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At an early age, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard learned how to captivate the press

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[L. Ron Hubbard in Guam]

Our helper who tracks down newspaper clippings about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology continues to find rare gems for us, and we thought we’d share another one with you today.

And the lesson we couldn’t help taking from today’s item is how much better Hubbard was with self-promotion than Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. At a very early age, Hubbard learned how to get a newspaper’s interest, and how much the press of the time was willing to go along with a tale of adventure.

In 1927, L. Ron Hubbard was a 16-year-old high school student in Montana who managed to get a local paper, the Helena Daily Independent, interested in what he had done that summer.

Hubbard was born in Tilden, Nebraska on March 13, 1911, but he spent some of his childhood in Washington D.C. and then Washington state, first in Bremerton where he was a high school freshman in 1925, and then as a sophomore in a school across the Sound in Seattle in 1926.

In April 1927, Hubbard’s father, Navy lieutenant Harry Hubbard, was assigned to Guam. So that summer Hubbard and his mother sailed to the Pacific island, stopping at many places along the way. When Hubbard returned, he went to Montana, where his maternal grandparents lived. And as Hubbard’s junior year began at Helena High School, he managed to get the Daily Independent interested in an account of his travels.

 
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The Helena Daily Independent
October 3, 1927

Ronald Hubbard Tells of His Trip to Orient and Many Experiences

Ronald Hubbard, son of Lieutenant and Mrs. H. R. Hubbard, and grandson of Mr. and Mrs. L. O. Waterbury, 736 Fifth avenue, enjoyed a trip to the orient last summer with his parents who are now located at Guam, M. I., naval base. Ronald is a pupil at Helena high school, having returned from Guam the first of September to stay with his grandparents. Lieutenant and Mr. Hubbard visited in Helena last summer a year ago while Mr. Hubbard was on furlough before being sent to Guam.

Ronald has kept a complete diary of his trip in which he visited the Hawaiian islands, Philippines, China, Japan, Guam and the small island of Wake. While in China he witnessed an execution, which was possible through a naval officer with whom Hubbard had become friendly.

Last night, in speaking of his trip, Ronald said:

“We left San Francisco, April 30, on an oriental liner for the Hawaiian islands and from there we sailed for the orient.

 
Visits Philippines

“We visited the Philippine islands, where we spent two days. The Army and Navy club is the big center of attraction for visitors. I went into the inland country to see the natives in their homes. Some till farms but the greatest occupation is the preparation of copra, which is the meat of the cocoanut dried and broken into small pieces. The natives cut the cocoanuts from the trees with a bolo, an instrument resembling a huge butcher knife. They also use these in eating their food and in olden times they were the chief weapon of defense.

 
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15-Minute Snakes

“There are five old forts in one group each connected with the other by underground tunnels. The tunnels are said to be filled with gold and other precious stones. The gold is perfectly safe for the tunnels are alive with small snakes, known as 15 and 20-minute snakes, the time necessary for the bite to become fatal. Many natives have attempted to secure the valuables but none ever came out alive.

 
Celebrate Imperial Day

“In China we saw many interesting sights. Hong Kong appears very much British on the surface but one need not go far to see the Chinese customs in evidence. China was celebrating Imperial day when we arrived, the ships in the Hong Kong harbor were gaily decorated and flags were flying. Three or four regiments of British soldiers were drilling on the drill grounds.

“Perhaps the cultivation of the hillsides was the most interesting sight in Japan. Hills that appeared to be almost 90 per cent grade are terraced and 10 to 20 people live from production on half an acre of land.

 
Earthquake Ruins

“The harbor of Yokohama showed evidence of the earthquake. Two forts at the mouth of Yokohoma harbor, in which 2,700 were killed in the earthquake are now in ruins. One is being rebuilt. Guns can be seen protruding through the debris and beneath hundreds of bodies are still buried. One of the ports was built on a submerging plan and was never seen above the ground until the earthqake forced it up and then shook it to ruins. Our ship was met by a submarine chaser, torpedo boats and airplanes, which was none too pleasant for those on board.

 
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[Photo of Guam youths by Hubbard]

 
Guam Interesting Place

“Guam is under an autocratic government and the marines conduct the martial law. This place is excedingly hot but beautiful. The natives engage in copra production while some corn is grown. The intense heat and moisture make the island very productive, many crops maturing in a month’s time.

“While with my parents in Guam I taught school for about a month. It was a good experience and in my opinion an adventure. The natives were none too easy to handle and I would not care to continue as a teacher there.

 
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[Hubbard’s class]

 
Birds are Friendly

“We stopped at Wake island, which is 1,000 miles from no where. There are no inhabitants on the island and very little vegetation. There are, however, beautiful tropical birds and they have no fear of people. They flew onto the boat and we could walk up to their nests on the island and touch the mother birds. The water around Wake island is a deep blue and one can see down in the water for 60 feet. It gives you a sort of gruesome feeling to see the huge fish swimming around the sea plants on the bottom.”

Ronald Hubbard has the distinction of being the only boy in the country to secure an eagle scout badge at the age of 12 years. He was a boy scout in Washington, D. C., before coming to Helena.

 
We’re trying to imagine what it must have been like for the other students at Helena High School to see a story like this about the new guy at the beginning of the 1927 school year. We have to assume that a few of the boys wanted to take a swing at the smug redhead with his tales of poisonous snakes guarding buried treasure.

And Hubbard couldn’t help himself with that brag at the end of the story about being the only 12-year-old eagle scout in the country. In fact, he did become an eagle scout on April 1, 1924 when he was but 13 years of age. But Hubbard’s claim, repeated by the church, that he held the record as the youngest ever eagle scout in history has never been backed up by the Boy Scouts themselves. In 1986, the BSA issued an official response about the claim, writing, “we do not keep record of who was the youngest eagle scout.”

Still, you have to give Hubbard credit for the way he was trying to build his legend in the press while at the same time his actual bona fides were less than impressive. As we reported last year based on documents first dug up by researcher R.M. Seibert, Hubbard’s high school grades in Bremerton and Seattle were mediocre, and his record at Helena High was even worse.

Despite some decent grades in English and History in the fall semester, Hubbard lost interest in the spring, and in both subjects he was barely above failing. On May 11, 1928, he was expelled for bad grades, and so ended Hubbard’s high school career. (He would go on to flunk out of George Washington University in Washington D.C. in 1932 after three semesters of work.)

After his Helena High debacle, Hubbard went back to Guam that year, where his mother attempted to give him the schooling he would need in lieu of a senior year of high school. Hubbard also jumped at the chance to take a trip to China in 1928 where he was mostly unimpressed with the sights and with the people. “They smell of all the baths they didn’t take,” he wrote in his journal. “The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.”

But if Hubbard was candid in his personal journal, he’d already learned how to tell a pretty story to newspapers, and it would continue to serve him for years to come.

 
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  • Graham

    “how much better Hubbard was with self-promotion than Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige.”

    Unfortunately for Slappy Dave, unlike Hubbard he has the internet to contend with. Most attempts at self-promotion these days swiftly become disastrous foot-bullets as they give one more excuse for critics to give the true story (Yesterday’s story being but one example).

  • salin

    Tall tales tumbled out as the teenager talked. I would guess that before easy access to media from across the globe, even exagerated stories seemed – perhaps fathomable… nah, or… really, Mr Reporter for the Helena Daily Independent?

    I offer you this *real natural phenomena* as an alternative to ponder. The ‘Super Moon’ ala Central Park http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=130726&PHPSESSID=8m0i1ok6i595n5ugd1m97tc777

    Good Morning Bunkeroos!

    • Peter

      Those sorts of tall tales were extremely common for the time. And small town Helena, Montana in 1925 would have had a very small town newspaper eager for any offbeat bits of “news”. And there was no reliable way to quickly check facts. Back then, such places as Guam and China were not very “real” to US readers, especially in small town. Most of the local population would never have traveled beyond the town itself in all of their lives. Even today, while 4th in size, Montana is 44th in population.

      • salin

        I debated with both (good explanation for my first response), but this was from a kid – 15 minute snakes and no one ever made it out alive – seems a bit credulous. However, given how you fleshed out the first (lack of access to broader information), I’ll give Mr. Reporter the benefit of the doubt.

    • LongtimeLurker
      • Graham

        DON’T DO THIS! Johnny Tank’s going to take this as a challenge and we all know what that means!

        • LongtimeLurker

          But I’ve already got the next 3 images ready.

          Johnny Tank’s ass is not my problem.

          Well…I mean…it’s all of The Bunker’s problem, obviously…

          • thetastic

            There is no problem with Johnny’s ass.

    • Princess Squishy

      Here’s the picture I took of the Super Moon last night at 99.6% full. West of Nashville
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a327575e05e6a0f229d41e5b0e0ba02763eff9da57e342ac4fb3e2bc0410e05d.jpg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    He had already embarked on his career of telling a mixture of truth and lies.
    The proportion of truth to fable shifted significantly later, but the traces of his
    lurid pulp fiction and his obsession with buried gold are already present.

    Plain old reality must have always been too boring for him.
    His casual disregard for truth and delight in making himself seem more than
    he actually was was built into his bones.

    Beautiful find.
    TY

  • Graham

    [Off topic but somewhat relevant to Scientology]

    Just as Scientologists are taught to mis-read the side effects of a niacin overdose as ‘proof’ that toxins are being released, here’s the tragic story of someone who believed that bruises resulting from ‘therapeutically’ applied physical assault “indicated that a lot of “sha” or poisoned blood and toxins had been released”. Sadly the woman died, presumably from a combination of physical assault and discontinuing her meds in favour of this fake ‘cure’.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/three-people-arrested-after-diabetic-grandmother-dies-following-chinese-slap-treatment/ar-AAkfMTk?ocid=spartanntp

    • ‘Hopi ear candling’ routinely damages eardrums, and displays ‘toxins’ supposedly trapped in the spent wax. There are many variations on this idea, which were circulating in the cultic milieu at the time that Hubbard was formulating Scientology.

      PS: I bet Miscavige would be interested in the claim of therapeutic punching.

      • Graham

        I’ve been around New Age/Alternative stuff for ages but this “Chinese” slapping one is new to me. I wonder if it really is a thing or if it’s just something these bozos have made up?

        • MarcabExpat

          Not part of traditional chinese medicine, in fact I have never heard of any of that stuff. {I edit TCM articles and work with TCM writers.)

          {Edit, hit the button too soon –) The story says the Chinese guy has been prosecuted for propagating fake cures, so I guess this would be another one.

        • There’s innovation, even in the world of woo-woo. Incredibly, the paida lajin method seems to have been recently made up by one Xiao Hongchi who presents himself as a “Chinese Therapist”. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-32545591

          He has been questioned by police investigating the unexplained death of a seven-year-old Sydney boy who had earlier been taken to one of his workshops.

          At best it’s… well… harmful (obviously) At worst, it strikes me that it can get out of hand (especially when run by copycat con artists who are enjoying the opportunity to literally beat their marks).Bruising an elderly diabetic who is off her medication is asking for trouble.

          The BBC describes claims that this procedure can treat:

          […] colds, body pains, Alzheimer’s, strokes, paralysis, kidney failure and even cancer and autism.

          For example, Mr Xiao recommends getting autistic children to engage in “group slapping games” and hit one another on their limbs, head, hands and feet.

          “Do not panic seeing colourful patches of sha, lumps and swelling at the slapped areas. These are good healing reactions,” his site states.

          His site also carries testimonials from parents claiming they had slapped their children – including infants – and healed them of fevers, bronchitis and stomach flu.

          It seems to be a characteristic of this kind of extreme therapy (like the bleach-drinking Genesis II Church) that treatments are often inflicted on people who can’t refuse to participate.

          Edit: his videos are a typical ‘faith healing circus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dors2_5Jq6U

          • MarcabExpat

            Sounds to me like a certain Hungarian’s take on TR bullbaiting.

            • Quite. Take one aspect of an established system out of context (in this case “sha”) and run with it.

              As you can see from the video I added above, the rest is show biz. I wonder if that is inspired by US faith healers (right down to the use of a stooge).

              The only other thing you seem to need to enter this lucrative field is desperate people who will try it out or (as is more likely in this case) inflict it on someone who can’t resist.

              This guy needs to undertake his own ‘therapy’ on a regular basis.

          • Graham

            Just don’t let “Slappy” Dave Miscavige know about this!

          • LHS (Nasty Woman)

            “His site also carries testimonials from parents claiming they had slapped their children – including infants – and healed them of fevers, bronchitis and stomach flu.”

            Wow, that’s a textbook example of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. Bronchitis and stomach flu are usually viral and so they’ll go away on their own in an otherwise healthy person.

      • chukicita

        There is nothing Hopi about ear candling. I’ve seen it attributed to Mayans, Egyptians and other brown people, too. Nope.

        • Well, that’s what they call it here. i suppose that for different times and different cultures, con artists appeal to different faux ‘ancient wisdom’.

          • chukicita

            There’s probably some kind of relationship between the culture to which the quackery is attributed and its distance from where the con artist is standing.

            EDIT: As the character of Philbert’s Aunt Harriet says to him in the film Pow Wow Highway, ‘I get sick of being asked… for good old Indian wisdom. I’ve got none. So get the hell out of here!’

  • madge filpot

    You sure can see Quentin and Archie in the young LRH.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Any photos of hubbard with the Blackfoot Indians? After all, he spent like 200 years living with them, right?

    • PickAnotherID
    • LongtimeLurker

      Actually, they didn’t exist as a tribe until they met him.

      He was even the one who named them “Blackfoot”, iirc.

      Also, I think he made the Grand Canyon.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Maybe ‘blackfoot’ was the injury he sustained during the war – that he cured himself of with dianetics..?

        • ze moo

          I fixed my own medical problem just like Lron did. I stopped walking down freshly tarred roads in my bare feet.

      • Princess Squishy

        that last part is true. See he had held his pee for a very long time, and when he finally had a chance to go he peed so hard and so long the grand canyon appeared…

  • Observer

    I can’t bring myself to read juvenile Lafayette’s lies so early. Maybe after a gallon or so more of coffee.

    • Peter

      Or, perhaps, something a tad stronger, Obs?

    • LongtimeLurker

      I watched Westworld.

      : o

      • Observer

        IKR?!

        • LongtimeLurker

          r!

  • BosonStark

    What’s Miscavige going to write about to self-promote? Being short, his asthma attacks, or the joy of expensive shoes? Miscavige exists to promote Hubbard and Sciloontology.

    Maybe some kids in Hubbard’s high school didn’t read the Helena newspaper. Although it seems like the school newspaper would have done an article on the article in the local newspaper. If they did read it, or their parents called their attention to it, I think it would make Hubbard unapproachable, exotic, and out of the realm of the experiences of local kids. Ditto for the scout thing. Even today it would be exotic for a kid to have done all that.

    Other tales Hubbard made up, and just the way he acted was probably enough to turn off a lot of kids. He would be just too different to fit in.

    • PickAnotherID

      Telling stories like that was a good way to get yourself pulverized at the high school I went to.

      • An article in a newspaper, in those days appeared for one day and was very difficult to retrieve afterwards. I doubt kids at his school were aware of it.

