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Ken Dandar’s courtroom nightmare is finally over (unless Scientology starts it over from scratch)

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Finally, Ken Dandar’s bizarre Florida court tug-of-war, which at one point had him facing a $1 million dollar judgment awarded to the Church of Scientology, has finally come to an end.

The Supreme Court of Florida declined yesterday to grant Scientology a petition to review the decision of an appellate court that reversed the million-dollar judgment, and so the case, which at one time had Dandar stuck between warring state and federal courts, is at an end.

“This frivolous matter is finally over. It has been 12 years, and before two judges, who never had jurisdiction,” Dandar told us after sharing with us the news of the court’s final order.

But even now he is cautious, and said he didn’t want to say more.

And can you blame him? The case had Dandar caught in a bizarre Catch-22 which Scientology then used to convince a retired judge that it should be awarded the million-dollar judgment, a judgment Dandar admitted at the time was likely to ruin him and his practice.

But he fought back with several different strategies, including the appeal which prevailed in March (and frankly, seemed like a longshot and stunned the hell out of us when it succeeded).

One more time, we’ll sum up how we got here:

It all goes back to 2004, when Dandar was involved in the settlement that ended a wrongful death lawsuit against the church brought by the family of Lisa McPherson, who Dandar was representing. Scientology claims that as part of that deal to end the lawsuit, Dandar promised never to bring another lawsuit against the church. But five years later, he did just that, helping Victoria Britton try to get her day in court over the disturbing death of her son, Kyle Brennan.

Dandar ended up in an utterly strange tug of war, with the original McPherson court telling him to drop his representation of Britton or be fined, and the federal court handling the Britton lawsuit telling Dandar he couldn’t abandon his client. And even though Dandar did eventually hand over Victoria’s lawsuit to someone else, the McPherson court fined him a million dollars for supposedly going against his 2004 agreement, payable to Scientology.

Got all that? It’s crazy, we know. Well, Dandar fought that judgment in numerous ways, all of which frankly seemed like longshots. But in March a Florida state appellate court decided that Scientology had gone about things wrong procedurally. Because the 2004 McPherson suit had been settled and dismissed, its court wasn’t in a position to award new damages, even if Dandar was in violation of the 2004 agreement. If Scientology believed that Dandar was in violation, the church should have initiated a new lawsuit, rather than try to revive a dismissed one. And so the appellate court wiped out the million-dollar judgment, much to Dandar’s relief.

Scientology then petitioned the state supreme court because Scientology always appeals everything. But yesterday, the state’s highest court put out a brief order saying that “the petition for review is denied,” and indicated that any request for a rehearing would be denied.

This bizarre and lengthy case is finally dead.

But, as the appellate court indicated when it wiped out the million-dollar judgment, Scientology’s mistake was only procedural. The court suggested that if Scientology wanted to pursue the matter further, it should file a new lawsuit accusing Dandar of being in violation of his 2004 agreement never to sue the church again.

There are good legal reasons why the church shouldn’t do that, our experts tell us. A new lawsuit would be on a completely different footing, and Dandar would be in a stronger position to defend himself. But futility has never been something that’s especially discouraged Scientology in the past.

We emailed Scientology’s attorney, Wally Pope, to ask if the church does plan to file such a lawsuit. We’ll let you know if he gets back to us.

For now, though, Ken Dandar can breathe a sigh of relief.

Here’s the brief document that ended this crazy case…

Scientology v. Dandar: State Supreme Court Denies Review

 
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Louis Theroux talks Scientology on the Joe Rogan Experience

We really enjoyed this show, and not only because Louis was good enough to mention this website a couple of times. In advance of the theatrical debut for My Scientology Movie — which opens in September in Australia, October in the UK, and January in the US — Louis talks Scientology with Rogan, who has long had an interest in the subject.

It’s a conversation that ranges all over the place, but we enjoyed in particular Theroux’s description of the independent Scientology movement…

“It’s called the indie movement, independent Scientology…The problem with the independent movement is that, it turns out that if you remove the rather predatory money-raising side, and the sort of fundamentalist controlling side, you get something a bit wishy-washy that’s more or less indistinguishable from many other self-help creeds. It sort of loses its potency. It’s almost that the authoritarian dimension of Scientology and the way in which it demands total obedience from its followers is intrinsic to its ability to have an effect.”

 

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on August 24, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    F you DM
    Congratulations, Ken.

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Can I upvote you twice, Panopea Abrupta?

      • Roger Y

        I vote the extra time for you, Fred!

    • Edward Whalley

      Shouldn’t that be

      FU DM?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *sniff*

      Your short form poetry is beautiful. I am truly moved. I give it five middle fingers (for DM of course) 😀

    • ReallyMGM

      I love my early morning Pan Poetry. 😊

    • jazzlover

      Can we get a special “hai FU” for DM?

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Congrats Ken. It’s been a long, strange journey and I am very glad to hear that it’s over. In the end, you know you did the right thing. You just tried to help grieving families, you should never have been punished for that.

    • chukicita

      He is a good man who was prevented from doing even more good things by all the time he had to take dealing with Scientology’s paranoia.

  • Ella Raitch

    Oh, that Louis – master of an understatement. Looking forward to seeing the film on opening day and Louis himself a couple of weeks after.

    • PickAnotherID

      “It’s almost that the authoritarian dimension of Scientology and the way in which it demands total obedience from its followers is intrinsic to its ability to have an effect.”

      There’s no “almost” about it.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        exactly! NOTHING is “ALMOST” in this insidious thing…..

    • Kim O’Brien

      um ..can you give him a snuggle for me ? ( without getting arrested ? ) …:)

      • Ella Raitch

        I doubt I’ll get close enough!

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    We emailed Scientology’s attorney, Wally Pope, to ask if the church does plan to file such a lawsuit. We’ll let you know if he gets back to us.

    Whenever Tony writes We’ll let you know if he/she gets back to us I always get the feeling, like some engram from a past life is stimulating my reactive mind, that there is little chance of this ever happening. I imagine that Karin Pouw (and others) just place Tony’s email questions straight into an electronic shredder.

    • Peter

      The ultimate compliment! 🙂

    • PickAnotherID

      I always feel like the, “But don’t hold your breath.”, got left off after, “…gets back to us.”

    • Wally’s probably too busy picking out a new car based on his fees if Scientology launches a new case.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        and taking away any mirrors in his home, car or vicinity so he doesn’t have to look at himself! EVER!…

        • MarcabExpat

          He doesn’t show up in mirrors anyway, silly 🙂

    • BronxLaurie10

      Just wanted to tell you how much I love your icon pic.

  • PickAnotherID

    Good news! Now we can really have a happy ‘Restimulation Day’ (otherwise known as ‘Vesuvius Day’) [f5]
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ayPTEl8BP4M/maxresdefault.jpg

    And since it’s also ‘National Waffle Day’, here’s a special waffle for breakfast. Don’t eat your keyboard by mistake!
    http://peewee.com/wp-content/uploads/website_waffle_beauty_shot_new2.jpg

  • RandomSP

    Scientology… Far-out? You bet! But maybe things are not so groovy in Hubville.

    A little vintage something from my collection. Enjoy!

    PS, Disqus messes with the image order. Right now, it goes 6, 9, 3, 10, 13, 11, 8, 12, 1, 7, 4, 5, 2. Don’t know if that is for just me or if everyone sees it that way and I don’t know if it will change again.

    • TonyOrtega

      Instead of just dumping this in the comments, this might have made for an interesting, and more readable, post. Please think of the site and all of its readers next time.

      • RandomSP

        Tony, it is early. Feel free to pull this post and I will mail you the mag and you can do whatever you like with it.

        Edit: I am downsizing and will be getting rid of my collection anyway.

        • TonyOrtega

          It’s already up, and that’s fine. Looks like interesting stuff. But soon there will be hundreds of comments, and it will get buried. Just trying to make more folks aware that we love getting stuff like this for posts.

          • RandomSP

            Understood. Personally, I have no journalistic ambitions. Just came across this last night while “dekludging” (LOL – that for the exes) and thought your readers might enjoy it.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Thanks for the post, it looks very interesting.

            • madge filpot

              Ya know Random.. there ARE some great terms we learned in SCN huh! Nothing can beat “dekludge” for describing getting rid of stuff.

            • Juicer77

              oops moved to the correct spot!

            • Juicer77

              Please don’t just trash this stuff! There are people who will gladly take it to archive and make searchable. Thanks for sharing. 🙂

            • RandomSP

              I am going to ask Tony if he will act as middleman if I gift the collection to someone here.

            • I’ll take it, scan it and post it online!

            • chukicita

              ^^^Please let Once Born do this!

            • RandomSP

              Most of my collection is books ranging from Scandal of Scientology and Madman or Messiah to Blown For Good and The Complex, most probably not suitable for posting online. They would make a great lending library. I only have a few gems like this. I would be happy to send you this mag for your archive. Email me at my username followed by 80 at Google’s favorite email service.

            • Done. Thanks.

            • Juicer77

              You know he wants “first dibs,” right? 😉

            • RandomSP

              LOL, you called it.

            • MarcabExpat

              Edit: never mind, I keep forgetting to scroll down, carry on!

          • Juicer77

            Maybe you could talk to some of the authors for their perspective on writing these pieces?

          • RandomSP

            Tony, I sent you an email with a request.

      • Tony, I just pulled out a stack of old LRH I collected 74-80s. I was going to put it all on e-bay but will make a list and send it incase you want any for an article. Also Jeffery A is collecting (I gave him my old High Winds & the FO when Ron died and I think Warrior is collecting admin issues (I sent him all my finance PLs and books). I’m downsizing too 🙂

      • Tony, please consider doing an article especially with the background of the writer and any after effects from the church. This random posting is valuable but it’s today and I haven’t finished yesterday so I won’t read it all 🙁

        • Oh I see, Once Born is going to. Thanks.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Wow! Just has time to scan a couple pages…so looking forward to reading this after work. The lingo is awesome. I think it’s not too late for Tony take this and run with it. So many unanswered questions (…well some may be answered in the article)…like where did you find this gem? Who was the author – beyond just her name? What prompted her to write it? Any fair gaming? Etc.

      • Snuzey

        For my part I’m a bit of a lazy reader and the pics are small, so totally up for Tony to take this on, looks like there’s a lot of it.

        • ReallyMGM

          I had to double click on the pages to open them to read them larger. I think I am going to save them in order because they are a bit different. The language the writer uses is very unique and funn…very 60ish. I would live to have the website address to read the rest of the articles. It has an entire section about “THE PILL” that I want to read!

    • madge filpot

      I do believe that’s Milt Wolf up there behind the meter. Sans mustache. Anyone?

    • PickAnotherID

      Someone was really paying attention when they noticed this, “They won’t let you take an aspirin…but they smoke like fiends.”

    • RandomSP

      For some reason, Disqus seems to have rearranged the order of the images?? And I cannot edit images in my post? They are still all there, you may just have to skip around. Here is the cover again, just for fun.

      PS, at the risk of stating the obvious, click the images for a full-size version.

      • Robert Eckert

        “Disqus seems to have rearranged the order of the images?” It always does that.

        • RandomSP

          Weird. Right now, it goes 6, 9, 3, 10, 13, 11, 8, 12, 1, 7, 4, 5, 2.

          I feel like I am playing Sudoku.

          That is the order right now…

          For me…

    • WOG with Attitude

      Wow! This is spot on! The paragraph about how Scientology is set up to take people’s money was mind blowing!

      How does Scientology get to run this scam for so many years!?

  • Richard

    Amatrice and the surrounding area does not need you F-ing Volunteer Ministers, so keep your ass-holes away for your photo-ops, while the Civil Protection, firemen, police, army and real volunteers are doing their hard work.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Good to see you, Richard.
      I hope all is well with you.

    • aquaclara

      ^^^^. Hope you and all our Bunkerite friends are safe. This is so sad.

    • Draco

      Are they there already? Hope not. The area can do without their bloodsucking BS.

