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Marty Singer: Cat White asked Jim Carrey to marry her and he turned her down

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We spoke to actor Jim Carrey’s attorney Marty Singer today, who told us he was very interested in our morning story about Mark Burton, the man who is suing his client over Cathriona White’s 2015 suicide.

Burton filed his lawsuit yesterday, claiming that Carrey obtained prescription medicines under a fake name so he could give them to White, his on-again-off-again girlfriend who had moved to Los Angeles from Ireland in 2009. She and Carrey began dating around March 2012 and broke up for the first time several months later. They had resumed dating in 2015, before breaking up again that September. On September 28, 2015, Cat White was found dead, having apparently killed herself with medications that Carrey procured under the name “Arthur King.” Carrey maintains that she took the medicines without his knowledge, and he didn’t notice they were missing until it was too late.

After White’s death, L.A. Coroner Ed Winter shocked even Cat’s close friends by revealing that she was married to a man named Mark Burton. This morning, we reported that Cat told a few close personal friends that the January 2013 marriage to Burton was a sham that was intended to fool immigration officials so she could stay in the country. Her friends say that Cat, who had met a family of Scientologists in Ireland before emigrating and had become involved in Scientology in Los Angeles, had asked several of her male Scientology friends if they would be willing to enter a fake marriage with her. She had even, in 2010, held a fake wedding with a fellow Scientologist in order to get photos to throw off immigration officials, but had changed her mind about that match. After her break-up with Carrey in 2012, she approached Burton, also a Scientologist, and they went to Las Vegas to get married and told very few of their friends.

Now, Marty Singer had a new surprise for us.

“I’ll let you know something that hasn’t broken yet. She asked Jim to marry her, right after they first started dating. He said no. That’s not public information yet, but it was going to come out in the lawsuit,” he said.

 
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[Carrey’s attorney Marty Singer and Burton’s attorney Michael Avenatti]

 
We checked in with our two sources from this morning’s story, both women who knew Cat White well. Our first source tells us that she was aware that Cat had proposed to Carrey, and that he had turned her down. Our second source was not aware of it, but she didn’t doubt it.

“She was a beautiful, sweet little Irish flower, and she was obviously really in love with Jim Carrey. So she was really bummed out about it,” says our first source.

“She was such a sweet and open person, and she would have been very upfront with Jim about wanting to marry him so she could stay,” she says, explaining that Cat’s immigration status would have complicated a real relationship that might eventually have included marriage and children.

“You have to keep in mind, her father was very ill and she was trying to get back to Ireland,” says our second source. Cat’s father, Pat White, died in 2012. Cat would be unable to fly to Ireland and then return to the U.S. until her visa situation was sorted out. “That’s why she was desperate to get married. I told her, you’re a winner and a beautiful girl. Get a real marriage. And I think that’s what she wanted to do. With Jim it was real, she really wanted to marry him. But with a high-level celebrity, that’s a whole other deal.”

Both of our sources say that the situation was tough for both of them — Cat, because her real feelings for Jim were mixed with her desperation to get home, and Carrey because he wouldn’t have wanted to rush into something simply to help someone get a green card.

“I didn’t know that she asked him, but it rings true. She wanted a real marriage. She didn’t want a fake one. She wanted to find her partner in America,” says our second source.

Both of our sources, who helped us understand Cat’s attempts to get sham marriages with fellow Scientologists, emphasized that they saw Cat as a victim, not as a schemer. She was pushed into a desperate situation, and was doing what she could to pursue her new life in Los Angeles.

“When she lost that, her chance to marry Jim, and she was still stuck in this manipulative group of Scientology, she lost it. She probably didn’t even know who to trust anymore. All she had were Scientologists in her life,” says our first source. “Cat would be so disappointed with this lawsuit. A good friend of hers suing the man she loved? This is the last thing she would want.”

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on September 20, 2016 at 17:10

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    Her card was green, her “husband” yellow
    He seems to be a despicable fellow
    His lawyer’s a bottom-feeder
    Cat? They’d just bleed her
    He’s Iago to Carrey’s Othello

    • Rasha

      Ramen

  • Tony Ortega

    Fixed the headline. Ugh.

    • Sherbet

      Yes. Thanks for dropping the “methinks.”

      • Juicer77

        Darn, I miss all the fun!

      • Vaquera

        First smile of my day. Thx Sherb.

        • Sherbet

          It’s only funny if Tony thinks it’s funny.

          • Vaquera

            He’s rumored to have a sense of humor.

            • Sherbet

              That he does.

          • ShevilKat

            Ugh. Spoken like a true ASC cultie….:P

            • Sherbet

              Card-carrying ASC cultie, ‘Kat!

      • Observer
        • Sherbet

          I know. I surprised myself.

    • Juicer77

      Please tell me Mr. Singer is planning on dragging this scumbag’s lies into the public record before the suit gets dropped. File it, Mr. Singer. File it ALL. And no NDA’s, please.

  • aquaclara

    A double story day!!!!!!!!

    • Would’ve been a triple story day but evidently a certain journalist didn’t think the exclusive story I fed him about the great salad I made for lunch was “newsworthy.” Fine.

      • Sherbet

        Unfortunately, the NY Post ran the salad story first.

        • Yeah, but they didn’t use white balsamic.

          • Sherbet

            Well, there you go; journalism is a tough racket.

            • But somebody’s gotta do it.

            • Sherbet

              Tomorrow, another scoop, another salad, another scoop of salad dressing. I think William Randolph Hearst said that.

            • Dibythesea

              Please tell me you are coming to HowdyCon Denver! I must meet you and Pan soon!

            • Sherbet

              Let’s say I’ll be there. I probably won’t, but let’s say it, anyway. (And thank you for the compliment.)

            • Dibythesea

              Ok let’s say you’ll be there;)

            • Kestrel

              Please do come to HowdyCon Denver! I want to meet you as well.

            • Sherbet

              And I’d love to meet you, too.

      • aquaclara

        ha, ha — you’re holding out on us! Chicken Caesar, perhaps? YUM.

        • Point Reyes Blue, Gravenstein apples, candied walnuts and red buttah lettuce.

          • aquaclara

            Ok, I’m coming to dinner! You can cook! And in the meantime, if I copy this, what kind of dressing are we making? And are Point Reyes Blue oysters, clams or crabs or some type of tomato I have never heard of?

            • Point Reyes Blue cheese. Delicious decay.

            • aquaclara

              Thank you. Still coming for dinner. You can cook!

  • April

    Would the CO$ go so far as to hold their knowledge of the sham marriage over Cat’s head to keep her in scientology? Would they threaten to report her to the immigration authorities if she left the CO$?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Might they have even encouraged it…and then held it over her head?

  • Here come the lawyers for some information. It’s almost like Tony’s the only one doing, you know, actual journalism on this story.

    • Jimmy3

      Not surprised he got a guy named Singer to talk.

      • Vaquera

        I love you.

        • Jimmy3

          You won’t love me come Sunday night, baby.

          • Youse two get a room already!

          • Juicer77

            He won’t call on Monday morning, either. What a jerk.

          • Ben Franklin

            Do you become a grouch on Sunday nights?

          • Vaquera

            But on Monday night, we can have make-up fantasy!

            Football people. Fantasy football.

      • joan nieman

        Not surprising at all!

    • joan nieman

      I know! Tony’s the man.

  • Observer

    She’d have been far better off if she’d never heard of Scientology. I have no doubt she’d have had a real marriage in Ireland. All she got here were a fake marriage and a fake “religion” and a lot of fake “friends.”

    • Eliza Doolittle

      It’s so sad.

      • Juicer77

        I feel so bad for Mr. Carrey. Imagine losing a loved one like that and feeling guilty because you couldn’t prevent their death. And now it’s all being raked up again. And her poor family. Grrr…..

        • Eliza Doolittle

          Absolutely 🙁
          It really physically aches me to think about what he’s gone through and this must have been such a gut punch when he was starting to get his life back on track. I think he’s got a great team around him though so I feel confident he’s supported but still… it’s too much.
          And her family too.. no doubt the press have started pestering them again for comment on this. And these shithead ‘pals’ of hers think that’s OK in pursuit of their cash.. FFS

      • NurseRatched

        NOT!!!

  • Juicer77

    I hesitate to bring this up, but who will the next “turncoat” be? There’s a long list of cult critics to be worked through…

    • LongtimeLurker

      You.

      It’s you.

      • Juicer77

        I knew it!!

  • AnyOldName1

    Tony you are in up to your chin with the celebs today – from ETOnline, now on MSN home page slider:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/jason-lee-reveals-he-left-the-church-of-scientology/ar-BBwoSuz?li=BBnb7Kz

    • Mmmmmmmm. Sliders.

      • Juicer77

        Sliders and gluhwein…

        • Or, glüg, as my people call it. Well, half my people.

          • The other quarters are drinking retsina and Jameson’s.

            • LongtimeLurker

              So Greek, Irish and…

              Venusian?

            • Helatroban . . . on Mother’s side.

            • Rasha

              …and Moutai.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    “We spoke to actor Jim Carrey’s attorney Marty Singer today, who told us he was very interested in our morning story about Mark Burton, the man who is suing his client over Cathriona White’s 2015 suicide.”

    Oh hell yeah!! 👍👍👍

    • Eliza Doolittle

      Really pleased to hear it. Singer’s not going to leave a stone unturned and is really going to drag out this f**ker’s skeletons. He’s gonna wish his mother had a migraine on the night he was conceived..

    • Juicer77

      What time is it in LA? I think there’s a pint-size dictator just rolling out of bed to this story. LOL

    • Graham

      To your “Oh hell yeah!!” I should like to add my personal “Yeeee-ha!!”

  • This gets more and more interesting. Great reporting Tony.

  • J. Swift

    Why did no Scientologist Ethics Officer tell Cat White that it was illegal to remain in the country and order her to go back home? Why did the Church aid and abet Cat in breaking the law? The Church of Scientology promotes The Way to Happiness and precept #9 is unequivocal:

    Don’t do anything illegal>

    TWTH is a sham moral code that means nothing within Scientology. Now Burton is trying to shake down Jim Carrey on a lawsuit that is on the edge of the statute of limitations.

    • Mrs. V.

      Excellent point.

