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Trouble for Scientology in 1966: When the Daily Mail called L. Ron Hubbard’s degrees ‘bogus’

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Our helper is back who dives through obscure newspaper archives in search of forgotten Scientology history. Last time, he found for us a really remarkable 1968 interview of L. Ron Hubbard when a Daily Mail reporter, Peter Smith, tracked him down on his ship in Bizerte, Tunisia.

Our tipster kept digging, and found that the Daily Mail was also hot on the trail of Hubbard and Scientology two years earlier, and produced three substantial pieces that year about the movement as it existed then. At the time, there was growing pressure in the UK about doing something about the stream of young people who were coming to East Grinstead from various parts of the world to do something weird they called Scientology.

Today we have the first of those three pieces, published on February 14, 1966 as a Daily Mail “Newsight” investigation into Hubbard’s academic claims. We’ve done our best to preserve the original text as closely as we could. We found it a pretty good general description of Scientology and debunking of Hubbard some 20 years before writers like Russell Miller and Jon Atack and Bent Corydon were able to dive into matters in much greater length with their books after Hubbard’s 1986 death.

Dig in, and let us know what struck you about this drubbing of Hubbard at the hands of this crusading newspaper…

 

The pseudo-psychological cult of Scientology is based on the teachings of an American ex-science fiction writer whose claims to academic degrees are bogus. To outsiders the most astonishing fact about it is the way it has spread around the world. It has many thousands of devoted adherents.

Scientology was founded by Nebraska-born Lafayette Ron Hubbard in America in 1950.

It was based on a book he had written two years earlier called Dianetics, a science by which he claimed the human mind could be processed back to previous lives. [Underground Bunker note: Dianetics actually came out in 1950 not 1948, and Hubbard came up with ‘Scientology’ two years later in 1952 when he was regrouping in Phoenix after Dianetics had a disastrous 1951.]

 
Scientology branches, known there as Founding Churches, were opened across the U.S., then Hubbard moved to Britain.

In 1959 he bought Saint Hill Manor, near East Grinstead, Sussex, with its 30 acres of garden and park, swimming pool and lake, and made it his international headquarters. The house previously belonged to the Maharajah of Jaipur.

It is equipped as a large-scale enterprise with photographic equipment, tape recorders and a telex machine to communicate regularly with 16 main branches throughout the world. There is a headquarters staff of 200.

Today there are Scientology groups not only in Britain and the U.S., but in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Hawaii. Scientology claims to have “millions” of followers in the world with between 5,000 and 10,000 (“possibly many more”) in Britain.

 
IN DECEMBER the State of Victoria, Australia, outlawed Scientology after an official inquiry branded its methods there as “evil.”

The inquiry revealed there were 4,000 personal files on followers in Melbourne alone. It also showed that 10 percent of the money they paid was remitted to Saint Hill Manor, a total of £26,166 from July 1958-June 1963.

In Britain, fees for study and “processing” courses range from £2 to £360. The London branch office in Fitzroy Street, Bloomsbury, is well attended and free introductory lectures are given five nights a week.

Hubbard, 54, describes himself as a writer, student, explorer, pioneer in horticulture and many other fields, nuclear physicist, civil engineer, glider pilot, master boatsman, philosopher, and “one of the prime movers in the U.S. effort of getting man out into space.”

He claims to have “many degrees and is very skilled by reason of study.” He commonly uses the title “doctor.”

 
A SEARCHING inquiry by Newsight found his only doctorate to be a self-invented, self-bestowed D.Scn. — a Doctor of Scientology.

Hubbard’s claims are sprinkled throughout his writings. (He is said in one of his books to have written 15 million words.)

They are listed in his biographical entry in the American publication, Who’s Who in the South and South West, 1965-66 edition.

The publishers say these details were supplied and verified by him. They were also checked by Newsight. These are the findings:

B.S. in Civil Engineering, George Washington University, 1934, where Hubbard says he was in the first nuclear physics class. The university says he was there from autumn 1930 to spring 1932, and has never received any degree whatsoever in civil engineering, nuclear physics or any other subject.

Ph.D. Sequoia U., 1950: No Sequoia University is listed in the U.S. There is a College of the Sequoias in California, but it is a junior college which confers no degree above Associate in Arts. There is no record that Hubbard ever attended it.

A private institution, housed in a Los Angeles residence, used to call itself Sequoia University. It was unaccredited, its degrees unrecognised.

Student, Princeton School of Government, 1945: Hubbard has never been enrolled as a student at Princeton University either as graduate or undergraduate. An undated entry in the Registrar’s Office says: “L. R. Hubbard Military Government,” suggesting a war service study course.

Master of motor vessels, master of sailing vessels (all oceans), radio operator: Hubbard’s last license (No. 12523) for uninspected sail vessels, under 700 tons gross, issued on April 4, 1946, is no longer valid. There is no record of any radio officer license.

Commander of the Caribbean Motion Picture Exhibition and W.I. Minerals Expedition, 1935: The Motion Picture Association Inc. can trace no reference to this expedition.

Alaskan Radio Experimental Expedition, 1940: The State of Alaska’s Department of Public Works, the Federal Communications Commission and the University of Alaska can find no trace of this expedition.

Mem. 163d. Inf. Mont. N.G. 1927-28: “Ronald Hubbard” enlisted in the Montana National Guard on October 19, 1927. At his discharge on October 29, 1928, he was a private.

Lt. U.S.N.R. 1941-46, commanding escort vessels and navigating in all theatres: Hubbard did serve as a lieutenant in U.S. Naval Reserve.

Fellow, Oceanographic Foundation: The Oceanographic Society Inc. of New York knows of no such Foundation, but does not dispute that it may exist.

Hubbard is a member, in good standing, of The Explorers Club, New York, and the Capital Yacht Club, Washington.

His claim to be one of the prime movers in getting man into space was put to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Washington. They state he is not connected with NASA “in any capacity.”

Scientologists stress their “philosophy” cannot be effectively explained to outsiders. The non-scientologist is baffled by Hubbard’s prolific invention of words (engram, anaten, thetan).

Its purpose is succinctly laid down in his publication: Scientology: the Fundamentals of Thought (5s.). Chapter 10, two sentences long, is headed “The Goals of Scientology” and states:

“The end object of Scientology is not the making into nothing of all existence or the freeing of the individual of any and all traps everywhere. The goal of scientology is the making of the individual capable of living a better life in his own estimation and with his fellows and the playing of a better game.”

 
NOT the most modest of Hubbard’s claims for Scientology is his statement (Chapter 7, Fundamentals of Thought):

“Probably the greatest discovery of Scientology and its most forceful contribution to the knowledge of mankind has been the isolation, description and handling of the human spirit. Accomplished in July 1951 in Phoenix, Arizona, I established along scientific rather than religious or humanitarian lines that the thing which is the person, the personality, is separable from the body and the mind at will and without causing bodily death or mental derangement.”

