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Shelley Duvall is ill, but is Scientology’s Vivian Kubrick the best person to step in?

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[Vivian Kubrick and Shelley Duvall]

On Friday morning, we described our own encounter five years ago with Shelley Duvall and her sad mental state. In a phone call, she tried to convince us that Scientologists were trying to get into her Texas house to assassinate her. We suggested that she get some professional help, and we decided not to write a story about it. As we explained Friday, journalists get calls and messages like this all the time, if not always from former Hollywood figures.

Now, ‘Dr. Phil’ McGraw has put Duvall on his show, airing long segments of his interview with her talking bizarrely about her delusions. McGraw said he was doing it because he wanted to get her help. But after he got her to a Los Angeles clinic, Shelley refused to give her consent to receive care, and she would not take medication. She flew back home. McGraw said he had then arranged for her to get care locally, and her caregivers were trying “alternative” methods because Shelley still refused any meds. “We’ll keep you updated on her progress and hope — hope, hope, hope — that there’s a happy ending to this story,” he said.

Friday morning, we wrote that Dr. Phil was getting blowback for putting Shelley’s delusional talk on camera, and one of the people getting noticed for speaking up was Vivian Kubrick, daughter of the late director Stanley Kubrick, who had put Shelley through some pretty legendary rough treatment during the filming of 1980’s The Shining. We also have a history with Vivian: We reported that her family was shocked when we spotted Vivian in the video of an Alex Jones rally in Dallas three years ago — it had been more than a decade since they had heard anything about her. Vivian had joined Scientology around the year 1995, and she began to pull away from her father and the rest of the family as he was making his final film, Eyes Wide Shut. He died in 1999 a few months before the movie opened in theaters, and at his funeral Vivian showed up with a Scientology handler. She disconnected permanently from the family after that, not even showing up in 2009 at the funeral of her sister Anya, whom she had been very close to growing up.

After our brief story was posted Friday, we heard from our friend Los Angeles journalist Mark Ebner that Vivian had taken things a step further and started a GoFundMe campaign, asking to raise $100,000 from the public for Duvall’s care.

Over the weekend, that story was picked up by the entertainment press, but other than a couple of exceptions (Heavy, and horrorfreaknews.com), most of them made no mention of Vivian’s involvement in Scientology, which opposes psychiatry in all forms. Wasn’t it an important detail that the person raising money for Shelley’s care doesn’t believe in the kind of care that Shelley so obviously needs? We decided to check in with Ebner for his thoughts.

Mark Ebner: Vivian is blocking anyone who simply asks if the money could possibly go to legitimate mental health care.

The Bunker: We’ve noticed that she’s been erasing comments from the GoFundMe site that dare to ask her how she’s actually going to deliver the money.

(Ebner had pointed out that according to the GoFundMe page, Vivian was located in Clearwater, Florida, the site of Scientology’s spiritual mecca, the “Flag Land Base,” where wealthy Scientologists go to take high-level courses that can cost tens of thousands of dollars each.)

The Bunker: Last we knew, Vivian was living in Dallas, where she went to an Alex Jones rally. You have to wonder if she’s at Flag for services. Wish there was a way to find out.

(One of the odd things we learned when we asked around about Vivian with former top Scientology officials is that none of them knew anything about her. We had to explain who she was, and they said they really hadn’t heard anything about her while they were inside the church. This was one celebrity, in other words, that the church hadn’t really used as an ornament the way it had people like Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Kirstie Alley. Perhaps this campaign is Vivian’s big chance to “strike an effective blow against the enemy” — namely psychiatry, in the form of Dr. Phil.)

Ebner: What’s weird is that no one – from Vanity Fair, to Entertainment Weekly, to the Hollywood Reporter – is asking the obvious question about her involvement in Scientology. Instead, they’re promoting her GoFundMe page.

The Bunker: It is strange. Especially because Scientology is so against psychiatry

Ebner: It’s probably lazy reporting. Vivian could clear it up by specifying exactly what the money being raised is earmarked for. And how and to whom the money will be transferred.

The Bunker: You know Scientology is going to want to get access to Shelley.

Ebner: Right. And when they do, they’ll soak her for everything she has – including the GoFundMe money.

The Bunker: It will be Raul Lopez again.

Ebner: Raul Lopez, Lisa McPherson. Take your pick.

The Bunker: The Hollywood Reporter apparently got Vivian on the phone. But there’s no indication that they asked her the key question: Is Vivian willing to turn over the money to Shelley even if it’s going to be used for psychiatric care?

Ebner: I have asked that question through all available media. If Vivian, as a Scientologist, will turn the money over earmarked for mental health care. I was blocked and my questions were deleted. She needs to be transparent. $100,000 is a lot of loot.

