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Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy gets sacrificed on the Burning Man altar

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We heard from a special correspondent who sent us photos from this year’s Burning Man event at Black Rock City, Nevada.

This isn’t the first time an Underground Bunker reader has reported back to us after visiting the annual arts event in the desert. Somewhere around here we have a photo of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely at last year’s shindig. And now, this year we have another dispatch, but it’s a very special one.

First, here’s that book of ours, which gets around a heck of a lot more than we do…

 
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Our tipster not only brought the book along, but also a special poster, made up of a copy of the “Call Me” sign we associate with Phil and Willie Jones and their efforts to publicize the effects of Scientology’s toxic policy of ‘disconnection,’ which rips families apart.

The poster contained the names of numerous families that have suffered from disconnection, when Scientologists are ordered to cut off all ties from their loved ones who have left the organization.

 
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Our correspondent took the poster to a site called The Temple, where other Burners were encouraged to write testimonials to people who were missing from their lives.

 
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This was the scene inside, with the Call Me poster set amid many other artifacts of loss and remembrance.

 
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“Deep thanks to TrevAnon and Anonymous for compiling the names. And special gratitude to Phil and Willie Jones for the inspiration,” says our correspondent.

After a ceremony, the Temple went up in a conflagration that you see above. It’s an inspiring sight.

 
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Louis Theroux’s ‘My Scientology Movie’ Down Under

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Last year, on our book tour, we went to the far end of the earth — namely, the city of Perth, Australia — and met Bunker readers Ella Raitch and What’sup, pictured above with your proprietor and Ella Raitch’s son.

Yesterday, Ella Raitch took her daughter, who she’s calling Ellette, to see Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie on the opening night of its theatrical run in Australia. She posted this account of the film last night very late in our comments, and we wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to see it.

 
ACMI cinema capacity looked to be about 400 to 450 and was about two thirds full. Most in the audience were 20 to 30 years old. The overwhelming reaction was one of laughter, right from the opening where tweets are featured that warned Louis of Scientology’s creepy, psycho behaviour. Like Going Clear, lots of Internet footage here, from IAS events, the LRH death event, the Larry Anderson training video (“If you leave this room after seeing this film and walk out and never mention Scientology again, you are perfectly free to do so. It would be stupid. But you can do it. You can also dive off a bridge or blow your brains out. That is your choice.”).

The crowd really enjoyed Louis’s interaction with “filmers filming filmers,” especially the parts with Cathy Fraser and the dispute over where the private property begins and ends around Int Base. Jeff Hawkins has the counterpoint that Cathy is a good person at heart. Andrew Perez is amazing. If there is an award category for best performance by an actor in a dramatic reenactment in a documentary, he’d be a shoe-in. Amazing 1000-yard stare.

The reenactments didn’t take up as much time as I expected, but were the parts I was really looking forward to seeing. David Miscavige in “The Hole” was devastating, and it was clear the performance affected the other actors involved for the short amount of time. Biggest laughs (apart from Scientologists making a doco about Louis, and Louis being completely unfazed), was for actors auditioning for Tom Cruise, reading lines from the 2004 Freedom Medal of Valor speech, from the part where he says KSW and “pfffft.” The film highlights one actor after another doing Tom Cruise onomatopoeia….hilarious (well, you had to be there) Marty…. It is not fair to make judgments based on a documentary like this because the filmmaker is using characters and their reactions to tell a story.

It appears that the events are presented in the order they occurred (based on conversation and clothes, for example), but with only one viewing, I can’t be sure that events led to each other the way they were depicted. Marty appeared to be enjoying himself at the start, engaged and a little arrogant, and the audience response to Marty’s comments (around me) suggested they found him full of himself. The times Marty really has issue with Louis are when he is being asked about his behaviour as the cult enforcer (the circumstances are obviously more nuanced than I can record here). At this point in the film we have already seen TR bullbait exercises and examples of “tone 40.”

In the 2nd exchange where Marty gets annoyed (swearing, etc.) with Theroux, I admit I felt that Louis had been unfair, but my daughter (let’s call her Ellette – 21-year-old anthropology student; has seen Going Clear but is not familiar with all of the Marty drama) thought Marty’s reaction was over the top (her muttered response, to Marty: “get over yourself”). It made me think about how deeply-immersed Scientologists can wear an emotion instantly – like a mask. And how they use strongly emotional behaviours to manipulate people (demonstrated by Cathy Fraser for example, ridiculing Louis to get him to “cave in”). I suspect Louis was seeing beyond the display. It makes me consider that we can’t be sure with Marty whether emotional behaviour is an authentic response or manipulative posturing he chooses for whatever reason; whether his blog represents his real feelings or a caricature; a less ironic OTVIIIisgrr8.

One thing apparent from Marty’s appearance….he still has strong emotional…something…to Scientology. This in strong contrast to Marc Headley, Jeff Hawkins, and Tom de Vocht (Tom in particular was adored by the audience…more “fucks” than a Jason Beghe interview). These three spoke with the authority of first hand experience, but with a demeanour that reflects past experience….Marty’s demeanour suggests more immediate, raw feelings. Ellette’s characterisation: he didn’t leave because of the appalling things that were happening, but because they were now happening to him. Big snickersnort from me to hear a “rue the day” comment from Marty, aimed at Miscavige…

 
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[Ella and Ellette]

 
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Meanwhile, back in the bubble…

Things out here in blogland may be a little confusing at the moment, but the same old song is apparently being sung in the far-flung “outer orgs.” It’s from a far continent that we received an interesting report this week from a tipster about the stories the Church of Scientology is telling members about its evil former members.

We can’t confirm the details of what our tipster told us, so that’s something to keep in mind. But others we’ve talked to have said very similar things in the last few years.

Our correspondent tells us that he keeps his public discussion of Scientology to a minimum because someone close to him is involved in the church. But then, not long ago, he mentioned on Facebook that he was watching a particular feature film that Scientology considers “entheta.”

Someone at the local org notified his companion, who was very upset. She set up an appointment for him with the OSA representative for the area, a man we’ll call Dennis.

“[Dennis] started probing where my ‘entheta’ came from. I didn’t speak much. So he started ‘handling’ the rumors. He told me all the things we already know from the videos at [Freedom magazine]. That Marty Rathbun was an SP who was not letting Scientology handle the IRS back in 1993. That he was the one instituting the violence throughout Scientology. That it was Rathbun who had created an ethics interrogation system by which the ethics officer would interview the staff member having two guards stand by the door, which is ‘squirrel’ [not according to policy]. The weird thing is, he blamed Mike Rinder for having created the yelling scene with BBC journalist John Sweeney, when we all know it was Tommy Davis. He said the BBC had paid $25,000 to Mike Rinder to fly to London to lie on camera and tell lies about the church. He told me how beautiful it is at Int Base. How they have their laundry done. The food. They have their own doctor and dentist, who are both Sea Org members. He said he’d trained under Mike Rinder and that he’d never met Rathbun. And then later he said that he’d trained under Marty Rathbun and never met Rinder. His story was not checking out. Then he told me more about Rathbun’s position in the church. How he’d spent time aboard the Freewinds and then went to Flag and was responsible for admitting Lisa McPherson against all church policies. Then the most outrageous claim: That Lisa McPherson was living in her own separate place and had committed suicide! Obviously, he went on to talk wonders about David Miscavige and the unprecedented expansion. I was there to help my friend stay ‘on lines’ and not to debate the guy so I kept my mouth shut. He offered all of this information without me asking a thing. It goes to show how badly informed the OSA personnel are.”

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on September 9, 2016 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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  • Kim O’Brien

    I am not sure why The Oracle feels like no one wants to hear what she has to say . Personally ….i wanna buy her a bus pass so she can ” spread the truth ” on public transportation in every big city in the USA . I really think that people would give her a lot of really great feedback . I mean …she makes so much sense ….all those communication courses have really paid off . This is a gem

    ” Such insanity and ill formed mathematics and wrong values happen, when people are parked well below confusion.”

    now THAT is a tramp stamp tattoo just waiting to be inked

    • chukicita

      Wow. It has to be painful to cram the entirety of human emotion onto a two-dimensional linear hierarchy, and measure people with it. That’s like using a school ruler to measure light.

      • Kim O’Brien

        or clay to solve an algebraic equation . Or something . I am not sure why someones parking space would be BELOW anything other than a different parking structure . Kinda like at the mall .

        • chukicita

          Must be an OT thing. You know how they are about parking.

    • beauty for ashes

      I’d like to buy her rollerblades and a megaphone. πŸ˜‰ And a hat for sun protection.

      • Ben Franklin

        Whatever you do, don’t buy her coffee.

        • beauty for ashes

          Oooh… or bath salts!!!!!!

      • stanrogers

        The hat should probably be made of a lightweight and shiny metallic film or sheet of some sort… you know, to reflect the sunlight away efficiently.

        • beauty for ashes

          You’re not here much, Stan, but I find I excessively enjoy your commentary. So subtle, your humour is almost aerodynamic, and just sort of lands on your desk with a whisper like a paper airplane πŸ™‚

    • She is a true beliber!

    • Frodis73

      Lol, I bet she’d get her ass kicked…at least on the Cleveland bus line, It drives me nuts that she is always putting people on the tone scale like it’s a real thing. Wake the f up Oracle.

  • Bavarian Rage

    OT and not even Scientology related (unless you count 6 degrees of separation) but for those of us interested, here’s Colbert throwing some shade at our favourite Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi. The first points are not new but I always “like me a little Colbert-style skewering”. (f5)

    https://youtu.be/-kVXz4XCJts

    • Snippy_X

      wow

  • littlefish

    OT: I mentioned earlier in the week that I had been at Riot Fest and caught a bit of Juliette Lewis’ set while waiting for a much better band on the adjacent stage. I commented to a friend who I was with that I wanted to heckle her about Scientology and found out that this person I’ve known for 8+ years is also a never-in scientology watcher. What’s interesting about this friend is that she works in the entertainment industry. She lives and works in NY most of the time on 2 television shows, but has travelled and done several feature films featuring our FAVORITE scientologist. She said while he was unfailingly polite to the crew, that he had this disaffected air about him and that when he would laugh at jokes it seemed really forced and like he didn’t really *get* it.

    She’s possibly going to work on OITNB and one of her prinicples would be the SCIO on that show. I told her if she gets any juicy details to email our proprietor to see what kinds of things someone protected by the celebrity bubble gets into.

    • Missionary Kid

      OOOOOOOH! I love it. More sources.

    • Sibs

      Just as long as she’s careful not to get into any trouble!

      • littlefish

        It’s why I didn’t identify the shows or films – would be very easy to IMDB her.

        • littlefish

          If she went to OITNB it would only be if her primary show was on hiatus at the same time as filming.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    My big brother got crabs at burning man.

    • Cedilla
      • flyonthewall

        that looks so damn good right now *sigh*

        • Fly Lady

          too bad I’ve got a plan to intermittently starve you to death while you’re less than 20 ft. away from the kitchen!!

          • flyonthewall

            i see you like some irony in your murder. I like that

            • Fly Lady

              Did you enjoy your pepperonicide pizza?

            • flyonthewall

              here’s a little sneak preview of how it’s gonna go down 2nt in the Fly house. f5

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wait…………….

              This Fly Lady people have mentioned since I got back…

              She’s real?

            • flyonthewall

              she thinks she is

            • flyonthewall

              yes she’s my wife and started commenting once in awhile after meeting everyone at Howdycon in Cleveland.

            • Kestrel

              You’re a lucky man, Fly. She is a lovely and charming person.

            • flyonthewall

              Thank you sir. I’ll make sure to tell her you said so πŸ™‚

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s nice!

              So are you guys in the same IRL place now and also commenting in the same virtual place?

              You crazy kids with your social media.

            • flyonthewall

              Yep πŸ™‚

            • Fly Lady

              Well, I’m definitely not someone hired by fly to attend howdycon and pretend to be his wife… I am contractually obligated to tell you.

          • Juicer77

            XD

      • Snippy_X

        that’s just mean.

  • OOkpik

    Earlier Sid (Phil Jones) left us a link to download the Burning Man Call Me poster for our use and distribution.
    http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/09/scientologys-disconnection-policy-gets-sacrificed-on-the-burning-man-altar/#comment-2884706622

    TrevAnon also posted a link of a list of some of the people disconnected from their loved ones.
    http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/09/scientologys-disconnection-policy-gets-sacrificed-on-the-burning-man-altar/#comment-2884706622

    I repost these here so they won’t be so easily lost in the comments.

  • OT: Listen to the tape being played in the court. LoL!!! I sounds like Artoo32’s doing!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqMeMOUzdZs

    • Harpoona Frittata

      BIG Lulz! That “killer schools” screed was fantastic! I was surprised that folks in the courtroom who were listening to it could do so with a straight face!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Whoa that is nuts and not at all OT. Where was this?

      • See more on the youtube. It’s from a tweet

    • stanrogers

      Thundering expletive, that’s persuasive… and not at all whacko. I must warn all of the parents!!!!

      • Missionary Kid

        Even though i can swear a lot, I like “Thundering expletive”.

        • Rasha

          Whenever I stub my toe or some such thing, I tend to shout, “LALOCHEZIA!!!”

          • Kestrel

            I do the most interesting (and off-the-wall) Google searches reading this blog.

            • Rasha

              Rasha has learned many, many cool things here….. ^_^

          • Missionary Kid

            Laughing. When I was around my church friends growing up, we didn’t swear in front of each other, so, if anyone asked if one of us swore, we could say, honestly, that we’d never heard them swear.

            We used to say, “Mother Henna Fletchin Body”, which was totally nonsensical, but it served its purpose.