        The attitude of smug superiority that it reveals (combined with the evidence of continuous academic failure) however, was probably more than enough to make him unpopular.

        I’m betting that High School is where he developed the insecurity about fighting revealed in his ‘affirmations’.

    • salin

      DM: The biggest being on the prison planet.

      That’s a pretty tall tale.

      • BosonStark

        It’s Tom Cruise who said Miscavige is the biggest bean, following Hubbard. David Miscavige has never talked about going to Venus or his past lives. He has a paramilitary of people under him who consider him to be the biggest bean because he is holds the most responsibility for keeping the scam going. Miscavige’s tall tales are all about the importance and spread of Scientology, and responsibility of and praising the efforts of all Scientologists to do it, including those who give the most money.

        • salin

          True. With the spice of the literary styling of Sherman as the lies slip from his lips.

        • And his only power over Scientology itself is to advance those aspects of Hubbard’s output which suit his purposes and suppress the parts which don’t

          He may have been distracted by all of the stuff that has become downright embarrassing since it was written – e.g. the racism, misogyny and homophobia. The references to using powerful drugs in ‘dianetic therapy’, Piltdown Man, schoolboy howlers about radiation… and so on and so forth.

          This is why he’s effectively abandoned the practice of Scientology in favour of ‘statuses’. All he understands is the ‘statistic’ of money coming in. He does not understand his own con. Having lived it, he probably takes it seriously, and it doing his best to apply it.

          • BosonStark

            I agree. Miscavige is using everything he can, and he has “discovered” that making whales feel important and great, because they are dumping millions on Scientology believing it is mankind’s only hope, and that they are transforming civilization is the best thing he can do for stats.

            With money coming in like that, why bother thinking too hard about whether Hubbard’s dated baloney works, or worrying about people who are harmed by it? It’s like asking a drug cartel boss to stop doing what they’re doing because drugs are addictive and harmful. Many drug dealers avoid using drugs for that reason, and it can be why Miscavige avoids doing Scientology — it can’t help him. He may have enjoyed using for a while, but selling it is his power now.

            • Luckily, these efforts and his apparent implicit belief has blinded him to the collapse in recruitment, which must be bringing the organisation very close to a tipping point (if it’s not already past).

              He seems to be totally unaware of the greatest existential threat to the CofS because he is spending his time approving the design of weird, huge, bowling trophies.

            • Graham

              Re-arranging the deck-chairs on the Titanic.

            • And concentrating so hard on getting the patterns lined up that you haven’t even noticed the ship is sinking.

  • Narapoid

    ““While with my parents in Guam I taught school for about a month. It was a good experience and in my opinion an adventure. The natives were none too easy to handle and I would not care to continue as a teacher there…”

    He must have gone past a misunderstood word.

    Is this article not part of the LRH life exhibit?

    • LongtimeLurker

      They’d have to make up lies edit or redact that last sentence. Not only does it show his failings, but it’s kinda racist.

      Maybe…””The indigenous children were quick studies, and I would happily have continued as a teacher there.”

      • Whereas we can guess the reality

        Those kids were smart and motived. They grabbed the opportunity for an education with both hands. Consequently, they spotted I was an ignorant, immature, phoney straight off, and rang rings around me.

        • LongtimeLurker

          “…and ran rings around me. At which point I faked an injury and refused to return to the school house. I eventually made myself feel somewhat better by kicking a dog.”

          • I’m surprised that experience didn’t appear in his ‘affirmations’

            Children love and admire me. The bad names they have called me in the past, and their refusal to do what I tell them, or to take me seriously, was the result of [racist nonsense]

            Typically, he doubled down on this experience by going from ‘teaching’ to ‘lecturing’ – although by the time he got the ‘lectures’ a kind of ‘perfect storm’ had elevated him to his desired status, as a guru, and the rest is history.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You’re scary good at fake Hubbard affirmations.

            • I am not bad at fake Hubbard affirmations. My fake Hubbard affirmations are admired by the public, literary critics and especially women. One day my fake Hubbard affirmations will bring me the fame, fortune and universal admiration that I undoubtedly deserve.

              What? It’s worth a try!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Genius!

            • ze moo

              I hear Brietbart is looking for a new CEO?

    • chukicita

      I am laughing so hard imagining a classroom of Chamorro kids with a snot-nosed teenage white kid with a superiority complex “teaching” them anything.

  • Peter

    The writing reads like a collation of facts about things, places and people, taken from a thesaurus. Single comments about a lot of things. His adventures “into the jungles” were very spare, to say the least. As for his racial comments, it’s hardly surprising and very much “in” for the times. Many Brits are, to this day, very down on those of colour and “chinks” was a very common term in the US, as well.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Sure, he may have simply been a product of his times.

      But Scientology claims that Hubbard was highly advanced, and morally superior. Also, “mankind’s greatest friend”.

      Personally I think it’s important to reiterate this stuff, despite it being commonplace for the era.

      Because it shows that Hubbard was merely ordinary (if that) and he was really only “white-man-with-money’s greatest friend”.

  • Hubbard’s tendency to report wild stories (the treasure guarded by snakes) and to dramatise things that people actually took for granted (the Naval escort story) is clear here. Also his self-aggrandisement. I doubt he taught in the local school, and the ‘eagle scout’ story has already been debunked.

    The interesting thing is that his prose in the article is simple and clear (assuming it was not edited by the paper), Over the years, the faults he had already exhibited grew more extreme, but the writing did not improve. Buried under all his fiction and pronouncements about Scientology is a high school kid writing a term paper at the last possible moment.

    His prose changed as it was loaded down with wilder fantasy in his pulp fiction days, then even more as he presented fantasy as reality in dianetics, and let loose his invented persona as ‘universal genius with the common touch’. However, it actually got worse – and worse yet when he had to resort to obscurity to hide the gaping holes in is arguments.

    After that, he didn’t improve his vocabulary – just invented new words. He didn’t learn much about grammar – just put ‘ness’ on the end of a lot a words. He never learned humility – his self-presentation soured to such heights that you either had to acknowledge as a modern Da Vinci, or dismiss his claims as the product of a mental illness.

    Crucially, he never studied any subject in depth and consequently never learned to formulate or present a valid, consistent argument. Almost all of his claims that can be objectively assessed (e.g. his ‘teachings’ about radiation) are superficial and full of schoolboy howlers.

    This is a man who never developed intellectually since he wrote that newspaper article. All his life, he remained a poor high-school student who was convinced he was something special and refused to work at learning, because he quite seriously thought that he already knew it all.

    • Graham

      “he never studied any subject in depth” Apart from hypnotism. Oh and, much less effectively, ritual masturbation.

      • i think he kept a sticky diary

        • salin

          ew.

          • Scott H

            ew…with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters

    • kemist

      Ah yes, that’s it. The cringe-worthy self-important prose, the nonsensical deductions.

      High school level writing.

      That’s what it feels it reading that man’s dreck.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      The snake story may come from his time spent with ‘Snake’ Thompson a few years earlier.
      (possibly – maybe – who knows)

      • ‘Snake’ Thompson was (as far as I know) an unidentified Naval Officer so called because he bore a tattoo of a snake.

        This is not a normal naming convention in naval circles – they tend to confer nicknames for more varied and idiosyncratic reasons. It sounds far more like a lazy pulp writer trying to give a cardboard character an dramatic name.

        Mind you, he might have been known as “Two-minute Snake,” for humiliating personal reasons, explaining another aspect of the story.

        When you add the fact Commander Thompson was supposed to have studied with Freud, and educated the young Hubbard on the subject of psychoanalysis (which was still taken seriously, back then) he sounds even less credible.

        If he existed at all, he was likely a bored officer who tried to entertain the young Hubbard and inadvertently became part of Hubbard’s self-generated personal myth.

        • Eivol Ekdal
          • An interesting man – who derived his nickname from his expert status regarding snakes.

          • grundoon

            Yes, that’s him. A real person. A herpetologist, explorer, spy…

        • Kyva Go

          According to Jon Atack:
          “Russell Miller found the logs of the ship that took a young Hubbard and
          Commander “Snake” Thompson through the Panama Canal, in 1923.” http://tonyortega.org/2015/06/06/jon-atack-the-getting-clear-conference-and-l-ron-hubbards-lies-about-his-life/
          “Miller found such delightful details as the ship’s log showing that Hubbard really was aboard a ship with Commander “Snake” Thompson when he was 12 years old (quite rare for a Hubbard story to check out, actually, though many were vastly exaggerated from real events).” http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/10/laying-to-rest-the-obfuscations-of-l-fletcher-prouty-scientologys-conspiracist-for-hire/

          Looking at your review of Miller’s “Bare-Faced Messiah” on your site I don’t see you dispute this. Here’s the excerpt from his book:
          “In October 1923, Lieutenant Hubbard completed sea duty on the USS
          Oklahoma and, after brief spells of temporary duty in San Francisco and New York, was assigned for further training to the Bureau of Supply and Accounts School of Application in Washington DC. The US Navy, which clearly despised any form of land transport, saved itself the cost of two long-distance train fares by giving May and Ron berths on the USS U.S. Grant, a German warship acquired by the US Navy after the First World War, which was due to sail from Seattle to Hampton Roads, Virginia, via the Panama Canal. It was thus December, and the snow was thick on the ground, before the Hubbards were re-united in Washington after a voyage of some seven thousand miles, three-quarters of the way round the coast of the United States. It was on this trip, it seems, that Ron met the enigmatic Commander ‘Snake’ Thompson of the US Navy Medical Corps, a psychoanalyst he would later claim was responsible for awakening his youthful interest in Freud, although he only made the briefest mention of the journey in his journal.”

          • The Commander may have been real. However, Hubbard’s version of him, and his mentoring was likely fantasy.

    • Scott H

      Powerful summation Once, well done.

    • grundoon

      Either this was the best writing L. Ron Hubbard did in his whole life, or the newspaper editor gave it a thorough scrubbing.

      Interesting that he was already false-attesting to Eagle Scout so early in his career.

      • Upon reflection, you have to wonder what the original read like.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      your last paragraph? gee, i wonder what dm and tc revere hubbard!… 3 peas in a pod!

  • Sarcasmo

    (Off Topic, but immediately thought of $cientology when I just read this)

    I gave up on watching ‘The Walking Dead,’ but after investing in a few seasons I still keep up with it by reading reviews. This is the first paragraph from The A.V. club review of last night’s episode. Immediately reminded me of DLHMM.

    “Here’s how abuse works: you don’t just hit them because you can. I mean, yeah, you do—and you hit them again, and again, and you find new ways to hit them, until the only time they really feel comfortable is when you’re hitting them because at least then they know what’s going on. But the trick is to convince them they deserve what they’re getting. Everyone wants to believe they’re in control of their situation, that the actions they take will protect them and the people they love. Everyone wants to believe they can stand up to the monsters trying to keep them down. So what you do is, you twist that. You take every opportunity to remind your victim that every punch, every slap, every kick, every sneer and stab and drop of blood, is a direct result of their own willful disobedience. You bear down and you smile like you’re a reasonable man, and you lie through your teeth. You tell them that it’s their fault for having a soul, and you keep cutting off pieces of what they have left until they believe it. The hitting is the fun part, but it’s not the part that stays with them. It’s the silence afterwards that lingers.”

    • PickAnotherID

      Sounds like some writers have been reading up on Hubbard and DM.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Okay…this is weird.

      About halfway through the second episode of this season of Walking Dead I found myself really distressed by Negan, the new villain.

      He’s a gleeful sociopath, who has constructed a shaky, false situation that is propped up by the fear of his subordinates, who in turn bully those below them.

      His group (called “The Saviours”) has a hierarchy that you must progress up, each level offering greater rewards (although actually the rewards are pathetic to the characters who know the outside world).

      He’s also vain, and arguably has manhood issues.

      Obviously my discomfort was because he reminded me of all the stories we’ve heard about Miscavige.

      I started taking notes on Negan’s behaviour and on “The Saviours”.

      I stopped when after only a few episodes I was up to a couple of thousand words.

      Because what the hell am I going to do with it? The longest comment in Bunker history? Send it to a Walking Dead fansite?

      Anyway – the main takeaway I got from all that is;

      A) Robert Kirkman (Walking Dead’s creator) almost certainly had in his own life a life a narcissistic, sadistic, sociopath that he based Negan on.

      …or…

      B) He reads The Bunker and just ripped-off Miscavige and Scientology for Negan and The Saviours.

      It’s eerie,and makes the show quite hard for me to watch.

      And I’ve never even met Miscavige.

      • Hubbard and Miscavige are not unique. Once you recognise this pattern, you will see it all over the place – business, politics – and yes, religion. Any social situation where people can gain power without responsibility, in fact.

        The ‘glorious leaders’ don’t have to have psychopathic tendencies, either (although it helps). Power corrupts the best of us.

        Ex-Scientologists often seem to come to this realisation from those particular examples – they proceed from the particular to the general – and I think it’s healthy to acknowledge that, even in this, Scientology is nothing special. It’s just an extreme example of a universal phenomenon..

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah. I put A) first because I think that’s the most likely. Kirkman has a relative or once worked with someone on whom he based Negan.

          Or he just read a book on it.

          • That the great thing about good fiction – it reveals universal truth in the course of a compelling story. The source of the required insight does’nt really matter, as long as you get it right.

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s the writer in me. I just wanna know.

              But I can live without it.

            • The literary critic in you wants to know. Ignore him. Life’s too short. Let the writer in you learn from it instead. Then write something 🙂

        • MarcabExpat

          Wonderfully put. Scientology just copyrighted and name-branded its own flamboyant flavor of the same old evil.

      • Chee Chalker

        All I know is that if Carl and Darryl don’t cut their hair soon, I am going to have a nervous breakdown

        • LongtimeLurker

          lol.

          Although Daryl looks much better with shorter hair, I can almost handle his look…

          But migodyeah, Carl needs to do something.

          Actually, something just occurred to me – they might be saving it for when Rick’s group eventually decides to fight back and they have the inevitable gearing-up scene…and Carl can shave his head!

          …maybe…

          • Chee Chalker

            I read a review of last night’s episode where the author said Carl’s hair was a villain equal to Negan.

            I would think in post apocalyptic world, shorter hair would be easier to manage.

            Carl always looks like he is just back from a blowout at the salon.

            I like your theory though…..Carl loses his mind and does a Rambo, starting with shaving his head….I could get behind that.

            I’m not opposed to men with long hair, but those two look ridiculous.

    • FredEX2

      Beyond sick…the musings of a sociopath.

  • George M. White

    Thanks to whoever dug up this information.
    Hubbard was average and that is probably what he was trying to hide
    with Scientology. The Hub really never even got the occult straight. His
    High School pattern followed him his whole life. You end up with OT
    levels that do not work, and a religion carved from nonsense.

    • PickAnotherID

      “Hubbard was average…”

      Anathama to $cientology, and probably giving him too much credit.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah. I think he was noticeably below average in many ways.

        (edit – ironically, I spelled “noticeably” wrong.)

        • Graham

          “Appears mental”.