The Bunker: It’s up to $22,000 so far.

Ebner: That’s an uptick from when I checked. It’s obviously resulting from entertainment media attention. And innocent fans.

The Bunker: You’re right, the big outfits should have been on this angle by now.

Ebner: It’s a good story.

The Bunker: What did you think of Dr. Phil’s show?

Ebner: Shelley was obviously terrified of the idea of returning to Los Angeles. A caring therapist would have tried to arrange for treatment in more comforting surroundings.

The Bunker: What Dr. Phil did was questionable. But a Scientologist raising money for Shelley’s psychiatric care is a bad joke.

Ebner: My opinion exactly. What bugs me is the Hollywood Reporter and the others completely blowing an opportunity for a real story here.

The Bunker: Thanks, Mark.

 
UPDATE:

After raising more than $23,000 in just four days Vivian Kubrick announced that she had to shut down the fund entirely once she actually talked with Shelley Duvall’s mother…

MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE THAT DONATED but I just got off the phone with Shelley Duvall’s mother Bobbie, she explained that after her discussions with SAG-AFTRA and the fact Shelley is on government benefits, they can’t afford to accept any large donations. Understandably, they have to consider Shelly’s long term financial support. And a large amount of money, even if it was put in Trust, would effect Shelley’s Government benifits and the benifits that are available to her from SAG-AFTRA. I’m so sorry for the inconvenience, but if you made a donation, please contact GoFundMe to receive a refund of your generous and kind donation <3 REMEMBER! your loving emails and kind messages will still go to Shelley, which I'm sure, will make her very happy indeed! My LOVE to you good and kind folk! Vivian Kubrick <3 <3 <3

We asked Mark his thoughts on this new development.

Ebner: I can’t make sense out of donations being compromised by her SAG/AFTRA plan. I also think the donations stalled after we questioned Vivian’s motives, and called out the media.

The Bunker: It did seem to slow down, yes. So apparently she started up the fund without contacting Shelley or her family?

Ebner: Sure seems that way. Wonder how she’ll handle the refunds.

The Bunker: Hey suckers, you just gave your money to a Scientologist. And now you want a refund. Guess what happens to people who want their money back from Scientology?

Actually, we trust GoFundMe will honor the refunds requests. But if you donated and you’re having trouble getting your money back, please let us know.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on November 21, 2016 at 07:00

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  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    Someone else’s child just sat at my cafe table and is touching my stuff.

    And the mother is just “isn’t he delightful?” giggling at me.

    Which one of them am I allowed to beat the shit out of?

    Or is it both?

    • flyonthewall

      Just calmly ask her to get the fuck out of your face. Most people are pretty reasonable and will understand

      • LongtimeLurker

        It bothers me that I’m the offended party, but I have to be that polite.

        Can’t I just go straight to violence and screaming?

    • Andrew Robertson

      Best to select the smaller one – that would be safest!

      Andrew

      • LongtimeLurker

        I think I can take them both.

        I could use one of them to hit the other one.

    • Kim O’Brien

      just fart and scratch yourself …..

      • LongtimeLurker

        I could scratch, but I don’t know if I can bring myself to do the other…

        I know it’s not the kids fault. The dad just turned up, and he’s the problem I think.

        The kid is climbing on a vending machine and the father is proud of his ingenuity.

        Hipster shithead.

        • Kim O’Brien

          fake tourettes ?

          • LongtimeLurker

            FuckityPimpslapMONKEY-BUTTONS!!

            • My new motto.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Use it in good health,my friend. : )

    • Rasha

      “That’s really great! I hope I’m not still contagious! HAHAHAHA!!”

      • LongtimeLurker

        Oh…clever.

    • Liberated

      Start with one then see how it goes.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah. Leave myself somewhere to escalate to.

    • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

      I would’ve said something about how the child reminded you of the kids you saw with Zika last week when you were doning volunteer work in Brazil.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Lol.

    • kemist

      Say :

      “Delightful. Say, has someone seen my fentanyl patches ?”

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m takin’ notes for next time.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    This is cute. I’ve had this stuck in my head for the last hour so I’m gonna share 🙂
    Let’s hope that Shelly has many Very Merry Christmases ahead of her!
    https://youtu.be/eAaDGGIM35k

    • Liberated

      Does anyone know exactly how badly Mr Kubrick treated Shelley?

      • Intergalactic Walrus
        • Liberated

          Thanks IW. I never liked Kubrick always thought he was a freak.
          Poor girl.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            BTW – Star Wars’ Jake Lloyd who is mentioned also has been hospitalized with schizophrenia 🙁

      • LongtimeLurker

        Scatman Crothers (Dick Hallorann in the film) also had a pretty bad time.

