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Talking to the FBI agent who canceled her talk at Scientology’s ‘mecca’

 
Rod Keller has the latest developments for us in a situation that flared up on Friday…

On Friday, Mike Rinder revealed that the FBI was planning to take part in an event held by a Scientology front group.

The Scientology front “United for Human Rights” had announced a “Voice for the Voiceless” seminar in Clearwater, Florida at Scientology’s “spiritual mecca,” the Flag Land Base, to be presented by an FBI agent from the Tampa office speaking about combating the crime of human trafficking.

 

 
Former Scientologists deluged the FBI with phone calls and the event was canceled.

The presenter was to be FBI Special Agent Maritza Conde-Vasquez, and I spoke to her after the cancellation on the condition that I not reference the event, to which I agreed. Ms. Conde-Vasquez has appeared on the Dr. Phil show, MSNBC Undercover and local news programs and has worked to raise awareness of human trafficking issues since at least 2005, mostly in the Houston, Texas area. I asked her about the definition of human trafficking and aspects that may be used to determine if trafficking is taking place.

 

 

Q: Does the FBI consider human trafficking equivalent to slavery, and are these terms synonymous?

A: In terms of public awareness they are, but for it to be considered human trafficking by the FBI it needs to comply with federal statutes. In our awareness efforts we refer to it as modern slavery or contemporary slavery, but in the legal sense when we charge somebody with human trafficking it needs to be under the applicable federal statutes.

Q: What aspects would lead to a determination that human trafficking is taking place? Would a victim being paid no more than a subsistence wage and being prevented from leaving indicate human trafficking?

A: It’s one of the elements. Within the statutes in order to prove human trafficking is occurring you have to consider if the victims are not being paid, or are being paid very little. We do find some victims who are being paid, so there are other elements in specific cases that would make it a human trafficking case. You can’t generalize, these elements are very case-specific.

Q: Would access to communication with the outside, such as mail being read or phone calls being listened to be an aspect that indicates trafficking?

A: It could be, but again human trafficking cases are very fact specific. It could be in one case, and not in another. It all depends on the circumstances the victim is going thorough.

Q: How about food quality and quantity being used as a punishment? Would that be one of the factors?

A: It could be.

Q: How about if there is a procedure followed by captors to recover a victim if they try to leave? Would that indicate trafficking?

A: Some traffickers have procedures in place, and others do not. I can’t generalize and we need to look at all the factors that are present in a particular case.

Q: Would it surprise you to know that all of the factors I just mentioned have been alleged to have happened to them by former members of the Church of Scientology? That former members have said that they were victims of human trafficking?

A: I’m not familiar with those conditions. I thought we were going to be talking about human trafficking. I’m afraid I can’t answer your question as I’m not familiar with the conditions you are talking about. Anybody who believes they are a victim of human trafficking should report it to the FBI. Our doors are open to that sort of complaint. We will listen, and we will interview the victims and accept the case.

Q: Are you familiar with an investigation done by the Tampa office of the FBI into human trafficking by the Church of Scientology?

A: We don’t comment on our investigations whether they exist or not. That’s our policy.

Q: Former members of Scientology have reported meeting with the Tampa office of the FBI regarding allegations of human trafficking. Are you aware of that?

A: The FBI doesn’t comment on whether or not any former members came here, or whether there is an investigation or not.

If the Conde-Vasquez was aware of the Tampa office’s previous investigation of Scientology, she didn’t let on. (And we know it took place because we’ve talked to people who were interviewed for the investigation by agents out of the Tampa office.)

 

 
The canceled event was to be held at the Youth for Human Rights office in downtown Clearwater. When Scientology doesn’t have enough youth in attendance, the organization operates under the name United for Human Rights. The organization promotes the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude: slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” And yet Scientology’s Sea Organization exhibits many indicators of human trafficking, the modern form of slavery.

One indicator I didn’t discuss in the interview is the concept of Debt Bondage, in which victims of human trafficking are held in their position by debts to their captors that they may never be able to pay off. The Sea Org version of debt bondage is called “Freeloader Debt” in which the Scientologist accumulates a debt for services they receive such as auditor training, security checks and the like. Also, there are numerous stories that Sea Org members are sometimes called “coins” and traded like property between different bases.

The U.S. State Department says that human trafficking occurs when a captor uses “force or physical threats, psychological coercion, abuse of the legal process, deception, or other coercive means to compel someone to work.” It is considered irrelevant whether the victim consents to the arrangement, such as the billion-year contract signed by members of the Sea Org.

In the U.S. the main statute under which human trafficking charges can be brought is the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, which establishes severe penalties for human traffickers, with no statute of limitations. Amendments to the Act allow captors to be prosecuted under the Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statute.

 
— Rod Keller

 
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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    Can you imagine the FBI giving Scientology a course on Human Trafficking: Doin it Rite?
    /me shudders

    • So the scilons know how to get away with it.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        Exactly!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Can you imagine cos bragging about getting the FBI’s support?

      It was a lose-lose for the FBI for all intents and purposes: go and give the cult the satisfaction of the appearance of public credibility and at the same time lose credibility for yourself for seeming not to know better.

      Jebus!

      • i wonder how the agent explained to the CofS representatives why she was withdrawing from the event, and what kind of response she got.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          “i wonder how the agent explained to the CofS representatives why she was withdrawing from the event,”

          Dear Sir,

          We are sorry that we must cancel Ms Conde-Vasquez’s appearance at your event as she did not get clearance from our office to appear in an official capacity.

          The First Amendement works both ways and as a government agency, we are not allowed to endorse religious activities (except for the IRS, but that matter is above my pay grade).

          Sincerely,

          Jack Crawford

          • And the reply:

            Thank you for letter explaining the FBIs failure to confront (which we Scientologists are even better than tax lawyers at doing, when we can be bothered).

            Bigot – how many babies did you rape today?

            Much Love
            A Stooge
            Not on behalf of COB, Master of the Universe

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Dear Stooge,

              Call your mom and dad. They miss you.

              Sincerely,

              Jack Crawford

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        The Fuck Bee Eye should educate their agents on groups like Scientology. Obviously their head is where the sun don’t shine!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    O today’s T, but Rinder’s guest post today is on the GE as the cornerstone for disconnection:
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ge-is-a-family-man/

  • MadisonAgain

    Deleted

  • MadisonAgain

    Philboard reminder:
    https://www.gofundme.com/stopscientologydisconnection

    ETC typo. Previous deletion was because of URL error. πŸ˜•

  • Jimmy3

    The regging goes well with the emotional manipulation.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Well, this is rich: Danny Fucking Masterson and Michael Pena working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. (F5, and text below)

    Very honored to help support the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children with my brother @mvegapena and our hero @john_walsh who I’ve been blessed to know since 1998. #NCMEC @missingkids @1800thelost this group is The Frontline defending our children from the pedo pervert predators. #hope

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/100bde2c9ca1b31d1c77342ed99cb888e527faf61d317f3c4939fa37e92b7cf7.png

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Scrolling thru the comments on his IG post, it’s good to see he’s getting trolled hard by a couple of people (one of whom seems to have made it her personal mission to troll all the scilon celebs on IG–I see her popping up on several of their feeds).

    • $cnMonkeyNut$
      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        No kidding, Monk. It’s infuriating.

    • Tony Ortega

      Walsh also dedicated a show to disgraced cop Daril Cinquanta, the PI who stalked Leah Remini.

      Starting to get the idea that Walsh is an easy mark.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Oh wow! Well, he’s nicely safepointed, isn’t he?

      • Observer

        Sadly, his ruin is an easy one to find.

    • This almost certainly means posing in the reception area wearing T-shirts, getting a picture and running away, as per ‘Volunteer Minister’ SOP.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s a typo. They’re actually supporting the National Center For Missing Out On Exploiting Children. It’s to inform wogs of the opportunities they could have if they’d just go to their nearest org and find out more

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I feel gross upvoting that, but yeah.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Maybe they can find Mike and Emily Jones?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I think it’s worth asking them.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          All parents who have lost children to scientology should go Twitter (or whatever this site is) and with the NCMEC hashtag post the name of the child/children, and the cos building they were last seen at.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            And the “call me” hashtag.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Definitely.

    • The pedo pervo predator is a scarce creature. The perp is more likely to be known to the victim. #StupidScientology

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yep. And in scientology, that means a senior or auditor or other person in a position of power or leverage.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T

    Nat Hentoff, jazz critic and staunch defender of the First Amendment, died.
    With due deference to our proprietor, Mr. Hentoff may have been the most
    distinguished writer at the Village Voice.
    RIP

    And a little fun with safe-pointing πŸ™‚

    “Please welcome Dr. Rizla Papers-Potts, New Religions Scholar and Cult-Apologist,
    formerly adjunked Professor at the University of High Living,
    Hog Trough, S.C. (Dept. Of B.S., Waffle and Comparative Scams).
    He is currently con sultant to Faux Gnus for a series on faith.
    He holds a Ph.D. From Sequioa University in Biology where his doctoral thesis on slug
    slime trails revolutionized the field.
    Dr. Rizla Papers-Potts.”

    “Thank you, thank you, thank you.
    I am happy to be here today as I am several months behind in my Ferrari payments.
    And I am even happier to be able to demonstrate my intellectual incompetence, my
    gullibility and my craven kowtowing to those infinitely richer than I.
    Today we will discuss a subject on which i know nothing other than the PR I have
    glanced over.

    $cientology: A Faith Worse Than Debt

    The most sacred location in $cientology, the Holy of Holies if you will,
    is, surprisingly, not a double wide trailer near Hemet, CA.
    That never existed and, in any case, no traces of it can be seen today.
    Rather it is a tabernacle of titanium, modelled on the mythical Swiss bank
    vaults so beloved of Source.
    In it are kept the code numbers to the Swiss bank vaults.

    Next we come to the place of the sauna in $cientology “religious” practices.
    Theologically, it is akin to Sackcloth and rashes.