            • Rasha

              XD

            • Missionary Kid

              At my high school, once sports were over, we didn’t have to do anything during the last period, which was technically a gym class, so we indulged in BS sessions.

              Harold, another kid from my church was in one with me and some of my other school friends. At one point, someone had said some thing that begged for a wise-ass comment, and I said something like, “The hell it is.” The rest of the group chuckled, but both Harold and I practically fell on the ground laughing. The other guys looked at us strangely, but we didn’t explain that I’d broken the taboo against swearing in front of another church kid.

    • SciWatcher

      Wow…at first I thought that tape was a joke…but it’s actually one that is used? Or was? How can they think anyone not involved in cult think will take that seriously?

      • I remember the tape title from the bookstore, but not the recording

      • Looks like they have redone the thing in 2001 but it should be with the same text
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHVVdkQ9VWg

        • Kestrel

          Yeah, five minutes was enough of that. Thank you for finding it. I liked how the soft, compassionate tone changed when it was time for the listener to find their own faults, mis-understandings and mistakes.

        • MarcabExpat

          There are actually some changes from the earliest version. I went to Wikileaks not long ago looking for a transcript and was dismayed to find that it’s been smoothed out and updated a little. I prefer finding the old raw, ugly, uncensored versions of Scientology rants.

          • so the 1994 would be the original, but missing out on the full tape? or is it only the transcripts you were looking for. Maybe Once_born has something on this.

  • Ben Franklin

    Just came across this Australian trailer of My Scientology Movie. Interesting to see clips from behind the scenes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFjwfVCiefM

  • Rasha

    Is Disqus really slow, or is it time to reboot the RashaRouter?

    • stanrogers

      Yes.

      • Rasha

        Oh, cool! Then I’ll jus– hey….

    • LongtimeLurker

      It’s Disqus.

      • Rasha

        Gotcha. Also, my notifications aren’t working, so it’s either also Disqus, or my browser settings, which are acting odd. May need a reinstall.

        • LongtimeLurker

          It was super slow for a couple of hours yesterday as well.

          Strange.

          • Rasha

            Worked pretty normally on the iPad, so I uninstalled/reinstalled on the laptop. Seems to have done the trick.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Now I’m really confused, because it was on my iPad that I had problems.

              Whay does technology hate me?!?

            • stanrogers

              You were mean to it in the second grade.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    The Psychiatric Illuminati Behind “Burning Man” Incinerate Mankind’s Only Hope of Salvation in a Scientology Witch Hunt

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/BurningMan1-e1473412421559.jpg

    “Once again the Psychiatric Illuminati have attacked Mankind’s only hope of salvation when they burned Scientology scripture in their Scientology witch hunt,” declared Church spokesman Ken Delusion. “Freedom Magazine has discovered that the Psychs behind Burning Man had premeditated this plot to burn Scientology in effigy in a bonfire while pretending that it was a just action decrying our sacred doctrine of Disconnection.”

    “This bonfire unequivocally proves that the anti-Scientology community has now become far worse than OSA, Fair Game, RPF, Sea Org child labor, Sea Org slavery, and Disconnection rolled into one,” complained Delusion. “Setting ablaze a depiction of our holy religious doctrine of Disconnection is an act of hate.”

    “COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige has authorized the IAS to spend $1.2 billion dollars to purchase 50,000 acres of land in the Black Rock desert of Gerlach, Nevada. This privatization of the land will put an end to all future Burning Man festivals. That Burning Man is backed by the Psychiatric Illuminati is easily proven by the blasphemous Temple of Xenu at which human sacrifices were conducted,” Delusion noted.

    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/920x920_zps58wty1l5.jpg

    • Yeah! Farsecs spent like 2 billions to build Ideal Dianetics symbol Org and burnt it.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Dodo, the godless Farsecians must be stopped! Fleet Admiral David Miscavige has ordered you rendezvous with him at Taco Truck #8 at 2230 hours. There is a dangerous mission that needs to be done. You alone are the only man COB can entrust with this mission and the very fate of this planet.

    • They’re going to partner with militia groups to privatize it. The future festival of manly freemanliness will be known as Bundy Man.

    • DoveAlexa

      ’bout fuckin time!

  • Kim O’Brien

    To any Colorado Bunkerbots – best thing ever …right down the street from my house …refresh

    • stanrogers

      But not on every corner?

      • Kim O’Brien

        pot store …taco truck …pot store ..taco truck . Right to the right of the truck ..is pot store called Lightshade …so really , every OTHER corner πŸ˜‰

        • stanrogers

          It’ll have to do, I guess.

    • flyonthewall

      the prophecy! It’s all true!!

    • Frodis73

      Yum, I am on my way…

  • Richard Grant

    There’s more from Marty. I’ll paste it here in case you’re disinclined to contribute to his traffic.

    —-

    Tony Ortega’s Cowardly Invention of News

    Tony Ortega was questioned by one of his followers on my exposure of Tony’s sleazy, dishonest reporting the other day on My Scientology Movie. The inquirer purports to be a full-fledged bunkeroo, and law school graduate. She also regularly trolls my blog, slavishly pandering to Ortega. Here is the thread:

    Chee Chalker β€’ 3 days ago

    Tony, Marty claims that you misquoted him. Or maybe it’s that you didn’t quote him enough. You only printed 1/20th of his response.

    Your post says you asked him about his recent posts. His post said his response to you β€œcognitive dissonance and paranoia”) was in response to another question of yours.

    Maybe I am a glutton for punishment, but is his entire response worth posting?

    Tony Ortega Mod Chee Chalker β€’ 3 days ago

    Sorry. Not going to be baited into publishing material I can’t make public.

    I made public what I can at this point.

    Tony Ortega Mod Tony Ortega β€’ 3 days ago

    And no, he was not misquoted.

    β€”

    I never said Ortega β€œmisquoted me”. I actually wrote the following in response to a commenter on my blog who suggested that I am responsible for Ortega’s sickness by not answering his questions: β€œOrtega never asked me about my review. He published 1/20 of a response to an entirely different question. Clearly, he owns you.” Ortega was in fact challenging me on my use of the term β€œASC”, while hurling abusive accusations at me.

    In either event, Tony goes on owning Chee Chalker and the rest of his sheep with claims of insider knowledge that justifies/validates his ongoing innuendo campaign: β€œSorry. Not going to be baited into publishing material I can’t make public. I made public what I can at this point.”

    That is how he kept his faithful drinking his Kool Aid during his four-month campaign against my family. He claims insider knowledge that he is afraid of the consequences of sharing. Another part of my answer referred to above that he only published 1/20th (as you’ll see, it might have been more like 1/100th) of out of context, confronted Ortega with that very sleaze tactic he is so fond of. To wit,

    β€œIf inventions of this kind are required for you to understand my posts and the use of the term ASC, your mind is far more infected with cognitive dissonance and paranoia than any scientologist I have ever encountered. You are also a coward and liar. You represented to your readers on several occasions in writing that you know what actually went on [with Monique’s lawsuit], but couldn’t disclose it at that time. That was stated in response to several people speculating as to milder motives on our part than you projected. You used definitive statements as to your insider, undisclosed knowledge to forward your hate against us. I knew you were lying then. You have now confirmed that fact in writing below.”

    The β€œinventions of this kind” referred to had nothing to do with My Scientology Movie or anything Ortega claimed it was in response to.

    Some of the published comments by Ortega during his anti-Rathbun campaign that I was referring to here were:

    β€œI know more than I can say.”

    and

    β€œI know what happened. What you propose isn’t it.”

    and

    β€œI have some details that I can’t talk about yet. I will when I can.”

    It has been nearly five months since he implied that he would put up or shut up – and as per usual, he instead lied and has done neither. He continues perpetuating the fraud with more of the same dissembling conduct.

    There is no difference whatsoever in the tactics Tony Ortega regularly uses to warp his followers’ minds than what he accuses the object of his obsession with. Kettle, meet pot.

    • Ka-Pow!

      At this point I only wonder wtf is he on about?!

    • Kestrel

      I’m not one to speculate, but I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that Marty won’t be inviting Tony over to have a few beers and watch the game anytime soon.

      • Richard Grant

        Haha!

        This is a perfect moment for that time-honored question, Which one would you rather have a beer with?

        • Kestrel

          Depends on how loquacious Marty is when drunk. I have more than 20 questions I’d like to ask him. If Marty’s not one to let go when drunk, then Tony. He can really hold an audience.

    • LongtimeLurker

      What an ass.

    • flyonthewall

      Is Marty actually calling someone out on saying they have info that can’t be revealed now but will be soon? Marty freakin invented that move!! He’s just mad cuz Tony stole it from him and does it with way more style.

      • edge

        Still preparing the ground, I see.

        • Kestrel

          More like salting it.

        • flyonthewall

          I’m still waiting on this evidence that we hired PI’s to spy on his family

          • edge

            Don’t worry. I have The Oracle spamming his page while another of my highly trained PIs go through his trash… πŸ™‚

            • flyonthewall

              oh good. Could you have one of them poop on his lawn while they’re at it? Yes, yes I know it’s extra, I got it covered.

            • edge

              That would be doing Marty a service in helping him prepare the ground. Maybe we’ll do like The Martian and try to farm potatoes in it

            • flyonthewall

              I really wish Marty would get sucked into the vacuum of outer space. *sigh*

            • Kestrel

              Don’t do it, edge! Fly ate pepperonicide pizza tonight, so you won’t get paid.

            • flyonthewall

              pft, child’s play. It’ll take more than that to take me down

          • littlefish

            SH NO ONE TELL HIM MY MOM IS A PI. Not licensed in his state buuuut

        • Ella Raitch

          I wish he he’d come over and do that in my yard

      • Richard Grant

        I would imagine that in Tony’s case, a matter of journalistic ethics is involved. (That’s different from Scientology ethics πŸ˜‰

        Let me speculate based on absolutely zero knowledge: Someone with inside information let Tony know, off the record, what kind of deal Marty struck which explains his recent remarkable public behavior. Tony agreed not to publish this information at present, pending possible further developments. But as a reporter he is not constrained from asking Marty, “So hey, is it true that you agreed to X, Y and Z in exchange for Dave’s promising to leave you and your family alone?”

        Given Marty’s agitated and disordered state of mind, he might construe such a query as “abusive.” The word he’s looking for, though, is “embarrassing.”

        • edge

          Marty would never admit to taking a deal, even though some sort of arrangement (even if it is not financial) is the logical conclusion most people come to. Admitting to even a quid pro quo would destroy his self-image as a Scientology badass, not to mention destroy any credibility he has left in the Ex community and the mainstream media which he has made several appearances with in the last year and a half. So, he puffs his chest and says he solved this all by himself, stiffs his lawyers and has several posts pointing to a “come back to Dave” moment all while slagging anyone and everyone.
          Marty, despite what you most certainly think, we’re not stupid. We can put two and two together.

        • flyonthewall

          Exactly. I wasn’t making a genuine comparison b/w what Tony does and what Marty does bc they’re light years apart. Just a joke to make a point that Marty is making my hypocrisy meter go through the roof right now. f5

          • Ella Raitch

            She’s gonna blow!!!!

      • sizzle8

    • Rathbun is a self-absorbed lunatic that just barely learned the phrase “coginitive dissonance” exists. Although he acts like he is a licensed psychotherapist with a doctorate, he is not. He has nothing and all of his knowledge means nothing in the real world. He’s a Scientology expert and I feel like he is desperately trying to translate that into some kind of real-world recognition and failing repeatedly. He should know better than to alienate the only people who give a shit about his useless knowledge.

      • Richard Grant

        “He should know better than to alienate the only people who give a shit about his useless knowledge.”

        This is such a good point.

        • Kestrel

          Friend come and go, but enemies accumulate. He seems determined to speed up that process.

      • edge

        This: He is an (ex?)scientologist that desperately wishes all those years of Scientology education and indoctrination meant something to the real world. Writer? Blogger? Journalist? Author? Nope, on all counts.

        • Dylan

          That is a hard pill to swallow indeed. One that MUST be taken down with a larg glass of water. OR some one will feel others need to rue days.

      • Juicer77

        Well said. It’s sad, because he has an inquisitive mind that could be turned to many other topics, but his arrogance gets in the way.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I also particularly like that Chee “trolls” his page.

      Because that’s what we call polite questions now.

      You’re a princess Marty.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s exactly what Trump calls questions he doesn’t like, or that ask for real information.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Like all bullies, Marty and Trump can dish it out but not take it.

          Man, I hate that kind of gutless, shifty BS.

          • Missionary Kid

            They don’t like their BS, untrue pronouncements questioned.

      • DoveAlexa

        this princess (f5)

        • LongtimeLurker

          Arg!

    • Frodis73

      Oh, and he has the NERVE to bitch about you not producing some evidence…wtf!? He made those horrible claims about you and bunkeroos and promised evidence is coming….soon. What a hypocrite!!

    • littlefish

      Dude. WTF.

    • Libertylover

      Marty’s vituperation of Tony and all critical questioners, is really getting exhausting. His obsequious commenters are a study in self obsessed, sycophantic minutia and hyperbolic posturing.
      Grow the fuck up. you bunch of butt hurt babies. So you were told off or banned and now you can’t let it go.
      Marty got his feelings hurt cos people laughed at him, now he’s gotta get his mojo back and show he’s a badass. It’s just loquacious empty heckling and wildly exaggerated innuendo.
      Oracle, what can you say? She’s so exhausting, so confused, yet starkly lacking in her 1000 word self awareness.
      Marty’s blog is looking lugubrious and his obfuscation tedious.
      He hints at more to come, but the things that were eventually shared, were lame and fell way short of his promises.
      It’s all so juvenile, I’m gonna steer clear and read the crap in monthly or longer segments, otherwise I’ll get worn down and suffer some Stockholm Syndrome like symptoms.
      What an utter twat Marty moved up to, can’t imagine where he was at before this.