    • Ben Franklin

      “Why did no Scientologist Ethics Officer tell Cat White that it was
      illegal to remain in the country and order her to go back home?”

      Hard to know for sure whether they didn’t because she was actively looking to get married as soon as possible.

    • You mean . . . it’s not . . . real? (bursts into tears and flops down on canopy bed clutching framed photo of L. Ron Hubbard in his little cap’n crunch hat)

    • sizzle8

      Funny you should mention…
      (this is over 20 years old so who knows what they recommend now)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a868434cb8b8cbffa4a9b2c04667bf801b5eb07669f2a5afd8b8d19809bc11e.jpg

      • The implied conclusion, I imagine, is that anything is moral if it advances the cause of Scientology – but if you’re caught at it we will disavow you in an instant and deny everything.

      • Kestrel

        Thank you for your question. Be sure to buy a booklet, a course, a book, and some auditing on your way out the door.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
        • Noesis

          Don’t forget the always popular (with GO / OSA goons) reporting of the disaffected / broke / fleeing Scientologist to the DEA and Interpol as a “drug smuggler” so they will be harassed at virtually every port-of-entry on earth.

    • Noesis

      She never had a first (real) husband?

  • flyonthewall

    awesome that the Bunker got that exclusive tip! Eat that, tabloids!

    Small typo in 2nd to last paragraph

    ” She as pushed into a desperate situation…” As should be was.

    • Or is as was should?

    • Tony Ortega

      Fixed. I was hurrying.

      • flyonthewall

        I hear you. I don’t usually bother with that stuff but we have to put our best foot forward today for the tabloids!

      • LongtimeLurker

        I can imagine! Awesome, Tony.

  • Username

    I hope Jim Carrey and his lawyer take Tony out for a nice dinner for serving up such juicy info. But it was just as nice to get some info back. I’m available if you need a forth. Just sayin’

  • nottrue
    • Dogged! And catted!

      • LongtimeLurker
        • Ow. Bad doggy.

          • Rita G

            Thank you! It was the first thing that came to mind as far as “catted”.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I remember that bastard cat!

          • flyonthewall

            LOL!!! Oh that’s the best

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Pinky may be pet of the week, but there’s NO WAY he’s going home with a new family anytime soon 😉

          • Rasha

            “Leash” is antithesis to “Kitteh”. It represents Control, which cancels out the Kitteh’s own Control, leaving only the essence of Kitteh, which… well, see video above…

            No leash. Collar, maybe…. but no leash. Just sayin’.

          • beauty for ashes

            This time the irony really really hurts.

          • Kestrel

            Yeeouch!!! Nice of you to save those for just the right moment.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I always called that one Sweet Little Pinky and the Bad, Bad Man.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Jezebel does a pretty good job of covering the CoS. They pay attention to Tony. And bonus: Ebner sometimes appears in the commentariat.

    • thetastic

      Does that say expert?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “That’s not public information yet, but it was going to come out in our lawsuit”

    Am I reading this right? Carrey is going to counter sue? Oh boy!

  • aquaclara

    So glad Jim Carrey’s attorney is reading Tony’s remarkable reporting. And a special thanks to Cat’s friends who call Tony with what they know. She deserves to be remembered.

  • Rasha

    Dammit, Disqus!

    Pfft! Perfectly good comment, too.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I’ve taken to typing mine in a notepad app first.

      Double handling, but safer.

      Also for the spellcheck.

      I’m not really here. Just passing through.

      • Rasha

        Very thanks. And go to bed. <3

  • joan nieman

    Good work Tony. Good work indeed.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I have no doubt Marty Singer fed this to Tony as a quid pro quo and thank you for this morning’s article.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Not to mention that client-attorney privilege would prevent Singer from saying anything unless he had express permission from Carrey to do so.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Mr. Carrey or Mr. Singer, if you are among us lurking this evening, know that you have much support. This paper dragon has been puffing smoke for too long. It’s time for the “wog world” to show them they aren’t so tough outside of their bubble. Best to you both.

  • Vaquera

    Finally…this morning’s story is getting picked up and linked.
    http://jezebel.com/friends-say-jim-carreys-late-girlfriend-married-a-scien-1786861403

    • Captain MustSavage

      Comments on the site are universally anti Scientology. People definitely get it.

    • MarcabExpat

      I just commented there with the link to the new story. Jezebel will definitely help the truth get out. Boy howdy do I miss Gawker right now!

      • Vaquera

        I’m a little surprised that Showbiz 411 hasn’t reported and linked to Tony. That guy is usually great about it. Maybe he did and I missed it…its been known to happen. 🙂

        • MarcabExpat

          He’s probably just gathering a little more info before he writes it up. I can’t see him foregoing this story, it’s just the sort of thing he has a nose for!

      • LongtimeLurker

        I saw you over there. Bravo.

        • MarcabExpat

          I’m still grey on Jez, but I’m sure someone will approve it if they haven’t already. Who knows, maybe it’ll get me in the black — back in the day I got my Gawker star by providing extra indepth info on the Tom Cruise video!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Oh. I always click ‘show all comments’ then I forget that some are still pending.

            • MarcabExpat

              It’s approved now. And a lot of people took and ran with it, and they now have a Jason Lee article too!

  • TexasBroad

    Excellent reporting Tony. This story is being reported on all over the place by all manner of media, but Singer gave this to you. Well deserved.

  • flyonthewall

    I see you lurking TMZ!

  • Sherbet

    Why is it scientology teaches its adherents that they can be in control of their entire environment and fate, yet at the first whiff of possible financial gain, “it” is always somebody else’s fault, whatever “it” happens to be at that moment? Rhetorical question. We know the answer.

  • LongtimeLurker

    In today’s trial Michael Avenatti will be played by actor Tom Cavanagh of The Flash and Scrubs.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12ed4bc52e43d087a74a088eab115951638f5d67fe1d83ed018a6caf18fe1e92.jpg

    • I’ve been watching that avi for five minutes now.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Mine? Is it doing something weird?

        Like…talking to you?

  • flyonthewall

    pagesix, put on some pants!!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Did anyone ever advise Cat to consult an immigration attorney? In six years, she should have been able to get this ironed out. Legally.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Poor little Cat.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        In So. California, you can’t drive more than a few blocks without seeing a sign for an immigration attorney. No joke.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Scientology give sound legal advice to anyone but David Miscavige? Surely you jest. 😀

      Sadly her auditor or ethics officer probably knew of her status and rather than pointing her in the legal direction, pointed her….nowhere apparently.

      • A little knowledge is a dangerous thing – and false knowledge is much worse.

    • sizzle8

      If she was on lines, guaranteed that she saw the Ethics Officer about this.
      She probably was directed to a Scientology attorney.

  • MarcabExpat

    Marty Singer’s being aware of your work is the very best thing that could happen to Jim Carrey, sir!
    http://admissions.winonastateu.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/anigif_enhanced-21323-1399485773-1.gif

  • nottrue
    • Ella Raitch

      Philboard!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        You know, my brain automatically read “billboard” as “Philboard.” I might need to hang out in other places occasionally. ; )

    • PRenaud

      Wonderbar….

  • Chee Chalker

    While I feel sorry for Cathriona, I understand why Jim Carrey, living in the state of California, might be hesitant to marry someone 20 years younger who was in an immigration quandary. IIRC California still observes marital property division of assets.
    Sure, they could have had a prenup, but it’s still expensive to get out of a marriage, even when you are prepared.

    • Eliza Doolittle

      That’s a horrible position for Jim to be put in. Of course he wouldn’t want to marry someone that soon and for that reason. And he’s always said he never wants to marry again as he doesn’t see it as necessary anymore.

      • It must also be terrible never to know if people like you, or what they think your money can do for them.

        I’m not suggesting that this was the case on this occasion… but you must always be thinking twice about everyone. There’s such a thing as too much money.

        • Eliza Doolittle

          Exactly. Forming relationships must be the hardest thing in the world because meeting new people is fraught with ‘do they really like *me*’ questions and to have a woman propose after a few months because of her visa is not the stuff that trust is built on.

          It’s such a shame that he’s forced to divulge all this personal stuff to the public because of those F**KING bastards. He’s such a private guy and it’s extra painful to have to spill personal stuff about Cathriona. 🙁

      • Chee Chalker

        My (and my husband’s I suppose) 20th anniversary was last week

        Mr. Carrey may be on to something

  • aquaclara

    Jim Carrey, good luck, and don’t let Scientology pull this bs over on you, ok? Feel free to call Tony if you want to add to anything your excellent attorney said.

  • Captain MustSavage

    I don’t believe Carrey sent the text message as a cover up. I’ve had an ex partner take prescription drugs that had the potential to be abused out of my home without my knowledge or consent for their personal use around the time of a break up. I didn’t realise for quite a while that the drugs were gone.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Right. And my first thought would be where did I misplace them.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Some folks use those pill trays where you fill the little compartments up to weeks in advance. In that case, someone could sneakily empty out your bottle of pills and you wouldn’t know about it until you went to refill the tray, days/weeks later.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Could also be “as needed” posology. If the patient doesn’t use the medication for a while, they’d never know it was gone. Also, I assume the rich can manage to have the medicine cabinets of all their homes stocked; it could be a while before they notice one cabinet was raided.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Yeah, good luck to the Burton team in making this stick. Too many variables.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      It’s probably been mentioned ad nauseam in this morning’s post, but the complaint’s implied nefarious reasons Carrey filled his prescriptions under a bogus name is disingenuous and obtuse, to put it most kindly. It’s common practice for celebrities to use a pseudonym for prescriptions as an added measure to protect confidentiality.

      • His lawyer is trying to bend some new anti-drug dealer law for unintended consequences. Not sure if serious, or if it’s just an attempt to throw enough scary threat to force a settlement.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          “…or if it’s just an attempt to throw enough scary threat to force a settlement.”

          Hopefully Carrey fights this obvious nuisance suit. This isn’t about an open container of tic-tac-looking drugs left on a counter where toddlers would be tempted to eat them. Cathriona was a sovereign grown woman of 30. And when someone is troubled with mental health issues, maybe determined to commit suicide, the random opportunity matters not a jot.

    • Observer

      A relative is currently going though that with a spouse

      • Captain MustSavage

        I think it’s more common than people realise. For a person who’s had their prescription drugs stolen from their home by a trusted person to be accused of supplying them is ludicrous.

