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APPEALS COURT STRIKES SCIENTOLOGY’S $1 MILLION JUDGMENT AGAINST KEN DANDAR

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In a unanimous decision, a three-justice panel of the Florida 2nd District Court of Appeals has struck down a $1 million judgment Scientology had won against attorney Ken Dandar.

“What a great day! I am thankful for all who kept me in their prayers and supported me. The court agreed with us 100 percent,” Dandar tells us.

The state appeals court found that a court in Pinellas County that had assigned that judgment against Dandar didn’t have the authority to do so. Scientology had asked for the judgment based on litigation that was concluded long ago — the civil lawsuit filed by the family of Lisa McPherson against the Church of Scientology, which Dandar helped settle in 2004. Scientology claimed that in that settlement, Dandar had promised never again to represent a client against the church.

But later, Dandar represented a woman named Victoria Britton, who was suing the church over the death of her son, Kyle Brennan. Scientology went back into court on the McPherson matter, saying that Dandar was in violation of the 2004 settlement for representing a new case against the church, and the court agreed, saddling Dandar with the huge judgment.

But now the state court of appeals says the Pinellas court should not have awarded damages in litigation that “previously dismissed its cause of action with prejudice.” So it has wiped out the judgment and has ordered the Pinellas court to dismiss the matter.

It’s a total victory for Dandar and it’s unanimous. Wow.

We’re still examining the document, and we’re looking forward to your thoughts on it…

 

Dandar vs. Scientology: Appeal Order

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 2, 2016 at 12:00

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  • Mark Foster

    If you have not read this post by J. Augustine, I urge you to read it and then tweet/share the link with as many people as possible. The subject matter of the blog adds more context to today’s news:
    http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/11/12/the-nine-key-principles-of-scientology/

  • RK

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yay for Ken Dandar! Church lawyers are feeling the pinch similar to requiring former Scientologists to participate in the Church’s process for getting a refund, but then not allowing former Scientologists to have standing to participate in the Church’s process for getting a refund.

    • RK

      I wonder when the Church will refund the money that it has collected so far.

      • RK

        I wonder about all of those documents signed by people as they left the Sea Org and were given money. If these settlements were not filed with a Court, would they then not be enforceable by a Court?

        • aquaclara

          Ooooh, this could be interesting.

  • nottrue

    No E-meter needed…Blew a million dollar Charge

  • aquaclara

    I love that Tony provides the links to the cases. My legal terminology has improved immensely since hanging around here. And most important, we can see WINNING when it’s happening.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      So true and me too. Tony is just the BEST!

  • Yesterday a United Kingdom watchdog body found fraud and deception.
    The Guardian reported it::
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/mar/02/watchdog-bans-church-scientology-tv-ad-misleading

    I was informed that Federal Trade Commission voiced that if a bunch of us
    file a complaint against the Church of Scientology for fraud and deceptive
    practices โ€“ the FTC would go after them.

    For YEARS the Scientology Inc ploy is to turn in targets and critics and
    Exes to Government agencies for arrest and other hassles. How Karmic it is that
    in this day and age, people seek to turn the CULT into Government agencies.

    • skiesareblue

      “The figure is unclear”……well that’s one way of putting it. LOL !!!

    • Ella Raitch

      Karen – were you aware that this action was started by our UK Bunkerites (Once_Born coordinating the action)?

      • Yes Ella. High praise and salutations to Once-Born and UK Bunkerites. Two thumbs up !

      • The work done by Once Born is praiseworthy, regardless ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Ella Raitch

          Agreed – and I told him so on the next post as he was being all humble….

  • Baby

    hahaha.. f5

    • Kay

      Laugh !

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hilarious!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Love it Baby!

    • villagedianne

      Show me a fucking clear dog.

      • Royce Harlow

        My dog’s communication skills are better than the average scientologists.

  • Kay

    Go Team Dandar !

  • Mockingbird

    This is great news as Scientology’s policy of ruining people utterly gets stopped. It really relies on intimidating people by making examples out of anyone that dares to stand up to the cult. You know, just like every ethical and elite group does.

    Every court case that Scientology loses adds up. The full effect of all these together is very good. Eventually a judge may bring all the skeletons out of the closet and end the charade.

  • Mark Foster
  • Sejanus

    Suck it $cientology!

  • Howard Roark

    This is great news indeed considering the long term ‘McPherson’ up til
    now with everything in between bogus Miscavige world accounts. And
    congratulations to Ken Dandar for personally having the “nervous system”
    fortitude to stand up to it all. A warrior in objective verified truth
    often time sits alone with the fact under what can be multifarious
    ‘Camp’ biased fire, maybe now and then even feeling nobody cares when
    the bogus shrapnel hits from any quarter, but the truth WILLS out in the
    end as the wash that leaves no bogus account left unsettled whether
    original perpetrators are brought to justice or not. Ken, drinks are on
    me..

    Z-blade

    • Jimmy3

      Z-blade? That’s a Biblical name, right? Like Saint Z-Blade?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Saint Z-Blade? I like that. Does he play cornerback or free safety? We’re hurtin’ down here Jimmy!! ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Jimmy3

          What happened to one of da hardest hittin safeties in da league doe????
          *Googles*…

          ohh…. Sorry…

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Ouch. IKR?? WTF??

            That bastard has literally been banished from the football language down here. Proof once again that you can have talent and be an epic piece of shit.

      • Lucille Austero

        I thought it was Sister Z-Blade.

      • Howard Roark

        No. I posted under that name as long form (Zorrosblade) near every day on the Google/Groups “Usenet” ARS (alt.religion.scientology) for over 10 years. My friends, know who I am. And with this in mind, I wish Zinjifar (Joe Lynn) and Barb at the very least god speed .. in all life endeavors, with dedication to Ida Camburn as the matriarch having passed. I know who they are, and, they know who I am. And, in the end, that’s all that matters. It’s called, love, and, respect, from works done, even if long past.

        ..Z

        • flyonthewall

          i thought it was a cross b/w Zorro and Blade, I was close. So close

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          We’re just being silly today Howard. No offense meant. Triple post days make us a little crazy. Best to you. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Jimmy3

          I just thought it was an interesting name. That’s all. All the best to you.

        • chukicita

          Thanks for the nod to Mama Ida. Even though I never got to eat one of her Snickerdoodles. They were legendary. And I second your wishes for Zinj and Barbz. ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Mark

    So hard to plan for the financial future these days, especially when you were sort of depending on that windfall… (Refresh mothballs):

    • flyonthewall

      Idk, I bet if CoS did end up winning the judgement and getting the million dollars they would just drive up to Dandar’s house with the cash, set it on his front lawn and burn it right in front of him. Bc they really don’t need the money and that’s just the kind of sadistic thing Miscavige would do.

      • Jimmy3

        I still kinda want to see what 100 million pennies looks like.

        • flyonthewall

          we should take a Bunker field trip to the US Mint one day. Miss Tia will organize it.