Hubbard’s name for the spirit is the thetan. His discoveries about the thetan are remarkable: it appears to be from “a quarter of an inch to two inches in diameter,” normally inhabits the skull of the MEST body (MEST: Matter, Energy, Space, Time). It is subject to deterioration, is usually either blind or dim-sighted at first.

By Scientology processes the thetan can be separated at will from the MEST body. It is then capable of extraordinary achievements.

In his book, Scientology: A History of Man (15s.), Hubbard makes a solemn appeal to “cleared thetans”:

“Let’s not go upsetting governments and putting on a show to prove anything to homo sapiens for a while: it’s a horrible temptation to knock off hats at 50 yards and read books a couple of countries away and get into the rotogravure section and the Hearst Weeklies — but you’ll just make it tough on somebody else who is trying to get across the bridge.”

A History of Man, first published in 1952, begins with the statement:

“This is a cold-blooded and factual account of your last 60 trillion years.” The knowledge it contains will make “the blind see again, the lame walk, the ill recover, the insane become sane and the sane become saner.”

 
DELVING back into pre-history, Hubbard discovered a “clam-like animal that may be the missing link in the evolutionary chain.” This he names the “Weeper” or the “Boo-Hoo,” so-called because it had to pump salt water to obtain food. The pumping tubes were later to become the eyes in the human being.

The Boo-Hoo marked the transition from life in the water to life on land. Its plights were “many and pathetic.”

On reaching the beach the Boo-Hoo was menaced by “too much salt water, the boiling hot sun, volcanic eruptions and even preying birds.”

(Since the Boo-Hoo was the first life to emerge from the sea, the presence of preying birds remains unexplained.)

The Piltdown Man is also discussed:

“The PILTDOWN contains freakish acts of strange ‘logic’ of demonstrating dangerous [sic] on one’s fellows, of eating one’s wife and other somewhat illogical activities. The PILTDOWN teeth were ENORMOUS and he was quite careless as to whom and what he bit and often very much surprised at the resulting damage.”

(The Piltdown Man, found in Sussex between 1911-1913 and thought to be 600,000 years old, was exposed in 1953 as a scientific hoax. The Piltdown reference is still contained in the Fifth Edition, 1965, of Hubbard’s book.)

 
HUBBARD believes that people are affected, mentally and physically, by memories of being eaten by animals in previous lives. He states: “Psoriasis (a skin disease) may be caused by the action of digestive fluid in some incident where the preclear was being eaten. Subject to test.”

These discoveries were apparently made by searching back through previous lives. Using this technique Hubbard has twice visited Heaven, the first occasion was “43,891,832,611,177 years, 344 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds from 10:02 1/2 p.m. Daylight Greenwich Time, May 9, 1963.” The second was some years later.

Heaven was described by Hubbard in his bulletin of May 11, 1963:

“The gates of the first series are well done, well built. An avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The gate pillars are surmounted by marble angels. The entering grounds are very well kept, laid out like Bush Gardens in Pasadena, so often seen in the movies.

“The second series, probably in the same place, shows what a trillion years of overt acts does (or is an additional trickery to collapse one’s time). The place is shabby. The vegetation is gone. The pillars are scruffy. The saints have vanished. So have the angels. A sign on one (the left as you enter) says: ‘This is Heaven.’ The right has the sign ‘Hell.’…”

(At Saint Hill, Hubbard’s personal spokesman explained that the technique involved in this process could not be explained to the layman: “You are going up into the higher realms.”)

 
SCIENTOLOGY, which was “born in the same crucible as the atomic bomb,” is claimed to be “the principle [sic] agency that is preventing and treating people for radiation at this time.” This statement is made in a book published in 1957, called All About Radiation (15s.), which is on sale at Scientology branches.

In this, Hubbard discloses the formula of a substance he calls Dianazene which he says proofs people against radiation and cancer.

The formula is given as: Nictonic [sic] acid 200 mg.; Iron ferrous gluconate 10 grains; Vitamin B1 25 mg.; Vitamin B2 — Riboflavin 50 mg.; Vitamin C — Ascorbic acid 200 to 500 mg.; Dicalcium phosphate 25 to 35 grains.

A leading medical authority commented: “The proportion of iron is high and might give some people indigestion. The inclusion of nicotonic acid is surprising and its only known therapeutic value, and this is doubtful, is for chilblains.”

At Saint Hill Manor, Hubbard lives with his wife, Mary Sue, and four of their six children, looked after by a cook, Brown the butler, and a small personal staff. Hubbard was “not available” to Newsight.

At any time, about 120 students are undergoing processing at Saint Hill, the international Mecca of Scientology. This involves the “preclears” (patients) being “audited.”

The auditor is “one who listens, computes, and guides another with the intention of helping the preclear resolve the problems of his life.”

Frequently an electrical instrument called a Hubbard E Meter, which measures changes in the resistance of the human body, is used. Hubbard buys the meters for £17 each, and offers them for sale at £50 each (£40 to international members).

 
HUBBARD’S personal assistant and spokesman, Mr. Reg Sharpe, wearing the gilt and blue badge of a clear (a person released from all mental aberrations), said that unless preclears were audited by students (when it was free) the standard charge was £28 for a course of 160 hours.

Newsight has details of far more expensive courses. For example: Power processing; To Grade 5 release (second stage)(no rebates) £360 minimum or 1,000 dollars: Special briefing course £275, 775 dollars, Class VII interne course (staff members only) £275, 775 dollars.

Mr. Sharpe said the Australian report was “scurrilous and biased,” that in every case where Scientology is alleged to have harmed someone the true cause has been shown to be something else: “Produce them. Produce the people who have been harmed.”

He was confident that Scientology would go on from strength to strength and would not be outlawed.

He said: “We are just a bunch of guys who are trying to do some good on this planet. You won’t stop us. You can’t stop two people talking — and that’s all we do.”

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on November 4, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Beautiful drone flyovers at Scientology’s Gold Base compound

    Huh. BoingBoing is behind, that’s the first one at Int Base.

  • nottrue
    • phew, i’m only 12.5% toxic … honestly thought it would’ve been a lot higher

      thanks, Scientology person that posted this on teh Internetz!

      total additional savings today $21

    • OOkpik

      A Toxic Test from a Toxic Organization. No surprise there!

    • Rasha

      …and not one mention of spiders! That alone made me more alert!

      Corrected title:

      Clear Body,
      Clear Mind,
      and Cleavage Tarantulas.

  • Someone is sending a message: http://bernie.cncfamily.com/ars.htm

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Pffft!