  • Sherbet

    The Hollywood Reporter referred to our Proprietor as: “…noted Scientology chronicler Tony Ortega…”

    That makes me all smiley.

    • Jimmy3

      Fancy journalism nerd code for “expert”

      • Sherbet

        I like the “chronicler” thing.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I kicked a Martian in the chronicles one time.

          • Sherbet

            They don’t like that.

          • Rasha

            +47 for the reference. But, yeah, they’re pretty much Ballchinians….

          • If Martians really get difficult, threaten to defenestrate their gorice. They usually back down, then – especially if you have a a hyperspanner in your hand.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              They don’t like it up em.

            • Especially via higher dimensions.

          • Kestrel

            Well played on the reference.

            • LongtimeLurker

              ; )

        • MarcabExpat

          Yeah that’s a major promotion from “watcher.”

  • the effervescent mongoloid

    I would expect the church to tell Burton to back off. This lawsuit can only hurt scientology. I expect it to quietly disappear.

    • Assuming that most of the people on the CofS are rational actors, that’s certainly what you would expect. However, experience suggests that’s a big assumption to make.

      • I assume that someone at CoS had to give a go-ahead in the first place. Hubris and greed are hard to stop.

        • Especially when it exists in a delusional sub-culture where the people who gave the go-ahead are also perfectly prepared to deny they did, and let you carry the can.

      • Mockingbird

        No rational actors here.

      • Sibs

        I agree, after my last couple of years of observing $cientology, it only ever seems safe to assume that their motivations are just as (and usually more) insane and nefarious as they seem.

        • Three possibilities, then:

          1) They realise that their bluff has been called, and withdraw. A sensible thing to do.

          2) Carrey settles to make it all go away. That seems unlikely at this stage. If he gives in to this kind of blackmail, he might as well paint a target on his forehead.

          3) They go ahead, relying on their ability to ‘make it go right’. I think that may be that deluded and vengeful. In this case they are likely to lose, face some very awkward questions from the authorities, and be abandoned by the CofS.

          Alternatively, the IAS will step in and finance their defence.
          No… only kidding…

          • Mockingbird

            Option D (as in deluded cult members), they try to follow Hubbard’s doctrine and launch operation Dumb and Dumberer. They try to attack Jim Carrey and expect this guy to get no attention as he exposes their attempts to ruin him utterly. They use the same gameplan from the Unbreakable Miss Lovely AND Operation Snow White COMBINED to try to take out Jim Carrey and the US government simultaneously.

            It is as successful as the original Snow White and gets more attention than Watergate. David Miscavige gets dragged off to prison saying “I am not an SP, you CICS who SCOHB ! “

            • It does seem to be a distinct possibility that all those on the CofS side are loading for foot.

            • Mockingbird

              They follow Hubbard’s error prone path to total failure.

      • the effervescent mongoloid

        Five dollars says it goes away quietly but I’m not betting ten dollars.

        • I suppose the Lawyer also has an influence – will he be prepared to expose himself to any liability, should the case come unstuck in court, or is counting on his bluff to bring about a lucrative settlement before it comes to that?

          If so, he seems to be in a difficult position already.

      • Mockingbird

        Rational actors ? Are you enjoying the pink and grays !?

    • Rasha

      (DM on phone) BACK OFF??? BACK OFF??? …nnnnggggaaaarrrgghhh!!!!!! BWAHHHHHHHH!!!!!! ATTACK!!!! DESTROY THOSE CICS!!!! (takes a swig) (smacks lips) Mmmm-ahhhhhh…… GAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!! NNGGAARRRRRRRRGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/754dfddae1b7703be0b6ff97e1b6c71343aebc02b7dd8ad9dd368566dbdd60f9.jpg

      • the effervescent mongoloid

        What personal interest would DM have in this matter? He certainly doesn’t want to see more bad PR for the church in a court case like this.

        • Juicer77

          You’re assuming he has any rational perspective left on any of this. Anyone with calm reasoning powers would say what you have, but he’s not calm or reasoned.

  • Hmm, “Marty Singer” tagged on the article, even though it shouldn’t be a tag yet…

    ‘I was drowning’: Kelly Preston credits Scientology with moving on from son Jett’s death May 15, 2012, Daily Mail

    The Five Most Dream-Like Sequences in the John Travolta Sex-Assault Lawsuit (UPDATED) May 7, 2012, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice

    The Best Reasons Why You Should Doubt the Allegations in the John Travolta Sex-Assault Lawsuit (UPDATE: John Doe #1 DROPPED) May 11, 2012, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice

    It’s a funny old world!

  • Captain MustSavage

    OT: Apologies if this has been spoken about before…. Hollywood Reporter detailing new Leah Remini series on Scientology coming in 2017. The article mentions Tony and the Call Me billboard.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/leah-remini-scientology-series-set-931170

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Article in the Irish Mirror: http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jim-carey-accused-using-fake-8872380

    “These are simply wild and unbelievable allegations, this is more of a True Crime story than it is a civil law suit. Either they’re true and Mr Carrey is in a lot of trouble, or they’re untrue and the lawyer who filed the complaint may have to answer some questions.”

    “It would seem to me that no lawyer would advance a case like this without a good faith basis in believing the facts.

    “Some of the allegations aren’t made on personal knowledge, they’re preceded by ‘on information and belief’, which is a big distinction from stating it with knowledge.

    “It’s a watered-down version of saying it actually happened.

    “He doesn’t know that it happened, but he believes that it did.

    “The facts may or may not bear this out.”

    “These are just stunning allegations, if even a quarter of them are true they would subject Jim Carrey to criminal indictments.”

    • MarcabExpat

      I commented there with a link to today’s stories. The sooner the Irish pick up on the “rest of the story,” the better. Fingers crossed they’ll allow the link and maybe read it themselves.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    My personal opinion is that this Mark Burton is “Off the reservation.” in the sense that being a “Good little Scientologist” who sticks with the Scientology mindset is “On the reservation.”

    He comes from a family who were known for breaking laws on Scientology’s behalf.

    It is hard to see how this lawsuit could be anything but damaging to Scientology and the repute of Scientologists.

    First, it’s just a money-grubbing foul attempt to more-or-less extort money out of a celebrity. Corporate Scientology is much more capable of doing that on the down-low without such public exposure.

    Second it exposes yet again the history of his step-father, Duke Snider who went to prison for his crimes committed at the behest of Scientology’s founder and Scientology’s Guardian/Controller, Mary Sue Hubbard. Not something that would be an acceptable message to be sent by a Scientologist.

    Third, it draws attention, probably official INS attention, to the problem of many Scientologists from Canada and other countries being in the United States illegally. Many for years and decades, and many not under religious worker visas as staff members. For that alone I wouldn’t be surprised to see OSA on Mark Burton’s doorstep telling him to withdraw the lawsuit now now now now now.

    Give that most active Scientologists would know this as a delicate area, I would have to posit that Mark Burton has some desperate need for money (the bridge is expensive) or has gotten himself in financial trouble enough that he is willing to risk this longshot. Or that intelligence boost from Scientology is fading fast.

    If Mark’s lawsuit against Carrey was approved by Duke and perhaps other ex G.O. types, it reveals fractures in the Scientology code of “omerta” that has ex-operatives staying quiet for decades and discouraging any activity that would direct attention to them.

    More popcorn.

    • I have the feeling that a lot of the GO types at David Morse and Associates who were kicked out, weren’t kicked very far. It’s handy to have a “rogue” group for those jobs that need more deniability than usual.

    • FredEX2

      Well said.

      Burton’s attorney, Avenatti…should have considered every aspect and the potential ramifications of this case and advised his client accordingly. The possibilities for it to have backfired on Burton, and all the probing questions that would be asked that might expose his alleged marriage scam and immigration fraud…and the negative exposure of Scientology’s beliefs and practices should have been thought out and examined prior to filing a lawsuit…something that is quite serious.

      This whole situation isn’t just frivolous and born of greed…and smells of Fair Game tactics…it’s a big mistake by Burton and his attorney…….beyond all that…it’s truly terribly sad.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Agreed FredEx… And what compounds it all is that Burton comes from a family who’s worked for an insurance investigation firm who’s entire purpose is to investigate and avoid liability for its clients, which would include frivolous lawsuits designed to extract money quickly so you’d thing they’d realize, just by virtue of their work, how this could play out if Carrey didn’t immediately acquiesce to avoid the bad PR they were threatening to create, which was the only value this particular approach had. So now they’ve been caught with their pants down and seem to just be holding on tight for the ride vs going away quietly. Good for Jim Carrey and his reps for not handling this in that fashion! And that was likely another thing Cat lover about him – that he refused to fear what her cherch could or might do, therefore she felt protected. So it’s very easy to see how once that relationship appeared to be ending, she’d find herself in such a desperate place of hopelessness, feeling she was on her own again vs. this blight on society – CO$!

      • Sitkajo

        Also is it not illegal to marry falsely for immigration purposes? I am married to an immigrant and I remember having to document that our marriage was real by providing letters from friends attesting our relationship, photos of us together, utility bills with both our names on it etc. I understood at that time (10+ years ago) that not being able to prove our marriage was real, with documents like this, could result in federal charges. Using the postal service to mail fraudulent documents is a crime by itself. I am guessing that this Burton fellow may have some legal exposure here.

    • Noesis

      There is indeed much irony in this whole affair, especially since the actual reason (not the shore stories) for the existence of the Sea Org was the need for Hubbard to be at sea to avoid immigration, tax and criminal justice authorities from countries on several continents that wanted to have a little chat with him.

      Think about it.

      The man created his own fake navy so he could stay perpetually on the lam, while selling books, taped lectures, auditing and classes putatively teaching others how to free themselves spiritually by acting with “integrity.”

      And to bring it all together – he called his sham “getting ethics in on this planet and the universe.

      That is some serious treachery / hubris.

      • Chewkacca

        Someday soon DM will retire to the Fleecewinds, and the Fleecewinds will sail into international waters “to avoid immigration, tax and criminal justice authorities”, just like Hubbard. And when it goes into its first hurricane, to DAVEY Jones locker it will go. AAROOUGH, BLUB BLUB!

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        L Don of Hubris!!!