          • daisy

            Be careful I may come to that one. Best to plan it in secret. I like looking at money.

            • flyonthewall

              no souvenirs!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
          • Jimmy3

            I don’t know that I trust that, and I’m not about to start counting… fly?

            • flyonthewall

              i can only count to 11, sorry

              I know for sure there are more than 11 pennies

      • Mark

        I don’t reckon mini-Scrooge could bear to do that, when the only meaningful things in his warped world are bank-statements and having money-baths. But if he did set fire to the money, he’d be guilty of defacing currency…

  • One Human

    Have we coined a name for March 2016?

    • SucculentDuck

      March (End The) Madness

      ?

      • jazzlover

        Thanks for the reminder! Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • MarcabExpat

      The Month That Came In Like A Lion And Then Just Kept On Roaring

  • Meepthorp

    The scientology organization goes after lawyers with one purpose in mind- to create a chilling effect and discourage lawyers from representing scientology’s victims. Praise Xenu this time the organization failed utterly and completely.

    It would be nice if each of the times the organization has gone after lawyers in this way were compiled into one neat summary.

    • ze moo

      The pain and uncertainty that Ken Dandar went through will have an effect on the legal profession beyond Florida. The lack of support for Dandar from the Florida Bar in the matter of the no-compete clause is chilling, or at least cooling. The clams got some mileage out of this mess.

      The unanimous decision was a kick to the gonads of the trial judge. Will others notice?

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        I should hope do. Even if in the back rooms.

  • nottrue

    Poor boy…………” Get me my Boombox “

    • Xenu is my Homeboy

      …and you’re down to the last bottle of whisky.

  • $cnMonkeyNut$

    More of the posters where theyโ€™re needed… this time on a certain Gilman Springs Road…*grumbles* โ€œWell itโ€™s not my fault the Proprietor has sprung a three-fer on us today! */grumbles* (Arenโ€™t we the lucky ones ๐Ÿ™‚ )As usual, the posterโ€“and what it is facing the entrance of… but depeding on Disqus, not sure what order theyโ€™ll arrive! Feel free to shout out locations where youโ€™d like to see a poster, and Iโ€™ll see what I can do… (and the Stain Hell series is awaiting the 1900 post ๐Ÿ™‚ )

  • shasha40

    YES !!! They’re getting it !!! Whoo -hoo !!! TICK, TOCK , wee one …

  • Illinoisian

    Pleeeeeze let this be a sign that the justice system is waking up!
    Congratulations, Ken. This is so very good to hear.

  • LeahRocks

    Hooray!!

    • flyonthewall

  • nottrue

    • MarcabExpat

      Not at all hard for me to believe that Maher would be blackmailable.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Wow that’s a huge disappointment! Truly! You’d think after how big GC has been Maher & Co could maybe wear their big boy pants… Just for a bit?!?!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “Luke, I sense a great disturbance in the Farce.”

    http://i.imgur.com/sJ9BTDy.gif
    http://i.imgur.com/ylsc1.gif

    • Robert Eckert

      …as if thousands of clams opened and shut their jaws very rapidly, and gave me a toothache.

      • Ella Raitch

        Robert – is this decision appealable?

        • Robert Eckert

          You get one level of “appeal as of right” (that is the level where Dandar won) and then you can “petition” the state supreme court to hear the case (they do not have to hear it; they can just leave the appeals court decision stand, and mostly they do since they get far more petitions than they can accept in a year). We can take it as a given that Scientology will try to take it to the state supreme court, but I don’t know if we have Florida lawyers here (as we do Texas lawyers) to give us a sense of what the chances are of this particular state supreme court being interested enough in this particular case to take it on.

    • kemist

      I’m just hypnotized by that glass that has got the github logo on it for some reason…

  • flyonthewall

    Did you know Cuba and the US had a billboard spat a few years back? Here is an excerpt from the linked article.

    “The Cuban government put up a billboard to face the American Special Interests Section with the cartoon figure of a revolutionary shouting, in Spanish, to Uncle Sam (though it is not clear the old fellow speaks anything but English): โ€œMr. Imperialist, we have absolutely no fear of you!โ€ Several years later the Special Interests Section installed an electronic billboard to flash its messages, including a famous remark by the comedian George Burns: โ€œHow sad that all the people who would know how to run this country are driving taxis and cutting hair.โ€ The Cuban government then put up poles to fly black flags to obscure the public view of the electronic billboard.Cuban billboards once portrayed President George W. Bush as a vampire and ax murderer. The likeness was not necessarily persuasive. The American electronic billboard subsequently went dark. ”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/12/editorial-cubans-try-to-control-us-embassy-in-hava/

  • Jimmy3

    I’m just glad it worked out for Mr. Dandar. I had this terrible feeling he was going to fire himself right before the decision came in.

    • flyonthewall

      oop that’s a zinger! We got a zinger here guys!!

      • Observer

        Oddly enough, I happen to be eating a Hostess Zinger at this very moment. Refresh for proof.

        • flyonthewall

          it is zinger city up in here!

          • WOW!! SO MUCH ZING!!! CITY FULL!!! CUPS FLOW OVER OF ZING!!!

            • Observer

              And Zingers!

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              That works on a few levels… My 3yo is obsessed w/Hotel Transylvania 1&2 so EVERYtime I hear ZING, I think “aw… Monster love!” But that works too!

        • chukicita

          Jelly of the Mario blanket. And the zinger.

          • flyonthewall

            that caught my eye too

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Oh man… Now I’m craving zingers… And all related hostess-style treats!!! Yum!

    • MarcabExpat
    • flyonthewall

      Here let me try.

      He wouldn’t do that, mostly just mentally ill clients do that

      • Jimmy3

        oop that’s fair game! We got fair game here guys!!!

        • flyonthewall

          awww!! ISWYDT!

    • Qbird

      what’s this? *gasp* *groan w/tail wag* ~ funny J3xs

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        That FACE! I want to smoosh my face into it.

    • EnthralledObserver

      There is a precedent, after all…

  • InClearwater

    Congratulations, Ken! What great news. Beach must be having a fit. Ha ha ha! So happy for you!

    • InClearwater

      Sort of weird to reply to my own post, but here goes. In the civil hearings in the Dell Liebreich case (aunt of Lisa McPherson), Ken Dandar appeared at hearing after hearing after hearing as the lone attorney for the plaintiff. Hearing after hearing after hearing, he faced off with a phalanx of attorneys on behalf of Scientology. Ken held his own. I always deeply admired him for that. He got papered to death. I am sure he got the full onslaught of Fair Game. Then he was forced to take on other counsel (the wonderful Luke Lirot). But, still, that was *forced* upon him. A sweet victory for Ken Dandar today. It’s been a long time coming. Ken Dandar stood up a long time ago, when it was dangerous to do so. He will always stand tall in my eyes.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Absolutely! I’m so happy for him and the justice prevailing.