    • Chee Chalker

      All you have to do to figure out where this guy is coming from is to look at the Anti-Scientology Myths section, subsection Lisa McPherson.
      That and the link to ‘Ron Miscavige and how his son saved him’ (it’s ad)

      ’nuff said

      I spent all of 1 minute at his ‘blog’

      It’s garbage

      • Mymy88

        “…subsection Lisa McPherson. That and the link to ‘Ron Miscavige and how his son saved him’ (it’s ad)”

        I spent one minute too but missed that. Oh geeeez. And now we know.

    • JaxNGold

      Clearly this fool doesn’t know much about the atrocities the CO$ has reaped upon its members and ex-members. The abuses, Fair Game, torture, held against will…among other numerous, vile shit. What an ignorant fool.

    • Mymy88

      Somebody needs to get a clue. See “JaxNGold” post on this thread if anyone reading this needs a clue. Thank you.

  • Looks like the Gubberment has developed it’s own version of the Tone Scale F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2239afb1d31a50403bca00fe04aa0875e23c1c4cd6fb40c15011ec393a611459.png

  • aegerprimo

    OT – excellent National Geographic documentary with Leonard DeCaprio – free to watch through Sunday…
    “Before the Flood”

    https://youtu.be/90CkXVF-Q8M

  • AntoniaW

    There are many ways of classifying aberrant behaviour; perhaps literature can often be as good a guide as DSM-5, whilst research into the mind continues. How about this (Walter Mitty syndrome) for Hubbard in the meantime?

    http://richardpettymd.com/2006/10/walter-mitty-syndrome/
    “If you ever meet one of these great fabulists, ask them to write down their stories: they are often generated by the most wonderfully creative people. And more than one has gone on to collect high honors.
    Challenging people like this is rarely helpful. They are spinning these yarns to protect and bolster themselves. Destroying their defences can be disastrous. There are a few who tell these tales because of grandiosity or narcissism, but most are just unfortunate people who feel the need to project a new image of themselves.
    Listen politely; don’t commit yourself, and let them carry on. Unless they are using their tales to “con” people, it is often best to leave them alone.”

    The corollary to this is obvious: if they are using their tales to con people, you have to challenge them. Which is what you lot are doing.

  • Observer
    • Rasha

      Woah. Who’s got the dodecahedron head? That pretty much rocks.

      • Observer

        That is Master Rahool, a Cryptarch. Cryptarchs decrypt digitally encoded armor and weapon relics from the long-gone Golden Age. These relics are called–and I am not yanking your chain–engrams. Since it’s the Festival of the Lost (a Halloweenish holiday) in Destiny, Master Rahool is wearing a mask. An engram mask.

        • Rasha

          O.o …engram mask….

          This. Game. Sounds. Awesome.

      • iampissed

        Can that be word cleared?

      • A doodyhead?

        • Rasha

          LOL

    • LongtimeLurker

      I sometimes use L Ron Hubbard in games. No one’s ever commented.

      I do get some reactions when I use ‘Xenu and the Thetans’, tho’,

      • It’s like peeps, catch on to the meme, that those symbols is going to penetrate the inner core secrets in the Cult!

    • aegerprimo
      • Robert Eckert

        This cat was raised with show horses:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAzp5fMJTtk

        • daisy

          I come for the anti-sci , I stay for the animal videos.

        • Mymy88

          That was funny! I would name that cat Prancer.

          I was watching my cat do the robot sneak up thing while she was stalking a squirrel today. It was hard not to laugh. I didn’t want to startle the squirrel away. But don’t worry, that cat has never caught one. I don’t know why she hasn’t given up by now.

        • Rasha

          MOXEH!!!

      • aegerprimo

        I’m sorry Obs. I do not play video games, but if I did, I would ride a huge cat with a mega-sword.
        My age is showing….
        but I used to be an avid Dungeons and Dragons player. I still have all my dice.

      • Rasha

        I am humbled to know that I live in a time where an image such as this can be summoned at will, without flint or tinder…..

    • Sherbet

      It should be, “Hubbard? DUCK!”

  • nottrue
    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      They deflated or she released her boobie BTs.

      • Inflatable BT’s :-O – I like that

      • Rasha

        Boobie Thetans? Dumb-ass Boobie Thetans? *dramatically* If only we had tech to deal with this….

        • Loooooool!!!!! So many of them… like the gremlins

    • daisy

      No need to convince , facts are facts

    • aegerprimo

      I do not know WTF she said.

      • Me either!

      • Mymy88

        Hi aegerprimo, let’s play WTF did she say. I’ll go with “you think you’re hot snot but you’re cold boogers.” We’ll never know what she meant.

        • aegerprimo

          Words

      • iampissed

        Yep

      • Robert Eckert

        My guess:
        [yo]u’r[e] not hot[, you girls wearing] bob [hair]cuts

        • Mymy88

          “[yo]u’r[e] not hot[, you girls wearing] bob [hair]cuts”

          By George I think you’ve got it! Now please throw it back… ba dum tiss!

    • daisy

      Oh so you keep your brains in your boobs.

      • It’s Friday… she is going on like this until she passes out

        • daisy

          I am drunk and about to pass out, yet I can still string a coherent sentence together

          • what?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ha!

            • daisy

              ,,,;

            • lol

          • Liberated

            Sing it..sister!

      • Observer

        No, just her bigotry

        • Mockingbird

          Oh come now, no one has boobs that big !

          • she has 3

            • Mockingbird

              Total Recall !

        • you should shoop a bigotry so we can see how one of those looks. I could imagine some kind of furniture!

    • keep posting Krusty tweets… please!

      • aegerprimo

        Yes, her whack-a-doodle is fun to read!

    • daisy

      Seriously I have never seen a sect of people so proud to be uneducated.

      • iampissed

        Jinx

    • Observer

      But what about her vag?!

      • LongtimeLurker

        …said no one ever.

        • daisy

          howl

      • Mockingbird

        Uh…I guess you can look if you want…

        • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

          Look but just don’t grab her pussy.

          • Mockingbird

            Only Trump has the rank for that !

      • iampissed

        I’m going to apologize in advance….Low Hanging Fruit.

        • Rasha

          SsshhhhhhBAPBAPBAPBAP!!!

    • iampissed

      She is just mimicking LRH. Say anything just make sure you get noticed.

    • Rasha

      OH! OH! OH! Who has the tarantula?????

    • JaxNGold

      Her hypocrisy just kills me.

      “…condescending white bitches trying to convince the rest of us we’re fuckng stupid..”

      Oh, kinda like you do to every non-$cientologist?? Wow.

      • Chee Chalker

        Excellent point

    • Kirstie is some OT. Even Dave doesn’t know what to do with this mess.

      • iampissed

        Yea can you imagine, he’s sitting there thinking what am I going to do with this in ten years.
        Sucks to be you dude.

      • Rasha

        It is so fun to watch the results of his labor. Get them big stars in here, they’re gonna be the public face of Scientology at its most popular.

        Catch-22 caliber footbullet, Sir! You can’t rein ’em in, and you can’t piss ’em off! All you can do is try to force someone to convince someone else to coerce someone else to hint to them to please for Xenu’s sake, shut the hell up.