      • flyonthewall

        I think you mean Oracle, not Observer πŸ˜‰

        • Libertylover

          I do, thanks changed it .

        • Robert Eckert

          Oracle’s the one with the 1000 words. Observer usually has a picture instead. That’s worth more.

      • Richard Grant

        I found him a compelling figure for a while — something like an Albert Speer of Scientology. Like Speer he seemed to be publicly wrestling with big questions of truth and guilt and moral responsibility.

        Also like Speer, some of this public soul-searching appears to have been put on for calculated effect. But unlike Speer, the show seems to become less interesting over time, as the protagonist grows smaller and smaller.

        • Noesis

          Speer was a definitely a mixed bag…and yes there were moments of humility. Not entirely sure they were always genuine moments or rather just convenience.

          A quote below from John Kenneth Galbraith on Speer and some of his associates – there are remarkable similarities in the observation by Galbraith on senior Nazi leadership and the reported tendencies of senior execs in the COS:

          Oy.

          • LongtimeLurker

            “Marty Rathbun. Less humble than Albert Speer.”

            • Noesis

              Lol.

              Would make a nice T-shirt.

      • LongtimeLurker

        You’re exhausted?

        Imagined how tired they must be.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Sigh.

    • JaxNGold

      Jesus H Christ. Is this guy for real? Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t remember Tony claiming to have any “insider knowledge” about the lawsuit being dropped other than to say “I’m pretty sure there’s been no settlement”. Am I mistaken?

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s what I thought, too.

        It’s almost like Marty suffers from crippling projection issues.

        Almost.

    • Spackle Motion

      If Marty is trying to prove to the world that he’s insane, I’m not buying it.

      He is getting quite good at becoming a professional troll……oh….wait.

    • MarcabExpat

      I’m sorry, my DB eyes don’t roll high enough for this little diatribe.

      • Frodis73

        lol-that was good.

    • dungeon master

      Thanks for posting this Richard.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      The girls in my junior high school weren’t this childish and high-maintenance. It is really getting tiresome. But Marty is obviously trying to bait Tony into something. Good on TO for standing his ground, above it all.

    • Juicer77

      Thanks, I prefer not to give his blog any traffic. I read this at least three times to figure out who said what, according to Rathbun, but it’s so poorly written that honestly I can’t tell. And I don’t want to waste more time trying to figure it out. SMH

  • Very off topic. Please ignore this, unless you are metal head.
    This is how I feel about Metallica’s new single. New album in November. First in 8 years.
    So sad if that’s all they got.

    MESHUGGAH, on the other hand…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LpMZuBEMk

    • What’sup

      I saw the Pentagram doco “Last days here” the other night. So sad but quite brilliant.

    • MarcabExpat

      I am not a metalhead at all (more like operahead) but I don’t feel like ignoring you.

      Hi, my dear.

      …ok, carry on.

    • Juicer77

      Not a metalhead, but I can commiserate when a favorite artist produces crap.

  • TonyOrtega

    Marty Rathbun claims that I sent him an “abusive” email asking for information. He then reproduces his sneering and self-serving response [almost] in its entirety.

    I cannot make public the question I sent for ethical reasons. But Marty can make it public. Why didn’t he, and prove that I was being “abusive?”

    You have my permission to make my query public, Marty. Please be my guest.

    • Frodis73

      I just saw that. He won’t and I would bet my last dollar on that.

    • Frodis73

      By the way, since I am so clearly owed by you, can I have a loan or something? Just a few k…I swear I will pay you back. I have to get something out of this ya know? πŸ™‚

      • Kestrel

        You’re doing it wrong, Frodis. You’re supposed to reply to yourself. Or so it would seem.

        • Frodis73

          Lmao, that made my day…I thought about it for a minute, but freaking Oracle drives me nuts.

          • Kestrel

            My job here is done.

      • What’sup

        I actually traded Tony for you. I wouldn’t pay any mind that it only cost me 5 packs of Emu Jerky! He’s clearly addicted to the stuff.

        You don’t have to call me Master or anything.

        • Frodis73

          This is cool, but it also means I am coming to visit ASAP now that I know somebody down under mate! (off to pack my bags, see ya ‘Murica!)

          • What’sup

            Yay.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you, Marty, for contributing to the online traffic at the Underground Bunker.

      • Juicer77

        We need a Part II to the “who’s bringing down $camatology” article…
        Top 25 People Bringing More Traffic To The Underground Bunker

    • sizzle8

      Marty’s writing style rings a bell.
      Was it in one of those cartoonish Freedom magazines?

    • flyonthewall

      Now is probably a good time to hold a press conference don’t you think?

    • littlefish

      Sorry you’re dealing with such a windbag, but I gotta say that somehow this is supremely entertaining. I’m with Frodis that I bet that he’d never actually post the entire email exchange. MARTY. I WILL SEND YOU ONE DOLLARYDOO FOR THE ENTIRE EMAIL EXCHANGE.

    • Rasha

      …soooo… You both know the question, and he can make it public while you can’t, so if he does, he’ll be granting your wish, but as long as he doesn’t, he can continue to tell everyone that it is abusive and sick and so on and so forth…. close?

      • Kestrel

        I would like to take this moment to thank you for not using a word I had never heard of before.

        • Rasha

          Hehehe!! Sillyhead.

          • flyonthewall

            Rasha, you and Jimmy were in my dream last night. We were trying to get to a concert (Failure and Fantomas) but couldn’t bc I kept getting us lost and almost driving us off cliffs etc. There was more but I can’t remember it now

            • Rasha

              Sounds like WAY more fun than the concert!

    • kemist

      But that would ruin his nice mystery sandwich and he has spent so much time making it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Marty thinks that professional journalism and some guy blogging are exactly the same.

      He literally cannot understand how ethics comes into it.

      I suspect that we’ve all been fooled for a long time by Marty’s demeanour and presentation into thinking that whatever his issues, at least he was intelligent.

      I now believe that he is actually stupid.

      • Kestrel

        He is well-read, but that does not assure appropriate application of the knowledge.

      • Kim O’Brien

        YES A MILLION TIMES

        for fucks sake …he saluted a dog . While wearing a fake uniform . The kid down the street with downs syndrome has a job and wears regular clothes ..and just says ” hi” to dogs …like a normal person .

        • Missionary Kid

          OT. You know how a dog salutes, don’t you? It lifts a leg and pees.

        • stanrogers

          I may have to downvote that so I can upvote it again.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’d forgotten about that.

          How did I forget about that?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Killin’ me here! I guess when it comes right down to it that really does have to be the acid test πŸ˜‰

          And I can’t help but think that lil davey the sadistic savage thought that ridiculous bit of humiliation up as a test to see just how stupid people could get.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i have a feeling that at this point …DM knows that he he is asshole and he has just embraced that about himself and he loves it

            Marty likes to think of himself as a good guy …as he assists in the ” not gonna save her but i did not slice her throat so i am innocent and not my fault she is dead ” defense . Of TWO women that we know of . Lisa M …and Annie B

            lucky for Marty …Louis did not make a movie about that .

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yep. I couldn’t agree more.

              He has a self image at odds with how most of the rest of the world sees him.

              He needs to own his past. I’m not even talking about apologies, public or otherwise, he needs to own it to himself.

            • Kim O’Brien

              Patriarchy in full bloom .. is a horrible , awful , violent , subjugating , misogynistic , destructive force . Men who swim in that lake …need to be confronted with their bullshit often ..and verbally / intellectually emasculated quickly …and publicly …by smart women . It is how ..as a species …we survive . They tend to kill us when no one is looking

            • Ella Raitch

              Quite right. Marty is indicted in the film by his own behaviour, not by a laundry list of his misdeeds

        • Ella Raitch

          Rofl = roaring on the floor laughing

      • Missionary Kid

        I believe that Marty, like DM, is crafty and intelligent, but so totally psychologically fucked up that his Emotional Quotient is very low. In remaking themselves in Hubbard’s example, they’ve lost themselves.

      • What’sup

        Clearly an idiot, definately a bully and pretty effin’ tapped.

    • iampissed

      Marty…time to flip your card.

    • aquaclara

      Aah, the drama continues. Sorry that Scientology experiences tie everyone up in knots, well, frequently.

      I wish Marty knew many of us have been rooting for his good health, happy life, freedom and healing over these many years. That’s it. It does not get any simpler than that.

      …as healthy as my hale and hearty hubby
      …as happy and joyous as my favorite 5 year old was this past Tuesday, her very first day of kindergarten.
      …as appreciative of true freedom as my various immigrant relatives were the day they each got off the boat.
      …and healing as deeply as so many of our dear friends here who have escaped, persevered, shared and started over.
      .

      • Frodis73

        Yes, and I guess that is why his behavior is pissing me off. He keeps blaming Tony for some hate campaign that is total BS. With the exception of a small handful of people here, the vast majority of us were very supportive of both of them. It wasn’t until he put up that “rue the day” post, etc. that people started questioning. The day we found out about the lawsuit I remember the shock and how so many were concerned that since they pulled out of it vs winning/settlement that meant there was *nothing* that would stop DM from starting the harassment all over again. So, yes people were saying it was nuts, not that Mosey was nuts or literally crazy. He blew up over absolutely nothing. Has he never heard of the word hyperbole before??? I don’t know what his motive or game is, but whatever the outcome is, he has nobody but himself to blame.

        • LongtimeLurker

          As far as I can recall, before I went away there were rarely any negative comments about Marty and certainly none from Tony.

          I can’t believe that everyone just suddenly became abusive over the lawsuit thing.

          Marty is feeding this. Marty is pulling it in.

          • Frodis73

            Exactly! In fact, off the top of my head, can only recall one person flat out not liking Marty and he has always been open and up front about it. He totally pulled this in.

            • LongtimeLurker

              And if we’re thinking about the same person, I actually remember replies jumping to Marty’s defence.

              You made the bed Marty, you can unmake it.

              Edit – a word.

            • Frodis73

              Yep, that is how I remember it too!

        • Robert Eckert

          “that meant there was *nothing* that would stop DM from starting the harassment all over again”
          Turns out there is *one thing* Marty can do to stop DM from starting the harassment all over again…

          • Frodis73

            Seems so huh? πŸ™‚

    • JaxNGold

      Marty — you just got owned.

    • littlefish

      Real question: does Marty understand sarcasm?

    • MarcabExpat

      That microphone fall down go boom.

    • Sunny

      I’m confused. (well to be honest all the drama is too much for me).
      But I thought the lawsuit was dropped because it served his purpose (something to that effect). Seemed like they were not being bothered anymore and were ready to get on with their lives. I get that. (Whether that was right or wrong or whether the lawyers should have been cut off like that is another matter).
      So why don’t they just get on with their lives then?
      Go away and never be bothered again. Easy.
      Nope. Attention whores love attention, I guess.

      • Frodis73

        Well the only reason they were not being bothered anymore is because of the lawsuit and restraining order. That is why so many were confused when they just dropped it w/out any assurance that DM wouldn’t just start up all over again.
        As for getting on w/their lives…your guess is as good as mine! He says he is housecleaning at the blog…it would be better to just take his own advice and just stop talking/blogging about sci and live his life.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          But scientology was and is his life. What’s he got outside of that? He’ll never let go completely.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Posting the answer to your question, but failing to quote the question itself, doesn’t help the reader to understand much at all of what prompted his butt hurt tirade. It’s as if he’s carrying on a continuing rant from some earlier time that has little or nothing to do with whatever question that you might have asked. That is, unless your question was, “Marty, can you please tell me again, why all sore-bottomed vitriol directed at me and those who I’ve supposedly conspired with against you?”

      When someone is answering in direct response to an explicit question, it’s generally not that difficult to figure out what the gist of the question was, even if you don’t have the text of it before you. In this case, though, all that seems clear is that whatever you asked, his response wasn’t a tracking answer to it.

      And refusing to post the question, even after being given explicit permission to do so, just leaves folks to speculate on what his reasons for not wanting it to be made public could be and to fill in that vacuum with their own speculative conjectures.

      I can understand and respect an individual’s right to keep a private conversation private, but to choose to make your part of it public while holding the other party to an ethical obligation of privacy just seems wrong to me and invites suspicion.

    • Bob Crouch

      The technique of publishing an email (or other mail) thread while omitting one party is a staple of scientology publications. For example, one only needs to consult their hate sites against certain media offerings to see long lists of their lawyer letters taken entirely out of context.
      I’m not subscribing to the alarmist scenarios of “look, Marty’s back in the OSA now.” However, it DOES go to show that–fortunately, not in all case–you can take the boy out of the cult, but you can’t take the cult out of the boy!

  • Kim O’Brien

    I love how Marty calls Chee a ” law school graduate” like it is a ” low tone” thing. Cuz , ya know …she went to law school . Real law school . With books and stuff .

    Everyone knows that Marty will not publish the email . Even the Oracle knows he won’t . She will just call it ” parking a condition” or something …as opposed to what it is . cowardice

    • Frodis73

      I’m sure Marty thinks he can out lawyer her too!

      • Rasha

        …if they last long enough, maybe.

      • flyonthewall

        that didn’t work out too well in “Monique’s” lawsuit did it? Oops

    • LongtimeLurker

      What ISN’T low tone according to Marty?

      • Missionary Kid

        Marty.

        • LongtimeLurker

          But only until Marty does something that really pisses Marty off.

          And then that Marty jerk will be just like all those other ingrates who don’t understand Marty.