      Hope you and yours are safe. Do you live near the area, Richard? (Don’t have to answer if you don’t want to)

      • Richard

        I live up in the north of Italy.

    • chukicita

      Fidarsi e’ bene, non fidarsi e’ megio.

      My heart goes out to Amatrice.

    • The damage, horror and human toll of major quakes are only compounded when they level such beautiful places.

    • Qbird

      Truthiwant! oh good 2 C U.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      All of our thoughts are with the Italian people who have been affected. This is so sad.

  • StudiusJudius

    For Wally Pope and team.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Congratulations, Ken, I’m so happy for you. This feels like justice.

  • ReallyMGM

    A great recap of a totally confusing legal mess. Sent me for my reading glasses thinking they would help. The tidbit that grabbed me was “But even now he is cautious…”
    What a bunch of scum-sucking, bottom-feeding lawyers represent the CoS.

    Since, I have a ton of time on my hands today and this week, so I will listen the Louis podcast later. Sounds interesting.

    (Still feeling the effect of the great drugs they gave me yesterday from the RFA on my screwed up cervical discs…hope I didn’t offend w/ my lawyer comment.)

  • PickAnotherID

    Found this over on the Florida Bar Ethics ‘FAQ’ page:

    12. In settling a case for my client, the plaintiff, is it ethical for me to agree not to represent any other clients in bringing similar suits against the defendant?

    ANSWER: No. Rule 4-5.6(b) prohibits a lawyer from offering or making any agreement in which a restriction on the lawyer’s right to practice is part of the settlement of a controversy between private parties.

    Which makes me wonder how on earth the McPherson case judge ever bought into $cientologies arguement about the settlement agreement? I would think this would also make it very difficult for $cientology to initiate a new suit agains Ken.

    • The Florida Bar has been conspicuously silent on this whole affair.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s a great find.

    • MarcabExpat

      I can just see them being devious enough and evil enough to file a complaint against him for entering into the agreement in the first place. Ugh.

    • Juicer77

      Good news.

    • Tony Ortega

      This was Ken’s argument all along, but the courts never seemed to care.

    • chukicita

      If I recall correctly, Ken signed a document *on behalf of his client* that Scientology wanted as part of the settlement with Lisa McPherson’s family, that by accepting the settlement, they would never sue Scn, Inc. again. The client (Lisa’s aunt?) wanted to settle.

      But then Scn attorneys decided that Ken, by signing, was also agreeing himself to never sue them again.

      Most of the further obfuscation involved judges in different levels of court telling Ken he faced penalties for representing another client against Scn, and alternately that he could not abandon that client.

      The whole think stunk worse than a Scientology septic tank.

  • 0tessa

    Louis Theroux on the Indies: I think he is mistaken.
    Without the money grabbing and the coercion, Scientology tech in that setting might appeal more to people.
    I know of some people that enjoy it more than before.
    Not me, of course.

    • Peter

      Agreed. Most here haven’t a clue as to what a good session is like. And in the indie field, if you decide to stop, you won’t get attacked or declared! LOL In the many years I was in, I had only one session I could have called “bad”. Even my sec checks went well and smoothly. No mafia style interrogations going on then. At least, not where I was.

      • Kim O’Brien

        super powers do not exist and trying to tell someone that they do …is a lie . Telling someone that they ” pull things in ” ..is a lie . Telling them that they can have ” cause over MEST ” …is a lie . Charging them $5 as opposed to $20,000…is just a cheaper lie .

        • ithilien

          Consciousness researchers have proven that psi powers DO exist. Scientology however is a brainwashing technique that has no relationship to their development.

          • Robert Eckert

            Nobody has proven any such thing. You are just trading one variety of woo for another.

          • No they haven’t. Citations required from reputable, peer-reviewed sources.

          • For example?

          • Kim O’Brien

            no …no one has proven that …and that it just yet another lie .

      • gtsix

        So, describe this good session. Explain what it is like, in your own words, as you’re here and can do so.

      • Juicer77

        Seconding gtsix’s comment. I’m very interested to know what you feel the benefit(s) were.

      • flyonthewall

        really? At one point didn’t Marty get put in lower conditions by his indie buddies?

      • ithilien

        You willingly submitted to a security check and came out with a glowing report about your experience? The very fact that sec checks exist shows a corrupt orwellian brainwashing organization, and you didnt even realize it what you were involved with. Isnt the mind fuck inherent in the auditing? Isnt the gathering of data about you make you vunerable to control and blackmail? You traded away a lot for a good rush.

        • 0tessa

          In a true religious setting confession has its use, like in the Catholic Church. In an Indie setting it might be more truly religious than in a Scientology organization, where Miscavige might be reading and filming everything you say and use it against you when later on in court etc. At least I hope so for the ‘penitent’. Peter seems to have experienced that.
          It depends also on the technique used. Scientology confession in the 70ties degraded into a third degree interrogation with long lists of unimaginable crimes. Based on Hubbard’s paranoia.
          I would happily confess to Father Brown.

    • ze moo

      A kinder, gentler, $cienoland is just Lron’s delusions written down. While places like the Dror Center may survive, it can’t survive without the cudgel that is the real ‘catechism’ of $cientology. The reverie of auditing is not enough to keep them coming back forever.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Great news for Dandar… so happy to hear it. I’d love to say ‘common sense prevailed’… but sadly this is nothing but a technicality, really. Hopefully it never gets tested in a new case, no matter how much better positioned Ken is. 🙂 Congrats, Mr Dandar!

    • It is unclear when effluent most recently built up in the stream but Graeme Wilson, a spokesman for The Church of Scientology, said a new sewage system installed at the church meant there have been no recent issues with sewage from its site.

      He said: “Since we installed our state-of-the-art sewage system there has been zero effluent released into the environment, as verified for the past two months from tests undertaken to ensure it is operating perfectly.”

      Since Graeme’s lips were moving, it probably means that they didn’t really install a new Ideal Septic Tank (no ribbon yanking for that after all), they only flushed out the old system and now it’s overflowed again. Same as always.

      That might explain why the Union Jacks were flying upside-down at the last ceremony there.

      • Juicer77

        I want to see Mismanage pull the ribbon on the new terl-et system!! SWIDT? 😉

        • For that, he might yank the chain.

          • Juicer77

            f5

          • Mark Foster

            HE YANKS THE CHAIN
            INSTEAD OF HIS PUD
            THE CHEEKY LITTLE WANKSTAIN
            IS A HOMO NOVUS DUD

      • Kestrel

        Funding for the Ideal Super Power Sewage System begins as soon as appropriate Status levels can be established. At least one of the levels will be the ‘Cardone.’

      • Draco

        ” (no ribbon yanking for that after all)” – now there’s an grand opening even I would attend!

        And as we know, to CoS state of the art means 10 – 20 year old stuff.

    • chukicita

      Seems like a pattern of stinky behavior:

      http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/cms/story/detail/caught_by_surprise/10172/

      “Hours after an article appeared about a claim for damages filed against the city by the Church of Scientology over a sewage spill in the church’s building in Old Pasadena, a church official acknowledged that mistakes were made in the filing of the document.

      The church is listed as the claimant, not subrogate Lexington Insurance Co. Further, the name of the lawyer who filed the claim on behalf of the insurance company is not listed on the document. Making matters even more confusing, the insurance company failed to tell church officials that a claim had been filed over the Nov. 23 sewage spill.

      The time allowed to file a claim for damages against the city is six months, and time was running out to file a claim over the spill, which church officials say caused $700,000 in damages. The claim was filed two days before the church received an award from the city for its restoration work on the historic structure. The council was presented with the claim on May 23, six months to the day of the sewage spill.”

      And then there’s … f5

      Evidently Hubbard forgot to write policy letters and bulletins about sewage.

    • Since lying to Wogs is legitimate, I suspect Saint Hill.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      A reminder of the video Steve Jones uploaded 3 years ago. The Environment Agency was notified at the time and said that after reassurances from St Hill no further action needed to be taken.

      https://youtu.be/vgjt8eR1K4w

  • aquaclara

    Cheering Ken’s great news this morning. Great work. And whew. It’s about time.

  • Juicer77

    Although I’m 100% sure the Co$ will file some stupid retribution case against Mr. Dandar… what the heck, this is still great news.
    (Cup)caek(s) for everyone!!! f5

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T
    A Filipino fisherman found the biggest pearl ever in a giant clam,
    worth an estimated 100 $million.
    I’ll bet DM is going to be prising open all those little clam shells pronto.

    http://www.popsci.com/fisherman-found-75-lb-pearl-in-giant-clam

    • Juicer77

      Imagine how old that clam must have been? In other news, a Mrs. Duggan bought the pearl as a necklace and is now suffering a severe neck injury! JK

      • jazzlover

        Why didn’t she just do the normal fashionista thang and make it into an earring? 😉

    • Draco

      If you turn it upside down, it would make a handy snack holder…peanuts anyone?

      I hope the fisherman gets a good % of the price for it and that all the massive profits don’t go to some wealthy person.

    • daisy

      Must be a replica of Trump+s hair. Big enough for his ego. but needs more orange hairspray,

    • flyonthewall

      I hope he reads John Steinbeck

      • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

        Getting known throughout the world is the best life insurance policy these days. I’ve been to the Philippines. I’ve been in places there where I stayed in the car while my wife and her family went shopping because my pasty complexion made me a target for a possible kidnapping. The crooks assume that if you’re white and over there you have a lot of money.

        I hope he gets some friends and family to stay with him until it’s sold. For that kind of money he could get one of those visas for investing and come over here and settle wherever he wants to. 5 will get you 10 that somebody has whispered the magic word “Hawaii” to him already.

    • KingofSweden

      Ladies and Gentlemen: the newest IAS trophy…. the Clam-DooDoo of Valor.

      • BosonStark

        Maybe if Duggan gave a billion dollars, Miscavige could have the pearl made into a trophy. I read where it’s worth 100 million. It’d be giving it back to a clam.

  • I’m delighted that Ken no longer has that hanging over him, and I don’t want to spoil the party.

    However, it’s not all bad for Scientology. They have neutralised an effective advocate who did them damage in court. Everyone knows that if he even thinks about representing anyone with a case against Scientology in future, they will dust that ‘agreement’ off again, and use it to harass him, as per doctrine.

    The long, drawn-out nature of the proceedings and Scientologys willingness to spend a fortune to break a perceived enemy will surely be noted by other advocates, who will consequently steer clear of clients with a case against the CofS.

    The only way that Scientology is going to be seriously damaged in the courts is if a precedent is established that gives large numbers of people a cause for action that is likely to succeed. However, ex-Scientologists are still likely to be deterred – and someone has to run the gauntlet all the way to judgement (refusing attractive settlements along the way).

    The reason the CofS is declining is its inability to recruit, which much eventually result in an organisational collapse when there are no longer enough capable people left to run such a large and complex organisation.

    Unfortunately, as long as the CofS can deploy its huge financial reserves, we will have to wait for natural wastage to degrade its ability to defend itself.

  • ze moo

    “We’ll let you know if he gets back to us.” That is the new ‘Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead’. I will not hold my breath waiting for an answer.

    I think that unless some one with a real legal mind gets to Miscavage, a new lawsuit will be filed against Dandar. DM is like a corgi with a rubber bone, he does not want to let go and he really wants to put some fear into the legal profession. Never mind Ryan Hamilton and all the NarCONon suits, Ken Dandar has to be made an example. That is, unless DM is satisfied that he has caused enough fear. Betting on a sociopaths state of mind is a thankless task.

    Good for the Florida Supreme Court, now, why didn’t the state bar association chime in? No-compete clauses are unenforceable under Florida law. Why no friend of the court filings?

    • chukicita

      Now I don’t know a lot about courts in Florida, but maybe the State’s Attorney being in Scientology’s hip pocket (holding fundraisers at the Ft H) might have some kind of impact on it.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        You took the words right out of my keyboard.