    The monastic life of the Sea Org is the ultimate expression of devotion,
    self-abnegation and a creative and improved vocabulary of profanities,
    mantra-like acronyms and neolojisms.
    A spartan regime of no sleep, no food and no sex together with a narrow
    focus on building erections leads to enlightenment.
    Members are enlightened of their health, their money, their families and
    their futures.
    Hence the comparisons between Source and Gautama Buddha.
    It is also apposite to remember, with the orgy of nautically themed dress-parties
    that surround the Punching Pontiff, the New Testament:
    “He was a fisher of men.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/047b3bb7f62d8630358cadee82fe606f57845f1a5bf6e204f6cfb121d9784715.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7774b3b4a22151923bd2cfb62c04b41caf7956184839be0fccc8f3077281f20.jpg

  • nottrue
  • Tony Ortega

    It’s very easy to see where the Genetic Entity comes from. Hubbard had a big problem in 1951/52. He needed to somehow keep Dianetics even after switching to past lives in Scientology. The GE is the quick and sloppy solution to bridge the two.

    • Rasha

      I loved their light bulbs.

    • So much of Scientology consists of fudges like that – to retrofit the doctrine, address potential threats to Hubbard’s power (internal and external) of just maintain interest with the occasional ‘new breakthrough’.

      All made up as he went along.

    • Mockingbird

      He had numerous problems but due to no modesty or shame he could easily face them all with the same solution: bold lying.

    • Mockingbird

      By Science of Survival the genetic line and theta line fictions were developed. Rapid fire fiction from plagiarized sources was his specialty. Madame Blavatsky had nothing on him.

  • Robert Eckert

    Isn’t that Darth Maul’s Sith light-saber? I didn’t know they were so open about being on the Dark Side.

    • Dylan

      Your family is just a consideration Luke.

    • Jimmy3

      That’s not Darth Maul’s light saber. It’s a plastic toy replication.
      The real one is locked away in a titanium crate at Trementina Base

  • gibbs slap

    Scientology is nothing more than a fake… a fraud…. a cult….and a brainwashing ideology. created as a joke and a means of allowing hubbard….. who was a failed sci-fi writer…. so he would never again….. need to work for a living… his books are a joke… .he only wrote one halfway readable book… the rest are trash…. and travolta destroyed it in that failed movie…

    the beliefs of scientology…. read like a really badly writen sci-fi comic opera… next to them… the old flash gordon serials…. are pulitzer prize material… just ask zenu and the galactic overlords….. lol… wow…

    this group of frauds need to lose their tax exemption status…. and be forced to pay all these years of back taxes… they fraudulently haven’t paid…. they are not a religion…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1eb7372154760db931b015f5863c01b0cd114c390c4fd025f6f887c3c876665d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be81247c25b9a070143bf90bc792dc782282e023e8f291924bb3d865ea90364c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/206d12207cc1b179a7399fcd427de361993313f1ba3b63562523601c7661cb23.jpg

    • Tony Ortega

      OK, thank you. But you have now used up your entire month’s quota of ellipses. We keep track of these things.

      • Rasha

        eep.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          *whispers*IKR…

        • beauty for ashes

          oops!……crap…..oh no…what’s gonna haapeenn………..I’m disappearing RASHA… SAAAAVE mee!!!!!!!…… ellipsing ……can’t…stop……..
          HEY~ Did you Nailgun me to the wall while still in my sleeping bag?

          • Rasha

            *super slo-mo of Rasha in a spinning fall, slapping in a fresh rail, firing nails to a solid, weather-treated decking support beam, fastening Beauty’s sleeping bag to a safe place…*

            …s…s…s….h..h…h….h…h…B….A…P…B…A…P!!!!

            *throws compressor hose through sleeping bag loop, braces for impact, hit wall safely, due to proper safety wear*

            …Whew!

            *winks*

      • PickAnotherID

        I have a box of em dashes (β€”) gibbs can borrow.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Like a Total Ellipse of the Heart.

      • HTC

        You’re pretty funny when you aren’t being snarky…

        • Kestrel

          I don’t know. He seems pretty funny when he’s being snarky, too.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I know you have them stockpiled in the bunker.

        You know, for Word War Three.

      • gibbs slap

        oh my…… so i can’t use anymore of them……. but i have so many to use…..

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        If you tell SP’s they can’t use ellipses… then they will excessively mock up ellipses just to unmock you in a serfacky J&D way. Stick it to the man so to speak. Monique Yingling blinks excessively on television just to piss off COB. Same 1.1 ev purps at work.

  • What? There is no ground breaking documentary about Scientology on tv today?

    I am disappoint.

    • Kestrel

      Four episodes of Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath will be shown on A&E beginning at 5pm Eastern Time.

  • iampissed

    Hey all if ya could hold in your hearts a lady by the name of Sidney,I would be ever so grateful.

  • Mockingbird

    Good human trafficking filled day Bunkeroos.

    I wish I could simply present the FBI and other law enforcement the evidence of crimes by Scientology and the words by Hubbard requiring these crimes.

    His statements about “all men are your slaves” from the affirmations and many others regarding enslaving people would be useful. His statements about a hypnotist using various methods to control people from the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures in 1952 also are clear. He wanted a caste system set up to give him money, power and attention.

    The Sea Org of course is the ultimate fulfilment of his desires. A good lawyer could take the statutes describing crimes and then place Hubbard references requiring exactly that particular action in fine details.

    Then pull out photos, videos and sworn statements from witnesses and victims for each and every crime.

    Obviously the ultimate prizes would include a stripping of tax exemption, a large RICO indictment, trial and convictions including David Miscavige and finally a seizure of all Scientology assets to be used to pay victims in a huge fund.

    • Sounds good to me!

    • PickAnotherID

      I like it! We’ll probably need to start a GoFundMe for paper and ink to print it all out, then hire a semi to haul it to them.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        What we really need is something like the Innocence Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project in which a bunch of law school interns, working under the supervision of a well-respected law scholar and supported by a major university, take on the cult in a comprehensive and systematic manner to address all the many areas in which it’s harmed individuals and families. Focusing in on the abuse and neglect of kids born into the cult, and those recruited as minors into the $ea Orgy, would be primary avenue of approach here.

        Holding the cult to account in criminal and civil courts isn’t something that can be crowd sourced, and taking on the cherch legally can be a very long and costly ordeal, so it’s difficult to get individual lawyers and law firms to take these cases on a contingency basis. The answer there could very well be to fund something comparable to the Innocence Project, in which interns do the bulk of the work as part of their law degree preparation. In order to avoid accusations that it is specifically and unfairly targeted on the $cn religion, the scope of the group’s mission could include cases involving survivors of other high-demand, high-control groups, such the various fundamentalist Mormon splinter polygamist groups and white supremacy hate groups.

        • PickAnotherID

          Hmmmm…Now there’s an idea. But where to start?

          • Harpoona Frittata

            We may already have! Getting the stories of all of these ex-members recorded has already begun. And as more exes come forward in the wake of Leah’s series, we’ll have an opportunity to record many more. The cult has been messing with the lives of individuals and families for quite a few decades, so there’s plenty of stories out there.

            The question is: Of all the different approaches to holding the cherch to account for its ongoing crimes and abuses, which types of crimes/abuses, and which groups of victims. deserve justice most and stand the best chance of receiving it, given the laws that exist today.

            To me, those crimes and abuses committed against minors by the cherch seem like a very good point to get started with. Becoming involved with the cult at any age can thoroughly mess up your life, but to have been indoctrinated into as a child with no real freedom to opt out is qualitatively worse and more damaging then getting in after becoming an adult and having at least finished high school.

            • PickAnotherID

              Sounds good. The other thing about focusing on minors is, aside from the traficking issue which doesn’t have one, the statute of limitations for other crimes, e.g., rape, has more flexibility on when it starts ticking.

  • PickAnotherID

    This is interesting (emphasis added) [My comments]…

    From PUBLIC LAW 110–457β€”DEC. 23, 2008
    WILLIAM WILBERFORCE TRAFFICKING VICTIMS PROTECTION REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2008

    SEC. 1589. FORCED LABOR.

    (a) Whoever knowingly provides or obtains the labor or services of a person by any one of, or by any combination of, the following meansβ€”

    (1) by means of force, threats of force, physical restraint, or threats of physical restraint to that person or another person;

    (2) by means of serious harm or threats of serious harm to that person or another person;
    [Includes psychological harm, like threats of disconnection.]

    (3) by means of the abuse or threatened abuse of law or legal process; or
    [Like threatening legal action to collect the bogus “Freeloader Debt”.]

    (4) by means of any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause the person to believe that, if that person did not perform such labor or services, that person or another person would suffer serious harm or physical restraint, shall be punished as provided under subsection (d).

    (b) Whoever knowingly benefits, financially or by receiving anything of value, from participation in a venture which has engaged in the providing or obtaining of labor or services by any of the means described in subsection (a), knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the venture has engaged in the providing or obtaining of labor or services by any of such means, shall be punished as provided in subsection (d).

    (c) In this section:

    (1) The term β€˜abuse or threatened abuse of law or legal process’ means the use or threatened use of a law or legal process, whether administrative, civil, or criminal, in any manner or for any purpose for which the law was not designed, in order to exert pressure on another person to cause that person to take some action or refrain from taking some action.

    (2) The term β€˜serious harm’ means any harm, whether physical or nonphysical, including psychological, financial, or reputational harm, that is sufficiently serious, under all the surrounding circumstances, to compel a reasonable person of the same background and in the same circumstances to perform or to continue performing labor or services in order to avoid incurring that harm.

    [Covers a lot of Cof$ shennanigans. Hope someone is saving the smear sites and flyers passed out to neighbors]

    (d) Whoever violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If death results from a violation of this section, or if the violation includes kidnaping, an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, the defendant shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for any term of years or life, or both.

    Tick, tock Davey boy…
    http://static.tumblr.com/1c0cee0da0a67c039b29e14c63ae231f/bgexw1k/AY5mnhrx4/tumblr_static_nsoltumblrheadersm.jpg

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Thanks for posting that, there’s nothing like knowing exactly what the law says!