        …and it ain’t gonna happen. Enjoy your little show.

        • Mymy88

          Ha ha, the bigger they are, the harder they crush your balls when they wake up (yep, that was for you Miscavige.

        • iampissed

          Sir! You can’t rein ’em in, and you can’t piss ’em off! All you can do is try to force someone to convince someone else to coerce someone else to hint to them to please for Xenu’s sake, shut the hell up.

          That’s a big yes!

      • Sherbet

        I understand he placed a call to the LDS, begging them to take Kirstie off his hands.

        • iampissed

          how did that work out….

          • Sherbet

            ..

          • iampissed

            No thanks

            • Sherbet

              ..

          • Sherbet

            They told him to try the Westboro Baptists.

            • daisy

              Nobody makes me giggle like you Sherb

            • Sherbet

              I consider that a big compliment, daze.

            • Ella Raitch

              You make me giggle like Sherb!

            • daisy

              heart emojis

      • Harpoona Frittata

        He is happy to have her in reserve, though, just in case he needs her to go completely mad dog on someone. In $cn there’s a place for everyone…unless your poor, or black, or wanting to have a family, or…

    • iampissed

      What’s hot bob cuts…it’s Friday, I just don’t want to do it.

    • Mockingbird

      Wow. Kirstie Alley should know better than to use generalities especially when saying something negative. Come on Kirstie Alley, look at the characteristics of the social and anti social personality per Hubbard in your ethics book. Exact time, place, form and event is called for.

      • iampissed

        My understanding.

      • Rasha

        *reads…. almost sets down glass… takes another drink… sets down glass… squints… reads….*

        ….Yeah!

        *picks up glass… sits back in a self-satisfied way…. *

      • aegerprimo

        She will never get a clue.

      • Missionary Kid

        Remember that in Hubbardspeak, there’s all sorts of opposing things that can be cited to back up one’s reasoning. On top of that the one who’s given the most money gets ruled as being right. Krustie’s probably given a lot of money, so whatever she says is true, is true.

        There is no logic. It’s $cientology.

        • Mockingbird

          Haha. I know Kirstie Alley could never defend her statements in a long debate about Scientology. Even if ONLY Hubbard’s own words were recognized as valid she could be torn apart.

          • Missionary Kid

            Kirstie’s main characteristic = hubris.

    • “Experts on communication” my ass.

    • Liberated

      Wow, Krispy Kreme’s classy as always.

      • aegerprimo

        Krispy Kreme’s are B cups? I didn’t know!

        • Liberated

          I’m sorry I do know.
          Puke.

          • aegerprimo

            no do-nuts for me tomorrow.

    • FredEX2

      How perfectly wonderful that Kirstie is such a fine celebrity representative of the beautiful religion of Scientology. With her ability to communicate in such an appealing manner it must make everyone that watches her shows …if she’s ever on TV again…just want to rush out and join the coolest religion on earth and be like her. People are lining up every. single. day.

      • aegerprimo

        A “religion” that uses swear words is always appealing.
        Just sayin’
        (snort)

        • Sherbet

          Always remember the church-issued statement that used the term, “provable bullshit.”

          Amen. And with your spirit, too.

      • LongtimeLurker

        HOW DARE YOU!?

        Superstar Kirstie Alley is currently in the second season of the Fox horror-comedy Scream Queens playing Nurse Ingrid Hoffel.

        Watch for it at award season.

        • daisy

          Probably the only nurse worse than me.

          • aegerprimo

            No… an actrice nurse is different than a REAL nurse.

          • iampissed

            I had a nurse who let me sleep through the night, she wasn’t supposed to do that.
            I hold her in high regard.

            • daisy

              To keep people awake a nice perk of the job. I especially liked to wake someone up to give them a sleeping pill.

            • iampissed

              This was after 5 way bypass so on my 6th night she let me sleep,
              pure angel.
              ETA although she woke me up at 6 am and said we have to move quick.

            • Mymy88

              If the nurse is ignoring your clicking the thing-a-jig to get her attention, start pulling out your wires, one by one. Alarms will go off. They will come. A pill you will receive. You need to know how to work the system.

            • iampissed

              You can alway entobate yourself.

            • daisy

              intubate. I am glad you had the bypass that is a lot of heart surgery.

            • iampissed

              Nope ento…it was out not in.

            • daisy

              Are you talking about taking the tube out once you have been intubated ? I checked in the medical dictionary and couldn*t find it . If you did that I bet you had a sore throat.

        • aegerprimo

          Ugh

    • Chee Chalker

      Bob cuts?

      • iampissed

        How was the celebration?

        • Chee Chalker

          Crazy. Absolutely crazy. A long day, but worth it!
          Weather was beautiful. Crowds were unreal, but everyone was so happy. Lots of fun.
          I’m just relieved we all are home safe and sound.
          Thanks for asking!

          (Trying to post video here….let’s see if this works)
          IMG_2276.mp4.mov

  • AntoniaW

    O/T but I guess we’ll all be seeing this:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-05/rupert-murdoch-and-the-scientologists/7987408
    “As hard as it has tried, the Church of Scientology has yet to avenge a decades-long crusade against it by media mogul Rupert Murdoch, writes Steve Cannane.” Going to sleep now.

    • Narapoid

      Thanks so much for sharing this! Boy, what Murdoch could do to the cult…

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Old fashioned Pepsi ginger cola and some good spiced rum. That’s a good time!

    • Rasha

      Finally! You’re back. Share.

      ^_^

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Sure. *clink*

        • Rasha

          …all is well…

    • aegerprimo

      HOLLA – L. Wrong! ♥

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Missed you guys and gals.

    • Sherbet

      Haven’t seen you in a long time, L.Wrong. Welcome back.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Thank you sherb. Been here up voting, but too busy to hang out.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Bunker Buttplug, where ya been?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Super busy in R L. Glad to be back.

  • daisy

    My mother is making me watch Gilmore Girls. Somebody pass the liquor.

    • Rasha

      L. Wrong’s got spiced rum, and he’s sharin’….

    • Liberated

      I love the Gilmore Girls….give peace a chance.
      It’s funny!

      • daisy

        I had lunch with a Trump supporter, I have never regretted quitting drinking more. Gilmore Girls is just a little too precious for my taste tonight.

        • Sherbet

          I have to agree. I used to watch it while visiting a friend, and I just couldn’t get the appeal. My friend was a huge fan.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I know just what you mean! I’m soooo glad that this election cycle is almost over because I’ve been feeling more and more that going back to drinking is the answer…the ONLY answer 😉

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      My mom used to love the Gilmore girls. It must be a mom thingy.

    • Missionary Kid

      Gilmore Girls = word waterfall.

    • Draco

      Aw…I loved Gilmore Girls. If they re-ran the whole series here, I would watch every episode. Go, Daisy Mom.