          • LongtimeLurker

            The FBI agent who wrote that deserves a medal.

        • Princess Squishy

          Upvote for your edit 🙂

    • ze moo

      If Hubs was ‘average’ how did anyone pass High School in those days?

      • George M. White

        I’m way below average. I can’t figure out what you said.

  • PickAnotherID

    The gold is perfectly safe for the tunnels are alive with small snakes, known as 15 and 20-minute snakes, the time necessary for the bite to become fatal.

    Bull. I was stationed in the Philippines and, depending on where you are on the islands, what they’ve got are King Cobras, three kinds of Spitting Cobra, a variety of lance-head pit vipers, coral snakes, and a variety of Sea Snakes. The colors on the Sea Snakes is really vivid when scuba diving.

    And no one called any of them “15 and 20-minute snakes”. A couple of the pit-vipers were know as, “1 steppers and 2 steppers”, but that’s not the same.

    • Chee Chalker

      Note to self: skip the Philippines

      • PickAnotherID

        Great place for scuba diving. Some of the clearest water in the world. Aside from sea snakes, I only saw one snake the entire 3 years I was there. They pretty much keep to themselves, just don’t go wandering around in the jungle areas without a guide.

    • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

      My grandfather was born and lived in China until right after the end of WWII. He told me that one variety of venomous snake found therein was known as the coffin snake, as the only thing to do for someone bitten by one of them was to measure them for their coffin. The 15 and 20 minutes snakes is jus typical LRH bullcrap.

    • dungeon master

      Hopefully the tunnels are also alive with rats, so the 15 and 20 minute snakes don’t need to venture out for food..

  • I don’t see any reason that a liner or even a navy supply ship would be visiting Wake Island in 1927. There doesn’t seem to have been a permanent presence on the island until 1935.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Island

    I suspect he read accounts of the 1924 Tanager Expedition, and re-purposed them as his own.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanager_Expedition

    • PickAnotherID

      Sounds like Hubbard read about the Tanager expedition and “borrowed” their descriptions of things. Much like he later “borrowed” most of $cientology without crediting the real sources.

    • chukicita

      I thought that was a little odd, too. Perhaps he heard a tale from some old salt or crew member who had been there on one of the ships he traveled on, and made it his very own.

      • The Tanager Expedition was recent news while Hubbard was traveling. One of the ships he was on would have copies of the National Geographic to read.

        Wetmore, Alexander (July 1925). “Bird Life among Lava Rock and Coral Sand; Photographs Taken on a Scientific Expedition to Little-known Islands of Hawaii”. National Geographic. National Geographic Society. 48 (1): 76–108.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Observer
      • Sherbet

        Does this mean he was able to speak Japanese fluently, if it’s so easy and all?

        • Observer

          But of course! Master “goo goo ga ga” and you’re set!

          • Sherbet

            That’s all there is to it, just make some crude noises. Got it!

            • Observer

              But faintly

      • PickAnotherID

        Baka gaijin!

      • He did pick up on Cosplay in Japan, which was so useful for him during his Cecil Rhodes period.

      • LongtimeLurker

        That quote reveals he’s failed to even master English.

        “faint”? That word cannot be used there. It just can’t.

        What a ****ing racist wankpuffin.

      • I’ve found it fascinating that Japanese, and other like languages, are pictographic, rather than others (I don’t have the name for it…phonic?).
        The characters are pictures of things.
        Other languages, like English, use letters representing mouth sounds, combinations of which have come to represent ideas.
        The differences would certainly cause the brain to process information in very different ways.

        • MarcabExpat

          That’s just the writing systems, though, not the languages themselves. You can write in Chinese in Pinyin (a roman-alphabet system for Chinese) and you can create various glyph systems for the IE languages. There is some evidence that some types of learning may be influenced by an alphabetic language vs otherwise, but the language itself isn’t tied to that.

    • Sherbet

      Japan was always on my bucket list. Alas, I’m pretty sure I’ll never go.

    • LHS (Nasty Woman)

      Between these and Draco’s “after the storm” clouds photo, I feel like I’m getting some serious nature therapy reading the Bunker today. Lovely.

      Of course, I should still go outside and experience some actual nature today. That means autumn leaves and a blue sky where I am.

  • There has been an update regarding the Dutch Church which I think is worth commenting on. The building permit for remodeling their Ideal Org was approved in April and they just submitted another permit to install signage on the building. This means that building activity on the Ideal Org building in Amsterdam, purchased in 2013, is likely to commence in the near future.

    This is disappointing as I had hoped that the Amsterdam city bureaucracy would withhold the permit on the grounds of what is called the BIBOB law. To explain this law I have to take a sidestep to our nations liberal policies on things like prostitution and soft drugs. The idea behind such laws is that by (semi) legalizing these activities, they will move away from a criminal sphere of influence and do less damage to people as a result. In order to support that, they created a law that allows permits to be denied if there is a reasonable suspicion that a prostitution window, coffee shop or building project is about to be run by a criminal organisation. Since the BIBOB law was written up to be more generic, it applies not only to crooked pimps, dealers and builders, but also to criminogenic cults.

    So when the Church applied for a building permit in April 2014, I requested a BIBOB review to be done. Because I knew the review would come up empty if they would only look to traditional sources I attempted to forward a number of suggested sources to the Justice department that performs these reviews. These included the French justice department, my own little website (which has a page listing all public evidence that the cult routinely skirts the law) and Sektesignaal, a government funded support organization for victims of cults.

    Unfortunately, my attempt was not successful and the cult passed the BIBOB review. Last year, when they broadcasted the undercover footage of an eleven year old training to become an auditor, I requested a revisit but evidently that attempt also failed. At that time, they were still withholding the permit because they had requested additional documentation, presumably evidence that fundraising for the remodeling was nearing completion. Apparently, the Church was able to submit this documentation earlier this year and the recent signage permit request suggests that they may be close to a building start indeed.

    It’s rather a shame as I had good hopes that the Amsterdam city bureaucracy would take a hard look at the cult’s activities. They didn’t and therefor it seems Amsterdam might get its Ideal Org in a few years’ time.

    • Kestrel

      Thank you for your efforts.

    • Scott H

      Assuming, of course, that the cult lasts that long and the Dwarfenfurer opens his wallet, both of which are never a given.

    • Hamtaro

      The important thing is you did everything you could. Good work, SoS.

      • Thanks you Ham and all the other commentators for your kind words!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Hi Scam, I have messaged you about something off topic on an old comment 🙂

    • LongtimeLurker

      Great effort (efforts!) scamofscientology! Be proud.

      Is a “prostitution window” exactly what it sounds like?

      • Graham

        Yes!

        • LongtimeLurker

          I assumed as much.

        • Kestrel

          I wonder if they still have them in Ostend. They made quite an impression on me in my early teens.

          • Graham

            There was only the one street in Ostend. I knew a teacher who took a school party to the continent and they stopped off in Ostend for the night en route. He thought he’d take the kids for a walk round town before bed-time. Not knowing the place, of all the streets in Ostend he could have chosen, you can guess which one he accidentally lead them down!

            • Kestrel

              That’s pretty much what happened to me. My parents took us on a tour of western Europe by car in 1970. At one point we ferried over from England and stopped for the night in Ostend. Mom and Dad went off to a beer garden and we went exploring. My brother told my parents I spent my “souvenir” money on that street.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              So funny 😛

            • Kestrel

              Just for the record, I did not spend money on that street. I found a souvenir shop and bought a pennant or something equally cheesy.

            • Graham

              Yeah. Sure. Absolutely.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Heh 😀 Is your brother still a funny guy?

            • Kestrel

              Oh, yeah. I told him I was thinking about going to Europe soon and he brought up that street and my money.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I hope that will be via the UK? I know several of us would love to meet you 🙂

            • Kestrel

              I have a friend in Scotland I need to see and I want to watch my team, Everton, play at Goodison, so that’s a possibility.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Quick security question, Mister K 🙂 Have you contacted me outside the Bunker in the past 24 hours?

            • Kestrel

              Yes, I have.

    • Any attempt to stress them is vital.
      your website link?
      What is the address for this building?

    • Asillem4

      Is there anything stopping Twitter users from tagging top Amsterdam & specifically BIBOB reviewers with info on the abuses of the church? If anyone could find the proper Twitter handles.

    • That’s still a lot of excellent work, thanks for making the effort. The criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology uses fortunes on lobbying and sometimeses it pays off.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Wow! Sorry to hear your wonderful efforts did not stop it completely, but you’ve still created awareness and made a huge difference yourself. Thank you for all your hard work, time and effort! I have such respect for all you have done there. So many of us want to do something, ANYthing to make an impact but don’t have the opportunity or know where to even begin. Just know that your efforts are incredibly impressive and there are people who now know more and will question and hopefully pay closer attention to what they do there now because of the information you’ve shared. Thank you again!

    • Chewkacca

      Cheer up. When it does open, it will be empty. Even if we SPs do nothing, $cientology is sliding into the trash can of history. A true Ideal Org (per LRH) has 200 staff and is humming with activity. No Org anywhere in the world is humming. They are whimpering. WAAAUUGN!

    • Xenu’s son.

      Also true that with the amount of Scientologists in the Netherlands a two room office would be too big.From what I can tell about 130 active in the whole country.

    • Bob Crouch

      But if memory serves, at least the Dutch gov’t denied them religious status and/or tax exemption last year, did they not?

  • BosonStark

    During his two days in the Philippines, is this when he went hunting with Filipino pygmies, as he spoke about in a TV interview years afterward? None of the Mongolian bandits he slept with are talking about it either. Let’s face it, he was restrained in high school compared to what he would later become.

    The legendary exploits of L. Ron Hubbard needed a whole Nutterpedia, and that’s just what his cult produced, and his followers can’t get enough of this kind of stuff.

    • ze moo

      How many clams join the Explorers Club in honor of Lron? The best line from the Commander McBragg theme song, ‘In his world he is a King’. That reminds me of someone, I just can’t remember who.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTjtJ9Psgn0

    • dungeon master

      5 Bunker points for Nutterpedia.

  • ze moo

    Now, was that a 15 minute snake that bit me or a 20 minute snake? The difference is life and death.

    The Philippines are rife with buried treasure stories. People are still looking for things the Japanese stole during the war. Not surprising that Lron latched on them, or did he just make the whole thing up?

    Guam was under ‘under an autocratic government and the marines conduct the martial law.’ Well, duh?? It was the largest and most western US possession at that time.

    I am surprised that Lron didn’t fight off pirates or Mermen or those little grey guys from Betelgeuse.

    • Sherbet

      Luckily, Ronald’s body was protected by a thick layer of solid bullsh**, so neither variety of snake could have bitten through.

  • dungeon master

    True story (semi topical): My 16 year old step-daughter came to visit one summer from rural Montana, where she lived with on a cattle ranch and was bussed to a tiny school (I think there were 12 students in her graduating class.) She wanted to get a job. So I dressed her up in dark slacks, a button down shirt, had her braid her long hair, and wrote down the information she would need to fill out the applications. Then I drove her out to a couple of places that were hiring, and she got a job after filling out three applications. So, end of summer she goes back home and tells all and assundry that they were a bunch of ya-hoos who didn’t know anything. ‘You don’t walk in off the street in shorts and flip-flops to get a job!’ I expect some of her compadres were quite impressed at her worldly knowledge, or thought she was an asshole know-it-all.

    Too bad she also ran my cast-iron skillet through the diswasher. I explained you don’t wash cast-iron in the dishwasher – it rusts. I wiped the pan with a papertowel coated with oil and put it away. Next day I couldn’t find the lid to my cast-iron skillet, so I asked her if she knew where it was. ‘Oh, yeah!’ she said, ‘It’s in the dishwasher!’. (Sigh) ‘I thought I told you you can’t put cast iron in the dishwasher. It will rust.’ ‘Ooohhh!’ she exclaimed. ‘I thought you just meant the skillet!

    She also took my damp clothes out of the dryer (setting them on top), put her clothes in and said ‘Something’s wrong with the dryer! I ran my clothes 3x and they’re still not dry!’ ‘Did you check the lint filter?’ ‘What’s that?’ So, I showed her the lint filter, showed her how to clean it out and explained if the clothes aren’t dry at end of the cycle, the lint filter is probably plugged, and if it is the clothes will never get dry. She said, ‘well, no one does that at home!’ I said ‘There are 8 people living in that house – someone is cleaning the lint filter!’ She was so proud the first time she cleaned the lint filter!

    That was a trying summer.

    So, I can see the young LRH impressing the locals with his TALL tales. Probably made the gossip at the local bar (all towns in MT have 1 or more bars. They may have a post office. They may have a church. They might even have a grocery store. But they ALL have bars.

    • chukicita

      This makes me wonder what he told the natives in Guam about Montana.

      • Sherbet

        Snakes! Indians! Gold in them thar hills!

      • Observer

        Maybe that’s where the Legend of the Blood Brothers was formulated.

        • Sherbet

          I can hear Ron now: “Oh, those naive, child-like Oriental folk — they’ll believe anything.”

          • chukicita

            Meanwhile they’re saying to themselves, “Montana must be the easiest place to live ever, because otherwise how did this guy survive?”

          • cinfrance

            Just like he lured in [his phrase – see Steve Cannane’s ‘Fair Game’] his later followers

      • dungeon master

        I think he’s only able to say ‘I. I. I. and Me. Me. Me.” Repeat after me ‘the cow shits on the priarie’ (because I think it would amuse him to have an innocent bunch of boys running around saying ‘shit’). Ron is awesome! Ron is really smart! Ron is sooo good looking!’ ‘Hello! Do you know Ron?’

  • Science Doc

    As a young lad in the rural south in the 60s, I knew that every cave hid Confederate gold. Venomous snakes lurked everywhere, some of them real.

    His stories here are the standard memes of boys on the cusp of aldulthood confronted with the less familiar. He left out forbidden loves of various sorts, or maybe these were edited out.

  • Sherbet

    I see the globe-trotting Ron as a lonely boy, eager for friendship, stuck with his mother and having not much to do except tell himself stories that escalated in their outlandishness. That worked out well for him in choosing a career…and establishing a religion.

    • Observer

      I’d bet his loneliness was the result of his insufferable smugness and sense of entitlement brought on by his extreme spoiling at the hands of his aunts and grandparents. I wonder how, if any, different he’d have been if he had had a more pragmatic upbringing.

      • Sherbet

        True. He might have regarded his early travels as a great and rare privilege for those days, rather than a chance to embellish his resume.

      • Kestrel

        Nature and nurture, perhaps?

    • PJK

      I always wondered if the antagonist of Jack Vance’s novel The Book of Dreams, part of his Demon princes cycle, was inspired by L. Ron Hubbard. The name of the antagonist is Howard Alan Treesong and he is a criminal mastermind who has the most imaginative plans to acquire power (in part through infiltrating important government and/or social institutions). His whole self image is based on a fantasy world that he created for himself when he was young, which is described in detail in the journal he kept as a young man, the titular Book of Dreams. In this fantasy world he is of course the most important person in the universe (even though in actuality he’s a lowly farm boy).