      • Kim O’Brien

        dragging a woman back from the airport after she escaped from a cult and handing her over to the cult leader …and then running like a pussy . Oh …she died . Very HIGH tone . He’s a great guy .

        • littlefish

          And bonkers ass Oracle goes on a multi post tirade about how Marty “never attacks women” when there is proof after proof that that isn’t true. I know cognitive dissonance is Marty’s phrase of the moment bc he just learned what it means, but that woman is the definition of it. Yeikes.

          • Kim O’Brien

            ” he only beats me when he’s drunk ..and that’s hardly ever”

            what a guy .

            • stanrogers

              Or t’other way ’round. From Fiddler on the Roof’s Matchmaker:

              They say he has a temper, he’ll beat you every night, but only when he’s sober… so you’re all right!

            • Liberated

              Excuses, excuses.

          • edge

            You know when you look at a word long enough and you start wondering where it came from and who created it? That’s Marty and cognitive dissonance.

            • kemist

              He’s like my little brother when he was 8 or 9.

              He’d learn a new word and use it everywhere, even when it made no sense.

        • sizzle8

          exactly!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Annie’s story is such a gut punch. Marty will never own that.

    • Looooooool

    • kemist

      Oh, Marty is much better educamated, see.

      He’s done the Student Hat.

      • edge

        Multiple times. Clearing all the MUs in Hubbard’s writing is clearly superior to any vocational degree.

      • Observer

        “What’s the matter with you, hat?”

        • MarcabExpat

          *squeals with delight* I can’t believe I’ve never made that connection before :-))))))))

  • flyonthewall

    Marty, if I gave you $5 from my pocket would that make it better?

  • salin

    Today’s bunker edition is spurring interesting and informative discussion. In appreciation I share a haunting aurora pic from earlier today in Finish Lapland: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=129234&PHPSESSID=t380c39kgdjfhfi7bu6g5grsi5

  • LongtimeLurker

    LongtimeLurker OSA (Office Of Snarky Attacks)

    We’re trying to run a cult here people, enough with the Mickey Mouse crap.

    Due to the upspike in traffic over the past hour we have run out of Kool Aid again.

    Come on! This is bullshit. Provable bullshit.

    Someone needs to mix up another batch of Rathberry Rue ASAP.

    Also, Tony I’m worried that last night just before going to sleep I had an original thought that wasn’t influenced by The Bunker’s North Korean style gang mentality.

    Could we please assign someone to kick the bejesus out of me until I get my act together?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hur hur πŸ˜›

    • edge

      It’s happening. Soon. Soon. Soon…
      The Rue is Due…

    • DoveAlexa

      I’ll do it, as long as I get to use my Hulk Hands.

      • LongtimeLurker

        The ones that play sound effects when you hit things? I’ve got those too!

    • flyonthewall

      how about we split the difference and I push you down the stairs?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thanks. You’re a pal.

      • Spackle Motion

        This video never gets old (to me).

      • Baby

        I have never seen this before.. I love it.. thanks Dice..

      • LongtimeLurker

        Never gets old. I still lol.

  • iampissed

    Wow I leave to go find a nice Onsen and see what happens.

    • iampissed

      It just hit me …gillman springs was at one time a nice Onsen.
      Look what happened….pissed is sad.

  • iampissed

    Can someone please explain to me what the disqus thought bubble
    With the numbers is for.

    • DoveAlexa

      It’s your notifications, you right click it and a side pannel should pop up to show you who’s been upvoting or replying to you. If it’s not working when you click it, click your name, and go to your profile and you’ll eventually get to your notification page through there.

      • iampissed

        Thank yoou

    • UhLasare

      Click on the red bubble with numbers, you will see your notifications – likes and comments you’ve received.

      • iampissed

        Thank you

    • iampissed

      Wow 3 responses in speed of light…Thanks.
      Now I’m looking forward to reading them.

    • Hey Man… Git me self some Tablets and fumbling around just like you.. It’s all good!

      • iampissed

        Could you please explain…….fumbling around just like you?

        • You do use a tablet?

          • iampissed

            Yes you are right…I would love to know how you know that
            You owe me a beer.

            • I am an ex-scio we knows these things, haven’t you heard?
              I do owe you a beer!
              It’s very different with a tablet, lot’s of things you can’t do, like using a mouse lol

            • iampissed

              So what do you think kids..should I collect that beer.

            • iampissed

              And how do I do that

            • stanrogers

              On Windows, Mac or Linux?

            • iampissed

              I’ll wait for more info

            • The flight is 12-14 hours

            • iampissed

              Is it someplace interesting…like an onsen..or so

            • iampissed

              Pissed loves hot water

            • What is an onsen?

            • Robert Eckert

              Japanese word for steam bath, similar to sauna etc.

            • iampissed

              I don’t normally up vote myself

    • iampissed

      Ok got it

    • LongtimeLurker

      Related – do you know about the handy minus sign to the top right of each comment?

      • iampissed

        No please teach

        • LongtimeLurker

          Pleasure, treasure.

          It will collapse whatever part of a thread is below it.

          So if it’s the first comment and you hit that button, the entire thread collapses into a single line (you can uncollapse by clicking again).

          Useful if you’re sick of scrolling past massive threads that don’t interest you.

          Often used on me, I suspect.

          • The [Hide media] is also valuable

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oh yeah.good call!

          • iampissed

            Thank you

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Tony Ortega: wognitive dissidence at it’s finest

    There was a false gurue called Marty
    His folly, oh, it was not too hearty
    His Kool-Aids were brimless
    All his zeroes were rimless
    And nobody came to his party

  • Liberated

    Just when you think the world can’t get any crazier…….Kim Jong Un has banned “Sarcasm”.

    • edge

      Sounds like something Scientology would do…and already has. J&D has been frowned upon since the days of Hubbard, and MIscavige carries this on. Rules made by dictators that can’t tell if people are laughing with them or at them.

      • Liberated

        So true, in fact that’s the first thing I thought about.

        “How dare you have fun and laugh”
        “I must put a stop to this levity!”

    • stanrogers

      Hey, that’ll work!

      • LongtimeLurker

        I see what you did there.

    • iampissed

      Yea and if you read the reports…well sounds familiar.

  • Frodis73

    The Oracle has now weighed in…talk about being owned!!

    The Oracle
    September 9, 2016 at 7:42 pm
    |
    Reply
    Chee Chalker alter ises so fast even he
    can’t understand what just happened. He’s just apprenticing under Tony
    Ortega. They are both as vital to the nation as the California drought.

    • kemist

      Oracle’s recent posts are curiously thick with scientologese.

      For someone who is accusing others of cult like behavior, she is spectacularly blind to her own patterns.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “alter-ises”

        Shut up.

        Also the assumption that Chee is male.

        Be proud Marty, you got a real keeper there.

        • Ben Franklin

          It is one big bed occupied by strange fellows. Most of them seem to share a common trait of having been banned from either ESMB or the Bunker at one point, at least as far as I can tell.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah, when I was going through their comments for that KR, ESMB came up a lot.

            Funny, they hate Theroux, Ron Miscavige, Tony, all of The Bunker, ESMB, and sometimes each other…

            It almost sounds like they might be part of the problem…

            • Ben Franklin

              I think they are just more into picking sides as I don’t believe any of them have ever even met Tony, Theraux or Ron Miscavige. They just hate them because Marty dislikes them and they are accustomed to picking sides and not being independent. It is ironic that they all claim to have “transcended” above the “us against them” mentality yet they seem to be fighting an imaginary battle against the “Bunkeroos”

            • Justmeteehee

              Damn somebody had to say it.

        • Chee Chalker

          I didn’t know Tony owned me. I’d like to know why he has rented me out to these horrible children for so many years.

          • stanrogers

            I believe the young people are still saying ROFLMAO.

          • Juicer77

            XD

      • Frodis73

        She is a living, breathing, walking, talking example of cog dis.

    • Kestrel

      “They are both as vital to the nation as the California drought.”

      That’s a heck of a compliment. A prolonged drought in California has a serious impact on the country’s food supply. jeopardizes the viability of whole sections of the region, and the nation’s economy is adversely impacted.

      • Chee Chalker

        I’ve never felt so powerful!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I loved the fact that Oracle did not get the humor in your comment about not having alter–ised or whatever the word is into being a male.

          • Chee Chalker

            Yea right over her head.
            I thought it was a pretty good joke actually

            I’m wasting my best material over there

    • Chee Chalker

      Oracle thinks I am a man!

      This was my response to Marty. I seriously think I have a dent in my head from banging it into the wall:

      OM goodness! You are hilarious!
      I’ve tried giving you the benefit of the doubt even though when you were caught LYING you just ignored it.
      So I guess my question to you is (and you’ve heard this question before)…..were you lying then or are you lying now?

      The first lie is your ‘proof’ that ‘Ruthless’ is ‘provable bs’. You claimed Miscavige NEVER spoke to PIs and when confronted with a (rather descriptive) paragraph from ‘Memoirs’ about how Miscavige wrestled the phone out of your hand in order to speak to a PI, you said nothing. Granted, some of the Rahtboners tried to defend you by saying ‘oh well it was just that one time….’ As if qualifying your ‘fact’ with the ‘yea, but it was just once’ helped bolster your argument. IMO all it did was draw attention to the fact that you can’t keep your stories straight. Perhaps you were hoping that no one would remember ‘Memoirs’ that thoroughly.
      Ignoring for the moment that you have been out of ‘corporate’ Scientology for 12 years, you posit as FACT that Miscavige never spoke to PIs, both back when were the ‘baddest dude in scientology’ and since you’ve been out. How could you possibly know that what the man did 24/7 and in the 12 years since you’ve been gone?

      Secondly, (Lie #2): you were presented with the question of why Theroux read correspondence from you at the London premier wherein you said you liked the film. Once again, crickets on your end, (but a Rathboner did jump to suggest that maybe you were being sarcastic when you wrote that).

      I don’t know whether or not you wrote anything to anybody concerning the film, but I am guessing if that was false you’d be accusing Theroux of treason or some other imaginary status.

      Third……as far as ‘putting up or shutting up’, let me quote John McEnroe…YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
      You have been claiming to ‘have the goods that would crush Miscavige’ for YEARS.
      Not to mention all the recent ridiculousness with the ‘I have proof Bunkerites have hired PIs to follow my family!…….which I will release in due time….’

      Fourth, it might help your ‘argument’ if you properly cite those quotes attributed to Tony….for example, the date of the posts those quotes are plucked from. Because I would love to read them in context.

      Finally, my 20 year law school reunion is next month. If you would like to come to Chicago you can come as my date.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Pssst, Oracle!

        Your issues are showing!

        • Chee Chalker

          I think she has been sweet on me this entire time! Well won’t she be disappointed!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Ha!

          • Justmeteehee

            Warn me not to sip wine first, it burns when snorted out my nose.

      • Frodis73

        That is an awesome reply. I wonder if he will let it through? (snickersnort)

      • Missionary Kid

        Forget Oracle. I want to be your date. πŸ™‚ I’m sure I can learn a lot from you.

      • Frodis73

        Well,, this is the reply he put through:
        Chee Chalker
        September 9, 2016 at 8:44 pm
        Reply

        Oracle, I’m a lady.

        I haven’t β€˜alter-ised’ that much!

        Somebody here said it days ago, but it bears repeating, what a pu**y!

      • Sherbet

        Aside from all the lies, BS, and innuendo, I’d say Marty is pretty accurate in his accusations.

        • Chee Chalker

          Scientology is a hell of a drug

      • Spackle Motion

        Please don’t feed the Rathtroll.

        • Chee Chalker

          She has a special place in my……heart…..yeah, I’ll go with heart

      • Baby

        Chee.. OMG MCEnroe’s quote sent me over the edge.. hahhahahah..

        This was a great post.. Have fun at your reunion.. I’m sure Rathbun will take you up on your offer.. xo baby

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “….It goes to show how badly informed the OSA personnel are.” – from the above

    This is really shoddy sloppy DSA/OSA dead agenting that would offend an intelligent official Scientologist.

    Official Scientology is really slipping if OSA Int lets their Ideal Org DSAs do such horrible dead agenting.

    Mike Rinder’s blog and this blog are the only critical report lines Miscavige gets which are honest.

    Miscavige for sure watches Rinder’s and this blog, and Miscavige for sure reads Marty’s blog too I’m sure, to keep up on leaks that Miscavige’s own report lines fail to stay up on.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    A little $cientology prayer before I head for bed:

    Now I lay me down, a sheep
    They prey, the tards, my gold to keep
    If I should die before I wake
    They’ll prey, the tards, my will to take.

    And I thought I should leave this here:
    Things are booming in Texas, booming, I tell ya.
    Straitjacket and ventricle.

    • Kestrel

      Strange that it’s not reflecting July and August numbers yet. I’ll be the traffic will be higher while people like me stop over there to watch the train wreck.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      “Straitjacket and ventricle”, gotta love it. Big giant belly laugh made my horrible day less shitty!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Sorry about your day, bud.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    All I am burning is marshmallows (pic)

    • Sherbet

      Now I want a s’more.

      • I think you’ve had a s’enough.

        • Sherbet

          πŸ˜€

        • stanrogers

          If you can still pronounce it, they have to serve you. Which explains why people start an evening of debauchery with pretentious little hipster pousse-cafes and end up in the gutter hugging a Bud.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Sorry late to the marty party but seriously he is or has proof that we’ve hired PI’s to follow his family? WTF?

    • Sherbet

      It’s depressing to think Marty and the Martybots actually might believe that.

      • Observer

        This is the mental pic I have of the collective commenting “community” over there.