  • Jon Hendry

    Sorry if someone else spotted this, but a NY Times story about baseball fan injuries from foul balls contained a surprise cameo from Grant Cardone. It mentions a tweet of his from Game 7 of the World Series, where he tweeted a photo of a woman knocked out by a foul ball. He is described as a “self help author”.

    I guess his OT super powers couldn’t protect the people nearby.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/sports/baseball/netting-fans-injury-world-series-game-7.html?hpw&rref=sports&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ugh. UGH. Of course Cardone whipped out his camera rather than trying to help the injured woman. The indignity of lying on the ground, bleeding while some big red pig films you!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      He is a true pig.

    • He is so gross.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Sherbet

      Never too late. It’s hilarious.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I laughed!

        • Sherbet

          All I can think of is, “Now, who can I send that to?” There are cat spoilers in my family.

    • Rasha

      Best. Thing. Evar.

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      So frigging cute!!! (I can say that now that I’m a cat owner). Heehee!

    • Missionary Kid

      Hi Andrea, I re-posted the story about the $cientology materials that were on Craigslist. http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/04/trouble-for-scientology-in-1966-when-the-daily-mail-called-l-ron-hubbards-degrees-bogus/#comment-2985673849

      You’re probably asleep. Sweet dreams.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I saw the original post just as I was going to bed. Top work, Mish!

    • JJ

      No. of course not. Only if it has remote control flaps. Now THAT would be excessive!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Cute. Kittehs can NEVER be spoilt too much. 🙂

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    Just finished eating homemade tacos and boyfriend made Margaritas…sup Bunker…😎

    • now i am hungry…thank you!

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        I hate it when that happens 😉

        • np… I just remembered back in the good old days when i fled the dangerous Cult using my Escape Drone and and i realized that i had forgotten all my certificates and had to return! ……..What?

          • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

            damn….girl. That would make a crazy screenplay.

            • like the walking scios.

            • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

              Well, I’m glad you are out. I did an initial scan of your blog, and I have to say , keep doing what you’re doing. : )

            • my blog…hmm, long time i posted anything there

            • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

              I last checked it, I believe…end of Sept/beginning Oct.

  • Ninara Poll

    The pseudo-psychological cult of Scientology is based on the teachings of an American ex-science fiction writer whose claims to academic degrees are bogus.

    [EDIT — tried inserting a .gif of a standing ovation only to completely futz it, so I removed it.]

  • Supper Powers

    Nola, you around? I’m having 5 gallons worth of a gumbo emergency. Need a consult.

    • daisy

      LOL there is such a thing as a gumbo emergency ? When in doubt about anything just add a cup of sour cream . i can see you rolling your eyes

      • coonellie

        Daisy, if you’re ever down to Portland please let me know. Mi casa es su casa!

        • daisy

          I will take you up on that hopefully. I have heard except for the weather it is a beautiful city.

          • coonellie

            The weather has been spectacular lately. Late Spring and early Fall are perfect.

        • Missionary Kid

          Is that Portland Maine, or Oregon or another state?

          • coonellie

            Oregon…Orygun

            • Missionary Kid

              One of my sons lives there.

            • coonellie

              If he’s close by and would like good wine and interesting conversation let me know 🙂

      • Supper Powers

        Oh gag!

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Love gumbo, omg….one day

  • Missionary Kid

    Last night, i-Betty (Andrea) posted that someone was selling a whole bunch of $cientology DVD’s and other materials for $1.

    I contacted the seller, and they did, indeed, live in Hemet, but were not nor had ever been in $cientology. A person that they loaned some money to had paid thousands for the material, had given them to the seller to pay towards the debt, and, after a couple of years sitting them in boxes, they were selling the stuff to recover the money.

    I believe that they mistakenly put $1 for the price on Craigslist. I was willing to drive 40 miles to their house, but it turned out that they really wanted about $100 for it. I explained to them that I was only willing to pay about $5 for the materials because $cientology overprices their materials, won’t buy them back, and strongly discourages people from buying them from anyone else but $cientoloy, and that the stuff was essentially worthless.

    He said that the guy who had left the materials with him had his house repossessed, lost everything, and had moved someplace back east. He said that since then, the $cientologist had gone off the rails. I explained to him that $cientology uses people, sucks all their money up to “save the planet”, then, when they don’t have any money, they essentially kick them to the curb, and that it’s all to common for people to end up that way. If you don’t have money, or aren’t willing to work for nothing, $cientology doesn’t care about you.

    He said that it was creepy to drive up Gilman Springs Road through Int Base, with all the video cameras covering the area. (He’s in video media as his work, so he noticed). I told him that at night, the lights don’t point in, like at other properties, but out, to see who is out there, and it is rumored that they keep track of license numbers of cars that drive through.

    I told him about Leah’s show coming up, and the things that it will probably reveal. He said he was never attracted to $cientology and it turned him off. He made a note of it.

    I also explained “fair game” that is used against anyone who dares criticize $cientology or leave. I told him about people and incidents of it that I know have been pulled on exes that are now friends.

    I also told him about Ron Miscavige Sr., his escape, and subsequent disconnection because he dared to talk to an ex, as well as the whole thing about the PI’s following him and, “If he dies, he dies” from DM.

    We parted on friendly terms, and I could tell that he felt sad for the guy he had given the money to.

    Basically, I tried to educate him on $cientology. I told him that it wasn’t just odd, but dangerous. He seemed to agree.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ahh, it was a typo? I don’t think the poor guy is going to get anything close to $100. Thank you for taking the time to talk to him, and for reporting back as you promised you would. There’s one more person inoculated, anyway 🙂

      • Missionary Kid

        I love that he lives about 8 miles away, and now knows a lot more about the crap that Co$ pulls. I think he’s gonna be watching Leah for sure. Basically, he just wants to stay away.

        I’ve learned a lot from Tory, who tells everyone she can about being in a cult for over 20 years. She really knows how to get the message across.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m glad you saw my report last night. I was wondering if you were still up. Derek was worried that the guy was a clam, trying some sort of scam. I really don’t believe so. I would have liked to meet him in person.

  • FredEX2

    So let me understand this…a Thetan is actually extremely small, shaped like a cylinder and kinda translucent blue? I think I saw a whole bucket of them at Home Depot in the aisle with plumbing thingies.

    So Scentology is a billion dollar corporation that’s actually more like a cross between a ponzi scheme / organized crime that calls itself a ‘Religion’ but is really a cult based on Space Opera written by a madman who claimed he had all these doctorate degrees that are completely bogus…and there are actually several thousand people who still believe in this scam and are willing to give up their family, their friends, their money, their future…to become OTs…which are actually little blue cylindrical shaped thingies that are very powerful ….Well….I’m so disappointed that I don’t even know what there is left to say about Scientology.