      It doesn’t completely fit LRH or his story, but I always felt that LRH’s obvious exaggeration somehow inspired Jack Vance to create this character.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Dreams_(Jack_Vance_novel)

      • Sherbet

        That’s very interesting. You may be on to something.

      • grundoon

        One of my favorite Vance books.

    • There are certain risk factors for NPD, one is early childhood sexual abuse.
      I have seen things reported here (confirmed by Jon Atack if I recall) that lead me to suspect this was the case for Hubbard.
      It is consistent with long sea voyages of the time.

      • Sherbet

        Childhood abuse, or mutual encounters he felt guilty about and couldn’t handle?

        • As a minor it would be rape.

          • Sherbet

            Definitely. I didn’t know what you were referring to when you mentioned early childhood sexual abuse in regards to lrh’s life. I know he’s talked about some “indoctrination” into masturbation, and the guilt from that helped develop his warped views of sexuality. Not the action itself; the guilt.

          • flyonthewall

            if there was childhood rape or molestation he would of mentioned it in The Affirmations.

            • I’m not sure why or how you would conclude that he would have necessarily done that.
              There has been evidence to confirm it here.
              Ain’t gonna dig it up, but it’s then-recent disclosure brought a comment from Jon. Perhaps he will chime in.
              This is all a working hypothesis, as no one will ever know for certain.

            • flyonthewall

              well bc it’s a very personal document and he revealed other very intimate details about his sexual history in it. Something as huge as a childhood rape would def have made it in there

            • Definitely? I wouldn’t draw that conclusion.
              But you have, and I guess that means my hypothesis is incorrect to you.
              I’ve been wrong before.
              Did sex with Jack Parsons and company make it in there? I forget.

            • flyonthewall

              The rituals with Parsons were not traumatic for him. He didn’t have any hangups resulting from them like he did when he was told by his mother that masturbation is bad and unhealthy etc. That latter bit is mentioned in the Affirmations as is his impotency, the time he got gonorrhea, as well as when he was 13yrs old and got called out by a YMCA instructor for having a low hanging ball sack that was a result of masturbation.

              Those are traumas he was trying to relieve himself of and if he was freakin’ raped or molested as a teenager why would he leave that out but put all this other stuff in?

            • April

              One of the LRH affirmations is “That I have only friendship for Jack Parsons.”

              It could mean that there had been something more between them –i.e. sexual–or it could mean that he likes Parsons rather than dislikes him. Including the word “only” to me indicates the possibibility that there was something intimate between them, but that’s just my 2 cents.

            • And he doth protest too much.
              And in denial.
              The Affirmations were for his own purposes, They certainly weren’t a confessional.

  • Sherbet

    “We have to assume that a few of the boys wanted to take a swing at the smug redhead…” Some of us STILL want to do that, and he’s been dead for 30 years.

    • David Arum

      He was alleged to have been a very able brawler his nickname a kid was “Brick”,but I wonder if it was actually spelled with a “P”.

      • Sherbet

        It’s sort of like his story about Xenu: you can spell it as Xenu or Xemu.

        • David Arum

          Cool!

      • I think he was given that nickname for his academic prowess – it was a contraction of “thick as a brick”.

        • ze moo

          I really don’t mind to sit this one out….

      • kemist

        I don’t know if that was even true. Would be interesting to hear from his schoolmates at the time, but I guess none of them is still alive now.

        It sounds like one of those just so stories he’d spread about himself, and I’ve known a narcissist who’d say that about himself when his friends know for a fact that he’s a total wimp and a coward – the only person I know for sure that he’s ever hit is his ex fiancée.

      • joan nieman

        Ha! yes indeed.

  • David Arum

    I found the stories the first time around entertaining and interesting .Too bad they weren’t real.

  • Princess Squishy

    O/T: Super Moon and the Chrysalis I’m watching
    I took a couple pics of the moon last night at 99.6% full (just in case it’s cloudy tonight, I usually get screwed when something cool happens at night, that’s always the day the clouds come out)
    And Mr. Pickles the Chrysalis is getting ready to emerge, the chrysalis is getting clear, so it looks dark/black because we are seeing the wet butterfly squished inside that tiny space. You can see some of the orange through the wing part. You can also see part of my thumb and thumbnail in it to show you how tiny it is. So cool. Refresh for 3 pictures.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a327575e05e6a0f229d41e5b0e0ba02763eff9da57e342ac4fb3e2bc0410e05d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82e201f145cd9f77432d4f865af8b628efcc6e09f9e09cabc163f12a4c883cd8.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7bc810a11751747963c8864c06485f44746163de64064adee3327b27ebf91567.jpg

    • Rasha

      Very nice pics!! ^_^ Mr. Pickles is so ready!

      eta: Also, what did you use for the moon pics? Great detail!

      • Princess Squishy

        Nikon Coolpix P610. It’s a point and shoot but it has a 60x zoom. ISO 100, Shutter Speed 100, F/6.0. Most were taken on manual but one or two were taken with the moon setting that does all that for you.

      • Princess Squishy

        I kind of expect to see a butterfly when I get home from work today

  • Here’s something I’ve said before.
    Hubbard actually had amazing adventures.
    Too bad he went nuts.

    • flyonthewall

      would he have had such amazing adventures if he wasn’t nuts? You have to be at least a little nuts to pull half the shit he did

      • He wasn’t completely nuts as a child. He was dragged around the world by his mother.
        This is the period I’m referring to.

        • flyonthewall

          Lots of people move often as children, military brats for example. How many of them become sadistic cult leaders?

          • I didn’t say that traveling was the cause of him going nuts. See elsewhere.

        • flyonthewall

          Ok, I was talking later in life re his adventures.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Another little fib (thank you, Jon Atack):

    “On an oriental liner”
    The President Madison on which Hubbard travelled was a transport,
    not a liner, and certainly not oriental.

    And, in his own handwriting:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5aaf1738f667843e74c587d24f325fb3f6c5266de3524232cc3aec0478980500.jpg

    Charming fellow, even then.

      • Sherbet

        Ron torpedoed his own ship in preparation for his wartime adventures in Mexico.

          • Sherbet

            An allegory for Ron himself.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              “Duck lips sink ships!”

              Speaking of allegories for Elron’s life, I followed the link in today’s blog to an early post by Tony that went into depth concerning his not-so illustrious academic career http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/24/new-government-release-contains-a-surprise-l-ron-hubbard-flunked-out-of-high-school-too/

              After flunking out of George Washington University in 1932, Elron appears to have gotten his career as world-class liar off the ground the very next year by claiming to have found gold on his fiance, Polly Grub’s, family property in a newspaper article that appeared in the Washington Post in August of 1933. I’m sure that his in-laws to be weren’t all that happy to learn that their future son-in-law was such a huge liar 😉

              Getting folks to buy into the many “fool’s gold mines ” that he would go on to “discover” appears to have started right then and there!

            • Sherbet

              I think of them as fish lips, rather than duck lips, but to each his own.

              May we say lrh was a prodigy? He started his career in yarn-spinning very early. And in fool’s gold mining.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              I view him as a prodigy! Think about all those many cult scams that got going in the 60’s and 70’s… they’re almost all gone or greatly diminished, while $cn survived long enough to be featured on South Park (in what many think is their finest work!) and is worth billions!

              I was amused in that sort of cosmic way when I read that old 1933 article about Elron striking it rich in his own backyard! It’s the most apt of metaphor for a man who went on to mine fool’s gold wherever he could find them…and it’s a mining operation that continues on till today.

            • cinfrance

              …. and didn’t he do this again in c 1968 on The Royal Scotman?
              Maybe the “Do you ever think you might be mad?” question at the end of ‘The Shrinking World of LRH’ was more apposite than we all thought?

    • FredEX2

      Truth…always prevails…..to reveal the lies…and the liar.

      A question. If LRH did so poorly in school and eventually dropped out of HighSchool…how on earth was he ever admitted to George Washington University in DC,…let alone ANY college or University?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Is there any part of scientology not rooted in deep hypocrisy? Hubbard bragged about his “grand” adventurous youth, but he and Miscavige have denied their most dedicated followers the right to have similar adventures.

  • real eyes
    realize
    real lies

    this all reminds me of a childhood neighbor that tried to convince me that he made a working radio-controlled paper airplane.

    • flyonthewall

      I bet we all can remember that kid from our childhood who always told outrageous lies and even seemed to believe them. We should prob keep a closer eye on them. Make sure they don’t try any funny stuff like inventing a deadly totalitarian cult etc

      • Princess Squishy

        or run for president

      • Like in fifth grade, when Jonathan Richards, a chronic braggart, told us that his mother was dating “a New York millionaire” who was going to take them to Lake Tahoe his Lear Jet that weekend. When Monday rolled around, we asked him about Lake Tahoe. He told us that they couldn’t go because “the transmission was broken.” The group of kids laughed and joked and drifted away into the playground and I just felt sorry for him. He really should have asked me if jets had transmissions.

        • so he lied about a lie!

          • That’s how they reproduce.

            • yeah! just like empty bottles on a kitchen counter!
              I started lying when they didn’t believe my hard core facts!

            • Lies. Betcha can’t tell just one™.

            • because everything is real?

        • flyonthewall

          *snort* Yeah that is kinda pathetic

        • Princess Squishy

          My sister’s first daughter’s dad is like that. Lie – lie – lie. When she was pregnant she left him and started dating someone else and he was threatening the new guy and he called up and left a message claiming to be his lawyer and how he was going to get custody of the baby and I don’t know what else. Later he called and left a message as himself that he had a gun and was going to kill the new boyfriend. Clearly unstable, telling ridiculous lies. Like the lawyer would call from his client’s phone, and sound exactly like the client…. not all there.

  • CoS should mine the membership to pay for this bell off the President Madison “as rung by LRH himself!” (Okay, it might not be from the right President Madison, details!)

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Antique-1920s-Ocean-Liner-SS-President-Madison-Bronze-Ships-Bell-NR-/380495342186

  • Harpoona Frittata

    Quite the illustrious academic career! Expelled from high school and a college drop out, it’s just very fortunate that he finally found his feet at Sequoia U., where he earned himself the very first ever doctorate in disembodied space alien exorcism 😉

    One wonders if Lt. and Mrs. Hubbard sent young Ronald back to the states to live with the grandparents in Helena because there were no suitable schools for the children of U.S. military families in Guam or because he’d already become an insufferable, entitled, arrogant, lying twit that dad just couldn’t stand?

    Short on accomplishments, but long on imagination and hubris, Elron’s skills in presenting himself as someone that he was not appear to have gotten an early start and just became more exaggerated in each new setting that he found himself in or escaped to, right up until the time he had to go into deep hiding to avoid all the mess he’d put in motion from finally catching up with him.

  • flyonthewall
    • Excellent. Actions speak louder than words. The gatherings we had in our little berg were lively.

      • flyonthewall

        Nice. I was too self conscious to chant with everyone but the kids were really into it and it did lift my spirits a bit about the whole thing

      • flyonthewall

        This climate of fear and hatred he’s ushered in just can’t be left unanswered. If we are silent it is the same as agreeing with it. So important to say it’s not ok

    • LongtimeLurker

      Fly family is coolest!

      Also, it’s a good point, why not Zoidberg?

    • Very very nice.

    • Hamtaro

      Back in the 90’s my 13 year old desperately wanted to attend the Lisa McPherson protest in CLW. I wouldn’t let him because there was a very real threat of potential violence whenever FLAG got picketed. I later regretted that decision. Protesting, especially under the umbrella of parental protection, has got to be a super cool experience for a kid. That’s some good parenting, Fly.

      • flyonthewall

        There were some friends of ours that either went w/o their kids or didn’t go at all out of fear of violence/harassment and that’s totally legit. I don’t blame them or you espec with how nasty those clams can get, we’ve all seen the LMT protest vids. We just remained alert and hoped for the best. There were no incidents thankfully. It was downtown and most all Trump fever is in the counties and rural areas

        • daisy

          Good for you Fly, what a great lesson for the kids.

          • flyonthewall

            🙂 *hug*

    • iampissed

      Nice lookin crew Fly.

      • Missionary Kid

        They really are cute without the masks, too.

        • flyonthewall

          Thank you, I agree, but you only met the girls, these are the boys.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m sure that all of your kids are cute.

            There used to be a picture of me at about 3 years old. I looked positively angelic. It’s a black-and-white photograph but my white hair was quite obvious. I was dressed in a Velveteen suit with short pants.

            My sister, 6 years older than I, points out that I also had a load of crap in my pants.

            • flyonthewall

              classic

            • joan nieman

              Damn! I have an older sister who jibes me as well.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve lived out here in the desert for about 27 years. Some time ago, after I’d lived here for a while, I was looking in the mirror and noticed that I had a lot of wrinkles. I told my sister that it was probably from being out in the sun so much. Her comment? “Aw, you’re just getting old.”

    • kemist

      I love his shirt ;P

      Why Not Zoidberg indeed.

    • Missionary Kid

      Zoidberg, yes, Trump, no.

    • Mockingbird

      Great !

  • Roger Larsson

    Heads of papers says yes or no.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEa77Hxkk5A

  • Newiga

    LRH, bamboozling since he was a zygote. I wonder if he was secretly laughing behind people’s back because he got his tall tales published or was he like “Oh wow.. They actually bought that!? Hmmm…..”

    • Missionary Kid

      Those little papers published stories of people’s comings and goings. It was not unusual for them to pretty much print what the person had told them. Fact-checking was not their strong suit.

  • Draco

    OT – I thought I would share tonight’s “after the storm” clouds with you. F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f349561c1b5e03e1a6a5c6a1db4b30850c4502923ffbb73a330f8411fe383a9.jpg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    OSA, can you see
    By this spawn’s early blight
    Where so proudly he sailed?
    To try sleight, you’re screaming.

    Hubbard, after a lifetime of mental masturbation, came to a sticky end.

    Ybor City: once they rolled cigars
    Now $cientology is rolling rubes
    Little Davey is shitting bricks
    As his cult goes down the tubes

    $cientology? Fund razors but no fun raising

    Is a baby towel an heir dryer?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f299deaf0397f0f9d2191b5b399ba011594bef99d4de1bfc0c8f1dbe87325b49.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14940af7f9bc09a72938c03bf7e438bbc5d5c3ec4386b98efc6f166da12d93b4.jpg

    • Rasha

      Terrace human.

    • Chee Chalker

      Pan,
      Did you take these pics? They are amazing

    • Missionary Kid

      A Mexican immigrant, Jose, went to his first baseball game in the US. When he came back he couldn’t stop marveling at how nice and polite the other spectators were. He said that they all stood up before the game started and sang, “Jose can you see?”

      • ze moo

        That joke is older than both of us combined.

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe that the joke is at least 60 years old, because that’s when I first heard it. I am 71, how old are you?

          • ze moo

            62.

            A horse walks into a bar, the bartender says ‘why the long face’?

            • Missionary Kid

              The total is 133 years. The Star Spangled Banner song was adopted as the National Anthem in 1931, but wasn’t sung at ball games until WWII, so the joke is probably no older than that, 75 years ago.

      • Kestrel

        Oh, my. Do mares eat oats? Do does eat oats? What do little lambs eat?