    • MarcabExpat

      MLT, obviously you know a world more about this than most of us do. I think us never-ins have all been assuming that he’s not only approved to file the suit, but was pressured to do so for the money (which they hope to get).

      And I think the reason we assume that is that it seems inconceivable to us that someone who is still in Scientology would go off the reservation in a case like this, if they still cared about their Bridge. At one point they seemed to be working hard to recruit Carrey, and as a celebrity, he would get special attention in terms of monitoring members’ interactions with him. He’s not just some random dumb public, he knows how they operate. They would surely understand the possible blowback from acting independently with regard to a targeted celebrity. It almost makes more sense to me that a crack regging team manipulated him into this over his stepdad’s objections. I mean, maybe nobody in that camp realized that there was a danger of his being called out on the alleged fraud.

      Obviously this is a flawed model for what’s really going on. Can you help us outsiders understand how, if he did this on his own, he expected not to get in trouble for it? And I don’t mean in legal trouble, I mean in Ethics trouble.

      • thetastic

        Ditto, from another never in. No matter how many books I read, some of the logic is just too convoluted for me.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        There is a case to be made that it slipped through OSA approval for some possible reasons:

        Carrey is not a Scientologist. Thus no prohibition on suing him, within the organization, so he might not have even thought to or tried to obtain approval.

        Institutional amnesia: Most Scientologists today don’t even know about the “Scientology 11” who were convicted and sent to jail. If they do they have bought the shore story that they were railroaded into it for “stealing copy paper.” So, possibly even OSA terminals might not make the connection to to Duke Snider of the “Snow White Project” and Mark Burton.

        Mark’s stepfather (depending on when Mark came into the picture) might not have even shared the details of Snow White or his time in jail. So Mark might not have known there were any landmines to avoid. For instance, I didn’t know until lately that my ex-wife was involved in the Snow White Project, and we were married for seven years.

        Non-OSA staff like registrars would not have details of any OSA/G.O. connection and might have had the bright idea to urge him into the lawsuit and if it didn’t occur to him he might not have told them.

        A stretch, but Carrey has been not a favorite by turning down recruitment and possibly taking potshots at Scn. So OSA might have decided to run an op on Carrey with the lawsuit to try to damage him in return.

        The fact of him being in a sham marriage-for-green-card might not have struck him as wrong. It’s usual for Scientologists to break laws when they feel they are just barriers to their success in Scientology. Unless he had had sec-checking on the issue, perhaps even his registrars did not know it was a sham. He might even have adjusted his reality to the point where he thought it was genuine.

        Basically though, I am going on the idea that OSA has been all over this from the moment She died, and he has been interviewed and they know exactly his connections and what he did and the marriage and everything.

        So to go out and do something that contains so many potential and actual negatives as regards Scientology argues deliberate or clueless action on his own. He has some pressure from somewhere and this is his solution.

        So as to ethics, he might have not realized it could be a problem, or if it was, the money would cure it. Or he is really out, and doesn’t give a f*ck what Scientology thinks anymore.

        • Bavarian Rage

          Man, any way you look at this thing, it’s so convoluted. No reason for his action is defensible…from any viewpoint.

          And what really eats my shorts? If you care so much for Cat as you’d have us believe, slimy Burton, why taint her memory by exposing the world to her sham marriage desperation? A loving husband (or even complicit friend) would have let her rest in peace. Now slither back under the rock from whence you came.

        • cdub

          Maybe the COS structure is crumbling.

          • Juicer77

            Taking into account all the Co$ mis-steps we’re seeing here and at Rindersblog, the inside tipsters are showing a very clear picture of a rapidly crumbling organizational structure. Faulty Hubbard “tech” + Demented Midget Micromanagement(TM) = a complete and hopeless mess. As Mismanage continues to weed out anyone with sense by declaring or RPF’ing them, the only ones he has to fall back on are the rabid fanatics who agree with everything he does and are unbalanced enough to come up with even worse ideas than his.

            • Graham

              Ironically, as Miscavige drives his cherch to destruction the only people he has left in management positions are the less able.

            • That’s my scenario for the endgame – organisational collapse. The CofS will still have the resources to do anything they please, but not the ability to deploy them.

              The CofS, and Scientology itself, has always been deliberately compartmentalised and operates on a need-to-know basis. We’re approaching a point where officers can’t give effective orders.and the soldiers don’t know enough about anything to carry them out.

              What’s more, everyone is now operating on the basis of delusional beliefs about a
              wider world which they have lost touch with. The fact that Miscavige seems to be totally unaware of the existential threat to Scientology posed by the collapse of recruitment demonstrates this, above all.

              It’s utterly astonishing that he is prepared to totally ignore this crisis as long as the ‘whales’ are providing money.

              I’ve predicted that, as the organisational ability of Scientology degrade, it will make major blunders. This could be the first example to do it serious damage. There are more to come.

              I think we need to stop looking for sensible motives and organisational behaviour, and consider the CofS as an entity whose control mechanisms are ‘thrashing’ as a prelude to complete failure.

            • Juicer77

              Do you think Mismanage is just raking in as much dough as he can before the collapse? That he doesn’t care about expansion or even maintenance at this point? Perhaps he is starting to feel his years and wants to retire somewhere with a retinue of faithful to keep him happy (impossible as that may be)? Sort of an LRH Bluebird scenario, only much grander.

            • well, the wholesale changes of staff at “Advanced Orgs” indicates a frantic level of effort. While it’s easy to dismiss as a useless gimmmick, it’s only possible with approval from Captain David “he is NOT insane!” MIscavige. Of course, it could simply fuel the appetite of 4’13” for Damnation Navy slaves who are Doing It Wrong and need “ethics” actions.

          • FredEX2

            It’s becoming irreparable and inevitable.

        • FredEX2

          All of the points you’ve brought up ring true. It could be any of these things…or all of them. It’s sad…and sick beyond all reason…that CoS & OSA seek to destroy people in any way possible. This crazy ‘lawsuit’ and the accusations, no matter how false…that are swirling around this situation are destroying some of Carrey’s reputation…and unfortunately causing doubt. Carrey is known to be a nice man…he did nothing wrong except love a woman who happened to be a Scientologist. If she was say…an Irish Catholic…I bet none of this would’ve happened. It’s the Scientology connection that factors in and the tactics…that reek of them. There is no ‘why’ for this lawsuit that makes any sense…except it is designed to destroy a good man’s reputation….and possibly all bc he refused to be recruited to Scientology and made a few jokes or criticisms about them.

          It is exactly because of these actions…by attacking and destroying the lives of others…that McSavage & his minions have really ‘pulled it in’…and in the end…will have destroyed Scientology themselves…from within. The ultimate SP of all time and space…is within the ranks of Scientology…and everyone around him is too ‘PTS’ and afraid to confront him.

        • MarcabExpat

          I really appreciate this writeup, Michael. I asked a specific question and you answered it very well, but beyond that, the whole mini-essay is a tutorial on the still-in mindset. It’s boggling to hear that you were married for 7 years and didn’t know your wife was on Snow White.

    • Meepthorp

      I would like to see a criminal investigation into Cat White’s death. It wouldn’t be the first time scientologists were directed to get someone to off themselves. Was Cat considered an “upstat” by scientology? or a “low-toned/liability/pts/degraded being”? The latter would have subjected her to be “disposed of quietly and without sorrow”, to quote LRonHubbbard. The previous report mentioned that Burton had a real thing for her. Wouldn’t that make him jealous/envious of her sticky love for Carey? Maybe it was Burton who actually influenced her to off herself? According to scientology technology, “the overt doth speak loudly”. Burton, imo, is way more of a suspect than Carey. If I were Carey, that’s what I would ask for. A criminal investigation might shed some light on who were the last people she was in contact with just before she killed herself.

  • Jenny Griffith

    Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

    Those charged with marriage fraud may also be charged with visa fraud, harboring an alien, conspiracy, or making false statements; each charge carries additional prison sentences and financial penalties.

    The extent to which these penalties are applied depends on the specifics of each case. The government tends to reserve the highest penalties for U.S. citizens or residents engaged in major conspiracy operations, such as systematically arranging fraudulent marriages.

    But that doesn’t mean that small-time participants in marriage fraud can count on a soft punishment. Ferreting out sham marriages is a top enforcement priority of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Even if the immigrants themselves are not prosecuted criminally, they will in all likelihood simply be deported (removed) and never allowed to return to the U.S.—not even if they later enter into a real marriage with a U.S. citizen.

    • flyonthewall

      is that like Bunker prison or real prison?

    • MarcabExpat

      I can tell you they really do mean business on sweetheart visas. I had to write a letter in support of one for some friends of mine one of whom is trying to move here from Canada, and not only did I have to document in detail why I believed them to be a real couple, I had to document myself as well. I was surprised at how serious a process it was.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      It’d be funny though if Burton’s lawsuit got him some unintended attention from the INS.

  • Anony-Lurker

    Excuse me if this has been posted earlier, regarding Jason Lee leaving the church.

    The comments are particularly good:

    https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/jason-lee-reveals-left-church-151800127.html

  • Mockingbird

    Uh, the nightmare around the horrible tragic passing of Cathriona White just steams ahead like a Venusian locomotive. Watch out. Hubbard himself couldn’t derail this one.

    Hopefully her family and friends can get some peace. Perhaps if that doesn’t occur Jim Carrey can be annoyed enough to focus all his fury against the Scientology cult and use every bit of his celebrity to shine the bright spotlight of mainstream media once again on Scientology.

    He will not have trouble finding thousands of disgruntled ex Scientologists and family members that have been disconnected from. He certainly has a lot of popularity as an actor. I don’t agree with everything he ever said, but you can be damned sure he brings strong passion to everything he does.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Has anyone said why Burton moved to McMinnville, a small town in Oregon? Is it possible that this was a Jason Lee/Denton, Texas kind of move. It is possible that he is not practicing $cientology and is just an greedy a-hole. Maybe he has been disconnected from the family money and needs the dough. Just throwing this out there…

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      That is just down the road from Delphi Academy. Maybe he works there.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Well, that would be juicy. Maybe he teaches film there? ACK!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Look who was at Delphi’s graduation, and was so proud to be there that he posed a video of it – Bob Duggan!

        https://youtu.be/Whlsw-TYlBw

        • God, it’s like he told his plastic surgeon, set my face to “Shiny Arnold Schwarzenegger.”