      • ze moo

        One fundraiser doesn’t buy or even rent an Attorney General’s attention, let alone their office. Pam is now a darling of the Trump run Republican Party. She has bigger fish to fry than Ken Dandar. The problem is that Florida courts did not use Florida no-compete laws to decide this case. The whole thing smelled like week old fish from the start.

        • chukicita

          The AG office has been lenient on Scientology for awhile – Butterworth before Pam and his predecessors back to when Gabe Cazares was mayor. You’re right about what the Florida courts did, but why would the bar be silent about it?

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Maybe the Pam Bondi effect???

    • With Scientology, Enemies Are Forever, however they do assign them varying ranks of threat and measures against them.

      They could immediately try again to get Ken Dandar, but they risk breaking their stick in doing so. What they might do is hold it in reserve as a chilling effect, and if it doesn’t work and he gets involved in another Scientology case, use it to open up a second front to try to overwhelm him, like in the Brennan case.

  • Observer

    D’oh! I posted this on the wrong story.

    Another thwarting of His Miniscule Majesty’s will?! The day draws closer, Captain Miscavige…

    Refresh

    • How can there be a wrong story for that image?

      • Rasha

        IKR???

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hahahaha…

      Caption to read: Now, go ahead and bend over, this will only take a few days and even though it’s going to hurt a LOT, it’s not going to kill you.

    • John Prince

      Nothing like a bit of refined Humor to start the Day! .. you KNOW you’re needleing cob to death with this HILARIOUS shit, right? (have you no shame Obs? ..not one ounce of dignity? )

      keep up the FABULOUS work !!! we’re WINNING

  • Newspapers, Louie, newspapers.

  • Noesis

    “It’s almost that the authoritarian dimension of Scientology and the way in which it demands total obedience from its followers is intrinsic to its ability to have an effect.”

    Lol.

    Yep. That just about sums it up.

    Scientology is the tautology that just keeps on taking.

    At least until folks figure it out and walk away.

  • Our proprietor has an unfortunate name. Every time I read ‘Tony Ortega’ my mind changes it to Tony Orlando and I get a ‘Tie a Little Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree’ ear worm that lasts for hours. This morning I got thinking (I’m working on two hours sleep so I may not be thinking but…)

    What is Tony Ortega is Tony Orlando, and used to be a closeted Scientologist? His Village Voice column, and now the Underground Bunker, are his way of getting back at David Mascavige for some slight that happened at the Celebrity Center. He has an out of work actor play the face and voice of Tony Ortega because his own face and voice are too easily recognizable.

    Maybe COB ignored him to pay attention to Tom Cruise, or they decided not to use him as the song writer/performer for Battlefield Earth. Could be damned near anything considering COB’s super power of making people furious with him.

    Just a thought…

    • chukicita

      Shhh. We’ll be quiet. Go back to sleep.

      • ObsessedReader

        That’s funny!

      • A Bunkeroo being quiet? God forbid!

        • chukicita

          Heh. You came to the wrong place if you wanted to get some sleep. ;D

    • BronxLaurie10

      I was just watching Tony Orlando (and Dawn) on Carol Burnett last night.

    • ObsessedReader

      You have a great and wacky imagination. 😄

      • I write Horror stories for a living 😈

        • ObsessedReader

          I’m so glad you told me, just found your website and diving in!

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I was never into Dawn.

      • I was. Those ladies were really nice looking!

    • MarcabExpat

      “Uh… I’ll have what he’s having.”

      • Ah, another afiacando. How do you like your morphine?

  • ithilien

    Rogans forced laugh ug. Also anyone here could have done better.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Short and sweet for Dander, but after such a long, costly struggle. I’m happy for this ruling as we all are. I don’t believe the scientologists will start over. Dander, love to you!

    • Juicer77

      I hope you’re right, Dee. Maybe they have bigger problems right now to start this one all over again…

  • Just checking in before I ferry the estimable Butch Pansy to the hospital for his new hip this morning. He’s a strong moose and a bit of a stoic, but when you get to bone on bone there isn’t enough ibuprophen to make a real difference anymore. Touch assists are right out. Here’s to 21st century medicine.

    Back to the topic at hand: Congrats to Mr. Dandar. May the dwarf leave you in peace.

    • Juicer77

      Best wishes to Mr. Pansy for a smooth procedure and stress-free recuperation! Hooray for big pharma painkillers in cases like this.

    • beauty for ashes

      I hope all goes well for your stoic butch pansy moose. 🙂 I hear there’s nothing like that new hip feeling.

    • DoveAlexa

      May you be granted ample quantities of Oxy! 😀

  • Mark Foster

    ” You are all glib, I say! Glib!”
    Scratches balls and walks away…

    • flyonthewall
      • Mark Foster

        LOVE YA, FLY!
        He scratched HIS balls on the way out, too! 🙂

    • Juicer77

      *snortle*

    • April

      I love you Mark. Don’t ever leave us.

    • Mockingbird

      The Tom Cruise charm school.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I’ll never hear that word the same way again since that TC interview! Lol

  • Joe

    Wouldn’t the statute of limitations run on Scientology’s breach of contract claim? Based on Tony’s timeline, Dandar would’ve represented Britton circa 2009 (which is when the breach of contract would have allegedly occurred), but I think in Florida breach of contract cases have five year statutes of limitation, so if Scientology filed it in 2016, it could possibly be too late. Other attorneys here, what do you think?

    For non-lawyers, a statute of limitations is basically the window in which you can sue somebody or the period when your lawsuit is still “fresh.” It has different lengths of time depending on the cause of action or basis for the lawsuit but its purpose is to encourage litigants to present their claims while their evidence is still fresh (use it or lose it). For example, you don’t want someone coming to you in 2016 and being like “oh, remember when you hit me with your car in 1993?” Most of the physical evidence (damage, injury) would be gone by then and people’s memories of the event (i.e., their testimony) would be shady at best.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Ken Dandar is a hero and a fighter.
    This is to him:

  • jazzlover

    A phantogram is an optical illusion whereby two-dimensional images appear to be three-dimensional. Sounds like a certain cult to me. I first heard this song on “Roadies” the other night. It’s not my usual thing, but I found the hook rather catchy, and the lyrics apt to the overall story presented so expertly within these pages:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jryzEU7WAlg

    • beauty for ashes

      OMG I have that SAME outfit. LOL. Bitch stole my look! 😉

      • jazzlover

        Ha! The song is killer though. I can recommend the show, too.

  • Funding to do the Funding so the Funding will get funded *lol* http://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-mystery-solved/

  • BosonStark

    I like Joe Rogan’s rambling interviews, which are long enough that it allows Joe or his guest to go on any tangent they wish.

    As far as informing people about Scientology, and important things like how it differs from other religions — the expense, hard sell, their degree of deception, and going after critics — Tony, when giving an interview, is much better at introducing those topics early on. That helps listeners not so familiar with Scientology understand it. Maybe that isn’t as important when someone is going to listen to over two hours of someone talking, and Joe and Louis did get to those things.

    Louis covered the going-after-critics aspect well, since he was treated as an enemy, and it’s always interesting to hear another person’s take on it, even when he had some basic facts wrong. When he thinks a Sea Org contract has 40 billion years, or there are 16 levels after Clear (although there may end up being that many after they keep making up new ones), these are details most of us have mastered, he should maybe jot these things down.

    Those two details aren’t that important, but knowing basic details — maybe writing them down on cue cards — is a good idea when trying to make a compelling statement about what happens after Clear, for example.

    Tony would explain that it isn’t just that there are more
    levels, but that a person finds out they aren’t really clear at all, but
    infested with clusters of alien souls called body thetans, and then the
    silly things you have to go through to get rid of those, at higher costs than ever.

    Louis has his own unique experience with Scientology, in making the film about them, and also he’s done so many other documentaries, he notices how different Scientology can be from other groups, so his comments about his subjective experience are what I liked the most.

    • Libertylover

      I think the 40 billion years comment was more of a flippant comment, as in a ridiculous amount. Hey what’s a few billion when clearing the planet is so urgent.
      Also 16 levels or some other number? I think I’ve seen charts from them showing more than they offer, but they’re yet to be released, and I totally believe them, they wouldn’t lie, would they?
      Yeah that’s not so important really. I was surprised how much Theroux actually knew. He’s seemed a little more in the dark before, but I think that’s his style to get others to open up. Rogan was all over the board, pretty hard to have notes for that. Rogan plays stupid and used to be more like his News Radio character.
      He’s gotten away from the more stupid conspiracy junk and his show is like watching a chump educate himself (Neil deGrasse Tyson was great.) Louis seems to genuinely like his curious nature.
      Comparing Louis to Tony isn’t fair, there isn’t a never in, that knows more, or can recall facts better in an interview. 🙂

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The Theroux quote that Tony highlighted in describing the Rogan-Theroux interview also struck me as noteworthy:

      “The problem with the independent movement is that, it turns out that if
      you remove the rather predatory money-raising side, and the sort of
      fundamentalist controlling side, you get something a bit wishy-washy
      that’s more or less indistinguishable from many other self-help creeds.
      It sort of loses its potency. It’s almost that the authoritarian
      dimension of Scientology and the way in which it demands total obedience
      from its followers is intrinsic to its ability to have an effect.”

      Without the cult mind control features and its ‘mystery religion’ allure, you end up with just another non brain-based school of psychotherapy whose value as an integrated system of effective psychotherapeutic interventions can be directly compared – via standard academic research methodology – to every other similar system and model to evaluate its relative effectiveness.

      Elron chose early on not to submit his Dianetics system and model to more extensive research and academic debate within peer-reviewed journals within the field, in part, due to the fact that preliminary research findings did not determine it to be particularly effective.

      Baffling folks with your bullshit is a whole lot easier if they have no understanding or appreciation for what the scientific method is or how it can help to objectively sort out claims made by folks who have a vested interest in portraying their own method in a positive light. In a sense, one could say that the fundamental “misunderstood” in $cn is what the word “science” actually means with respect to our means of objectively sorting out truth claims. Despite its attempt to co-opt its meaning and poise as being in alignment with the methods of modern science of the time. $cn is an essentially anti-scientific belief system, which maintains a thoroughly discredited position concerning the disembodied, non-physicalist account of mind as existing in disconnection from the brain.

  • Robert Ramsay

    Great to see that a good person has prevailed against these pudknockers. The sun is shining a tad brighter today.

  • Fink Jonas

    Oh the things that money can do! thanks to all the Patron Meritorious and medal of valor winners for pouring money to allow Scientology to go on and on ruining lives … fighting pointless law suits just to show bragging rights, how about using the money to fight ISIS that would be a real greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics…. I know you won’t get a chintzy trophy for that right!

    • April

      They could show up in Syria and hand out WTH booklets? That would totally work. Totally.

  • Off topic: for a few months there has now been a list of accounts of the disconnection policy, put together by Anonymous:

    http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Accounts_of_Scientology%27s_Disconnection_Policy_by_Former_Members_and_Others

    By now over 300 documented accounts from people speaking out about it using their real name.

    If you want your story to be added, please see the page.

    Damn “church”. 🙁

    • stillgrace2

      When I click on some of the links on this wikia page (Lori Hodgson, Phil Jones, Marc Headley- for example), I get a “tonyortega.org 403 Forbidden Error Page” error message. The links that work point to sites other than Tony’s site.

      Anyone else experiencing this? (F5 for pic of message)

      • Huh? I have this problem too. Will report to the one who does the wiki.

        ETA: When I use a link to go to an incognito window then it works fine. Looks like there is a problem on the wiki page. Will be fixed ASAP.

        • it’s an ad redirection going wrong, press [Skip ad] before timeout or remove the ad feature completely if they can

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Thanks for the heads up!

      This is an excellent idea indeed. The fall back position for $cn, when they’re faced with incontrovertible evidence that disconnection was enforced in a particular case, is to continue to maintain that it is NOT the official cherch position, but merely represents the erroneous actions of certain individuals within the group. It’s the standard CYA move that the RC church has implemented in its many attempts to shield upper level church officials from legal (and moral) culpability in the widespread pedophile priest scandals that have engulfed it for years.