        But Shelley had it worse.

        I’m not sure it’s a simple as just misogyny, although that almost certainly was part of it, imho.

        Various crew people from early in Kubrick’s career are on record as saying he was into dominance games, arguing about obscure technical things with the cinematographer and the like.

        I suspect that Shelley’s natural, slightly shy demeanour brought out the bully in him, and that combined with his misogyny and the already fraught production of the film meant that he pretty much took everything out on her. Or Scatman when she wasn’t around.

        Like many bullies he was a bit more deferential to anyone he thought was a bigger dog, in this case Jack Nicholson.

        I’ve read a few books on Kubrick and The Shining, but most of what I just said are my own conclusions.

        • Liberated

          Thanks LL…..you have much knowledge.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Awww. ; )

        • Frodis73

          I think that misogyny played a big part…if you have read the book the two characters are night and day. I love King and for the most part he has done an excellent job writing female characters, imo. He is def a feminist and one of the things he really hated about the movie was how watered down Wendy was.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Oh yeah, King is sooooo much more feminist than Kubrick.

            Although I’d hazard that Kubrick didn’t set the bar very high.

            But yes, not a great fan of King’s work. Huge fan of King the person.

  • Liberated

    Our attorney general to be Jeff Sessions just said “good people do not smoke marijuana ”
    and marijuana is not funny.
    Oh yeah ,I think marijuana is hilarious and some very fine upstanding citizens smoke pot.
    Boy these next 4 years are gonna suck so bad.

    • Frodis73

      If we survive the next 4 years…we may not even have a country left…and I am not being hyperbolic either. The GOP is creaming their jeans over this shit and the white nationalists are flooding the streets…this is only going to get worse.

      • Ella Raitch

        I can’t imagine how you feel. I feel depressed and am a loooong way away!

        • Frodis73

          People always wonder how wwii and hitler happened…look around, this is exactly how it happened. The thing that is also scary is it is not just happening here, this whole alt right/nationalist movement is happening all over Europe too. I will say this, I will NOT roll over dammit!!! If Pen wins in France, fuck! I feel like America is dying…or died.

          • Ella Raitch

            I’m trying to stop reading news but find myself peeking anyway. Just deleted my twitter app. I’ll find out all the bad news anyway – no need to have it so bloody accessible.

          • Ella Raitch

            The saddest thing – not even 100 years have passed, and we live in a world with more access to information than at any other point.

            • Frodis73

              IKR? Usually that helps…in this case these people are dumb and celebrate that they are dumb. It is the 21st century, we should be over this racism shit, we all came out of Africa FFS-get over it!!!!! It is so hard to have hope right this minute.

          • Liberated

            There’s already been talk of “registering” Muslims….wasn’t that Hitler’s 1st step?
            Next he’ll require crescent star patches on their sleeves. I’m freaking out.

            That orange jack-ass is going to live part time in new york, guess how much that’s gonna cost tax-payers? A lot!

            • Frodis73

              If that jack ass starts a registry, this atheist will register in solidarity. Fuck that shit.
              Yeah, the stuff about him staying in NY is a joke. I just cannot deal with this. It is a nightmare.

          • JJ

            Step by step by step…

      • Liberated

        Yep.

      • I see so many comments that various alt-rights are Fed plants or somehow not serious. Either by trolls, or by GOP people who are going to be very surprised when their hour come round at last.
        ..
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99e8d73e6b44437980a00322136d70d0b0b369a830ea53c7967451f91abaa656.jpg

        • Ella Raitch

          And it will!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It is scary as hell. We had two kids suspended form local middle school for saying hell hitler. And also two young women in town whose hijab were pulled off. Trump has normalized racist words and behavior.

  • Rasha

    An elderly couple are in church. The wife leans over and whispers to her husband, “I just let out a long, silent fart. What should I do?” The husband replies, “First off, replace the batteries in your hearing aid!”

  • Rasha

    A lady comes home from her doctor’s appointment grinning from ear to ear. Her husband asks, “Why are you so happy?”

    The wife says, “The doctor told me that for a forty-five year old woman, I have the breasts of a eighteen year old.”

    “Oh yeah?” quipped her husband, “What did he say about your forty-five year old ass?”

    She said, “Your name never came up in the conversation.”

  • Rasha

    Am I going to hell for laughing at a Helen Keller joke? I just want to check with the Bunker first…..

    • Robert Eckert

      If Helen Keller fell over Terry Schiavo in the forest, would it make any noise?

      • Rasha

        Oooff!

      • Rasha

        Helen Keller walks into a bar…. then a table… then a chair….