  • IHC

    Your recent post about the wealthy couple and investor into Pharmaceutical who shipped one of their adopted children off to another country falls under ‘human trafficking’ because it was done outside of the law as a hush hush. I forgot their name but know that his father would have loved taking care of his son after his custodial right was revoked. That would be one way to get to the bottom how they managed to ship this child off to someone else in another country and outside of US jurisdiction.

  • flyonthewall
    • Kestrel

      Patience, young grasshopper. To suppress a truth is to give it force beyond endurance.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I’m betting Ray Jeffrey caught some lawsuit settlement Rathbun and Miscavige thought themselves clever enough to cut him out of.

      • flyonthewall

        Ray would of sued and there would of been a big story about it. It’s a popular theory and I’m not disagreeing with it but it’s just so unnecessarily devious. Like, why do that and not just settle on the up and up?

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Because scientology. Doh!

          • flyonthewall

            Miscavige would of had to keep his own lawyer army in the dark to do it though. That team he had were not Moxon scumbags, those were pro’s and they wouldn’t risk their license and reputation on some hare brain scheme like that. I’m sure Miscavige has lawyers who would do it, like Moxon or whoever else idk about.

            The only scenario I can figure that makes any sense at all is that Marty hated his team so much he decided to stab them in the back and cut them out. That’s so stupid though. There’s always the fear of getting caught, having to hide the money etc. Maybe he put it in a trust for his kid for when he turns 21 or something idk. So stupid.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              “The only scenario I can figure that makes any sense at all is that Marty
              hated his team so much he decided to stab them in the back and cut them
              out”

              First of all, it was Monique’s team. In name at least but the result doesn’t speak well for either of them at all.

              Team Jeffrey was doing an epic job

            • flyonthewall

              yes, “Monique’s” team

    • Harpoona Frittata

      That “…more answers may come before too long” comment by our proprietor is certainly cryptic, isn’t it?

      Before Marty turned coat and started pitching for DM’s Miserable Miscreants team, there was literally no one in the anti-$cn critics group or among Indies who was on record as opining that they thought that lil davey the terrible tiny tyrant had been doing good job or that any mistakes he’d made were well intentioned…they just didn’t exist.

      So, getting someone (anyone!) that the cherch could cite who’s no longer in the cherch, but who’s become very critical of the anti-$cn movement is priceless for them., especially when they can excerpt quotes like the one he made about the anti-$cn movement being worse than $cn itself. Such utter hyperbolic bullshit can be seen for what it obviously is by anyone who’s familiar with the many crimes and human rights abuses that the cult has engaged in, but for those without that background, it makes it look as if there’s real dissension among anti-$cns, which is absolutely not true. Some of us think all of Hubbardism is utter bullshit; others think The Tech has some worthwhile aspects; none of us think that DM is anything but a evil, sadistic little fuck.

      Whatever arrangement that was made to cause Marty to bend over for lil davey the sadistic to have his way with him again, I sure hope it was worth losing whatever personal integrity that he’d regained after escaping the cult and speaking up about its many crimes and serious abuses. Anyone who’s given a link to the discussion on Marty’s blog concerning his ASC blog post and other related posts around that time should know that his blog was heavily edited to disallow any of the contrary arguments that I and quite a few others attempted to post in response at that time. Thus, whatever the appearance of agreement that there is there is more a function of deleting any post that was in disagreement with his speculative, inflammatory and completely unsupported position.

      • Kristen

        Marty seems like a very mean, angry guy who takes himself very, very seriously. I wonder if he actually misses the power and anger he accumulated in CoS? That kind of lifestyle can be very addictive.

    • Jeb Burton

      The warrior is totally irrelevant at this point.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Dear Sir Hartley Kyk-Yerarse KCMG,

    We in RTC are in receipt of your unsolicited missive of yesterday. It seems everybody these days wants to tell us what is wrong with Scientology and why Captain Miscavige is a tin-plated asshat. You further referenced our wog attorney Ms. Monique “Blinky” Yingling with respect to our gradation chart in which the EP of Grade O is “ability to communicate freely with anyone on any subject.” Your inference was that Captain Miscavige and Blinky are failures as they are unwilling to “communicate freely with anyone on any subject.”

    Yet if you step back to see the larger truth then it becomes obvious that “ability to communicate freely with anyone on any subject” is not that important. Grade 0 is really nothing more than the ability to order a cup of coffee in public or talk about the weather to one’s co-workers.

    In any event, the new GAT II gradation chart tells the real story up there on OTX-OTXIII:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/477767a04607891cf09ab21856c2ed5625421d74db8ea824b637449c13f72fbe.png

    We hope this clarifies why no senior Scientology officials feel the need to talk to anybody about anything. The new GAT II gradation chart also explains why Captain Miscavige makes no appearances anywhere as he cannot be seen by cameras and leaves no images in mirrors.

    When Captain Miscavige attained the EP of OTX and became invisible, we in RTC ordered Golden Era to use a virtual reality simulator to have it appear that Captain Miscavige was speaking at Ideal Org grand openings. We did this to create the apparency for Scientologists that Captain Miscavige still possessed corporeality. It would be Out Reality for Captain Miscavige as a discarnate entity to open Ideal Orgs.

    Captain Miscavige was the first to attain OTXIII. However, it would also be Out Reality for him to appear in the MEST universe in an excessively blinking doll body. That is why Ms. Yingling, who is also an OTXIII, appears on his behalf in the MEST universe in an excessively blinking and sweating doll body mocked up to look like an aging wog attorney.

    When she does manifest in her excessively blinking and sweating doll body, Ms. Yingling has no need to explain anything to anybody as she long ago transcended the irritating and grating chattiness characteristic of Grade 0’s.

    When the 1.2 billion Scientologists reach OTXIII, the world will be filled with virtual reality excessively blinking and sweating doll bodies. This is the future.

    Regards,

    The Religious Technology Center
    P.O. Box 12
    The UPS Store
    San Jacinto, CA

    • salin

      Wow – what I really want to know is the super duper secret (can not be named) OTIX? Or does that just happen across the board – kind of like the Literalist Christian version of Raptured – when all Orgs are not just Ideal -but Ideal Zone?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        OTIX deals with the single deadliest area on the wholetrack and that is why it is not even listed on the grade chart. COB broke his back piloting OTIX. Someone had to take the plunge so COB did. He emerged very knocked out but alive, the only one to do so in 4 quadrillion years. COB’s exactly taped path out of the trap is available only to those with the wherewithal and daring to confront the actual reason thetans mock up.

        When they were on a group LSD trip, the Beatles accidentally stumbled into the realm of Inc II R6 implanting phenomena encountered on OTIX:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWmvbxGpra4

        • salin

          Shhhhh if you share the Beatles clue too widely – you might make folks content with staying on OTIII. Then how can you keep flowing to pay for the Blinking doll?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Thankfully the youthful prodigy David Miscavige was present at St. Hill when the Beatles accidentally stumbled into the realm of phenomena encountered on OTIX. David Miscavige was flown in the Beatles’ private aeroplane to Apple Studios where he handled the Beatles as they freewheeled through the deadly implants on OTIX. This was all kept very private at the time so as not to embarrass the Founder for his inability to save the Liverpudlians from their LSD misadventure.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              As for keeping the sheep flowing to pay for the Blinking Doll level, they will do whatever we order them to do. They will pay and pay and pay.

    • Sir Hartley Kyk-Yerarse KCMG

      My most sincere apologies–it seems that the disqus demons in the machine are deeming all my responses to be of a spurious nature and thus β€œspam”… time to get inventive… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8613320ae0737a1603b3bcf74d7680922f5e81b3e6aaa7bd08b2db80bb80eee8.jpg … and apologies again for the gim-crack nature of the compromise!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        … and completely not because you always have to have the last word, oh noooo!

        • Sir Hartley Kyk-Yerarse KCMG

          Reprobate. Shut up. Grown-ups talking, go away.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • beauty for ashes

      he literally looks as if drawn by Berke Breathed.(bill the cat)

      • Rasha

        LOL! ACK!

  • Bernie Headley

    OT, but it is something I need to say.
    The A&E series by Leah Remini has me thinking more and more about my daughter and how much I miss her. It has been 12 years since I was able to speak with her and even longer since I saw her.
    I still very much want my daughter back in my life!
    http://www.bernster.net/stephanieheadley.html

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ((((hugs))))

    • PerpetualOutflow

      That is such a long time. I’m so sorry Bernie.

    • Phoebequeen

      I am so sorry. Tears .

    • Gus_Cox

      My best wishes that you see her soonest.

    • daisy

      We want that for you too ( (( hugs )))

  • Dave Reams

    It is possible that the FBI has not taken any action against Scientology because after having been burned once investigating a cult which, after several years, they discovered to be an online parody/hoax* – they wrongly concluded that Scientology too was an outlandish parody joke! And come on folks … ain’t it just possible that Scientology IS a hoax perpetrated by some wealthy prankster that just won’t die? It’s pretty hard to ignore hints like this! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2q4cjs

    If the idea sounds far fetched then I refer you to a documentary film that Peter Sellars made revealing other similar hoaxes – “The Magic Christian”

    * https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2016/oct/31/fbis-investgation-god-hates-goths/

    • salin

      Wow. smh

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    This has got to be one of the best non Scientology related coincidences ever. Can you imagine one of these in each Ideal Org chapel? DM can play musical chairs at each one he visits. Look at the name of the organ when the video goes to a wide shot of the whole thing.

    https://youtu.be/JTnGI6Knw5Q

    • chukicita

      Ideal….OMG.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Ikr? As if it wasn’t cool enough before that, then Ideal Organ pops up and I start cracking up.

        • chukicita

          I lost it. My family thinks I’m bananas.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Mine, too.

    • beauty for ashes

      I can totally see and hear it, and it’s creepy as hell. Nightmarish.

      • salin

        Especially for the person who had to “write” the music.