  • kemist

    OT : There seems to be an infestation of Marty’s regular commenters over at Mike Rinder’s blog.

    Looks like they feel lonely, and are too scared of the big bad ASC.

    • gtsix

      Terra posts always bring out the Milestone2 folks.

      Can’t have anyone denigrating Hubbard. And as Lois’ articles are showing her experiences with Hubbard… they feel completely vindicated that someone is posting Hubbard was an ok guy to be around.

      • Rinder’s latest, straightforwardly condemnatory, post about the reality of disconnection seems to have frightened the ‘true believers’ away again.

        Serious question – where will they go now that Marty’s seems to be closed and there are hardly any high profile blogs they dare be associated with?

        • Missionary Kid

          Don’t they have their own, somewhere? Maybe they have their own super seekrit Facebook blog.

          • Chee Chalker

            They do….Alonzo has a blog (or used to). Someone who used to be part of the Bunker also has a blog. Not sure what is going on with either, but they sure seem lonely.
            Alonzo needs to stir the pot wherever he goes. It’s almost as if he knows he picked the wrong bandwagon to climb aboard and no one is left for him to hang out with.

            So, he’s back.

            • gtsix

              Alanzo has deactivated all comments, so he really has an online diary…much like a LiveJournal site.

              He continues to be the prophet of “I know what critics and scientologists can not possibly know. I alone can know this, follow my path”. He posts on Rinder’s blog occasionally (again, only on the provocative posts) and Rinder has thanked him for his insight at least once.

              Who knows what really goes on behind the blog scenes.

            • MarcabExpat

              Exactly, that’s what got him in trouble at ESMB. It’s like dude, some of us have had enough actual, real drama in actual real life.

        • gtsix

          Yea… they only come out to defend Lord Hubris. Although I do enjoy Rinder’s back and forth with them. Rinder actually allowed through a post where I called foolproof a dilettante squirrel who abandoned his post. I was quite shocked (I’d had enough from him and lost it after he said he was a-ok with ethic inquisitions).

          They’ll stay on Mike’s blog (on certain posts) and Milestone2. Is Friends of LRH still active? Religious Liberty league and when it gets up and running, FICOS, I guess.

          • I’m guessing the mainstream exposure of those specialised refuges (for people who blind themselves to the reality of Scientology by choosing to believe that ‘The Tech’ was corrupted by Miscavige) is marginal.

            The apparent end of Marty’s leaves them will little option but to retire into online obscurity and talk to each other.

            A quick survey of Milestone2 suggests that there are few (but very active) commentators and the posts revolve around justifying the practice of independent Scientology, rarely touching upon events in the wider world.

            Friends of LRH seems to have just ended a fund-raising cycle to fight a legal campaign and been rescued by a ‘whale’ (the more things change the more they stay the same) http://www.friendsoflrh.org/Section3/ No comments section that I can find – the site seems to be stuck back in the days of static HTML + a JavaScript menu.

            The most lively comments seem to come after blog posts on ‘The Religious Liberty League’ and they don’t range far, as yet.

            I don’t even know what FICOS is (or if it’s a joke).

            • gtsix

              Interesting. First Independent Church of Scientology. Don’t believe they have a website up yet (as the whole trademark thing is ongoing).

            • I understood that the Religious Liberty League is the First Independent Church of Scientology, in all but name.

        • MarcabExpat

          Too bad MOUALH is falling by the wayside, it really is the perfect spot for Espiando. If you can’t restrain yourself with your ammo, at least find a suitable target. And suitable Espiando targets were in plentiful supply there to put it mildly.

    • Robert Eckert

      Is Espiando still hanging out there to give them what-for?

      • kemist

        Yes, saw a couple of his posts.

        Mike is getting really annoyed with a couple of them. I think we may soon see his second ever banning.

    • pluvo

      Rinder’s blog is ASC-ligt and some have nowhere else to go. I feel already sorry for Mike that he has to deal with the overflow from Marty’s freezed-up blog.

    • That, and Marty has not produced anything to comment upon since October the 5th (during which time that post has accumulated only 497 comments).

      It would take a considerable effort to build his following up again, so losing his followers might be the end for his online presence.

      Mike Rinder seems to aim to subtly question the conviction of doubting Scientologists. Whether an influx of ‘true believers’ will be good for his commenting community is questionable.

      • Chee Chalker

        497 comments with 450 of them being from the same 5-6 avatars

        • pluvo

          If ever Tony takes a break this blog here with disqus and the lively round the clock chatting will burst.

      • MarcabExpat

        An influx of ‘true believers’ is never good for any commenting community, but I’ll be curious to see whether his commenting community can be good for them. Mike’s polite and fairly tolerant, but once he loses patience he has no hesitation about calling bullshit no matter who you are.

    • Chee Chalker

      Ha! I noticed the same thing!
      It seems the world can’t go on without their brilliant insight and Marty’s out of the game for now.
      I don’t know why they can’t just pontificate on their own blogs.

      • kemist

        It’s pretty boring to talk to yourself, I guess.

        They probably think they’re putting ethics in on the exes over at Mike’s blog. They’e replying to everyone there with advice about MUs and tones of questions.

        I find it amusing, but some of those people might feel shades of the cult behavior – I’d be pretty pissed if after throwing all that shit in the dumpster, someone came at me trying to shame me into looking of some fucking MUs.

  • Missionary Kid

    I sailed on an American President Lines freighter 30 years after Hubbard did. I don’t believe that the steamship line was ever a passenger carrying operation, but it was allowed to carry passengers along with freight. My parents and I sailed from Hong Kong to the United States, stopping off in Yokohama for loading and unloading cargo.

    APL was the first steamship lines to provide service between the United States, Yokohama, and Hong Kong in 1867. In 1917, they added the Philippines to their routes. At the time I sailed on, I believe it was, the President Cleveland, only12 passengers were allowed to be on a freighter. If there were more passengers, it was required that a doctor be aboard. I do not know if any special consideration for scheduling was given my family because my mother was a nurse, but since she wasn’t a doctor, the 12 passenger maximum rule still held.

    Sailing by freighter was cheaper than a passenger ship because it had none of the amenities that a passenger ship had. Of course, being missionaries, our church sent us the least expensive way possible. Air travel was much more expensive than even a passenger steam ship in the nineteen-fifties, and I don’t even know if it was available when Hubbard sailed. Hubbard sailed on his “Adventure” the cheapest way possible. Back then, a naval officer did not make much money. The passengers and crew were left to their own devices to keep themselves entertained.

    Story. I was six years old when we sailed, and the only child aboard. One day, one of the crewmen took me, I assume with my mother’s permission, up to the bridge. I remember that it was a wide room, and, in the center, facing the front windows, was a large spoked wheel, like you see in pictures. There were also windows so one could look behind the ship as well.

    It was a calm, clear, beautiful day.

    The crewman took over the helm and demonstrated how to steer the ship. When he turned the wheel to the right, the ship turned left, and vice versa. The wheel operated the reverse of how a steering wheel on a car does.

    Above the front windows was a large dial with a hand pointing straight up. The crewman demonstrated that if one was to hold their course, when the pointer went to the right, one turned the wheel to the right so that the ship turned left and went back on course.

    He then gave me, a six-year-old child, the wheel to steer the ship. After a while, he told me to look back at the wake of the ship behind us. It was a snake. After a short while, I was able to steer the ship straight, and the wake showed it. I don’t know how long I steered the ship, but the time was up all too early. I believe that it was time for lunch.

    Of course, the story became part of family lore. Unfortunately, the next day we hit rough weather, so the family story is that I steered us into a storm.

    • Rasha

      Great story, and great ending!!! ^_^

      • Missionary Kid

        Whenever I see containers going down the road on a truck or on a train, with the letters APL on them, I get a warm feeling inside.

        On the other hand, you will never get me on a cruise.

        • Sherbet

          Or on another church mission! 😉

          • Missionary Kid

            That, too.

            • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

              The old joke about a couple of hippies who mistook LDS for LSD and went on a mission instead of a trip.

            • Missionary Kid

              I love it. They were truly screwed up.

    • ze moo

      No good deed goes unpunished.

      • Missionary Kid

        *Chuckle*

      • And the greater the good deed, the greater the punishment.
        Crucifixion, for example.

        • Robert Eckert

          meh, it’s not so bad, get you out in the open air

    • joan nieman

      You took that experience to the sky Mk and became a pilot. It is a wonderful story!

      • Missionary Kid

        According to my parents, I said that I wanted to become a pilot at 4 years old, when we flew out of the provence we were in on the last plane ahead of the Communist takeover in 1949, so that was before it. The whole experience made more sense after I became a pilot.

        • joan nieman

          That’s so awesome.

          • Missionary Kid

            Kids say a lot of things when they’re growing up. It really wasn’t an overriding goal. I kind of fell into it.

    • Thanks for sharing that. It reinforces my comment about the actual real adventures Hubbard had, making embellishment unnecessary.
      I happened to run across a picture recently of My Best Beloved.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39adabf7dea8675700eab63f4ce27fe5d75fee176caed6f09253b542cfaec6cc.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      What a wonderful memory to have. Thanks for sharing MK.

  • Mockingbird

    Good PR letter filled day Bunkeroos.

    In a way ex Scientologists are extremely fortunate. We have Hubbard’s OWN words in a massive collection. Now parts of it are plagiarized as in entirely written by others with Hubbard’s name slapped on them while others Hubbard plagiarized from others then filed off the serial numbers and presented it as his own with his slant of trying to influence.

    But we can listen to HIM and read words he wrote or approved of putting his name on. We can see for ourselves how he presented himself and that he lied, contradicted himself and pretended a reality existed that never did. Since he lived so recently people and records are very easy to consult.

    Imagine if someone tried to do this with Jesus or Mohammed today. I don’t think accurately analyzing them or the truth about their lives is remotely possible unless you trust a source or sources far more than I ever would.

    Those men may or may not have lived, said things and done things. I can’t verify any of it. It’s too far in the past.

    Hubbard’s own words ultimately hang him IF you find the right ones in the right context.

    • Missionary Kid

      In Astounding Science Fiction, or Analog, as it was later called, I read a story about someone who invented a machine that enabled a person to look back at ancient events.

      They were able to go back to various historical events and show whether the historians have it right or wrong. They received High Praise from most people until they decided to follow Jesus around.

      Because reality was so much at odds with what people have been told, they rioted, killed the inventor, and destroyed the machine.

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        One of my favorite stories in this vein was, using a time viewer like that, they were able to trace he descent of any living human from now until back wherever. In doing so, they found that there was one person, alone of all those then living, who wasn’t descended from anyone famous, and that was the inventor of said time viewer.

      • Mockingbird

        I concur strongly with the author.

        • Missionary Kid

          Could you imagine all the shit that Co$ would pull if a camera could go back and follow LRH around?

          Of course, the true believers wouldn’t believe it, but then the biggest and most evil fair game tactics would be used to destroy any recordings.

          • Mockingbird

            They would carefully edit the footage to only tell their story.

            • Missionary Kid

              Of course, but they would try to destroy or discredit any other sources that conflict with their point of view.

            • Mockingbird

              Yep.

  • Richard

    According to Dan Sherman’s excellent biography of Ron Hubbard, that last quote written by Ron about the Chinese people has a spelling mistake.

    Ron Hubbard, back in 1928, writes Dan, was a handsome and dashing young man and, in fact, all the girls in China swooned when they saw him. It was then that Ron wrote in his diary “The trouble with China is, there are too many chicks here.”

    • Kestrel

      Of course he did. He was born in 1911 and said this in 1928. Every 17 year old man/boy I’ve ever known has complained about there being too many chicks.

  • Not the most trustworthy of boy-reporters, was he, the young Ron? (Trying to remember one single time I ever saw Tintin file a story, and coming up blank): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5a56f9b40442e5a52a4efca48444cbb530fe552020e04b29166e0ec127fc4bf.jpg

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    LRH was lucky to be able to travel with his parents. And his stories evenually became tall tales. His stories did not reflect first hand experience most of the time, or they were complete lies.

    Only 15 to 20 minutes of agony?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjPDS8Jp1E

  • Tony Ortega

    Perhaps the single most bullshit article on Scientology at Radar yet.

    http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/tom-cruise-scientology-secrets-hidden-bunker/

    • Radar’s still well-supplied with scissors and paste, I see.

      • $cnmonkeyrob$

        Pity there’s no controlling intelligence wielding said scissors and glue!

    • Missionary Kid

      Inflating the cost to a billion dollars is really bullshit. They probably spent 10 or 15 million dollars, total.

      I imagine that any files or videos that include Tom Cruise are in the possession of David Miscavige in a place only he has access to.

    • Kestrel

      It’s not even a slow news day. What a load.

    • Observer

      🙄🙄

    • A source claims the vault is “H-bomb proof” and is “protected by three 5,000-pound stainless-steel airlocks.” Wild dogs and Army-trainer snipers also guard it.

      I’m pretty sure that no one said this.

      Also, Guard dogs =/= wild dogs.

    • ze moo

      They ‘borrowed’ the drone recording!! Those sneaky bastards…

    • MM

      The ‘sources’ they’re citing are evidently suffering from a severe M/U on what constitutes “H-bomb proof” (as opposed to the CST vaults which are essentially tin cans) SMH

      “protected by three 5,000-pound stainless-steel airlocks.”

      Stainless-steel airlocks, how cute 😀

      This is an airlock (F5) Its blast doors weigh 25 tons each, not to mention the facility doesn’t sit barely beneath the surface like most CST vaults – there’s several hundred meters of granite on top of it, protecting it from being hit by a “bomb” to begin with.

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/NORADBlast-Doors.jpg/634px-NORADBlast-Doors.jpg

      • Missionary Kid

        Usually, those facilities are also mounted on giant springs to act as shock absorbers, too.

        • $cnmonkeyrob$

          … and within a Faraday Cage to deal with the EMP…

          • Missionary Kid

            I forgot about that. I think the shelter pictured is the entrance to Cheyenne Mountain, close to Colorado Springs, Colorado.

        • MM

          “giant springs as shock absorbers”

          Yeah, I guess that would make sense because in case the earth around your facility were to suddenly move you wouldn’t want it to break your ‘plumbing’ (the air and water circulation systems you’d need installed in there to actually “survive” for any length of time). Of which systems the CST vaults, of course, do not even have any: They don’t need to b/c they’re not intended to be inhabited by “Tom Cruise” (or for that matter, anyone), and they mustn’t b/c they’re archival storage facilities and the two things you’d want to keep away from that kind of facility in the first place are, well, air and water.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ve seen pictures of the inside of the Cheyenne Mountain base, which used to be the headquarters for NORAD, and the springs it’s mounted on are HUGE.

            The Co$ vaults aren’t meant to survive an H-bomb, let alone an A-bomb, but, as far as I’m concerned, I don’t give an F-bomb, except that I’d like to have the salvage on all of the titanium and stainless steel metals. What’s written on them isn’t worth putting on toilet paper and being used.

            As I’ve said, I’m willing to bet that all of TC’s files are somewhere close to DM, and under his total control.