        F5

        • Frodis73

          Get off my lawn you kids!

          • stanrogers

            And out of that Jell-O tree!

        • Sherbet

          “And another thing about that Ortega cult…they were on the grassy knoll in Dallas. I have proof, but I can’t reveal it yet.”

          • I was only three . . . but a crack shot! I hit Conolly before being snagged into an unmarked Corvair station wagon and whisked off to a pre-school where Tony was waiting for his minions to gather. JFK was just our practice run for the mayhem we’d unleash in fifty-three years. He’s a crafty one, our Proprietor. A crafty one.

          • Scream Nevermore

            ‘But I’ll have proof soon. Soon! And when I release it, they’ll rue the day!’ But seriously – if they can’t tell the difference between idle speculation and J&D’ing, that’s their problem, not ours. And if I had money to spare, I wouldn’t waste it on setting PIs on Marty. There are charities I would much rather give the money too; I suspect I am not alone in that.

        • Missionary Kid

          I don’t believe it. That person’s too well dressed, and not pushing a shopping cart with their goods.

          • LongtimeLurker

            What you can’t see is that he’s not wearing pants.

            • Juicer77

              It’s J3!!

      • dungeon master

        Want me to sing to you? The sun will come out tomorrow, la la la la la la, something tomorrow, something something, (big finish) Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I’ll love ya, tomorrow! No Sherbet, please! I’ll stop! I’m sorry!! (Feel better?)

        • Sherbet

          Much. Show tunes do that for me.

          • Robert Hanna Moore

            For some reason, Dungeon’s post, and more largely, recent events, evoked Tomorrow Belongs to Me from Cabaret. I hope it’s ok I posted this instead. Chin up Sherbet!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRQV5z9GL8.

        • Robert Eckert

          The sun will come out tomorrow, *bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, they’ll be sun; just thinking about tomorrow, clears away the cobwebs and the sorrow, till there’s none*
          Carry on

          • dungeon master

            Thank you, Robert! If I ever sing that song again I know just where I can find the lyrics.

          • Snippy_X
            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Eugene! I love that gypsy punk motherfucker.

            • Snippy_X

              Oh man! thought I was the only one! Thx!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              At my funeral, I want my friends to shout drunken renditions of Start Wearing Purple.

            • Snippy_X

              LOL You got a bad case then. I could go for Supertheory of Supereverything lyrics engraved on my tombstone.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              That would be the best tombstone ever! I would leave you flowers on it, sister neutron.

            • Snippy_X

              <3

    • LongtimeLurker

      Even if a couple of loons did that (which of course no one did) using it taint the rest of us and Tony is ludicrous.

      • stanrogers

        That may have been me. Sorry about that, folks. What with the Parkinson’s and all, I’m forever clicking on “Buy Now” instead of “Product Details”, occasionally with embarrassing results.

        • LongtimeLurker

          “Type the name of the person or persons you wish to have followed and harassed in the space provided. If this illegal stalking is a gift, please tick the box to the left.”

      • Ben Franklin

        If one person posts something here in the comments, In Marty’s mind that person is speaking on behalf of Tony and all the commenters.

        • LongtimeLurker

          His view of how people work IRL is seriously, seriously flawed.

          Event for someone with his past.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Sadly a mentally ill individual.

      • dungeon master

        Actually, now that StanRogers has mentioned the possibility of an inadvertant key stroke (and hey, this tablet sends a bunch of my stuff to internet purgatory, sends before i tell it to, and auto correct is constantly fucking with me) my 4 year old grandson managed to order a bunch of stuff from the MS store. Stan, I think maybe HE may have hacked my account, little fingers flying over keyboard.. who knows what the little monster said? (I mean little monster in the best possible way. We’re best buds)

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He has officially out to fuckin’ lunch.(All you can eat). We’ve donated money to help people but truly why would we give a fuck about following marty?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yes exactly, why?

          “…out to lunch (all you can eat) …” Love it.

    • Justmeteehee

      Jeebuz H! Another damn rabbit hole I must explore.

  • I think i better go undercover… Is “going clear” supposed to be on the Internet?

    • iampissed

      Well I would ask torrent

      • I did and now there is a copy in New Zealand. The Internet is strange that way πŸ™‚

    • Liberated

      It is if you get HBO go.
      Hey, do you have HBO in Denmark?

    • dungeon master

      I saw it on the dangerous docs website after someone posted a link here. i probably have it around here. whether or not there are copywrite issues, I don’t know. If dangerous docs has taken it down, they likely got one of those letters.

      • Well the one i found was around 8GB that’s why i was thinking, it has to be kinda unusual

        • dungeon master

          Ok, tech challenged here, but I think my phone holds 8GB. It does seem excessive for a 90 minute docu. Remember when megabytes were great? My first computer was a Commodore that probably didn’t have 2MB of memory lol!

          • He he commodore had 64K
            8GB is a lot, somewhat close the original cut.

            • dungeon master

              I can’t believe I gave $100 for it! I think I should talk to my brother about a rebate. I buy a new tablet and/or phone once a year at Thanksgiving now for less that $100.

            • it’s still not $100 worth on ebay. it was expensive in 1982 and a tablet they will just throw at you if you don’t buy it

            • dungeon master

              First computer games. That little line that scrolled vertically and the ball bouncing from side to side. I liked space invaders. i think we have had all the gaming systems at one point or another, or knew someone that did. Too funny.

            • Scream Nevermore

              That’s ‘Pong’ – spent hours playing it!

    • Qbird

      It’s been right here for a very long time, Dice:

      http://documentaryheaven.com/going-clear-scientology-prison-of-belief/

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    The two emotional moments for me in Going Clear were 1) pics of a smiling Nicole Kidman with her young children, knowing that the CO$ would soon destroy this mother/child bond and 2) Marty Rathbun regretfully saying (paraphrasing) that he died a little everyday due to what he had done in the cult. He seemed on the verge of tears to me. So now I’m wondering, WTF has happened to this guy?

    His enemies are now Tony Ortega, Ron Miscavige Sr. & all Bunker readers instead of David Miscavige & the CO$? It’s hard to believe that such an about face is possible. Wasn’t there mental illness in his family history (a suicide)? Mental instability seems to be part and parcel of the CO$ meat grinder. There are real life Freddie Quells. His erratic behavior makes some with friends & family in the CO$, wonder what kind of condition they will be in, if they ever leave. UGH!

    Unless the CO$ is using info against Marty regarding secrets that have no statute of limitations, I think the guy could be mentally deteriorating. I hope he still doesn’t subscribe to the “psychiatry is evil” bunk as it could do him some good, regardless of what is really going on here. Sad.

    • dungeon master

      Ok. My latest theory is that OSA surruptiously manufactured a plot to convince Marty we are his enemies. They had to be subtle.. careful. Dead agent us to Marty, and vice versa. So, two formerly cordial men, and all us poor BunkerHeads are bobbling around like it’s a tennis match. We’ll likely get whiplash. What, Sherb? Well, ya I read a lot of mysteries, so? Oh! You think maybe I’m predisposed to see things that are just not there? Ouch! That’s a little harsh, don’t ya think? edit spelling.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Marty may see an enemy whenever he looks in the mirror. Like I said, I hope he seeks out legitimate mental health services. It couldn’t hurt.

        • dungeon master

          I don’t disagree. I have a lot of respect for mental health professionals, it never hurts to have a sympathetic and neutral ear. Having said that, what’s the expression? Something like just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn ‘t out to get you? I have read so many stories of them framing or trying to frame people, barging into someone’s home and flashing his brother’s wife and scaring her so badly she was hiding in a closet holding a gun when they got home. And the attacks on anons and protesters. Causing legal problems that last for years. I probably should not read this stuff in the middle of the night, when I can’t sleep. I saw a beater car parked on my street one time and my first thought was osa found me. I’m not scared of the boogey man or things that go bump in the night, but religious fanatics with a machiavellian justification of anything they can do to protect their church, they scare me.

          • dungeon master

            And really, I’m nobody to them. Just a J&Der on the fringes of the internet reading and hanging out with friends.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              IMO Marty should get off the fringes of the internet altogether. The cray cray stuff he posts now is going to be around forever and one day his kid is probably going to see it. Not good.

            • dungeon master

              LOL! I should probably be scared of what MY kids will find! Hopefully my poor mother wont..

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Can you imagine if the silly things your parents did, that you found embarrassing around your friends had been blasted all over the internet? Oy Vey! Thank heavens, I grew up pre-internet!

            • dungeon master

              I know. I want to explore and go places as myself. Be who I am, full speed ahead and damn the torpedos! My kids and gkids are so amazing with the technology. I can’t wait to see how much the know that I don’t. On the other hand, they don’t teach school the way I learned in the olden days. Civics? What’s that? Probably more important than home ec IMO. But I learned that if I knew why I did things, the principles that were required to solve the problem, I could always figure out how to do it. I look at number trees and such and go WTF? No! I can’t help you with your homework! What happened to times tables?

      • Missionary Kid

        That seems reasonable, but it’s speculation.

        • dungeon master

          Yeah, I’ve been reading a lot of historical pages on lerma.net. Was re-reading Dan Garvin’s account of the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre at INComm (Karen DLC also has at least one other account of this as seen by a spectator, but Dan’s explains a lot more because it happened to him). Anyway, it all ties in to a night operator at Int. Base who was posting on ARS disputing the accounting of Miss Bloody Butt with a confidential document he borrowed without permission from Linda – oh, crap. Her last name just flew away. It’ll come back. And the whole business puts in mind that there are more things in osa and scientology than are dreamt of in our philosophy, Horatio MK. It fascinates and repells me. Edit punctiation. Trying to get the damn strike out to work properly. I don’t use it enough to remember. Edit to add: I give up. Edit to add: Linda Hamel

          • Robert Eckert

            Chuck Beatty has also talked about that witch hunt.

            • dungeon master

              Any idea where you read it, Robert? I can check Hearsay. I’d like to read it.

            • Robert Eckert

              I’m sure I read it on a Bunker thread somewhere.

      • Ann B Watson

        Speculation,until the party in question says otherwise…As for whiplash,I have a ton of it horizontal X one billion.Thank you for a most needed comment.❀️

        • dungeon master

          Hi Ann! Nice to see you!

          • Ann B Watson

            Very good to see you too! You make me smile.❀️

    • Well, I would look around the Bunker and at most of the exes who are making a difference and making good lives for themselves. I think what you are seeing is the baggage Marty brought into the cult with him, exacerbated by decades of induction, abuse dished out and abuse received. We can’t diagnose from afar, not even a mental health professional can, but we can certainly wonder what happened as we watch the sad story unfold.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Sad story indeed. I do or should say I did know a guy who was in for over 30 years. It was and still is very difficult for him to have made the decision to leave. In retrospect when you are told what to do all the time it became difficult for him to thrive and make his own decisions. I knew he was onto their scam but kept going back. I could go on forever but my point is we hear many of the success stories but rarely the ones that are still very much trapped with one part of their mind still in and their body out on a world that is missing big chunks of it. They loved learning about those missing years of history of a culture that stopped for them back the day they joined the Sea Arghh. There is no real place to assist them in transitioning back into society. Without a cash stash mental health services are sadly hard to find. The one thing that really stuck was they were not accustom to having true friend’s he could trust. Anyway…It showed me how truly damaging it can be to a person. I don’t want to violate their privacy so i’ll stop now.

        • That might be the greatest thing we could accomplish here. Figure out a way to start some kind of landing zone for ex Sea Org. It would have a finite mission. After all, there are only maybe 10,000 people so affected. All we need is funding. Where is John P. when you need him?

    • felix

      Maybe so. But every reflection that gets expressed triggers a diatribe over there, which then multiplies into hundreds of others from a total of about 5 people, that is to say 1 person and about 4 others.

      For a period of time readers were successfully avoiding the topic. Then he more than successfully baited people. My feeling is, stay away from sick people who are also powerful.

    • Ann B Watson

      Interesting and sad,but stranger things have happened.I like your comments.❀️

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Thanks, I don’t post on Mike Rinder’s blog but I do read it and I’ve enjoyed your comments immensely πŸ™‚

        • Ann B Watson

          You are very kind.This Bunker gets better and better every second.πŸ’–

  • Jimmy3

    Wish I had an owner. My belly need scratchies and bissits.

    • dungeon master

      Come over here, Jimmy. I’ll pat your head and call you a good boy.

      • You stay away from him gramps! He’s my good boy! I got him a special collar and everything!

        • dungeon master

          Excuse me! Point of order! I’m a woman. And you can have him. Dogs and kids. The little rotters. They all look at me and think ‘there’s someone I can wrap around my paw’. And then they do. And then I run around all day. Let the dogs out. Let the dogs in. Feed the dogs. Feed the kids. Make more food for the kids cuz the dog ate it. Clean up dog poo. Wash dishes, clean clothes. Grandma ‘pretend you saw a baby hot lava dragon and you said ‘Hunh!!’ And then the rainbow dragon has to hatch out of her egg and want me to feed me my lines. Then I find out I have also have a poison dragon named Toxic feeding me lines. I think I work harder as a grandma, with all the dogs and kids, than I did when my kids were growing up. So you can have Jimmy. He’s free to a good home. Still stuck with Bailey and Charlie.. And the gkids.. Oh, I had him vaccinated and wormed. Bye, Jimmy. Be a good boy for the nice man.

          • dungeon master

            Whadya mean it’s not my bed? Charlie F5
            Edit to add: he totally unmade the bed, and that is what is left of his last slimy dog toy on my sheets

            • Juicer77

              His most precious treasure. XD

            • dungeon master

              He plays with the pieces unntil he gets a new toy. If I throw a small piece out, he’ll rescue it lol. He loves his toys.

