letter.
    Soter: This is my very last letter
    Soter: we will now refer to this, my truly, very last letter as “the letter.”
    Soter: we will never give in to your bullying demands. This our last letter.
    moxon: This is my last letter.
    Moxon: This is my very last letter
    Moxon: we will now refer to this, my truly, very last letter as “the letter.”
    Moxon: we will never give in to your bullying demands. This our last letter.
    Soter: This is my last letter.
    Soter: This is my very last letter
    Soter: we will now refer to this, my truly, very last letter as “the letter.”
    Soter: we will never give in to your bullying demands. This our last letter.
    moxon: This is my last letter.
    Moxon: This is my very last letter
    Moxon: we will now refer to this, my truly, very last letter as “the letter.”
    Moxon: we will never give in to your bullying demands. This our last letter.

  • What’sup

    Channel 9 are promoting an “exclusive” interview with Nicole Kidman where she “finally opens up about her marriage to Tom Cruise”. I’m buried in paperwork and parked in front of the TV for the day so i’ll give you the skinny when she spills her guts.

    Hold your collective breaths.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I’m calling this – it will be about his workaholism and how he was emotionally closed off (or similar crap to that).

      There will be zero mention of “the Tech that shall not be spoken of”.

      • What’sup

        It was a total fizzer mate. Not worth repeating.

        But we already knew that.

        • LongtimeLurker

          It’s come and gone already?

          Yeah, Nicole kinda weirds me out, tbh.

          • What’sup

            Imagine an actor who’s only facial expression is blinking. I think her and Keith are beyond Botox and just keep a fish tank of Box Jellyfish that they regularly dunk their faces in.

            • Frodis73

              So snarky, I love it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Fuck. Ow.

  • Jimmy3

    I feel like a Canadian. We had Thanksgiving early this year (last week) and there’s no pressure or anything for the actual holiday. I think I’ll spend the day getting drunk and pranking the turkey hotlines. THERES FEATHERS EVERYWHERE I CANT CATCH IT

    • Frodis73

      If I could I’d come get you and we could go get drunk and then prank the hotlines as I have no plans either.

  • Frodis73

    OT-So, our prez elect has a survey about what is most important to work on for the first 100 days. You can check it here if you want to see what he is asking about. Note how the choices are pretty stacked so you can’t really dissent in any meaningful way.
    Any way, after you finish the survey he is still asking for money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF??? He says it is to fight the dems and media. Is this legal? I’m too lazy to go look further into Trump corruption atm.
    https://action.trump2016.com/survey/100-day-plan-action-survey/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ELC_elections-2016_100-day-plan-action-survey&utm_content=112216-hund-day-plan-djt-jfc-t-t-hf-s+-+1&utm_source=e_t-t

    • Elegant Mess

      Wow, just wow. Too bad they don’t have any options to just say, “Booooooo” or “fuck off”. Also, why do I have to leave my name and address to leave my opinion there? No thanks!

      • Frodis73

        I know, I gave a throw away one.

      • Jimmy3

        This administration wants to track you down and round you up, but they are too lazy to do any of the legwork. Please leave your contact information at the bottom, and if you would, move any obstructions away from your windows. Thank you.

        • Frodis73

          Lmao…except there is probably some truth to that.

        • Elegant Mess

          That’s it! This Lib-tard cuck is getting a gun…

        • Eclipse-girl

          J3,
          That is exactly what they want to do,. If enough people do this there will not be enough room, and I can can personally fight this. Some of my ancestors have been in the US since before the 1776. A grandmother was a member of the DAR. Another grandmother was an immigrant from Canada. I am white, sort of blonde, and blue eyed. It is a statement that I stand with immigrants, muslims, native americans, citizens etc. The gov’t CAN NOT put people into detention camps.

          Sorry if I am preaching. Just that talk of it is upsetting. Civil disobedience – as much as it pisses others off, is the way to go. Signing up for the registry is just one action.

          • Mymy88

            I have an ancestor (great x5 grandfather and I realize by now he must have gazillions of other descendants) that was a front runner of the American slavery abolitionist movement when a case went to the state supreme court and it was ruled that his slaves would be granted their freedom and some other things he wanted them to have. The resulting ruling was the first precedent of its kind for that state.

            However, it is nothing I can brag about because it was his own children that brought the lawsuit against him, so um, yeah, I descend from one of them too. The really nasty one that headed up the legal fight against his own father. I didn’t like learning that particular detail. It was like DAMN! Why couldn’t I have come from any of the other siblings!

            But the point is I do feel like I have a moral obligation to do what I can to further freedom for all even though I’m sure my circumstances and that ancestor’s circumstance are so far apart as to be almost incomprehensible but the important thing is, he wanted all of his slaves and their children to be granted their freedom along with provisions for their futures and this was accomplished (although to what degree the provisions assisted them, I have yet to research). I know it was nothing to sneeze at though.

            I’m down baby. Oh yeah. I’m fucking down for it. Sign me up!