      Creating a data base containing the detailed stories of families who’ve been damaged and destroyed by the cherch’s disconnection policy application throughout the world, over a long span of time and upon the many different individuals, is a very good way of ensuring that the cherch can not deny that disconnection policy IS the official policy of the entire cherch.

      I’m sure that the 300 individuals whose accounts of that policy being applied to them and their families only begins to scratch the surface of the total number of folks affected by it. It’s a project that deserves to be supported and promoted to more wide-spread societal awareness. And it is one that seems like a natural to be integrated with and extend the Jones’s “Call Me” public campaign to end disconnection and re-unite families.

      • Exactly. I’d like to show up with a megaphone and read the list on ‘their’ corners. I’ve wanted a list like this for a long time! Great post.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Thanks! You know, that’s a really good idea. Maybe we should start a Day of Remembrance for all those who’ve lost family and friends to the cherch’s evil doctrine of disconnection where a yearly reading of the list of all those who’ve been a victim of it could take place in front of as many orgs as possible.

          I think that enforced/coerced disconnection is just one aspect of a more encompassing theme of $cn family destruction which also includes forced abortions, forced divorces, posting of couples to different regions, and historically, the separation of children from their parents to be raised in isolation from them. When viewed altogether and within the context of the cherch’s earlier practices when children were still allowed, it begins to paaint an unmistakable picture of an organization bent on undermining whatever familial coherence and loyalties that exist in utter disregard of the kind of true family values that almost everyone else holds dear.

          Of all the many and heinous practices of the RC church over the millennia, it was the abuse of children and its attempted cover up that most enraged the public and finally galvanized meaningful changes within the church and law enforcement agencies. I think that, as a rallying cause which everyone can relate to, the calculated abuse of children and families in $cn is perhaps the most potent symbol of its evil and its systematic exposure the best way to bring about the destruction of whatever positive public approval that may continue to exist for the cherch and, hopefully, its eventual reform or destruction.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Louis Theroux’ documentaries are broadcasted regularly on Belgian television.
    It’s a great thing that such a renowned and succesful documentary maker has made a documentary on Scientology and is so well-informed about the subject of Scientology.
    I really enjoyed the Joe Rogan experience show.
    Louis Theroux has both American and British nationalities. I love his British accent.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T
    While DM is having a red light waved at him by Florida,
    here in the Abrupta residence we have to announce the
    Golden Age of Crawling Tech.
    It made a tentative appearance yesterday and,
    having successfully passed Beta-testing,
    has now moved on to Full Speed ahead.
    Can the Front Porch of Infinity be far away?
    Can Pan get enough child gates in place?
    Xenu help us!

    • flyonthewall

      he’s got that crazy look in his eye again!

    • Jimmy3

      GACT!

    • Rasha

      KITTEH!!!! <3

      • Jimmy3

        Some people are kitteh people. He’s a people kitteh.

      • Juicer77

        LOL

    • Graham

      That look in his eye: “Are you sure you want me to do this? ‘cos once I’ve learned to do this there’s no turning back and you’ll have to deal with the consequences. You sure you’re up for this?”

    • beauty for ashes

      Look at those glorious cheeks! <3 <3 <3

    • Draco

      Oh Lordie! I remember that stage…NOTHING will be safe for the next few years!
      To the Porch of Infinity and Beyond!

    • Juicer77

      Golden Age of Crawl Tech soon followed by Golden Age of Reach Up and Grab Tech! XD

      • Yeah.
        Can’t wait for them to crawl or walk, and then you can’t keep them out of things.
        Can’t wait for them to talk, and then they won’t shut up.
        Etc., etc.

      • MarcabExpat

        And you have to watch out in case you’ve got a prodigy who zooms straight on to Climbing Tech!

  • Jimmy3

    Where does a dead lawsuit go to pick up a new case body? The courthouse? Law offices? Straight to the legal pad manufacturing plant?

    • Chasing ambulances is traditional.

      • beauty for ashes

        I just pictured a father son lawyer musical number.

    • flyonthewall
      • Jimmy3

        I know what movie you passed out to last night.

        • flyonthewall

          I knew that “smoke detector” on the ceiling looked unfamiliar!

          I actually found a youtube channel of reaction vids, so yeah be expecting a lot of that from me for the foreseeable future.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WSe9ugpXIw

          • Jimmy3

            I was going to say Casablanca.

            • flyonthewall

              guess again Rufus! It was Straight Outta Compton. Hence all my NWA vids posted last night. Was good

            • Jimmy3

              It’s also a giant lie. In reality, Eazy E was assassinated by Eskimos, and Ice Cube is white.

            • flyonthewall
            • beauty for ashes

              Nothing is as gangster as posing with one foot on the toilet.

            • flyonthewall

              it’s turlet time boys n girls!

            • beauty for ashes

              AWWW Crap nebula, I just choked on my own laughter.

          • DoveAlexa

            YES! JOIN US IN THE LAND OF MEMES!

  • MadisonAgain

    SMP in LA Weekly. No discussion about fact scientology has no broadcast license. http://www.laweekly.com/news/what-is-the-church-of-scientology-doing-with-this-los-angeles-movie-studio-7293993

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Can’t do much if anything without one of those!

    • Bleh! That page does horrible things in Firefox to the system load.

      • MadisonAgain

        Duck Duck Go is my browser of choice but used AMZ Silk for this – did that cause the problem? OT but this is the last Kindle Fire I’ll ever buy. The ereaders rock, the tablets not so much.

    • Juicer77

      “They’ve been very good stewards of their buildings.” You might want to fact-check cities other than LA, Mr. Wanamaker. Lots of derelict Co$ eyesores around!

    • Kestrel

      “Pouw now says there are “millions of Scientologists worldwide and approximately 425,000 in the Los Angeles area.”

      So, if only one out of ten scientologists in the Los Angeles area show up for the next big event there, they should nearly fill Dodger Stadium. Let’s see where they end up having it. And how many show up.

    • beauty for ashes

      Broadcast is on a theta wavelength. If you can’t perceive it, you are an SP and need more auditing.

      • MarcabExpat

        If everything the Cherch of Sciloonery did was only perceptible to true Clears, I wouldn’t have a problem with them.

        • beauty for ashes

          If only there was a true clear in the CO$! I hear they can take that cert back. What a strange idea!

  • nottrue

    Stats low.. Here is where you go…

    • nottrue

      ….

      • jazzlover

        “Eatme & Go” next door. Karma?

      • Draco

        Is he picking his nose?

        • Len Zinberg

          Holding his nose?

          • Draco

            Could be either ;P

      • April

        Wow. What a hovel.

  • Congratulations, Ken. Let’s just hope Shortarse Miscavige can take a good strong hint. (Apply good strong hint to that part of Miscavige presumed to contain his brain):

    • Observer

      I love the money flying out of his pockets!

    • Oush! The Go Away sign!

    • MarcabExpat

      NOT ONE THIN DIME FOR ALL THAT CRIME!

      (sorry I just get so excited when Lil’ Cob gets unexpectedly denied a hoped-for windfall)

  • While this lawsuit should never have been taken seriously by the courts, it’s still brilliant news that the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology failed to ruin Ken Dandar. Congratulations!

  • beauty for ashes

    Joe and Louis had quite a conversation. Glad there are people who still enjoy the art of it.
    If you have a Youtube account you can click on the clock symbol and save it for later.
    Who else thought Mr. Rogan might have slipped something *extra* into Mr. Theroux’s drink? 😉

    • flyonthewall

      you think he roofied him?

      • beauty for ashes

        yep. totes. Wait, are roofies Quaaludes?
        Mr. Theroux did remark that the *energy drink* Joe served him was doing him wonders. I think some *health supplements* are legal in California.
        I’m just being cheeky, it really is not often hear two men sort of bond the way they did and sort of go off on their own wavelength.

        • jazzlover

          “Roofies” is generic slang for date rape drugs. Totally different from ludes.

  • nottrue
  • Todd Tomorrow

    Not sure if he mentions it but Louis lives in the US now. Apparently he loves his lager. There is enough strange things in LA to keep him busy for quite awhile.

    • jazzlover

      Moving from the UK to LA for better lager isn’t a thing 🙂

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ve just heard he’s been seen out exploring LA nightlife. You can’t even call the piss they sell here as real lager. Stop being a cheeky monkey,

        • jazzlover

          I’m just providing a service – a higher level of “cheeky” than the norm here.

        • beauty for ashes

          They sell PISS in LA?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            The UK gay bloaks seem to be into that more than the American ones. But I had a gym teacher that told us to piss on our feet before showering because he claimed it lowered your chance of getting athletes foot. Some Japanese drink their morning urine since it contains all the vitamins from the day before. I did get real bad athletes foot in Brazil and my Mum told me to soak them in Dreft, which is what you wash baby clothes with. Worked like a charm. Now if you are miles away from a hospital and have a gross cut then you can use urine to clean it out. Not only is it sterile but rumored to have antaseptic properties.

            • beauty for ashes

              I wonder if dreft has borax in it, also antiseptic. did not have to know about the Japanese thing, I think I might borax my brain now!

            • Todd Tomorrow
            • I was told by a bricklayer that urine also prevents alkali burns if you get too much cement on your hands.

              PS: what if you cut your shoulder? How do you… er… deploy your natural antiseptic from a dispenser that is fixed in quite the wrong location.

      • MarcabExpat

        You’ve just reminded me that I’m still pissy that St. Peter’s Best Bitter is no longer imported to the US. All the other St. Peter’s Brewery products still are, but I’m not looking for all the others, I WANT MY BEST BITTER.

        • jazzlover

          We’re stuck with watered-down Heineken or Pilsner Urquell. Sorry 🙂

  • Skabetti

    Answering one of the interview questions: George Romney is the 43rd Governor of Michigan from 1963 to 1969, and the United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1969 to 1973. He was the father of former Governor of Massachusetts and 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and the husband of former Michigan U.S. Senate candidate Lenore Romney.

    • beauty for ashes

      Thanks for that! 🙂

  • Scientology is a miracle. No doubt about it!

  • nottrue

    All you needed to make that presentation was this…SMP = Glorified Cellphone

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    My daughter sent me down this very short rabbit hole. O/T but not entirely…

    http://nihilisa-frank.tumblr.com/

    (refresh)

  • nottrue

    Volunteer Ministers needed for clean up….

    • In isle three…

    • Rasha

      ….Possibly one of my favorite pics evar. Composition: nicely balanced. Tone: communicates rejected grubbiness beneath the shiny car and swept pavement. Subject: detritus in the gutter.

      Yeah. This works. ^_^

    • Jimmy3

      There’s still another hit on that Kool butt. That’s a stat.

      • Rasha

        Nah. It’s filtered. Can’t run out radiation with a filter on it.

        • beauty for ashes

          I forget, is that really a dead lron thing? Smoking runs out radiation? I ‘m pretty sure he did say not smoking enough will give you cancer. (which by the way my crazy aunt also says)

          • Rasha

            I have heard references to it, but I definitely heard the dead guy say “not smoking enough will give you cancer” in the recordings.

            • beauty for ashes

              I’m stealing from Jessie Prince when I call him *dead lron.* I watched a lot of his videos and it’s so irreverent and funny when he says it.

  • Cars
    • beauty for ashes

      hey lady! what a great headline, especially if read with total sarcasm!

  • ScieNAHolgist

    Tony is going to start to get a complex, they never return his calls or emails. LOL

    • DoveAlexa

      It’s like he’s the only one trying to make this relationship work! GAWD!

      • Kestrel

        Thanks for that little flashback.

  • Mark Allen Shreck
    • jazzlover

      Always nice to see authority gettin’ woodies while standing in a celebrity’s space.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Oy Vey!…
      (refresh)

      • Observer

        Let me guess…vice?

        • Kim O’Brien

          massage parlor inspector ?