    Behold! The ‘Thetan’ according to Hubbard.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9a6119849934f2cd81809ee8988c7585949426e5a0929a28dd835f6fe978243.jpg

    • Supper Powers

      That made me laugh in the middle of a gumbo crisis. You’re good.

      • Elegant Mess

        Gumbo crisis? What’s happening, doll?

        • it’s about the big chicken exodus at Kentucky Fried

    • Ella Raitch

      translucent blue? So that explains Trish Duggan’s art collection. Huh….

    • that they ar not paying their freaking taxes?

    • Missionary Kid

      I would add that it sucks people’s money and time.

    • JJ

      Why blue? I watched the NOVA program on how gems form in the earth, blues are vera specific. So we have DNA or Atomic data on this, right? TNA? Dork-teck?

    • Juicer77

      But… but… you can put purty flowers in them!

  • Missionary Kid

    What I did today:
    Every year, there is an airshow at Jacquiline Cochran Regional Airport (AKA Thermal, CA). I’ve been to dozens of airshows, and I’ve seen a lot of acts and performances by all sorts of people who turn fuel into noise to power planes doing phenomenal things in the air.

    The actual airshow is tomorrow, but what people don’t know is that the best time to go to something like that is the day before. Just about all of the acts practice their routines then. There are no crowds, and it’s possible to get close to the different aircraft unimpeded.

    Some planes will only fly tomorrow, because they are so rare, that all that they will probably be doing is “heritage flights”, which are done with a few passes over the field in simple formation. For the experienced pilots who fly them often, it’s really not necessary to practice. A P-51 Mustang, a P-38 Lightning, a P-39 Aircobra, and a P-40 Warhawk, painted in the colors of the Flying Tigers with the famous shark’s mouth on the front, flew in, and the pilots were ferried back to the home base, probably Chino Airport, at the Planes of Fame Air Museum.

    Also, there was a huge C-17 Air Force transport that was parked on the ramp. It is one huge Short Take Off and Landing jet. It has special aerodynamic features that allow it to land in just a few thousand feet, then back up, which you have to see to believe. The Air Force will probably fly it tomorrow.

    All of the other acts did their routines. One of them is a Piper Cub, sponsored by Jelly Belly, with stickers all over it, which does an aerobatic routine, then lands on a small deck mounted on top of a pick-up truck as it’s rolling down the runway. He landed upwind, and downwind several times. They call the truck “the world’s smallest aircraft carrier.

    An F-86, Korean Era jet fighter, took off and flew a routine. the Patriots Jet Team (Composed 6 L-39 Albatros trainers built in Czechoslovakia) flew an aerobatic routine, and, at other times, purpose built aerobatic planes: A Pitts Special and an Extra. I find their routines, flown close to the ground, to be more exciting than the jets because they do everything right in front of you.

    I get fairly bored at airshows, because I’ve seen so many acts, but since most of the people hanging out were pilots, I had a good time hangar flying. The reason I went was to take my buddy who really thrills to see an airshow. Tomorrow, parking will be $10, or you park far away and take a tram in. There will probably be about 30,000 people there. Yes, there will be food available, and more planes, and more acts, but this was as intimate as something like this gets. I would estimate that there were about 300 to 500 people on the field, including people putting up barriers and tents.

    We sat on the “front porch” of the Fixed Base Operator (that’s the place that provides fuel and services to the airplanes) in rocking chairs under a sunshade. That won’t be possible tomorrow.

    If you know of an airshow, find out if you can go the day before. It’s more fun.

    • i have seen the airshow in England, it’s over your head awsome

      • Missionary Kid

        Airshows can differ in many ways. The military ones are the noisiest. Of course, they get to fly at taxpayer’s expense, and it’s practice for them.

        Some of the noisiest aircraft are the B-1 Bomber with it’s afterburner going, the Harrier jump-jet that I call the Marine Corps leaf blower and the B-52 on take-off.

        • i think this was a military air show as there was all the hardware you mention but it was 20 years ago.

          • Missionary Kid

            If you go to a military airshow today, the performance is even more spectacular. On the other hand, I can really enjoy an aerobatic competition where the planes have to fly inside a “box” that sometimes extends to the ground, but most time starts several hundreds of feet in the air.

            Everything is right in front of you. Bring sun-block, a hat, and sunglasses.

            • ReallyMGM

              Going on a limb here but since you seem to really like military aircraft you might like this.

              MK you might like the movie “First Light” and is still available (free on Vimeo). It is about Geoffrey Wellum who in 1940 at 18 yo enlisted in the RAF. He had no flight experience and flew Spitfires over 50 missions in the Battle of Britain. He “retired” by 1942 to a desk job after a breakdown (he was last one standing after all of his mates went down eventually.) Then he went back to fly over the Mediterranean around Malta. He is still alive, btw. There are numerous articles (in the UK) about him; an amazing man.

              The way to find it is weird but here goes:
              https://heughligans.com/acting/television/
              Then scroll down just a bit to the stuff for “First Light,”
              Then the first link is a link to the Vimeo movie.

              I’ve tried to find it elsewhere but it’s just available anywhere but Vimeo. Anyhow, hope you enjoy. It’s a nice bit of obscure history.

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s the direct link. Just click on the part that says, “watch on vimeo” http://vimeo.com/45585260

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t have time to watch it right now, but it sure looks interesting.

            • ReallyMGM

              To be honest I only watched it because the good looking dude from Outlander was in it (haha), but it turned out to be pretty darned good. All of my 5 great uncles were in WW2 (and their kids in ‘Nam)so I try to watch to understand more than I got in history class. I try to stick to PBS documentaries but this little Brit film was well done.

              (I don’t get my history from a movie that stars Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp)

        • coonellie

          Been there…awesome. Wished I could be my Dad.

        • I’ve seen the Eurofighter in the unlikely venue of the English Seaside town of Dawlish, which has a ‘Airshow’ consisting of flybys and displays every year, in support of various charities.

          It came over, seemed to stop in mid-air then, when it seemed to be starting to fall tail first, lit up the afterburners and went up like a rocket. The noise was appalling, but it was quite an experience, even on the ground.

          • Missionary Kid

            The Eurofighter is, indeed, agile. I’ve never seen one in person, but it seems to be a very capable aircraft. When modern jets are lightly loaded and light on fuel, they can, indeed, accelerate vertically.

            • After I had marvelled at the spectacle, I must say that I wondered what it must be like to be on the sharp end of a modern warplane like that. I was glad it was on my side.

              Afterwards, I had a dream. An English archer was trudging home from the battle of Agincourt when a time warp opened in the skies about him for a few moments, and he saw and felt that aircraft stand on its tail and scram.

              He would have though he had seen God – or an angry archangel, at the very least. When you think about it, it’s a very scary beast indeed.

    • daisy

      Scare the hell out of me ever since the challenger exploded.