    • Mymy88

      May I just be blunt? I posted that article a short while ago on my Facebook and my comment was simply:

      “OMG I hate this fucking jerk-off.”

      I know it was not a very enlightened or intelligent comment but it was heart felt so I call that good enough lol. It’s so obvious to me what a jerk-off this guy is and I cannot get a grip that he is getting away with all this outrageousness.

      • Frodis73

        Short and to the point…it is perfect.

        • Mymy88

          Thank you.

          • Frodis73

            You know else is scary? We know so much about what he is openly corrupt about…just think how much more he can hide with the power of the office? Most. Corrupt. Administration. Ever. Then add in the racism, sexism, etc. SMH. No, pounding head against the wall is more accurate.

            • Elegant Mess

              I keep spiraling every time I think about how damaging the incoming Administration is going to be. The only comfort I’ve found is verbally venting & doing volunteer work. Thankfully this will be a Friendsgiving year, so no biting my tongue around conservative family members. Well, not until Christmas, at least. 😛

            • Eclipse-girl

              Work with others to keep this travesty from harming America.

              IF Trump/ Sessions etc insists on a Muslim registry, I will sign up. I am an atheist.

              But these MFers do not get to do this again.

            • Frodis73

              I said the same thing about the registry! RESIST!! They cannot do this. Well, they can but i will not make it easy on them.

            • Eclipse-girl

              There is a meme, on the (Pastor) Martin Neimoller verse

              https://mobile.twitter.com/1aprildaniels/status/798749588953800705?lang=en

              I agree with her. This is a righteous fight ( and I do not use that term lightly)

            • Frodis73

              I love it! Off to tweet it now.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s great.

            • Mymy88

              OMG that’s great! I’m putting it on my Facebook. Thank you for posting that.

            • Eclipse-girl

              As difficult /hypocritical as it seems, I am glad my parents and my In-laws are not here anymore

            • Mymy88

              I know, right? It’s so completely surreal, I can’t even take it all in at one time. Okay, so now it’s past family hour, here in the ET zone anyway, so here I go.. And this is purely selfish because it’s just to make me feel better even if it’s crossing the line, I do not care:

              My government has sold its soul.

              Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the soon to be First Lady of the United Sates of America… Mrs. Melania Whorebag Trump. Standing ovation please, or else..

            • Frodis73

              Melania’s sluttyness/nudity doesn’t bother me…her stupidity does.

              I love the ‘govt sold its soul’ statement and feel the same. 🙁

            • Mymy88

              Her nudity and making out with another woman in the nude pics being blasted all over the place bothers the fuck out of me because it’s all A-Okay, alrighty tighty with repubs, who are the biggest screechers about family values and morals you’ve ever heard in your life. I have not heard one peep about it. Have you? But I know what you mean. I agree with you.

            • Frodis73

              Oh yeah, the Moral Majority can F off with that stuff. They were wrong to claim they were somehow more moral than the rest of us before this, but now any time they mention character or morals in any way all we have to say is TRUMP!!!!!

            • Mymy88

              Could you imagine, if your life depended on it, nude pics of Michelle Obama being flitted around during the time Obama was the Pres elect, as if it was nothing?!

              One of the biggest reasons why that would have never happened (treated like no big deal) has a lot to do with racism right there. It just goes to show, racists show their true colors subconsciously even when they don’t want to.

            • Frodis73

              The outrage would have been off the charts.
              I knew we were not in some post-racial America or anything, but I so did not expect this to happen. The fear that they are going to erase the last close to 100 years of progress is scary as hell. I am so ashamed.
              O speaking of, did you catch the story out of NC (I think) where the mayor posted on her FB that she was excited to see a truly classy woman in the WH vs the ape in heels? My deep horror and shame is only matched by my anger. I seriously do NOT understand these attitudes. They are outdated, esp given what we know via science/dna not to mention tey are just morally repugnant. It is as dumb as brown eyes vs blue. They all claim to be religious too. 😡😱😥🙄

            • Mymy88

              Yes I sure did catch that story. A mayor and a teacher, no less, talking on Facebook to each other, no less.. WTF? Dumb racist people. DUMB racist people.

              I mean no bad reflection on teachers who I put right up there with nurses as our nation’s top givers and promoters of the advancement of knowledge and healers and they don’t get paid crap to do it either. I am HOPING TO GOD, this teacher was a rare fluke.

              Edit: I deleted the word “effin”

            • Eclipse-girl

              A good teacher cares about all of their students.
              They should not care about skin color or religion.
              A good teacher worries that their students have enough food, shelter and love to make it through the day.
              A good teacher has an open door.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, good teachers are out there talking about the “trump effect” and what it is doing to school kids of all ages.