          • beauty for ashes

            he has that embroidered on a little shield inside all his robes.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        F5

  • According to science, time as we know it, has stopped and is now running backwards, meaning we all, are now getting younger and have to experience the same shit again!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      If I could know what I know now then I’d relish the chance.

      • sure. it is double up like GAT II

      • flyonthewall

        i’ll take one chance with onion, ketchup and mustard plz.

        ok I’ll stop now

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’d make yah rich.

          • beauty for ashes

            Legally TT?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yes,I guess it would be just as easy as the normal way I make quidly.

    • flyonthewall

      science time!? whassat?

      • it’s according?

        • beauty for ashes

          like an accordion?

          • Noouuuu! like accordion!

            • beauty for ashes

              I’m gonna tap out, I think this conversation might be too smart for me. 🙂

            • 🙂

      • Sherbet

        That’s what L. Ron called it when he stuck electrodes onto tomato plants. “Oh, boy, it’s science time! Gotta put this ‘research’ into my writings!”

        • flyonthewall

          Sherb’s back everybody!! f5

          • Sherbet

            Aw, that’s sweet. I’m not BACK back. I’m just sort of back. Like occasionally back.

            • flyonthewall

              I’ll take it!

            • Sherbet

              I haven’t been far away. I’ve been just like Tinkerbell, silently hovering on the periphery of the Bunker. An overaged, zaftig Tinkerbell.

            • flyonthewall

              I saw your pic, you aged well Tinkersherb

              ps – Tinkerbell is hot, always had a crush on her.

            • Sherbet

              I always wanted her shoes. And thank you for the compliment, my hirsute friend.

            • flyonthewall

              stop making me google definitions!

            • Sherbet

              I’m back 10 minutes, and already we’re arguing. GoodBYE! (But I’ll be back.)

            • Vaquera

              Hi-bye

            • Kestrel

              I agree. When I saw that picture of Sherbet, my first thought was, “I thought she was supposed to be old.”

            • Sherbet

              Another kind Bunkeroonie! Thank you!

            • flyonthewall

              ikr

            • Kestrel

              It’s good to see you.

            • Sherbet

              Thank you!

            • beauty for ashes

              I put out a psychic beacon for you last night!!!!!!! No really, I was looking up at the stars, and thought , I really miss that green lady Sherbs. She really classed up the place.
              Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! <3 <3 <3

            • Sherbet

              I zoomed right down on your beacon.

            • beauty for ashes

              I’m literally beaming and wagging my tail I’m so excited! Sooo, important question, what is your summer nail color?

            • Sherbet

              Right now, it’s something called “Amore by the Grand Canal.” Does that pass your exacting standards?

            • beauty for ashes

              Sounds luscious. Unless they mean Venice. Although that could be considered a nude on you. hmmm…

            • Sherbet

              It does mean Venice. It looks Christmassy, my being a green alien and all.

            • Vaquera

              What color you sportin’, beauty?

            • beauty for ashes

              I have really ridgy nails, so I use something called post trauma nail treatment by Revlon. It’s also the perfect semi matte nude.

            • Kim O’Brien

              SHERB…….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! side cheek kisses and a warm ” nice to see you ”

              hope all is well

            • Sherbet

              All is well, and all is swell.

        • Observer

          Yahoo! Sherb is back! <3

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Sherb! Hello, how are you? I’ve missed you!

    • beauty for ashes

      Is that what’s happening? That explains a lot, except the gray hair and wrinkles. When is it going to stop and go forward again?

      • There is no end to it. It’s a loop 🙂

  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • jazzlover

      I forgot – was she with Jagger, or Richards,,,,,,or both? 🙂

      • Sherbet

        Jagger, I believe.

        • jazzlover

          Ya kinda ruined it for me 😉 I was imagining a Glimmer Twins three-some.

          • Sherbet

            Could’ve been.

      • nottrue

        As Time Went By…

  • I was looking through Getty Images’ Scientology stuff, and look who I found, Tommy Davis:

    http://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/tom-davis-left-senior-vice-president-of-church-of-news-photo/1325037

    That would have been the US House of Representatives Scientology caucus meeting.

    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa73775.000/hfa73775_0.htm

    • The reason I was looking though Getty Images is because they’ve been nailed for taking other people’s stuff and sending copyright sharks after the original creators.

      Here’s a good example of sloppy some of their claims are:

      L. Ron Hubbard At Desk
      Credit: Yves Forestier / Contributor
      Editorial #: 541361712
      Collection: Sygma
      L. Ron Hubbard At Desk (Photo by Yves Forestier/Sygma via Getty Images)
      Date created: April 28, 1999

      Hubbard looks pretty good for corpse cremated 13 years before, and the real photo probably dates to the 1950s.

      http://www.gettyimages.ie/license/541361712

      • beauty for ashes

        I swear I learn something new from you every day 🙂 Sensei RMycroft!

      • The is a lot of interesting pictures on gettyimages of scios, i was searching for a LRH bagpipe yesterday. Got tired and went out

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’m in one and never signed anything saying they could sell it.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thomas “Tommy” Davis looks so sleazy in that photo.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’d like to squeeze his ‘lil cheeks.

    • From the old Toronto days, Bob Dobson-Smith on the day of the raid:

      http://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/bob-dobson-smith-spokesman-scientology-news-photo/499311813

  • Some guy asked me to post this (he is looking for a date!?!) F5
    http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/t-shirts/

    • DoveAlexa

      Paging Kim!

      • Kim O’Brien

        I appreciate the page !!

        it is tough being a celibate whore 😉

        • beauty for ashes

          We got him just for you, he doesn’t speaka any English, though~ okay? 🙂

          • villagedianne

            Maybe that’s better. That way you can use your imagination to make him better than he is.

          • Baby

            Love is a Universal Language Beauty…so is Groping..

            • beauty for ashes

              That’s… beautiful Baby. We should make a anniversary card out of that saying. 🙂

            • Baby

              hahhahaa You have my permission!

        • villagedianne

          Ha ha.
          But in a way, there is a such thing. I had a friend who once worked as a waitress in a diner on the far west side of Manhattan which was sometimes frequented by ladies of the evening. They described to my friend something called the Dry Hump. That’s where they would build up a sort of relationship with a guy, but in which they never actually slept with him. However they would get money out of the guy anyway.

          • Kim O’Brien

            oh dear god

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I hear yah. Dry spells are horrid but when you work all the time and decided you’re beyond hangin’ out in bars it happens. It Sucks!

  • Vaquera
    • flyonthewall

      back at ya kid! Do you know this lady?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oLqCDwgHOc

      • Vaquera

        No. I dig the stitching on those boots!

        • flyonthewall

          Oh I thought maybe you guys were friends or something

          eta – you know, bc you both like boots

          • Vaquera

            We should be. Give me a week. 🙂

  • Juicer77

    O/T Can all you creative types help me come up with names for three brand-new hedgehog abodes? I used planter boxes (turned over) with ventilation holes drilled around the top and a super seekrit hedgie entrance (brick tunnel). Already fully furnished with grass clippings and leaves, move-in ready. Feeding station set up nearby. I just need some cute names for them. 🙂 f5

    • Scott H

      Never Bugger Inn*

      *with all due apologies to Terry Pratchett

      http://www.lspace.org/fandom/songs/hedgehog-song-6.html

    • flyonthewall

      Hegopolis

    • Jimmy3

      Green Hill Zone
      It’s the first stage in Sonic the Hedgehog, and other than the occasional baddies, it’s green, peaceful and easy for young hedgehogs to navigate.

    • Kim O’Brien

      reminded me of this place here in Colorado LOL.

      • Juicer77

        LOL! Tiny Houses!!!

    • jazzlover

      Ima start calling you “Bob the Builder”.

    • jazzlover

      Hedging_My_Pets dot com

    • Eivol Ekdal

      El Cadiz

    • Vaquera

      hedgebnb

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      3 names:

      Sakura
      Dragonfly
      Fuji

      I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i would watch that

        • gtsix

          Repeatedly

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          A recent photo of me (refresh):

          (I’m kidding – this is the legendary actor Toshiro Mifune, who often worked with Akira Kurosawa – a guy can dream though…)

          • Kim O’Brien

            that is awesome ! Love Kurosawa movies . Did he autograph that for you ?

            However ..the phrase.” turning Japanese ” means something else here in my morally bankrupt country .

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Pic is unfortunately borrowed from the internet. I love Kurosawa as well.

              Turning Japanese quote is from this song:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWWwM2wwMww

            • Kim O’Brien

              yes …i know the song . I also know what ” turning Japanese ” means when he sings it 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              *whispers* he doesn’t know what it means! tehehe

            • Kim O’Brien

              ( heavy sigh sound )

            • flyonthewall

              he’s so innocent and naive. You should corrupt him.

            • Kim O’Brien

              Vaquera has dibs . She will peel him like a grape …then maybe next year HowdyCon will be in Oslo 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              i found rare footage of Johnny Tank on the mic

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXMrDu7374Y

            • Kim O’Brien

              i hate that i still know every single word to that song …and i was not aware of that , until i just LOOKED at the title of the song .

              My parents were hippies …when i ” rebelled ” in jr. high school …i brought home a Devo tape and asked for Izod shirts and stone washed Guess jeans . My parents were completely at a loss . The phase lasted about 6 months …they were very relieved

            • flyonthewall

              nice of them to let you have your phase though. I bet your bangs were like 12in high? Am I close?

            • Kim O’Brien

              i even had the Vans with the black and white checkers . And my bangs were AMAZING by the way . I did not look like an idiot who stuck her finger in a light socket , no matter what my mother claims ( as she was laughing her ass off ) When i took her to see Something About Mary …she said ” KIM ..those are your bangs !! ”

              ( i used hairspray …don’t be gross 😉

            • flyonthewall

              don’t tell anyone but I had a mullet *shame* And for way longer than I should have *double shame*

            • Kim O’Brien

              supportive hug . I feel your shame pain

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Do we get to see the pic? Thought you still had one.

            • flyonthewall
            • Todd Tomorrow

              Too racey for me. “A little boom boom’

            • Vaquera

              I have no idea what “turning Japanese” means, either.
              Off to google.

            • flyonthewall

              oh for christ sake, it means jacking off! smh

            • Draco

              Learn something new every day here

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I would not have guessed that. Should I write up a KR on myself now?

            • flyonthewall

              you and Draco have an excuse I guess bc you’re not American. I’ll let it go this time

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Thank you, sir!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I have the latest version of Windows $cion. Makes KR’s a snap. Even has a data base of all the clams. For instance, Tom Cruise is number 1 but a glitch in the software won’t let you click on him. #422 is Heber. You just type in 422 and it auto-fills most of your KR. For instance, having sexual relations with chicken is #34.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              This will simplify everything.

            • Vaquera

              I’m a sheltered soul.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It does not. It means killing Whales in protected areas and using the $ we sent them for their nuclear power exploison to up their fleet of death boats.

            • flyonthewall

              don’t confuse the poor girl

            • Vaquera

              Too late.

            • Vaquera

              I just googled it.
              I did not need to know that.

            • flyonthewall

              🙂 Why’d you google it, you didn’t trust me? Never mind, silly question

            • Kestrel

              Google provides images.

            • Vaquera

              Just when I think I can hang with the cool crowd, someone comes along and blows my cover.

            • flyonthewall

              aww gimme a break, I never got to be in the cool crowd until I came to the Bunker. I’m still learning how to comport myself

          • Vaquera

            But can he swim with that sword?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Just like me, he was a man of many talents – so I’m guessing he would have no problem with that.

            • Vaquera

              Norwegian lakes are chilly.
              His sword might suffer shrinkage.

              //runs to the corner ball pit//

            • Draco

              Snortle.

      • Ella Raitch

        No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women, no fun, no sin

        Is that really for you Johnny?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I am like an onion – I have many layers (…and I make people cry).

    • gtsix

      Hogpile Hotel

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Well, to stay with this blog’s theme, how ’bout “The Porch of Hedgehog Eternity”?