        SORRY! Okay, I’m going to bed for realz…..

    • Liberated

      No

      • Rasha

        I better find another way to join Sup at the bar….. ^_^

  • Rasha

    “Give it to me! Give it to me!” she yelled, “I’m so wet, give it to me now!”

    …she could scream all she wanted to. I was keeping the umbrella.

    • OOkpik

      Gerd, I lerve you.!!!!!!!!

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Um…

    • LongtimeLurker

      oooo-er!

      • Rasha

        Oh, it was just getting so gloomy in here last night… couldn’t go to bed thinking, “Jeeze, the Bunker was depressing…..”, so, a few tasteless jokes…

  • Rasha

    Knock, knock!……

  • Rasha

    …Rasha feels better now. Night, Bunks! <3

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    O/T: I just got around to rewatching the Twilight series,again -doing a Twilight marathon. Sigh…I miss the good ole days.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I have just started watching that again as well…..it makes me nostalgic.

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        Ikr?

    • JJ

      Just re read the books.

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        I think I am. I totally lost myself the first time I read them.

    • Juicer77

      Get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper! 😉

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        :)!!!!

  • Fink Jonas

    Watch Vivian Kubrick like a hawk and watch that money disappear to a Scientology front group, and then say “Shelly didn’t want help” oh well, and where is the money? nobody knows….Gofundme can close that account if they knew it was a spurious account, they should close it, Vivian should be reported, she does not intend to help Shelly at all, is just an opportunity for church to pocket some money while the blind is on his knees, Hubbard said it clearly “we don’t help the insane” sorry no offense to Shelly, but this is disturbing this freaking cult is just too devious.

    • LongtimeLurker

      The more people who report the strong possibility that Shelley will receive no psychiatric help because of Scientology’s opposition to it and Vivian’s constant deleting of ALL difficult questions, the more likely it is that Go Fund Me will act. imho

      https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=contact/form&t=donation_page_report&pid=941_Reporting_From_Campaign_Page

      • Yeah!… and reading this:
        “What is considered fraud on GoFundMe?
        The GoFundMe Team wants to know about any campaign organizer that is misrepresenting themselves or the stated purpose of their campaign.”

        Makes it interesting… maybe i should post this as a friendly advise in the comment section :-O

        • LongtimeLurker

          Doooo eeeeet!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Lol, I literally just upvoted that about 3 minutes ago.

      • ohh yeah – now there is 2 upvotes and it’s on the frontpage 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          Go, us! lol

          I think Felicity did it right, be polite, open with a thanks, then express a simple, non-abusive concern.

          I like the cut of her jib, Commander Dice! Give her a medal.

          • he he! True… you can serve stuff like that, being polite and still get the message over!

    • Juicer77

      Now that is how you do it.

  • Mike Rinder is debunking the San Diego umm.. Org! http://www.mikerindersblog.org/california-dreaming/

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Juicer77

      Holy crap. Can’t leave until you buy something?!? What us this, Imprisonment Amway????

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        The clams really are the experts at communication – they communicate excellently just how batsh#t crazy cult members are.

        • Juicer77

          They’ve been clubbed into nothing but stat-pushers and dollar-grabbers.

      • JJ

        You know, shopping stores and malls built that system where there are no windows, no natural light, and no clocks around so people stay in and can’t find the way out. Maybe Scientology could try that angle? The Ideal Orgs could be Ideal Labyrinths?

    • LRH is never wrong. He is the Source!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Scientology is crap at a lot of things, but I think it might be the crappest…

      …at being Scientology.

  • Just been reading up, for lost time, in the Bunker and i regret that i have to add this. This is bad! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee8667e9c770e9637ccfa690730f0803d94e00ba2f2e1c9434a9a0831d38a4e2.png

    • JJ

      Oh puke on a goddamn stick. I am not leaving this country to the alt morons! It was never white, it is never gonna be white, there is no such thing as white. There is only the human race! Welcome to America, Speak any of the 100 plus languages spoken by the millions of indigenous, immigrant and brought here against their will members of our society!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Jeez Louis, Carlos.

      lol

  • Gus_Cox

    This certainly isn’t the first time fucking Scientology is exploiting a brain-injured person. There was Raul Lopez (read that link Tony posted – but take your blood pressure meds first, it’s so atrocious), Isaac Hayes (quitting South Park for him right after he had a stroke and was in no condition to quit anything), and now Shelley Duvall. Disgusting.

  • turn2

    I wonder if Kubrick’s treatment of Duvall during the filming of The Shining left any permanent damage on her psyche. She came close to a nervous breakdown. usmagazine*com/celebrity-news/news/shelley-duvall-said-filming-the-shining-was-almost-unbearable-w451233