            • Liberated

              I can’t wait for the orange pimp to call one of our most loyal friends in Europe Angela Merkal a fat bitch.
              I don’t think that will go over very well.
              I was thinking today about the difference when Obama was in Berlin a few days ago and the kindness that was shown him by the German people and chancellor merkal.
              Everyone already hates pimp face with a passion.
              When I think about him and foreign policy I get sick.
              Today he was telling the Scottish people to protest wind-power cause he has two golf courses there and it might hurt business. POTUS is not suppose to tell other countries what they should and shouldn’t do.

            • Mymy88

              I know right! I saw an article today where Britain told Trump to mind his own feckin business (my paraphrase) because he was telling THEM who he wanted THEM to make as Britain’s ambassador to the US. OMFG.
              https://www.yahoo.com/news/britain-tells-trump-no-vacancy-farage-ambassador-united-071558138.html

            • Frodis73

              I was thinking about her yesterday actually. If he visits Germany I wonder how the population will react. I know the govt will be reserved but respectful…to a point. He better not look at her funny…she is the leader of the free world now.

            • Mymy88

              How much do you want to be he will piss her off? We can meet right back here to make the exchange lol.

            • Frodis73

              Deal, but only crazy fan of the orange man would take that bet.

            • Mymy88

              Oh I know, right! It’s fine for Mrs. whitey tighty Trump to have pics of her “wallowing in sin” with another woman but OMG can you just imagine what would have happened to Michelle Obama if that had been her situation? OMG, you want to talk about hearing shrieks of outrage? It would have been a wonder if anyone in the entire country still had any hearing left after that event. I wonder how that would have turned out? Obama probably would have been assassinated. Yeah, I said that because I believe it.

            • ExCult.Jan

              There was more outrage about Michelle wearing *gasp* sleeveless dresses (in hot humid DC).

            • Mymy88

              Oh Jesus. Did you have to take me there ExCult.Jan, really? Did you have to do that? LOL I can’t even.. omg I’m holding my head together with a hand to each side of it to keep it from exploding lol.

            • ExCult.Jan

              So sleeveless gets you pretty hot, eh?

            • ExCult.Jan

              So sleeveless gets you pretty hot, eh?

            • Mymy88

              Oh yeah, for Christ’s sake.

            • MarcabExpat

              And Donald lives in a penthouse in gilded chairs, but Barack is an elitist for eating dijon mustard on his hot dog.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I agree with you Mymy88. But The repubs and many of their evangelical voters are hypocrites. They do not see it themselves because “Begazi’ or ‘Emails’. (UGH) I think it is just their way of posing. They should be exposed for who and what they are — posers.

            • Mymy88

              I’d like to ask some of these people this: Okay, let me get this straight, you say Hillary murdered Americans (Begazi) and committed treason with the email thing, so I guess now teaching millions of your innocent children that they will burn in hell forever for desiring the same sex is going to be amended to say instead, that it’s A-okay though if you’re going to marry a future POTUS. I could say soo much more but who listens? American truly has turned into the Idiocracy portrayed in that movie so it is in one ear out the idiot other ear.

            • Elegant Mess
            • Frodis73

              I adore that movie…it was like a warning. I didn’t think I would be living it though!!!
              It has electrolytes!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Remember that GW Bush (Bush 11) had 12 embassies attacked, and 60 lives lost.

              Remember that was the obstructionist congress that controlled the budget for the State Dept.

              Remember that the current republican congress and senate wants to take away your social security, medicare and medicare.

              How many millions of people voted against their own self interest given the media obsessions with emails, that weren’t even illegal?

            • Mymy88

              I swear to you I can’t believe I’d ever hear myself say this but I think this country would be better off right now if KAYNE WEST was the president elect! And with that remark I rest my nasty woman case. I’m sorry. I’m so tired right now I think I’m stumbling back and forth right over the edges of crazy town lol.

            • Frodis73

              Yep and that is why I hate little faith that the gop will respect the rules and do the right thing. Why would they start now? They have ALL the power. I hope there enough sane members that truly love our country so things don’t go ass backwards, but I am preparing for the worse case scenario. They have been plotting this for 30+ years (not the trump part) and they can do whatever they want now. The gop and their secret .01% backers that is.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Plagiarism and dishonesty bother me more.

              Edit: and hypocrisy and ignorance.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I for one welcome our new nude overlords.

            • Mymy88

              har har, u men are alllll the same lol. Ooops, I think I just realized I’m a racist lol.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I don’t, really. She’s not my type.

              I have no problem with Melanoma posing nude, but putting that aside for a moment, Michelle was so SO obviously one of the classiest, smartest First Ladies ever, that I find objections to her just laughable.

              I also think it’s somewhat refreshing that POTUS was hotter than the First Lady for once, instead of vice versa.

            • Mymy88

              “Melanoma” LOL, Love it. Stealing it and hoping you don’t mind.

            • LongtimeLurker

              No, that makes me happy. You go!

    • Mymy88

      I just had a horrible thought. If there comes a time (and you know there will) but if there comes a time when another incident occurs where innocent people are killed due to a terrorist bomb or whatever, even if it’s not a terrorist but just some crazy person and that person happens to be Muslim? You know Trump and his “administration” would jump on top of that and smugly ride the wave adulation and cries of “lock her up”… errr I mean “lock them up” as they WILL “graciously acknowledge” all the outrage of angry citizens and likely from more than one country, too.