  • mirele

    Oh, God, I’m just crying. This is the bst outcome possible!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Is it time yet is it time yet is it time yet??!!

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Jimmy3

      What is it about? I know you know. You know everything.

    • Mockingbird

      Where did you get video of me with my chair !!?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Pavarotti and his eyebrows and Lou Reed…I would never have put the three of them together.

      • flyonthewall

        dang it, i can’t find the youtube vid of Liberace and Iggy Pop performing together. This is really gonna bug me

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          You’re kidding me?!

          • flyonthewall

            I was gonna be mean and say no but my stupid conscience wouldn’t let me. Yes, I was kidding

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Dude…I did a Google search for it and everything. Now Google’s gonna be laughing at me.

            • flyonthewall

        • SucculentDuck

          how about Iggy and Queens of the Stone Age?

          • flyonthewall

            lol u said queens

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Since that one is real and makes some sense, it apparently doesn’t belong in this thread.

            • SucculentDuck

              somehow you are correct

          • flyonthewall
        • Science Doc

          It was Iggy and Pat Boone doing a mashup of Search and Destroy and Little Drummer Boy.

          • flyonthewall

            ….

          • Robert Eckert
            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Gail and Dale do make an attractive couple and they did a fine rendition of one of the newer songs.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Holy Meepthorp !

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Actually, it was Iggy and Kylie Minogue doing a cover of The Waitresses “Christmas Wrapping.” (Somebody’s gotta take these things seriously around here, sheesh…)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J31QNoSBTw

            • Science Doc

              I listened to albums by each of them last weekend, and I am not kidding.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Doc, your record collection intrigues me. Be my DJ.

            • Science Doc

              I stream Apple Music. Listening to the Harry Niellson catalog, too. Son of Smilllson rocks.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
            • salin

              This became a party-warmup song with a group of my friends in college. Scream along, have a drink, giggle alot. Oddly the other two warmups (all were retro as this was the early 80s) were ‘Amy’ and ‘Take a Walk on the Wild Side’. No commonality among the songs, except screaming singing tipsy college girls.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I salute this tradition, Salin. Our party warm-up song in college was I Will Survive.

            • flyonthewall

              you were serious!? wow

  • Mockingbird

    Ken Delusion and that Dixslurper fellow will have the last word ! They said – mark my words you shall rue the day !

  • Heh. The directors for COSRECI:

    Massimo Angius
    Francoise Springall
    Richard Wilkins

    The directors for Narconon Trust (UK):

    Massimo Angius
    Richard Wilkins
    Heather Ann Muir

    But Narconon isn’t Scientology, right?

    • Xenu is my Homeboy

      Different people, those names are very common in the UK…

  • EnthralledObserver

    Holy Shit… apparently there IS some common sense still left in this world! Thank Xenu for that!

    Congrats, Mr Dandar… breathe easier now. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Science Doc

    Is there really a third post coming today?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Tony said so, I am on pins and needles…

      • EnthralledObserver

        What, what, what? Another one? Yay!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          He said at 1900 EST – and then!!! After this Dandar bonus he reiterated there would still be a story at 1900 EST. Of course I had to count on my fingers to see what that translated into, subtracting 12 and then 3…

          • EnthralledObserver

            So does that mean the Dandar story wasn’t the original bonus story?

            I have no idea about the maths… I’ll just keep refreshing from time to time.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That’s correct, Dandar was a free unplanned bonus. When does Tony ever sleep?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              The eternal question: Does Tony Ortega sleep?

            • EnthralledObserver

              He’s clear… I’ve seen the bracelet. Probably OT too, so… no… sleep is not required.

    • flyonthewall

      only 30min to go

      • Jimmy3

        You would get kicked out of the military so damn fast. 1900 is 7:00pm.

        • flyonthewall

          really? I could of sworn it was 6p est. Dang it all dang dang *grumble*

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Well, who’s got pig’s blood on their face now, huh?!

          • Jimmy3

            I’m just kidding. You wouldn’t get kicked out. You would just launch a drone strike an hour before the intelligence says the target will be in place, and they would probably give you the Medal of Hurried Eagerness. I think that’s a real medal.

            • EnthralledObserver

              All men have earned one of those at some point in their life, yeah? It’s nickname is “Premature…” well, you know…

            • Jimmy3

              This is true. But beneath all the shame and embarrassment, I knew I was serving my country honorably.

          • 6pm for YOU! 7pm for us! so um, in a way you get it earlier, yet at the same time…..wow, that even confused me….

        • Science Doc

          Attacking Mexico just gets you stripped of command. Thinking 1900 is 6 PM just gets you there an hour early.

      • Robert Eckert

        90 minutes, but who’s counting?

        • Science Doc

          Found Tony’s comment. Such an exact post time hints at an embargoed story. A book announcement or something publishing online by a major outlet.

          • Robert Eckert

            You were correct. Bunkeroos start to develop finely honed senses about these things.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Okay people, since there seems to be some confusion. Tony posted this comment when he posted the Dandar story.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh my gosh! I have never upvoted myself before but I just did, I am so excited!

      • skiesareblue

        Hey, Everyone should upvote themselves today!! ( I’m sure I upvoted myself often when I first joined the Bunker because I had no idea what that upvote thingy was. I’m afraid to go back and look.)

        • EnthralledObserver

          But selfie upvotes don’t survive an F5…

          • EnthralledObserver

            Or… they never used to…

            • skiesareblue

              I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen one.

          • skiesareblue

            Good to know.

  • Saint

    Remember Kyle Brennan. Justice delayed for Dandar, justice denied for Kyle and Victoria.

    • Qbird

      Saint. You are entirely correct.

  • Tony Ortega

    75 minutes to go.

    • salin

      This time precision is SO intriguing.

      • next we’ll get a 60 minutes to go, 45 minutes to go, etc…. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • salin

          he’s toying with us. And it’s so much fun!

          • EnthralledObserver

            When is Tony’s birthday… maybe he’s just announcing his cake has arrived?

            • salin

              chuckle.

      • Susan B.

        I think Tony’s working double overtime or something. He should start a union and fight the man for his right to a 40 hr. work week. Problem is I’m not sure who “da man” is.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Tony IS ‘da man’! (in all forms of the expression) ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Susan B.

            i set you up for that. that was the expected answer.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Willing victim… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Eivol Ekdal

      That is like a bazillion Ortegas!

    • Chee Chalker

      Tease

    • Science Doc

      Embargo it is.

      • salin

        Let’s speculate from the serious to the wild….

        • EnthralledObserver

          Ken Dandar has taken on the Rathbun case?

          • salin

            Wouldn’t that be delicious.

          • Science Doc

            Representing which side?

            • ZINGA!!!

            • salin

              Yow what a question.

            • EnthralledObserver

              $ci does pay well… but I suspect Dandar’s morals are a little too solid for that.

          • Kim O’Brien

            and Marty already fired him ?

            • and day ruing is already happening….

            • EnthralledObserver

              Heh heh… you used ‘rue’… someone had to go there.