      Or, “The Hedgehog Super Power building”

      Or, even more simply, “Target 2”

    • *LOL*

    • Sherbet

      Camelot Castle. Oh, wait. I thought that was the REAL Camelot Castle in all its opulence

      • Vaquera

        ^^^^^

      • Juicer77

        Lol!

    • Draco

      Inca Hedgie 1, 2 & 3.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Stonehedge

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    L10 – I suspect that after her visit to FLAG, she realized that she couldn’t retire and continue to shovel piles of money into the CO$ money pit. What a WIN!
    (refresh)

    • jazzlover

      The most interesting sentence to me is “Before L10 I would look at life with a critical eye”. Ironic that she doesn’t realize that she’s now lost the ability to do that.

      • anonsparrow

        I doubt she’s being truthful about that. How can one progress in Scientology and get to the L’s and still have a critical eye?

        Imagine a success story that went like this:

        Until I did L11, I was wary about watching “Going Clear” on HBO. But after completing the level, I felt my universe congeal and my oiliness was through the roof! I finally watched Going Clear and realized what a scam Scientology really was! I never could have done that before doing the rundown. Thank you LRH!

        • jazzlover

          I have no doubt that many of these folks can’t tell fact from fiction. So, I’m guessing that she THINKS she’s telling the truth. But, that’s part of the indoctrination, as they say.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            IMHO, they are forced to say something positive so they just pull something out of their asses to make themselves look good (which to us looks absolutely mental). It is not like anyone in the CO$ is going to question this “my WIN was the best that ever was” BS.

            • jazzlover

              You’re probably right, to a degree. But the brainwashing makes them believe what they’re saying.

            • Kestrel

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yes, she was always trying to be “honest” with herself–in quotes, no less–but obviously, that’s what was holding her back. Much better to put blinders on and pretend it’s all shiny and happy.

        Why do I read these success stories? They just make me mad. And sad. And then mad-sad.

        • jazzlover

          We all get caught up in this stuff. It’s like the accident you just can’t turn away from 🙂

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Having an epiphany about the real state of your finances is indeed a BIG win! It’s just unfortunate that more folks don’t have the cognition that the Bridge is really the Bridge to Total Financial Ruination sooner;)

      • Draco

        It’s a whole lot easier and cheaper to just look at your bank statement…

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    L11 – So, she goes CLEAR and a few days later she realizes the “thing” that makes her feel bad is still there. WTF? I guess going clear isn’t all it is cracked up to be. Buckle up lady, because your pretending isn’t over, it is just shifting into another gear. SMH
    (refresh)

    • jazzlover

      I’m curious – what is this ruin she keeps having cognitions about? The mind is powerful but malleable (as we see everyday by reading here). In other words, what has she been implanted with?

    • Nothing like coming out of a trap, only to find oneself in another trap, even bigger! Ever seen the movie “The Cube” ?

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      “I would ask my husband to pretend”

      ,,, but after he threw out his Superman costume it just wasn’t the same anymore.

    • Draco

      And I can create a beautiful future if I so choose.

      Why wouldn’t you choose that?! Sounds like she’s giving herself a handy way out here, if she doesn’t manage to create that beautiful future. “I didn’t choose to. I decided to stick to the ugly future.”

      SMH

    • Betty

      Wow just part of the last paragraph.It was a pleasure having my own staff member standing by. These are freaky freaky people.

      • Betty

        Even had his flows opened up.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Having one’s flow restricted must be painful.

          • Kestrel

            They have a pill for that now.

        • But was he ridgey? Banky?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “…handle such a deep, deep insanity and aberration..”

      Hang on, sister, ’cause you ain’t seen nothing yet!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Wait, she attested to clear, but it turned out she still had some deep-seated problem. Which means she wasn’t really clear. But now it’s all good because Ls. You know, even by scientology’s own internal (il)logic, their tech is a mess.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, they are so delusional that they can’t see she is basically admitting that the state of clear is a fraud because even after going clear she was still f-d up. Amazing!

  • Graham Berry

    Congratulations to my fellow warrior. Finally the system worked, but long after it should have.The trial court lacked jurisdiction to even hear the case and then enforced a covenant not to sue the church, and which is forbidden under the rules of legal ethics. It is a great example of the church’s policies and practices of Fair Game in action. But Ken keeps on swinging and hopefully will continue to do so. Bravo.

    • Thank you for all you do Graham.

      • Draco

        What Dodo said.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          What Draco said Dodo said.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      You are my idol Graham. You’ve helped save AGP and Fred from the evil Moxman.

    • Baby

      You are well respected in these neck of the woods.. We got Justice on our side..and Truth. Best of all we got the best damn Lawyers.. Thank you ..So happy for Ken .. So happy for all critics.. I’m glad for all those

      Our victories are all big ones to us. I burned my bra once for Women’s lib.. and I’m willing to burn the whole dress when DM is where he belongs.. either in Prison or hell. f5

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    L12 – “Infinite thanks to my auditor who so beautifully waved his wand at me and gave me all of this power back.”
    Personally, I put more faith in magic wands than I do in LRH’s “tech”!
    (refresh)

    • Lie number 12 is like, Almost there!

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      “needles to say”

      Drug induced euphoria perhaps.

      • Todd Tomorrow

    • jazzlover

      Coo coo ca-choo

    • Draco

      Waffle waffle yada yada fishpaste.

      Not one concrete “This is what I used to be able to do, and this is what I now can do and have done.”

      Same old same old nothing. Ness.

    • Kim O’Brien

      that makes me sad …but also makes me want to pull off my own arm just so i have something to beat them with .

    • Harpoona Frittata

      It sounds like just another overly effusive and cringe-worthy success story, but this one is ethics bait! Notice, she ONLY doubled her love for the state of OT.

      Even new Kazakhstani Sea Orgy recruits knows that it’s always, always, ALWAYS 10X everything!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I honestly worry about people who come off the Ls. Those rundowns seem like a particularly nasty flavor of mind-fuckery. The Ls success stories make me cringe more than usual. But I can’t lie, “needles to say” made me snortle.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Lemme guess, the “Mother Plane” looks just like a DC-8…
    (refresh)

      • jazzlover

        Yikes!

    • jazzlover

      Sounds like she’s quoting directly from “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button” 😉

    • April

      The very definition of insanity.

    • Great recruitment strategy.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        IDK, Hubbard wasn’t very successful in getting his “Youth virality and abilities” back from his own technology, now was he? This guy must not have seen photos of the older LRH. He is going to be in for an unpleasant surprise.

    • Draco

      Oy… even nuttier than the Ls success stories.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Whoa, shit fuzzy, these NOI cretins are every bit as whack as any Hubbardian that I’ve ever known, maybe even more so!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        This Facebook post is from a couple of weeks ago. It is LONG but the ending of this clam/NOI conversation is worth it!
        (refresh)

        • Ohh dear! I think they will burn Mr. Miscavige some day!

          • I never thought that a bunch of genteel would-be satanists could come off well with the NOI. Just wait until Ethics starts rearing its ugly head.

            • He he.. that’s right.. History will repeat itself

  • I have never!!! F5

    • flyonthewall

      it’s something for everyone!

    • Why? Why?!

      • This is why you never should kiss a frog!

        • I reported you to Elders of Internet for a misleading gif.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    This clam wants to be sponsored to be a tattoo artist. But he doesn’t want to do an apprenticeship. Good luck with that! Unless he has some special OT tattoo powers, LA county isn’t going to license a newbie tattoo artist to tattoo in their kitchen! https://www.gofundme.com/2k37tjmw

    “This isnt about me starting a career in some shop down the road. This is for the people who say to me, ‘I want you to tattoo me.’ Well, ok if you want me to tattoo you so bad, I will!”

    • jazzlover

      Tattoo me? Tattoo you:

    • Needless to support him

      • jazzlover

        You sure you didn’t mean “needles” 😉

    • Observer

      And look who donated! O.o

      refresh

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Do you reckon there was a hidden tramp stamp in that infamous photo? :O

        • Observer

          If there wasn’t, there will be!

        • jazzlover

          LOL. Butterflies and rainbows, no doubt.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            How about “The Way to Happiness” logo? When I used to search for social media photos with the hashtag #waytohappiness it would inevitably result in an ass load of bootie pics! 😉

            • jazzlover

              That works too, but in ways the bearers of such logos weren’t counting on.

    • Juicer77

      I see what you did there. Lol
      This Yahoo prob wouldn’t know how to sterilize anything, either. Ugh.

    • Ella Raitch

      Do Scientologists believe in blood borne viruses? They probably smoke to protect themselves from that stuff.

  • Observer

    Mr. Observer just now: [irritated] It’s more humid than five bastards in here!

    • What’sup

      Give him a large quantity of Niacin and read him the way to happiness.

  • anonsparrow

    i hoped you all liked the Joe Rogan experience with Louis Theroux.

    Here’s another one that touches upon DMT (illegal drug in the USA) wherein Joe does what he always does and maintains his respectful place.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XMpOhqqO4PE

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Edwards Air Force Base? WTF???
    “We will be doing more things with the USAF as it is an important aspect to the story.”
    (refresh)

    • jazzlover

      That’s Phil’s son-in-law who is doing the tweeting. Unbeknownst to him, the Air Force is planning to blast all evidence of Battlefield Earth into outer space 🙂

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, I know. Their bed must be crowded. I think Terl is with them 24/7

        • jazzlover

          LOL. I may need some eye bleach after reading this.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I’m trying to forget that the Air Force is apperantly letting the CO$ onbase to promote Battlefield Earth! GAH!

            • jazzlover

              One good cult deserves another.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Real heroes vs fake heroes? I’ll take the USAF over the CO$ any day!

            • jazzlover

              I certainly don’t mean to offend you (or anybody else). I have real respect for those that have served and those that have made the ultimate sacrifice. When I see how those who have somehow survived are treated (look at the state of the VA, for instance), I become skeptical of the overall intentions and get a little pissed in the process.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Yeah, I agree with that.

  • anonsparrow

    Hey where did you go?

  • anonsparrow

    Someone somewhere made a political post just a moment ago. And now it’s gone.

    Where is it?

  • anonsparrow

    Hey Scott Pilutik.. you’re not deleting comments are you? (I hope not!)

    • flyonthewall

      maybe the comment fairy took it?

  • anonsparrow

    I feel like the bunker is dead. Is there anyone here at all?

    • Nope. We don’t post around this time.

      • anonsparrow

        Well thanks for that dodo..

    • April

      I’m definitely not here. My dog likes to post on my behalf. On the internet, no one knows you’re a dog.
      *woof*

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I do miss Media Lush’s late hour posts 🙁

      • OOkpik

        You do a pretty fine job yourself coming up with interesting posts and often obscure information. I have enjoyed your contributions and always look forward to more. 🙂

    • Puppydrum

      Bangkok, checking in. Yeah. I’m not getting my morning “fix.”

      • anonsparrow

        thank you bangkok!

  • anonsparrow

    I’ve come to understand that the Bunker is predominantly pro-Hillary…

    Is that your understanding DoDo?

    • jazzlover

      What are ya doin?

      • anonsparrow

        Nothing.. I’m just asking JazzLover.. I like all your efforts to take down Scientology.

        • jazzlover

          I saw you ask this like 6 times last night despite no response. Maybe it’s time to reconsider?

          • anonsparrow

            yeah I guess. what did i ask 6 times?

            • jazzlover

              Seriously?

            • anonsparrow

              I was pretty drunk. I’m just asking if it was really 6 times or if you were exaggerating.

            • anonsparrow

              Hey Jazzlover… what’s up? What did I ask 6 times last night?

            • anonsparrow

              Oh cmon.. you were typing something.. no?

            • jazzlover

              I wasn’t exaggerating. You seem like a good guy, Brian. What you’ve done has taken guts. But, we all know what we’re faced with during this election cycle, and this isn’t really a political blog. If you ask people to divulge their choices, and they choose not to do that, it’s probably best to assume that they don’t want to.

            • anonsparrow

              Not bad.