      • Missionary Kid

        The Challenger was a rocket. These are all planes with either a piston or jet engine, and those types have been flown for millions of hours.

        • daisy

          I realize that but it was in the air. Sometimes fear is irrational. I do believe it is a precision artful skill but when they start crisscrossing I get a nervous feeling.

          • Missionary Kid

            The planes are usually not that close when they are crisscrossing. It’s often done in such a way that makes them look closer than they are.

          • Mockingbird

            Don’t feel bad. Vivid imagery creates powerful influence. People are terrified of sharks since Jaws but sharks barely kill a handful of people per year while other animals kill thousands of people but aren’t feared.

            Fox news viewers often claim terror that foreign terrorists will attack them in tiny towns in rural America and they have no concern for the things that actually kill Americans, like disease, poverty and other Americans ! And themselves ! Statistically the person most likely to kill an American is that person him or her self !

        • coonellie

          When living in Ireland we had an air show. The guys flying were ex-RAF pilots. The day before,one of the pilots took me up and scared the crap out of my mom by buzzing over our house by flying upside down over the window of the kitchen.

          At any rate, I was with the crowd the next day, watching the show and the pilot was doing a loop. I could see that he wasn’t going to make it and sure enough he ended up in the drink. No one else believed me as I said he couldn’t pull up, but sure enough he ended up in the water. The next day I was up again with the pilot enjoying a thrilling ride. I guess it’s in the genes.

          Btw, my mom almost skinned the pilot alive after my second flight.

          • Missionary Kid

            Did the pilot survive that ended up in the water?

            Did your mom also give you hell?

            • coonellie

              The pilot did survive, although he had a big goose egg on his forehead. Yes, I got more than hell.

            • Missionary Kid

              The pilot of the plane that ended up in the drink is extremely lucky. At the bottom of a loop, you’re going very fast, and at that speed, water is not soft.

              Did you ever go up flying after that?

            • coonellie

              Yes, I did. The next day. Much to my mother’s chagrin. I loved flying until the birth of Baby C.

    • btw…thanks for this cool report and i agree, that if anyone can get near an airshow, that they should do it, even just once in you life. It is life changing beyond most other things one can do and something you will never forget. One have to be there to understand. You can’t see this thing on youtube. Just the impact of the sheer power and the noise, that is not really a noise, but a full body pressure that will turn on your weirdest smile on your face. Just do it. – It’s an Order! It’s a message from God 🙂

    • ReallyMGM

      I have watched the practices the weeks before the air shows at Pensacola AFB while sunning on the beach. What a fun thing to see!

      • Missionary Kid

        My first air show was at Pensacola in 1966. The Blue Angels were flying the F-11 Tiger at that time.
        During the winter, the Blues are based at El Centro, and just before they go on tour, they put on an airshow, usually in March.

        • ReallyMGM

          My aunt’s husband was stationed at Elgin AFB when I was a kid. I remember going with her to the base a few time (things are different now!!!) and the jet displayed near the entrance. Impressive.

          • Missionary Kid

            I did my land survival course in the wilds around Eglin, which is located about 30 miles east of Pensacola. That was about 1966. I was never on the rest of the base any other time. Eglin has a lot of history. The Doolittle Raiders trained there, among other events.

            • ReallyMGM

              Lots of snakes in the wilds down there and humidity off the charts. Dad did his reserve summer camp in south MS. He always came home with a rattlesnake story. Ick!

            • Missionary Kid

              On land survival, I had some cottonmouth (water moccasin), wood rat, and palmetto hearts. The animals were cooked. Guys were standing around, trying to decide whether or not to eat the wood rat, but I volunteered to go first. I believe they’re in family rodentia, which is the same as rabbits and squirrels, and it was cooked, so I had no qualms about it.

              The snake and wood rat asted like chicken.

  • JJ

    It’s amazing, two guy’s talking morphed (allegedly) into group dissatisfaction, damaged families, multiple avoidable deaths, law suits, public ridicule and a billion dollar cult-industry.

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay O/T: Those people on instagram who globe trot – are they real? If they are, I’m sooooo jealous and want to be them.

    And just to add : Everytime my BF catches me looking down on my phone, he always says, “So, what’s going on at Tony Ortega?” He’s a total never in – it’s pretty hilarious.

    • tell him you are a member of an Online-Cult

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        Ikr? 3 in one lifetime.

        • this one never ends 🙂

          • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

            Yeah, he may be a tad bit jealous of Tony and Brendon Burchard. Everytime I leave, no one has ccome chasing me, so I know I’m good, lol 😉

            • try put on Tony’s picture on the phone and then start clapping at your phone! It might work 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              To add to what Dice said, try to genuflect using the $cientology cross sign.. You’ll almost end up looking like Woody Allen who genuflected in one movie with the 6 pointed star, instead of a cross.

            • ha ha!

    • Juicer77

      LOL

  • M from Toronto

    ‘Produce them. Produce the people who have been harmed…’
    Hey, ask, and ye shall receive.
    Where to begin?
    Oh, just read through The Proprietor’s articles. Start where you like, it’s always going to end up worse than you think.

    • especially when you read it to the end. Then it’s all over!

  • Are we sure that David Miscavige did not collect Ronies DNA and is trying to grow him in a tube?

  • coonellie

    OT. Anyone read the article in the Pravda on the Potomac? I’m shocked that they hammered HRC and said that she’ll have to have a separate unit just to deal with scandal control. Can’t wait for her election to President. Where is George Washington when you need him?

  • Anonymouse

    By far the best line in this excellently written article is the opening line. “The pseudo-psychological cult of Scientology is based on the teachings
    of an American ex-science fiction writer whose claims to academic
    degrees are bogus.”

    It sets the tone for the entire piece and tells you that the writer has done their homework.

  • ReallyMGM

    I don’t know the policy for cross posting other blog posts here , but Mike Rinder’s article is up for tomorrow and it is a “must read.” It is the most informative, easy-to-read and understand version of LRH’s SP, Fair Game, Take No Prisoners, Ruination policy I have ever read. Thanks to Mike for leaving and sharing. Much happiness to him and his family.

    • FredEX2

      Just saw this ReallyMGM ! We posted at the exact same time…about the same thing.😊

      • ReallyMGM

        We had to be reading it, then writing at the Bunker at the same time. Perhaps you can put something up in the morning on the Bunker since I don’t know the Scientology lingo for the policies. I just call them the way I see them (like Take No Prisoners and Utter Ruination).

    • Juicer77

      Cross posting with something pertinent is totally acceptable here. As long as it’s not a smear site or something defamatory or gory, etc. If there are other guidelines someone will speak up (usually nicely, the first time).

      • ReallyMGM

        I was very happy to see our proprietor, Tony, address Mike’s blog post this morning.

        I haven’t been here but about a year or so, but you and most know I would never, ever do something that. That’s just not ReallyMGM at all. I had just never seen it spelled ou and some blog communities don’t allow it.