            • Juicer77

              Does he bring it to you to show but not share? My shepherd does that. So funny!

            • dungeon master

              He comes to me and lays the slimy bit on my leg, then he stands there alternately looking at me and looking at the toy remnant. He brings it straight back when he retrieves it. Our other dog, Bailey, up the toy and runs away to destroy it. My fault. I used to chase her around the house yelling ‘Give Me the Baby’ (a line from a movie called ‘Willow’ is ‘I got the Baby!’ and it’s a running joke in my family) and so she never brings back the toy. Just sits on my bed taunting me. Charlie always brings it back, and lays the slimy thing on my leg. Sigh. At least I don’t have to chase him.

            • Juicer77

              PS I love Willow. Fun family movie!

            • Baby

              Wow.. Beautiful Dungeon..

            • Scream Nevermore

              Awwww, he’s gorgeous!

            • dungeon master

              Big as a pony. But, yeah, he is pretty. I guess he got tired of racing up and down the hall. Now he’s laying on his back, with his hind legs splayed sideways in that weird way dogs can do, holding what’s left of his toy in his front paws and tossing it and catching it. Too funny.

            • Frodis73

              Your pup is beautiful!!

            • dungeon master

              Thank you. He’s a sweet boy, but incorrigable. He’s so big, he can clean off the counters and snag things out of the trash with a turn of his head. Both dogs race up and down the hall playing bitey face – took me out at the knees a couple of times. Charlie will leap from the middle of the living room to the couch, leap off, run down the hall, leap onto my bed, spin around a few times to pop the sheets off and tangle up the quilt, then race back down the hall knocking down gkids like they were bowling pins .Then he’ll bring me his slimy tough chew, which he’s shredded down to the binding (but, hey, he plays with the bits and pieces until he gets a new toy), and lay it ON MY SKIN. Yuch. We spend half an hour every day tossing that toy and pushing it off our skin. He’s so used to getting in trouble, he’ll kennel himself lol.

          • A thousand pardons mistress. So hard to see clearly in the Bunker’s lower levels, mistress. (backs away in supplicant pose).

            • dungeon master

              oOOO. I am liking this too much (lol). Does that make wicked (or just drawn that way)? Get out the BSM!

            • Whips! Chains! Brocade!

            • dungeon master

              I’m gonna show my ignorance here, but.. brocade?? Satin, velvet maybe? Perhaps you have me confused with a Victorian dungeon master?

            • Okay, how about Chintz? Shantung? Blue Velvet?

            • dungeon master

              Leather. silk and tulle. I’m not making draperies.

            • Toile!

            • A lovely scene of Sea Org workers working in a repeating pattern.

            • dungeon master

              Like carvings on the pyramids? Kind of pharaoic? That’s probably kinkier than I could manage. Haha!

            • Ann B Watson

              I found this thread and had to say please hold the blue velvet.Big Blue did me in ! ❀️

    • Juicer77

      f5 Just for you, hon. And I floofed up your folded up blankie, just like you likes it.

      • Jimmy3

        <3

    • OOkpik

      There, there.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Remember back in the day marty would get us all worked up about trying to have us help him figure out who was following him. I recall the mysterious pickup truck…

    • Jimmy3

      But he had already identified the same man a year prior. He was playing games.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I was gonna say the pics matched one posted prior.

        • Jimmy3

          IIRC, he identified the man based on a photo of his truck. A year or so later, he cropped down the much more identifiable photo to make it more confusing. It didn’t make sense then and it makes less sense now.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Is that fucking true?

            That guy.

    • Was it a red Taco TRD? That was me.

  • I haven’t really been too keen on following the Martypocalypse of late, but I just read what Richard Grant reposted from MOUALH and I’m still just as baffled by Marty as ever. Where is this hate he keeps going on about? All Tony did was report the news about Monique. Yes, there was a Bunkernado of wild speculation, but Tony mostly just tamped that down if he commented at all. Unless Marty wants to show us some sooper Seekrit threat/hate emails from Tony, he needs to lie down for a while with a cold compress.

    • dungeon master

      Paging MK! We need a new sort of Bunker Urban Dictionary and we should put Bunkernado of wild speculation, and the Bunker Shaming Machine in there.

      • That’s a BWS if you’re using Bunkronyms.

        • dungeon master

          Oh! And BSM is Bunker Shaming Machine (instead of Bondage and Sado Masochism lol – this could get confusing real fast! Not that I routinely use those words..)

        • Missionary Kid

          BWS?

          • dungeon master

            Bunkernado of wild speculation

            • Missionary Kid

              I added it. Refresh.

        • Missionary Kid

          I added Bunkronyms to the name of the list.