          • beauty for ashes

            Or make me look like an eagle mixed with a shitzu with an underbite. rar ahrr ahrr!

        • Rasha

          Is it… melting?

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Yes, I believe it is! LOL

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Hats off to these graduates. As if the high school years aren’t hard enough as it is, they somehow made it through those years to graduation while having to endure the additional burdens of Hubbard’s fatuous teachings, $cientology’s snitch culture, and likely pressure to continue their clam studies at the same time and maybe even join the Sea Org. Now that you’re of age, hope all you grads can fly free of this pernicious influence and set your own life courses. And whatever you do, don’t even THINK about joining the $cientology slave labor force–it will ruin your life and steal your future. As for the commencement address…BORING. Sorry, but it just didn’t feel inspired or heartfelt at all.

    • Ben Franklin

      I think he just moved back home. It looks like Burton was born in McMinnville, Oregon according to IMDB database. see: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4389194/

    • Juicer77

      It’s certainly possible, but all indications are that he is from a rabidly $ci family, which has not yet been torn apart by disconnection. Even if he came up with this stunt independently, you can believe the flies are gathering just from the smell…

  • sizzle8

    If the lawsuit proceeds, it would be interesting to see some of the people that were in the wedding photo (previous post) deposed.
    Several of the Helnwein’s are in that photo and that would cause a shitstorm.

  • Mockingbird

    Scientology cult members don’t worry about the mere laws of others. They know they are well beyond that.

    Here’s some Hubbard ideas that guide the cult today in legal matters.
    “Show me any person who is critical of us and I’ll show you crimes and intended crimes that would stand a magistrate’s hair on end.”
    – Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 4 April 1965
    “Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”
    – Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, “LRH Relationship to Orgs”
    “If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.”
    – Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs

  • burythenuts

    🙁
    That is all!

  • I mean no disrespect to Jim Carrey here – but it’s a shame that you have to have a ‘celebrity’ abused by Scientology before the mainstream press pays much attention.

    • Ben Franklin

      The main press loves scandal involving celebrities because it sells.

      ETA: This story is everywhere, even overseas.

      • Quite. A complex story doesn’t sell, especially if it’s difficult to investigate. The harm done, and the public interest, is a secondary consideration, now.

        • Ben Franklin

          Is it any wonder that the Daily Mail only seems to cover Scientology news if it involves Tom Cruise or when they can find a way to link Cruise to the Story?

      • LongtimeLurker

        They’re leaving out the good stuff in Australia for some reason.

  • Probably posted before 15 times already, but I don’t care.

    MSN announced Jason Lee is no longer a practicing Scientologist:
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/jason-lee-reveals-he-left-the-church-of-scientology/ar-BBwoSuz?li=BBnb7Kz

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Jeeze-o, peeze-o, Tony, I can’t keep up with you today! Have only skimmed the second post so far, and missed most of the commentary this afternoon. Gotta catch up. But why is part of me going: goddamn, Cat, did you really need to ask every other fool with a Social Security number to marry you?! C’mon, girl. What an odd wrinkle to this story…

  • Oh. This is is also on MSN as of 2 hours ago. Repost from THR.

    Leah Remini, A&E Team for Scientology Series (Exclusive)
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/leah-remini-aande-team-for-scientology-series-exclusive/ar-BBwpIHL?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

    Fuck you, entheta haters!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Go Leah! I like that she’s going to include other former scientology families, too. She’s good people.

      • iampissed

        I need to go have lunch in there

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Where?

    • Robert Eckert

      And it’s not the only such project in the works.

  • A Scientologist royally fucking a dead person’s memory just to get money so they can give it to the church? No way. Never.

    • Rasha

      IKR

    • beauty for ashes

      Nah Whaaay Mannn! 🙂

  • iampissed

    I’m a simple person
    So Cat loved Jim
    Jim cared for Cat
    Cats father was dying
    Jim by trade is a celebrity
    Nothing is going to work fast…it just isn’t
    Nor should it.
    Jim I feel you did/tried to do well by your lady
    The planets just did not align on this one

    I feel sad…but I think it was a you need to
    clean your house before it goes forward

    I really think Jim you did your best.

    My condolences

    • LongtimeLurker

      Jim by trade is an actor. The celebrity is a side effect.

      • iampissed

        Yes

    • Tim Hallinan

      Not to mention that California’s divorce laws are notorious for failing to distinguish between real, actual marriages and marriages of convenience and, of course, if it had come to that, Jim could not have made that argument without being in a whole new kind of trouble.

  • Frodis73

    Sigh, poor Cat. I feel that she really did love Jim too as many have mentioned. I am pretty sure he said he was never doing that again after his divorce. I hate that Cat’s family has to suffer through this all over again…I hope the media doesn’t show up at their front door. Burton-you are a total scumbag
    I love that Marty Singer reached out to TO with this exclusive!! It’s pretty bright out here on the fringes of the internet eh guys?

    • Robert Eckert

      Evidently some of the info Tony dredged up on the “husband” is going to be legally useful, so Singer paid back in the way that Tony values.

  • Mockingbird

    Here’s Ron Hubbard’s response to everything said at the Underground Bunker.

    Being Good
    “If the millions now handed to psychiatry and which buy only civil disorder and more insanity were given to church groups instead, the society would improve enormously.”

    We in Scientology are evidently expected to be paragons of virtue in a very messy world.
    Scientologists are evidently expected to control absolutely anyone in the movement or on its fringes.
    Meanwhile psychiatrists can advise adultery, sexually pervert their patients, cause thirty percent to commit suicide, maim or injure anyone who comes near them, beat up, murder and bury in the ground anyone they please. The conduct of psychiatry is so criminal that only blackmail or influence in high places could account for their strange immunity from ordinary criminal law.
    Amongst Scientologists investigations by the most competent agencies in the world have failed to find any broken laws or social misconduct.
    So what is this?
    It is unreasonable to expect anyone in the field of mental healing to be totally simon-pure,* yet the most sweeping investigations have revealed that Scientologists are just that.
    Slandered, lied about, unjustly accused by a pack of murderers—the psychiatric front groups—Scientology still survives and even makes headway.
    But what kind of world is this? What kind of governments do we really have where the criminal practices of psychiatry are financed and supported and the decent actions of Scientologists attacked?
    Beware of a state which neglects its criminals and only attacks its decent citizens.
    Scientologists will go on being decent, will go on doing their jobs and will go on being the only effective group in the field of mental healing. But it is a long way from just to make life so hard for them.
    It is an old truism that one gets what he pays for. If governments pay for psychiatry they will reap social chaos and crime.
    If the millions now handed to psychiatry and which buy only civil disorder and more insanity were given to church groups instead, the society would improve enormously.
    All facts, all figures, all statistics and all documents declare the incompetence and criminal conduct of psychiatry. They reek like a Roman arena.
    And all facts, all figures, all statistics, all documents and even the “evidence” of the state inquiries into Scientology support the character and integrity, helpfulness and value of Scientology.
    Evidence is evidence.
    Justice is justice.
    Isn’t there anyone in charge up there in the stratosphere of government?
    Or is it just a big muddle with only madmen at the top?
    LRH’s Signature
    Ron Hubbard

    • MarcabExpat

      Thanks immensely for posting this. Do you happen to have the full ref cite? I have somebody I want to forward it to.

    • dungeon master

      If you switch government or psychiatry with scientology, it makes perfect sense. A lie told often enough can be believed by some to be true. What are facts to LRH? Where are the facts to support these ‘truths’? They document a few cases of psychiatry gone awry and say all psychiatrists are evil. All drugs are evil and bad for you, except poisonous doses of Niacin and paying big money for the privilege of doing so.. Nicotine is more additictive than heroin, but do you see Scientologist putting out pamphlets on the dangers of smoking, do you? edit for typo

      • Mockingbird

        To me Hubbard used pathological lying with reversals of truth. He hurt and enslaved people and claimed perfect character while attributing his crimes to his enemies.

  • Mockingbird

    Here’s some empty promises by Ron Hubbard that seduce the hopeful and dupe them with Hubbard’s consistent gift: empty promises.

    No wonder his followers go for longshot get rich scams.

    “I have lived no cloistered life and hold in contempt the wise man who has not lived and the scholar who will not share.”

    “I have seen life from the top down and the bottom up.
    I know how it looks both ways. And I know there is wisdom and that there is hope.” Ron Hubbard

  • Tory’s REMINDER:

    “THE TOP 3 GOALS OF OSA ON THE NET

    The top 3 goals of the Top Secret OSA Int Internet gang I was part of in the 90’s,
    which no doubt are still being run on the Net:

    1) DISTRACT off of ANY “HOT” topic..especially if it’s re Hubbard, DM or the “church” ~secret~ activities,
    or just anything they do not want known. These are programmed distractions. Yaude used 10 different Net
    accounts to fool the critics. He told me: “Tory, I have been on ARS since day ONE”.

    2) DEGRADE any and all activists they do NOT want listened to, which most certainly includes “Divide and Conquer”. (Get the critics fighting among each other was a KEY goal, and keep them fighting among each other).

    3) “SLIME THE AREA SO NO ONE WANTS TO EVEN PUT THEIR NAME THERE”. (If you don’t think this is possible, go check out ARS: a wasteland).

    When you see huge distractions off of a *hot* topic, or big arguments that won’t sort out, or just endless
    junk….keep in mind 1, 2 and 3, please. All I can say is move along, and as our dear late friend, Ida Camburn would always tell me: “KEEP ON KEEPING ON”! My best, my love to you all!! Tory/Magoo.”

    Keep on keeping on.

    • Did Tory ever point out what pop-socket names she and her OSA friends was using at the time?

      • Ben Franklin

        If you look up Tory’s story on the internet you will likely find where she talks about the pop-socket names she was asked to set up, and the one she was using online. She might even have a video on her channel where she talks about her OSA spying days. I have seen those details somewhere, I just can’t remember where on top of my head right now.

        • Yeah but “Yaude used 10 different Net accounts to fool the critics” – What “names” ?

        • dungeon master

          I think it was on OCMB (Operation Clambake. – xenu.net) or ESMB (ex-scientology message board), might also have been on Steve Hall’s site or Arnie Lerma’s.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Was there a troll?