    • Observer

      I pity the poor sap who has to adapt the COB-proclaimed “cool” hip-hop stylings of Chill E.B. for this thing.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Dee had a CD of chill doing We Are the IAS. Last time I was there, we drove up and down Fort Harrison Blvd blasting it and watching scilon reactions.

        • Observer

          No video? πŸ™

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Sorry, no.

    • PickAnotherID

      Unlike $cientology’s “Ideal Orgs”, this “Ideal Organ” actually works!

  • Kathleen Willhite

    http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4720823&page=1

    Today’s chuckle from the COS response to a Jenna Miscavige Hill’s interview on Nightline. The church will NOT impugning her charactor? That might be a little bit of a fib. Her book is great, by the way, of you have not read it.

    “Nightline” clearly had its show prepared before it ever contacted the Church. Nonetheless, the Church provided “Nightline” with a wealth of information regarding the allegations raised in this piece so that ABC could undertake journalistic due diligence. “Nightline” well knows the Church cannot respond directly to Mrs. Hill’s allegations without impugning her character, something the Church will not do.

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall
      • Observer

        I think it would be a lot more decisive than this gif.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That was such a great response.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      *burn*

    • Harpoona Frittata

      How about a tag team cage match, featuring Leah vs. Moyingading, Ted Koppel vs. DM and little tommy davis vs. John Sweeney? We could reserve the front row seats for such $cn luminaries as Shelly and Heber πŸ˜‰

      Leah’s doing a great job of calling out the cowardly tiny tyrant and should just dial it up because there is no one who can speak for $cn and that’s because no one else has any real authority within the cherch. Lil davey is behind each and every hate site that goes up and signs off off on every letter that cult attorneys send out.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      “… and this event will be the first Obama-free event for the world!”

      So there has never, in the evolution of mankind, been an Obama-free event??? Mind = blown.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      And with a huge turn out of, maybe even up 20 people, it’s going to be earth-shattering for sure πŸ˜‰

      Interestingly, every time the clampire opens a new ideal org they hype the predicted results to the stars. The question of how having a shiny new facility is going to, somehow, make all the difference in the world is never fully explained by anyone at anay time; it’s just taken as an article of faith that, “if we build it they will come.”

      As a hypothesis, it’s certainly worth testing! I mean, maybe it was the rundown condition of the facilities that have kept folks from embracing the religion and parting with all of their cash. But once you’ve given it a try, then repeatedly tried it in many other places and over a period of up to a decade and it STILL HASN’T WORKED in the way that was promised, then doesn’t THAT result have to get factored into the picture somewhere!

      If there’s even 25 full-time staff working there at its opening it will be a true $cn miracle! Nigel seemed to have pulled that 250 full-time staff number right from out his ass. There’s probably not even 250 active $cilons in all of N.Z. We should all contact Nigel and offered him some really good odds bets concerning his growth prediction for their new idle morgue.

      • ExCult.Jan

        It would be fun to monitor his stats over the next 2 weeks: “14 going, 9 maybe, 346 invited”

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Someone sure needs to help these poor math-challenged $cilons keep track of their numbers!

          Speaking of which, I’d love to see a grassroots “Real Stats” project get up and running to provide $cilons with accurate numbers from all of these ideal orgs across the country and from around the world. Clams deserve to know the truth and to be informed of the real stats for all these new ideal orgs which are, somehow, supposed to magically boom once they’re put in place. I can attest that that is decidedly not been the case in my local region, where the org went ideal some years back and its huge and very well-appointed spaces are almost empty almost all of the time.

          Unless they’re being used by all of $cn’s exorcised BT’s, then lil davey’s hugely expensive real estate acquisition scheme is more like, “if we build it, then we’re dumb” πŸ˜‰

          • Mark Foster

            I have this fantasy of going on a non-stop road/air trip to view all of the orgs in the world to take photos…and to then post the results online…

            • Harpoona Frittata

              It would be a great road trip! And since I got out of the cult so many years ago, I could very easily join back up and infiltrate them, one after another, as visiting $cilon with CA$H who was scouting spots to re-locate to and invest in…they’d be on me like white on rice, while I played coy and hard to get πŸ˜‰

              Or, how about this: We limit the scope of the Real Stat project to the U.S. to get started and only gather a few of the most instructive stats (e.g., number of folks on staff and number of public $cilons doing courses) at Class V ideal orgs. If we could get one or two $cn watchers in each city to keep an eye on their local org and report in every week (by Thurs. at 2 p.m.), then we’d have a snapshot each week that, over time, could be graphed to show what kind of trend line growth and expansion were actually occurring along.

              If the cult can’t do anything but commit high crimes by false reporting their own stats, then it’s high time we sent them to Qual for a little cramming while we take over the task πŸ˜‰

          • ExCult.Jan

            YES!

      • Intergalactic Walrus
        • Harpoona Frittata

          Whoa there, Nigel appears to be on the upswing of his manic phase!

          It must be kinda nice to be so out of it that you believe that your earthquake prediction failure wasn’t a failure at all because all that attention to it had prevented it from “eventuating”…which I assume is very much like “happening”.

          Sounds like Nigel already took his own advice and came off his meds. With more folks like him becoming $cilons we won’t have to do much to stop the cult other than to just let crazy people like this add on to Elron’s humbuggery!

          Personally speaking, I answered the call to Make $cn Grate Again awhile back and have been working hard since then to perfect my Douchebag Rundown! If lil davey can squirrel the tech ad lib, then why can’t I!

      • Mark Foster

        Outside of LA and Clearwater, are there any class v orgs with 250 staff? I seriously doubt it.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I’m not all that familiar with how happening the $cn scene in N.Z. is, but nowadays a Class V org with even 25 full time staff is pretty rare.

          $cilons think nothing of pulling the wildest claims from out their asses, then getting all butt hurt and upset when someone calls them to account on it. Some really bizarre behavior there that’s right on the border of crazytown.

  • flyonthewall

    Like changes to sidebar btw. B/W font make for classy and clean look. Support Bunker is good. Better than just donate. Scott n Tony do good job. Make Bunker good.

    • beauty for ashes

      Help give weirdo’s like us a place to hang out. LOL. Bunker good safe place. You donate.
      You like. You stay .You buy. (ETA :))

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Bunker good. You donate – make bunker great again.

        • flyonthewall

          watched Die Hard 2 last night. Why didn’t you tell us you did butt double work? This vid cuts off at the best part, when he whips around and turns the tv off with the remote like it was a gun all serious like.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLT_jcOQ8qU

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I’m flattered that you recognized my sweaty derriere.

            They made me sign an NDA, threatening me with disconnection from Hollywood if I told anyone.

            • flyonthewall

              didn’t you read Mike’s article the other day? Those NDA’s won’t hold up in court. Lots of people have broken them and they’ve never been sued. Time to reclaim your derriere Johnny

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Now you tell me! At last I can stop doing (pretty good) YouTube video’s and final go back to the silver screen! I sense an Oscar in my immediate future πŸ˜€

  • chukicita

    Ran into a friend who happened to see 20/20 the other night. This friend lived here and understands the dynamic of Scn, but is probably among those who thought of it as ‘harmless nut cult’ – leave them alone and they’ll leave you alone.

    Friend said: “I don’t think anyone was fooled by Princess Blinks-a-lot…just as much was said with the editing and choice of clips, That CoS event looked like a cross between a Soviet propaganda film and an Amway convention.
    Really cheesy and strange.”

    • flyonthewall

      I got it. Yingling did such a bad job on purpose with the blinking and acting bizarre so Miscavige wouldn’t ask her to do it again.

      • ze moo

        Blinky was there to suck up time that could have been spent on more disconnections or other clam atrocities.

        What did we learn from Yingling’s speech? That $cieno spokespeople are liars and bullshit artists. Who didn’t know that previously?

        • Chewkacca

          Lots and lots of WOGs didn’t know that before. But they know it now! SNOOURT!

      • chukicita

        That’s gotta be it.

    • salin

      That’s a vivid description!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Uncle Sam, you better keep your hands off the CO$ or the whole US economy will collapse!
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/70dc7dd54618739e3cebdfc29a402a70cece6cd35537f56357a5ee460fbf3df2.png

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      BOGO on cult status. Well done!

      • Kestrel

        Well played, L. Wrong Hubturd.

  • sizzle8
  • Observer

    Somewhere an expletive-laden offer letter to Maritza Conde-Vasquez is being dictated to a servile Communicator.

    I know she is required to be cagey, but that interview sounded very Yinglingesque.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I agree. As I said a long way downthread: her “It all depends on the circumstances…” sounds a lot like “It all depends on the 14-year old”.

      • Observer

        I just woke up half an hour ago, after 4 pm our time. Whatever this plague is, it’s tenacious.

        • Kestrel

          There are two “things” going around here. The one I got is some kind of coughing/sinus thing that makes you want to sleep 24 hours a day and doesn’t want to go away. The other is a horrific intestinal event.

          • Observer

            I have the former, which I came down with 8 days ago. Mr Observer had both last week. I haven’t had a voice since Thursday. Sometimes I can croak, sometimes I can’t even do that. I finally am feeling better after sleeping for 14 hours last night.

            • Kestrel

              Get well soon, Observer.

            • Observer

              Work will be interesting tomorrow, especially since I have to make the occasional phone call. I wonder how many callees will think they’re being pranked and hang up on me.

            • Kestrel

              I’ve heard that tea with honey and lemon helps you get your voice back. I also heard that drinking a fifth of Jack will help you not care.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Stay home. You are probably still contagious, even over the phone. Take care of yourself!

            • Observer

              I work from home, so that part will be easy!

            • Sherbet

              The strange thing is, the virus comes back! I suffered miserably the week of Thanksgiving. Then I recovered except for the cough that will not die. I coughed for 5 weeks, but I felt fine. Then, as of last Friday, I’m sneezing, wheezing, and coughing again, and all I want to do is sleep.