      If it is something really bad that happens in terms of loss of life, what is I am supposed to do? Stand up in the middle of frothing angry wolves and bleat like a lamb? Of course I’ll be highly pissed off too but I’ll be even more frustrated then the frothing wolves because what will I be able to say that will be heard above all the ruckus? I can “but it is not right to treat people differently just because they are clumped under a certain label and it happens to be the same label that the bad guys that did the wrong are labeled”. Do you honestly think anybody is going to want to hear that if something very terrible happens. I wonder.

      Many people will say lock all the Muslims up (okay that’s an exaggeration but you know what I mean)… we must stop this and that will be the only way! I actually know a couple of people that have said this to me and more, only they said send them ALL back asap (not lock them up).

      A lot of people say oh the Japanese internment thing.. it was not so bad and I remember hearing that and thinking to myself, hmm, I wonder about that. After I read a book “The Joy Luck Club” I realized it was much worse than I could have imagined. You need to put yourself in someone’s place that personally experienced it to understand that the totality of such an experience is crushing to say the least. That book helped me to do that.

      It is no wonder that scientologists are so quickly tucked into a prison of their own mind. They are not even given the chance to express counter opinions because of the snitching culture they find themselves in, even before they become aware of it, and the punishments that are met out when one does not conform.

      We already have something a little weird going with Facebook. Very few people that I know are seriously vocal about their political opinions on their Facebook and it is mainly due to one thing.. it would get them into big trouble with their employers. That is completely understandable duh and double duh.

      So I feel though nobody has explicitly said this to me, I know people on my Facebook love that at least some people are in a position to say what they feel and not have their livelihoods threatened.

      They won’t comment and rarely do I get a like, but I KNOW. I get subtle hints. I don’t even have to ask. Once I did private message one on Facebook and I said very casually… do you like Trump? This was a few months ago, and she said “hell no”. She has never liked or made a comment on any of my posts and if you look at her Facebook, it’s mostly recopies and the occasional family occasion or whatever. Yes, I am not surprised because she works for ginormous medical university. I think it is common knowledge but when I think about it, it sucks!

      I have another friend who I know feels the same way but you will rarely see her likes on my Trump opinions and I don’t think she has ever commented on any of those types of posts that I do, but one day I knew I hit a nerve because she went to another post I had made that didn’t have anything to do with politics and said something that told me she was like “damn straight”! about my political comment on the other post but she did it very subtly and I knew what she exactly what she was saying. I private messaged another friend and she replied Trump was a piece of shit! You would never ever know this from looking at their Facebooks.

      I have another friend and she writes a her political opinions on a blog and one day I posted it on my Facebook with her permission and I said “hey everyone, my good friend so-and-so, this is her blog! It’s awesome. Take a look.”

      Boy in a heartbeat she got on touch with me “Ooo sorry, but can you please take my name off your post. The link to my blog is fine, just please don’t mention my name. I don’t want to be too obvious because my work has a strict policy and someone might see something and it might bet back and I’ll be in trouble.

      WTF America! It’s not Facebook. It’s the FACEBOOK that only allows you to express yourself according to what has been approved by your employer (for many people). This is frustrating. . Can someone please tell me why do employers have so much control over our Facebooks! It pisses me off!

      People might want to ask me “well WTF Mymy, what makes you think you can spout off all you want about your opinions on your Facebook? Well I cheated. I did a huge ass purge on my Facebook right around I started getting really pissed off about Trump a few months ago. I scarified (I guess I could use that word) many Facebook friends that I would have been fine with keeping but I knew they would not be able to handle (not their fault necessarily but you know how it is) that I was going to go all out balls to the wall blathering. It included plenty of relatives and besides, at this point in my life, I have no need for hundreds of FB friends. Crap! Half of my friends, were doggy Facebooks anyway lol.

      • JJ

        Teeny little step, after teeny little step, all being pushed forward by fear. Nothing really bad ever happens all at once in politics. First you can’t imagine a thing, then you can’t continence such a thing, then you can’t believe a thing, then it is a done deal and we spend a decade trying to undo the thing that everyone thought was:”a good idea at the time”…

        • Mymy88

          Well, If I am going to go down with the ship dammit, I at least want to know what sank it. So thank you lol.

  • Ruby

    Thank you, Leah.

  • Frodis73

    Another OT-Just curious if anybody else has been watching the PBS series about music called ‘Soundbreaking’? It is really good.

    • Elegant Mess

      No, but the Nat Geo program, Mars, has been interesting. Anyone else super confused with Westworld?
      ETA: I’ll have to check out that PBS program next!

      • Frodis73

        No cable, so I haven’t seen either yet. Dying to watch Westworld though.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I really like it. I have esoteric tastes 🤓. I do not claim to be a critic.