        The most nasty photo or joke I would post would be something like this:
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67605f14fd5680ca40ef079855bca16b4b7b08b55b63c207d641f3e7ada229f4.jpg

        • Juicer77

          KITTEH

          • ReallyMGM

            It was her first trip to the vet. She was sooooo good! She cuddled with the vet and vet tech. When we adopted Lily and we hit the kitty jackpot. She is a doll baby!
            Our trip to the vet was the trip from hell. My station wagon was in the shop so we were crammed in our Honda S2000 convertible with her carrier in my lap. I couldn’t see or move (and it was a 30 minute drive). I thought she would be screaming but she went to sleep. She is so 😎

  • FredEX2

    In case it hasn’t been posted here today, excellent article by Mike Rinder:
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/dealing-with-critics-of-scientology-the-l-ron-hubbard-playbook/

    • ReallyMGM

      Great minds think alike, Fred!

  • Tony’s story containing the drone footage of Gold base is the subject of a post on the popular website boingboing – which contains a link and a detailed reference. http://boingboing.net/2016/11/04/beautiful-drone-flyovers-at-sc.html

    • i want a drone. I pay taxes too!

      • So did I, when I saw that footage.

        Trouble is, in the UK that model costs more than £1,000 and, it’s a crowded country, so there are very few places you can fly them legally (i.e. not within 50 metres of people or roads).

        The Saint Hill flyover, sadly, probably isn’t going to happen.

        • those are not people!…. he he

        • Juicer77

          I thought about it as a geeky Christmas gift for Mr. J, but you’re right, the cost and restrictions make it hardly worthwhile. Although if we could get some aerial shots of where we’re living it would be stunning, especially in the fall.

          • get one of those you can use indoor

            • Juicer77

              *snort* That would put the cat off using her litter box forever!! XD

            • you can get a flying mice with remote control?

          • There are models that are a lot cheaper, if you can accept flight times around 10 minutes and a high resolution (but less than 4K) camera.

            In fact ‘last years’ models are now selling for around £100 – £300. Such a machine would probably get those aerial shots (although it might take several sorties) and might take to it.

            I’ve been toying with this idea for ages. It’s the practical restrictions that put me off. Dartmoor is probably the only place I could fly it legitimately.

            • Juicer77

              I was thinking of a used or older model. The issue is Mr. J is a real A/V geek and would probably want to go HD or higher end to get something that would satisfy his technical abilities. Right now I just enjoy other people’s flights. Sigh…

            • HD is now the minimum standard on anything that isn’t a toy, and 4K is taking over.

              It’s flight time that seems to determine the price. If you want 45 minutes, you need more batteries, so they requires more powerful rotors to lift the weight, which makes the craft heavier again. ‘Long endurance’ drones are significantly bigger, more powerful – and much more expensive.

            • Juicer77

              This is exactly why I gave up on it… not my area of expertise. Far better for Mr. J to do the research if/when he wants to drone on about it. Heh heh.

            • we can get a licence here?

            • As I understand it, in the UK you only need a licence from the Civil Aviation Authority if you are using a drone for commercial purposes.

              For private use, you only have to observe a small number of rules (which have the force of law) https://www.caa.co.uk/Consumers/Model-aircraft-and-drones/The-Dronecode/

              I beginning to talk myself into buying one, and there are going to be bargains in the January sale…

            • aha! here everyone has to have a gubberment license as soon as they can pass the law, and this is to be able to regulate it, which then get’s harder and harder to obtain over time, while those who don’t follow the rules get’s filtered out. There are warnings out, not to buy those for x-mas as they will all be grounded eventually. So my advice is to obtain what ever license there will be at the beginning as it will become harder and harder in a few years. When selecting a model, i would turn to youtube and see a non-commercial average Joe demonstrate this model and not rely on the company provide one. If you can, find a store where there is real people who can guide and show the real thing, and then pay the extra for that service. I bought a Motor + rotor + small control unit in a store like this. Just to get my hands on what i am dealing with, as in power, quality, tools and expenses. I will still wait some time to get one as they will get better and better very fast, but i would not wait with the license. If i where you i would go with a low end model just to try it out and then if going serious and more experienced, go for the Pro!

            • The UK approach seems to be to regulate commercial operations and use the existing law (which enables the Civil Aviation Authority to make rules with the force of law) for amateur operations.

              Your general advice, is good I think. Do your research. Find a reliable advisor. Have a trial run with a relatively cheap machine to insure you aren’t totally useless as a remote pilot… then move on, if you have caught the bug.

    • Juicer77

      sQUEEEEEEEEE

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Belly Rubs Now!

  • This is what people are searching on youtube, notice that “body thetans” is becoming a Thing F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/58e686262e2c7e0c18b8f6373866d3896856af2db98aec14118b69bc5f4291ca.png

    • Juicer77

      Can I have your autograph? 😉 Congrats!

      • I would throw my Dice for you 🙂

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Ohh that’s cool, Dice.
      So now I can say I knew someone before they became famous. 😀

      • Want my autograph? :-O My excitement comes from the traffic and the learning, as there is no vanity on my part. Get it? Vanity he he

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      That’s really, really cool!

  • TheMirrorThetan

    OT: Pazuzu Kitteh has calmed down. It turns out that she was the most upset about not being allowed out into the back garden like usual. (Although the Holy Water I put into her water bowl may have helped. I wasn’t taking any chances.) And I didn’t have the flu- I have tonsillitis and they were so pussy and swollen they kept closing my airway completely every time I tried to sleep. Antibiotic and some anesthetic throat lozenges and I slept for the first time in 4 days. Yay for big pharma.
    As you can see from the bottom pic, Chloe has made herself at home and has settled in very well.
    The Top pic is my Flicky aka Pazuzu kitteh.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0391393fb412c8cea969d94d52f3d213daaa0190ff41e77674f7fa570d624551.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6db17914b16dda485809843791542d0e96f995648daf7fc7b64fa7f2f71def0.jpg

    • Juicer77

      Glad all is well in the feline cohabitation department, and you are feeling better!

      • gtsix

        So nice you said it twice.

        • Juicer77

          @^*&*@ Disqus!

    • Juicer77

      Glad all is well in the feline cohabitation department, and you are feeling better! ETA: such lovely kittehs

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Thanks, Juicer. 😀

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Well hello there Frisky!!! You are so cute! Chloe is so gorgeous.

  • Fink Jonas

    Hubbard talks a lot about things that can’t be proven or tested, also he writes a lot of implications as to coaxing the reader to draw his own conclusion in favor of Scientology.
    By describing heaven and hell he is attempting to par Scientology with other religions but he does it so horribly is an abomination, you can clearly sense the hatred for the idea of “heaven” his poor description is an attempt to destroy the romantizaised idea of heaven hold mainly by all the branches of Christianity.