            • Observer

              Oh, man…feel better soon! <3

            • Sherbet

              You, too.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Sleep is good. Get well!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I’m glad I’m a bit of a germofobe – washing my hands often is what I think keeps me from getting sick. Haven’t had a proper cold/flu for 8-10 years.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Germs can’t survive those ice-cold dunks.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              This is true.

          • Observer

            You’ve jinxed yourself, you know. Sniffles commence in 3…2…1

          • flyonthewall

            you’re just making yourself vulnerable to superbugs. The lesser germs keep your immune system healthy with exercise

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Well I’m not the one who’s sick around here.

              Raise your hand if you haven’t had a cold or worse this season…

              *raises hand*

            • flyonthewall

              That’s great, I’m glad for you. Seriously. Just sayin, it’s a medical fact that lack of exposure to germs weakens the immune system.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Um, fly, it’s a medical fact that washing your hands decreases risk of both contracting infectious diseases and of spreading germs to others. Ignaz Semmelweis.
              Inappropriate antibiotic use increases superbug risk.
              Granted, kids who go to daycare and catch colds have a lower risk of developing asthma, but Johnny’s method is paying off with no viral illness in 8 years. I’d take those stats.
              (OK, so a very thinly veiled vote for Johnny in water washing his… hands.)

            • flyonthewall

              *sigh* JohnnyTank.is.a.freak.of.nature.

              Ok, there I said

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              It’s not like I lock myself up in a germ free chamber and live there. I get exposed to airborne germs every day, like everyone else. Having not had a proper cold (lasting more than 2-3 days, where I was still fully functional) for 8-10 years, if a superbug hits me and makes me 50% more sick that the average Joe, then it would still be worth it. And should I die from a cold/flu, then I’m trusting you to take over my #tanktush videoing business.

            • flyonthewall

              well what if the superbug liquefies all your major organs, then what?? Won’t feel so smug then will you? Didn’t think so. And thank you, I would be honored to take over your fanny biz

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Now I’m beginning to get worried.

            • flyonthewall

              about your fanny biz or your organs?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              In no specific order: yes and yes.

            • flyonthewall

              there is a promising new vaccine for ebola that offers 100% protection but has yet to be approved in humans. Might want to ask your doc about it. I did

              http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/health/ebola-vaccine.html?_r=0

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              And what did your doctor say? Buzz off?

            • flyonthewall

              No, he congratulated me for taking charge of my health and said he would keep an eye on it and let me know soon as it’s approved

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Be sure he gives you a big shot then – can’t be too safe… (F5)

              http://24.media.tumblr.com/ce722c6c6351a8e70000fee5cf41c19c/tumblr_mj3nliTf9P1qedb29o1_500.gif

            • flyonthewall

              Oh I will, don…hey how did you get this gif of my doc? what’s going on here?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              It’s me in disguise. HAHAHA! I know everything about you, and will use it against you unless you clean my car and vacuum the cat.

              And what do you think is really in those suppositories I gave you? BWAHAHA!

            • flyonthewall
            • ExCult.Jan

              Ewww.

  • FBI this, FBI that. I get it. One thing is very clear – Scientology is definitely on their radars. Again.

  • Dibythesea

    Did DM order 20 industrial size paper shredders?
    From Mike Rinder’s blog
    Refresh https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a19ba8b44f6fc77cdf5f5707ae2d03c61bceceb07a7a34b001fe60f7129c2250.png

    • Kestrel

      Maybe they successfully completed the digital/imaged CF project. Maybe I just won a lottery I never entered.

    • sizzle8

      Sounds bogus.
      Folders are kept at the org where a person receives services. Only if they were Flag public would they be in Clearwater.
      And PC folders would NEVER be shredded.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Can’t stop staring at the “A Voice” poster photo above.

    Can someone with a laptop at least a decade newer than mine zoom in on the eye makeup and tell me if it’s Asian-style eyeliner on a freckled lass?

    Reads to me as an intentional photoshopped diversionary tactic to redirect the audiences & FBI’s attention from ‘us’ to ‘them’.

    Or maybe I just need to lighten up.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      They’re called wings. It was popular in 2014, not so much anymore.

      https://makeupbyemily.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/bf8b2708d53cf20c19cd2d25cccd650f.jpg

      • Kestrel

        That was a good look for you, Johnny.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Thank you. Took me 20 minutes extra to get ready every morning, but it was totally worth it.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Great ass AND makeup tips!

        OK, so I should lighten up.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I’m not just a firm, but supple booty. I have other talents as well.

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Cute, young woman with her mouth taped shut – what more could a guy want.

        • Duck.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Maybe I should have written: “what more could a cult want”.

        • flyonthewall

          idk, it precludes any…small talk, yeah

        • Ann B Watson

          I can look at it now but that happened to me at 15.On strip of tape is bad enough,as usual the cult has to up the we are the only group that can save this prison planet ante.Look at us & hand over your $$ for life.I like your posts Johnny.❀️

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I’m sorry it happened to you, Ann. It shouldn’t happen to anyone.

            • Ann B Watson

              ❀️❀️

  • PickAnotherID

    Seeing a lot of “Guest” upvotes the last few days. Come on in folks, it’s not that hard to set up an account, and the couch is comfortable. Of course if you’re law enforcement, feel free to stay a “Guest” and pick up some good info.

    • Kestrel

      Sometimes I open the Bunker in a second tab. When I upvote a post from the second tab, it often appears as a “Guest” vote.

      • PickAnotherID

        Huh! That’s weird. Then again, it’s Disqus.

    • Observer

      Disqus no longer allows people to vote if they’re not signed in. Guest votes are just another Disqus “feature.”

      • PickAnotherID

        Strange.

      • Rasha

        Recommend works, though.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      β€˜Guest’ upvotes happen when Disqus can’t keep up (and in any case, it’s probably me πŸ™‚ ). It was the reason I created my account in 2013… no more guest upvoting!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Shipped in from Colombia to work and kept ignorant with no one to turn to. Sounds like this could be human trafficking to me. Ugh!
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f1cf6d50499c3f7a868eb3998de602c2970b167a1df813f198f2e22500c1007.png

    • outraged

      This is SO depressing. Exactly like the kids in Quito.
      The youth of Latin American are becoming more and more pursued by the cult because Scientology’s human stock is decreasing in the US.

      We HAVE to make sure the children of Colombia, Ecuador, Costa Rica, EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in Latin America do not suffer because so many people in the US are learning the truth, finally, about David Miscavige and his bloody bandits.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        And don’t forget Venezuela on that list of S. American countries to be worried about. The cult preys on those who are vulnerable, for whatever the reason, and countries like Venezuela which has been experiencing a complete meltdown and bottom falling out of the economy are particularly ripe targets for the cult, parasitic vultures that they are!

      • Glen

        The bilingual wife of a dear friend of mine was walking her dog in Hollywood while waiting for her husband to finish an appointment. She was approached by a body router, speaking to her in Spanish, who was very persistent. It seems like the Spanish speaking imports to $ci in LA are heavily targeting people who appear to be hispanic.

    • Strangers wandering in from the street can find it, but not the FBI.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Seriously. This is getting preposterous.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Clearwater must love all of the publicity they’ve been getting. I can’t imagine anyone but a clam going there now for a holiday…
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    • Chee Chalker

      I have family in Tampa area…they say no one goes in downtown Clearwater. It’s deserted

      • MarcabExpat

        I live in Tampa and yes, everybody knows just not to even go downtown in CW. Endless parking spaces as far as the eye can see. There’s traffic, but very few people are parked. (All those cars wind up in Flag parking garages.)

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Actually, Clearwater Beach is growing by leaps and bounds these last 10 years. Downtown however has withered away to nothing.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • All in black = RPF.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yep

        • Rehabilitation Project Force = Reforming People’s Freedom

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Refusing People Freedom

          • Mark Foster

            Restricting PeopleΒ΄s Freedom

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Or just metal as fuck.

        • Ha. Yep. I wore black so much while on staff, one lady gave me a white tie for Christmas. I regifted it.

          • MarcabExpat

            This quote is great enough to be a soundbite on Leah’s show.

            “I wore black so much while on staff, one lady gave me a white tie for Christmas. I regifted it.”

            –Dodo, ex-staff member

            • Small correction – I was not a sea org member. Regular org staff member.
              Unlike sea org people who have to wear black when on RPF, I chose to do so because that’s how I am. And I knew that it’s not a popular color in SO. So fucking what. Thanks though.

            • MarcabExpat

              LOLOLOLOLOLOL Yes, I’m sorry, I went off on a total mental tangent there — even though I do remember reading the staff tales with which you have regaled us. (I fixed it, because now it’s bothering me.) Please forgive me.

              So: what you’re saying is, you were SO METAL that even being on staff couldn’t un-metal you? Dude, that’s metal.

            • No problem. Yep, that metal. Helped me to stay somewhat real. Thanks again. m/ <3

  • MaxSpaceman

    Rindersblog and the Genetic (pathetic) Entity. Great post. Perfectly illustrating the touchstone to the Long Con that is Scn. The GE and Disconnection: thetans are not meant for bad groups, such as families; they’re meant for good groups, such as Scn. What a charlatan. All created to get rich. Period.

    “L. Ron Hubbard, His Life’s Work: The Doctrine of a Madman.”

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    People are catching on. Tom Cruise = child abuse enabler…
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  • Bah!

    CHHS – Narconon JLB Ranch: Changed: expiration_date from [2016-11-30T00:00:00.000] to [2018-11-30T00:00:00.000]

    CHHS – Elevate Addiction Services – Placerville: Changed: expiration_date from [2016-09-30T00:00:00.000] to [2018-09-30T00:00:00.000]

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Am I hours and hours late with this?

    But Shermer and Ortega are consummate professionals when it comes to both their journalism and their own personal crusades. So the end-result of the following mini tweet-storm was not only civil, it was also very educational.