            • jazzlover

              Ask me a question, and if I answer, you’ll get an honest answer. I don’t do “calculated”.

            • anonsparrow

              Did I say calculated? Sorry jazz. Sorry to get so worked up.

            • jazzlover

              “Not bad” implies that you think I scripted what I said with agenda. I have no agenda. As I said, politics aren’t exactly happiness-inducing these days. I share your frustration. But, there are many here who have voiced the desire to keep this a politics-free zone.

            • anonsparrow

              Ok I agree jazzlover. Where do you live out of curiosity but obviously don’t have to answer.

            • jazzlover

              Why? You wanna send one of your anon buds after me? 🙂

            • anonsparrow

              Yeah to give you a hug and that’s all.. bosom buddy! 🙂

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Please don’t post drunk.

            • anonsparrow

              So just say “ok i’m sorry to exaggerate”.. but you can’t?

            • anonsparrow

              Yes seriously. What say you?

            • jazzlover

              See my other reply.

    • flyonthewall

      we are Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. To the core.

      • April

        I’m more of a Stalinist myself.

      • iampissed

        What’s that

    • The Bunker consists of many. Personally, I don’t give a shit, because I don’t trust politicians of any kind.

      • anonsparrow

        Same here. All a bunch of sell-outs and I feel bad for the people that believe in them. Even though I occasionally write something like this and call them dumb-asses.

        I don’t mean to be disrespectful because I really do love people in general, but for fuck’s sake, wake the fuck up already please.

        TY DD.

        • Kim O’Brien

          from someone who was in a cult for years . I just love it when you guys get out into the real world and then pontificate about stuff and say things like ” Wake up people ” . It’s always just so …i dunno …blank

          Irony is my favorite thing in the world .

          • anonsparrow

            I was in a cult for years also. But regardless… the US political system is in serious trouble from what I can tell. I’m not trying to be a jerk.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i was never in . And people out here are pretty fucking awake . Shitting on us because we don’t want DONALD FUCKING TRUMP to be elected President ..is not a surprise . You belonged to a cult that has something as inhumane and horrid as the Tone Scale . And you defended it , rationalized it , and then wanted to hang on to it . I don’t take shit from anyone who did that .Trumps values are the Tone Scale in a suit . So yeah …fuck you .

            • anonsparrow

              Kim I’m not a Trump supporter. I’m sorry for coming across as such a douchebag.

              But I will say say this. . Hiillary Clinton is a liar and deceiver – as is Trump. Anyway, sorry. We’ll all deal with the fallout.

              Awesome example though for you to think that I’m Pro-Trump because of my comments! I’m sure the establishment loves you to death.

              Throw all the politicians away in the trash – thanks.

            • Kim O’Brien

              yeah …bitch and bitch and bitch . Don’t actually get INVOLVED at the local level or anything …just bitch . Great insight …thanks

          • flyonthewall

            sparrow was a pretty infamous anon and was only in for a short time

            • anonsparrow

              1997-2004. I was only in the official church for the first 3 years. After that it was free zone. After that I got out.

            • flyonthewall

              really 7yrs? I didn’t know it was that long, I’m sorry. From what I remember of your vids I got the impression you were only in for a short time, my bad.

            • anonsparrow

              yeah after 9/11 i got back involved with the official church thinking this was the way to handle islamist extremism..lol.. wrong. anyway.. i left the official church and tried it again outside the auspices.

              i can safely say it’s all bunk. you’re welcome.. 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              just don’t try any of that Hubbard voodoo on me, I’ll know if you do!

            • anonsparrow

              dude whatever is true for you is true.. that’s a fact confirmed by CNNN

            • anonsparrow

              also thanks buddy… like i said, i’m not trying to be a jerk.

            • flyonthewall

              all good, i didnt take it as being jerky

        • “I really do love people in general”.

          Me too. Welcome, brother. Thank you.

          • flyonthewall

            i hate people but i love gatherings

            • iampissed

              Not going there…I’m already in trouble with the fly

            • flyonthewall

              you are?

            • iampissed

              Ya your kid…something about movies…am I forgiven

            • flyonthewall

              oh right right, I’m sorry about that

            • iampissed

              SO AM I…yes caps on

            • Frodis73

              iswydt!

            • flyonthewall

              no time for love Dr. Jones!

        • Robert Eckert

          “I really do love people in general” Just not in particular?
          http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MZGkC3rm3Po/UGumITauE3I/AAAAAAAAMZ8/Sws2YESOutk/s1600/mankind.jpg

    • Ella Raitch

      Maybe anti-Trump is a more accurate designation JMO

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am hoping that we can stay away form politics on the Bunker!

  • anonsparrow

    I won’t be voting this year I don’t think. Can’t bring myself to vote for either criminal.

    Tried it with Obama. I thought the fact that he admitted doing cocaine was a turn of the corner for a politician..HA! Shame on me.

    • iampissed

      That’s ok

    • flyonthewall

      you can do a write in. My mom use to tell me that in Yugoslavia in the old days there would be only one person on the ballot so people would write in Mickey Mouse and other ridiculous names. They were scolded for not taking the process seriously.

      • iampissed

        I’ve touted four years of no one…and let’s just see if we can get along.
        Don’t think it’s happening..but it is a thought.

        • anonsparrow

          Yep. Everything has to a conflict of some sort.. Republican, Democrat, ad nauseum.

          The system does not work. Can we please try loving unconditionally? K thanks.

          • iampissed

            “Has to have a conflict of some sort” Yes that is the way it works.
            In some places it’s called ying and yang. I’m sure others have another
            names…would love to hear them.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Hilary has my state which happens to be the third largest economy. She may not be exactly perfect but I’ve yet seen her poke fun at the handicapped. Oh and then he raped his wife which he did not deny in his divorce. But his lawyer’s came out and said that “back then it wasn’t against the law to rape your spouse.”

        • iampissed

          And only a thought

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      You can vote for a third party candidate or simply write in the name of a candidate that you wish were on the ballot, but unfortunately is not. The purpose of voting is to exercise your right to vote for the candidate of your choice, regardless if they win or not. If more people voted this way I don’t think we would have ended up with the horrific choices we have this year.

      • anonsparrow

        So let’s not vote at all Walrus. I’ll not do it if you do.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I am going to vote for the candidate I voted for in the primary. The only difference is that this time, I will have to write in his name. There is no way I would ever vote for Trump or Hillary.

          • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

            Better right it out so you don’t make any miss steaks at the voting booth.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              WTF is that supposed to mean?

            • flyonthewall

              he is poking fun bc you said right instead of write

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Fixed, thx

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              Better right(write) it out so you don’t make any miss steaks(mistakes) at the voting booth.

          • Robert Eckert

            You are voting for a slate of electors. If there is no slate of electors associated with the name you write in, you have not actually done anything, and should not have wasted the energy to go to the polling place.
            This is why the right wing owns America. The rightists understand voting to be a practical exercise in obtaining as much power as possible. The leftists think it is some individually expressive kind of performance art.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              The state I live in will overwhelmingly vote for a Democrat for president . My vote will not matter one iota to either presidential candidate. My vote will matter only to me. In the primary I chose to cast a vote for a candidate I could be proud of, and did. I have voted in every presidential election since I became eligible to vote and unfortunately more often than not, I voted against one candidate instead of for the other candidate. I promised myself earlier this year, that I would no longer do that. I am happy to vote for a write-in candidate (or even a third party candidate).

              I don’t criticize anyone for who they vote for, or against in this sh#tshow of an election but I will not vote for Trump or Hillary. I’m not a leftist, rightist, nor a performance artist, just a citizen who thinks this country deserves far better than this. And I have energy to burn 🙂

        • Puppydrum

          O/T: Try explaining this mess to a bunch of University students in China? I will be back in a couple of days and still don’t know what to say. My texts have been off the radar.
          Congrats to Dandar.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            When you come up with an explanation let me know, too! 🙂

            • Puppydrum

              Yep. Truly embarrassing. I’ll figure something out in a flag waiving sort of way, but I don’t like being a representative of someplace that the world is laughing at. Ugh.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          What I hate about voting in the US. Say they have something on the ballot that says we will put new stoplights on every corner. Well I think that sounds cute so then you have to VOTE NO, if you want the street lights on every corner.

  • InClearwater

    Congratulations, Ken! It should have happened long ago, but thank Meepthorp it finally did. Wish Susan Schaeffer was still here to read this news. 😉

    • iampissed

      Well made to about 1/3 on Meepthorp…not to bad

  • iampissed

    To Mr Dandar = Pass. To Mr Miscavage = Fail

    • flyonthewall

      there’s a quiz today!! Oh crap, can I borrow a pencil??

      • iampissed

        Tomorrow is Thursday

  • Todd Tomorrow

    A friend at work said that Joe posed naked. So don’t put his name in google with nude after it. Oh and don’t hit the images button.

  • Observer

    ..

    • Ella Raitch

      Aaah – a foodie after my own heart

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I thought you baked it. This fry job looks bad on the heart.

    • flyonthewall

      too fancy for me! Am I suppose to eat it or look at it?

      • Observer

        Something about bones, apps and teeth. I dunno.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Cyberbully for President in 2020!
      Make America Grate Again!

  • flyonthewall

    Listening to Heber on Art Bell from link posted yesterday. I gotta ask, do you think Heber ever got tired of fucking lying with every breath he could muster? I mean, wouldn’t it have gotten old after awhile? Like, fuck I’ve been lying constantly non-stop for like 1,2,3…a whole shit ton of years now. Geez maybe I should just shut the fuck up and stop being such a god damn lying asshole cult tool for just a little while at least. I mean this is getting kinda ridiculous for real.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      link? And no I think they never tire. Would you if you knew “every inch” of everybody?

      • iampissed

        That would be my wife…and it’s not pretty

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Ah Ha HaHa. No you would know everybody.

          • iampissed

            Don’t wish to…that’s someone else’s problem

            • I lost a lot of women to scientology, just give her the way to happiness

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Seriously, that sucks. Did you lose you in the cult for long?

            • I found myself on the way out. DMEXIT

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      How about that Jesus bit? Clams believe Jesus is the son of God? I got chills when he told of having to rush his son to the hospital with breathing problems (from malathion supposedly) 🙁

      • flyonthewall

        Yeah that was pretty precious. I’m sure he meant to say that that’s what the R6 implant is meant to have you believe. An easy mistake.

        I didn’t get to the part w/his son or I missed it, 1hr17m of Heber is a lot of Heber to take 🙂

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Here you go. Interesting that he said there were 7 million clams (in 1994). That is not much expansion to get to their touted 8 million clams in 2004. He was deep into anti-government conspiracy theories and even cited the “American Psychological Assoc”, if I remember correctly, to back up the claims. HA!
          https://youtu.be/AwKXBLn2xnY?t=40m15s

    • Kim O’Brien

      he comes across to me as a really mean and horrible person . The interview he did with Phil Donahue years ago was just terrifying .

      He had shark eyes

      • flyonthewall

        yes for sure, I know the one. There is a recording of him on some radio show where Dennis Ehrlich calls in and Heber completely loses his shit and starts screaming like a straight maniac.

        Some people talk about oh Heber was so nice and reasonable, he only lost his cool under pressure from Miscavige. And? So he’s a good guy bc he puts a nice shiny veneer on one of the most evil destructive cults ever? Seriously? He’s a predator that dedicated his entire being to putting a nice benevolent face on an organization he knew to be very very greedy, ruthless, cruel and vindictive. Fuck him

        • gtsix

          You mean this one: http://www.xenutv.com/radio/kfi-91.htm

          Cuz that show recording was HILARIOUS. Heber kept screaming to get try to drown out Erlich discussing excorcism (basically the OT levels).

          Heber: “You love drugs don’t you, Dennis?. That’s right isn’t
          it Dennis. You love drugs! . . . Are you on drugs now Dennis?
          Tell us are you on drugs?”

          But dude, it’s scientology. Mike Rinder was not much different when he took over for Heber. Seriously, we go on about Tommy D … but he was just doing what scientology does. Ruins people, if they don’t get out.