      • Missionary Kid

        Explanations of Catchphrases, memes, and shorthand terms (Bunkronyms) used in the Bunker. PLEASE REPLY TO THIS LIST TO ADD OTHER ONES OR CORRECT OR ADD TO THIS ONE.
        10X – A number that Grant Cardone likes to use to show how effective his methods are/the speed at which Grant Cardone can empty your wallet.
        2 pm on Thursday – the time that statistics have to be turned in by $cientologists.
        26 refers to an incident where the Bunker was catfished. We learned and moved on.
        4′ 13” / 4 foot 13 inch – David Miscavige’s true height, from his former tailor.
        47 white binders – supposedly the number of binders handed to Lawrance Wright by Scientology to refute his article on Scientology, the basis for his book Going Clear.
        47 X – a bullshit statistic that is often used by $cientology to illustrate great expansion.
        A huge grain of salt – How anything that comes from Scientology should be taken.
        A trailer in Creston – [California], where LRH died while hiding out.
        Adele Dazeem – The name that John Travolta came up with at the Oscars while butchering the name Idina Menzel. Source of much ridicule, especially since, as a high level Scientologist, he should have perfect recall..
        And so forth.- A phrase that David Miscavige often uses in his long-winded speeches, see also Sherman, Dan
        Annie, her spirit broken – Refers to Annie Broker who escaped Gold base. Rathbun flew after her and brought her back, she caved in when she saw him at the airport. IIRC
        Apostate – a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle. Synonyms: dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat
        Apple box – Term used in film industry for something a short actor stands on to make them taller. Something Miscavige needs.
        Asbestos on the Freewinds – There was a lot of asbestos on the $cientology boat, Freewinds. It was never handled properly. Also known as the S.S. Mesothelioma
        ASC – Marty Mark is convinced that the Bunker is an Anti-Scientology Cult. A better term would the Anti-$cientology Community.
        Avagram. Historic. Documents once used to harass critics. Sent by Ava Paquette, Scientology lawyer.
        Baby raper – what Jenna Elfman called someone critical of $cientology.
        Bigot – Term applied to anyone who disagrees with $cientology
        bigot,a name for anyone who disagrees with Kirstie, or defrocked apostate for any critical ex.
        Billions of people being helped. Billions of people. – A claim often made by Scientology.
        Bitter – A phrase Scientology often uses, especially in combination with apostate, to describe former members.
        Blinky cute nickname for Yingling, $cientology attorney who acted as a spokesperson.
        Blowing a horse – What Jenna Elfman said she’d rather do. See I’d blow a horse.
        Blue Shoes – Tommy Davis’ poor sartorial choice.
        Body Router – A Scientologist who gets someone off the street to go to a $cientology org or mission so they can be recruited.
        Bowling trophy – What the awards given out to whales for large monetary donations look like. See also Oversized Hood Ornaments
        BSM – Bunker Shaming Mechanism In $cientology, it means Basic Study Manual.
        Bunker Shaming Machine – What the Bunker supposedly does if they disagree with someone.
        Bunkernado – What happens when the bunker gets upset or β€œenturbulated”, to use a $cientology term. See BWS,
        Burlwood pens – special pens, covered with burlwood that Miscavige had made up.
        BWS – Bunkernado of Wild Speculation
        CAEK – Internet slang for celebration: cake.
        Call me Philboard – Phil Jones, who, with his wife Willie, came up with the β€œcall me” Billboard.
        Camelot Castle – A faux castle that is a hotel in Tintagel, England, owned by Scientologists that has a poor reputation as a hotel. Check Trip adviser. See also Wanna see my lightbox?
        Captain Blackheart – nickname for Davy Miscavige, actually suggested by a $cientology attorney in an attempt to show bias of the Bunker In Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit.
        Captain Howdy says β€œHello” – In honor of the late, beloved Captain Howdy, who was great at dealing with trolls, said sarcastically to signal someone is a troll.
        Cardouche – Nickname for Grant Cardone
        Certified bullshit – phrase used by $cientology (probably DM) in a critique of a report critical of $cientology.
        CICS – One of Miscavige’s favorite insults. Counter Intentioned Cock Sucker.
        Clearwater, (or insert any city Tony visited on tour), I am in you.
        Completely voluntary religious retreat – Scientology’s description of The Hole.
        Cookie stuff – Tom Cruise yelled at his staff for providing ready-made cookie dough, instead of made from scratch.
        Dan Sherman, The Silver Mullet – the guy who writes Miscavige’s overblown speeches.
        Darmok: A classic episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where the captain and an alien have to figure out how to communicate
        Das Rinderblog. Mike Rinder’s blog.
        DC-8s – What the space ships looked like that the evil overlord, Xenu, supposedly used to transport people to Teegeeack (their name for earth).
        Debbie Cook in the trashcan – Executive Debbie Cook was forced to stand in a trash can while cold water was poured over her.
        Defrocked apostate – what $cientology calls any ex critical of the Co$
        DIANEXIT – $cientologists now leaving. The opposite of what LRH postulated: clearing the planet (of non-$cientologists).
        Disconnection just doesn’t exist – Tommy Davis, who was later caught illustrating that it does.
        Do I look brainwashed to you? – Phrase uttered by Anne Archer, Tommy Davis’ mother in an interview with British journalist John Sweeney
        Don’t be a little bitch. – Phrase used by Scientologist Grant Cardone, a generally unsympathetic person.
        Don’t make me go all tone 40 on your ass. – Tone 40 was the highest state of a Scientologist.
        DwarfenfΓΌhrer – David Miscavige.
        Eleventy million – Sarcastic reference to Scientology’s penchant for exaggeration. They always inflate numbers, so why not just use eleventy?
        EZ Bake Oven-what the latest e-meter model looks like.
        Feschback painting: The painting of the very Pregnant Feschbeck couple that our eyes cannot unsee
        Filed-down incisors – What Scientology wanted a woman to do who they auditioned to be Tom Cruise’s next wife.
        Footbullets – Another way of stating what is used when you shoot yourself in the foot.
        Front porch of infinity – One of the overblown phrases used by COB in one of his boring speeches.
        Get the Ducati- Refers to the choice of Tiziano Luigli when he was trying to decide to buy a Ducati or use the money to pay for more courses.
        Glib – A term often used by Scientology to describe critics.
        Google is Hearsay – See Hearsay
        Guh-LAX-ee – How LRH mispronounced Galaxy.
        Ham hock (AKA Hamhock) – Grant Cardone, the goofy bigheaded self-improvement “guru” who donates millions to $cientology
        He does his own stunts – Phrase often used by Tom Cruise’s publicity machine to show what a stud Cruise is.
        He jumped the couch long ago.. – A variation on the expression, β€œjumped the shark” It refers to TC jumping on the couch on Oprah, and it means he has lost it..
        He’s the only one that can help! – Sarcastically said about Scientologists, based upon the Tom Cruise video Scientology tried to suppress on the internet.
        Headley – Claire & Marc, sea org members who separately escaped from Gold base in thrilling stories who now are living in a happy family life, away from $cientology.
        Hearsay/hearsayed – A $cientology lawyer called Google hearsay, so Bunker members have made it a substitute for the word Google/Googled.
        Hey girl – A greeting to someone.
        Hi, Bunkerites. This is my first post, but I’ve been a lurker for some time.. – self explanitory.
        Hitler videos (Pan’s) – Videos from a movie about Hitler that have dubbed in words by Bunker regular Panopea Abrupta
        How many churches do you know that have a spy wing? – Legitimate question to point out the nefarious wing of Scientology
        Howdy says hello. – In honor of the late, beloved Captain Howdy, who was great at dealing with trolls, said sarcastically.
        Hubbard’s teeth – Describes the poor state of Hubbard’s mouth.
        I am in your face. – Eileen Cardone, a generally unsympathetic person, $cientologist.
        I never had a second wife. – LRH denying his bigamous second marriage.
        I’d blow a horse to watch Netflix all day. – what Jenna Elfman said in one of Jenna and Bodhi’s stupid YouTube videos,
        I’m angry. I’m real angry – Tommy Davis to John Sweeney BBC Panorama documentary
        I’m angry. I’m real angry. – What Tommy Davis said in the documentary by ? To confront him.
        I’m not a $cientologist, but… – A phrase often used by $cientologists posing as ordinary people to post a positive statement about $cientology.
        Idle Morgue – The orgs have supposedly gottne bigger and have had big ceremonies to pronounce them Ideal. In reality, they’re dead as a morgue.
        If he dies, he dies – What Davy Miscavige said when told that his father was apparently having a heart attack.
        Inch Wives – the name applied to the former wives of $cientology executives that claimed that their husbands had no bruises from being in The Hole because β€œI know every inch of my husband’s body.”
        J & D – Joking and Degrading. Hubbard hated it, especially if it was directed towards him or $cientology.
        JAW – John Alex Wood, British nutter, who claims to be the biggest fan of Monty Python, but has been renounced by Eric Idle.
        Jenny at LAX – the crazy $cientology executive lady that confronted Marty at LAX, caught on video. She’s also known as one of the Inch Wives.
        JennyAtLAX – The nom de plume of Fred Haseny, our intrepid photographer who chronicles the silly crap that Co$ does.
        John Allender, with a camera on his head – One of the notorious Squirrel Busters that harassed Mark β€œMarty” Rathbun and his wife.
        John Lobbs – The very expensive, custom-made shoes that Miscavige wears.
        John Mappin – British nutter and owner of the Camelot Hotel, whose accomodations are not well reviewed. Granted an honorary knighthood to Donald Trump.
        Jorm Revoltya – Another name for John Travolta, making fun of his screw up of a name at the Oscars. See Adele Dazeem
        Joy Villa’s wardrobe (construction fence tech) – Joy wore a dress made of orange construction fencing to an event.
        KDLC – Karen De La Carriere
        Kitteh corner – A comment on all the cat memes, videos, and pictures posted on the Bunker.
        Kitteh Korner – an emotional refuge for Bunkerites/oos who need to step away from overcharged drama or just bad news.
        Land o’ Xenu – Clearwater Florida, a town haunted by $cientology.
        Laura, missing her mother – Laura DeCrescenzo at 12 years old wrote in her Sea Org reports that she missed her mother, which the Co$ considers a crime.
        Leah Remini is “stalking” Shelley – Claim by Scientology after Leah filed a missing person’s report on Shelly Miscavige.
        Let him die. – What David Miscavigek said when told that his father was apparently having a heart attack.
        Lisa, bitten by roaches – Lisa McPherson, a victim of $cientology whose body had roach bites on it.
        Macallan – See The Macallan
        Mark Ebner dumpster diving. – Mark Ebner found some trophies awarded by Scientology for big donations that were thrown out in a dumpster.
        Marty Mark – β€œMarty” (born Mark) Rathbun
        Meepthorp – THE DARK LORD OF THE CHURCH OF NEUROTOLOGY http://www.meepthorp.com/
        Miss Lovely – The code name given to Paulette Cooper by $cientology spies & used by Tony Ortega in his book about her, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely
        Missing cookie stuff – see Cookie dough.
        MK’s apology: Fuck You.
        Monique Yngling – Attorney for $cientology, and muffin lady, who defended $cientology and David Miscavige and attacked Ron Miscavige, his father in an interview.
        Much Love – Sign off at the end of Scientologist’s letters.
        Muffin Lady – Monique Yngling, $cientology attorney who brought muffins from the kitchen at gold to prove how good the food was.
        Musical chairs – See Rhapsody of the chairs. Miscavige forced a brutal game of musical chairs on his executives at Gold Base. It was a mindfuck.
        Niacin – AKA Vitamin B3, used in the purification ritual. The levels given to people can be toxic, but, since Hubbard prescribed it, it is used at dangerous levels.
        Odo, also known as Otto, one of the security guards at Big Blue who doesn’t have a life, aside from riding around on his bike and following Sps.
        Oiliness Table – comes from one of the perceptics (senses) that is supposedly enhanced at the big Flag building in Clearwater.
        Parking spaces – Scientologists often claim that their powers enable them to find parking spaces.
        Paulette Cooper – The Unbreakable Miss Lovely – subject of Tony Ortega’s book about extreme persecution by $cientology.
        People think we worship rabbits. – Erika Christensen
        Petty Little Bitch – Description of David Miscavige
        Pffft – Scoffing sound
        Pinks & Grays – The drugs that LRH took, while preaching against drugs.
        Placebo Church – $cientology
        Porch of Infinity – See Front Porch of Infinity.
        Provable bullshit – Term used in an actual press release from the $cientrology about the story that David Miscavige told the Pis following Ron Miscavige, who thought he was having a heart attack to β€œlet him die.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scientology-leader-david-miscaviges-father-to-write-tell-all-book_us_55943d9ce4b02ca2a4d6bf85
        Raw meat – what $cientologists call new people who have walked int the door.
        Rhapsody of the chairs.- Miscavige forced $cientology executives to play a brutal game of musical chairs, done to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody.
        Rice and beans – what sea org members often eat.
        Rinderchopper at Clearwater – Mike Rinder flew over the opening of the Flag building in a helicopter, making so much noise that Miscavige was forced to cut his speech short.
        RS – The Raw Story – online news source, previously edited by Tony Ortega, http://www.rawstory.com/
        Rue the Day – phrase used by Marty Rathbun as a threat to Tony for reporting on Monique Rathbun’s Texas court case against $icentology
        S.S. Mesothelioma – Another name for the Freewinds, Scientology’s ship, which has a lot of asbestos aboard.
        Scientology can help you with that – A phrase used by Scientologists after pointing out deficiencies in a person’s life.
        Scientology works and it helps people. – Lie from Scientology
        Sending your kids to South Africa — what Duggan did when he couldn’t control his adopted sons, who have obvious mental problems that $cientology can’t cure.
        Sharpie Hair – See Travolta Sharpie Hair.
        She died. People die. – Calloused response to the death of Lisa McPherson
        Shelley: Meet me at the fence at midnight and bring a spare pantsuit! – Message to Shelly Miscavige.
        Sherman-speak – see Shermanspeak
        Shermanesque – verbiage that is used to appear learned, but actually just a bunch of incoherent verbiage that proves the opposite.
        Shermanspeak – the over-the-top verbiage used by Miscavige, written by Dan Sherman.
        Show me the motherfucking clear – Jason Beghe on whether there was anyone who was clear.
        SMP/SuMP $cientology Media Project, the former KCET studios.
        Space is wild! – Hubbard’s description of all the swingin’ action in the cosmos.
        Stainless steel and titanium – what is used to protect the β€œsacred” words of LRH in the vaults that have been built.
        STOP ignoring our phone calls – What was written on the outside of an envelope from the Inglewod org.
        Straight Up and Vertical – if a graph is made of a particular $cientology statistic, it always ends up going straight up and vertical, in spite of the collapse of the organization. A phrase often used by DM.
        Stuck in an electronic incident – See You’re stuck in an electronic incident.
        Take the Ducati – see Get the Ducati
        Take the survey! – Pitch used by body routers to get people to take the personality test
        Telex references – Since Hubbard used telex machines for communication, Scientology continued to use this outmoded means of communication long after it was abandoned everywhere else.
        Texas – A place that Scientology denies that Miscavige has never done business.
        Thanks Legoland – Legoland gave money to a $cientology front group designated by Jenna Elfman for her appearance
        Thanks, Legoland. — Legoland gave money to Jenna Elfman for a $cientology front group for doing publicity.
        That makes me angry, really angry – Said by Co$ representative Tommy Davis, in the documentary done by John Sweeney
        The Hole – Notorious place where $cientology executives were placed at Gold base: a jail, where they had to run everywhere, do hard physical labor, and not talk to other people not in The Hole.
        The Macallan – The distillary that produces the expensive single malt Scotch that Miscavige drinkis. (Supposedly in copious quantities.)
        The Mirror Thetan – a thread over at the Ex-Scientologist Message Board where crazy “accomplishments” by $cientologists are posted
        The Unbreakable Miss Lovely – Title of book about Paultette Cooper, written by Tony Ortega.
        To escape, like “Jason from the Freewinds.” Or “Headly from Gold.” People who have escaped from $cientology in a dramatic fashion. Headly is Mark Headly
        Tommy’s blue suede shoes – see Blue Shoes
        Touch Assists – a means of β€œhealing” someone by touching them. Total woo woo.
        Travolta Sharpie hair – What one of JT’s short-haired wigs that looks like he used a sharpie to draw hair on his head.
        Troublemaker – The title of both a book by Leah Remini and a theme song of the Bunker.
        Unemployed blogger on the fringes of the internet – Phrase used by Scientology to describe critic Tony Ortega.
        Unprecedented expansion – What Scientology claims that it is taking place in the organization. A phrase used by Miscavige in his speeches. Shermanspeak.
        Vistaril – The drug found in LRH’s body when he died, prescribed by his $cientology doctor. This is in direct contradiction to $cientology’s policy against drugs.
        Vulture ministers – β€œVolunteer Ministers”, the Co$ opportunists who show up at disasters for photo ops. All they really do is render touch assists.
        Wanna see my lightbox? – At the faux Camelot Castle, in Tintagel, England, they try to sell John Mappin, Scientologist’s cheesy artwork, mounted in lightboxes.
        Wassamadda witchu, hat? – Hubbard’s demeaning example of how “negroes” speak and act.
        We can still find parking – Often, to give evidence of their new power over MEST as a result of their $cientology courses, $cientologists will assert that their new powers make them able to find parking places.
        We worship rabbits. I don’t actually know how many people think that, but I had someone ask me that. – What Erica Christensen said people think about $cientology.
        What are your crimes? – Anything that is said against Scientology or LRH is a crime. What is screamed at Scientologists in a sec check. What Jenna Elfman screamed at someone.
        Where did I hide the gold Shelley? – An imagined question asked by Davy Miscavige of Shelly Miscavige.
        Where’s Shelly? – Shelly Miscavige, the wife of David Miscavige, hasn’t been seen for a decade. Leah Remini filed a missing person’s report on her.
        Yelling at ashtrays – This is from the Training Routine called TR-8, which is “Tone 40 on an object.” https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TR/critique.html#tr8
        YOU DON”T HAVE THE F*&KING RANK TO ASK THAT QUESTION – What Leah Remini was told by Co$ spokesman, Tommy Davis when she asked at Tom Cruise’s wedding where David Miscavige’s wife, Shelly was.
        You Should Be Ashamed But That’s Not All! – Mentioned 3Xs int the letter from $cientology attorney Bert Diexler To KDLC, accusing her of collaborating with Philboard
        YOU WERE NOT THERE AT the beginning OF THE INTERVIEW – When John Sweeney blew up under the taunting of Tommy Davis. It’s a standard part of his presentation now when he talks about it. Funny as hell.
        You’re a bigoted, hate-mongering asshat. Never contact me again – Tommy Davis, no longer a spokesman for Co$, after being contacted by Tony Ortega
        You’re stuck in an electronic incident – what a crazy OTVII said to a critic in Britain to describe why the critic was crazy.
        YSCOHB – Another of David Miscavige’s favorite insults. You Suck Cock on Hollywood Boulevard.
        YSYSYS – You Suck You Suck You Suck. A common David Miscavige cell phone text to underlings.

        Special meme: PISSED – Post Scientological Studies Syndrome – The comfortable bubble state that some ex-$cientologists can exist in. It is characterized by critical factors being disabled, a lack of self-awareness, intolerance for conflicting opinions, reversion to a hypnotic state, dualistic thinking, being defensive, elitist, narcissistic, and thinking in and not recognizing the pervasive logical fallacies that stem from $cientology.

        • dungeon master

          You are a prince among men.

          • Missionary Kid

            Really, not a prince. Just someone who knows how to use a spreadsheet.

            • dungeon master

              And charming, handsome, articulate, good manners.. oh, I’m so sorry. Did I make you do that? I’ll get the mop.. Do you want some water or something?

            • Missionary Kid

              *Blushing* I’m fine, thank you. πŸ˜€

            • OOkpik

              It’s being taken care of.

            • Baby

              Awww Owl how adorable.. I need one of those here.. STAT

            • Scream Nevermore

              Wish I could get my cats to do that!

        • stanrogers

          Headleys, after blowing. Ortega, when the book launched.

          • Missionary Kid

            I added Headley – Claire & Marc, but Tony just has too many attributes to include, unless you can come up with something, besides, it’s his blog.

          • Missionary Kid

            I did add The Unbreakable Miss Lovely and Miss lovely and Paultette Cooper. Thanks.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Holy cow.

          When did this happens?

          You’re amaze!

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m not so amazing. I just collected things that denizens of the Bunker have said, and used the alphabetizing function of a spreadsheet to put some order on it.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          The profanity just pops out at you when you just gaze at the list.

        • aquaclara

          This is a great list, Missionary Kid. Thank you!

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks. but it’s mostly Bunkeroos who have done the heavy lifting.

        • Justmeteehee

          J&D need be added.

          • Missionary Kid

            Added. Refresh. Good suggestion.

    • JaxNGold

      “..he needs to lie down for a while with a cold compress”

      LOL!!

  • Wait. So Call Me got altar-isd?

    • dungeon master

      Subtle. Took me a second.

  • Frodis73

    Paging Miss Daisy and Fat Beagle…please pick up the white courtesy phone.

  • coonellie

    Enjoy. Mark in his high school yearbook picture.

    • Baby

      Good Looking boy.. I love this picture..

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Hey Baby, what does Marty do to make a living? Has anyone said?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He got a big fat check from bm and big pharma. He plays both off of each other. Clever fellow for a sociopath.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I only ask because there is a seller on eBay from Texas who sells old CO$ stuff named “warriormark”. Considering that Mark “Marty” Rathbun called his book “Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior” I’m just curious if this is a coincidence or what:
            http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=201645109373&_ssn=warriormark&_sop=10

            • Andrew Robertson

              It’s most likely Mark Plummer, a well known ex-scientologist, now a critic and not the Witch-Finder General!

              Andrew

            • stanrogers

              Nor the Witch-Smeller Pursuivant.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Thx

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That’s Marty. He sold a Shelly M. pap smear last year. What are his crimes?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Refurbishes and sells furniture.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Thx

          • Todd Tomorrow

            He’s been huffun’ too much varnish.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Refurbishes and SMELLS furniture.

              HAHAHAHAHAHA!

              …god…

        • Baby

          I haven’t heard Wally..

          • Todd Tomorrow

            He writes adventure novels where he is the badass hero. How was your swim Baby?

            • Baby

              Glorious Todd.. The pool is not the far from us.. and the water is salt water and so soft.. thanks honey..