    Nonetheless, the underlying irony behind this discourse amuses me to no end. It’s not everyday you see someone like @TonyOrtega94 delivering a far better Sunday sermon than the one I heard at church this morning. Let alone see him give it to the likes of @michaelshermer!

    https://storify.com/DatumOmNom/scientologytheaftermath-when-atheists-begin-to-pre#publicize

    • Observer

      Niiiiiiice

    • ExCult.Jan

      Nope. Perfect. Thanks!

    • Glen

      Fun story. Let’s get it right.

    • salin

      A read that almost makes the arm reflexively just start air/fist pumping.

  • pro_scribe

    Facts as to the FBI’s position on Human Trafficking & Involuntary Servitude – Click here:

    https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/human-trafficking

    there is no statue of limitations on criminal charges relating to Human Trafficking or Involuntary Servitude

    • mockingbird

      Uh oh spaghettios. That’s a big problem for Scientology.

  • Glen

    O/T: RIP Nat Hentoff.

    Tony, do you have any stories you could share about interactions with him at the Village Voice?

    • jazzlover

      Loved his Candid label, especially Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus, with the reworking of “All the Things You Are” called “All the Things You Could Be If Sigmund Freud’s Wife Were Your Mother” πŸ™‚

      • Glen

        Oh, those ebil psyches.

        Candid was fantastic….Cecil Taylor, Max Roach, Steve Lacy, Abbey Lincoln, Eric Dolphy, Phil Woods, so many more…plus the blues giants like Otis Spahn, Memphis Slim, Lightnin’ Hopkins exposed in a different way than they had been before.

        Nat’s writing had a profound effect on me as a young man at the beginning of a life long voyage of discovery in music and jazz.

        • jazzlover

          Absolutely! One of the giants of jazz criticism. Also, not a bad album in the Candid stable, and ooooooooooo those covers πŸ™‚

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Since the video that shows LRH’s black teeth is from 1968 and he didn’t die until 1986, I’m wondering what was the state of his mouth when he died? Did he get his teeth fixed or get dentures in those 18 years or were they left to continue deteriorating and get even grosser? Anyone know if he died with any teeth or had they fallen out?
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    • flyonthewall

      best Hubbard FB thread ever

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        “Sumbitch stole Fred’s wardrobe from Scooby Doo” LOL

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Orc teeth!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
      • ExCult.Jan

        Oh dear, I was trying to minimize those TEETH pix and I think I clicked before my brain worked out that I was on the wrong little button, so instead inadvertently flagged you as inappropriate, which, of course, you never, ever are, my darling! My bad!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I’m giggling at the image of you desperately trying to minimise All The Teeth!

          • ExCult.Jan

            Seeing LRH’s teeth is a weird PTSD trigger for me.
            I suddenly smell the leader of my ex-cult. Get woozy, nauseated. It’s not a good smell.
            Their lack of basic hygiene somehow becomes a test confirming the brainwashing is complete when a recruit doesn’t go running madly away when they meet them for the first time. Such an odd experience. Since I was in the top echelon, I spent a lot of time around him. The dissonance around minimizing this at the time now explodes every time I see those teeth. Maybe one day I will be able to just roll my eyes instead.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Oh, no! I’m so sorry, Jan. I won’t post the photo again without a warning. I really am very sorry. X

            • ExCult.Jan

              No, no, don’t avoid posting anything here, Andrea.
              That’s what the minimize button is for (I always use it for the teeth close-ups). I’ll just work on my aim! πŸ˜‰
              It’s important folks see and think about LRH’s lack of basic hygiene and how that fits into his bizarre narcissism focused on controlling others.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Bless you, I hate to think of you or anyone being upset by something that triggers your PTSD. I will be careful to post a warning from now on. I think the rest of the Bunker will be very happy to hear that, too! πŸ™‚

    • What’sup
  • Chee Chalker

    The woman in Quito is standing in front of the famous LRH ‘pull my finger’ picture

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I thought it was called “Dude, smell my finger”.

      • Chee Chalker

        Or ‘I can’t flick this BT off my finger’

  • Please donate any amount you can, no matter how little.
    Truth Board: https://www.gofundme.com/stopscientologydisconnection

  • Concerned Lurker

    Someone please tell me I’m not the only one who’s wished that Anonymous would take over SCN’s network and just play this bit on an infinite loop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e46SBGFvSag

  • gibbs slap

    in the words of arnold…… miscavige and cruise and all the scientology boys…… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af04fd59fd6cae5f1c2cf4624a5080d12bad7ee82e1ebf3ae7078a5b73db061c.jpg are just a bunch of girly men…..

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Chee Chalker

      I know someone who worked on properties in Clearwater said the same thing….a Co$ member was with them every moment

    • salin

      Shocking that this was on social media (even if the poster was not Co$) – even more shocking the story (ies) told within the posts.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh My God. This guy needs to sit down with Tony for an interview.

    • grundoon
  • pro_scribe

    Hit ’em where it hurts: BackPay via Dept of Labor: https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/backpay

    FLSA provides recovery of unpaid minimum and/or overtime wages.

    A common remedy for wage violations is an order that the employer make up the difference between what the employee was paid and the amount he or she should have been paid. The amount of this sum is often referred to as “back pay.” Among other Department of Labor programs, back wages may be ordered in cases under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) on the various federal contract labor statutes.

    Statue of limitations: 2 years unless “willful violations” extend tolling to 3 years.

    This was used against another religious foundation which subsequently had 501c3 revoked

    Ruling on the appeal:

    1st Amendment: “court rejected petitioners’ arguments that application of the Act to the Foundation violated the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses of the First Amendment. The Court of Appeals affirmed as to liability.”

    Volunteer vs Employee: “Solicitor General states that, in determining whether individuals have truly volunteered their services, the Department of Labor considers a variety of factors, including the receipt of any benefits from those for whom the services are performed, whether the activity is a less than full-time occupation, and whether the services are of the kind typically associated with volunteer work. The Department has recognized as volunteer services those of individuals who help to minister to the comfort of the sick, elderly, indigent, infirm, or handicapped, and those who work with retarded or disadvantaged youth.”

    Religious interference: “Foundation’s commercial activities, undertaken with a “common business purpose,” are not beyond the reach of the Fair Labor Standards Act because of the Foundation’s religious character, and its associates are “employees” within the meaning of the Act because they work in contemplation of compensation. Like other employees covered by the Act, the associates are entitled to its full protection. Furthermore, application of the Act to the Foundation’s commercial activities is fully consistent with the requirements of the First Amendment. The judgment below is accordingly,

    Affirmed.”

    Here’s a few aspects that could be considered having a common business purpose: counseling: charges for auditing, healthcare services such as Narconon, or education as in Delphi Academy, rental of church property, editing and printing of books/media, and most importantly, management of intellectual property such as copyright.

    • salin

      pro_scribe, welcome to the commenting community side of the Underground Bunker! Great information in your post.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    How to bring a promising acting career to a screeching halt?
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    • Dylan

      Interesting it says – through spiritual technology. I don’t ever remember the tech being referred to in this manor?

      • MaxSpaceman

        CST the Church of Spiritual Technology

        They’re cribbing from their own corporate shell game construction to develop new marketing buzzwords.

    • salin

      IOW, they can’t find a Scientologist to do the ad? Have to hire an actor? What’s up with that? *as if we didn’t know… it’s all fake!*

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think they stopped using scientologists because they have to redo the films after they blow…

        • salin

          Doh! That makes great sense.

    • daisy

      You can identify these handsome fellows.

      • like a Credit line embedded?

        • daisy

          Maybe I am supposed to know who they are , but I am an old woman with limited memory. I think I know who one of them are but would still like confirmation or don*t whatever. Avi names fine

      • you have the name of the guy to the left?

        • UhLasare

          From Fred’s post of this on Facebook: “Recently,
          I happened to meet Noel Marcantel, a Photojournalist and Photographer,
          who just happened to be across the street from PAC Base, the so-called
          “church” of scientology’s west coast headquarters. Noel had stopped by
          to take advantage of unique lighting, and Doug Kramer and I happened to
          be “banished” to that side of Sunset Blvd. by the event permit
          scientology had acquired for an event. Noel returned, interviewed us and
          then took this photo (Doug Kramer and I are holding Phil Jones “call me” sign). β€” with Doug Kramer.

          • UhLasare

            I remembered that he posted it publically on his blog, but couldn’t find the blog post. Fred’s Facebook post is a screenshot of the photographer’s Instagram photo, so it all seems to be public info.

          • Thanks – just what i needed. The background story for this picture.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Only with their explicit permission.

        • The picture is from last year 2016 and has been circulated so many times in public domain

    • iampissed

      Go with your gut.

      • no way man πŸ™‚ when it’s out there it’s too late

        • iampissed

          Just use mine.

          • can i use your picture again in twitterland?

          • iampissed

            OSA must be going crazy right now.

            • jazzlover

              It’s a short trip

            • just around the corner

            • jazzlover

              and right off the front porch of infinity πŸ˜‰

            • With her millennium stare

            • jazzlover

              <>

            • The scene is set…CUT

            • jazzlover

              you’re right – we could use up the rest of the billion year contract talkin’ about it πŸ™‚

            • LOL

            • You have to eat a sandwich at the new phillboard!

            • iampissed

              Bring a beer.

            • Phil will be my Proxy

            • iampissed

              Nope

            • i can’t be there.

            • iampissed

              Will talk about it later.

            • Ohh dear πŸ™‚

            • iampissed

              Be afraid….very afraid.

          • iampissed

            I know to ugly.

            • iampissed

              Ok who up voted that, I’ll find you.

        • jazzlover

          Wish Krusty felt the same way.

          • lol she is always late as she has no future

            • jazzlover

              Her present is her past? LOL

          • Liberated

            LOL

      • MaxSpaceman

        When I do that, I find the fat leading the fat

    • ExCult.Jan

      Include link to yesterday’s Bunker article?

      • good one… i will also include text & hashtags to the Tweet

        • iampissed

          One is Fred right?