            • coonellie

              You’re on a roll today! Already home? Doobie Brothers playing in the background ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Kim O’Brien

              no … at work . I’m just a really funny bitch today ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Chee Chalker

          I’m so enturbulated and full of withholds

          • have you tried beano?

            • Susan B.

              It’s getting a bit cult-ish in here and once again I’m not as funny as I thought I was. What to do, what to do.

            • salin

              fwiw, I lolled at ‘dainty miskivich’.

            • Susan B.

              fwiw? you gotta mouth fulla succotash or sumfin’?

            • salin

              too much time around texting teens, I guess. For what it’s worth. ๐Ÿ˜€

          • salin

            Just think…. Ron Sr.s Book? Knowledge Report the Movie? Big arrest at Hemet?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I’ll take “Big Arrest at Hemet” for $800 Alex.

            • EnthralledObserver

              That would be delicious!

            • Susan B.

              cool spy shit with FBI involvement

          • JOE BLOW

            Type 3 epidemic I fear.

        • flyonthewall

          US release date for Theroux’s doc

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            That’s what I was gonna say!

            Hmmm… I could go to bed now, and have two posts tomorrow – or stay up late and have three today… It’s a win/win situation, but I don’t think I could sleep knowing there was something special coming XD

            • flyonthewall

              don’t lie to yourself JT, you can’t wait. You’re a fiend like the rest of us!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Can’t talk, I’m busy sleeping *_*

            • flyonthewall
            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              D’oh, and I had just fallen asleep. Thanks, Fly.

            • Kim O’Brien

              just a heads up ..if Trump wins ..my daughter and I are moving to Norway or Sweden or Anywhereelse-a-stan . Please get the guest house ready

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You and 47 million other Americans. Lol. Bring some KFC with you and I will marry you!

            • Kim O’Brien

              3rd times the charm …ya poor bastard ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I won’t marry you but we can have good times. LOL

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Why, Dee! You naughty little… Just don’t tell Kim, apparently she thinks that she and I are an item now ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

            • salin

              I wonder if my cousins would take me in?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You’re wondering..? Of course they will!

            • salin

              Hmmm – Oslo, Hammar, Bergen, Moss… which to ask ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You are spoilt for choice there. My shortlist would be Oslo or Bergen.

              I’d go with Bergen if I were to choose ๐Ÿ™‚

            • salin

              Or I could split my time up – that way I would slow down the rate at which I wear out my welcome.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              That could work. Hey, it’s only for 4, 8 or 12 years – you’ll figure it out ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Robert Eckert

              You’ll wish you were only dealing with the Muslim refugees, soon enough.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Oh good, can I plan a vacation with you?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Go Trump!

              :p

            • Kim O’Brien

              careful – we might show up at your house ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • EnthralledObserver

              And you’d be welcome…

              But I’m not putting away my eagerness for Trump… bugger ya! ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Will you adopt me? ๐Ÿ˜€

            • coonellie

              My preferred escape hatch is between the Brecon Beacons and the Black Mountains…but that’s me.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i have no idea where that is but as long as i do not hear the phrase ” it’s fabulous , it’s wonderful ..the best . Just the best …fantastic …yuuuuge …gonna be great , it’s great , very classy , so classy , the classiest , the best , i’m tellin ya , so classy ”

              I am totally there . With bells on . And a hat

            • salin

              or *fill in group that was most recently insulted* ______ love me, I am a great friend to ______ .

            • coonellie

              It’s in Wales and I promise they don’t talk that way. As a matter of fact, you’ll understand ’em better with a few pints in ya. As for bells, just where a hat – that’ll get their attention ;).

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I can only speculate wildly right now (I’m too excited) so:

          RICO charges (always my fave)
          Miscavige mental breakdown
          Multi-state FBI raid of CoS properties
          Karin Pouw escaped and called Tony

          • salin

            I’d take anyone of those!

            or… Shelly Escaped!

          • flyonthewall

            we have to think why the time deadline of 7p est. What would necessitate a deadline?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Fact-checking.

              Something you other news agencies watching Tony might want to try.

            • salin

              Science Doc points out sounds like information that is embargoed.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Like Doc, I was thinking embargo, too.

            • flyonthewall

              what do you mean embargo? No trade with PAC base?

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              We’re cutting off supplies of beans and Macallan. We thought about adding toilet paper to the list, but they’d never notice the difference.

            • flyonthewall

              we have to strike a balance between humanitarian needs and luxury goods that benefit upper management ie Miscavige

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              We’re cutting off Tom Cruise, then.

          • MrsLurksALot

            I’ve been kinda hoping Tony would post that TUML had been optioned as a major motion picture.

            • flyonthewall

              mmm that’s tasty

            • MrsLurksALot

              It would be delicious.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Ooooo interesting. I like it. ๐Ÿ‘

            • MrsLurksALot

              It would be so awesome. Emma Stone would be perfect as Paulette, IMO.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Emma Stone… *drool*

            • Kim O’Brien

              Tony will be played by Mark Ruffalo . ( fanning myself and drinking ice water )

            • flyonthewall

              hey u changed your avi to a small female human in a hat. I like it

            • Kim O’Brien

              thanks ๐Ÿ˜‰ my daughter , when she was 4 . Pretty much sums up that she is my kid .. ..LOL

            • MrsLurksALot

              Kim, perfect casting!

            • Ella Raitch

              ooo mama

            • salin

              I Love this one!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Best list ever!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          LRH is back!

        • Jimmy3

          The Valley Org is DONE!!!!!!

          … with the latest round of funding.

          • salin

            Silly Scientologist.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Loaded inkjet cartridge into printer for space plan drawings – DONE!

        • Susan black

          Karin pouw finally got the correct diagnosis! Yep, female trouble. But the doc whipped out his vaginal insert attachment to his emeter and audited her troubles away.

          • salin

            *cough*

          • Kim O’Brien

            “vaginal insert attachment” auditing ..i am assuming ..is a little bit more expensive than the “non vaginal insert attachment ” auditing ? Just a guess

    • Chee Chalker

      Uh oh……has the day of rue finally arrived??

    • skiesareblue

      65……..

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        55…

    • Science Doc

      I’m about to go into a meeting until 2030 EST. I’ll try to sneak a look.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Perhaps an urgent bathroom break will be in order…

        • MrsLurksALot

          Ooh, that’s good. I’m saving that for later. Meetings at my office can be ridiculously long.

        • Science Doc

          Tough to do since everyone is looking at me.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            That’s when you bust out Look! Over There! tech and then run like hell out of the room.

    • .You’re endorsing Donald Trump.
      Let’s all start guessing.
      Seems a bit…..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I can’t take this anymore. C’mon, TO, give us a hint. Just a taste, that’s all. We’re good for it.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        It’s something to do with scientology, but that’s all I can tell you right now ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          That just makes me want more!