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He looks so pre janitor of lunacy..

      • Justmeteehee

        So innocent and uncorrupted looking here.

        • Baby

          TTTTTTTTTTTEeeeee… Where have you been? I”ve missed you terribly! xo

          • Justmeteehee

            Hugs Baby! RL got in the way a bit, but I’m baaaaaaaack!

            • Baby

              O H Yeah Tee.. woo hoo..

  • TexasBroad

    Goodnight all. Tony told me to go to bed. πŸ™‚

    • Missionary Kid

      Sweet dreams, Texas lady.

      • TexasBroad

        ‘nite, Mish.

    • Newiga

      Nighty night, TexasB! xxoo

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Tony tells me what to do in my sleep. “When you wake up you will kick ass Todd..”

  • Lighthouse

    A great description of the movie by Ella.

    I hope the movie comes to my country. However, I’m sure I’ll see it one way or another, like I did Going Clear.

  • Lighthouse

    Also, great feedback about “Dennis” and his misinformation. I enjoyed it.

  • 0tessa

    Sorry guys & girls, but I take a little Leave of Absence.
    The Rathbun bashing going on right now is not really funny.

    • Juicer77

      I’m sorry but it’s understandable ETA needing to take a break. I’m as bad as anyone when it comes to bashing, but I’m really trying to understand what’s going on. The best thing would probably be just staying quiet until we can know more. Come back when you are able.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Crap. I feel bad.

        • Juicer77

          Don’t. When someone like Rathbun persists in stirring the pot, he should expect to get raked over the coals. And in a place like the Bunker – home of the smart and sassy – the J&D is sure to follow. I will agree that we have gone overboard with speculation about his wife and kid, though.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah. I avoided that. Also (mostly) tried to avoid specific psychiatric diagnoses.

            On the other hand I did that KR.

            But he did (indirectly) call me a cultist, a sucker and someone who would hire PIs to stalk him.

            Darnit.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I have run a few new theories based on my impressions from the film… there were a few hints that I caught that i felt might Be significant

        • Juicer77

          Interesting… will wait to read your write-up. I am interested to contrast the impressions of those who saw the film last fall, before “Martygeddon” vs. after.

          • EnthralledObserver

            My impressions now added.

    • OOkpik

      If you tap the minus sign at the far right of a comment, the whole thread disappears. Then maybe you can enjoy the good stuff.

      If that doesn’t work for you, I hope things settle down again and you feel like giving it another try.
      Until then, enjoy your break, luv.

    • Baby

      I’m getting tired of it too.. I set out to bring down the cult..

      That said.. I’ve contributed..

    • Scream Nevermore

      I know, but it is irritating when you are being accused of all sorts of nasty things, and he won’t even let you post a rebuttal on his site. All while his acolytes whip themselves up into a Bunker-burning pitchfork waving mob (admittedly a very small one!). Maybe we should pick a day as the only day we refer to them, then ignore them the rest of the time??

    • Baby

      0 .. I am not leaving.. that is exactly what OSA wants..

      I do hear what you are saying. I’m going to Ignore and not get down in the gutter with those posting on the other side.. ( not our people)

      Ignore tech employed..

      We don’t talk about 26
      We don’t talk about someone who hurt us.. one of us

      And I won’t talk about M..It is getting ridiculous.

    • Ben Franklin

      Rathbun is being bashed because he is bashing people with his posts. If Rathbun wasn’t referring to anyone as “vermin” “Ass Clown”, “Rimless Zero” “Cowards”, “Liar” “trolls” “Cult minded”, “bottom feeders” I don’t think people would be bashing him the way they are. I feel sorry for Rathbun for not realizing that the internet can eat him alive, but, he has to take responsibility for his own actions. It is not like people just woke up one day and started bashing Rathbun for no reason.

      • shasha40

        Yeah , he kinda keeps doing the foot-bullet thing like Davey and it’s getting the same reaction . I have empathy for him too, but he’s still got kool-aid on his lips … sigh

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you Ben.All I did was buy Marty’s book a few months after it came out and Zing I get fed to the web site as a fire breathing dragon when I have never set foot on that site.I do not bash people,and I will not start now.What happened ripped open a scar within me that will take sometime to heal.Responsibility for ones actions means so much more to me out than when in SO.There it was be responsible for any and all actions within SO that continually elevated Ron no matter what.And dm took it to the level of money grubbing.❀️

        • Justmeteehee

          Ann, I was so sad when I saw him bash you for zero reason. Please don’t let it eat at you, rise above!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am not LOA but do want to get back to TSD – taking scientology down. THAT is why I am here.

      • Ann B Watson

        Good to see your comment.Me too regarding taking cos down.Always happy to read your words.❀️

  • EnthralledObserver

    I have seen the film and written out by hand a review to share but only have my phone to get online… will type it up as soon as I can.

    • Juicer77

      Great!

  • LongtimeLurker

    Night gang. Gotta go to a vegan pub for a welcome home thing for a friend coming back from the UK.

    Sigh.

    • stanrogers

      The sacrifices we make for friends. No bacon-wrapped bacon in those places.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I was a vegan for years, still a Fishcatoran. But it’s the wankery that gets me.

        At least there’s alcohol.

        • Juicer77

          Have fun anyway πŸ™‚

    • Baby

      Have fun LL.. Vegan Pub.. Meh.. ha

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Laters. Good to see you back LL.

      • Baby

        There he is..xox f5

    • ExCult.Jan

      At least it’s a pub.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Happy Days… managed to borrow a computer from my brother-in-law… I’m typing furiously now. πŸ™‚

    • Baby

      Yippie f5

      • EnthralledObserver

        My film impressions are added. πŸ™‚

  • Dave Reams

    I am curious why Dave remains married to Shelley especially when his relationship with his communicator* Laurisse “Lou” Schtuppen’brock can only cause tougues to wag?

    * What does she communicate one might very well want to know? Knowledge – in the Biblical sense.

    • Juicer77

      Probably various reasons why Shelley is still Mrs. M.
      Legal: marriage confidentiality means she isn’t required to divulge what they talk about. Like the priest/penitent or attorney/client privilege.
      Personal: Mismanage can brag about his longstanding marriage as a “success story.” Since the Sea Argh norm is for husbands and wives to be posted to different locations, it’s doesn’t look weird at all that she’s elsewhere, working. Or so the story goes.
      Other reasons: ???
      People speculate about how close Mismanage and his Communitcator are, but I have no solid evidence on which to base judgement, so I’ll leave it alone.

      • Dave Reams

        “… but I have no solid evidence on which to base judgement” That never stopped me! : )

        • Juicer77

          Well, to be honest it doesn’t me, either.

    • Observer

      IIRC someone in the know said he doesn’t feel divorce is appropriate for an “ecclesiastical leader.” He has no problem with false mprsonment and adultery though.

      • Dave Reams

        ‘… doesn’t feel divorce is appropriate for an “ecclesiastical leader.” ‘ ??? That’s the clearest case of Dave perverting the tech so far! LRH was divorced twice !!!

        • ExCult.Jan

          So DM goes on record as believing LRH acted inappropriately.

        • Dave Reams

          Divorce was so much a part of Hubbard’s whole time track that he even divorced a wife he never had! Actually, before not getting married to not wife #2 (Sara), Ron had to divorce the father of his moonchilde, Jack Parsons.

      • aegerprimo

        Don’t forget assault & battery, and stalking.

  • EnthralledObserver

    My Scientology Movie – impressions.

    First up – it was great – I am so glad I made the effort to get to see it. Everyone in the theatre seemed to enjoy it – lots of laughs. Even MysteryO, who is a longtime Louis fan, but not interested in Scientology watching despite my best efforts to educate him against his will, really enjoyed Louis’ efforts.
    I’ve watched a few Louis docks before and have gotten a sense of his style and if you are a fan of his work you’ll probably also notice that the stated subject of Louis’ films is not really what they are about… Louis seems to prefer to focus on the feelings, responses, personal justifications of beliefs and actions and the opinions of the ‘people’ involved in whatever culture he is investigating and get an understanding of it through them. In this case, as Scientology, true to form, was so reluctant to give him access or let Scientologists participate, Louis really only had a handful of people to draw from to get what he wanted. Marty, therefore, seemed to become the star focus of this film. To me the clashes between Louis and Marty seemed to arise due to a difference of expectations and goals each had for this project. Marty seemed to want it to BE solely about Scientology/Miscavige, but Louis does it differently, and with the absence of Miscavige and current Scientologists, despite the use of actors, understanding through them would not be possible, so Marty seemed to be it. He is a fascinating character, after all… I cannot blame Louis for his curiosity.
    Marty, therefore seemed to resist the process whenever he recognised it – though in my opinion perhaps he should have done his research better about Louis’ work, or if he did know Louis’ style, perhaps Marty either has a need to control or maybe he just really hoped for the story ‘he’ wanted told could dominate since he was given so much influence.
    I’m also wondering if Marty doesn’t really understand or recognise Louis’ humour. Several times he seemed to take Louis seriously when it was just Louis’ dry, English wit. One example is Marty, irritated, questioned why Louis had to refer to Marty like Scientology does (’embittered, defrocked apostate’)… when clearly Louis was being sarcastic. Perhaps Marty is just devoid of humour altogether that isn’t self initiated and of the sadistic kind… he seemed to recognise that in the film alright. Who knows?
    For a moment I wondered if Marty enjoyed being seen as the victim due to what happened in the film as his sometime over-reactions, but as the film went on I was more inclined to think it was more strategy that I’ll detail in a moment.
    I also got the impression about Marty at times that he really doesn’t know who he is, or who he should be, seeming to war between who people perceived him to be when he was still in Scientology, and who he maybe feels he ought to be now he is out and has a family. I definitely feel he likes being known as that tough, unpredictable guy, even potentially brutal guy. That seems to make him feel important. It feels like Marty might not know how to wear ‘ordinary’ with pride and confidence. From watching Marty on screen it seems that being the hero that takes Scientology down might appeal to him.
    If Marty does want to be the hero who takes Scientology down, and he gave hints in the film that it might be one of his goals, then he might have to face the danger that would entail… the danger being showing the world in an unrestricted way his culpability in the crimes of Scientology while he was there, and where the metaphorical bodies are buried. I’ve always had the impression Marty has held stuff back, and Jeff Hawkins seemed to say in the film he believed that too. If Marty doesn’t want to risk himself that way (and that’s fine with me – he has a family, it’s probably the smartest way to go) then he will have to accept that he can’t be the ‘hero’. I quietly wonder if this is now what his current behaviour is all about – has he made the choice he can’t risk the consequences and has pulled back entirely, reversing his stance in the hopes he can slink off and be left alone from now on. It might be why he’s withdrawn support and denounced Louis’ film too.
    Obviously the film was made over the last few years and the Marty of then had a different outlook. he made several references of being the one to take Miscavige down. I assume he was referring to Mosey’s lawsuit. After seeing the film I got the impression that maybe the lawsuit was being used as a tool to take Scientology down. It no longer feels to me as though it was stopping Scientology’s abuses against Mosey and Marty, or personal enrichment or anything like that.. but more about possibly using it as a tool to bait Miscavige into a wrong move where Marty could bury him legally.
    I came to this conclusion because of something Louis said in the film…
    He said someone must have tipped off Scientology that Louis was holding auditions for actors to play Miscavige… BUT… not about the auditions for the actor to play Cruise. One Marty knew about… the other he didn’t. Did Marty himself tip them off somehow to ‘create’ a ‘stalking’ opportunity (safely away from his son and Mosey) that he might be able to capitalise on in court? Just putting it out there… it popped into my mind.
    This makes some sense too when I consider Marty not wanting to go anywhere near Gold Base, and doing the re-creation scenes in the studio instead of out in the desert near the Gold Base, etc. At first I thought maybe he was just ‘triggered’, but then watching further and seeing his tantrums with Louis, and his willingness to be involved with the actors filming the scenes and doing the drills that didn’t seem to fit… he just didn’t want this movie to be about ‘him’.
    About half way through I found myself rather curious… and thought, you know what would be interesting – Tony interviewing the actor that played Miscavige – Andrew Perez – and get his impressions of Marty, Miscavige and Scientology and their behaviour. He spent a lot of time with Marty and I’d be curious to know his impressions. I don’t know if ethically he could or would (maybe he has a contract not to discuss?), but I bet it would be interesting.
    Overall I think the film was great, very funny at times typical of Louis, and definitely recommend going out of your way to go see it if you get the chance.

    • Newiga

      Thank you! Excellent review!

      • shasha40

        I second that emotion !!!

    • Juicer77

      Great observations… thanks for sharing!

    • Baby

      Thanks E.O. … I can NOT wait to see it.. Glad you had the opportunity..xo

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for such a detailed review. So lucky you got to see it.

    • Fantastic good review. Thank you! Stay on track please πŸ˜€

    • HeatherGraceful

      I expect we were in the same theatre, EO. 4pm at Luna on SX?

      • EnthralledObserver

        No… I saw it at 2pm at New Farm Cinema… haha.. I did wonder who else might be among the crowd though. Theatre was pretty full.

  • aegerprimo

    I didn’t get a chance to post this yesterday, but the other Miss Lovely Burning Man pic was uploaded last year to my Flickr account.

    You can view the whole Traveling Miss Lovely album here….
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/albums

  • ExCult.Jan

    Pan, one of us had to do this. You would’ve been much more poetic. She got me wondering about a Clearwater business opportunity treating orthopedic overuse injuries…

  • outraged

    That last bit from Dennis is very creepy.

    • “t goes to show how badly informed the OSA personnel are” – Rumors around the orgs are like this, they lie and everything is a fact.