          • flyonthewall

            that’s the one

    • Len Zinberg

      I saw Heber when he was newly in Scn; he was a long-haired hippie and played guitar and sang. Scientology, especially the G.O. training he received produced the lying cult tool which he became.

      • Kim O’Brien

        waving hi ! looking forward to seeing you here next year ! I can take you to a hidden refuge here in the city that is a reserve . Nice walks with deer , elk , bald eagles , hawks , and even a herd of buffalo . Petrichor 🙂

        • Len Zinberg

          In, I think, ’67, I saw The Doors in Denver. The Family Dog; before your time.
          Bill had a ’66 Mustang and…tomorrow is move-in day for my daughter, and it’s past my bedtime…talk later.
          But, I’ll bring my hiking shoes:)

  • anonsparrow

    bon appetite?

    That’s some fine looking corn bread.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Always a pleasure to see you. You Sp you!

      • anonsparrow

        Thanks OSA! 🙂

        • Todd Tomorrow

          It’s GoMosa.

          • anonsparrow

            You’re OSA Todd. Game Over.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Finally you got me. I have eyes all around like a potato.

            • anonsparrow

              yep

            • anonsparrow

              Looking for some kind of a comeback Todd

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Jesus, who pissed in your cornflakes. I nodded off.

            • anonsparrow

              How’s that money? Awesome right?!

              Fuck yeah.. Money is EVERYHTING

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’ve been doing ok, I guess. But everything around me seems to get more expensive. How’s your financial flow?

            • anonsparrow

              Where’d ya go?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              nodded off but I’m back.

            • Kim O’Brien
            • anonsparrow

              Sorry Todd. I know you’re now OSA but I wasn’t certain.

              Needed to feel you out.

            • anonsparrow

              I meant not, not now.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Why because I’m gay?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’m a light blue collar criminal and a compulsive gambler. I wouldn’t pass their corporate piss test.

    • iampissed

      Pic please

    • Baby

      I painted this years ago..and added Typography.. I love it.. and it is in my kitchen.. f5 OOPS all my paintings are every ones.. feel free to print.. etc..

      • No… it is on my screen! Doh!

        • Baby

          Awww. I put brick behind it too Dice..

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Well done sweet pants!

        • Baby

          hahhaha I read this as ” Sweat Pants..” xoxox thanks boo

  • I think DM should consider that XENU came first 75.000.000 years ago!

    • jazzlover

      What’s a few zeroes between friends 🙂

      • yeah! it’s just 75 Sea org contracts – no biggie

        • jazzlover

          If they were smart, they would have made the term infinity. Too bad those old typewriters didn’t have an infinity key 😉

          • infinity key – i like the sound of that… Off to the Patent office…!

            • jazzlover

              Watch out, though. I hear if you hit it too many times, you have an overwhelming desire to cognite.

            • you mean ignite? So that’s how black holes turns into white dwarfs!

            • jazzlover

              Spontaneous combustion 🙂

            • I hate when that happens! Damn.

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          actually, it’s only 7.5% of the way through ONE Sea Org contract. They sign for a billion years, and as I explained to my second grader the other day, a billion is a thousand million. . .

          • depends on how one counts them.

            • Commodore H. McCringleberry

              A good point. As they are totally lacking in a mechanism that should be essential to their doctrine- i.e. the ability to recognize a single thetan from one meat body to the next- I suppose that even to honor the terms of the contract, one would have to sign multiple contracts. I wonder if Hubbard (if he was truly smoking what he grew) ever thought of that and had a good chuckle at the catch-22 of constantly renewing contracts of service. They’ve been around long enough now to have a sufficient number of deceases Sea Org member that, even considering the supposed 21 year hiatus supposedly awarded on the dropping of a body, someone should have shown up for work again by now. . .

  • randomity

    By the way, the original settlement is online:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/117695474/Scientology-lawsuit-Dandar-vs-Scientology-McPherson-Confidential-Settlement-Agreement
    It may be nuts, but Ken did sign it.

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, he signed as counsel to his client, the McPherson family. And the document specifically says that the “parties” to the agreement would not sue Scientology again.

      And Dandar repeatedly pointed out that as counsel, he was not a “party” to the lawsuit, only representing a party.

      Judge Farnell disagreed. But if Scientology files a new lawsuit, they’d have to argue this again, and possibly to a jury. It would be tougher to get the same ruling.

      • Baby

        f5

        • randomity

          Do you not have a graphic for splitting hairs?

          Tony,

          At the top of the settlement, isn’t Dandar clearly named as one of the parties?

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            No, “the parties who have engaged in disputes.. and their counsel” – he is counsel, not party,

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I was wondering about just that point. I couldn’t imagine a competent attorney ever agreeing to a settlement agreement clause like that.

        The standard legalese definition of “parties” in civil cases such as this one is a technical one referring to the plaintiff(s) and defendant(s) in the case http://thelawdictionary.org/party/

        This seems like a gross MU on the part of the judge who made the ruling that Dandar was in violation.

        And even with that aside, unless Dandar personally sued the cherch, he would not be in violation of that agreement by representing another client who was plaintiff in separate case against the cherch. Attorneys represent the defendants and plaintiffs in civil court actions but are not themselves a party to it. So it’s plaintiff(s) who are doing the actual suing in the technical legal sense that matters here.

        The logic behind having a clause in a settlement agreement that prohibits the plaintiff from filing suit against the defendant again makes perfect sense. But the idea that such an agreement would have anything to do with someone who was not a party to the suit makes none at all, especially when it comes to $cn which has a consistent track record of going after lawyers, government officials and private citizens in order to harass and destroy them.

        Signing away any future right to sue the cherch if you’re someone like Dandar is like declaring Fair Game on yourself! No one who’s familiar with the cherch’s ‘killer bee’ nature would ever even consider such a thing.

        I’m so glad that the cherch was unable to prevail here.

        • Keep in mind that Judge Robert Beach‎, last of a rotation of judges on the civil case, was determined to force a settlement, and had already removed Ken Dandar as the attorney.

          Perhaps he felt at the time that it was best for his client for him to sign, knowing that the restriction should be unenforceable?

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Perhaps, but knowing $cn’s penchant for N. Korea style vengeance (three successive generations of an offender’s family can also be punished for his crimes), that would be a very risky move indeed.

            If he’s not gagged by the court concerning the matter, it would be great to hear from him directly on it.

      • aquaclara

        And as one who lived in Clearwater and went to school with one of the Crockett Farnells in the family, located right across and next door to all the Scientology influence, I will say that Dandar was swimming upstream all by himself.

        I hate thinking Judge Farnell was bought. But I believe the evidence is there that that judge was on the side of the cult.

        The Farnells-all of them-know better. They know what I know, plus much, much more. So to sell out is to set a new low. I am horrified. What the hell happened to our judiciary? Well, once you sign a deal with the devil…….

        • beauty for ashes

          It’s moments like these I really miss Alison Hope Weiner and Lip TV.

  • Observer
    • Kim O’Brien

      Robin Williams said ..

      ” There are no such things as lesbians . Just women with comfortable shoes “

      • Ella Raitch

        I’m doing Mary Poppins at the moment, and there is a line in “Practically Perfect” where she talks about her sensible shoes – which gives me a great giggle considering the otherwise conservative nature of the company.

    • Jimmy3

      I’ve finally been convinced to eat my vegetables.

      • The first farmer was Cain, and he was vegetarian murderer, just like Hitler. QED!

        • April

          And don’t even get me started on dihydrogen monoxide. Everyone who drinks it will die, yet we wash our vegetables with it!

    • Liberated

      God, I hate that guy.

      • beauty for ashes

        his head is like HUGE.

    • What’sup

      American politics confuses me. Your lesbians are democrats? I thought they loved Bush.

      • gtsix

        Go home ‘sup, you’re drunk!

  • Liberated

    Aaron Paul is on Jimmy Fallon, he was talking about Cruise and his charming ” laugh “.
    Funny.

    • Ella Raitch

      Even more reasons to love Aaron Paul xxx

      • Liberated

        I know, isn’t he great?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        So many, and he’s pocket sized. I adore him. ; )

        • Ella Raitch

          Oooh like a collectible

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I wouldn’t mind finding him in my Happy Meal. ; )

  • beauty for ashes

    It’s this video from Youtube. “Kitten academy” Not sure what they are training then for, but give the orange one a tray of cilantro and BAM! you got salsa. You’ll see what I mean.:)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc38V1PjdSk

    • Juicer77

      XD. My cat still does this. In a mirror. Weird.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        One of mine does, too. But only at 4am. Because of course.

      • beauty for ashes

        Does your cat get incensed when you are laughing at it?
        PS. this vid made me wish I was technically adept at film editing. Because I really could see so many funny situations to put that little orange kitteh in. Like as a sous chef on Iron Chef? ;0

  • Jimmy3

    Damn, I’m 15 minutes late to it, but the Law & Order episode based on Scientology is on the ION channel right now.

    • Qbird

      J3Xs… what is the name of that episode?

      • Jimmy3

        “Bogeyman”

        The cult in the episode is called Systemotics!

        • Qbird

          gotcha fine there. tks. will look it up.

    • beauty for ashes

      Thanks, love Anthony Anderson. Oo oo, is that a dianetics sign ? no systemotics. definitely like neurotology better for a fake name.

      • Jimmy3

        A second opinion would be too much trouble, and no matter what the truth is , Systemotics would be blamed. Just let it go, ok?

        • beauty for ashes

          Those people have done everything for me, you don’t understand.

          • Jimmy3

            May your piece be with us.

            • beauty for ashes

              “We don’t murder anyone, no matter what you read on the internet”

  • Butch came through is hip replacement with flying colors. The recovery will be a challenge, but I think he’s up for it. Thanks for your kind wishes. I watched the Rogan interview during Butch’s surgery (a great distraction) and it’s really a good interview for the most part. While I love Theroux’s mind, I think Rogan’s not such a great thinker. His switching from an “all drugs bad” approach to mental illness to suggesting that if there were a drug that would do away with negativity seems a bit contradictory. He’s always seemed to be quite credulous when it comes to all manner of woo, but then again, so was I once upon a time.

    • beauty for ashes

      Yeah! Is Butch a human or animal companion? I know I’m pretty dense sometimes!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Butch Pansy, a good man and a rare Bunker poster – I met him with Artoo45 at the theater showing of Going Clear.

        • beauty for ashes

          Oh okay! Thanks. DERP!

      • Human, but part moose.

        • Anonymouse

          Which part is moose? Never mind, I’ll get my coat…

          • Don’t ask. Don’t tell.

        • beauty for ashes

          The lovable part, not the weird shedding part of course!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh my, Artoo45, please give Butch my best wishes. I did not know this was planned – I must have missed it. Tell him I am thinking of him. And when Theroux’s movie comes to the US in January he will be all healed up and we can all watch it together!

    • Baby

      I am so glad that Butch has a friend like you Artoo.. xo

    • Juicer77

      Hooray! Let the healing begin!

    • gtsix

      Yea Butch!

  • Len Zinberg

    Steven Mango, whom many of you know, was assaulted while protesting outside of a Scientology property on Hollywood B’lvd earlier tonite. The LAPD has responded to his complaint. Further details are posted on his Facebook page.

    • Baby

      OMG.. Thanks Len.. I hate this cult more and more each day.

    • Baby

      Shoot I went to his Facebook page and didn’t see anything.. unless he has more than one FB account.

      I hope he is OK Len..

    • Juicer77

      🙁 Hope he is okay.

    • Graham

      No entry since 10 Feb 2014?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Maybe it is a private post that only his Facebook friends can see.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh no, I am so sorry to hear this.

  • BosonStark

    I like Joe Rogan, because he interviews some very smart people — nutritionist researcher Rhonda Patrick, cognitive scientist/writer Sam Harris — and lets them talk for hours. Even if you don’t like him because of his interview with Louis, look though the list of other people he talks to on YouTube.