      • I don’t think there realistically is such a thing. I understood that bunkers were capable of keeping a few of their occupants alive just long enough to retaliate – and would not withstand even a close detonation in any case

        • Missionary Kid
          • The bunker is built to deflect a 30 megaton nuclear explosion as close as 2 kilometres

            The largest bomb even detonated was a 50 megaton Soviet monster (they could have ramped it up to 100 megaton, but even they didn’t see the point) and the largest US test made 15 megaton. Practical munitions come in at a lot less. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

            So yes… the occupants of Cheyenne Mountain would probably survive for quite a while, until the radiation got them. Lesser bunkers (not to mention the population that the military were there to protect) would probably fare less well.

            Actual nuclear war would be the ultimate failure for everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions

            • Missionary Kid

              The bunkers where the Hubbard crap is stored wouldn’t survive a small bomb. They aren’t in bedrock, and probably the entrance would be easily buried. What a waste. No people would be saved.

            • Which leads to the conclusion that the purpose of building it was to amass the money that was donated and not spent on it.

              Somehow, everything the CofS does seems to come back to money.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t write the word as $cientology for nothing. 😀

            • Missionary Kid

              To add: the worst way to solve global warming would be a nuclear winter.

        • MM

          Unfortunately, unlike Dr. Hubbard I’m not a nuclear scientist, so basically all I can do here is guess, and maybe parrot back a couple things I’ve read.

          You are probably right that there isn’t such a thing as a man-made structure that can withstand a direct hit of an “H-bomb”, just as there probably isn’t any man-made structure you could ‘land on the surface of the Sun’ and expect it to last. As for “close detonation”, I’d guess it depends on your definition of “close”. If set off at the photographer’s POV in the pic above, a detonation would probably wipe away any “airlock” no matter how heavy the doors, and then some. With six hundred meters of solid granite in between, I’m not so sure… But again, I’m just guessing.

          As to the “retaliation” (this would be the part where I parrot what I’ve read), the uncertainty whether your HQ would withstand was the reason for assigning this task to the robots: On the Soviet side, this ‘robot’ is believed to have been the Perimetr system (sometimes called “Dead Hand” in English) which was designed to actually assure MAD even in case of a ‘successful’ decapitation strike. Plus, another part of an assured retaliation would have been those assets which, by definition, can’t be targeted in a first strike because their location is unknown (submarines).

          The task of bunkers, as far as I know, would have been mostly to provide a means of communication and coordination so as to maintain somewhat orderly conduct outside (“Continuity of government”) – that is, as long as there would have been anything left to ‘govern’. You are certainly right that, in any case, the inhabitants would have been doomed anyway because eventually they’d have run out of food, water, air, or fuel.

          • There was never a more apt acronym than Mutually Assured Destruction.

            There’s an old short story by the SF writer Arthur C Clarke. It’s in the form of instructions to a Soviet orbital battlestation after the country has been wiped out by a Western strike with a secret weapon.

            The Chairman appeals to the soldiers not to retaliate, because it would be pointless, and work to rebuild the homeland, instead.

            I always wondered what would actually happen in such a situation. Famously, there were experiments that deceived US servicemen in missile bunkers into thinking that an attack was underway. A surprising number of them just could not launch their missiles, knowing that they would only add to pointless slaughter.

    • Phil McKraken

      i like the part about how celebrities’ secrets are secured in underground bunkers (no relation to present loc). They wish.

    • JJ

      Meanwhile,Kirstie’s deepest secrets are being kept in Ziploc baggies beneath a Walmart outside of Flagstaff. And Jenna’s are available for purchase at horseloverblogspot.org.

      • Sherbet

        Kirstie has no secrets. She tweets everything about her body, her love life, her politics, her food intake…

  • nottrue
    • Thanks for the follow-up,

  • Observer
    • Missionary Kid

      What’s their real name?

      • Observer

        We call her The Velociraptor in RL too. We’re all staying real-nameless on the Bunker. 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          Understood. Thanks for the picture, anyway.

        • flyonthewall

          if I guess the name will you confirm it?

          • Observer

            No, because you already know

            • flyonthewall

              I forgot it, I really did. I think flylady put some Alzheimer’s in my oatmeal

    • Rasha

      KITTEH!!! <3<3<3

      • Observer

        Nooooooooooooooooooo!

      • Juicer77

        The Master…. (goat bleat)

    • Draco

      Literally keeping an eye on you. Just tooooo comfy to open the other one 🙂

    • Juicer77

      DAT NOES.

  • Rasha

    …anyone else get their Scientology Holiday Gift Catalog?

    • flyonthewall

      pft, wouldn’t you like to know

      • Rasha

        I’m currently auditing my Christmas list….

    • if anyone here happens to get me as their Thecret Thetan-Claus plan ahead knowing you will be receiving either the ashtray or the cookie stuff

      #nothingelseunderfivebucks

      • Rasha

        I vote we have a Yankee Swap.

        • there better be an Ugly Scientology Sweater contest or i’ma stay home this year

          • Sherbet

            Sorry. They’ve retired the award, thanks to the attire of the original “We Stand Tall” chorale, starring David Miscavige.

    • Sherbet

      Yes, but there’s nothing in it! Just a list of prices but you don’t get anything for your money.

  • Liberated

    OT….Gwen Ifill died, 61
    Can this year get any more depressing?

    • salin

      No. But I thought that after Bowie died. And that was lat winter!

  • Totally off topic – a veteran British ex-Scientologist and tireless protester against the ‘church’ has just had some good news, which has been reported in the local newspaper.

    http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/we-ve-won-plymouth-father-to-be-reunited-with-peru-family-after-10-year-fight-for-passports/story-29893918-detail/story.html

    Comments there are very welcome

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Lovely news for Cap’n Billy! He’s very anxious that Roxanne, his wife, won’t be able to extend her visa past the 6-month visiting visa. But if there’s a way, Billy will find it. This will be their first Christmas together in over a decade *wipes a little tear* 🙂

      • Sherbet

        Perhaps someday he’ll learn what happened to his father? Damn cult.

        • His Mother… but good point.

          • Sherbet

            Really? I was thinking father. Sorry. I’m old and forgetful.

            • Observer

              We need a Bunker Geezers’ Corner, or at least I do.

            • Sherbet

              Excellent idea. The Aging of the Bunker.

            • OOkpik

              The Bunker ages like a fine wine.

            • Missionary Kid

              WHAT? I CAN’T HEAR YOU. SPEAK UP! Turns up hearing aids.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I’m in! Just please don’t send me a paper invitation because I will misplace it.

            • There you are matron. When are they serving the tea? I’m sure it’s late tonight.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hur hur 😛 We oldies have way more fun than the kids, anyway, and even if we’re not having much fun we’ll have forgotten about it by tomorrow.

            • OOkpik

              Welcome to the Bunker, Andrea.
              It’s always good to see fresh, new faces.

              OOps!…

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I just did a genuine LOL!

            • Dunno… I feel fundamentally the same way that I did when I was eight. Lot’s of stuff has happened since then, and I’ve learned from some of it – but the business of being sentient in such an incredibly unlikely universe still fills me with wonder, sometimes.

            • Sherbet

              Invitation to what? I’ve forgotten already.

            • OOkpik

              With Geezer-Aid!

            • iampissed

              I’m In

            • Missionary Kid

              Geez. Thanks. I’d have nearly the highest seniority. (Rolling my eyes, sarcastically). Please, don’t put me in the Geezer’s corner! Please! *Laughing at my own stupid joke.*

              On second though, maybe people are sick of all my posts, and they’re trying to tell me nicely to shut up by putting me in the Bunker Geezer’s Corner. 😉

            • OOkpik

              The Bunker Geezer’s Corner is where it’s at…
              whatever IT is!

            • I was standing in my local supermarket today. A nice young lady asked he could help. I replied, “only if you can tell me what I came in here for”. It wasn’t milk, but turned out to be bacon 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Oh, dear. I would have had trouble finding the supermarket to begin with.

  • flyonthewall

    any breaking news coming soon? I feel like there might be some breaking news soon

    • Jimmy3

      We just got news this afternoon, and it’s already broken. We obviously can’t be trusted with news.

    • Observer

      There’s some kind of stupormoon tonight

      • flyonthewall

        i heard that it’s a big rip and is no bigger than a reg full moon

        • Jimmy3

          You gotta be on yo game quick. A few weeks ago I saw the hunter moon (or whatever it calls itself) just chilling on the horizon. It was big and orange and intimidating and it was threatening folk. Then about 20 minutes later it had moved halfway across the sky, and it was small and white. Probably running from the moon cops now that I think about it.

        • Observer

          Last month’s was, and this is supposed to be bigger. I guess it all depends on what you expect “bigger” to mean. We’re talking something like 14% bigger than a regular full moon, but it’s been getting gradually larger in the months that it’s been approaching perigee so it’s not suddenly going to be a lot bigger than it has been.

          • flyonthewall

            The moon cannot grow, however big it is is how big it is and that’s it. Don’t be absurd

            • Observer

              Bite me.

            • Kestrel

              You are absolutely correct, of course. And the sun does not move across the sky, the earth rotates on its axis.

            • TheLurkingHorror

              It is not growing… IT”S HEADED STRAIGHT FOR US!!! DUCK!!!

          • Sunny

            We saw a beautiful moon early this AM in Dallas, which was much larger than normal. Probably twice the size normal… We looked last night and it just looked like the same old moon, but this morning was cool.
            I guess I am a sucker then.

            • Observer

              I’m still going out to take pics, so I’ll be a sucker too

            • Jimmy3

              Do you ever feel like the moon is taking pictures of you taking pictures of it?

            • Missionary Kid

              The moon always looks much larger close to the horizon. It’s an optical illusion, because up high, there is nothing closer to compare it with. Optical easurements have been taken to verify this.

        • iampissed

          14 percent hard to see but 30 percent brighter.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        *Full blown snickersnort*

  • iampissed

    We have lost so many this year. For me it is just letting me know that I might be getting a bit older.
    That said it still sucks, and this political season has not helped. So I would like to offer to you this.
    I find it powerful and meaningful.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NmCFY1oYDeM
    Sorry for the commercials.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Beautiful.

      • iampissed

        Thank you Andrea…here I am with tears and I’m suppose to be heading on vacation.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          You owe it to your own happiness and peace of mind to completely escape from the madness for a while. Try if you can to cut yourself off completely from the world and just “be”. Have a lovely time 🙂

    • iampissed

      Well no commercials on the link…that’s cool.

    • Missionary Kid

      Part of making it to 71 is that as the years go by, more and more people that I’ve known of have died. The speed of communication has let us all know sooner when it happens. The cult of fame can also magnify their passage.

      I’m not inured to the deaths, but now I accept them more as the inevitable. Bob Dylan, and the Stones are slightly older than I, and statistically, they will probably pass within the decade. I watched Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, and two of the Beatles pass, plus younger performers. Soon, it will be the time for more of the people we’ve thought will always be here to go.

      I’ve been TIVOing old black and white Twilight Zone episodes and watching them. About the only actors still alive from them are William Shatner and Robert Redford. I haven’t gotten to their episodes yet. Think of all of the actors in films and TV that you watched growing up that aren’t here any more. It’s a constant process.

      • Mymy88

        Hmm. God I loved those creepy shows when I was a kid. Twilight Zone, especially Twilight Zone. What really killed me was losing Robin Williams. How ironic. The man that made me laugh more than any other, taught me something about myself that I do not like at all. I ran into him once in a bar with some friends and I discovered I had an embarrassing nervous tic. No more meeting famous people for me lol.

        • Missionary Kid

          I had read some of the stories before they were made into Twilight Zone episodes in my science fiction reading years before. The Little Black Bag was written a decade earlier by one of my favorite science fiction authors, C.M. Kornbluth and adapted to TZ.

          Your tic is probably not there all the time. I’ve met a few celebrities, and, by treating them as just another human being, but respectfully, I’ve had some interesting conversations. I think that if you can put your worship aside, you’ll do much better.

          The task is not to make the conversation about me, but about something they’re interested in. I was welcomed to sit down with Alice Cooper because I knew that he was a PK, like me. (Preacher’s Kid, and so is his wife. He’s also a Missionary Kid, too.)

          • Mymy88

            Wow. That is amazing. Alice Cooper is a preacher’s kid. Holy cow lol! AND a missionary kid. I would have never ever guessed that.

            You just reminded me. I have not thought about this in a while. I forgot about it actually until I just read you reply and I thought to myself.. “is Robin Williams the only celebrity I’ve ever met?”, and then I remembered something, but to just make it short and sweet, I ended up in a very small confining hotel service elevator with 3 or maybe it was 4 celebrities (I can’t quite remember now) who I loved to watch perform.

            I had just ducked into the elevator very quickly because the regular elevator I was heading for had a celebrity standing there in it, waiting for me to step in and I just wheeled around and ducked into the service elevator (because I’m shy) only to find myself surrounded like that. I’m shaking my head. If I had it to do all over to again, I’m sure I would have done the exact same thing.

            I had this weird feeling that all of the involved saw exactly what had happened and it was something common they see all the time.

            • Missionary Kid

              Alice has gone over to the dark side by being born again. I didn’t talk to him about that, but I did talk to him and his wife about what it was like to be a PK and MK. It’s a fairly exclusive club that you have to be born into.

              I’m thinking that when you meet a celebrity, your natural shyness gets magnified. I just try to evaluate the situation, and bother them unless I can make it a pleasant experience for them.

              Not too long before she died, I happened to encounter Anne Francis in a parking lot, and all I could say was that I really appreciated her work.

              I was at an In ‘N’ Out, and Jay Leno walked in. (The same one that I met Alice Cooper in). Some people were being jerks, making comments to gain attention, and I told them to cool it. I got Jay’s autograph with the famous little cartoon that goes with it. I think he appreciated not being harassed.

              I knew one sports legend before she was famous because she married a friend of mine. They divorced after 25 years, but are still friends. It was interesting to sit at a table at a restaurant and see the people who would come up to talk to her or get autographs. Being on the other side of fame, I imagine can be quite a chore. She was always gracious, and still is.

            • Mymy88

              Wait, what? Alice Cooper says now he has been “born again” as in the Jesus the savior inside of my heart born again?

            • Missionary Kid

              You didn’t know? Yes, it’s been some years since he did. We didn’t talk about it, but it’s probably a part of staying sober. He hasn’t denounced the character, Alice Cooper, but he is “saved.”

              We briefly talked about symbolism, and he said that there are younger performers who don’t realize the power of the symbols in their act. Since I’m an atheist, and don’t believe in heaven or hell and I don’t believe that the symbols themselves have any power, but people feel empowered when they use them because it shocks people.

              I felt that what Alice was saying was that the symbols do have power. I didn’t contradict him, and let him think that I was a missionary kid that still believed. I didn’t want to get witnessed to if he discovered that I no longer was a Christian, and I was enjoying the conversation.

            • Mymy88

              I am in shock about Alice Cooper being “saved”. Can we talk? Can you email with me? If you can’t for whatever reason and I DON’T need to know the reason, but if you can’t for whatever reason, I totally completely absolutely understand. I promise! Here’s my email and I’ll delete it once you see this. Just like this post and I’ll know you saw it. Thanks.