          • Frodis73

            I have heard so many good things. We are all critics dammit! 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have always liked the various actors / actresses involved.
              I think it is good.

              I think it is FAR better than the ?1980s film it is based on.

            • Frodis73

              That seems to be the consensus.
              Btw, have you heard about this dive site? http://oceandoctor.org/gardens/
              It sounds amazing.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Thanks for making me drool about that dive site.

              Roatan has a large marine preserve. And allows for hunting of Lion Fish (an invasive species). It helps a great deal.

            • Frodis73

              It is absolutely beautiful over there!! Since it has been protected for so long it is teeming with life. So fun about staying on that boat hotel too. I need to play and win the lotto so I can go.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am wishing you wonderful luck when you play the lotto. I know you too well to understand that is a rare occupancy on your part.

            • Frodis73

              lmao!

          • Elegant Mess

            I’m really enjoying it. However, I hate to see it go on hiatus. I don’t think it will resume until late 2017- early 2018?

            • Eclipse-girl

              WHAT?? I hate the shows that do this to the viewers. I will be watching when it returns.

              I bet it has to deal with the schedules of various actors / actresses.

      • Eclipse-girl

        No, maybe sort of?

        Ask a question and lets see if we come to agreement

        • Jimmy3

          NO SPOILERS

          • Eclipse-girl

            Are there any in my reply???

            I rewrote it to avoid such a reveal

            • Jimmy3

              DAMMIT I KNEW YOU REWROTE IT BUT THATS STILL A SPOILER

            • Eclipse-girl

              Anthony Hopkins plays a main role 😈

        • Elegant Mess

          It’s so hard to ask non-spoiler questions…don’t want to ruin it for anyone else here.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Yeah, I know. It is one of a few shows I am caught up on.

    • Liberated

      Yes, I just finished it.

      • Frodis73

        Cool! I really liked last weeks ep about singers. Glad I am not the only one watching it. 🙂

      • Mymy88

        Would you like me to tell you what my Trump Christmas wish come true is? heh heh

        • Liberated

          Pray tell?

          • Mymy88

            LOL. Oh if only wishes could come true. The following would make me happy.

            It
            is found that some foreign country (oh I don’t know, Russian maybe) did hack the US 2016 election voting
            system count and did “riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggg” the election in favor of the
            disgusting Donald.

            In my dreams come true, the matter is investigated
            and it is found that Trump was one of the players in conjunction with
            the foreign government that pulled off this gram slam.

            Then there are
            congressional hearings and all of that, and then it is confirmed,
            verified and proven that Trump was, in fact guilty.

            Then he is put away
            in solitary confinement TO ROT for the rest of his pathetic life for TREASON.

            HA! If only. I would be so gracious and classy that I would not even
            tell all the people that called me a sore loser and cry baby that they
            are the ones that are waaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, thumb sucking cry
            baby sore losers and laugh in their face. But then, sigh, we all know
            our ultimate wishes never come true, dammit!

            • Liberated

              I haven’t completely given in yet. He’s not taken the oath of office yet so maybe there’s still time.
              Go to Keith olbermann twitter.. he’s got a video “the resistance ” and he explains the 25th amendment, you’ll see.
              Also, I’m still hoping the petition at change.org will stir up something.

              I like your idea about the Russian hacking, you know Russian intel. has admitted to hacking the dnc and clinton’s email account that’s just a fact.
              Maybe we’ll find out it’s more sinister that we thought.
              Don’t give up hope yet. Power to the people!

            • Mymy88

              Oh yeah, I already signed that petition and any other one I can find that relates. I’m subscribed to change.org and thanks for mentioning it. I did hear a little earlier today that Stein lady of the Green party wants to have a recount for WI MI and PA, I think? not sure. But anyway. she said they would need about 2 million dollars within the next 24 hours. Already they have 4 million dollars. Dare I hope. Dare I wish?

              Also thanks about the Olbermann mention. I’m not really familiar with him or whatever, but oh yes! I am going there and I want to join the fucking resistance. Oh I had such a funny conversation with my next door neighbors from Mexico.

              I was telling them how disgusted I was with Trump. My neighbor said they were too and nobody can understand how he won. I told them that I heard about 20% of Mexicans voted for him and he was incredulous. He said what? Who? Where? In Georgia?????? I said I don’t know where but I find it hard to believe too. He said allllll Mexicans he knows despise Trump. He lifted his head a little to me, indicating that what he was about to tell me he was completely confident it was accurate and that he believed with all his soul was the truth… he looked me in the eye with ernest and he said “He is like Castro”.

              Oh man, I’m telling you I almost fell out laughing but I didn’t because I didn’t want him to take it wrong. I said YES yes he is like Castro (my eyes wide). And I was serious and am serious! He is very evil and will take our freedoms away one by one. He said yes yes. He said he makes allllllllll the past presidents look very good. I said yes yes, even Nixon! He said yeah.

              Well a lot more was said but that Castro remark just delighted me to no end because it means they have president elect pig’s number also.