      I miss everything.

      • Sherbet

        I missed it, too. No worries. There will be other nights, other trolls.

        • LongtimeLurker

          We’ll always have Paris.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        We thought it was a troll, but it turns out it was just a really fat wombat.

    • The problem i have with this, is that it does exactly what it says – Making people paranoid and start a fight amongst people accusing every one of being OSA. I had dug up some very “Informative” trooling stuff, some time ago, and posted it on my blog, but never promoted it, as when i read that, i could point out dozens of bunker people, to use those trolling tactics.. So i go by my gut feelings and not by guidelines like this! They are simply to vague or generalizing.

    • Jimmy3

      NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY FUN IF YOU HAVE FUN YOU HAVE FUN BEING OSA OSA OSA

    • Jimmy3

      TBH tho it’s a bit ridiculous to give OSA credit for the lack of people on ARS. It’s like saying the local pervert is the reason your town’s video store closed.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i know what a pervert is …but what is a ” video store ” ?

        • Jimmy3

          Archaeologists will be able to tell us in a few centuries. Unless OSA destroys archaeology.

  • Mary Smith

    I think it is ironic that Carrey played the lead in the Truman Show.

  • Justmeteehee

    Another of the “worlds most ethical” trying to cash out n off a tragedy, sick and sad.

  • noseinabk

    Thanks to all who have contributed to finding the truth about this situation.
    I’m sure I am not the only one getting upvotes or comments on old story’s today so thanks to the bunkerites who help make this place respectable for all the new visitors by keeping J3 and fly out of the admitting area.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f5b5a91a5e17b9b33540a582fd5ef14f07909d8a1f4cc0b94e907f07b15ea3c.jpg

  • Kay

    Geez I feel sorry for Jim Carrey….this story is EVERYWHERE and the versions I’ve seen so far make him look like a bad person at worst, or an irresponsible/insensitive one at best. No one so far has done their homework, or at least visited this site apparently. Poor guy, that’s a lot of pressure.

    • Eliza Doolittle

      🙁

  • meeracat (wogsy)

    My heart goes out to Cat’s parents 🙁

    • Mymy88

      –OFF TOPIC– Wogsyyyy! How you doin? Please email me if you don’t mind, thanks.

      • meerameezer (wogsy)

        Hey there! I’m well ;). What’s your email again? I was off the grid for a few months.

        • Mymy88

          Do you still have the same email as the last time we talked? I still have that one.

        • Mymy88

          …. deleted by me

          • meerameezer (wogsy)

            got it…I’m busy with a professional certification I’m working on, so if you don’t here from me for a few weeks, I will touch base after my test which is on Oct. 12th. I’m glad you are well. Talk to you soon. 🙂

            • Mymy88

              Oooo sounds amazing! I can’t wait to hear more. Congrats! Go get’em girl!

  • Ella Raitch

    Louis is in Perth (you’ll get beaten up wearing sunnies like that, mate!)

    Oops forgot picture:
    https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/09/20/louistheroux-619-386.jpg

  • What’sup

    I just saw a comment from Angry Gay Pope on the last thread.

    He must of run out of clams to sexually harass.

    • noseinabk
      • What’sup

        Did you see the comment? Have you seen the shit he talks about our proprietor over at OCB?

        Dudes a joke.

        • noseinabk

          Yes I did see it. So many who protest and speak up about cos expect people to follow them exclusively and when attention drifts they can’t handle it. What those people fail to realize is that TO is a journalist who reports facts and is free to post his interpretation or not. I’m disgusted by the attention seeking done by some of them. AGP did a service by providing vids of some things we may have not known otherwise. Doesn’t mean I agree with his tactics and am baffled as to why he felt the need to become anti ASC. 😑
          Added: fu failed auto correct! !!!

          • Captain MustSavage

            There is no ASC.

        • aquaclara

          OCB? Besides being an anagram of COB, wth?

          • Baby
          • flyonthewall

            operation clam bake

            • aquaclara

              Bopping myself upside the head. Forgot this. Thanks!

          • What’sup

            Operation Clam Bake or Xenu.net. It was where Tory ( magoo) read enough to want to blow and was helped by it’s proprietor Andreas.

            • aquaclara

              Oh, sheesh. How could I forget that? Thanks!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Why did I just do a drive-by there?

              WHY?!

              Holy crap, AGP can drop the fact that he’s a ‘professional’ animator into any conversation.

              Crippling self-worth issues must suck.

          • LongtimeLurker

            It’s OCMB. At Xenu.

            Edit – didn’t scroll far enough to see already answered. Everyone ignore me.

            • aquaclara

              Thanks. I forgot.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Too much acronyms.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I saw that too, was about to respond to him…

      …then thought nah, I reckon he’s doing worse things to himself than I could in a comment.

      Notice how he left it late in the day? Balls. Not.

      Hi AGP. You lose.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Where is it?

      • What’sup

        If you sort by best it’ll be the very last comment.

        • Ella Raitch

          ISWYDT

        • Captain MustSavage

          Thanks

        • LongtimeLurker

          Lol.

    • Hard to be estranged when he wasn’t ranged in the first place.

      • ot: I just tested vnc on a Rasperry Pi using a tablet. That is weird but it works if one needs a cheap monitor screen and control.

        • Having it loaded at all, even if not using it, seems to mess up Minecraft.

          • What! No Minecraft… Can’t live like that… I use the VNC found on Ras Pi home site as server and RealVNC viewer on Linux or Android (Both free versions) Properly installed on the Ras Pi, it works like a charm, even on reboot, and no need for all those cables, just power and network. Next i need the Ras Pi 3 and lose the Network cable!

      • Ben Franklin

        I think when the media found out that they were going to get divorced they just assumed he was her estranged husband. It don’t think many media outlets are even aware of the circumstances of her marriage to Mark Burton.

  • To take away the confusion and fright about what we shall never speak of again, and completely OT, here’s page 1 of my oldest shoop I could find (inspired by disappointment after finally finding the LP version of Jethro Tull’s Thick As A Brick—the sleeve, not the music). If we can all behave like ladies and gentlemen in future, I may post some further pages from it. (Regress to 2005): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8966389f1e46a06087925496127cb2076bed9c80a5b29da135e4dfa2870c254.jpg

    • Baby

      EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

      • Wait until you read about the giant spider invasion on page 3…

        • Baby

          Spiders don’t bother me Mark.. only the R word..Huge phobia

        • Juicer77

          Oh, no… I’ve been thru that once before!! 😉

    • Juicer77

      ROFL

  • Ella Raitch

    Up to the chapter in Steve’s book about Murdoch and his history with Scientology (as an newspaperman). Love this prescient article title from 1961 “Bunkumology – cult of experts at smear tactics”

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    Lotta ‘ckin Aussies on here right now. Comparatively speaking.

    We must be 20% of total Bunker mass.

    • What’sup
      • LongtimeLurker
        • What’sup

          Our proprietor is a fan of ‘strayin music.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Huh. I did not know that.

            • What’sup

              Especially Mental as Anything

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m honestly surprised their stuff ‘travels’ well (is that the phrase I want there?).

            • Ella Raitch

              Here’s one for all the drinkers out there (and Obs, who is a Coutndown fan)
              https://youtu.be/DnG1vqVlPGE

        • Ella Raitch

          So many good Australian songs about beer and other categories of alcohol
          https://youtu.be/rbAxfDA6XD4

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Yeah, the Best 20%. 😛

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s Steve Cannane Week here at the Bunker! Struth!

      • Ben Franklin

        I believe that It was for a while and then lawsuit came along out of nowhere like a lightening bolt.

        • LongtimeLurker

          A wild lawsuit appears!

    • Ella Raitch

      p.s. Global time zones do have a little bit to do with the relative density at this time of day

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yes. I think my perception was skewed because even for this time there was a sudden flurry of comments by you, ‘sup and me within a few minutes.

        It’s 4pm here and it’s almost as dark as sunset out. There’s a storm coming.

        Edit – wash that window Lurker, you slob.

        F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5f486533a4e2c5a789f7fc492f3626ac7ad76edc54d96b22fea01d240f6cc9b.jpg

        • LongtimeLurker

          Sorry all, that photo is huge. Stoopid iPad.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Kinda looks like Russia in this picture.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I framed out identifying stuff at the bottom, which is where all the nice things are. Also there’s construction going on across the road.

              It’s more pleasant than that makes it look.

              Not that there’s anything wrong with Russia!

              You’re up late.

        • Juicer77

          I love a cracking storm (provided no one gets hurt).

      • Juicer77

        I bet your pardon, my density is stable no matter what time of day it is. I’m dense all the time!

  • Newiga

    Poor Cat. :((

  • Ben Franklin

    It came to my attention that some fellow gave a lecture on a blog about what he called Anti-Scientology Cult. When I went to the blog I saw a man calling himself ‘Scientology Warrior.’ It would be difficult to imagine more inflated airs of self-absorbed arrogance than this fellow manages to put on; nor a mind as infected with hive-mentality.

    • LongtimeLurker

      It’s been almost 2 weeks for me, and I hope I can resist after this, but just one more time…

      “… I saw a man calling himself Chris Shelton ‘critical thinker at large.’…”

      No. You didn’t, Marty (or whatever your name is).

      Chris Shelton really is Chris Shelton. You need to move the “calling himself” to after his name and just before the ‘critical’.

      You sound like an illiterate who got a New Yorker subscription for Christmas.

      Also, you need to move your head out of your ass.

      But you probably fooled at least Alanzo or The Oracle into believing you don’t know who Chris is, so good job there.

      ” … broadcasted profundities… ”

      ‘Broadcasted’ is technically correct (iirc, but you’re not worth going to Google for) but ‘broadcast’ is equally correct and less clunky.

      In your efforts to sound erudite you keep footbulleting in the classic Scientology mode. It’s embarrassing. On the other hand it is the only hint of humor anywhere in your writing, so maybe keep it up?
      .
      .
      I wrote a lot more, but unlike you I care about my friends and readers and decided it was boring and self-indulgent, so I deleted it.

      Maybe you should try writing about actual Scientology or about taking your dog for a walk or anything else at all instead of tilting at windmills (windmills who couldn’t care less about you)?