          • yes but i need the name of the other guy

            • iampissed

              Wish I could help

            • salin

              You already did – getting the momentum moving in a big way – in honor of being able to be there (with your Dad). *holding a lit candle up for your family* ((iampissed))

            • iampissed

              Thank you so much for your thoughts….you don’t know how much it helps.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Tweet works without identifying individuals holding the signs, IMHO

            • jazzlover

              yup

            • yes i agree

      • iampissed

        Seems to be done.

      • iampissed

        Hey Phil can ya make it next to a really good deli….I love brisket. Just asking

  • Bob Crouch

    The Quito pictures are, in a word, heart-breaking!

  • nottrue
  • MaxSpaceman

    John Revolta winning Golden Globe for Best Limited Series (Producer- one of many many acceptors)

    The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story

    • Liberated

      copycat.

      • MaxSpaceman

        each post says “2 minutes ago”
        tied for 1st πŸ™‚

        • Liberated

          Well ok

          • MaxSpaceman

            A claim I can’t retain. You have a 15 second advantage it seems at being 1st

  • Liberated

    John Travolta is on tv right now, the people vs. o. j. won a golden globe.

  • Terapined

    Nicole Kidman and John Travolta on the same stage
    interesting
    Just channel surfing and spotted it
    Golden Globes

  • Liberated

    At least Hugh Laurie won for Night Manager….I thought JT’s performance was comically bad.

    • Phoebequeen

      That is what I just said. I guess that is why they didn’t have a shot of him later on when he was up for his role in OJ. He probably was back stage. I was hoping it was a snub!

  • Liberated

    Sophia Vergara is on now….va va voom. Oh sure ,I can see her w/cruise.

    • Phoebequeen

      I love her. She is like a I Love Lucy in a sexy 2.0 and foreign version.

      • Liberated

        I love her too.

        • Phoebequeen

          I can do the “HHJJAAAY!” thing like her to a T. My neighbor is named Jay so it comes in handy!

  • AntoniaW

    O/T, but a bedtime contribution from John Mappin from my filed correspondence, with the obvious questions to Bunkerites: Wtf, is there cognitive dissonance, & how to unravel???

    ” We are sure, that if you were to sit down for a few minutes with someone who truly understood the subject of Scientology and got your questions answered, that you would experience tremendous relief.
    This is one of the reasons that we extended an invitation to you to our home for tea.
    In our experience it is simply not kind to allow someone to live with bigotry in their heart or mind. We are certain that we could help you iron out any unanswered questions that you may have and are attempting to resolve.

    In our experience bigots in relation to Scientology fall into two clear groups.
    1. The quite genuinely misinformed who have, either inadvertently or through intellectual laziness, fallen foul to the brainwashing methods of those individuals who fear they will lose income were Scientology to expand and grow. As such the bigot is computing with data, that while quite false, has the capacity to be very upsetting.
    2. The genuinely evil who rage against anything that truly helps mankind.
    As the second group is extremely rare, the kind thing to do is to make sure that people have accurate information about the subject from accurate sources.

    These are best accessed on line at http://www.scientology.org and http://www.lronhubbard.com. Most other online sources tend to be unreliable.
    Our own involvement and study of Scientology which began in 1991 is something that we have always been quite open about. Having been educated in science, by the finest scientific teachers and minds of the age, at Winchester College, I was very fortunate to have had the opportunity to be taught the subject of Scientology in the USA at one of the finest possible churches there.
    I sought out those who understood it best and the original source research documents of Hubbard himself……Our family saw that depression could now be cured without resorting to drugs, that drug addiction could now be resolved in a few weeks and that Scientology, if understood would, in time, bring about the end of War.

    We have been delighted to help introduce the subject to the world and have done so very effectively.”

    • beauty for ashes

      He just genuinely believes, but is truly not prepared for a discussion. He thinks his good intentions are enough to convert your opinions.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Just hilaarious! This guy is priceless!

      “…that Scientology, if understood would, in time, bring about the end of War.”

      Yea sure, John, but you’re leaving out the beginning part of the story, where $cilons kill everyone else off.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I see a lot of y’all say “shoop” a lot. What does it mean? Other than that song by Salt’n’Pepa?
      I really don’t know! But I’ll bet it’s funny! ?

      • shoop is short for photoshop or Image manipulation

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Thank you! I get it now πŸ™‚

  • Phoebequeen

    OT, just catching some of The Golden Globes. Happen to see the Travolta’s in the audience in a roving shot. So, it confused me a bit when John himself was nominated for lead role in a mini series , for his role in OJ Simpson. They showed the other 4 actors in audience as they announced their names, but called his last and didn’t show him. He didn’t win either. Hugh Laurie did for The Night Manager. Excellent mini series. Well done and he deserved it. Just so glad Travolta did not win.

    • Phoebequeen

      I just saw where he was already on stage and probably not back at seat. Damn. Was hoping it was a snub!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      My first sight of Hugh Laurie was his Mr. Palmer in Sense & Sensibility 1995. Lovably hateful man!

      • Phoebequeen

        He was delightfully evil as Richard Roper in Night Manager.

  • Liberated

    I wanna see La La Land.

    • is that a band?

      • Liberated

        No it’s a movie, a musical. Takes place in La.
        Ryan Gosling..Emma Stone….don’t tell me you don’t know who they are.

        • I will not tell you that i don’t know who they are

          • Liberated

            Oh honey…they’re wonderful young actors.
            The movie takes place in “old Los Angeles and these 2 artists are trying to get their start in
            “show biz “, plus it’s also a love story.
            It’s so sweet!

            • Liberated

              What’s wrong with you?

            • ha ha… i really don’t like Musicals or the Theater with RL actors or Museums or paintings or … I can’t even watch Grease

            • Liberated

              You’re killing me, man.
              What else is there to do in life?
              The arts are beauty and joy..finding something wonderful in spite of all the pain.

              I bet you secretly listen to ABBA records and love it.

            • Now you done it… I was the biggest ABBA fan EVAR…. but then they made CHESS… ohh well πŸ™

            • Liberated

              Oh sweetheart….stick with me, I’ll have you crying like a baby when you see a romantic comedy. Grease is not a great example of a musical, there are so many more to love.
              I will name them later.

              Ok…this is your 1st assignment:

              Watch the movie “The English Patient “….it came out in 1996.
              It’s not a musical, it’s a multilayered drama…it’s beautiful.
              We will discuss later. I can deal with whatever opinion you have, it’s a learning process.

              Do it for MEME…man!

            • lol… i just had the thought that i better do this πŸ™‚

            • daisy

              I do not like musicals either, it is so unnatural to be walking along and just break into song. The actors Libs mentioned are good because they can act in other stuff.

            • Liberated

              I can hear you.

            • daisy

              I like many of the same comics.and some shows.

            • FredEX2

              Oh I don’t know daisy, …if we all just walked along and broke into song every now and then…things might be a bit more fun…

              🎢I’m singing in the rain…and dancing once again…LaLaLa 🎢
              F5
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54f8bd8c400974f9afd32bd8eb6e01d36bc9795d0dbab92071fad26d52bba949.gif

            • daisy

              The only song that can do that and make me smile is
              > <
              o we stand tall la de lah

            • FredEX2

              Nooooo! Ewwwww daisy. Not THAT song.

              Ok I’m cured. I don’t like musicals. I promise not to burst into song…just please don’t sing that! Halp! My ears…

            • Ah yes, Riverdance.

            • FredEX2

              LOL

            • I didn’t’ mean to be rude or anything and i hope she didn’t took it that way. I better read the whole thing again!

    • Phoebequeen

      I am not big on musicals, but it looks quirky.
      The movie Lion would break my heart to see. It is a true story. I am not sure I could see it. Saw the real person it was based on 60 Minutes.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Yes, it was heartbreaking. Stayed with me for days.

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • wtf πŸ™‚

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          That’s as close as the sea orgers inside will get to La La Land…

  • I believe there was an addendum to the Xenu story
    https://twitter.com/RodgerDodger18/status/818276991984160771

  • Watching Passengers http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1355644/
    It really is pretty awesome so far.

    • Liberated

      You know awhile ago you told people to go to 123movies and watch The Arrival, I did and I liked it.
      Now when I go there they want me to sign up for Hulu…sometimes it works all on it’s own and sometimes it doesn’t.
      I don’t expect you to have the answer, I just wondered if you had the same experience.

  • Fly Lady

    Mr. On the wall wants me to inform you of a fun fact: die hard 3 mentions both trump and Hillary Clinton. He insisted that i stopped doing the internet-ING I was doing and let you know.

    • iampissed

      I don’t even know…but I like Fly lady.

      • Kestrel

        She’s a lovely person.

    • Juicer77

      Lol!

  • John Prince

    at the risk of sounding silly and off-topic, why does a tax-free Organisation need to employ a tax-lawyer? ?

    • Taffy Sinclair

      good question!!

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Not to state the obvious, but how can Scientology pretend to be against human trafficking when that’s EXACTLY what they do?? Look at what the cadet org/sea-org/etc. do?? And “lower conditions??” That’s enslavement!! Regardless of “conditions.”

    Sorry, but I don’t get it.

    • chukicita

      Projection seems to be a recurring theme in Scientology.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Meaning they “project” to be caring about “mankind and the planet?”

        Sorry to be so “”quotey””

        • Taffy Sinclair

          BTW, I like yr black panther. Kinda like my black cat!!

          • ExCult.Jan

            and with my black X, it’s a black thread.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Yes!! And if there’s further meaning behind yr black X or thread, you may have to enlighten me… I’m a bit ignorant when it come to “internet manners”….

            • ExCult.Jan

              Don’t tell anyone, but I lifted the logo from the band ‘Ex-Cult’. http://excult.tumblr.com/

              I am an ‘ex’, not Scientology, but very affected by Scientology’s shenanigans against the Cult Awareness Network at the time of my exit in 1994.

              Same cult shit, different flavor. Well, not flavor exactly… πŸ˜‰

        • ExCult.Jan

          Project one’s flaws onto another.
          Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            This is one of the things I love love love about this site. I get quick answers to my questions, and serious one’s at that. Thanks y’all!!!