            • Missionary Kid

              I sent you an email. Hello.

            • Missionary Kid

              Don’t forget to remove your email address in an edit. That way, someone going over past posts doesn’t see it.

  • iampissed

    Lighter note….there are no red headed droids, so I purpose Droid MC1R. I’m going to work on this.

  • iampissed

    Discus has lost its mind again…I did a sort by best and my post from 3 mins ago came up first.
    Discus I appreciate that…but really.

    • Missionary Kid

      Just Discus?

  • Liberated

    I was listening to pbs radio in the car, of course they’re talking about Mr. Orange, and saying how
    Alex Jones has called Trump to congratulate him.
    Trump has agreed to be on his show.
    This just keeps getting better guys.

    • Mymy88

      Oh I know right. Things keep getting better and better so why do I hate everybody lol.

      • Liberated

        How can you not.
        Don’t feel bad, what would be scary is feeling good now. Yikes.

    • I wonder if Howard Stern has him scheduled yet.

      • Liberated

        Good question, we’ll see.

    • JJ

      I’m thinking I just read something that said Trump was surprised by how much work the President has to do…? If it gets much better, we will all have to wear Depends cause we’ll be laughing all the time. Till he does something really stupid anyway. Tick tock…

    • Mockingbird

      Alex Jones and the PRESIDENT. Not a sentence I expected to say. Why doesn’t Pam Bondi orchestrate a merger so we can get the new and improved Make America Great Again Trump Truth Rundown ! Dissidents will work on the Wall Erection Force and get the Truth Rundown until they have no critical thoughts or comments regarding God Emperor Trump.

      And the Wall is completed.

      • Liberated

        Now, yer talkin’

      • Mymy88

        Hey, why don’t we just hook Trump up with David Miscavige and be done with it. Satan’s plan would be complete.

        Meh, does anybody have a spare high on life pill? I think I’m going or need it lol.

        • Mockingbird

          I noted Pam Bondi can be the new religious outreach Secretary. A position created by ecclesiastical executive order.

          Trump can use the Truth Rundown on people that don’t obey or agree with him.

        • Mockingbird

          The good news is president Bush is looking much better now by comparison. He was a total fucking disaster and got us into two unnecessary and inhuman wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that may have killed over a million innocent people. Think about it. A guy that got a million precious men, women and children butchered looks better in comparison to Trump.

          • Mymy88

            I tried but I got a sharp pain in my head but next time, I’ll get it down.

            • Mockingbird

              Sorry. I hope you feel better.

      • chukicita

        Wake me up when the greatness starts.

        • Kestrel

          Here’s a pillow and a quilt. Would you like some music playing in the background?

          • chukicita

            Thanks, but the white noise ought to do the trick.

        • Mockingbird

          It’s fucked up. To use a technical term from social psychology.

    • he must be on drugs!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I listened to part of the Obama news conference today and just cracked up repeatedly as he did his absolute best to be gracious, positive and encouraging to the president-elect, while making it incredibly clear exactly how much work it is to be a competent and effective president.

      Barack has that “I’m almost the f*** outta here” short-timer’s thing going and I wish him well in his well-earned retirement from politics. Sandwiched in history between Bush and Trump presidency’s, he’s sure to look like a genius and an incredibly effective president, given the hand he was dealt, compared to those two dolts.

  • JJ

    Writing, which is code for reading celeb gossip. I think I figured out the playground equipment at TC new pad. Probably be a wife and new baby by next March. Hope it works out… Nice happy Scientology families and Uncle Dave coming over for dinner, (Power Bars and Kobe) and shooting practice.

  • nottrue

    If she blew it would be bigger that Leah..Oh I wish they would piss her off… .. They don’t dare Reg her on twitter… stay away from scientology fronts…https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/798213047378583553

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Opinion leader harnessing for cos’s benefit?

    • I did try to reg her, but she hasn’t responded yet. Typical!

    • Mymy88

      Oh my fucking dog.

    • chukicita

      Inner city organizations? Is that code?

    • Rasha
  • Observer

    I can’t find my tripod! Noooooo!

  • Baby

    Hi everyone.. Just coming in to say Hi.. miss you.. I am taking it easy and enjoying my life on the island now that it is not Gawd Awful hot. Love you all.. baby.. xooxox f5

    ( I am feeling better now that I know what I can and can not do..)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ae8dd58af5b9557f8f9980fc85b12c3adc5246ca1d085d8b798a7a9869da9d1.gif

    • Rasha

      BABEH!!!

      • Baby

        Hi Rashie.. You always give me the biggest welcomes..ha xo

        • Rasha

          =^_^=

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hi, beautiful <3

      • Baby

        Hi sweet Blondie.. xo ( Got company coming this weekend you might just know..)

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Ooh, have fun, and give them a kiss from me! I am also spending this weekend with some lovely friends you might just know 😀

          • Baby

            Hahaha.. well kiss them from me. The island will never be the same.
            smooches.. Wish you could be here.. ? ( all of you..)

    • daisy

      So nice to see you Baby, glad you are feeling better. We all miss you .I am glad you are adjusting to your new norm. Chronic pain and weakness is so exhausting.

      • Baby

        Thanks Daisy Dukes.. xoxox

        It is.. I’m pooped now.. Good Lord. But Mac is so loving.. Well, he’s a man..but other than that he is cool.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Hey Baby. Glad your doing OK and taking it easy. Missed Ya.
      Here is a big hug.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01a58ee9672d7582436732e5ced5a18595ae22c0ea226639402913eca8e45530.png

      • Baby

        Awwwwww so sweet.. love it Thanks honey..You ready for Santa darlin? hahhaa

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Yep. I’m ready for Santa. 🙂

          • Baby

            so cute..smooches..

    • ExCult.Jan

      Hi! So glad to hear you’re making progress – sure hope it continues!!

      PS, Baby, I have a patient who I suspect has had the same thing happen – trying to track down if/what antibiotics she may have had in the hospital for GYN surgery, pretty good chance she got cipro. She is WAY miserable, whole body pain and muscle jerking! We rx ciprofloxacin and levofloxacin all the time, have only seen 2 Achilles tendon problems ever with cipro, since floxins first came out. Both had also been given steroids around the same time. I’ve been avoiding using them unless no other antibiotic will work.

      • Baby

        Thanks Jan.. Wow.. Yes.. I was given steroids and cipro at same time.

        Let me know if you have come to the conclusion that she was put on one of the floxins. I am really proud of you that you take this patient’s issues seriously.

        Many do not. I want so bad to file with the class action suits, but I do not want it to effect my island Dr. Although he is aware of my side effect. I just couldn’t do it to him.

        Plus I am just not that person that would sue.

        I am really pissed that it has affected my quality of life..errrrrrrrgh.. Like I said..It’s my new normal ..

        but to think that it was something that was done to me really pisses me off..

        I do agree with you though that they could be taken if no other antibiotic worked..

        I will link this here for others.. to warn them Jan .. I know you know all this. xo baby

        http://www.side-effects-site.com/cipro-tendonitis.html

  • Jeb Burton

    The trouble with China, is there are too many chinks here. Ex Scientologist,” I had no idea Ron was racist.”..

    • Mymy88

      That’s “Chyna” to you buddy.

  • Cracked put pretty lulzy article out yesterday comparing Apple and Scientology.

    The Dangerous Cult You Didn’t Even Know You Were A Part Of
    http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-creepy-similarities-between-apple-scientology/

    Hopefully no owners of Apple products will take it personally. It’s a satire.

    • Mockingbird

      When Apple starts a thought reform program I will worry.

    • chukicita

      Umberto Eco wrote an essay once comparing Mac owners to Protestants and PCs to Catholicism. Or maybe it was the other way around.

    • kemist

      I’m an owner of Apple products and I found it pretty funny.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Haha.
      I hate my apple phone. Its only 12 months old.
      I really loathe the whole system/ apps/ crap camera and itunes.
      The only good thing about it is it has a metal body and is pretty.
      Iam going back to android this week and Im never swapping over again.

  • Baby

    Ran across this..thought you’d get a laugh.. I love Tim gunn ..LOVE him. f5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46afb8b31310f02646d5e69a0d9d8f2567fa28940abc146c460f1112459b6da6.jpg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’m binge-watching season 13 of PR as we speak! Love Tim Gunn.

      • Baby

        I love it! Never missed a show. I could just squeeze him.. I love him so much.. He just really tickles me!

    • Rasha

      XD

    • Mymy88

      Smokin Babyyyyyyyy! Hi! Yes, he be funny lol.

      • Baby

        Hi 88 .. He has the same sense of humor as Mac.. Funny without trying.

        • Mymy88

          Awww that’s so great! lol

          • Baby

            xo

    • Kestrel

      Baby! It’s so good to see you.

      • Baby

        Thanks Kes.. I always love seeing your beautiful bird..

        • Kestrel

          I don’t show my bird to just anybody.

          • Baby

            hhahahhahaha .. You are silly.. I just love you.

  • Observer

    Well, that was a bust. Not because the moon wasn’t huge and bright–because it was–but because in the dark I somehow managed to accidentally change a setting to something that did not work.

    At first it was good

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7832ebf24f66db86d1dd8ac3c7eb684b54a28177b6bf3ad737288c957183ad22.jpg

    See if you can tell where the setting change occurred

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6f1770a2e1dfef429a8ad20aa864c5e7780ee6d97838defb9b5089b85472e68.jpg

    Sigh

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d6328f3d4870ea870b4c94e9706e4d7b8b9fa1190cd6d1401952b215c27d88a.jpg

    Siiiiiiiiigh

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6b0316842f01090605138797d5c3ef8477320bc0b8b35dfb3e50e2b1c4674568.jpg

    • It’s not you. It’s black hole sun.

      • flyonthewall

        I blame spoon man

        • Rasha

          For Fly only! Everyone else, avert your browser….

          This spoon guy?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dys8KUnwGGg

          • flyonthewall

            5min into this…I hope the ending is good

            • Rasha

              The best…. There’s a replay button…..

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Just don’t break my rusty cage.

          • flyonthewall

            I won’t, just stop with that Jesus Christ pose ok?

    • Rasha

      Are those birds in the upper left of pic1? I’ll be honest – the simplicity is what keys one into the subtle details of the clouds and trees. I like both settings. ^_^

      • Observer

        I have no idea what that is. It looks kind of like the Pleiades, but there were no visible stars, and it’s not in the rest of the pics. I don’t think birds would have shown up white.

    • Mymy88

      Splendid pictures. Gorge!

  • What’sup
    • Rasha

      ….shattered….. by…. Tone… 40…… ness……..

      • must be her skin tone

      • Mymy88

        I did a double take. At first I thought you wrote “….shattered….. by…. Tone… 40…… mess……..”.
        You have to admit, it would probably work better as a caption hee hee.

        • Rasha

          It would, too!!!

    • Mockingbird

      WOW . I ain’t winning no beauty pageant but where is the perfect health a clear is supposed to have?

    • Observer

      Gotta love clickbait…wait, no you don’t

      • Kestrel

        At least you can’t get 20 years for clickbait.

      • What’sup

        The before and after of poor Lisa Bonet is hilarious. I wish i had a screen shot.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Dice and LongtimeLurker hope you have a larger size of your shoop (above by newest).

        It IS awesome!

    • Jimmy3

      Holy shit! She’s still considered a celebrity?

    • Observer
      • Mymy88

        You’re killing me Kirstie! You’re killing me!

      • Libertylover

        Wasn’t it Plato that said that?

        • Mymy88

          Please please please let that be the case (that Plato said it). OMG please.

          • Libertylover

            I just looked it up. Originally it was Plato but Socrates quoted it at his trial.

            • Mymy88

              Damn! That would have stuck with her real good around these parts lol.

      • Baby

        Then why don’t you Fuckin examine your life Kirstie? Examine your ” Church”.. Your Leader.. Your creator of your Con.

        I dare you.. Google is your friend.

  • Mockingbird

    In surreal totalitarian news. Several sources have reported Vice President Mike Pence supports electrocuting the gay out of people. Sarge special Emeter can be used in the golden age of homophobia for the new out of the closet rundown. John Travolta is piloting the program.

    • Rasha

      ISWYDT ^_^

      • Rasha

        “Piloting”, I mean…

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. I try, I really do.

        • Rasha

          XD

      • Mymy88

        I have no idea what ISWYDT means but I’m up voting it anyway, dammit! lol

        • Rasha

          LOL! “I see what you did there” XD

          • Mymy88

            Ah. It took me a few seconds, but then it clicked lol. But will I remember it? Nope.

  • Liberated

    Is anyone familiar with the movie “Remains of the Day” starring Antony Hopkins and Christopher Reeves?
    It’s on now and I’m amazed at the parallels, in 1930’s England the big shots of France and Germany meet at Lord Darlington’s manor.

    Germany’s declaring their desire for peace and promises all ” not to worry have no fear”
    Then then Chris Reeves character from the u.s. stands to address the party and says” this is serious business and you need serious politicians to deal with this…..calling everyone amateurs.

    So true right now, we’re all amateurs and the trump gang knows it. They’re counting on our complacency and trust. Bad guys like that always do.

    I don’t think any of us realize the magnitude of what has happened.
    Go ahead call me paranoid crazy….but I am Cassandra.

    Oh just heard John Bolton is considered for sec of state.
    Bannon has written somewhere “birth control is bad for women, makes us fat and ugly.”

    • Mymy88

      Right. Well I ain’t complacent. You should see my Facebook. I went from little ole miss never post about politics or anything controversial… never never offend anybody to GET THE HELL OUTTA MY WAY. THIS FOOL IS GOING DOWN!

      It all started a few months ago when one of my so called Facebook friends referred to gays as sodomites. I was like alright, that does it! Miss Nancy Nicey is singing a new tune called this is how I feel about it and if you don’t like it, then get yo ass on off my Facebook, please and thank you and oh, have a good life.

      • Liberated

        I’ve never considered you complacent, I know you’ve spoken out.
        I was referring to people in general, especially the idiots that actually believe trump will improve the job situation and voted for him. Please do not think I meant people in the bunker ,all of us have spoken out with outrage.

        • Mymy88

          Oh I know you didn’t think anything like that. My alter ego is coming out in my later life I guess because I can only tolerate so much BS and there comes a point where it’s all bets are off and I bet you thought you knew me. But I have an edge. I’m cheating a little bit. I’ve already lived my life. All in all it was a good life. Time for some rough and tumble granny rumblin!

          ETA: Edited for clarification

          • Liberated

            Looks like we’re in the same boat. Yeah, I’ve said that I’ve tolerated all the crap I could take and I just don’t put up with it anymore.
            So here we are, I’m loud and I’m proud.

            • Mymy88

              I know, right? My problem is I used to be conservative. I used to watch Fox and CNN and then I started noticing that both of them did shady little things like sins of omission and telling only one side of the story so I began to gradually drift and kept drifting to where I am now. So naturally, Facebook and in real life, to this very day, I have more conservative friends than not.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Respect.

              That’s a challenging position to be in, no matter what your political leanings.