      • Science Doc

        Probably not another cryptic allegory about Marty told as a comic book made from Star Wars screen grabs.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Just tell us, Tony. We won’t tell anyone, I promise.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Nobody can hear us out here on the fringes of the internet anyway.

    • salin

      14 minutes to go.

      For viewing pleasure – here is a glimpse of an Aurora from this afternoon in Alaska: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=123226&PHPSESSID=33fkq54m6k01l3g9qv6hosh5e5

  • Science Doc
    • salin

      Doh! It won’t let me “see” without signing up.

      • Supper Powers

        I tired to post it this morning and the same thing happened to someone else. Just Google the advocate in Adelaide and Scientology. It seems that you can read it if it’s not opened from a link.

        • salin

          Thanks.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Crap, I just get the scienotlogy site. I give up and won’t sign up. Can you give a synopsis?

          • salin

            Some snippets:

            BRITISH Scientologists collecting tens of millions of dollars are
            using an Adelaide address as a registered Australian charity, although
            it spends its money in the United Kingdom.

            The UK-based Church of Scientology Religious Education College Inc (COSRECI) is based in Pulteney St.

            and

            It is not clear how successful the college has been in avoiding tax and its representatives were unable to answer questions yesterday.

            According to financial statements lodged with the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission, it made ยฃ10,805,637 (about AUD $21 million) in 2014 and ยฃ12,535,163 (about $24 million) in 2013..

          • Supper Powers

            It has to do with Australia banking in UK. I’m reluctant to give details because I read it once and didn’t retain the finer points.

    • Mark Foster
  • i got Tony’s HowdyCon FAQ added to the howdycon website—made a separate page for them, and linked to the page in the menu that’s on every page….also featured the link on the home page…. http://www.howdycon.com/FAQ.html

    Also added my mailing addy on the ‘helping out’ page if you have something for goody bags or something else…..and for those who aren’t aware, i’ve posted my addy quite often, i’m not worried, i don’t care…..someone comes down here, you’re entering another time and dimension…. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Mark Allen Shreck

    OT….and not trying to stir the pot, but is there a back story to the recent cryptic tweets from Jason Lee’s ex?

  • Susan B.

    Late to the party but I’m soooo happy for Ken Dandar. I remember reading a while back how he was saddled with the $1 million judgement. That’s $1 million less for Dainty Miskovich.

  • I decided not to point out that (but I guess I am), despite my repeatedly rebuffed urgings, virtually no one (here) contributed to Ken Dandar’s gofundme campaignn.

    Yet, everyone is “Yay!”

    Spare the excuses, explanations and recriminations, and let’s all just learn a lesson.

    Yay!

    • Tony Ortega

      Wow, that’s bullshit. Ken made a comically ridiculous request, as if he expected a million bucks to show up and bail him out of his problems. There’s very good reason his crowdfunding failed.

      Instead, he won this battle in the best possible way — in court, with his own arguments.

      Your attempt to shame people for not sending him money is pretty out of line.

      • Sometimes a dime is a big thing.
        A fucking token?
        A buck?
        A nickel? A quarter?
        The man was begging.
        You think it was just a scam?

    • Jimmy3

      He asked for way too much money with very little detail about exactly what the money was funding.

      Would you give me money if I said, “Hey, just give me $500,000 and I’ll fight Scientology. Thanks.”

      Now imagine that has some name recognition behind it. Does it make it a better proposal?

      • From Ken Dandar, fuck yeah.
        You’re trying to imply he’s like someone out of the blue.

        (You seem to be informed on what you are informed on.
        It wouldn’t take much to find out that a hero was in need.
        Let the cruciifiction (of me) begin. )

        Was that why you didn’t contribute?

        • flyonthewall

          I don’t like you

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            He’s just bullbaiting J3 – it’s all part of Jimmy’s training to be a good scientologist.

        • Jimmy3

          You’re 180 degrees from what I meant. I meant if some anonymous spectator like me did something like that it would be mocked. But Ken Dandar DOES have name recognition in this subject, and that’s not enough to launch a successful crowd-sourcing campaign if there is no substance behind it.

          • But its not “some anonymors spectator” its us.

            • Jimmy3

              It feels wrong and very hypocritical, but I’m going to have to ask you to sober up a bit. Please.

      • “Name recogicntion”?
        WTF?
        WTF?
        WTF “name riecognition” you got to question his bona fides and track record?
        OK, dude tell us your resume.

      • flyonthewall

        oh look at him now, he’s getting all worked up. *snort*

    • EnthralledObserver

      How do you know I didn’t contribute?

      Positive thoughts is a real thing!

      • JOE BLOW

        Don’t forget about my postulate….in fact I have it right here….one second….

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Oh goody I just love it when a poster plays message board police and gets all preachy and sanctimonious.
      “let’s all just learn a lesson”
      I certainly did learn one, that you are an arsehole, so thanks for showing your true colours.
      Let me pull that non existent spare money I have out my arse so I can donate right fucking now just to make you happy.

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    Pass the time to the third post with the latest from Jonny J. in Belgium

    https://www.byline.com/project/28/article/862

    • JOE BLOW

      Why do I always get “Webpage not available” when I click on this? Any tips?

    • salin

      Judge and prosecutor are slicing and dicing through the OSA is just good pr group. Great read especially in tandem with the previous two installments.

  • OOkpik

    Yay! It’s about f*%king time Ken Dandar got at least a small snippet of justice.

    Thanks to all the courageous SPs who keep the ball rolling in the face of Scientology’s vicious onslaughts.

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    This is great news! Congratulations Ken Dandar.

    • OOkpik

      Congratulations to you and the team, too.

      For those who may have missed it, I’m reposting a comment from yesterday by FredEX2 that brings home the huge importance of your campaign.

      ” I had a dream last night…that Earth was simply Earth…and there was no ‘Teegeeack’. That Xenu was a character out of a science fiction novel, and Scientology didn’t exist. I dreamt there was no such thing as black Dianetics or nasty OSA operatives or operations. No one even knew what fair game meant and thousands hadn’t been fleeced and scammed and defrauded out of their futures and life savings. In my dream David Miscavige was never born. I dreamt that I was back living in my beautiful home next to neighbors who were our friends, and my children were healthy and happy and as close as we once were… before EVIL interfered in our lives…”for the greater good…for the most dynamics”…I dreamed a dream where my youngest son was as whole and happy as he had always been… and had never been deliberately broken thru rape/PDH procedure caused to him by vile sick perverts in the name of a false ‘religion’. That he still had a wonderful future ahead of him…and that he became the Fireman he had always wanted to be since he was 6 years old. …before this Evil organization decided arbitrarily to destroy him…to destroy and make an enemy out of me.