            • Liberated

              You’ll love olbermann, he absolutely hates trump.
              Funny you should mention Mexicans, my neighbor just brought me over food.
              She’s from Nicaragua and he’s from Mexico and they’re the nicest people in the world.
              I’m not sure of their citizenship status and it’s none of my business, but I have a feeling they’re praying to god (they go to church a lot) that the new dictator doesn’t throw them out.

            • Mymy88

              Oh I know I will love Olbermann. I have not had the chance to go there yet but I most definitely will. Yeah, fucking dick head Frump will take the path of least resistance which usually is not such a good idea. Bend over America (I saw that in a re-tweet TO put lol).

              This is Frump, “Oh yeah baby, if I block those refugees heading over here on that tin rust bucket of a boat, I’ll blow em out of the water. That’ll teach em”. UGH fucking PIG ASS WIPE.

              If you are so inclined for some good humor today, check this out. I laughed my ass off.

              https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-reviewers-skewer-trumps-fancy-christmas-ornament-143322831.html

            • Mymy88

              …….

            • Liberated

              I’m not on twitter or facebook….sorry.
              Maybe we can work something out else where.

            • Mymy88

              ……

            • Liberated

              I’m not sure, I am the most ignorant person in the world when it comes to anything tech, I’m learning.
              Let’s keep doing what we’re doing for now.
              I’m having fun.

            • Mymy88
  • What’sup

    It’s okay America, only 4 more years until Yeezy is President.

    • Elegant Mess

      No! He’ll make us all listen to 808s & Heartbreak on a non-stop loop.

      • What’sup

        But if you vote for him you get a free pair of $600 hobo shoes.

    • Jimmy3

      Yo, Constitution, imma let you finish, but this comment on World Star is one of the best things I ever read

    • Observer
    • Frodis73

      Don’t even joke about it!

    • Eclipse-girl

      He has had a hospitalization for his mental health.

      I doubt he will be able to overcome that.

      • Frodis73

        Orly? Did his narcissism finally bite him in the ass? I had not heard that he was hosp.

        • What’sup

          He’s mentally illin’

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t know how much is played up, but apparently he asked Jay-Z to not kill him. Then he cancelled the rest of his tour. No word on whether or not Jay-Z cancelled the contract.

          • What’sup

            I got 99 problems but the future POTUS ain’t one.

          • Eclipse-girl

            My original response was not acceptable by the terms of this hallowed place.

            Understand that I find KW to be a narcissistic asshat.

          • Jo

            As long as he doesn’t share a lift, he will be fine.

        • Eclipse-girl

          This new reports claims The idjit has been hospitalized for stress

          http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/entertainment/kanye-west-fans-prayers/index.html

          It was enough to sink Tohomas Eagleton (1968)

          • Scientology connection:

            The CEO and his church June 2, 2002, Deborah O’Neil, St. Petersburg Times

            With Zwan’s management team in place, the once-tiny private company had grown to 90 employees and was about to become a Wall Street player.

            But first, a personnel matter needed tidying up before the company could go public. Digital’s investment banker asked company brass if it was true that executive vice president Elizabeth Weigand was, indeed, a felon. She was. In 1980, Weigand was convicted of trying to extort money from her uncle, former U.S. Sen. Thomas Eagleton, D-Mo., who said at the time that he believed his niece intended to give the money to Scientology. She resigned from Digital.

            • Frodis73

              Wow, small world.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It is always worse than you think.

              Thank you for keeping up the extensive data base.

  • Tony Ortega
    • LongtimeLurker

      You should make up a ludicrous fake story.

      After they pick it up and people start questioning the story’s veracity, you delete it, replace it with something else, and we’ll all stand around in the comments acting innocent.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    So at the DAP protests, Sophia Wilansky (21) may lose her arm.

    But it’s okay, because Kirstie Alley is all over it (via Twitter);

    “Omg!!! @POTUS STOP THIS @realDonaldTrump STOP THIS Unite !!”

    • Frodis73

      That is so horrible. I saw some of it live last night. The temps were so low and they were hosing them down with water. The sheriff’s dept out there does nothing but lie…they keep forgetting about cameras though. Obama does need to address this. I am bummed at his silence. Krustie can bite my ass tho.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I agree. Obama has dropped the ball.

        But Kirstie thinking Trump would care? She’s delusional.

        I mean, I don’t know his preferred policy, but I imagine it involves immediate jail or something equally offensive.

        • daisy

          Hey LL I don*t want to invade your privacy, but a while back you mentioned you had to quit for health reasons. Have they been worked out? Can i do anything . My e-mail is I keep all the hurting bunkeis in my thougths and prayer. You are at the top my goofy friend.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Aw…

            xoxo

            Email me – Redacted.

            • daisy

              I will tonight , unfortunately i have a DR. appt which takes 3 hrs to get there and another 3 back. The appt. will be 10 min. long.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s fuckin’ insane. Sorry you have to do that.