            • Mymy88

              Thanks. Yeah, it’s been challenging. Last time I checked 7 or 8 people unfriend me but oddly, there is something about that, that feels kind of good. It’s hard for me to describe. It shouldn’t feel good. I’m sure I hurt a couple of people’s feelings and I really really hated that but I wanted to be honest. That’s the worse part. I know I hurt people’s feelings 🙁

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s hard to go through life standing up for yourself and not accidentally hurt someone’s feelings, at least occasionally.

              You’re not doing it deliberately and you’re aware when it does happen, and those things are what count, imho.

              …although I am not a human interaction expert. Or anything relevant to this.

              But you know, I could still be right. : )

            • Mymy88

              Yeah, I know what you mean. I feel better that you said that 🙂 Thank you.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I just read up on Bolton. What a piece of work that guy is.

      And anyone who lets Steve Bannon do anything more important than sweeping floors is a bigger idiot than he is.

      • Liberated

        Well, Bannon has a position of HUGE influence and power and there is nothing we can do about it.
        As for Bolton, he is so hawkish he makes other neo-cons look weak.
        World war 3, look out.

        • LongtimeLurker

          “But Trump is more peaceful than Clinton!”

          smh

          • Liberated

            No no no. Where did you get that?
            That idiot trump said if someone in u.s. air space gave us the finger he would attack.
            Hillary Clinton was sec. of state, she understands that world.
            She was not a hawk. I find that distortion upsetting.

            She would have been a wonderful president, she was a well respected senator and was praised for her ability to cooperate.
            She understands politics and has proved her expertise her entire career.

            Trump has no idea what he’s doing and I personally think he’s scared shitless.
            The sad thing is neither do the idiots around him.

            The only thing HC is guilty of is being a female. That girl’s been attacked for 30 years, people hate smart powerful women.
            Double standards are alive and well my friend.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I got that from (some) of those on the right (a few right here) who parroted that ill-informed lie throughout the election.

              Personally I have issues with Clinton, but they’re not the same as the extreme right’s lies and I still think she would have been an almost infinitely better president than Trump.

              And I agree that closeted misogyny was at work. No doubt.

            • Liberated

              The sad thing is misogyny is not closeted,nor extreme racism anymore.
              It’s only getting worse.

  • Kestrel

    I’m sure this was covered somewhere downthread. Mike Rinder published an excellent essay on scientology disconnection today.

    • Some great comments too.

      • Kestrel

        Yes. Informative.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Disconnection is not “optional.” Any more than being asked “Hanging or firing squad” makes execution “a person’s choice.”

  • MadMaxi

    Gwen Ifill passed away today at age 61. Man, this year sucks. My Friday night just got a little less bright.

    • MadMaxi

      Sorry didn’t know it was already posted below… still sucks, I loved her on PBS.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Fly wanted some breaking news.

    Breaking News
    with our Broken Democracy correspondent, Faith Less E. Lector
    Lawyers have asked that the Trump “University” fraud case be postponed until after January 20th.
    President-elect Trump begins acting on his immigration promises of deporting “criminals.”
    He is believed to be moving to Cuernavaca with Melania and Bannon Barron by week’s end.

    Forrest Lucas, Steve Mnuchin, Gingrich, Giuliani, Bannon -Steve Fucking Wife-Beating Bannon,
    Christie, Palin, Sessions, Bolton, Bondi, Flynn, Hunter, Carson, Huckabee, …

    Dick Gaughan sings about it, albeit Scotland in his case –
    “Such a parcel of rogues in a nation ..”

    You call that a cabinet?
    No carpenter could make a cabinet like this.
    It’s a fricking gallows pole with strange fruit.

    Oh, yes and add an unhealthy dose of nepotism – no blind trust envisaged (or even understood)
    and that smarmy pair of ignorant layabout sons on the transition team together with the daughter
    he would have dated. And now top security clearance for the bastard brood?
    I wouldn’t give ’em the combination to my locker at the dojo.

    The Decline and Fall of the American Empire.
    America, you have been trolled by the most successful troll in history.
    Somewhere out on Target 2, Lafaillite is green with envy.

    In Syria and Afghanistan, in Saudi and Baluchistan, extremists and terrorists
    are celebrating their victory in the Presidential election.
    By small fires, men warm their hands and drink tea sweetened by their future dreams.
    In caves, in desert tents, in modern condominiums,…
    But especially in exclusive penthouses and walled billionaire compounds,.
    “Apres nous, le deluge.”

    P.S. Roe V Wade was a Supreme Court decision too, you total tinpot orange tosser.
    At least you can pronounce “nuclear”, unlike the last sub-100 IQ eejit in that office.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d71cea9aebbfefa015f6352ef978525d3b058fc5697b0c9ac747f56ccd9502d.jpg

  • Mockingbird

    Good day Bunkeroos..

    I am happy to see a torches and pitchforks march from Congress to Trump hotel.

    At the Trump protest on Saturday in Buffalo New York a sign said Trump Eats Wings With A Fork !

    I hope no one falls for his kinder, gentler president elect bullshit act.

    He has MILLIONS of people pissed now. He can pretend to walk back everything to get us passive and then one at a time target each group. Do deportation, a month later stop and frisk, a month later gay rights are gone, a month later women lose rights, a month later journalists and dissidents get to experience indefinite detention and torture. I might have the order wrong, but he can pick us off one group at a time if we fall for the rope a dope.

    We need to protest much, much more and have millions of Americans at his inauguration.

    Remember only eighteen percent of Americans voted for him. Only just about twenty five percent of eligible voters voted for him. Do not fall for the everybody or half of everybody voted for racism. We didn’t.

    • flyonthewall

      and what of the 43% who didn’t vote at all? I judge them guilty of complicity by silence

      • Mockingbird

        That’s an excellent point. I think there is a big enough shit sandwich for a lot of bites to go around.

        I feel no matter how you slice it a lot of people aren’t going to be happy.

      • As the great parliamentarian Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

  • Jimmy3

    Remember that time America tried to chemtrail bomb the Supermoon? I do. Because it was about an hour ago. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67f725620d20150bdaa1f0ec13fb1e134fdacbe8affce3aa36f6f6bbfb0c9ca6.jpg

  • Do not haul at the moon!

  • Andrew Robertson, how are you, Sir?

    • Andrew Robertson

      Hi Dodo

      The earthquakes still continue every couple of minutes but the intensity has diminished considerably.

      Hopefully the country will get back to the average of 5,000 quakes per year. Heavy rain and gale force winds continue, inconvenient but tolerable.

      I’ve just come back from the shops with essential medical supplies – 6 bottles of Pinot Gris which should keep me tranquilized for a couple of days…

      Andrew

      • I don’t even.. Just hugs.

      • chukicita

        90 mph gusts are “inconvenient?” Sir, you have steel juevos.

      • Ella Raitch

        That’s the spirit…can’t imagine what this must feel like

  • Dave Reams

    Looking at that profile picture of the young Ron in Guam I see the spitting features of Dave Miscavige’s face!

  • daisy

    According to CTV news the donations to the ACLU and pro-choice have increased. Many of the donations to planned parenthood are donated in Mike Pence name. He will receive a certificate for those donations. See that is the America I love. Screw you Pence.

    • Liberated

      It’s Pence. He’s says he going to continue being our governor until Jan.
      Everyone hated him long before this election, there’s been “Pence must Go ” signs in people’s yards for years.
      His anti-gay legislation has hurt the state a lot, we’ve lost people who took their businesses else where, but so what.
      When you turn off the gay community,you only hurt yourselves.
      I thought a person started a business to make money, who’s gonna pay their bills, Jesus?

      • daisy

        Of course I knew that was his name, my brain slow tonight – slower

        • Liberated

          That’s ok girlfriend.

      • chukicita

        It is more than simply turning off the gay community…when you refuse to extend equal civil rights it annoys a lot of folks.

  • Mockingbird

    In Trump news the New York Times reported protests in over fifty U.S. cities since the election. The American Nazi Party and the LOL were thrilled that Trump hired noted racist, homophobe, misogynist and antisemitism Stephen Bannon. They said it fulfills a promise to keep white nationalist values in the white house. Trump satisfied his base by fulfilling a promise.

  • Mockingbird

    Trump has pledged to round up incarcerate and deport two or three million immigrants.He claimed they are criminals and have committed many crimes. He plans to round them all up, incarcerate them and deport them AFTER the border situation is straightened out.

    That means he will indefinitely detain a limitless number of people all chosen by his discretion and have zero accountability for a trial or defense. He will also be enslaving them if he requires them to perform involuntary labor. He may capture and indefinitely detain anyone he chooses and possibly enslave them.

    This is not something I can ever support. 60 Minutes was incredibly stupid to not point this out.

    Trump demonized one group first and most harshly in his campaign. Immigrants. He called them rapists, murderers and drug dealers.

    By picking a group already considered criminals by some he starts with the easiest easiest scapegoats.

    If people accept it he will expand it bit by bit. He will call others terrorists too. No trials.

    That is how you take us apart bit by bit.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Poor Patton. This year must have been hell for him.

        • Liberated

          I know I love him he’s so funny.

          • LongtimeLurker

            He’s the best.

        • Eliza Doolittle

          I’m so impressed with how he’s dealt with that. He’s inspiring.

    • chukicita

      Criminalizing undocumented aliens is stupid, but it is not slavery. (Being undocumented is a civil offense, not a criminal one.)

      • LongtimeLurker

        Mockingbird is talking about forced prison work, I believe.

        Number plates and the like.

        Which, it has been argued, fits the UN definition of slavery.

      • Mockingbird

        He said he will round them up and imprison them. No trials. See ? His logic is perfect. They don’t get to PROVE they are not gang members or rapists as they get no day say in court. Indefinite detention is legally allowed now.

        And saying he will wait for the border situation hypothesis to be straightened out gives him unlimited time.

        It’s like suspending the constitution until we win the war on terror. It has no end. It’s too vague to mean anything from a legal perspective.

        This is his game. He wants to kill us into accepting one compromise. But if you understand all it entails this one step is the whole game.

        Once he gets some really bad criminal drug dealers and rapists to put on TV he will have the whole con set.

        He can be meticulous at first in finding really horrible criminals. Show them to the world. Say isn’t the country safer with them locked up ? Then have indefinite detention be normal. Then detain more immigrants. Then more. Then some US citizens. What can they do ? They have no right to a trial, no right to a lawyer. That’s the whole ballgame.

        He can imprison them bit by bit, group by group. He has backed off gay people and women because they are too powerful and too accepted by society.

        He only needs to get two groups. He knows if he starts with immigrants it gives him a group with millions of members.

        The next group is terror suspects because that will justify zero accountability for murder and torture.

        He will say it is needed for security. To be safe we must be ruthless.

        Americans are done if they accept even the first step, by the second it is normal and gay people will be grateful to keep gay rights and marriage, women will be grateful to keep abortion.

        He can leave those alone at first. It is a misdirection play
        The sympathetic high profile groups will be left alone at first to make him seem reasonable and same. Normal. That’s the whole com.

    • Liberated

      Round ’em up…that was a popular phrase of Saddam Hussein.
      Destroying a person’s life does not happen over night, it’s a slow moving insidious ugly agenda paved with lies and convincing deceptions.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Pop quiz.

    Who said “Voting for Donald Trump is like asking Stevie Wonder to drive.”?

    • Tony Ortega

      Stevie Wonder did.

      • LongtimeLurker

        : )

  • Liberated

    Adeen Monsoon is on Late Late show.

    • LongtimeLurker

      ElNiño Mezzanine?

      Did you sort out your Netflixing?

      • Liberated

        Yes I did, but don’t ask me how. I turned off the iPad plugged it up went to bed and it worked the next day.
        So it’s fine.
        The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is hilarious.
        Do you think they stole that title from Tony?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Turning it off and on would have restarted the app. You could always do that if it happens again.

          Holy cow – I never considered that about Kimmy Schmidt. Well spotted.

          I’m gonna do some Googling.

          Tony? What do you think?

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    The real story is what COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige did when he was sixteen years old. When COB was sixteen he was taking on the IRS, Interpol, German Psychiatry, Big Pharma, Ely Lilly, and even Monsanto who was working with the CIA to steal the advanced materials of Scientology. What was the Founder doing? Sailing on a tramp steamer with his parents? We in RTC are not impressed.

    Mr. Miscavige singlehandedly beat back the planetary forces of global suppression and today stands at the helm of the Scientology religion which has, under his leadership, grown to become the fastest growing religion in the world.

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/dm-ihop.png?w=500

    • Liberated

      Breakfast for champions!

      • Juicer77

        And then a nice, long nap.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Well yes, even we mighty OTVIII’s need a nap after intense carbo-loading at IHOP.

    • Hamtaro

      Looks like teenage DM had the situation scattered, smothered, peppered, covered, diced, capped, topped and chunked.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Sir, just a reminder.

      It’s also worth pointing out that soon after those wonderful achievements you list, COB RTC Rear-Admiral David Miscavige Esq. was giving gainful, sometimes even paid, work to hundreds of Continent Western United State’s long-unemployed workers.

      Legions of Theatrical Set Designers (Liberace/Fascist Style), Trophy Craftspeople (Huge & Meaningless) and Certificate Illustrators (Cumbersome and Misspelled) have him to thank for almost keeping their families fed since the early 1990s

      Something that “Source” had too long neglected.

    • OOkpik
      • Liberated

        God, I love you.

        • OOkpik

          Frankly, your comments annoy me…
          ’cause I don’t get to hear that beautiful Aussie accent! <3

          ETA: OH CRAP! This was supposed to be for Lurker!
          I'm going back to the Bunker Geezer's Corner.

  • did i see someone posting this Howdy image in a bigger size, some days ago? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d15db877a7853c7e25d3d1d229420c780c8dd4bcb4c11c70154d2c9f20b91028.jpg

  • madame duran

    Whoops! Very, very late in posting this (I blame work life). Still…I’m gonna promote this thing regardless.
    LEAH REMINI and THE EXES (no…it’s not a rock band) vs. THE CULT (a real band but not the subject of what I’m talking about).
    Catch it all on A&E, November 29th @ 10pm Eastern!!
    https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20161129T22&p0=179&msg=Leah+Remini%3A+Scientology+%26+The+Aftermath+%28docuseries%29&font=slab&csz=1

    • Missionary Kid

      And that’s just the first installment! Aren’t there a total of 9 installments of an hour each? Ohboyohboyohboy.

      • madame duran

        Tru dat.
        I think there will be eight 1-hour episodes in total.

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re right, of course.

  • Graham

    Well that super-moon wasn’t so ‘super’. Beaten by UK’s 100% cloud cover which made it totally invisible.

    About as ‘super’ and effective as $cientology super-powerz [Guaranteed to be at cause over MEST unless there’s an SP in the vicinity or Real Life manages to intrude in some other way].

    • Missionary Kid

      Don’t worry. From Wikipedia: A full moon at perigee is visually larger up to 14% in diameter and shines 30% brighter than one at its farthest point, or apogee.

      You can read all about it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermoon It really isn’t any big deal.

  • LongtimeLurker