      I dreamt of a planet where there was no such thing as the dark side of Scientology and all the destruction that these people (playing some big science fiction game disguised as a religion) had caused to others who didn’t want to play their game. Earth was just a planet…not a prison…where families didn’t believe the whisper campaigns of duplicitous agents of the Office of Neferious Affairs or disconnect from their friends & family members at the edict of a megalomaniac leader of a cult. I dreamt I had never run away to a foreign country to get away from the intense harassment and threats to my children…thinking the farther I was away from them…the safer they would be. I dreamt I didn’t cry alone every night as if my bones were bleeding from all the anguish…and the longing to see my children and save them from these filthy evil sub-beings who had permeated our lives…and that my heart had never been shattered in a million pieces…for a billion years…
      I dreamt our lives were restored and made whole and we could leave the nightmare of COB & CoS behind and live happy healthy and free…in a world without the utter suffering and ruin caused by what has become one of the most evil entities…disguised as benevolent… whose presence has scorched the Earth and so many lives.
      Imagine.”

      This is why!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thank you to FredEx2 for his courage.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Her……, but yes, Thank You!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Ok I missed that Fred is a she!

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        The number of times my wife has said how she wishes for a normal family situation with Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, all with the kids and grandkids around. We’ve never really had that and see others so happy with their family get-togethers. In over 20 years in the Sea Org our kids never once were allowed to come home for any of those celebrations (or anything else,,, ever). Once, I pushed it and arranged a family reunion of sorts. Plans made, plane tickets bought, all ready to get together. At the last minute our daughter called and was unable to come. It was some lame excuse and I knew that Scientology wasn’t allowing her to go. They are a cruel organization.

        • OOkpik

          Tears of sadness and frustration. I pray you have a full reunion soon. (((hugs))) to you and Willie.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It’s truly sad that davey has the power (and inhumanity) to take so much from so many.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            Amen to this Johnny!

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Ookpik – thanks for re-posting and linking. Knowing her backstory, that comment had me in tears for FredEx and super thankful to Sid (P&W both) for all they’re doing right now. My prayer, hope, wish is for so many families to be reconnected. I want to see the cult fall and crumble like everyone else, but I’d be happy for them to play CYA & hope they could turn things around by canceling disconnection as a last-ditch effort so no more time is lost for the families! In a sad trick of timing, found out one of my son’s lifelong friends (and bonus son of mine!) is considering proposing to his GF who’s involved in Scientology. Well she just went on staff and started auditor training so I’ve sent his mom and sister links to here and now to the new site that goes with the billboard. This is about to touch home big-time! Thank you all for your efforts against this blight on society!

        • OOkpik

          Thanks, Jenyfurrrr, but all credit for that poignant and gut-wrenching post belongs to FredEX2. It deserves to be seen, to be felt, by as many people as possible. It helps to define the very real devastation that disconnection wreaks on loved ones touched by it.

          I prey that the abhorrent policy and practice of disconnection is abolished before it is forced upon your bonus son and/or his girlfriend. Scientology is poisonous to relationships of any kind, especially loving ones. I’m sorry for the anguish it must already be causing all of you. (((hugs)))

          The word is blessed by all the movers and shakers who are opposing Scientology abuses.

          Thank you for your interest and contributions. I’m glad you’re here.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            Aw thank you! I always love chatting with you! As for my bonus-son – yep we are sharing as much info as possible and I did make the comment (as he laughs it all off with “who’s ever been able to make me do something I didn’t want to?!”) to him, “If this moves forward as is, the day WILL come when you will be asked to join the church or she may have to reconsider your relationship. When that occurs, if you go along, at some point because I speak against this place openly, you will be told I am a problem and you need to handle it or me or not talk with me anymore” He replied “That’ll never happen” so o said “I hope not and I’ll always love you and be here, BUT when it DOES happen, if you begin to feel conflicted I want you to think back and remember this conversation and the stories I am sharing and use those memories to confirm you need to get as far away from those people as possible!” So no matter what happens, that will always be in the back of his mind and they will only prove me right, and hopefully he won’t forget!

            • OOkpik

              That sure does sound like a mother’s love to me. I hope the bond is never broken.

              Is he or his lady aware that whether or not he joins the cult, they will likely not see much of each other? Also, if they are both involved in Scientology, each partner is routinely used in some way by the cherch to control the other. If you are aware of the Hubbards’ Third Party Rule, Scientology IS the third party. It systematically seeks to break any devotions that aren’t strictly for Scientology. No one is exempt.

              I tell you this, not to be a wet blanket, but out of genuine concern.

              That being said, young love will seek it’s own path and I wish the kids the best, whichever course they take.
              ((hugs))

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              You’re not a wet blanket at all!!! She comes from a die-hard Scio family and wasn’t super involved the 1.5 years they first dated. She started working at the org a few months back and since he works for his family during the week then goes to LA on the weekends to see her, they’re both not really “getting” that her current hours aren’t just going to be like this during her training as they both have claimed. I think she’s not seeing the full picture and sadly he comes from an unhealthy home so the fact that someone loves and accepts him, he doesn’t want to see any negative. They’re young, saving for their apartment together and in that “people don’t get us/think we’re too young” phase. So we’ve earned him but he truly believes she can just quit if she doesn’t like it and once they move in together, that she can scale back on hours if she wants. He thinks of it as a job for her church, since his mom worked part time for the church we all went to and scaled back hours and later quit, no problem. Our church has helped his parents make mortgage payments and helped them fix their house to short-sell and later to move, so he thinks “most churches are like that.” We’ve definitely let him know, now we sit back and are there for him to keep his eyes open and support them when they later see what they don’t want to now. I’m making sure his parents and sister are fully aware of what he’s getting into.

            • OOkpik

              Thank you for the reply, Jenyfurrrr.

              This is so disturbing. Lambs to slaughter doesn’t begin to describe how they are being manipulated. Your young man needs to become well informed of the Truth about Scientology NOW if he is to be spared a world of hurt. This destructive organization has honed the skills of sucking in people of every age, intellect and ablility and laying their lives to ruin.

              Why not run this dilemma past some of the EX-perts here to help provide appropriate resources?

              Scientology is not a Church, a religion or a job. It’s a dangerous cult.

              Nonetheless, the kids are entitled (and determined) to walk their own paths. That is ultimately as it should be. Sometimes we can only stand by with a safety net and hope for the best.

              My heart bleeds for them and for you…I can say no more. ((hugs))

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Thank you – More than words – truly! I am actually waiting to get her family’s last name from his sister and then I was going to reach out to a couple people here with that info for advice and resource. I actually copied your messages and showed to Mom & sister so they realize the love & support here at The Bunker and recognize its not just me being paranoid, but that this is a real serious danger. Thanks again – means the world that you care so much!

            • OOkpik

              Hi, Jenyfurrrr. Thanks for your reply.

              You’re in an awkward position – a Catch 22 – a mine field. Tread softly, my friend.

              There comes a point when caring can be perceived as meddling and good intentions are flipped up-side-down. Love and Scientology don’t mix well. I’d hate for any of you to become disconnection statistics. I hope you can keep communications open.