              Is it serious? Are you okay?

            • daisy

              I am home. It is crazy but it is still better than US. Nothing serious I had to talk to surgeon about a hernia they are going to repair. I am lucky i have no pain with mine. I am hoping an alien doesn*t pop out of it before then.Can you e-mail me as i still have not learned how to put an address in. I can work off one sent to me. I need to take computer lessons badly, but the people who teach it ( old people at the mall) only do it during the day. i have no relief during the day, so you wonderful people have been getting me through. Did you ever watch The Brady Bunch ? The women who played the mother died.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m glad you’re okay.

              I can email you, but I couldn’t see your address in that first mail.

              Pop it in the reply to this one. I’ll copy it. You edit it out. I’ll email.

              How’s that sound?

            • daisy

              n,,,

            • LongtimeLurker

              Got it!

              Delete it.

              Emailing you soon.

      • daisy

        MY e-mail address is pnichol@live.com Call any time if you need extra support or anything else you might want to talk about.

  • Gus_Cox

    Soter is an assbag.

    So let’s see if that’s really his last correspondence on the matter – let’s see if they stop sending defamatory letters to A&E.

    Meanwhile: Leah Remini Fuck Yeah!

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    I love you Bella!!!!!!!

  • Sarah James

    Harm the church? What church? Scientology is david miscavige’s bank.

  • Sarah James

    Harm the church? What church? Scientology is david miscavige’s bank.

    • Liberated

      That is so true.

  • Lighthouse

    This is what I’m looking for when I come on to this blog, someone like Reah Remini, going to sue the church.

    Go Leah! We need more gutsy people like you!

    The church will either settle out of court and/or get a gag order which will prevent them from slandering all and sundry willy nilly and getting away from it.

    What they’re doing is not freedom of speech. It’s hate speech.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Dammit.

      Now I have to watch an episode of Ellen.

  • califa007

    I wonder why Soter moved from his former location in Warner Center (the San Fernando Valley’s version of Century City), with it’s office buildings and central location, to a shopping center in a residential area. The major tenant is Gelson’s, an upscale grocery store. It’s really out of the way. It might be prestigious to live in the area, but to have law offices there….not so much. With all the lawyers in all the corners of LA, why does Scientology choose a lawyer in SF Valley, anyway? And his present location is really obscure.

    • FredEX2

      I’m thinking that their reputation precedes them and it’s getting more difficult for CoS & COB to find a lawyer who will work with them. There are attorney’s who refuse any situation or case dealing with Scientology… whether they are the defendant or the plaintiff. Money can’t buy everyone. And dealing with them is time consuming and difficult at best. Perhaps not worth the damage to their reputation either. Not everyone is in CoS’s pocket.

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • TheMirrorThetan

      Gee. I wonder what prompted that decision.
      Maybe the Purif can help you with that emoji addiction while your on your break, Vivian.
      Only 8 yr old girls should use that fecking many.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Confront and shatter! eh Viv?

      Ya sow it, ya reap it.

  • BosonStark

    I was thinking about a claim of the cult that Leah is “cashing in on her former religion.” That’s really unique. Religions are all the same, as many atheists keeping saying. But this is one of the many things which makes Scientology unique, that they would claim something like that. It also sounds like they are protecting their ground in the most greedy way; only Scientology is allowed to cash in on Scientology. Scientology’s “religious angle” needs some tweaking.

    “Cashing in” sounds like she’s selling sacred objects she stole from the cult. Is she trying to sell the eternal battery which keeps Xenu in his mountain prison? She isn’t even selling their woo, like the indies.

    What is Scientology, the CIA? They think that any member who leaves is bound to silence, to not write or talk about their experiences, or those of others in Scientology, for the sake of national security?

    Their overreaction suggests that Leah’s big crime was asking the whereabouts of Shelly, and after being thwarted from even speaking to her on the phone, she files a missing person’s report. There must be something more, like they’re hiding something much worse which happened to Shelly.

    Let’s imagine the most benign story about Shelly is true. Shelly was getting so frustrated and fed up with her husband that she went ahead and rearranged the org board, knowing it would be the last straw. After a few tears, they amicably agreed to separate, that it was over between them. But for the sake of his image and for Scientology, she agreed to work tirelessly at a remote facility and not appear in public again. In turn, she would be allowed to have knitting materials, a Playstation 2, an e-meter so she could keep in contact with her BTs, or whatever she wanted to keep her happy. Then why couldn’t DM let Shelly on the phone so she could say that to her former friend Leah?

    Since they couldn’t even come up with a shore story, Leah would naturally assume something terrible was going on, like Shelly was either dead, has been abused or beaten, or is being held against her will.

    I believe that if Shelly were in any kind of condition that they could have gotten her to meet with Leah and make up a story about how happy she was with her exile, it would have been over, and Leah probably wouldn’t even have told anyone or discussed it.