      You’re very bad at what you’ve been doing recently and you should stop it.

      It’s also probably incredibly toxic for you psychologically. But then you’ve often given the impression of not really caring about any negative psychological impact you’ve had, so I’ve probably wasted my breath there.

      Edit – sorry all, still really long. Use minus sign at top right to collapse. Not you, though ‘Marty’.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Mutty Wrathburn and his petting zoo all-stars are a real piece of work. Earlier this morning I was catching up on the latest “Oracle responds to Oracle” commentary there and noted that one of the new handles had complained about his posts being censored by Mutty. Michael Hobson, indie $cilon extraordinaire, chided the newcomer for being such a wuss and complaining about the sort of treatment that he also receives, but is man enough to just keep his mouth shut about.

        I couldn’t help but respond to “No-lube” Michael to let him know why censoring respectful free speech on your blog is not only not right, but also just plain self-defeating. For those of you who are interested, I’m posting those comments here. Mutty has censored quite a few other poster’s remarks, in addition to mine, and seems intent on maintaining only a small coterie of hyper-verbal circle jerk contributors who don’t seem to notice (or care) that they’re the last few remaining petting zoo animals left on Mutty’s farm…tragic, but truly hilarious at the same time 😉

        ********************************************************************************************************

        Michael, censorship of civil input from would-be contributors that questions or is at odds with the individual controlling the discussion IS a big deal. Let me see if I explain why in a succinct manner.

        Marty’s blog belongs to him and he has every right to do with it as he sees fit, just as any other blog creator does. It’s his platform to say what he likes and to let those he wishes add their voice to the conversation.

        However, I’m like Sing and quite a few others that I’ve spoken to recently who’ve all had their posts here censored by Marty. I can’t speak for others, but I’ve done my very best to remain polite and refrain from ad hominem personal attacks, while explaining as carefully as I could exactly what my positions were and, where they were counter to others who’d expressed their own opinions, to engage with each of them in a mutually respectful manner.

        However, in the midst of an engaged and mutually respectful conversation with Alanzo, Marty jumped in and began deleting my responses to him and dismissed my contributions as “trolling,” which could be quite self-evidently be proved false, if my response there had been allowed to see the light of day. I asked Marty to either reinstate it or just send it to Alanzo privately and allow him to come to his own conclusions concerning it. That post was deleted as well, and since then many more of my posts have faced the same fate.

        By this point in time, I’ve fully gotten the “you’re not wanted here” message. So, rather than get all butt hurt and terminally aggrieved, I’ll just pick up my marbles and leave the arena in search of a more fairly moderated forum, where respectfully stated views are allowed to find their own place of value in the minds of those who believe in free speech and informed, civil dissent.

        To my mind, only those who are afraid and/or have some sort of hidden agenda operate in such a manner. After all, what self-respecting individual is going to continue to be part of “petting zoo” in which only the opinions of those who march in lock step with the proprietor are allowed. Of course, in the age of the internet, censoring others free speech is always only partially successful anyhow because folks like me will just hit “copy,” then re-tweet their censored post somewhere else…or a LOT of somewhere elses 😉

        Indeed, why even have a blog if you can’t stand to face questions and dissenting views? Marty’s craven cowardice in doing so just undermines whatever credibility he might have at a more fundamental level than whatever he’s currently discussing with his “choir”.

        So, Michael, rather than verbally abuse others for not manning up and just taking it like all the rest, why not wake up to the fact that the only reason that you and the few others who post on this blog are being allowed to free range in this petting zoo is because you never question the party line? I’ve got no respect for that and neither should you!

  • Ella Raitch

    Posted by CommunicatorIC at ESMB

    Steve Cannane interview on ABC Radio National Breakfast programme

    This is the breakfast radio of politicians and policy makers, coming straight after the most significant half hour of radio news every day (the ABC’s ‘AM’ programme – this sets the scene for the most talked about events in the daily news cycle)

    This is focussed on the Murdoch/Packer connections but goes onto the tales of RPF punishment in Sydney (picking up on the ‘penal colony’ tag Steve uses in the book)

    AUDIO: Startling new claims about the secretive activities of the Church of Scientology in Australia

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/startling-new-claims-about-the-secretive-scientology-church/7864020

    Startling new claims about the secretive activities of the Church of Scientology in Australia

    Listen: https://radio.abc.net.au/search?service_guid=RN-bst-20160921-7864020

    Wednesday 21 September 2016 8:18AM (view full episode)

    There are startling new claims about the secretive activities of the Church of Scientology in Australia, including that the group held a decades-long grudge against Rupert Murdoch for the role he and his newspapers played in having the organisation banned in the 1960s.

    ‘Fair Game; the incredible untold story of Scientology in Australia’, by journalist Steve Cannane, also claims the Church sought to use Tom Cruise’s recruitment of James Packer to get to his good friend, Lachlan Murdoch.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Great find. THANKS!

    • Interestingly Perfect!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      There’s some real comic irony in the fact that Rupert Murdoch, who runs one of the most informally scientologically sociopathic news organizations in the world, was a key player in getting $cn banned in Australia. Perhaps that fact had more to do with Murdoch correctly recognizing Elron as the same kind of sociopathic shark as he was and not wanting to see him compete in the same fishing waters.

  • Vault Digger

    OT: Tony’s Int Base Drone Flyover story picked up by the Daily Mail in the UK (with hat tips to Tony) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799484/Incredible-drone-footage-shows-Church-Scientology-s-massive-secretive-Gold-Base-headquarters.html

    • Graham

      “The Church of Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard liked the Bonnie View home” They’ve completely missed the fact that this house has been created for Hubbard to inhabit when he returns from outer space. How could they have missed that juicy detail?

      I’m wondering if the wider distribution of these images is in fact a good thing? Any naïve observer who doesn’t know the back-story (Or any Scientologist who isn’t allowed to know the back story) will probably be looking at these and thinking the church must indeed be a vast international organisation if they have a headquarters as lavish and extensive as this.

    • Ben Franklin

      Hey, what can I say. I called it that the DailyMail will likely cover the drone story as soon as they are able to link the story to Tom Cruise somehow, and sure enough they are describing one of the theaters at Int base as Tom Cruise’s private Theater.

      • Juicer77

        “Full size theater” made me ROFL. He only needs the children’s size seats! XD

        • Or a special Xenu-themed booster cushion, to match his lunchbox.

  • Dave Reams

    Jezebel: Leah Remini’s Scientology TV Series Lands at A&E, Set to Premiere in 2017. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw4pGx7jE

    • Juicer77

      Love this comment: “Exactly. This is a cult, based on a pyramid scheme, wrapped up in a tax avoidance strategy, created by a B-list Sci-Fi writer. If so many people hadn’t been hurt by it, it would actually be hilarious.”

  • Dave Reams

    How could Scientology be so stupid to shoot themselves in the foot like this? They are the Donald Trump of Spear ritual tech know low gee

    Jezebel: Friends Say Jim Carrey’s Late Girlfriend Married a Scientologist as Part of an Immigration Scam. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwvKye7jE

    • LongtimeLurker

      It’s been theorised downthread by an ex that Burton’s probably off the reservation.

      But still, Scientology almost certainly interfered with an emotionally disturbed person seeking science-supported professional help that might have saved her life, imho.

      • That’s a good argument… but if, by some miracle, they were paid out, Scientology would be there with it’s hand out, trying to get it all.

        It hardly matters if there is a formal connection. The litigant’s actions are motivated by Scientology’s obsession with getting money by any means necessary. Even if it’s not involved, it’s still responsible for what is happening.

        My theory is that they initially didn’t think the Scientology connection would emerge. Now it has done, they still know that they always disown another ‘bad apple’ should the effort go badly wrong.

        I think they are willing to take the chance because they really need to send money ‘uplines’. Simple desperation.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I couldn’t remember if I knew Dave Reams or not (sorry Dave), so I went in easy.

          But I agree with everything you just said. Can you imagine the swarm of crush-regging staff and sudden ‘friend’ visits to handle Burton if he gets ANY money at all?

          In fact the judgemental Lurker might go further and say not only is Scientology responsible for what’s happening in the ways you point out, but imho it almost certainly contributed to his family (his father being convicted Scientology spy Duke Snider for those drowning in all the characters) raising him in a way that convinces him all his shithouse life choices are okay.

          That’s what judgemental Lurker might say.

          Scientology is one of those rare times you can pretty much constantly say “well they might not have been directly involved, but X would probably never have happened if they didn’t exist” and odds are you’ll be right.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Yep, it’s like the mafia: as long as you’re an earner and not causing the bosses any trouble, then you’re golden. $cn, the most ethical organization on the planet, cares not at all where the cash that you’re turning over to their predatory reges is coming from.

          However, if there’s a flap then, just like the mafia, the cut-out takes the fall. It’s like DM took a “Become a Made Man in 90 days or less” mail order course for all the very close parallels between the way he runs the cherch and organized crime!

          • I sometimes wonder if Hubbard’s cowardice was part of the secret of Scientology’s unusual longevity.

            If he had less of a wimp, he might have solved some problems in more… direct way, attracted the attention of the US authorities concerned with that kind of thing. Scientology would have ended soon after he pushed his luck a little too far.

            Instead, Scientology (occidentally) stayed just under the threshold, in a world were there are always worse people to be taken down. Eventually he went into hiding and let wife take the fall for him rather confront the consequences of his actions (she kept her mouth shut and was looked after . very mafia-like).

            In the Scientology mafia, the boss of bosses was a coward, and nobody noticed.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              It’s an interesting thought to ponder! Using Elron’s own measure stick here: Much of his life after the early collapse of Dianetics was spent either on the lam or hiding out from creditors, process servers, law enforcement, disowned family members and a whole host of other things. His approach to both the wog world and, more secretively, to the $cn world was one that ranged from covert hostility to anger, but rarely got any higher, unless he was experiencing some drug or alcohol related release.

              His acute paranoia caused him to take foolish and obviously self-destructive risks, like setting up a domestic spy ring, which caused him the actual trouble that he’d delusionally imagined. A classic case of his own overt/motivator sequence gone wild 😉

              “In the Scientology mafia, the boss of bosses was a coward, and nobody noticed.”