            • daisy

              You may have heard of the term * defense mechanism* It is one.

        • chukicita

          No. I was referring to the way mental health professionals use the term “projection.” Blame shifting; refusing to see their own negative attributes and attributing them to others.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Boy howdy! Scurrilous cult, projection be thy name!

    • ExCult.Jan

      It’s like when you’re a kid and track mud in the house and to avoid getting in trouble you start telling your mom about something your sibling might or might not have done.
      A childish ploy to divert attention is what I’m hinting at.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Great analogy! Too bad our federal gov’t fell for it!! They are NOT children!!
        Oy Vey!

        • ExCult.Jan

          We don’t actually know the FBI fell for anything, other than agreeing to be present. May have been an opportunity for an ‘inside’ perspective.

  • chukicita

    Thank you, Meryl Streep.

    • Frodis73

      She is so awesome!

  • daisy

    If Streep*s speech ends up on FB, or other mediums watch it . It is important.

    • Liberated

      It sure is.

  • FredEX2

    O/T But Meryl Steep…who just won the Cecille B DeMille Lifetime Achievement Award….just gave one of the most eloquent speeches I have ever heard. I feel edified just to have heard it. I hope y’all have the privilege to listen to what she said in her acceptance speech tonight at the Golden Globe awards. It’s probably going to be all over the news and media in about 5 minutes. What class and profound integrity she has.

    Oh! And she’s NOT a Scientologist.

  • Liberated

    Just curious guys..has the Donald started to tweet about Meryl yet?
    Has he called her a big phony yet?

    • Frodis73

      I am sure he will very soon…

    • daisy

      He may not, she did not mention him by name. He didn*t feel that tingle in his pants whenever his name is mentioned good, or bad.

      • Liberated

        He knows that was meant for him.
        I’m thinking he’s collecting himself and his one dimensional mind, cause Streep is serious and she’s a big deal and inmo he’s scared of her. He knows the ramifications of his response, no matter what he says it will come back at him.

        He is a whiny little bitch…and she just told the world!

        • Franklin Adams

          I haven’t heard the speech but if it was eloquent and consisted of vocabulary above the fifth grade level, he won’t be able to understand it.

          • Liberated

            Beauty for ashes posted it an hour ago….give it a listen.
            Yes, it is over his orange head.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Today is David Bowie’s birthday.
    I wonder if he knew that the CO$ has used his image to try and lure in meat bodies πŸ™
    (refresh)
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    • beauty for ashes

      jerks.

  • beauty for ashes

    New tech in cat therapy, slo mo kitty Capoeira. πŸ™‚

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztim0guu6HA

  • Jimmy3

    I dont trust actors, so i damn sure dont trust a legendary one like Meryl Streep. Shes lying.

    • RK

      She was lying about her feeling heartbroken when someone made fun of and demeaned a person with a physical handicap? Really?

      • Jimmy3

        I don’t know. I didn’t see it or hear what she said.

        • RK

          What she said was indeed EPIC.

          • Jimmy3

            EPIC lies.

            • daisy

              Here use my shovel.

            • What’sup

              Nicole Kidman can lie with a totally straight face. She hasn’t been able to move a muscle in it since 2002.

            • Liberated

              I don’t think you really mean that.

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t think either

            • RK

              You lie. Admittedly you didn’t even watch.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Hey she was EPIC !!

    • Frodis73

      πŸ™‚

    • Franklin Adams

      I trust actors. I tell ya who I don’t trust. Bee keepers. Anyone who willingly spends their time with millions of venomous stinging insects isn’t someone I want anywhere near me.

      ETA: If there was such a thing as a paper wasp, German Hornet or yellow jacket keeper, I’d be absolutely terrified of them.

      • Jimmy3

        I hate yellow jackets with a passion.

        • daisy

          But you are a spring , mustard yellow is your color. Make it work.

  • beauty for ashes

    Prezzies for y’all who asked. just bawled my eyes out. I know there are a few of us who carry disabilities here.
    Trust me Jimmy just wants Meryl’s dress and is jealous.
    <3<3<3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxyGmyEby40

    • daisy

      (((hugs and sweet bedtime dreams ))) love her

      • beauty for ashes

        (((hugs)))) back atcha smoochie!

    • Jimmy3

      Nice try. I already have that dress.

      • daisy

        …and you look damn good in it , do not listen to fly.It hugs your hips in just the right places

    • Liberated

      Thanks for that Beauty…I think you’re a beauty!

    • Eliza Doolittle

      She’s indeed ace.

      And the Trump voters slavering at the mouth that she’s:

      “An out of touch Hollywood millionaire”

      .. is just too much unadulterated irony for a Monday morning.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    According to Google maps, Sanderson & Cottonwood is only about 5 miles from Gold Base. HA!

    “The latest piece of its plan was designating an area where marijuana could be grown outdoors as west of Sanderson Avenue and north of Cottonwood Avenue in the city’s northwestern area. Outdoor cultivation
    is banned everywhere else in San Jacinto.” http://www.pe.com/articles/marijuana-822579-city-san.html
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d32801eb9eab4352cda8d3413e2e0743cf8077b8e9f2eb8c2e42fee67d393e8.png

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It all comes down to the pain that the CO$ inflicts on people. So sad.
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac1d3fc05741897053c9370545f03986f327786960d587dc6082d63150c2cfee.png

    • Newiga

      Go Larissa!

  • What’sup

    Has 2017 claimed it’s first victim? I just hearg that Country singer Carrie Something? Has drowned

    • Jimmy3

      Carrie Underwater?

      • What’sup

        Mother Fucker.

    • EmmaDaoust

      All I see is Carrie Underwood drowning in a sea of her pink ruffled gown that critics are criticizing.

      • What’sup

        That was the gag but Jimmy’s a gag wrecker.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I guess you have to wait ’til after he’s gone to bed.

        • Jimmy3

          I forgot that the wutang clam ain’t nothin to shuck wit

        • mockingbird

          Is that like a homewrecker ?

    • Kid Kat
      • What’sup

        No. It was a shitty attempt at humor.

  • Ha! Someone on the net seem to have an exploit that can crash my UmbraXenu Pi Apache server, and they’ve been trying it out from time to time over the last couple of days.

    Too bad for them that I have another Pi watching that Pi to see if it’s up. I wasn’t sure that it was a problem coming from the net until they crashed it right after the dynamic DNS had updated, thanks! (Translation: Until umbraxenu.no-ip.biz actually pointed to my new IP address and server, they had no target. The second it did, *bang* That probably rules out incidence and coincidence.)

    Note to attacker: Please keep at it, I want to get a capture of that in Wireshark.

    • keep me updated

    • Is it the SIGUSR1 in the error.log?

      • Nope. Whatever it is will probably need a capture in Wireshark from another box.

  • Jack99

    So, it’s Monday. LAPD, where’s Shelly?

    • YOU DON’T HAVE F*CKING RANK TO ASK THAT QUESTION!!!!

      Wait, You do.

      Ummmmm….

    • Marc Watt

      Seriously. Does anyone know?

  • Eliza Doolittle

    Super Sarah Silverman tweeting about Leah’s show too..

    https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/818345701763477505

  • Under the Radar

    Sounds like the FBI has been doing “muzzled TR’s” at the church of Scamonology!

  • Bert Allen

    Rod–Thank you for the Tampa FBI story. SA Conde-Vasquez answers to your questions were intentionally vague, but general accurate. She is right that each specific set of facts must be evaluated and applied to the specific elements of the criminal statute. What she failed to do was to provide you with the elements of the statute. After a quick review of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act I found most of the Act has to do with international cooperation in combating human trafficking, rather than defining the actual crime. However, the following does appear to be the basis of the crime:

    “(B) the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery.” It needs further refinement with legal definitions of “involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery.”

    We all believe that the COS Sea Org meets the elements of this crime, but the constitutional protection of religion as acted as an effective buffer from prosecution. It will likely continue to do so.

    In one area SA Conde-Vasquez was deliberately inaccurate, which was when she said that it is FBI policy to neither confirm or deny the existence of any FBI investigation. In fact that policy applies only to active investigations. The head of an FBI Field Office or his/her designees are allowed to comment on closed cases and cases that have resulted in arrest, indictment, and/or prosecution if they choose to do so. I doubt SA Conde-Vasquez was authorized to talk about any investigation of the COS past or present at the time of your call.

    Finally, and this is where the COS appears to have defeated the FBI’s due diligence before authorizing SA Conde-Vasquez to speak, is by changing the name of the front group from Youth for Human Rights to United for Human Rights. I am reasonably sure that Youth for Human Rights is in the FBI databases as a COS sponsored group, but that United for Human Rights was not. You can be sure that oversight has been remedied. And perhaps an order has gone out to update the list of groups affiliated with the COs

  • Meek Chirps

    Having an FBI agent speak before a Scientology org would obviously be monumentally symbolic and something the Church of Scientology could point to if it is faces public or legal charges of human trafficking in the future.

    So it’s a Good Thing the agent cancelled her appearance.

    But what would have been _GREAT_ is if this FBI agent did some research into the human trafficking claims made against the Church of Scientology and subverted the Scientology front group in her speech by issuing pointed definitions of what constitutes human trafficking – definitions that point specifically to practices of the Church of Scientology – without mentioning the Church or any organization specifically.

    I’d say the audience would break into a collective sweat with men loosening their ties for relief and such, but it’s probably the case that they’d call upon their β€œbull baiting” training so that her “data” would have absolutely no effect on them or their thetans or their “meat bodies.”

    So it’s a Good Thing the agent cancelled her appearance.

    https://youtu.be/KOd__GJLeCs

    https://youtu.be/JM2SanSKk9c

    https://youtu.be/X4tSTocWqjc

    https://youtu.be/Pips5SWP6BY

  • denise

    You would think the Stars Wars Conglomerate would like to be aware that their “trademarked” Star Wars product is being used to enhance Scientology and photos are being shared publicly of this deed….

  • Marc Watt

    Are these people that stupid? Really