    Of course, there were many other reasons Leah left Scientology, but it is the cult’s focus on Shelly which is suspect. Maybe Scientology Media Productions’ first radio or TV program should be a hour talking with Shelly Miscavige? Or maybe Shelly could have her own show, THE JOY OF XENU or something? There are many ways the cult could put this issue to rest, but instead they are just drawing more attention to it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Good comment.

    • kemist

      Yes.

      Not even a measly youtube video of her saying she’s ok. They’re capable of pulling Ron Miscavige’s former band members in front of a camera to go on and on about how he’s a poopyhead, but not even a hello I’m fine from Shelly Miscavige.

      Makes you wonder what’s wrong with her.

      • maybe they can’t produce her

    • JJ

      I am wondering if part of the issue is legal. CA is a community property state isn’t it? If she got out and sought a divorce how complicated would that be? And how expensive…for DM?

  • Fink Jonas

    LRH said “your only crime was being there and communicating” I never understood that…now I get it, he is talking about anybody exercising their first amendment right specially if you were an ex. Mafia like cult.

  • Ann B Watson

    All you wonderful survivors here,may you all have a great Harvest Day.Baby I wish you healing and happiness and love.You give all that & more to others around you.🦃❤️

  • Nancy Law

    Just set my PVR for the 29th, A&E, 6:00PM “Leah Remini Scientology Special” AND at 10:00PM “Leah Remini: Scientology and The Aftermath”. The 10:00PM Scientology and The Aftermath is the series premiere “Leah Remini begins her examination of Scientology by traveling to Seattle to meet with a former executive who reveals shocking details that motivate Leah to dig deeper into the religion.” The 6:00PM program’s description is: “A sitdown with Leah Remini about how she got involved with the Church of Scientology”. Those are the times for the east, assuming you’d have to check the times for your location. Does anyone know how many episodes of the series we can expect?

    • MarcabExpat

      Eight, as planned thus far.

      • Nancy Law

        Many thanks … I’ve read her book and I’m looking forward to more in depth info through the series. Happy Thanksgiving 🙂

  • JJ

    Got back from the nursing home. Have an answer to Kissinger’s “useless eaters” premise. Here is a general list of all the people gainfully employed in a nursing facility:
    Doctors, nurses, aides, psychiatrists, house keeping, medical techs, pharmacy techs, security, administration, community outreach, cooks, cleaning staff, dietitians, servers, religious services personal, out reach medical procedure staff, pharmacy delivery staff, secretaries, bookkeepers, office workers, activities coordinators, bus drivers and van loaders, social workers, service coordinators, purchasing managers(for needed supplies(, cable installers (two TVs per room), Human Resources, physical and occupational staff, rehabilitation staff, exterminators, garbage and industrial clean up crews, pool cleaners and attendants, landscaping and maintenance, carpet cleaning services, trades employed when redoing rooms, snow removal team, beauticians and barbers, musicians and artists who entertain, the engineers who keep the buildings running, AC and HVAC repair/upkeep, the people who service the outdoor pond and the indoor fish tank. Some of these positions have day and night workers.

    So “useless eaters”, the elderly, the chronically ill, the disabled, the sick and injured, small children etc. do serve some purpose and considering the growing need for medical care and long term living facilities, it is pretty much a guarantee that at some point large swaths of the country could be employed in looking after, nursing, caring for or organizing the care of, many of our citizens requiring medical based care and services.

    Far from “A society is judged on how it treats it’s weakest members.” alone, with out people needing care, a lot of people would be out of work.

    • MarcabExpat

      So, what you’re saying is that “useless eaters” are job creators! VWD! 🙂

      • JJ

        Absolutely!

  • richelieu jr

    “3) a statement to be posted prominently and conspicuously on all CoS websites and related Internet pages;”

    Oh gods, yes! This is the Beauty Clause, the poison pill they can never accept, and which will therefore goad their brainless, dkckless, midget ID into the jaws of her lawsuit.

  • Dyan Shane

    $camology constantly calls Leah a “has been”, well, she had her own show recently, has been on countless talk shows, has a book, now this Docu series, i have been a fan of hers since King of Queens, and i have never seen a lull in her career, she was so funny on RuPaul, and now she is the face of exposing $camology, SO, wouldn’t a has been be someone more like kirstie alley for example, her shows all bombed, she is what i consider a has been. Leah’s is going strong and she is gaining even more fans. I LOVE her outspoken candor!

  • tahoegeminii

    I have never been a fan of Scientology or any cult-but it seems that Leah is determined to make Scientology pay her-first why did she ever join? obviously she thought it would further her career as an actress getting with the “in crowd” and when that seemed to be not working she found renewed attention in denouncing them -now she is making a series? what a bunch of nothing for profit it seems-anyone who did their homework on L. Ron Hubbard would NEVER get involved with such a contrived religion in the first place-besides their retorts seem very insightful and logical-IF Ms. Remini wasn’t after $$$$ then she could get her point of view out there anyway-the money just makes the whole mess smell weird-like anytime you mix money and spirituality