              That is, until now! At this point in time, so many qualified and respected journalists, authors and film makers have delved deeply into the documented facts of his life to assemble an accurate history that, regardless of the lies that the cherch puts forward to samitize his life, the record is now very clear for all those who are interested enough to look for themselves.

            • And, of course, there are the ‘Affirmations’ which reveal him to be (among other things) very insecure about the business of fighting.

              You are not a coward. Fist fighting had no bearing on your courage.You were ill when you were fought before. You did not understand the rules. You can whip anyone now and have no physical fear of hand to hand fighting. They who fought you before were knaves and fools. You would be merciless to them now. Nothing can stand up to your fighting now. You are strong and wonderful in combat. You never know fear or defeat. You refrain from fighting because you are too powerful.

              That’s not typically something your average mafiosi worries about.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Too bad Elron didn’t live to see that classic Seinfeld episode in which Kramer’s increased self-esteem and manly prowess gets attributed to his success in his new martial arts hobby…that is, until they find out that the class that he’s been “dominating” is made up of all grade school kids 😉

              The very best thing that could have happened way back when, while the Apollo was way out at sea and Elron got to whining like a little bitch, would have been to overboard his useless ass and sail on into the sunset 😉

              Missed opportunities are indeed what life’s regrets are all about!

            • I used to help with the kids at JuJitsu club. It wouldn’t have worked there. I started late in life, and some of those ‘kids’ sparred rings around me.

              What astonishes me is the level of social control that insured that didn’t happen, insured nobody hit Miscavige back – and apparently still does.

              You would have though, the way they are treated, someone would have simply lost their temper and lashed out.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Indeed, by all reports, he seemed to continue to escalate the violence and level of humiliation that he visited upon folks almost as if it were n experiment to see just how far he could go.

              I guess it takes a certain breed of individual to just sit there and take, instead of either leaving or sticking a fork in his eye. It’s truly one of the most horrendous examples of very long term serious abuse committed by a cult leader that I have ever heard about.

              It’s so extreme and sociopathic that I find it hard to imagine that the whales and celebs who keep the whole thing afloat didn’t feel compelled to find out for themselves whether or not the multiple credible allegations and direct, first-person corroborations were accurate. Those are serious crimes and any CEO or upper management person in any business that had committed those kinds of atrocities would have been not only fired, but criminally charged as well.

              I’m totally outraged at the lack of outrage on the parts of those who are financing this little tin pot tyrant and everyone else inside the bubble who had knowledge yet did noting, or worse still, lied to protect him.

  • ReallyMGM

    Thanks TO for covering this a story and other media sources for finding it. I couldn’t believe my ears this afternoon when the spouse mentioned the Cat story out of the blue. I can’t remember any celebrity gossip that has ever interested him enough to actually have read about it ((unless it involved someone involved in motorsports). Wherever he heard it, it made Carrey sound awful. After reading here he had a better grasp of the entire story, not just the bits and pieces reported by some of the entertainment media
    **I know reporters outside the blogosphere are restricted by word count (or what ever today’s term is for column inches), but they are STILL responsible for being thorough and correct.**

    ETA: And poor Cat. She is yet another sad victim, and her story is lost in this mess now. RIP

    OT: Is there a Discus for the Bunker FF league? I found a family member who is enthusiastically helping me now (son-in-law). He helped me fix my screw ups tonight and explained some of the terms.

    • Juicer77

      There is a league “smack talk” board you can use. Click on the Scoreboard tab (just above your team roster, about 1/3 way down the page) and click on Week 3 for the most current. 🙂

      • ReallyMGM

        Thx! I’m not much for “smack talk” but knew we didn’t want to fill space on the Bunker with it. I’ve always wanted to play FF (my daughter was an avid player in college).

  • pilgrim

    Interesting choice of alias for Carrey.
    Arthur King -> King Arthur -> Excalibur

    Interesting twitter from Carrey considering what he said after her death, “She was a truly kind and delicate Irish flower…”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65da3079dda88b673053bf160132856a3d5df883fd8ae060d095b3a9e5729b80.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      There’s a f***ing guy who wrote awesome shit that I love studying who could probably answer Jim’s question.
      F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0cf555dca82b0e75187d704e0a0101a72b50ee6c5be7f16140b023e364b0cd0.jpg

      • Kim O’Brien

        the dog next door woke me up . i was angry so i checked in here. Saw pilgrim post ..more angry . saw your post …happy now .

        i missed you greatly

        • LongtimeLurker

          Gimme a kiss doll.

          Stoopid dog.

          U got warm milk? Or scotch?

          • Kim O’Brien

            i have never drank a glass of milk in my life ( grosses me out ) no scotch . I will listen to a ricky gervais podcast and go back to sleep …for like an hour ( ugh )

            see ya in a few LOL ( snuggle )

            • LongtimeLurker

              I hate milk too.

              You sleep now. Hug.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Test

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Or… how about: Arthur King—>A. King—>aching? (After all, Jim Carrey is a comedian, [even if it is a bad pun,] and it does kinda do away with the pointless conspiracy theorising… )[ETA]

      • stanrogers

        Or he could like hanging about with silly English kuh-niggets, and wouldn’t mind being taunted a second time.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          🙂 loving the Monty Python ref (need more upvotes)

  • ze moo

    Tony nails the Cat’s problem. She was stuck with mostly $cieno friends who were conditioned to saying that more $cientology was the only ‘cure’ for her problems. Previous stories have stated that Cat was stuck on one of the heavy brainwashing clam ‘levels’ and was unhappy with that situation. Between $cienoland and a possible deportation, no wonder Cat was depressed. Add in the normal stresses of life and a busted love relationship and you’d be depressed too.

    Nice that Carrey’s lawyer has seen the Bunker stories. They will provide an excellent defense and offense against Burton.

    • MarcabExpat

      She was on SRD and miserable.

      I really can’t help believing that if she hadn’t gotten into Scientology she’d be alive today. I mean, depression is a powerful beast and she might have succumbed anyway, but once she was cut off from real treatment and locked into bogus, harmful treatment, her doom was sealed.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        DM’s squirrelled version of the SRD seems designed to fleece the sheeple by over runing them on objective processes so badly that they end up in review and have to pay more for their little detour on the Bridge to Total Financial Ruination and Other-determinism…and if you get pissed at the abuse, that just ends up costing you even more 😉

        One of the truly dangerous things about $cn, and especially the DM-approved squirrel version of it, is that a small subset of folks with serious underlying predispositions to mental disorders, such as depression, can be de-stabilized and spun in by processes like these, where the endless repetition of objective drills to the point of huge overrun places folks in a trance from which their anticipation of their future freedom from that useless nonsense can’t carry them through any longer.

        Who knows what all factors combined to cause this beautiful young person to tragically take her own life, but one thing’s for sure, doing objective processes for months on end and getting stuck on the SRD had to have contributed to her bleak mental state there.

        A fair number of others who’ve exited the cult have also noted how crazy it made them to solo audit for years on the OaTy levels, where imagining that you were communicating with hordes of space aliens stuck to you would surely unnerve the best of us. This is very clearly a psychopathogenic practice whose EP is the same dissociative disorder that Elron suffered from through much of his life. It’s a wonderment that more folks don’t go Type 3 while suffering through long years of telepathic exorcism of imagined entities.

        • ThetaBara

          The “DM approved squirrel version” isn’t really worse than the original. Just saying.

  • Eliza Doolittle

    Is it worth sending his stuff to other publications/journos direct or would Tony already have done that?
    Also, is it possible to send PMs on here? I’d like to PM Tony if possible.

    Edit: Below *points* Crazy troll from another site.. *block*

    • NurseRatched

      Stop advertising your ignorance!

    • MarcabExpat

      I don’t think Disqus has PMs but he openly posts his email at the top of the page. (on the left) I’ve had correspondence with him at that address so that is a valid way to get hold of him.

      • Eliza Doolittle

        Thank-you!

    • Qbird

      Lousy TROLL = Nurse is not a ‘troll’ per se, but is rather merely a ‘flamer’ — which is a bad troll, uninspired, simply not clever… no artistry.
      best to ignore completely.

      • MarcabExpat

        Blocking is best because then you don’t even have to bother to ignore!

    • LongtimeLurker

      First question – I dunno, sorry. Try it?

      Second – I email him. I keep the subject line short and obvious (eg – Today’s Cathriona Post. Possible typo?) and then my Bunker name in brackets.

      His email is; tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com (obviously delete the spaces and change the AT and DOT to @ and . )

      Hope that helps.

      Edit – aaaand didn’t scroll down again to see this was already answered. Sorry all.

      • Eliza Doolittle

        Thank-you! 🙂

  • Eliza Doolittle

    At the top of Jim’s IMDB page, there’s a short summary of an article from People dated last night but when you click to full article, it just goes to their home page?

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000120/news?ref_=nm_nwr_1#ni60280330

    • LongtimeLurker

      Eliza, I’m just passing through, but did you know there’s a new post up?

      Everyone’s over there.

      • Eliza Doolittle

        I didn’t! Haha.. It’s like being back at school 😉
        Thank-you..see you there!

  • RK

    I wonder if a Scientology staff member was advising her to resolve her immigration status by breaking the law, so she could stay on services in the U.S – that there was that pressure to find a husband and not leave before that. Why otherwise would she not go to her father’s side at the end of his life?

  • Jonathan Cummings

    People will do the most disgusting things to make a buck. I hope the lawsuit goes nowhere. This is just a sad story all around.

  • Fink Jonas

    Having personal issues and involved in Scientology is a bad recipe, where Scientology will urge you to drop your personal interest and follow theirs, I can see how a perso can be made to feel like you can’t win, Scientology is bad news stay away.

  • Paul Joseph Barresi

    Cat’s suicide note directed all of Mark Burton’s belongings be given to a lawyer named Filippo Marchino. The portion of the suicide note is labelled “Property of Mark Burton” with Filippo’s stating “Protection of Property Filippo Marchino and tel. number which is no longer in service. I found Marchino’s contact number and learned he put Burton on to the lawyer suing Carrey on Burton’s behalf. Make no mistake, Marchino has his hand in the pot. Cat could just as easily have left a note to Burton himself. Why did she leave his belongings to the lawyer? The answer is obvious. So the lawyer would put the ball in motion to sue Carrey. It’s so obvious its pathetic.