              Meanwhile, I admire you for trying to do right by your Bonus Son and his family. Good luck. <3

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              PS – I’ve sent him numerous links to articles here & told him some stories. He’s listened and then laughed it off as, “I’d like to see anyone pull that with me!” Thanks for the 3rd Party Rule – that gives me another specific to mention to him!

  • Graham

    30 minutes to midnight here in the UK and I can hardly keep my eyes open. This had better be one mega-brilliant post I’m waiting up for!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I saved you a pillow Graham. Rest your head, I’ll wake you when the party starts. ; )

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I’m sitting here with my dinner in front of me waiting to eat. I remember a few times I ended up having dinner with my computer and Tony.

    • jazzlover

      Hurry up and eat! You have 25 minutes ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Oh, thought it was 15 minute, 10 minutes before. thanks Jazz. I’ll just start eating here.

        • jazzlover

          I think Tony said 19:00, or at least I hope. Don’t mean to rush you, Dee. Better your dinner self-destructs outside of you than inside of you ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • dungeon master

      Reminds me of Morticia.- the suspense is killing me! Darling, make it last! I’m paraphrasing, of course..

    • Vaquera

      We have dinner reservations at 1900 EST. Darn social life!
      But don’t think I won’t be scurrying to the ladies room to check out the news. Great date, I am!

      • we need a bunker dating service! ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Kim O’Brien

          I get this guy .

          • Supper Powers

            That’s Fly. Nice choice.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You’d eat dinner with a guy who isn’t wearing a SHIRT…?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              She’d eat her dinner off his bare abs, I’m guessing.

            • Kim O’Brien

              you beat me to it … jinx ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I know you too well ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

            • Kim O’Brien

              we are going to be very happy together .

        • Vaquera

          You mean the Bunker is NOT a dating service? Why the hell have I been hanging here for 4+ years? Oh yeah, injustice.

          • if you were dating a bunkerite they’d be eagerly watching their screens at 7pm too for an announcement! ๐Ÿ˜€ they’d ‘get’ the F5-ing……

            • Vaquera

              I should be so lucky! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • flyonthewall

    14 min warning!

    • My timer says 12 minutes….but my clock is usually off….hell i’m off ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • salin

        I see 11 minutes now…

      • flyonthewall

        I have 5:49. Which is 6:49 est, which is 18:49 est and 17:49 cen aka 5:49 Oh wait now it’s 1850! Est that is

  • flyonthewall

    10 MINUTES!

  • Ella Raitch

    Awesome news is awesome.
    I have deadlines today ๐Ÿ™ but look forward to reading all of the jubilation later in the day.
    Have at it.

    • salin

      We will send an extra cheer for you in absentia – and listen for your cheering when you get a chance to read/catch up. Go hit those deadlines so you can get back here.

  • Supper Powers

    I wonder if TO is going to hit the “publish” button with one hand while holding a fresh margarita with the other.

    • flyonthewall

      we did once get a double post by accident. I don’t remember many of my children’s birth dates but I remember that day. It was Jun 5th 2015. I’m just kidding I don’t know what day it was

  • MrsLurksALot

    A 3 post day….what a treat. Enough to pull this gal outta lurker mode. So. Much. Fun. The wait is almost over.

  • Brainslugged

    Awesome news! Congrats, Ken.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Refresh

    Refresh

    Refresh

    How… refreshing…

  • Sherbet

    Should we do a roll call to be sure all Bunkerites are present and accounted for? Nah, never mind. I see you all. And for anyone who’s not here, ya snooze, ya lose.

    • Supper Powers

      Here!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Me too!

    • not here

      • Sherbet

        Well, get here!

        • traffic is bad…..i’m stretching like 3″ to my keyboard…..i’m so far, yet so close!

      • Observer

        There’s always one

        • salin

          I take that as a “here”, obs? Oh – and “present”!

    • One Human

      Here!

    • Jimmy3

      Haywood… Haywood… Haywood…. Haywood… arghgh

      HAYWOOD JABLOWME ARE YOU HERE?????

      • Sherbet

        You get detention for that.

        • Jimmy3

          It’s a date then.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Where am I?

      • not here ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Sherbet

        At the Bunker dining table.

  • flyonthewall

    3MIN!!! 3MIN!!!! 3MINUTES EVERYONE!!!!

    • aegerprimo

      It was 3 minutes an hour ago.

  • flyonthewall

    *passes out paper bags* Don’t be greedy, there’s enough for everyone! Hey only take 1!

    • Vaquera

      Thank you for the stand up comment. I truly appreciate the effort and sentiment. xoxo
      My heart hurts and I vented/shared in the wrong place…meaning in a public forum. My bad all the way around.
      Lesson learned.
      Wish I could delete the whole subject thread, but that’s an amateur move for a veteran like me. Live with it.
      And with that remark, I’m done. Thanks again, my friend.

      • flyonthewall

        i got you

  • 7pm!!!

    • flyonthewall

      ohgodohgodohgod

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am waiting. Arms crossed, stamping feet quietly.

  • Kim O’Brien

    POST UP

  • VisitorFromAfar

    Hello everyone. Never-in here. First of all, thanks for all the comments and up-votes for my first post a couple weeks ago. I rarely get a chance to comment though I read a lot of the posts and comments here. (I’m both fascinated and disgusted by this “church”.) I wanted to weigh in on this post because though I am not a lawyer, I have worked for lawyers for many, many years. If I state something here that isn’t true, I apologize and any attorney on here, feel free to correct me, but here goes:
    I know absolutely zilch about this case other than having read the per curiam (unanimous) decision included above. In my humble opinion, the COS attorney really made a HUGE mistake, and I seriously doubt a higher court will overturn it. Likewise, because it was per curiam, this court is not likely to change its mind, especially when it basically states that it’s a matter of the procedure of law. (Note at the top of the document where the court states the parties can file for a rehearing).
    To enforce an agreement, there MUST be a Judgment. It’s like if you file a complaint for divorce, then subsequently you settle with your spouse and sign a separation agreement. If you just discontinue the divorce action by filing the separation agreement without also filing a “proposed” Judgment of Divorce (and another document called Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law) which the Judge reviews and signs, the Court cannot and will not enforce the agreement on its own. (It’s called “proposed” when it is filed because the Judge can order that modifications to the Judgment be made, but once signed by the Judge it is a done deal.) And you can’t retroactively file a proposed Judgment if your attorney messed up and didn’t file it at the time you file the separation agreement. You’d have to start your divorce all over again in a new action (which probably doesn’t apply here due to the statute of limitations or other factors).
    OMG, the COS attorney really, REALLY messed up (again, MHO). The COS attorney apparently filed the agreement, settling and ending the case. He/she/it should have SIMULTANEOUSLY filed a “proposed” Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and proposed Judgment, incorporating the terms of the agreement (and also reserving jurisdiction to the court to enforce it), and NOT just the agreement on its own. This is like Law 101, folks! And it would have taken the attorney about one hour of time to do these papers. Maybe DM mistakenly thought the Judge would prepare the Judgment, but it doesn’t work that way!
    Have a nice evening and again, thanks for your kind words in response to my first post.

    • aquaclara

      Outstanding comments. Truly. Love the perspective you’ve added here…..

      Wow.

    • Gerard Plourde

      Excellent analysis. I think that the reason Scientology did not file a proposed judgment containing language barring Ken Dandar from representing future plaintiffs with claims against Scientology is the fact that that portion would likely be struck by the judge as an overbroad restraint on Mr. Dandar’s ability to practice his profession. To give an analogy – employees entering non-compete agreements with employers are only barred from working for rival companies for a set period of time, not forever as was proposed here.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Good info and thanks – I was actually wondering. This atty in particular, I could see them trying to appeal (if an option) just to mess with him.
      Don’t know if you read his story (put Dandar in the Search box above) but he tried to sub out to honor the agreement and had a (federal, I believe) judge force him to stay, while the state judge threatened him with penalties if he stayed…
      Welcome again and glad you’re commenting!

  • Katherine Meyrick

    3 cheers for Mr. Dandar! What a relief this must be.
    As for Scientology settling on condition that Dandar never represent another client who is suing the church- is that a common move? At first I thought it was rather odd but I could imagine bid old corporations doing the same.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Even if Ken Dandar did not pay a dime on the judgment, he and his family sat through depositions, he lost clients, he lost time, and he was harassed. In addition, Wally Pope will not give up easily, not with Miscavige screaming in his face. But, Dandar may want to yank Wally’s chain and cause Miscavige to scream even more – by taking a few more cases against scientology. Of course, that’s painless for me to write, and only Dandar can know how much more he is willing to sacrifice. I hope he has enjoyed his day, he deserves this victory.

  • KingofSweden

    Hooray! My congratulations to Mr. Dandar!

  • thetastic

    Woo-hoo! Hooray! The Dandar situation seemed so unjust, it was utterly dispiriting. I am so pleased to see this.

  • Ron Townson

    Well, I’m as happy as a pig in a poke! Great Job whoever is responsible. Great job. Now, let’s keep the ball rolling!

  • Yipee! Ken Dandar is a hero of this struggle, and the criminal orgnisation known as the “church” of $cientology deserves this setback.

    • dagobarbz

      Let us hope that each setback draws them closer to the Binder of Irrelevance.

  • Tory Christman

    Yay! F*** yay!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚
    Don’t forget to click the heart (under
    “Comments”)
    And: Happy Thursday before 2:00!!
    To “dave”? TICK TOCK!!

  • Missionary Kid

    I went to bed very early because I’m fighting a cold. Woke up, and was reading the newest post on the Bunker, and thought, “This is great news for second post today.” (That Going Clear was going to be published in Great Britain). Then, somebody posted that this was a 3 post day, and I came back here to find Ken Dandar had his obviously (IANAL) unjust ruling that awarded Co$ a million dollars, and I find myself being even happier that he will probably be relieved of his debt.

    When I first started reading the Bunker, about 3 years ago, the news for us critics seemed to be about 60-40% good to bad news about $cientology. There were a few more victories than losses against what often seems to be a blob of evil that seems to threaten everyone โ€“ and that included both critics and followers. Now, the ratio seems to be at least 80-20%, with good news like this appearing daily.

    $cientology is still evil, but it now seems even more helpless, even though it has taken more and more desperate measures to appear alive. It has money, but it does not have right on it’s side, IMO.

    While I’m glad that Ken has probably avoided a huge hit on his personal wealth, I hope that his nightmare is soon over. This whole case must have taken a huge emotional toll on him. I only hope that he is awarded some compensation for what he’s been put through. I wish him the best. Ken is a true hero.

    TICK TOCK, tiny Dave.

    • Polly Anna

      Fighting a cold/flu, etc.? Find some Propolis. It’s amazing what it can do! Look it up.

  • Lighthouse

    Wonderful, wonderful news! Wonderful, wonderful stuff!

  • Folks, stop celebrating. The ruling is very limited. The Appeals court decided that the original court lacked jurisdiction because of how the case was closed. Read this quote from the Order:

    In this instance, the parties would ordinarily have to pursue a new breach of contract action to enforce the settlement agreement.

    The Church of Scientology can start a new action against Dandar. Possibly in front of the same judge…

    I expect them to do so. Hubbard said that the aim was to bankrupt the target.

    Another issue is I seem to remember that the Church had been attempting to collect the judgement. Did they manage to collect anything? If so, how does Dandar get it back? The order doesn’t address that, which means Dandar would need to start an action to get any monies collected returned.

    I am not a Lawyer, law is just a hobby of mine. Since I didn’t see any comments from any of our legal minds, this is my interpretation of what that order means. It would be useful if one of them could give us their feedback.

    • Samphire

      To commence a new action would not the “church” have to disclose the full agreement or could they limit it to just the clause(s) relevant to their case? It seems to me that if the church discloses any part of the agreement in proceedings then perhaps the other party would automatically be released from the non-disclosure undertaking. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the Dandar. I am sure we would all like to see the terms of the original settlement which cannot have been in the “church”‘s favour else it wouldn’t have insisted on the inclusion of the non-future-representation-by-Ken clause. Unfortunately, the IANAL restriction applies to my opinion.

      Secondly, the appeal court pointed out that in any future action for breach of contract Ken would have the right to have the matter heard by a jury. I doubt that Miscavige is so stoopid that he would risk this possibility. Or is he?

      Thirdly, the claim against Ken was for damages and costs. In a claim for breach of contract the “church” would have to show that it had suffered actual loss (and not the loss of the legal costs in the original case) and, given the ludicrous structure that it has constructed to prevent itself from being sued, it might find this difficult. The filings in a number of recent actions must give Ken a lot of additional ammunition he perhaps didn’t have in the original action. Admittedly, the “church” won $50k in the original action but would a jury be so generous? Given the appallingly bad publicity the โ€œchurchโ€ is gaining day by day I doubt any jury today would award it a brass cent not least on the basis that the “church” could not show that it had suffered any loss whatsoever as a result of Ken’s representation compared to, say, that of any other reputable firm of lawyers. To do so might require the “church” to disclose all sorts of embarrassing facts relating to Ken’s inside knowledge.

      • The Church of Scientology would file the settlement document ‘Under Seal’ which means no one outside the courtroom would see it, so that is not a problem. Getting a jury to rule for the Church might not be as hard as you believe, since during jury selection both sides get to question potential jurors as to whether or not they have knowledge of the case, knowledge of Going Clear, knowledge of The Underground Bunker, etc.

      • The Church would be able to file the agreement ‘Under Seal’ which means that the general public wouldn’t see it, only the jury.

  • Gus_Cox

    Happy for Ken! And Miscavige can go suck cocks on Hollywood Boulevard!

  • Lighthouse

    This is stupendously good news. Great that Ken Dendar stuck to his guns. It’s an important victory against the cherch.

  • Silence of the Clams

    congratulations Ken!